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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to see Good Matters everybody. Today,

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I'm speaking with Adrian Bartlett, a lifelong friend and heavily

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involved with Ecomotives and Assured Marine companies are both working

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on technology designed to cut fuel consumption and reduce drag

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and lower emissions, not as a theory, but impractical working vessels.

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This isn't about the slogans and policy targets. It's about

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weather innovations can genuinely make fishing more efficient, more profitable

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and fit for the future. Hi, Arian, welcome back to

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see Good Matters. Thank you for joining us again.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hi Jim, Now it's always a pleasure. You know

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that we can never get too tired. Thank you for

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inviting me back.

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Speaker 1: Thank you you started late. And see, I know you're

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pipping tick. That affects the whole commercial fishing fleet. What's

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the biggest mainset shift you've had moving from fisher mode

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marine tick.

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Speaker 2: It was obviously when I started in the fishing industry

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and then retired. There's always kind of difficult to know

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where your place sits. And then it was a chance

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meeting for a friend, a mutual friend between myself and

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Jason Monroe, and that was over six years ago now,

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and I entered the world in about hydrogen. I've always

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known it's Hydrogen's there. I've always known it's been an

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abundant element, or one of the most abundant abundant elements

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in the universe. So it took me quite a few

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years to take my mind away from going out catching

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shellfish to start discussing high level hydrogen and moving the

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ecomotors ecopro within the fishing industry. So I had to

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learn pretty quickly about legislation, you know, explosive levels of hydrogen,

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you know, working with the MCA, working with class. So

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the mindset is still happening today. It's something that you

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cannot not keep continually moving forward with Jim. So you know,

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nearly every day is a learning day, which it should

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be any rate, but when you're working, you know, in

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the first instance, with hydrogen, and then you're trying to

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convince people that we can aid the engines combustion efficiency

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by just putting a little small amount of catalytic hydrogen

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into the engine. It's a big tour order and an

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ask when the technology is relatively new, even six years old,

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still a new technology that we're putting on marine engines,

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but I can never get bored by talking about it

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because of the benefits of the system outwighs. If you've

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got to explain yourself five ten times a day, Jim.

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Speaker 1: I think that's interesting the litericing point. If I could

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ask you and I know how I feel about the

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same question, but you're talking the little bit hydrogen and

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how you enjoy talking about it. I think I pressurement

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started off going to see do you still feel you're

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part of the fishing industry.

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Speaker 2: I would love to think so, Jim. But outside working

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alongside Jason and Kirsten, I still put a lot of

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effort in to other organizations, you know, with the Plymouth

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Fishing and Seafood Association, I do a lot with them,

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and with Ed working between the fishermen and the supply

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chain and trying to get the Plymouth public to understand

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that they can still buy the fresh fish. And also

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with Gemma at Devon Young Fishers working with them to

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try to get more recruitment into the fishing industry. And

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I still walk on keys in harbors around the country

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and still try to stay so connected with the industry

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because it doesn't make a difference if you're working in technology,

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or you're a service provider, or you're actually working on

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the boats. We've got to protect the boats that go

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and catch our species. So all in all, it doesn't

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make a difference what area you are in. You are

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still connected to the fishing industry, and after spending the

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amount of time of me being at sea, you would

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hope that would carry some influence or some moving forward

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when you do decide to go into a different area

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of the industry, if it's innovation or tech or catching you.

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Speaker 1: Get all that. I was just thinking what you feel

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in your head? Do you in your head? Are you

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still in it? I'll tell you where I'm coming from.

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I don't want to trap you, Adrian, there's no traps.

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I for twenty two years, my last twenty two years

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working at our seafood restaurant and scrabs it. And yes,

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I would accept some people saying to me, I was

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in the hospitality industry, but my mein U is one

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hundred percent seafood. So I still clasped myself as in

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the fishing industry. And that's how I got away with it,

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because the menu is one hundred percent seafood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think I would like to say that

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I remember you phoning me up, Jim, years and years

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ago and asking can you freeze down a home cook crab?

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And I think if you remember and I told you

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the process, and then you phone me back up, and

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the worst thing to do is to obviously annoy a chef,

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let alone a scott, a chef with a restaurant if

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it was all wrong and it worked out quite fine.

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So am I still a fisherman?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, sorry, not a fisherman. Are you

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still feel you're in the fishing industry?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do, simple quo. Yes I do. I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But I'll just correct you on the point

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you said they're when you talked about chefs, I always

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clasped myself, even when I was round the tables in

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the restaurant talking to customers and they would refer to

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me as a chef, and I would say, no, no,

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I'm not a chef, I'm the cook. Ye. I would say, oh, well,

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what's a difference. Or I would say there's a massive difference.

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A chef has lots of attitude, a cook as manegle

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and eagle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like when me and Sarah. We set up

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a pop up restaurant that we used to put in

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in food vessels in during lockdown, we opened up The

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Curious Crab. There was no chefs in the kitchen. Were

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just cooking the best produce that was brought to our

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door every day. And I think you get more passion.

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Sorry chef, but I think you get more passion on

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a plate if you're a cook, more so than if

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you're a chef. Best product on a on a cook's

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plate than there is a chef's plate. They kind of

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put too much with it.

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Speaker 1: They well, i'll tell you what you're one hundred percent

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rate there, and I'll tell you something what it takes

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to Miand when you see that, I class myself as

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a cook because I had no ego as far as

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that was concerned. And the number of teams I was

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Roan teables And you know the comment many many customers

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made they reckon they could see the love.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was more front of the house where

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Sarah was up in the kitchen, and I was even

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with the pop up restaurant. You know, Sarah and a

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couple of andies, you know, they were cooked, you know,

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and they could see it on the plate without shadow

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of doubt because it was just you know, it's like

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when you come to the Curious Crab and you want

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girded and chips. It was garnered and chips. There was

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no foams, there was no split oils, there were no

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no petals and pansies all over the top of it.

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It was just glded and chips. And yeah, there's there's

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a place for fine dining and there's a place where

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mixed in Stark. It's just all about good food, isn't it.

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But yeah, if it's girded and chips, you can't go wrong.

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And if they didn't like it, they didn't either like

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the chips or they didn't like the girner, did they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've worn a lot of huts skipper seafood

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and bussa or lecture or which rule has taught you

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the most about we're at the seafood industry gets stuck

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on innovation.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny, it was on a on a three

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hour Ever since meeting Jason, I started sitting in different

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rooms with different people about innovation and there's there's certain

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innovations out there that can aid the fishing industry today.

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But when you're dealing with government then they they're not

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moving fast enough and they're a little bit behind the time.

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With other countries that's working to so called net zero.

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But what they don't understand with the fishing industry, we've

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we've got to kind of meet similar targets is the

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other marine industries around the UK, but that they're they're

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going going at the wrong way. We've got to look

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at the efficiency in the bottom line of the boats

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more so than talking about emissions and Tier three and

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all that. That's it's happening. So I think we've got

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a long way to go and the product's got to work,

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isn't it And it's got to prove itself for any

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fishermen to take it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. If you could go back to your

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personal point for the tame Idrian, I believe you're no

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a point. Can you tell our listeners about of that?

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Speaker 2: Well, accidents happen, doesn't it really? But when I was

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at sea, it's getting the confidence even come to talk

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to you or when you gain confidence, you know, so

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you go to see for a reason you you don't

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like people, you don't like talking to you apart from

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your crew and you're doing a natural thing by a catching.

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But I've always written down thoughts ideas letter in wording

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when I was at sea, and sea states, sunrises, birds

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landing on the water, the crews moving around the deck.

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And I had a big personal issue in the early

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noughties over me. Son and Suddody said you need to

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just write, write your thoughts down, and write it down.

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So I started kind of constructing a little bit of

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poetry or a few stories over the troubles trying to

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see the sun. Hector. It was a huge, huge, the

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biggest thing I've ever had to ever have to task in.

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I wrote some stories, write a bit of poetry, and

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doing a bio banquet in What the bio learning center

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does is try to get people connected to food and

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where it comes from. And they wanted somebody from the

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fishing industry, and yeah, I've been standing up on stage

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since twenty eleven showing seafood to the public, and Bestally

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just thought I might be able to do that. But

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I had seven or eight minutes since she said, look,

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they need a story, they want a story. So I

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drafted a story out about taking the audience in that

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room to see one early morning to go and catch

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some crab, and I thought, let's just try it. So

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I just put a little poem in and it got

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received really really well, and then it's just grown from there.

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and young Fishers. They've done an open day with a

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load of young younger, younger people wanted to look and

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just snowboard and then Sarah ku tail with the iff.

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day and so what I'm putting together is a little

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bit be spoke for people, and I've got a couple

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more coming up. Now. I'm not going to write a book.

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I'm not going to do anything like that, but I

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think if what I want to try to it's like

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when I read it at the ISFF, I'm dyslexic, and

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I read the poem I wrote for Sarah, and that

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isff Synopson was called a tideworth Turning. I read that

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one hundred times and I still got to read it

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off a page, and I still missed four important lines

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out because my dyslexia was just moving that poem around

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that my a five pages like I had to catch

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the words to recite them. And I just want to

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if I can get up and talk in a room,

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and I think we might. I would like people to

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understand if I can do it, and if you're in

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a room with scientists, you know, please put your hand

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up and get your your voice heard. And I think

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that that's why I think I'm putting myself out of

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my comfort zone by doing this. If I can do it,

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anybody can do it, Jim, I would thinks I would

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hope they could. If you see what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know one of the thing in Idrian two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they do, they do. And you know in

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the industry around what a tide worth turning is captured,

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is captured. Every harbor fishing community around the UK coastline

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on where we are now, and it's worth turning. It's

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worth supporting the industry and the fishing boat in the

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career and families that are still operating. I know we're

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in difficult times again for no thought of our own

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and but we've got to look at the communities and

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provide our own food security. It comes down to that,

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Speaker 1: The end totally before we move on. We're just like,

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if you were comfortable about it, will maybe at the

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end we'll come out with a recal from you if

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you would like to, Jim, Yes, I would love to,

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and I'm sure our listeners would as well, So we'll

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look forward to that. If it's not putting you on

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Speaker 2: No, it's not putting me on the spot, Jim. As

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you know, we've all every time you get over your nervousness,

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and we always make mistakes and say the wrong thing.

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But one thing I've never done is been political with

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in our industry at all. I'm not interested in that.

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I'm just interested in trying to put a bit of

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positiveness within the industry and get the public towe eat

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a bit more fish. Really so, but you're always always nervous,

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you can get picked up. But as we got thick skins,

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it goes above me head at the end of the day. Anyway,

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we have nerves. That's a perfect simple body reaction. Yeah

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it is, it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no credit to your credit to you.

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Speaker 2: If I can follow Raymond Blanc from my very first

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cooking demo in twenty twelve in Oxford with a thousand people,

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and we've just had our new shirts come out, the

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wrappers and I've still got the FOD lines down, I

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think I can recite this poem for you this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Well my only response to that is I'm not interested

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in Raymond Blong and you're not you for all you've

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done in your career, Adrian, you're not a follower.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. We got to.

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Speaker 1: Say absolutely absolutely and you do. And see if you

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don't see if ground as well here because right through

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my career, when a factor is restaurant whatever, as far

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as I was concerned anybody wanting to come on board

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as a member of staff or in any situation, I

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was never interested, no matter what the qualifications were. If

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they never made mistakes, I wasn't interested.

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Speaker 2: Now and you've got to learn by those mistakes, haven't

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you really? You know it's anyway learning in it And

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it's like anything. I remember being a kid and I

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accidentally knit me brothers push bike and smash it the

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pieces and I owned up to it. You can't hide

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behind it and you can't say, oh something else is

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that you know I micked it and bust it. Well

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you know, sorry.

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Speaker 1: You at least then you're seeing some an honest person

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rather yeah, somebody that that speaks louder than what you've

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actually done.

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Speaker 2: But it does link into those gym, doesn't it about.

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You've got to be a have credible and you've got

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to be accountable for your actions in as we know

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in the fishing industries, the every owner and every skipper

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has got to be accountable of every minute there at

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sea and every catch they catch. And then the people

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that are providing policy or look into this, they're not accountable.

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And I think they need to be accountable. If they've

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made a decision it's not working, they should own it,

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look at it, change it and move on. And it's

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just unfortunate that they're not accountable and they should be accountable.

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Because alfrom the Civics, eudents and half of them has

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been voted in and if they're not working, I think

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they need to be accountable for their actions. And you know,

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I think we're further ahead if we can make make

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them accountable. So it does lead into.

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Speaker 1: That in the political world, or the people and the

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men and the political people in the political world, that's

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a tough ask to get.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they should be. It should be so simple.

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You know, they have a review every year and if

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they've not done a job, boot them out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way it was with us as youngsters.

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If you didn't do your job, you were out. You

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lost it. E comotes an ecopro take let's cut to it,

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a hydrogen electoralizer on a diesel engine. Zones Lake ski Fei.

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For first, what's as simple as we're do we explain

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why that ecoprol actually works well.

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Speaker 2: Going back to Jason, you know the way he was

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looking at hydrogen. He's looked at hydrogen in a totally

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different way to most It's one of the most abundant

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element in the universe, and he's just kind of harnessed it.

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But simply we put a water container on a vessel

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that hodes deer and knows water so break it down

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and then we use electrolyzers to produce the hydrogen. But

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when we produce hydrogen through electrolyzers, we also produce oxygen.

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But Jason's technology and paintings and technology worldwide, we split

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that off and in its pure hydrogen that just goes

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into the air filter of any diesel engine or petrol engine.

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In the splus concept is as the hydrogen is pulled

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into the natural combustion chain of that cycle of that engine,

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the hydrogen burns the last part of the fuel in

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the combustion chamber. It's not burnt an engine hasn't got

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enough energy to burn, or the fuel and fuel molecules

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burn from outside in. It doesn't explode inside out. It's

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the other way. So as the hydrogen is connected to

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the carbon chain of the host cycle of that engine,

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we give a quicker explosion and the hydrogen aids the

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engine to burn ninety nine point nine percent of that

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fuel and that's all all it's doing. That's that's the

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simplest way of it's of explaining the ecopro It's diagnosed water.

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We turn diagnosed water into hydrogen, goes into the engine

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that aids the total burn or nearly the total burn

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of the combustion cycle.

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Speaker 1: Very good, you are savings and the missions reduction so

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great on paper, but how much of this has an

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independent metrivacation outside company trails?

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Speaker 2: Well, when I started working with Jason, I remember having

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a cup of coffee with him in a pub and

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it's just the year of lockdown and I listened to

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him and it was a lot of information to take in,

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especially when you're not in that field. I knew straight

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away we had to communicate and to get the mc

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m c A and then we started working with the

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m c A and they gave us some brilliant guidance,

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but they said that seeing you're working in this field,

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you have to go and get a class society to

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sign off by class, which is twelve around the country.

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Lloyd's been the most recognizable one. I checked loads of

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emails out explaining what we want to do. One class society,

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come back Rina and we got class and then from

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there we've developed it with the MCA to be recognized.

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So but we've had independent testing done in with universities

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in Newfoundland, in Scotland, in the UK, or England iced

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to say in further Afield, but the proofs in the

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pudding really. So the oldest fishing vessel that we've had

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it on is the Emma Jane and we put that

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on nearly six years ago now and we've no issues,

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no thoughts and saving. So I think for especially for

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the fishing industry, you could have the best, I don't know,

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the best microwave in the world that doesn't move when

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you're in a gal. But you've got to get that

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microwave on that boat to prove it doesn't move in

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a gal if it's on a gimball whatever. So real

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life trialing and testing with owners is the best way

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to get new technology and new innovation in the fishing industry.

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So we approached a few they're all still on there

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and then that gain momentum and the savings is like

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you know with Dave Stevens, I know you had them

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on recently. There's only so many skippers and owners out

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there willing to have a buy technology. One thing you

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cannot do is to shrupt the cycle of that vessel.

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They've got to go to see, they've got to catch.

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So we work around odd hours, you know, fishing is

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three hundred and sixty five days a year twenty four

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to seven. So you work is a a supply, you

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got to work that way. And in the last three

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years we had an article go out the Fishing News.

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We've saved the crystal see two hundred and thirty five

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thousand pounds in three years of a cost after his

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initial cost, which was fifty percent funded. You know, the

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system takes about fifty p's worth of water a week

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to save that amount. I haven't got the figures on hand,

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but I know it was eighty six thousand pounds worth

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of fuel savings and the rest was in maintenance savings

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and oil changes. So you know, if you can get

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a twenty five meter boat saving eighty grand a year

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eighty ninety thousand pounds a year for forty per week

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after the initial cost in the payback period, and it

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comes back down to the bottom line. And it's just

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not Dave's boat that saved money. All the vessels that

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were on even we're on a dredger in the port

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of Bria Stall and she's saving eighteen percent on fuel,

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and some of the bigger scolopers are up between fifteen

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and sixteen percent on fuel and maintenance. So the more

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feedback new innovation can get, the better we can market

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it within within the industry. So it's it's longevity. Six

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years now Ecomotors has been operating in the fishing industry

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and it's been a long six years. But the figures

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can't lie. It just can't lie. It's impossible to adopt

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or adjust those figures. It's coming from the owners operators itself.

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Speaker 1: And the best forum of marketing you can get no

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matter how much you want to spend on advertise in

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world of most beats all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it does you know. I know the fishing

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industry is spread around what is seven a half thousand

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miles of coastline, but you can have a little whispering

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Newlyn in Plymouth and it's in Peter d before you

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know it. So we're a very small community.

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Speaker 1: I used to always discribe it Idrian, just say it

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on a Monday morning, I sneezed on scrubs their market.

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But the next morning and Bulliams get ahead of the flute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, most definitely. And it comes back to

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being credible because when you know, when Jason said to me,

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it says, look, because Jason when when I kind of

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started working ecomotives, they were on transport, they were on coaches,

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and they were trying to break into the HTV market

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in farm machinery. The farm machinery is kept ticking along,

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but we could see the biggest value to help the

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bottom line was in the marine industry. So I went

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out and knocked on doors in you know, even if

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you did go to you know, Nigel and Kevin favors

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of the Emma Chane and you're asking them to put

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hydrogen on their boat where they don't understand it, there's

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a lot of work to be done. It's a little

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bit easier now because people are understanding of technology. But

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if it didn't work, ecomotives could just go back into tractors,

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buses and lorries. But I've still got to live with

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me taking ecomotives to the industry. So I had to

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be confident that it done ats exactly what it's said

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on the tin, and it does basically.

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Speaker 1: How do you've fishermen really feel once it's installed.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's no moving part. It's such a sophisticated piece

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of kit. With our electronics we've got, you know, between

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Jason and the rest of the team, Sam and James,

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they work tireless, always the best it can be. Sole

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process really you you you you phone us or email

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us and lucky enough, over the last three or four

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years we've with really brilliant work from Nathan Derazio down

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in Cornwall there that writes the bids. We're we're just

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a one quote bid too fast and you can get

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support up to eighty percent towards the cost. And once

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it's once it's put on the boat, there's no moving parts.

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All we ask you is to keep an eye up

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on the water reservoir and just top it up with

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water and we'll always make sure that you've got enough

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water to keep it going. But if not, when you're

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filling up with fuel, you can go in and get

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dr and O's water or battery water out of the

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garage and keep it going. So once it's there, it

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becomes a part and parce L you know, you walk

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down on all any of our vessels and it's just

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a part of the engine room. Now it's it's not

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alien anymore. It's become and a part of a marine

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engine's makeup. If you see what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about hydrogen enrichment, improving combustion. Are there

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practical down scenes. Of course, Maintland's crew training that people

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aren't talking about.

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Speaker 2: No, no, nothing at all. We've got to follow a

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build requirement from RINA and the MCA, which is a

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tick sheet we do. We've got to go through on

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our test rigs. So each system is built and it's

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built to a standard because obviously we're talking about safety

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at sea, and then it goes through two weeks of

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testing from the minimum what that boat requires to over

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maximize in that the hydrogen production towards the engine, and

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that goes through two weeks of rigorous that's all monitored

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and then there's a installation criteria and process that we

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follow and that's including crew engineers and skippers training on

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the system, how to isolate the system, what the system

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00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,599
is actually doing. There's a troubleshooting booklet, and we leave

477
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,039
a whole ecomotors ecopro booklet in the wheelhouse for any

478
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,079
MCA visits or anything, so that they know the ecopros

479
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:32,960
on there and it's just part and part of there.

480
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:38,200
So there's no specialized training because they're dealing with water.

481
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,519
That's all they're dealing with is water. They're not dealing

482
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:43,880
with the hydrogen production itself. The hydrogen productions come from water.

483
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:50,079
There's one liter of water produces in and around two

484
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,839
and twenty two liters of hydrogen. So Dave Stephens Crystal

485
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,400
c is only using two hundred and three liters of

486
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:03,880
hydrogen per week. So when it comes to flag states

487
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:10,200
the MCA in over safety hydrogen L E L explosive

488
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:16,000
levels forty thousand ppm, which is a lot. But with

489
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,000
all our testing and when we measured the hydrogen we

490
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,400
do flow tests with the hydrogen, we're at no point,

491
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:28,079
not four percent. We don'e a report with Dave's boat

492
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,079
for us to get to L E L. We'll never

493
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,240
get there. We're nowhere. We never get to an explosive

494
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,079
level with hydrogen because it just will not get there.

495
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,440
We will not produce enough hydrogen. And as of all,

496
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:43,200
if fans turned off the engine running at four revs,

497
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:46,240
we will run out of water even before we get

498
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,480
there because there's a flow switch in the water reservoir.

499
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,279
That flow switch stops, it shuts the system down, so

500
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,119
we never get to well L. So last year we've

501
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:59,720
become SOLASS accredited for solast vessels, which we're working with

502
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,720
companies up in out of Aberdeen on the oil and

503
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,920
supporting the oil and gas fills like you know.

504
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, you do come up to all the standards required.

505
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And we're just nearly completing Lloyd's now as well,

506
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:20,000
so and BP. So we're slowly getting recognized with of

507
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:23,039
a class that we've got a solution that can be

508
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:25,519
put on a boat started up six hours later and

509
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,039
it's meeting the requirements.

510
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, you know the fishing industry well Inrian,

511
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:36,240
it lives and days by margins. So do we you

512
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,279
respond to skippers who say we don't care about emissions

513
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,440
until fuel places drop.

514
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:50,119
Speaker 2: Well, I said earlier, I think obviously we were driven

515
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:56,559
because you're looking at the government's net zero quality, which

516
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,519
is thirty twenty thirty. I think it's jumped up to

517
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:04,039
sixty five for twenty forty and net zero by twenty fifty.

518
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,719
And I sit on loads of webinars, sit in loads

519
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,119
of rooms, and we're not going to get there. We're

520
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,920
just not going to get there. But when you ask

521
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:18,280
the Department of Transport, and I know I'm not going

522
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,440
to mention names, but I work closely with the guy

523
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:24,480
that's overseeing net zero for marine and they're thirty percent

524
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,320
and they don't know where they are now in twenty

525
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,639
twenty six, let alone where they're going to be thirty percent. Now,

526
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,360
if you go to a fisherman, there's certain aspects of

527
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,760
the fishing industry that supermarkets may be looking at the

528
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,079
carbon footprint more so farm Let's say, so there's a

529
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,239
value there because we can reduce your carbon footprint down.

530
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,480
But it's the bottom line again any business, if we

531
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:55,039
were a car manufacturer or we had a fleet of boats,

532
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:58,599
it's the bottom line. And if you can make your

533
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,719
bottom line more healthier, you're working in the right direction

534
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:08,000
any rate. So, but we've tried to approach a sensible

535
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:10,559
you know, my friends in the fishing industry with the

536
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:16,079
two scenarios, right, we can reduce your emissions, but there's

537
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:19,119
an offset against fuel savings. What would you rather have

538
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:24,840
is fuel savings that come out every single time the

539
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:29,360
IMO has made our country into Tier three well from

540
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:34,320
five degrees east and four in Scotland they call it

541
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:37,679
in the Mission Control area the English Channel, North Sea,

542
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,559
Baltic Top of Scotland. Next year, the Irish Sea, the

543
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:44,480
Celtic Sea and the rest of the Northern Atlantic comes

544
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:48,119
into an ECA, So there is requirements from the MCA.

545
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:52,360
You know, a lot of people want to swap out

546
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,000
to a new engine since January January the first twenty

547
00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:01,320
twenty one. But the solutions is not really practical, like

548
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,440
the sers and the add blue systems. So but if

549
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,360
there's a vessel, there got an eight LEXB in there,

550
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,559
and a LEXB is doing its job over the last

551
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:15,079
thirty forty years, you can still better that eight LEXB

552
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:17,840
to be a little bit more fuel efficient. So if

553
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,000
it's not broken, don't fix it kind of thing, you know,

554
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,760
just keep like with sorry Jim with Dave's boat. You know,

555
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:30,800
he's C thirty two. I've not listened to his podcast, yes,

556
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,760
but I will catch up, you know with his top

557
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,400
end overhauls and his four rebuilds. You know, he's got

558
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,840
to thirty six or thirty seven thousand hours and they

559
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,079
stripped the boat down, the engine down this year and

560
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,239
it could have done another ten thousand hours by putting

561
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,599
a little bit of hydrogen in. So that's where his

562
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,840
big savings are. He is in the main.

563
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,159
Speaker 1: He mentioned that in the podcast that it's been all

564
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,440
as he calls it, it's a nobody in it.

565
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So it's a system that can be put

566
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,960
on who will get support from FAST and hopefully when

567
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,320
when FAST is going to lead into the Growth Fund

568
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,639
and we'll still be covered under the Growth Fund because

569
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:20,199
the government's got to start hitting targets. So you know,

570
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,400
whatever the system costs, if you get fifty percent towards it,

571
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,400
like Dave paid, is fifty percent off in twelve weeks

572
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,440
and then the other two years in less eleven weeks,

573
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,280
is in profit. It pays you back, It looks after you,

574
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,440
and you can invest. What's what Dave's invested. You know,

575
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:41,800
he's probably invested in safety, a crew crew safety more

576
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,239
with his money? Is he paid the mortgage off a

577
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,639
little bit quicker with his vessel? You know, two hundred

578
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:49,199
and thirty five thousand pound is not a small amount

579
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:51,920
of money for a company to save in three years

580
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,519
in any business, no matter what you're doing. If if

581
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:57,519
somebody went to you in your own your restaurant says

582
00:37:57,559 --> 00:37:59,039
well I can save you two hundred and thirty five

583
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:02,400
thousands on your operational costs in three years, you jump

584
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:02,599
at it.

585
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,679
Speaker 1: You would My answer would be yes, yes, and yes

586
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,800
again when you're talking a bit that if I could

587
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,039
just less on the on the subject you've mentioned funding

588
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:20,239
schemes like fast making installations more accessible. What stopping those

589
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:27,119
schemes being more universal across the UK countries Scotland, Whils

590
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:28,480
Northern Irelands.

591
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we were lucky enough of the fast scheme.

592
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:40,519
The funding team, we're pretty sensible and open at looking

593
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,400
at technologies and looking for the outcomes to be a

594
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:51,039
little bit wider than just looking at chucking it into projects.

595
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,239
If you see what I mean, then you know, yeah,

596
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,159
we all got to start with a project or a

597
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,679
scientific thing or it's not but at the end of

598
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,480
the day, or the technologies that can aid the fishing industry,

599
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,000
at some point they've got to go commercial. It's hand

600
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:08,639
and hand. What's the point of working four or five

601
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,719
years on a piece of the technology, don't matter if

602
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,599
it's net design, pop design. You know you've got the

603
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:17,519
claw binder designs coming up in you and obviously the

604
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:19,840
netflops and all that lot. We've got to get those

605
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,039
piece of equipment on the boat. So it's not worth done.

606
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,679
When it comes to Scotland, it seems to be really

607
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:33,480
difficult we submit funding applications into Marine Fund Scotland on

608
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:39,840
a yearly basis, we always get rejected and I've brought

609
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,599
the politicians in now in the MPs up there to

610
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,599
find out why. And we've had a response back from

611
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:50,599
Marine Fund Scotland and it might as well go into

612
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,159
Andy Pandy. Really it don't mean anything at all. There's

613
00:39:54,239 --> 00:40:02,679
no substance behind their response at all. No, it's yeah,

614
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:06,760
and we've got a massive there's loads of boats from

615
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,000
the Shetlands to top of Scotland. And you know, I

616
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,719
was talking to Ian rightman this morning. We're going to

617
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,320
have another go with Ian to start with to see

618
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,440
if we can get across the line. You know when

619
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,119
you read into Marine First Scotland they got this blue

620
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:24,599
vision and well then then it's not is it? It's

621
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:28,599
it's a sixteen million pound just opened up there fast

622
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,360
is opening up next month. Where's that sixteen million going

623
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,360
to go in? I think it closes in May. You

624
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:42,000
haven't the operators, the suppliers haven't got an opportunity to

625
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:44,480
get an application in and get it through in such

626
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,440
a short period of time. And it does make you

627
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:51,199
wonder where this sixteen million is going to go. But

628
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,960
you know, if anybody from Marine Scotland listens to this podcast,

629
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,559
with all the innovation out there, you've got to start

630
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,199
supporting the vest to buy this innovation, to make the

631
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,760
industry better for them their bottom line. You know, they're

632
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,440
a business at the end of the day, and they're

633
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:13,880
just not the fishing industry. They're individual families that's trying

634
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,480
to survive and you need to pass and support them

635
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:22,440
by getting you know, the catch cans on the claw binders,

636
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,239
you know the eco pro you know now with the

637
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,599
other company I'm working with, with the prop coneens, and

638
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,920
there's loads of designs there and loads of innovation. But

639
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,519
you Marine Fund Scotland, please let the boats apply and

640
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000
please support them because it's the only way you can

641
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,840
move forward or you're going to waste another sixteen million

642
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,480
quid up there and it's not going to go anywhere.

643
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:50,199
Speaker 1: The other part, which I don't understand, and maybe somebody

644
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,719
could explain it that I'm not getting. There's some part

645
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,800
I'm not getting, but I certainly have to see Adrian.

646
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,599
I'm not getting the seevings you were talking about. If

647
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,480
we wanted to make equivalent savings with her houses with

648
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:12,599
insuliation or something like that. We would not that they

649
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:14,880
would give us funding towards that.

650
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: They would pay for it.

651
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's Scotland. So if we have a house,

652
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,760
they'll do everything they can to reduce all the emissions

653
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,599
and energy of course, but if you go to see

654
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:35,440
they're not interested. I just don't get it.

655
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 2: No, no, I don't get it either. That's what Look

656
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,199
when you look at what's happening in the world today,

657
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,079
you know, over the last two weeks, it's it's got

658
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:53,239
really ugly in it, and we're we're paying the price

659
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,639
for somebody else's and I'm not going to go into it,

660
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,920
but somebody else's thoughts and ideas is affecting every single

661
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,440
person in the UK daily, you know, on energy, and

662
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:08,119
that is now going to start affecting food security. And

663
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,440
what what what you cannot do is give away your resources.

664
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,199
You Okay, we've had to sell fish abroad because that's

665
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:26,639
where the markets are, but surely if it really goes wrong,

666
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:30,760
we need all our fish being landed and used inside

667
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,599
the UK, same as the farmers, every potato they produce,

668
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,440
every strawberry they get, every you know, everything that we

669
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:43,199
produce in the UK. We can feed our nation. Now,

670
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,199
what if it does go totally the wrong way? You know,

671
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,760
you know, going back in the first and second we

672
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,920
first and second World War, we fished for Britain and

673
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,320
we dug for Britain, you know, and we've lost that.

674
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,119
We've lost all of that efficiency and I think we

675
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,760
kind of need it bring it back. So if the

676
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,079
government's up there, don't look after the farmers and fishing.

677
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:12,760
We're going to be in rubbish food. It's really expensive

678
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,159
rubbish food being transported in on motible ships all the time.

679
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: And we know.

680
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: We've increasing the carbon foot blood and increase in the

681
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:23,679
carbon footprints. We'll never get to net zero? Will we.

682
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,039
Speaker 1: Could? Could there be a realistic is this realistic?

683
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:29,559
Speaker 2: Idrian?

684
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: Could we put at risk of creating a two tier fleet?

685
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:38,599
Boards that can access funding and those that can't.

686
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:43,519
Speaker 2: What's happening now, isn't it. The Scottish fleet can't access it,

687
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,039
the English fleet can. And it's come from the same pot.

688
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:51,760
It's the same pot of money. But it's we've got

689
00:44:54,559 --> 00:45:00,280
you know, sensible funders under fast. Yes they've you know,

690
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:07,639
they've researched it, but then why does the outcomes change

691
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:09,559
when it goes across the border to your neck of

692
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:13,960
the woods. I don't know. We can't put our finger

693
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:16,119
on it. And we've been trying four years up there

694
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:18,320
and you know, some of the some of the boat

695
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,960
owners yourself gym that's tried and they get rejected and

696
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:26,280
they don't They asked why the rejected in.

697
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,079
Speaker 1: Can we make us clearly, Drian, it's not just across

698
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,840
the border situation. You're lucky in England and you're we're

699
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,519
lucky and lucky in Scotland. This is decisions that in

700
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:52,159
England it's government approve it. In Scotland, our Scottish government don't.

701
00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:00,719
So it's not something that's ablesm or you're lucky than

702
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,599
we're the poor, hard and people. We could we could approve.

703
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: It as well. Just in my media, who runs is

704
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:11,480
it the Green Party?

705
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: No, No, it's it's s n P Scottish national it's

706
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,760
a nationalist. But they'll do anything they can to make

707
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,159
it more awkward for their population.

708
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: It's yeah, there's a lot of frustration with the with

709
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,119
the industry out there over funding a lot. There's a lot,

710
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,920
you know, and all they want to do is to

711
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:41,760
have the opportunity to get some funding too to invest

712
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:42,800
in these technologies.

713
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: Just not they're laid by environmentalists who have who have

714
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,400
massive ports of money. And if they try to go

715
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:57,679
against them, the environmental groups, all the charities so called charities,

716
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,880
and they'll they'll take them to court and they can't

717
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,280
afford to go to court.

718
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: So it's just a it makes you wonder, Yeah, it

719
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,239
makes you wonder how these people move and eat and sleep?

720
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,679
What are they eating? What are they what they're traveling

721
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,360
around in? You know, they got to get from A

722
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,760
to B. So they're using fossil fuels, no doubt for that.

723
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,559
And then they probably turn up somewhere and they're probably

724
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:29,320
eat in fish and chips, and hopefully the fish is

725
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,320
from the UK. So what do they expect. You know,

726
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,599
we still got to live, we're still human, and we've

727
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:40,519
still got to feed. Now, you can't alienate an industry.

728
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,639
You've got to work with all industries, haven't you, Because

729
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,320
the populations is only going to grow. I read somewhere

730
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,639
by twenty fifty, we need another five million tons of

731
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:57,639
food in the UK to even help support the population

732
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,679
of you know, and this food's got to come from somewhere,

733
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,079
and we've got to put the infrastructure in and we

734
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:08,559
got to support the farmers and fishermen to provide this

735
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,360
food because if we can't, where's it going to come from?

736
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:12,440
Where's it going to come from?

737
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: Arian We have this Scottish Nationalist Party or our government

738
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:24,679
just now and they're they're talking about one independence for

739
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,599
Scotland now in the north. We're righting the far North here,

740
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,280
but it's the same in many many areas of our country.

741
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:39,039
We've had the depopulation of between twenty and twenty five

742
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:45,559
percent every year, and there's one mill's gone up everywhere

743
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:52,039
in our loveliest beauty spots and shore and at sea.

744
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:58,119
It's our best fishing grounds. So it's just beggars belief

745
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:03,480
what's going on. But it's a depopulation. And you know,

746
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,239
in any case like that, the people we lose first

747
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,440
are the younger people, the really people we want.

748
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:15,079
Speaker 2: And the very ones we need to support and carry

749
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,960
on exactly. You know, that's a massive point in it

750
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,360
really is just a rush to the bottom. Yeah, we

751
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,719
need to look at how we recruit, but that's another

752
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:32,480
total conversation. But you're right, we need you know, there's

753
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,119
a thing that's happening in Plymouth that the pair Fassay

754
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:38,440
is involved with at the moment with a national Marine

755
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:42,159
park is called season our schools and it's just in

756
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,199
the Plymouth area. So we go into schools. I was

757
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:51,440
in two schools this week. Year six is in eight

758
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:53,880
or nine year olds in primary school and we go

759
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:58,239
in there with a chef Matt Corner, and we go

760
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,559
in with a fisherman or me and we have two

761
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:05,639
hours with these young kids showing them the species and

762
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,079
we cook a posh fish finger for and what they

763
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:10,559
cook it themselves really chopped the advocado up and do

764
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:16,239
this in so this this week was about seventy five

765
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,400
children and seventy five children was just screaming and laughing

766
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:24,800
and you could see the joy about this fish and

767
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,760
we need we need to keep that kind of instilled

768
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,719
in some which they perform. So the passions there where

769
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,559
we just got to keep it going. And you would

770
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:38,000
hope that one of those kids come out so say,

771
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:42,039
I remember philing in Matt, I'll not walk down the

772
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:46,119
kiss if there's any chores, you know, you just don't know. Yep.

773
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: What's your message to small under ten meters operators and

774
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,480
who simply don't have the carpitals to invest.

775
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 2: Well, what invest in anything or just invest in general? Well,

776
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,400
hopefully you would have thought with this fast funding and

777
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,239
the GROWTHU there be amenity. So I know there's a

778
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,559
lot of work happening to try to provide a network

779
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:18,639
for the small scale fleet, how small that is, you know,

780
00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:21,320
I sit on the steering group with that, and obviously

781
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,559
that's come out of the ISFF to try to give

782
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:30,320
them a bit of a voice. But I personal myself,

783
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,199
I don't think a small boat over a large show

784
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:39,559
it should be any different to access any type of funding.

785
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:41,519
I think it's got to be across the board, isn't it.

786
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:45,119
And you would hope somewhere at that for him, might

787
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:47,599
you know? But you're right to put money in there,

788
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,480
to take money out of the bank to kick start

789
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:55,239
the funding is got to be looked at. It's not

790
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:56,199
quite right, is it.

791
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,639
Speaker 1: I was maybe put it definitely? Do you balance talking

792
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:07,079
about name zero with fleets that don't have the cash

793
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,360
or infrastructure for big up grids? You know that?

794
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: Right? Well, I think it's I think it's the same point.

795
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:20,280
I think it's just hugely difficult. You know. Personallyself, I

796
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,480
think that I might be speaking a little bit at

797
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,639
attorney here, but I think, you know, depending on your

798
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,920
grossings or where you are, I think there should be

799
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,039
one hundred percent funding, you know, And some of the

800
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:36,280
bigger boats, we know a lot of this. These funds

801
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,079
get wrapped up in academia, don't go anywhere, and I

802
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,440
think there'd be a greater value of swapping them out

803
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,480
in supporting the industry. But it is difficult for the

804
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:51,480
small scale, no doubt it is, you know. And at

805
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,840
the end of the day, you know, all the bigger

806
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,519
fleets started small scale, didn't they. We all started with

807
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,519
a punt in the small boat and the industry grew.

808
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:04,320
So yeah, no, it's a difficult question kind of answer, Jim,

809
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,840
Really where we can show that support?

810
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, on the curtains saying sure, marine courtings haven't

811
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,760
been our own. Our marine courtins have been our owned forever,

812
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,639
but you're don't buy us, saying free performance. What's the

813
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,639
real performance edge against the legacy folding tick?

814
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 2: Well, we're start off. It's it's called a coating because

815
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,960
it is it's not a paint. Paint has failure applications,

816
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:45,719
and paint has failure in it. You know, if you paint,

817
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,079
you're railings on a boat and you chuck a chain

818
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:50,440
over it, you check the paint, Paint goes off, paint

819
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,320
goes hard. So a coating is totally that. The assured

820
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:59,440
marine coating is totally a different product entirely. You know,

821
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:01,800
it's the to coach. And I know you've had Mark

822
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,519
and Simon on previously so and obviously they've explained it

823
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:08,719
a lot better than I can. But I've bumped into

824
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,559
a short marine last year, and yet again, the same

825
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:18,440
with me bumping into Jason, I saw an opportunity to

826
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,519
help the bottom line of the fishing industry to be

827
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:26,920
a little bit more efficient. Again, so I've kind of

828
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:31,280
started working with a shore marine and opening up a

829
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,480
few doors in Yet again, you know, the first boat

830
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:38,599
that we went to was a good friend of ours,

831
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:41,920
Mike Ballinger, with the two brothers, to just try it

832
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,119
on his boat and on lead to believe he's done

833
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:48,119
something with you as well. But yet again, when I

834
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,599
spoke to Mike and I explained what I wanted, well

835
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,360
hang on a minute, well just stick it on, see

836
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,079
what happens. And then when we got the confidence of

837
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:01,519
we were worried a little bit if the prop was

838
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:05,079
going to be slipping under toe, and it was the opposite.

839
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:07,800
It was gripping. It was gripping the water really hard.

840
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,119
And it made the two brothers a lot more efficient,

841
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:13,800
up to five percent fuel savings. And he's got an

842
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,679
eight lex gardener in there, but no doubt might explain

843
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,519
that a lot more and lot better than I can.

844
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:21,679
And that gave me the confidence to phone gave up in.

845
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,599
But yet again you've still got to say, look, please

846
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:27,679
give it a go. There's going to be a benefit.

847
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:31,840
And that's what's happened. And now we're just trying to

848
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,679
you know, it's an annual thing and between the two

849
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,360
boats and obviously the other boats that Simon and Mark

850
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,519
done over the last four or five years has shown

851
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:48,400
this reduction in fuel and I think it's averaging between

852
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:51,760
four and five percent, you know, and it's coated on

853
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,719
once a year to give you that efficiency and of

854
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,000
all the work they've done, so it's just another product

855
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:03,000
that I think is worth worth inquiring about. You know,

856
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,519
under a Shure marine, it's not coming under fast it's

857
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,960
at all. It's it's it's a product. It's relatively cheap

858
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:13,920
to stick on your proper depending on your size.

859
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:21,039
Speaker 1: I was fascinated with marsh and Samon who when you

860
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:23,679
think of that when I couldn't get my hair drew.

861
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,880
Obviously I'm not in that. I'm not an engineer, but

862
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,159
it was more important having the coudding and the prop

863
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,000
than the hull. And I just thought that was incredible

864
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,440
when you think of the surfers area of the hull,

865
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,679
compare it to the prop.

866
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like with with Jason, you know, I

867
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,639
never get bored, you know, working with Jason at all.

868
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,360
I can't get bored working with Jason because you know,

869
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:58,880
his brain is just you know, what's what, what is

870
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,719
coming up in future for us? And it's like Mark,

871
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,079
you know, and it's like it's like you were saying,

872
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,559
how do you make that connection? And I listened to

873
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:11,920
his podcast, how do you make the connection from toothpaste

874
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,079
and mouth to the sea. And I don't want to understand.

875
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,679
I don't want to understand that. I just know it works.

876
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:21,880
And it is like with you know, with the ecomotor system.

877
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:25,679
It works, and I think it keeps my brain a

878
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:28,000
little bit clearer when I talk about it because I

879
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:31,880
can't go into the technical side of Mark or Jason,

880
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:38,800
but it's both products can aid relatively cheaply to reduce

881
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,440
and the way the fuel prices are going at the moment,

882
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,800
is there going to be a We just don't know,

883
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,760
and it doesn't seem to be a quick resolve like

884
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:53,519
Russia and Ukraine. This is this is a little bit

885
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:58,280
different this time around, isn't it? So yeah, So yeah,

886
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,599
I don't understand. I understand Mark where he comes from,

887
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:06,920
and I'll tell you what which is which is quite

888
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:12,880
heartwarming really is when I met Mark last year, He's

889
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:19,119
come from a total total on different background to marine. Yeah,

890
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,440
he's had his boat and then all of a sudden,

891
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,599
where does he make the connection from toothpaste and the

892
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:30,119
abs coat is to props. So it's nice that it's

893
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:33,480
like with Jason, it's nice that they've come from different

894
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:38,760
worlds and they're bringing their expertise in to an industry

895
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,039
that they love now and you know, because they all

896
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:46,920
eat fish. So it's brilliant that there's other people from

897
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:51,000
different backgrounds bringing technologies to the fish industry and I

898
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:54,280
think that's quite heartwarming. They're not forgetting that they can

899
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,880
pass their knowledge on and their skills on, so it

900
00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:59,679
is heart woman. I think it's brilliantly.

901
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent behind that. I was asking them

902
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:10,039
when we were dinner recording, how on earth that came

903
00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:16,679
from looking at the mouth and adopted? Yeah, it was amazing.

904
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:20,599
If you look at where the fleet needs to be

905
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,519
in ten years, Indrian, do you see anything that the

906
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:26,559
industry refuses to face?

907
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: Well, you would hope the resilience to face it all.

908
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,760
It's like yesterday when I was on the event with

909
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:41,480
Wendy Chadwick, and you've had Wendy on before, you know,

910
00:59:41,559 --> 00:59:44,960
And it was kind of kind of mentioned on there

911
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,920
that you know when I went to See in the

912
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,599
eighties and nineties, you went to see, you caught your catch.

913
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,119
You know, you kept your log book up together, You

914
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:56,960
dip your oils, check your waters, check the crews, check

915
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,599
your pots and gear, come home land, get the boat

916
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:04,639
ready and go back to See again. But that's not

917
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,000
the case anymore, is it.

918
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: You know, the.

919
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,679
Speaker 2: Everything's thrown at the industry, isn't it now? And you

920
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,840
know you're you're not just a skipper or owner anymore.

921
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,519
Your managers, yourself and Hafty, your eighth jar. You know

922
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,800
you're getting pushed and pulled, you know, monitoring.

923
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm a lawyer and a politician.

924
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:31,519
Speaker 2: You're all of it now, aren't you. And it makes

925
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:34,639
you wonder why you would take a boat to see now,

926
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,960
because you know, all we want to do is go

927
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:43,679
catch land, go catch land. So I think what's happened

928
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:47,440
over the last ten to fifteen, Well, it's evolving every day,

929
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:52,840
isn't it. However, you look at it and we're still here,

930
01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:55,559
aren't we. You know, you still got the boat owners.

931
01:00:55,679 --> 01:00:58,760
That's historic. They've still got boats, they're still going to see,

932
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,119
they're still moving forward and you you know, so you

933
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:05,719
would hope we can still be a very part of

934
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,000
our history of the UK, that we're still here. But

935
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,679
what you said, you know, a few minutes back, is

936
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,000
we got to make the industry look good to get

937
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:21,920
the new generation of fishermen in. In fisher women, I

938
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,320
don't like the word fisher I tried putting fisher right

939
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:31,079
into some of my poetry and it does not work whatsoever.

940
01:01:32,719 --> 01:01:35,880
It's fishermen, So sorry about that. But it's weird though,

941
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:38,480
how a work title can change.

942
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:41,679
Speaker 1: You know, you're just you just have to accept the

943
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,239
agree and you're not done to walk No but.

944
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,199
Speaker 2: Then you still got banksmen. You know, you walk onto

945
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:51,400
a site, or you reverse a tractor around anywhere or plant,

946
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,480
they're still called banksmen. They don't change their title the

947
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,599
work thing. And there's women doing that chop. So we

948
01:01:57,679 --> 01:02:00,119
got a change from fishermen to fishers for christ.

949
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: Well, you know what actually says a bit that she's

950
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,599
as far as she's concerned, she's a female pressureman.

951
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and all of them. I've done a Radio

952
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:13,599
four BBC Radio four program about women in the industry

953
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:16,000
and they're all the same. It's a top job title.

954
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:18,760
It's not. Yeah, it's not for nothing else, is it?

955
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,599
Speaker 1: In or do you see the crossover between fuel tick

956
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:33,760
with ecomotives and surface tick with assured But in recordings, well, you.

957
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: Would hope there'd be back to that bottom line, in't it.

958
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:43,840
It's two technologies. It's making the vessels more efficient. You know.

959
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,679
I can remember when we're trying to make safety at

960
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,480
sea a lot better, you know, in the crab and industry.

961
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:54,719
Touch would we I've had not such a troubled career

962
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,199
at sea, but I did have one of my crew

963
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,559
had a seriously leg injury back in the nineteen or

964
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:05,159
thirty years ago, Saint George's Day this year where he

965
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,400
lost his leg. And then this is when we were

966
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,199
looking to change the technology of the strings of toggling,

967
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,679
and the Euroclyding was the first boat to go completely toggle.

968
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:20,119
Speaker 1: With.

969
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:25,679
Speaker 2: You know, obviously Trevor's passed away now, but I remember

970
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,960
toggling that you're Clyde and steaming up to your neck

971
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,400
of the words for the first time, and then it's

972
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:33,440
kind of now a second nature in it. People tried

973
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,239
the doors, didn't They are shooting away for safety. So

974
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:44,559
we're always looking for safety and comfort in the boats.

975
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:47,719
Were always trying every time a new boat, like when

976
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,960
Nick had the Avenue built, you know, he was always

977
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:54,440
looking to better the last fifteen meter that was built,

978
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:57,440
and everybody's always looking to better and make it more efficient.

979
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,719
So these these technologies are not coming from the boatyard

980
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,159
to come in, let's say, from suppliers, and they're not

981
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:06,400
off the shelf, but they're off the shelf, and it's

982
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,639
harder to adapt technology that's not come with the boat

983
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:14,960
to say, right, put it with your boat and you'll

984
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:17,840
achieve this. So there's a little bit of differency there

985
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,800
from when you buy a boat with everything on there,

986
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,320
you've got the chances to change your you know, like

987
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,199
some of the fridges, and change your gases or change

988
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,239
paints or change whatever. So when you're trying to bring

989
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:36,519
innovation to the industry that's not recognized, it's a bit

990
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:38,440
more of a harder work to try to get them

991
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:43,719
on the vessels. When they show real positive results, can.

992
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:47,039
Speaker 1: They be in for a big leap inefficiency?

993
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I think there can be a big leap. You know,

994
01:04:55,159 --> 01:05:00,599
we're trying to develop the eco pro to adhere to

995
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:03,280
the new regulations. It's going to come along and it's happening.

996
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:05,880
I don't want to talk too much about where we

997
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,639
are with that, but we're moving ahead. So we're always

998
01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:12,360
trying to better that technology to meet what's coming up

999
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,280
in the future, and we're trying to make that really,

1000
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:23,000
really more friendlier for the operators to operate that system

1001
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:26,880
and what we're requiring from them. The better feedback these

1002
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,199
technologies get, the better they can adhere to the market

1003
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,800
into the questions. So we're always developing. It was in

1004
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,760
the office there yesterday and James, our software engineer, was

1005
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:41,840
in there. You know, I don't love many many men,

1006
01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:45,880
but I love James because his software Apart from Jason

1007
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,920
and that but in sam But what James has done

1008
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,960
with our software, it's just phenomenal and it's all in house.

1009
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:55,920
We don't have sorts anything. We build it all in

1010
01:05:56,079 --> 01:06:02,639
house and his software. You know, we're controlling the hydrogen

1011
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,360
from different When we did start it, it was off

1012
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,199
a K and O C sensor, a listening sensor. And

1013
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,159
now we can link into canvas, we can link into

1014
01:06:12,239 --> 01:06:16,920
the to wherever we want to give greater production of

1015
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:22,320
hydrogen for that engine. So all these technologies are always

1016
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,519
developing and it can only develop through feedback to make

1017
01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:30,039
it a better product. Good good?

1018
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: What's the tick? A regular elephant in the room that's

1019
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:44,079
hold in the seafood sector. Back on decarbonization, well.

1020
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 2: I would say to start off with money. You know,

1021
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,039
somebody said yesterday on I think it could be hands.

1022
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,159
It might be I'm saying there's three hundred and sixty

1023
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:58,599
million quid in the pot. I know it's not you know,

1024
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,880
I know certain areas, certain you know, Scotland, Wales and

1025
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,639
Northern Ireland's arguing over the dividend of it all. But

1026
01:07:07,079 --> 01:07:09,280
it's not a lot of money, is it. You know,

1027
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,119
in the big grand scheme of things of what's happening,

1028
01:07:13,159 --> 01:07:17,480
and when you look at other markets, like in Europe,

1029
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,679
I read somewhere last year across the home board there's

1030
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:26,559
three trillion dollars being pumped into net zero in Europe alone,

1031
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,920
not marine, you know, not just marine, but across the

1032
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,320
board or so the UK doing not a lot at all,

1033
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:39,159
but when we talk to other countries with our technologies,

1034
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,880
they're light years ahead of the UK. So there needs

1035
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,599
to be a bit more sensible way in private companies

1036
01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:52,360
like Ecomotives and Short Marine and tom Roster and you know,

1037
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:57,039
they all struggle because it's all right, have an innovation

1038
01:07:57,239 --> 01:08:00,480
and it's alright researching it in the but you've still

1039
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:02,800
got to get that innovation to market and that's where

1040
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,280
it lacks. The funding needs to be there, as I

1041
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:11,840
said before, to support all of this to make the

1042
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,719
fleet more efficient and more safe.

1043
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:21,239
Speaker 1: Definitely, and it's really encouraging and I feel that should

1044
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:28,720
be supported more, and that we still have innovation and

1045
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:37,199
clever people involved and coming up with important we used

1046
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:41,680
to go forward. I think it's hugely encouraging and my goodness,

1047
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:48,279
why they can't people can't see to support. That's beyond me.

1048
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:52,119
Speaker 2: And I tell you what of all the innovation that

1049
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:55,399
can aid the marine industry and especially the fishing industry

1050
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,119
hasn't come out of university. It's come off of perers

1051
01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:06,560
and all private companies. Not I don't there's some innovation

1052
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:11,640
that's come out from Plymouth, but just charging points really

1053
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:17,880
for battery battery assisted vessels. I might be wrong, you know,

1054
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,159
you might get some calls saying, but I don't think

1055
01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:22,680
there's one innovation that's come out of a university that's

1056
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,960
made it to commercialization in the industry. Everything's come from

1057
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,920
private countries, part private companies. If you see what I mean, now,

1058
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,199
what does that say? What does that say?

1059
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,159
Speaker 1: Well for me, if you ask me to see what

1060
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:40,640
that see is Idrian, there's no substitute for experience.

1061
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 2: No, no, You're not going to walk into a university

1062
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:48,359
and bump into Jason Monroe. It's certainly not going to

1063
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,079
be walking into a university and bumping to Mark Edwards.

1064
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,199
It's certainly not going to walk into a university in

1065
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,479
what hands is achieved with his little Signa's twenty one.

1066
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:04,199
It's phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal, but very very very little support,

1067
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,159
and it's like us with ecomotis and what he went

1068
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:12,159
through with the MCA made. The NCAA has got to

1069
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:16,000
be a little bit more open to these technologies. There's

1070
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,680
still at a bit of fingers and funds with what

1071
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,600
direction they can advise in. They can't commercially endorse anything,

1072
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:22,159
as we know.

1073
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,159
Speaker 1: Yes, but Adrian, you know when you mentioned Hans, you

1074
01:10:26,279 --> 01:10:29,720
know Hans as well as I do. But I've spoken

1075
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,760
to Hans since a recent podcast about the courtings and

1076
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,920
you think for all he's done with his electric board.

1077
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:39,079
Speaker 2: And how.

1078
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: Hugely reduced these expenses. But here's him looking at the

1079
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:51,560
courtings because it just keeps going on. Credit to him,

1080
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,960
and I think it's brilliant that you need to encourage.

1081
01:10:57,319 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: But there's not one answer out there. We need to

1082
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:04,039
have a blanket look at this. There's not you know hands.

1083
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,960
You know what he'd done with that sickness work. It

1084
01:11:08,119 --> 01:11:11,239
can fit in certain boats in if the investment was

1085
01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:13,199
there or the funding was there to help that out,

1086
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:15,039
and it will fit in a certain sector of the

1087
01:11:15,119 --> 01:11:21,520
fishing industry. The ecomotor system will generally fit across all engines,

1088
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,840
if it's an outboard or a big ABC or a

1089
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,960
MAC and the big beamers. It will work across the

1090
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,079
home board. Okay, it's price irrelevant against all of it.

1091
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,840
The prop coating, well, chuck it on everything. He ain't

1092
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,439
going to make any difference. Chuck it on a prop

1093
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,239
because that's going to work. And then you've got the

1094
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:44,520
technologies that's happening with gear types, fishing types, other innovations

1095
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,640
for safety you know, are bumped into. Paul it done

1096
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,159
this life float thing to get people scooped out the order.

1097
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,199
I've not spoken to him recently. So there's all this

1098
01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:59,199
out there now that you can phone up in order

1099
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:04,640
on your boat to aid. But it just all needs

1100
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,800
financial support to do. It just needs it in You

1101
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:16,199
just can't keep chucking it to find that one step

1102
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,880
for twenty thirty or twenty fifty. You need to take

1103
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,439
all these little steps to get there. And so that's

1104
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,960
kind of one thing is everything has a purpose and

1105
01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:32,680
anything can do small indications to make your business more

1106
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:37,279
effective and more cost Well, you save the Moneyed.

1107
01:12:37,039 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: Critics work to see hydrogen and regiment systems are just

1108
01:12:43,159 --> 01:12:47,760
marginal improvements. What can you saw them that shuts down

1109
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:49,279
that skepticism?

1110
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 2: Well yeah again it's lucky we don't get bored talking

1111
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:58,000
about hydrogen because me, Jason and Kirsten, the amount of

1112
01:12:58,079 --> 01:13:03,079
times we've repeated ourselves over here, there's always somebody like

1113
01:13:03,279 --> 01:13:09,399
Jason or Mark or Tom. It's got fresh ideas, fresh

1114
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:14,960
ways of looking thing looking at things, and you go

1115
01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:17,279
with it. There's always going to be skeptics. It doesn't

1116
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:19,319
make the difference. If I say to you, Jim myself,

1117
01:13:19,319 --> 01:13:23,800
I've just read that book, absolutely brilliant, must read. You know,

1118
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,840
won't get bored you read it. I think, why did

1119
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,439
you ever put me towards that book? So you've got

1120
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,239
to work on the scenario that you can get the

1121
01:13:32,359 --> 01:13:38,279
message across sensibly, inaccurately that this is what it does.

1122
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:43,000
But yet again, technologies, you know, look at how many

1123
01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:45,119
air friars were sold in the first year in the

1124
01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:48,560
UK and kitchens as soon as it worked, I RECOGNI

1125
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,159
as an air fryer in every kitchen in the UK

1126
01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:55,079
and how or around the world, just like George Foreman's thing.

1127
01:13:56,359 --> 01:14:01,159
It's getting that technology recognize that it's a I said

1128
01:14:01,159 --> 01:14:04,479
earlier that well, I've got a boat. I'm going to

1129
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,800
have all this done to it because we know it works.

1130
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,800
But when you get people me and Jason in Kirstin,

1131
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,920
we always bumped into the skeptics in nine times out,

1132
01:14:14,359 --> 01:14:22,279
the skeptics are the universities. They are academia because what

1133
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:26,319
Jason's achieved and what's marked achieved is not gone through academia.

1134
01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:30,479
And that's the problem. So the only people that we

1135
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:36,279
bump into, it's skeptical, are academia. So what's the point

1136
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:39,279
of going to university for a career in engineering or

1137
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:44,199
future fuels when they don't understand what is around them,

1138
01:14:44,319 --> 01:14:47,840
like you know, and that's firsthand, and it's very disappointing.

1139
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:51,760
So we don't have anything to do with academia at all,

1140
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,399
nothing or two to do with them at all.

1141
01:14:55,239 --> 01:15:03,159
Speaker 1: Yep, we often and all with before decimalization, and we

1142
01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:07,199
used to refer to it as two owns is of

1143
01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:10,560
common sense are better than two pone debrillions.

1144
01:15:11,359 --> 01:15:17,119
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, because there's a lot of

1145
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:18,800
people that can work with the hands, and a lot

1146
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,039
of people can work with their brains. But you don't

1147
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:25,239
need education to have that. You know, it's installed in you.

1148
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:29,920
You know, it's where you are, you know, you don't

1149
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,359
you know, with Jason's background and I'm not quite sure

1150
01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:36,560
of Mark's background, but I imagine he probably did go

1151
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:42,560
university study chemistry. I'm not quite certain. But it doesn't

1152
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:48,039
mean that somebody that's not gone through schooling or academia

1153
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,439
that they're not stupid or silly. They just didn't fit

1154
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,680
into that world. And it doesn't mean what what they

1155
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,720
come up with or what they do is less important.

1156
01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:02,640
It's probably more importan because it's come from you know,

1157
01:16:03,119 --> 01:16:08,079
sensible day to day living, you know. So yeah, so

1158
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,399
that's for an example.

1159
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: Just know, do you see fuel efficiency becoming a survival factor?

1160
01:16:18,319 --> 01:16:20,279
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's it's not going to be.

1161
01:16:22,359 --> 01:16:26,640
It's not gonna the one thing that's going to help

1162
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,039
the industry. It's a certain it's the biggest cost, isn't

1163
01:16:30,039 --> 01:16:33,079
it really for for EF fishing boat to go to

1164
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:38,439
see certain you know, the traing tralling side of all

1165
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,960
is it's a it's a big chunk of their costs,

1166
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,079
isn't it. So it's going to go a long way.

1167
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,319
You know, even if an average boat can save five

1168
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:51,760
six hundred pounds a week on fuel, you know, it

1169
01:16:52,079 --> 01:16:54,079
mounts up, doesn't it. You know? If I know I

1170
01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:57,600
can drive to you for the skipper Expo and save

1171
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,640
fifty quid on fuel driving up there. You would take

1172
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,600
that for sure. So it's a small part of it,

1173
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,000
but it's it's aid in a big part of the industry.

1174
01:17:09,079 --> 01:17:13,720
The fuel burn across the UK is millions of liters,

1175
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,800
millions and millions of lids and millions pounds of fuel,

1176
01:17:17,399 --> 01:17:20,760
and at some point we've got to I don't think

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we'll ever move away from fossil fuels, but I think

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what we need to do is just just burn the

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fossil fuel correctly, or look at other activities to reduce

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01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:37,239
the fossil fuels and not totally move away. Move away.

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01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,039
Maybe there is going to be a magic solution by

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twenty fifty, but I can't quite see it. So let's

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01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:50,079
look at the fossil fuels. Is the fossil fuel is

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01:17:50,359 --> 01:17:54,319
the ecomotis energy to produce hydrogen to reduce So we're

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01:17:54,399 --> 01:17:56,760
taking that, so we can't class it is green hydrogen.

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01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,279
But let the hydrogen do do the hard work and

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01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,840
look after the fossil fuels that we got here.

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Speaker 1: Now, you know, when you see ten years from no

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01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:15,920
boats that survive, be the ones invested early in the efficiency.

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Speaker 2: You would hope. So you know, we haven't got the

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01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,960
figures of the other fishing boats. But look at Dave

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01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,319
two hundred and thirty five thousand pounds for saving in

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01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:32,399
three years. He's paying the same same now out of

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01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,279
a tanker for his fuel as everybody else, but he

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01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:40,800
has two hundred and thirty five thousand in storage. If

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01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,720
you see what I mean. Does it soften the blow

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01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:49,000
through the price heights of fuel? We don't know. Like

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01:18:49,159 --> 01:18:52,000
with my little business, I've had to pull my savings

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01:18:52,079 --> 01:18:56,159
to survive in the darker times. But that's surviving for

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01:18:56,359 --> 01:19:02,399
the future. So just saving on that Crystal Sea give

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01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:07,039
them a stronger footprint through these high prices, you would hope. Yeah,

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01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:09,920
he can. He can soften the blow a little bit easier.

1203
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,079
That's probably what I'm saying. So yes, I think you

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01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:19,199
if you look at it that way, it is probably thinking, oh,

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01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,680
I've just paid one pound five p for mef. You'll

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01:19:22,039 --> 01:19:24,960
hang on a minute. I've saved eighty six so I

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01:19:25,039 --> 01:19:27,199
can soften that blow a little bit more. So.

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Speaker 1: You know, we when we were we were brought up

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01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:39,439
in our appearance. Drum then does look after the pennies

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01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,520
and the pones look after themselves.

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01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's most most true. I can remember filling up

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01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:50,880
in Scherberg in eighty nine or nineteen ninety or something

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01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,279
like that, and we were really disgusted when it went

1214
01:19:53,359 --> 01:19:59,000
to tempeer lyter from eight p. Yeah, and we still

1215
01:19:59,239 --> 01:20:01,960
we still looked drop the revs back a little bit

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01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:05,560
to accommodate that extra twop back then. You know. So

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01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:10,479
a fisherman is always looking for ways of saving money

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01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,600
and there is technologies out there that can aid you

1219
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:15,199
to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. As a man born and bred in the

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01:20:19,319 --> 01:20:25,039
West of England, Idrian, can you tell us what are

1222
01:20:25,119 --> 01:20:30,039
your reviews on the octopus bloom and that's been in

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01:20:30,119 --> 01:20:31,159
your area?

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01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's coming quite hard, isn't it. I know,

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01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,199
I know some of the fishermen that has been struggled

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01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:41,359
with some of the shell fishermen. Certainly it has been

1227
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:48,680
struggling through through last year. I know there's been a

1228
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,960
fair bit of studies looking into this. Is it here

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01:20:53,039 --> 01:20:55,600
to stay? We've had four blooms now in the early

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01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,960
nineteen hundreds, thirties and fifties, so I don't know where

1231
01:21:00,119 --> 01:21:04,000
they are now. I know a few people have gone

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01:21:04,039 --> 01:21:06,880
down into Portugal to look at how they're dealing with

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01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:07,279
it there.

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01:21:07,319 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: And I know.

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01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,399
Speaker 2: I get his name wrong over time, but Bryce, you know,

1236
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,079
has done a bit of a study and I know

1237
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:19,000
you've had him on there. I'm not quite certain where

1238
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:25,039
the octopus is affecting today, but I did have a

1239
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:30,880
brief look, you know, about the Australian model of dealing

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01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,840
with their octopus and they started seeing an increase in

1241
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,399
octopus back in two thousand and two thousand and five,

1242
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,479
and it was effecting theirs. It's not an invasive species,

1243
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,920
it's a homegrown it's a native. Let's say it's a

1244
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,760
native octopus. So the fisherman down there had to adapt

1245
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,479
in Western Australia and Eastern Australia. But over the years

1246
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:55,840
they've managed to get it an MSc accredited species so

1247
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,880
in their markets, like everything is Asia in China, so

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01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,960
as ugly as it is, you know, some people argue

1249
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,800
with the crab shell fishermen made money off of it.

1250
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,479
Yeah they did, but then if they can't catch their species,

1251
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:19,439
their boats designed to catch and it the octopus wasn't

1252
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,239
all over the ground. It was in certain spots that

1253
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:29,039
affected boats differently to other boats. But we all know,

1254
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:33,399
like there's more tuner licenses this year. You know. The

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01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,680
first species, if I remember rightly that really come up

1256
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,880
was the anchovies for the Mediterranean up and do we

1257
01:22:40,079 --> 01:22:43,479
look at adapting to the octopus bloom At the moment

1258
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,560
it's all getting sold on the market and going into Europe,

1259
01:22:47,079 --> 01:22:52,439
But does the smaller does somebody look at seeing if

1260
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,079
we can make it an MS? I know it's a

1261
01:22:55,159 --> 01:22:57,800
long road, but if it's here to stay, do we

1262
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:01,680
become an early adopter in how the Australian fishermen deal

1263
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,520
with it is totally different to how we deal with it.

1264
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,279
Of what YouTube videos of it, they dispatch it. It's see,

1265
01:23:07,039 --> 01:23:10,439
they clear out the final brain or cord and they

1266
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:14,279
they look after the octopus on the boats a lot

1267
01:23:14,319 --> 01:23:18,119
differently and it gets transported straight in and they're getting

1268
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:22,119
a better price for that. So you know, you would

1269
01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:24,000
hope it might not might go back to normal, but

1270
01:23:24,079 --> 01:23:26,000
we don't know, but you've always got to be willing

1271
01:23:26,119 --> 01:23:28,600
to have a look at certain options that's going on.

1272
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,560
Maybe if it comes back hard again this year, so

1273
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:36,640
you know that's you know, so it's difficult, isn't it really?

1274
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:38,840
If it's here to stay like it was last year

1275
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,520
and do the industry adapt or do we try to

1276
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,560
work around it somehow? Yeah?

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01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? Turned on negative and positive?

1278
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:52,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is difficult because there's losers and winners, isn't

1279
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,600
there always always? Yeah?

1280
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: Where can our listeners follow you on lane?

1281
01:23:58,079 --> 01:23:58,520
Speaker 2: Indrian?

1282
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,279
Speaker 1: And do you have us social media presence?

1283
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 2: Yes, my company's not Abing Marine Consultancies, not on social media.

1284
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:16,920
I've got a personal Facebook page and I'm not really

1285
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:22,039
on Instagram. I've only got them to follow other companies

1286
01:24:22,079 --> 01:24:24,399
if you see what I mean in comment or but

1287
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,760
major I'm on LinkedIn, so if anybody wants to find me,

1288
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,560
I'm just on LinkedIn. Is Adrian Bartlet and that's got

1289
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,560
all the details of where you can contact me is

1290
01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:39,520
through LinkedIn. Is that I've found is the best platform,

1291
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:44,760
is a very professional platform. So people can find me

1292
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,279
more so on LinkedIn, or they can find me under

1293
01:24:47,319 --> 01:24:50,600
Adrian Bartlet at Facebook. But I don't really put much

1294
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:51,720
on Facebook, Tim.

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01:24:52,319 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're not one of the bazillions that love

1296
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,399
their laves on Facebook.

1297
01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 2: No? No, I only set up Facebook page because your

1298
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,760
commercial pages have run off your private page, isn't it so?

1299
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,479
Obviously when me and Andy was Crabstop Boys, and then

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01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,399
we had our pop up restaurant, crab Stock and two

1301
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:16,600
smoking lobsters. They were running off the back of that.

1302
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:21,920
So yeah, but I don't really I've even lid about

1303
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,319
me age on this, so I don't get birthday, which

1304
01:25:24,399 --> 01:25:28,640
is lovely. Yeah. You can read what you want into

1305
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,359
Facebook and social media, can't you?

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01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Idrian, isn't it funny? We've got something in

1307
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:44,760
common that we neither of us realized. Remember, maybe we've

1308
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,079
got the little connection with the Fishing News Awards. I

1309
01:25:49,239 --> 01:25:53,600
got the Lifetime Achievement Award in twenty twenty four. You

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01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,600
got it in twenty twenty five.

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01:25:57,399 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose we have, Jim, an't we? Yeah? An

1312
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,239
accolade too. I'm looking at it now. Funny enough. I

1313
01:26:04,279 --> 01:26:06,319
don't polish it as much as I should do, though, Jim.

1314
01:26:07,079 --> 01:26:12,000
But yeah, no, we haven't we. Well, congratulations to you anyway.

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01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 1: You as well, and let's feet it we've got enough

1316
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,319
thought and passionate about the industry. I feel that it

1317
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,199
was a great honor. No, it was.

1318
01:26:23,319 --> 01:26:28,039
Speaker 2: I was absolutely gobsmacked when when my name was getting

1319
01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:30,880
right out like yourself, and it was Sarah that said,

1320
01:26:31,119 --> 01:26:33,000
I think you better move off your seat now and

1321
01:26:33,119 --> 01:26:36,399
go and collect it. And you know, I didn't even

1322
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:38,520
recognize it was me to be fair, but it is.

1323
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,560
It is a massive honor and I don't take it

1324
01:26:42,119 --> 01:26:46,359
lightly by by achieving it, Jim for sure, Like, yeah.

1325
01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:52,560
Speaker 1: And we're entitled to feel that way. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

1326
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,000
Well it's been brought in catching up and hearing about

1327
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:00,840
your Indrian You've had such a really interesting journey. No

1328
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:05,479
already you to send us out with one of your poems.

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01:27:07,279 --> 01:27:12,359
Speaker 2: No thanks, Jim, Yeah, no, thanks for allowing me to

1330
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:17,920
read one of the poems. This one I put together

1331
01:27:18,079 --> 01:27:22,640
for Sarah Coutard for the Insurance Small Scale Fisheries National

1332
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:26,399
slops on which I read out up in Newcastle in February.

1333
01:27:27,079 --> 01:27:30,359
And I think it's quite fit into our conversation that

1334
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,399
we had today, Jim and our chat. So it's called

1335
01:27:34,039 --> 01:27:42,119
a tide worth turning. Okay, along the coastline, tied to tide,

1336
01:27:43,319 --> 01:27:49,840
fishing boats wait for morning rise, not ocean roamas, but

1337
01:27:50,039 --> 01:27:58,439
coastwise true, just steady craft with seasoned eyes. These fishermen

1338
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:03,960
know the sea by heart. It's hiddens turning truths, it's

1339
01:28:04,119 --> 01:28:10,439
changing moods, its tides they're fishing types, each honed as

1340
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:17,399
art bring home the harvest of our coastal seas a lifeline.

1341
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:22,880
Britain cannot ignore a bond of trust in local care.

1342
01:28:24,079 --> 01:28:29,399
In every catch, a story lives of code, hard mornings,

1343
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:34,119
hopes and ropes held tight, of hands that give more

1344
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:38,840
than the sea gives back, and still return to meet

1345
01:28:39,239 --> 01:28:45,680
the falling night. Fishing boats feed towns unseen, keeping harbours,

1346
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:52,239
beating spirit strong. They hold the place in between where memory,

1347
01:28:53,119 --> 01:28:58,680
meaning and people belong. But this way life is fragile.

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01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:03,840
Now we feel it slipping, tied by tide, And if

1349
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:09,000
we're honest deep inside, we fear a coast where boats

1350
01:29:09,039 --> 01:29:13,640
don't ride. For if no young hands learn to take

1351
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:19,479
the helm, no laughter, learning ropes and lines, then empty

1352
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:24,800
keys in broken realms will echo where the tide draws back.

1353
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:30,600
And here's the truth that hurts to say. We're sleep

1354
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:37,319
walking towards a silent harbor, where once filled harbors lose

1355
01:29:37,399 --> 01:29:43,159
their souls. In fishing lies return no more. Because when

1356
01:29:43,239 --> 01:29:49,039
a boat falls silent, it's never just a hull. Its knowledge, courage,

1357
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:55,039
craft and pride. It's a family's purpose, a community's anchor,

1358
01:29:55,880 --> 01:30:01,560
a page of history. Torn from the tide. These families

1359
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:06,159
fed this nation well, sustained us through both feast and fight.

1360
01:30:07,239 --> 01:30:11,239
To let them fade or break the thread that binds

1361
01:30:11,279 --> 01:30:16,800
our coast to what is right. So let us act

1362
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:21,039
while we still can, to back the skippers and the

1363
01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:26,119
crews who stand the coast last line. A fleet that's

1364
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:32,680
strong because it's many, because it's rooted, spread and tied together.

1365
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:38,960
Support the boats that brave the blue, the families mourned

1366
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:45,159
to tidal ground. For keeping them is keeping true to

1367
01:30:45,279 --> 01:30:51,520
feed Britain, coast and crown. And now we garner hearts aligned,

1368
01:30:52,039 --> 01:30:56,359
and now we stand by Britain's coast to face the truth,

1369
01:30:57,159 --> 01:31:02,279
to stand as one too. You're a future for fishermen

1370
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,319
who still hold the tidle line.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Adrian. What a wonderful way to

1372
01:31:12,079 --> 01:31:17,560
end up. Very powerful. Thank you so much, Adrian.

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01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:20,039
Speaker 2: Now, thank you Jim. Always a pleasure.

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01:31:20,199 --> 01:31:23,119
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, and thank you again to our

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01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:28,920
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