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<v Speaker 1>want to welcome everyone back to our reading of Unresistance

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<v Speaker 1>to Evil by four by Ivan eileen Is, episode number

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, Doctor Johnson, How are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>You know I've been translating up to chapter twenty. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't get headaches anymore, which is a very good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But my god, it's hard this absolutely But I had

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<v Speaker 2>something else to say. I was watching I know you're

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<v Speaker 2>a fan, you've watched it before Breaking Bad. I watched

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<v Speaker 2>the series for like the fourth time, and I came

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<v Speaker 2>to the scene where Natcho led in the mercenaries to

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<v Speaker 2>kill La Loo. I'm saying to myself, what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>is wrong with these guys? Six guys? This is a fortress,

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<v Speaker 2>an unknown fortress with heavily armed guards. There could be

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<v Speaker 2>even worse as far as I and he sends six guys.

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<v Speaker 2>How intelligent can this guy be? This is the most

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<v Speaker 2>idiotic thing I could imagine. Really bugged me. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why I didn't notice it before. Six guys for

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<v Speaker 2>a heavily armed fortress. Of course they're all going to

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<v Speaker 2>be killed. Awful. It wasn't thought through.

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<v Speaker 3>M Yeah, I haven't watched.

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<v Speaker 2>I got that out. I needed to get that out.

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's a lot of fans out there. I

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<v Speaker 2>needed to get it out, which is a stupid thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind plot holes. I mean, my life has

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<v Speaker 2>plot holes. But that's something that just that's how you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't work for Chilean intelligence or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He would never no one would ever make that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Alrighty, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna finish up, uh, finish up this chapter today,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're off to the races. Each of these states,

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<v Speaker 1>in the presence of genuine evil and true vision, can

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<v Speaker 1>be and is, a spiritually healthy and vitally expedient reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to villainous manifestations and actions. So the task of a

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<v Speaker 1>person striving for spiritually faithful life will not consist in

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<v Speaker 1>unconditionally avoiding these states, but in not allowing them within

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<v Speaker 1>oneself without sufficient grounds, in spiritually mastering them and not

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<v Speaker 1>allowing them to cloud the clarity of spiritual vision, and

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<v Speaker 1>always keeping them within the ancestral bosom of fundamental benevolence,

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<v Speaker 1>and always preserving within oneself the capacity to restore the

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<v Speaker 1>fullness of love, the highest and purest dispassion is freedom

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<v Speaker 1>from evil and personal passions from the passions of a

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<v Speaker 1>spiritually not objectified, godless self.

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<v Speaker 2>What he's getting out to here, first of all, the

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<v Speaker 2>states he's making reference to or in the previous paragraph,

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<v Speaker 2>and the states are how to deal with a villain

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<v Speaker 2>or a criminal. You start off with, you know, disapproval

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<v Speaker 2>over minor things, lack of sympathy, grief, reprimand, and then condemnation, protest, denunciation,

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<v Speaker 2>mental coersion, the infliction of mental suffering, indignation, and then

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<v Speaker 2>physical coercion, discuss disrespect, suppression, ruthlessness, and finally, if everything

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<v Speaker 2>else fails, the capital punishment. And he kind of has

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<v Speaker 2>a timeline there, sort of. I don't think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect you know, one, two, three, four, but you definitely

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<v Speaker 2>get the picture of what you go through when you're

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with That's not what you talking about external enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about, say, a criminal domestically. But what he's

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<v Speaker 2>getting at here is very important and it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an ongoing theme that in the legitimate fight against evil,

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<v Speaker 2>the fight itself can bring out the worst in people.

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<v Speaker 2>May have evil people on your side that might use

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<v Speaker 2>the fight against evil solely as a way to justify

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<v Speaker 2>their own sociopathy. You might even be affected by that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we've said this before. You can't go through

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<v Speaker 2>this without being affected. Whether they're police or soldiers, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't go through this without being affected. How much you

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<v Speaker 2>know that depends. But and keeping your cool, keeping your

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual vision even in the even in the thick of

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<v Speaker 2>it of the battle. That's that's asking a lot, that's

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<v Speaker 2>asking a lot, and even even the best of us

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<v Speaker 2>can fall, you know, using the fact that we're combating

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<v Speaker 2>evil as a way to just bring out the worst

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<v Speaker 2>in ourselves, you know, inflicting pain because we enjoy being

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<v Speaker 2>in charge, rather doing it for the sake of fighting

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<v Speaker 2>evil and bringing out the good. So that's what he's

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<v Speaker 2>getting at, and he'll get at it quite often. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very important point to make.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not indifference, nor lack of will, nor inaction.

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<v Speaker 1>The highest and puristist's passion knows its ups and downs,

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<v Speaker 1>its storms, thunder and eruptions. But their source is not

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<v Speaker 1>the animal and man, but the spirit's vision and its presence.

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<v Speaker 1>These storms and thunders that then reveal not evil nor malice,

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<v Speaker 1>nor the weakness of men, but his strength and goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is not their presence that damages the essence

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<v Speaker 1>of the spirit, while their absence would be spiritually unnatural.

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<v Speaker 1>If a Christian ever doubted this, they would only need

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<v Speaker 1>to recall the thunders that divinely thundered over the Pharisees

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<v Speaker 1>and scribes, over the merchants in the temple, over Jerusalem

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<v Speaker 1>slaughtering its profits, and over those who seduce miners. It

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<v Speaker 1>is enough to proceed in these thunders, just once the

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<v Speaker 1>very power of love that teaches us to do good

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<v Speaker 1>to our enemies, forgive offenses and joyfully give away our possessions,

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<v Speaker 1>for the idealization of sentimental weakness to begin to fade

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<v Speaker 1>in the soul.

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<v Speaker 2>This this, yeah, this tends to be This could be

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<v Speaker 2>used in either case, either, you know, fighting external enemies,

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<v Speaker 2>external enemies within our borders, as well as domestic enemies

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<v Speaker 2>trying to remain I mean, you know, hatred makes a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of sense if it's under reasons control and if

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<v Speaker 2>it has a legitimate object. Now I'm not sure it's

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<v Speaker 2>slaughtering its profits. Well, that was done. That was done

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<v Speaker 2>by an evil sect, That was done by the worst

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<v Speaker 2>you know testament. He's not justifying that It's just an example.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of it, though, what Christ did to the

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<v Speaker 2>money chambers, changers in the temple, what he said to

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<v Speaker 2>the pharisees and scrimes, which at at the time you know,

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<v Speaker 2>would be like us, you know, using very foul language,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, seducing minors. It would seduce is probably

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<v Speaker 2>not the right word, but that is the Russian here.

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<v Speaker 2>These are examples of the fact that, with the exception

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<v Speaker 2>of the prophets, that physical and verbal violent verbal violence

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<v Speaker 2>with quotes is certainly justified because Christ didn't and it

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense and it's according to reason, and it's the

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<v Speaker 2>last one.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Pedophilia rightfully brings out just such utter hatred in normal

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<v Speaker 2>people that would be tough to keep under control. We

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<v Speaker 2>all know what happens to them in prison. We all

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<v Speaker 2>know that sometimes guards lets certain guys know guess who's

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<v Speaker 2>coming in. Maybe they'll leave their cell door open, something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, but everyone else is locked. As these guys

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<v Speaker 2>are coming back. You know, they do things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least outwardly, they have to show a certain

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<v Speaker 2>level of this passion. They're professionals. You know, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way a policeman could ever remain the same man through

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years dealing with the lowest in the humanity. But

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<v Speaker 2>you really only know someone And I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what he's getting at here. Only when they've

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<v Speaker 2>been through the lowest of the low That's what reveals,

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<v Speaker 2>is he says, here is strength in goodness. If they

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<v Speaker 2>refuse to do anything they used to act, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be unnatural, is what he's saying. There's nothing in Christianity

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<v Speaker 2>that would that would suggest what Tolstoy is talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Tolstoy is kind of kind of I'm gonna slowly drop

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<v Speaker 2>out here. I think he's made his point with Tulstoy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know many times.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only problem that we have we have to

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<v Speaker 2>make there's differences between dealing with evil within ourselves, dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with evil in a in a public arena, uh, internally domestically,

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with evil that's coming over our borders. Those are

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<v Speaker 2>at least three very different ways of fighting evil. Now

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<v Speaker 2>within ourselves, you wouldn't use force, you would use you know,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to try to coerce yourself. They have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>in common. But sometimes, and it's my only problem so

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<v Speaker 2>far with the book, sometimes I'm not sure which one

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<v Speaker 2>of those he's referring to. Now, why he includes these

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<v Speaker 2>rere all to find things? Yeah, thought of the prophets

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<v Speaker 2>obviously that's bad. Cursing out the pharisees and scribes that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Beating the merchants in the temple that was good. And

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<v Speaker 2>then of course sorting his prophets was banned through some

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<v Speaker 2>miners was bad. So uh, now, what what makes it

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<v Speaker 2>make sense is that Christ specifically mentioned those things. We

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<v Speaker 2>know the Old Testament is is always going should be

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the Bible, even though I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a movement to get rid of it. He did mention

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<v Speaker 2>to these these pharisees, your your father's killed the prophet

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<v Speaker 2>that God sent to you. And of course you also mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and to my little the little ones. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you get it better better, you never be born.

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<v Speaker 2>So even Christ was almost losing it when it came

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<v Speaker 2>to his human side, when it came to hurting hurting children.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what makes it all a unified sentence there,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know. But none of these, of course, are

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<v Speaker 2>our personal enemies, none of them are. These are all

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<v Speaker 2>insults against God, insults in crimes that I know, as

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<v Speaker 2>Catholics say, cry out to Heaven for vengeance.

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<v Speaker 1>At one great and terrible moment in history, an active

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<v Speaker 1>divine love in the guise of wrath and scourge drove

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<v Speaker 1>the blasphemous mob from the temple. This act was and

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<v Speaker 1>will be the greatest prototype and justification for all spiritually

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<v Speaker 1>and objectively grounded manifestations of love in the form of rejection.

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<v Speaker 1>With it before their mind's eye, all prophets, rulers, judges, educators,

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<v Speaker 1>and warriors can calmly face the possible judgment coming from

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<v Speaker 1>them from weak willed sense of mentality, and the possible

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<v Speaker 1>classification of them as god sacrificing haters. Their task is

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<v Speaker 1>to affirm the strength of spiritual benevolence and the clarity

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<v Speaker 1>of spiritual vision, as well as to remember the joyless

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<v Speaker 1>difficulty of the struggle they wage.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite part about the when he whips, he really

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<v Speaker 2>hurt them. I could only assume when he made that whip.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bible tells us he was very careful about it.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew what he was doing, and I'd probably had

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<v Speaker 2>done it before. You know, he put he put his

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<v Speaker 2>weapon together very well. And and you know I've I've

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<v Speaker 2>been in debates with Culstoian types, and they say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it was only the one time. I said, what difference

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<v Speaker 2>so the New Testament is only I mean, sorry, Gus

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<v Speaker 2>It's something that he did that was a populous measure,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, was John the Baptist kind of stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>it certainly justifies the use of physical violence. No doubt

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<v Speaker 2>that there were discussions before that that went nowhere, as

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<v Speaker 2>Christ already knew. And in fashioning his weapon and beating

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<v Speaker 2>a crapt them, you imagine us walking into you know church,

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<v Speaker 2>you know these evil people there. You have a whip

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<v Speaker 2>and you just start whipping them. But people would turn

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<v Speaker 2>around and you know, it'd be great. I've never done

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<v Speaker 2>it personally, but this was something. So they were usurers.

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<v Speaker 2>There were loan sharks more or less, and you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>this in the temple and I think at that point

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<v Speaker 2>They may have. I mean he was educated there at

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<v Speaker 2>the temple. I remember that this was a humongous, very

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<v Speaker 2>large set of institutions. Wasn't just like our parishes. But uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the former, and it's and it's love. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a love for his father why he did that as

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual vision. Of course, if we were to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we would be so angry that maybe our

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<v Speaker 2>vision wouldn't be so ah, so clear. I've confronted people

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<v Speaker 2>in in in the parish, in the in the vestibule before.

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<v Speaker 2>Even that got a lot of attention. I didn't beat anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>But but that's a common argument. The Tustonians will say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's only one time. You know, he clearly had done

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<v Speaker 2>when he was making this this essentially Cat nine tails,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's yeah, it's gonna be one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>For negative law, love is joyless and tormenting.

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<v Speaker 3>For man.

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<v Speaker 1>It demands of him a feat and a severe feet

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<v Speaker 1>at that it demands strength, endurance, and steadfastness. It demands

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<v Speaker 1>enormous exertions of will, fidelity to the onerous responsibilities one

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<v Speaker 1>is assumed, selflessness and constant spiritual activity and self purification.

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<v Speaker 1>Since this rejection or negative love rests not on personal

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<v Speaker 1>calculations and passions, but on the genuine experience of evil

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<v Speaker 1>and the spiritual necessity responding to it, it does not

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<v Speaker 1>yield to arbitrary extinguishing or transformation into positive love, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how much a weary or exhausted soul may plead

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<v Speaker 1>for it. Misunderstanding of this struggle and its burden, and

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<v Speaker 1>the morally crooked judgment of lazy, timid, sensitive, and hypocritical

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<v Speaker 1>people complete the joylessness of this feat under whose burden

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<v Speaker 1>noble and refined souls have always found courage, and in

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<v Speaker 1>so doing have never doubted the righteousness of their cause. Thus,

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the spirit modifies the appearance of love

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<v Speaker 1>in the form of its manifestation.

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<v Speaker 2>So negative love is something along the lines of tough love.

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<v Speaker 2>When I confronted it was a priest. Actually, I confront

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<v Speaker 2>an investibule. I won't say where he was not the pastor.

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<v Speaker 2>He was against, and the pastor was very upset with me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had it out with him ten minutes later

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<v Speaker 2>in front of him. He apologized to me, saying I overreacted.

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<v Speaker 2>In other word, yeah, you were right to confront this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's saying absolutely heretical things in front of people as

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<v Speaker 2>a clergyman. So but I could say to some extent,

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<v Speaker 2>I had the love of the truth in my know

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<v Speaker 2>that was the primary reason I was doing I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do it. Wants to make a scene like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I had never done anything like that before

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<v Speaker 2>I knew what I was talking about. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>some people know this story who are listening right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But but it's it's, you know, using negative, negative love

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<v Speaker 2>in the sense that it's it's love that's not shown

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<v Speaker 2>in the way it's normally shown. And the opposite of

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<v Speaker 2>that would be what he says, you know, lazy, timid,

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<v Speaker 2>sensitive and hypocritical people. Now sensitive is is? I? Probably?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to I should go back and look at

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<v Speaker 2>that term. I think I probably it should have been

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<v Speaker 2>if I remember right, it may have been weak. It's

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<v Speaker 2>sensitive is not bad in and of itself, but hypocritical, lazy, timid.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are the people who who have you know,

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<v Speaker 2>who would never loved the truth so much that they

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<v Speaker 2>would do something like that in its service, looking at

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<v Speaker 2>me like I was crazy, even though I was justified

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<v Speaker 2>in the end. These are the same people who would

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<v Speaker 2>never who don't you know, really care if I was

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<v Speaker 2>in that. If I saw someone doing that and I

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<v Speaker 2>knew the reason why, I probably I would join in,

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<v Speaker 2>But I fully, I would fully understand where this is

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<v Speaker 2>coming from. You know, I didn't do it joining liturgy

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. You know, I did it afterwards. So and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you're doing this full time, I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>do do this full time. You know, strength endures insteadfastness

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<v Speaker 2>without it affecting you in such a way that you

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<v Speaker 2>become like them. I'm not even talking about that your

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<v Speaker 2>beliefs change. But you you know, sometimes you forget that

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing is the very last resort we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about now more abstractly, you know, physical violence being

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute last resort after everything else has been has

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<v Speaker 2>been done. This is why I'm certain that in the

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<v Speaker 2>Temple Christ didn't just show up and start whipping these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I have the feeling he had confronted them many times

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<v Speaker 2>and nothing changed, And so he just that was now finally,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you couldn't do anymore, couldn't. He whipped them out,

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<v Speaker 2>no question, he was condemned by these lazy, timid, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hypocritical people. You know, it is a burden, as he

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<v Speaker 2>says here, it is difficult. No one wants to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>But for those of us who are dedicated to the truth,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I am. Although we always make mistakes,

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<v Speaker 2>and we always allow external internal forces to affect us,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully not for long, and we're all sinful people, and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes we screw up and all that, but that there

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<v Speaker 2>is a certain joy in it, those of us who've

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<v Speaker 2>never doubted the righteousness of my cause. I've never done

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<v Speaker 2>the righteousness of I've read the other side in depth.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the other side extremely well. Some of these

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<v Speaker 2>writers are better than others. So I always thought that

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<v Speaker 2>debating somebody, when you keep your cool, that is an

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<v Speaker 2>active love. It's absolutely an active love, and I would

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<v Speaker 2>even say negative, it's just another manifestation of what love

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<v Speaker 2>truly is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is precisely through this influence of the spirit on

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<v Speaker 1>the primitive, naive, direct and blind power of love that

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<v Speaker 1>it acquires higher abilities and higher tasks and as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of this, its entire attitude towards evil is affirmed

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<v Speaker 1>on the following grounds. For love to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>effectively resist evil, it must be spiritually understood, limited, and modified.

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<v Speaker 1>But once understood and modified, it is the initial and

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<v Speaker 1>supreme basis of the entire struggle waged by man against evil.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole problem of resistance to evil is resolved by

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<v Speaker 1>this basic principle. The struggle is waged precisely by love,

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<v Speaker 1>but by spiritualized love.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you remember, he's been through this, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a very informal list. Then on the following ground, he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't you know one, two, three, This is actually in

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<v Speaker 2>the original here he's done this before, but now he's

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<v Speaker 2>using this as is far more detailed and summarizes a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of what he said up until that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Up to this point, this means that the rule resists

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<v Speaker 1>evil not out of love is fundamentally rejected in all

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<v Speaker 1>its possible interpretations and implementations. Any act that grows from

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<v Speaker 1>another source either does not combat evil but multiplies it,

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<v Speaker 1>or fights not evil but it's individual superficial symptoms. Consequently,

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<v Speaker 1>one must condemn both non loving non resistance. When someone

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<v Speaker 1>tries to sober up evildoers with generosity and compliance. Driven however,

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<v Speaker 1>not by love, but for example, by rational calculation or

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<v Speaker 1>coward or cowardly weakness of will. One must also condemn

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<v Speaker 1>non unloving coercion. When someone fights evildoers out of malice, revenge, hunger, greed,

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<v Speaker 1>or the luss for power. Both can be psychologically understood.

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<v Speaker 1>Both can be relatively harmful and relatively useful in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of overall energy conservation, but there will be no real

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<v Speaker 1>resistance to evil in either case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I forgot about that. I should have gone back

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<v Speaker 2>and looked at that again. Energy conservation. But it is

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<v Speaker 2>true that, you know, fanatics really are the only ones

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<v Speaker 2>who get anything done. People on your side who are

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<v Speaker 2>driven by revenge, you know, hunger, breed less for power.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, so long as they're going to be kept

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<v Speaker 2>under control, because let's say during the Russian Civil War,

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<v Speaker 2>you know you need guys like that. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>few lunatics on your side just when you're fighting the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Army. But they can't be allowed to just run wild.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to be brought under control. That's why he

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<v Speaker 2>says they're relatively harmful and can also be psychologically understood.

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<v Speaker 1>Consequently, there remains only one universal rule resists evil out

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<v Speaker 1>of love, giving all that is yours where it is needed,

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<v Speaker 1>out of love, coercing and suppressing where necessary, out of love,

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<v Speaker 1>persuading and out of love, punishing, and out of love,

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<v Speaker 1>giving nothing of yours if this property, if it isn't yours,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, if it is also God's a shrine, a church,

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<v Speaker 1>a homeland, or their material embodiment, and all their manifestations

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<v Speaker 1>giving and not giving, pleading and punishing, this level will

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<v Speaker 1>be neither indifference, nor self sufficient sensitivity, nor timid indulgence,

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<v Speaker 1>nor weak willed pity, nor complicity.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was in college University of Harnford, I distinctly

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<v Speaker 2>remember the day I knew I was going to go

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<v Speaker 2>to grad school. I said to myself, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>such a you know, I was watching people just repeat slogans,

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<v Speaker 2>usually left the slogans of course it's university, not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>because they even agreed with them, because this is what

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<v Speaker 2>this is what the smart people are saying. Even a

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<v Speaker 2>few people on our side, it's just you know, you know, spouting,

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<v Speaker 2>so they don't really understand. Of course, that was only

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<v Speaker 2>I was just a young guy myself. But I made

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<v Speaker 2>a decision. I made a promise to myself that I

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<v Speaker 2>was simply going to follow the truth wherever it takes me,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's inconvenient, and God knows, it's been very inconvenient,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it hurts not just about you know, outside,

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<v Speaker 2>but about myself too. That's a that's a rough life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm starting to realize very few people can do it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I I I left grad school obsessed with

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<v Speaker 2>you know, going over these texts day after day after

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<v Speaker 2>day for god knows how many years. Then going out

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<v Speaker 2>into the world and realizing that the truth is not

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<v Speaker 2>really a motivating force for most people. I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of naive, but that was an extremely It was almost

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<v Speaker 2>a crushing realization that the truth wasn't the issue. True,

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<v Speaker 2>it was more, you know, self interest, what makes me

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<v Speaker 2>look smart, what makes me conform, you know, virtual signaling,

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing. But I remember that day, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember where, I remember where I was, and I said

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<v Speaker 2>to myself, I'm not going to be like them. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be like them. I'm going to follow

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<v Speaker 2>the truth wherever it goes. And that's how I ended up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we get everything from the Holocaust, the third

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<v Speaker 2>rank everything. You know, that's certainly not in our interest

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<v Speaker 2>to believe that. We only believe that because it's absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>true our views on those things, and it came from that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if I sometimes I say to myself, let's

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<v Speaker 2>say you had a tenured position at a university, what

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<v Speaker 2>would I have done? Well, I'd be incognitive dissonance because

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't talk like this there, even with tenure. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>have to I'd have to go along again along It

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<v Speaker 2>would be completely and utterly hypocritical, or or I would

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<v Speaker 2>simply you know, like right, like a handful of right

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<v Speaker 2>wingers in academia. You know, they give the the right

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<v Speaker 2>wing reason to despise the third rank. It was they

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<v Speaker 2>were homosexual, or that they were occultist or something not there,

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<v Speaker 2>or financed by by Western capital, which is absolutely garbage,

429
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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff, you know, creating reasons like that to

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<v Speaker 2>reject all the inconvenience stuff. That's probably what I would

431
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<v Speaker 2>have done. But that's also you know, I would have lived.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have been living in a line. And this

433
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<v Speaker 2>is not sour grapes, a little bit of tower. But

434
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<v Speaker 2>I know that I am simply freer than most people

435
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<v Speaker 2>and the question is how many of these academics really

436
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<v Speaker 2>do believe the stuff that they spount. I've said it

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<v Speaker 2>to a few of them, you know, friends of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Later I said, you know, if you were a plumber

439
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.079
<v Speaker 2>rather than an academic, you wouldn't be saying this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So the concept of love would have been completely squashed.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have been an utter hypocrite. I would have

442
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<v Speaker 2>been I would have been frightened that I one day

443
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:57.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna slip. That's no way to live. So I

444
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<v Speaker 2>realized that there was no way I can do it,

445
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<v Speaker 2>and I'm very pleased with that today. Thanks to you

446
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:09.160
<v Speaker 2>and your listeners and everybody else, I know I've made

447
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 2>an impact. But I couldn't have done that in the academy.

448
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Now there's a big difference between an academic and a scholar.

449
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I am a scholar, not an academic. Academics almost like journalists.

450
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a terrible term anymore. But of course I simply

451
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<v Speaker 2>couldn't have been devoted to the truth. Love would have

452
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<v Speaker 2>been completely squashed the entire time. And beyond that, He's

453
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<v Speaker 2>also saying here, when it comes to defending something belonging

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<v Speaker 2>to God, shrine church, your own nation, that those attacking

455
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<v Speaker 2>and destroying those are not your personal enemies. Therefore violence

456
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:03.680
<v Speaker 2>is going to be used against them. And so the

457
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:09.079
<v Speaker 2>rule is you resist evil. You resist evil out of

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<v Speaker 2>love for the good, out of love for all the

459
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 2>people that it perverts, out of love for all the

460
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>people that it destroys. What it can do when it's

461
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:24.200
<v Speaker 2>adopted by a population, we know what it can do. Falsehoods.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the typical, typical educated American lives in an

463
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<v Speaker 2>utter bubble. Although I think that maybe changing very recently,

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<v Speaker 2>but generally speaking, they live in a bubble. Everything they

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<v Speaker 2>believe is wrong. Do your ship will nor mean American.

466
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<v Speaker 2>But I don't do this because you know it's like

467
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:50.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, you don't do this because you despise them.

468
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>You do it because maybe one day some of those

469
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.960
<v Speaker 2>people will come to the truth and we'll just take

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<v Speaker 2>the consequences. You know, it's a lot to ask, but

471
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<v Speaker 2>it's still very possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Resistance to evil is created by love, but not towards

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<v Speaker 1>the animality of man, and not towards his philistine soulfulness,

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<v Speaker 1>but to its spirit. That is a love that can

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<v Speaker 1>love both the soul of man and his entire earthly being.

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<v Speaker 1>But only to the extent only to the extent of

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<v Speaker 1>their spiritual satisfaction for a consciously and unconsciously perceived man,

478
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<v Speaker 1>and measures him by the sacredly spiritual standards of conscience, dignity, honor, sincerity, patriotism,

479
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>and righteousness before God, and therefore invariably turns its negative

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00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:45.519
<v Speaker 1>face towards everything shameless, humiliating, dishonest, false, treacherous, and abominable

481
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>in the struggle against evil. Such a state is love

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<v Speaker 1>with a clear sighted spirit and a world accepting will.

483
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<v Speaker 1>And therefore it sees God's work in God's work in

484
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<v Speaker 1>the world, and actively and creatively sends it forth with

485
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<v Speaker 1>its power.

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<v Speaker 2>And you don't want to turn your struggle against evil

487
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<v Speaker 2>into sin. You know, we're Christian men. I'm a Christian

488
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:13.840
<v Speaker 2>because I think it's true, Because it stands to reason,

489
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<v Speaker 2>there is no blind faith here. Anyone who believes that

490
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<v Speaker 2>anyone's expected to believe blindly is absurd. You know, our theologians,

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<v Speaker 2>going back to the very beginning. I love getting into

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<v Speaker 2>a debate with an atheist who makes an argument that

493
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:35.960
<v Speaker 2>was dealt with in the third century AD. You know,

494
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.400
<v Speaker 2>it's been over and over and over and over again.

495
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:44.519
<v Speaker 2>It's such nonsense here, what do we love? You know,

496
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:49.840
<v Speaker 2>dignity under sincerity, nationalism, righteousness, it's opposite, of course, shameless, humiliating,

497
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:55.039
<v Speaker 2>dishon as false, treacherous. It's the latter people that need

498
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.320
<v Speaker 2>to be converted by varying means, and some of us

499
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:06.119
<v Speaker 2>are in the business of doing just that. And you

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<v Speaker 2>do it, and then you know, physical violence of course,

501
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:15.519
<v Speaker 2>actually for governments, all the ways straight up to execution

502
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.800
<v Speaker 2>is the final, very last thing. That's that's how you

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00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 2>know that there's a certain legitimacy to it. Those of

504
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.400
<v Speaker 2>us who've been forced to use physical violence in the past.

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00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:32.239
<v Speaker 2>When everything else fails, then you have to take physical action.

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<v Speaker 2>But that would only be the case if it was

507
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 2>out of love. If it was out of anything else,

508
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.840
<v Speaker 2>you use physical violence right away. And we've come across

509
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:47.920
<v Speaker 2>this before. States do this, individuals do this, so you

510
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:50.440
<v Speaker 2>know what he bringing it. That's why what he's really

511
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:54.119
<v Speaker 2>bringing down here, that's the standard. And today these standards

512
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>are extremely difficult, especially when it's done the same time

513
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<v Speaker 2>as righteousness. Before God, we're not allowed to turn our

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00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:06.960
<v Speaker 2>backs to evil. We simply aren't allowed to it.

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00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Therefore, what it loves, its object is above all, the

516
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.559
<v Speaker 1>one work of God on earth, and in relation to it,

517
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:23.119
<v Speaker 1>love his whole. Furthermore, its object is the Divine embodied

518
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:26.400
<v Speaker 1>in an earthly shrine, and in relation to it, love

519
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:30.280
<v Speaker 1>takes on the appearance of protective reverence. Further it is

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00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.079
<v Speaker 1>the divine spiritual principle in an oppressed neighbor, and in

521
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>relation to him, love takes on the appearance of benevolent compassion.

522
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:41.920
<v Speaker 1>And finally, it is the spiritual principle perishing in the wicked,

523
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>and in relation to him, love reveals the appearance of

524
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:47.199
<v Speaker 1>pure but stern benevolence.

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<v Speaker 2>Stern benevolence. That's an excellent way to put it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I went back and forth on how to state that,

527
00:36:55.719 --> 00:37:00.519
<v Speaker 2>but that's precisely it. And you know, somebody, let's say

528
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.599
<v Speaker 2>your neighbor, let's say literally your neighbor comes to your

529
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:06.920
<v Speaker 2>door saying, you know, my wife and my husband has

530
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.639
<v Speaker 2>lost it. I need to come in here for a while.

531
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:15.360
<v Speaker 2>And if this person then follows her or him into

532
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 2>your house, well you may have to then take that

533
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:23.119
<v Speaker 2>next step. That would be stern benevolence. It will be

534
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:31.760
<v Speaker 2>fully justified. Now he uses a phrase oppressed neighbor for

535
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 2>the oppressed, you know, so long as they're you know,

536
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:40.639
<v Speaker 2>being oppressed for the proper reason. Not it's not their

537
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:51.199
<v Speaker 2>own fault. It's benevolent compassion, but stern benevolent benevolence for those,

538
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.039
<v Speaker 2>let's say, in our personal lives who are causing that

539
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>we're causing that evil person would have follow you, you know,

540
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.159
<v Speaker 2>come on over, you know, let me add them. You know,

541
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:05.480
<v Speaker 2>you have to take action right there at that point.

542
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:09.639
<v Speaker 2>So it's a very important paragraph.

543
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.880
<v Speaker 1>This is why the entire doctrine that active offensive resistance

544
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:17.039
<v Speaker 1>to evil against the evil doer is contrary to love

545
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>falls short as a harmful moral prejudice. Like every other

546
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:25.239
<v Speaker 1>true form of resistance to evil, coercion or suppression, this

547
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.840
<v Speaker 1>is the work of love itself. If love rejects anything,

548
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.840
<v Speaker 1>it is not coercion as such, nor physical coercion, nor suppression,

549
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:37.039
<v Speaker 1>but malevolence in the struggle against evil, that is malevolent

550
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 1>coercion and malevolent suppression. But active offensive resistance to evil

551
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.360
<v Speaker 1>against the evil do doer desires not evil for others,

552
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 1>but good for the evil doer himself, and therefore it

553
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:51.920
<v Speaker 1>can and must be the work of conquering love.

554
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.360
<v Speaker 2>That's another great phrase conquering love. Usually those those two

555
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:03.199
<v Speaker 2>words aren't used together. There is still I think there's

556
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:08.360
<v Speaker 2>still the prejudice that love refers to outside of its

557
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 2>sexual connotation, that it refers to indulgence. I love somebody,

558
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:18.920
<v Speaker 2>so I'm never going to criticize them. You know, certainly,

559
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.039
<v Speaker 2>physical violence is absolutely very opposite of love, and that's

560
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 2>simply not true. Physical violence, under very specific conditions can

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00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.159
<v Speaker 2>be a manifestation of love, can be a necessary manifestation

562
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>of love. And there are those that say, and in

563
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.360
<v Speaker 2>this in this very book has gone back and forth

564
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:45.280
<v Speaker 2>on the issue, you know, this physical violence. Can physical

565
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:47.679
<v Speaker 2>violence bring out the best in the person who is

566
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.800
<v Speaker 2>being hit, you know, being suppressed so to speak? And

567
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.039
<v Speaker 2>it's very possible. We say sometimes we say to people

568
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.239
<v Speaker 2>that guy needs his ask cap. What do we mean

569
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:06.239
<v Speaker 2>by that? We mean that maybe if that were to happen,

570
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:12.639
<v Speaker 2>he would be shocked into realizing that he's doing the

571
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:17.199
<v Speaker 2>wrong thing and make changes in his life. That would

572
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.079
<v Speaker 2>be an example of conquering love. There's plenty of paths

573
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 2>of us out there who say, oh, that would be impossible.

574
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:26.119
<v Speaker 2>No one's ever been made better by violence, Yes, yes

575
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:30.280
<v Speaker 2>they have. You know, when you're much younger. I have

576
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.079
<v Speaker 2>professors and others just just reaming out for doing the

577
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:39.440
<v Speaker 2>wrong thing, and many times they were right. And it's

578
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:41.920
<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons I'd never want to be young again.

579
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:51.159
<v Speaker 2>But it was necessary. It's done so that and it

580
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:52.599
<v Speaker 2>was done, and I was shocked by this, and I

581
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.639
<v Speaker 2>go back, and then I had to realize that I

582
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:57.239
<v Speaker 2>was wrong and I had to refigure things, but then

583
00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:01.159
<v Speaker 2>punch me out. But in some case, we have plenty

584
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 2>of people, especially in this dying society, where violence is

585
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.320
<v Speaker 2>the only thing that they understand. They understand that in

586
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Nol Salvador, which is why that policy is working there.

587
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.440
<v Speaker 2>This is why the Biden administration condemned it to the

588
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:20.599
<v Speaker 2>point that put sanctions on the country. States of emergency,

589
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:27.519
<v Speaker 2>remove basic some some habeas, corpus principles and stuff like that.

590
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.159
<v Speaker 2>But that's that's it is a state of emergency.

591
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:33.800
<v Speaker 3>It was.

592
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:43.320
<v Speaker 2>So in the sentence. If love rejects anything, it's not core,

593
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.840
<v Speaker 2>it's not violence. There's nothing, you know, there's nothing anti

594
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:50.840
<v Speaker 2>love about violence in and of itself, nor suppression. The

595
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:55.119
<v Speaker 2>only thing it rejects, of course, is its opposite, malevolence.

596
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Especially in the struggle against evil. Sometimes we could use

597
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:04.199
<v Speaker 2>those people sometimes we can't. Now. I love how we

598
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:10.519
<v Speaker 2>makes use of the word twice offensive. We're not reactionaries.

599
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 2>We go for you know, there these are We are nothing,

600
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.039
<v Speaker 2>not in the sense that we're taking offense to something,

601
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>but offensive in the sense that we are preempting something.

602
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:26.039
<v Speaker 2>We're on the offense, not on the defense. That's what

603
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.800
<v Speaker 2>he means by that. But it is a moral prejudice

604
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:34.559
<v Speaker 2>that people still have, and I think legally speaking it's

605
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:43.320
<v Speaker 2>quantitatively physical violence gets privileged above everything else. You could

606
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.559
<v Speaker 2>torture somebody, your wife could torture, or a husband for

607
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.719
<v Speaker 2>thirty years, and nothing could ever happen to the one

608
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.639
<v Speaker 2>that same poor man slaps for once and he's in handcuffs,

609
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.519
<v Speaker 2>and she goes around crying, Oh my god, I can't

610
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:02.920
<v Speaker 2>believe he hit me. The concept of torturing that guy,

611
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:07.079
<v Speaker 2>that's so abstract, would probably take him hours to explain

612
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.800
<v Speaker 2>it all. But all she has to do is that

613
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I was hit once. Things like bruises and broken bones,

614
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:21.039
<v Speaker 2>those are easier to show, But the effects of daily humiliation,

615
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.599
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing, that's that's far more difficult to show.

616
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:29.679
<v Speaker 2>And so physical violence gets gets singled out and I

617
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:33.559
<v Speaker 2>think the legal system, you know, we think we have

618
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:37.280
<v Speaker 2>this even the standard ground doctrine. And I'm going off

619
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:41.119
<v Speaker 2>off track here, but I don't care. You'll be in

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<v Speaker 2>court for years. I was just reading about Bernie Get.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember Bernie Gets in eighty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Bernie Gets. We were just a bunch of

623
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<v Speaker 1>us were just talking about it the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we just talked about him. I was reading more

625
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<v Speaker 2>about him recently and the reactions to him. He had

626
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<v Speaker 2>very few allies, despite the obviousness. Some of those guys

627
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:05.360
<v Speaker 2>actually went out to rob some more after they after

628
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<v Speaker 2>they you know, the guy that we he didn't kill

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<v Speaker 2>him all court, and you know, he was just so

630
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<v Speaker 2>he listened. He listen. He's still alive. He lies an

631
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<v Speaker 2>utter poverty. Today, legitimate self defense will land you in

632
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<v Speaker 2>court for prob me maybe for decades. So even there,

633
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I know that policemen, any white policeman

634
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:39.480
<v Speaker 2>in black areas, are being are not pulling out their weapons.

635
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:42.719
<v Speaker 2>They'd rather be hitting and beaten up instead. And I'm

636
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<v Speaker 2>seeing more and more examples of that coming coming through

637
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.320
<v Speaker 2>because they're terrified of being on the nightly news and

638
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:51.760
<v Speaker 2>they're being protests and and everything else, because then everything

639
00:44:51.760 --> 00:45:01.119
<v Speaker 2>will be rigged after that. So but there has to

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<v Speaker 2>be this kind of stoke. God is in charge in

641
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:06.679
<v Speaker 2>this case. I got to do what it's right, and

642
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter what happens. So even even basic self

643
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:18.559
<v Speaker 2>defense in this country, even if it's obvious, you will

644
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:24.159
<v Speaker 2>be in court for decades and there's still the chance

645
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<v Speaker 2>that you're going to be convicted of murder, even with

646
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:33.119
<v Speaker 2>the standard ground law. And depending on who, depending on

647
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the race, depending on how the media is depicting this,

648
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:41.599
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, it's a terrifying concept. And I guarantee

649
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<v Speaker 2>you that there are people who would rather be robbed

650
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.000
<v Speaker 2>than shoot someone, especially a non white who's invaded their home.

651
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<v Speaker 2>But I know that there are people like that, and

652
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<v Speaker 2>maybe for good reason, because you know, even though it

653
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:01.559
<v Speaker 2>would be the right thing to shoot them, they know

654
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<v Speaker 2>how that's gonna look in the regime's eyes, and they're

655
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<v Speaker 2>gonna be considered evil, just as Bernie Gets was considered evil.

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<v Speaker 2>Bernie Gets today lives in voluntary poverty. I don't know

657
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<v Speaker 2>if you know this, but one of them was paralyzed.

658
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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, no, wait a minute, wait, excuse me.

659
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<v Speaker 2>The families of those who were killed. Yeah, that's it.

660
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<v Speaker 2>Suit him in civil court. And one of them. I

661
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:35.760
<v Speaker 2>don't think he killed them all. I think he did

662
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<v Speaker 2>wound one really really wound him. And he got a

663
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<v Speaker 2>judgment for forty million dollars against him. So no matter

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<v Speaker 2>how justified you might be, even though he was very

665
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<v Speaker 2>popular in New York City at the time, you know,

666
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.960
<v Speaker 2>they could just go to civil court and yeah they

667
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 2>you know it failed in criminal but they just went

668
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 2>to civil court and he could never make any money again.

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<v Speaker 2>He lives in Squalor today as as I as I read.

670
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.800
<v Speaker 2>So it's very hard to get anything from That's the

671
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<v Speaker 2>that's the cost of doing the right thing in a

672
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:25.119
<v Speaker 2>dying society. So what Ellen is talking about here almost

673
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:29.960
<v Speaker 2>assumes a relatively healthy society. You know, Germany was falling fast,

674
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.760
<v Speaker 2>you know at the time, the Soviet Union was at

675
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<v Speaker 2>work trying to destroy what had been a more or

676
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.840
<v Speaker 2>less healthy society. We're dealing with something very different here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget James Fields. I remember because I could

678
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<v Speaker 2>hardly see. I had been hurt so badly at a Charlesville.

679
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I was watching TV and I was holding my eyes

680
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.840
<v Speaker 2>open like this because I couldn't see otherwise. And I

681
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:01.559
<v Speaker 2>saw the initial news reports about James Field. I was

682
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<v Speaker 2>watching them trying to tear his car part, trying to

683
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:09.280
<v Speaker 2>tear his windshield out and everything else. They didn't get

684
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<v Speaker 2>the message as to I don't even think they knew

685
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:19.000
<v Speaker 2>that she that she died, She was not killed. And

686
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.039
<v Speaker 2>guy pointed a pistol rightfule atimale. You found out later

687
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 2>on didn't matter. And if I threatened to burn the

688
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.000
<v Speaker 2>town down unless this guy got what three life sentences

689
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:31.000
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the hell it wants a huge amount of time,

690
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:36.519
<v Speaker 2>even though everything was on video, So even video is

691
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:42.360
<v Speaker 2>going to save you in a dying society. Those people

692
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:46.440
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't even been out. There was a total ban on

693
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.840
<v Speaker 2>protest at that point. They're the ones who removed the

694
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<v Speaker 2>street blocking, you know, all the all the gates blocking

695
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<v Speaker 2>the street. He hit him in such a slow speed

696
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<v Speaker 2>that his airbags didn't even go on. He didn't He

697
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:08.920
<v Speaker 2>wasn't trying to hurt anybody. He was very obvious. And

698
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<v Speaker 2>yet Charlottesville they were well aware what would happen if

699
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<v Speaker 2>they came out with the with the wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Verdict.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you guys could help him in any way,

702
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<v Speaker 2>if there's anyone who needs help. It's him, because the

703
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 2>man has done nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned,

704
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<v Speaker 2>and he was just a normal guy. Is a normal

705
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:37.039
<v Speaker 2>kid trying to get home and and and now he's

706
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:38.519
<v Speaker 2>going to spend the rest of his life in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>And that guy that could be any one of us

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<v Speaker 2>at any time, depending on who's this so called victim.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's very relevant.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>We were the ones. We were there for the truth,

712
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:58.840
<v Speaker 2>loving our people, the people who built this country. These communists,

713
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:02.280
<v Speaker 2>these anarchists, they were there for destruction. It's very clear

714
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<v Speaker 2>who the signs were, and it was it was when

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<v Speaker 2>I first saw the news report. You know, barely could

716
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<v Speaker 2>watch it. They didn't get the memo yet. It was

717
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:18.519
<v Speaker 2>fairly objective at that point. They didn't even see any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of violence. They never said that he smashed into them.

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<v Speaker 2>He never did no such thing. Only later on when

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<v Speaker 2>they built the story did they come up with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he was arrested that day, and the poor

722
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<v Speaker 2>kiddy was in tears and everything. And you could help

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<v Speaker 2>him there in Virginia in any way you can. It

724
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<v Speaker 2>would be very good idea, because the last I've heard,

725
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<v Speaker 2>he's not doing well. Obviously, none of us would be

726
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:48.519
<v Speaker 2>doing well in his position. So so even in this

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<v Speaker 2>dying society, self defense, basic self not necessarily the fight

728
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<v Speaker 2>against evil, an offensive fight against evil, as he says,

729
00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:02.159
<v Speaker 2>but basic self defense, that's not going too that's not

730
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.440
<v Speaker 2>going to it's not going to help. Even if that

731
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.440
<v Speaker 2>guy did use his car as a weapon, he was

732
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<v Speaker 2>a rifle was pointed at him, you know, he didn't.

733
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<v Speaker 2>But you know it's clear right on video they were

734
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<v Speaker 2>trying to get into the car, but none of that,

735
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.280
<v Speaker 2>all that was squashed. You could even have stuff on

736
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 2>video and have it not work. But you know, compared

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<v Speaker 2>to today, Elin is talking about a relatively healthy society.

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<v Speaker 2>The virtue you have to have now to even do

739
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:41.719
<v Speaker 2>the basic right thing is so extraordinary that it's you know,

740
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:44.719
<v Speaker 2>you almost understand why. You know, for people who are

741
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Speaker 2>just ignorant and don't know the truth and don't care,

742
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:56.400
<v Speaker 2>there are days where I envy them, because knowing the

743
00:51:56.440 --> 00:52:03.079
<v Speaker 2>truth and acting on it is is leads to a

744
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 2>very very very difficult life. So I know I went

745
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.599
<v Speaker 2>off this topic, but you but you know how I

746
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:08.039
<v Speaker 2>got there.

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<v Speaker 1>Alrighty leh, Let's wrap this up, start a new chapter

748
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:21.079
<v Speaker 1>next episode. As I do at the end of every episode,

749
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.559
<v Speaker 1>I will remind everybody to go over to the show

750
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:25.840
<v Speaker 1>notes and go over to the descriptions on the video

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<v Speaker 1>donates to doctor Johnson's work, and yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back in a few days.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it.

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00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:36.159
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, doctor Johnson.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you, all right, ma'am.