Speaker 1: Good evening, Gary Jeff Walker on this Monday night, October fourteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four And after all that dose of masculinity
Speaker 1: and Bengals line in the aftermath of the second Bengals
Speaker 1: victory of the season, a discussion about men and masculinity,
Speaker 1: and you know, the NFL, regardless of all of the
Speaker 1: little wolf culture things that are happening in our society,
Speaker 1: is still a bastion of men being.
Speaker 2: Men and boys being boys.
Speaker 1: And it's important for society structure that men be men
Speaker 1: and boys. That doesn't mean hitting each other in the mouth.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean being loudish or being overbearing. But to
Speaker 1: be a man or a boy in America is becoming
Speaker 1: harder and harder. I think you look around and you
Speaker 1: hear about all the calls to tame toxic masculinity and
Speaker 1: all these other things to trying to tell us that
Speaker 1: there's no difference between the sexes. There's a very important
Speaker 1: difference between men and women. And to kind of highlight
Speaker 1: that the executive manager of the International Council for Men
Speaker 1: and Boys, he is a partner in the law firm
Speaker 1: DeMarco and DeMarco PC and the founder of the law
Speaker 1: center one of the few lawyers with an advanced law
Speaker 1: degree in trial advocacy from Temple Law also operates the
Speaker 1: Law Center YouTube channel, which is a free video library
Speaker 1: for self represented litigans and family court and anyway. Lawrence DeMarco,
Speaker 1: welcome to the Nightcap. Tell me about the International Council
Speaker 1: for Men and Boys and what you see your role
Speaker 1: is in twenty twenty four America.
Speaker 3: Certainly, Gary, thank you so much for having me on
Speaker 3: this evening.
Speaker 4: It's a real pleasure to be invited. So, the International
Speaker 4: Council for Men and Boys is.
Speaker 3: A five h one C three and we are addressing
Speaker 3: and raising awareness to twelve items of male advantage and
Speaker 3: the wide recent reaching consequences for families, the economy, and
Speaker 3: even national security.
Speaker 4: The way we're trying to do this first.
Speaker 3: Is raising awareness for November, which is Men's Equality Month.
Speaker 3: There's March is Women's History Month, and just like women
Speaker 3: have Mother's Day and Dad's at Father's Day, women have
Speaker 3: history months. And now in November we are celebrating Men's
Speaker 3: Equality Month to raise awareness and addrest these twelve items
Speaker 3: of male disadvantage.
Speaker 4: Every time you have heard gender.
Speaker 5: Equality, they have been you know, you think of women However,
Speaker 5: and this is all science and data based, there are
Speaker 5: now twelve areas of male disadvantage that's really causing devastating
Speaker 5: consequences to society.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about how how this has affected the
Speaker 1: labor force in particular, because the economy is a huge
Speaker 1: issue in this election year, as it always is in
Speaker 1: a major presidential election year.
Speaker 2: It's it's the economy stupid.
Speaker 1: How how has this disadvantage affected America's labor force lawrence?
Speaker 3: So, Senator Marco Rubio issued a landmark report called The
Speaker 3: State of the Working and Non working Man that highlighted
Speaker 3: the alarming decline in male labor force participation in recent date.
Speaker 3: In recent decades, the absence of men from the workforce
Speaker 3: has led to a reduction in overall economic productivity, increases
Speaker 3: in welfare dependency, and of course, a shrinking tax base.
Speaker 4: This is not just the United States.
Speaker 3: This is a global situation, and for instance, Italy and
Speaker 3: Israel have also reported significant drops in mail workforce participation,
Speaker 3: and a lot of that comes from education. More than
Speaker 3: one hundred countries report lower levels of male secondary and
Speaker 3: graduate education enrollment and completion.
Speaker 4: High school dropouts compared to girls, and.
Speaker 3: Education cost to society is thirteen point nine percent over
Speaker 3: a decade according to.
Speaker 2: The World Bank.
Speaker 1: All Right, families, and we all have seen the results
Speaker 1: of men not being in the home with their children
Speaker 1: and being able to provide for their families. So you've
Speaker 1: got to really focus on men being men in their
Speaker 1: familial role as patriarchs and the light.
Speaker 6: Sure.
Speaker 3: With fewer men able to fulfill their roles as providers,
Speaker 3: men are less willing to enter into marriage number one.
Speaker 3: And when the fewer people getting married and staying single
Speaker 3: for longer, there's an increased rate of poverty, mental health issues,
Speaker 3: and of course general breakdown and family cohesion.
Speaker 4: It is documented that father absence.
Speaker 3: The other thing is in child custody court when there's
Speaker 3: a joint, when there's a soul custody dispute, when they're
Speaker 3: fighting over custody.
Speaker 4: Men only get soul or primary.
Speaker 3: Custody fifteen percent of the times and then often have
Speaker 3: to fight, and they don't have the resources fight just
Speaker 3: to have their share of custody. And father absence causes,
Speaker 3: especially in boys, reduced success in almost every area for
Speaker 3: mental health, from school, from children who have successful relationships
Speaker 3: and dating, drug addiction, every type of addiction, video games, pornography.
Speaker 4: So fathers provide stability to both their boys and daughters.
Speaker 1: All right, real quickly, I'm kind of running short on time,
Speaker 1: but that's my fault. I was bloviating at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this National security The US Army reports a thirty
Speaker 1: five percent decline in mail recruits in the ten years
Speaker 1: between twenty thirteen and twenty twenty three, and says that
Speaker 1: traditional military masculinity wants a driver from recruitment, is now
Speaker 1: less appealing to young men. I guess the question, Lawrence DeMarco,
Speaker 1: is how is the International Council for Men and Boys?
Speaker 1: And we know what the problems are. Can you give
Speaker 1: me in a minute and a half nutshell solutions and
Speaker 1: things that you guys are working towards.
Speaker 3: Sure, I would say, listen, this is you know for
Speaker 3: this is the ninety second version generally raising awareness because
Speaker 3: every time that you've heard of equality, you always think
Speaker 3: of gender equality for women. There's billions of dollars asserted,
Speaker 3: you know, set aside for women rights and rightfully show
Speaker 3: because it's rightfully so, because you know, women in parts
Speaker 3: of the world do have to face things like course marriage,
Speaker 3: mandatory hit jobs, and they are permitted to be educated,
Speaker 3: but we are trying to change the narrative that when
Speaker 3: you think of gender equality for men. There are statistically
Speaker 3: based data supported twelve items of male inequality. They're on
Speaker 3: our website Men in Boys dot Net, and they range
Speaker 3: in things like education because men are struggling in education, suicide.
Speaker 3: Men commit suicide at five times the rate of women
Speaker 3: or at least young teams anyway. And at work hazardous workplace,
Speaker 3: men are fifteen times more likely to die in the workplace.
Speaker 4: There's a myth of male.
Speaker 3: Higher wages they work or hazardous positions, which is why
Speaker 3: it appears that they there might be an imbalance.
Speaker 4: So they're on our website.
Speaker 3: You can see those twelve items, and we have detailed
Speaker 3: solutions that we don't have time to get in ninety seconds.
Speaker 4: But we have detailed solutions on each one.
Speaker 3: For instance, for false allegations, restore the presumption of innocence,
Speaker 3: for problems in family court, shared parenting, an act of
Speaker 3: presumption of equal parenting for the benefit of not just men,
Speaker 3: for children. Everything we propose will benefit society as a
Speaker 3: whole and women as well.
Speaker 4: This is about the benefit of health.
Speaker 3: And society and not just men, but for women and
Speaker 3: children as well.
Speaker 2: All right, what's the website real quickly, Lawrence?
Speaker 7: Sure?
Speaker 4: Certainly Men in Boys dot Net.
Speaker 3: You'll see the twelve items, and there's a click through
Speaker 3: for each item where you can see the statistical support
Speaker 3: for each problems.
Speaker 1: For each Laurence Tomarco, thank you for your precious time tonight,
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll be making some progress and people will
Speaker 1: be opening up their eyes to see what's going on
Speaker 1: and how important the role of men is in our
Speaker 1: society in America and the world.
Speaker 4: Thank you, sir, Gary, thank you so much for having
Speaker 4: me as well.
Speaker 1: You bet we'll we'll talk to Jennifer's Strickland on the
Speaker 1: women's side about hearing the voices of women and taking
Speaker 1: back who they are.
Speaker 2: In just a moment on the Nightcap Homeowners the Prince.
Speaker 1: To Marco from the International Council of Men and Boys,
Speaker 1: it's time to hear from a woman.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Strickland is a podcaster, author, former model and a
Speaker 1: wife and mother, and she has written this wonderful book
Speaker 1: called I Am a Woman. We had Jennifer on a
Speaker 1: few months back, but again I think it's an important
Speaker 1: message to continue to convey that women and men in
Speaker 1: the roles that we believe God cast them in are
Speaker 1: so crucial to the maintain of the maintenance and the
Speaker 1: thriving of our society and our lives here on earth.
Speaker 2: And Jennifer believes that too.
Speaker 1: She wrote the book I Am a Woman, and she
Speaker 1: wants her voice to be heard to uphold the dignity
Speaker 1: of womanhood with clarity and compassion. And she joins us, now,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Strickland, how are you.
Speaker 8: I'm doing great, Thanks so thanks so much for having
Speaker 8: me on the show. This is an important conversation.
Speaker 2: Really is.
Speaker 1: And what Lawrence DeMarco was just the point he was
Speaker 1: making and his organization makes, is that the redefining of masculinity,
Speaker 1: that men are at many disadvantages right now, and that
Speaker 1: that women should women should have their voice and their say,
Speaker 1: but men's voices are important as well. There's a case
Speaker 1: of a University of Cans's professor who was placed on
Speaker 1: leave after saying that men who don't vote for Kamala.
Speaker 2: Harris should be shot as well as a woman.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you read that kind of
Speaker 1: I mean, thank god, well, thank god that the woke
Speaker 1: university crowd in academia saw this as a problem.
Speaker 2: But just your answer to that.
Speaker 8: First, well, I'm glad they thought it of the problem.
Speaker 8: But that is very indicative of a brainwashing movement. And
Speaker 8: that's one thing that I'm trying to get across whenever
Speaker 8: I do these interviews is that the transactivist movement and
Speaker 8: the whole woke movement is a thought reform movement. And
Speaker 8: thought reform movements tell people that if you disagree with us,
Speaker 8: we will cancel you, punish you, or suit you. Right,
Speaker 8: and so it's really unfortunate that so much of that
Speaker 8: has gotten into the universities, because the truth is most
Speaker 8: of it goes unchecked, and kids are being silenced and
Speaker 8: they're actually being said of all of this woke nonsense,
Speaker 8: you know, misgendering and all of these new terms. It's
Speaker 8: part of a thought reform movement. It's a brainwashing movement,
Speaker 8: and that means people who question it are punished. And
Speaker 8: so we've got to teach the next generation how to
Speaker 8: recognize thought reform when they see it.
Speaker 1: Well, and you make the point in I Am a
Speaker 1: Woman taking Back our Name, is that the true definition,
Speaker 1: traditional definition, and the Christian definition and the name for women,
Speaker 1: and the role for women is as a guardian.
Speaker 2: Correct. Can you explain that for me again?
Speaker 8: Absolutely? I mean it's really if you really take a
Speaker 8: very close look the book of Genesis, we see that
Speaker 8: Adam was created to guard and steward the garden, okay,
Speaker 8: the land, and the woman was created to guard and
Speaker 8: steward Adam, which at that time was mankind. The words
Speaker 8: that God uses in Genesis the e is er connecto
Speaker 8: and Adam, you know, he gets tempted by the tree, right,
Speaker 8: God says, oh, here's this tree, don't eat from it.
Speaker 8: Right after that moment is when he says, you're going
Speaker 8: to need and here's the Hebrew term and as air connecto.
Speaker 8: And God says it twice, You're going to need an
Speaker 8: as air connecto. Those words mean guardian, face to face,
Speaker 8: someone who's face to face with you and will actually
Speaker 8: oppose you if you're going the wrong way, someone who's
Speaker 8: side by side with you, who's going to help you
Speaker 8: and you cannot help yourself. And we know woman was
Speaker 8: really created to channel man's energies towards right to towards
Speaker 8: taking care of her and taking care of a family.
Speaker 8: So unfortunately, the feminist movement exalted themselves as superior as men.
Speaker 8: And we also have a history of unhealthy patriarchy that
Speaker 8: pretended like woman was a lower being. And neither one
Speaker 8: dominates in the creation narrative, and the creation narrative we
Speaker 8: rule and take dominion and subdue together side by side
Speaker 8: as equals. And it's really a beautiful picture of Christ
Speaker 8: in the church. And it's really sad that, you know,
Speaker 8: right now, men are being emasculated because a feminist movement
Speaker 8: emasculated them. It said they weren't important. It said that
Speaker 8: their voice didn't matter, even in the life of their
Speaker 8: own child, their own descendants. Men in this country have
Speaker 8: no say. That is so evil. Biblically speaking, the responsibility
Speaker 8: for the protection of the family is on the man's shoulders.
Speaker 8: So by telling him that he has no words, he
Speaker 8: has no voice, he has no value, we actually strip
Speaker 8: away what he was created to do.
Speaker 1: Do you think that people are are some people are
Speaker 1: blind to the fact that because they're a woman, because
Speaker 1: they are that gender, they should just automatically vote for
Speaker 1: the woman in the presidential race.
Speaker 8: I mean, well again, it's yeah, this is just this
Speaker 8: is so demeaning. And let's just put it this way.
Speaker 8: I'm not going to vote for a woman who can't
Speaker 8: define what a woman is, thank you.
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 8: The first woman, her name Eve means life giving. Woman's
Speaker 8: was created to bring life. So any woman who wants
Speaker 8: to be the head woman over all the girls in
Speaker 8: the nation, if she does understand that we were created
Speaker 8: to bring life, body, soul, and spirit. We bring life
Speaker 8: to the home, we bring life to the husband, we
Speaker 8: bring life to the community, we bring life to the nation,
Speaker 8: we bring life to babies.
Speaker 10: Okay.
Speaker 8: Any woman who doesn't understand that that is the meaning
Speaker 8: of our name has no business ruling over the daughters
Speaker 8: in this nation.
Speaker 1: And the Democrats number one issue that that they win on,
Speaker 1: sadly is the issue of unfettered abortion on demand, and
Speaker 1: that is what's that's the Democrat Party's platform in this election.
Speaker 1: And it just seems rather it's not about giving life.
Speaker 2: It's exactly the opposite.
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 8: It's just like they have done with men. You know,
Speaker 8: men were created to provide and protect, including the their descendants,
Speaker 8: their children in the womb, so that's been stripped from them.
Speaker 8: And women were created to bring life and that's been stripped.
Speaker 8: So they this party strips us of our true identity.
Speaker 8: And then we wonder, you know, why do we have
Speaker 8: all these girls with eating disorders and cutting and these
Speaker 8: kids are, you know, struggling with mental illness. The families
Speaker 8: are breaking apart. It's because all of these mantras like
Speaker 8: smash the patriarchy, sex, work is work, my body, my choice.
Speaker 8: If you break down all of those mantras, they're all wrong,
Speaker 8: they're all evil, they're all unhealthy in the relationship between
Speaker 8: the sexes and the relationship between a mother and her child.
Speaker 8: And so this this government system, you know, we see
Speaker 8: a government system in the Book of Revelation and the
Speaker 8: woman who rides the beast. They exalt sexuality, they exalt
Speaker 8: all these things that take people away from God's good
Speaker 8: design for marriage and family.
Speaker 2: Jennifer Strickland.
Speaker 8: So we have to keep exposing it, we have to
Speaker 8: keep talking.
Speaker 1: About it, and you can read more about it. And
Speaker 1: I am a woman taking back our name. Jennifer Strickland.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being on the Night Camp tonight.
Speaker 8: Thanks so much for having me on this day.
Speaker 1: As the attacks from Lebanon continued via Hesbelah into Israel
Speaker 1: and this war that is being totally funded by the
Speaker 1: country of Iran, to its many surrogates. And here we
Speaker 1: are just past the year date October seventh, of the
Speaker 1: heinous terrorist attack on the country of Israel in America.
Speaker 1: Ever since those attacks occurred, the anti Semitic hate has
Speaker 1: ramped up to just deafening decibel levels, and the attacks
Speaker 1: on Jews, especially in New York City, have gone through
Speaker 1: the roof. And so to talk about that and where
Speaker 1: we go from here and why this is and how
Speaker 1: it could affect the election very definitely is Dean Glemas.
Speaker 1: He started his career as a police officer in the
Speaker 1: New York City Police Department, five years on patrol narcotics
Speaker 1: officer in the Bronx. He transferred to Rockland County and
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's Office Police Division, and he retired from the
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office Bureau of Criminal Investigation as a senior detective
Speaker 1: after twenty years of service and founded Global Security and
Speaker 1: Investigative Services about sixteen years ago in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: and he continues in that role today. And we're talking
Speaker 1: about the anti Semitic violence and the crime being committed
Speaker 1: against Jews in this country and how it has even
Speaker 1: further spiked since the October seventh attacks on Israel a
Speaker 1: little over a year or ago. Dean Glemis, welcome to
Speaker 1: the night Cap. It's great to have you tonight.
Speaker 11: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 6: Gary.
Speaker 2: All Right, So, first.
Speaker 1: And foremost, and just a couple of things that I
Speaker 1: saw earlier today, the talk show commentator Trevor Noah compared
Speaker 1: the October seventh attacks on Israel to the American Revolution
Speaker 1: and called the people who rebelled against the British terrorists
Speaker 1: and they kind of he kind of said that Israel
Speaker 1: was attacked by freedom fighters who were just like our
Speaker 1: American revolutionaries. I mean, I don't know what history book
Speaker 1: this guy is reading from, Dean, but oh my, the
Speaker 1: comparison is not there. It's just not there. This has
Speaker 1: been Israel. The country has been Israel's homeland. It's it's
Speaker 1: been the land of milk and honey for the Jewish
Speaker 1: people for over two thousand years, and it was violently
Speaker 1: and senselessly attacked by inner locals. Here's the comparison that
Speaker 1: would work for me. If America, the United States of
Speaker 1: America was set up and the British forces tried to
Speaker 1: take it away, then the British forces would be terrorists.
Speaker 1: But the Iranian proxies who attacked Israel are nothing more
Speaker 1: than terrorists. And to compare American colonialists with Iran and
Speaker 1: Hezbollah and Hamas and the Huti rebels is just unthinkable.
Speaker 1: But that's the feeling out there, and I think it
Speaker 1: continues to fuel this kind of hate.
Speaker 11: Your thoughts, well, I think it's absolutely ludicrous that kind
Speaker 11: of comparison. I don't believe the American colonists lit babies
Speaker 11: on fire, British babies on fire, or stuffed them in
Speaker 11: the ovens and made their parents watch to burn to death.
Speaker 11: This is they're trying to humanize this part behavior in
Speaker 11: this barbaric group who's been Hamas has been designated a
Speaker 11: terrorist organization by the United States government since the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 11: as well as Hesbelah, you know, trying to give these
Speaker 11: guys a human face. The human side is despicable. And
Speaker 11: this is all being done because the Palestinian people are
Speaker 11: being displaced by Israel's war on terror in Gaza. But
Speaker 11: instead of putting the blame on the Israeli people, the
Speaker 11: press should be putting the blame where it belongs, which
Speaker 11: is on the Hamas terrorists which are using these civilians
Speaker 11: as human shields and putting them in harm's way by
Speaker 11: putting their secret bases and their military weapons storage underneath
Speaker 11: the apartment complexes and schools.
Speaker 2: You know, no one's calling them hospitals.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, correct.
Speaker 11: So I don't blame Israelis or you know everybody who
Speaker 11: tells me, oh, well, they made a new really state
Speaker 11: after World War Two and it was really a Palestinese
Speaker 11: people property. Well, let's look back at the Bible and
Speaker 11: Jesus Christ was a Jew two thousand years ago. Anywhere Jerusalem,
Speaker 11: you know, there were Jews there two thousand years ago
Speaker 11: as well as Palestinians. You know, it's it's it's been
Speaker 11: a multicultural area for eons.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, let's worry about the Semantics later. But
Speaker 1: to say it's a Palestinian people, there's no such thing
Speaker 1: as a Palestinian culture. There's not a Palestinian language of
Speaker 1: They're Arabs who were shunned by other Arabs, and they
Speaker 1: called themselves Palestinians thanks to the Romans actually calling this
Speaker 1: place Palestine just to basically wank off the Jews. And
Speaker 1: you know, that is the history of the term Palestinian.
Speaker 1: So I don't even call them Palestinians. I know they
Speaker 1: call themselves that, and that's fine. As of said September thirtieth,
Speaker 1: there's been a seventy four percent increase in hate crimes
Speaker 1: against Jews compared to the same period last year. This
Speaker 1: is just in New York City. Here's the next question, Dean.
Speaker 1: Why is New York City such a focal point. It's
Speaker 1: happening other places around the country. And we've seen the
Speaker 1: protests on college campuses and the violence that has broken
Speaker 1: out caused by the anti Jewish, anti Semitic protesters. But
Speaker 1: New York City seems to be the like ground zero
Speaker 1: and I hate to use that term in relation to NYC,
Speaker 1: but it seems to be ground zero for these anti
Speaker 1: Semitic attacks and hate crimes that are being committed.
Speaker 2: Why so, do you.
Speaker 11: Think I think just for to share number of Jews
Speaker 11: that live in New York, New York has been a
Speaker 11: beacon welcoming people from around the world and a big
Speaker 11: Jewish community here in New York, largest outside of Israel,
Speaker 11: you know, in a place called Rockland County where I
Speaker 11: was detective. The only place where there's more Jewish people
Speaker 11: per capita is Israel. We have a large, large Jewish population,
Speaker 11: and unfortunately, we also have a large group of politicians
Speaker 11: who are spineless and refuse to stand up and call
Speaker 11: all of this what it is, anti Semitic hate. They're
Speaker 11: allowing these this anti Semitic vitriol to be spread without
Speaker 11: confronting it and standing up to it, and they're being
Speaker 11: cowards for political expediency. You know, they're scared about upsetting
Speaker 11: you know, a Muslim or people with anti anti Israeli sentiment.
Speaker 11: They're scared to stand up to them, and it's disgraceful.
Speaker 11: We need some We need some politicians here in New
Speaker 11: York who would shut these illegal protests down as soon
Speaker 11: as they start and not let them get to the
Speaker 11: point where they're out of control and they're no longer manageable.
Speaker 11: The second a group comes onto a college campus in
Speaker 11: New York and puts up tens illegally and starts protesting
Speaker 11: and they're outside antelopers, are not even part of the
Speaker 11: student body, exactly the second you let them fester and
Speaker 11: grow and it's out of control, the second attend goes
Speaker 11: up on your campus, how about this, rip it down
Speaker 11: and throw them off campus or arrest them for trespass.
Speaker 6: Well, these problems would go away.
Speaker 1: These college presidents like at Columbia University and lost their
Speaker 1: job and should have. They're not in many cases, or
Speaker 1: they didn't in the last go round. Let the authorities
Speaker 1: come in onto their campus is like, no, we're a
Speaker 1: sovereign state. We're going to take care of it ourselves.
Speaker 1: And they didn't do it. The other odd irony I
Speaker 1: find Dean gallimis in What's Happening in New York City
Speaker 1: is that New Yorkers hired a former police a former
Speaker 1: police officer, police chief I guess was Eric Adams of chief.
Speaker 2: I don't know about his law enforcement.
Speaker 1: He was captain, a former New York City police captain
Speaker 1: as their mayor to be the tough on law and
Speaker 1: order crime guy. And we haven't seen much from Eric Adams,
Speaker 1: I mean even before the indictments. But I mean, isn't
Speaker 1: it weird how you hire somebody because he's going to
Speaker 1: be the tough on crime answer to Deblasio and he
Speaker 1: winds up being just as bad or worse in the
Speaker 1: face of all this. Don't you think you're talking about
Speaker 1: the leadership and it has been severely lacking obviously.
Speaker 11: Well, I think Mayor adams hands are And I'm a
Speaker 11: little fan of Mayor Adams, but mind you, but I
Speaker 11: think his hands are tied. We have such a liberal
Speaker 11: New York City Council it's almost impossible to get anything
Speaker 11: done in terms of law and order. Hey, more than
Speaker 11: half the city council was for defunding the police. Another
Speaker 11: big problem we have is in New York we used
Speaker 11: to have a law against wearing masks in public, especially
Speaker 11: at public events and protests, and that went by the
Speaker 11: wayside with COVID and these people. COVID's now over, but
Speaker 11: these people are allowed to wear head scarves at these protests,
Speaker 11: and all that does is in bold in these people
Speaker 11: to take the next step and you know, cause violence, assault,
Speaker 11: people say, you know, completely anti Semitic things without fear
Speaker 11: of retribution or you know, explaining their actions at a
Speaker 11: later time. So we should reinstate the face covering band
Speaker 11: at all protests and demonstrations in New York City, which
Speaker 11: is the law we had right up until twenty and twenty,
Speaker 11: and start enforcing that. And you'll see that these young
Speaker 11: people that just you know, want to cause trouble, just
Speaker 11: want something to do, want a Saturday night, you know,
Speaker 11: they wear masks and they go around and destroy property
Speaker 11: because they think they can get away with it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we saw the same things and it
Speaker 1: was about that time at COVID with with BLM. To me,
Speaker 1: the BLM protesters and you mentioned the interlopers on college
Speaker 1: campuses that aren't even students. There's they're setting up encampments
Speaker 1: and pretending that the student body is with them one
Speaker 1: hundred percent while Jewish students are being attacked and being
Speaker 1: kept from going to class that they're paying a lot
Speaker 1: of money to go to class for. But to me,
Speaker 1: the BLM protesters and the pro Hamas pro Terrists protesters.
Speaker 2: Many of them are the same people, are they not.
Speaker 11: Yes, there's some rebel rousers that have been seen at
Speaker 11: multiple protests in multiple places. We had people blocking the
Speaker 11: Brooklyn Bridge pro Palactitian protesters. They were arrested that day,
Speaker 11: and then they were arrested later on in the day
Speaker 11: at another event out of college. And again that's because
Speaker 11: they've taken all the teeth with this new bail reform Act.
Speaker 11: They've taken all the you're getting arrested, they're getting a
Speaker 11: ticket and released, so fifteen minutes after they're arrested back
Speaker 11: on the streets again protesting. They know there's no repercussions
Speaker 11: with the way New York has set up their whole
Speaker 11: bail Reform Act, and it's just compounding the police department's
Speaker 11: problems in managing these previously manageable protests.
Speaker 1: As a law enforcement and as a security professional, Dean
Speaker 1: glemis not only eliminating the face coverings at protests, But
Speaker 1: I mean, where do you come down on this no
Speaker 1: cash bail. It's just it has made the justice system
Speaker 1: all over the country where it's been trying a revolving
Speaker 1: door of recidivism crime that actually it's none of this
Speaker 1: is victimless.
Speaker 2: I mean, so it's a.
Speaker 1: Victimless crime if I shoplift nine and fifty dollars worth
Speaker 1: of merchandise, which California is now reconsidering with a Proposition
Speaker 1: thirty six, that's on the ballot there. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got to do something about the no cash bail laws.
Speaker 4: Don't you.
Speaker 11: You've got to remember there's a trifecta of mistakes made
Speaker 11: in New York that are causing all of our problems.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 11: The first one is no masks or protests. Second one
Speaker 11: is the new District Attorney Alvin Bragg.
Speaker 6: Day one of his.
Speaker 11: Time in office, he states he's not no longer going
Speaker 11: to prosecute trespads, shoplifting, resisting arrest, or minor drug offenses.
Speaker 11: So you're no longer going to prosecute resisting arrests. So
Speaker 11: if you were in the street and a cop told
Speaker 11: you put your hands on the wall and put your
Speaker 11: hands behind your back, you're under arrest. You know you're
Speaker 11: not going to get arrested if you try to resist.
Speaker 6: What are you going to try to do? It's human nature.
Speaker 11: Ron, You've created chaos. I have clients in New York City.
Speaker 11: We have trespass problems. We have homeless people sleeping in
Speaker 11: my clients buildings and their lobbies and they can't get
Speaker 11: rid of them. The cops won't even come anymore. So
Speaker 11: just you go south, shop wherever you want. You want
Speaker 11: to smoke crack in the lobby of a bank, go
Speaker 11: right ahead.
Speaker 6: We aren't going to do anything.
Speaker 11: It's madness.
Speaker 6: And this has all happened all within a year and
Speaker 6: a half, two years of each other.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's been so quick.
Speaker 6: Recipe for disaster.
Speaker 1: And with Alvin Bragg in charge of justice in New
Speaker 1: York City. It's like, I guess, I guess you would
Speaker 1: get arrested for being a Trump supporter, because apparently that
Speaker 1: was his major goal was to get Donald Trump.
Speaker 11: He he said, so, well, let's let's let's look at
Speaker 11: let's look at the state of Flauda real quick. If
Speaker 11: we haven't there, yeah, sure, you know, we had the
Speaker 11: we had the head prosecutor for the city of Tampa.
Speaker 11: He used to enforce laws he didn't agree with. And
Speaker 11: what did Ron DeSantis do? The governor He said, well,
Speaker 11: you're either going to take that back and enforce them,
Speaker 11: or I'm going to have you move from office. And
Speaker 11: the guy refused, and DeSantis removed him from office. When
Speaker 11: I was a cop, one of the major things they
Speaker 11: taught you in the police academy was you need to
Speaker 11: enforce the law and take your personal opinions.
Speaker 6: Out of it.
Speaker 9: It's just because.
Speaker 11: Alvin Bragg doesn't agree with the law on the books
Speaker 11: in the state of New York, he has no legal authority,
Speaker 11: did not enforce it or prosecuted it anymore. He's doing
Speaker 11: is illegal and nobody will call him one. Well, when
Speaker 11: I was a cop, if I didn't agree with abortion
Speaker 11: an last thing I do or not. I mean, this
Speaker 11: is a hot topic from saying if I didn't agree
Speaker 11: with the abortion, or a cop didn't agree with abortion,
Speaker 11: he couldn't refuse to arrest an abortion protester or breaking
Speaker 11: the law outside of an abortion clinic. He had to
Speaker 11: arrest them. If you don't agree with me, if you
Speaker 11: think marijuana should be legal, as a cop when it
Speaker 11: was illegal, you couldn't choose not to arrest the person
Speaker 11: for possessing marijuana. You know, if you think it's okay
Speaker 11: to commit domestic violence doesn't mean you can you can
Speaker 11: choose what laws you arrest pe before. Don't same thing
Speaker 11: with a prosecutor. He can't pick and choose what he
Speaker 11: thinks should be prosecutable.
Speaker 6: Again, it's illegal, and no one want to call him
Speaker 6: out of it.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Ron de Santas and Florida, and you look
Speaker 1: at comparison with Kathy Hochel in New York and there
Speaker 1: you go. Dean glemas Thank you so much again, Dean
Speaker 1: glemasu the founder of Global Security and Investigation Services, and
Speaker 1: thank you for being on with me to talk about this.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a serious issue and I think it
Speaker 1: very well should and will affect the Jewish vote coming
Speaker 1: up November fifth, don't you.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: And the Jewish vote has traditionally always been democratic. They
Speaker 11: have been the biggest reliable democratic voting block in history
Speaker 11: probably And a lot of the Jewish communia that I
Speaker 11: speak to are voting Republican this year if they had it.
Speaker 2: All right, Dean, thank you so much for your time
Speaker 2: tonight and good luck.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 12: Gary appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You bet, it's a nightcap, and it.
Speaker 1: Is a nightcap on seven hundred WLW and joining us
Speaker 1: our old friend Dave Hatter in the Internet of Things
Speaker 1: world in which we live. He is constantly sounding the
Speaker 1: alarm about things you need to look out for. You
Speaker 1: never expected, but we kind of have covered this first
Speaker 1: topic before, Dave.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, by the way.
Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks Scary Jeff, always good to be here.
Speaker 1: And the Chinese electric vehicles. You just had an article
Speaker 1: out in the Northern Kentucky Tribune today earlier that people
Speaker 1: can can peruse if they want to find out more
Speaker 1: about Chinese vehicles and the threats they're in for American citizens.
Speaker 2: What did you write and what do you think?
Speaker 9: Well, I'm sure it's not going to come as a
Speaker 9: surprise you at all. Gary, Jeff, you know me pretty
Speaker 9: well that I'm not a fan of the rolling surveillance
Speaker 9: devices that we're all in now, these new modern cars.
Speaker 9: And then when you couple the idea that you're going
Speaker 9: to have a car made by your adversaries that is
Speaker 9: not only essentially a rolling surveillance device full of microphones
Speaker 9: and cameras and speakers and capturing all kinds of data,
Speaker 9: but that that could be not only sent back to
Speaker 9: the People's Republic of China, but the car itself could
Speaker 9: be weaponized. And I'll come back to that in a minute.
Speaker 9: It's pretty disconcerting. But let me back into that for
Speaker 9: a second. I know we've talked about this before. So Mozilla,
Speaker 9: the people that make the Firefox web browser, have a
Speaker 9: website called Privacy Not Included. I encourage people to check
Speaker 9: it out. It's a great place to go when you're
Speaker 9: thinking about buying some sort of so called smart device,
Speaker 9: some Internet of Things device, to see like if they've
Speaker 9: taken a look at at it and whether it's you know,
Speaker 9: privacy friendly or not. Now here's a spoiler alert. We're
Speaker 9: too long didn't re alert most of these things, regardless
Speaker 9: of what category fits into doorbell, thermostata, TV whatever, they're
Speaker 9: all privacy and security dumpster fires. Big study just came
Speaker 9: out recently about how your smart TVs spying on you.
Speaker 9: There's been more revelations about these Chinese vacuum sweepers spying
Speaker 9: on you. Again, people can go see for themselves, but
Speaker 9: if you did start with privacy not included. Last year
Speaker 9: they did a big expose on modern cars not necessarily
Speaker 9: evs and not necessarily made in China. They looked at
Speaker 9: all the major brands, right of US cars, European cars,
Speaker 9: and when you look at what they had to say,
Speaker 9: I am directly quoting, okay, from their website, all twenty
Speaker 9: five car brands we researched earned our privacy not included
Speaker 9: warning label, making cars the official worst category of products
Speaker 9: for privacy that we have ever reviewed.
Speaker 6: That as a direct quote.
Speaker 9: From the people who are behind the obviously not included
Speaker 9: site and Mozilla okay, tod that gets you some kind
Speaker 9: of idea, and when you go read that, I think
Speaker 9: most people will be absolutely stunned at the kind of
Speaker 9: information these cars are trying to collect. And once you
Speaker 9: plug your phone into it to sink up your contacts
Speaker 9: and make phone calls and listen to music and so forth.
Speaker 9: You know, all of that's being captured much less you're
Speaker 9: driving habits, et cetera. So anyhow, when you have that
Speaker 9: as a background and you see what they're saying about
Speaker 9: American car manufacturers, I mentioned in my op ed, recently
Speaker 9: the news came out that Ford has patented a system
Speaker 9: to eavesdrop on you in your car to sell ads.
Speaker 9: I'd leak to it in this article. And then GM
Speaker 9: has been you know, roundly criticized and thankfully has apparently
Speaker 9: stopped doing it. Using this information they're collecting from newer cars,
Speaker 9: they're selling it to insurance companies. You know, deep down
Speaker 9: inside all the stuff you sign when you buy the car,
Speaker 9: apparently you're signing off on your rights. And this is
Speaker 9: different than like you go to all State and you
Speaker 9: choose to participate in a program that will help reduce
Speaker 9: your insurance breams by plugging a device into your car.
Speaker 9: It is collecting the data and selling it and then
Speaker 9: you know you're getting canful to your premiums. You're going
Speaker 9: up based on your driving it. And this is all
Speaker 9: well documented, by the way.
Speaker 6: So when you take.
Speaker 9: Those things into consideration, and these are theoretically friendly American companies, right.
Speaker 9: Imagine what an adversarial company or a company controlled by
Speaker 9: our adversaries in China. And I remind people I link
Speaker 9: to this as well.
Speaker 2: China has a law that.
Speaker 9: Dictates the Chinese companies must turn over any information they
Speaker 9: want to the Chinese government. I get, I want to
Speaker 9: it in there you can go see for themselves. So
Speaker 9: now imagine you buy a Chinese EV because it's dirt
Speaker 9: chy and it's collecting all this information about you everywhere
Speaker 9: you go, everything you do, everyone you talk to, sending
Speaker 9: all that back to China. That's bad enough. But then
Speaker 9: when you think about Cary Jeff and I know I'm
Speaker 9: going along here, but the possibility also well documented. You know,
Speaker 9: there's a Wired story back in twenty fifteen where hackers
Speaker 9: took over a youth Grand Cherokee and it caused the recall.
Speaker 9: Imagine if at four PM on Friday afternoon a command
Speaker 9: was sent out to Chinese vehicles to just accelerate or
Speaker 9: accelerate into a project that was mapped in the car's coordinates.
Speaker 9: I mean, this is not far effected. And by the way,
Speaker 9: as crazy as probably sounds to everyone, the Biden administration
Speaker 9: has finally gotten around to coming out against Chinese evs.
Speaker 9: I also linked to that in there as well. So, yeah,
Speaker 9: this is a real threat and it's crazy to think
Speaker 9: we would allow these rolling spy devices in our country
Speaker 9: based on our current relations with them.
Speaker 1: Well maybe maybe Trump, if he gets into office, will
Speaker 1: impose one thousand percent terrify on Chinese eviees don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think one hundred percent is enough because you know
Speaker 1: there are people, Dave, regardless of all of these inherent
Speaker 1: and obvious dangers, that people are going to see the
Speaker 1: price tag and they're just going to do it anyway.
Speaker 9: I mean, I think that's probably true unfortunately carriage. Yeah,
Speaker 9: so you know, A, I appreciate the opportunity to chat
Speaker 9: about this with you to try to raise awareness. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I appreciate the Tribune run of us off ed. I
Speaker 9: hope more more papers around the state and the region
Speaker 9: and the country pick it up. And you know, I'm
Speaker 9: always sharing this stuff on x and LinkedIn, so you know, the.
Speaker 1: Next yeah, the next the next story. Dave Hatter is
Speaker 1: so again something that we covered a few years back,
Speaker 1: and talking about the inherent dangers of America's infrastructure and
Speaker 1: how water systems and electrical grids and everything that we
Speaker 1: take for granted on a daily basis can be easily
Speaker 1: affected by hackers and turn that water supply into poison
Speaker 1: or turn our lights off, I mean any number of things,
Speaker 1: our food supply, whatever. American Water shut down online services
Speaker 1: after they had a cyber attack. This is just another
Speaker 1: another possibility of affecting something that we all need and
Speaker 1: we all take for granted and think is always going
Speaker 1: to be there one day it's not. And you can't
Speaker 1: live without water, So tell me what you know about this.
Speaker 9: Yeah, this is this is pretty disturbing for the reasons
Speaker 9: you stated to your point, you can't live without water.
Speaker 9: You know, the FBI has identified sixteen critical infrastructure sectors,
Speaker 9: water obviously being a critical component, the electric being a
Speaker 9: critical component, and when you look at statements by the
Speaker 9: FBI and other Homeland to Sense related agencies, right DHS
Speaker 9: says even the e PA. The e PA has gotten
Speaker 9: involved with these wastewater and water plants with warnings and
Speaker 9: guidance for how to secure themselves. You know, you can't
Speaker 9: live too long without water. It's pretty critical and Obviously,
Speaker 9: electricity makes it possible to pump the water and all
Speaker 9: that sort of, and so you know, a lot of
Speaker 9: this stuff is interconnected. If you can knock out the
Speaker 9: electric grigs for any substantial period of time, however you
Speaker 9: did it, emp electric vehicles that drive into substations and
Speaker 9: take them out, cyber attack whatever, you know, it's going
Speaker 9: to have a potentially catastrophic effect. You know, the good
Speaker 9: news Gary Jeff, is that there's more and more emphasis
Speaker 9: and awareness around this, I think, both with the general public,
Speaker 9: the people that run these operations, the government.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 9: The bad news is when you look at reporting or
Speaker 9: you know reports from the FBI. You know, FBI Director
Speaker 9: Ray has said he believes that the Chinese Communist Party
Speaker 9: the PRC, has roughly a fifty to one advantage in
Speaker 9: terms of hackers and capabilities to our capabilities. And when
Speaker 9: you think about how dependent we are on all this
Speaker 9: stuff and how interconnected everything is, and we think about
Speaker 9: the third party risk to this. So you know, some
Speaker 9: of the biggest hacks so far, Target for example, a
Speaker 9: few years ago, we're not because Target themselves were hacked.
Speaker 9: A third party vendor doing work for Target was hacked
Speaker 9: and the hackers leveraged that third party vendor to get
Speaker 9: into target systems. The same even if even if your
Speaker 9: average you know, water utility or electric utility is doing
Speaker 9: all the right things, it's entirely possible they have a
Speaker 9: vendor that gets hacked. So again, I hate to be
Speaker 9: the doomsday guy on this stuff, Jeff, but I mean,
Speaker 9: we just simply have got to take this seriously. We've
Speaker 9: got to take this seriously. We've got to put money
Speaker 9: into this. We have to insist that these organizations are doing,
Speaker 9: you know, the right things to try to protect our
Speaker 9: water supply. So it's you know, American Water apparently supplies
Speaker 9: water to about fourteen million people and about fourteen different states,
Speaker 9: including the military installations. This is a pretty good sized operation.
Speaker 9: You know, they had to take some systems offline. Now
Speaker 9: there's no indication at this point, but the water supply
Speaker 9: itself was impacted. But you know, this is one of
Speaker 9: many water plants, including the Ultimore Water Plant Florida, where
Speaker 9: that was not the case thankfully, then one was hurt
Speaker 9: where you know, eventually, whether you shut these things down
Speaker 9: or you contaminate the water. You know, if we don't
Speaker 9: get real serious about especially these critical infrastructure type of operations.
Speaker 9: Something terrible is going to happen. It's just a matter
Speaker 9: of time. And you know, we have got to demand
Speaker 9: this of our representatives. They need to demand this of
Speaker 9: these organizations need to be making You know, we seem
Speaker 9: to have money for all kinds of things that do
Speaker 9: little to protect your your family, your business, are our society.
Speaker 9: And yet you know, these kind of things always seem
Speaker 9: to be at the bottom of the barrel, which I
Speaker 9: don't understand because of the the existential nature of some
Speaker 9: of this stuff.
Speaker 2: What I have, what I've always wondered, Dave Patter, is.
Speaker 1: Why when they installed all these smart systems and put
Speaker 1: everything online, did they not retain some of the old
Speaker 1: analog in infrastructure and have that as a redundant backup
Speaker 1: if they have to take something offline for something like
Speaker 1: a cyber attack or a hack that could poison millions
Speaker 1: of people's water. I don't know what Northern Kentucky Water
Speaker 1: District has in their fold. We both live in Northern Kentucky,
Speaker 1: but I think it'd be a smart idea anytime you
Speaker 1: institute new technology to leave as much of the old
Speaker 1: technology around just in case. I mean, don't you think
Speaker 1: that's kind of part of the answer is to maybe
Speaker 1: rebuild it.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was gonna say my guest Garret Jeff, but
Speaker 9: I'll tell you for what it's worth. With the Northern
Speaker 9: Kentucky Water District, you know, I talked to them pretty
Speaker 9: rarely about this stuff. I know they take it seriously.
Speaker 9: Now I'm not pretty to you know what they're doing
Speaker 9: about it internally, but I can tell you they take
Speaker 9: it seriously, which is good. You know. I think in
Speaker 9: many cases probably some of the manual stuff is there.
Speaker 9: I mean, just digging a little bit deeper into this
Speaker 9: particular story because on to say, this incident follows a
Speaker 9: similar one that impacted the water treatment facility at Arkansas City, Cansas,
Speaker 9: which is forced to switch the manual operations after a
Speaker 9: weekend cyber attacks. So my guess is in most cases
Speaker 9: they probably do have manual overrides for this stuff. And
Speaker 9: you know, the reason why most of this sort of
Speaker 9: automation has added is because in theory, it helps you
Speaker 9: be you know, more productive, more efficient at lowers your costs.
Speaker 9: It gets you better insight into what's going on. You know,
Speaker 9: when you have sensors and all these you know, electronic
Speaker 9: systems in place that can do things, automatically, adjust things
Speaker 9: automatically gives you better metrics. You know, I think you
Speaker 9: can make a strong case for why these things make sense.
Speaker 9: The downside, though, is as we become increasingly reliant on this,
Speaker 9: and we eliminate manual systems, you know, or fall back
Speaker 9: type processes, and if we don't take the security of
Speaker 9: these things seriously. And I would argue the productivity benefits,
Speaker 9: the efficiency benefits should be way in a critical infrastructure
Speaker 9: situation like water should be way secondary to the safety
Speaker 9: and security of the equipment the water apply, you know,
Speaker 9: their rate payers, et cetera. Amen, I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 9: saying when you look at the legacy systems a lot
Speaker 9: of these people have, and the fact that a lot
Speaker 9: of this stuff was, we said so many kids before,
Speaker 9: designed at a time when these kinds of concerns were
Speaker 9: less relevant. You know, I don't think we're there, and
Speaker 9: I think we really had got to as a nation
Speaker 9: get absolutely laser focused on protecting this critical infrastructure all right,
Speaker 9: before something terrible happened.
Speaker 1: Let's address these next two topics rather quickly, because we've
Speaker 1: gone on quite a bit.
Speaker 2: I need to have a gomer pile.
Speaker 1: Surprise, surprise surprise for this segment. Study finds TikTok mutes
Speaker 1: descent against China. Isn't TikTok in a way a wholly
Speaker 1: owned subsidiary by the People's Republic of China.
Speaker 9: Well, well it is. And it goes back to what
Speaker 9: we were saying on it about Chinese electric vehicles. I mean,
Speaker 9: people have got to understand whether it's a software app,
Speaker 9: a platform, a product that's got software in it like
Speaker 9: a Chinese be if it comes from China, the manufacturers
Speaker 9: are under control of the Chinese Communist Party and they
Speaker 9: are required by Chinese want to basically turn over information
Speaker 9: or do whatever they're told. Could to be planning backdoors
Speaker 9: and this stuff for China to have access to to
Speaker 9: use to weaponize a vehicle or whatever. Yeah, they absolutely could.
Speaker 9: You know, you and I have been on the TikTok
Speaker 9: thing for a long time, and you know TikTok theoretically
Speaker 9: is going to be banned. You know, I could go
Speaker 9: on and on and on about the privacy and security
Speaker 9: problems of TikTok that go back many many years and
Speaker 9: are well documented, Like a TikTok heating feature that ties
Speaker 9: into this story, which allows them to since we you know,
Speaker 9: amplify any message they want while making it appear like
Speaker 9: it's just naturally occurring on the app. And you know
Speaker 9: this this study here, people can go rate it themselves.
Speaker 9: This story is from the monitor. You know, here's the
Speaker 9: long the shirt study. For the study, researcher set up
Speaker 9: twenty four accounts on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube, simulating sixteen
Speaker 9: order users in the US testing the algorithms these platforms
Speaker 9: using four keywords link to the CCP's human rights violations Weiger, Xinjang, Tibet,
Speaker 9: and Tianamen. And you know it goes on to show
Speaker 9: how TikTok seems to be suppressing these messages because obviously
Speaker 9: it's not in the interest of the Chinese comins Party.
Speaker 9: So you know, I just would keep reminding people when
Speaker 9: you use TikTok, you do it at your own peril.
Speaker 9: Look at go to the Apple app Store, look at
Speaker 9: the privacy label for TikTok and see the information that's
Speaker 9: collecting from your device, and then ask yourself, why in
Speaker 9: the world would you want them to be able to
Speaker 9: collect things like your location YEP or the contact information
Speaker 9: out of your phone when you know they're obviously not
Speaker 9: operating in the best entrance of the American citizens. So
Speaker 9: people should go read this for themselves. I've shared it,
Speaker 9: you can see it on in my social media.
Speaker 1: Well, you know a lot of people like me are
Speaker 1: more and more shouting America first. It's no surprise that
Speaker 1: the Communist Chinese Party would be shouting CCP first. Sure,
Speaker 1: let's go to this last topic with a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes to discuss twenty three and me.
Speaker 2: You know that where you can trace.
Speaker 1: Your roots and find out where you came from.
Speaker 2: They are in the brink of what bankruptcy apparently?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what happens to all the DNA they've collected.
Speaker 1: They got mountain loads of data on citizens from all over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just out there.
Speaker 9: What's funny, Gary Jeffers, when you started with the gomer pal, surprise, surprise,
Speaker 9: I thought you were going for this story because I
Speaker 9: could have predicted a long time ago that it would
Speaker 9: be a terrible idea to send your DNA off to
Speaker 9: a company like this, because who knows where it will
Speaker 9: ultimately end up. And you know, at one time, twenty
Speaker 9: three and Me was a you know, a unicorn six
Speaker 9: billion dollar evaluation. But like they found with other companies
Speaker 9: similar to this. You know, once you have done this,
Speaker 9: once you as an individual, well, what do you need
Speaker 9: twenty three and me for again? And the answer is
Speaker 9: you don't. So apparently you know, they're having a lot
Speaker 9: of business problems. And now the question becomes, Okay, if
Speaker 9: you've surprised supplied this incredibly sensitive data about yourself, what happens.
Speaker 10: If they go out of business?
Speaker 9: Who is it sold to?
Speaker 12: What do they do with it?
Speaker 9: To do to they sell it to you? This, in
Speaker 9: large part, to me, speaks to the lack of a
Speaker 9: national privacy law, but also speaks to the idea that
Speaker 9: while these things are cool and I get it, you know,
Speaker 9: the idea that you're going to send off something where
Speaker 9: let's say, this data did fall into the hands of
Speaker 9: the Chinese Communist Party. Now I'm not a scientist, and
Speaker 9: again I hate to always be the Deems Day tentral
Speaker 9: hack guy, but you know, we've talked about bioweapons and
Speaker 9: so forth, and you know, customizing viruses and so forth
Speaker 9: to attack certain you know, traits in people. I mean,
Speaker 9: this is not out of the realm of out of
Speaker 9: the realm of science at this point. Imagine all this
Speaker 9: data of fifteen million Americans being handed off to them
Speaker 9: and how they might be able to use that in
Speaker 9: ways that you couldn't possibly think of. Could you be
Speaker 9: potentially excluded from jobs in the future because now they
Speaker 9: have your DNA data, I know you're more likely to
Speaker 9: get a certain disease or whatever. Yeah, yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 1: The fact I've never I'm sorry, finish your that's your thought. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just running out of time for us tonight, and
Speaker 1: I was just thinking to myself, thank god my family
Speaker 1: tree does not fork.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you, I hear you, Dave, go ahead.
Speaker 10: Always my pleasure.
Speaker 9: I'm just gonna say I would never have given my
Speaker 9: information to them. I have not encouraged people for a
Speaker 9: long time, and I hate to say once again, I
Speaker 9: wish people would listen while I say that's been a
Speaker 9: good idea.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope that they're listening tonight, Dave, and they
Speaker 1: will heed your warnings as always, Dave had Or thank
Speaker 1: you so much, my.
Speaker 9: Friend, Always my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thanks yeh, all right, bye bye, it's the night cabin.
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Speaker 1: anticipation of the book coming out, and you were doing
Speaker 1: the media hits this.
Speaker 2: Week and who knew that the day.
Speaker 1: After Pete Rose had died, we would be talking about
Speaker 1: the World Series. And as you mentioned, Pete Rose was
Speaker 1: made for the World Series.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean in our lifetime and they were about
Speaker 12: the same age. I mean, who else but Pete really
Speaker 12: was made for the big stage. Other maybe this guy
Speaker 12: like Reggie Jackson. But I mean when you're talking about
Speaker 12: a big game player. You know, he played on three
Speaker 12: different World champions. You know, Pete, it just didn't didn't
Speaker 12: seem that he would ever be gone. You know, he
Speaker 12: still saw him an interviews, signing, autographs. There's that new
Speaker 12: special that they have out on HBO about him at
Speaker 12: I think it's a three or four part documentary. So
Speaker 12: it's just hard to believe he's gone.
Speaker 2: No, Jeff.
Speaker 1: Three days ago, Pete was out at an autograph signing.
Speaker 1: I know people who were there, and yeah, what was
Speaker 1: also not disclosed to the public. And am my assumption
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I'm not a medical professional and
Speaker 1: I wasn't there with Pete. But my perception from what
Speaker 1: I've been hearing for the last year is that Pete
Speaker 1: was in not good health at all. He's eighty three
Speaker 1: years old and at this card signing, supposedly he was
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair just two three days ago. So well,
Speaker 1: it's shocking, it's not to be unexpected. A lot of people,
Speaker 1: as I've mentioned before, die of eighty three. They have
Speaker 1: determined the cause of death yet in Las Vegas. But
Speaker 1: let's get onto this book. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Let's
Speaker 1: get onto you and this book and your involvement in
Speaker 1: this book. Jeff Rohdeimer Shadows of Glory. You became a
Speaker 1: baseball fan. Attended your first major league game in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty six. I was about a year behind you when
Speaker 1: my third grid class took a field trip out to
Speaker 1: Wrigley Field. We lived in suburban Chicago at the time,
Speaker 1: and I just was My eyes were just wide open,
Speaker 1: my mouth dropped the first time I walked in to
Speaker 1: that incredible venue and saw the ivy on the walls.
Speaker 1: It had an atmosphere of its own, really it did.
Speaker 1: What was your first.
Speaker 12: Game, Well, it was the Yankees of the mid sixties,
Speaker 12: right after they started going downhill, after Mantle and Whitey
Speaker 12: Ford were starting to lose their grip, and they were
Speaker 12: playing the Washington Centers. It seemed like every game that
Speaker 12: my father took me to was against the Washington Senators.
Speaker 12: But like you, I just I remember just walking into
Speaker 12: that huge stadium, that incredibly green field, And I mean
Speaker 12: I was already a baseball fan, but I was hooked
Speaker 12: after that, There's no doubt about it. And you know,
Speaker 12: you fast forward another ten or twelve years and I
Speaker 12: meet Dave Brown at Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania, and turns
Speaker 12: out we've got this, you know, shared crazy love of baseball,
Speaker 12: baseball trivia, statistics, baseball history. Then you fast forward to
Speaker 12: two thousand and Davis started a writing career of his
Speaker 12: own in his first book as a baseball trivia book.
Speaker 12: And you stayed in touch all this time, and it
Speaker 12: led up to us collaborating on this book, starting really
Speaker 12: in about twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the back of the book because I
Speaker 1: don't want to give away the great stories you guys
Speaker 1: have compiled for this, But this quote from Mickey Rivers,
Speaker 1: who was a center fielder for the seventy seven and
Speaker 1: seventy eight World champion Yankees and the nineteen seventy six
Speaker 1: World Series team. He said, I once played a game
Speaker 1: for the Texas Rangers while I was still on the
Speaker 1: roster of the New York Yankees, So I know all
Speaker 1: about the crazy and unusual baseball stories. Shadows of Gloria
Speaker 1: is full of these kinds of stories from the World Series,
Speaker 1: like the time the owner of the A's tried to
Speaker 1: throw one of his own players off the team in
Speaker 1: the middle of that seventy three series. Do you have
Speaker 1: any because I haven't delved deeply into the book yet,
Speaker 1: Jeff Rohdeimer, But have you guys have stories about the
Speaker 1: Reds in the World Series, the Big Red Machine, and
Speaker 1: you know, especially the nineteen ninety World Series where the
Speaker 1: Reds went wire to wire and then swept the Oakland A's.
Speaker 1: Do you have some memories of that in Shades of Glory?
Speaker 12: Well, Shadows of Glory in fact, yeah. And you know,
Speaker 12: the theme of the book is kind of lesser known, underreported,
Speaker 12: maybe odd or curious things that people might have even
Speaker 12: forgotten in some cases. But the nineteen ninety one is
Speaker 12: a good one because you know, we think of the
Speaker 12: World Series as this incredibly polished, you know, Madison Avenue
Speaker 12: pr event. That's what it's become, right. You know, every
Speaker 12: major network has a cast of analysts and ex players,
Speaker 12: you know, TBS, MLB Network, Fox, ESPN, they've all got
Speaker 12: coverage of these games, right, so it's hard to believe
Speaker 12: that some of these things could have actually happened in
Speaker 12: a World Series, and again maybe at a time when
Speaker 12: it was lesser a pr event. But in nineteen ninety,
Speaker 12: you know, you got Tom Browning, who was a really
Speaker 12: good pitcher for the Reds, disappearing from a game because
Speaker 12: his wife is about to give birth, and he leaves
Speaker 12: the stadium in uniform, thinking he's not going to pitch
Speaker 12: because he pitched the day before and that he's not
Speaker 12: going to be needed. But while he's on his way
Speaker 12: to the hospital and apparently nobody really knew where he
Speaker 12: was going, Luke Panella starts getting worried that this game
Speaker 12: is going to go into extra innings and he might
Speaker 12: need some of these guys to step forward, and he
Speaker 12: calls down to the bullpen and he sells the bullpen
Speaker 12: coach get Browning warm, and they have to call him
Speaker 12: back and say, we don't know where he is. And
Speaker 12: sure enough, he's gone to the hospital in full uniform
Speaker 12: for his wife's delivery. But this is you know, free
Speaker 12: cell phones for the most part, and there's no way
Speaker 12: to get in touch with him to tell him come
Speaker 12: around to get back. So they put the word out
Speaker 12: first of all on the local broadcast of the game.
Speaker 12: I think through the Cincinnati announcers that hey, you know, Tom,
Speaker 12: if you're listening to this broadcast, please go back to
Speaker 12: the ballpark. Lukenel is looking for you. And the nationwide broadcast,
Speaker 12: and I think it was Tim McCarver who was doing
Speaker 12: the game who will probably NBC at the time gets
Speaker 12: wind of what's going on, and then they broadcast that
Speaker 12: same plea over the air of the entire national audience
Speaker 12: that's watching the game, and eventually it gets it gets
Speaker 12: through to the hospital where where Brownie is. But he's
Speaker 12: not going back at that point. He's he's where he
Speaker 12: is and he's not coming back to the stadium. So
Speaker 12: but you just don't think of something like that happening
Speaker 12: in today's superstructured, organized, you know, world series climate. So yeah,
Speaker 12: that was that was probably the big red story of
Speaker 12: the book. Again, you know a lot of people in
Speaker 12: Cincinnati probably remember that, but the rest of the country
Speaker 12: probably has forgotten about it. Were Again, for us, the
Speaker 12: idea was that, you know, if we could write a
Speaker 12: story that a reader, maybe somebody a little bit newer
Speaker 12: to baseball looks at and say, I can't believe that
Speaker 12: could happen in a World Series. Then we know that
Speaker 12: we found something.
Speaker 1: Well, and you guys go way back, I mean, you
Speaker 1: go back to the actual beginnings of the World Series.
Speaker 1: I was just flipping through the book right now as
Speaker 1: we're talking, the book by the Way of Shadows of Glory,
Speaker 1: Memorable and Off the World World Series Stories, authored by
Speaker 1: Dave Brown and our guest Jeff Rodeimer, and I just
Speaker 1: turned to chapter.
Speaker 2: Five, Owner's remorse.
Speaker 1: The only time in Major League Baseball history, maybe in
Speaker 1: the entire history of American sports, a team owner declined
Speaker 1: to accept a World Series championship. This was in nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty five, so obviously I don't remember, but it goes
Speaker 1: back to your what you just said about for the
Speaker 1: young baseball fan who has no idea about the history
Speaker 1: of the Fall Classic, the way you guys dived into it,
Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about this particular world series.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and that was one that Dave had picked out
Speaker 12: early that I knew literally nothing about. And I knew
Speaker 12: the story of the Washington Senators of the mid twenties
Speaker 12: and Walter Johnson's last few years, and in twenty four
Speaker 12: the Senators had won an unlikely championship, and Johnson late
Speaker 12: in his career was kind of the bell cow. I mean,
Speaker 12: he helped bring that pen at home. But in twenty
Speaker 12: five they're playing the Pirates and they get to a
Speaker 12: game seven. It's all tied up, and Johnson's still with
Speaker 12: the Senators, but it is a terrible forecasts for the game.
Speaker 12: They decide they're going to play the game anyway. It's
Speaker 12: in Washington, and they start the game in torrential conditions
Speaker 12: and it only gets worse, and at the end of
Speaker 12: the fifth inning, the Commissioner of Baseball KNNI saw Mountain Lands,
Speaker 12: who was in the stands, waves the Washington owner over
Speaker 12: and says, I'm declayer in this game over, you have
Speaker 12: won the championship, and to his credit, the owner of
Speaker 12: the Senators said, nope, listen, we started the game in
Speaker 12: the rain. We knew what we were doing. We're finishing
Speaker 12: this game in the rain. There's no way that the
Speaker 12: World Series is going to be decided on a five
Speaker 12: inning game. And they completed the game. Walter Johnson made
Speaker 12: another appearance, in this time Pittsburgh got to him and
Speaker 12: they won in an extremely sloppy game, but the Pirates
Speaker 12: ended up getting the World Series just four innings after
Speaker 12: the Washington Centers literally had it handed to them.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a great detailing not only of the history
Speaker 1: of the World Series, but the offbeat stories that people
Speaker 1: may not be familiar with, especially going back that far.
Speaker 1: For sure, it's also a chronicle of American history. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at chapter thirteen. The title is The War,
Speaker 1: the Flu and the Babe about World War One and
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighteen World Series.
Speaker 12: Your thoughts, Yeah, and that's one that was partly inspired
Speaker 12: by the fact that we were writing this book during
Speaker 12: the COVID pandemic and in nineteen eighteen, the Spanish flew,
Speaker 12: which was a bigger global pandemic than COVID, was running
Speaker 12: rampant through the United States. And not only that, you
Speaker 12: combine that with the fact that World War One was
Speaker 12: raging in Europe and a lot of players from the
Speaker 12: major leagues had already either enlisted or been drafted. And
Speaker 12: so this led to the first and only World Series
Speaker 12: it was ever played entirely in September, and ironically, the
Speaker 12: global pandemic was not the big deal during that World Series.
Speaker 12: It was more about World War One and the fact
Speaker 12: that the War Department did not want Major League Baseball
Speaker 12: to continue playing. They gave them an exception to finish
Speaker 12: the season by September first, and then that was supposed
Speaker 12: to be it. And then the owners pleaded with the
Speaker 12: War Department to let them at least finish out and
Speaker 12: play the World Series, which they conceded and allowed to happen.
Speaker 12: So that's oldest chapter in the book that goes back
Speaker 12: to nineteen eighteen. It's a chapter where the Cubs and
Speaker 12: the Red Sox squaring off, and then the book end
Speaker 12: to that is the Cleveland Indian Chicago Cubs series in
Speaker 12: two sixteen. But in that twenty eighteen series, a whole
Speaker 12: bunch of things happened. It was the first time the
Speaker 12: Star Spangled banner was ever played. During the World Series,
Speaker 12: there was a threatened player strike when the players found
Speaker 12: out that the owners had conspired to cut the players
Speaker 12: cut of the profits and the World Series bonuses way
Speaker 12: down by giving off some of the World Series proceeds
Speaker 12: to the second and third place finishers in the regular season,
Speaker 12: and so they threatened to go on strike, and at
Speaker 12: the beginning of Game five they were nowhere to be found.
Speaker 12: They were going to strike until the president of the
Speaker 12: Major of the American League stormed into the Red Sox clubhouse.
Speaker 12: Trunk is a monkey, and I promised to ruin them all.
Speaker 12: And they came out and they finished the World Series.
Speaker 12: And then something that is completely aren't to today's game.
Speaker 12: In an effort to keep Babe Ruth on the bench
Speaker 12: on the days when he was not pitching, because he
Speaker 12: was still a pitcher for the Red Sox at the time,
Speaker 12: the Cubs decided that they were only going to have
Speaker 12: left handed pitchers pitched during the World Series. In over
Speaker 12: six games and fifty six innings, they had two lefties
Speaker 12: who pitched fifty four of those fifty six innings.
Speaker 1: Everybody, incredible, everybody who's a Reds fan and a lifelong
Speaker 1: Reds fan and maybe a little bit longer in the tooth,
Speaker 1: will remember Carlton Fisk's home run with the Red Sox
Speaker 1: against the Reds. But there were other things that obviously
Speaker 1: in the Reds won that series. Even though Carlton Fisk
Speaker 1: wins the with the walk off in that game, there
Speaker 1: were a lot of other things that happened in that
Speaker 1: World Series that are probably not as well known, but
Speaker 1: probably just as impactful as Carlton Fisk's home run in
Speaker 1: that particular series.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and that's a good point, because there were a
Speaker 12: lot of stories that we consciously stayed away from only
Speaker 12: because we didn't think that we could bring much more
Speaker 12: to the table. So carton Fisk's home run, and there
Speaker 12: were certainly some backstories there. But you know, the Perfect
Speaker 12: Game by Don Larson in fifty six, Reggie Jackson hitting
Speaker 12: three home runs in Game six of the seventy seven
Speaker 12: World Series. It's hard, you know, to find something new
Speaker 12: that you can really write about, So our focus really
Speaker 12: was on some of these lesser known events. But over
Speaker 12: eighteen chapters, we covered at least twenty two teams, including
Speaker 12: a chapter on the Negro League World Series of nineteen
Speaker 12: forty two, which, you know, for shenanigans and hijinks, it
Speaker 12: almost can't be beat. You know, the stuff that went
Speaker 12: on in that World series absolutely would be foreign to
Speaker 12: anybody you know watching the game today.
Speaker 2: As good as the Savannah Bananas.
Speaker 12: Well, you know what, not too far off, because like
Speaker 12: the Bananas, they did a lot of barnstorming, and in fact,
Speaker 12: this is a world series where they decided that Kansas
Speaker 12: City and the Homestead Grades would play each game in
Speaker 12: a different city. And right off the bat, you know,
Speaker 12: you read about this and you're thinking, oh gee, what
Speaker 12: could go wrong there? So after three games, they find
Speaker 12: out that Game four, which is supposed to be in
Speaker 12: Kansas City, can't be played because they don't have permission
Speaker 12: and the rights for the stadium for that game. So
Speaker 12: the World Series gets stopped right in its tracks, and
Speaker 12: they go on a hiatus of about eight or nine days.
Speaker 12: And so the teams did what they do, They went
Speaker 12: out barnstorming. And so now the Homestead Grades and the
Speaker 12: Kansas City Monarchs are actually playing exhibition games against each
Speaker 12: other to make money, but games that don't count. And
Speaker 12: so during the course of this barnstorming period, a bunch
Speaker 12: of the guys in the Kansas City Monarchs I'm sorry, yeah,
Speaker 12: they start you know, kind of wandering or it's the
Speaker 12: Homestead Grades, they start wandering off. And so when they
Speaker 12: come back to complete the World Series, all of a sudden,
Speaker 12: they don't look like the same team. The Homestead Grays
Speaker 12: have three ringers from the newer Eagles on their team,
Speaker 12: and so they play the fourth game, it's under protest,
Speaker 12: all the owners get together and they finally agree, now
Speaker 12: we can't allow this, and they finish out the series
Speaker 12: with the rosters that they started with. But you know,
Speaker 12: guys had left the team because they thought they weren't
Speaker 12: going to get paid sure, and they were afraid the
Speaker 12: World Series wouldn't start again, so they took off, and
Speaker 12: then you know, the owner of the Homestead Grays, starts
Speaker 12: reassembling a team that doesn't look at anything like the
Speaker 12: one that they started the series with.
Speaker 1: Jeff Rodeimer, thank you so much, Avid baseball fan, co
Speaker 1: author with Dave Brown of Shadows of Glory Memorable and
Speaker 1: Offbeat World Series Stories. Hello to your wife Peggy, and
Speaker 1: to your parent Rocky, and thanks for johinaus Well.
Speaker 12: I appreciate it, and anybody who's interested in finding out
Speaker 12: more can go to Shadows of glorybook dot com. That's
Speaker 12: our website. And Gary, it was great to talk to you.
Speaker 12: Thanks for having me on. Thank you, sir.
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Speaker 1: I look forward to these conversations the same way I
Speaker 1: look forward to bathing. Well, I don't know I don't
Speaker 1: bathe that much, but I don't talk to wild Man
Speaker 1: but once a week, so it's about the same.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: We're talking with the one and only Wildman Walker, the
Speaker 1: sports Commando, and we are six weeks deep into the
Speaker 1: NFL season, and some things are becoming very, very apparent
Speaker 1: as we watch the National Football League, and wild Man,
Speaker 1: I know that you are glued as a fan to
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals and the Cincinnati Reds during baseball season,
Speaker 1: and the Bearcats and all the rest of that. But
Speaker 1: let's focus on generally the state of the NFL as
Speaker 1: we sit at the end of almost the other week.
Speaker 6: Six.
Speaker 1: Got Monday Night football going on right now as we speak.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I gleaned from yesterday's games
Speaker 1: and the season to this point is that no one
Speaker 1: will stop the Baltimore Ravens on offense unless it's the
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. I think they're the only team that can
Speaker 1: stop themselves with an interception or a fumble or a
Speaker 1: special special teams gaff.
Speaker 2: But they don't make many of them.
Speaker 1: That was, again, just a thing to make you go
Speaker 1: with your mouth wide open a gape and go, oh
Speaker 1: my god, how does anybody stop the Ravens?
Speaker 14: You know what I mean, I'm surprising they bring up
Speaker 14: first the Dallas Cowboys suffering their worst home loss under
Speaker 14: Jerry Jones.
Speaker 6: That was the best news of the day.
Speaker 2: We can get to that in a moment.
Speaker 1: But speak, but speak to the offensive might and the
Speaker 1: defensive might of the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't stop.
Speaker 1: The Bengals, but the Bengals couldn't stop the Ravens, and
Speaker 1: neither could whoever that was yesterday against. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it's amazing how when Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: are on their game. Is there any team that can
Speaker 1: stop them?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 14: I think there's a number of teams they can stop them.
Speaker 14: I think the Chiefs can stop them.
Speaker 6: I think if.
Speaker 14: Baltimore and Green Bay get together, Green Bays I got
Speaker 14: a very good quarterback now he's coming of age. People
Speaker 14: forgetting about Jordan Love. There's a number of teams that
Speaker 14: can stop the Ravens. I think they're One of the
Speaker 14: things that stands out is because they're in our division.
Speaker 6: You got to see them twice a year.
Speaker 1: Right exactly. And let's look at the bottom of the division.
Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns. This franchise is either cursed or because
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who the general manager is, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter who the coach is. And they bring in these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are going to be the savior of the franchise,
Speaker 1: like Deshaun Watson, and Cleveland continues to just suck.
Speaker 14: There's that list that's out there about how many quarterbacks
Speaker 14: the Browns have employed since they got the Cleveland franchise.
Speaker 6: It's really it's like, it's just it's it's as long
Speaker 6: as Warren Peace. It really is.
Speaker 14: I Deshaun Watson, they just need to like, here's your
Speaker 14: money and go away. But they're not gonna do it.
Speaker 14: They're not gonna do it, and they are a train wreck.
Speaker 14: The thing is, their defense is not that bad. It's
Speaker 14: you know, really on offense. It's really on all desha Watson.
Speaker 2: They're a train wreck. Year after year. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Remember Tim Couch was gonna be the number one pick
Speaker 1: out of UK just a stellar college career, and you know,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't ready for prime time.
Speaker 6: And well there's Johnny Football. Forget about Tonny football.
Speaker 1: I don't forget about Johnny Manziel. Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 6: Mind.
Speaker 2: Well, they just keep on keeping on, don't they.
Speaker 14: They have a formula and they haven't gone away from
Speaker 14: it since the days of Chuck No.
Speaker 6: They they they've developed.
Speaker 14: That formula and they went with that formula and if
Speaker 14: you don't want to play with that formula, they'll get
Speaker 14: ready and replace it with somebody else.
Speaker 6: And has been successful.
Speaker 1: Okay, you brought up the worst Dallas Cowboys home loss
Speaker 1: ever in front of Jerry Jones, God and everybody in Dallas.
Speaker 6: On his birthday, on his birthday.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 7: I know?
Speaker 2: So, I mean, what's what's the problem with Dallas? Geez?
Speaker 14: Well, they don't have much of a running game, are not?
Speaker 14: They don't have much of a running game. I don't
Speaker 14: know why they signed the Zeke Elliott onnoll. What was
Speaker 14: that that thinking was? And then right now they just
Speaker 14: can't get anything going. I mean when they're.
Speaker 6: Stuck in a rut.
Speaker 14: Well, Dak Prescott, that that contract, you know, and all
Speaker 14: that went on and on and on and on, and
Speaker 14: he's a good quarterback, but for that kind of money,
Speaker 14: I mean, he got to be scoring touchdowns every time.
Speaker 2: He has the ball.
Speaker 14: They're the they're a mass I don't know. Mike mccarthy'll
Speaker 14: make it through the end of the season. Now, Jerry
Speaker 14: Jones is he loves to hire and fire coaches.
Speaker 1: I talked to a Dallas Cowboys fan just last week
Speaker 1: wild Man and brought up the the Jerry Jones thing,
Speaker 1: and he said, Jerry Jones doesn't need to be anywhere
Speaker 1: near football making decisions.
Speaker 2: He's proven that now over twenty years.
Speaker 14: I couldn't agree more. I could not agree more. It's like,
Speaker 14: just you know, here here here, will pick a good
Speaker 14: we'll get ahead coach, we'll get a GM. I'll just stack,
Speaker 14: I'll just step back and that you guys do your thing.
Speaker 14: But they Jerry Jones's ego. I mean, let's face it,
Speaker 14: Jimmy Johnson should still be coaching this football team.
Speaker 6: But Jerry Jones.
Speaker 14: Couldn't deal with the ego, you know, because because Jimmy Johnson,
Speaker 14: everybody loves Jimmy Johnson, not envery Jerry Jones couldn't stand it.
Speaker 1: Not enough room in the in not enough room in
Speaker 1: in in that room for for all those egos you're
Speaker 1: right about.
Speaker 14: Yeah, all I need, all I need to do is
Speaker 14: point out Gary jeff was one when Jimmy Johnson took
Speaker 14: over the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: They stunk, they stunk.
Speaker 14: Didn't take them long and they were Super Bowl champs
Speaker 14: and Jerry Jones couldn't deal with it.
Speaker 6: I don't know what that's crazy, it really is, you know.
Speaker 2: And conversely, wild Man Walker.
Speaker 1: The team that decimated the Cowboys in Dallas or in
Speaker 1: Arlington yesterday, the Detroit Lions, I mean, and God hoped
Speaker 1: that they find something to bridge the gap of that
Speaker 1: Asa Hutchinson, that terrible injury where he broke his tibia
Speaker 1: yesterday against the Cowboys. But I mean, Detroit looks like
Speaker 1: a world beater, and I think they've got a real chance.
Speaker 1: And I think the Falcons have a real chance again.
Speaker 1: And Kansas City and Houston, Texas, the Houston Texans in
Speaker 1: the AFC are looking pretty strong too, aren't they.
Speaker 14: Joe makes it yesterday one hundred and twenty five yards
Speaker 14: touchdown on the ground, a touchdown reception. They've got a
Speaker 14: very good young quarterback there. And you going back to
Speaker 14: the Lions, Yeah, they learned a lot from last year
Speaker 14: of how far they had advanced. They got a head
Speaker 14: coach that they all they would walk through a brick
Speaker 14: wall for that.
Speaker 6: Game, Campbell Lion, the Lion.
Speaker 14: The Lions are scary, they really are.
Speaker 6: They were scary.
Speaker 14: And it would be cool to see because the Lions
Speaker 14: have never been to the Super Bowl. You don't win one,
Speaker 14: they've never been there.
Speaker 2: Yep, it would be awesome.
Speaker 1: And then then Nick Sirianni, the coach of the Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 1: getting craped from the media because he was chirping with
Speaker 1: the fans.
Speaker 2: What do you think about it?
Speaker 14: I saw that and I don't know what he was saying,
Speaker 14: but you know how they are in Philadelphia. Man, you
Speaker 14: know they're going to give it to him. Why not
Speaker 14: give it back to him?
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Any teams on the West Coast
Speaker 1: did impress you?
Speaker 6: Not really?
Speaker 7: Not really.
Speaker 14: The forty nine ers, I think. I think the fortynters.
Speaker 14: Eventually we'll get it together. They're starting to play a
Speaker 14: little bit better. But so far, I haven't seen nothing that,
Speaker 14: you know, that knocks me over. The LA Chargers, they'll
Speaker 14: probably have a winning record on her hardball because they're
Speaker 14: building something there. The Rams that's a that's a that's
Speaker 14: a train wreck, much like the Cleveland Browns. All right, Well,
Speaker 14: the Arizona Cardinals are.
Speaker 6: Going on are going nowhere.
Speaker 2: No, we we saw that yesterday too.
Speaker 1: All right, wild Man up next, Let's set our sights
Speaker 1: on the Cincinnati Bengals already, who have now won a
Speaker 1: third of their games in this young NFL season.
Speaker 6: Hey two and four beach one man?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll talk about it when we reconvene
Speaker 1: in a moment after the break. Wild Man Walker on
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Speaker 1: Sam wis forever Cleveland Fans Never, It's the wild Man
Speaker 1: on the Nightcap with Gary Jeff on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: The Bengals get victory number two on the season after
Speaker 1: week number six. Wild Man, It's a step in the
Speaker 1: right direction. But let's think about who they've beaten. They've
Speaker 1: beaten the Carolina Panthers and the New York Giants. It's
Speaker 1: not exactly a great starting point to say, Okay, the
Speaker 1: Bengals are going to straighten things up and get to
Speaker 1: the playoffs.
Speaker 2: What do you think.
Speaker 6: Two road on the season so far?
Speaker 14: Winning on the road as tough for any team in
Speaker 14: the National Football League, And both of the Bengals wins
Speaker 14: have been on the road. Carolina, Okay, everybody expected us,
Speaker 14: the Bengals to win that game the Giants.
Speaker 6: A lot of people were iffy because.
Speaker 14: Of the Giants defense, and they have been moving the
Speaker 14: ball and they found a way to move the ball,
Speaker 14: which I don't think the Bengals expected with the Daniel
Speaker 14: Jones run around.
Speaker 6: Most were like eighty yards last night. But hey, they
Speaker 6: got the job done. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 14: They came out on the winning end of the scoreboard.
Speaker 14: The defense, the defense which we've all been hammering on.
Speaker 14: They made the big plays when they had to make
Speaker 14: the big plays. And you see the big difference on
Speaker 14: that defensive line when Sheldon Rankins is in there and
Speaker 14: bj Hill because that helps Trey Henderson and that helps
Speaker 14: Sam Hubbard, that helps the other guys, and you've got
Speaker 14: the great defensive plays when they needed to come up
Speaker 14: with DJ Turner, Mike Hilton. So hey, kudos kudas to
Speaker 14: the defense. Yeah, I saw some shoddy tackling again, which
Speaker 14: drives me crazy. I want to throw a brick at
Speaker 14: the TVs I on the tackle of that used going
Speaker 14: on out there.
Speaker 6: But overall, they win that game because.
Speaker 14: Of the defense, because the offense had a hard time
Speaker 14: movement at times against the Giants defense.
Speaker 1: BJ Hills pressure against Jones absolutely resulted in that interception
Speaker 1: which stopped the Giants drive. And you're right to have
Speaker 1: all four of those defensive linemen healthy for the first
Speaker 1: time this season in a game mattered a bunch. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what else met You mentioned Doug Jones
Speaker 1: rushing for eighty yards. The most important yards rushed by
Speaker 1: a quarterback last night in that game was the forty
Speaker 1: seven that Joe Burrows clocked in a broken play for
Speaker 1: a touchdown.
Speaker 2: That was amazing.
Speaker 1: It's the longest run by a quarterback in Bingals history
Speaker 1: for a touchdown forty seven yards.
Speaker 2: What'd you make of that?
Speaker 6: One? Joke?
Speaker 14: And run a little bit Canning.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can make it, take it run a little bit.
Speaker 6: I think the league found that out.
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's that decision made making when there's
Speaker 1: nothing else there Joe Burrow makes when he's handed lemons,
Speaker 1: he makes lemonades.
Speaker 2: And it's still happening, you know.
Speaker 6: Joe.
Speaker 14: Joe's football, Joe's foot by IQ is really off the chart.
Speaker 6: It really is.
Speaker 14: And they and they might have seen that onton film
Speaker 14: and sure goes a lot of times they'll see it
Speaker 14: and they'll go back and do the same thing. And
Speaker 14: sure enough, I mean, you got to you gotta take
Speaker 14: it and run with it, and run with it.
Speaker 2: He did, indeed, no, no, no question.
Speaker 1: Uh you still want to and uh Chase Brown gets
Speaker 1: the other Bengals touchdown last night.
Speaker 14: Well I like that because I've got him in my
Speaker 14: fantasy league, so I was happy for that. But I
Speaker 14: want to go back into the Joe Burrow forty seven
Speaker 14: yard touchdown run, which is interesting that that's the longest
Speaker 14: run in Bengals history by a quarterback, because they didn't
Speaker 14: say anything like that watching the game, But to me,
Speaker 14: he third and twelve play by Joe when he was
Speaker 14: kind of flushed out of the pocket, making something out
Speaker 14: of nothing and getting that big first down, hitting Yosi
Speaker 14: with that with that pass, that was huge. And if
Speaker 14: I heard him say Joe's wrist might be bothering, Joe's
Speaker 14: risks ain't bothering him because he put that ball on
Speaker 14: a dime right to Yosie first down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next week the Bengals play the Browns in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Do you live in Cleveland or do you live in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: wild man? And what's going to happen on the road
Speaker 1: in Cleveland next week? What are your predictions for Well,
Speaker 1: that Bongos continuing their success story off of the win
Speaker 1: at the Giants.
Speaker 14: Gary Jeff, That's that's a monkey that Joe Burrow would
Speaker 14: like to get off his back because he has struggled
Speaker 14: against the Browns for whatever reason. For whatever reason, they
Speaker 14: have a decent defense. Offensively, they're not very good. I've
Speaker 14: been reading that Nick Chubb might return. Here we go,
Speaker 14: you know, another running back again game yards and I
Speaker 14: don't know if that's official yet. The Nick Jubb might
Speaker 14: be able to play in this first game of the
Speaker 14: year and a number almost a year and a half
Speaker 14: going on the road. Yeah, there'll be a lot of
Speaker 14: Beckel fans up there making that trip.
Speaker 6: Well, let's look at it. Let me tell you this.
Speaker 14: The Bengals are favored by five points. What's that tell
Speaker 14: you that the league is, you know, with book makers
Speaker 14: like the Bengals in this game. But again, getting that
Speaker 14: monkey off Joe Burrow's back. That's got to be bothering
Speaker 14: him like crazy.
Speaker 6: The Bengals his battle in this Battle of Ohio. You
Speaker 6: know they always talk.
Speaker 2: About Wildman Walker.
Speaker 1: The Bengals were seven and a half point favorites in
Speaker 1: the opening game of the season against the Patriots at
Speaker 1: home and look off.
Speaker 14: Yeah, and the Patriots haven't won a game since. You
Speaker 14: know that.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 6: I saw, I saw that yesterday. Go go, let's not
Speaker 6: let's let's focus.
Speaker 14: Like Pete Rose is to say, that's all behind them,
Speaker 14: Let's focus on what's ahead of us.
Speaker 1: If Zach Taylor remains as the Bengals head coach next year,
Speaker 1: do you think the five the primary focus will be
Speaker 1: on winning the first couple of games of the season
Speaker 1: instead of this every year, this.
Speaker 6: Annual malaise of oh.
Speaker 2: Well, you know they always start slow.
Speaker 1: I hate hearing that there's no reason to start I
Speaker 1: lame a lot of that.
Speaker 14: I blame a lot of that on the milk toast
Speaker 14: media that's in this town, the TV and radio and
Speaker 14: the Riders.
Speaker 6: They didn't get away with it.
Speaker 14: They don't you know, they don't put any heat on
Speaker 14: him during training camp about how important it is to
Speaker 14: win the first game of the year. And we've seen that.
Speaker 14: But did they just go along with what Zach says?
Speaker 14: The media and this town are wissles. They've been whissles
Speaker 14: for years. Their houseman for the Reds, their housemen for
Speaker 14: the Bengals. They have been for years. Nobody's afraid to
Speaker 14: do anything that might ruffle the feathers. But that's not
Speaker 14: what journalism's all about, you know, give it, get both
Speaker 14: sides of the story. And nobody is afraid to put
Speaker 14: the pressure on the Zach Taylor about winning that first game.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's killed them the last three years. That's
Speaker 6: killed them.
Speaker 2: Would you volunteer wild Man to do your best Alan
Speaker 2: Cutler and chase Zach Taylor through the.
Speaker 1: Bengels office after a bingles loss?
Speaker 6: Why you bring that guy up? O?
Speaker 2: My god, I could run all day?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Who was that? Who was that? Gillespie? Was that the car?
Speaker 2: It was Billy Gillespie.
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, he was a real winner, wasn't it college loser?
Speaker 6: He was a loser like Alan Cutler.
Speaker 14: Man, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So uh, just some last thoughts here about the Bengals
Speaker 1: as we close this out, wild Man, what else you got.
Speaker 14: I'm just waiting till Sunday. I'm counting the days now.
Speaker 14: This would be an interesting game. And hey, if they
Speaker 14: can beat the I'm not saying they're gonna.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna.
Speaker 14: I'm not gonna predict them any winner. Law just stay away, frow.
Speaker 14: They can beat the Browns, then they got the Eagles
Speaker 14: and the Raiders coming in here, and then they go.
Speaker 6: Play the Ravens.
Speaker 14: They could possibly be six and four or five and
Speaker 14: five at the break, which I would take.
Speaker 6: I would take that.
Speaker 1: So if the Bengals are five hundred at there bye week,
Speaker 1: you're a happy man.
Speaker 14: This, Oh god, I think everybody would be a happy
Speaker 14: man because they're They'll look at the schedule.
Speaker 6: They've gotta they've gotta play Dallas. Oh my god, that
Speaker 6: they kill Dallas.
Speaker 14: But that yeah, you know, that's that would be a
Speaker 14: road game. And but the schedules in favor of the Bengals.
Speaker 14: But You gotta take one game at a time.
Speaker 6: You can't keep.
Speaker 14: Looking ahead, but I know fans like to do that.
Speaker 14: But you have the Eagles coming in here, and then
Speaker 14: you have the the Raiders coming in here with with
Speaker 14: Marvin Lewis as a as an assistant defensive coach.
Speaker 6: I forget what his real title is.
Speaker 14: And they stink.
Speaker 6: They really, they're really bad.
Speaker 14: And we need a couple of home ruins, don't we.
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But uh, the the reappearance of VJ. Hill back
Speaker 1: in the lineup and Jenkins, Uh, it really mattered a
Speaker 1: lot yesterday.
Speaker 14: Without a doubt and without the defense has gotta be
Speaker 14: strutting a little bit. And how I can't remember that
Speaker 14: it was that Trent Anderson on special teams. Yeah his name, Yeah,
Speaker 14: I mean he he had an impact too. In fact,
Speaker 14: I saw the replay of the game balls that Zach
Speaker 14: taylerver was given out.
Speaker 6: It was given out all to the deep bets of guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it should have been well exactly exactly.
Speaker 6: It was huge. You know, they got they can work
Speaker 6: on this and grow on this.
Speaker 1: Wild man, let's get to let's plan on reconvening next
Speaker 1: Monday night and in the aftermath, of the meeting in
Speaker 1: Cleveland against the Browns.
Speaker 2: We'll see how we're doing, all right.
Speaker 14: Hopefully it'll be a winning convening.
Speaker 2: Okay, man, take care, all right.
Speaker 1: It's wild Man Walker with us on the Nightcap on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. A PR guru and a best selling author.
Speaker 1: He has represented, among many, many, many people, Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: Barbara streisand at all at least fifty four Academy Award
Speaker 1: winners as a publicist, a public public relations guy. His
Speaker 1: best selling book, Gorilla PR you may be familiar with,
Speaker 1: and now he's with us on the Nightcap for a
Speaker 1: few minutes.
Speaker 2: Michael, how are you?
Speaker 7: I am honored to be sharing your valuable audience with me.
Speaker 1: I am honored that you would take time and help
Speaker 1: me feel great content on my show.
Speaker 7: All right, so let me not disappoint you.
Speaker 1: No, no, no. The fact that you picked up the phone, Michael,
Speaker 1: made me just excited as all get out. Last week
Speaker 1: there was a poll done by Rasmuseen RMG that showed
Speaker 1: that among one thousand registered voters, not likely voters, registered voters,
Speaker 1: democratic voters, democrat voters. I don't call them democratic, I
Speaker 1: call them democrats because they certainly haven't seen to be
Speaker 1: very democratic lately. That nearly three and ten Democrats support
Speaker 1: the idea that Donald Trump's death would benefit the nation
Speaker 1: would be a good idea.
Speaker 6: Three and ten Democrats pleased.
Speaker 7: Three out of ten Democrats would be plead us to
Speaker 7: learn of the successful assassination of predal president Donald Trump.
Speaker 7: And I want to note Gary Res Mutant is a
Speaker 7: very very respected polling service.
Speaker 1: So this is not some quack.
Speaker 6: This is not some.
Speaker 2: Outlier survey that.
Speaker 7: Three out of ten. Now, may I offer you an
Speaker 7: explanation of how this could be? Because I understand that
Speaker 7: when people hear it, they either deny it or think, God,
Speaker 7: we're ruined. But I'd like to offer an explanation if
Speaker 7: I may. Sure, all right, it is my experience, and
Speaker 7: I'm a political independent, I'm not a Republican. Is my
Speaker 7: experiences that our friends on the right are conservative friends
Speaker 7: think of our friends on the left liberals as either
Speaker 7: naive or foolish. I hardly wish, hardly wish them dead.
Speaker 2: I would have to agree with you, Okay.
Speaker 7: Our friends on the left, on the other hand, think
Speaker 7: our friends on the right are evil and selfish. Now,
Speaker 7: if you take a minute and get the difference. There's
Speaker 7: a difference between thinking of someone as naive and foolish
Speaker 7: versus evil and selfish. If you feel someone to be evil,
Speaker 7: then there's a moral mandate that you do everything, including
Speaker 7: killing him to stop him, like a murderer.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So this is the problem in America, and the problem,
Speaker 7: largely I believe comes from the left, which has adopted
Speaker 7: a near religious zeal a jahati like.
Speaker 2: Zeal good good call taked.
Speaker 7: In h get trapped in very poetic word, two gaslight Americans.
Speaker 7: And this is where we find ourselves. Right, Two assassination
Speaker 7: attempts in eight weeks. So that's my explanation for how
Speaker 7: we arrived at three out of ten Democrats would be absolute,
Speaker 7: would be pleased if Donald Trump were assassinated.
Speaker 2: Three.
Speaker 1: I bet three out of ten Republicans probably thought that
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was already dead.
Speaker 2: But that may be we didn't pull that.
Speaker 1: They understand. But what I'm saying is I cannot envision.
Speaker 1: And maybe this is the juxtafication you were just talking about, Michael,
Speaker 1: is that Republicans don't consider Democrats evil.
Speaker 2: They don't. They just consider them ill informed, naive. You
Speaker 2: use the.
Speaker 7: Propolish naive utopian.
Speaker 1: There is no way, there is no way, there's no
Speaker 1: way in the world that if you conducted that same
Speaker 1: poll among Republicans that three out of ten people would
Speaker 1: want would want to kill Kamala Harris.
Speaker 7: It's impossible. In fact, I would argue that three out
Speaker 7: of ten Republicans would be deeply, deeply hurt and sympathetic. Yeah,
Speaker 7: so I would even yeah, but look, this is where
Speaker 7: we are. Our Democratic friends, nay, have the very best
Speaker 7: motives ever invented in the history of humanity. However, I
Speaker 7: remember an old adage as a child that said.
Speaker 12: The path the hell is paved with.
Speaker 1: Right as the pr guru that you are, Michael Levine,
Speaker 1: if you were in charge of spinning the Eric Adams story,
Speaker 1: how would.
Speaker 2: You do it?
Speaker 7: First of all, I'm very glad that Mary Adams has
Speaker 7: not availed himself of my service. He's got big, big problems,
Speaker 7: and the only answer that I can see, it's not
Speaker 7: a particularly bright answer, is a plea deal. But you know, if, obviously,
Speaker 7: when you indict anyone but a sitting mayor, even if
Speaker 7: half the charges were true, let's just say half of
Speaker 7: them are made up and half are true.
Speaker 4: Whoa we got problems.
Speaker 7: Well, you have big problems. So how does this end?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 7: It would seem to me it's got to end in
Speaker 7: a plea deal to the extenting figure this out. The
Speaker 7: city prior to the indictment. I'm born in New York City.
Speaker 7: Many of your yeah, many of your listeners will not
Speaker 7: go to New York and the next year it is
Speaker 7: a disaster. New York City, like most urban areas in America,
Speaker 7: is far worse.
Speaker 6: Than you see on television.
Speaker 7: It is a disaster. You can go to the very
Speaker 7: best neighborhoods in Manhattan and see people lying on the street,
Speaker 7: migrants roaming the street, crazy people roaming the street. No
Speaker 7: one and middle class or above would go on a subway.
Speaker 7: The subways are empty.
Speaker 10: The city is a disaster.
Speaker 7: That's before the indictment. Now you add the indictment and
Speaker 7: all the resignations, the city is basically I mean the
Speaker 7: governor has the power in New York to remove the mayor. Sure,
Speaker 7: and that may be a necessity just just from day
Speaker 7: to day operations.
Speaker 1: Huh, Michael Levine, how can people find out more? Do
Speaker 1: you have a platform where people can find you?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, yes, yes, Well if you're interested in my
Speaker 7: public relations firm, or raising your own profile or anything
Speaker 7: of that sort, you go to Boundless MEDIAUSA dot com.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of information there and I'd be happy
Speaker 7: to help.
Speaker 6: You or chat with you.
Speaker 1: All right, Michael Levine, thank you so much for your
Speaker 1: time tonight, and brother, keep me in mind.
Speaker 2: We may do this again sometime. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 6: If you've got the guts, I.
Speaker 1: Got all kinds of kohunes, even with lower testosterone. Michael
Speaker 1: Levine with us on the Nightcap back after a break
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW in.
Speaker 2: Experienced prosecutors across the country are going.
Speaker 1: More or less live from Less Palm Beach, Florida. My brother,
Speaker 1: my baby brother, the one that I seem to get
Speaker 1: along with the most, probably because we were farthest apart
Speaker 1: in age.
Speaker 2: I was the oldest, he was.
Speaker 1: The youngest, and we didn't have to deal with each
Speaker 1: other that much growing up. But in the years hence
Speaker 1: he has become a valuable sounding board for me and
Speaker 1: I just you know, it's my brother.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: His name is Chuck and he is right now at work,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about life in Palm City in the
Speaker 1: wake of Milton, and all the other hurricanes that have
Speaker 1: come and gone. Chuck first and foremost, welcome to the Nightcap.
Speaker 1: It's great to have you on the show.
Speaker 9: Thank you appreciate it all right.
Speaker 1: So you have lived in pretty much South Florida for
Speaker 1: how many years now?
Speaker 10: It's actually just over thirty years this sure.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's about how long I've been in Cincinnati, just
Speaker 1: a little over thirty years. So different paths, different parts
Speaker 1: of the country. We only occasionally get the remnants of
Speaker 1: a hurricane, thank god, nothing like North Carolina got the
Speaker 1: remnants of Helene. But you have seen them come and go,
Speaker 1: these huge tropical storms over the last three decades, four
Speaker 1: decades actually, So what's your since Do you have that
Speaker 1: kind of feeling of like, oh, here comes another one
Speaker 1: and you kind of yawn and roll your eyes at
Speaker 1: all the hyperbole, or do you still take them seriously
Speaker 1: if they're headed directly towards you. What's your attitude towards
Speaker 1: dealing with the hurricane check?
Speaker 10: Well, you know, you got to take anything serious. But
Speaker 10: you know, these people overreact a little bit, you know, obviously,
Speaker 10: especially you know with the media hype. Yes, they got
Speaker 10: to push the stocks of some well named brands leave
Speaker 10: those unnamed. But some people go out and raid the
Speaker 10: stores and all that kind of stuff. Main thing is
Speaker 10: just have your basic essentials and you know, have a plan.
Speaker 10: You know, especially now that I'm living on a yacht,
Speaker 10: it's definitely a different ballgame. You got to be double ready.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my brother and his wife, Kelly live on a
Speaker 1: fifty three foot boat that me and my wife Chris
Speaker 1: to two point zero got to experience for ourselves, not
Speaker 1: this year, but last Labor Day weekend, and it was
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, brother, it was wonderful. From
Speaker 1: this the time we stepped out of the West Palm
Speaker 1: Airport to the time we had to go back, it
Speaker 1: was just a great experience. I never slept better. They
Speaker 1: sleep well on a boat, just not necessarily in the
Speaker 1: middle of a hurricane. Now, what is the most impactful
Speaker 1: hurricane that you've been through in South Florida in your
Speaker 1: thirty years there?
Speaker 10: It probably would have to be Francis. Francis stood over
Speaker 10: us for about fourteen sixteen hours and just really beat
Speaker 10: the helly heck out of us, and we hadn't seen
Speaker 10: one in thirty eight years at that point, a major storm,
Speaker 10: so put a bit of damage that was not expected,
Speaker 10: you know, because just we haven't been tested.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing with Milton, besides the storm surgeon, the flooding,
Speaker 1: all the tornadoes that were spawned from Milton crossing the peninsula. Now,
Speaker 1: you guys had some tornadoes that were spawned off of
Speaker 1: that storm as it went across the peninsula, didn't you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we had four within a couple miles where we were,
Speaker 10: and it's one of them Mariner Sands, which is devastated.
Speaker 10: I mean, it just really just tore that place apart.
Speaker 10: But there was some quite a bit of damage out
Speaker 10: here in Palm City and just north of the Saint
Speaker 10: Lucie and just south of US actually Jupiter and Palm
Speaker 10: Beach Gardens had some pretty bad damage from tornado.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing that people don't understand. And said, well,
Speaker 1: it's got to go across the whole state of Florida.
Speaker 1: That peninsula is not very wide, it's plenty long, but
Speaker 1: I mean a storm in the Gulf can definitely affect
Speaker 1: you on the Atlantic side. And you were mentioning that
Speaker 1: your own boat, but you decided, you and your wife
Speaker 1: decided that there were a couple of plans. You said,
Speaker 1: you've got to have a plan, and one of those.
Speaker 1: One of those plans perspectively was going south. But you
Speaker 1: didn't have time to find a place to more up
Speaker 1: to to tie up once you got there, and that
Speaker 1: was the big issue.
Speaker 15: Right, Yeah, you know, I didn't really want to be
Speaker 15: on the hook swinging around with that size boat and
Speaker 15: that you know, they were still going to have tropical
Speaker 15: storm winds, so it just.
Speaker 10: Made more sense to stay where we were. We had
Speaker 10: six huge pilings that were tied to, and we had
Speaker 10: twelve three quarter inch lines. You know, it's like we're
Speaker 10: holding a fifty two thousand pounds boat with one hundred
Speaker 10: and thirty thousand pounds worth of lines.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So if you'd been on the Gulf coast and you
Speaker 1: were like in a place like cs t Key, you
Speaker 1: definitely would have bugged out, correct, Oh.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I probably would have ended up at Larga.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 1: So you did just you did sustain a little bit
Speaker 1: of damage from the ensuing storms as it passed just
Speaker 1: to the north of you.
Speaker 16: What'd you lose, Well, just the back part of our
Speaker 16: eyes and glass to enclosure eye glasses like a faul
Speaker 16: of glass if you will.
Speaker 10: And the back part of it just kind of disappeared
Speaker 10: by morning. It's just gone. What along with one of
Speaker 10: my new bean bags?
Speaker 6: Doren't it?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, those bean bags are really comfortable if you
Speaker 1: can ever get out of them after you're in them.
Speaker 1: That's always an issue. What you went to Florida from
Speaker 1: Middle Tennessee and you never left?
Speaker 2: Is it the weather?
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 6: What is it?
Speaker 1: What is it that makes a Florida and the part
Speaker 1: of Florida you're living in so darned attractive?
Speaker 10: Brother, Well, the weather is a big part of it, obviously,
Speaker 10: But you know, I think that just the freedoms, there's
Speaker 10: so much more going on at any given time, you know,
Speaker 10: to do things. Not that we go out and do
Speaker 10: a whole black lot, but yeah, you can pick and
Speaker 10: choose your venues of different things to do.
Speaker 6: You like so much to do?
Speaker 2: You like living in a state with no personal state
Speaker 2: income tax?
Speaker 10: Yes, sir?
Speaker 2: Uh huh? What else?
Speaker 1: Yes, let's focus just for the last minute, we're talking
Speaker 1: about this upcoming election. I know that you're a staunch
Speaker 1: Trump supporter as I am, and you have one of
Speaker 1: the most marvelous governors I think of any of the
Speaker 1: fifty states your thoughts real quickly on disantus.
Speaker 10: He's done on an awesome job. I mean, you can't
Speaker 10: deny that. The one thing I could say is sometimes
Speaker 10: his speeches are a little bit uncomfortable just because of
Speaker 10: the way he projects them. But I think the man
Speaker 10: is brilliant, knows what needs to be done, and takes
Speaker 10: charge to get him done. And that's what you need.
Speaker 10: And someone that's in that position you know, to govern
Speaker 10: or to know whether it's a a city, county, state,
Speaker 10: or country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think speeches are while they're helpful in
Speaker 1: the marketing of any said given candidate, speeches probably are
Speaker 1: last on your list of requirements.
Speaker 2: You want to know how the job performance goes well. Brother,
Speaker 2: I am so.
Speaker 1: Grateful that you and Kelly survived and that continue to
Speaker 1: survive and thrive in South Florida.
Speaker 2: And thanks for spending a few minutes with us on
Speaker 2: the nightcap tonight.
Speaker 10: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: You guys have a great day, all right, you two.
Speaker 1: It's Chuck, my baby brother from South Florida living in
Speaker 1: Palm City and dodging another bullet with Milton that passed
Speaker 1: last week. And with that we conclude the nightcap and
Speaker 1: we can't let you go without hearing our national anthem
Speaker 1: to honor America on seven hundred WLW