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Speaker 1: This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me

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covering Dungeon Crawler Carl Book five The Butcher's Masquerade chapters five, six, seven, eight,

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But but them, Sorry, guys, I just got away from

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me for a second. In these chapters, for once, Carl's

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plan wasn't great. He really overestimated himself this time. There

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are plenty of times where his plans haven't worked out,

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shit's happened, But this is the first.

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Speaker 2: Time that I was like, really, dude, come now. Welcome

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to spoil Me.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you

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very much to Jackie for commissioning this episode. The saraph

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EM's got a comment here in the chat. This opening

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bit summed up, get out there and kill kill kill Wait, no,

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not them. The thing is, though, it seems like they

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want them to do this because of the thing with

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the hands, so I can't even say that. It's like

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they go wait, not them, because they seem to be

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fine with it. Michael says, imagine being donut. She thinks

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she's in for a nice day of relaxing grinding, and

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she suddenly dragged smack dab into the middle of a

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thousand hunters who want to kill her, and like, this

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is exactly what I was so worried about last episode, guys,

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when I said, I love that she's willing to trust Carl,

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no questions asked, and I'm really worried that this is

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going to result in him losing the trust. And it

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literally she says, I am never doing one of your

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plans again until you explain to me what it's about

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to be that goes down. And I'm not mad at

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her for that, For the record, she is right to

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react this way. It just makes me really sad because

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I loved that that was their relationship and it's so

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it's like it just sucks to.

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Speaker 2: Me that it's over already.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just didn't want this for them. So

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let's just start at the beginning. So chapter five we

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get an opening, and that's like pretty much been the

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theme in the past couple books is that the chapter

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opens with like an entry from a crawler in the cookbook.

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I think it's sort of interesting that what we're getting

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into now is a little bit.

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Speaker 2: More of.

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Speaker 1: Uncertain and t where there's a mention of like they

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say that these are all the same floor, but it

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seems like that can't be true because folks previously have

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mentioned such and such, and we don't have those here.

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Speaker 2: There's always.

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Speaker 1: Points in the entries where they're like, things may vary,

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you know, your results may vary. But this is the

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first time that it's like we're being told a thing

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that is untrue. And I find that pretty interesting personally,

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just because why would they lie about it. This is

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not my saying I don't believe you, because why would

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they lie about it. I believe you, but I don't

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understand why they would lie about it.

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Speaker 2: Both of those things.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like, what advantage do they get by

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pretending it's the same floor design every time? And I

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can't think of what it could be. I really can't.

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I I don't know, I don't know. I'm not coming

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up with anything. So that has got my attention a

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little bit. And he mentions that the political landscape is

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the same, and that like the general setup is often similar,

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but it's just that they're details that are very different.

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And he mentions Elves and also Naiads and how both

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of them fucking suck and if you approach them.

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Speaker 2: They will attack.

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Speaker 1: They don't give a shit, and that you know, it's

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like a sort of free for all with them, so

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it is advised to.

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Speaker 2: Leave them the fuck alone.

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Speaker 1: And the idea of like, well, these things are as

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bad as each other.

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Speaker 2: Why do I feel like our guys are.

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Speaker 1: Going to make the fucking Naiads and or Elves the

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center of some plan at some point? There's just something

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about this warning that had me personally going, ah, jeez,

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oh boy, what is that? What are we gonna do?

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I just I got a bad feeling about this. Michael says,

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I've said it before, but I'll say it again. I

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appreciate Matt being willing to put in characters who are

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more competent than Carl. Too many series in this genre

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feel the need to slabber all over their main characters

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as the greatest genius ever. I'm so sorry. It took

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me a moment to understand what Michael meant by slabber

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all over and I get that now. You mean like

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they suck their main characteristick, which is very funny considering

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Carl tell somebody to suck a stick this chapter. Michael

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also says Miriam Dom and Pony are really, really good,

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and I agree, Michael, this is something that I'm not

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this or not, But for the record, there comes a

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point in these chapters where Carl is like, it became

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clear to me that we needed to get away from

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these weirdos as soon as possible. And I was very

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much like, they're just as weird as you and donut

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like there's a weird dynamic here for sure, but there's

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nothing about them that made me feel like you aren't

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safe with them or they don't have your back. So

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for me, their weirdness was extremely uninteresting and very secondary

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to their competence and their abilities and all of that.

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And the fact that Carl was just like, well, we

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need to get away from these guys. I was like, Carl,

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all the thing is considered for somebody who is as

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bonkers as you are, you've got a really low threshold

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for weirdness in other people. Like it just felt weird

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to me, how because he was like this with them

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last time. This is not an isolated reaction for him.

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He just has a very extreme sort of revulsion from

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all of them. Like there's Miriam at one point smiles

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at him, and he had been having that like warm

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feeling of Mom's here to save me kind of, you know,

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and then she smiles and reveals her teeth and he

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is repulsed by her, and I just kind of wanted

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to be like, Bro, they did this to her, though,

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you are being framed in a way that isn't fair

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on all of the wrap ups, because they have an

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agenda in making you not appeal to certain crawlers as

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like somebody that they want to cooperate with. This is

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a thing that they do on purpose.

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Speaker 2: And I just.

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Speaker 1: Felt like the fact that he reacted so strongly to

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her teeth with like, this isn't something that she wanted.

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and she only drinks blood from things that Prepotente has

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already killed because she clearly like just feels a way.

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Speaker 2: About having to do this.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't understand the intensity of his reaction to

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them overall, and I know that I'm getting ahead of myself.

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I'm sorry, but since Michael brought up Miriam and Prepotente,

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I just like there's just something about how harsh Carl

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is toward them that I was genuinely puzzled by, because

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they feel like really good allies to have and they

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have like been there more more than once for you.

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stupid argument with prepotente A, Miriam's like that wasn't very nice, Carl.

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you know, I I don't know. There's just Karl occasionally

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will have priorities in who he deems like cool to

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hang out with or rely on that I don't really

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understand because I thought it was going to be about

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competence and variety of abilities and whether or not they

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are decent people who want to do the right thing,

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and these guys check all those boxes to me. So

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it's weird, you know it Just like I don't even

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know if I want to say that it's out of

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character exactly, because a part of me kind of wants

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to say it feels out of character, but he has

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done it consistently enough that it doesn't actually seem out

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of character. It's just more a strange aspect of his

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character that they don't really understand. Sarah him says, maybe

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he just has an issue with goats, but yeah, this

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is Carl being a bit of a dumb dumb Michael says,

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maybe related to what he said about Lee, Nah, he

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recognized how driven incompetent she was, but he didn't think

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they could party together because they drive each other to

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murder the other. Maybe maybe that's what he meant about,

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just like we have to get away from these guys

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or else I'm gonna kill them.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's that simple.

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Speaker 1: It just it felt much more like a judgment on

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their personality, like that they aren't safe. And maybe I'm

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just like reading that into what he said and that's

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not really what he meant. That's definitely possible, So okay, sorry, sorry, sorry,

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let's back up. Donut as we arrive in the city

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is just like what the fuck is going on? And

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again Carl is like not telling her. I really, look,

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the way that they monitor the plans that the Crawlers have,

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Carl feels like he can't tell Donut because there's a

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possibility that he will be stopped, that zeb will get involved,

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that they'll tell him you can't do this, you know.

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communication that means that they have to work in such

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a way that they don't talk out loud to each

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other about it. I maintain though, that if he had

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really prioritized it, he could have figured it out. They

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have that whiteboard on the inside of the bathroom. He

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could have gotten Donut more on board with this plan,

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and frankly her like, I feel like if she had known,

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there's a possibility things might have gone more smoothly somehow,

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you know. But I just it bothers me that he

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decided it felt it felt more like he was using

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the fact that it's difficult to communicate to make an

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excuse for not communicating, rather than that actually being a

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valid reason. It felt like he just didn't want to

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be bothered and kind of just wanted to do what

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he wanted to do. And she deserves a lot better

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than that. Especially, I will remind you all, bitch is

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low level at this point, Like she is not in

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a place where he should be excluding her from the

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plan and just dragging her along as an accessory for

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somebody who has repeatedly mentioned how low level she is

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and that it concerns him. He's not acting like it

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concerns him. He's just not you know. It bothers me

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a lot that he keeps claiming this is something that

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they need to work on, but also continues to treat

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her like a child. Really, either this is a priority

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that you really feel like you need to work on,

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donuts low levels are partially Carl's fault. That's just a fact.

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but they're partially his fault. And the plans that they

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come up with often do not seem to involve utilizing

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her particular skill set in a way that might be like,

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she has her charisma at this bonker's level, and perhaps

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there was a way that we could have utilized that

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in this mix somehow, you know, But instead it just

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to do here. I correct me if I'm wrong, guys,

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but it seemed like he came in, he had his

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whole plan, and he was just sort of relying on

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her as a backup for defense. But she didn't really

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like the one role is within the move of Predator

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where they both go invisible and she uses her feet

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her heat vision goggles.

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Speaker 2: But other than that.

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Speaker 1: It was very much like he even says, if things

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go bad, just go down the stairwell to the next floor.

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That's really shitty, bro, that you would put her in

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the position where if this plan that you didn't inform

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her of goes left, she has to skip this whole

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floor and go to the next one without having gotten

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to level up or do anything before arriving there, and

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you're putting her in that spot where these are her

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only options. I just think that's kind of like remarkably shitty,

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and it just I will say, there was a moment,

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you guys after the episode, the podcast episode, after I

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wrapped on recording it, and I was thinking about what

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is it that Carl could possibly be wanting to go

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to this city for, and he asks specifically like, go

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take me to the stairwell.

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Speaker 2: In this city.

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Speaker 1: I was almost wondering, is he just trying to get

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to the stairwell to skip the floor entirely, which would

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have been fascinating to do as a storytelling exercise, you know,

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we're expecting that this floor there's going to be a

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whole bunch of stuff that goes down, that the story

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is going to go a certain way, and then maybe

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we just skip it entirely. I don't think that's necessarily

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like a good idea, but it would certainly be fascinating

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and there's a lot of potential within that, you know.

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But it's a very different thing for him to put

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Dona in the position where she would be the only

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one doing that and possibly either leaving Carl to die

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or leaving Carl on this floor alone leveling up and

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doing a bunch of stuff. He's already i think, more

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than ten.

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Speaker 2: Levels ahead of her.

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Speaker 1: You know. It just it just bugged me, man. I

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just did not like any of this. It's really the

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first time that one of his plans, from like top

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to bottom. I felt like I was just crossing my

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arms and staring at him, like, this is your big idea?

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Are you fucking serious? And it's not like nothing in

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this plan works out. It does somewhat still work out.

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So I'm not trying to say that this was a

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complete disaster, but it would have been had they not

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been rescued.

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Speaker 2: He would have died.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what would have happened to Donut, because

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it seems like they were far enough away from the

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stairwell at that point that I don't know she could

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have gotten there in time.

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Speaker 2: So even the fact.

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Speaker 1: That it worked out seems like it was low key,

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not because of his plan.

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Speaker 2: It was despite his plan, and.

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Speaker 1: Just the I'm not used to having this kind of

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like doubt for me in his mind, or in.

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Speaker 2: Carl's mind.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I expect that he has thought things

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through to a good degree, and it just seemed like

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that had not happened here at all. And I don't

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really know what to blame for that. If it's just

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that he's getting he's letting himself get so angry that

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that's sort of overriding his better judgment or what, you

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know what I'm saying, I don't know. Michael says Donut

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would have just joined Katya. No, Michael, I mean that

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Donut wouldn't have lived if they hadn't been rescued and

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Carl got taken out. I don't think Donut would have

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made it to either the the stairwell down or out

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of there right then.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she would, but like they were in a really

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bad spot. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just I am not impressed, Carl. That's

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what it comes down to. I am not impressed. So

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and the whole plan is basically that he wants to

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sneak in and set some bombs up. They are going

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to be like, He's going to be able to detonate

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those when he needs so he thinks he does not

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count on the interaction of other people in the environment

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with the bombs that he has to leave unattended, which

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it turns out lowers their stability significantly and makes them

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liable to go off at a time that is not ideal. Also,

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what Carl does not bet on is that there are

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going to be traps everywhere. It's really kind of like

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obvious when you stop and think about it. Of course,

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all of these hunters are going to be aware that

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they're going to be crawlers who try and come at them,

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So of course they have traps in place around like

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the main city where all of them hang out where

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they are drunk and completely have their guard down like

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of course, you know, but it doesn't occur to Carl,

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and he isn't good at adapting. Once he realizes that

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the traps are in place. Later on, they are fleeing

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and he winds up running right into one of the traps,

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and despite having that ability that warns him, he's going

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too fast and he's not able to stop, so they

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set one off right away. And this is the sort

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of thing that it's just like he just got a

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little too cocky and really seemed to think that he

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knew every bit of how this all was going to

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go down and didn't like consider how the people who

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have done this, probably many times, these hunters, how they

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would be prepared for exactly the kind of assault that

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he's attempting to pull off here. Seraphim says, I do

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think it's mostly him just focus on focusing so much

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on hurt the people who are trying to kill us

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that he's overlooking a lot else, And I agree Seraphim.

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Michael says, they were already out out of the city right.

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If I recall, Carl collapsed once they got outside. He collapsed,

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but they were like people converging on them, so like

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it it could he they were not in the city proper,

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but like if it maybe maybe she would have been fine.

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I don't know. It just feels like considering how close

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they came.

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Speaker 2: It just it is.

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Speaker 1: Whether or not she would have survived in the end

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is sort of a moot point in just that it

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would have been very bad for her, and he just

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doesn't seem to really care. Yeah, Michael says he was

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very lucky. The trap he set off was an alarm

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trap and not one of the immobilization ones. The people

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converging on them were Miriam Domin prepotente, right, that's what

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I remember. Well, there was somebody firing on him with

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bolts that was like under an invisibility spell. And I

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can't recall if once they leave, once they get outside

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of the city limits, is that person not able to

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pursue them further or I don't remember exactly how that works.

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But anyway, so he sets this up and what he has,

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what he decides to do is he wears the Ring

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of Divine Suffering, which I genuinely was a little startled by.

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I don't know about you guys, but I I didn't

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think that his plan was going to involve that ring as.

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Speaker 2: The first step.

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Speaker 1: I was expecting if he ever had to use this,

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that it was going to be something he got pushed

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to and did against his own better judgment, knowing that

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it was maybe a mistake, but that he was in

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a really desperate spot, sort of like with the Gate

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of the Pharaoh Gods, where it's just like I have

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it if I absolutely must, I'd rather not, and so

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I will mostly discount that as an option unless there's

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not a better way to do this. But instead the

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whole plan revolves, it seems, around him wearing this ring

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to begin with. So, okay, everybody's telling me that the

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hunters can't leave the city yet, and I think that

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there's because like when Karl gets out of the city

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and looks back, he can't see them, and he can't

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see the road or anything. So I guess because what

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I was thinking is if somebody is firing on them

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with crossbow bolts, that they could keep firing on them

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even after they have left the city.

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Speaker 2: But I guess that's not.

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Speaker 1: Their vision is occluded the same way that Carls is,

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and they can't see outside the city to shoot him either.

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Speaker 2: So okay, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: So he uses the ring, and the way that it

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works is that you mark somebody for death, and until

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they are finally killed, you suffer a d buff and

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there is a foot like a toe ring that he

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got as a prize earlier on that uh does a

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it's a super spreader.

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Speaker 2: So what he.

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Speaker 1: Does is puts on the ring marks somebody gets the

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de buff and then uses the ring or uses the

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toe ring. I'm having to really differentiate between my rings here,

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so that when somebody comes and attempts to attack him,

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he kicks them, hits them with the de buff and

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that will, in his original plan, spread to a lot

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of different people, right, and unfortunately there's only one person

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who gets.

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Speaker 2: Hit with it.

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Speaker 1: My assumption is that the super spreader thing, it infects

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them with the same version of it as him. So

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once he kills this guy, their de buff also goes away.

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Speaker 2: And there's just a lot.

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Speaker 1: About Carl in this scene that's really unnerving.

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Speaker 2: The way that he taunts this dude about like you

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want to know a secret, your.

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Speaker 1: Bait, The gleefulness of it, it was really upsetting. And

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I'm not saying that Carl hasn't got the right to

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be angry or to do all of this.

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Speaker 2: I'm not arguing.

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Speaker 1: That it's simply the excitement he seems to feel about

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it is. It's just extremely creepy like I wasn't ready

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for the joy of it that he is clearly feeling,

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and it's it's again one of those things where.

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Speaker 2: It's like that is not.

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Speaker 1: Unreasonable when people have done to you what they have done,

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and these folks are here to treat it like a vacation.

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They are here for the fun of killing you, guys,

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actually killing you. That is a really really it's the

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kind of thing where it's difficult for me to even

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wrap my mind around how I would feel about people

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doing that, because it is so monstrous that I can't

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even fully comprehend it. And thus, again I am trying

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not to police how Carl is feeling. However, I can't

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help my reaction to it, and I was a little

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revolted by it. If I'm being honest, it may just

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be kind of.

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Speaker 2: An issue that I have to deal with.

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Speaker 1: That like, if you are trying to take down an enemy,

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doing that is going to involve no small measure of

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satisfaction in certain ways, you know, and that the people

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that you are partnered up with to do this sort

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of thing might take more pleasure in it than you do.

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But it's hard to see it coming from a person

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who has for the most part, it feels like been

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so guarded that when he has let that down in

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this scene and just like is jubilant at killing these people,

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it's jarring to see. This is the first time that

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he's going up against folks that he considers complicit in

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all of this. Everybody else that he's gone up against,

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the only exception being Loita, who doesn't care out because

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she wasn't in the game. She was an appendage of

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the game, and him taking her out like there was

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a particular satisfaction because of the way that she was going.

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She was fucking with him and Doughnut specifically, she was

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party to the torture of Zev's family that was really

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really personal in a way that being jubilant at her

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death felt like I got it and I was one

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hundred percent there with.

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Speaker 2: Him and behind it.

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Speaker 1: With these people, it's there's still one hundred percent complicit,

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but it's it's an indirect sort of thing in certain ways.

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So the vibe of him going at them with this

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energy is really different.

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Speaker 2: And again.

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Speaker 1: That indirectness is very temporary because soon these people are

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going to be explicitly going after Crawl, So right now,

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coming at them, this way.

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Speaker 2: There's just a part.

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Speaker 1: Of me that's sort of like, oh, this feels really icky,

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but is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it? It's really not. You're doing what the game.

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Speaker 1: And this is the argument that he has with himself later,

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where he's like, I am playing the game as they

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built it and set it up. I am doing the

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thing according to all of their rules. And if they

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feel a way about it, then they had better go

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in and change those rules, which they will do probably

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in a lot of cases.

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Speaker 2: But it just it.

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Speaker 1: There are certain things that I think many of us

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in this day and age are trained to clutch our

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pearls over and I like to interrogate that reaction because

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I think in many cases we have been trained to

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clutch our pearls so as to discourage any rebellion or

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revolt of any kind. It is a tool of the

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oppressor to have us like be like, you shouldn't be violent,

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Yes you should. Any revolution that succeeded like it was

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a result of violence, with the exception of like one,

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and it is held up often as like proof despite

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it being objectively an outlier. So when I have this

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response to Carl and I'm just like, yikes, dude, I

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really do like to step back and be like, why

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why am I feeling this way right now? Is this

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even valid? Then I'm reacting like this, Like do I have.

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Speaker 2: The right to react like this?

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Speaker 1: You know? And honestly, I don't think I do. I

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don't think I do.

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Speaker 2: I think what Carl is.

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Speaker 1: Doing is right and his reaction is fair. It's just

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it turns my stomach a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It just does.

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Speaker 1: And probably were I in his shoes, it would not

481
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at all anymore. If I were any crawler, I would

482
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,359
probably be fucking fist pumping right along with him and

483
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:23,640
loving him, taunting them and all of that. I think

484
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:29,400
it's just really hard for me because we have dealt

485
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,799
with so many other characters that he has been up

486
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:37,839
against earlier in these books. It's just hard for me

487
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:44,680
to differentiate that these aren't NPCs, these aren't victims. They

488
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,000
are part of the regime doing.

489
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,599
Speaker 2: This to crawlers.

490
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: And so I think I'm having difficulty making that switch

491
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,519
in my mind and not seeing what he's doing as cruelty.

492
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:03,039
It's justice in response to you know. So I think

493
00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:04,880
that's kind of just where my hang up is. Is

494
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,960
like we've literally never encountered any of the people who

495
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,400
are part of the party in power here in the game.

496
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,400
And so I'm having just a bit of like a

497
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:21,799
stumbling block to processing what all this means and the

498
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:25,000
fact that these people are like genuinely dying. This is

499
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,359
not an in game dying. This is dying dying.

500
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's the.

501
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: Whole way that like this winds up going down is

502
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,480
it's in combination with the traps that he was not

503
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:47,759
prepared for, and the there are spells that are going

504
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:53,559
off obviously in response to him and donuts presence, like

505
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:58,359
people are tracking them, and I thought that was particularly interesting.

506
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,960
This is evidence of the fact that somebody is sharing

507
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:08,119
outside information, just as he complained, and he complains loudly

508
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,119
and often, as he puts it. Later on we find

509
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:15,599
out that he talked about this with his lawyer and

510
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,239
they wind up getting rid of the h being able

511
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,320
to see the chat because probably it was just way

512
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,760
too easy for people to share information and cheat using that.

513
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,400
And but there's still of course going to be other

514
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,920
ways to cheat and share information, and you know, fuck

515
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,280
somebody's entire time up. So yeah, there's no way that

516
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,840
anybody should know they're here, know to cast this spell.

517
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,599
To find them, but they do somehow, and that's also

518
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,960
something that really winds up like eating into the time

519
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:56,239
that he had planned on being able to utilize here,

520
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,800
because the point is to get this one guy, use

521
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,760
him as bait, and then get everybody coming at him,

522
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,719
because his goal was to find the mayor and take

523
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,000
that person down and then he would be the mayor,

524
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,400
which not a terrible idea in theory, it's just the

525
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,760
plan itself on how to accomplish this is just really

526
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,360
not thought out well. And the way that it works

527
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,519
as well, with like the safe room and the personal space.

528
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: There's like one bar. This strip is.

529
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: Filled with pubs and stuff, but there's only one that's

530
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,239
a proper safe room, so they have to flee there

531
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,400
when the bomb goes off, and the doors to the

532
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,159
personal spaces are like in a hallway of that bar,

533
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:58,960
so the hunters could in theory just like camp out

534
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,639
outside the door of their personal space and wait for them.

535
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,559
So they can't just go hide out. They have to

536
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,239
go in to escape the bomb blast and then immediately

537
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,079
leave again and relocate to somewhere else where the hunters

538
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:14,400
can't find them, which hadn't.

539
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: Occurred to me.

540
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,079
Speaker 1: I really kind of thought, Oh right, they can just

541
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,679
flee to their personal space. That's nice forgetting that there's

542
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,360
like a physical door that exists that people can come

543
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:30,960
knock on, you know. Yeah, it's a real moment when

544
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,480
they flee in there and Donut mentions the city name,

545
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:39,239
I can't remember it, and Mordecai is just like, wait,

546
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:47,440
we areware and loses his entire tiny little mind. So

547
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,280
when they flee is when Carl winds up setting off

548
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,000
a trap because he's running too fast to catch it

549
00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,719
with his ability, and somebody it's him.

550
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:02,119
Speaker 2: With a crossbow bolt.

551
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:05,599
Speaker 1: They are using an invisibility spell, and when they hit him,

552
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,440
that bolt has a spell on it that slowly drains

553
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:16,400
his health and also leaves a trail behind him of blood.

554
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:18,079
Speaker 2: It makes it so that.

555
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,199
Speaker 1: Even if his health goes back up briefly, it just

556
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,400
continues to drop back down again, and the trail of

557
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,000
blood will make him easily trackable, which at this moment

558
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,440
isn't super helpful to them because they can't leave the city.

559
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:43,360
But nevertheless, and they wind up getting rescued by Prepotente

560
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:48,519
and Miriam because they once again interrupted a fucking spell

561
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:52,320
that these guys were working on, but Prepotente is the

562
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,239
one who's pissed about it. Miriam is really like it

563
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,840
wasn't going to work anyway. Somebody was already noticing and

564
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,960
and intervening, and I think that we were going to

565
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,159
have to split any second as it is. So, Yes,

566
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:11,360
it's annoying that you interrupted a spell again, but it's

567
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,960
really not a big deal actually in the end.

568
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to jump ahead to this point. Sorry, guys, I.

569
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:25,119
Speaker 1: Forgot how to stop doughnut sweetie, do not touch the bolts.

570
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:27,639
Oh my, that is a lot of de buffs. I

571
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:30,119
will help, he will be okay. We are safe here,

572
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:36,880
trust me. Somebody screamed, which is of course Prepotente. Chapter

573
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:43,400
six opens with the the entry about the mercenaries and

574
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,599
that they are there are so many like appendages to

575
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:51,840
the contract and so many like rules about where they

576
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,960
can be located and not that it makes working with

577
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:59,760
them almost not really worth it. And I found this

578
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:02,119
compelling in light of the fact that we have our

579
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:05,159
mercenaries now that work with us, that we don't have

580
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:11,599
to deal with those particular difficulties with necessarily, at least

581
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,920
when it comes to like payment and stuff. But there

582
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,639
are certain ways that they function that I'm like, I

583
00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:17,280
don't know if that.

584
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,039
Speaker 2: So let's see.

585
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: If they die, you can't loot their bodies, and our

586
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:24,920
contract stipulates you have to pay their daily rate for

587
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:30,599
the rest of the floor, which is kind of bogers. Second,

588
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,239
it's easy to lose them. If they leave with me,

589
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,679
it's fine, the door opens and we walk out together.

590
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:40,280
Otherwise it automatically defaults to the last place they entered,

591
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,920
as if they were a regular crawler. So if they're

592
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,400
not right there with you when you exit, they could

593
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,360
end up three or four safe rooms away. One of

594
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,199
our guys left and never came back. He's still alive

595
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,480
and I can see him in the chat. But the

596
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,119
prick is just wandering around some town having a good

597
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:58,119
old time. And I can't even fire him because you

598
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,119
have to bring them back with you to let them go. Oh, plus,

599
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,920
their levels mean next to nothing. My forty orc is

600
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:06,760
a better fighter than my fifty dwarf who is now dead.

601
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,760
By the way, twenty two more days at fifteen hundred

602
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,400
gold a day.

603
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: The whole thing is a scam.

604
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: I have to agree.

605
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: That's bonkers.

606
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: Like this is very much we are pretending that this

607
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,000
is an advantage to you so that we can continually.

608
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: Rip you off.

609
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,679
Speaker 1: And as we see a little bit later with the

610
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,159
way that they have changed up how big your party

611
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,760
can be and this guild thing. Every time the Crawlers

612
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,199
begin to figure out a way to have some sort

613
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,079
of advantage, they find a way to take it and

614
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:42,119
make it so that you have to pay for it,

615
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,679
which is also exactly how things always work. We can't

616
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:51,679
have people outsmarting the system. The system will always adapt

617
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,239
to capitalize on whatever it is and exploit it, you know.

618
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,519
So let's see him trying to find the spot where

619
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:08,199
him and Prepotente get in this argument. Oh and there's

620
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,800
a moment where he's looking at Bianca, the goat that's

621
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:16,079
gotten to the size of a cart horse, and it

622
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,079
gets bigger and bigger every time it levels up until

623
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,480
it reaches level fifty. Eventually it will grow wings, It

624
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,679
will be scary as shit. It will also be one

625
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,800
of the most powerful badass pets available within Dungeon Crawler world.

626
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:31,599
And Doughnuts like they make her sound mean, but she's

627
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:35,039
sweet and I really wouldn't mind spending a little more

628
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,159
time with Bianca. I think she seemed kind of dope.

629
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,519
Speaker 2: But and.

630
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,679
Speaker 1: Let's see new achievement. You cross the line you didn't

631
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,519
even know what was there. You used an artifact of

632
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:55,199
divine suffering for the first time. Hopefully there aren't any

633
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,559
unintended and unadvertised side effects of using such a powerful

634
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:03,880
and eas magical item. Which when Dona is telling Carl

635
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,639
how mad Mordecai is that he used this, she says,

636
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:13,320
Mordecai has mentioned that it is addictive somehow, and I

637
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,639
don't remember if that was mentioned before. I think it was,

638
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:26,960
but I can't fully remember. And Carl is just really

639
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,199
not taking that seriously enough in my opinion. I get

640
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,920
that it's just like extremely inconvenient to his plans and everything,

641
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:41,079
and that sucks. But I don't know if you think

642
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:47,000
you're going to be able to outsmart the results of

643
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:51,199
this device, Carl. I don't think it works that way.

644
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,599
I don't think that this is like a willpower thing.

645
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,280
I think that they do something physically, probably to your

646
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:06,079
body chemistry, like heroin does, and I am concerned about it.

647
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:11,880
And there is a whole thing later with this, like

648
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,480
sound in the back of his mind that he acknowledges

649
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,079
having been there. His whole life basically that I was

650
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,559
sort of, hey, what's that about, buddy, And it's just

651
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:27,159
he like barely looks at it before turning away, you know,

652
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,079
it's just barely mentioned and then.

653
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,679
Speaker 2: Sort of yikes.

654
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:38,559
Speaker 1: And there's also a moment when he's sort of like,

655
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,679
I can't remember if it's here when he's down and

656
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,400
trying to like wake wake up, or if it's later,

657
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,159
but he has a sudden memory of like going into

658
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:55,239
the basement on his birthday that day and finding his mom.

659
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,039
So we knew that she had killed herself, but I

660
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,960
don't think I realized that, like she had killed herself

661
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,159
and he had found her. Everything about his story gets

662
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,519
worse and worse, y'all. And it's like just the fact

663
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:16,559
that it's on his birthday as well, like why it

664
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:22,039
what you thought this was like good for him, ma'am?

665
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,639
Speaker 2: Did you really? Did you really?

666
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,519
Speaker 1: Or did you just want out and told yourself what

667
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:32,639
you needed to tell yourself to make it so that

668
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,920
you weren't inflicting hideous trauma on your son, Because it

669
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,760
feels to me like it's more that second.

670
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: One more than likely. But yikes.

671
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: So here here's the achievement that I did really like

672
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:55,320
the delivery from the audiobook narrator, You've permanently killed a

673
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,079
non crawler biological. They ain't just dead, they dead dead

674
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,559
their children and are now orphans. Their mothers are gnashing

675
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:05,800
their teeth and cursing your name, and you're just sitting

676
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,079
there all alive and shit and girlfriend, I am all in.

677
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 2: That was pretty good. That was pretty good. It's rare

678
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,920
that the AI gets me to like genuinely laugh, and

679
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:24,199
that one got me. So yeah. A lot of the.

680
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: Like achievements are just about how many people he has

681
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,320
just killed, the volume of people, you know, all of that.

682
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,639
He finds out about how many were NPCs, and that

683
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,199
was more than two hundred, and he's like, it doesn't

684
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,039
bother me, and that's probably fucked up that it doesn't

685
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,880
bother me, But I genuinely believe that these NPCs are

686
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,079
better off dead, so, you know, like it is what

687
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,079
it is, and he thinks, this isn't on me.

688
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:54,039
Speaker 2: They started this.

689
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: These are their rules their game, which I find interesting

690
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,440
that he's like, they started it, and later when he's

691
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:05,400
arguing with Prepotente, he says something about how like, well

692
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,039
he started it, and then immediately is like I sound

693
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:15,119
like such a little shit. Is that what we're like

694
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,880
kind of trying to say here that it's is saying, yeah,

695
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,760
well they started it justifying all this. I mean, it

696
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,159
would be one thing if you were targeting people at

697
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:32,079
pubs in the real world who are just living their lives.

698
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,440
These people are here to kill crawlers explicitly though, So

699
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:39,440
I feel like it's like that those things don't really

700
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,159
compare to each other, and maybe the author didn't mean

701
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,599
to compare them, and it's just a coincidence that those

702
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:50,119
things sounded so alike to me. But I just wanted

703
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:54,760
to acknowledge it because it got my attention a little bit. Uh. So,

704
00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:01,199
let's see Zev chimes in here and is saying that

705
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,159
their numbers are crazy right now, and she says there

706
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:09,519
will be additional security protocols put into place before you're transferred.

707
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: This was not my doing, and.

708
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: It applies to all crawlers. As long as you're not

709
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,760
attempting to assassinate me or a member of Odette staff,

710
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,519
you shouldn't have to worry. Also, I'm being asked to

711
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,920
tell you ventions of the Daughter is still active and

712
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,079
that you shouldn't participate with other elites. You figure out

713
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,320
a way around it if you make a good faith

714
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,920
effort to extricate yourself. I don't see it being an issue.

715
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:39,440
And they talk a little bit about the shows that

716
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,880
they go on with Miriam, and she goes on something

717
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,920
called Plenty of Plenty. Pony doesn't do too well on

718
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,280
these programs, but he's okay when there are other goats around.

719
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,159
Pony likes it because they allow his brothers and sisters

720
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,079
to come out, and they have new plants for them

721
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:57,280
to try each time. The last time they had no treats.

722
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,559
I find the program a bit unsettling, but it helps

723
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:06,199
Pony relax. I have ten unaltered boers and pet carriers

724
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:10,400
in my inventory, and I thought in the audiobook that

725
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,880
she said bores, But I'm realizing like this, looking at this,

726
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:23,039
it's spelled brs And when I am looking it up,

727
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,280
I'm getting Dutch and Huguenot population that settled in Southern

728
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:33,000
Africa in the late nineteenth century. I feel like, that's

729
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:34,440
not what this author meant.

730
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: So if anybody wants.

731
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: To inform me what that means, let me know. But

732
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,519
she says it's unsafe, and so she keeps them in

733
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:49,760
pet carriers all the time until they get into like

734
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,079
their personal spaces.

735
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: So this is the.

736
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,159
Speaker 1: Point where him and prepotentai in an argument. He sets

737
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:05,599
off all the traps in one shot, which, uh, it

738
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:07,719
just lets them know where traps are, but it doesn't

739
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,679
actually like disarm the traps, as we know from the.

740
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: Description of it.

741
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: And after they get in this argument, Miriam insists that

742
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:27,519
they like hug and make up, and Prepatente is one

743
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:33,639
down to do this and actually comes up and hugs

744
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,679
Carl and then afterwards behaves like.

745
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: They are besties.

746
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:45,559
Speaker 1: And I really love this a lot, guys. I love

747
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:51,679
that Prepitente has the abilities of like a two hundred

748
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,880
year old age but apparently like the emotional capacity of a.

749
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: Six year old.

750
00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:02,119
Speaker 1: It's just such a weird cas and that he like

751
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,199
obviously looks at Miriam as mommy in a very literal way.

752
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 2: It's just very funny to me.

753
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: And you know, done up being in his chat being

754
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,760
like you better hugim more else you're gonna look like

755
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:16,760
real asshole.

756
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: She's not wrong, So.

757
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,039
Speaker 1: Let's see. I'm trying to get to the because there's

758
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:30,360
like all kinds of stuff to talk about that I

759
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,039
I could.

760
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: Spend a bunch of time.

761
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: They wind up in a safe room that's actually a

762
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,920
Whata Burger, which, uh water burger is good, but it's

763
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:45,000
wildly overrated. It's one of those things that like it's

764
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:45,760
talked about.

765
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,559
Speaker 2: Like, oh, you gotta go, man, but if you go, you.

766
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: Are going to be kind of like, I mean, it's good.

767
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: I guess it's fine.

768
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,679
Speaker 1: It's not earth shattering by any means.

769
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: It's just like.

770
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:06,119
Speaker 1: Just different and mostly not that different. But I understand

771
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:09,960
whenever you hear about a place that's like familiar, being

772
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,719
in one of the safe rooms, that you'd instantly go,

773
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,199
oh my god, get me blanklyink blank you know.

774
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: And there's a.

775
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: Conversation between because like Katya has come back and she

776
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:26,480
has brought Lewis and for Us with her, and they

777
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:32,159
talk about like him getting engaged. Chris and Clayton were

778
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,000
not there. Katya said they were outside in the bar

779
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,119
waiting on Team Metal Luck, who was still making their

780
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:44,880
way to the town. And when Donut is heading to

781
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,760
the bathroom, she's like stopping Mordecai and she says, look,

782
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,639
we all know what you're gonna say. I've told Carline

783
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,280
pissed and I just want to get this out of

784
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,840
the way. Yeah that was fucking idiotic, and yeah it

785
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,280
was suicidal. I'm not abandoning him. Yes, he's gonna tell

786
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,840
me the plans from now on. We are not going

787
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,440
to split up or have some storyline where we.

788
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: Have to get back together.

789
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:16,079
Speaker 1: You're just gonna have to get over it. So don't

790
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,280
say you don't know what you're dealing with. And I

791
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:26,519
did enjoy this very much. So then we go to

792
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:32,519
chapter eight where Carl is realizing that he this is

793
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:37,079
the part where he's talking about this thing in his mind.

794
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,719
So I'd run out of books to read. I needed

795
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,320
a new outlet. But more importantly, I needed to rest,

796
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:52,119
not sleep, rest, like really rest. Most of the time

797
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,280
while I was idle, I was actually writing in my

798
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,599
third scratch pad, composing thoughts for the cookbook. It just

799
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:03,599
dawned on me that I was spending every free moment working.

800
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:06,039
Even when I was playing Frogger. I was really just

801
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:09,280
on autopilot and writing stream of consciousness words straight into

802
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,480
the draft section of the scratch pad, planning scenarios, theories,

803
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:16,559
recreating others, recipes and comments from memory as an exercise

804
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:19,400
to make sure I could recall them. My brain was

805
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:25,039
always working, turning everything over and over, which is frankly

806
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:28,519
also how I am. It's just when I heard that

807
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,239
there are people whose brains can like kind of just

808
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,360
go into idle mode, I was astonished because I just

809
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,239
never thought that was something anybody could do. I thought

810
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,840
everybody was like I am. And it turns out like

811
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,599
there are plenty of people out there who are like

812
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:46,119
I am. I'm not alone in that. But I just

813
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:50,039
thought this was like just how it is, and evidently not.

814
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:57,920
I am very jealous. Recently, I'd been noticing something hidden

815
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,239
in the back of my mind. It was difficult to explain,

816
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:06,360
almost like there was a bubbling, meandering stream hidden back

817
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,760
there in the weeds of my brain, nestled deep deep down.

818
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,559
It had always been there, which meant I was so

819
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,760
used to the quiet murmur of the stream I never

820
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,440
noticed it. But recently that sound was starting to get louder.

821
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,639
Only it wasn't a sound, not really. It wasn't even

822
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:31,239
a physical feeling, just a sense of flow, and that

823
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,880
sense was changing, rising in volume. It had gone up

824
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:38,760
just a hair but it was enough for me to

825
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,480
finally notice. I'd only found one way to mute. It

826
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:48,519
only when I was completely calm, fully at rest, when

827
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:50,039
we were in the heat of it all, like when

828
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,280
we'd been fleeing 's a cow. It was right there

829
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:59,840
the street getting louder. Okay, a lot to unpack.

830
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: He is this.

831
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: Rage because it feels like Carl has had a particularly

832
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,639
traumatic past that he has not really dealt with.

833
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: It's possible that he.

834
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,639
Speaker 1: Has seen a therapist, but I don't feel like he's

835
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:25,440
ever mentioned it, so I'm going to assume no.

836
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: I am genuinely like.

837
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: Unsure the fact that being calm makes that sound kind

838
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:45,840
of die down. What I find so unnerving about this

839
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:51,280
is how relatable it is because I had this conversation

840
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:55,920
recently on a True Blood episode with my friend Miles.

841
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: But like we were talking about how.

842
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:03,199
Speaker 1: One of the things that aids with having ADHD and

843
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:09,360
this overactive mind is complete silence and lack of simulation.

844
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:12,800
Not listening to music, not listening to a podcast, not

845
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,559
reading a book, not having a game to play, just

846
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:22,480
sitting and maybe eating a meal, sipping on a cup

847
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,599
of tea, or just sitting in the yard looking at

848
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:32,039
the clouds and the trees. And that's all. But how

849
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:38,039
particularly difficult that is to make yourself do because you

850
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:42,039
have ADHD. That's the thing, the very thing that's best

851
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,719
for you is also the thing that's the hardest to do.

852
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:55,519
And that being something that I understand with Carl. I

853
00:56:55,679 --> 00:56:59,599
want to be like, oh, it's just something like that, right,

854
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:05,360
But like Carl's whole situation is so much more extreme

855
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,119
and exaggerated that I feel like it can't be just that.

856
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,559
Speaker 2: I don't know, and.

857
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,159
Speaker 1: Describing it as just like a bubbling stream makes it

858
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:24,320
sound not exactly really dangerous, just.

859
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: Innocuous.

860
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,679
Speaker 1: But if something like that gets big enough and overflows,

861
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:35,599
it can be very dangerous. And I'm just not sure

862
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:38,000
how much to worry about this, you know what I'm saying.

863
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,079
And it's also interesting that this is coming up now

864
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:45,239
in book five, but he never mentions this.

865
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: In other books.

866
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: And if this isn't like kind of supposed to be

867
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:55,360
the result of the increase in anger, you know, because

868
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:59,400
that's the reason I kind of went for, is it rage?

869
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:02,559
This being the first floor that he can access hunters

870
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:04,880
and people who are complicit in what's being done to

871
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,679
him and everyone else on earth, that.

872
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:11,239
Speaker 2: Would make sense.

873
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:15,079
Speaker 1: That he feels a real particular way about it here

874
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:19,519
on this floor when there's something to be done about it.

875
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,519
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.

876
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,519
Speaker 1: I don't know how to interpret this anyway. This is

877
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:30,280
when they open their boxes and every Hunter Killer box

878
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,840
has a hand in it, which at first Dona is

879
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,000
disgusted by, until the announcements come on later and talk

880
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:41,599
about the Butcher's masquerade and she now suddenly wants way

881
00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:47,960
more of these hands. Carl winds up getting five hundred

882
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,119
and ninety five thousand gold from all of his boxes

883
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:55,280
because he gets thirty five one of them he didn't

884
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,960
earn here, but the AI is just like, yeah, but

885
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:01,920
you know you deserve that last one earlier.

886
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: I just didn't give it to you then.

887
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:11,599
Speaker 1: And let's see, he gets a sigil of night Worm's

888
00:59:11,719 --> 00:59:14,599
Nasty Little Web of Suffering, which is a spider web

889
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,679
tattoo on his elbow, which I noticed on the cover

890
00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:20,280
and I was like, he didn't have that tattoo before,

891
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,159
so that must be something he gets in this book,

892
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,960
and it gives him access to the Guild of Suffering,

893
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,639
which is actually not a real guild and not a

894
00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:30,360
real religion.

895
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,559
Speaker 2: It's just like this cult.

896
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: So we don't get a lot of information on that,

897
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,119
and then we get a description of like turning in

898
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,039
arcade tickets. It's a very long thing that I actually

899
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:46,679
did really enjoy. But what it comes down to is

900
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,519
every hunter's hand that you get, you get to turn

901
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:57,000
in for like a reward at this party later. And

902
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:04,840
then we get the highlight and it sort of interrupted

903
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,119
because a part of it is redacted. But when they

904
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:13,280
come back, Murderer Dimitri or Max and Popov screamed on

905
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,480
the show. The screen was now showing things that had

906
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,199
happened at the very end of the Last Floor, and

907
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:19,320
it had returned in the middle of a scene the

908
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,360
two headed Crawler fought with another human I didn't recognize

909
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,920
in the final moments of the Last Floor. The guy

910
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,400
they fought was a big guy, leather clad with a

911
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,159
shaved head and a war gauntlet similar to my own.

912
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,280
They would have brained the guy, but they suddenly all

913
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,199
flew off their feet as a giant foot crashed into

914
01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:41,639
their world and then jumped away, which he notices as

915
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:48,360
the demon Slit's foot. And unclear what exactly they were

916
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,199
fighting for in the first place, whether or not the

917
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:53,880
fight has ever been resolved, that's all we get. We

918
01:00:53,920 --> 01:01:00,320
have Kacia flooding lorocos. It portrayed Kasia's stoic face at

919
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,960
what she'd done, and then it cut in a shot

920
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,599
of me laughing from some other time, which I thought

921
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,920
was particularly funny. This does not that seem to bother

922
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,039
Carl here, he's just sort of accepting that they're gonna

923
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:13,920
be doing this and is like, what can do well?

924
01:01:14,159 --> 01:01:21,840
You know, And there's a mention here of the build

925
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,559
that Ellie is doing, called a four seasons build, which

926
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:31,000
Mordecai says has never been completed. People have gotten to three,

927
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:34,960
but not four, and he's just sort of interested to

928
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,960
see if she manages to make this happen. Finally, then

929
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,000
we get the leaderboard. Carl is still number one, Donna

930
01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:45,679
is still number four. She is level forty one and

931
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,280
he is fifty four. So yeah, she's just crossed over

932
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,079
into the forties. We really need to get things going

933
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:59,119
for her. And then we get the announcements and the

934
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:03,679
description about the uh what do you call it? First

935
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:07,719
of all, getting rid of access to private chats. However,

936
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,199
Barrent reserves the right to take your conversations and play

937
01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:15,880
them during any and all non live broadcasts. Party members

938
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,599
share certain quests and will share experience. All personal space

939
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:23,599
upgrades are shared. Party members may examine each other's properties,

940
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,719
but you know, and then they say, we're breaking up

941
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,199
any parties larger than thirty people. But we're implementing a

942
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,360
guild system. And I won't get into all of this,

943
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:39,239
but suffice to say there are tiers to how much

944
01:02:40,199 --> 01:02:45,559
how many like different benefits will come to your guild

945
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:48,639
that you start. One person is supposed to be like

946
01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:53,360
in charge and they can kick people out. There will

947
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,280
be guild only upgrades. Some of these are pretty spectacular,

948
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,480
so you'll definitely want to check it out. And I'm

949
01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:03,800
super cure about that. For a small licensing fee, may

950
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:09,360
share most pre existing environmental upgrades, and there's an option

951
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:14,400
to change sharing experience for a fee. There are many

952
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,760
more rules and exciting upgrades. The BOB because will have

953
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,880
all the information you need to get started. And this

954
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:25,920
is like one of those things that just is another

955
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advantage to people who can afford it. You know, it's

956
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:35,840
just anything, and none of this is necessarily based on

957
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who deserves. It's who can pay, who has friends who

958
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:44,159
can pay, Just like now, it's just the way it

959
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:48,440
fucking goes and then at the end of this floor,

960
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,840
we'll be having a party. Isn't that exciting? Only the

961
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,360
top fifty crawlers in the dungeon will receive an invite,

962
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,760
but all invited crawlers will be able to bring a

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01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,639
plus one. Don't worry about your safety. Need to know

964
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,320
is there will be music, dancing, a costume contest, a

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01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,599
pet beauty contest, a talent show, and prize is available

966
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to all who attend. And I really thought that it

967
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was going to be Donut in the beauty contest, forgetting

968
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that she is considered a crawler. So she is going

969
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:22,920
to enter mongo and is fucking thrilled. And I love

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01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,559
Carl starting to say Donut, we are not and don't

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01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:28,480
even think about saying we are not doing this.

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Speaker 2: Donut.

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Speaker 1: She paused, I have very little and this is something

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01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:36,960
we are going to do, and you are not going

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to stop me. I just stared at her, look, I said,

976
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,480
trailing off, Mordecai, don't worry.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to her, will come up with a compromise.

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Speaker 1: And so what Karl winds up saying is just we

979
01:04:52,119 --> 01:04:54,360
won't even get to the party if you don't focus

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right now.

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Speaker 2: And she admits that this is true. But uh, I

982
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:00,280
just love of.

983
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,519
Speaker 1: How all of like she goes all in on. We

984
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:09,360
need to start training, We need an extra hour a day.

985
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,679
We need to find a seamstress, a walk coach. We

986
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,719
need to purchase the upgraded pet shower to get all

987
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:16,480
the bloodstains off. How many more MPCs can we hire?

988
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,800
We have to see the standards manual immediately, all of

989
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:25,000
this like she is so on it, and I can

990
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,039
feel how comforting it is to be like planning for

991
01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:30,960
something that you've done a million times that you have

992
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:31,960
real experience with.

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01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 2: I understand why.

994
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,159
Speaker 1: You would be like, oh, absolutely, we're doing this. Fucking

995
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,719
shut up and just let me drive just this one time.

996
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,800
You know, I'm not mad at it.

997
01:05:42,199 --> 01:05:43,119
Speaker 2: Go for it, donnut.

998
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't trust this Butcher's masquerade thing. They say, oh,

999
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,679
you'll be safe. I don't know why I should believe

1000
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:55,519
you at all. And then the chapter ends with I

1001
01:05:55,559 --> 01:05:58,760
could hear it again, that river in my mind, rushing, tumbling,

1002
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,360
crash and getting fatter and louder by the moment it

1003
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,880
was starting to hurt.

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01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:05,079
Speaker 2: Just a little.

1005
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: That was okay, I'd rest later. So like, is this

1006
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:16,840
related to the ring of Divine suffering. Is it not

1007
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,519
that the ring does something to you out of nowhere,

1008
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:23,360
but that it amplifies something that's already in you? Possibly

1009
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,280
just very worrying. Just don't like any of the implications here,

1010
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,679
you know, thumbs down. I just don't like that you're

1011
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:37,639
using it, Carl. I get why I do, but like,

1012
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,800
I don't necessarily feel like it was really worth it

1013
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:46,719
what it did just now, that advantage felt very minor,

1014
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:52,159
and I don't know, man, it just I wouldn't be

1015
01:06:52,199 --> 01:06:53,880
willing to do it. I'll just say that I wouldn't,

1016
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,880
but you know who the fuck am? I all right,

1017
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,400
I gotta wrap up, But thank you guys again for

1018
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:04,239
joining me, and thank you to Jackie for commissioning this episode.

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I hope you all are enjoying the coverage, and until

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next time.

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Speaker 2: To the loom. Motherfuckers.

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Speaker 1: That was an unspoiled network podcast.