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Speaker 4: And welcome to this midweek podcast for Where Did the
Speaker 4: Road Go? And this one's a little different than anything
Speaker 4: we've done before. I've mentioned this before that I was
Speaker 4: going to put this up as a midweek podcast and
Speaker 4: I'm finally getting around to doing that. This was recorded
Speaker 4: back in November eighteenth of twenty fourteen with Aaron Gulliess
Speaker 4: and Devo Spice and Devo is a comedy rap artist.
Speaker 5: Now don't let that scare you away.
Speaker 4: If you're not a fan of rap, because he's actually
Speaker 4: quite interesting. You can understand him. He's clever, he's a geek.
Speaker 5: And we spend the.
Speaker 4: Next hour and a half basically talking about Doctor Who
Speaker 4: and hearing a few songs from Devo's Doctor Who tribute album.
Speaker 4: So if you're a Doctor Who fan, you're probably going
Speaker 4: to enjoy this. If you're not well, you might want
Speaker 4: to skip this one and go to the next interview.
Speaker 4: So I may do occasional things like this where I
Speaker 4: think there's some crossover with fictional material or things like
Speaker 4: Doctor Who. We'll see your feedback. Let me know what
Speaker 4: you think, if you liked it, disliked it, whatever.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: I posted it to the Facebook page when we initially
Speaker 4: aired it on the last Exit for the Lost, and
Speaker 4: I got a pretty good response. So now I'm going
Speaker 4: to share it with everyone else. All Right, I've said,
Speaker 4: here we go, Aaron Gullias, Devo Spice on Doctor Who.
Speaker 4: All right, so I'm talking with Devo Spice and Aaron
Speaker 4: Gullias as we discuss Doctor Who. And Aaron, why don't
Speaker 4: you tell people you're what you've done in book wise
Speaker 4: with Doctor Who?
Speaker 6: Okay, I've written a small small, sort of very manageable,
Speaker 6: almost sort of I like to think of it as
Speaker 6: sort of thick fanzine sort of sized thing called Infandom's Shadow,
Speaker 6: and it's sort of a fanography, fan biography of the
Speaker 6: my changing feelings about Doctor Who from when I started
Speaker 6: watching it and through sort of the historical changes that
Speaker 6: took the show, especially through the sort of horrible nineties
Speaker 6: period when there was nothing on TV except for Paul
Speaker 6: McGahn for about, you know, seventy five minutes more scholarly
Speaker 6: and professional stuff. I've written a chapter about differing fan
Speaker 6: reaction to the nineteen ninety six Paul McGann movie and Rose,
Speaker 6: the first episode of the two thousand and five revitalized
Speaker 6: series in a scholarly collection called Doctor Who in Time
Speaker 6: and Space, edited by Gillian Leech, And I've just got
Speaker 6: a chapter getting ready to go into another book edited
Speaker 6: by Gillian and another scholar named Sherry Jin on Doctor
Speaker 6: Who Companions in Doctor Who Companions in print, I guess
Speaker 6: is the best way to summarize it. Both companions who
Speaker 6: are created for the original novels during the nineteen nineties
Speaker 6: and how traditional television can companions had their characters changed
Speaker 6: altered and expanded on in the print world as opposed
Speaker 6: to the television world. So that's a few conference presentations
Speaker 6: and some things like that.
Speaker 4: All right, and Devo, you've obviously a big fan. You
Speaker 4: wrote an entire concept album about Doctor.
Speaker 7: I did for the people who may not know me.
Speaker 7: I do comedy rap. I build myself as the red
Speaker 7: headed step son of weird Al Yankovic and eminem And
Speaker 7: when the fiftieth anniversary of Doctor Who came along, I
Speaker 7: was like, I really want to do something with this.
Speaker 7: So I decided to put out a Doctor Who concept album.
Speaker 7: And what I did was I did one song per
Speaker 7: incarnation of the Doctor up through Matt Smith, and then
Speaker 7: the title track, I Am the Doctor, and I put
Speaker 7: that out last year, or actually technically earlier this year.
Speaker 7: Was supposed to be out for the fiftieth. I didn't
Speaker 7: quite make it, so I was out in early twenty fourteen,
Speaker 7: so I was a couple months late.
Speaker 5: And you actually have some companions on this.
Speaker 8: Don't I have a doctor on there too? Really?
Speaker 7: I I have Peter Davison on the on the fifth
Speaker 7: Doctor song, he appears at the at the very end.
Speaker 7: And I have Katie Manning who played Joe Grant opposite
Speaker 7: the third Doctor, and I have Sophie Aldred who played
Speaker 7: Ace opposite the seventh Doctor.
Speaker 5: Nice, all right, and this you've done other doctor whose
Speaker 5: songs before this, haven't you?
Speaker 7: Just one I did when the show came actually right
Speaker 7: before the show came back, I did a song called
Speaker 7: Welcome Back Doctor, which was a parody of a song
Speaker 7: called welcome Back by Master Ace. I think not master Ace,
Speaker 7: master P, one of those Master rappers, I don't know.
Speaker 7: And it was a kind of a failed experiment because
Speaker 7: the the thing was that was supposed to be master
Speaker 7: P's big comeback anthem, and I heard it on the
Speaker 7: radio and they were hyping it like crazy, and I
Speaker 7: was like, all right, I got a parody of this song.
Speaker 8: It's going to be huge. And it bombed. It went nowhere.
Speaker 7: So the parody, as as a pair already, kind of
Speaker 7: fell flat. And then what he did was he sampled
Speaker 7: the welcome Back Cotter theme and he had he had
Speaker 7: like a children's chorus sing it. So now I have
Speaker 7: to try to recreate this sound, and I got in
Speaker 7: touch with a local children's chorus, the Sussex County Children's
Speaker 7: Chorus here in New Jersey and they they agreed to
Speaker 7: sing on the song, and then they found out it
Speaker 7: was a rap album and they wanted nothing to do
Speaker 7: with it, and they pulled out at the last minute.
Speaker 7: So I ended up hijacking my boss's kids, who were
Speaker 7: like six and eight at the time, to sing on
Speaker 7: the song. And neither of them could sing. So the
Speaker 7: song was just a hodgepodge of comedy of errors. But
Speaker 7: I put it out and it came out okay. But
Speaker 7: when when the show came back proper, I decided to
Speaker 7: do the what became the title track of the album,
Speaker 7: I Am the Doctor, because I needed I needed a
Speaker 7: better song than Welcome Back Doctor, so and then that
Speaker 7: led to the concept album.
Speaker 5: All right, so let's let's start with Aaron. How did
Speaker 5: you originally get into Doctor Who?
Speaker 6: Okay, it's it's it's kind of weird. I had this
Speaker 6: sort of weird proto Doctor Who experience. And I don't
Speaker 6: even remember what year it was or how old I was,
Speaker 6: but I think I was probably around ten or eleven,
Speaker 6: and I was I was watching TV and it was
Speaker 6: a Sunday afternoon and I was flipping through channels, you know,
Speaker 6: all four of them that we had and I saw
Speaker 6: some green slime oozing out of something and a bunch
Speaker 6: of ape men running around, and it was I know
Speaker 6: now that it was Inferno, you know, the pert Wee
Speaker 6: story from season seven, But all I knew at the
Speaker 6: time was there was this green slime and volcanoes and
Speaker 6: guys were running around, and I thought it was pretty cool.
Speaker 6: And our PBS station I apparently showed it in its complete,
Speaker 6: un you know, un chopped up completely sort of movie format, which,
Speaker 6: if listeners know, Inferno was a seven episode story in
Speaker 6: the old system, which means it was about two hours
Speaker 6: and forty five minutes. And I just sort of sat
Speaker 6: there and this took my whole after noon, and finally
Speaker 6: my parents said, look, we got to eat supper. You
Speaker 6: got to turn this thing off. And I'm like, but,
Speaker 6: but there's eight men in green slime. So I had
Speaker 6: no idea what this show was until I saw it
Speaker 6: later and had this kind of flashback. I guess as
Speaker 6: far as actual sort of week to week, I can't
Speaker 6: miss this show. It was probably January of nineteen ninety
Speaker 6: one and I was looking at the TV listenings and
Speaker 6: the little summary said doctor who, the Doctor and Ace
Speaker 6: visit a Victorian mansion where aliens in the cellar plot
Speaker 6: to kill Queen Victoria. And it was ghost light and
Speaker 6: that's like the worst description of ghost light I can
Speaker 6: imagine it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was thinking, that doesn't sound like ghost light.
Speaker 6: It's like so I was like, well, this sounds like
Speaker 6: something I need to be watching. So I watched it
Speaker 6: and it was. It was great. I couldn't understand more
Speaker 6: than about half of what Sylvester McCoy said, and I
Speaker 6: thought Sophie Aldred was gorgeous. So I watched the next
Speaker 6: week and we after that and it was it was
Speaker 6: just it was there's something that just drew me to
Speaker 6: it because it was and this is what Doctor Who
Speaker 6: does best, and when Doctor whoever veers from this, it
Speaker 6: goes wrong. It was a different show every week. You
Speaker 6: did not know what kind of story this was going
Speaker 6: to be. It went from Victorian England to Curs of
Speaker 6: Fenrick was World War Two, and then Survival was this
Speaker 6: sort of modern day suburban London thing. And then the
Speaker 6: week after Survival they recycled back to the John Purty
Speaker 6: stories and I was I don't think I've ever been
Speaker 6: that confused by television in my entire life that one week.
Speaker 6: It was, you know, basically the same level of visual
Speaker 6: quality that I'd been watching on I was already watching
Speaker 6: Red Dwarfs, so late eighties British science fiction visual quality
Speaker 6: made sense to me. And then we were back in
Speaker 6: Spearhead from Space, and then the next two stories were
Speaker 6: only in black and white. At that point the color
Speaker 6: prints weren't around yet, and and it was so that
Speaker 6: sent me off to, hey, kids, if you're listening, this
Speaker 6: is what we used to have to do. I went
Speaker 6: to the library and tried to find books and I
Speaker 6: found some. Some the really bad ones were these sort
Speaker 6: of giant you guys might remember, these, these encyclopedic like
Speaker 6: encyclical encyclopedic encyclopedias of science fiction television, and there'd be
Speaker 6: like three lines about Doctor Who and it only went
Speaker 6: up to like Tom Baker, which really confused me. But
Speaker 6: what really got me into it as much as watching
Speaker 6: the show was I discovered that the library where I
Speaker 6: lived had probably thirty or forty of the target novelizations.
Speaker 6: So I was able to get those and read those.
Speaker 6: And I discovered a place out of Chicago that would
Speaker 6: that had like every back issue of Doctor Who magazine
Speaker 6: so I'd save up my money and mail in, had
Speaker 6: my mom write at check and I'd mail in my
Speaker 6: order and I'd get a couple Doctor Who magazines back
Speaker 6: whenever I had the money. So I very quickly found
Speaker 6: that I really liked the show show, but I also
Speaker 6: liked learning about the history of the show. So I
Speaker 6: was The bad thing about it is because of when
Speaker 6: our station broadcast Doctor Who at that point, which was
Speaker 6: Saturday nights. I switched my my youthful TV allegiance from
Speaker 6: Twin Peaks to Doctor Who, and I sort of missed
Speaker 6: out on most of Twin Peaks because of that, but
Speaker 6: I think it was a worthwhile trade.
Speaker 5: Well, you can always catch up now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true. I heard the Blu ray is incredible so.
Speaker 5: And they're bringing it back.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, so so Tom Devo, how did you get
Speaker 4: into the Doctor.
Speaker 7: Slightly similar story. I was actually I remember I was.
Speaker 7: I was sitting and my father's recliner flipping through the
Speaker 7: TV guide because before the Internet, we had this magazine
Speaker 7: that came out every week that would tell you what
Speaker 7: was on television. And I happened to check out the
Speaker 7: grid listing and it said on the PBS at seven
Speaker 7: o'clock Doctor Who, and I just glanced past it and
Speaker 7: I didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 8: And I'm flipping.
Speaker 7: I go, I'll see what's on tomorrow night, and I
Speaker 7: get to I I'm looking through the thing seven o'clock
Speaker 7: Doctor Who, and I'm like, what the hell is this
Speaker 7: Doctor Who? So my father happened to walk in. I'm like, Dad,
Speaker 7: have you ever heard of Doctor Who? And he goes, no,
Speaker 7: what's that. I'm like, I have no idea, but it's
Speaker 7: like on every night and he goes, all right, whatever. Well,
Speaker 7: unbeknownst to me, he went upstairs and watched it, and
Speaker 7: then he came back down at seven thirty and he
Speaker 7: was all he was visibly excited, and he goes, Tom,
Speaker 7: did you watch Doctor Who? And I'm like, no, should
Speaker 7: I have?
Speaker 6: Me?
Speaker 5: Thinking?
Speaker 7: I know, I'm like ten years old, thinking I was
Speaker 7: in trouble, you know. I was like, yeah, what, what's what?
Speaker 7: What about it? He's like, I don't understand. But there's
Speaker 7: a guy with a scarf, and there's monsters and aliens,
Speaker 7: and there's a blue box and it's a time machine
Speaker 7: and it's bigger on the inside.
Speaker 8: Just watch it.
Speaker 7: So the next night we watched you know, we watched
Speaker 7: the next part of that episode because my PBA station
Speaker 7: serialized it throughout the week, so every day at seven
Speaker 7: o'clock we got another twenty minute episode, and we were
Speaker 7: pretty much hooked ever since. And then so I start looking.
Speaker 7: I looked further in the TV guide and I saw that, oh,
Speaker 7: on on Saturday night, they're showing two hours of Doctor Who.
Speaker 7: I'm like, maybe they'll showing a whole story. Cool, well
Speaker 7: that was a John Pertwee story. Now, we had been
Speaker 7: watching Tom Baker. Now all of a sudden, it's John
Speaker 7: Pertwee as the doctor. My father and I looked at
Speaker 7: each other. We're like, what the hell's happening here? Because
Speaker 7: it's black and white, there's completely different people. There's the Tartist.
Speaker 7: The Tartist is still there, so it's definitely the same show.
Speaker 7: But we were like, well, maybe this is like like
Speaker 7: a James Bond thing where they just you know, switch
Speaker 7: actors out now and then and don't ever talk about it.
Speaker 7: But eventually we saw Tom Baker regenerate into Peter Davison
Speaker 7: and and and then we were like, oh okay. And
Speaker 7: then when the twentieth anniversary of the show came along,
Speaker 7: my father picked up one of those big Doctor Who encyclopedias.
Speaker 7: It was like, I think it was called twenty Years
Speaker 7: of Time and Space or something like that, and it
Speaker 7: had like the history of the show up through then,
Speaker 7: and it had like a list of all the episodes.
Speaker 7: And that was how I discovered that a lot of
Speaker 7: the episodes of the old show were missing, because you know,
Speaker 7: it listed all the episodes and it said episodes two, three, five,
Speaker 7: and seven missing, and I'm like, what do you mean missing?
Speaker 8: Missing?
Speaker 7: So that's how I got into Doctor Who, and I've
Speaker 7: kind of been hooked ever since.
Speaker 5: And You've written a song about those missing episodes that
Speaker 5: you did a video.
Speaker 8: I did write a song about those missing episodes, So.
Speaker 4: Maybe we should hear that now it's called lost in
Speaker 4: Time and the video is found on YouTube. Is all right,
Speaker 4: so let's hear that.
Speaker 10: We know the domas mass to plan, but can they
Speaker 10: destroy the Doctor BESSI and the BBC can because the
Speaker 10: beeaceless ones at the top decided to erase all the
Speaker 10: tapes and clean shot the Mocker. Terror was no match
Speaker 10: for the fury from the deep recesses of the BBC,
Speaker 10: who decided to reuse the tapes at a staggery, pace
Speaker 10: revolving around like a wheel and space.
Speaker 9: The evasion on the Yachives was a pitio to me.
Speaker 10: It feels like.
Speaker 9: They erased my wedding.
Speaker 6: Giddy.
Speaker 10: Oh now I'm grabbed in a weapon fear that they
Speaker 10: may never reappear and I'll have missed Deborah Watman's career.
Speaker 10: The band boys around the crusade to try to find them,
Speaker 10: and they won't stop until every story is behind them.
Speaker 10: It's going They're returning ground jewels to the throne. It's
Speaker 10: admission to the unknownst time I met Deborah Watling at
Speaker 10: a con once fuss before I had ever seen a
Speaker 10: single episode with Victoria oh S.
Speaker 8: Talk about awkward dinner.
Speaker 9: Conversation Baha time.
Speaker 10: The savage is at the BBC didn't want us to
Speaker 10: see what their team myth makers had undertake. If they
Speaker 10: were mistake, the episode was worth forsaken and their reign
Speaker 10: of terror was unshaken. Now, what's up to the smugglers
Speaker 10: to try to bring them back and complete the collection?
Speaker 10: In my rack, I need to fill in the gap.
Speaker 10: But my favorite show, but they could be on a
Speaker 10: moon biggest for all we know? Will they ever again
Speaker 10: be shown?
Speaker 9: Men?
Speaker 10: I don't know, men harder to find, and the abominable Snowmen.
Speaker 9: Hopefully we may see them all once more in the future.
Speaker 10: While I play Mario Gallin's four The Highlanders fought a
Speaker 10: whole war in the Kilts. I want to know how
Speaker 10: to do that on a family show. And I like
Speaker 10: the way Patrick Trumper frolics when he faces the evil
Speaker 10: of the Daleks hosted Time Marco paused Time Marko.
Speaker 6: Paws.
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, I can't find you guys anywhere I get Boss.
Speaker 9: Now, the show is a hit, So what are we
Speaker 9: gonna do with it right away? What we're through with it?
Speaker 6: Else to do?
Speaker 9: Since the show was no longer new. The Advantagers too.
Speaker 10: It's a popular show, but now the episodes have to
Speaker 10: go there doesn't need to know.
Speaker 6: Perhaps this was a mistake.
Speaker 9: She happened to find an old dook to who episodes?
Speaker 3: Please return it to the BBC.
Speaker 10: I'm out every Christmas, I asked the Celestial Toy Maker.
Speaker 9: Can you blame me for new episodes?
Speaker 10: But Zoey Janey, I keep hoping the Space Pirates will
Speaker 10: bring them all back so I can see the Underwater
Speaker 10: Minutes attack, the wiping of the taste was worse than
Speaker 10: the massacurb scene for thousand yus and a curson that
Speaker 10: it has occurred in even the power of the dialects
Speaker 10: couldn't stop it, and now we can't even photoshop it.
Speaker 10: Scientists have actually found a real tenth planet somehow that
Speaker 10: was easier, but out on understanding they'll probably find real
Speaker 10: heightst Warriors too. Before We're Missing, Doctor Who Lost Time
Speaker 10: ninety seven episodes of Doctor Who Are Missing? Was twenty
Speaker 10: six stories are missing or incomplete wasted till the.
Speaker 9: World is never going to lose us episode of Honey
Speaker 9: Boo Boo BOSSI bosting Time.
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 4: That was Lost in Time from Devo Spice Office Doctor Who. Uh,
Speaker 4: what's the name of the album I Am the Doctor?
Speaker 8: I Am the Doctor?
Speaker 5: Yes, And it has a great great hologrand cover.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a a lenticular print cover where I tried
Speaker 7: to simulate the the opening of the show with you know,
Speaker 7: traveling through the time tunnel, and so it's a three
Speaker 7: three image scene with the I have this Doctor Who
Speaker 7: Devo Spice parody logo, so you see that logo and
Speaker 7: then you see my face and then it says I
Speaker 7: am the Doctor. So you move it back and forth.
Speaker 7: It kind of looks like the opening of the show
Speaker 7: and it's really cool.
Speaker 5: So why are there lost episodes?
Speaker 7: Well, the BBC at the time had was on a
Speaker 7: very very tight budget and apparently videotape is extremely expensive,
Speaker 7: and so what they would do is they would record
Speaker 7: the show, Eric make copies for all the stations that
Speaker 7: syndicated the show, and then they re used the tape.
Speaker 7: And to make matters worse, when they sent copies to
Speaker 7: the to the other stations around the world, they were
Speaker 7: sent with explicit instructions to like destroy the tape after
Speaker 7: the show airs. So the fact that we've gotten any
Speaker 7: of these episodes back is kind of a miracle because
Speaker 7: they're not supposed to exist.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and one of the things that that I didn't
Speaker 6: know about the reason why there's there's missing episodes, all
Speaker 6: that's that's absolutely the way it was. One thing I
Speaker 6: learned by reading tat Wood and Lawrence Miles's series of
Speaker 6: guide books, the About Time series. I don't know if
Speaker 6: you're familiar with them. It examines every story in the
Speaker 6: context of British culture and politics at the time, which
Speaker 6: is just it's like thousands of pages, but one of
Speaker 6: the reasons why they felt like they didn't have any
Speaker 6: reason to keep this stuff around. It was the cost
Speaker 6: of the videotape, that's absolutely true, and it was also
Speaker 6: the fact that the agreement with the with the Actors' unions,
Speaker 6: the screen actors Unions in Britain, meant that up until
Speaker 6: the late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties, I believe there
Speaker 6: was no actual legal way the BBC could broadcast reruns
Speaker 6: outside of the season in which the episodes were shown,
Speaker 6: or there was some sort of regulation like that. And
Speaker 6: there's also just within the Doctor Who production office for
Speaker 6: a very long time, a complete sort of sort of
Speaker 6: forbiddenness to showing or really making much mention of the
Speaker 6: show outside of whoever the current Doctor was. So you
Speaker 6: might have reruns from that season happened, but there was
Speaker 6: never any sort of idea that we would go back
Speaker 6: and see, you know, previous things. I think the first
Speaker 6: time they did that was after Logopolis, when Baker regenerated
Speaker 6: into Davison. There was a very very long break before
Speaker 6: the Peter Davison stories started up, almost a year, like
Speaker 6: a full calendar year or so, and so they had
Speaker 6: this event called the Five Faces of Doctor Who, where
Speaker 6: they broadcast a story from each one of the doctors.
Speaker 6: They kind of cheated because their Davison entry was the
Speaker 6: two seconds of Davison at the end of Logopolis, which
Speaker 6: is really kind of a ripoff. But he hadn't really
Speaker 6: done anything yet. And if you look at what was
Speaker 6: available in nineteen eighty one for them to show, it's
Speaker 6: just it's just kind of kind of sad. I'm trying
Speaker 6: to remember it was. They had to be had to
Speaker 6: be four episode stories, so that left out a lot
Speaker 6: of good stuff. So I think they showed Unearthly Child,
Speaker 6: which just makes sense. For Trouton, I think that it
Speaker 6: was the Crotons, So if you've seen the Crotons, oh
Speaker 6: my gosh, oh god, the quarks, Oh my god, the quarks.
Speaker 8: But that was the practical Robots ever.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but but it was the only it was the
Speaker 6: only four part trout And story that existed at the time.
Speaker 6: Two of the Cybermen wouldn't be found for decades, and
Speaker 6: then rob was more than four mind Robber was five episodes,
Speaker 6: and so was the Dominators. Couldn't squeeze that in, so
Speaker 6: they that wouldn't work. And and for pert We I
Speaker 6: think it was Carnival of Monsters, which is awesome. And uh,
Speaker 6: because if they used the Day of the Daleks, they
Speaker 6: I think they probably would have had to pay Terry
Speaker 6: Nation money or something. Yeah, and nobody wants to see
Speaker 6: Death of the Daleks anyway because it sucks. But and
Speaker 6: then for for Baker, I think I think Logopolis was
Speaker 6: their Baker entry to and out of all the Baker stories,
Speaker 6: why pick anyone from any of that season when you've
Speaker 6: got you know, Pyramans of Mars right there. But but yeah,
Speaker 6: so that was so there's there's sort of weird obscure
Speaker 6: union rules about why they just didn't think they'd need
Speaker 6: these episodes. And of course, you know, home video players
Speaker 6: didn't exist either, So.
Speaker 7: That's what I was just gonna mention. They The other
Speaker 7: thing that the other reasoning behind this thing that I
Speaker 7: heard was that once the BBC aired the show and
Speaker 7: sent it off to syndication, there was no other way
Speaker 7: for them to make money on that episode ever again
Speaker 7: until home video came along, and then all of a
Speaker 7: sudden they were like, wait a minute, we can make
Speaker 7: money again. And then all of a sudden they started
Speaker 7: trying to get the episodes back and it's been a
Speaker 7: mad scramble ever since.
Speaker 6: And even that was this convoluted bureaucratic nightmare because they
Speaker 6: had to create you know, BBC Worldwide, which was the
Speaker 6: commercial arm of the BBC, because the BBC, as a
Speaker 6: public broadcaster, wasn't allowed to make money, so they had
Speaker 6: to set up a separate corporation to exploit BBC properties
Speaker 6: in order to make money. And as a result of this,
Speaker 6: all the money that doctor Who made through merchandising, videotape, sales, books,
Speaker 6: all of it just went back into the general BBC budget,
Speaker 6: which is why no matter how much money Doctor Who
Speaker 6: made for the BBC, their budgets always just sort of
Speaker 6: got smaller.
Speaker 9: Yeah, which is just I was wondering about that.
Speaker 7: That makes sense, Yep, it's yeah, It's all socialism's fault.
Speaker 4: So how come we have any old doctor who if
Speaker 4: they were told, if they normally erased them and were
Speaker 4: told to destroy.
Speaker 7: Them, pure luck, a lot of the stations just forgot
Speaker 7: to throw them out, and so you know, every so
Speaker 7: often they'll come across a stash of them. Sometimes they
Speaker 7: were illegally sold to private collectors. But I believe Tom
Speaker 7: of the Cybermen was found in possession of a private collector.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it was in Hong Kong, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: It was somewhere somewhere in Age. I was trying to
Speaker 7: remember whether it was Japan or where. But I heard
Speaker 7: a story. I don't know if this is true or not,
Speaker 7: but I heard stories that when the BBC heard that
Speaker 7: they had found tomb of the Cybermen, they sent a
Speaker 7: BBC representative over there with a briefcase that was handcuffed
Speaker 7: to his arm to bring back.
Speaker 5: So did the BBC have any of them?
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, Uh. There were some episodes that were kept
Speaker 6: as for for various reasons. Unearthly Child the first story
Speaker 6: was kept because it was the first one. There were others.
Speaker 6: I can't remember all of the ones that were kept,
Speaker 6: but there were some that were kept. If if an
Speaker 6: episode used some sort of innovative production technique or had
Speaker 6: something kind of unique about it, it would it would
Speaker 6: generally be held onto Uh. Producers could could designate stories
Speaker 6: or episodes that they wanted to to be saved as
Speaker 6: a product as a you know, evidence of of stuff
Speaker 6: they'd done. Same thing with directors if they wanted footage
Speaker 6: for you know, uh, you know, a promo reel or
Speaker 6: for like a resume or something. I think from what
Speaker 6: I've read, if this is accurate, that's the only reason
Speaker 6: we the only reason we have the web Planet is
Speaker 6: because those costumes and the bizarre set and on all
Speaker 6: of the weird chore choreography and the web planet that
Speaker 6: Artnell's story it was. It was strange enough that it
Speaker 6: was kept as as sort of reference material for the
Speaker 6: first time. Some of this stuff was.
Speaker 7: Done so so there were there were exceptions to the
Speaker 7: to the junk everything rule. But that's why we have
Speaker 7: some episodes of some stories and not complete stories. In
Speaker 7: a lot of cases, we don't need all, you know,
Speaker 7: six episodes of whatever, because you know, episode three has
Speaker 7: the footage that we need for our archival purposes.
Speaker 5: M All right, let's hear something else from your from
Speaker 5: your CD okay evo, Why don't you pick? What song?
Speaker 5: Shall we hear?
Speaker 7: Oh, let's do the Regeneration just because it has an
Speaker 7: awesome cameo by Sophie Aldred and she was so great
Speaker 7: to work with.
Speaker 5: Did you did you just contact her to see if
Speaker 5: she was interesting? Yeah?
Speaker 7: I contacted a lot of people from Doctor Who and
Speaker 7: to just you know to try to.
Speaker 9: Okay, let me let me get back up a little bit.
Speaker 9: I was booked to.
Speaker 7: Perform at a convention in twenty twelve where Sylvester McCoy
Speaker 7: was going to be a guest, and the convention emailed
Speaker 7: me and said, hey, Sylvester, me and one of the
Speaker 7: other musicians performing and said, hey, Sylvester wants to do
Speaker 7: something with you guys during opening ceremonies. And I'm like,
Speaker 7: a doctor wants to perform with me?
Speaker 9: Twist my arm?
Speaker 8: Why don't you? Okay?
Speaker 7: So I was like, so I emailed. I emailed the
Speaker 7: the con and I was like, hey, do you think
Speaker 7: we can record whatever we're doing and then I could
Speaker 7: use it on my album because then I'd have a
Speaker 7: doctor on my album and it would be amazing. And
Speaker 7: they ran that past Sylvester and he was fine with it,
Speaker 7: and then unfortunately he had to cancel the last minute,
Speaker 7: so he canceled. Peter Davison replaced him. So that's how
Speaker 7: I managed to get Peter Davison on the album because
Speaker 7: I was performing at this convention where Peter Davison was
Speaker 7: and so I when they announced the subsetitution, I contacted
Speaker 7: the con again and I'm like, hey, can you talk
Speaker 7: to Peter see if we can arrange something for the show. Well,
Speaker 7: they talked to him five minutes before opening ceremonies and
Speaker 7: we were going on stage, so I don't know whether
Speaker 7: they he felt backed into a corner or not, but
Speaker 7: he agreed to do it, so I have the recording.
Speaker 7: Then once I got him on the song, it was
Speaker 7: easier to approach other people. I also have a brief
Speaker 7: history with Katie Manning because I performed at a convention
Speaker 7: where she was the MC and she remembered me because
Speaker 7: she introduced me as doctor Demento once rather than saying
Speaker 7: I was on Doctor Demento, so she remembered that. And
Speaker 7: then once I got her, I just started contacting other people.
Speaker 7: And I did get turned down by several of the actors.
Speaker 7: A couple I was never able to contact. But Sophie Aldred,
Speaker 7: you know, I approached her through her her voice acting agent,
Speaker 7: and she loved the whole concept for what I was
Speaker 7: doing and the song and everything, and she was she
Speaker 7: was fanta, absolutely fantastic to work with.
Speaker 5: All Right, Well, here's the regeneration from Devo Space.
Speaker 9: But there's a new dance craze.
Speaker 10: That affects your ways, and when you do what you'll
Speaker 10: be feeling the effects for dat.
Speaker 9: But it ain't does really nothing to it.
Speaker 10: Just listen to my murder saying you can learn to
Speaker 10: do it and be a whole new person.
Speaker 9: Trust me.
Speaker 10: Now, have I ever led you astray? It's really easy
Speaker 10: to do if you're from yallop right. If not, well,
Speaker 10: let me take a little precice.
Speaker 9: But don't panic yet. Let me tell you what the
Speaker 9: act is.
Speaker 10: First you have to get hurt, like a like attacked
Speaker 10: by the ronnie or perhaps.
Speaker 3: He got shot.
Speaker 9: Then you stepped to the left, staggertude the right, throw
Speaker 9: your head back.
Speaker 10: And from up a yellow light, come up with something
Speaker 10: witty if you can, and such.
Speaker 9: You try not to freak out. You're compaying your tune.
Speaker 10: Wuck you do with the news dance sweeping the nation
Speaker 10: and everybody do the regeneration. But once you're all done,
Speaker 10: you should be a whole man or woman or China
Speaker 10: or whatever you can. Then you'll have another lifetime to
Speaker 10: hot as that sounds, so you can try and not
Speaker 10: to screw it up the seventh time around. There means
Speaker 10: more time to find people to assist, more time to
Speaker 10: find the hand of Omiga or never assist. More time
Speaker 10: to wonder where you left your Parki's last, and more
Speaker 10: time to torment your young friend about her pass. You
Speaker 10: can learn to do it if you think you can,
Speaker 10: like if you need to hide from your uncle wink.
Speaker 9: Again, or if you got it crazy.
Speaker 10: Yes, it won't give you a long stree arranger DNA
Speaker 10: and change a number on your phone.
Speaker 9: Do it one time. I guarantee you'll be amazed.
Speaker 10: Turn your hands to the side and act like you're
Speaker 10: being tensed.
Speaker 9: It's the hot news dance Crazy to sweeping the nation.
Speaker 9: Everybody knew the regeneration.
Speaker 1: I love this new dance, professor, But I have.
Speaker 9: A question, Yes, what does it? Is it safe? Well,
Speaker 9: of course it's safe. Whatever do you mean, Well, you
Speaker 9: know with my backpack? Ah, of course? Well you know,
Speaker 9: if I were you, I would remove the nitrobe.
Speaker 1: I had a feeling you were going to say that.
Speaker 10: Some people can't do it, but they want a new life,
Speaker 10: so they cheat the way you would go one to
Speaker 10: the night sharing Michael Jackman could possibly look weird or
Speaker 10: now there's.
Speaker 9: No way that we can say the cheerleader almos.
Speaker 6: How to do it?
Speaker 10: So does hate to stand back because she's likely to
Speaker 10: blow up the whole place where.
Speaker 9: She can give the demonstration. I'm gonna show you how
Speaker 9: it's done.
Speaker 10: So get on the dance floor and tell yourself a
Speaker 10: new one in and out as whirl around and around,
Speaker 10: grab your chest.
Speaker 9: Like red bus and make a wheezing sound.
Speaker 10: The heat on your body temperature to fife on the
Speaker 10: Telvin and you can cheat pet with. I'm resorting to
Speaker 10: a Melvin. It'll beat you up with such a school touch.
Speaker 10: What your fashion says probably won't improve much in the
Speaker 10: hot new Dan trees and sweep in the nation. Everybody
Speaker 10: the regeneration.
Speaker 8: All right, So.
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Speaker 5: What happened to Doctor Who? When did it go off
Speaker 5: the air? Originally, there's there's a couple of different stories.
Speaker 5: Let me let me tell my the story that I remember. Okay,
Speaker 5: in oh, I want to say nineteen eighty five or
Speaker 5: eighty six, the show was quote unquote canceled. This was
Speaker 5: when Colin Baker was the Doctor and the BBC just
Speaker 5: just said, Okay, that's it, We're done, no more Doctor Who.
Speaker 5: And there was an amazing outpouring from the fans. They
Speaker 5: got tons and tons of letters, you know, demanding that
Speaker 5: the show will be brought back. And the BBC after
Speaker 5: some time backpedaled and they said, okay, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: we weren't. You didn't really cancel the show. We just
Speaker 5: kind of put it on hiatus. We want to make
Speaker 5: some changes to the show, keep it fresh, you know.
Speaker 5: And the only thing they changed was they fired Colin
Speaker 5: and they brought in Sylvester McCoy. Now I got that
Speaker 5: story directly from Colin Baker at a convention. I know
Speaker 5: that's not the official story of what happened, but that's
Speaker 5: the story I heard from Colin. And then eventually they
Speaker 5: they so they ran Sylvester for like three years, and
Speaker 5: then eventually they said, all right, enough of this.
Speaker 8: So, Aaron, what were you gonna say?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's generally, that's generally the pattern from what
Speaker 6: I've from what I've read the eighty five eighty six
Speaker 6: hyat and cancelation, it was there were a number of factors.
Speaker 6: One was declining ratings. I think they were doing forty
Speaker 6: five minute episodes instead of twenty five that season.
Speaker 7: And the first the time the Trial of a Time Lord.
Speaker 7: So yeah, a season long story arc that people just
Speaker 7: couldn't keep up with.
Speaker 6: Right, And so that was Colin's second season, and that
Speaker 6: was after the hiatus, So they have his first full
Speaker 6: regular season, the hiatus, and then Trial of a Time Lord,
Speaker 6: which was, you know, just it. It was a season
Speaker 6: long story that was actually for individual stories unless you
Speaker 6: looked at it funny, and then it was one story
Speaker 6: except when they said it wasn't. But his first season,
Speaker 6: for example, I don't know the figures off the top
Speaker 6: of my head, but the two episodes of Attack of
Speaker 6: the Cybermen, which was the first the first season story.
Speaker 6: In that season, he'd regenerated into Colin Baker in Caves Vanderzani,
Speaker 6: which was actually the last story of the previous season,
Speaker 6: which was weird, and so the ratings dropped almost in
Speaker 6: half between the first episode of Attack of the Cybermen
Speaker 6: and the second episode of Attack of the Cybermen, and
Speaker 6: it never it never came back really from that point,
Speaker 6: and so ratings were part of it. The show had
Speaker 6: become a little more violent, a lot less humorous, and
Speaker 6: the BBC higher ups didn't like that. But one of
Speaker 6: the big reasons was money. They asked Doctor Who and
Speaker 6: then said, oh, wait, no, no, it's just temporary. It's
Speaker 6: it's just we're resting it. But they canceled quite a
Speaker 6: few shows because they needed money to start up a
Speaker 6: new daytime broadcasting initiative. So basically, from what I understand it,
Speaker 6: and I'm no accountant, what they sort of did was
Speaker 6: they kind of moved Doctor Who to a different part
Speaker 6: of the fiscal year budgeting process and cut the number
Speaker 6: of episodes to just fourteen fourteen twenty five minute episodes.
Speaker 6: And it was that way for Trial of a Time
Speaker 6: Lord and all of McCoy's stories. And then after McCoy's
Speaker 6: three years, they really didn't know what to do with it.
Speaker 6: They'd put it on Monday nights, thinking nobody watches Coronation
Speaker 6: Street and Doctor Who. Coronation Street was this, you know,
Speaker 6: very popular soap opera, and actually that's not entirely true. Demographically,
Speaker 6: there were lots of people who watched both, but now
Speaker 6: they had to choose, and they chose the soap opera.
Speaker 6: And then there was another thing going through the BBC
Speaker 6: at the time that was sort of a Margaret Thatchery
Speaker 6: Conservative Britain sort of thing, which was the BBC being
Speaker 6: required to outsource a certain percentage of their programming. So
Speaker 6: the BBC was looking for ways to offload programs onto
Speaker 6: other production companies and they assumed that's what was going
Speaker 6: to happen with Doctor Who, but they weren't sure they
Speaker 6: wanted to do it. And then if you were paying
Speaker 6: attention in the nineties to some of this stuff, you
Speaker 6: see lots of references to a Doctor Who film being made.
Speaker 6: Dudley Moore is going to be the doctor. David Hasselhoff
Speaker 6: is going to be the doctor.
Speaker 9: Oh god, I know who who is?
Speaker 6: Another one? Uh, Elliott Gould is going to be the doctor.
Speaker 6: You know, they had all these all these stories and
Speaker 6: the BBC for a while was like, well, if the
Speaker 6: movie's going to get made. Let's hold off on TV
Speaker 6: so we aren't competing with the Films Unit. And there
Speaker 6: were just all of these different things that kept them
Speaker 6: kept putting off bringing it back until they just said, well,
Speaker 6: now it's been too long, we can't bring it back.
Speaker 6: So it it just sort of it just sort of
Speaker 6: fizzled out. The Doctor Who production office kept running, the
Speaker 6: producer kept coming in, the staff kept coming in for
Speaker 6: about a year after that last season, until the BBC said,
Speaker 6: you can all just stay home because we don't know,
Speaker 6: we aren't really sure what we're doing.
Speaker 3: With us yet.
Speaker 6: So it wasn't like a big, massive climactic finale or anything.
Speaker 6: It was just it just didn't come back one.
Speaker 5: Year and then they did do the one movie.
Speaker 8: Oh, yeah, they did, And what was the story with that?
Speaker 7: Okay, have you seen the Michael Bay Transformers film. Yes,
Speaker 7: that's kind of what happened to Doctor Who.
Speaker 6: The only thing I can say about the ninety six
Speaker 6: TV movie with the Pert Wee logo and Paul McGannon
Speaker 6: is that it could have been much much worse. Sure,
Speaker 6: most of the yeah, most of the original plans were
Speaker 6: to completely reboot it, with the Doctor and the Master
Speaker 6: being Brothers and the whole series if it got picked
Speaker 6: up for a series, the whole series revolving around the
Speaker 6: Doctor rebelling from Time Lord society to go and look
Speaker 6: for his lost father, whose name was Ulysses. Yes, that's right,
Speaker 6: and that it was that Daleks were going to have
Speaker 6: been created by Davrose, who was a ad Time Lord scientist,
Speaker 6: and it was it was a mess. Everything was all
Speaker 6: Joseph Campbell Hero's quest stuff, which doesn't work in Doctor
Speaker 6: Who because the Doctor Who is the wise figure. He's
Speaker 6: not the young man. He's that's the thing. And if
Speaker 6: everyone wants to redo Doctor Who in the nineties as
Speaker 6: this sort of star wars like heroes quest, and they
Speaker 6: keep thinking the doctors Luke Skywalker, but the doctor's Obi
Speaker 6: wan Kenobi. Yeah, and they never really picked up on that.
Speaker 6: So the fact that we got an actual you know,
Speaker 6: in series regeneration from Doctor six, Doctor seven, I mean yeah,
Speaker 6: Doctor seven to Doctor Aid, the fact that we got
Speaker 6: the Master, albeit Eric Roberts. You know, it could have
Speaker 6: been worse, but it could have been a lot better.
Speaker 6: At least we got Paul McGann out of it, who
Speaker 6: was great.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I kind of I don't want to say
Speaker 7: blamed him, but I kind I had kind of written
Speaker 7: him off because of that.
Speaker 8: That made for TV movie that they did, which I didn't.
Speaker 7: Hate, but I didn't really like it either, and I
Speaker 7: went back and rewatched it when I put out my
Speaker 7: concept album just because I had to write a song
Speaker 7: for the Eighth Doctor and that's the only thing that exists.
Speaker 7: So but when for the fiftieth anniversary, when they brought
Speaker 7: back mcgah for what was that The Night of the Doctor?
Speaker 7: That little short that was fantastic it was, and I thought, Wow,
Speaker 7: this guy was he really was given, you know, the
Speaker 7: short straw for his story, because I mean, he could
Speaker 7: have done it. He could have been a fantastic doctor.
Speaker 7: And I've heard good things about his the audiobooks that
Speaker 7: he's done, but I haven't listened to any of them.
Speaker 6: I've listened to a couple and it's just not I
Speaker 6: guess I'm just that type of drama just doesn't really
Speaker 6: play well. The biggest thing is when am I going
Speaker 6: to listen to this? I mean, I don't have time
Speaker 6: to just sit down for ninety minutes and listen to
Speaker 6: something I used to have, like a I used to
Speaker 6: commute two hours a day in my car, and I
Speaker 6: listened to a lot of stuff then, and that's when
Speaker 6: I listened to a lot of them. But now I
Speaker 6: commute like twenty five minutes a day.
Speaker 8: It's two and a half hours.
Speaker 6: So yeah, oh well, there there you go, pick up
Speaker 6: some big finish audios and and run through eighty thousand
Speaker 6: Paul McGann stories. Yeah, I thought he was I thought
Speaker 6: he was good in the TV movie. I like the
Speaker 6: TV movie less every time I watch it. I loved
Speaker 6: it when it came out. I loved the the interior
Speaker 6: of the tartist that that this sort of wood gothic tartist.
Speaker 6: I thought that was gorgeous. I thought Paul McGann was
Speaker 6: was a good doctor. And uh and it's just the
Speaker 6: the plot was nonsensical, and from what I understand, a
Speaker 6: lot of that was because it went through so many
Speaker 6: drafts and it was written by a committee. Basically.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that happens all the time, especially with americanizing
Speaker 7: anything or updating and rebooting anything, you know. I mean,
Speaker 7: look what's happening with the Wonder Woman movie. That's ever
Speaker 7: gonna happen?
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, Yeah, it's it's just a nightmare. And
Speaker 6: and it came out in ways that were really really
Speaker 6: frustrating in that movie, because I'm sure you and the
Speaker 6: listeners who've seen it remember the whole I'm half human thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, which I still have blocked out of my brain
Speaker 7: and refused to accept.
Speaker 6: And the only reason it's in there and I didn't
Speaker 6: really I I read more about Doctor Who than actual
Speaker 6: Doctor Whose stuff. I love the behind the scenes production
Speaker 6: history things. And that was a script left over from
Speaker 6: one of the earlier versions where the doctor was going
Speaker 6: to look for his lost father because his father, his
Speaker 6: father had married an earth woman and that was the
Speaker 6: doctor's mother, and so this was a plot point in
Speaker 6: a previous version, but it was so sloppily done that
Speaker 6: they just kept it in for some reason.
Speaker 8: It makes sense, Yeah, it's so.
Speaker 6: It was just it was, And from what I understand,
Speaker 6: it was filmed very very quickly. I mean, by the
Speaker 6: time they got a script, they didn't have much time
Speaker 6: and to get everybody's schedules lined up. It was. It
Speaker 6: was a rush job. It had a big budget, but
Speaker 6: it was it was. It was a rush And then
Speaker 6: the ratings in the States were not what it needed
Speaker 6: to go to a series, which is probably a good thing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's for the best. I would definitely say.
Speaker 6: Otherwise we wouldn't be talking here. Doctor Who. Would be
Speaker 6: you know, three guys in a goldfish in their basement
Speaker 6: talking about that weird old show, and it wouldn't be
Speaker 6: It wouldn't be a phenomenon where I can go to
Speaker 6: a mall in the American Midwest and go to Fye
Speaker 6: or any other music store and there's an entire section
Speaker 6: of Doctor Who merchandise. Yeah, I just I never thought
Speaker 6: i'd see the day.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: See, I remember the days, you know, where I'd go
Speaker 7: to a convention like you know, Icon in Long Island
Speaker 7: was my first convention, and that started as a dedicated
Speaker 7: Doctor Who convention, and by the nineties there was hardly
Speaker 7: any Doctor Who material there because the show had been
Speaker 7: off the air and there was there was nothing for
Speaker 7: them to do, and it was really depressing.
Speaker 6: Apart from from videotapes, which were few and far between
Speaker 6: in the States. I used to get really jealous reading
Speaker 6: Doctor Who magazine and all of these you know, videotapes
Speaker 6: that were coming out every month of stuff that my
Speaker 6: PBS station didn't show because they didn't show they usually
Speaker 6: didn't show the black and white stuff because I guess
Speaker 6: fewer people watched it so so Heartnell and Trouton. I
Speaker 6: had to wait a long time to see a lot
Speaker 6: of that. But they were expensive, like twenty bucks for
Speaker 6: a four episode story on this horrible VHS, and I
Speaker 6: actually thought about I was trying to save up my
Speaker 6: money to get a a p Al TV and video
Speaker 6: player so I could buy tapes from Britain to watch them.
Speaker 6: Before I realized that was incredibly stupid, but it was
Speaker 6: the biggest thing that they had going were the New Adventures,
Speaker 6: the original novels, which which I loved. I always tell
Speaker 6: people and say, well, who's your doctor, And I say
Speaker 6: Sylvester McCoy from the novels, because that's my air of
Speaker 6: the show. That's when there was that was the new
Speaker 6: Doctor Who that was being produced and when I was
Speaker 6: a young fan, and and so I read. I've read
Speaker 6: just about all of them. Then sold the Money Bay
Speaker 6: for gas money when I was in grad school and
Speaker 6: have slowly and expensively been trying to rebuild my collection.
Speaker 6: Occasionally I'll get to one of the half priced books chains,
Speaker 6: and I was at one in Indianapolis back in October
Speaker 6: and they had about fifty new adventures just on the shelf,
Speaker 6: and they're selling them for three bucks apiece. And I
Speaker 6: was like, I wish I could remember which ones I owned. Oh,
Speaker 6: screw it, I'll just buy them all, you know. I
Speaker 6: come home and my wife's like, how's the conference? And
Speaker 6: I was like, look at all these Doctor Who books
Speaker 6: I bought. It's like, why are we sending you to
Speaker 6: these things? But I'm like doctor Who books, So they're yeah,
Speaker 6: they're by the by the end of the nineties, it
Speaker 6: was just it was it was a wasteline.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, let's hear you saying us from your CD.
Speaker 5: Pick another one, Divo.
Speaker 7: Pick another one. We're probably leading into discussing the serious.
Speaker 7: So why don't we do Bad Wolf, which is my
Speaker 7: nice Doctor song, which features my daughter who was nine
Speaker 7: at the time of the recording, singing.
Speaker 4: Nice All right, So this is Deevo Spice with Bad
Speaker 4: Wolf office CD entitled I Am the Doctor, Big Bad Wolf, Big.
Speaker 11: Bad Wolf than Bank Bad Wolf, Make Damn Wolf.
Speaker 9: Were ay men, young men, you get over here, I
Speaker 9: mean word sick. While you've been off god.
Speaker 10: Knows where in some distant time enjoying alien you, Oh
Speaker 10: you've been fighting a time more.
Speaker 9: I'm I like the excuse. I've been stuck here. You
Speaker 9: know where time goes straight and while I've had to wait.
Speaker 10: Let me tell you things weren't great. There was nothing
Speaker 10: on TV but that maybe no surprise. Oh I had
Speaker 10: to watch Trek Star, Trek Enterprise, Good Bore you left
Speaker 10: mehind was annoying and substantial. There wasn't a show Fox
Speaker 10: couldn't wait to cancel, and no woman's videos on MTV.
Speaker 10: I'll tell you, man, the Golf channel ain't tempting me.
Speaker 6: I'll blame you.
Speaker 9: If you didn't lead me, I never would have had
Speaker 9: to battle with reality TV. It said we all had
Speaker 9: to hear.
Speaker 10: William hung sing and somehow, thanks to you, now Snookie
Speaker 10: is a thing.
Speaker 11: Bank pad Wolf make pampoof. Thank bank Padwolf. I wasn't
Speaker 11: take pampoof.
Speaker 10: I see that you still can't quite control it right.
Speaker 10: Returning goes a bull year after a twelve hour flight.
Speaker 10: If you can't return a guest to her time at
Speaker 10: herbie haest for her saying maybe you should go retake
Speaker 10: your driving test. You always did want to grab the
Speaker 10: tartans by the rains and control it like a child
Speaker 10: with the parent, great Danes, and it calls you great painties.
Speaker 9: Do you all of her creation? They won't, exactly, making
Speaker 9: for an ideal vacation. So what's the story. You're the
Speaker 9: last of your kind, the.
Speaker 10: Doggs are gone, the time lords are cold fine, and
Speaker 10: a time lock warn other than the main time stream.
Speaker 10: One question, what does that even mean? I deserve a
Speaker 10: better explanation than that. I defended the show. Remember rending
Speaker 10: attacks after nine hundred years, it should be me you
Speaker 10: were thanking. Remember you were not too old for a spanking.
Speaker 11: Bang bad woof bank bam wooing bam wood.
Speaker 5: Bad wolf.
Speaker 9: You didn't call, you didn't write.
Speaker 10: During all that time, I didn't know if you were
Speaker 10: dead or didn't become a street mind. Now know what
Speaker 10: what was going on really was the hardest, But I said,
Speaker 10: you had time to remodel the tartest. Oh my god,
Speaker 10: it wasn't a crappy movie for box, a half hearted
Speaker 10: attempt for our two hardest docks.
Speaker 9: It was nothing like the story's that events.
Speaker 10: So glorious from here to Racks at Morico fallipatorious.
Speaker 9: During that time, we couldn't find any mentions.
Speaker 10: There was almost nothing Doctor who related at conventions, but
Speaker 10: pap was still gathered rather than letting doctor the four
Speaker 10: of forty on the curp of episodes gone by.
Speaker 9: But now the whole depends.
Speaker 10: Anonymous meeting in the drunk, he says, run the brown
Speaker 10: of the sun has returned and depends.
Speaker 9: Can hardly wait to see the dollars attack. I can't
Speaker 9: tell you how great it feels to have your back.
Speaker 11: I'm make Pampoof Bank, Pampoof Bank, Pampoof make pampoof Bank,
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Speaker 4: All right, that was Devo Spice with bad Wolf and
Speaker 4: the artwork on this. You have a lot of drawings
Speaker 4: you did inside of it as you were, I assume growing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when I was a kid, I am an artist.
Speaker 7: I'm a classically trained illustrator, have a degree in illustration
Speaker 7: and whatnot. And but when I was a kid, I did,
Speaker 7: like I want to say, it was all in one night,
Speaker 7: but it may not have been. I did all of
Speaker 7: these portraits of like the first five doctors, because that's
Speaker 7: all there were at the time. And then I did,
Speaker 7: you know, I did the Master, and I did a
Speaker 7: dollc and then I did the Brigadier. And so then
Speaker 7: we started going to these conventions and some of these
Speaker 7: actors started showing up. So I actually have, you know,
Speaker 7: the drawing of John Pertwie that I did when I
Speaker 7: was ten years old is autographed by John Pertwi and
Speaker 7: I have the you know, the drawing of the Brigadier
Speaker 7: is autographed by the Brigadier. And you know, so it's
Speaker 7: one part of me is like, God, I could do
Speaker 7: so much better drawing now, But at the same time,
Speaker 7: I'll never have an autographed if I do a better
Speaker 7: drawing now.
Speaker 5: So all right, and before we get into the new series,
Speaker 5: back when it first started, weren't there a couple of
Speaker 5: movies that stood outside of the series as well.
Speaker 7: Yes, with Peter Cushing as the Doctor excuse me, with
Speaker 7: Peter Cushing as Doctor Who, the only time the characters
Speaker 7: ever introduced himself as Doctor Who.
Speaker 8: Yeah, those were weird, very weird.
Speaker 6: They were. They were good, I mean, one of them.
Speaker 6: The first one was was sort of a cinematic remake
Speaker 6: of the first doll Like serial, and the second one
Speaker 6: was a sort of similar remake of doll Like Invasion
Speaker 6: of Earth. But they were they were very strange. They're
Speaker 6: fun but uh, but they don't quite they don't quite
Speaker 6: fit anywhere.
Speaker 5: If it was a human doctor in it, he was
Speaker 5: just human.
Speaker 7: Susan I think was still his granddaughter, but there was
Speaker 7: something else, like like Ian was her brother or something.
Speaker 6: What it was was at least in the in the
Speaker 6: first one. In the first one, there it was it
Speaker 6: was it was you know, you know, silly old doctor
Speaker 6: who the inventor who invents the tartis and he has
Speaker 6: he has two granddaughters, Barbara and Susan.
Speaker 8: That's right.
Speaker 6: In was Barbara's boyfriend who ends up and then in
Speaker 6: the in Dollac Invasion Earth, it's uh, it's a forget
Speaker 6: the character's name, Tom, he's a cop and it's it's
Speaker 6: Bernard Cribbens. It's uh, it's uh, it's Donna Nobles grandpa.
Speaker 6: So so he's in uh, he's he's got the the distinction,
Speaker 6: if you want to call it, that of of having
Speaker 6: been in both. But if any of any of you
Speaker 6: guys out there remember Mystery Science Theater three thousand, the
Speaker 6: some of the guys from that are doing this riff
Speaker 6: tracks company now and they they've done the Mystery Science
Speaker 6: Theater riffing treatment on the two Peter Cushing movies and
Speaker 6: you can buy them at their side and they're they're
Speaker 6: pretty funny. There's there's lots of weird sort of fanish
Speaker 6: in jokes that that kind of surprised me. So so
Speaker 6: those are pretty funny. But yeah, those sort of existed
Speaker 6: outside of Doctor Who reality.
Speaker 5: Now did Did the BBC have anything to do with them?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 6: Not production wise, apart from apart from licensing. Apart from
Speaker 6: from licensing, the licensing the stuff. They saw it as
Speaker 6: a as a way to a way to to make
Speaker 6: some money and get some exposure for the series it
Speaker 6: was and of course, Uh, Terry Nation saw it as
Speaker 6: a chance to launch the Dollecs, especially in America. Uh.
Speaker 6: He spent most of the sixties trying to launch something
Speaker 6: in America, a Daleks only TV show, a TV show
Speaker 6: about dolls and humans who were fighting the dolls. Basically
Speaker 6: clinging to that little bit of you know, intellectual property
Speaker 6: he'd managed to hang on to.
Speaker 7: And we should mention, uh, copyright works a little different
Speaker 7: in the UK. When you write an episode of Doctor Who,
Speaker 7: if you invent a monster, you own that monster as
Speaker 7: you as the writer, own the rights to that monster
Speaker 7: and the BBC cannot use it again unless they license
Speaker 7: it from you. So Terry Nation owns the dolls and
Speaker 7: always will as far as I understand. So every time
Speaker 7: there's a dollar episode on TV, him or his estate
Speaker 7: gets you know whatever.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's and it's changed a little bit since then.
Speaker 6: They've got some agreements where where writers sort of assign
Speaker 6: the rights to the BBC as one of the conditions
Speaker 6: of working there. But it was the same thing with
Speaker 6: Mervyn Haysman and Henry Lincoln when they created the Great
Speaker 6: Intelligence and the Yetti for those trouting stories. And also
Speaker 6: also they got money for every time the every time,
Speaker 6: the uh, every time the Brigadier showed up for a
Speaker 6: really long time because he was in the Web of Fear,
Speaker 6: which was the a story written written by those guys.
Speaker 6: And also Derek Sherwin, who was the producer in the
Speaker 6: nineteen sixties, claims he invented unit and should be getting
Speaker 6: money for that, and it keeps threatening to take the
Speaker 6: BBC to court. There's an interview in the last issue
Speaker 6: of Doctor Who magazine with him where he gets really
Speaker 6: angry about it, and his recollection of events doesn't match
Speaker 6: up with almost anything I've ever written or read. So
Speaker 6: it's really weird. I think there's some borderline slander in
Speaker 6: there against some other production people. But but yeah, in general,
Speaker 6: the way it worked was yeah, yeah, Terry Nation owned
Speaker 6: the Daleks, and ray Cusick, who designed what the doles
Speaker 6: looked like, gets nothing because he was a BBC staff
Speaker 6: employee working in the special effects department, so his work
Speaker 6: on it was just, you know, part of his job.
Speaker 6: He doesn't have any ownership Terry Nation, who wrote the
Speaker 6: story and had the origin for it, but visually didn't.
Speaker 6: You know, there were some notes about what they might
Speaker 6: look like that ended up. I think that they move
Speaker 6: like Russian dancers, is what he said, or something like that.
Speaker 6: And so he's like, well, you know, I invented the
Speaker 6: whole thing, and the guy who actually, you.
Speaker 8: Know Russian dance I've ever seen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know it's but but but he's held on
Speaker 6: to that, and his estate is held onto that, and
Speaker 6: they still get his estates still gets to say in
Speaker 6: how the dialects are used, so they have like they
Speaker 6: can say, no, we don't like that, they aren't looking
Speaker 6: strong enough, we don't like that characterization, this plot's dumb
Speaker 6: something like that. So it's uh, he has a lot
Speaker 6: of power.
Speaker 5: Interesting, all right, So how did this new series come about?
Speaker 7: The only thing I heard about how you probably know
Speaker 7: more about it than I do, Aaron, But the only
Speaker 7: the way I heard it come about was I had
Speaker 7: heard that somebody knew came into the BBC and decided
Speaker 7: that Doctor Who needed to come back, and that was
Speaker 7: pretty much all I heard. And I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 7: if the BBC wants Doctor Who back, maybe Doctor Who
Speaker 7: will actually come back. And I got all excited.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Lorraine Hegessy became the head of Drama or head of
Speaker 6: series or something like that, and she wanted two things
Speaker 6: and one of them was Doctor Who and the other
Speaker 6: was Russell T. Davies writing a series or two or
Speaker 6: three for the BBC because he was doing really good
Speaker 6: business with some of the non BBC networks in Britain,
Speaker 6: and one of his conditions for working for the BBC,
Speaker 6: from what I've read, was he wanted to do Doctor Who,
Speaker 6: and he'd come up with something a few years before
Speaker 6: that ended up going nowhere, sort of a low budget
Speaker 6: relaunch of Doctor Who, which would have sort of taken
Speaker 6: place on a quiet suburban street and a child gets
Speaker 6: to know this old man who's lost his memory, who's
Speaker 6: the doctor at the end of the street, And so
Speaker 6: it would start out that way, and actually, that sounds kind.
Speaker 8: Of very cool and that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 6: But whether or not that would have grabbed the attention
Speaker 6: of the public like what we got is hard to understand.
Speaker 6: But they brought it back, and they he brought it
Speaker 6: back in a way that was the most Undoctor Who
Speaker 6: on BBC nineteen nineties, early two thousands way to do it.
Speaker 6: Everybody expected that if Doctor Who came back, it would
Speaker 6: be on like nine PM on a Friday, in one
Speaker 6: of the quote cult TV slots for science fiction shows.
Speaker 6: And Dave said, no, Doctor Who comes back. It has
Speaker 6: to come back like it was when it was popular,
Speaker 6: not like it was when it was canceled. It has
Speaker 6: to come back as something the entire family in the
Speaker 6: entire country sits down and watches on a Saturday evening.
Speaker 6: And everybody told him that's stupid. We watch reality shows
Speaker 6: on Saturdays. There's no such thing as family TV viewing anymore.
Speaker 6: We're all busted up into these little demographics. And he said, no,
Speaker 6: we can do this, and so they decided to go
Speaker 6: with this and find an excellent actor and an actress
Speaker 6: who was excellent but nobody thought she would be. She
Speaker 6: was sort of amicus.
Speaker 7: I was so afraid of what why No was gonna
Speaker 7: be because when when they announced the casting, then you know,
Speaker 7: they announced Christopherglsson as a doctor and the only thing
Speaker 7: I knew him from was twenty eight days later, and
Speaker 7: I was like, okay, sure. And then I was at
Speaker 7: a convention and somebody had described Billy Piper to me
Speaker 7: as England's version of Britney Spears yep, yep, And I went, oh,
Speaker 7: dear God, no, yeah, because all I was picturing was
Speaker 7: like the doctor fighting in sync, you know, right, and
Speaker 7: and and she just she ended up being just incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 7: she was amazing and and it was it was really
Speaker 7: really good. And the ratings came in for that for
Speaker 7: that premiere episode and they far exceeded what they thought
Speaker 7: they would get, and then the ratings kept up the
Speaker 7: whole the whole season.
Speaker 4: It was it was incredible, and it won people over
Speaker 4: on on this side of the Atlantic as well pretty quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I think that was probably the biggest surprise.
Speaker 5: It was to me.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know, I don't know if I
Speaker 6: don't know if you guys remember, but there was a
Speaker 6: lot of question at the time about whether or not
Speaker 6: it would even air in the United States they or
Speaker 6: or when it would air, because they had a hard
Speaker 6: time figuring out where this was going to be because
Speaker 6: BBC America wasn't really up and running yet, and where
Speaker 6: when it was running, you know, there were a lot
Speaker 6: of cable systems that didn't have it, or it was
Speaker 6: a premium channel sort of on the you know, the
Speaker 6: second or third tier. So they they I think the
Speaker 6: first season, the first it was on Sci Fi Channel,
Speaker 6: and I remember being being terrified we weren't going to
Speaker 6: see it. So when the first episode when Rose leaked
Speaker 6: out onto the internet a couple of weeks before the premiere,
Speaker 6: I think the Statute of Limitations is up. I I
Speaker 6: downloaded that sucker.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, so I still had burned it on me Too,
Speaker 7: Me Too v CD format or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 7: And I know, no I had I had a DVD
Speaker 7: player that would play divocs files, so I burned the
Speaker 7: devics file to it too.
Speaker 6: It does, but but yeah, I was I was like,
Speaker 6: there's no way I'm not watching this now. I will
Speaker 6: say I did not try to find the leaked episodes
Speaker 6: of the most recent series that came out. I did
Speaker 6: not check those out, but but it was tempting. It's
Speaker 6: a little tempting, mostly because I love Peter Capaldi and
Speaker 6: other stuff. So I was really excited.
Speaker 4: And what do you think of the new doctors? Have
Speaker 4: they held up to the old doctors? Are they better
Speaker 4: than the old doctors?
Speaker 6: I think it depends on which one you're talking about.
Speaker 6: I think this is this is just my opinion. I
Speaker 6: loved Christopher Eckleston. I really liked David Tennant until the
Speaker 6: point where I got tired of David Tennant. I was
Speaker 6: okay with Matt Smith until the fiftieth anniversary special when
Speaker 6: I was reminded of just how good David Tenant was.
Speaker 6: And I love Peter Capaldi. I think I think Peter
Speaker 6: Capaldi is my favorite news series doctor, and it'd always
Speaker 6: been Ecleston, but but Peter Capaldi is really good. I think.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm kind kind of in the same boat.
Speaker 7: I thought Eckleston was fantastic as the doctor, absolutely amazing,
Speaker 7: and I was really upset that we only got one
Speaker 7: season out of Down. Yeah, I really liked David Tennant.
Speaker 7: He's probably my favorite of the new season the new series.
Speaker 9: Matt Smith.
Speaker 5: I like him as the doctor.
Speaker 7: I don't have anything against him, but I thought he
Speaker 7: I always thought he was too young for the role
Speaker 7: and he was too frantic. He just he comes in
Speaker 7: and he talks really really fast, and he babbles a lot,
Speaker 7: and he waves his sonic screwdriver around like a magic
Speaker 7: wand and then he runs away, and I was like, dude,
Speaker 7: first of all, stand up straight. You're gonna give yourself
Speaker 7: a bad back if you keep standing like that. And second,
Speaker 7: slow down, breathe. You know so, But you know that
Speaker 7: leads into my my song I Am the Doctor, because
Speaker 7: I intentionally did that song really fast, kind of making
Speaker 7: fun of the way Matt Smith plays a.
Speaker 8: Little so.
Speaker 9: And now Capaldi I like. I like him as the actor.
Speaker 8: I've been.
Speaker 7: Somewhat disappointed with the writing of this season because he's
Speaker 7: doing a lot of things that are Undoctor like or
Speaker 7: out of character, and it kind of takes me out
Speaker 7: of the series. But I think it It did get
Speaker 7: better towards the end, and I do think that it's
Speaker 7: going to be good going forward. I just hope the
Speaker 7: ratings can continue, you know, to survive it.
Speaker 6: I read somewhere that the BBC America ratings are almost
Speaker 6: thirty percent higher on average this season than previous season.
Speaker 6: Oh really, so that's that's very good. There's an interview
Speaker 6: with Stephen Moffatt where he mentioned something about that and
Speaker 6: that the British ratings that if you calculate people who
Speaker 6: watch online on the BBC Eye Player, the ratings, the
Speaker 6: overall viewing figures have not changed. The way the ratings
Speaker 6: are calculated is a little bit more confusing now because
Speaker 6: of time shifting and all of that. But he didn't
Speaker 6: sound worried, of course, you know, he wouldn't write. But
Speaker 6: I think I don't see it. I don't see it
Speaker 6: going away. I do well.
Speaker 9: I'm not worried about it being canceled at any time soon.
Speaker 6: But I'm always worried about it being canceled. It's doctor
Speaker 6: who I you know, it was an institution for twenty
Speaker 6: six years and then it just wasn't there. We can't
Speaker 6: take anything for granted. We must be constantly anxious. I
Speaker 6: think one of the things I liked about this last
Speaker 6: season is I liked the difference in the in the
Speaker 6: characterization with The Doctor. I liked the harder edge. I
Speaker 6: liked the undoctorness because if you look back at William Hartnell,
Speaker 6: he was completely undoctor like in the way that we've
Speaker 6: come to come to see the Doctor. One thing I
Speaker 6: really liked about this season is that I was able
Speaker 6: to follow what was going on. There were little threads
Speaker 6: being placed here and there, and I could follow them.
Speaker 6: And during the Matt Smith years, I just got frustrated.
Speaker 8: It was those storylines were so confusing.
Speaker 6: It was just so I'm still not sure what the
Speaker 6: hell the silence are about, and I don't.
Speaker 7: Care, and I I'm rewatching the show with my kids
Speaker 7: and I'm like, there's no way my kids are following
Speaker 7: what's going on here because I don't know what the
Speaker 7: hell's going on most of the time.
Speaker 6: It delved into science fiction TV territory, and it's that
Speaker 6: sort of thing that drove away viewers in the eighties,
Speaker 6: was that these constant continuity references and trying to have
Speaker 6: to keep up and the idea that if you if
Speaker 6: you sit down, if a viewer sits down and watches
Speaker 6: something and they don't know what's going on there, I
Speaker 6: can keep watching and I worried about the series running
Speaker 6: into that. I like what they did with Clara this season.
Speaker 6: I think they made her into an actual character and
Speaker 6: not just a plot device like she was in the
Speaker 6: run up to the fiftieth anniversary or the the oh
Speaker 6: what was it? The the finale Impossible Girl thing where
Speaker 6: she went back through time and saved the Doctor. I
Speaker 6: liked that that they I won. I liked that they
Speaker 6: kept Clara because I think she's great, and two I
Speaker 6: liked that they actually made something out of her. But
Speaker 6: I thought this season was was good. There were a
Speaker 6: few clunkers. I thought Time Heist was lousy.
Speaker 7: See I enjoyed Time Heist. The one I thought was
Speaker 7: lousy was Robot of Sherwood. I like kind of a divisive,
Speaker 7: divisive episode. I know, I know some some of my
Speaker 7: friends absolutely loved that episode. I sat there watching it
Speaker 7: with like the snarl on my face, going, what the
Speaker 7: hell am I watching?
Speaker 6: I liked it for the I liked it for that
Speaker 6: the Doctor Robin dialogue, I think that's.
Speaker 9: Exactly what I didn't like.
Speaker 7: I didn't like that they were trying to the Doctor
Speaker 7: was trying to show off to Clara that he is
Speaker 7: you know, the more important of the two or whatever.
Speaker 7: That's one of the things for me that was very
Speaker 7: undoctor like. That's not something the Doctor would do.
Speaker 8: In my opinion, it seems to me.
Speaker 5: It seems to me like this doctor is trying to
Speaker 5: find his bearings through this season, Like he's been through
Speaker 5: so much that he's almost like they're intentionally making him
Speaker 5: undoctor like as he tries to find out who he is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think this I'm not no spoilers here,
Speaker 6: but the series, the season finale answered some of those
Speaker 6: questions and we sort of got a resolution to that
Speaker 6: am I a good man?
Speaker 5: Question?
Speaker 6: He asks in the first episode. I think my favorite
Speaker 6: episode of the whole season was probably Listen. I thought
Speaker 6: that was very atmospheric and creepy and strange, and I
Speaker 6: I just loved the notion of and we saw some
Speaker 6: of this this season. What's the Doctor doing when he's alone?
Speaker 6: I mean, what's really going through this guy's head? And
Speaker 6: I think they went as far as they could with
Speaker 6: that without making the Doctor, you know, understandable, which which
Speaker 6: he really shouldn't be in some cases. Uh, he he
Speaker 6: is an alien. But I thought this season was good.
Speaker 6: But I also liked the the second half of the
Speaker 6: last season the Okay, I'll be honest, I liked that.
Speaker 6: Once Amy and Rory were going, I was just really
Speaker 6: tired of them. But the the the eleventh Doctor Clara
Speaker 6: half season was I loved the Ice Warriors episode in Cyberman.
Speaker 6: Episode was really good.
Speaker 8: It was fun.
Speaker 4: Well, let's hear one more. Well, let's hear one another
Speaker 4: song from your CD and will come back and conclude this.
Speaker 4: So what should we play next?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 8: I don't know what do you want?
Speaker 6: Paul?
Speaker 7: Won't you play the title track? We just finished talking
Speaker 7: about Matt Smith, So play, uh, play the I Am
Speaker 7: the Doctor title track?
Speaker 8: All right, So.
Speaker 5: Here's I Am the Doctor from Divo Spice.
Speaker 9: Hello, I'm the Doctor, just the Doctor, and this is
Speaker 9: my crew. How do you do? I'm just a mad
Speaker 9: men with the box, big new box, foxy and sexy.
Speaker 9: If you only knew. Yes, it's a big him on
Speaker 9: the EGS.
Speaker 6: Side, ask Kevin.
Speaker 9: Jacket's a great ride back.
Speaker 12: In his mind, I reside in the Todd's almost with
Speaker 12: a herd isn't likely to six and I.
Speaker 9: Can see you through time. I have been to the
Speaker 9: end of the universe and back again.
Speaker 12: There's reverse calls on you arrived back when we started
Speaker 12: in the todd it's just the people come look me.
Speaker 12: They'd like to try to bring him back alive. So
Speaker 12: if you want to come and get your things, let'
Speaker 12: think you this guy's things, tell your pump at your
Speaker 12: ringer on the set, a lot of the things that
Speaker 12: show you. As I get to know, you wouldn't wait
Speaker 12: for me, because that never runs. Well, I am the doctor.
Speaker 9: I am the doctor. Don't answer me. This are you
Speaker 9: and my mummy? No, of course you're not.
Speaker 12: But with a spot on your hands, I guess I
Speaker 12: always talk this fast all my child.
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter. I'm the only one who really understands.
Speaker 12: Because you have not a big head of very big
Speaker 12: head of very large head with a very big brain.
Speaker 12: And if you look deep into my eyes, the're very
Speaker 12: old guys. You might even see some little guys at
Speaker 12: the ring. That's what I do to survive on the
Speaker 12: day that I died, because it's what is inside the chase.
Speaker 12: I wonder if you missed it at one point, I
Speaker 12: know who existed and still make the wedding un announced.
Speaker 12: I've stopped ailing in and evens in the ends of everything,
Speaker 12: and I barely even should be up. So if you
Speaker 12: think it cross at me your loss, it will be
Speaker 12: I'm the doctor.
Speaker 6: Look me up.
Speaker 9: I am the doctor. I am the doctor. Are the
Speaker 9: things I've seen.
Speaker 4: Break?
Speaker 9: Your skin turned green like a silurian.
Speaker 10: I've seen angels move, and if you think you've seen one,
Speaker 10: don't look away or even blink.
Speaker 9: I've seen a dallek sun bathaast.
Speaker 12: I've seen a cracks every year and any plumber could produce.
Speaker 9: I've seen vampires that were actually scary. You know, they
Speaker 9: didn't sparkle like a dancing fairy.
Speaker 12: I've seen cat people in scentient trees, and I've seen
Speaker 12: the silence. But oh geez, I forget, But what are
Speaker 12: we talking about?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 7: Me?
Speaker 9: I want a boat tie?
Speaker 12: Now both ties are cool, but oh, by whatever happened
Speaker 12: to my fast? I know I tend to die run
Speaker 12: as out of the heart. But if you want to
Speaker 12: make it.
Speaker 9: Out alive, to know the what the doctor says? Why
Speaker 9: is everyone going on about my name?
Speaker 12: Relitially look concertained about the people made of plastic? Happened
Speaker 12: while I rose by any other name? It's still be
Speaker 12: the mad mom can still be fantastic.
Speaker 9: That's what my life is like. Beside a medislin Tarma's
Speaker 9: that you in the head of this month.
Speaker 12: Shure those dangerous strife, for there's a marm of this life,
Speaker 12: and you can mine a love beside me if you
Speaker 12: want to tell me?
Speaker 9: Now, where do you want to go from here? I'm
Speaker 9: about a level of the planet where we won't get injured.
Speaker 8: I I had a thought.
Speaker 9: I think they ought and let's do those mice play
Speaker 9: as a doctor.
Speaker 12: So I could be a ginger. I've always wanted to
Speaker 12: be a ginger. I am the doctor. I am the Doctor.
Speaker 12: I am the doctor.
Speaker 13: I am.
Speaker 4: And that was I Am the Doctor from Devo Spice
Speaker 4: off his latest CD, which is entitled I Believe I
Speaker 4: Am the Doctor.
Speaker 5: So Diva. Where can people get the CD? Ah?
Speaker 7: You can get it at my website, devospice dot com,
Speaker 7: or you can get it from band camp at divospice
Speaker 7: dot band camp dot com. It's also up on The
Speaker 7: Pump the Funny Music Project at t H G f
Speaker 7: U m P dot com, The Fump dot com. It's
Speaker 7: not hard to find. It's on iTunes, it's on Amazon,
Speaker 7: it's on I think it's on Spotify.
Speaker 8: It's everywhere.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, and Aaron where can people get your books?
Speaker 6: Easiest place where I have all sorts of links to
Speaker 6: everything is my website, aj Gullias. That's a j g
Speaker 6: u l y a s dot com. And if you
Speaker 6: you type Aaron Gulls into Amazon, all my uh all
Speaker 6: my stuff will come up there as well.
Speaker 4: Now do you think with this new series that they're
Speaker 4: they're kind of struggling to stay family oriented while appeasing
Speaker 4: an older audience as well.
Speaker 7: Hmm, it hadn't occurred to me, so I I don't
Speaker 7: I don't know. I haven't heard anything from behind the
Speaker 7: scenes that they're trying to uh you know, they're they're
Speaker 7: struggling with that. The the show always seemed to to,
Speaker 7: you know, be family approachable, if not always family friendly.
Speaker 7: I mean, my when the show came back, my my daughter,
Speaker 7: who was like two and a half at the time,
Speaker 7: walked into the room during the what was the name
Speaker 7: of that episode, the one with Giles from Buffy and
Speaker 7: the big bat.
Speaker 8: Creatures and the oh school reunion school reunion.
Speaker 7: So she, my two and a half year old daughter,
Speaker 7: walks into the room while the giant bats are running
Speaker 7: down the side of the walls and and she just
Speaker 7: kind of froze and freaked out. So you know, it's
Speaker 7: not always perfect for all ages, but it's my kids
Speaker 7: are watching it now and loving it. I mean, my
Speaker 7: youngest who is just just turned seven now, he was
Speaker 7: really scared of the silence every time they were on screen.
Speaker 7: He like turning his hit his eyes, which is understandable.
Speaker 7: Those things are kind of creepy.
Speaker 5: But I don't I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't know that they're having a problem with it.
Speaker 9: Have you heard it or have you heard something?
Speaker 5: Well, I've seen a few articles talking about how maybe
Speaker 5: Doctor Who Is getting too scary for younger viewers.
Speaker 6: Which I find interesting because if you if you read
Speaker 6: interviews with with people who've been involved in making it,
Speaker 6: even you know, back in the eighties, the thing everybody
Speaker 6: sort of remembers about Doctor Who Is is how awesome
Speaker 6: it was to be to be scared by it when
Speaker 6: they were kids. Yeah, it's always scared children. That that's
Speaker 6: sort of part of its thing. Russell T. Davies I
Speaker 6: read an interview with him once and he said that
Speaker 6: that one of the things that was missing from that
Speaker 6: first season when he brought back the Doctor was something
Speaker 6: scary until Steven Moffatt came in with the empty child
Speaker 6: with the little gas mask. Are you my mummy? Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 6: And then then he realized, oh my gosh, I can't
Speaker 6: believe I forgot how how good scary this could be
Speaker 6: for little kids. So I think it's I think if
Speaker 6: they come under criticism for it, falling back on the
Speaker 6: old this is what Doctor who has always done is good.
Speaker 6: I did read that they got some complaints and the
Speaker 6: BBC actually issued a statement about the first half of
Speaker 6: the season finale about the sort of what happens after
Speaker 6: you die and you still feel pain stuff. They they
Speaker 6: did get some complaints about that, but uh, the production
Speaker 6: office uh pointed out that that the Doctor clearly you know,
Speaker 6: denounced that as being you know, not real and not true.
Speaker 6: So I don't know. I I guess they sort of
Speaker 6: had to defend their their sort of existential presentation of
Speaker 6: the nature of death, which is.
Speaker 8: Just it's funny, where people will complain about, yeah.
Speaker 6: It's uh it is. But I think as long as
Speaker 6: it's aimed at a family audience, they're going to have
Speaker 6: to walk the line of being scary and suspenseful without
Speaker 6: being you know, sort of walking dead levels of of horror.
Speaker 7: And they can probably get away with that because I
Speaker 7: heard an interview with an author some time ago who
Speaker 7: writes horror stories aimed at children, and he does some
Speaker 7: really scary, horrific things with monsters and demons and stuff,
Speaker 7: and he says the lot he said, the line for
Speaker 7: him was if it can be real, he won't do it.
Speaker 7: So right, vampire, werewolves, demons, monsters, those are all fair game.
Speaker 7: Some kid shooting up a school is not something he
Speaker 7: will write about, even though that could be ten times scarier,
Speaker 7: he will not write that because it's it could really happen.
Speaker 7: So exactly if doctor who stays along those same lines,
Speaker 7: you know, a kid with a gas mask as part
Speaker 7: of his face is not it's scary, but it's not
Speaker 7: something that will ever really happen.
Speaker 6: That's exactly right. And in the seventies when the show
Speaker 6: got in trouble with the National Viewers and Listeners Association
Speaker 6: in Britain, what got the producer, Philip Pinchcliff in the
Speaker 6: most trouble out of anything was not you know, the
Speaker 6: Hideous Creatures and the Brain of Morbius or or anything
Speaker 6: like that. It was that scene in The Deadly Assassin,
Speaker 6: which we can't see now because they edited it after
Speaker 6: the first broadcast and that clip doesn't exist. The cliffhanger
Speaker 6: is the doctor being drowned. And that was that was
Speaker 6: too much because, like you said, that's real, that's you know,
Speaker 6: you're showing, you're showing. You're not hitting somebody with a
Speaker 6: laser or dropping a clearly styrofoam rock on their head.
Speaker 6: You know, it was Tom Baker underwater being held down.
Speaker 6: And that's that's too far. And I think that's that's
Speaker 6: that's a good a good line to draw.
Speaker 4: And we were talking earlier about him being like the
Speaker 4: Obi Wan type of character. But I also think there's
Speaker 4: a lot of trickster.
Speaker 5: Into the doctor. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I mean that
Speaker 5: that that seems to really be more he's more the
Speaker 5: trickster than the wise man at times.
Speaker 6: It depends, it depends on the incarnation. I I think.
Speaker 6: I think with your with your William Hartnell and your
Speaker 6: John Pertley clearly clearly a sort of wise man, with
Speaker 6: your Patrick Trouton, you're Tom Baker, they're Sylvester McCoy. Definitely
Speaker 6: a lot of a lot of sort of sort of
Speaker 6: mythic trickster.
Speaker 3: Stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, aspects, Yeah, and I think TenneT fell into that
Speaker 4: category nicely.
Speaker 8: Too, a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 7: That's one thing I always liked about Trouton's doctor was
Speaker 7: that he pretended he wasn't the smartest person in the room,
Speaker 7: and he would he would let the people he was
Speaker 7: up against kind of you know, make their mistakes, and
Speaker 7: he would you know, capitalize on that.
Speaker 8: It was great.
Speaker 4: And they all seem to do that to some degree.
Speaker 4: They all hold that that sort of thing going. I
Speaker 4: mean even even the latest doctor. Uh, you know, even
Speaker 4: though he's acting like he doesn't know what's going on,
Speaker 4: he clearly does to some degree.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, and and when that and that can go
Speaker 6: too far the other way too. I mean some of
Speaker 6: the Sylvester McCoy stories where it gets to the end
Speaker 6: and it turns out that the doctor has been manipulating
Speaker 6: everything all along, and ha ha ha. You know, it
Speaker 6: once is interesting, two or three times it gets annoying.
Speaker 6: When when it happens two or three times a season,
Speaker 6: then it's like, oh, wow, yes, it was a secret
Speaker 6: time lord weapon that you manipulated in your enemy into
Speaker 6: using on himself. Okay, we saw this two weeks ago,
Speaker 6: but uh but yeah, I mean it's it's very much
Speaker 6: that I don't gosh, I don't miss say Judo, but
Speaker 6: sort of redirecting the enemy's force in a way that uh,
Speaker 6: that that hurts the enemy. I think that's something the
Speaker 6: Doctor's character does very well.
Speaker 5: What do you think made this this reboot take off
Speaker 5: like it did.
Speaker 7: Oh, there was definitely pent up demand. You know, a
Speaker 7: lot of the old time Doctor Who fans were clamoring
Speaker 7: for it. That plus the fact that they did it right.
Speaker 7: You know, they didn't give us another you know Paul
Speaker 7: McGahn made for TV movie where that was kind of
Speaker 7: half asked. You know, they they went all out and
Speaker 7: they did it right, and they they put out a
Speaker 7: damn fine product.
Speaker 6: I think one of the aspects of making that damn
Speaker 6: fine product, and I think for me, the biggest difference
Speaker 6: from the Paul McGann movie is that you can sit
Speaker 6: down show somebody that episode Rose Who has never even
Speaker 6: heard of Doctor Who before, and it's a fun, compelling
Speaker 6: piece of television. Yeah, there's no reference to anything that
Speaker 6: had come before. You don't need to know anything about
Speaker 6: Doctor Who. And you're not going to make a successful
Speaker 6: show aiming it at the people who were fans of
Speaker 6: it when it was canceled in the case of the
Speaker 6: McGann movie seven years before, and that McGann movie had
Speaker 6: so many little little references to stuff that didn't even matter. Oh,
Speaker 6: here's a shot of Tom Baker's scarf, and we spend
Speaker 6: fifteen seconds looking at the scarf for no reason other
Speaker 6: than that it's Tom Baker's scarf. You know, Rose didn't
Speaker 6: do any thing like that. And that whole first season
Speaker 6: what you just learn little bits and pieces about the
Speaker 6: Doctor and the Doalecs, and you start off with one
Speaker 6: dollc and you're shown what it can do. So then
Speaker 6: in the finale, when you've got a thousand of them,
Speaker 6: you're really freaked out, even if you don't know anything
Speaker 6: about about the about the Daleks, I mean, longtime hardcore
Speaker 6: fans were, you know, sort of geeking out about the
Speaker 6: fact that the dalec saucers looked like just like the
Speaker 6: ones in the comic strip back in the sixties. Everybody
Speaker 6: else is just like, Wow, that thing that was really
Speaker 6: scary in Utah six weeks ago is now, you know,
Speaker 6: back and massive. I think they aimed it at a
Speaker 6: television audience. With the aim they created a good show
Speaker 6: that didn't require thirty years of fan lore to understand.
Speaker 8: Yeah, fair enough, fair enough, all right?
Speaker 5: What is like when you think Doctor Who? What comes
Speaker 5: to mind to you?
Speaker 8: My entire life?
Speaker 7: I mean, I've been watching the show for literally over
Speaker 7: thirty years now, and it's it's just it's been something
Speaker 7: that's been part of a big part of my life
Speaker 7: since I was ten years old, give or take.
Speaker 6: All, Right, Aaron, I share that. I share that sentiment.
Speaker 6: It's it's something I mean, I can I can go
Speaker 6: you know, six months without watching any Doctor Who, but
Speaker 6: then sometimes the urgial hit and I will just bring
Speaker 6: down my my my stack of DVDs from the room
Speaker 6: where I keep my DVDs and just sort of stack
Speaker 6: them up and say to the family, I'm watching Doctor
Speaker 6: Who today, and it's just like I'm watching all of
Speaker 6: Heartnell's second season, so get out if you don't want
Speaker 6: to see it. I'm watching The Romans now, and you know.
Speaker 6: So it's just it's just something that's always there, and
Speaker 6: it's something that's that's very very nostalgic for me. I mean,
Speaker 6: I can, you know, remember talking about these stories with
Speaker 6: with you know, friends and everything, and and you know,
Speaker 6: it's it's been. It's been part of my life and
Speaker 6: maybe an unhealthily large part of my life sometimes, but
Speaker 6: but it's always been there. And now I'm you know,
Speaker 6: I wrote chapters and scholarly books with people who study
Speaker 6: these things for a living, and what am I doing.
Speaker 6: I'm writing about Doctor Who, just like I always wanted
Speaker 6: to do when I was in high school and college
Speaker 6: and and now I've been able to so you know,
Speaker 6: it's it's it's great. And I'm sure I'm sure you
Speaker 6: you you know, you feel the same way. You're able
Speaker 6: to to use your creative, you know, talents in a
Speaker 6: way that that feeds on this show that you've loved
Speaker 6: for so long, and it's a it's an amazing thing
Speaker 6: to be able to do.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that the concept album was really a labor of love,
Speaker 7: and it was something that I needed to do, whether
Speaker 7: or not any of my fans wanted to buy it.
Speaker 4: And the thing about Doctor Who, too, is it stands
Speaker 4: out from everything else on television. It's not like other
Speaker 4: sci fi, it's not like anything else that's ever been
Speaker 4: done in the entire time time that it's run right,
Speaker 4: and that that's one hell of an accomplishment.
Speaker 6: It is when I think of Doctor Who. It's it's
Speaker 6: endless variety. It's not a ship show. It's not just
Speaker 6: an alien invasion show. It's not just science fiction. It's
Speaker 6: it's anything it wants to be. And I hope that
Speaker 6: the production team remembers that that they don't need to
Speaker 6: pigeonhole the series into one particular thing. It can do
Speaker 6: anything in the universe.
Speaker 5: Fair enough, all right, one more time? Where can people
Speaker 5: find your stuff?
Speaker 6: Let's start with Aaron Ajgullies dot com. That's a J
Speaker 6: g U l y a s dot com.
Speaker 5: And you you have a you have one book out,
Speaker 5: you've published a Doctor Who.
Speaker 6: Yes, and some chapters coming up in well, one chapter
Speaker 6: that's out and another one that, depending on the vagaries
Speaker 6: of publishing and the editors, will be out sometime between
Speaker 6: now and the end of time.
Speaker 4: And you also have a couple other books that we've
Speaker 4: had you on Where did the Road Go before? Yeah,
Speaker 4: talk about your latest book, The Chaos Conundrum, And you
Speaker 4: have another one before that on the contact team.
Speaker 6: On the contact Ease. And I am just now putting
Speaker 6: the finishing touches. Maybe maybe tonight if I gain ambitious
Speaker 6: on a new book. I'm sending off to my editor
Speaker 6: at Roman and Littlefield on conspiracy and paranormal themed television
Speaker 6: science fiction in the nineties and its relation to the
Speaker 6: wider paranormal conspiracy theory culture at the time. So, man,
Speaker 6: I've been watching a lot of terrible TV the last year,
Speaker 6: terrible stuff like and go on Dark Skies. I had
Speaker 6: to sit down and watch Dark Skies again. And that
Speaker 6: was that about killing.
Speaker 5: Devo.
Speaker 7: Your stuff is available where I am at devospice dot com.
Speaker 7: I'm on the fump at the fump dot com. All
Speaker 7: my stuff is on band camp at devospice dot bandcamp
Speaker 7: dot com. I do want to mention I have a
Speaker 7: new album coming out on December second called Herp Dirp
Speaker 7: You Don't Stirp. There won't be any Doctor Who material
Speaker 7: on it, but it will be a full album of
Speaker 7: comedy rap. And I'm doing a band camp rush on
Speaker 7: December second. So if you if you buy the album
Speaker 7: on band camp on December second, twenty fourteen, in case
Speaker 7: anyone's listening in the far future, then I'll give you
Speaker 7: a bonus album, another complete album, absolutely free called Irme
Speaker 7: gird Burners Tricks.
Speaker 6: So that's a great annunciation on that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's how it's spelled, you know, yes, and
Speaker 7: that's d E v O s p I C E
Speaker 7: correct spice.
Speaker 5: All right, well, I thank both of you. This has
Speaker 5: been fascinating. And uh, what should we end with off
Speaker 5: your CD?
Speaker 9: Let's see we already played the do a Fandom Paradise
Speaker 9: my Tom Baker song.
Speaker 5: Okay, and uh, I guess that's it.
Speaker 8: Thank you both, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 10: I've been watching the show since before I could talk,
Speaker 10: and the more I've been watched, the more the doctor
Speaker 10: would rock.
Speaker 5: I even heard. My first word was.
Speaker 10: Extirnment nate, and I had a British accent until I
Speaker 10: was eight. Now I'm all grown and I'm out on
Speaker 10: my own, and I got a car Loan, So about it.
Speaker 10: I'm owned, but I've got my own home. Man, I've
Speaker 10: checked it out right like a time lord. Aboard my
Speaker 10: own Tartis and flight. I'll start my tad in a
Speaker 10: way that nothing can go wrong. Alarm Clock's rocking out
Speaker 10: my own theme song. I watched my body and hair,
Speaker 10: then I put it on a pair, put my tailor
Speaker 10: made swing Gallifreyan underwear.
Speaker 9: People come to visit and ask is it Halloween or
Speaker 9: a dream? And I'm always like what you mean.
Speaker 10: I'm creating a scene with the doctor and Sarah squaring
Speaker 10: off against me androids of terra Verry dies.
Speaker 6: This is factor.
Speaker 9: I'm Terry Dies.
Speaker 13: I look around the same it's the first of adviser
Speaker 13: is Terry Down, Fairy down.
Speaker 6: This is fact.
Speaker 9: I'm Terry Dies. It's right, no expensive and the craft
Speaker 9: for my ear this is Paris.
Speaker 10: I've painted the door of my bathroom bright blue while
Speaker 10: invite you with youre a fan, to walk right through.
Speaker 9: It looks like the targets.
Speaker 10: And I don't mean to boast, but my toilet is
Speaker 10: being around the inside than most.
Speaker 9: I travel around town a pretty girl by my side.
Speaker 10: She's my very young companion along for the ride through
Speaker 10: very scary scenarios. She's lucky she survives as we car
Speaker 10: a pull to work. Sometimes she even drives. The morning
Speaker 10: isn't bad. The rushower is the hardest, my hardest said,
Speaker 10: I've won. Take computing in the tartest. I could totally
Speaker 10: fly in. I'm sure the console isn't any more complex.
Speaker 10: In my remote control. When I get to work, I'm
Speaker 10: in my own little world. My cubicola is decoration with
Speaker 10: the time total swirls. But I'm suspicious of my boss
Speaker 10: because he's foreign, short stocking and balls.
Speaker 8: I think he might be some tar.
Speaker 13: Hairry dnes this is fat and I'm Terry d I
Speaker 13: look around the same.
Speaker 9: It's the first of her eyes.
Speaker 6: That is very.
Speaker 5: Fairy.
Speaker 9: This is fact, Terry dies. It's right now expensive, no
Speaker 9: crap from my keea.
Speaker 5: This is fair.
Speaker 9: My girlfriend says it stinks and she thinks it's a disaster.
Speaker 10: She bopped the tar to toilet, and she balked when
Speaker 10: I asked her to knit me a really long scarf.
Speaker 9: It was no use, but you know what she said.
Speaker 10: She wouldn't it me a long news. She won't watch
Speaker 10: without a bunch of tequila, and she flat out and
Speaker 10: refused to dress up like Lela, singing she wants no
Speaker 10: part of my nerdy perversion. I can't wait till she
Speaker 10: regenerates him to a new aversion. My kitchen looks like
Speaker 10: the creature from the pit escaped. I saw when pepper
Speaker 10: shakers are dil like shape, and you skillfully exterminate the
Speaker 10: planets from my food. But my coffee making robot has
Speaker 10: a bad attitude. I bring in lots of fan fiction.
Speaker 10: Featured ring me along with every I'm paying you in
Speaker 10: a creature work three. I assume I hope the film
Speaker 10: one of the scripts I paided with Mary Tam, who
Speaker 10: is a very close personal friend. She just doesn't know
Speaker 10: it yet. I got that as my dad attacks when
Speaker 10: I run, so I like to make my lungs go.
Speaker 10: I named my dog cane Ie, and he could run
Speaker 10: a lot faster. I just can't get him to talk
Speaker 10: or call me master. I perform Richie will to try
Speaker 10: to raise crawl. I figure, go bigger, don't do it
Speaker 10: at all, because if you're gonna be nerd, he might
Speaker 10: as well do it right now.
Speaker 9: Everybody went chiang tonight. Very dies.
Speaker 13: This is fandom. Terry dies. I look around and say, nice,
Speaker 13: it's the first of her eyes. That is Perry dies, Parodi.
Speaker 13: This is factum Terry dies. It's right now, expensive pay.
Speaker 9: He ain't no craft for my kear.
Speaker 13: This is Paradi. Very dies.
Speaker 5: This is fandom.
Speaker 9: Terry dies. I'm dealt with giant grass once or twice,
Speaker 9: but they won't bother me.
Speaker 13: This is Parry dies.
Speaker 9: Parry dies.
Speaker 6: This is fato.
Speaker 9: Piry dies. And that made give you some good advice,
Speaker 9: killed you up a little corner of.
Speaker 10: Okay, So I was thinking maybe we could redecorate the
Speaker 10: dining room so the table looks like the tartest console,
Speaker 10: and we can make a chandelier that looks like the
Speaker 10: center of the console and make it go up and
Speaker 10: down when you're in the lights with John, What do
Speaker 10: you think?
Speaker 6: I think I just came up with a new place
Speaker 6: I can shove your sonic screwdriver get over.
Speaker 9: No wait, no, no wait wait