WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:09.960 Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today, 2 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:12.359 I want to welcome back to the show writer Lee. 3 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:15.919 He is a filmmaker and producer and host of Raised 4 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:21.640 by Giants podcast, which provides a platform for researchers, spiritual teachers, 5 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:26.679 authors and experiencers to come together and communicate their studies, 6 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:32.200 bringing new understandings of life and the universe. Writer, welcome back. 7 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.640 How you doing doing great? 8 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:34.920 Chris? 9 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:36.439 Thanks for having me on. Really appreciate it. 10 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:38.640 Sir, welcome back. It's great to have you. It's been 11 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:41.840 a little while looking forward to this one. We're gonna 12 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:45.320 be talking about you and Jay Widener's latest film, A 13 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:51.000 Clockwork Shining, and this presents the possibility that Stanley Kubrick 14 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:56.479 may have intentionally altered the script from being about Jack 15 00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:00.920 Nicholson and his family acting as caretakers to a haunted 16 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:06.840 hotel to possibly exposing aspects of the CIA MK Ultra 17 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:11.280 mind control program. Now, The Shining was definitely one of 18 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.159 my favorite movies growing up. It still is, and I 19 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:18.079 never really even thought about it remotely in this way. 20 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:20.840 I'm definitely gonna have to go back and watch it 21 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:24.840 again very closely. This is gonna be very interesting. Looking 22 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:28.000 forward to getting your insights into this. It's been a 23 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:30.920 while since you've been on. Remind the audience a little 24 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:33.599 bit about yourself and let them know where they can 25 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.280 find you. 26 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:39.480 You can find me on Raised by Giants, on YouTube 27 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:42.079 and Indian all podcast platforms. You can reach out to 28 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.319 me personally on Twitter x Raised by Giants eight and 29 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:48.640 on Instagram at Raised by a Giants pod. 30 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.000 And yeah, this movie was really. 31 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:54.680 A passion project because, as you know, Chris, this was 32 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:56.519 the first movie that I wanted to do. I wanted 33 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:00.640 to do this one before jfk X, me and Jers 34 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:06.040 first documentary, and we decided to do JFKX first, and 35 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:07.920 which is a good thing because I got to cut 36 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:11.439 my teeth on you know, a different kind of documentary 37 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:12.280 before we did this one. 38 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:13.039 Because this one. 39 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:15.759 Required a lot of a lot more work. I worked 40 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:19.560 on this one for like six months. And it's a 41 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:22.400 really big passion project. And there's so many different theories 42 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:26.439 surrounding the Shining. I mean people have dissected the Shining 43 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:28.360 over and over and over again. I mean you can 44 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:32.280 get on YouTube and just like type in Shining theories 45 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:34.680 and you can watch for hours and hours and hours. 46 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.719 And that was the thing with me was when I 47 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:41.560 was watching it, I was like, what can I find 48 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:47.439 within this movie that people haven't already seen because they've 49 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:52.240 there's theories that that it's all inside Jack's head, that 50 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:55.719 it's all inside Windy's It's a crazy amount of theories. 51 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:59.120 And I'm watching it and I'm seeing all these continuity 52 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.400 rors that a lot of people have already pointed out 53 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:05.759 within the movie. The Shining is probably the one movie 54 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:08.639 that has the most continuity airs out of any other movie, 55 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:11.960 and we show a lot of them in our movie 56 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:15.240 At Clockwork Shining, which is available on Amazon Prime and 57 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:18.479 on Apple TV if you can't get it in the 58 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:22.639 country that you're from, which is only available in the 59 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.199 UK and the United States right now, but if you 60 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:29.520 can get Apple TV you can also watch it. We 61 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:33.000 show a lot of the connuity airs within The Shining 62 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:35.800 in our movie. One of the ones is the sticker 63 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:39.360 disappearing on Danny's door, the carpet changing when Danny stands 64 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:42.960 up in the hallway, a chair disappears behind Jack. Light 65 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:47.759 switches just kind of you know, go missing. There's a 66 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:51.479 light switches underneath the picture before Jack walks into Almon's 67 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:53.680 office in the beginning of the movie. Later on, when 68 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.639 Jack walks into the office to destroy the radio to 69 00:03:56.680 --> 00:04:00.280 prevent Danny and Wendy from leaving the mountain from leaving 70 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.560 the hotel, the light switch was gone. There's another one 71 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:08.599 that there's a light switch underneath the storage room when 72 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.319 Hollerin is giving Wendy and Danny a tour of the 73 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:13.919 hotel and he's like, here is the storage room. And 74 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.839 which we have a thing in our documentary that I 75 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:19.959 don't think anyone has really ever picked up on, is 76 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.079 that Hollerin doesn't really seem like he says storage room. 77 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:27.079 It sounds like he says story room. Now, this is 78 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.920 the story room. And we show that in the documentary, 79 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:34.519 which is really interesting because from that point in the film, 80 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:38.639 the Shining, that's when things really start to pick up 81 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:41.480 and take a really dark turn within the movie. That's 82 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.600 when you know Grady is pretty much telling Jack like 83 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:48.439 that he needs to eliminate Wendy and Danny. Before it 84 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:49.600 was kind of like persuasion. 85 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:51.800 He was kind of like, you know. 86 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:55.560 You need to correct them, so just like I corrected 87 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.040 my two daughters, blah blah. It's a horrible impression, but 88 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:01.680 you get the point, and there's a light switch that's 89 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:04.600 it's either an outlet or a light switch on beside 90 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:07.360 the door, and then later on when Wendy is carrying 91 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:11.480 Jack's body into the storage room, the light switch is gone. 92 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:14.720 And there's a few other ones that I kind of 93 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:18.079 forgot to put in the movie, like in the very beginning, 94 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:23.800 which is the establishing shot of the Overlook Hotel, which 95 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:27.120 was filmed the Timberline Lodge in Oregon, some of the 96 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.639 exterior shots. The rest of it was filmed in England 97 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:34.000 on sets, but the first establishing shot you don't see 98 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:37.480 Amaze in the background, but later on, obviously there's Amaze 99 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:39.800 in the background. So there's so much to this film, 100 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:44.480 and we don't explicitly say it in the movie, but 101 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.639 it seems as if Kubrick is putting in these continuity 102 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:52.319 errors on purpose, because that's been the question for a 103 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:54.759 really long time with these people that have researched the 104 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:56.800 Shining over and over and over again, and it's talked 105 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.199 about all these theories are like why are these continuity 106 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:01.959 eras there? They don't make any sense, especially when it 107 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:05.399 comes to Stanley Kubrick being a perfectionist, and you know, 108 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:09.160 being a master filmmaker and wanting everything to be perfect 109 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.279 within his movies, it seems odd that there would be 110 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:17.360 so many of these continuity errors within the film. And 111 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:20.519 what we kind of propose within the movie at Clockwork 112 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:25.519 Shining is that Kubrick is purposefully putting these continuity errors 113 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:29.079 in there to make the audience question their reality, just 114 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:33.680 as Jack is also questioning his reality within the movie. 115 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:38.680 So it's not only in an experiment. And that's subliminally 116 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.279 because the first watch there, you don't really notice these 117 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.560 continuity errors, but they're hitting you subconsciously. And that's really 118 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:49.360 what we don't explicitly say that, but that's something that 119 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:51.319 the audience needs to put two and two together on 120 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:55.920 while they're watching our movie, while they're watching our documentary. 121 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:57.639 And that's one of the things that I love the 122 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.240 most about Stanley Kubrick is not only that he is 123 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.879 able to you know, not only is he a great 124 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:08.160 filmmaker and tells great stories, well he did tell us 125 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:12.800 great stories. He's been passed away, but that he doesn't 126 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.639 give the entire movie away in the exposition of the movie. 127 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:21.000 That's where a lot of movies ruined. Themselves. Nowadays, they 128 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:25.399 give everything away within the dialogue of the movie, and 129 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:31.000 that leads to no mystery surrounding what you're watching. And 130 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:33.360 that's the opposite of what Stanley Kubrick was trying to 131 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.279 do with really all of his movies. And that's why 132 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:38.920 he avoided doing interviews as well, because he didn't want 133 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.240 to tell the people that were listening exactly what the 134 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:44.560 movie was about. He wanted people to put two and 135 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.399 two together on their own and create their own theories 136 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:51.079 and their own ideas surrounding his working and surrounding the 137 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:51.839 movies that he made. 138 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:57.399 Well, speaking of Stanley Kubrick, you have films like Eyes 139 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:04.680 Wide Shut, a Clockwork Orange, and these are somewhat conspiratorial 140 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:09.480 topics that are covered in these films. And you have 141 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:15.680 discovered some interesting things about Stanley Kubrick himself through research 142 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:20.399 for this film, including possible intelligence ties. Is that right? 143 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:25.480 Yes, we actually did a you know, we didn't go 144 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:28.399 so heavy on Stanley Kubrick. There's a lot of things 145 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:30.759 that we could have put in there that would not 146 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:34.879 have shined a really good light on Stanley Kubrick, but 147 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:36.759 we chose not to really put any A lot of 148 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:39.679 those in there because it's really a lot of speculation 149 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.360 and theorizing when it comes to the types of things 150 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:47.240 that Stanley Kubrick may or may not have been doing 151 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:51.360 behind closed doors. But we do have a document in 152 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.159 the movie at Clockwork Shining where it shows that he 153 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:00.279 is being looked at for some unknown governmental project with 154 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:06.440 four other filmmakers, and in the document it says that 155 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:10.080 Kubrick is being looked at and he's the most promising 156 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:14.200 out of all of these filmmakers. And Kubrick also lived 157 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:18.559 in la for a period of time with his uncle, 158 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:23.480 Martin Prevlaire. And so then we also bring in Lookout 159 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:25.639 Mountain Air Force Base, which I think is a really 160 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.679 important part of the documentary because there used to be 161 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:34.399 a hotel that set on the grounds of where the 162 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.559 Lookout Mountain Air Force Base was. And if people weren't 163 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:41.480 familiar with Lookout Mountain Air Force Base, it was basically 164 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:44.960 a studio. It was a military Air Force studio where 165 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:49.559 they would shoot a lot of films and more films 166 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:52.799 that were ever made in Hollywood up until that point, 167 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:55.799 which is really staggering, a lot of them are classified. 168 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:59.200 People had top secret clearance for the place Marilyn Monroe 169 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:03.600 had top secret clearance, Ronald Reagan, James Stewart, Carrie Grant, 170 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:06.440 a lot of these famous big time actors had top 171 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:08.440 secret clearance, and no one really knows what they were 172 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:12.480 doing up there. And but that is the place where 173 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:21.519 the atomic test footage was shot. That's where, but which 174 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:26.759 was done on models. They weren't actually filming a nuclear 175 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:30.720 bomb dropping and exploding. I mean, people are familiar with that, 176 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:34.480 people who already know about that, but it's just, you know, 177 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:37.519 they don't know where it was filmed in that it 178 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:41.279 was you know, done on little tiny sets and little 179 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:44.039 tiny models, because like, you know, the first thing that 180 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.000 gives that a way that it's not a real atomic 181 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:48.600 bomb is like, how does the camera get destroyed? You know, 182 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:51.840 you're telling me that this atomic bomb destroys an entire 183 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:54.440 house and all the surrounding areas, but it doesn't destroy 184 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:54.919 the camera. 185 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:56.960 That give me a break. 186 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.879 It was all filmed at Lookout Mountain Air Force Studio, 187 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:03.679 but there was a hotel that's set there before the 188 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.159 Air Force brought in and made their military base there, 189 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:12.480 which had a lot of film studios, recording studios, had 190 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:16.200 a nuclear bunker underneath it a helicopter pad. It was 191 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:19.879 like a state of the art military base, and just 192 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:25.360 so happens to be positioned directly on top of Laurel Canyon, 193 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:29.559 which is where all these famous Hollywood people lived in 194 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:30.320 the sixties. 195 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:32.159 But there used to be. 196 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.879 A hotel that's set there that was called Lookout Mountain Hotel, 197 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.480 and we show it in our film how Lookout Mountain 198 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:44.080 Hotel looked very similar to the Overlook Hotel within Stanley 199 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:48.799 Kubrick's to Shining and Lookout Mountain Hotel in Laurel Canyon 200 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:54.159 burnt to the ground, and in the sequel to The Shining, 201 00:11:54.240 --> 00:12:02.159 Doctor Sleep, the Lookout Overlook Hotel well burners of the ground. 202 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.960 So it's like all these coincidences are just kind of 203 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:11.440 like adding up here. And there's so many things that, 204 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:14.039 I mean, there's there's so many theories about what I mean. 205 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:19.759 Jay Weiner basically created the whole you know, idea and 206 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:23.159 the theory that Stanley Kubrick's The Shining was a confession 207 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.120 for faking the moon landing, and he does provide pretty 208 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.320 good evidence for that, with Danny standing up in the 209 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:32.279 hallway the carpet looking like the Apollo eleven launch pad 210 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:35.759 him wearing the Apollo eleven shirt, him going into room 211 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:42.320 two thirty seven, two hundred and thirty seven thousand miles 212 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:45.519 away was what people thought that the was a distance 213 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:47.840 between the Earth and the Moon at that time. 214 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:50.879 So a lot of it makes. 215 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.720 Sense, But when you read it through the lens of 216 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:57.080 the things that we've discovered within the movie, it really 217 00:12:57.159 --> 00:13:00.320 takes a but it doesn't discount the other theory is 218 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.320 that people have had about The Shining, because I think 219 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:08.960 a lot of them are still correct. It's just an experiment. 220 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.759 Stanley Kubrick is running an experiment. He's not only running 221 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:17.399 an experiment while he's making the movie by rewriting the 222 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:20.960 script as he's filming the movie. Nobody would ever do 223 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:26.559 that ever, Like, why would you be rewriting a script 224 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:29.919 while you're shooting the movie. That just causes a lot 225 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:32.159 of problems and a lot of issues. But we theorize 226 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:36.559 and posturized within the movie that you know Kubrick was 227 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:40.399 kind of pushed to take The Shining by WARNERBA. 228 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:42.799 Well, yeah, I was just about to say. You mentioned 229 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.919 in the film that he was kind of forced to 230 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:50.200 do the film, and it was very well known that 231 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:54.279 he did not like Stephen King's work at all. You 232 00:13:54.399 --> 00:14:00.279 also mention how the first script he submitted was approved, 233 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:04.519 but then he completely altered the entire thing as the 234 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:07.679 film was being made. 235 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:12.600 Yeah, and that's a really big point that we make 236 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:16.080 in the movie because Warner Brothers had had a really 237 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.519 successful movie with The Actressist and William Freaking, which The 238 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.080 Actressist is based off of the book and supposedly off 239 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:27.519 of a true story, though that story has been debunked. 240 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:30.399 That true story has been debunked several times. The person 241 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.679 that was involved the movie was supposed to be about 242 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.879 never even existed, so it's like the entire thing was 243 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.320 just concocted in like a huge fabrication. But regardless, William 244 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:46.639 Freaking directed the movie The Extrecist and it was a 245 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.600 smash success. It was a really big success, and Warner 246 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:52.559 Brothers was kind of like, hey, you know, we have this. 247 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:57.039 You know, we have a pre published copy of Stephen 248 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.919 King's The Shining you know, why don't you take that 249 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:02.799 and you consider it doing it for your next film. 250 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:05.360 Because he had just come off of Barry Lindon and 251 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:08.559 Barry Linden lost a lot of money. It did not 252 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:12.320 do well in theaters. It was not a critical success 253 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:16.000 or an audience success, so they kind of Warner Brothers 254 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:19.519 was kind of like, here, read this and see you know, 255 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:22.440 kind of I don't think, really telling him that he 256 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:24.000 has to do it, but kind of pushing him in 257 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.720 that direction, because that's kind of how you know people do. 258 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:29.120 They'll just kind of plan on a seed and be like, here, 259 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:34.440 do this and go in this direction. And so he 260 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:40.720 we theorized that it's highly likely that q Break wrote. 261 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:42.559 A script for Warner Brothers that. 262 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:45.679 Was completely different than the script that he was wanting 263 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:49.360 to do, because he inevitably rewrote it, and that original 264 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:53.639 script was more a keen to Stephen King's book The 265 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:57.240 Shining with all the paranormal aspects of The Shining, and 266 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:59.480 that's a big reason why Stephen King did not like it. 267 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:02.399 But he didn't not see the things that we've seen 268 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.159 and what this documentary is about, so he doesn't really 269 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.320 understand it. And I feel like that if he did 270 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:11.600 understand it, he would have a change of attitude, which 271 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:14.559 he has kind of changed his perspective over the years, 272 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:18.080 probably because Warner Brothers ended up giving him a large 273 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.279 amount of money to shut up about it. Because all 274 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:24.320 he was doing was trashing it. He was like, you know, 275 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:28.000 the only thing I liked about Stanley Kubrick's The Shining 276 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:29.559 was Jack Nicholson's performance. 277 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:30.559 The rest of it was garb. 278 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.320 He's just not a direct quote, but that's just the 279 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.159 way that he, you know, would talk about The Shining 280 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.399 and interviews and Warner Brothers is kind of like, yo, 281 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:41.799 you can't be you know, trash talk in our movie 282 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.159 like you're doing. And so that was probably influence for 283 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:50.919 Qubrick to change the script because it's been talked about 284 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:55.480 how Kubrick didn't he was so sort of an atheist 285 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.960 and he didn't really actually believe in the supernatural or 286 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:01.799 believe in the paranoid. No, so it makes more sense 287 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:03.879 that he wanted to make things realistic. And we do 288 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.920 know that about Kubrick, that he wanted his sets and 289 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:09.079 the actors and the things that he was doing a 290 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:13.440 movie on to be hyper realistic. All the props that 291 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.160 he would use in his movies weren't actually props. They 292 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:21.160 were like real products. There were everything in the storage 293 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:25.039 room in The Shining was all like real food. And 294 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:30.759 so I think that that and there's so many other 295 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:32.920 things that we point out within the movie, like Catcher 296 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:36.680 and the Rye, Wendy is the first time we meet 297 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:40.240 Wendy and Danny in the movie, she's reading a book 298 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.880 by an intelligence officer named Ketcher in the Rye. The 299 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:45.480 Catcher and the Rye has been reported to be a 300 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:54.240 mind control Manchurian candidate MK ultra trigger for assassinations. Mark 301 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:58.880 David Chapman John Hinckley were both it was both found 302 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:01.519 on the scene those two your assassinations that happen within 303 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:04.839 a year of the release of The Shining, which was 304 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:10.519 John Lennon and the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. And 305 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:16.079 then when you look at because Jack is really it 306 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:19.240 seems like that he's like going into the he's spiraling 307 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:22.240 and into these you know, types of delusions. But whenever 308 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:26.319 you re whenever you watch The Shining again, and we 309 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:30.079 put it in the documentary when the first ten minutes 310 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:35.240 of The Shining between Olmen, Bill Watson and Jack Torrence 311 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:40.200 within The Shining really kind of give away the entire 312 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:43.440 plot of the movie between that interaction there, and a 313 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:45.400 lot of people think that that's the most like boring 314 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.440 part of the movie, but they're they're telling you that 315 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:52.000 exactly what's going to happen, I mean Almand, which Alman 316 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:57.480 looks identical to JFK in the movie, which, excuse me, 317 00:18:57.519 --> 00:18:59.880 I don't think was an accident. I think Stanley cu 318 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:06.400 purposefully made him look like JFK. And the thing is 319 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:10.160 that Olman is mentioning to Jack like, this isn't a 320 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:14.559 physically demanding job. This is more of a psychological job 321 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:17.440 because of the isolation, and a lot of people can't 322 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:20.680 handle the isolation up here at the overlook during the 323 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.119 winter season. And then he goes on to tell him 324 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:28.480 about Charles Grady. And which is a really interesting thing 325 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:30.000 that was just brought up on a show that I 326 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:36.079 was doing previously, is that Charles Grady's name changes within 327 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:40.319 the movie. First it's Charles Grady when Ollman is talking 328 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:43.480 about it, but then when Jack and Grady are talking 329 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:49.559 in the bathroom, his name is Delbert Grady. So very 330 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:53.640 interesting there something that I didn't really catch another Mark 331 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:56.400 Mark Dovlin. We just did an interview with Mark Devlin 332 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.720 the other day, me and Jay Wiener, and Mark brought 333 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:01.799 that up up, which I thought was really interesting. Maybe 334 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.599 his full name is Charles Delbert Grady and then they 335 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:08.519 just but they didn't say Charles Brady, but Olman says 336 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:12.319 Charles Grady. Later on, he's referred to as Delbert Grady. 337 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:14.799 It's just a really interesting thing that I don't think 338 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:17.519 that a lot of people really notice while. 339 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:21.400 We're on some of the strange symbolism in the film 340 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:25.599 that may indicate that Kubrick is signaling to a mind 341 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:30.519 control program. What else did you guys show in the 342 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:32.599 film that may point to this. 343 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:36.839 Well, there are several things that I saw that no 344 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.880 one has ever seen before and has never talked about. 345 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:40.880 Like when. 346 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:44.359 Jack is in the Gold Room for the second time 347 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:48.720 and he's talking to Lloyd, the bartender, and there's that 348 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:51.759 party that's going on there with all the people. Whenever 349 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:56.359 Jack gets up and he turns around before Grady spills 350 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:59.559 the alcohol on Jack. There's a lady that walks past. 351 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:02.200 It looks like she has a bloody handprint on her ass. 352 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:04.480 Now people have disputed this and said that it's not 353 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:07.200 really a bloody handprint, but it looks like a bloody handprint. 354 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:09.319 So regardless if it's a part of the dress or 355 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:10.720 not a part of the dress, it looks like a 356 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:13.920 bloody handprint. Okay, so give me a break. So she's 357 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:18.640 actually the person that bumps in to Grady that makes 358 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:24.759 him spill the alcohol on Jack. Another thing that we 359 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:28.039 seen was the first time that they were in the 360 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:31.680 Gold Room when Olmen is giving a tour to Danny 361 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:37.440 and not Danny, Jack and Wendy you know, around the 362 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:39.880 overlook and they walk into the Gold Room. On the 363 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:45.319 very back wall, there's a there's a Nazi swastika that's 364 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:51.960 in the that's like kind of like blended into the 365 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:55.279 back wall that no one has ever seen, which then 366 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:59.640 correlates to what others have already pointed out about the shining, 367 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:05.720 which is at the very end of the movie, when 368 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:09.400 the far away picture fades to the close up picture 369 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:11.279 of Jack, there's first blis second you can see a 370 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:15.279 tiny little Hitler mustache on Jack's face, and also Jack 371 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:20.000 is typing on a German typewriter. So there's a lot 372 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:24.200 of you know, because with Project paper Clip in the 373 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:28.480 German Nazis coming over into the United States and basically 374 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:31.880 forming NASA and like all these other and basically taking 375 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:35.440 the you know, experiments from the United States and then 376 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:38.359 putting them, i mean from Germany and putting them into 377 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:42.400 to the United States. Germany was among the first group 378 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.000 of people that were trying to, you know, figure out 379 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:45.599 mind control. 380 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:49.000 So all of that kind of adds up. 381 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:54.160 And then there's also not something that I seen, but 382 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:57.960 that somebody else seem but they interpreted it wrong. Whenever 383 00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:03.720 Danny first sees the twins in the movie, there's a 384 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:06.160 poster on the wall on the left hand side, and 385 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:10.640 if you zoom in, underneath the poster says the word Monarch. 386 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:16.079 And again I wasn't the first person to notice the poster, 387 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:20.960 but everybody that has noticed it before relates it to 388 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:27.240 Monarch Mountain in Colorado. They relate it to this minotaur, 389 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:31.759 this quebriic stare none of them have ever mentioned before 390 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:37.279 Monarch MK ultra mind control, which we have Kathy O'Brien, 391 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.799 one of the probably the most credible survivor of Monarch 392 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:46.039 MK ultra mind control in the movie, and she talks 393 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:48.519 about her experiences. So when you add all of these 394 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:53.200 things together with the psychic driving that is going on 395 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:57.079 with Jack, Jack has been made to you know. 396 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.240 He thinks, well, Wendy thinks that he's. 397 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:05.759 You know, writing a novel this entire time, but he's 398 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:07.440 really not writing a novel. It's one of the most 399 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.079 famous scenes in the movie when Wendy comes into the 400 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:16.079 lobbying and is looking through Jack's all of his you know, 401 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:18.400