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Speaker 2: That's good?

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? It's esoteric? Jyllen hall leywood Tonight, perfect title.

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I came up with. I think I got my Sotoshi shirt.

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Speaker 2: I got Nicholas Cage.

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Speaker 1: She's got She's my National Treasure.

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Speaker 2: This is the first present I think you ever gave me.

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Speaker 1: I gave her a National Treasure shirt. And we're going

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to start with the worst of the movies and work

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our way up to the best of the movies. And

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we're only going to be covering a few of them.

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I couldn't find our Velvet buzz Saw notes, but Jamie

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does want to mention some of the interesting elements that

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she noticed in Velvet Buzzsaw, which, if you're not seeing,

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which stars Jake Jillen Hall again in we will not

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be covering Broke Back Mountain. I know a lot of y'all.

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I know a lot of y'all squid boys in the

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chat are going to be sad about that. But I

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don't know what a squid boy is, but it just

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sounded like some kind of gay thing. I don't know. Oh,

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he's into squid boy.

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Speaker 2: I can't quit you.

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Speaker 1: I've thankfully never seen any of it, so.

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Speaker 2: You're lucky.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, we're only covering esoteric jill and Hall and I

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decided that Prince of Persia wasn't really very esoteric, so

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Speaker 2: I want to watch that still.

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Speaker 1: Also, wouldn't that be whitewashing?

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Speaker 2: Nowadays speak epics like Alexander the Great? Who did that one?

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Speaker 1: Prince of Persia is not an epic. It's a video

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game and it's like a cgi thing. Have you not

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seen it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Did you ever play the game? No, it's a fun

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video game. But no, Jake Gillenhall is not a Persian prince.

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Speaker 2: But also he's a squid boy. There's squid boys in

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this movie. I know.

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Speaker 1: That's probably why I said that. I was thinking of

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this horrible movie Life, which is the worst of our

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esoteric gillen Halls. And this is space is faking gay

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and evolution all in one thing. And also, let's rip

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off a Ridley Scott alien for the thousandth time.

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Speaker 2: Space is hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we watched an excellent X Files the newer

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season season ten from twenty sixteen, and I hate the

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storyline of baby William, which is the dumbest thing ever.

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they're shooting rockets and he.

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Speaker 2: Goes space is hard?

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Speaker 1: Even what does that mean? We got to kick out

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Speaker 2: Part alien so he should be good at Jamie.

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Speaker 1: Had a good point if he's part alien DNA because

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he got that coop vaccine right.

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Speaker 2: He's a retargeted alien anyway, All right, life, baby Williams

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in space, and there's even a squid boy. Look, can

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I show like him?

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Speaker 1: Jamie drew him for you guys. So if you didn't

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Speaker 2: Squid boy, you're not even showing it right here? Where

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is it not on the side like that?

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Speaker 1: They can't say none of that.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Squid boys and squeechers are my favorite.

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Speaker 1: That's any creature in a movie that takes over your mind.

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Speaker 2: Like that movie Slither, and they're like e and they

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really make sense because they don't seem to

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Speaker 2: That one where he was reaching on the fan like Public.

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the other fake crap then goes wrong right, and the

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systems are down.

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Speaker 1: One piece of CGI hits another piece of CGI, and

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the CGI space station station goes down.

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Speaker 1: There's no difference between the sci fi and the stories.

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a bunch of sci fi stories.

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Speaker 2: So well, so this ISS is like globalism.

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Speaker 1: You in space always. This was in twenty ten, Arthur

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the Sun, and they're born of the Alliance of all

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and then we go out and colonize space and it's

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like seminal seed colonizing the space, fake the space civilization.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's in that Millennium book. Not Jaquattle's Millennium, but

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the Millennium Book from nineteen eighty two with all of

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elite texts because it mentioned essential and non essential workers. Yeah,

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to have space intimacy, which is so ridiculous. Right, Like

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Jack Parsons, thank you. We can't we can't forget space

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being fake and gray without an actual ritual gay magician

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being you know, being involved in the creation of space.

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Speaker 1: They're supposed to be fallic devices going into literally that's

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that's the way Crowley and Parsons viewed it.

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Speaker 2: They're piercing the it's and also it's like the corns

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of the goat the life of Levice.

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be to storm heaven, yes, and take it back.

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Speaker 2: And remember that one rocket that was so super phallic

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Speaker 1: It was Jeff bezos ship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like South Park. It was.

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Speaker 1: Peepees in space. It's so stupid, though, It's.

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Speaker 2: Not like all our money and tax dollars go to

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this crazy st Well, no, that's your Amazon dollars.

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Speaker 1: That's not your tax dollars.

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Speaker 1: There's Bezos' penis ship. Oh yeah, yeah, Jeff Bezos is

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peepe rocket. There it is. The whole Internet was laughing

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we got we got Ryan Reynolds, Rebecca Ferguson and uh

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without any cool xenomorphs. It's not very good. It's terrible.

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Speaker 2: He's the hero, oh okay, but it has this undertone

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about pilgrims and clamouth rock and all that. Remember, like,

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is this about white people invading Native Americans? And they

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Speaker 1: The alien is what the news. The alien is the

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real colonizer, Yeah, because he's going to colonize that.

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Speaker 2: If they find the living cells in the space dirt, right,

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old gods being from out beyond the stellar you know,

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luminaries and all that.

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Speaker 1: I said, they're going to give him beat us because

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they try to feed this thing. They find. This is

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a little octopus thing. They start feeding. It looks like

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a sea horse and then it turns into like a

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big like a just a crappy version of a face

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hugger from Alien. That's all it is.

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Speaker 2: They they name it Calvin after Calvin Coolidge. Who are

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Speaker 1: I don't know why? Of them, so the black guy,

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black science man names him that. I don't know why,

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going to colonize space. But it's the alien that in

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Speaker 2: Us, and space alien colonizes you exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: And Ryan Reynolds dies within like the first twenty minutes,

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Speaker 2: To the end because I actually liked the end.

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Speaker 2: A fun space romp.

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Speaker 1: But it's just another alien. It's just like they took

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So but Jake, poor spaceman, his muscles of

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atrophyeed and he's radioactive because he's been in space too long?

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Speaker 1: That kind of character can only find solace in sacrificing

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good intentions, right, because it doesn't end with it being

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have references to the Finger of God,

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Speaker 2: No, he's handicapped, and he thinks squeecher is the key

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to unlocking DNA human like paralyzing.

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Speaker 2: With a tip, just the tip of a finger.

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Speaker 1: Who directed it? Good question? It was not it's not

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a very memorable movie. Most people haven't forgotten this movie.

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Let's see life. What else is going on in the movie.

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Speaker 2: The black guy wants to keep it, and then someone

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which is a good spy movie with Ryan Reynolds and

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aware of it, there's a lot of intentional skittle stuff

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going on in that the things are supposed to be like,

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you know, basically it's basically great. That's what he's face.

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Speaker 2: Grape he wanted to convey.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So the xenomorphs are basically the ultimate. They look

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like BDSM things, they're all they look like leather and

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they basically grape.

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned and.

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Speaker 1: I think Dan O'Bannon, Yeah, that's why Geeger did the art,

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which is all intentionally luciferian. And Dan O'Bannon or somebody

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that did the story even said that he wanted it

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to be some kind of like Hama erotic thing. But

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thank you for that super chat there you want to

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read the first super chat right.

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Speaker 2: Here, Alula five dollars.

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Speaker 1: And then the official leader of Iron, the Iatola Commanian.

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Speaker 2: Why come Billy Carson looking like the Blackjack Parsons, Jay,

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when are you going to answer me? Debt?

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Speaker 1: Billy Corson could be the black Jack Parson by the way,

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that all rhyme so like I don't have to rap

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about that. I mean, he seems to have the gnostic worldviews,

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So is there anything else in life? This movie basically sucks.

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Speaker 2: The ending, so spoiler alert if you don't want to

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wash it. So, what's that name? Rebecca Ferguson. You think

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she's gonna make it to Earth as the survivor and

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j Gillenhall's going to blast into space with the squeecher

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scene and he sacrificed himself, and yeah, he supposedly sacrifices himself,

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so everyone's like, whew, Okay, that was a relief. And

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then the very last scene is that she went the

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wrong way and he landed on Earth with a squeezer

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and they opened it up, and.

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Speaker 1: Jake was trying to tell everybody, no, don't open it up,

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but the Asian fisherman could not understand his jill and speak.

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Speaker 2: So now they're gonna be comes something.

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Speaker 1: Now the Yeah, basically everyone, everybody in Asia will be

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squidified and then it will spread like the bat flew

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to America, right exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not that that's the worst of ours, but it

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did have enough of an esoteric philosophy. Darwin fake and

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gray space stuff to put it into esoteric jo. Now

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let's move on to an excellent film, and this is

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I think the first America. I think it's the first

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Hollywood production. By I'm just gonna start calling him Dennis

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villain Ueva to actually just anger everyone, because the nerds

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will never let you pronounce his name the way it

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actually looks, because it's a hispanic Ish Spanish name. But

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he's French Canadian, which makes no sense. So why are

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we pronouncing Spanish words and names in French? Dennis Villanueva properly?

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Denis you? You mean Dennis villain aweiba?

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Speaker 2: You say it so nice though, did even.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not a pretentious.

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Speaker 2: You don't say croissant or croissant we're from.

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Speaker 1: If you look, if you're from Tennessee or Kentucky, you

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say Versales.

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Speaker 2: I know it doesn't They don't say versas.

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Speaker 1: They say ver Sales because there is a town called

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ver Sales, Kentucky. This is me Well, I have to

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give a caveat a little uh disclaimer. So some of

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you who are a long time Jason Alysis peeps, you

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may remember that I did a live stream on this

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movie back when it came out, and I have to

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admit sometimes I get it wrong. This is one of

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those times where I got it completely wrong, and I'm

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not ashamed to say I got it wrong.

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Speaker 2: You have to pay close attention because you even I

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even had to put number one Jillen Hall is the

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teacher Jillen Hall, and number two Jillan Hall is the

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actor Jillen Hall. So you're following two different Gillen Halls.

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Speaker 1: What is exactly what is a plural Jillen Hall, Donnie Doppelgan, Right, Yeah,

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so Jillen. I can't. I can't think of anything. I

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don't think of something clever. I can't. Okay, I'm just playing.

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Speaker 2: Jill and Highs. Anyway, it's about order and chaos, and

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it's also got eyes wide shot like stuff in it.

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That's part of what makes him mentally unstable.

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Speaker 1: Well, what makes this a great movie is the misdirection.

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There's all of these themes that are very grand. You know,

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you've got tyrants and Hagel and Marx and tyranny and

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fascism and all this political stuff that comes up. You've

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got the underground sex parties that are going on. You've

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got the Hollywood element with the cool guy Jillen Hall

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who's contrasted to the nerdy spurgy history teacher Jillen Hall,

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and all of that is an excellent exercise in deflection

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because and I was wrong about this because when I

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watched the movie, I only watched it once and did

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a livestream on it. I thought, Wow, this is some

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kind of vast global conspiracy and we see this giant

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spider and the giant spider invasion is like an allegory

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for the hive mind and tyranny and all that. And

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really it's a dissociation story of two different gillen Halls,

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and a Gillen Hall who's trying to cope with the

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fact that he is cheating, and so it's he's dealing

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with guilt and it's all it's all grappling with the

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guilt in his mind. Yeah, and I didn't realize that

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until I went and watched a bunch of other people

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doing analyses. And this is one of those rare occasions

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where I misanalyzed the movie.

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Speaker 2: So this starts off with weird like spider crushing sex club.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you see this chick wearing a spider mask and

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a bunch of dudes are fapp in it, I guess

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you could say, and you're like, what in the heck

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is going on? And you see Jake there and he's

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like sort of puts his hands in and he's got

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this weird spider looking face. Right, But what we are

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realizing is that from his vantage point, we're starting to

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notice that he sees women as spiders, as predators, you

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know what I'm saying. So that's a big key because

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the woman wears the spider mask. She pops up later

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on in the movie, by the way, when he confronts

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his double who the woman has the spider mask. Woman

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appears at a hotel later when he first confronts the

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other Jake Jillenhall. But do you are you? You see

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like you don't remember what's.

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Speaker 2: Who's his girlfriend as the history teacher.

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Speaker 1: She's the blonde girl in Now you see Me, the

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French inspector and now you see me?

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Speaker 2: Right okay?

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Speaker 1: And but what we're figuring out as the story progresses

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is that all those elements that he's talking about, like

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tyrants and hagel.

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Speaker 2: He's lecturing about dictatorships.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the dictatorship is the dictatorship of guilt. His

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conscience and the way he sees the women who've been

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running his life. Oh and his mom too, and his

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mom correct because it begins with a phone call from

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his mom.

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Speaker 2: And okay, so this is like patterns repeating themselves throughout

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history he talks about, right, and well.

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Speaker 1: The pattern that's repeating it's his pattern of cheating and

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the guilt and the problems that his cheating calls.

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Speaker 2: There's his girlfriend, the French okay, as the teacher.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is his persona as a spurgey loner professor.

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Speaker 2: Is she his a fair partner? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so she's the girl that he had an affair with,

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the pregnant girl is his? He's the actor, yes, right, So.

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Speaker 2: His core personality is the actor, and he's making up

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the history teacher to deal with his conscience. Okay, that

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makes sense. And because he talks about where there's a will,

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there's a way in like nietzschee. And the song is

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called the Cheater, do you remember that? Yep?

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Speaker 1: The song is playing when he's in the DVD store here,

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and this is where he runs into somebody who says,

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how you should go check out this movie because you

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look just like the guy in the movie, and then

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he finds out that he is in the movie or

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his double is in the movie, and it's all done

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and does it very well. I mean, this is an

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amazingly filmed movie because the whole time you're watching it,

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you're trying to solve a puzzle that is kind of

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in your face. It's kind of obvious what's going on

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that the actor is the guy who's who's cheating. Very

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adapt yeah, but I's he shot it with this yellowish filter.

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It's very bleak, and so the whole thing is very dystopian,

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which makes you think that you're watching an end of

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the world apocalypse dystopia movie. But it's like the ultimate

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psychological thriller slow Burn. And I liked it a lot

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better the second third time I watched it, because then

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I finally understood what was going on. But it's got

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to be a good I mean, we're pretty good movie detectives.

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I think we're basically the best movie detectives out there.

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I mean, we don't get everything. We're ninety five ninety

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eight percent right on our movie detective skills. And so

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if there's a movie out there that fools me with

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misdirection and clues, and symbols then I appreciated and Enemy

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was definitely one of those, and I think it it

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proved that Villain, you, Dennis Villain Neeva was gonna be,

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you know, a rising star in terms of director. Obviously

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he had made those Canadian films that were very famous

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in deep films, in Cindy's and whatever the other one is.

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But then he does Enemy, and then this leads to

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obviously the other big productions. Everybody I'm sure has seen

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Dune and Dune too now, but of course he did

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Later Runner twenty forty nine. So in my opinion, he's

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kind of like surpassing Nolan. I mean, I think Nolan

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made great movies. You know, Inception was a great movie.

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I think the Dark Batman trilogy is pretty good. You

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can criticize elements of it, obviously, but Prestige is great.

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All of these up, by the way, will be in

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esoterically with three, which I was working on yesterday and today,

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and also Donnie Darko will be in there, which we'll

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be reviewing. Because when I wrote Donnie Darko Analysis back

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in the day, it was about about ten years ago.

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Even then I was kind of not really picking. I

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got the basics, right, But there's elements of Donny Darko

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that I didn't get correct that we will analyze here

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in a second that will be in esoterically with three.

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But anyway, what do you think about enemy And did

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you figure out what was going on or did it

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mislead you?

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Speaker 2: I don't not really. It wasn't until we were watching

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all the different things that were like, oh, that makes

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sense because their characters merge and he's like losing it yep,

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as a giant spider is taking over the city and

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they're swapping girlfriends supposedly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they get this like dead ringers swap thing that

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they're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: And the wife turns into a giant spider. So I

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guess that's a clue about the women and like controlling

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in his mom and what is mother Spider Ontario Canada?

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Speaker 1: Well, in Canada they have that actual giant spider.

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Speaker 2: Oh, like a sculpture.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the one that told me where it was.

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So this makes sense that villain Villanueva would do this

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because he has seen that that thing. And so this

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sculpture that you see here is what appears at one

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scene in the movie. Very briefly. Now, it's not real,

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but it's symbolizing what's going on in his mind. And

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if you look at the poster, the poster gives it away.

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Speaker 2: Duh, right, yeah, yeah, and oh, I guess because it's

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all in his head. M hmm.

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Speaker 1: See look at the poster, see the spider walking. Yes,

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it's in Jillenhall's head. So all of this is happening

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in his head. Right, And so as usual, the poster

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oftentimes gives away, right, or the title the poster and

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the title of the movie oftimes can give things away.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what else is going on?

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Speaker 2: See, he's his own enemy because even when things are

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worked out and like the movie has kind of ended

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on you know, not like necessarily a super positive note,

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but it's like things are resolved, he's then he sees

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her as a spider again, and he gets the key

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to the underground sex club where he knows he shouldn't go,

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and he makes you kind of see on his face like, well,

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I'm going to go again. So it's like this never

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ending cycle where he you know, the pattern of repeating

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itself is his chief.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so all of that philosophy lecturing about history

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repeating is his own history, repeating that's the point.

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Speaker 2: You can actually went through all this, like his psyche

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split and he had to go through like a mental breakdown,

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and his loved ones are like worried and all of this.

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Like there's accidents, remember like him and the other girl

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00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:28,000
got in a car accident, and yeah, he almost gets

470
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,559
away with like starting a new but he can't do it.

471
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, he falls back into the same pattern because he's

472
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,440
he can't get out of it. That's the point. So

473
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,200
he's his own he's his own enemy. Is the point.

474
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,240
The enemy is in his mind. It's and it's him.

475
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:47,759
It's not out there, and there was. It's funny because

476
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:50,440
there was another movie that came out right at the

477
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,200
same time, very similar to this, which you've not seen.

478
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:58,960
I've seen it with Jesse Eisenberg and Mia mia Wakowski,

479
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,039
which is The Double and it had the exact same theme,

480
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,759
which is odd because I'm like, what why is a

481
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:10,839
movie coming out at the same time about the same theme.

482
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,640
And in that one, he has to confront the cool

483
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:20,480
version of himself with because the cool guy is going

484
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,680
to get the girl right. It's a good movie, and

485
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,440
supposedly I think there's somebody this is based on a

486
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,359
Dostoievsky story.

487
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: Remember when Steve Erkle would become Stefan.

488
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: No, but that sounds like exactly what it is.

489
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:33,359
Speaker 2: He made a machine, like he was a nerd, and

490
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,640
he made a machine to make.

491
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: Him make him cool.

492
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: Okay, he came out and all the girls would go

493
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,400
and then he liked Max.

494
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,519
Speaker 1: Well, now I got to see what he what he said.

495
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,119
But this is actually a pretty good movie. Here the

496
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,200
double and I don't somebody said it's based on a

497
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,480
dusk If Dostievsky story. I didn't know that, but that

498
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:54,160
would be interesting to see which one it is. But basically,

499
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,000
he's a nerdy guy in a dystopian world. He likes

500
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:04,400
me a Wakowska at work, but he's too nerdy for her,

501
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,839
and his double steps in and like starts winning her over.

502
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,160
He's a cool guy and it's a very weird, bizarre,

503
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:17,079
artsy type of dystopian movie. I liked it, but a

504
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:20,480
lot of the same themes as Jill and Hall's enemy

505
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,920
villain news. And by the way, yes I forgot somebody

506
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,119
said in the chat, yes he did. Sacario, which is

507
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,599
also an excellent film where the CIA is working together

508
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:36,880
with certain cartels to traffic drugs with Beniccio and Emily Blunt.

509
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,839
What are you smilling it?

510
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,839
Speaker 2: Somebody said Stefan Erkel.

511
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,559
Speaker 1: Well, I guess is that what it is?

512
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: Steve Erkle becomes Stefan Erkel.

513
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,119
Speaker 1: I never watched Erkele, so I don't. I mean, I

514
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:51,599
know who he.

515
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,799
Speaker 2: Is, obviously, but yeah, there he is as a cool guy.

516
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,839
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is erk stuff on.

517
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:07,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, there he goes.

518
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: He looks like Arsenio Hall basically. All right. So when

519
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,799
I hear to do Esthotech, although that would be fun,

520
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,759
you did do it. You just did an Esotech Ergle analysis.

521
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,480
What's up next?

522
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:28,079
Speaker 2: Is that it for night Crawler?

523
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: This is an amazing movie. Wow, I liked it better

524
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:35,400
the second time I did. Now, if you guys remember

525
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:38,960
I did a analysis of this ten years ago, so

526
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:44,240
we're straight up ten year anniversary and I did the

527
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,680
original analysis with Sean Helton of twenty first Century Wire.

528
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,240
I think it's still on my channel. It should be.

529
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,680
It's ten years it's just an audio from back in

530
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,680
the day. But this is a great movie, and so

531
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,079
was Enemy. This is as good as Enemy. It's a

532
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:07,640
different type of movie. It's a very dark, bleak, psychological

533
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:12,920
thriller about jobs that probably don't really exist anymore. Stringers.

534
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:17,319
This is dudes that would pre camera. This is when

535
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:23,359
people actually paid money for filming of a live news

536
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:27,319
of it. So this is before everybody having a straight

537
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,240
up smartphone.

538
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:30,799
Speaker 2: I think of all of these, this is the most

539
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:32,119
interesting character.

540
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,079
Speaker 1: Yes, he's very spurgy.

541
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:42,119
Speaker 2: He thinks of everything in transactions and negotiations, so he

542
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,200
has like really no emotional attachment to a lot of things,

543
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,920
which makes him a perfect like weird paparazzi guy because

544
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,640
he gets right in there in the gore and it

545
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,759
doesn't affect him. But he's you can see throughout the

546
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:57,880
course of the movie he crosses the line into like

547
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,200
sociopath type.

548
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: Well, he gets more and more psychopathic. Yeah, because at

549
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,079
maybe sociopaths a bet is he charming? He's kind of

550
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:09,680
charming those he might be a psychopath.

551
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: Well, he gets right.

552
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: But what's funny is that every like you said, he's

553
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,000
sort of like the ultimate mega capitalist and he really

554
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:23,519
I'm serious. Yeah, he realizes that you know, everybody in

555
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,079
the society where he's at. He's in la in twenty fourteen,

556
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:28,480
and everybody's got fancy shit and he doesn't have it.

557
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,519
He lives in like a crappy apartment. He sees a

558
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,640
security guard with a fancy watch a Rolex or something,

559
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:38,759
and he basically just walks up to him and punches

560
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,200
him and takes the watch. Right, So he's like, has

561
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:44,680
no fear. So's he's an interesting character who has absolutely

562
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,759
no fear at all. Never in the entire film does

563
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:49,920
he show any fear, and he even has some weird

564
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:53,799
he has like catch phrases that you would see in

565
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:58,000
like an advertisement, Like he's like the embodiment of advertising

566
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,279
and you know, can't let your fears control you.

567
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: He didn't even have a fear of rejection. It's just like, oh,

568
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,960
you don't like me, well how about if I give

569
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,279
you this?

570
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: And then we like ha yeah, It's like it's the deal, right,

571
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:13,239
Everything is the art of the deal. So he goes

572
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,639
to this guy and he's like, look, I stole a

573
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,119
bunch of metal pipes. Can I sell it to you?

574
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,480
And the guy's like yeah, buy your your your stolen

575
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:25,079
metal or whatever, right, and then he's like, how about

576
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:27,320
a job. And then he starts haggling with this guy

577
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,320
over a job and he has but he has no leverage,

578
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,199
so then he realizes, Okay, I gotta go get more leverage.

579
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,440
And then he happens upon an accident and he sees

580
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,559
Bill Paxton as a stringer, and he's out there and

581
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,760
he's like, eh, buddy, but to sew this does he say?

582
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,119
He's like, well, sell this for a cool gram. And

583
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,719
then he's like, ah, so I can be I can

584
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:58,480
feed my psychotic desires by being the first at an

585
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,920
accident scene or a crime scene, filming it and then

586
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:06,760
selling it to the news organizations. Right, And so here's

587
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:11,800
he's learning from Bill here. And then they become total enemies,

588
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:17,559
right because everything is strict social Darwinian competition. So he

589
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:22,639
sees him as his new rival. Bill Paxstam just laughs

590
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:23,920
at him and makes fun of him all the time,

591
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:31,519
which just feeds the seething for Jillenhall. Right, and what

592
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,559
I like about the movie is that the character from

593
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:40,079
the very beginning is psychotic because he, you know, punches

594
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:42,320
the guard to get the rolex.

595
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,159
Speaker 2: Well, and he's very like delusional about what he's already accomplished.

596
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:49,119
Like when he tries to get a employee, he's like,

597
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:52,280
you have He's an opportunity to get in this.

598
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:55,159
Speaker 1: Ground, right, But he's just he's faking it, and he

599
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,440
makes it because he really he thinks he realizes that's

600
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,559
how all the society works. And what's interesting is that

601
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:03,480
every character that you meet in the story, except for

602
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:06,440
maybe the police, who have a very minor role, they

603
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:11,039
all operate like him. He's just the most viprous. So

604
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:17,400
he outwits Bill and basically grows his news stringer business

605
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:24,039
to equal Bill Paxson. Bill Paxon offers him a job

606
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,239
to work with him, and he's like, I don't need you.

607
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,639
I'm gonna I'm gonna be the best in the business

608
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:36,920
very soon. And Bill Paxxston underestimates the psychopathy of jill

609
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,800
and Hall because Jillen Hall goes and cuts his brakes

610
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,519
so that he wrecks and breaks his neck. Right, it's

611
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:48,199
like the most ruthless cutthroat. He's basically a spurg version

612
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,639
of Patrick Bateman, is what we said when we were

613
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:51,119
watching it.

614
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,079
Speaker 2: Well, he's delusional like Michael Scott.

615
00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: He's Michael Scott with Patrick Bateman, and he.

616
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: Doesn't believe in fear, so he's drawn to media as

617
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:06,400
like this narcissist.

618
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: It's the total narcissistic. Yeah, way to feed your ego.

619
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:14,559
And then it's it's the it's the industry where you

620
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,960
can rise by feeding your ego, even more so than maybe,

621
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,920
I don't know, Hollywood or something. So news media is

622
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,920
that because it's, you know, whatever's the most sensational, whatever's

623
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,719
the most glory or whatever. So he starts listening to

624
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,880
police scanners. He's on every crime scene, every wreck, he's

625
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,280
right there at the beginning, and he's he's like, like

626
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,000
you said, he finds this idiot guy who he ropes

627
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,239
into working for basically nothing, this homeless guy. He gets

628
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,320
the homes gut to do whatever he wants, and he's

629
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,360
always promising him a raise and all this stuff, but

630
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,559
he's never gonna give it right.

631
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: Oh, and he gets worse, like the haggling. If you

632
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,000
do not bargain with him, he'll be like, well, how

633
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,320
about if I just kill you in not so many.

634
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like it's basically he will

635
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,280
keep offering you the deal, and if you don't take it,

636
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,960
he will destroy you. Yeah. And the other thing that's

637
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,440
interesting is that you keep thinking at some point and

638
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,119
he gets more and more reckless. So in a lot

639
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,159
of ways. If you watch the analysis we did last

640
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,719
night with Beslet Analyzer, we were talking about how fearless

641
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,480
and reckless Warren Batty's character is in paralex View, and

642
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:29,000
this is exactly Jillenhall's character, except the case of Warren Beatty,

643
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,159
he comes to a tragic end. But what's amazing in

644
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,360
this one is that Jillen Hall never gets in trouble,

645
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,119
and in fact, it gets crazier and crazier. It builds

646
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,559
in an excellent way up until this gigantic, insane car

647
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,800
chase scene that he well, yeah, ultimately he's orchestrated it

648
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:52,679
because he's led the criminals to be at the spot

649
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,559
where he knows the cops will be, and it ends

650
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,559
in this giant car chase which he and he never

651
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,119
shows any fear of stuff society, even to the point

652
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:05,679
of getting rid of his idiot employee guy uh and

653
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,320
thedio employee guys like he was.

654
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: Just another actor in his yes play.

655
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: And Jillen Hall realizes this when he comes to the

656
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,800
very first crime scene and you see him here staging

657
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,880
the crime scene, so he gets there even before the police,

658
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,719
and he's he's moving the body to make the scene

659
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:31,679
like he's a director more right, efficacious, more sensational. The

660
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:38,480
deal that's the most famous Trump book. I'm just saying

661
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:43,199
he's the ultimate capitalist because in every interaction he sees

662
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,519
it as a business deal, even to the point of

663
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:50,000
when he wants to sleep with Renee Russo, he says, uh.

664
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:54,559
He first approaches her and he's like he's he's basically

665
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:57,920
bargaining and haggling, like with what leverage he has to

666
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,440
get her to go on a date. And she's like,

667
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,679
I'm not interested. And he's like, well, what if I

668
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,719
do this and this and this and then bring you

669
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,280
this footage and you just go to me, go to

670
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,679
dinner with me? And she's like all right whatever. And

671
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,400
then like as his company grows and as he gets

672
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,519
more and more psychotic, you keep thinking he's going to fail,

673
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:18,719
but he actually succeeds it every single thing he does.

674
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,679
That's the crazy part.

675
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because of his psychopath ways he gets her in

676
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,880
the end because she's psycho too.

677
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:27,079
Speaker 1: Well, what we find out is that, yeah, he's perfect

678
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:29,880
for media because kind of like I don't know, maybe

679
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,360
the Nicole Kidman character and to die for. Yeah, right,

680
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,920
Renee Russo is just this sort of psychotic she gets

681
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,960
off on the ratings and the violence, and this is

682
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,760
socialism as much as he does.

683
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 2: And that the channel it's channel six and then like

684
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,599
on the Tower they show it several times a sixty six.

685
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:54,519
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, so yeah, there could be this sort of

686
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:59,199
satanic symbolism there in the numbers. Yeah, because I mean,

687
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,159
if you think about leves philosophy, right, LaVey's philosophy is

688
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,880
pure social Darwinism, right, I mean that's exactly what Jillen

689
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,519
Hall is here, right, And.

690
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: The TV is a satanic altar reason, Yes, exactly.

691
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: You want to read that super chat. We've got a

692
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,320
couple more here, Storm.

693
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 2: The Cat, Storm the Cat. Did you know that Nagasaki

694
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,960
and Hiroshima are on the thirty third degree latitude and

695
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:28,639
so is the test site in New Mexico. Also, Harry

696
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:31,320
Truman became a thirty third degree for Mason shortly after this,

697
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:35,039
and also Dallas, Texas, where JFK died on a thirty

698
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:36,400
third degree latitude.

699
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Paul Fisher's book, Who's a Catholic Dude on Masonry

700
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,000
talks about the Truman stuff in Nagasaki, and then Michael

701
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:50,079
Hoffman's books talk about the latitude and all that for

702
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:51,880
Trinity site and all that. You want to read that

703
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,639
one I.

704
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,559
Speaker 2: Had Toola KAMENI three dollars In Nightcrawler, Jillen Hall kind

705
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,000
of looks like Richard Ramirez a little bit. Yeah.

706
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,079
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's a good point. Yeah, he has this kind

707
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:04,519
of like longer flip hair going on.

708
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that soccer night Crawler.

709
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: Great point. Yeah, so there probably is a subtle Richard

710
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,800
Ramirez reference here, because Ramirez definitely liked the spotlight, right.

711
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,320
He loved when all the cameras are on Hi because

712
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,320
he would always flash his Pentagram whenever the cameras were flashing.

713
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,440
That's a great point. Look through the notes to make

714
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,119
sure we don't let me pull that up.

715
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: While you do that, I can't read. We're down to

716
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,320
that art of the deal. Every relationship is art of

717
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:39,800
the deal.

718
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:46,039
Speaker 1: It's a contractual agreement for capital gain or pleasure something.

719
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: Bill Pakiston's truck.

720
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: Sabotage is Bill Paxton's truck. He's on site for the

721
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,920
home invasion. He beats the police there. Oh, The New

722
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,920
interestingly becomes more and more like a horror movie, like

723
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:06,679
the way that they're selling you know, they're like Horror

724
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,639
in the Valley or something like that, and it's like

725
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:09,360
a horror movie.

726
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: Well, and her colleagues are like, you can't air this.

727
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: And she's like yes, She's like, yes I can, and

728
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,639
yes we will.

729
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: And he's getting more so they're feeding into each renews

730
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:23,880
and Jill and Haller feeding into each other's like gore

731
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,360
fetish and money shock job. Yeah.

732
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: And she actually in one scene gets turned on when

733
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,079
he talks about what footage she has, so she's into

734
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:39,440
it just like he is. So he basically has He

735
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:42,840
definitely has the dark triad traits to the extreme. Again,

736
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,000
he's like he's like a Patrick Bateman for sure. And

737
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,199
then do you remember what he says, I don't like people.

738
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,559
He says that multiple he's at least once, or he's like,

739
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:54,519
I just don't like people. He's like, did you ever

740
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:56,159
think about the fact that maybe I just don't like people.

741
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:02,079
There's also an OJ element to this, right, with creating

742
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:08,519
crazy events, like when he does the gigantic car chase, right,

743
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:12,039
it's very OJ style and it becomes basically this is

744
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,320
it here when he's like he has to buy this

745
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:19,360
crazy dodge or whatever it is to drive fast enough

746
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,679
to get to all of these res or whatever. And

747
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,800
so basically it's the most insane OJ style chase ever

748
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:32,760
with the criminals, and he films the whole thing, but

749
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:39,000
it's all engineered through him because he's the one that's

750
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:42,119
sent the cops, or sent both the cops and the criminals.

751
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:47,519
He follows the assassin killer guys right to the restaurant,

752
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:50,440
calls the cops out the restaurant, so there will be

753
00:44:50,440 --> 00:45:00,719
a big public scene on purpose. What's next?

754
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: So Nightcrawlers two Prisoners, which was pretty dark.

755
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,519
Speaker 1: Prisoner is one of the darkest movies that you'll see.

756
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:20,000
But we're also back again to Dennis Villanueva. So and

757
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:20,800
this was a big hit.

758
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: Actually this was venue, Is that correct? The Prisoner is

759
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:32,599
twenty thirteen. Starts with the Lord's prayer and Dad is

760
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,519
teaching the son how to hunt.

761
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: So you got Wolverine who is a prepper, right who

762
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,000
Hugh Jackman. He's a prepper and he's a evangelical of

763
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:44,559
some kind.

764
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: This one's good because you think he's crazy, but it

765
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,199
turns out he's not right.

766
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another good deflection going on here because villain

767
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:59,119
Ava makes you think that you're going this is literally

768
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,679
you're going to just hate the Hugh Jackman character. And

769
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,599
I remember when I first watched it in the theater

770
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:06,239
when it came out, I'm like, here we go. They're

771
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,159
gonna make the Christian be this, you know, horrible villain,

772
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:12,400
any kind of a little bit is. But what's interesting

773
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,400
is that every character in this movie in ways has flaws.

774
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:22,280
There's no really good I mean, they're all good, but

775
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,159
they're flawed good, whether it's Jillen Hall or whether it's

776
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:31,679
Hugh Jackman. Right, And so I think the best part

777
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:34,880
of this movie is first of all, the how real

778
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,159
it is. There's nothing in this movie that is in

779
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:41,000
any way not seemingly real, Like this could definitely be

780
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:46,199
the way that a child kid n a pp I

781
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,239
in g ring would happen and has happened.

782
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: This one's scary because the reasoning behind what they're doing

783
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:00,360
is so evil and chaotic real.

784
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:05,079
Speaker 1: Again, this is what committed actual Satanists to take their

785
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,199
belief seriously, Like they actually do believe that doing evil

786
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,800
actions or the more horrendous evil actions are a war

787
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,320
on God and helps to make people no longer theis

788
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,480
do you remember, Yeah, So.

789
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: Hugh Jackman's family and what's that guy's name? Is talking

790
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,519
about physics. Now the black dad.

791
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:36,519
Speaker 1: In this movie, oh, Terrence Howard, Right, So genius, mystical,

792
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:42,360
mystical black science man. Right, he's going on black theosophy man.

793
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,320
Terrence Howard is the other father contra Hugh Jackman in

794
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,880
the film, and he doesn't have the I mean, when

795
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,679
Hugh Jackman loses the kid, he loses it, I mean,

796
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:59,960
and Terrence Howard is kind of like had a time.

797
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,519
Speaker 2: So two perfect families, one black and one white, each

798
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:06,280
lose a girl to a creeper van.

799
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: In the name right, and Paul Dano is in the van,

800
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:12,079
of course, and it's parked in front of the house

801
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,159
we later find out where Paul Dano was kidnapped from.

802
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: And the creeper's name is Alex Jones.

803
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: This was odd. I remember at the time when the

804
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,320
movie came out, Alex talked about this and Alex was like, folks,

805
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,519
is not an accident that they put a pedophile creeper

806
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,280
with my name, folks, purpose well know it come on right,

807
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,960
which could be the case. I'm not sure who wrote

808
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:40,320
the screenplay, but anyway, Yeah, there's again, just like with enemy.

809
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,239
There's great misdirection in this movie, which which makes you

810
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,599
think that first you think, if you never watched it,

811
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:51,280
then maybe don't listen to this, because it is a

812
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,760
very wild inten it's crazy psychological thriller with a little

813
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,920
bit of the satanic going on and some mkilt my control.

814
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,320
For sure, you think that, okay, maybe it's Hugh Jackman,

815
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,880
that's the dad that's actually behind this, and then you

816
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,679
start to think, no, it actually has to be Paul

817
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,960
Dano because of the things that he's whispering and saying.

818
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,840
Right then you start to think, well, maybe actually Jake

819
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,880
Gillenhalls involved in this, because he's this weird, you know,

820
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,000
detective and he's got a tick that he has. It's

821
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,960
both eyes, he goes, it's just a double tick that

822
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,880
he does. He's also got a Masonic ring that he wears,

823
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,920
which is odd. He's got tattoos like he was in

824
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,599
the military or might have been part of like a

825
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:41,360
mercenary squad. Well it looks like like military, like Black

826
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:47,079
Ops type of squad or something. He mentions too when

827
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,280
they talk about the priest, which I had never noticed

828
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,920
in the previous viewings. When he goes to investigate the priest.

829
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,719
He had just mentioned that he was working down his

830
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,559
sex offender list. So he goes to a Roman Callolic

831
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:06,039
priest who's on the sex offender list, and Jake's, you know,

832
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,880
rummaging around. He snuck into his house and the priest

833
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,840
has passed out drunk, and then he finds a body

834
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,400
in the basement and now you think the priest is

835
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:22,079
behind it. There's there's brilliant misdirections from every direction, which

836
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:26,199
is again what makes this movie really really good. But

837
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,000
it's very dark. I have to warn you, like it's

838
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,000
not there's not really I guess the one that it

839
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:34,280
is gritty. I mean when they're beating up Paul Dano

840
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,239
when they have him hidden in the abandoned apartment, that's

841
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,559
pretty gruesome. But other than that, it's not really violent.

842
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:45,840
It's just very uh it's very intense, very dark movie.

843
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,119
Speaker 2: But and there's also a third creep, yes.

844
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: And so we then we get this other guy who

845
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,360
shows up and we're starting to think, oh, this is

846
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,760
some kind of ring that's going on. And if you've

847
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,000
seen that, then you know the symbolism is obvious for

848
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:04,880
the maze.

849
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's labyrinth pendant and then labyrinth at the house.

850
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:13,199
Speaker 1: What's interesting though about the couple who ends up being

851
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:18,280
behind all this is that we know they're committed Satanists,

852
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,519
but we don't ever have it stated that they're Satanists, right,

853
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:28,000
But they're using all the techniques of like Luciferian satanic

854
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:32,639
mind control. So they're kidnapping children because they believe that

855
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,679
this is waging a war on God. I mean, that's

856
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,920
like the most satanic thing you could do. But they

857
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,679
never mentioned that they're Satanists or that it's a satanic thing.

858
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: Right. It turns out Paul Danna was the first victim

859
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:46,719
they ever took and raised him, and he was like

860
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:48,239
slow boying.

861
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: Now, well, that's because they have perfected a technique of brainwashing.

862
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,679
Oh and they use LSD and ketamine in a big

863
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,280
thing of grape kool aid and they make you the

864
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,639
jug and then they throw you in a tunnel maze,

865
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:06,559
which traumatizes you.

866
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:09,039
Speaker 2: And they made Wolverine drink the hippie hooch.

867
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: Right, Wolverine has to drink the hooch and trip out,

868
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,719
and that's kind of his prison time. But basically everybody

869
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:23,920
is some kind of prisoner. The Satanists are prisoners to

870
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,000
their hate and they end up meeting a bad end.

871
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,639
We find out, of course, that the guy in the

872
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:34,920
priest's basement was the evil Granny's former husband, who had

873
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,880
confessed to the priest that he was the Satanic ring

874
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,840
leader who was kidnapping and killing them, and he has

875
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,199
a labyrinth necklace that he wears that becomes something that

876
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,320
Jake Dyllon Hall regrets seeing because he should have noticed

877
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,840
it earlier. It's kind of like, like, how are you

878
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,360
not paying attention to the symbols on the body that

879
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,960
you found? Its weird, like, like you find this guy

880
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,000
who's he's written a labyrinth all over the this abandoned house,

881
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:03,880
and you think he's the cit the killer, and then

882
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,960
you don't remember the guy who was in the basement

883
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,760
with a labyrinth necklace. I mean, you know, you would

884
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,039
think you would make these connections. But we find out

885
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,599
that there was a book at the apartment that he

886
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:17,639
was reading, the one of the suspected criminals, and it

887
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,840
was about the an FBI guy who had written a

888
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,280
book about the Invisible Killer, and the Invisible Killer was

889
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,800
in fact who Jake Jollenhall was about to uncover. The

890
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,519
guy in the basement whose wife is now running the

891
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:35,360
ring the crazy Granny. So long story short, Clearly there's

892
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:42,360
a satanic element because the Grandma is not just using drugs,

893
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,039
she's using ketamine and LSD to brainwash the children by

894
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:49,280
throwing them in the tunnel maze. I mean, in ways,

895
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,840
this is kind of like darker than True Detective even, right,

896
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,400
But she's also utilizing this maze imagery because she tell

897
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,920
she tells the children that if you solve the may

898
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,199
you can get out, and ultimately they never get out

899
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,159
because you never solve the maze, So you're a prisoner

900
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:11,280
inside the maze. The maze is a satanic mind control

901
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,719
prison for the satanic Grandma, but for the other characters,

902
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,000
they're also prisoners as well. Jake Gillenhall seems to be

903
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,960
a prisoner of his work or his own ego or

904
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,880
something like that, because he's never lost a case. He's

905
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,320
solved every case. There's never been a case he hasn't solved.

906
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,559
But he's about to not solve this one, right. Hugh

907
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:37,079
Jackman is a prisoner of his fear in his relationship

908
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:39,599
to his father, because it's revealed that his father was

909
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:44,719
a prison guard who committed who unlived himself, and so

910
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:47,559
that I think we're supposed to think led him to

911
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:53,159
become this extreme fundamentalist prepper who has this anger and

912
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,320
fear about the world and that's what motivates him to

913
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,239
kidnap Paul Dano and to beat him and to try

914
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,360
to utilized you know, bush Era t O R t

915
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,159
U R E measures right, and maybe me think of

916
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:08,320
bush Yeah, I mean this is post bush Era, but

917
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,199
it made me think of that. But as a committee evangelical,

918
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,119
if you follow bush right, it makes sense that he

919
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:17,480
would have like he probably would have thought that these

920
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,679
are justifiable measures if I if I think Paul Dano

921
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,800
is the one that did it right. So in a way,

922
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,800
you could say, and the mom is interesting too, because

923
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,880
she's completely ineffectual. She just lays there taking pills. Yeah,

924
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,519
and she just lays in the bed and nothing she does.

925
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:37,519
She does nothing and just complains about how everyone else

926
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:40,079
is not finding the daughter when she doesn't do anything.

927
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,679
The brother is a minor character, but is also a

928
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,039
prisoner of his fear. I guess you could say I'm

929
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:49,639
the fear and love line, remember the fear and love

930
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:55,960
line in Donny Darko. But Basically the characters are in

931
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,920
their own prisons, so to speak, which just like an enemy.

932
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,559
Jillen Hall is a prisoner in his mind. But this

933
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:07,000
is a very dark but also very revelatory film with

934
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:12,599
again the trafficking and the Satanic cult stuff in the background.

935
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the lady at the end is explaining why

936
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:19,760
she does it and doesn't even look like it's for money,

937
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,599
but she says, making children disappears the war we wage

938
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:25,760
with God. It makes people lose their faith and turns

939
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:26,440
them in a demon.

940
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: So they see it as a spiritual battle basically, and

941
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:34,400
they believe that, she says, because we used to be

942
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,039
evangelicals who handed out tracks and flyers, and she said,

943
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:40,360
when we lost our son to cancer, we realize that

944
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,800
God is a thing that has to be warred against

945
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,679
because there is no God, and you know, we're going

946
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,280
to destroy faith in God basically, And so they do

947
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:56,519
that by disappearing children and making hippie hooch and using

948
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:57,960
insane hippie hooch.

949
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: Wine ants are bad hippie hoo How.

950
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: About satan at Grandma's handing out ketamine kool aid? To

951
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:09,079
you that's the worst. Yeah, But anyway, very dark movie,

952
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:10,519
but also excellent film.

953
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: And John Hall did good with his squints and he

954
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,519
got shot in the head and he still saved the day.

955
00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:21,559
Speaker 1: So yes, So maybe Jalen Hall is a prisoner of

956
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:25,079
his Masonic belief system that he needed to get out of.

957
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:29,920
Oh I'm just speculating, but that seems like too based

958
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,639
of a message for a Hollywood movie. I don't know,

959
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:33,639
what do you think?

960
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:35,039
Speaker 2: Are you ready for Donny Darko?

961
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: So we're gonna come, yeah to the final selection, which

962
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,719
again kind of a anniversary because one of the first

963
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,840
esoteric analyzes I did was Donnie Darko on on Jay's

964
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,000
Analysis what Over ten years ago, and so it was

965
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:58,039
a lot of fun, I have to say, going back

966
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:05,320
ten years later and watching Donnie Darko. Now, I know

967
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,199
Donnie Darko didn't come out in ten years ago, but

968
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:11,239
I'm saying that when I wrote the big analysis, it

969
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:13,400
was around twenty thirteen or fourteen. It was one of

970
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,519
the first long analyses I wrote on my website. So

971
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:18,639
to go back and watch this after I probably haven't

972
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:19,519
seen Donny dark on time.

973
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 2: And this is this one that actually needs an analysis

974
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,199
like an Esotke analysis for you to understand everything in it.

975
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,599
Speaker 1: Correct because when it came out and when I watched

976
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,119
it again. So I watched it when it came out

977
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:35,880
obviously in two thousand and one, and then when I

978
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,679
rewatched it for writing the analysis. Even then, I didn't

979
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:42,400
really understand what was going on in this movie. And

980
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,719
a lot of people complained at the time because the trailers,

981
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,599
when the old trailers came out for this, it was

982
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,079
built in the trailer like a horror movie. It's not

983
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:53,440
a horror movie. And so a lot of people were

984
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,679
disappointed in the movie that they actually got psychological thrill.

985
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,559
And it's like it's an it's an homage to the eighties,

986
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,440
and it's also really comedic. So there's a lot of

987
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,360
funny moments. There's a lot of you know, because in

988
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,639
the eighties we think about back to the future, a

989
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:14,960
lot of time travel, you know, that's the that's an

990
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,159
eighties theme. And so Richard Kelly, the director, you know,

991
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:23,519
he just basically wanted to pay homage to all the

992
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:25,920
things that he liked about the eighties and eighties movies.

993
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,519
And I've I grew up in the eighties, so I

994
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:31,440
really appreciated it. You have Tears for Fears on the soundtrack.

995
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:32,559
I mean it's it's great.

996
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: You reminded me that Jake Jillenhall also does comedic roles

997
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,920
pretty well, like Bubble Boy. Have you seen that.

998
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: I've not watched it, but I've seen that he.

999
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: Does Slow Boy pretty well.

1000
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good he's good at comedic roles. There's

1001
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:51,880
a lot of really funny moments and Donnie Darko it's

1002
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,280
more of a it's more of a comedy than you

1003
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,639
would think. And that's again like eighties movies. Eighties movies

1004
00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:58,400
would have, you know, back to the Future would have

1005
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,159
a sci fi time travel theme, but also a lot

1006
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:05,880
of comedic moments where Marty and Doc are doing goofy stuff.

1007
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,639
Speaker 2: Mody so Quit.

1008
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: And forgot. Seth Rogan's in it in a minor role

1009
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:18,440
as one of the bullies.

1010
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,039
Speaker 2: This takes place during Halloween times, right.

1011
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: So it's nineteen eighty that we came up with a

1012
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:30,639
what eighty four or five something because Bush is okay

1013
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:35,239
eighty eight because Bush is on TV debating Ducaucus and

1014
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:38,280
Donny Darko's dad is over there sitting and he's bitching

1015
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:39,280
about Docucas.

1016
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: Right, So ultimately this movie is about fate versus free Will.

1017
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:51,679
Speaker 1: In part yeah, right, yep, and fate up against you. Well,

1018
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:55,519
like the echo in the Monyman song, which is on

1019
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:56,039
the soundtrack.

1020
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 2: Oh do you like the soundtrack?

1021
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:00,039
Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah, this was a huge soundtrack. Everybody I

1022
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:03,079
load it? Did you like can you sing that all

1023
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,679
around me are familiar? Please?

1024
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:06,079
Speaker 2: Sis?

1025
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: Worn out faces? Warna like? Find it kind of funny,

1026
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:17,320
find it kind of set. I don't like that song,

1027
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:22,079
but it fits the final sequence, of course. But I

1028
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:24,760
have to say reviewing this, this is an excellent movie.

1029
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,559
It's almost almost a perfect movie. I have to say,

1030
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:31,320
Donnie Darko held up excellently and I was more impressed.

1031
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,360
And I feel like it's it's probably one of the

1032
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,599
top twenty five best movies ever made. Actually actually wow, Yeah,

1033
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,119
it's in the top twenty five or fifty for sure.

1034
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:47,159
It's really good. So and also I appreciated Richard Kelly.

1035
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:50,480
I mean, people after Donnie Darko, I mean, this is

1036
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:53,320
what made Jake Jillen Hall famous, right, this was his

1037
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,960
breakout role. People thought Richard Kelly was gonna be like

1038
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:58,599
the next thing, like the next big director, and he

1039
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:02,920
got you know, two or you got three big kind

1040
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,400
of you know Hollywood movies and they didn't do well,

1041
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:08,760
and so I haven't kept up with Richard, but I

1042
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,719
mean this show, he showed so much promise, and then

1043
01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:15,880
we got The Box and everybody hates The Box. I

1044
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,360
actually liked The Box. I think it's a great movie.

1045
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,280
There's a lot of deep philosophical themes going on, much

1046
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,679
like Donnie Darko. Everybody hates The Box though, because well,

1047
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,519
I guess they have their own reasons. I still think

1048
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:28,519
it's a creepy movie.

1049
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,159
Speaker 2: What do you think I thought Box was creepy?

1050
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I like a lot of the themes going on.

1051
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,000
I like the you know, weird alien visitors, demon visitors

1052
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:42,159
with Franklin Gella. I like that that everybody's being baptized

1053
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:46,239
into this weird mind control thing. There's this Sartre and

1054
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,360
existentialist themes. There's all kinds of weird, crazy stuff going

1055
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,760
on in The Box, which I liked, but nobody liked

1056
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,440
it for the most part. And then South Land Tails,

1057
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:59,880
which I think is good as well, but that was

1058
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,000
a lot more like Donnie Darko. People found it so

1059
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:08,679
weird and kind of surrealist and absurdist. Remember Timberlake scene

1060
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:13,280
where he's dancing and you're tripping out watching and you

1061
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,639
got the Rock going on this kind of Donnie Darko

1062
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,280
style journey to try to figure out like what's going on,

1063
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,800
and there's time travel in a balloon and quantum dimension. Shit,

1064
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,280
it was just too out there. It's even more out

1065
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,800
there than Donny Darko. So people didn't really like Southland

1066
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,559
Tails than Domino with this was at the height of

1067
01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:36,599
Dog the bounty Hunter popularity, so they got the idea

1068
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:41,079
to make Kira Knightley into a bounty hunter, which is

1069
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:45,320
just so just ridiculous. Nobody liked Domino. It was a

1070
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,480
big flop. And so I don't know that Richard Kelly

1071
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:51,119
has done much else. If he has, haven't kept up.

1072
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:55,000
But what do you what do you think about these?

1073
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:58,280
Donnie Darko the best for sure.

1074
01:03:58,559 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, of all the ones, you just.

1075
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: What do you think about South Entails? Did you like it?

1076
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,159
Remember it has Buffy in it?

1077
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too confusing. I can't remember the thread of it.

1078
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: Well, what's weird about Donnie Darko is that it's also

1079
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:16,119
extremely confusing. Yeah, I mean it's weird because you're can

1080
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:19,159
enjoy it without figuring it out. Because everybody enjoys the movie.

1081
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,639
I think very few people have really paid attention to

1082
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:24,920
go and figure it out. But they actually made a

1083
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,320
website with a lot of Donnie Darko lore that goes

1084
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,960
along with it, which is supposed to be ROBERTA. Sparrow's

1085
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,639
philosophy of time but on the internet, and yeah, that

1086
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:39,599
actually helps you understand what's going on. So there actually

1087
01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:43,039
is this kind of coherent narrative and it has to

1088
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:49,840
do with Donnie Darko when he decides not to die, right,

1089
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,960
he doesn't want to die because this engine has fallen

1090
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,159
out of a jet. It's going to crush him in

1091
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:58,400
his bedroom. He decides not to die.

1092
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:00,199
Speaker 2: Subconscious leads him out, so.

1093
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: He goes into a yeah, into an alternate dimension where

1094
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,440
he sees the effects of him not dying. And so

1095
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,320
this is a summary of the film. It is, it's

1096
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,599
it's it's very much like that. It's got elements back

1097
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,280
to the future, a lot of other films in it,

1098
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,400
for sure. But he sees the consequences of not dying, Yeah,

1099
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,360
and he thinks, well, I'm gonna I'm out for me.

1100
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:26,199
I want to I want to survive. I want to

1101
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,559
I want to live. But then he realizes that actually,

1102
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:31,840
my if I if I accept this as my time

1103
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,960
to go. It's actually better for everyone, and it was

1104
01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:38,519
my time to go, which is interesting because time travel

1105
01:05:38,639 --> 01:05:42,360
movies don't usually deal with the idea that, well, what

1106
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,119
if it was your time to go? And what if

1107
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:46,440
it was better for you to go ahead and die?

1108
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: Right? What do you think about her reading the book?

1109
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,599
Speaker 1: It there's a lot of eighties so there's other eighties

1110
01:05:56,639 --> 01:05:58,599
references in here. So is that the mom's reading it?

1111
01:05:58,840 --> 01:05:59,039
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1112
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the mom is reading it. The dad is

1113
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:06,079
obsessed with the geopolitical questions of Bush and Dacaccus, and oh.

1114
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:08,519
Speaker 2: In the meantime, sister is rebelling and saying she's going

1115
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:09,440
to be a demotra.

1116
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,599
Speaker 1: She's going to vote for Dacaucus, and uh, the mom's

1117
01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:17,400
you know, and it's Maggie Jillenhall is playing Jake's sister,

1118
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:18,639
his real sister, right.

1119
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

1120
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: And the mom's like, oh, is docaucas going to pay

1121
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:25,079
for your college when we send you to Harvard? And

1122
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:29,760
she's like, yeah, he will. And uh. The daughter, interestingly,

1123
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,960
you think that she's not really a very important role,

1124
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:38,079
but the daughter is important because she's going to end

1125
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:41,320
up dead as well. So it's not just in this

1126
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,719
alternate dimension that Donnie has chosen where he doesn't die.

1127
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,079
Speaker 2: His girlfriend dies, his girlfriend.

1128
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,039
Speaker 1: Jenna Malane's gonna die, who he falls in love with,

1129
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,280
the guy that Maggie Jillenhall's dating, will die, who is

1130
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,159
actually the guy with the rabbit costume. Yeah, the mom

1131
01:06:59,199 --> 01:07:03,360
will die and whose lit the sister will die.

1132
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if he goes out of the timeline that

1133
01:07:08,239 --> 01:07:14,960
is set, then chaos starts to happen, like it breaks

1134
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,639
down the universe sort of, right, Well, the.

1135
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:23,719
Speaker 1: So if you glitch into these other universes where you

1136
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:29,320
don't die, then what happens is you there's a limited

1137
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,639
amount of time before that universe collapses because it's not

1138
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:34,199
a stable universe.

1139
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,119
Speaker 2: Right, and it's just like a tangent.

1140
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,079
Speaker 1: It's a tangent universe they call it in the story, right,

1141
01:07:39,639 --> 01:07:42,320
and it has a limited amount of time for stability

1142
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,559
before it collapses. That's why at the very beginning of

1143
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:48,840
the film, you keep hearing this this you have you

1144
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,480
know in twenty six Days the whirldwind right, the voice

1145
01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:54,920
is saying that, and when it says they made me

1146
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,800
do it, this is essentially the spirits of the persons

1147
01:07:59,519 --> 01:08:05,480
who in up dead essentially telling Donnie, like, you need

1148
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:09,599
to accept that you were the one that was supposed

1149
01:08:09,639 --> 01:08:13,239
to die, right. So the lesson that Donnie learns in

1150
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:18,159
this alternate unstable dimension is that he shouldn't have worshiped

1151
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:21,800
himself and chosen what was best for him, but that

1152
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:25,279
the people that he loves, he could give his life

1153
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:28,479
for them and it would be better in the long run.

1154
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,359
That's what he learns. So what's interesting I never noticed

1155
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:35,000
is that he's a christ figure and it's actually referenced

1156
01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:39,000
multiple times in the movie. There's multiple Christ references about Donnie.

1157
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:43,520
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, what do you think about how Drew Barrymore.

1158
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,800
It's talking about Graham Green, the British intelligence.

1159
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: This relates to this dimension that's created. So basically, when

1160
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,119
they're talking about the Grand Green novel, the discussion is

1161
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:03,439
in the Creator the Destructors, death and destruction are a

1162
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,079
form of life, right, that's the discussion that they have,

1163
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,680
and Donnie says something like maybe they just wanted to

1164
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,520
see the world burn or they just wanted to mess

1165
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,680
with stuff, because you know, death is like a form

1166
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,800
of life or creation or whatever. So Donnie's death is

1167
01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:22,840
actually a form of creation because it's the death that

1168
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,319
gives life to the family members who end up not dying.

1169
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:28,239
We see.

1170
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:33,239
Speaker 2: And then he you said, Grandma Death is in a

1171
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,239
time loop, so he doesn't want to end up Is

1172
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:36,560
she in a tangent universe?

1173
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,159
Speaker 1: Also, she's the one So it's this is kind of

1174
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:44,279
the weird theosophy element because Grandma Death. Robert Sparrow used

1175
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:47,000
to be a nun, and the private school where Donnie

1176
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,640
attends is kind of loosely Catholic, or at least we

1177
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,840
get the impression that had some relationships because there's these

1178
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,880
nuns that used to run it. And so she has

1179
01:09:56,039 --> 01:10:00,600
just figured out that, no, the Catholic churches you is

1180
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,560
not the real metaphysical view. There's this quantum stuff going on.

1181
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,840
There's angels or spirits and their souls, which is what

1182
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,680
that gooey stuff is that comes out of his people's

1183
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,680
soul and their volition. That you can see their will,

1184
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,560
their will and their intention and their soul. And so

1185
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,640
she's figured out that reality is kind of this quantum thing,

1186
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,319
and so she writes this book to the philosophy of

1187
01:10:24,359 --> 01:10:28,800
time travel, and she has seen and understood what's actually

1188
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,960
going on. So she functions as this kind of Sage character,

1189
01:10:33,079 --> 01:10:37,359
who is the key ultimately to Donnie figuring out everything,

1190
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,000
because when Donnie reads her book, he figures out that, oh,

1191
01:10:42,079 --> 01:10:48,279
I'm in a tangent universe. Everything's unstable. And even the

1192
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,560
other thing too, is that he's gaining powers in this universe.

1193
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,279
What do you remember that, like, he has these powers

1194
01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:56,800
and which the movie doesn't. This is one flaw in

1195
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,399
the movie that doesn't make clear is that in the

1196
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,079
end seque once when he takes Jennam alone out into

1197
01:11:03,119 --> 01:11:05,159
the four on the top of that hill, when they

1198
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:11,960
see the portal that's opening up, he telekinetically enters the portal,

1199
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,840
which you're supposed to know. I don't know how you're

1200
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,319
supposed to know this, but that's the most confusing element,

1201
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,960
which is that Donnie and Jennam alone they do enter

1202
01:11:22,039 --> 01:11:25,560
the portal and that restores everything back to normal.

1203
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:32,159
Speaker 2: What about the Patrick Squeezy character. That was interesting the Pediou.

1204
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: Yes, that is interesting because you have the rise of

1205
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:39,800
self help in the late eighties and that's replacing the

1206
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,920
elements of the Catholic school that they're at, and.

1207
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,319
Speaker 2: They're very crulty about it too, like the teacher is

1208
01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:46,560
the one setting it up and getting Patrick Swayzey to

1209
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,520
come give his speech about fear and Love, which is

1210
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,840
funny because that went around Austin in like two thousand

1211
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,000
and eight. Like, I don't know if anybody out there

1212
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,039
has heard of the Handbook for the New Paradigm, but

1213
01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:02,239
this was like a new age thing, and like one

1214
01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:04,279
of them was called Hambo for the New Paradigm. Another

1215
01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:06,880
one was called Embracing the Rainbow. But basically they were

1216
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,920
like little booklets that you could give out to multiple

1217
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,359
people talking about there's only two choices, fear and love,

1218
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:15,720
and you have to go on the spectrum towards love

1219
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,079
and not you know, like that sell Gurustuff.

1220
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: Well, there's another key to Donnie being a Christ figure

1221
01:12:22,199 --> 01:12:27,000
in that when he confronts Jim Cunningham at the talk

1222
01:12:27,079 --> 01:12:30,119
that he gives, he says, I think they're the anti Christ,

1223
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,880
and everybody in the audience goes, and that makes Donnie

1224
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:39,199
a Christ figure, right. And as Donnie is gaining these powers, right,

1225
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:44,399
he has precognition, He has the ability to you know,

1226
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:50,359
go in and destroy the school plumbing and not be

1227
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:55,560
detected or seen or known. He's gaining these powers, right,

1228
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,319
he can see people's will and intention, and so we're

1229
01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:01,199
supposed to realize that, wait a minute, it there must

1230
01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:05,560
be this must be some kind of other universe, because

1231
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,359
why would Donnie start having these these powers, these telekinetic

1232
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,039
abilities and powers. And then we figure out that it

1233
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:17,359
is an alternate universe. And another one of the keys

1234
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,079
to understanding this is the invention that he and Jennam

1235
01:13:21,119 --> 01:13:23,520
alone come up with, which is, what if you could

1236
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:29,439
invent these glasses for a baby that takes away all

1237
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,199
of your bad memories and programs them again with good memories.

1238
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:35,479
In other words, what if all the bad stuff that

1239
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,640
you had done and that you had seen could all

1240
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,359
be erased and you could start over. That's a clue

1241
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,880
that you don't pick up until you really pay attention

1242
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:49,159
that Donnie's in another alternate tangent universe. And what he

1243
01:13:49,279 --> 01:13:53,319
has to learn is that all of the things that

1244
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:55,880
he thinks he wants to be this hero, to be

1245
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:00,840
the savior, to be the guy with superpowers, right because

1246
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,720
in this very scene, she says something to him like

1247
01:14:05,359 --> 01:14:09,000
Donnie Darko sounds like a superhero, and he says, how

1248
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:09,600
do you know, I'm not?

1249
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 2: That's so true, And that's like a classic adolescent boy

1250
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,000
fantasy who is like save your girlfriend, save your family,

1251
01:14:17,159 --> 01:14:18,560
save your school.

1252
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: Right. But what's interesting is that it's not the way

1253
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,439
that he thinks. It's not the way that oh, I'm

1254
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:28,000
gonna have like you know, superpowers. I'm gonna go bust

1255
01:14:28,119 --> 01:14:31,520
the you know, pipes at the high school. I'm gonna

1256
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,960
go beat up the bad guys and the bullies. It's no,

1257
01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:37,760
it's a self sacrificial death. That's how you become a hero.

1258
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:44,239
Speaker 2: What about his therapist that does some kind of like hypnosis,

1259
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:47,439
like mk ultra hypnosis. She has masks on the wall.

1260
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:53,520
And then darko is like darkness which is the subconscious,

1261
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,560
which is the psyche developing.

1262
01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like in this tangent universe that Donnie's,

1263
01:15:06,399 --> 01:15:09,199
it's kind of like in his own mind or in

1264
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:13,680
his soul. So it's a real tangent universe, but it's

1265
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:18,359
connected to his subconscious because everything that he's talking to

1266
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:23,600
the psychiatrist about and what they're discussing is keys and

1267
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:28,880
clues that let you know that not only is Donnie

1268
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,239
going to die and the world going to end in

1269
01:15:31,319 --> 01:15:35,640
twenty eight days, it already ended. The world ended at

1270
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:42,319
the very beginning of Donnie Darko when the engine crashed

1271
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,960
on Donnie Darko, and in that split second, Donnie Darko

1272
01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:51,399
chose a different alternate universe where it's sort of like,

1273
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,119
what would you think if you were a seventeen year

1274
01:15:57,159 --> 01:15:59,600
old and a jet engine was about to crash on

1275
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,920
your house. You would think, wait a minute, my life

1276
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,920
has just begun. I haven't had a chance to be

1277
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,199
a hero yet. I'm supposed to go out and do this.

1278
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:08,960
I'm supposed to go I don't even have a girlfriend

1279
01:16:09,039 --> 01:16:11,880
right now. I haven't done all these things. So it's

1280
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,479
like the thing that your mind would create, the universe

1281
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,880
your mind would create if you were a seventeen year

1282
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,000
old and you felt like, hey, I didn't get a chance.

1283
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,000
I haven't done anything yet, right. And that's what the

1284
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,159
discussion with the psychiatrist is about, is like she's pulling

1285
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:30,680
out of Donnie. What Donnie kind of already knows is

1286
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:36,560
the truth, which is that he died. You think, I mean,

1287
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,600
I could be wrong on that, you guys, if you

1288
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,319
guys think I'm wrong about that. The one thing I

1289
01:16:41,359 --> 01:16:44,880
don't know about the section when he's talking to a

1290
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,359
psychiatrist is that twice they show a picture of a

1291
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:50,079
woman on the wall, and I don't know who the

1292
01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:52,800
woman is. Are we supposed to think it's ROBERTA. Sparrow

1293
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,359
or who is is this something?

1294
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,079
Speaker 2: So they're talking about Stephen Hawckey Brief History of Time,

1295
01:16:57,239 --> 01:17:00,159
the philosophy of time travel by ROBERTA. Sparrow, which is

1296
01:17:00,199 --> 01:17:04,560
the Grandma death. And then we wrote the psychiatrist represents

1297
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:09,840
his rational side to get through to him. Yeah, daylight, hallucination,

1298
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,640
hypnosis and meds. So he's already.

1299
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,520
Speaker 1: But do you remember she later tells him that I

1300
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:22,319
didn't ever give you any meds. It's all placebosh. So

1301
01:17:22,359 --> 01:17:24,800
he was never actually on meds. It was all placebos.

1302
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 2: And this was the thing in the eighties, just starting

1303
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,000
too therapy.

1304
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: Therapy and yeah, pharmaceuticals. Yeah, And of course his boomer

1305
01:17:35,239 --> 01:17:39,119
Republican parents are just like whatever you say, right. This

1306
01:17:39,159 --> 01:17:41,720
is actually a great scene because she's like, well, I

1307
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,760
want to up his doses or something like that, he

1308
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,760
needs more therapy, and oh she said, I want to

1309
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,239
try hypnosis, which like all that comes out of MK

1310
01:17:48,399 --> 01:17:51,439
Ultra and the parents are just like yeah, yeah, whatever

1311
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,119
you say right, Like no, you know, red flags or

1312
01:17:55,159 --> 01:17:57,520
suspicions at all, right.

1313
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 2: And he's kind of the I don't know, the outlier

1314
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,800
of the family, like the one that doesn't fit. Like

1315
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,600
he's the one that disrupts dinner. He's the one with

1316
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:14,000
like behavioral problems at the dinner table member. And so

1317
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:21,119
if he's removed and everybody's problems are solved almost in

1318
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:24,600
this dynamic, Remember.

1319
01:18:27,079 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: Why would the problems be solved? I mean you mean

1320
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,760
because the parents are having to sink money into the

1321
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,319
psychiatrist or what I mean, And.

1322
01:18:35,319 --> 01:18:38,319
Speaker 2: Like how he disrupted everything at dinner.

1323
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: I just think, but he's just a normal teenager, ye,

1324
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:43,640
who's an outsider and alone. He's like a Lloyd Dobbler

1325
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,640
type of character, Like just an outsider. Yeah.

1326
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,319
Speaker 2: What do you make of how they're not allowed to

1327
01:18:48,319 --> 01:18:49,520
talk about God?

1328
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:54,520
Speaker 1: Well that's the school, which was previously a Catholic school,

1329
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,279
has moved in the direction of no longer really being

1330
01:18:57,279 --> 01:19:01,920
affiliated with Roman Catholicism or shanity because they now the

1331
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:07,439
self righteous pe teacher teaches self help. She's all into

1332
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:11,800
Jim Cunningham. Right, there's no more nuns at the school.

1333
01:19:13,399 --> 01:19:16,600
There's no more nuns at the school, right, So it's

1334
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:21,760
no longer religious private school. It's a quasi religious private

1335
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,720
school and they've adopted self help. But the irony, of course,

1336
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,800
is that the guy running the self help stuff is

1337
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,720
a total pe d oh. That's the crazy part, which

1338
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:32,359
is interesting.

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Speaker 2: Iyatola Kameni five dollars. It kind of seems like all

1377
01:21:45,399 --> 01:21:49,119
the happenings and his obsessions are very schizophrenic and Donnie

1378
01:21:49,159 --> 01:21:52,600
Darko two. It's sad if it's a metaphor for that

1379
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,439
spiral where people are trying to grasp at morality and

1380
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rationale from the bleakness of their discernment of reality.

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Speaker 1: This is a good point. I forgot to mention that

1382
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,159
they do say that Donnie might be schizo when he

1383
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:09,960
first is going to the psychiatrist. The parents and Donnie

1384
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:12,399
and the psychiatrist think he might might be that because

1385
01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:15,239
he's hearing this voice that tells him that the world's

1386
01:22:15,279 --> 01:22:17,600
going to end, and that you know he's supposed to

1387
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,039
you know, sleep walks, he dissociates. So there is this

1388
01:22:21,119 --> 01:22:25,319
kind of potential you know, union psychology MK ultra stuff

1389
01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:29,319
going on, because like the invention that he and Genlemalone

1390
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:34,039
come up with isn't just to like brainwash babies to

1391
01:22:34,079 --> 01:22:37,479
make them happy. It's also to put good memories in

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so it's to implant fake memories. Basically, so, I mean,

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they don't have malicious intent, but it's sort of like,

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it's an odd invention to think that let's put let's

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put good memories that are fake into a baby's mind

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so that it erases all the bad stuff. But it

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is kind of the yeah, exactly, but it is kind

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of what teenagers would come up with, right. A teenager

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would think that's a good idea for an invention, right.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, and then though one of them teachers makes

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a note about how maybe darkness is necessary and that's

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a very psychological theory.

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Speaker 1: No, that's part of the message to Donnie. Right, So

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01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:19,239
Donnie and Jenna come up with the idea of erasing

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01:23:19,279 --> 01:23:25,520
all the bad stuff, and it's Noah Wiley the professor,

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01:23:26,039 --> 01:23:29,000
the guy professor who says, well, did you ever think

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or is it Drew Barrymore that says that the darkness

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is necessary?

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Speaker 2: I think it was the guy.

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Speaker 1: The guy professor says did you ever think? Yeah, because

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when they present their invention about the baby brainwash, he says, well,

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did you ever think about the fact that maybe darkness

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is necessary for infants to mature? Meaning then darkness Donnie darko, like,

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01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:59,920
what if that's necessary? Also for you to mature in virtue,

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like to go through difficult times. Right, And that's the

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01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,800
whole master of the movie that Donnie needs to learn

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that there's a place for the things that the novels

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01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,399
have already revealed to you. The Grand Green novel told

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you that there's a place for and a time for death,

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and for an end and for struggles. Right. So then, oh,

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another element of him being a christ figure.

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Speaker 2: He's an avenging angel, right.

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01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: So they made him do it, meaning that he's he's

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the one ultimately that reveals that Jim Cunningham's a fraud.

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Speaker 2: And they he overcomes three temptations just.

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Speaker 1: Like he doesn't them.

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Speaker 2: Well he's supposed to. He comes up against them and

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he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a christ like figure. He's not exactly Christ, right,

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So he's given three the drugs he does that, Yeah,

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he's given. So Jim Cunningham says that teenagers today are

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living as prisoners of fear and and they succumb to

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the three temptations of drugs, alcohol, and sex. Well, in

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the movie, Donnie Darko succumbs to all three temptations. So

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he is a christ like figure, but he fails. But

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even though he fails at the three temptations because we

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all do as human beings, we don't pass, and we

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01:25:18,359 --> 01:25:21,760
are not perfect, we are sinners. He still ends up

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01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:26,680
being a christ like sacrificial lamb figure.

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Speaker 2: Was the last enteation of the Christ on the Marquee

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it is.

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Speaker 1: That's another sign that even though it's a blasphemous movie.

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When Donnie Darko leaves the movie theater after he sees

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01:25:36,359 --> 01:25:39,399
the portal, which is interesting, the portal shows up in

1445
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,920
Evil Dead, which is odd. When you see the clock

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in Evil Dead. That's when Donnie sees the portal. And

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when he walks out of the theater, you see above

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him that the other movie that's playing his last Temptation

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of Christ. And that's just showing you that Donnie is

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a christ like figure.

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Speaker 2: What he he did it he got the timeline back right.

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01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,199
Speaker 1: So when he dies, everything kind of resets, and then

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01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:21,399
you have this famous in sequence where that crappy song is.

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Speaker 2: Playing, sing it again all around.

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Speaker 1: Me, and Donnie Darko's laughing because he realized that it's

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all kind of absurd and he you know, he was

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01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:36,640
supposed to die. Is the point, and the darkness is

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in a sense, in a relative sense necessary. It's not

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ultimately necessary, but it's sub conscious. You could definitely give this.

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You could definitely give this to Jordan Peterson, Jordie Darko.

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Speaker 2: Where the seed germinates underground and Pizza from a trash bag.

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01:26:58,279 --> 01:27:02,279
Five dollars Yo, guys, love your work, Jamie. Where did

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01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:04,600
you find that picture of Russell Brand with the supposed

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mark of the beast symbol he was holding? Been trying

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01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,600
to find it from memory? Is essentially just an X

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01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:17,479
like a company we all know, is any of my

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part ones in here? It was a promotional picture that

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he did for his show Brand X, and he was

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holding it was like a statue that was supposed to

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look something like an award, like an oscar or something,

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but it was the X in the OH on it.

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So that's where I got that for his show called

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01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:37,119
Brand X.

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Speaker 1: What did you think of Sparkle Motion. I'm starting I'm

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starting to doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motions.

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Speaker 2: You want to be on Sparkle Motion, You'd be the

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lead dancer.

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Speaker 1: A twelve year old girl girl group is where I

1479
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would be dancing. That's kind of weird. I do like

1480
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the Deran Duranzon though, Derandaur. That's pretty awesome eighties stuff.

1481
01:27:59,239 --> 01:28:04,960
But anyway, so I'm going to remind you guys too

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that if you want to support us, you can go

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to the website and buy the books. You get signed

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copies of my six hundred page book on theology, Apologetics

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and Geopolitics. You get Esolitary Hollywood one and two in

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the shop, signed copies. I'm working right now on Esolitary

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Hollywood three. I got two hundred and forty pages now,

1488
01:28:22,359 --> 01:28:24,399
so hopefully I'll have that done in the next month

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or two. Donnie Darko will be in there, updated, rewritten,

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all the details and more. And then Jamie has two books.

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You can get those at the shop at jays Nelsis

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Speaker 2: Don't forget. We have an intimate event coming up with

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Courtney Turner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so in two weeks you can find us at

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the Cognitive Liberty Conference in Nashville. It is a private

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two day event. It is myself, Courtney, doctor James Lindsay.

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Speaker 2: Tickets are limited.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's just like a small forty people venue.

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I'm not familiar with all these people, but there's Matthew Crawford,

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Tiffany Boyd, we've interviewed John Classic before School World Order,

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Aaron we met her the other day. She was really nice,

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and then James Lindsay and a couple other people, Stephen Coughlin.

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So get the tickets if you want to come see

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us there in Nashville for two