Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to what promises to be a
very fun, very stimulating conversation because we are going to
determine who the IMDb MVP is. I'm Jeff Johnson from
a Film by podcast and joining the debate I've got
I'met and Michael from the Famous and Gravy podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello, gentlemen, Hello, Hello, good to be here.
Speaker 1: And squaring off against the Famous and Gravy podcast these
Surely you can't be serious podcast?
Speaker 3: Jason and d Hello, gentlemen.
Speaker 4: Hey Jeff, how are you doing? Buddy doing great? What's
going on?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: We're ready for this time to rumble.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize it was so confrontations. I thought this
was a Friday Brother.
Speaker 6: Would you guys be coolf with pause and saying the
national anthem so as you get the tears out ahead
of time.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Actually, I think we should pause and talk about how
did this episode come to be?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this kind of was birthed from our show,
Famous and Gravy. The description we've been using lately is
life Lessons from Dead Celebrities. So on every episode, we
choose somebody who died recently and we go through a
series of categories and answer the question would you want
that life? The idea is it's sort of an alt
biography in some ways. And we did an episode a
few months back on Bill Paxton. And when I was
doing the research on Bill Paxton, I was going through
his IMDb and I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Was just like, man, movie after movie after movie.
Speaker 6: I was like, you know, if you were on a
desert island and you could choose one person whose IMDb
catalog you could have the entirety of. And I made
a case that it should be Bill Paxton, and I
kind of wanted somebody to challenge that, and then I
guess a little while later, we connected with the guys
from Shirley Can't Be Serious Jason and b and I
think something and in that conversation sparked there and You're like,
maybe we should do an episode on this.
Speaker 2: What's your memory of it? Jason?
Speaker 4: That's about right.
Speaker 7: We hooked up and we started talking about that a
little bit, and we thought that was a great idea,
and so here we are today.
Speaker 1: We got an idea of what the Famous and Gravy
podcast is all about. Now, but what's the Shirley you
Can't Be Serious podcast all about?
Speaker 4: We typically take two albums or movies from the eighties
or nineties and compare those. We typically pick monolithic albums
and movies, but sometimes we pick some stinkers and we say,
what the heck happened? And then part of what we
did last year was best year of the eighties, And
that's kind of the marriage of Mike's idea and what
we'd done in the past was taking something like this,
taking actors and their catalog of work, and say who's
the best?
Speaker 1: As for myself over on a film by podcast, we
like to discuss some of Hollywood's best directors, but specifically
their underrated hits and what we love about them. In
the meantime, we've had some fun with some limited series
that both Jason Andy have been involved in in the past,
so we got a nice little pedigree of film and
entertainment podcasting going on here, guys, shall we begin.
Speaker 7: Let's do this, man, Let's do it all right.
Speaker 1: So let's go to our first category, box office and
quantity of roles.
Speaker 3: Jason, let's start with you. Who are you representing?
Speaker 4: Samuel L.
Speaker 7: Jackson, the big MF for himself and you.
Speaker 2: Will know my name is the law. When I lay
my vengeance upon.
Speaker 7: The I feel kind of bad starting off with box office,
so I'm gonna go ahead do IMDb credits first. So
he's had one hundred and eighty IMDb credits. That's solid, right,
that's good as far as box office numbers go.
Speaker 4: Samuel L.
Speaker 7: Jackson is number one for his catalog at the box office,
and I show it somewhere around twenty eight billion dollars.
I hate to spike the football and everybody coming out
of the gate, but top that suckers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll tell you for the listeners and for
the listeners of a film by podcast, I thought, when
I add like one little nugget, one little factoid about
these performers, So Jason, you may be interested to know
that Samuel Jackson happens to collect action figures, specifically only
of figures of characters that he's played.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure he has.
Speaker 1: Plenty of Shaft and Frozene and Mace Windu figures, maybe
a couple Jewels.
Speaker 3: Winfield's in there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm at let's talk about who you're representing
with this first category.
Speaker 3: Who are we talking about?
Speaker 5: I'm representing Fred Willard. Fred Willard. The reason I'm doing
that is. We did an episode on Fred Willard. It
was our episode fifty nine entitled Best in Show. So
is during that episode that I realized how prolific he
is and how many movies he has parts in.
Speaker 2: Regardless of the size of the part.
Speaker 8: I can lick any rare end problem you can bring me.
In fact, I do a lot of celebrities too. Just
last week I reamed out Roger Moore. He was totally satisfied.
Matter of fact, he's coming back next weekend for a
complete rear end job.
Speaker 5: We did a lot of research and a lot of
work on him, and I was wowed by the breadth
of his appearances and his IMDb.
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm backing him.
Speaker 1: I got to say, when I first heard this lineup,
I heard the name Fred Willard. Excuse me, but Fred Willard.
Then I saw his IMDb and was kind of wowed.
You know, this guy knows what he's doing. I'm going
to talk to us. What do we know about his
box office and quantity of roles.
Speaker 5: I'm tob entries is at three hundred and seventeen. That's
versus what did you say for Samuel one eight?
Speaker 1: I said was substantial? So Fred Willard, we've shared.
Speaker 5: That by one hundred and thirty seven leaps and bounds. Yes,
the actual amount of roles is over seven hundred. Many
of those credits are for a series in which he
appeared multiple times, and I challenge anyone to beat that.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to go uncontested. I'll tell you
one thing I love about Fred Willard. I'm from Ohio.
Fred Willard grew up just north to me in a
little city called Shaker Heights. Turns out he was doing
that at the same time another famous actor was doing it,
talking about Paul Newman.
Speaker 3: So that's some pride for that neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is huge.
Speaker 4: Fred Willard and Paul Newman could have been on the
same Little league team.
Speaker 6: There's another little bit of Fred Willard trivia that I
think really relates to your show.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm talking about? Dan Jason No
hit me.
Speaker 6: Originally cast as the role of striker in Airplane WHOA
and the role he was the one who would have
said the words surely you can't be serious. Yeah, he
was that close and he ended up not getting that.
Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, how about that. That's great?
Speaker 2: And then his wife said, actually, it would have been it.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't have been as funny, which I thought it was the.
Speaker 2: Perfect way to deal with regress. That's love and support. Beautiful.
Speaker 5: So you haven't hit me on box office? Do I
even play anymore?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 5: It just over after Jason to so I I think
I'm at about a tenth of years a two point
three billion in worldwide box office.
Speaker 2: It's not bad, No, it's not bad. It's just outside
the top thousand.
Speaker 5: That is GDP of several countries.
Speaker 1: He's best in Sam Jackson in roles, but he's coming
up short on the box office.
Speaker 3: D Welcome to the game, sir, hellolo, who are you representing?
Speaker 4: All right? My IMDb MVP is the infamous, the amazing,
the unparalleled, Gary Oldman, Benny, bring me everyone? What do
you mean?
Speaker 7: Every one?
Speaker 4: Pausing for applause, Thank you guys.
Speaker 9: All right.
Speaker 4: His box office at this point is eleven billion dollars,
which puts him in the top thirty for all of
the actors in Hollywood. IMDb has his roles at one
hundred and six. We talked a little bit before the
show that that can include shorts and video games and
music videos and such, but obviously most of these are
major roles, mostly in movies and then some TV series.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Deean. A fun fact for those listening
about Gary Oldman. Gary Oldman is actually a very accomplished
musician and has often stated he would rather be a
musician than an actor. Fun fact about him. While on
the set of the Harry Potter films, he taught Daniel
Radcliffe how to play bass guitar.
Speaker 4: It's fantastic, that's cool. In my biography research on him,
I saw that he actually gave music to pursue acting
when he saw Malcolm McDowell's performance in The Raging Moon.
How about that?
Speaker 1: We got one more competing for the IMDb MVP, Michael,
who is your choice?
Speaker 2: Call me lazy?
Speaker 6: I went ahead, and since this whole ideal was aspired
from Bill Paxton, I'm arguing for Bill Paxton.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna plant my flag in the ground there.
Speaker 6: I had expected his box office to be a little
better than it is.
Speaker 2: It's not bad.
Speaker 6: It's a very respectable four billion, eight hundred million, which
puts him somewhere around one hundred and thirty six in
the global ranking. I had expected it to be better
because of his association with James Cameron films, which you
know have consistently performed extremely Well.
Speaker 2: That's it. Man, game over, Man, game over?
Speaker 6: What are we going to do? I guess I want
to make the case here while we're on this category
that money.
Speaker 2: Is not everything. It's also about you do with those roles.
Speaker 6: And I think that there is a per movie calculation
worth doing here. Because Bill Paxson was in He's credited
with about ninety nine different parts, most of those are TV.
I actually don't know the exact number for movie, but
I think if you were to take just a box
office movie and then divide it by the number of movies,
and I think there might be a case there that
the per movie gross is strong.
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure i'm making that.
Speaker 4: I would really feel sorry for Fred Willard if that
was our met Yes.
Speaker 6: Each of your movies is worth about three dollars, so
that's all you got. Yeah, So that's my case, Bill Paxon,
I'm here to represent him.
Speaker 1: This is a fantastic lineup of actors that we're discussing today.
I can't wait to see how this is going to
shake out. So let's get into another category that might
shed a little more light on how accomplished these actors
are talking about our second category, genre diversity. You know,
when an actor looks at a script and he looks
at his options, I mean he's got action, sci fi, thrillers,
horror films, romance, westerns, dramas, comedies, sports, themed movies, action.
Speaker 3: Adventures, mysteries.
Speaker 1: There's so many genres and subgenres to choose from. So
let's talk about this genre diversity of these four guys,
starting with Samuel L. Jackson, Jason.
Speaker 7: All right, Samuel L. Jackson's diversity I think is excellent.
So you want action movies, We've got Diehard three. We've
got Patriot Games. We've got The Long Kiss good Night.
We've got the Kingsman movies. You want westerns, We've got
Django and Chain. We've got The Hateful Eight. You want romance,
how about Out of Sight, Jungle Fever?
Speaker 4: Sci Fi?
Speaker 7: We've got Sphear Jumper, all the Star Wars prequels, The
d Loves so Much. You want horror movies, We've got
The Exorcist Part three.
Speaker 4: We've got fourteen and oh eight.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you could count Deep Blue Sea
thrillers We've got, of course, Jackie Brown, pulp fiction, See
of Love. You know, crime movies, you got dru Romance,
Good Fellas, Juice, Shaft comedies, I mean Coming to America,
Loaded Weapon one drama.
Speaker 4: I mean, you've got to do the right thing.
Speaker 7: One of the best movies of nineteen eighty nine, which
I spiked the football on on our previous episode, Menace
to Society, Time to Kill the John Grisham thriller so good.
You want family movies, You've got The Incredibles, which I
said was the best movie since the year two thousand.
Speaker 4: I love that movie. Adventure. We have snakes on a plane.
We've got Jurassic Park.
Speaker 7: We've got I mean in the fantasy realm, you've got
all the Marvel movies, the MCU, You've got the Kong
you know, the Monster Universe there with the King Kong movies,
Captain America, Iron Man, Avengers, Spider Man, and then of
course you've got the Unbreakable movies. He's got it all covered,
except maybe the musical or maybe a mystery.
Speaker 4: He's covered it all.
Speaker 7: Guys. I don't know how gonna how you guys going
to do, but there you go.
Speaker 6: But quality is factoring into some of this, right, These
are like not unnecessarily good movies.
Speaker 7: Well, we're talking genre diversity.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna hold up.
Speaker 2: Okay, this category included.
Speaker 4: Both quality and diversity, not just diversities. So talk about
the quality, my friend, where are we at with us?
Speaker 7: You want quality? Yeah, Jurassic Park, how's that? How about
pulled fiction? How about Coming to Them? How about The
Incredibles do the right Thing out of Sight? Those are
all great movies.
Speaker 4: I noticed that you didn't say the Clone Wars or
Snakes on a Plane when we got into quality. I
wonder that happened.
Speaker 6: I just want to talk about what an MVP is exactly,
somebody who performs consistently at a level of high excellence.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm let's talk Fred Willard here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna ask you to think about genre in
a different way here. So let's let's just talk about Brett.
We have credits going all the way back to the
sixties up and through year of death, which is twenty two.
So if we're going to really count that, that's going
to be seven different decades. I'm not that concerned about
genre as you talk about it. Between horror, family action,
that's futile.
Speaker 2: I am on a desert island.
Speaker 5: The last thing I want to do is be reminded
of horror, action adventure people in peril. I just want
to smile, laugh, giggle, and have a little hope. Your
diversities and genres you can keep them. I'm just not
interested in playing that contest. We do win comedy outright,
and what we have is subgenres within comedy, family friendly.
We have Pixar with Wally. We have rock and roll,
which might be music. Jason said, hey, lacked a musical,
we have one in spinal Tap. Then we can take
another musical and waiting for Gufman. We can take action
adventure in Austin, Powers to the Spy Who Shagged Me?
Traditional comedy. In American wedding, you can get action adventure, mystery,
Harold and Kumar go to White Castle. We have media
and journalism in the Anchorman.
Speaker 2: The journalism genre, the journalism genre.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we really really dominate the subcategories. We're only
concerned with the lighthearted and comedy, but we got it
all underneath there.
Speaker 3: I'm at your debate.
Speaker 1: There was built upon extremely thin ice, but you, sir,
are very light on your feet.
Speaker 3: So my compliments to you.
Speaker 7: He didn't even mention maybe the sweetest movie of the
nineteen eighties Roxanne rox Anne.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, it is there. He played the mayor in Roxanne.
Speaker 8: I would like to say that I would rather be
with the people of this town then with the finest
people in the world.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought Jason was going to drop a different nineteen
eighties film on us, but I will reserve that title
because I want to see where Ahmed takes it. So,
d let's discuss the quality and genre diversity of Gary Oben.
Speaker 4: So this category, we're talking about the quality of the movies,
and that's a difficult thing. I mean, everything is subjective,
but they do at least give us some ammunition. When
we look at IMDb, and if you look at IMDb,
Dary Oldman has forty five movies that rank seven point
zero or higher. Those that rank lower than five, he
only has eight. And I can't think that he's responsible
for that on any of those eight movies out of
his one hundred and six. Now, if you want to
talk about his diversity, I think that he unquestionably wins
this category. He's got family movies, he's got fantasy movies,
he's got horror, he's got music, he's got thrillers. He's
got fifteen talk show movies. He's got two musicals which
beat Samuel Jackson. And he's even got a game show movie.
Let's talk action adventure. You've got Dark Knight Trilogy. Let's
talk fantasy. You've got the Harry Potter movies. Let's talk animation.
He has got Kung Fu Panda, he has got quests
for Camelot. He's even got in video games Call of Duty.
He has had thirty eight comedy movies. I could not
find where he was in any of them with Fred
Willard don't.
Speaker 2: I can't think of it.
Speaker 4: He's got thirty eight comedy movies. And that is just
naming a few of the multiple categories he's in. I
didn't even bring up history, which he's been OSCAR nominated for.
Speaker 1: And one I will say, you know anyone that can
play Sid Vicious, Dracula, Winston Churchill and a low life pimp, you.
Speaker 7: Have to see more?
Speaker 2: You got?
Speaker 7: You got everything here from a Jo Danano.
Speaker 3: I don't know that that person exists.
Speaker 1: So Michael, let's talk about Bill Paxton and his genre
diversity and the quality of roles he's had.
Speaker 6: Before I begin I think it's important to call out
what we're actually doing.
Speaker 2: We are sitting on a desert island.
Speaker 6: I'm picturing something from like a far side cartoon where
there's a little bit of sand, a palm tree, and
a DVD player with a screen, and that's about it, right,
And so what we want here is to kill time,
and to me that speaks to rewatchability.
Speaker 2: It also means that.
Speaker 6: I don't want to be fatigued by seeing the same
face over and over, even though obviously whatever catalog you
choose here, we're going to be seeing this person again
and again.
Speaker 2: But there's a question.
Speaker 6: About one whether or not they are dominating the screen,
and whether or not you just get tired of seeing
their face over and over. And there's a question about
how many times can I just watch this movie just
sometimes on in the background, Sometimes I'm locked in on it.
Sometimes I'm just listening to the soundtrack. If that is
the thought experiment we're having, I think Bill Paxton is
a slam dunk. If Jason won the first category with
the box office smash, Bill Paxton has it all. And
not only does he have it all, he has excellence
with it all. So if you want action and adventure,
you've got Predator to Twister, Commando, Navy Seals. If you
want science fiction, I mean Terminator and Aliens. If we're
going after horror, there are a ton of cult classics.
Near Dark, there's a Tales from the Crypt episode. If
you're looking for a thriller, you have a simple plan.
If you want romance, and let's not forget again, we're
on a desert island staring at the ocean, you have Titanic.
What more could you want than an island? If you're
watching Titanic, If you want westerns, you've got Tombstone. If
you want drama, you've got Apollo thirteen, Next of Ken.
And if you're after comedy, weird science stripes and club
dread sports, we have Million Dollar arm And for family friendly,
there is Mighty Joe Young and maybe Big Love is
family friendly. It's not family friendly, but it's at least
family oriented. I could watch all of these movies over
and over again. And sometimes Bill Paxton is front and
center and he's munching up the screen and totally chewing
it up. Other Times he's kind of hanging in the
background and he's giving other people the stage and elevating
the experience. If you are on a desert island killing time,
waiting for the rescue, then what you really want is
to escape.
Speaker 2: You want to be taken somewhere else.
Speaker 6: All of these movies transport you back in time, into
outer space, way into outer space.
Speaker 2: Anywhere you want to go, you get to go with
Bill Paxton.
Speaker 3: You know, you gave me a different way to look
at this category.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, maybe I don't want to watch Bill Paxton,
but I do want to see a great Arnold film,
and maybe I want to watch Command, or maybe I
just want to hear, you know, just some background music
and a you know, I want to put Twister on
because it's got a great soundtrack. So I'm looking at
this category a little bit differently now, And uh, that's
because of your argument for Bill Paxton.
Speaker 3: So thank you for that. You're welcome, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to a category that I absolutely always
have a lot of fun with. This category is called
wild card. This is your opportunity to talk anything you
want about your MVP candidate's background, filmography, whatever it could be.
Anything goes here. Jason shaum Hout's done with mister Samuel L.
Jackson for my wild card.
Speaker 7: I'm just going to pull out a few things that
I think add a little bit to the name Samuel L.
Speaker 4: Jackson. Okay, now we know that he is one.
Speaker 7: Of the actors who is known for weaving the tapestry
of obscenities throughout his movies.
Speaker 2: Right with these monif snakes on this monif why it
looked like a couple of dorks.
Speaker 4: Ha your clothes, mother, How does it work? You know
how to shoot a gun? Look, all brothers don't know
how to shoot guns.
Speaker 2: You're racist, mother. It didn't work, but I.
Speaker 7: Was still alive, mondal But actually, come to find out,
he is only sworn on screen three hundred and one times,
which sounds like a lot, except that's only six point
nine times for every thousand words. It surprised me to
find out that both Jonahill and Leonardo DiCaprio rank much
higher on the swear words than that. But he is
the guy who made the big MF or bomb cool
to say, right, and in fact, it is an anchor
word for when he was a young man, he used
swearing as a stop to his stutter. So when he
was a young boy, he had a hard stutter. He
actually had an aunt who lived in the house with him,
who was a school teacher and actually in charge of
the performing arts at her school, and so from a
young age he would be pulled into these plays. You know,
he's three, four or five years old, but that's okay,
we need a little kid for our play. We had
a bad stutter, and the way he combatd that was
learned to swear, So I thought that was pretty interesting.
The other thing I wanted to bring up that I
had no idea about. He was a stand in for
Bill Cosby on The Cosby Show. So he stood there
in these colorful sweaters as like, you know the guy
who you know you see Bill Cosby's back, but you
know Bill Cosby is having a coke in the other room.
Speaker 4: So that was Samuel L. Jackson.
Speaker 7: But the main thing I wanted to bring up, though,
is the franchises that this guy is associated with. Okay,
I just don't know how any actor I've ever heard
of could be involved in so many successful franchises. He
is involved in the Star Wars Universe, the MCU, the Incredibles,
the Triple X franchise, the Monster Verse. Shaft is now
a franchise. He's involved in the Jurassic Park franchise, the
Kingsman franchise. Unbreakable is now a franchise, the Redo of
RoboCop and die Hard.
Speaker 4: That's pretty impressive.
Speaker 7: He's also the coolest guy in the Star Wars universe
because he's the only dude who has a purple lightsaber.
And on a personal level, this dude was an usher
at Martin Luther King's funeral. The dude is the coolest
guy in Hollywood. I'm spiking the football. The cool factor
is off the chart.
Speaker 1: A wild card that promotes the use of profanity to
cure speech impediments. Mother, I'm at let's discuss Fred Willard's
wild card.
Speaker 5: All right, I'm gonna start with my favorite and the
big one. He was and is the only human act
to have appeared in a Pixar movie when he appeared
in Wally in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: Whooh, that's right. In his obituary.
Speaker 5: You know, on our show we deconstruct the first line
of an obituary and rank it. They use the word
scene stealer in the first line of his obituary. So
in these three hundred and seventeen credits, that we have
this very large stacks of DVDs on our desert island.
We know that we can wait for the Fred Willard
moment in each movie and see the scene being stolen away.
So there's a bit of a hunt and anticipation in
each of these movies in the watching experience, and that
in alone, I think is entertainment on top of entertainment. Secondly,
the style of acting that Fred Willard really really made
famous was this improvisational comedy that Christopher Guest is best
known for in Fred Willard being his top lieutenant in it.
So we saw that in Spinal Tap waiting for Guffman,
Best in Show Mighty Wind Mascots that was actually a
little known that tactic was used in Anchorman, and Fred Willard,
playing the station manager in Anchorman was kind of a
coach on set to everyone on how to just kind
of go with the flow and improfit your comedic lines.
And lastly, I think, compared to the other three candidates here,
Fred Willard has an extensive catalog of TV appearances. So
not only do we get these movies, but if we
are sitting on our desert island, we will get not
only the entirety of Everybody Loves Raymond, but also Modern Family,
Bold and the Beautiful Huge Wildcard. He actually won a
Daytime Emmy for it. You'll also get I Think You
Should Leave. You'll get Drunk History. You'll get Saturday Night Live,
which he hosted in nineteen seventy nine. You'll get Family Guy,
You'll get Roseanne, you'll get the Simpsons, You'll get The
Love Boat, Fame, Golden Girls. There's pretty much not a
sitcom you can name around the eighties or nineties that
he did not have an appearance in.
Speaker 7: He just laid down the Ace, the Love Boat series, Yes.
Speaker 2: And Thinking of the Ace.
Speaker 5: The Ace Trucking Company was Fred Willard's improv troop, which
made over fifty appearances on The Tie show Not Right
It impressively.
Speaker 1: De always holds his cards close to his chest. Do
are you ready to play a wild card on behalf
of Gary Olben?
Speaker 4: Yes, Moderator, I believe this is where I pull ahead
of the pack and leave everyone else behind. I could
not have asked for a better setup than Mike gave
in our last category. You didn't want a leading man
as your actor because you'd get tired of seeing that
same guy over and over. Again. Tom Hanks has a
lot of great movies. He is a great actor. But
if you've got the rest of your life with only
watching Tom Hanks movies, you're going to get tired of him. Right,
So I want you to think about something for just
a second. Think about Fred Willard's voice. You got it.
Speaker 8: Let's start right out, Hey what happened? As you know
back in nineteen sooner I start on a series called
Hey what happened?
Speaker 4: Okay? Think about Samuel Jackson's voice. It probably is a profanity.
Speaker 2: Right well, I'm a mushroom cloud land mother.
Speaker 7: Every time my fingers touched brain, I'm super flatty and tea.
Speaker 4: Even Bill Paxton, whether he's an IRP brother or whether
he's chet, think about his voice.
Speaker 9: Coconut, Pete Pia, the secret ingredient coconut.
Speaker 4: Now, think about Gary Oldman's voice. Because he knew deep done.
Speaker 2: It was your law.
Speaker 4: Can you even tell me what country he's from?
Speaker 2: A man could not live with himself and it would
be such bit politics.
Speaker 4: Can you tell me where he was born?
Speaker 2: I was a Christian.
Speaker 4: Camp my father founded for poor, unfortunate cast off little
boys and girls who would do it any thing for
a candy Bar. No, you can't, because his voice is
different in everything he's in. He is a leading man
in several of these movies, but it doesn't matter because
he's a different human being in every single one of
these movies. His range is incomparable to anyone else. He
is an outlier with his ability not to act, but
to seemingly medium channel other human beings and become them.
There's a meme out there that says, if suddenly you
were walking along and somebody yelled cut, and all of
a sudden you realize that you were actually Gary Oldman
being played in a movie, you wouldn't be surprised. Okay,
let me throw this out at you. Okay. He goes
from playing a New York gangster to a Shakespearean comic knave,
to Lee Harvey Oswald, to a Transylvanian count, to a dreadlocked,
ubonic speaking pimp, to an American drug addled cop to
a nineteenth century German composer, and that is only nineteen
ninety to nineteen ninety four, all of them fantastic movies.
He's played an ape, he's played a peacock. There is
nothing that this man can't do. And so even though
he might be a leading man sometimes and he might
be a very simple bit part guy some of the
time as well, he is always going to give you
something fresh. There is nothing that is repetitive about him
or his movies.
Speaker 1: Michael, that's gonna be a tough fact to follow. Are
you ready to play the Bill Paxton wild card?
Speaker 6: I do think that there are some very compelling reasons
to elevate Bill Paxson. First, I think a little trivia here,
just because this communicates how fun he is.
Speaker 2: And I actually have Jason to thank for this little factoid.
Speaker 6: Bill Paxton is the only actor of all time who
was killed by both a terminator, an alien and a predator.
That tells you something about what he's up against. That
he's willing to go to the far reaches of space
and the most dangerous machines of all time, not to
mention whatever.
Speaker 2: The other third thing is lust the thread.
Speaker 1: There Okay, the hottest day on record in Los Angeles.
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Something else that should
be brought up about Bill Paxton. This has very little
to do with his movies, but it's important. He saw JFK.
Not the movie, but the Man. On November twenty second,
nineteen sixty three, as the motorcade was passing through Fort Worth.
There is a picture of a young Bill Paxton up
on his father's shoulders, looking at the President, hours.
Speaker 2: Before he was assassinated in Dallas.
Speaker 6: Anybody who intersects with history in that kind of way
is walking around with the gift, is walking around with
something special that he carries with him everywhere he goes,
including onto movie sets. And that brings me to the
last point. I want to make a wild card brought
up the obituary a moment ago. There was a word
used in Bill Paxton's obituary that I want to draw
attention to, and that word was affable. You talk about
Fred Willard on a desert island being somebody who brings
joy and humored, that's great. I think affability is a
more important quality. Affability relates to who you're hanging out
with and how much you want to hang out with him. Yes,
I am impressed by Gary Oldman. He brings an intensity
to who he is and there is not a role
he plays where he doesn't disappear into him. But I'm
not on this desert island to celebrate one man. I'm
on this desert island to celebrate a rich catalog, and
sometimes that means that it's not just one person, but
the entire cast and the entire experience of a movie.
I need somebody who's here to bring every movie to
a place of transportation and vicarious experience.
Speaker 2: So that's my wild College Mike.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, if there's one word that defines
you in the wild card round, I would say passionate.
That was a very well given speech there, guys. We've
already name dropped several incredible titles that these actors are
a part of.
Speaker 3: But this next.
Speaker 1: Category, here's where you need to come out swinging guns
of blazon because we're going to do top five. Jason,
I want to hear your top five performances for Samuel L.
Speaker 4: Jackson.
Speaker 7: I don't know if these are top five performances. I'm
going to say these are his top five movies.
Speaker 4: Go in toe to toe with you, guys.
Speaker 7: So my first draft pick is going to be D's
all time favorite movie from the nineties.
Speaker 4: That's pulp fiction. You know what they call a quarter
poundal with cheese in France?
Speaker 2: No, right, yeah, with cheese. You know why they call
it that?
Speaker 4: Because of the metric system. Check out the Big Brain
on bread.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with maybe the greatest family movie of
the nineties, Jurassic Park. Kids absolutely love this movie.
Speaker 4: I loved it, everybody loved it. It's fantastic movie.
Speaker 7: Then I'm gonna pull out Avengers Endgame. You get anybody
below the age of twenty, it's maybe the greatest movie
they've ever seen. Then for me in the family genre again,
the Incredibles. I think it's the best movie since the
year two thousand. It's absolutely fantastic. And then lastly I'll
throw out Do the Right Thing by Spike Lee, a
great movie from nineteen eighty nine, showing his diversity. It's
not all just laser beams and dinosaurs. He actually has enjoyable,
you know, socially conscious movies as well. So that is
my Samuel L. Jackson top five.
Speaker 3: Excellent, top five.
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, I've been looking for this category
just so I could talk to ameit. You have, okay, omit,
let's hear your choices for Fred Willard's top five.
Speaker 5: Number one best in show from the year two thousand.
Fred Willard played one of the hosts of the Dog
Show and absolutely stole the movie. The cast of that movie. Overall,
it is incredibly rewatchable. Writing exactly on those coattails. But
sixteen years prior, spinal Tap still watched regularly. I believe
there is a sequel in the making. Yeah, correct, right now,
So here we are, god what, forty years after the
movie and still feels contemporary.
Speaker 2: Number three I referenced earlier.
Speaker 5: I will go with Wally given his significance in the
role and with Pixar. That was also a movie that
grossed five hundred and thirty million worldwide, So if we're
looking at Fred Willard's two point three billion or you've
almost got twenty percent of it right there. Number four,
I will go Harold and Kumar go.
Speaker 2: To White Castle.
Speaker 5: And that is is a personal choice because that was
one of the first movies with a cool Indian protagonist.
Speaker 2: So a big eyepie for my people.
Speaker 5: And number five I just don't think we can discount
because it's arguably the biggest comedy of this millennium would
be Anchorman, all right.
Speaker 4: I would throw in waiting for Gufman on my list.
I don't know who I'd not. Waiting for Gufman is
my favorite of all of Fred Willard's movies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would not disagree with you had I. I
was going for variety in my top five picks, and
since I sled with best and Show, that's the only
reason why I didn't bring in Waiting for Gutman. But
I could have easily substituted it completely agreed.
Speaker 4: Brilliant in all respects.
Speaker 7: I mean, you don't realize this, but you're sitting in
a podcast room with two of the biggest fans of
a Fred Willard movie that there may not be anybody
else in the entire country as big as fans as
there are.
Speaker 2: Can I guess it?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 5: Moving violations? Yes, yes, I gotta say I was.
Speaker 1: I was conflicted here because I wanted so desperate to
hear moving violations on your list. But with the choices
that you made, where do you put moving violations among
those films?
Speaker 8: So as for me, everyone calls me, Doc, stop by
the clinic anytime.
Speaker 4: Excuse me.
Speaker 8: You have a clinic, not just a clinic. The clinic.
We do the finest diagnostic check ups in town.
Speaker 4: Doc Williams at your service.
Speaker 3: D This couldn't be easy for you. For Gary Oldman,
what are your top five choices.
Speaker 4: It's the understatement of the year to say that it
was not easy to bring this down to only five.
He's won an Academy Award. I didn't see that movie,
so I didn't pick it. He's won a Golden Globe,
but I didn't see that movie either, so I didn't
pick that one. He's won three British Academy Film Awards,
and he's been nominated for two other Oscars, and he's
been nominated for an Emmy. But I didn't pick that
one because it was just a couple of episodes of Friends.
I picked the movies that I like. It's my personal
top five. It probably will be different than anybody else's
top five, but I'm gonna go Number five Leon the Professional,
Number four Oppenheimer where he plays the President Truman. Number
three True Romance, because it is the role I went.
This is the same guy. I'm ste a mystery to you?
Did I actual if you want some dinner and you're
going to everyone started trying down in cinemaself this moment.
Speaker 7: He's caming on like you and got a carovin the
Wold and who knows.
Speaker 4: Number two Immortal Beloved. Because I'm a huge classical music fan.
I think it's one of the most underrated movies of
the nineties. Great mystery, great music, and obviously great performance.
Number one pick for the Gary Oldman movie. It was
my number one pick for all of the movies of
the twentieth century, and that's Dark Knight, No Dracula. It's
it's fantastic. But I mean, dude, there's a million movies
that he could that I could pick.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, a lot of Dracula talk on this podcast.
Speaker 3: I didn't expect that.
Speaker 1: Michael, let's talk about Bill Paxton's top five.
Speaker 2: All right, let me win this thing.
Speaker 6: So I think the thing that has to really be
elevated again here and that has to be called out
is the word rewatchability that's come up a few times.
We are absolutely talking about some of my favorite performances
with Gary Oldman and definitely some of the most funny
movies in the Fred Willard catalog and everything that came
up with Samuel L.
Speaker 2: Jackson is I think.
Speaker 6: Competes with rewatchability, but not quite this list. So number
five I struggled here, but I wanted to get a
little sentimental. I'm gonna put Titanic I'm ready to get sentimental.
I'm ready to get weepy. And look, man, you put
that movie on and the and the right moment, and
I can get caught up in it. I've always had
a thing for Kate Winslett. I think the set design
is extraordinary. I feel like I'm back in the early
twentieth century. And I guess, on the subject of rewatchability,
one thing about Bill Paxton movies is you often know
the outcome. We know the ship's gonna sink, yet we
watch it anyway, and in fact, we rewatch it anyway.
And that, I think, to me is what this Desert
Island thought experiment is all about.
Speaker 4: Mike, you and Jason really need to hang out?
Speaker 2: We do, Yeah, what are we doing here?
Speaker 7: I love Titanic, man, I think is.
Speaker 2: The best movie of the ninety He is a great movie.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm a sucker for a certain kind of romance.
Speaker 2: All right, Number four, I'm going to go Apollo thirteen.
Speaker 6: I think that the Apollo thirteen captures the wonder of space.
Speaker 2: It's got a high drama.
Speaker 6: I think that there's a celebration of a moment in history,
and I think, to just imagine yourself traveling literally around
the dark side of the moon is the kind of
thing that you can connect with if you're on a
desert island, because you too feel alienated, you too feel
like you're at the ends of the world. Number three,
I need something that is both fun but also high stakes.
Speaker 2: I'm going Terminator the original.
Speaker 6: I think that the way it puts me back in
nineteen eighty four, like those special effects, while sometimes feeling dated,
actually have and electricity to them, and I think that's
arguably Arnold's greatest role.
Speaker 2: Number two.
Speaker 6: I want to go back to the Old West with Tombstone,
mostly because of the Val Kilmer doc holiday performance, but
I want to be taken back to the Old West
and a great shootout. And Number one for me is
pretty obvious maybe but Aliens. I can watch Aliens over
and over and over again. I think the set design
of all these movies, and I keep coming back to
this idea, take me somewhere else. I'm on a desert island.
I don't want to be. I want to be anywhere else.
The range of environments and settings that we get to
go to with these five bill packs and movies are
what I need on this Desert Island.
Speaker 1: I got to say, if physical media did not exist
and cable providers provided the all aliens, all the time channel,
I would subscribe.
Speaker 4: That's all I need, It's all I need, absolutely filled
with Cameron love.
Speaker 3: Right, I love?
Speaker 4: I love James Cameron y.
Speaker 1: Speaking of love, let's talk about I don't.
Speaker 3: Call if it was Jim Caviezel or Willem Defoe who
once said.
Speaker 4: Who has neverous sinned?
Speaker 1: Who whoever that is, come up here and tell these
if we're casting stones for sins, we're all gonna be
hurt real quick.
Speaker 3: But these guys have sinned before.
Speaker 1: So let's move to our next category, another hold over,
another favorite one, cinematic sins. So, for those of you
that are unaware what the cinematic sins category is all about,
this is the opportunity for three others to gnash their
teeth and call out the cinematic sins of the fourth
pick for MVP. So Jason prepared to get stoned because
I'm going to talk to these guys about Samuel L.
Jackson's cinematic sins. I'm at cast the first stone, Sir Alan.
Speaker 5: It's got to be snakes on a plane. I don't
don't have to look.
Speaker 2: Up shooting from the hip. Yes, I saw the trailer.
Speaker 5: I didn't need to see the movie, right.
Speaker 2: I think America felt the same.
Speaker 7: Yes, I have no defense on that one. I can't
say anything. I cannot defend that one.
Speaker 3: Cannot defend that one. D take your best shot.
Speaker 4: I make a concerted effort not to watch bad movies,
and so this was the hardest category for me. Like I,
if I've seen a movie that you guys in, I
probably liked it. But I did see the Clone Wars.
Speaker 7: Yeah, are you fantom menacing.
Speaker 4: Me right now? The phantomism? Those are three of those
movies are menacing. I also haven't seen the Marvels, and
I never planned to, but it would be number three
on my list.
Speaker 7: I'm getting like a quadruper shot.
Speaker 3: I have seen it.
Speaker 4: I won't call it that one. My pick is Clone
Wars because I've seen it and I will never watch
it again.
Speaker 7: Remember, Oben one, if the prophecy is true, your apprentice
is the only one who can bring the force back
into balance.
Speaker 3: How about it, Michael?
Speaker 2: The problem with Samuel L.
Speaker 6: Jackson on a desert island is decision fatigue. Yes, there
are some in here we can pluck out true romance
or pulp fiction.
Speaker 2: But my god, do you have to sort through an unbelievable.
Speaker 6: Amount of craft before you get to anything good. So
maybe that is my dick. I'll go Farce of the Penguins.
I never saw it. I assume they're making fun of
March of the Penguins, and Samuel L. Jackson was the narrator,
so that is the stone I shall casp.
Speaker 1: Sir Jason, any last comment about defending Samuel Jackson's cinematic sins.
Speaker 7: I can't really defend myself on any of those, but
I will say that this summer we're going to take
a deep dive on our What the Heck Happens series,
where we're going to break down and discuss the Phantom
Menace versus Star Trek the motion picture, and ask the question,
what the heck happened?
Speaker 4: Otherwise I have no defense.
Speaker 1: All right, well, Jason rests, it's amets turn. Let's talk
Fred Willard's cinematic sins.
Speaker 4: One of the nice things that I figured out from
doing this episode is that on the IMDb app can
actually sort all of the movies of a particular performer
by IMDb ranking, And here's what I figured out about
Fred Willard. When someone says do you want to be
in a movie? He does not say no, Yeah, that
was him.
Speaker 2: He was a yes guy.
Speaker 4: So on his IMDb credits list, he has a movie
that ranks less than a two point zero. But I'm
not picking that movie because just a couple above that
one is the movie Christmas Vacation to Cousin Eddie's Island.
Not only is it a horrible movie, but it's an
affront to the whole series. And so for that reason,
it has to be Fred Willard's biggest cinematic sin.
Speaker 1: I meant anything to say, I mean, I'm glad Eddie
got an island to be well in that case, Michael,
what is your choice for Fred Willard's cinematic sin.
Speaker 6: I'm running into the same damn problem. The fact that
he basically said yes is nice. You need the job,
you got to take the work, but have some I
don't know, sense of taste and some dignity. Sometimes it's
really okay to say that's not for me. I'll go
ahead and choose Reanimated, which is a TV movie from
two thousand and six that got a star of two
point eight.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of it before.
Speaker 6: I've hut it up, but it's representative of the overall
decision process for Fred Willard.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid ouch, I'm at silent. I guess we move
on to Jason to continue the pylon here.
Speaker 7: I'm just going to jump on Michael's cattails here and
just say yes, he's got a great voice and so
working as a voice actor, you get drug in some
bad projects.
Speaker 4: But for me, I mean, I don't even have to
watch this movie, The Pooch and the Popper.
Speaker 7: I feel as a father, that's one that I would
have been in the movie theater with my kids, going
what is this crappy movie that I'm watching?
Speaker 1: So mark me down The Pooch and the Popper? Okay,
can you say in defense of The Pooch and the Popper?
Speaker 2: I mean, great title. I'm a little intrigued. Actually, yeah,
it could be good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't have plans tomorrow night until now.
Speaker 1: Now, d I'm curious, and we won't hold this against Fred.
The title that you were going to suggest, was it named.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's called Schoolgirls spelled with a Y.
Speaker 2: Where would you put a y oy?
Speaker 4: One eight one point eight? When I did the sorting
by rank. It was impressive. How many movies in the
two point something categoric. I don't know how many bad
movies you can make, but this is his amount is impressive.
Speaker 5: That speaks to accessibility alignment with the proletariat. I feel
like there's.
Speaker 4: A Tom Arnold and if Fred Willard was still alive,
got together and made a movie, it might rank in
the negatives somehow.
Speaker 1: Well, Michael, let's uh, there's still more sin to discuss.
D and his choice, Gary Oldman are on the stand,
so let's talk Gary Oldman's cinematic sins.
Speaker 3: Michael.
Speaker 6: I'm going to take a slightly different angle on this
because Gary Oldman is excellent in everything he's on. So
I am not about to criticize the man's decisions in
terms of role. What I am going to criticize here
is his decision in terms of impact. And here I
am going to attack the film JFK. Somehow this keeps
coming up.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: I am entertained by JFK. I've watched it several times.
I think it is a well crafted movie. I think
it is extremely well cast. I also think it has
forever altered our opinion of what happened on that fateful day.
I do not claim to know. I am interested in
the conspiracy theories. I am also interested in the mainstream message.
But I also believe that a large chunk of not
just America, but the world now believes a certain story
because Gary Oldman was so good in that movie in
a way that is a cinematic sen that it is
presented as truth and as the final say. I have
some reservations around that, and I'm gonna call that a
sen I go with that.
Speaker 1: You know, in the future, people are gonna look at
me and say, you hosted a podcast that said negative
things about JFK, and I will be forced to say,
I'm just a Patsyne. Oh wow.
Speaker 6: All I mean to say is that there is such
a thing as too convincing.
Speaker 2: Of a role. I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3: Jason, Let's talk Sin and Gary Oldman.
Speaker 7: Okay, So I'm gonna throw out the stupid IMDb rankings.
I could care less about what other people think. I
just know what I think, right. I am an expert
on my own opinion. And when I went to the
movie theater in nineteen ninety eight, when I watched The
Fifth Element, I thought This movie might be the worst
piece of crap I've ever seen on screen. It is
unbearable to me between Bruce Willows was uncool, and you
had Gary Oldman dressed up like dead or alive from
you know, you spin me right around like a record.
I can't take this movie. I can't do it. I
know other people like it. I think it's a giant
pile of heaping crape.
Speaker 4: Who you are, you worried, should be prayed.
Speaker 3: So a lot of the federal governman scattered your people.
Speaker 4: To Queen, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Your
time for revenge is out hand, and.
Speaker 1: I guess as moderator, I shouldn't say anything, So I'll
go to Amet and ask him. I'm at your thoughts
on Gary Oldman's cinematic sins.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm leaving myself a little vulnerable here because I'm
gonna point out one of Matthew McConaughey's bigger cinematic sins.
And should you want to throw that back at me,
you could also point out that Matthew McConaughey started in
The Wedding Planner, which also featured Fred Willard. However, Fred
Willer did not accept to play a role in the
movie Tiptoes from two thousand and two. Gary Olman did
enough to be one of the leading characters. And what
is Tiptoes about, you ask, Let's just take a little look.
Let's google Tiptoes. The film's plot revolves an average size man,
Matthew McConaughey, who struggles with revealing to his pregnant fiance,
Kate Beckhamsale that his entire family are little people as
he worries that their unborn child may be born with
dwarf ism.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 7: Interesting, Gary Oldman's in that.
Speaker 2: Gary Oldman is in there. He signed off.
Speaker 5: He is one of the top three actors on it.
In fact, he plays Rolf.
Speaker 4: He plays a dwarf.
Speaker 2: No, he plays Rolf.
Speaker 7: Okay, Peter Dinklice is in it.
Speaker 5: Though, and I'm assuming he plays one of Matthew McConaughey's
family members.
Speaker 4: Just to be clear, he does play a dwarf.
Speaker 5: WHOA Yes, Wow Oldman does. Yes, there's one small problem.
Speaker 7: I'm wrong, I'm your brother.
Speaker 2: Were twins are your pants?
Speaker 4: Wow? In my research today, I came across this movie
and I was just like, Yeah, this one looks like
it has so much promise and yet but I mean
it's it's I don't think it's I mean they've got
multiple little people actors in it.
Speaker 2: Yes, then why do they need Oldman?
Speaker 3: Right exactly?
Speaker 7: Well, I think, yeah, that's making more grandiose.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So to clarify, we're not talking about Tim Conway's stores.
Speaker 3: We're talking about Gary Oldman's roof.
Speaker 5: So Gary munder played confusion there.
Speaker 3: Uh, what do you have to say to defend Gary
Oldman's cinematic sins?
Speaker 4: Okay, So I have to take something back because earlier
I said that the wild card category would be the
category that I pulled a head not to be left behind.
But apparently it's this category. I'm gonna just take them
in reverse. Okay, tiptoes if that's a cinematic sin. Also
committing that sin, as he mentioned, is Matthew McConaughey. Also
Kate Beckhamsale, Peter Dinklice, Patricia Arquette, David Allen Greer. Everything
I read about it said it had so much promise
for the first half, and in the last half it
became a TV Movie of the Week kind of thing.
I actually want to see this movie, despite the fact
that it does have a dismal four point two rating
on the other two movies. Fifth Element one of the
best regarded sci fi movies of the nineties. I will
accept that as a sin if you will. And then
JFK eight point oh, eight point oh. Are we playing
the IMDb MVP or what if you go to IMDb?
It's just telling you guys that you're all crazy.
Speaker 2: I'll save my rebus.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, Michael, you're going to have to say here
because we're about to discuss the cinematic sins of Bill Paxson,
and we're going to begin with Jason.
Speaker 7: I love Bill Paxson. I can't deny it. I'm a
big Cameron guy. In fact, I listened to a two
hour interview with him today on the way over, and
I presently like him even more than I did two
hours prior to that great actor, fun guy down to earth.
But I know that I watched a movie in college
in nineteen ninety three called Monolith, and it's like X
Files cops chasing Aliens, and I was very hopeful because obviously,
if there's a guy who knows about aliens, it's Bill Paxson.
But this was a piece of crap.
Speaker 2: Who the hell are you that information is classified?
Speaker 7: On this epicide? Where are you taking that girl?
Speaker 9: It's also classified? Can't you play any other tune? Let
me lay some reality on you, Detective Tucker. If you
obstruct me, you are obstructing the United States government.
Speaker 3: Ahmet. Your thoughts on Bill Paxton's cinematic sins.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I feel a little bad about this one
because I think it was one of his last films
and was released posthumously. The Circle, which is an adaptation
of Dave Egger's book of the same name. Horrible adaptation
of that so particularly bothered me because I liked the
book so much, and to see Bill Paxson play May's
father made a leading character in it in just this
horribly conceived adaptation.
Speaker 4: Was a punch in the gun.
Speaker 3: This was the one with Tom Hanks.
Speaker 5: Tom Hanks is notorious for accepting terrible roles in movie
adaptations of Dave Eggers books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no rebuttal d your conversation about Bill
Paxton's cinematic sins.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't like watching bad movies. I avoid it
at all costs, but I also have five kids, and
so sometimes it's unavoidable. And among the movies that I've
had to watch because I have children are the Spy
Kids movies and he was in not one, but two
Spy Kids movies that'd be Spy Kids two and Spy
Kids three as Dinky Winks. I don't know how you
get offered the part of Dinky Winks and say yes
unless Robert Roriguez has agreed to put you in his
next vampire or grindhouse movie. I don't. I just don't
get it.
Speaker 6: Well, hy there, little nis versus lady, I'm Vicky Winks,
owner of this fine establishment.
Speaker 2: Are you ready to ride the ride and shrield to
the thrill, spills and chills?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: I am rap this.
Speaker 4: There, you go, take your pick. They're basically the same.
Speaker 3: I have nothing to say to Dicky Weeks.
Speaker 1: So what do you have to say as far as
defending Bill Paxton's cinematic sins.
Speaker 2: Well, now that.
Speaker 6: We've gone through all of us, who among us has
not said here? I think what I would have to say.
IMBB can have their own stars, their own rakings. This
is not a conversation about what the critics say. This
is a conversation about what we want and what's best
for us as we wade out the long hours and
days on this desert island.
Speaker 2: So that's thought one. Thought two.
Speaker 6: I think I already said who among us is not sent?
And thought three, and this is probably the most important look.
You're not going to have great movies if you don't
take big risks. I think that's what we want from
our actors. I think we want them to say, you
know what, I am going.
Speaker 9: To go for it.
Speaker 2: Hold my beer while I make this movie.
Speaker 6: And yes, sometimes that's going to result in the occasional
Spy Kids too, And maybe you ask somebody to do
it again and Spy Kids three comes around, or maybe
you say, you know what monolist sounds about. Right, I've
had a good streak with these science fiction horror thriller movies.
Speaker 2: What could go wrong?
Speaker 6: And unfortunately everything goes wrong. But when you go for
it the way Bill Paxton went for it, you also
get The Terminator and Aliens and Twister and on Tombstone
and Big Love and you name it. So I'll take
the good with the bad here, and I think on balance,
these were calculated risks that pay off. No one is
a saint here, but the sum total of virtue far
outweighs the sin.
Speaker 3: Well, I am nearing my final judgment.
Speaker 1: But before I offer that, should we offer you guys
a short summation, just to say one last thing about
your candidate for IMDb MVP.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll start. You want me to start?
Speaker 7: Twenty eight billion dollars and eleven successful franchises. That is
a catalog to take to a desert island. That right there,
I'm it.
Speaker 5: Three hundred and seventeen credits, both movie and television. You
don't know when that rescue boat is coming, so you
better have a lot to watch.
Speaker 4: D I feel like my competitors are just drawing at
Straw's right now. I'm just going to give you a
few facts that I didn't have another place to put
it in. Fact number one, before he became a working actor,
he sold shoes and he beheaded pigs in a slaughterhouse.
Fact number two. When he became an established actor, he
was the first one they offered the part of Edward
Scissorhands too, and he turned it down.
Speaker 5: Because he might have had a pig with those sisserhands.
Speaker 4: And then fact number three, and I know you guys
have been waiting the whole show. I sent you a
picture earlier today Zuma Thurman nineteen ninety one. He was
married to her from nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety two.
What the only And it just threw to throw it
back to the different types of movie. I mentioned all
of the you know, kids movies that you could watch
with Gary Oldman. He had one in seventeen movie it's
called Wow Henry in June, and I remember that Uma
was in that one with him. I think that's where
they hooked up. If you will okay that picture. If
that picture doesn't give me some kind of extra credit
that I don't really need, I don't know what does
I do like Uma?
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, Michael, Yeah, I don't know how to
respond to that. I don't know how it has anything
to do with what we were talking about. But my thoughts,
I think it's pretty simple. Who I want to hang
out with.
Speaker 6: As I'm waiting for that ship to arrive, I'm asking
myself what do I want from a movie? And what
I want from a movie is to get lost in it.
I want to be taken somewhere else. I want to
consider fantastic stories with epic stakes. I want to consider
the impossible, and I want the impossible to be made believable.
Nobody was in the range of movies that accomplished that
central goal across genres and across budgets. I think how
much money it made and what the critics had to
say has nothing to do. This is about our relationship
to film, and on that score, I cannot think of
a better candidate than the late great Bill Paxton.
Speaker 1: Very well, listeners, we have been discussing the box office roles,
genre diversity, and films both bad and cinematically sinful of
Bill Paxton, Gary Oldman, Samuel L.
Speaker 3: Jackson, and Fred Willard.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, this was not an easy decision,
and it was a very tight race. I commend all
four of you. But should I find myself a castaway
with a treasure trove of one actor's films, I'm going
to have to say the name is Gary Oldman. I'm
looking at my score, I'm hearing these passionate please and ultimately,
d I think you did a great job convincing me
that Gary Oldman was the choice, because well, I won't
tell you who I had tipped before this even started.
Speaker 3: Gary Oldman was not who I expected I would come
to in the end. So well, done, sir.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It's a worthy foe. I see this argument.
Speaker 1: Well, gentlemen, I can't thank you enough for allowing me
the opportunity to moderate this amazing episode. Absolutely love both
your shows. I'm at Michael. Can you tell us a
little bit about what's coming up this season? On Famous
and Gravy?
Speaker 5: We select who we're going to talk about not too
far in advance, and we bring a lot of real
time to the table. There are some things I don't
know if you want to preview them, Michael, Well, I don't.
Speaker 6: Know without having prepared a quiz for the opening quiz.
Speaker 2: How about this?
Speaker 6: How about I call you early next week and you
can take the opening quiz for the next Famous and
Gravy episode.
Speaker 3: I'll be happy, I'd be honored.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it all right?
Speaker 6: All right, we like to not review until we get
to the episode. Although now that we're putting the artwork out,
it's not really working. But anyway, we'd like to try
and keep it a mystery.
Speaker 5: Yeah, our devoted listeners like to not know until the
day of release.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jason Dee, what can we expect this season on
the Shirley You can't be serious?
Speaker 7: Podcast man, we are covering a whole slew of awesome
stuff from nineteen eighty four nineteen eighty nine. We're doing
a little bit from nineteen seventy nine, so we're comparing
The Car's Heartbeat City versus Brian adams Reckless album from
nineteen eighty four. We're gonna do Pink Floyd's The Wall
versus Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon head to
head comparison there. We're even doing like great sequels from
nineteen eighty nine. We're doing Lethal Weapon two versus Indiana
Jones three.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a lot of.
Speaker 3: Fun, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely excited about the upcoming seasons that we're getting
to both these podcasts, and I can't wait to hear
what you guys have for us.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be great.
Speaker 4: Jeff, what do you got coming up?
Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Aside from doing we typically do, which is talk about
directors in their underrated hits, I mentioned those limited series
that we've had a lot of fun with in the past.
We have a couple that are poised to start here
very soon. We will be bringing back a film at
forty five series for one more year where we'll celebrate
the forty fifth anniversary of some of nineteen seventy nine's
iconic films. We will also be doing our new limited
series nineteen ninety six. So we had a blast talking
about movies from nineteen eighty six. We kind of dumped
back ten years and did nineteen seventy six last season,
and this season we're jumping forward. We're gonna finish this trilogy,
if you will. We're gonna be talking about films of
nineteen ninety six, and we've got a lot of great,
great people lined up.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna have some fun, awesome, very cool.
Speaker 2: Jeff, thanks for moderating this, and d congratulations.
Speaker 3: You guys did a great job. I had a blast,
so thanks, thank for having me.
Speaker 1: The question is did we get it right? Is Gary
Oldman the IMDb MVP? Or did you have another choice
in mind? Did you have someone in mind that maybe
we didn't even discuss. Please let us know.
Speaker 4: Reach out.
Speaker 1: You can find the social media channels and websites for
Famous and Gravy, the Sureley you Can't Be Serious podcast,
and a fum By podcast in the show notes. We
would love to hear from you and find out what
your thoughts were,