WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.320 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites, so like to subscribe and 3 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:16.199 raid it live Stary and me. 4 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:23.600 Righteous go on yes today and listening watching Lin always 5 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:29.199 keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and 6 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:30.399 James boogle Fay. 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:33.280 All right, Well that brings us to our guests this evening. 8 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:37.039 We are blessed with getting the man himself, the king 9 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:41.079 of the big Foot podcast, Wes Germer from Sasquatch Chronicles. 10 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:42.880 He's been a huge help to us. He's helped us 11 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:45.359 get our show off the ground and give us advice 12 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:49.159 and just super generous this time and knowledge. And again 13 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.399 he's coming with you for us beat on the show today, 14 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:52.479 So welcome to Wes. 15 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.799 Welcome Wes. Hey, guys, thanks for having me on. I 16 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:57.880 really appreciate it all pleasure. 17 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:00.960 Yeah, thank you for coming on. It's been a long 18 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:04.000 time coming between our schedules and your schedule to finally 19 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:06.280 have you on as a guest, and we're just thrilled 20 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:06.599 about it. 21 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:09.920 So thank you. Yeah. First things first, Cliff, how's my 22 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:10.480 dog doing? 23 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:15.200 Our dog is doing fine? Yeah, did I talk about 24 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:18.640 that on the podcast? Who our listeners know, Yeah, West 25 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:20.400 fell in love with Sochi, and I mean, who I 26 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:22.560 mean to know Sochi is to love her. 27 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:23.920 So that's how you can. 28 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:26.000 You can always tell if somebody knows has ever met 29 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:27.359 her because they love her. 30 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:28.400 Yeah. 31 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:31.519 So, yeah, she's doing great. She's she's I say it 32 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:33.159 all the time, but I wish they could be old 33 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:36.400 dogs longer. She's just perfect. She lays around all the time, 34 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:39.079 super Stoked needs super Stoked to go outside for the 35 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:43.439 smallest of walks. She's absolutely fantastic. She asked about you too, 36 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:45.239 so whatever that's worth. 37 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:48.959 Yeah, she's easy to fall in love with, that's for sure. 38 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:51.519 And it's so cool that you guys. You know, I 39 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:54.599 really like your guys' podcast because it's so different. You know, 40 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:58.159 sometimes you guys tackle different subjects. Sometimes you guys have 41 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:02.560 guests on. I like the Variety and the show. And 42 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:06.560 you know, even with my show being Sessquatch Chronicles, amlingly 43 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:10.800 interview eyewitnesses, and I don't think I'd quite have the 44 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:13.719 show if it weren't for you guys doing finding Bigfoot, 45 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:16.439 you know, with the whole I know, you guys get 46 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:19.520 a crap for finding Bigfoot, but really it was the 47 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:24.319 start of bringing eyewitnesses forward, you guys going out doing 48 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:27.360 the investigations. You guys really were the first ones to 49 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:28.840 start that. Well, I don't know. 50 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:30.159 I mean, I m'd be giving us a little bit 51 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:31.960 too much credit, but we certainly did bring it to 52 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:34.879 the public. I think put it into the public scrutiny 53 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.400 for a little while. And you know, it's surprising we 54 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:39.319 don't get as much crap as you would think for 55 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.639 finding Bigfoot. Some of the Bigfooters like to flick poop 56 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.000 at us, you know, but I mean that's because they 57 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.479 weren't on TV. You know, they don't get it, and 58 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:49.400 there were some hokey things about it and stuff. I 59 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:52.840 totally get that for the most part. But by and large, 60 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:55.080 you know, the show and I don't think any of 61 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:58.120 us as cast members on Finding Bigfoot really understood this 62 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:01.000 right at least at first, you know, it sank and 63 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:05.400 eventually Bigfooters were not the target audience, you know, the 64 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.759 target audience or the general public who doesn't know anything 65 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:09.919 about it and kind of introducing them to this whole thing. 66 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:12.800 Bigfooters all have an opinion, but they also all have 67 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.800 buttholes and they all stink too, So like it doesn't 68 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:18.400 matter what they say. 69 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:21.439 Yeah, it's so true. You know, it's kind of curious. 70 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:25.280 One thing I wanted to ask all three of you, Matt, Bobo, 71 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:25.759 and Cliff. 72 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:27.199 Wait, wait, who's only interviewing here? 73 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:27.560 Buddy? 74 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:29.479 Whose show is this? 75 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:31.280 Anyway? I apologize, you're right. 76 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:33.759 No, no, no, no, I'm just totally kidding you. Go ahead. 77 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:35.960 That's a great thing about interviewing podcasters is because it's 78 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:37.280 a real legit conversation. 79 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:39.639 Yeah. One of the things I was really curious on 80 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:43.319 your guys' opinion on is you know, a lot of 81 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.639 times when people encounter these creatures, they'll talk about the 82 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.039 force going quiet, dead, silent. It feels very unnatural. Like 83 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.520 when I've experienced it, it felt weird. 84 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:54.400 You know. 85 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:57.039 I had a witness one time to describe it like 86 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:01.400 being underwater or going underwater, you know that sort of thing, 87 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:03.560 or like a switch. It's like the forest takes a 88 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:07.879 deep breath and just goes quiet, and it's usually right 89 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:12.199 before they see the creature or while they're seeing the creature, 90 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.360 everything goes silent. And to me, I mean, you know, 91 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:19.040 I've had researchers go, well, you know, anytime there's a 92 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:21.720 big predator in the area your pray is going to 93 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:25.480 be quiet, and that's true to an extent, But the 94 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:29.199 bugs don't shut off. The crickets don't shut off. What's 95 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:31.600 your guys' take on the forest just going quiet. 96 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:34.120 I think I think most of the times just the 97 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:37.600 forest does go quiet. But when you get that like 98 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:40.079 or that underwater for things, like where you get like 99 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.000 in your in your hair goes up. Because I mean, 100 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:43.319 I've been in the forest tons of times when it 101 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:45.040 goes quiet, my hair doesn't stand up. But I've had 102 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:47.399 those ones where it does go up and and everything 103 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:49.279 goes dead quiet. You feel like you're, like you said, 104 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:52.480 like that underwater feeling kind of. I think that's they're 105 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:56.079 infrastounding us, and like the infrastund shuts everything down, is 106 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:59.360 what I think. But I'm sure Cliff and metelhouse some 107 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.920 kind of scientif an exploation for that is not that, 108 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:03.560 But that's my take. 109 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:07.079 See, the thing is, I've encountered sasquatches where it's been 110 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:10.600 very like a loud forest with tons of life and 111 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:15.639 things moving and chittering and crackling, and there's been bigfoots around. 112 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.399 But I've also encountered them in the deadliest of quiet situations, 113 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.399 So I don't think there's a pattern. Personally, I don't 114 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:26.959 see one being predominant. I see that in the good 115 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.959 spooky stories people say the forest went quiet, and then 116 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:35.160 something dramatic happened. I think there's a pattern in human storytelling. 117 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.040 But as far as I can tell with sasquatches, and 118 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:42.000 I've been around them fair amount, you know, in my opinion, 119 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:44.480 maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I have. I 120 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.800 don't think there's a pattern as far as that sort 121 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:50.680 of thing goes. If people do describe that sort of thing, 122 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:54.639 especially with some sort of kind of a murky or 123 00:05:54.639 --> 00:06:01.120 a fuzzy description of some other sensory input or response, 124 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:05.560 I would agree with Bobo that is probably infrasonic, because 125 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:07.879 as doctor Krantz even noted in his book that many 126 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:13.759 people note the feeling of being watched even before they 127 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.360 observed the sasquatch that they later found out was in 128 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:20.639 the area. So I do think that infrasound is the 129 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:25.600 most likely culprit, so to speak, of all the weird 130 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:30.519 spooky stuff that may or may not even happen around sasquatches, 131 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:32.120 but are certainly prevalent in the stories. 132 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:33.600 To Cliff's point. 133 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:35.439 You know, a number of the experiences that I've had 134 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:38.240 were in noisy forests, Like the first encounter that I 135 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:40.720 had there was a number of cicada sounds and tree frogs, 136 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.040 like the forest was pretty loud, And I've had other 137 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.079 experiences of that nature in other parts of the country 138 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:47.959 and then again in quiet forests. But I don't think 139 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:50.839 any blanket explanation could cover all of the stories of 140 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:54.240 the experiences. But I think one really important insight that 141 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:57.600 I had gained from studying a number of other disciplines 142 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.079 was that when something novel emerges, and especially if it's 143 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.079 something novel and threatening, you know, we have a hardwired 144 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:08.879 response that's called the orienting reflex, where essentially you involuntarily 145 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:12.000 direct all your attention to the novel thing that's emerged. 146 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:16.319 So in those cases, all of your cognitive resources get 147 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:20.199 devoted to this myopic tunnel vision assessment of the novel 148 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.160 or the threat. And so you'll see this phenomenon in 149 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:27.439 people too that have other frightening, threatening encounters. For example, 150 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:29.000 like if you've ever been driving down the road and 151 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.240 someone swerves into your lane and you think you're about 152 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:34.680 to get hit head on, and people will report the 153 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:39.160 absolute disappearance of all other sensory information. And so in 154 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:41.199 retrospect it's like, well, you know that there was a 155 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:43.160 song on the radio, or you were listening to a 156 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.480 podcast or this or that. But you know, I've asked 157 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:47.800 many people like you ever had that experience, and they'll say, yes, 158 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:49.720 I'm big what song was on the radio? And they're like, oh, 159 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:51.839 I have no idea because it's not committed to memory. 160 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:59.879 It's deemed immediately irrelevant by your cognitive systems, almost like neurobiologically, 161 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:04.000 and so in memory, it's as if there was nothing 162 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:06.279 on the radio. And so I think there's a large 163 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:08.800 number of these cases, not all of them. I'm not 164 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:10.519 trying to explain them all away, but I think for 165 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.000 a number of people going about their business and what 166 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:16.240 they perceived to be sort of explored territory, and then 167 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.000 this novel, frightening thing emerges and they direct all their 168 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.959 focus and attention to it, again involuntarily, it's against their will. 169 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:27.879 They have no agency in that. In those systems being 170 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:32.480 activated in memory, they're thinking like there was an absence 171 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.840 of forest sounds where they may not have been. It's 172 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:38.200 just that none of those were experienced and therefore none 173 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:40.080 of those were committed to memory. So I think that 174 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:43.440 constitutes a large number of those cases. And there are, 175 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:45.759 to your point, like a handful where people say like 176 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:49.759 they observed first that the forest went silent, and then 177 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:52.639 observed something. But in all the people I've interviewed, that 178 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:54.759 tends to be on the rarer side. Most people just 179 00:08:55.799 --> 00:09:00.120 have this frightening, shocking experience and then you know, describe 180 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:02.639 like the absence of sounds and all very often like, 181 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:04.840 well when did you notice the absence of sounds? And 182 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.960 oftentimes it's like during the event or in the recollection 183 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:10.279 of the event. So I think that constitutes a big 184 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:12.440 portion of it, if that makes sense. 185 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:13.279 Yeah, that does. 186 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:14.919 What do you think, West? 187 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:18.919 I don't know. I think there's something else going on there, 188 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.799 because it's so odd if you've ever experienced it, the 189 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:26.360 forest just going silent. But there might be something to 190 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.919 Matt's point, you know, I was in a major car 191 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:33.159 accident and I can't remember the sound of the crash. 192 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:36.080 I can remember what it felt like hitting the windshield, 193 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:40.759 I can remember pain, but I I can't say that 194 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:43.759 I remember any sounds going on. It seems like everything 195 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:47.240 just kind of slowed down. In that car accident to 196 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:49.399 where I. You know, you would think I would hear 197 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:52.240 the crash, but I really don't remember hearing the crash. 198 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:54.320 Is it like fear, do you think, Matt? Is that 199 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.759 what you're saying is it's your brain chutting down the 200 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:58.240 things you don't need at that moment. 201 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:00.519 I think fear is a component, know of it. But 202 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:02.200 if you the way I laid it out in the 203 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:05.840 book is like a cascade of these system failures. You 204 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:09.559 know that car normal baseline operating systems, and that number one, 205 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:13.639 you're in a place that you consider to be implicitly 206 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.840 like explored territory. So you know, if someone were to 207 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.360 send you to a habitable earth like planet that no 208 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:22.840 human had ever gone to, you would know that like, oh, man, 209 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.480 I might encounter some life form that no one's ever seen, 210 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.759 Like you'd have some preparation, you'd be you'd have that 211 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.720 as part of your perceptual system. People just don't feel 212 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:34.799 that way when they're in Kentucky or northern California or 213 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.559 you know, Utah or something like that. And so when 214 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:41.360 something like that emerges, it's shocking because it is completely unknown, 215 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:45.399 it's totally novel, and so that's the sort of first shock, 216 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:49.200 and the immediate response in the face of novelty is 217 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:53.320 the orienting reflex, coupled with the involuntary freezing response, which 218 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:57.080 is called tonic immobility, and so you know, you're basically 219 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:02.080 paralyzed involuntarily. That's conserved across all primates, but especially humans, 220 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.480 great aps, et cetera. And then one of the first 221 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:06.840 things that we try to do is map the anomaly, 222 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:11.480 which is sort of like a categorization exercise. And as 223 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:13.879 you know, like these things when you talk to witnesses, 224 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.120 this blurs the lines of so many categories that most 225 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:20.279 people will say, like they spent those seconds cognitively going 226 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:22.639 what am I looking at? Like it's kind of like 227 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:24.919 a person, and it's nothing like a person. It's kind 228 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:27.240 of like a bear. It's nothing like a bear, kind 229 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:29.039 of like an animal, it's nothing like an animal. And 230 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:32.440 so they're unable to map the anomaly, so to speak, 231 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:34.960 and so that creates a sort of cognitive shock that's 232 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:39.399 simultaneous with the physiological shock, you know, the thing that's 233 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.200 instantiated in your body. And then on top of all 234 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:45.720 those things, you have the basic predator prayer response, because 235 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.039 there's no older fear than the fear of like the 236 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:51.360 large intimidating animal, the thing that's bigger than us. You know, 237 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:54.960 we're all here because our ancestors successfully navigated that at 238 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.799 least long enough to reproduce, right, And so I think 239 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.600 it's a host of things novelty, you know, the unknown 240 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.960 in the form of a large intimidating animal that's very 241 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:08.879 difficult to categorize without a lot of prior exposure. So 242 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:10.879 you know, if you studied sasquatch your whole life and 243 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:14.480 you went into the forest hoping or expecting to see one, 244 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.200 you might have a different response versus as you know, 245 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:19.480 because I listen to your podcast and you'll say, like, 246 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:22.159 what do you think about this, and the vast majority 247 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.240 of your interviewees say like, oh, I thought it was 248 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.480 all nonsense until I saw it, or yeah, I heard stories, 249 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.000 but I never took it seriously, and so bam, you 250 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:33.480 have these multiple systems like failing all at once. 251 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:36.360 It's kind of like if your body goes in a 252 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:39.480 freezing you know, you start shutting down part like your 253 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:42.279 body like takes all the heats of the core. 254 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:45.360 Well, I think a big part of what people describe 255 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:51.200 that they frame as mystical, metaphysical, paranormal. Are these physiological 256 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:54.039 and cognitive responses, and so they're not lying when they 257 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:56.519 say the sasquatch paralyzed me. And you'll find those same 258 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:59.519 beliefs associated with a host of other animals around the world, 259 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:02.240 and it's it's true. It's just that the animals not 260 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:06.080 generating something that paralyzes you like it's happening within the 261 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:09.639 human observer, but because you're powerless to it, it does 262 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:12.120 feel like it's being imposed upon you. So I think 263 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:13.759 that explains a lot of it, not all of it. 264 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:15.879 I'm not trying to write everything off, but I think 265 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:18.799 that's a way to bridge the gap between acknowledging that 266 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.240 people are really genuinely having these experiences that people want 267 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:25.039 to write off as oh, that's just paranormal, therefore it's 268 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:28.080 a lie. It's like, no, there's a perfectly normal explanation 269 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.360 that says, like, these animals can't exist and these experiences 270 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.120 are real, devoid of a metaphysical explanation. 271 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:40.200 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 272 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:48.440 Bobo will be right back after these messages. So three 273 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:50.919 to six months doesn't seem like a long time right 274 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.000 in bigfoot Land. It's not very long because we've been 275 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:57.080 looking for sasquatches for decades and decades and decades. But 276 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:58.840 when you think about what can happen in three to 277 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.200 six months? But what would you do in three to 278 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.360 six months? I'm going to give me six months go 279 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:06.480 squatching squad of course, of course, And how much do 280 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:08.559 you think is going to get done during that time? 281 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:11.360 In squatching you're gonna see one in six months? 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Is the 323 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:11.799 inver sound hit them? I think that's on the table. 324 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:14.240 I just don't think we necessarily have to reach for that. 325 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:16.960 When you can show examples of like devoid of the 326 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:21.039 animal generating any sounds or pheromones whatsoever, people will absolutely 327 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:24.159 have those same responses and they go into dissociative states. 328 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:26.799 If you listen to enough interviews with people with grizzly 329 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:31.120 bear encounters, especially people who are attacked very often, it's 330 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.440 because they spook to grizzly at close range, and one 331 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:35.399 of the first things they go into, especially if they're 332 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:37.799 not a woodsman, like not a grizzly hunter or somebody 333 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:40.639 with a lot of experience, they immediately go into cognitive 334 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:44.679 shock and a dissociative state and tonic immobility and bammed. 335 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.519 Then the attack happens, and you know, grizzly bears aren't 336 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:51.200 generating some force that's compelling the person to respond that way. 337 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:54.159 It's just the normative human response. 338 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:58.440 Grizzlies are just dicks, Yeah, and it can be I 339 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.639 did this were bringing up a couple points real fast. 340 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:04.519 Its number one. A couple summers ago, somebody came into 341 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:07.079 the North American big Foot Center and was talking about 342 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:11.400 how he accidentally surprised a grizzly bear. I forget it's 343 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.400 in glacier or somewhere like that. It comes around a 344 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:15.920 corner and there's a grizzly bear right there, ten feet 345 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.680 from him, fifteen feet from him, like entirely too close. 346 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.079 And I thought it was interesting because he said right 347 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:23.319 away a voice came into my head said you need 348 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:25.359 to get out of here now. And I always bring 349 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:29.279 that up with people who claimed telepathic communication with sasquatches. 350 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:31.319 Is that are we to believe that grizzlies can do 351 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:33.799 this as well? Because that happened to that man. I thought, 352 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:35.799 I always think that that's really interesting as far as 353 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:37.400 some of the stuff that you're talking about there, Matt. 354 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.519 But also back to the original thing about noises and 355 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:42.599 no noises and stuff of it's not exactly it's not 356 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:45.599 exactly in response to the question necessarily, but I do 357 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.759 think it's worth pointing out that number one when we 358 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:50.680 were on Finding Bigfoot, and you know, I learned a 359 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:53.680 lot about finding sasquatches on the show, of course, because 360 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.519 Moneymaker is very good at it. You know, I will 361 00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:58.279 say that till the day I die. You can talk 362 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:00.319 whatever smack you want about the show or mat or 363 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:02.839 anybody else, but Matt Moneymaker is one of the best 364 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.720 in the world and actually finding where sasquatches are. And 365 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:08.680 one of the things I learned from him is always 366 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:10.920 you know, it didn't take long to figure it out. 367 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:13.200 A lot of this stuff out, of course, but always 368 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:16.079 look for where all the animals are, because the forest, 369 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.519 just like the ocean, is largely empty. 370 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:19.160 Honestly. 371 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:21.000 You know, when I was when I was fishing in 372 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.720 southern California, it was always ninety percent of the fish 373 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:25.480 living ten percent of the ocean, and that's I believe 374 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:28.920 that's approximately true with the forest as well. So you're 375 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:31.799 always looking for where there is the most animal life. 376 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:33.680 So the loudest place, you know, the place for the 377 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:36.119 animals are crunching around doing their thing and moving and 378 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:38.880 making noises and all that owls we always use owls 379 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:41.079 as an indicator species because if owls are in the area, 380 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:42.480 that means the rodents are in the area, and then 381 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:46.119 the food chain continues from there, right So, And I'm 382 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:47.759 not sure which way to go in this either because 383 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.039 at the same time, on the other side of the coin, 384 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:52.680 the very coin I'm talking about right now, I have 385 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:57.480 found that some of the best sasquatch spots are places 386 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:02.640 where it's deadly quiet all the time. So it's a 387 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:04.880 little bit of both as far as noises in the woods. 388 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:07.160 And I know that's not in direct response what you're saying, Wes, 389 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.759 but I do find that there's a certain dichotomy here. 390 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:10.759 There's a certain. 391 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:15.279 Complication in the noise no noise sort of thing as well, 392 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:19.240 because you do find sasquatches where all the animals are, 393 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:24.119 generally speaking, but within those zones where the animals are moving, 394 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:26.039 because that's where the food happens to be at the time. 395 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:29.279 If you can find the quietest spots in there, that's 396 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:33.240 likely where the sasquatches are going to be, because I 397 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.559 think that a great deal of their observation of the 398 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:40.519 woods themselves is not a visual observation. I mean, it's nighttime, 399 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:43.400 for example, and you know the forest is thick, you 400 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:45.759 can't you just can't see very far. I think that 401 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:49.839