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Speaker 1: This is Pet Life Radio. Let's Talk Pets.

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Speaker 2: Hello, pet lovers, Welcome to best Let's for pet I'm

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your show host Michelle Burns. So you know, I know

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a lot of you have dogs out there, and there's

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always questions that come up that, you know, how do

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I do this for my dog? That's for my dog.

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So I have a wonderful solution for you. Stay tuned.

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I can't wait for you to hear my next guest.

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Speaker 4: Let's Talk Pets on Petlife Radio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome Darren Hella Sario.

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He is the CEO of Good Owners and Dog GPT.

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Welcome Darren.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Michelle, so lovely to be here.

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Speaker 2: Nice to have you on the show. It was wonderful

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meeting at Global and I'm very excited to have you here.

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So what exactly is Good Owners?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're an owner education organization. You know, we

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were founded back in twenty twenty one by a great

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group of trainers and dog professionals around the country. You know,

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folks coming from the pet dog training space, dog sports

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like c agility and obedience, the show space, confirmation, breeding, rescues, education,

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and all sorts of folks you know, over two hundred

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years of experience across and really came together to create

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Good Owners with the idea of, you know, how can

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we improve owner access to kind of reliable knowledge and

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information and guidance.

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Speaker 2: So thanks for sharing that. Where would people access good Owners.

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Speaker 5: Good Owners dot dog easy to get there, easy to remember,

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good Owners dot dog or good Owners dot guide either one.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the things that you could find

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in there? Like usual, so we know, probably basic, you know,

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how do I teach my dog to sit and heal?

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Probably all the basic stuff. But what are some things

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that are unusual that people would say, Wow, I never

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thought I would look there for this kind of info.

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Speaker 5: Oh, such a good question. So, I mean, we really

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wanted to cover everything that you know, you or I

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as a dog owner mine encounter over the course of

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your life with your dog within reason, right, And it's

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now the largest most comprehensive resource for owners ever created.

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So we're really proud of kind of it's coverage, and

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we're constantly updating it and so it can be you know,

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some of the basic stuff, like you know, some of

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the potty training stuff, which you know, we say it's basic,

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but most of us, myself included, when we get our

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first puppy and even later puppies, there's a lot of

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different approaches to potty training, so you know, trying to

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understand how to approach that and what are some of

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the different things to think about, but to also things

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like socialization and great training, physical activity stuff. Grooming, Right,

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that's a big area that a lot of owners that

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we work with are really curious about, right, Like what

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types of coats do I need to groom and how

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do I groom them?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 5: If I you know, doodles are very popular these days, right,

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So if my dog is a hair dog, is a dooodle,

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is a poodle, you know, how does that affect grooming,

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nail trimming, that sort.

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Speaker 2: Of thing, okay, And what about medical questions, which you

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should always go to your vet, of course, but what

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if people right then and there they don't have access

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to their vet.

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Speaker 5: Yes, such a good question.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you an example, and this has actually happened

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to me, and it was freaky. I came home one

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night and mister Zeus, who's now in Doggy Heaven, was

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in my office and he was on the floor. His

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eyes were like rolling in his head, he was shaking,

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and he had gotten sick someplace else in the house.

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And I didn't know what the heck was going on.

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I was freaking out. And I live in a metropolitan,

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a city, so big area, so I had access to

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an animal hospital. Not everybody lives in areas where they

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do have access, where they could just drive to a

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twenty four hour animal hospital. He had a similar old

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dog disease, which is unusual, rare, and generally I found

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not like eleven o'clock at night. So what if somebody

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had something like that, happened something strange, would they be

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able to find the information in good owners?

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Speaker 5: Such a good question, right, because health is a big

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big thing. I would say a couple of things. First,

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exactly as you said, right, in an emergency situation, you've

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got a call of that, you've got to call it

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at hospital, because there's so many things that could be

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going on with a given set of symptoms, right, whether

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it's seizures or foaming, right, it could be poison, it

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could be a neurological disease, it could be a whole

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lot of things. So I would never recommend that somebody

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trying to read through anything in an emergency decision, of course.

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And I should say also that there's so many great

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that hospitals, not just locally, but also like phone lines

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that you can call and things like that I'm around

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the country, some of which I link to at the

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Good Owner's Guide at Good Owners Dog. So i'd say

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in EMERGENC situations, of course, you know, look out there

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to try and understand things. We also, I would say,

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in situations like that, in addition to the information that

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we contain, we really try to connect owners with an

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ecosystem of reliable resources. So, for example, like the Pep

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Boys and hotline, we have an app in the guide

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that you know lets you directs you to the pep

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Boys and hotline for example. So if you're worried about

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toxicity or something, your pet maybet or something like that.

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But so anyways, so i'd say, like you know, in

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the cute cases like that situation where you you're really

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worried about, as you should be, kind of real harm

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coming to your loved one in the short period of time,

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you know, get on the phone call that's call hospitals.

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That's the way to go for more janet or kind

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of systematic things like a lot of folks struggle with

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joint issues with their dogs, especially as they they get older, right,

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they might be creaky or might be moving, funnier things

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like that. That's a space where you can start to

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look to resources like ours for a better understanding of

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what your dog may be going through. If that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it could be something so maybe something like, Okay,

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my dog is eating grass and just puked. Why and

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that happens exactly time, and maybe someone is concerned because

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their dog did that, you know twice within twice in

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the day. So that's not super serious, but it's something

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of concern, of.

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Speaker 5: Course, exactly exactly. And you know, I should say also,

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you know, We focus a lot of our content on

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the behavioral side because there's a lot of behavioral explanations

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for things like, for example, even eating grass, where of

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course there's health explanations, but also but we also try

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to link to and share connections to good health resources

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out there. So for example, like fear Free as an organization,

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good vet mary resources. But I'd also say, you know,

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the vast majority of you know that's and vetex out there,

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folks working in the animal medical community really want to help.

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They really want to help pets still, like never has

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ait to call. People will always everyone from the front

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desk to the back office at any event or the

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animal health facility is going to really do their best

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to help you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all of the good ones will do that. Yes,

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of course what prompted you to start Good Owners.

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Speaker 5: So I mean it was really us going through this experience,

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you know, you know, many years ago now of you know,

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becoming dog owners. When we became Doggish for the first time,

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I think we, like a lot of folks, my wife

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and I, like a lot of folks, were lost, right,

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There were just so many questions we had that we

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didn't realize we would have, right, like a good example

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of socialization. We again I mentioned for you, we knew

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that we needed to socialize, you know, our puppy, but

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we didn't really know what that meant. We didn't understand,

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you know, how to go about that.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: We were like, Okay, well we need to take our

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puppy to meet a lot of people and take them

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to lots of places. And that's true, and it's great.

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But what we later discovered was, you know, how you

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socialize your puppy and what you socialize them too, can

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really affect the rest of their life, right how confident

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they are are, and how comfortable they are with different

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experiences and new experiences. And that was stuff that we

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learned later. And so I think that's just one example.

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in our lives with our dogs, we realized how much

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work it took and how hard it was to find

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good information that we could really work with and easily

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digest and like actually take into our lives pretty quickly

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with our puppy and our adult dog, you know. And

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so that's really what inspired us to start pursuing this

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work really is, you know, how can we make it

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easier for our owners to find their way to good information?

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You know, because I would say, you know, and feel

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free to let me know if I'm going off on

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too much of a tangent here, but you know, I

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would say that, you know, today, if you go to

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like Google or Facebook, that's the first place we all turn.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 5: You go to Google or Facebook, and it's really difficult

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to navigate because you get, you know, dozens of kind

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of SEO optimized bog posts or articles or videos, some

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of which may be good, but often they'll contradict one another,

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or they'll only deal with a particular situation or won't

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give you kind of broader contexts, and so you know,

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you end up spending you know, many many many hours

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going through all sorts of different resources and never really

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feeling confident or really feeling uncomfortable. Right, And so that

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was anyway, that was the inspiration for our work.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, You're right, there's almost information overkill out there

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because you go down the rabbit hole, you start looking

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for something, and then there could be sponsored ads that

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pop up depending on the browser you look at or

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use rather and there's just there's so much information. And

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speaking of all of AI and all of that, you

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also created something called dog GPT. That's right, what is that?

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Because I know a lot of people out there are

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probably familiar with chat GPT, which is you know AI

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and what is dog gpt.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So if you go back to twenty twenty three

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when all of these GPT things were kind of coming

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on the scene, you know, with chat GPT, and now

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you know Google has their Gemini at their bard and

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all these other you know programs out there, we found

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ourselves in kind of a special situation because we had,

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as I mentioned, you know, the largest knowledge base in

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the world on dog handling and dog ownership that we

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created over several years with the work of a lot

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of hard work of a lot of dedicated, experience knowledgeable folks. Right,

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we had this amazing kind of data set, so to speak,

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as well as some great you know MIT machine lending

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engineers on our team, this wonderful expert cohort, and so

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we had all of these sort of resources, and we

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said to ourselves, you know, can we try to build

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a you know, Q and a app you know using

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these GBT technologies, will what are called large language model

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technologies and drawing from our massive data set to provide

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owners with even easier, more immediate access to information. So

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that was really kind of the inspiration, and so it

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took us a couple of years of intense development, but

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eventually we succeeded. Right where now we have, as you mentioned, WGBT,

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which does exactly that. Right, you can ask a question.

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It draws from the resources we have in the Good

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Owner's Guide to Dogs and others, and it gives you

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kind of, you know, consistent, reliable, comprehensive information to help

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you understand the situation you might be in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, We're going to take a quick break for

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Speaker 3: As your dog or cat chewed through yet another set

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. We're talking to Darren Bellisario. He is

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the CEO of Good Owners and dog GPT. So we

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talked a little about dog gp why it was created,

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what it is, how does it.

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Speaker 5: Work, so from the perspective of a dog owner or

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Speaker 2: Very basically so like where do I find dog GPT?

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And very basic because we have all types of listeners.

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Some listeners are very tech savvy. Summer. You know, I

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have a smartphone and I call on it, maybe text

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and that's it. So there's a lot of different levels

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of experience with technology that listen to Best Bets for Pets.

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So where do I find it and how does it work?

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What do I do? Did I just type in a

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question or talk and say a question? Is it kind

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of like chet gpt and it's an app? Correct?

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Speaker 5: Yes? So you can find it at doggpt dot com

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really easy, or you can go to good Owners dot

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dog and find it there as well, and you can

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use it either on its own a doggbt dot com

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or if you go to the Good Owner's Guide, we

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have it integrated there and the way it works is

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super simple. Exactly what you said, right, You asked a question,

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you know, I give it example, right, like why you know,

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why is my dog bouncing off the walls?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 5: A lot of us face the situation, you know, no

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matter how much I take my dog for walks or

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take them to the park, like they always seem to

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be bouncing off. What's going on? You just ask your

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question and what it's gonna spit out is, you know,

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after thinking for a second, it's kind of say, okay,

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well here's the three, four, five, ten different things that

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might be going on. And so you should pretty instantly

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have a good sense for you know, what might be

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going on in your in your dog's in your dog's mind,

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in your dog's life.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And there's a lot of AI out there right

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now that you have. Like you said, there's different ones, Gemini, Copilot,

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there's all kinds of names. There's a lot of them.

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Why makes dog GPT different? Again, chat GBT is out there,

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But so if I ask chat GPT, why is my

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dog going off the wall? And dog GBT, why is

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my dog going, you know, off the wall? And actually

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I've experienced this my oh when they're little. I used

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to have to go the dog park every single time

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day with my dog because otherwise I was in for crazies.

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But I get that. So if I ask, you know,

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dog GBT and chat GPT, it's the same question. What

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makes it dog GPT different?

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Speaker 5: I love that question. I'm so glad you asked that, Michelle,

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because it's so so important. I think that in these

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early days of AI coming out there under the scene,

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many of us as users have difficulty understanding kind of

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the differences and all that. So one of the challenges

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was what we call general large language models or kind

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of general chat AI apps like chat GBT or Gemini

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or co pilot, Right, is that they can't distinguish good

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information from bad information, So they're pulling from the entire internet, right,

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And that's that's fine, right, that's what they know how

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to do, and that's really powerful in a lot of circumstances.

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you take an area like dogs, as you know, there

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so so much kind of erroneous information. And that's part

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of what's so confusing for dog owners, right, is that

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when you look for insight, you get fifteen different answers

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from fifteen different places, and they all contradict one another.

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to help you with it is giving you a picture

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that you know you can rely on. For example, just

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of work that was done by the Columbia School of Journalism.

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CHATCHBT and Rock and Gemini and a few others, and

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they found that sixty percent of responses in their use

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case war incorrect were factually wrong, and forty two percent

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of responses were confidently wrong, meaning the AI was telling

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the user this is definitely the answer, and it was

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it was incorrect, right. And So I think with general

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chat applications like chatjibt in Geena, you just have to

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be really, really careful. So when you're looking for specific

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information is based like for example, right, what dog GBT

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gives you is do you know where it's getting its insights?

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to Dogs. You know that it's reliable. You can also

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follow up, so you know, let's say you ask a

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question from dog GPT, you know on activity, and it

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gives you some information, well, if you're accessing it through

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the Good Owner's Guide to Dogs, right, you can also

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then just go to the relevant chapters and learn more,

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so you can dig deeper on your own. So it

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gives you that dynamic experience as well. So I would

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Speaker 2: You know, as you were describing it, and this is

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coming out a left field, my listeners know that I

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sometimes do this and made me think of the Wizard

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of Oz, Like you're asking the question to the Great Oz, Right,

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the Great AI service that you're using, and yeah, there

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might be just peculiarities that aren't inconsistent or not exactly

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what you need. So here's the tough one. How do

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people know that dog GPT is going to give them

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the right answer?

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Speaker 5: I love that question. It's all about transparency. Everything we

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have is pulling from the Governer's Guide to Dog, So

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you can go there yourself and you can see all

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the information that we're pulling from and who's created and

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all of that, so it's not a black box. And

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the way to say, say chatchbyts okay.

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Speaker 2: And then just to refresh people's memory from the first

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session that we had good Owner's Guide who compiled all

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Where was all that information compiled from?

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Speaker 5: Yes, So that took us several years to develop an

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incredible team of trainers and dog professionals around the country. Right,

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folks coming from you know pet dog training, sports, dog sports. Right,

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if folks are familiar that, you know agility and obedience, confirmation,

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a show, you know dog show stuff, breeding, rescues, you

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know education. So just a lot of really incredible folks

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over two hundred years of professional training experience on the team.

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we're constantly updating it. It's a living document, like we're

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revising it every single week, every single month. And I

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should say just none of it would live I possible

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without the really, really hard work of everyone who's contributed.

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dot Dog. You know, nobody ever looks at acknowledgments, I know,

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but it's good to take a look and see all

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the folks who have really made impossible exactly.

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Speaker 2: So, could there ever be a question that dog GPT

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, happens all the time, and it'll say, it'll

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tell you. And although it's funny because you know, when

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we got out there and we started running dog, you

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doth folks, it was really funny. Where you tend to

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get a mixture of two types of questions. The first

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like why is my dog bouncing off the walls? Or

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you know, my dog barks all day when I know

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work right? Or leash pulling that's a really big one

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that a lot of us struggle with. It is like

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my dog's pulling on a leash but I do. So

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there's like a handful of questions I would say, like

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ten to twenty questions that is about like seventy eighty

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percent of what folks are struggling with. And then there's

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another like ten to twenty percent of questions which are

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really peculiar, interesting, obscure, weird situation.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, Yeah, yeah, so really strange ones like

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something I'm I probably ask a strange one like like

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that versibular old dog, well that you'd run to the

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doctor for. But so what happens with those weird questions?

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Like what about does somebody ever ask something like can

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I paint my dog's nails? Well, people like room their

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dogs know that, But maybe that's not a good question.

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What's an obscure question that comes up? I can't even

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think of one because.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'll tell you my favorite, the weirdest one.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the weirdest.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what's the one, the weirdest, the weirdest question that

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I've seen? At least the doctor he could ask, is

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someone had a dog that was really going bokers and

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just losing their mind and stressed out and bouncing off

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the walls, but only when the air conditioning turned on

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and only in a certain room, right, and so you know,

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and it had nothing to do with temperature and all

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this other stuff. It was a really weird situation. And

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you know, that's a specific case where look, when you're

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dealing with something like that, you've got to work with

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a trainer. And I think one thing I should say,

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which I should have highlighted earlier. No matter what situation

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you're facing, we really encourage everybody to go and talk

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to a professional dog trainer or other kind of relevant

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dog professional, right, And we always say that at the

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end of dog GBT, right, because it's there to kind

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of give you some insight and help you understand a

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little bit better the situation you're in. But actually working

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with your dog or helping your dog in a particular

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situation like that, takes a lot of skill, It takes

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a lot of nuance. And the easiest, fastest way to

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help your dog in those types of cases is, you know,

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talk to a professional. They're going to help you, they're

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going to teach you, they're going to give you the

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tools you need to really be successful. So I should

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have said that earlier, But that's really really important.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And see I would have just thought maybe the

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room is haunted or something. I mean, there's always that

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percentage of unknown in just about everything, right, there's always

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whether it's a minute or a little bit larger, there's

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always some unknown. But that is odd one particular.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was That was a weird one, for sure.

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Speaker 2: It's weird. Yeah, something I would probably have to deal

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with them with my crew here. But my crews all

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cat for dog GPT. So you can download it at

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dog GPT or at good Owners dot Dog. Is it

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a something you can just download? Is it something that

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has a subscription? How does it work?

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Speaker 5: Good question? So dodgpt dot com. You can sign up

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to join right now. It's in beta access only. We're

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limiting kind of who has access to it, just to

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kind of control that a little bit. So you can

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sign up there. You can put in your email and

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then we'll notify you if we're going to connect you.

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It's totally free. If you go to the Good Owner's Guide,

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Good Owners dot Dog or good Owners dot Guide and

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sign up for our general guide, that will get access

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to DODGEBT directly. So when you search the guide, it

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will tell you what chapters to look for, and it

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will also give you kind of the dog GBT kind

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of insight and answer there so you can check it

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out there more quickly if you'd like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks for that. Where do you see dog GPT

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in say, five years?

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Speaker 5: It's hard, man, the way things goes fastest. That's a

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tough one. Yeah, I would say a. You know, our

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overall mission with dog GPT and with the Guide to

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Dogs is really transforming owner access to information. Right We're

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tired of sixty million, seventy million, eighty million dog owners

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really lost in the chaos of information out there, and

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so we want to really get this out there to

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as many folks as we can so they have a

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single place to go to start to get started on

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their learning journey.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would love that too. And I think the

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more that people know, as you know, owners or pet parents,

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the more they know, the more they're informed, the more

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dogs that are rescued, and you know, the better off

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we all are, right, I mean, that's the ultimate less

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dogs that are in shelter, well, less dogs that remain

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in shelters and worse, because that's exactly a lot of

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it has to do with being informed. We saw a

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lot of that unfortunately right after the pandemic with you know,

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people just returning their dogs, which you know, if they

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had more access to better information, maybe they wouldn't have

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done that.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly it. And you know, I'd say a couple

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of things there. One is you hit the nail on

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the head, Michelle. You know, we think a significant percentage

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of free homes returns to rescues are when you talk

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to those folks and we've interviewed several hundred dog owners

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in the last few years. I mean, you talk to

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those folks often they they they could have potentially been successful,

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but their expectations weren't always you know, they didn't have

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that toolkit on day one to really kind of be

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a little prepared and kind of hit the ground. Rings

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your spot on there. The other thing I would say

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is the more that you know, the easier your life

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is with your dog.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, so much of our lives with the dogs

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are spent kind of wondering and not sure and you know,

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struggling a little bit at times because we care so

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much about them and we want them to be happy

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and successful and healthy. And so I think you're absolutely right, Like,

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the more you know, the easier life is with your companion, right.

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Speaker 2: And people definitely need to be more educated. Mister Zeus

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came to me. I found him because he was returned

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to a shelter, so it was lucky for me, and

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it was for a ridiculous reason. But do you want

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to hear?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I do now I'm curious. I didn't, yeah, you know,

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but I mean. And Zeus is a great name.

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Speaker 2: By the way, he's in doggie Heaven now, but he was.

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I called him my angel boy because he was such

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a sweet, sweet, little timid dog. He's forty pound flat

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hair retriever mix, and so I went. When I went

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to the shelter, it was right after my other one passed.

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I was lonely, so I find I wanted a border

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Callie mix. So he's flat hair retriever border Collie and

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maybe some other stuff. And it was a hurricane was

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coming up, so I was just looking, look and looking.

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So when I found him, he's this little fifteen pound fluffball,

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and you know, not fluffy like a little dog fluffy,

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but you know, he's all fluffy, still puppy for and

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he was named first of all, his name was Binkie.

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So why Binky, that was what they named him.

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Speaker 5: But he was.

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Speaker 2: Returned because he was growling at the sun when the

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sun was pulling the dog toy. And I thought, that

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is ridiculous. All dogs growl if your kid's gonna or

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adult is going to play with their toy, that's how

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they play. They go, whoah, you know, I'm not doing

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a good dog growl, but you know, like oh, and

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they're right, and they have it in their teeth and

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that's how they play.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was someone just not aware maybe thought and

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I get that, you know, maybe they thought their child

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was endangered, but that's how dogs play, and a child

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should not be pulling something out of a dog's mouth

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anyways at all. Ever, So I was glad they didn't

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have dog gpt then because I wouldn't have had mister

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Zeus back in mine. But that's one of the things

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that I think could be avoided people. You know, if

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you adopt from a shelter, and I think the dog

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was initially dropped from the same shelter it was returned to.

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Should you know, if they were educated, this dog wouldn't

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have been taken, you know, brought to a home and

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then brought back, and then I get that things things

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sometimes happen even if you are educated. But this could

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have been avoided better for me, but could have been

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avoided easily. It's this is basic behavior for a dog,

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for a puppy.

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Speaker 5: What a fantastic story. I mean, that is such a

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good That's exactly it, Michelling, you hit, that is exactly

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the situation that we're talking about here is you know,

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and I really put the onus on us as a

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professional community, right, how do we make it easier and

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give those owners at ass to easier access to information? Right?

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Because look, I can't say enough that everyone, every dog

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parent out there should absolutely try to please go find

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a good professional dog trainer to work with a little bit, right,

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take some classes, go work with them, many of them.

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If you don't live near a good one, then you know,

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you can go online to any of them, do virtual.

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But I know that that's a big lift and a

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big step for a lot of folks. And so I think,

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you know, how do we create easier access to helping

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people get some good information and start their learning journey

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and satisfy their curiosity and be better set up for

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success with their puppies in exactly the type of situations

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you described, right, Because right now we're giving folks puppies

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and dogs and saying kind of, you know, good luck,

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right there you go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the soldiers do a pretty good job of

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betting and asking the right questions and all of that.

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So that's better. But pet parents and potential pet parents

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should do a little research as well, and you know,

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pre presearch, pre research before they even adopt, and then

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research when they have issues.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And how do we as a community make it

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easier for them to do that research? Because I understand right,

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I mean, lives are busy and stressful, and people don't

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know what they don't know, right, And so how do

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we as a community make that, you know, as easier

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for folks to because you know, one thing I should say,

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you know, with the Guide to Dogs, when we show

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that and test that with you know, pet owners, some

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of the most incredible responses are always you know, just

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oh my gosh, this is amazing, Like this is eye opening.

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I'm so glad to have it. Like so much. We're

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i mean people, dog owners. We want to learn, right,

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we care so much about our dogs. We want information.

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We're curious about our dogs, right, and so it's a

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shame that you know that it can be so difficult

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to to to find that knowledge and information and guidance.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes exactly now before we close out our show, where

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can people find all of this great information?

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Speaker 5: Good owners dot dog or doggpt dot com.

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Speaker 2: Easypasy all right, Thank you so much Darren for coming

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on Best Bets for Pets.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me, Michelle, this was wonderful.

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Speaker 2: One more quick question, what about cat GPT? Is that

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coming soon?

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Speaker 5: Oh? That is the number one thing we get requested.

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That is definitely in the pipeline.

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Speaker 2: For sure, because you know cats, you think dogs. There's

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a lot of questions for dogs, even more for cats.

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Cats are yes, definitely interesting because I have a cat

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for now and dog so yes, and a lot of

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people have dogs and.

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Speaker 5: Cats absolutely, And i'd say, you know, it took us

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three three plus years to kind of build the knowledge

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set for the Guide to Dogs. Kafie will be able

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to do the cat piece quicker with everything we've learned

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and how far we've come.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wonderful. Well, thank you again for coming on Best

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Bets for Pets.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much for having the show.

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Speaker 2: I hope you all enjoyed the show. What great information.

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So wonderful to have Darren on the show. Please make

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sure you check out Goodowners dot Dog or Good Owner's

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Guide and you can also find dog GPT on that

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site and you'll have plenty of info. I am looking

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forward to catch GPT. Thanks to my guest Darren Belisario

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for coming on Best Bets for Pets. Thanks to everyone

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that listens to Best Bets for Pets. I appreciate your

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listenership so much. Thanks to my cat crew Dennis, Charlotte

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and Mollie for constantly keeping me on my toes and

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of course Huge Jue. Thank you to my amazing producer,

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Mark Winter for working his magic and making this show

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sound amazing. And remember you'll never know what we'll have

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next on Best Bets for Pets.

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