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Be sure to 12 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:47.320 check us out online at www dot Where didthroad Go 13 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:51.960 dot com. Now enjoy this edition of the Midweek podcast. 14 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.679 And welcome to this midweek podcast for Where Did the 15 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.960 Road Go? And this one's a little different than anything 16 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.400 we've done before. I've mentioned this before that I was 17 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:08.239 going to put this up as a midweek podcast and 18 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:11.159 I'm finally getting around to doing that. This was recorded 19 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:15.280 back in November eighteenth of twenty fourteen with Aaron Gulliess 20 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:20.799 and Devo Spice and Devo is a comedy rap artist. 21 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:22.519 Now don't let that scare you away. 22 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.799 If you're not a fan of rap, because he's actually 23 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:29.920 quite interesting. You can understand him. He's clever, he's a geek. 24 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:31.680 And we spend the. 25 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:34.840 Next hour and a half basically talking about Doctor Who 26 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:40.120 and hearing a few songs from Devo's Doctor Who tribute album. 27 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.879 So if you're a Doctor Who fan, you're probably going 28 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:46.159 to enjoy this. If you're not well, you might want 29 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:48.400 to skip this one and go to the next interview. 30 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:52.959 So I may do occasional things like this where I 31 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:57.640 think there's some crossover with fictional material or things like 32 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.079 Doctor Who. We'll see your feedback. Let me know what 33 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.040 you think, if you liked it, disliked it, whatever. 34 00:02:03.079 --> 00:02:03.280 I know. 35 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:05.560 I posted it to the Facebook page when we initially 36 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.800 aired it on the last Exit for the Lost, and 37 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:11.520 I got a pretty good response. So now I'm going 38 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:15.759 to share it with everyone else. All Right, I've said, 39 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:19.560 here we go, Aaron Gullias, Devo Spice on Doctor Who. 40 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:24.520 All right, so I'm talking with Devo Spice and Aaron 41 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:30.719 Gullias as we discuss Doctor Who. And Aaron, why don't 42 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:33.560 you tell people you're what you've done in book wise 43 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:34.319 with Doctor Who? 44 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:40.520 Okay, I've written a small small, sort of very manageable, 45 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:42.240 almost sort of I like to think of it as 46 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:46.599 sort of thick fanzine sort of sized thing called Infandom's Shadow, 47 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:51.319 and it's sort of a fanography, fan biography of the 48 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.439 my changing feelings about Doctor Who from when I started 49 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:57.360 watching it and through sort of the historical changes that 50 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:01.719 took the show, especially through the sort of horrible nineties 51 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:05.400 period when there was nothing on TV except for Paul 52 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:10.159 McGahn for about, you know, seventy five minutes more scholarly 53 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:15.439 and professional stuff. I've written a chapter about differing fan 54 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:20.800 reaction to the nineteen ninety six Paul McGann movie and Rose, 55 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.599 the first episode of the two thousand and five revitalized 56 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:29.000 series in a scholarly collection called Doctor Who in Time 57 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:35.280 and Space, edited by Gillian Leech, And I've just got 58 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.319 a chapter getting ready to go into another book edited 59 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:44.039 by Gillian and another scholar named Sherry Jin on Doctor 60 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:49.639 Who Companions in Doctor Who Companions in print, I guess 61 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:52.719 is the best way to summarize it. Both companions who 62 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:56.439 are created for the original novels during the nineteen nineties 63 00:03:56.800 --> 00:04:02.639 and how traditional television can companions had their characters changed 64 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:06.000 altered and expanded on in the print world as opposed 65 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.400 to the television world. So that's a few conference presentations 66 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:11.719 and some things like that. 67 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:15.919 All right, and Devo, you've obviously a big fan. You 68 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:18.319 wrote an entire concept album about Doctor. 69 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:20.959 I did for the people who may not know me. 70 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:23.240 I do comedy rap. I build myself as the red 71 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:26.439 headed step son of weird Al Yankovic and eminem And 72 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.600 when the fiftieth anniversary of Doctor Who came along, I 73 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:32.839 was like, I really want to do something with this. 74 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:35.720 So I decided to put out a Doctor Who concept album. 75 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:38.240 And what I did was I did one song per 76 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:42.879 incarnation of the Doctor up through Matt Smith, and then 77 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:45.800 the title track, I Am the Doctor, and I put 78 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:48.439 that out last year, or actually technically earlier this year. 79 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:50.120 Was supposed to be out for the fiftieth. I didn't 80 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:53.600 quite make it, so I was out in early twenty fourteen, 81 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:55.040 so I was a couple months late. 82 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:57.800 And you actually have some companions on this. 83 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.439 Don't I have a doctor on there too? Really? 84 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:04.279 I I have Peter Davison on the on the fifth 85 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:06.879 Doctor song, he appears at the at the very end. 86 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.839 And I have Katie Manning who played Joe Grant opposite 87 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:14.839 the third Doctor, and I have Sophie Aldred who played 88 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:16.480 Ace opposite the seventh Doctor. 89 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:22.240 Nice, all right, and this you've done other doctor whose 90 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:23.959 songs before this, haven't you? 91 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.319 Just one I did when the show came actually right 92 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.199 before the show came back, I did a song called 93 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:32.680 Welcome Back Doctor, which was a parody of a song 94 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:36.360 called welcome Back by Master Ace. I think not master Ace, 95 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.279 master P, one of those Master rappers, I don't know. 96 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:44.279 And it was a kind of a failed experiment because 97 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:47.519 the the thing was that was supposed to be master 98 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.600 P's big comeback anthem, and I heard it on the 99 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:52.720 radio and they were hyping it like crazy, and I 100 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:54.240 was like, all right, I got a parody of this song. 101 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:56.720 It's going to be huge. And it bombed. It went nowhere. 102 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.560 So the parody, as as a pair already, kind of 103 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.680 fell flat. And then what he did was he sampled 104 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:07.240 the welcome Back Cotter theme and he had he had 105 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.319 like a children's chorus sing it. So now I have 106 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:13.000 to try to recreate this sound, and I got in 107 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:16.240 touch with a local children's chorus, the Sussex County Children's 108 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.720 Chorus here in New Jersey and they they agreed to 109 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:20.399 sing on the song, and then they found out it 110 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:22.079 was a rap album and they wanted nothing to do 111 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:23.800 with it, and they pulled out at the last minute. 112 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:27.879 So I ended up hijacking my boss's kids, who were 113 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.040 like six and eight at the time, to sing on 114 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:33.079 the song. And neither of them could sing. So the 115 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:37.720 song was just a hodgepodge of comedy of errors. But 116 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.439 I put it out and it came out okay. But 117 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:44.639 when when the show came back proper, I decided to 118 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:47.439 do the what became the title track of the album, 119 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:49.439 I Am the Doctor, because I needed I needed a 120 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.279 better song than Welcome Back Doctor, so and then that 121 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:54.879 led to the concept album. 122 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:57.519 All right, so let's let's start with Aaron. How did 123 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:59.040 you originally get into Doctor Who? 124 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:02.319 Okay, it's it's it's kind of weird. I had this 125 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:05.240 sort of weird proto Doctor Who experience. And I don't 126 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:09.240 even remember what year it was or how old I was, 127 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:11.800 but I think I was probably around ten or eleven, 128 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:15.040 and I was I was watching TV and it was 129 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:18.439 a Sunday afternoon and I was flipping through channels, you know, 130 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.959 all four of them that we had and I saw 131 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:25.079 some green slime oozing out of something and a bunch 132 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.720 of ape men running around, and it was I know 133 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:29.800 now that it was Inferno, you know, the pert Wee 134 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:32.480 story from season seven, But all I knew at the 135 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.399 time was there was this green slime and volcanoes and 136 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:37.680 guys were running around, and I thought it was pretty cool. 137 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:42.560 And our PBS station I apparently showed it in its complete, 138 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:48.759 un you know, un chopped up completely sort of movie format, which, 139 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:52.800 if listeners know, Inferno was a seven episode story in 140 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.600 the old system, which means it was about two hours 141 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.519 and forty five minutes. And I just sort of sat 142 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.040 there and this took my whole after noon, and finally 143 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:02.839 my parents said, look, we got to eat supper. You 144 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:05.040 got to turn this thing off. And I'm like, but, 145 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:07.839 but there's eight men in green slime. So I had 146 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.040 no idea what this show was until I saw it 147 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:13.519 later and had this kind of flashback. I guess as 148 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.399 far as actual sort of week to week, I can't 149 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:19.959 miss this show. It was probably January of nineteen ninety 150 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:22.680 one and I was looking at the TV listenings and 151 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.560 the little summary said doctor who, the Doctor and Ace 152 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:29.560 visit a Victorian mansion where aliens in the cellar plot 153 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:32.919 to kill Queen Victoria. And it was ghost light and 154 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.200 that's like the worst description of ghost light I can 155 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:36.759 imagine it. 156 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:39.440 Yeah, I was thinking, that doesn't sound like ghost light. 157 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:43.320 It's like so I was like, well, this sounds like 158 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.360 something I need to be watching. So I watched it 159 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.799 and it was. It was great. I couldn't understand more 160 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:54.960 than about half of what Sylvester McCoy said, and I 161 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:58.360 thought Sophie Aldred was gorgeous. So I watched the next 162 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.840 week and we after that and it was it was 163 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.759 just it was there's something that just drew me to 164 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:07.840 it because it was and this is what Doctor Who 165 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:10.000 does best, and when Doctor whoever veers from this, it 166 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.879 goes wrong. It was a different show every week. You 167 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.200 did not know what kind of story this was going 168 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.799 to be. It went from Victorian England to Curs of 169 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:21.279 Fenrick was World War Two, and then Survival was this 170 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:25.559 sort of modern day suburban London thing. And then the 171 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:29.679 week after Survival they recycled back to the John Purty 172 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:32.600 stories and I was I don't think I've ever been 173 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:36.720 that confused by television in my entire life that one week. 174 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:40.000 It was, you know, basically the same level of visual 175 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:42.919 quality that I'd been watching on I was already watching 176 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:47.679 Red Dwarfs, so late eighties British science fiction visual quality 177 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:49.720 made sense to me. And then we were back in 178 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:54.159 Spearhead from Space, and then the next two stories were 179 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.639 only in black and white. At that point the color 180 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.120 prints weren't around yet, and and it was so that 181 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.679 sent me off to, hey, kids, if you're listening, this 182 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:05.279 is what we used to have to do. I went 183 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:08.679 to the library and tried to find books and I 184 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.320 found some. Some the really bad ones were these sort 185 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:15.240 of giant you guys might remember, these, these encyclopedic like 186 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:20.000 encyclical encyclopedic encyclopedias of science fiction television, and there'd be 187 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.600 like three lines about Doctor Who and it only went 188 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.240 up to like Tom Baker, which really confused me. But 189 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:28.919 what really got me into it as much as watching 190 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:33.320 the show was I discovered that the library where I 191 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:38.279 lived had probably thirty or forty of the target novelizations. 192 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:41.600 So I was able to get those and read those. 193 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:45.120 And I discovered a place out of Chicago that would 194 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:47.879 that had like every back issue of Doctor Who magazine 195 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.240 so I'd save up my money and mail in, had 196 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:52.159 my mom write at check and I'd mail in my 197 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:54.879 order and I'd get a couple Doctor Who magazines back 198 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.720 whenever I had the money. So I very quickly found 199 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:00.720 that I really liked the show show, but I also 200 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:03.279 liked learning about the history of the show. So I 201 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.320 was The bad thing about it is because of when 202 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:08.879 our station broadcast Doctor Who at that point, which was 203 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.399 Saturday nights. I switched my my youthful TV allegiance from 204 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:16.159 Twin Peaks to Doctor Who, and I sort of missed 205 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:19.240 out on most of Twin Peaks because of that, but 206 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:22.240 I think it was a worthwhile trade. 207 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:24.360 Well, you can always catch up now. 208 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:27.399 Yeah, that's true. I heard the Blu ray is incredible so. 209 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:28.919 And they're bringing it back. 210 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:33.679 Yes, yes, so so Tom Devo, how did you get 211 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:35.000 into the Doctor. 212 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.440 Slightly similar story. I was actually I remember I was. 213 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.440 I was sitting and my father's recliner flipping through the 214 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:44.879 TV guide because before the Internet, we had this magazine 215 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:46.559 that came out every week that would tell you what 216 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.240 was on television. And I happened to check out the 217 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.000 grid listing and it said on the PBS at seven 218 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:56.080 o'clock Doctor Who, and I just glanced past it and 219 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:57.000 I didn't think anything of it. 220 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:57.480 And I'm flipping. 221 00:11:57.480 --> 00:11:58.919 I go, I'll see what's on tomorrow night, and I 222 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.840 get to I I'm looking through the thing seven o'clock 223 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:03.240 Doctor Who, and I'm like, what the hell is this 224 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:07.159 Doctor Who? So my father happened to walk in. I'm like, Dad, 225 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.360 have you ever heard of Doctor Who? And he goes, no, 226 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:11.120 what's that. I'm like, I have no idea, but it's 227 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:14.320 like on every night and he goes, all right, whatever. Well, 228 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:17.759 unbeknownst to me, he went upstairs and watched it, and 229 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:19.879 then he came back down at seven thirty and he 230 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:21.960 was all he was visibly excited, and he goes, Tom, 231 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:25.000 did you watch Doctor Who? And I'm like, no, should 232 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:25.279 I have? 233 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:25.600 Me? 234 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:25.840 Thinking? 235 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:27.480 I know, I'm like ten years old, thinking I was 236 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:29.879 in trouble, you know. I was like, yeah, what, what's what? 237 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:33.360 What about it? He's like, I don't understand. But there's 238 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:37.480 a guy with a scarf, and there's monsters and aliens, 239 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:39.919 and there's a blue box and it's a time machine 240 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:41.240 and it's bigger on the inside. 241 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:42.039 Just watch it. 242 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:47.039 So the next night we watched you know, we watched 243 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.240 the next part of that episode because my PBA station 244 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:53.200 serialized it throughout the week, so every day at seven 245 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:57.320 o'clock we got another twenty minute episode, and we were 246 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.519 pretty much hooked ever since. And then so I start looking. 247 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:02.919 I looked further in the TV guide and I saw that, oh, 248 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:06.320 on on Saturday night, they're showing two hours of Doctor Who. 249 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:09.200 I'm like, maybe they'll showing a whole story. Cool, well 250 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:11.159 that was a John Pertwee story. Now, we had been 251 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.960 watching Tom Baker. Now all of a sudden, it's John 252 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.639 Pertwee as the doctor. My father and I looked at 253 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.080 each other. We're like, what the hell's happening here? Because 254 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.399 it's black and white, there's completely different people. There's the Tartist. 255 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.240 The Tartist is still there, so it's definitely the same show. 256 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.679 But we were like, well, maybe this is like like 257 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.480 a James Bond thing where they just you know, switch 258 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.840 actors out now and then and don't ever talk about it. 259 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:38.039 But eventually we saw Tom Baker regenerate into Peter Davison 260 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:41.759 and and and then we were like, oh okay. And 261 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.480 then when the twentieth anniversary of the show came along, 262 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:48.399 my father picked up one of those big Doctor Who encyclopedias. 263 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:50.120 It was like, I think it was called twenty Years 264 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:52.320 of Time and Space or something like that, and it 265 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:56.360 had like the history of the show up through then, 266 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:58.679 and it had like a list of all the episodes. 267 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:01.120 And that was how I discovered that a lot of 268 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:03.840 the episodes of the old show were missing, because you know, 269 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:06.919 it listed all the episodes and it said episodes two, three, five, 270 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.360 and seven missing, and I'm like, what do you mean missing? 271 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:10.639 Missing? 272 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.440 So that's how I got into Doctor Who, and I've 273 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:15.600 kind of been hooked ever since. 274 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:19.159 And You've written a song about those missing episodes that 275 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:19.759 you did a video. 276 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.960 I did write a song about those missing episodes, So. 277 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:25.120 Maybe we should hear that now it's called lost in 278 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:30.960 Time and the video is found on YouTube. Is all right, 279 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:32.000 so let's hear that. 280 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:55.840 We know the domas mass to plan, but can they 281 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:59.120 destroy the Doctor BESSI and the BBC can because the 282 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:02.120 beeaceless ones at the top decided to erase all the 283 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.120 tapes and clean shot the Mocker. Terror was no match 284 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.879 for the fury from the deep recesses of the BBC, 285 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:11.279 who decided to reuse the tapes at a staggery, pace 286 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.240 revolving around like a wheel and space. 287 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.320 The evasion on the Yachives was a pitio to me. 288 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:17.039 It feels like. 289 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:18.080 They erased my wedding. 290 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:18.399 Giddy. 291 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:20.440 Oh now I'm grabbed in a weapon fear that they 292 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.279 may never reappear and I'll have missed Deborah Watman's career. 293 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:26.240 The band boys around the crusade to try to find them, 294 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:28.720 and they won't stop until every story is behind them. 295 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:31.240 It's going They're returning ground jewels to the throne. It's 296 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:36.159 admission to the unknownst time I met Deborah Watling at 297 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:40.679 a con once fuss before I had ever seen a 298 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:43.480 single episode with Victoria oh S. 299 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:46.360 Talk about awkward dinner. 300 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:49.480 Conversation Baha time. 301 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.440 The savage is at the BBC didn't want us to 302 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:59.480 see what their team myth makers had undertake. If they 303 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:02.559 were mistake, the episode was worth forsaken and their reign 304 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:05.960 of terror was unshaken. Now, what's up to the smugglers 305 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:08.159 to try to bring them back and complete the collection? 306 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:10.000 In my rack, I need to fill in the gap. 307 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.240 But my favorite show, but they could be on a 308 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.960 moon biggest for all we know? Will they ever again 309 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:15.559 be shown? 310 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:15.879 Men? 311 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.200 I don't know, men harder to find, and the abominable Snowmen. 312 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:22.200 Hopefully we may see them all once more in the future. 313 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.399 While I play Mario Gallin's four The Highlanders fought a 314 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.440 whole war in the Kilts. I want to know how 315 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:29.639 to do that on a family show. And I like 316 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.360 the way Patrick Trumper frolics when he faces the evil 317 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:42.039 of the Daleks hosted Time Marco paused Time Marko. 318 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:43.879 Paws. 319 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.960 I'm sorry, I can't find you guys anywhere I get Boss. 320 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:56.279 Now, the show is a hit, So what are we 321 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.679 gonna do with it right away? What we're through with it? 322 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:00.519 Else to do? 323 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.359 Since the show was no longer new. The Advantagers too. 324 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:07.119 It's a popular show, but now the episodes have to 325 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:09.839 go there doesn't need to know. 326 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:11.799 Perhaps this was a mistake. 327 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.720 She happened to find an old dook to who episodes? 328 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:16.000 Please return it to the BBC. 329 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.720 I'm out every Christmas, I asked the Celestial Toy Maker. 330 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:21.400 Can you blame me for new episodes? 331 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:24.480 But Zoey Janey, I keep hoping the Space Pirates will 332 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:26.559 bring them all back so I can see the Underwater 333 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.200 Minutes attack, the wiping of the taste was worse than 334 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:32.440 the massacurb scene for thousand yus and a curson that 335 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:34.880 it has occurred in even the power of the dialects 336 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:37.480 couldn't stop it, and now we can't even photoshop it. 337 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:40.640 Scientists have actually found a real tenth planet somehow that 338 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:43.799 was easier, but out on understanding they'll probably find real 339 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:48.200 heightst Warriors too. Before We're Missing, Doctor Who Lost Time 340 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:53.880 ninety seven episodes of Doctor Who Are Missing? Was twenty 341 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:58.279 six stories are missing or incomplete wasted till the. 342 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.200 World is never going to lose us episode of Honey 343 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:09.000 Boo Boo BOSSI bosting Time. 344 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:11.640 All right? 345 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:16.079 That was Lost in Time from Devo Spice Office Doctor Who. Uh, 346 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:17.599 what's the name of the album I Am the Doctor? 347 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:18.240 I Am the Doctor? 348 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:21.759 Yes, And it has a great great hologrand cover. 349 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:25.519 Yeah, it's a a lenticular print cover where I tried 350 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:29.000 to simulate the the opening of the show with you know, 351 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:31.680 traveling through the time tunnel, and so it's a three 352 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:37.039 three image scene with the I have this Doctor Who 353 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.720 Devo Spice parody logo, so you see that logo and 354 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:42.200 then you see my face and then it says I 355 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:44.319 am the Doctor. So you move it back and forth. 356 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:45.799 It kind of looks like the opening of the show 357 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:47.920 and it's really cool. 358 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:51.759 So why are there lost episodes? 359 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.960 Well, the BBC at the time had was on a 360 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:59.960 very very tight budget and apparently videotape is extremely expensive, 361 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.559 and so what they would do is they would record 362 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:08.039 the show, Eric make copies for all the stations that 363 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.799 syndicated the show, and then they re used the tape. 364 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:15.200 And to make matters worse, when they sent copies to 365 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.079 the to the other stations around the world, they were 366 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.920 sent with explicit instructions to like destroy the tape after 367 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.599 the show airs. So the fact that we've gotten any 368 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.079 of these episodes back is kind of a miracle because 369 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:31.599 they're not supposed to exist. 370 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:36.039 Yeah, and one of the things that that I didn't 371 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:40.000 know about the reason why there's there's missing episodes, all 372 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.559 that's that's absolutely the way it was. One thing I 373 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:47.000 learned by reading tat Wood and Lawrence Miles's series of 374 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.400 guide books, the About Time series. I don't know if 375 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:53.079 you're familiar with them. It examines every story in the 376 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.559 context of British culture and politics at the time, which 377 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:00.279 is just it's like thousands of pages, but one of 378 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.799 the reasons why they felt like they didn't have any 379 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.200 reason to keep this stuff around. It was the cost 380 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:09.319 of the videotape, that's absolutely true, and it was also 381 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:14.400 the fact that the agreement with the with the Actors' unions, 382 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:18.279 the screen actors Unions in Britain, meant that up until 383 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:22.359 the late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties, I believe there 384 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:26.720 was no actual legal way the BBC could broadcast reruns 385 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.720 outside of the season in which the episodes were shown, 386 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:34.160 or there was some sort of regulation like that. And 387 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:37.480 there's also just within the Doctor Who production office for 388 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:42.160 a very long time, a complete sort of sort of 389 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:47.599 forbiddenness to showing or really making much mention of the 390 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:51.519 show outside of whoever the current Doctor was. So you 391 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:55.079 might have reruns from that season happened, but there was 392 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:57.960 never any sort of idea that we would go back 393 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:00.559 and see, you know, previous things. I think the first 394 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:06.119 time they did that was after Logopolis, when Baker regenerated 395 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:09.039 into Davison. There was a very very long break before 396 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:11.559 the Peter Davison stories started up, almost a year, like 397 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:14.160 a full calendar year or so, and so they had 398 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:16.559 this event called the Five Faces of Doctor Who, where 399 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:18.920 they broadcast a story from each one of the doctors. 400 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:22.279 They kind of cheated because their Davison entry was the 401 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:24.720