Speaker 1: We're going to make. I'd rather see your head than
Ryan Gosling head. I mean Ryan Reynolds head. There we go.
How's that?
Speaker 2: That's good?
Speaker 1: What's up everybody? It's esoteric? Jyllen hall leywood Tonight, perfect title.
I came up with. I think I got my Sotoshi shirt.
Speaker 2: I got Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 1: She's got She's my National Treasure.
Speaker 2: This is the first present I think you ever gave me.
Speaker 1: I gave her a National Treasure shirt. And we're going
to start with the worst of the movies and work
our way up to the best of the movies. And
we're only going to be covering a few of them.
I couldn't find our Velvet buzz Saw notes, but Jamie
does want to mention some of the interesting elements that
she noticed in Velvet Buzzsaw, which, if you're not seeing,
is a Netflix movie from a couple of years ago,
which stars Jake Jillen Hall again in we will not
be covering Broke Back Mountain. I know a lot of y'all.
I know a lot of y'all squid boys in the
chat are going to be sad about that. But I
don't know what a squid boy is, but it just
sounded like some kind of gay thing. I don't know. Oh,
he's into squid boy.
Speaker 2: I can't quit you.
Speaker 1: I've thankfully never seen any of it, so.
Speaker 2: You're lucky.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we're only covering esoteric jill and Hall and I
decided that Prince of Persia wasn't really very esoteric, so
I left that one out.
Speaker 2: I want to watch that still.
Speaker 1: Also, wouldn't that be whitewashing?
Speaker 2: Nowadays speak epics like Alexander the Great? Who did that one?
Speaker 1: Prince of Persia is not an epic. It's a video
game and it's like a cgi thing. Have you not
seen it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Did you ever play the game? No, it's a fun
video game. But no, Jake Gillenhall is not a Persian prince.
Speaker 2: But also he's a squid boy. There's squid boys in
this movie. I know.
Speaker 1: That's probably why I said that. I was thinking of
this horrible movie Life, which is the worst of our
esoteric gillen Halls. And this is space is faking gay
and evolution all in one thing. And also, let's rip
off a Ridley Scott alien for the thousandth time.
Speaker 2: Space is hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we watched an excellent X Files the newer
season season ten from twenty sixteen, and I hate the
storyline of baby William, which is the dumbest thing ever.
And they have flashbacks where Moulder's raising Baby William and
they're shooting rockets and he.
Speaker 2: Goes space is hard?
Speaker 1: Even what does that mean? We got to kick out
of the.
Speaker 2: Part alien so he should be good at Jamie.
Speaker 1: Had a good point if he's part alien DNA because
he got that coop vaccine right.
Speaker 2: He's a retargeted alien anyway, All right, life, baby Williams
in space, and there's even a squid boy. Look, can
I show like him?
Speaker 1: Jamie drew him for you guys. So if you didn't
know he was a.
Speaker 2: Squid boy, you're not even showing it right here? Where
is it not on the side like that?
Speaker 1: They can't say none of that.
Speaker 2: Okay. Squid boys and squeechers are my favorite.
Speaker 1: That's any creature in a movie that takes over your mind.
It makes you part of the hide mind. They always squeak.
Speaker 2: Like that movie Slither, and they're like e and they
get in your orifices and speech.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really make sense because they don't seem to
have mouths and vocal cords, but they still squeak from
what was.
Speaker 2: That one where he was reaching on the fan like Public.
Speaker 1: That's a Robert Hindline story, Public Masters, which is a
good one.
Speaker 2: They're at the ISS, the International Space so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in space again, so shocker. And then like
every space movie, there's some big piece of crap goes wrong,
another piece of crap hits another piece of crap, and
the other fake crap then goes wrong right, and the
systems are down.
Speaker 2: Pilgrim capsule sample from Mars.
Speaker 1: One piece of CGI hits another piece of CGI, and
the CGI space station station goes down.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of space trunk floating.
Speaker 1: Around, always just trash up there.
Speaker 2: There was two astronauts like chilling in space and can't
get home.
Speaker 1: There's no difference between the sci fi and the stories.
They're all the same, right. The NASA stories are basically
a bunch of sci fi stories.
Speaker 2: So well, so this ISS is like globalism.
Speaker 1: You in space always. This was in twenty ten, Arthur
Clark's twenty ten. In the film version, it's very explicit.
They talk about the children of Lucifer, the children of
the Sun, and they're born of the Alliance of all
the nations underneath the AI at the end of twenty ten,
and then we go out and colonize space and it's
like seminal seed colonizing the space, fake the space civilization.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have at least two or three different articles
about how to have skittle sex and space.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's in that Millennium book. Not Jaquattle's Millennium, but
the Millennium Book from nineteen eighty two with all of
the futurist writers and the boomer goobers like Barbara Marx,
Hubbard and Wallace Harmon and Carl Rogers and uh Timothy
Leary in that book and if you guys remember that's
the book of lecture on it's one of the global
elite texts because it mentioned essential and non essential workers. Yeah,
and they have a chapter in that book about how
to have space intimacy, which is so ridiculous. Right, Like
all these futurists, they get like ninety percent of stuff wrong,
but they're always hailed as futurists, you know. Yeah, yes,
Jack Parsons, thank you. We can't we can't forget space
being fake and gray without an actual ritual gay magician
being you know, being involved in the creation of space.
Speaker 2: Rockets, space coumeras.
Speaker 1: They're supposed to be fallic devices going into literally that's
that's the way Crowley and Parsons viewed it.
Speaker 2: They're piercing the it's and also it's like the corns
of the goat the life of Levice.
Speaker 1: Here's you heard well Crowley said that the goal would
be to storm heaven, yes, and take it back.
Speaker 2: And remember that one rocket that was so super phallic
shape recently.
Speaker 1: It was Jeff bezos ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like South Park. It was.
Speaker 1: Peepees in space. It's so stupid, though, It's.
Speaker 2: Not like all our money and tax dollars go to
this crazy st Well, no, that's your Amazon dollars.
Speaker 1: That's not your tax dollars.
Speaker 2: But Tanasa and the is S and I swear there's
a astronaut with her hair sticking up and they're lost
in space. We talked about it on Buck Johnson's show.
Speaker 1: There's Bezos' penis ship. Oh yeah, yeah, Jeff Bezos is
peepe rocket. There it is. The whole Internet was laughing
about that. Look, space has always been faking gray. Right here,
we got we got Ryan Reynolds, Rebecca Ferguson and uh
Jake Gilen Hollywood up in space. And the thing is
this movie is basically just body snatchers and alien, but
without any cool xenomorphs. It's not very good. It's terrible.
Speaker 2: He's the hero, oh okay, but it has this undertone
about pilgrims and clamouth rock and all that. Remember, like,
is this about white people invading Native Americans? And they
have these conversations and.
Speaker 1: The alien is what the news. The alien is the
real colonizer, Yeah, because he's going to colonize that.
Speaker 2: If they find the living cells in the space dirt, right,
and then they have a Lovecraft reference.
Speaker 1: Re animator, yes, right, So they make references to the
old gods being from out beyond the stellar you know,
luminaries and all that.
Speaker 2: They find the cells and they immediately give him beat
us what he gives them glucose.
Speaker 1: I said, they're going to give him beat us because
they try to feed this thing. They find. This is
a little octopus thing. They start feeding. It looks like
a sea horse and then it turns into like a
big like a just a crappy version of a face
hugger from Alien. That's all it is.
Speaker 2: They they name it Calvin after Calvin Coolidge. Who are
you making that?
Speaker 1: I don't know why? Of them, so the black guy,
black science man names him that. I don't know why,
but I think they're They keep making the colonizer references
and they refer to the Pilgrims because they think they're
going to colonize space. But it's the alien that in
the end is going to colonize.
Speaker 2: Us, and space alien colonizes you exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And Ryan Reynolds dies within like the first twenty minutes,
so he's out of the picture right way. And then
it ends up being what we'll get.
Speaker 2: To the end because I actually liked the end.
Speaker 1: Well, it has a twist. If you've not seen it,
it's not very good movie, I'm gonna warn you, but
it's just.
Speaker 2: A fun space romp.
Speaker 1: But it's just another alien. It's just like they took
Ridley Scott.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So but Jake, poor spaceman, his muscles of
atrophyeed and he's radioactive because he's been in space too long?
Speaker 1: Right is that I don't even remember?
Speaker 2: And he says he likes it up there better, so
he's pretty uh antisocial.
Speaker 1: Well that tells us that the character is being primed
for self sacrifice.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That kind of character can only find solace in sacrificing
himself ultimately for the good of humanity or his crew.
And that's what John Hall does here. Right. It doesn't
actually end up working, but at least he does have
good intentions, right, because it doesn't end with it being
the wrong ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have references to the Finger of God,
like with Michaelangelo and more Gallon's member. They're like trying
to touch it.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, I had a picture of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so it's almost like that Sisteine Chapel imagery.
Speaker 1: Yes, where is that up here?
Speaker 2: And it reaches out to it reaches out and touches
you and okay, oh yeah, and the black eyes defending
it because.
Speaker 1: He's handy, he's been affected.
Speaker 2: No, he's handicapped, and he thinks squeecher is the key
to unlocking DNA human like paralyzing.
Speaker 1: There it is, So that's it's reaching out to touch you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It looks like a little bit of cocaine with a
with a tip.
Speaker 2: With a tip, just the tip of a finger.
Speaker 1: Who directed it? Good question? It was not it's not
a very memorable movie. Most people haven't forgotten this movie.
Let's see life. What else is going on in the movie.
Remind me?
Speaker 2: The black guy wants to keep it, and then someone
tried to kill it maybe and they had to shock
it back to life. And so they have sugared it,
and now they've electrified it, and now it's ready to go.
And some of the scenes are in squeeze revisions.
Speaker 1: Remember the director is Daniel Espinosa, who directed safe House,
which is a good spy movie with Ryan Reynolds and
Denzel Trial forty four. We've been wanting to watch that
for a while. Now I'm not seeing these other ones,
so I can't say, but looks like they're not all bad.
I thought safe House was good. But the other thing
about this, the alien narrative, is that if you think
about it, all the alien stories they play on, they
all assumed Darwinism. I mean, the whole ethos of the
alien narrative is Darwinism. We talked about this a lot
and panspermia and also skittle stuff. So it's not a
joke to say that the it's all fake and gay,
because if you read the Collins Brothers book on alien
psyops evoking the beyond Beyond. They have whole section on
decoding Ridley Scott's alien and Aliens, And if you aren't
aware of it, there's a lot of intentional skittle stuff
going on in that the things are supposed to be like,
you know, basically it's basically great. That's what he's face.
Speaker 2: Grape he wanted to convey.
Speaker 1: Yes, So the xenomorphs are basically the ultimate. They look
like BDSM things, they're all they look like leather and
they basically grape.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned and.
Speaker 1: I think Dan O'Bannon, Yeah, that's why Geeger did the art,
which is all intentionally luciferian. And Dan O'Bannon or somebody
that did the story even said that he wanted it
to be some kind of like Hama erotic thing. But
thank you for that super chat there you want to
read the first super chat right.
Speaker 2: Here, Alula five dollars.
Speaker 1: And then the official leader of Iron, the Iatola Commanian.
Speaker 2: Why come Billy Carson looking like the Blackjack Parsons, Jay,
when are you going to answer me? Debt?
Speaker 1: Billy Corson could be the black Jack Parson by the way,
that all rhyme so like I don't have to rap
about that. I mean, he seems to have the gnostic worldviews,
So is there anything else in life? This movie basically sucks.
Speaker 2: The ending, so spoiler alert if you don't want to
wash it. So, what's that name? Rebecca Ferguson. You think
she's gonna make it to Earth as the survivor and
j Gillenhall's going to blast into space with the squeecher
scene and he sacrificed himself, and yeah, he supposedly sacrifices himself,
so everyone's like, whew, Okay, that was a relief. And
then the very last scene is that she went the
wrong way and he landed on Earth with a squeezer
and they opened it up, and.
Speaker 1: Jake was trying to tell everybody, no, don't open it up,
but the Asian fisherman could not understand his jill and speak.
Speaker 2: So now they're gonna be comes something.
Speaker 1: Now the Yeah, basically everyone, everybody in Asia will be
squidified and then it will spread like the bat flew
to America, right exactly.
Speaker 2: That's life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not that that's the worst of ours, but it
did have enough of an esoteric philosophy. Darwin fake and
gray space stuff to put it into esoteric jo. Now
let's move on to an excellent film, and this is
I think the first America. I think it's the first
Hollywood production. By I'm just gonna start calling him Dennis
villain Ueva to actually just anger everyone, because the nerds
will never let you pronounce his name the way it
actually looks, because it's a hispanic Ish Spanish name. But
he's French Canadian, which makes no sense. So why are
we pronouncing Spanish words and names in French? Dennis Villanueva properly?
Denis you? You mean Dennis villain aweiba?
Speaker 2: You say it so nice though, did even.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not a pretentious.
Speaker 2: You don't say croissant or croissant we're from.
Speaker 1: If you look, if you're from Tennessee or Kentucky, you
say Versales.
Speaker 2: I know it doesn't They don't say versas.
Speaker 1: They say ver Sales because there is a town called
ver Sales, Kentucky. This is me Well, I have to
give a caveat a little uh disclaimer. So some of
you who are a long time Jason Alysis peeps, you
may remember that I did a live stream on this
movie back when it came out, and I have to
admit sometimes I get it wrong. This is one of
those times where I got it completely wrong, and I'm
not ashamed to say I got it wrong.
Speaker 2: You have to pay close attention because you even I
even had to put number one Jillen Hall is the
teacher Jillen Hall, and number two Jillan Hall is the
actor Jillen Hall. So you're following two different Gillen Halls.
Speaker 1: What is exactly what is a plural Jillen Hall, Donnie Doppelgan, Right, Yeah,
so Jillen. I can't. I can't think of anything. I
don't think of something clever. I can't. Okay, I'm just playing.
Speaker 2: Jill and Highs. Anyway, it's about order and chaos, and
it's also got eyes wide shot like stuff in it.
That's part of what makes him mentally unstable.
Speaker 1: Well, what makes this a great movie is the misdirection.
There's all of these themes that are very grand. You know,
you've got tyrants and Hagel and Marx and tyranny and
fascism and all this political stuff that comes up. You've
got the underground sex parties that are going on. You've
got the Hollywood element with the cool guy Jillen Hall
who's contrasted to the nerdy spurgy history teacher Jillen Hall,
and all of that is an excellent exercise in deflection
because and I was wrong about this because when I
watched the movie, I only watched it once and did
a livestream on it. I thought, Wow, this is some
kind of vast global conspiracy and we see this giant
spider and the giant spider invasion is like an allegory
for the hive mind and tyranny and all that. And
really it's a dissociation story of two different gillen Halls,
and a Gillen Hall who's trying to cope with the
fact that he is cheating, and so it's he's dealing
with guilt and it's all it's all grappling with the
guilt in his mind. Yeah, and I didn't realize that
until I went and watched a bunch of other people
doing analyses. And this is one of those rare occasions
where I misanalyzed the movie.
Speaker 2: So this starts off with weird like spider crushing sex club.
Speaker 1: Yes, you see this chick wearing a spider mask and
a bunch of dudes are fapp in it, I guess
you could say, and you're like, what in the heck
is going on? And you see Jake there and he's
like sort of puts his hands in and he's got
this weird spider looking face. Right, But what we are
realizing is that from his vantage point, we're starting to
notice that he sees women as spiders, as predators, you
know what I'm saying. So that's a big key because
the woman wears the spider mask. She pops up later
on in the movie, by the way, when he confronts
his double who the woman has the spider mask. Woman
appears at a hotel later when he first confronts the
other Jake Jillenhall. But do you are you? You see
like you don't remember what's.
Speaker 2: Who's his girlfriend as the history teacher.
Speaker 1: She's the blonde girl in Now you see Me, the
French inspector and now you see me?
Speaker 2: Right okay?
Speaker 1: And but what we're figuring out as the story progresses
is that all those elements that he's talking about, like
tyrants and hagel.
Speaker 2: He's lecturing about dictatorships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the dictatorship is the dictatorship of guilt. His
conscience and the way he sees the women who've been
running his life. Oh and his mom too, and his
mom correct because it begins with a phone call from
his mom.
Speaker 2: And okay, so this is like patterns repeating themselves throughout
history he talks about, right, and well.
Speaker 1: The pattern that's repeating it's his pattern of cheating and
the guilt and the problems that his cheating calls.
Speaker 2: There's his girlfriend, the French okay, as the teacher.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is his persona as a spurgey loner professor.
Speaker 2: Is she his a fair partner? Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, so she's the girl that he had an affair with,
the pregnant girl is his? He's the actor, yes, right, So.
Speaker 2: His core personality is the actor, and he's making up
the history teacher to deal with his conscience. Okay, that
makes sense. And because he talks about where there's a will,
there's a way in like nietzschee. And the song is
called the Cheater, do you remember that? Yep?
Speaker 1: The song is playing when he's in the DVD store here,
and this is where he runs into somebody who says,
how you should go check out this movie because you
look just like the guy in the movie, and then
he finds out that he is in the movie or
his double is in the movie, and it's all done
and does it very well. I mean, this is an
amazingly filmed movie because the whole time you're watching it,
you're trying to solve a puzzle that is kind of
in your face. It's kind of obvious what's going on
that the actor is the guy who's who's cheating. Very
adapt yeah, but I's he shot it with this yellowish filter.
It's very bleak, and so the whole thing is very dystopian,
which makes you think that you're watching an end of
the world apocalypse dystopia movie. But it's like the ultimate
psychological thriller slow Burn. And I liked it a lot
better the second third time I watched it, because then
I finally understood what was going on. But it's got
to be a good I mean, we're pretty good movie detectives.
I think we're basically the best movie detectives out there.
I mean, we don't get everything. We're ninety five ninety
eight percent right on our movie detective skills. And so
if there's a movie out there that fools me with
misdirection and clues, and symbols then I appreciated and Enemy
was definitely one of those, and I think it it
proved that Villain, you, Dennis Villain Neeva was gonna be,
you know, a rising star in terms of director. Obviously
he had made those Canadian films that were very famous
in deep films, in Cindy's and whatever the other one is.
But then he does Enemy, and then this leads to
obviously the other big productions. Everybody I'm sure has seen
Dune and Dune too now, but of course he did
Later Runner twenty forty nine. So in my opinion, he's
kind of like surpassing Nolan. I mean, I think Nolan
made great movies. You know, Inception was a great movie.
I think the Dark Batman trilogy is pretty good. You
can criticize elements of it, obviously, but Prestige is great.
All of these up, by the way, will be in
esoterically with three, which I was working on yesterday and today,
and also Donnie Darko will be in there, which we'll
be reviewing. Because when I wrote Donnie Darko Analysis back
in the day, it was about about ten years ago.
Even then I was kind of not really picking. I
got the basics, right, But there's elements of Donny Darko
that I didn't get correct that we will analyze here
in a second that will be in esoterically with three.
But anyway, what do you think about enemy And did
you figure out what was going on or did it
mislead you?
Speaker 2: I don't not really. It wasn't until we were watching
all the different things that were like, oh, that makes
sense because their characters merge and he's like losing it yep,
as a giant spider is taking over the city and
they're swapping girlfriends supposedly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they get this like dead ringers swap thing that
they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: And the wife turns into a giant spider. So I
guess that's a clue about the women and like controlling
in his mom and what is mother Spider Ontario Canada?
Speaker 1: Well, in Canada they have that actual giant spider.
Speaker 2: Oh, like a sculpture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the one that told me where it was.
So this makes sense that villain Villanueva would do this
because he has seen that that thing. And so this
sculpture that you see here is what appears at one
scene in the movie. Very briefly. Now, it's not real,
but it's symbolizing what's going on in his mind. And
if you look at the poster, the poster gives it away.
Speaker 2: Duh, right, yeah, yeah, and oh, I guess because it's
all in his head. M hmm.
Speaker 1: See look at the poster, see the spider walking. Yes,
it's in Jillenhall's head. So all of this is happening
in his head. Right, And so as usual, the poster
oftentimes gives away, right, or the title the poster and
the title of the movie oftimes can give things away.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what else is going on?
Speaker 2: See, he's his own enemy because even when things are
worked out and like the movie has kind of ended
on you know, not like necessarily a super positive note,
but it's like things are resolved, he's then he sees
her as a spider again, and he gets the key
to the underground sex club where he knows he shouldn't go,
and he makes you kind of see on his face like, well,
I'm going to go again. So it's like this never
ending cycle where he you know, the pattern of repeating
itself is his chief.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so all of that philosophy lecturing about history
repeating is his own history, repeating that's the point.
Speaker 2: You can actually went through all this, like his psyche
split and he had to go through like a mental breakdown,
and his loved ones are like worried and all of this.
Like there's accidents, remember like him and the other girl
got in a car accident, and yeah, he almost gets
away with like starting a new but he can't do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he falls back into the same pattern because he's
he can't get out of it. That's the point. So
he's his own he's his own enemy. Is the point.
The enemy is in his mind. It's and it's him.
It's not out there, and there was. It's funny because
there was another movie that came out right at the
same time, very similar to this, which you've not seen.
I've seen it with Jesse Eisenberg and Mia mia Wakowski,
which is The Double and it had the exact same theme,
which is odd because I'm like, what why is a
movie coming out at the same time about the same theme.
And in that one, he has to confront the cool
version of himself with because the cool guy is going
to get the girl right. It's a good movie, and
supposedly I think there's somebody this is based on a
Dostoievsky story.
Speaker 2: Remember when Steve Erkle would become Stefan.
Speaker 1: No, but that sounds like exactly what it is.
Speaker 2: He made a machine, like he was a nerd, and
he made a machine to make.
Speaker 1: Him make him cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, he came out and all the girls would go
and then he liked Max.
Speaker 1: Well, now I got to see what he what he said.
But this is actually a pretty good movie. Here the
double and I don't somebody said it's based on a
dusk If Dostievsky story. I didn't know that, but that
would be interesting to see which one it is. But basically,
he's a nerdy guy in a dystopian world. He likes
me a Wakowska at work, but he's too nerdy for her,
and his double steps in and like starts winning her over.
He's a cool guy and it's a very weird, bizarre,
artsy type of dystopian movie. I liked it, but a
lot of the same themes as Jill and Hall's enemy
villain news. And by the way, yes I forgot somebody
said in the chat, yes he did. Sacario, which is
also an excellent film where the CIA is working together
with certain cartels to traffic drugs with Beniccio and Emily Blunt.
What are you smilling it?
Speaker 2: Somebody said Stefan Erkel.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess is that what it is?
Speaker 2: Steve Erkle becomes Stefan Erkel.
Speaker 1: I never watched Erkele, so I don't. I mean, I
know who he.
Speaker 2: Is, obviously, but yeah, there he is as a cool guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is erk stuff on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there he goes.
Speaker 1: He looks like Arsenio Hall basically. All right. So when
I hear to do Esthotech, although that would be fun,
you did do it. You just did an Esotech Ergle analysis.
What's up next?
Speaker 2: Is that it for night Crawler?
Speaker 1: This is an amazing movie. Wow, I liked it better
the second time I did. Now, if you guys remember
I did a analysis of this ten years ago, so
we're straight up ten year anniversary and I did the
original analysis with Sean Helton of twenty first Century Wire.
I think it's still on my channel. It should be.
It's ten years it's just an audio from back in
the day. But this is a great movie, and so
was Enemy. This is as good as Enemy. It's a
different type of movie. It's a very dark, bleak, psychological
thriller about jobs that probably don't really exist anymore. Stringers.
This is dudes that would pre camera. This is when
people actually paid money for filming of a live news
of it. So this is before everybody having a straight
up smartphone.
Speaker 2: I think of all of these, this is the most
interesting character.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's very spurgy.
Speaker 2: He thinks of everything in transactions and negotiations, so he
has like really no emotional attachment to a lot of things,
which makes him a perfect like weird paparazzi guy because
he gets right in there in the gore and it
doesn't affect him. But he's you can see throughout the
course of the movie he crosses the line into like
sociopath type.
Speaker 1: Well, he gets more and more psychopathic. Yeah, because at
maybe sociopaths a bet is he charming? He's kind of
charming those he might be a psychopath.
Speaker 2: Well, he gets right.
Speaker 1: But what's funny is that every like you said, he's
sort of like the ultimate mega capitalist and he really
I'm serious. Yeah, he realizes that you know, everybody in
the society where he's at. He's in la in twenty fourteen,
and everybody's got fancy shit and he doesn't have it.
He lives in like a crappy apartment. He sees a
security guard with a fancy watch a Rolex or something,
and he basically just walks up to him and punches
him and takes the watch. Right, So he's like, has
no fear. So's he's an interesting character who has absolutely
no fear at all. Never in the entire film does
he show any fear, and he even has some weird
he has like catch phrases that you would see in
like an advertisement, Like he's like the embodiment of advertising
and you know, can't let your fears control you.
Speaker 2: He didn't even have a fear of rejection. It's just like, oh,
you don't like me, well how about if I give
you this?
Speaker 1: And then we like ha yeah, It's like it's the deal, right,
Everything is the art of the deal. So he goes
to this guy and he's like, look, I stole a
bunch of metal pipes. Can I sell it to you?
And the guy's like yeah, buy your your your stolen
metal or whatever, right, and then he's like, how about
a job. And then he starts haggling with this guy
over a job and he has but he has no leverage,
so then he realizes, Okay, I gotta go get more leverage.
And then he happens upon an accident and he sees
Bill Paxton as a stringer, and he's out there and
he's like, eh, buddy, but to sew this does he say?
He's like, well, sell this for a cool gram. And
then he's like, ah, so I can be I can
feed my psychotic desires by being the first at an
accident scene or a crime scene, filming it and then
selling it to the news organizations. Right, And so here's
he's learning from Bill here. And then they become total enemies,
right because everything is strict social Darwinian competition. So he
sees him as his new rival. Bill Paxstam just laughs
at him and makes fun of him all the time,
which just feeds the seething for Jillenhall. Right, and what
I like about the movie is that the character from
the very beginning is psychotic because he, you know, punches
the guard to get the rolex.
Speaker 2: Well, and he's very like delusional about what he's already accomplished.
Like when he tries to get a employee, he's like,
you have He's an opportunity to get in this.
Speaker 1: Ground, right, But he's just he's faking it, and he
makes it because he really he thinks he realizes that's
how all the society works. And what's interesting is that
every character that you meet in the story, except for
maybe the police, who have a very minor role, they
all operate like him. He's just the most viprous. So
he outwits Bill and basically grows his news stringer business
to equal Bill Paxson. Bill Paxon offers him a job
to work with him, and he's like, I don't need you.
I'm gonna I'm gonna be the best in the business
very soon. And Bill Paxxston underestimates the psychopathy of jill
and Hall because Jillen Hall goes and cuts his brakes
so that he wrecks and breaks his neck. Right, it's
like the most ruthless cutthroat. He's basically a spurg version
of Patrick Bateman, is what we said when we were
watching it.
Speaker 2: Well, he's delusional like Michael Scott.
Speaker 1: He's Michael Scott with Patrick Bateman, and he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't believe in fear, so he's drawn to media as
like this narcissist.
Speaker 1: It's the total narcissistic. Yeah, way to feed your ego.
And then it's it's the it's the industry where you
can rise by feeding your ego, even more so than maybe,
I don't know, Hollywood or something. So news media is
that because it's, you know, whatever's the most sensational, whatever's
the most glory or whatever. So he starts listening to
police scanners. He's on every crime scene, every wreck, he's
right there at the beginning, and he's he's like, like
you said, he finds this idiot guy who he ropes
into working for basically nothing, this homeless guy. He gets
the homes gut to do whatever he wants, and he's
always promising him a raise and all this stuff, but
he's never gonna give it right.
Speaker 2: Oh, and he gets worse, like the haggling. If you
do not bargain with him, he'll be like, well, how
about if I just kill you in not so many.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like it's basically he will
keep offering you the deal, and if you don't take it,
he will destroy you. Yeah. And the other thing that's
interesting is that you keep thinking at some point and
he gets more and more reckless. So in a lot
of ways. If you watch the analysis we did last
night with Beslet Analyzer, we were talking about how fearless
and reckless Warren Batty's character is in paralex View, and
this is exactly Jillenhall's character, except the case of Warren Beatty,
he comes to a tragic end. But what's amazing in
this one is that Jillen Hall never gets in trouble,
and in fact, it gets crazier and crazier. It builds
in an excellent way up until this gigantic, insane car
chase scene that he well, yeah, ultimately he's orchestrated it
because he's led the criminals to be at the spot
where he knows the cops will be, and it ends
in this giant car chase which he and he never
shows any fear of stuff society, even to the point
of getting rid of his idiot employee guy uh and
thedio employee guys like he was.
Speaker 2: Just another actor in his yes play.
Speaker 1: And Jillen Hall realizes this when he comes to the
very first crime scene and you see him here staging
the crime scene, so he gets there even before the police,
and he's he's moving the body to make the scene
like he's a director more right, efficacious, more sensational. The
deal that's the most famous Trump book. I'm just saying
he's the ultimate capitalist because in every interaction he sees
it as a business deal, even to the point of
when he wants to sleep with Renee Russo, he says, uh.
He first approaches her and he's like he's he's basically
bargaining and haggling, like with what leverage he has to
get her to go on a date. And she's like,
I'm not interested. And he's like, well, what if I
do this and this and this and then bring you
this footage and you just go to me, go to
dinner with me? And she's like all right whatever. And
then like as his company grows and as he gets
more and more psychotic, you keep thinking he's going to fail,
but he actually succeeds it every single thing he does.
That's the crazy part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because of his psychopath ways he gets her in
the end because she's psycho too.
Speaker 1: Well, what we find out is that, yeah, he's perfect
for media because kind of like I don't know, maybe
the Nicole Kidman character and to die for. Yeah, right,
Renee Russo is just this sort of psychotic she gets
off on the ratings and the violence, and this is
socialism as much as he does.
Speaker 2: And that the channel it's channel six and then like
on the Tower they show it several times a sixty six.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, so yeah, there could be this sort of
satanic symbolism there in the numbers. Yeah, because I mean,
if you think about leves philosophy, right, LaVey's philosophy is
pure social Darwinism, right, I mean that's exactly what Jillen
Hall is here, right, And.
Speaker 2: The TV is a satanic altar reason, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: You want to read that super chat. We've got a
couple more here, Storm.
Speaker 2: The Cat, Storm the Cat. Did you know that Nagasaki
and Hiroshima are on the thirty third degree latitude and
so is the test site in New Mexico. Also, Harry
Truman became a thirty third degree for Mason shortly after this,
and also Dallas, Texas, where JFK died on a thirty
third degree latitude.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Paul Fisher's book, Who's a Catholic Dude on Masonry
talks about the Truman stuff in Nagasaki, and then Michael
Hoffman's books talk about the latitude and all that for
Trinity site and all that. You want to read that
one I.
Speaker 2: Had Toola KAMENI three dollars In Nightcrawler, Jillen Hall kind
of looks like Richard Ramirez a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's a good point. Yeah, he has this kind
of like longer flip hair going on.
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that soccer night Crawler.
Speaker 1: Great point. Yeah, so there probably is a subtle Richard
Ramirez reference here, because Ramirez definitely liked the spotlight, right.
He loved when all the cameras are on Hi because
he would always flash his Pentagram whenever the cameras were flashing.
That's a great point. Look through the notes to make
sure we don't let me pull that up.
Speaker 2: While you do that, I can't read. We're down to
that art of the deal. Every relationship is art of
the deal.
Speaker 1: It's a contractual agreement for capital gain or pleasure something.
Speaker 2: Bill Pakiston's truck.
Speaker 1: Sabotage is Bill Paxton's truck. He's on site for the
home invasion. He beats the police there. Oh, The New
interestingly becomes more and more like a horror movie, like
the way that they're selling you know, they're like Horror
in the Valley or something like that, and it's like
a horror movie.
Speaker 2: Well, and her colleagues are like, you can't air this.
Speaker 1: And she's like yes, She's like, yes I can, and
yes we will.
Speaker 2: And he's getting more so they're feeding into each renews
and Jill and Haller feeding into each other's like gore
fetish and money shock job. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And she actually in one scene gets turned on when
he talks about what footage she has, so she's into
it just like he is. So he basically has He
definitely has the dark triad traits to the extreme. Again,
he's like he's like a Patrick Bateman for sure. And
then do you remember what he says, I don't like people.
He says that multiple he's at least once, or he's like,
I just don't like people. He's like, did you ever
think about the fact that maybe I just don't like people.
There's also an OJ element to this, right, with creating
crazy events, like when he does the gigantic car chase, right,
it's very OJ style and it becomes basically this is
it here when he's like he has to buy this
crazy dodge or whatever it is to drive fast enough
to get to all of these res or whatever. And
so basically it's the most insane OJ style chase ever
with the criminals, and he films the whole thing, but
it's all engineered through him because he's the one that's
sent the cops, or sent both the cops and the criminals.
He follows the assassin killer guys right to the restaurant,
calls the cops out the restaurant, so there will be
a big public scene on purpose. What's next?
Speaker 2: So Nightcrawlers two Prisoners, which was pretty dark.
Speaker 1: Prisoner is one of the darkest movies that you'll see.
But we're also back again to Dennis Villanueva. So and
this was a big hit.
Speaker 2: Actually this was venue, Is that correct? The Prisoner is
twenty thirteen. Starts with the Lord's prayer and Dad is
teaching the son how to hunt.
Speaker 1: So you got Wolverine who is a prepper, right who
Hugh Jackman. He's a prepper and he's a evangelical of
some kind.
Speaker 2: This one's good because you think he's crazy, but it
turns out he's not right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another good deflection going on here because villain
Ava makes you think that you're going this is literally
you're going to just hate the Hugh Jackman character. And
I remember when I first watched it in the theater
when it came out, I'm like, here we go. They're
gonna make the Christian be this, you know, horrible villain,
any kind of a little bit is. But what's interesting
is that every character in this movie in ways has flaws.
There's no really good I mean, they're all good, but
they're flawed good, whether it's Jillen Hall or whether it's
Hugh Jackman. Right, And so I think the best part
of this movie is first of all, the how real
it is. There's nothing in this movie that is in
any way not seemingly real, Like this could definitely be
the way that a child kid n a pp I
in g ring would happen and has happened.
Speaker 2: This one's scary because the reasoning behind what they're doing
is so evil and chaotic real.
Speaker 1: Again, this is what committed actual Satanists to take their
belief seriously, Like they actually do believe that doing evil
actions or the more horrendous evil actions are a war
on God and helps to make people no longer theis
do you remember, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: Hugh Jackman's family and what's that guy's name? Is talking
about physics. Now the black dad.
Speaker 1: In this movie, oh, Terrence Howard, Right, So genius, mystical,
mystical black science man. Right, he's going on black theosophy man.
Terrence Howard is the other father contra Hugh Jackman in
the film, and he doesn't have the I mean, when
Hugh Jackman loses the kid, he loses it, I mean,
and Terrence Howard is kind of like had a time.
Speaker 2: So two perfect families, one black and one white, each
lose a girl to a creeper van.
Speaker 1: In the name right, and Paul Dano is in the van,
of course, and it's parked in front of the house
we later find out where Paul Dano was kidnapped from.
Speaker 2: And the creeper's name is Alex Jones.
Speaker 1: This was odd. I remember at the time when the
movie came out, Alex talked about this and Alex was like, folks,
is not an accident that they put a pedophile creeper
with my name, folks, purpose well know it come on right,
which could be the case. I'm not sure who wrote
the screenplay, but anyway, Yeah, there's again, just like with enemy.
There's great misdirection in this movie, which which makes you
think that first you think, if you never watched it,
then maybe don't listen to this, because it is a
very wild inten it's crazy psychological thriller with a little
bit of the satanic going on and some mkilt my control.
For sure, you think that, okay, maybe it's Hugh Jackman,
that's the dad that's actually behind this, and then you
start to think, no, it actually has to be Paul
Dano because of the things that he's whispering and saying.
Right then you start to think, well, maybe actually Jake
Gillenhalls involved in this, because he's this weird, you know,
detective and he's got a tick that he has. It's
both eyes, he goes, it's just a double tick that
he does. He's also got a Masonic ring that he wears,
which is odd. He's got tattoos like he was in
the military or might have been part of like a
mercenary squad. Well it looks like like military, like Black
Ops type of squad or something. He mentions too when
they talk about the priest, which I had never noticed
in the previous viewings. When he goes to investigate the priest.
He had just mentioned that he was working down his
sex offender list. So he goes to a Roman Callolic
priest who's on the sex offender list, and Jake's, you know,
rummaging around. He snuck into his house and the priest
has passed out drunk, and then he finds a body
in the basement and now you think the priest is
behind it. There's there's brilliant misdirections from every direction, which
is again what makes this movie really really good. But
it's very dark. I have to warn you, like it's
not there's not really I guess the one that it
is gritty. I mean when they're beating up Paul Dano
when they have him hidden in the abandoned apartment, that's
pretty gruesome. But other than that, it's not really violent.
It's just very uh it's very intense, very dark movie.
Speaker 2: But and there's also a third creep, yes.
Speaker 1: And so we then we get this other guy who
shows up and we're starting to think, oh, this is
some kind of ring that's going on. And if you've
seen that, then you know the symbolism is obvious for
the maze.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's labyrinth pendant and then labyrinth at the house.
Speaker 1: What's interesting though about the couple who ends up being
behind all this is that we know they're committed Satanists,
but we don't ever have it stated that they're Satanists, right,
But they're using all the techniques of like Luciferian satanic
mind control. So they're kidnapping children because they believe that
this is waging a war on God. I mean, that's
like the most satanic thing you could do. But they
never mentioned that they're Satanists or that it's a satanic thing.
Speaker 2: Right. It turns out Paul Danna was the first victim
they ever took and raised him, and he was like
slow boying.
Speaker 1: Now, well, that's because they have perfected a technique of brainwashing.
Oh and they use LSD and ketamine in a big
thing of grape kool aid and they make you the
jug and then they throw you in a tunnel maze,
which traumatizes you.
Speaker 2: And they made Wolverine drink the hippie hooch.
Speaker 1: Right, Wolverine has to drink the hooch and trip out,
and that's kind of his prison time. But basically everybody
is some kind of prisoner. The Satanists are prisoners to
their hate and they end up meeting a bad end.
We find out, of course, that the guy in the
priest's basement was the evil Granny's former husband, who had
confessed to the priest that he was the Satanic ring
leader who was kidnapping and killing them, and he has
a labyrinth necklace that he wears that becomes something that
Jake Dyllon Hall regrets seeing because he should have noticed
it earlier. It's kind of like, like, how are you
not paying attention to the symbols on the body that
you found? Its weird, like, like you find this guy
who's he's written a labyrinth all over the this abandoned house,
and you think he's the cit the killer, and then
you don't remember the guy who was in the basement
with a labyrinth necklace. I mean, you know, you would
think you would make these connections. But we find out
that there was a book at the apartment that he
was reading, the one of the suspected criminals, and it
was about the an FBI guy who had written a
book about the Invisible Killer, and the Invisible Killer was
in fact who Jake Jollenhall was about to uncover. The
guy in the basement whose wife is now running the
ring the crazy Granny. So long story short, Clearly there's
a satanic element because the Grandma is not just using drugs,
she's using ketamine and LSD to brainwash the children by
throwing them in the tunnel maze. I mean, in ways,
this is kind of like darker than True Detective even, right,
But she's also utilizing this maze imagery because she tell
she tells the children that if you solve the may
you can get out, and ultimately they never get out
because you never solve the maze, So you're a prisoner
inside the maze. The maze is a satanic mind control
prison for the satanic Grandma, but for the other characters,
they're also prisoners as well. Jake Gillenhall seems to be
a prisoner of his work or his own ego or
something like that, because he's never lost a case. He's
solved every case. There's never been a case he hasn't solved.
But he's about to not solve this one, right. Hugh
Jackman is a prisoner of his fear in his relationship
to his father, because it's revealed that his father was
a prison guard who committed who unlived himself, and so
that I think we're supposed to think led him to
become this extreme fundamentalist prepper who has this anger and
fear about the world and that's what motivates him to
kidnap Paul Dano and to beat him and to try
to utilized you know, bush Era t O R t
U R E measures right, and maybe me think of
bush Yeah, I mean this is post bush Era, but
it made me think of that. But as a committee evangelical,
if you follow bush right, it makes sense that he
would have like he probably would have thought that these
are justifiable measures if I if I think Paul Dano
is the one that did it right. So in a way,
you could say, and the mom is interesting too, because
she's completely ineffectual. She just lays there taking pills. Yeah,
and she just lays in the bed and nothing she does.
She does nothing and just complains about how everyone else
is not finding the daughter when she doesn't do anything.
The brother is a minor character, but is also a
prisoner of his fear. I guess you could say I'm
the fear and love line, remember the fear and love
line in Donny Darko. But Basically the characters are in
their own prisons, so to speak, which just like an enemy.
Jillen Hall is a prisoner in his mind. But this
is a very dark but also very revelatory film with
again the trafficking and the Satanic cult stuff in the background.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the lady at the end is explaining why
she does it and doesn't even look like it's for money,
but she says, making children disappears the war we wage
with God. It makes people lose their faith and turns
them in a demon.
Speaker 1: So they see it as a spiritual battle basically, and
they believe that, she says, because we used to be
evangelicals who handed out tracks and flyers, and she said,
when we lost our son to cancer, we realize that
God is a thing that has to be warred against
because there is no God, and you know, we're going
to destroy faith in God basically, And so they do
that by disappearing children and making hippie hooch and using
insane hippie hooch.
Speaker 2: Wine ants are bad hippie hoo How.
Speaker 1: About satan at Grandma's handing out ketamine kool aid? To
you that's the worst. Yeah, But anyway, very dark movie,
but also excellent film.
Speaker 2: And John Hall did good with his squints and he
got shot in the head and he still saved the day.
Speaker 1: So yes, So maybe Jalen Hall is a prisoner of
his Masonic belief system that he needed to get out of.
Oh I'm just speculating, but that seems like too based
of a message for a Hollywood movie. I don't know,
what do you think?
Speaker 2: Are you ready for Donny Darko?
Speaker 1: So we're gonna come, yeah to the final selection, which
again kind of a anniversary because one of the first
esoteric analyzes I did was Donnie Darko on on Jay's
Analysis what Over ten years ago, and so it was
a lot of fun, I have to say, going back
ten years later and watching Donnie Darko. Now, I know
Donnie Darko didn't come out in ten years ago, but
I'm saying that when I wrote the big analysis, it
was around twenty thirteen or fourteen. It was one of
the first long analyses I wrote on my website. So
to go back and watch this after I probably haven't
seen Donny dark on time.
Speaker 2: And this is this one that actually needs an analysis
like an Esotke analysis for you to understand everything in it.
Speaker 1: Correct because when it came out and when I watched
it again. So I watched it when it came out
obviously in two thousand and one, and then when I
rewatched it for writing the analysis. Even then, I didn't
really understand what was going on in this movie. And
a lot of people complained at the time because the trailers,
when the old trailers came out for this, it was
built in the trailer like a horror movie. It's not
a horror movie. And so a lot of people were
disappointed in the movie that they actually got psychological thrill.
And it's like it's an it's an homage to the eighties,
and it's also really comedic. So there's a lot of
funny moments. There's a lot of you know, because in
the eighties we think about back to the future, a
lot of time travel, you know, that's the that's an
eighties theme. And so Richard Kelly, the director, you know,
he just basically wanted to pay homage to all the
things that he liked about the eighties and eighties movies.
And I've I grew up in the eighties, so I
really appreciated it. You have Tears for Fears on the soundtrack.
I mean it's it's great.
Speaker 2: You reminded me that Jake Jillenhall also does comedic roles
pretty well, like Bubble Boy. Have you seen that.
Speaker 1: I've not watched it, but I've seen that he.
Speaker 2: Does Slow Boy pretty well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good he's good at comedic roles. There's
a lot of really funny moments and Donnie Darko it's
more of a it's more of a comedy than you
would think. And that's again like eighties movies. Eighties movies
would have, you know, back to the Future would have
a sci fi time travel theme, but also a lot
of comedic moments where Marty and Doc are doing goofy stuff.
Speaker 2: Mody so Quit.
Speaker 1: And forgot. Seth Rogan's in it in a minor role
as one of the bullies.
Speaker 2: This takes place during Halloween times, right.
Speaker 1: So it's nineteen eighty that we came up with a
what eighty four or five something because Bush is okay
eighty eight because Bush is on TV debating Ducaucus and
Donny Darko's dad is over there sitting and he's bitching
about Docucas.
Speaker 2: Right, So ultimately this movie is about fate versus free Will.
Speaker 1: In part yeah, right, yep, and fate up against you. Well,
like the echo in the Monyman song, which is on
the soundtrack.
Speaker 2: Oh do you like the soundtrack?
Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah, this was a huge soundtrack. Everybody I
load it? Did you like can you sing that all
around me are familiar? Please?
Speaker 2: Sis?
Speaker 1: Worn out faces? Warna like? Find it kind of funny,
find it kind of set. I don't like that song,
but it fits the final sequence, of course. But I
have to say reviewing this, this is an excellent movie.
It's almost almost a perfect movie. I have to say,
Donnie Darko held up excellently and I was more impressed.
And I feel like it's it's probably one of the
top twenty five best movies ever made. Actually actually wow, Yeah,
it's in the top twenty five or fifty for sure.
It's really good. So and also I appreciated Richard Kelly.
I mean, people after Donnie Darko, I mean, this is
what made Jake Jillen Hall famous, right, this was his
breakout role. People thought Richard Kelly was gonna be like
the next thing, like the next big director, and he
got you know, two or you got three big kind
of you know Hollywood movies and they didn't do well,
and so I haven't kept up with Richard, but I
mean this show, he showed so much promise, and then
we got The Box and everybody hates The Box. I
actually liked The Box. I think it's a great movie.
There's a lot of deep philosophical themes going on, much
like Donnie Darko. Everybody hates The Box though, because well,
I guess they have their own reasons. I still think
it's a creepy movie.
Speaker 2: What do you think I thought Box was creepy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I like a lot of the themes going on.
I like the you know, weird alien visitors, demon visitors
with Franklin Gella. I like that that everybody's being baptized
into this weird mind control thing. There's this Sartre and
existentialist themes. There's all kinds of weird, crazy stuff going
on in The Box, which I liked, but nobody liked
it for the most part. And then South Land Tails,
which I think is good as well, but that was
a lot more like Donnie Darko. People found it so
weird and kind of surrealist and absurdist. Remember Timberlake scene
where he's dancing and you're tripping out watching and you
got the Rock going on this kind of Donnie Darko
style journey to try to figure out like what's going on,
and there's time travel in a balloon and quantum dimension. Shit,
it was just too out there. It's even more out
there than Donny Darko. So people didn't really like Southland
Tails than Domino with this was at the height of
Dog the bounty Hunter popularity, so they got the idea
to make Kira Knightley into a bounty hunter, which is
just so just ridiculous. Nobody liked Domino. It was a
big flop. And so I don't know that Richard Kelly
has done much else. If he has, haven't kept up.
But what do you what do you think about these?
Donnie Darko the best for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of all the ones, you just.
Speaker 1: What do you think about South Entails? Did you like it?
Remember it has Buffy in it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too confusing. I can't remember the thread of it.
Speaker 1: Well, what's weird about Donnie Darko is that it's also
extremely confusing. Yeah, I mean it's weird because you're can
enjoy it without figuring it out. Because everybody enjoys the movie.
I think very few people have really paid attention to
go and figure it out. But they actually made a
website with a lot of Donnie Darko lore that goes
along with it, which is supposed to be ROBERTA. Sparrow's
philosophy of time but on the internet, and yeah, that
actually helps you understand what's going on. So there actually
is this kind of coherent narrative and it has to
do with Donnie Darko when he decides not to die, right,
he doesn't want to die because this engine has fallen
out of a jet. It's going to crush him in
his bedroom. He decides not to die.
Speaker 2: Subconscious leads him out, so.
Speaker 1: He goes into a yeah, into an alternate dimension where
he sees the effects of him not dying. And so
this is a summary of the film. It is, it's
it's it's very much like that. It's got elements back
to the future, a lot of other films in it,
for sure. But he sees the consequences of not dying, Yeah,
and he thinks, well, I'm gonna I'm out for me.
I want to I want to survive. I want to
I want to live. But then he realizes that actually,
my if I if I accept this as my time
to go. It's actually better for everyone, and it was
my time to go, which is interesting because time travel
movies don't usually deal with the idea that, well, what
if it was your time to go? And what if
it was better for you to go ahead and die?
Speaker 2: Right? What do you think about her reading the book?
Speaker 1: It there's a lot of eighties so there's other eighties
references in here. So is that the mom's reading it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the mom is reading it. The dad is
obsessed with the geopolitical questions of Bush and Dacaccus, and oh.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, sister is rebelling and saying she's going
to be a demotra.
Speaker 1: She's going to vote for Dacaucus, and uh, the mom's
you know, and it's Maggie Jillenhall is playing Jake's sister,
his real sister, right.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And the mom's like, oh, is docaucas going to pay
for your college when we send you to Harvard? And
she's like, yeah, he will. And uh. The daughter, interestingly,
you think that she's not really a very important role,
but the daughter is important because she's going to end
up dead as well. So it's not just in this
alternate dimension that Donnie has chosen where he doesn't die.
Speaker 2: His girlfriend dies, his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Jenna Malane's gonna die, who he falls in love with,
the guy that Maggie Jillenhall's dating, will die, who is
actually the guy with the rabbit costume. Yeah, the mom
will die and whose lit the sister will die.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if he goes out of the timeline that
is set, then chaos starts to happen, like it breaks
down the universe sort of, right, Well, the.
Speaker 1: So if you glitch into these other universes where you
don't die, then what happens is you there's a limited
amount of time before that universe collapses because it's not
a stable universe.
Speaker 2: Right, and it's just like a tangent.
Speaker 1: It's a tangent universe they call it in the story, right,
and it has a limited amount of time for stability
before it collapses. That's why at the very beginning of
the film, you keep hearing this this you have you
know in twenty six Days the whirldwind right, the voice
is saying that, and when it says they made me
do it, this is essentially the spirits of the persons
who in up dead essentially telling Donnie, like, you need
to accept that you were the one that was supposed
to die, right. So the lesson that Donnie learns in
this alternate unstable dimension is that he shouldn't have worshiped
himself and chosen what was best for him, but that
the people that he loves, he could give his life
for them and it would be better in the long run.
That's what he learns. So what's interesting I never noticed
is that he's a christ figure and it's actually referenced
multiple times in the movie. There's multiple Christ references about Donnie.
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, what do you think about how Drew Barrymore.
It's talking about Graham Green, the British intelligence.
Speaker 1: This relates to this dimension that's created. So basically, when
they're talking about the Grand Green novel, the discussion is
in the Creator the Destructors, death and destruction are a
form of life, right, that's the discussion that they have,
and Donnie says something like maybe they just wanted to
see the world burn or they just wanted to mess
with stuff, because you know, death is like a form
of life or creation or whatever. So Donnie's death is
actually a form of creation because it's the death that
gives life to the family members who end up not dying.
We see.
Speaker 2: And then he you said, Grandma Death is in a
time loop, so he doesn't want to end up Is
she in a tangent universe?
Speaker 1: Also, she's the one So it's this is kind of
the weird theosophy element because Grandma Death. Robert Sparrow used
to be a nun, and the private school where Donnie
attends is kind of loosely Catholic, or at least we
get the impression that had some relationships because there's these
nuns that used to run it. And so she has
just figured out that, no, the Catholic churches you is
not the real metaphysical view. There's this quantum stuff going on.
There's angels or spirits and their souls, which is what
that gooey stuff is that comes out of his people's
soul and their volition. That you can see their will,
their will and their intention and their soul. And so
she's figured out that reality is kind of this quantum thing,
and so she writes this book to the philosophy of
time travel, and she has seen and understood what's actually
going on. So she functions as this kind of Sage character,
who is the key ultimately to Donnie figuring out everything,
because when Donnie reads her book, he figures out that, oh,
I'm in a tangent universe. Everything's unstable. And even the
other thing too, is that he's gaining powers in this universe.
What do you remember that, like, he has these powers
and which the movie doesn't. This is one flaw in
the movie that doesn't make clear is that in the
end seque once when he takes Jennam alone out into
the four on the top of that hill, when they
see the portal that's opening up, he telekinetically enters the portal,
which you're supposed to know. I don't know how you're
supposed to know this, but that's the most confusing element,
which is that Donnie and Jennam alone they do enter
the portal and that restores everything back to normal.
Speaker 2: What about the Patrick Squeezy character. That was interesting the Pediou.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is interesting because you have the rise of
self help in the late eighties and that's replacing the
elements of the Catholic school that they're at, and.
Speaker 2: They're very crulty about it too, like the teacher is
the one setting it up and getting Patrick Swayzey to
come give his speech about fear and Love, which is
funny because that went around Austin in like two thousand
and eight. Like, I don't know if anybody out there
has heard of the Handbook for the New Paradigm, but
this was like a new age thing, and like one
of them was called Hambo for the New Paradigm. Another
one was called Embracing the Rainbow. But basically they were
like little booklets that you could give out to multiple
people talking about there's only two choices, fear and love,
and you have to go on the spectrum towards love
and not you know, like that sell Gurustuff.
Speaker 1: Well, there's another key to Donnie being a Christ figure
in that when he confronts Jim Cunningham at the talk
that he gives, he says, I think they're the anti Christ,
and everybody in the audience goes, and that makes Donnie
a Christ figure, right. And as Donnie is gaining these powers, right,
he has precognition, He has the ability to you know,
go in and destroy the school plumbing and not be
detected or seen or known. He's gaining these powers, right,
he can see people's will and intention, and so we're
supposed to realize that, wait a minute, it there must
be this must be some kind of other universe, because
why would Donnie start having these these powers, these telekinetic
abilities and powers. And then we figure out that it
is an alternate universe. And another one of the keys
to understanding this is the invention that he and Jennam
alone come up with, which is, what if you could
invent these glasses for a baby that takes away all
of your bad memories and programs them again with good memories.
In other words, what if all the bad stuff that
you had done and that you had seen could all
be erased and you could start over. That's a clue
that you don't pick up until you really pay attention
that Donnie's in another alternate tangent universe. And what he
has to learn is that all of the things that
he thinks he wants to be this hero, to be
the savior, to be the guy with superpowers, right because
in this very scene, she says something to him like
Donnie Darko sounds like a superhero, and he says, how
do you know, I'm not?
Speaker 2: That's so true, And that's like a classic adolescent boy
fantasy who is like save your girlfriend, save your family,
save your school.
Speaker 1: Right. But what's interesting is that it's not the way
that he thinks. It's not the way that oh, I'm
gonna have like you know, superpowers. I'm gonna go bust
the you know, pipes at the high school. I'm gonna
go beat up the bad guys and the bullies. It's no,
it's a self sacrificial death. That's how you become a hero.
Speaker 2: What about his therapist that does some kind of like hypnosis,
like mk ultra hypnosis. She has masks on the wall.
And then darko is like darkness which is the subconscious,
which is the psyche developing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like in this tangent universe that Donnie's,
it's kind of like in his own mind or in
his soul. So it's a real tangent universe, but it's
connected to his subconscious because everything that he's talking to
the psychiatrist about and what they're discussing is keys and
clues that let you know that not only is Donnie
going to die and the world going to end in
twenty eight days, it already ended. The world ended at
the very beginning of Donnie Darko when the engine crashed
on Donnie Darko, and in that split second, Donnie Darko
chose a different alternate universe where it's sort of like,
what would you think if you were a seventeen year
old and a jet engine was about to crash on
your house. You would think, wait a minute, my life
has just begun. I haven't had a chance to be
a hero yet. I'm supposed to go out and do this.
I'm supposed to go I don't even have a girlfriend
right now. I haven't done all these things. So it's
like the thing that your mind would create, the universe
your mind would create if you were a seventeen year
old and you felt like, hey, I didn't get a chance.
I haven't done anything yet, right. And that's what the
discussion with the psychiatrist is about, is like she's pulling
out of Donnie. What Donnie kind of already knows is
the truth, which is that he died. You think, I mean,
I could be wrong on that, you guys, if you
guys think I'm wrong about that. The one thing I
don't know about the section when he's talking to a
psychiatrist is that twice they show a picture of a
woman on the wall, and I don't know who the
woman is. Are we supposed to think it's ROBERTA. Sparrow
or who is is this something?
Speaker 2: So they're talking about Stephen Hawckey Brief History of Time,
the philosophy of time travel by ROBERTA. Sparrow, which is
the Grandma death. And then we wrote the psychiatrist represents
his rational side to get through to him. Yeah, daylight, hallucination,
hypnosis and meds. So he's already.
Speaker 1: But do you remember she later tells him that I
didn't ever give you any meds. It's all placebosh. So
he was never actually on meds. It was all placebos.
Speaker 2: And this was the thing in the eighties, just starting
too therapy.
Speaker 1: Therapy and yeah, pharmaceuticals. Yeah, And of course his boomer
Republican parents are just like whatever you say, right. This
is actually a great scene because she's like, well, I
want to up his doses or something like that, he
needs more therapy, and oh she said, I want to
try hypnosis, which like all that comes out of MK
Ultra and the parents are just like yeah, yeah, whatever
you say right, Like no, you know, red flags or
suspicions at all, right.
Speaker 2: And he's kind of the I don't know, the outlier
of the family, like the one that doesn't fit. Like
he's the one that disrupts dinner. He's the one with
like behavioral problems at the dinner table member. And so
if he's removed and everybody's problems are solved almost in
this dynamic, Remember.
Speaker 1: Why would the problems be solved? I mean you mean
because the parents are having to sink money into the
psychiatrist or what I mean, And.
Speaker 2: Like how he disrupted everything at dinner.
Speaker 1: I just think, but he's just a normal teenager, ye,
who's an outsider and alone. He's like a Lloyd Dobbler
type of character, Like just an outsider. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What do you make of how they're not allowed to
talk about God?
Speaker 1: Well that's the school, which was previously a Catholic school,
has moved in the direction of no longer really being
affiliated with Roman Catholicism or shanity because they now the
self righteous pe teacher teaches self help. She's all into
Jim Cunningham. Right, there's no more nuns at the school.
There's no more nuns at the school, right, So it's
no longer religious private school. It's a quasi religious private
school and they've adopted self help. But the irony, of course,
is that the guy running the self help stuff is
a total pe d oh. That's the crazy part, which
is interesting.
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Speaker 2: Iyatola Kameni five dollars. It kind of seems like all
the happenings and his obsessions are very schizophrenic and Donnie
Darko two. It's sad if it's a metaphor for that
spiral where people are trying to grasp at morality and
rationale from the bleakness of their discernment of reality.
Speaker 1: This is a good point. I forgot to mention that
they do say that Donnie might be schizo when he
first is going to the psychiatrist. The parents and Donnie
and the psychiatrist think he might might be that because
he's hearing this voice that tells him that the world's
going to end, and that you know he's supposed to
you know, sleep walks, he dissociates. So there is this
kind of potential you know, union psychology MK ultra stuff
going on, because like the invention that he and Genlemalone
come up with isn't just to like brainwash babies to
make them happy. It's also to put good memories in
so it's to implant fake memories. Basically, so, I mean,
they don't have malicious intent, but it's sort of like,
it's an odd invention to think that let's put let's
put good memories that are fake into a baby's mind
so that it erases all the bad stuff. But it
is kind of the yeah, exactly, but it is kind
of what teenagers would come up with, right. A teenager
would think that's a good idea for an invention, right.
Speaker 2: Like, well, and then though one of them teachers makes
a note about how maybe darkness is necessary and that's
a very psychological theory.
Speaker 1: No, that's part of the message to Donnie. Right, So
Donnie and Jenna come up with the idea of erasing
all the bad stuff, and it's Noah Wiley the professor,
the guy professor who says, well, did you ever think
or is it Drew Barrymore that says that the darkness
is necessary?
Speaker 2: I think it was the guy.
Speaker 1: The guy professor says did you ever think? Yeah, because
when they present their invention about the baby brainwash, he says, well,
did you ever think about the fact that maybe darkness
is necessary for infants to mature? Meaning then darkness Donnie darko, like,
what if that's necessary? Also for you to mature in virtue,
like to go through difficult times. Right, And that's the
whole master of the movie that Donnie needs to learn
that there's a place for the things that the novels
have already revealed to you. The Grand Green novel told
you that there's a place for and a time for death,
and for an end and for struggles. Right. So then, oh,
another element of him being a christ figure.
Speaker 2: He's an avenging angel, right.
Speaker 1: So they made him do it, meaning that he's he's
the one ultimately that reveals that Jim Cunningham's a fraud.
Speaker 2: And they he overcomes three temptations just.
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't them.
Speaker 2: Well he's supposed to. He comes up against them and
he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a christ like figure. He's not exactly Christ, right,
So he's given three the drugs he does that, Yeah,
he's given. So Jim Cunningham says that teenagers today are
living as prisoners of fear and and they succumb to
the three temptations of drugs, alcohol, and sex. Well, in
the movie, Donnie Darko succumbs to all three temptations. So
he is a christ like figure, but he fails. But
even though he fails at the three temptations because we
all do as human beings, we don't pass, and we
are not perfect, we are sinners. He still ends up
being a christ like sacrificial lamb figure.
Speaker 2: Was the last enteation of the Christ on the Marquee
it is.
Speaker 1: That's another sign that even though it's a blasphemous movie.
When Donnie Darko leaves the movie theater after he sees
the portal, which is interesting, the portal shows up in
Evil Dead, which is odd. When you see the clock
in Evil Dead. That's when Donnie sees the portal. And
when he walks out of the theater, you see above
him that the other movie that's playing his last Temptation
of Christ. And that's just showing you that Donnie is
a christ like figure.
Speaker 2: What he he did it he got the timeline back right.
Speaker 1: So when he dies, everything kind of resets, and then
you have this famous in sequence where that crappy song is.
Speaker 2: Playing, sing it again all around.
Speaker 1: Me, and Donnie Darko's laughing because he realized that it's
all kind of absurd and he you know, he was
supposed to die. Is the point, and the darkness is
in a sense, in a relative sense necessary. It's not
ultimately necessary, but it's sub conscious. You could definitely give this.
You could definitely give this to Jordan Peterson, Jordie Darko.
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