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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome Darren Hella Sario.
He is the CEO of Good Owners and Dog GPT.
Welcome Darren.
Speaker 5: Hi, Michelle, so lovely to be here.
Speaker 2: Nice to have you on the show. It was wonderful
meeting at Global and I'm very excited to have you here.
So what exactly is Good Owners?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're an owner education organization. You know, we
were founded back in twenty twenty one by a great
group of trainers and dog professionals around the country. You know,
folks coming from the pet dog training space, dog sports
like c agility and obedience, the show space, confirmation, breeding, rescues, education,
and all sorts of folks you know, over two hundred
years of experience across and really came together to create
Good Owners with the idea of, you know, how can
we improve owner access to kind of reliable knowledge and
information and guidance.
Speaker 2: So thanks for sharing that. Where would people access good Owners.
Speaker 5: Good Owners dot dog easy to get there, easy to remember,
good Owners dot dog or good Owners dot guide either one.
Speaker 2: What are some of the things that you could find
in there? Like usual, so we know, probably basic, you know,
how do I teach my dog to sit and heal?
Probably all the basic stuff. But what are some things
that are unusual that people would say, Wow, I never
thought I would look there for this kind of info.
Speaker 5: Oh, such a good question. So, I mean, we really
wanted to cover everything that you know, you or I
as a dog owner mine encounter over the course of
your life with your dog within reason, right, And it's
now the largest most comprehensive resource for owners ever created.
So we're really proud of kind of it's coverage, and
we're constantly updating it and so it can be you know,
some of the basic stuff, like you know, some of
the potty training stuff, which you know, we say it's basic,
but most of us, myself included, when we get our
first puppy and even later puppies, there's a lot of
different approaches to potty training, so you know, trying to
understand how to approach that and what are some of
the different things to think about, but to also things
like socialization and great training, physical activity stuff. Grooming, Right,
that's a big area that a lot of owners that
we work with are really curious about, right, Like what
types of coats do I need to groom and how
do I groom them?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: If I you know, doodles are very popular these days, right,
So if my dog is a hair dog, is a dooodle,
is a poodle, you know, how does that affect grooming,
nail trimming, that sort.
Speaker 2: Of thing, okay, And what about medical questions, which you
should always go to your vet, of course, but what
if people right then and there they don't have access
to their vet.
Speaker 5: Yes, such a good question.
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example, and this has actually happened
to me, and it was freaky. I came home one
night and mister Zeus, who's now in Doggy Heaven, was
in my office and he was on the floor. His
eyes were like rolling in his head, he was shaking,
and he had gotten sick someplace else in the house.
And I didn't know what the heck was going on.
I was freaking out. And I live in a metropolitan,
a city, so big area, so I had access to
an animal hospital. Not everybody lives in areas where they
do have access, where they could just drive to a
twenty four hour animal hospital. He had a similar old
dog disease, which is unusual, rare, and generally I found
out generally happened like late at night. This was like
not like eleven o'clock at night. So what if somebody
had something like that, happened something strange, would they be
able to find the information in good owners?
Speaker 5: Such a good question, right, because health is a big
big thing. I would say a couple of things. First,
exactly as you said, right, in an emergency situation, you've
got a call of that, you've got to call it
at hospital, because there's so many things that could be
going on with a given set of symptoms, right, whether
it's seizures or foaming, right, it could be poison, it
could be a neurological disease, it could be a whole
lot of things. So I would never recommend that somebody
trying to read through anything in an emergency decision, of course.
And I should say also that there's so many great
that hospitals, not just locally, but also like phone lines
that you can call and things like that I'm around
the country, some of which I link to at the
Good Owner's Guide at Good Owners Dog. So i'd say
in EMERGENC situations, of course, you know, look out there
to try and understand things. We also, I would say,
in situations like that, in addition to the information that
we contain, we really try to connect owners with an
ecosystem of reliable resources. So, for example, like the Pep
Boys and hotline, we have an app in the guide
that you know lets you directs you to the pep
Boys and hotline for example. So if you're worried about
toxicity or something, your pet maybet or something like that.
But so anyways, so i'd say, like you know, in
the cute cases like that situation where you you're really
worried about, as you should be, kind of real harm
coming to your loved one in the short period of time,
you know, get on the phone call that's call hospitals.
That's the way to go for more janet or kind
of systematic things like a lot of folks struggle with
joint issues with their dogs, especially as they they get older, right,
they might be creaky or might be moving, funnier things
like that. That's a space where you can start to
look to resources like ours for a better understanding of
what your dog may be going through. If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it could be something so maybe something like, Okay,
my dog is eating grass and just puked. Why and
that happens exactly time, and maybe someone is concerned because
their dog did that, you know twice within twice in
the day. So that's not super serious, but it's something
of concern, of.
Speaker 5: Course, exactly exactly. And you know, I should say also,
you know, We focus a lot of our content on
the behavioral side because there's a lot of behavioral explanations
for things like, for example, even eating grass, where of
course there's health explanations, but also but we also try
to link to and share connections to good health resources
out there. So for example, like fear Free as an organization,
I'm sure the listeners are aware of Yeah, they have
good vet mary resources. But I'd also say, you know,
the vast majority of you know that's and vetex out there,
folks working in the animal medical community really want to help.
They really want to help pets still, like never has
ait to call. People will always everyone from the front
desk to the back office at any event or the
animal health facility is going to really do their best
to help you.
Speaker 2: Yes, all of the good ones will do that. Yes,
of course what prompted you to start Good Owners.
Speaker 5: So I mean it was really us going through this experience,
you know, you know, many years ago now of you know,
becoming dog owners. When we became Doggish for the first time,
I think we, like a lot of folks, my wife
and I, like a lot of folks, were lost, right,
There were just so many questions we had that we
didn't realize we would have, right, like a good example
of socialization. We again I mentioned for you, we knew
that we needed to socialize, you know, our puppy, but
we didn't really know what that meant. We didn't understand,
you know, how to go about that.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: We were like, Okay, well we need to take our
puppy to meet a lot of people and take them
to lots of places. And that's true, and it's great.
But what we later discovered was, you know, how you
socialize your puppy and what you socialize them too, can
really affect the rest of their life, right how confident
they are are, and how comfortable they are with different
experiences and new experiences. And that was stuff that we
learned later. And so I think that's just one example.
But I think for us, as we kind of grew
in our lives with our dogs, we realized how much
work it took and how hard it was to find
good information that we could really work with and easily
digest and like actually take into our lives pretty quickly
with our puppy and our adult dog, you know. And
so that's really what inspired us to start pursuing this
work really is, you know, how can we make it
easier for our owners to find their way to good information?
You know, because I would say, you know, and feel
free to let me know if I'm going off on
too much of a tangent here, but you know, I
would say that, you know, today, if you go to
like Google or Facebook, that's the first place we all turn.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: You go to Google or Facebook, and it's really difficult
to navigate because you get, you know, dozens of kind
of SEO optimized bog posts or articles or videos, some
of which may be good, but often they'll contradict one another,
or they'll only deal with a particular situation or won't
give you kind of broader contexts, and so you know,
you end up spending you know, many many many hours
going through all sorts of different resources and never really
feeling confident or really feeling uncomfortable. Right, And so that
was anyway, that was the inspiration for our work.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, You're right, there's almost information overkill out there
because you go down the rabbit hole, you start looking
for something, and then there could be sponsored ads that
pop up depending on the browser you look at or
use rather and there's just there's so much information. And
speaking of all of AI and all of that, you
also created something called dog GPT. That's right, what is that?
Because I know a lot of people out there are
probably familiar with chat GPT, which is you know AI
and what is dog gpt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So if you go back to twenty twenty three
when all of these GPT things were kind of coming
on the scene, you know, with chat GPT, and now
you know Google has their Gemini at their bard and
all these other you know programs out there, we found
ourselves in kind of a special situation because we had,
as I mentioned, you know, the largest knowledge base in
the world on dog handling and dog ownership that we
created over several years with the work of a lot
of hard work of a lot of dedicated, experience knowledgeable folks. Right,
we had this amazing kind of data set, so to speak,
as well as some great you know MIT machine lending
engineers on our team, this wonderful expert cohort, and so
we had all of these sort of resources, and we
said to ourselves, you know, can we try to build
a you know, Q and a app you know using
these GBT technologies, will what are called large language model
technologies and drawing from our massive data set to provide
owners with even easier, more immediate access to information. So
that was really kind of the inspiration, and so it
took us a couple of years of intense development, but
eventually we succeeded. Right where now we have, as you mentioned, WGBT,
which does exactly that. Right, you can ask a question.
It draws from the resources we have in the Good
Owner's Guide to Dogs and others, and it gives you
kind of, you know, consistent, reliable, comprehensive information to help
you understand the situation you might be in.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. We're talking to Darren Bellisario. He is
the CEO of Good Owners and dog GPT. So we
talked a little about dog gp why it was created,
what it is, how does it.
Speaker 5: Work, so from the perspective of a dog owner or
like under the hood.
Speaker 2: Very basically so like where do I find dog GPT?
And very basic because we have all types of listeners.
Some listeners are very tech savvy. Summer. You know, I
have a smartphone and I call on it, maybe text
and that's it. So there's a lot of different levels
of experience with technology that listen to Best Bets for Pets.
So where do I find it and how does it work?
What do I do? Did I just type in a
question or talk and say a question? Is it kind
of like chet gpt and it's an app? Correct?
Speaker 5: Yes? So you can find it at doggpt dot com
really easy, or you can go to good Owners dot
dog and find it there as well, and you can
use it either on its own a doggbt dot com
or if you go to the Good Owner's Guide, we
have it integrated there and the way it works is
super simple. Exactly what you said, right, You asked a question,
you know, I give it example, right, like why you know,
why is my dog bouncing off the walls?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: A lot of us face the situation, you know, no
matter how much I take my dog for walks or
take them to the park, like they always seem to
be bouncing off. What's going on? You just ask your
question and what it's gonna spit out is, you know,
after thinking for a second, it's kind of say, okay,
well here's the three, four, five, ten different things that
might be going on. And so you should pretty instantly
have a good sense for you know, what might be
going on in your in your dog's in your dog's mind,
in your dog's life.
Speaker 2: Okay, And there's a lot of AI out there right
now that you have. Like you said, there's different ones, Gemini, Copilot,
there's all kinds of names. There's a lot of them.
Why makes dog GPT different? Again, chat GBT is out there,
But so if I ask chat GPT, why is my
dog going off the wall? And dog GBT, why is
my dog going, you know, off the wall? And actually
I've experienced this my oh when they're little. I used
to have to go the dog park every single time
day with my dog because otherwise I was in for crazies.
But I get that. So if I ask, you know,
dog GBT and chat GPT, it's the same question. What
makes it dog GPT different?
Speaker 5: I love that question. I'm so glad you asked that, Michelle,
because it's so so important. I think that in these
early days of AI coming out there under the scene,
many of us as users have difficulty understanding kind of
the differences and all that. So one of the challenges
was what we call general large language models or kind
of general chat AI apps like chat GBT or Gemini
or co pilot, Right, is that they can't distinguish good
information from bad information, So they're pulling from the entire internet, right,
And that's that's fine, right, that's what they know how
to do, and that's really powerful in a lot of circumstances.
But the consequence of that is that, you know, if
you take an area like dogs, as you know, there
is so much bad information out there, I mean just
so so much kind of erroneous information. And that's part
of what's so confusing for dog owners, right, is that
when you look for insight, you get fifteen different answers
from fifteen different places, and they all contradict one another.
So what chatj BT is not going to be able
to help you with it is giving you a picture
that you know you can rely on. For example, just
a couple months ago, there was a really interesting piece
of work that was done by the Columbia School of Journalism.
They looked at eight different common models out there, right,
CHATCHBT and Rock and Gemini and a few others, and
they found that sixty percent of responses in their use
case war incorrect were factually wrong, and forty two percent
of responses were confidently wrong, meaning the AI was telling
the user this is definitely the answer, and it was
it was incorrect, right. And So I think with general
chat applications like chatjibt in Geena, you just have to
be really, really careful. So when you're looking for specific
information is based like for example, right, what dog GBT
gives you is do you know where it's getting its insights?
It's pulling all its information from the Good Owner's Guide
to Dogs. You know that it's reliable. You can also
follow up, so you know, let's say you ask a
question from dog GPT, you know on activity, and it
gives you some information, well, if you're accessing it through
the Good Owner's Guide to Dogs, right, you can also
then just go to the relevant chapters and learn more,
so you can dig deeper on your own. So it
gives you that dynamic experience as well. So I would
say that's the real key here.
Speaker 2: You know, as you were describing it, and this is
coming out a left field, my listeners know that I
sometimes do this and made me think of the Wizard
of Oz, Like you're asking the question to the Great Oz, Right,
the Great AI service that you're using, and yeah, there
might be just peculiarities that aren't inconsistent or not exactly
what you need. So here's the tough one. How do
people know that dog GPT is going to give them
the right answer?
Speaker 5: I love that question. It's all about transparency. Everything we
have is pulling from the Governer's Guide to Dog, So
you can go there yourself and you can see all
the information that we're pulling from and who's created and
all of that, so it's not a black box. And
the way to say, say chatchbyts okay.
Speaker 2: And then just to refresh people's memory from the first
session that we had good Owner's Guide who compiled all
Where was all that information compiled from?
Speaker 5: Yes, So that took us several years to develop an
incredible team of trainers and dog professionals around the country. Right,
folks coming from you know pet dog training, sports, dog sports. Right,
if folks are familiar that, you know agility and obedience, confirmation,
a show, you know dog show stuff, breeding, rescues, you
know education. So just a lot of really incredible folks
over two hundred years of professional training experience on the team.
We're very, very proud of of what we've created, and
we're constantly updating it. It's a living document, like we're
revising it every single week, every single month. And I
should say just none of it would live I possible
without the really, really hard work of everyone who's contributed.
You can check that out as well at good Owners
dot Dog. You know, nobody ever looks at acknowledgments, I know,
but it's good to take a look and see all
the folks who have really made impossible exactly.
Speaker 2: So, could there ever be a question that dog GPT
does not know the answer to?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, happens all the time, and it'll say, it'll
tell you. And although it's funny because you know, when
we got out there and we started running dog, you
doth folks, it was really funny. Where you tend to
get a mixture of two types of questions. The first
type is a handful of questions that just everybody encounters right,
like why is my dog bouncing off the walls? Or
you know, my dog barks all day when I know
work right? Or leash pulling that's a really big one
that a lot of us struggle with. It is like
my dog's pulling on a leash but I do. So
there's like a handful of questions I would say, like
ten to twenty questions that is about like seventy eighty
percent of what folks are struggling with. And then there's
another like ten to twenty percent of questions which are
really peculiar, interesting, obscure, weird situation.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, Yeah, yeah, so really strange ones like
something I'm I probably ask a strange one like like
that versibular old dog, well that you'd run to the
doctor for. But so what happens with those weird questions?
Like what about does somebody ever ask something like can
I paint my dog's nails? Well, people like room their
dogs know that, But maybe that's not a good question.
What's an obscure question that comes up? I can't even
think of one because.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'll tell you my favorite, the weirdest one.
Speaker 2: I think it's the weirdest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's the one, the weirdest, the weirdest question that
I've seen? At least the doctor he could ask, is
someone had a dog that was really going bokers and
just losing their mind and stressed out and bouncing off
the walls, but only when the air conditioning turned on
and only in a certain room, right, and so you know,
and it had nothing to do with temperature and all
this other stuff. It was a really weird situation. And
you know, that's a specific case where look, when you're
dealing with something like that, you've got to work with
a trainer. And I think one thing I should say,
which I should have highlighted earlier. No matter what situation
you're facing, we really encourage everybody to go and talk
to a professional dog trainer or other kind of relevant
dog professional, right, And we always say that at the
end of dog GBT, right, because it's there to kind
of give you some insight and help you understand a
little bit better the situation you're in. But actually working
with your dog or helping your dog in a particular
situation like that, takes a lot of skill, It takes
a lot of nuance. And the easiest, fastest way to
help your dog in those types of cases is, you know,
talk to a professional. They're going to help you, they're
going to teach you, they're going to give you the
tools you need to really be successful. So I should
have said that earlier, But that's really really important.
Speaker 2: Okay, And see I would have just thought maybe the
room is haunted or something. I mean, there's always that
percentage of unknown in just about everything, right, there's always
whether it's a minute or a little bit larger, there's
always some unknown. But that is odd one particular.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was That was a weird one, for sure.
Speaker 2: It's weird. Yeah, something I would probably have to deal
with them with my crew here. But my crews all
cat for dog GPT. So you can download it at
dog GPT or at good Owners dot Dog. Is it
a something you can just download? Is it something that
has a subscription? How does it work?
Speaker 5: Good question? So dodgpt dot com. You can sign up
to join right now. It's in beta access only. We're
limiting kind of who has access to it, just to
kind of control that a little bit. So you can
sign up there. You can put in your email and
then we'll notify you if we're going to connect you.
It's totally free. If you go to the Good Owner's Guide,
Good Owners dot Dog or good Owners dot Guide and
sign up for our general guide, that will get access
to DODGEBT directly. So when you search the guide, it
will tell you what chapters to look for, and it
will also give you kind of the dog GBT kind
of insight and answer there so you can check it
out there more quickly if you'd like.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks for that. Where do you see dog GPT
in say, five years?
Speaker 5: It's hard, man, the way things goes fastest. That's a
tough one. Yeah, I would say a. You know, our
overall mission with dog GPT and with the Guide to
Dogs is really transforming owner access to information. Right We're
tired of sixty million, seventy million, eighty million dog owners
really lost in the chaos of information out there, and
so we want to really get this out there to
as many folks as we can so they have a
single place to go to start to get started on
their learning journey.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would love that too. And I think the
more that people know, as you know, owners or pet parents,
the more they know, the more they're informed, the more
dogs that are rescued, and you know, the better off
we all are, right, I mean, that's the ultimate less
dogs that are in shelter, well, less dogs that remain
in shelters and worse, because that's exactly a lot of
it has to do with being informed. We saw a
lot of that unfortunately right after the pandemic with you know,
people just returning their dogs, which you know, if they
had more access to better information, maybe they wouldn't have
done that.
Speaker 5: That's exactly it. And you know, I'd say a couple
of things there. One is you hit the nail on
the head, Michelle. You know, we think a significant percentage
of free homes returns to rescues are when you talk
to those folks and we've interviewed several hundred dog owners
in the last few years. I mean, you talk to
those folks often they they they could have potentially been successful,
but their expectations weren't always you know, they didn't have
that toolkit on day one to really kind of be
a little prepared and kind of hit the ground. Rings
your spot on there. The other thing I would say
is the more that you know, the easier your life
is with your dog.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: I mean, so much of our lives with the dogs
are spent kind of wondering and not sure and you know,
struggling a little bit at times because we care so
much about them and we want them to be happy
and successful and healthy. And so I think you're absolutely right, Like,
the more you know, the easier life is with your companion, right.
Speaker 2: And people definitely need to be more educated. Mister Zeus
came to me. I found him because he was returned
to a shelter, so it was lucky for me, and
it was for a ridiculous reason. But do you want
to hear?
Speaker 5: Yes, I do now I'm curious. I didn't, yeah, you know,
but I mean. And Zeus is a great name.
Speaker 2: By the way, he's in doggie Heaven now, but he was.
I called him my angel boy because he was such
a sweet, sweet, little timid dog. He's forty pound flat
hair retriever mix, and so I went. When I went
to the shelter, it was right after my other one passed.
I was lonely, so I find I wanted a border
Callie mix. So he's flat hair retriever border Collie and
maybe some other stuff. And it was a hurricane was
coming up, so I was just looking, look and looking.
So when I found him, he's this little fifteen pound fluffball,
and you know, not fluffy like a little dog fluffy,
but you know, he's all fluffy, still puppy for and
he was named first of all, his name was Binkie.
So why Binky, that was what they named him.
Speaker 5: But he was.
Speaker 2: Returned because he was growling at the sun when the
sun was pulling the dog toy. And I thought, that
is ridiculous. All dogs growl if your kid's gonna or
adult is going to play with their toy, that's how
they play. They go, whoah, you know, I'm not doing
a good dog growl, but you know, like oh, and
they're right, and they have it in their teeth and
that's how they play.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was someone just not aware maybe thought and
I get that, you know, maybe they thought their child
was endangered, but that's how dogs play, and a child
should not be pulling something out of a dog's mouth
anyways at all. Ever, So I was glad they didn't
have dog gpt then because I wouldn't have had mister
Zeus back in mine. But that's one of the things
that I think could be avoided people. You know, if
you adopt from a shelter, and I think the dog
was initially dropped from the same shelter it was returned to.
Should you know, if they were educated, this dog wouldn't
have been taken, you know, brought to a home and
then brought back, and then I get that things things
sometimes happen even if you are educated. But this could
have been avoided better for me, but could have been
avoided easily. It's this is basic behavior for a dog,
for a puppy.
Speaker 5: What a fantastic story. I mean, that is such a
good That's exactly it, Michelling, you hit, that is exactly
the situation that we're talking about here is you know,
and I really put the onus on us as a
professional community, right, how do we make it easier and
give those owners at ass to easier access to information? Right?
Because look, I can't say enough that everyone, every dog
parent out there should absolutely try to please go find
a good professional dog trainer to work with a little bit, right,
take some classes, go work with them, many of them.
If you don't live near a good one, then you know,
you can go online to any of them, do virtual.
But I know that that's a big lift and a
big step for a lot of folks. And so I think,
you know, how do we create easier access to helping
people get some good information and start their learning journey
and satisfy their curiosity and be better set up for
success with their puppies in exactly the type of situations
you described, right, Because right now we're giving folks puppies
and dogs and saying kind of, you know, good luck,
right there you go.
Speaker 2: I mean, the soldiers do a pretty good job of
betting and asking the right questions and all of that.
So that's better. But pet parents and potential pet parents
should do a little research as well, and you know,
pre presearch, pre research before they even adopt, and then
research when they have issues.
Speaker 5: Yes, And how do we as a community make it
easier for them to do that research? Because I understand right,
I mean, lives are busy and stressful, and people don't
know what they don't know, right, And so how do
we as a community make that, you know, as easier
for folks to because you know, one thing I should say,
you know, with the Guide to Dogs, when we show
that and test that with you know, pet owners, some
of the most incredible responses are always you know, just
oh my gosh, this is amazing, Like this is eye opening.
I'm so glad to have it. Like so much. We're
i mean people, dog owners. We want to learn, right,
we care so much about our dogs. We want information.
We're curious about our dogs, right, and so it's a
shame that you know that it can be so difficult
to to to find that knowledge and information and guidance.
Speaker 2: Sometimes exactly now before we close out our show, where
can people find all of this great information?
Speaker 5: Good owners dot dog or doggpt dot com.
Speaker 2: Easypasy all right, Thank you so much Darren for coming
on Best Bets for Pets.
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me, Michelle, this was wonderful.
Speaker 2: One more quick question, what about cat GPT? Is that
coming soon?
Speaker 5: Oh? That is the number one thing we get requested.
That is definitely in the pipeline.
Speaker 2: For sure, because you know cats, you think dogs. There's
a lot of questions for dogs, even more for cats.
Cats are yes, definitely interesting because I have a cat
for now and dog so yes, and a lot of
people have dogs and.
Speaker 5: Cats absolutely, And i'd say, you know, it took us
three three plus years to kind of build the knowledge
set for the Guide to Dogs. Kafie will be able
to do the cat piece quicker with everything we've learned
and how far we've come.
Speaker 2: Okay, wonderful. Well, thank you again for coming on Best
Bets for Pets.
Speaker 5: Thanks so much for having the show.
Speaker 2: I hope you all enjoyed the show. What great information.
So wonderful to have Darren on the show. Please make
sure you check out Goodowners dot Dog or Good Owner's
Guide and you can also find dog GPT on that
site and you'll have plenty of info. I am looking
forward to catch GPT. Thanks to my guest Darren Belisario
for coming on Best Bets for Pets. Thanks to everyone
that listens to Best Bets for Pets. I appreciate your
listenership so much. Thanks to my cat crew Dennis, Charlotte
and Mollie for constantly keeping me on my toes and
of course Huge Jue. Thank you to my amazing producer,
Mark Winter for working his magic and making this show
sound amazing. And remember you'll never know what we'll have
next on Best Bets for Pets.
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