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<v Speaker 1>Good evening, Gary Jeff Walker on this Monday night, October fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four And after all that dose of masculinity

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<v Speaker 1>and Bengals line in the aftermath of the second Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>victory of the season, a discussion about men and masculinity,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the NFL, regardless of all of the

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<v Speaker 1>little wolf culture things that are happening in our society,

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<v Speaker 1>is still a bastion of men being.

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<v Speaker 2>Men and boys being boys.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's important for society structure that men be men

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<v Speaker 1>and boys. That doesn't mean hitting each other in the mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean being loudish or being overbearing. But to

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<v Speaker 1>be a man or a boy in America is becoming

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<v Speaker 1>harder and harder. I think you look around and you

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<v Speaker 1>hear about all the calls to tame toxic masculinity and

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<v Speaker 1>all these other things to trying to tell us that

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<v Speaker 1>there's no difference between the sexes. There's a very important

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<v Speaker 1>difference between men and women. And to kind of highlight

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<v Speaker 1>that the executive manager of the International Council for Men

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<v Speaker 1>and Boys, he is a partner in the law firm

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<v Speaker 1>DeMarco and DeMarco PC and the founder of the law

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<v Speaker 1>center one of the few lawyers with an advanced law

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<v Speaker 1>degree in trial advocacy from Temple Law also operates the

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<v Speaker 1>Law Center YouTube channel, which is a free video library

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<v Speaker 1>for self represented litigans and family court and anyway. Lawrence DeMarco,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the Nightcap. Tell me about the International Council

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<v Speaker 1>for Men and Boys and what you see your role

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<v Speaker 1>is in twenty twenty four America.

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<v Speaker 3>Certainly, Gary, thank you so much for having me on

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<v Speaker 3>this evening.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a real pleasure to be invited. So, the International

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<v Speaker 4>Council for Men and Boys is.

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<v Speaker 3>A five h one C three and we are addressing

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<v Speaker 3>and raising awareness to twelve items of male advantage and

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<v Speaker 3>the wide recent reaching consequences for families, the economy, and

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<v Speaker 3>even national security.

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<v Speaker 4>The way we're trying to do this first.

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<v Speaker 3>Is raising awareness for November, which is Men's Equality Month.

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<v Speaker 3>There's March is Women's History Month, and just like women

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<v Speaker 3>have Mother's Day and Dad's at Father's Day, women have

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<v Speaker 3>history months. And now in November we are celebrating Men's

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<v Speaker 3>Equality Month to raise awareness and addrest these twelve items

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<v Speaker 3>of male disadvantage.

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<v Speaker 4>Every time you have heard gender.

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<v Speaker 5>Equality, they have been you know, you think of women However,

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<v Speaker 5>and this is all science and data based, there are

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<v Speaker 5>now twelve areas of male disadvantage that's really causing devastating

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<v Speaker 5>consequences to society.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about how how this has affected the

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<v Speaker 1>labor force in particular, because the economy is a huge

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<v Speaker 1>issue in this election year, as it always is in

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<v Speaker 1>a major presidential election year.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's the economy stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>How how has this disadvantage affected America's labor force lawrence?

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<v Speaker 3>So, Senator Marco Rubio issued a landmark report called The

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<v Speaker 3>State of the Working and Non working Man that highlighted

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<v Speaker 3>the alarming decline in male labor force participation in recent date.

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<v Speaker 3>In recent decades, the absence of men from the workforce

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<v Speaker 3>has led to a reduction in overall economic productivity, increases

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<v Speaker 3>in welfare dependency, and of course, a shrinking tax base.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not just the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a global situation, and for instance, Italy and

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<v Speaker 3>Israel have also reported significant drops in mail workforce participation,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of that comes from education. More than

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred countries report lower levels of male secondary and

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<v Speaker 3>graduate education enrollment and completion.

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<v Speaker 4>High school dropouts compared to girls, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Education cost to society is thirteen point nine percent over

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<v Speaker 3>a decade according to.

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<v Speaker 2>The World Bank.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, families, and we all have seen the results

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<v Speaker 1>of men not being in the home with their children

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<v Speaker 1>and being able to provide for their families. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to really focus on men being men in their

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<v Speaker 1>familial role as patriarchs and the light.

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<v Speaker 6>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>With fewer men able to fulfill their roles as providers,

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<v Speaker 3>men are less willing to enter into marriage number one.

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<v Speaker 3>And when the fewer people getting married and staying single

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<v Speaker 3>for longer, there's an increased rate of poverty, mental health issues,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course general breakdown and family cohesion.

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<v Speaker 4>It is documented that father absence.

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<v Speaker 3>The other thing is in child custody court when there's

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<v Speaker 3>fighting over custody.

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<v Speaker 4>Men only get soul or primary.

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<v Speaker 3>Custody fifteen percent of the times and then often have

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<v Speaker 3>to fight, and they don't have the resources fight just

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<v Speaker 3>to have their share of custody. And father absence causes,

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<v Speaker 3>especially in boys, reduced success in almost every area for

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<v Speaker 3>and dating, drug addiction, every type of addiction, video games, pornography.

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<v Speaker 4>So fathers provide stability to both their boys and daughters.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, real quickly, I'm kind of running short on time,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's my fault. I was bloviating at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of this National security The US Army reports a thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent decline in mail recruits in the ten years

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<v Speaker 1>between twenty thirteen and twenty twenty three, and says that

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<v Speaker 1>traditional military masculinity wants a driver from recruitment, is now

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<v Speaker 1>less appealing to young men. I guess the question, Lawrence DeMarco,

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<v Speaker 1>is how is the International Council for Men and Boys?

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<v Speaker 1>And we know what the problems are. Can you give

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<v Speaker 1>me in a minute and a half nutshell solutions and

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<v Speaker 1>things that you guys are working towards.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I would say, listen, this is you know for

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<v Speaker 3>this is the ninety second version generally raising awareness because

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<v Speaker 3>every time that you've heard of equality, you always think

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<v Speaker 3>of gender equality for women. There's billions of dollars asserted,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's rightfully so, because you know, women in parts

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<v Speaker 3>of the world do have to face things like course marriage,

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<v Speaker 3>mandatory hit jobs, and they are permitted to be educated,

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<v Speaker 3>but we are trying to change the narrative that when

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<v Speaker 3>you think of gender equality for men. There are statistically

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<v Speaker 3>based data supported twelve items of male inequality. They're on

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<v Speaker 3>our website Men in Boys dot Net, and they range

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<v Speaker 3>in things like education because men are struggling in education, suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>Men commit suicide at five times the rate of women

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<v Speaker 3>or at least young teams anyway. And at work hazardous workplace,

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<v Speaker 3>men are fifteen times more likely to die in the workplace.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a myth of male.

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<v Speaker 3>Higher wages they work or hazardous positions, which is why

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<v Speaker 3>it appears that they there might be an imbalance.

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<v Speaker 4>So they're on our website.

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<v Speaker 3>You can see those twelve items, and we have detailed

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<v Speaker 3>solutions that we don't have time to get in ninety seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>But we have detailed solutions on each one.

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<v Speaker 3>For instance, for false allegations, restore the presumption of innocence,

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<v Speaker 3>for problems in family court, shared parenting, an act of

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<v Speaker 3>presumption of equal parenting for the benefit of not just men,

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<v Speaker 3>for children. Everything we propose will benefit society as a

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<v Speaker 3>whole and women as well.

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<v Speaker 4>This is about the benefit of health.

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<v Speaker 3>And society and not just men, but for women and

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<v Speaker 2>All right, what's the website real quickly, Lawrence?

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<v Speaker 7>Sure?

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<v Speaker 4>Certainly Men in Boys dot Net.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll see the twelve items, and there's a click through

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<v Speaker 3>for each item where you can see the statistical support

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<v Speaker 3>for each problems.

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<v Speaker 1>For each Laurence Tomarco, thank you for your precious time tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully we'll be making some progress and people will

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<v Speaker 1>be opening up their eyes to see what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>and how important the role of men is in our

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<v Speaker 1>society in America and the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, sir, Gary, thank you so much for having

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<v Speaker 4>me as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You bet we'll we'll talk to Jennifer's Strickland on the

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<v Speaker 1>women's side about hearing the voices of women and taking

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<v Speaker 1>back who they are.

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<v Speaker 2>In just a moment on the Nightcap Homeowners the Prince.

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<v Speaker 1>To Marco from the International Council of Men and Boys,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to hear from a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Strickland is a podcaster, author, former model and a

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<v Speaker 1>wife and mother, and she has written this wonderful book

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<v Speaker 1>called I Am a Woman. We had Jennifer on a

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<v Speaker 1>few months back, but again I think it's an important

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<v Speaker 1>message to continue to convey that women and men in

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<v Speaker 1>the roles that we believe God cast them in are

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<v Speaker 1>so crucial to the maintain of the maintenance and the

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<v Speaker 1>thriving of our society and our lives here on earth.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jennifer believes that too.

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<v Speaker 1>She wrote the book I Am a Woman, and she

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<v Speaker 1>wants her voice to be heard to uphold the dignity

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<v Speaker 1>of womanhood with clarity and compassion. And she joins us, now,

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Strickland, how are you.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm doing great, Thanks so thanks so much for having

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<v Speaker 8>me on the show. This is an important conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Really is.

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<v Speaker 1>And what Lawrence DeMarco was just the point he was

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<v Speaker 1>making and his organization makes, is that the redefining of masculinity,

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<v Speaker 1>that men are at many disadvantages right now, and that

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<v Speaker 1>that women should women should have their voice and their say,

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<v Speaker 1>but men's voices are important as well. There's a case

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<v Speaker 1>of a University of Cans's professor who was placed on

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<v Speaker 1>leave after saying that men who don't vote for Kamala.

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<v Speaker 2>Harris should be shot as well as a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you how do you read that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, thank god, well, thank god that the woke

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<v Speaker 1>university crowd in academia saw this as a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>But just your answer to that.

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<v Speaker 8>First, well, I'm glad they thought it of the problem.

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<v Speaker 8>But that is very indicative of a brainwashing movement. And

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<v Speaker 8>that's one thing that I'm trying to get across whenever

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<v Speaker 8>I do these interviews is that the transactivist movement and

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<v Speaker 8>the whole woke movement is a thought reform movement. And

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<v Speaker 8>thought reform movements tell people that if you disagree with us,

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<v Speaker 8>we will cancel you, punish you, or suit you. Right,

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<v Speaker 8>and so it's really unfortunate that so much of that

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<v Speaker 8>has gotten into the universities, because the truth is most

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<v Speaker 8>of it goes unchecked, and kids are being silenced and

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<v Speaker 8>they're actually being said of all of this woke nonsense,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, misgendering and all of these new terms. It's

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<v Speaker 8>part of a thought reform movement. It's a brainwashing movement,

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<v Speaker 8>and that means people who question it are punished. And

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<v Speaker 8>so we've got to teach the next generation how to

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<v Speaker 8>recognize thought reform when they see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you make the point in I Am a

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<v Speaker 1>Woman taking Back our Name, is that the true definition,

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<v Speaker 1>traditional definition, and the Christian definition and the name for women,

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<v Speaker 1>and the role for women is as a guardian.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct. Can you explain that for me again?

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely? I mean it's really if you really take a

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<v Speaker 8>very close look the book of Genesis, we see that

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<v Speaker 8>Adam was created to guard and steward the garden, okay,

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<v Speaker 8>the land, and the woman was created to guard and

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<v Speaker 8>steward Adam, which at that time was mankind. The words

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<v Speaker 8>that God uses in Genesis the e is er connecto

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<v Speaker 8>and Adam, you know, he gets tempted by the tree, right,

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<v Speaker 8>God says, oh, here's this tree, don't eat from it.

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<v Speaker 8>Right after that moment is when he says, you're going

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<v Speaker 8>to need and here's the Hebrew term and as air connecto.

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<v Speaker 8>And God says it twice, You're going to need an

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<v Speaker 8>as air connecto. Those words mean guardian, face to face,

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<v Speaker 8>So unfortunately, the feminist movement exalted themselves as superior as men.

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<v Speaker 8>And we also have a history of unhealthy patriarchy that

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<v Speaker 8>as equals. And it's really a beautiful picture of Christ

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<v Speaker 8>in the church. And it's really sad that, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>right now, men are being emasculated because a feminist movement

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<v Speaker 8>emasculated them. It said they weren't important. It said that

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<v Speaker 8>no say. That is so evil. Biblically speaking, the responsibility

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<v Speaker 8>So by telling him that he has no words, he

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that people are are some people are

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, well again, it's yeah, this is just this

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not going to vote for a woman who can't

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<v Speaker 8>define what a woman is, thank you.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay.

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<v Speaker 8>The first woman, her name Eve means life giving. Woman's

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<v Speaker 8>the nation, if she does understand that we were created

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<v Speaker 8>to bring life, body, soul, and spirit. We bring life

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<v Speaker 8>to the home, we bring life to the husband, we

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<v Speaker 8>bring life to the community, we bring life to the nation,

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<v Speaker 8>Any woman who doesn't understand that that is the meaning

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<v Speaker 1>And the Democrats number one issue that that they win on,

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<v Speaker 1>sadly is the issue of unfettered abortion on demand, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is what's that's the Democrat Party's platform in this election.

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<v Speaker 1>And it just seems rather it's not about giving life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's exactly the opposite.

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<v Speaker 8>It's just like they have done with men. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>men were created to provide and protect, including the their descendants,

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<v Speaker 8>their children in the womb, so that's been stripped from them.

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<v Speaker 8>And women were created to bring life and that's been stripped.

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<v Speaker 8>So they this party strips us of our true identity.

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<v Speaker 8>And then we wonder, you know, why do we have

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<v Speaker 8>all these girls with eating disorders and cutting and these

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<v Speaker 8>kids are, you know, struggling with mental illness. The families

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<v Speaker 8>are breaking apart. It's because all of these mantras like

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<v Speaker 8>smash the patriarchy, sex, work is work, my body, my choice.

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<v Speaker 8>If you break down all of those mantras, they're all wrong,

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<v Speaker 8>they're all evil, they're all unhealthy in the relationship between

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<v Speaker 8>And so this this government system, you know, we see

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<v Speaker 8>a government system in the Book of Revelation and the

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<v Speaker 8>woman who rides the beast. They exalt sexuality, they exalt

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<v Speaker 8>all these things that take people away from God's good

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<v Speaker 8>design for marriage and family.

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Strickland.

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<v Speaker 8>So we have to keep exposing it, we have to

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<v Speaker 8>keep talking.

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<v Speaker 1>About it, and you can read more about it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I am a woman taking back our name. Jennifer Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being on the Night Camp tonight.

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<v Speaker 8>Thanks so much for having me on this day.

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<v Speaker 1>As the attacks from Lebanon continued via Hesbelah into Israel

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<v Speaker 1>and this war that is being totally funded by the

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<v Speaker 1>country of Iran, to its many surrogates. And here we

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<v Speaker 1>are just past the year date October seventh, of the

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<v Speaker 1>heinous terrorist attack on the country of Israel in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever since those attacks occurred, the anti Semitic hate has

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<v Speaker 1>ramped up to just deafening decibel levels, and the attacks

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<v Speaker 1>on Jews, especially in New York City, have gone through

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<v Speaker 1>the roof. And so to talk about that and where

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<v Speaker 1>we go from here and why this is and how

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<v Speaker 1>it could affect the election very definitely is Dean Glemas.

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<v Speaker 1>He started his career as a police officer in the

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<v Speaker 1>New York City Police Department, five years on patrol narcotics

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<v Speaker 1>officer in the Bronx. He transferred to Rockland County and

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<v Speaker 1>the Sheriff's Office Police Division, and he retired from the

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff's Office Bureau of Criminal Investigation as a senior detective

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<v Speaker 1>after twenty years of service and founded Global Security and

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<v Speaker 1>Investigative Services about sixteen years ago in two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and he continues in that role today. And we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the anti Semitic violence and the crime being committed

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<v Speaker 1>against Jews in this country and how it has even

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<v Speaker 1>further spiked since the October seventh attacks on Israel a

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<v Speaker 1>little over a year or ago. Dean Glemis, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the night Cap. It's great to have you tonight.

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<v Speaker 11>Thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 6>Gary.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, So, first.

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<v Speaker 1>And foremost, and just a couple of things that I

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<v Speaker 1>saw earlier today, the talk show commentator Trevor Noah compared

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<v Speaker 1>the October seventh attacks on Israel to the American Revolution

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<v Speaker 1>and called the people who rebelled against the British terrorists

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<v Speaker 1>and they kind of he kind of said that Israel

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<v Speaker 1>was attacked by freedom fighters who were just like our

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<v Speaker 1>American revolutionaries. I mean, I don't know what history book

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is reading from, Dean, but oh my, the

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<v Speaker 1>comparison is not there. It's just not there. This has

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<v Speaker 1>been Israel. The country has been Israel's homeland. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>been the land of milk and honey for the Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>people for over two thousand years, and it was violently

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<v Speaker 1>and senselessly attacked by inner locals. Here's the comparison that

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<v Speaker 1>would work for me. If America, the United States of

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<v Speaker 1>America was set up and the British forces tried to

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<v Speaker 1>take it away, then the British forces would be terrorists.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Iranian proxies who attacked Israel are nothing more

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<v Speaker 1>than terrorists. And to compare American colonialists with Iran and

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<v Speaker 1>Hezbollah and Hamas and the Huti rebels is just unthinkable.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's the feeling out there, and I think it

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<v Speaker 1>continues to fuel this kind of hate.

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<v Speaker 11>Your thoughts, well, I think it's absolutely ludicrous that kind

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<v Speaker 11>of comparison. I don't believe the American colonists lit babies

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<v Speaker 11>on fire, British babies on fire, or stuffed them in

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<v Speaker 11>the ovens and made their parents watch to burn to death.

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<v Speaker 11>This is they're trying to humanize this part behavior in

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<v Speaker 11>this barbaric group who's been Hamas has been designated a

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<v Speaker 11>terrorist organization by the United States government since the nineteen nineties,

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<v Speaker 11>as well as Hesbelah, you know, trying to give these

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<v Speaker 11>guys a human face. The human side is despicable. And

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<v Speaker 11>this is all being done because the Palestinian people are

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<v Speaker 11>being displaced by Israel's war on terror in Gaza. But

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<v Speaker 11>instead of putting the blame on the Israeli people, the

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<v Speaker 11>press should be putting the blame where it belongs, which

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<v Speaker 11>is on the Hamas terrorists which are using these civilians

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<v Speaker 2>You know, no one's calling them hospitals.

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<v Speaker 11>So I don't blame Israelis or you know everybody who

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<v Speaker 11>tells me, oh, well, they made a new really state

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<v Speaker 11>after World War Two and it was really a Palestinese

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<v Speaker 11>people property. Well, let's look back at the Bible and

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<v Speaker 11>Jesus Christ was a Jew two thousand years ago. Anywhere Jerusalem,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, there were Jews there two thousand years ago

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<v Speaker 11>as well as Palestinians. You know, it's it's it's been

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, let's worry about the Semantics later. But

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<v Speaker 1>to say it's a Palestinian people, there's no such thing

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<v Speaker 1>as a Palestinian culture. There's not a Palestinian language of

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<v Speaker 1>They're Arabs who were shunned by other Arabs, and they

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<v Speaker 1>called themselves Palestinians thanks to the Romans actually calling this

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<v Speaker 1>place Palestine just to basically wank off the Jews. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that is the history of the term Palestinian.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't even call them Palestinians. I know they

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<v Speaker 1>call themselves that, and that's fine. As of said September thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a seventy four percent increase in hate crimes

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<v Speaker 1>against Jews compared to the same period last year. This

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<v Speaker 1>is just in New York City. Here's the next question, Dean.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is New York City such a focal point. It's

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<v Speaker 1>out caused by the anti Jewish, anti Semitic protesters. But

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<v Speaker 1>New York City seems to be the like ground zero

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<v Speaker 1>and I hate to use that term in relation to NYC,

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<v Speaker 1>but it seems to be ground zero for these anti

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<v Speaker 2>Why so, do you.

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<v Speaker 11>Think I think just for to share number of Jews

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<v Speaker 11>beacon welcoming people from around the world and a big

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<v Speaker 11>Jewish community here in New York, largest outside of Israel,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, in a place called Rockland County where I

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<v Speaker 11>per capita is Israel. We have a large, large Jewish population,

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<v Speaker 11>and unfortunately, we also have a large group of politicians

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<v Speaker 11>who are spineless and refuse to stand up and call

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<v Speaker 11>all of this what it is, anti Semitic hate. They're

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<v Speaker 11>allowing these this anti Semitic vitriol to be spread without

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<v Speaker 11>confronting it and standing up to it, and they're being

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<v Speaker 11>cowards for political expediency. You know, they're scared about upsetting

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<v Speaker 11>you know, a Muslim or people with anti anti Israeli sentiment.

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<v Speaker 11>They're scared to stand up to them, and it's disgraceful.

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<v Speaker 11>We need some We need some politicians here in New

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<v Speaker 11>as they start and not let them get to the

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<v Speaker 11>point where they're out of control and they're no longer manageable.

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<v Speaker 11>The second a group comes onto a college campus in

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<v Speaker 11>and they're outside antelopers, are not even part of the

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<v Speaker 11>student body, exactly the second you let them fester and

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<v Speaker 11>grow and it's out of control, the second attend goes

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<v Speaker 11>up on your campus, how about this, rip it down

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<v Speaker 11>and throw them off campus or arrest them for trespass.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, these problems would go away.

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<v Speaker 1>These college presidents like at Columbia University and lost their

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't in the last go round. Let the authorities

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<v Speaker 1>come in onto their campus is like, no, we're a

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<v Speaker 1>And they didn't do it. The other odd irony I

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<v Speaker 1>find Dean gallimis in What's Happening in New York City

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<v Speaker 1>is that New Yorkers hired a former police a former

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about his law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>He was captain, a former New York City police captain

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<v Speaker 1>order crime guy. And we haven't seen much from Eric Adams,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean even before the indictments. But I mean, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>it weird how you hire somebody because he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the tough on crime answer to Deblasio and he

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<v Speaker 1>winds up being just as bad or worse in the

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<v Speaker 1>face of all this. Don't you think you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the leadership and it has been severely lacking obviously.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I think Mayor adams hands are And I'm a

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<v Speaker 11>little fan of Mayor Adams, but mind you, but I

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<v Speaker 11>think his hands are tied. We have such a liberal

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<v Speaker 11>New York City Council it's almost impossible to get anything

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<v Speaker 11>done in terms of law and order. Hey, more than

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<v Speaker 11>half the city council was for defunding the police. Another

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<v Speaker 11>big problem we have is in New York we used

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<v Speaker 11>to have a law against wearing masks in public, especially

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<v Speaker 11>at public events and protests, and that went by the

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<v Speaker 11>wayside with COVID and these people. COVID's now over, but

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<v Speaker 11>these people are allowed to wear head scarves at these protests,

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<v Speaker 11>and all that does is in bold in these people

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<v Speaker 11>to take the next step and you know, cause violence, assault,

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<v Speaker 11>people say, you know, completely anti Semitic things without fear

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<v Speaker 11>of retribution or you know, explaining their actions at a

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<v Speaker 11>later time. So we should reinstate the face covering band

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<v Speaker 11>at all protests and demonstrations in New York City, which

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<v Speaker 11>is the law we had right up until twenty and twenty,

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<v Speaker 11>and start enforcing that. And you'll see that these young

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<v Speaker 11>people that just you know, want to cause trouble, just

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<v Speaker 11>want something to do, want a Saturday night, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>they wear masks and they go around and destroy property

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<v Speaker 11>because they think they can get away with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, we saw the same things and it

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<v Speaker 1>was about that time at COVID with with BLM. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>the BLM protesters and you mentioned the interlopers on college

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<v Speaker 1>campuses that aren't even students. There's they're setting up encampments

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<v Speaker 1>and pretending that the student body is with them one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent while Jewish students are being attacked and being

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<v Speaker 1>kept from going to class that they're paying a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money to go to class for. But to me,

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<v Speaker 1>the BLM protesters and the pro Hamas pro Terrists protesters.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of them are the same people, are they not.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, there's some rebel rousers that have been seen at

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<v Speaker 11>multiple protests in multiple places. We had people blocking the

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<v Speaker 11>Brooklyn Bridge pro Palactitian protesters. They were arrested that day,

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<v Speaker 11>and then they were arrested later on in the day

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<v Speaker 11>at another event out of college. And again that's because

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<v Speaker 11>they've taken all the teeth with this new bail reform Act.

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<v Speaker 11>They've taken all the you're getting arrested, they're getting a

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<v Speaker 11>ticket and released, so fifteen minutes after they're arrested back

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<v Speaker 11>on the streets again protesting. They know there's no repercussions

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<v Speaker 11>with the way New York has set up their whole

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<v Speaker 11>bail Reform Act, and it's just compounding the police department's

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<v Speaker 11>problems in managing these previously manageable protests.

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<v Speaker 1>As a law enforcement and as a security professional, Dean

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<v Speaker 1>glemis not only eliminating the face coverings at protests, But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, where do you come down on this no

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<v Speaker 1>cash bail. It's just it has made the justice system

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<v Speaker 1>all over the country where it's been trying a revolving

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<v Speaker 1>door of recidivism crime that actually it's none of this

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<v Speaker 1>is victimless.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so it's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Victimless crime if I shoplift nine and fifty dollars worth

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<v Speaker 1>of merchandise, which California is now reconsidering with a Proposition

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six, that's on the ballot there. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to do something about the no cash bail laws.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't you.

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<v Speaker 11>You've got to remember there's a trifecta of mistakes made

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<v Speaker 11>in New York that are causing all of our problems.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 11>The first one is no masks or protests. Second one

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<v Speaker 11>is the new District Attorney Alvin Bragg.

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<v Speaker 6>Day one of his.

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<v Speaker 11>Time in office, he states he's not no longer going

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<v Speaker 11>to prosecute trespads, shoplifting, resisting arrest, or minor drug offenses.

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<v Speaker 11>So you're no longer going to prosecute resisting arrests. So

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<v Speaker 11>if you were in the street and a cop told

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<v Speaker 11>you put your hands on the wall and put your

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<v Speaker 11>hands behind your back, you're under arrest. You know you're

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<v Speaker 11>not going to get arrested if you try to resist.

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<v Speaker 6>What are you going to try to do? It's human nature.

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<v Speaker 11>Ron, You've created chaos. I have clients in New York City.

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<v Speaker 11>We have trespass problems. We have homeless people sleeping in

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<v Speaker 11>my clients buildings and their lobbies and they can't get

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<v Speaker 11>rid of them. The cops won't even come anymore. So

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<v Speaker 11>just you go south, shop wherever you want. You want

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<v Speaker 11>to smoke crack in the lobby of a bank, go

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<v Speaker 11>right ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>We aren't going to do anything.

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<v Speaker 11>It's madness.

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<v Speaker 6>And this has all happened all within a year and

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<v Speaker 6>a half, two years of each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's it's been so quick.

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<v Speaker 6>Recipe for disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>And with Alvin Bragg in charge of justice in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City. It's like, I guess, I guess you would

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<v Speaker 1>get arrested for being a Trump supporter, because apparently that

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<v Speaker 1>was his major goal was to get Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 11>He he said, so, well, let's let's let's look at

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<v Speaker 11>let's look at the state of Flauda real quick. If

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<v Speaker 11>we haven't there, yeah, sure, you know, we had the

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<v Speaker 11>we had the head prosecutor for the city of Tampa.

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<v Speaker 11>He used to enforce laws he didn't agree with. And

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<v Speaker 11>what did Ron DeSantis do? The governor He said, well,

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<v Speaker 11>you're either going to take that back and enforce them,

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<v Speaker 11>or I'm going to have you move from office. And

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<v Speaker 11>the guy refused, and DeSantis removed him from office. When

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<v Speaker 11>I was a cop, one of the major things they

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<v Speaker 11>taught you in the police academy was you need to

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<v Speaker 11>enforce the law and take your personal opinions.

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<v Speaker 6>Out of it.

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<v Speaker 9>It's just because.

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<v Speaker 11>Alvin Bragg doesn't agree with the law on the books

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<v Speaker 11>in the state of New York, he has no legal authority,

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<v Speaker 11>did not enforce it or prosecuted it anymore. He's doing

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<v Speaker 11>is illegal and nobody will call him one. Well, when

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<v Speaker 11>I was a cop, if I didn't agree with abortion

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<v Speaker 11>an last thing I do or not. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 11>is a hot topic from saying if I didn't agree

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<v Speaker 11>with the abortion, or a cop didn't agree with abortion,

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<v Speaker 11>he couldn't refuse to arrest an abortion protester or breaking

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<v Speaker 11>the law outside of an abortion clinic. He had to

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<v Speaker 11>arrest them. If you don't agree with me, if you

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<v Speaker 11>think marijuana should be legal, as a cop when it

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<v Speaker 11>was illegal, you couldn't choose not to arrest the person

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<v Speaker 11>for possessing marijuana. You know, if you think it's okay

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<v Speaker 11>to commit domestic violence doesn't mean you can you can

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<v Speaker 11>choose what laws you arrest pe before. Don't same thing

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<v Speaker 11>with a prosecutor. He can't pick and choose what he

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<v Speaker 11>thinks should be prosecutable.

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<v Speaker 6>Again, it's illegal, and no one want to call him

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<v Speaker 6>out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned Ron de Santas and Florida, and you look

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<v Speaker 1>at comparison with Kathy Hochel in New York and there

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<v Speaker 1>you go. Dean glemas Thank you so much again, Dean

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<v Speaker 1>glemasu the founder of Global Security and Investigation Services, and

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for being on with me to talk about this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a serious issue and I think it

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<v Speaker 1>very well should and will affect the Jewish vote coming

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<v Speaker 1>up November fifth, don't you.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 11>And the Jewish vote has traditionally always been democratic. They

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<v Speaker 11>have been the biggest reliable democratic voting block in history

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<v Speaker 11>probably And a lot of the Jewish communia that I

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<v Speaker 11>speak to are voting Republican this year if they had it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Dean, thank you so much for your time

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<v Speaker 2>tonight and good luck.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 12>Gary appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet, it's a nightcap, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a nightcap on seven hundred WLW and joining us

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<v Speaker 1>our old friend Dave Hatter in the Internet of Things

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<v Speaker 1>world in which we live. He is constantly sounding the

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<v Speaker 1>alarm about things you need to look out for. You

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<v Speaker 1>never expected, but we kind of have covered this first

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<v Speaker 1>topic before, Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show, by the way.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, thanks Scary Jeff, always good to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Chinese electric vehicles. You just had an article

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<v Speaker 1>out in the Northern Kentucky Tribune today earlier that people

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<v Speaker 1>can can peruse if they want to find out more

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<v Speaker 1>about Chinese vehicles and the threats they're in for American citizens.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you write and what do you think?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I'm sure it's not going to come as a

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<v Speaker 9>surprise you at all. Gary, Jeff, you know me pretty

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<v Speaker 9>well that I'm not a fan of the rolling surveillance

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<v Speaker 9>devices that we're all in now, these new modern cars.

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<v Speaker 9>And then when you couple the idea that you're going

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<v Speaker 9>to have a car made by your adversaries that is

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<v Speaker 9>not only essentially a rolling surveillance device full of microphones

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<v Speaker 9>and cameras and speakers and capturing all kinds of data,

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<v Speaker 9>but that that could be not only sent back to

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<v Speaker 9>the People's Republic of China, but the car itself could

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<v Speaker 9>be weaponized. And I'll come back to that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 9>It's pretty disconcerting. But let me back into that for

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<v Speaker 9>a second. I know we've talked about this before. So Mozilla,

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<v Speaker 9>the people that make the Firefox web browser, have a

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<v Speaker 9>website called Privacy Not Included. I encourage people to check

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<v Speaker 9>it out. It's a great place to go when you're

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<v Speaker 9>thinking about buying some sort of so called smart device,

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<v Speaker 9>some Internet of Things device, to see like if they've

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<v Speaker 9>taken a look at at it and whether it's you know,

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<v Speaker 9>privacy friendly or not. Now here's a spoiler alert. We're

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<v Speaker 9>too long didn't re alert most of these things, regardless

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<v Speaker 9>of what category fits into doorbell, thermostata, TV whatever, they're

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<v Speaker 9>all privacy and security dumpster fires. Big study just came

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<v Speaker 9>out recently about how your smart TVs spying on you.

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<v Speaker 9>There's been more revelations about these Chinese vacuum sweepers spying

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<v Speaker 9>on you. Again, people can go see for themselves, but

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<v Speaker 9>if you did start with privacy not included. Last year

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<v Speaker 9>they did a big expose on modern cars not necessarily

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<v Speaker 9>evs and not necessarily made in China. They looked at

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<v Speaker 9>all the major brands, right of US cars, European cars,

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<v Speaker 9>and when you look at what they had to say,

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<v Speaker 9>I am directly quoting, okay, from their website, all twenty

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<v Speaker 9>five car brands we researched earned our privacy not included

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<v Speaker 9>warning label, making cars the official worst category of products

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<v Speaker 9>for privacy that we have ever reviewed.

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<v Speaker 6>That as a direct quote.

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<v Speaker 9>From the people who are behind the obviously not included

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<v Speaker 9>site and Mozilla okay, tod that gets you some kind

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<v Speaker 9>of idea, and when you go read that, I think

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<v Speaker 9>most people will be absolutely stunned at the kind of

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<v Speaker 9>information these cars are trying to collect. And once you

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<v Speaker 9>plug your phone into it to sink up your contacts

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<v Speaker 9>and make phone calls and listen to music and so forth.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, all of that's being captured much less you're

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<v Speaker 9>driving habits, et cetera. So anyhow, when you have that

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<v Speaker 9>as a background and you see what they're saying about

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<v Speaker 9>American car manufacturers, I mentioned in my op ed, recently

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<v Speaker 9>the news came out that Ford has patented a system

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<v Speaker 9>to eavesdrop on you in your car to sell ads.

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<v Speaker 9>I'd leak to it in this article. And then GM

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<v Speaker 9>has been you know, roundly criticized and thankfully has apparently

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<v Speaker 9>stopped doing it. Using this information they're collecting from newer cars,

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<v Speaker 9>they're selling it to insurance companies. You know, deep down

639
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.880
<v Speaker 9>inside all the stuff you sign when you buy the car,

640
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.039
<v Speaker 9>apparently you're signing off on your rights. And this is

641
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<v Speaker 9>different than like you go to all State and you

642
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 9>choose to participate in a program that will help reduce

643
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<v Speaker 9>your insurance breams by plugging a device into your car.

644
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<v Speaker 9>It is collecting the data and selling it and then

645
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<v Speaker 9>you know you're getting canful to your premiums. You're going

646
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<v Speaker 9>up based on your driving it. And this is all

647
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<v Speaker 9>well documented, by the way.

648
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<v Speaker 6>So when you take.

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<v Speaker 9>Those things into consideration, and these are theoretically friendly American companies, right.

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<v Speaker 9>Imagine what an adversarial company or a company controlled by

651
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<v Speaker 9>our adversaries in China. And I remind people I link

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<v Speaker 9>to this as well.

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<v Speaker 2>China has a law that.

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<v Speaker 9>Dictates the Chinese companies must turn over any information they

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<v Speaker 9>want to the Chinese government. I get, I want to

656
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<v Speaker 9>it in there you can go see for themselves. So

657
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<v Speaker 9>now imagine you buy a Chinese EV because it's dirt

658
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.480
<v Speaker 9>chy and it's collecting all this information about you everywhere

659
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<v Speaker 9>you go, everything you do, everyone you talk to, sending

660
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<v Speaker 9>all that back to China. That's bad enough. But then

661
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<v Speaker 9>when you think about Cary Jeff and I know I'm

662
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.440
<v Speaker 9>going along here, but the possibility also well documented. You know,

663
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<v Speaker 9>there's a Wired story back in twenty fifteen where hackers

664
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<v Speaker 9>took over a youth Grand Cherokee and it caused the recall.

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<v Speaker 9>Imagine if at four PM on Friday afternoon a command

666
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<v Speaker 9>was sent out to Chinese vehicles to just accelerate or

667
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<v Speaker 9>accelerate into a project that was mapped in the car's coordinates.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, this is not far effected. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 9>as crazy as probably sounds to everyone, the Biden administration

670
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<v Speaker 9>has finally gotten around to coming out against Chinese evs.

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<v Speaker 9>I also linked to that in there as well. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>this is a real threat and it's crazy to think

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<v Speaker 9>we would allow these rolling spy devices in our country

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<v Speaker 9>based on our current relations with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well maybe maybe Trump, if he gets into office, will

676
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<v Speaker 1>impose one thousand percent terrify on Chinese eviees don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think one hundred percent is enough because you know

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<v Speaker 1>there are people, Dave, regardless of all of these inherent

679
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and obvious dangers, that people are going to see the

680
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<v Speaker 1>price tag and they're just going to do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I think that's probably true unfortunately carriage. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>so you know, A, I appreciate the opportunity to chat

683
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<v Speaker 9>about this with you to try to raise awareness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>I appreciate the Tribune run of us off ed. I

685
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<v Speaker 9>hope more more papers around the state and the region

686
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<v Speaker 9>and the country pick it up. And you know, I'm

687
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<v Speaker 9>always sharing this stuff on x and LinkedIn, so you know, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Next yeah, the next the next story. Dave Hatter is

689
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<v Speaker 1>so again something that we covered a few years back,

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<v Speaker 1>and talking about the inherent dangers of America's infrastructure and

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<v Speaker 1>how water systems and electrical grids and everything that we

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<v Speaker 1>take for granted on a daily basis can be easily

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<v Speaker 1>affected by hackers and turn that water supply into poison

694
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<v Speaker 1>or turn our lights off, I mean any number of things,

695
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<v Speaker 1>our food supply, whatever. American Water shut down online services

696
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<v Speaker 1>after they had a cyber attack. This is just another

697
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<v Speaker 1>another possibility of affecting something that we all need and

698
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:13.519
<v Speaker 1>we all take for granted and think is always going

699
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<v Speaker 1>to be there one day it's not. And you can't

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<v Speaker 1>live without water, So tell me what you know about this.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, this is this is pretty disturbing for the reasons

702
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<v Speaker 9>you stated to your point, you can't live without water.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, the FBI has identified sixteen critical infrastructure sectors,

704
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<v Speaker 9>water obviously being a critical component, the electric being a

705
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<v Speaker 9>critical component, and when you look at statements by the

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<v Speaker 9>FBI and other Homeland to Sense related agencies, right DHS

707
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<v Speaker 9>says even the e PA. The e PA has gotten

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<v Speaker 9>involved with these wastewater and water plants with warnings and

709
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:54.760
<v Speaker 9>guidance for how to secure themselves. You know, you can't

710
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<v Speaker 9>live too long without water. It's pretty critical and Obviously,

711
00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:59.519
<v Speaker 9>electricity makes it possible to pump the water and all

712
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 9>that sort of, and so you know, a lot of

713
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:03.440
<v Speaker 9>this stuff is interconnected. If you can knock out the

714
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<v Speaker 9>electric grigs for any substantial period of time, however you

715
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<v Speaker 9>did it, emp electric vehicles that drive into substations and

716
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:14.480
<v Speaker 9>take them out, cyber attack whatever, you know, it's going

717
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<v Speaker 9>to have a potentially catastrophic effect. You know, the good

718
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:21.440
<v Speaker 9>news Gary Jeff, is that there's more and more emphasis

719
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<v Speaker 9>and awareness around this, I think, both with the general public,

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<v Speaker 9>the people that run these operations, the government.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 9>The bad news is when you look at reporting or

723
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<v Speaker 9>you know reports from the FBI. You know, FBI Director

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<v Speaker 9>Ray has said he believes that the Chinese Communist Party

725
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<v Speaker 9>the PRC, has roughly a fifty to one advantage in

726
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:47.440
<v Speaker 9>terms of hackers and capabilities to our capabilities. And when

727
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<v Speaker 9>you think about how dependent we are on all this

728
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 9>stuff and how interconnected everything is, and we think about

729
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.159
<v Speaker 9>the third party risk to this. So you know, some

730
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<v Speaker 9>of the biggest hacks so far, Target for example, a

731
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<v Speaker 9>few years ago, we're not because Target themselves were hacked.

732
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<v Speaker 9>A third party vendor doing work for Target was hacked

733
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<v Speaker 9>and the hackers leveraged that third party vendor to get

734
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<v Speaker 9>into target systems. The same even if even if your

735
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<v Speaker 9>average you know, water utility or electric utility is doing

736
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<v Speaker 9>all the right things, it's entirely possible they have a

737
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<v Speaker 9>vendor that gets hacked. So again, I hate to be

738
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<v Speaker 9>the doomsday guy on this stuff, Jeff, but I mean,

739
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<v Speaker 9>we just simply have got to take this seriously. We've

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<v Speaker 9>got to take this seriously. We've got to put money

741
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<v Speaker 9>into this. We have to insist that these organizations are doing,

742
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<v Speaker 9>you know, the right things to try to protect our

743
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:36.599
<v Speaker 9>water supply. So it's you know, American Water apparently supplies

744
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<v Speaker 9>water to about fourteen million people and about fourteen different states,

745
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<v Speaker 9>including the military installations. This is a pretty good sized operation.

746
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<v Speaker 9>You know, they had to take some systems offline. Now

747
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<v Speaker 9>there's no indication at this point, but the water supply

748
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<v Speaker 9>itself was impacted. But you know, this is one of

749
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<v Speaker 9>many water plants, including the Ultimore Water Plant Florida, where

750
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<v Speaker 9>that was not the case thankfully, then one was hurt

751
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.519
<v Speaker 9>where you know, eventually, whether you shut these things down

752
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.199
<v Speaker 9>or you contaminate the water. You know, if we don't

753
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<v Speaker 9>get real serious about especially these critical infrastructure type of operations.

754
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<v Speaker 9>Something terrible is going to happen. It's just a matter

755
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.000
<v Speaker 9>of time. And you know, we have got to demand

756
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.800
<v Speaker 9>this of our representatives. They need to demand this of

757
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:20.320
<v Speaker 9>these organizations need to be making You know, we seem

758
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:21.880
<v Speaker 9>to have money for all kinds of things that do

759
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:27.519
<v Speaker 9>little to protect your your family, your business, are our society.

760
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<v Speaker 9>And yet you know, these kind of things always seem

761
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<v Speaker 9>to be at the bottom of the barrel, which I

762
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 9>don't understand because of the the existential nature of some

763
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<v Speaker 9>of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>What I have, what I've always wondered, Dave Patter, is.

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<v Speaker 1>Why when they installed all these smart systems and put

766
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<v Speaker 1>everything online, did they not retain some of the old

767
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:58.559
<v Speaker 1>analog in infrastructure and have that as a redundant backup

768
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<v Speaker 1>if they have to take something offline for something like

769
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<v Speaker 1>a cyber attack or a hack that could poison millions

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<v Speaker 1>of people's water. I don't know what Northern Kentucky Water

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<v Speaker 1>District has in their fold. We both live in Northern Kentucky,

772
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<v Speaker 1>but I think it'd be a smart idea anytime you

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<v Speaker 1>institute new technology to leave as much of the old

774
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<v Speaker 1>technology around just in case. I mean, don't you think

775
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.199
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of part of the answer is to maybe

776
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<v Speaker 1>rebuild it.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I was gonna say my guest Garret Jeff, but

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<v Speaker 9>I'll tell you for what it's worth. With the Northern

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00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:38.519
<v Speaker 9>Kentucky Water District, you know, I talked to them pretty

781
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:40.960
<v Speaker 9>rarely about this stuff. I know they take it seriously.

782
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:43.159
<v Speaker 9>Now I'm not pretty to you know what they're doing

783
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.760
<v Speaker 9>about it internally, but I can tell you they take

784
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<v Speaker 9>it seriously, which is good. You know. I think in

785
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:50.960
<v Speaker 9>many cases probably some of the manual stuff is there.

786
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<v Speaker 9>I mean, just digging a little bit deeper into this

787
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:56.519
<v Speaker 9>particular story because on to say, this incident follows a

788
00:46:56.559 --> 00:47:00.000
<v Speaker 9>similar one that impacted the water treatment facility at Arkansas City, Cansas,

789
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:02.519
<v Speaker 9>which is forced to switch the manual operations after a

790
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.840
<v Speaker 9>weekend cyber attacks. So my guess is in most cases

791
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<v Speaker 9>they probably do have manual overrides for this stuff. And

792
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<v Speaker 9>you know, the reason why most of this sort of

793
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<v Speaker 9>automation has added is because in theory, it helps you

794
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<v Speaker 9>be you know, more productive, more efficient at lowers your costs.

795
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<v Speaker 9>It gets you better insight into what's going on. You know,

796
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<v Speaker 9>when you have sensors and all these you know, electronic

797
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.360
<v Speaker 9>systems in place that can do things, automatically, adjust things

798
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:28.719
<v Speaker 9>automatically gives you better metrics. You know, I think you

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00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.960
<v Speaker 9>can make a strong case for why these things make sense.

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<v Speaker 9>The downside, though, is as we become increasingly reliant on this,

801
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<v Speaker 9>and we eliminate manual systems, you know, or fall back

802
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:44.039
<v Speaker 9>type processes, and if we don't take the security of

803
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<v Speaker 9>these things seriously. And I would argue the productivity benefits,

804
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<v Speaker 9>the efficiency benefits should be way in a critical infrastructure

805
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:56.800
<v Speaker 9>situation like water should be way secondary to the safety

806
00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:01.079
<v Speaker 9>and security of the equipment the water apply, you know,

807
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<v Speaker 9>their rate payers, et cetera. Amen, I'm you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 9>saying when you look at the legacy systems a lot

809
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<v Speaker 9>of these people have, and the fact that a lot

810
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<v Speaker 9>of this stuff was, we said so many kids before,

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<v Speaker 9>designed at a time when these kinds of concerns were

812
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.320
<v Speaker 9>less relevant. You know, I don't think we're there, and

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<v Speaker 9>I think we really had got to as a nation

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<v Speaker 9>get absolutely laser focused on protecting this critical infrastructure all right,

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<v Speaker 9>before something terrible happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's address these next two topics rather quickly, because we've

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<v Speaker 1>gone on quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to have a gomer pile.

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<v Speaker 1>Surprise, surprise surprise for this segment. Study finds TikTok mutes

820
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<v Speaker 1>descent against China. Isn't TikTok in a way a wholly

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<v Speaker 1>owned subsidiary by the People's Republic of China.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, well it is. And it goes back to what

823
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:52.159
<v Speaker 9>we were saying on it about Chinese electric vehicles. I mean,

824
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.599
<v Speaker 9>people have got to understand whether it's a software app,

825
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:59.239
<v Speaker 9>a platform, a product that's got software in it like

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<v Speaker 9>a Chinese be if it comes from China, the manufacturers

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<v Speaker 9>are under control of the Chinese Communist Party and they

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<v Speaker 9>are required by Chinese want to basically turn over information

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<v Speaker 9>or do whatever they're told. Could to be planning backdoors

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<v Speaker 9>and this stuff for China to have access to to

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<v Speaker 9>use to weaponize a vehicle or whatever. Yeah, they absolutely could.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, you and I have been on the TikTok

833
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<v Speaker 9>thing for a long time, and you know TikTok theoretically

834
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<v Speaker 9>is going to be banned. You know, I could go

835
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<v Speaker 9>on and on and on about the privacy and security

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<v Speaker 9>problems of TikTok that go back many many years and

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<v Speaker 9>are well documented, Like a TikTok heating feature that ties

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<v Speaker 9>into this story, which allows them to since we you know,

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<v Speaker 9>amplify any message they want while making it appear like

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<v Speaker 9>it's just naturally occurring on the app. And you know

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<v Speaker 9>this this study here, people can go rate it themselves.

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<v Speaker 9>This story is from the monitor. You know, here's the

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<v Speaker 9>long the shirt study. For the study, researcher set up

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<v Speaker 9>twenty four accounts on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube, simulating sixteen

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<v Speaker 9>order users in the US testing the algorithms these platforms

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<v Speaker 9>using four keywords link to the CCP's human rights violations Weiger, Xinjang, Tibet,

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<v Speaker 9>and Tianamen. And you know it goes on to show

848
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:13.880
<v Speaker 9>how TikTok seems to be suppressing these messages because obviously

849
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:16.159
<v Speaker 9>it's not in the interest of the Chinese comins Party.

850
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:18.960
<v Speaker 9>So you know, I just would keep reminding people when

851
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.360
<v Speaker 9>you use TikTok, you do it at your own peril.

852
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 9>Look at go to the Apple app Store, look at

853
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 9>the privacy label for TikTok and see the information that's

854
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.639
<v Speaker 9>collecting from your device, and then ask yourself, why in

855
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:31.320
<v Speaker 9>the world would you want them to be able to

856
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.280
<v Speaker 9>collect things like your location YEP or the contact information

857
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.079
<v Speaker 9>out of your phone when you know they're obviously not

858
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:41.039
<v Speaker 9>operating in the best entrance of the American citizens. So

859
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:43.440
<v Speaker 9>people should go read this for themselves. I've shared it,

860
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 9>you can see it on in my social media.

861
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know a lot of people like me are

862
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 1>more and more shouting America first. It's no surprise that

863
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the Communist Chinese Party would be shouting CCP first. Sure,

864
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:59.079
<v Speaker 1>let's go to this last topic with a couple of

865
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:02.079
<v Speaker 1>minutes to discuss twenty three and me.

866
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:04.840
<v Speaker 2>You know that where you can trace.

867
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Your roots and find out where you came from.

868
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:12.760
<v Speaker 2>They are in the brink of what bankruptcy apparently?

869
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:13.119
<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

870
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So what happens to all the DNA they've collected.

871
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.679
<v Speaker 1>They got mountain loads of data on citizens from all over.

872
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's just out there.

873
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:27.480
<v Speaker 9>What's funny, Gary Jeffers, when you started with the gomer pal, surprise, surprise,

874
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:29.239
<v Speaker 9>I thought you were going for this story because I

875
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.320
<v Speaker 9>could have predicted a long time ago that it would

876
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.119
<v Speaker 9>be a terrible idea to send your DNA off to

877
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:38.239
<v Speaker 9>a company like this, because who knows where it will

878
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:41.039
<v Speaker 9>ultimately end up. And you know, at one time, twenty

879
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:44.119
<v Speaker 9>three and Me was a you know, a unicorn six

880
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:48.119
<v Speaker 9>billion dollar evaluation. But like they found with other companies

881
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 9>similar to this. You know, once you have done this,

882
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.199
<v Speaker 9>once you as an individual, well, what do you need

883
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.559
<v Speaker 9>twenty three and me for again? And the answer is

884
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:57.320
<v Speaker 9>you don't. So apparently you know, they're having a lot

885
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.719
<v Speaker 9>of business problems. And now the question becomes, Okay, if

886
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:06.599
<v Speaker 9>you've surprised supplied this incredibly sensitive data about yourself, what happens.

887
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:07.320
<v Speaker 10>If they go out of business?

888
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:08.400
<v Speaker 9>Who is it sold to?

889
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:09.559
<v Speaker 12>What do they do with it?

890
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:12.320
<v Speaker 9>To do to they sell it to you? This, in

891
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:14.599
<v Speaker 9>large part, to me, speaks to the lack of a

892
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:18.559
<v Speaker 9>national privacy law, but also speaks to the idea that

893
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:21.199
<v Speaker 9>while these things are cool and I get it, you know,

894
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:24.199
<v Speaker 9>the idea that you're going to send off something where

895
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:26.480
<v Speaker 9>let's say, this data did fall into the hands of

896
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:30.039
<v Speaker 9>the Chinese Communist Party. Now I'm not a scientist, and

897
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.280
<v Speaker 9>again I hate to always be the Deems Day tentral

898
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:35.159
<v Speaker 9>hack guy, but you know, we've talked about bioweapons and

899
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 9>so forth, and you know, customizing viruses and so forth

900
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.320
<v Speaker 9>to attack certain you know, traits in people. I mean,

901
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:44.679
<v Speaker 9>this is not out of the realm of out of

902
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:47.480
<v Speaker 9>the realm of science at this point. Imagine all this

903
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:50.719
<v Speaker 9>data of fifteen million Americans being handed off to them

904
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:52.880
<v Speaker 9>and how they might be able to use that in

905
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.119
<v Speaker 9>ways that you couldn't possibly think of. Could you be

906
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Speaker 9>potentially excluded from jobs in the future because now they

907
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.199
<v Speaker 9>have your DNA data, I know you're more likely to

908
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:04.840
<v Speaker 9>get a certain disease or whatever. Yeah, yeah, that's that's.

909
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:09.880
<v Speaker 1>The fact I've never I'm sorry, finish your that's your thought. Well, no,

910
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just running out of time for us tonight, and

911
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking to myself, thank god my family

912
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:19.039
<v Speaker 1>tree does not fork.

913
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hear you, I hear you, Dave, go ahead.

914
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:27.199
<v Speaker 10>Always my pleasure.

915
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.320
<v Speaker 9>I'm just gonna say I would never have given my

916
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:31.960
<v Speaker 9>information to them. I have not encouraged people for a

917
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:34.360
<v Speaker 9>long time, and I hate to say once again, I

918
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:36.280
<v Speaker 9>wish people would listen while I say that's been a

919
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:36.760
<v Speaker 9>good idea.

920
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I hope that they're listening tonight, Dave, and they

921
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:43.199
<v Speaker 1>will heed your warnings as always, Dave had Or thank

922
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:44.000
<v Speaker 1>you so much, my.

923
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.039
<v Speaker 9>Friend, Always my pleasure.

924
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Thanks yeh, all right, bye bye, it's the night cabin.

925
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:51.480
<v Speaker 1>It rolls on on seven hundred WLW.

926
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, we've got an elect pleasure and honor of

927
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.880
<v Speaker 2>doing are worth airing twice? This is one of them.

928
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:02.639
<v Speaker 1>And now we've got the ALCS and NLCS in full

929
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:07.280
<v Speaker 1>swing headed towards the World Series. How about Jeff Rodeimer

930
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:11.000
<v Speaker 1>who co authored this book called Shadows of Glory about

931
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 1>the World Series and wild, wacky, wonderful World Series Stories.

932
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 1>It's a double dip on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW.

933
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.719
<v Speaker 1>And here it is, as we come to you at

934
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:29.440
<v Speaker 1>what has been a weird, weird day with Iran attacking Israel.

935
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:32.760
<v Speaker 1>We're going to turn our attention to America's pastime, the

936
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Fall Classic and a brand new book that is just

937
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:40.400
<v Speaker 1>out called Shadows of Glory, Memorable and offb World Series Stories,

938
00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:44.159
<v Speaker 1>authored by Dave Brown and Jeff Rodeimer, who is our

939
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.119
<v Speaker 1>guest this evening on the Nightcap.

940
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 2>And Jeff, welcome to the show. How are you.

941
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:51.239
<v Speaker 12>I'm doing great, Garry, thanks for having me on.

942
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:53.840
<v Speaker 2>It's great to be with you.

943
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.840
<v Speaker 1>And we scheduled this a couple of weeks ago in

944
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.559
<v Speaker 1>anticipation of the book coming out, and you were doing

945
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:01.679
<v Speaker 1>the media hits this.

946
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Week and who knew that the day.

947
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.639
<v Speaker 1>After Pete Rose had died, we would be talking about

948
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:13.360
<v Speaker 1>the World Series. And as you mentioned, Pete Rose was

949
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.119
<v Speaker 1>made for the World Series.

950
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.639
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I mean in our lifetime and they were about

951
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:24.639
<v Speaker 12>the same age. I mean, who else but Pete really

952
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:27.280
<v Speaker 12>was made for the big stage. Other maybe this guy

953
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:29.440
<v Speaker 12>like Reggie Jackson. But I mean when you're talking about

954
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:33.159
<v Speaker 12>a big game player. You know, he played on three

955
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:37.800
<v Speaker 12>different World champions. You know, Pete, it just didn't didn't

956
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:39.960
<v Speaker 12>seem that he would ever be gone. You know, he

957
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.239
<v Speaker 12>still saw him an interviews, signing, autographs. There's that new

958
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.559
<v Speaker 12>special that they have out on HBO about him at

959
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:49.440
<v Speaker 12>I think it's a three or four part documentary. So

960
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:51.400
<v Speaker 12>it's just hard to believe he's gone.

961
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:52.039
<v Speaker 2>No, Jeff.

962
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Three days ago, Pete was out at an autograph signing.

963
00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I know people who were there, and yeah, what was

964
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:03.559
<v Speaker 1>also not disclosed to the public. And am my assumption

965
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:06.519
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know. I'm not a medical professional and

966
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't there with Pete. But my perception from what

967
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:12.599
<v Speaker 1>I've been hearing for the last year is that Pete

968
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:15.719
<v Speaker 1>was in not good health at all. He's eighty three

969
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:20.519
<v Speaker 1>years old and at this card signing, supposedly he was

970
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:26.599
<v Speaker 1>in a wheelchair just two three days ago. So well,

971
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:31.280
<v Speaker 1>it's shocking, it's not to be unexpected. A lot of people,

972
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:35.760
<v Speaker 1>as I've mentioned before, die of eighty three. They have

973
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.400
<v Speaker 1>determined the cause of death yet in Las Vegas. But

974
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 1>let's get onto this book. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Let's

975
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.280
<v Speaker 1>get onto you and this book and your involvement in

976
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:50.679
<v Speaker 1>this book. Jeff Rohdeimer Shadows of Glory. You became a

977
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:54.159
<v Speaker 1>baseball fan. Attended your first major league game in nineteen

978
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:58.280
<v Speaker 1>sixty six. I was about a year behind you when

979
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:02.920
<v Speaker 1>my third grid class took a field trip out to

980
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Wrigley Field. We lived in suburban Chicago at the time,

981
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:09.360
<v Speaker 1>and I just was My eyes were just wide open,

982
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:12.239
<v Speaker 1>my mouth dropped the first time I walked in to

983
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.519
<v Speaker 1>that incredible venue and saw the ivy on the walls.

984
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:17.920
<v Speaker 1>It had an atmosphere of its own, really it did.

985
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:19.280
<v Speaker 1>What was your first.

986
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:24.039
<v Speaker 12>Game, Well, it was the Yankees of the mid sixties,

987
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:27.559
<v Speaker 12>right after they started going downhill, after Mantle and Whitey

988
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.599
<v Speaker 12>Ford were starting to lose their grip, and they were

989
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:33.119
<v Speaker 12>playing the Washington Centers. It seemed like every game that

990
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:35.800
<v Speaker 12>my father took me to was against the Washington Senators.

991
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:39.280
<v Speaker 12>But like you, I just I remember just walking into

992
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:43.880
<v Speaker 12>that huge stadium, that incredibly green field, And I mean

993
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:46.039
<v Speaker 12>I was already a baseball fan, but I was hooked

994
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:48.719
<v Speaker 12>after that, There's no doubt about it. And you know,

995
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:51.920
<v Speaker 12>you fast forward another ten or twelve years and I

996
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:56.119
<v Speaker 12>meet Dave Brown at Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania, and turns

997
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:59.519
<v Speaker 12>out we've got this, you know, shared crazy love of baseball,

998
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:04.719
<v Speaker 12>baseball trivia, statistics, baseball history. Then you fast forward to

999
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.599
<v Speaker 12>two thousand and Davis started a writing career of his

1000
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:09.960
<v Speaker 12>own in his first book as a baseball trivia book.

1001
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.039
<v Speaker 12>And you stayed in touch all this time, and it

1002
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:16.039
<v Speaker 12>led up to us collaborating on this book, starting really

1003
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:17.519
<v Speaker 12>in about twenty nineteen.

1004
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at the back of the book because I

1005
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 1>don't want to give away the great stories you guys

1006
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:27.880
<v Speaker 1>have compiled for this, But this quote from Mickey Rivers,

1007
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:29.960
<v Speaker 1>who was a center fielder for the seventy seven and

1008
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:33.159
<v Speaker 1>seventy eight World champion Yankees and the nineteen seventy six

1009
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:36.679
<v Speaker 1>World Series team. He said, I once played a game

1010
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:38.880
<v Speaker 1>for the Texas Rangers while I was still on the

1011
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.039
<v Speaker 1>roster of the New York Yankees, So I know all

1012
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:44.840
<v Speaker 1>about the crazy and unusual baseball stories. Shadows of Gloria

1013
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.360
<v Speaker 1>is full of these kinds of stories from the World Series,

1014
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:49.800
<v Speaker 1>like the time the owner of the A's tried to

1015
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.639
<v Speaker 1>throw one of his own players off the team in

1016
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:55.519
<v Speaker 1>the middle of that seventy three series. Do you have

1017
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:58.480
<v Speaker 1>any because I haven't delved deeply into the book yet,

1018
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Rohdeimer, But have you guys have stories about the

1019
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Reds in the World Series, the Big Red Machine, and

1020
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, especially the nineteen ninety World Series where the

1021
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Reds went wire to wire and then swept the Oakland A's.

1022
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Do you have some memories of that in Shades of Glory?

1023
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:20.679
<v Speaker 12>Well, Shadows of Glory in fact, yeah. And you know,

1024
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:24.440
<v Speaker 12>the theme of the book is kind of lesser known, underreported,

1025
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:27.880
<v Speaker 12>maybe odd or curious things that people might have even

1026
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:31.880
<v Speaker 12>forgotten in some cases. But the nineteen ninety one is

1027
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.519
<v Speaker 12>a good one because you know, we think of the

1028
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:38.639
<v Speaker 12>World Series as this incredibly polished, you know, Madison Avenue

1029
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:41.400
<v Speaker 12>pr event. That's what it's become, right. You know, every

1030
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:45.199
<v Speaker 12>major network has a cast of analysts and ex players,

1031
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:50.280
<v Speaker 12>you know, TBS, MLB Network, Fox, ESPN, they've all got

1032
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:53.480
<v Speaker 12>coverage of these games, right, so it's hard to believe

1033
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.360
<v Speaker 12>that some of these things could have actually happened in

1034
00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:59.079
<v Speaker 12>a World Series, and again maybe at a time when

1035
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:03.920
<v Speaker 12>it was lesser a pr event. But in nineteen ninety,

1036
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.599
<v Speaker 12>you know, you got Tom Browning, who was a really

1037
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:12.400
<v Speaker 12>good pitcher for the Reds, disappearing from a game because

1038
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:14.559
<v Speaker 12>his wife is about to give birth, and he leaves

1039
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.199
<v Speaker 12>the stadium in uniform, thinking he's not going to pitch

1040
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:20.400
<v Speaker 12>because he pitched the day before and that he's not

1041
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:22.880
<v Speaker 12>going to be needed. But while he's on his way

1042
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:25.960
<v Speaker 12>to the hospital and apparently nobody really knew where he

1043
01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:30.880
<v Speaker 12>was going, Luke Panella starts getting worried that this game

1044
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:32.639
<v Speaker 12>is going to go into extra innings and he might

1045
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:35.159
<v Speaker 12>need some of these guys to step forward, and he

1046
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:37.760
<v Speaker 12>calls down to the bullpen and he sells the bullpen

1047
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:41.239
<v Speaker 12>coach get Browning warm, and they have to call him

1048
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:44.239
<v Speaker 12>back and say, we don't know where he is. And

1049
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.719
<v Speaker 12>sure enough, he's gone to the hospital in full uniform

1050
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.960
<v Speaker 12>for his wife's delivery. But this is you know, free

1051
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:52.880
<v Speaker 12>cell phones for the most part, and there's no way

1052
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:54.760
<v Speaker 12>to get in touch with him to tell him come

1053
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.760
<v Speaker 12>around to get back. So they put the word out

1054
01:00:57.760 --> 01:00:59.960
<v Speaker 12>first of all on the local broadcast of the game.

1055
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:03.559
<v Speaker 12>I think through the Cincinnati announcers that hey, you know, Tom,

1056
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:06.519
<v Speaker 12>if you're listening to this broadcast, please go back to

1057
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:13.159
<v Speaker 12>the ballpark. Lukenel is looking for you. And the nationwide broadcast,

1058
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:14.960
<v Speaker 12>and I think it was Tim McCarver who was doing

1059
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:19.960
<v Speaker 12>the game who will probably NBC at the time gets

1060
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.079
<v Speaker 12>wind of what's going on, and then they broadcast that

1061
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:26.920
<v Speaker 12>same plea over the air of the entire national audience

1062
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:30.920
<v Speaker 12>that's watching the game, and eventually it gets it gets

1063
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:33.599
<v Speaker 12>through to the hospital where where Brownie is. But he's

1064
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:35.800
<v Speaker 12>not going back at that point. He's he's where he

1065
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:37.840
<v Speaker 12>is and he's not coming back to the stadium. So

1066
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:41.039
<v Speaker 12>but you just don't think of something like that happening

1067
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:46.719
<v Speaker 12>in today's superstructured, organized, you know, world series climate. So yeah,

1068
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:49.719
<v Speaker 12>that was that was probably the big red story of

1069
01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:51.880
<v Speaker 12>the book. Again, you know a lot of people in

1070
01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:54.239
<v Speaker 12>Cincinnati probably remember that, but the rest of the country

1071
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:57.760
<v Speaker 12>probably has forgotten about it. Were Again, for us, the

1072
01:01:57.840 --> 01:01:59.639
<v Speaker 12>idea was that, you know, if we could write a

1073
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.840
<v Speaker 12>story that a reader, maybe somebody a little bit newer

1074
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:05.280
<v Speaker 12>to baseball looks at and say, I can't believe that

1075
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:07.360
<v Speaker 12>could happen in a World Series. Then we know that

1076
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:08.480
<v Speaker 12>we found something.

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01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, and you guys go way back, I mean, you

1078
01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:14.079
<v Speaker 1>go back to the actual beginnings of the World Series.

1079
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:16.519
<v Speaker 1>I was just flipping through the book right now as

1080
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:19.039
<v Speaker 1>we're talking, the book by the Way of Shadows of Glory,

1081
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:23.079
<v Speaker 1>Memorable and Off the World World Series Stories, authored by

1082
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Dave Brown and our guest Jeff Rodeimer, and I just

1083
01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:28.119
<v Speaker 1>turned to chapter.

1084
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Five, Owner's remorse.

1085
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:35.320
<v Speaker 1>The only time in Major League Baseball history, maybe in

1086
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:39.079
<v Speaker 1>the entire history of American sports, a team owner declined

1087
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:43.159
<v Speaker 1>to accept a World Series championship. This was in nineteen

1088
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:47.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty five, so obviously I don't remember, but it goes

1089
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:51.360
<v Speaker 1>back to your what you just said about for the

1090
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:54.480
<v Speaker 1>young baseball fan who has no idea about the history

1091
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:58.440
<v Speaker 1>of the Fall Classic, the way you guys dived into it,

1092
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:02.119
<v Speaker 1>tell me a little bit about this particular world series.

1093
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:06.519
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and that was one that Dave had picked out

1094
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.440
<v Speaker 12>early that I knew literally nothing about. And I knew

1095
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.280
<v Speaker 12>the story of the Washington Senators of the mid twenties

1096
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:15.840
<v Speaker 12>and Walter Johnson's last few years, and in twenty four

1097
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:20.480
<v Speaker 12>the Senators had won an unlikely championship, and Johnson late

1098
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:22.960
<v Speaker 12>in his career was kind of the bell cow. I mean,

1099
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:25.719
<v Speaker 12>he helped bring that pen at home. But in twenty

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01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:27.519
<v Speaker 12>five they're playing the Pirates and they get to a

1101
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:30.039
<v Speaker 12>game seven. It's all tied up, and Johnson's still with

1102
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.360
<v Speaker 12>the Senators, but it is a terrible forecasts for the game.

1103
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:37.239
<v Speaker 12>They decide they're going to play the game anyway. It's

1104
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:40.440
<v Speaker 12>in Washington, and they start the game in torrential conditions

1105
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:43.719
<v Speaker 12>and it only gets worse, and at the end of

1106
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:47.360
<v Speaker 12>the fifth inning, the Commissioner of Baseball KNNI saw Mountain Lands,

1107
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:50.840
<v Speaker 12>who was in the stands, waves the Washington owner over

1108
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.880
<v Speaker 12>and says, I'm declayer in this game over, you have

1109
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:56.920
<v Speaker 12>won the championship, and to his credit, the owner of

1110
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.960
<v Speaker 12>the Senators said, nope, listen, we started the game in

1111
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:03.559
<v Speaker 12>the rain. We knew what we were doing. We're finishing

1112
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:05.880
<v Speaker 12>this game in the rain. There's no way that the

1113
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:07.800
<v Speaker 12>World Series is going to be decided on a five

1114
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:11.559
<v Speaker 12>inning game. And they completed the game. Walter Johnson made

1115
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:14.320
<v Speaker 12>another appearance, in this time Pittsburgh got to him and

1116
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:18.239
<v Speaker 12>they won in an extremely sloppy game, but the Pirates

1117
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:22.320
<v Speaker 12>ended up getting the World Series just four innings after

1118
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:25.519
<v Speaker 12>the Washington Centers literally had it handed to them.

1119
01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:28.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a great detailing not only of the history

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01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:32.440
<v Speaker 1>of the World Series, but the offbeat stories that people

1121
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:37.599
<v Speaker 1>may not be familiar with, especially going back that far.

1122
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:42.760
<v Speaker 1>For sure, it's also a chronicle of American history. I mean,

1123
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at chapter thirteen. The title is The War,

1124
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:48.559
<v Speaker 1>the Flu and the Babe about World War One and

1125
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighteen World Series.

1126
01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:57.320
<v Speaker 12>Your thoughts, Yeah, and that's one that was partly inspired

1127
01:04:57.400 --> 01:04:59.639
<v Speaker 12>by the fact that we were writing this book during

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01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:04.480
<v Speaker 12>the COVID pandemic and in nineteen eighteen, the Spanish flew,

1129
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:09.800
<v Speaker 12>which was a bigger global pandemic than COVID, was running

1130
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.000
<v Speaker 12>rampant through the United States. And not only that, you

1131
01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:15.760
<v Speaker 12>combine that with the fact that World War One was

1132
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:20.000
<v Speaker 12>raging in Europe and a lot of players from the

1133
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.639
<v Speaker 12>major leagues had already either enlisted or been drafted. And

1134
01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:26.639
<v Speaker 12>so this led to the first and only World Series

1135
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:32.159
<v Speaker 12>it was ever played entirely in September, and ironically, the

1136
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:38.840
<v Speaker 12>global pandemic was not the big deal during that World Series.

1137
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.159
<v Speaker 12>It was more about World War One and the fact

1138
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:44.199
<v Speaker 12>that the War Department did not want Major League Baseball

1139
01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:46.960
<v Speaker 12>to continue playing. They gave them an exception to finish

1140
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:50.280
<v Speaker 12>the season by September first, and then that was supposed

1141
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:53.000
<v Speaker 12>to be it. And then the owners pleaded with the

1142
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:55.360
<v Speaker 12>War Department to let them at least finish out and

1143
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:58.960
<v Speaker 12>play the World Series, which they conceded and allowed to happen.

1144
01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:01.840
<v Speaker 12>So that's oldest chapter in the book that goes back

1145
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:04.639
<v Speaker 12>to nineteen eighteen. It's a chapter where the Cubs and

1146
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:06.800
<v Speaker 12>the Red Sox squaring off, and then the book end

1147
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:10.639
<v Speaker 12>to that is the Cleveland Indian Chicago Cubs series in

1148
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:15.599
<v Speaker 12>two sixteen. But in that twenty eighteen series, a whole

1149
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:17.480
<v Speaker 12>bunch of things happened. It was the first time the

1150
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:20.159
<v Speaker 12>Star Spangled banner was ever played. During the World Series,

1151
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:24.159
<v Speaker 12>there was a threatened player strike when the players found

1152
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:27.360
<v Speaker 12>out that the owners had conspired to cut the players

1153
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:31.719
<v Speaker 12>cut of the profits and the World Series bonuses way

1154
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:35.159
<v Speaker 12>down by giving off some of the World Series proceeds

1155
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:38.639
<v Speaker 12>to the second and third place finishers in the regular season,

1156
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:41.000
<v Speaker 12>and so they threatened to go on strike, and at

1157
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:43.239
<v Speaker 12>the beginning of Game five they were nowhere to be found.

1158
01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:45.639
<v Speaker 12>They were going to strike until the president of the

1159
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:49.559
<v Speaker 12>Major of the American League stormed into the Red Sox clubhouse.

1160
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:53.159
<v Speaker 12>Trunk is a monkey, and I promised to ruin them all.

1161
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.320
<v Speaker 12>And they came out and they finished the World Series.

1162
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:59.599
<v Speaker 12>And then something that is completely aren't to today's game.

1163
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.760
<v Speaker 12>In an effort to keep Babe Ruth on the bench

1164
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:04.599
<v Speaker 12>on the days when he was not pitching, because he

1165
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:06.599
<v Speaker 12>was still a pitcher for the Red Sox at the time,

1166
01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:09.320
<v Speaker 12>the Cubs decided that they were only going to have

1167
01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:12.400
<v Speaker 12>left handed pitchers pitched during the World Series. In over

1168
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:15.519
<v Speaker 12>six games and fifty six innings, they had two lefties

1169
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:18.519
<v Speaker 12>who pitched fifty four of those fifty six innings.

1170
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Everybody, incredible, everybody who's a Reds fan and a lifelong

1171
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Reds fan and maybe a little bit longer in the tooth,

1172
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:30.800
<v Speaker 1>will remember Carlton Fisk's home run with the Red Sox

1173
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:35.159
<v Speaker 1>against the Reds. But there were other things that obviously

1174
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:37.760
<v Speaker 1>in the Reds won that series. Even though Carlton Fisk

1175
01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:42.039
<v Speaker 1>wins the with the walk off in that game, there

1176
01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:43.960
<v Speaker 1>were a lot of other things that happened in that

1177
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:48.320
<v Speaker 1>World Series that are probably not as well known, but

1178
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:53.239
<v Speaker 1>probably just as impactful as Carlton Fisk's home run in

1179
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:54.360
<v Speaker 1>that particular series.

1180
01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:59.320
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and that's a good point, because there were a

1181
01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:03.679
<v Speaker 12>lot of stories that we consciously stayed away from only

1182
01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:06.280
<v Speaker 12>because we didn't think that we could bring much more

1183
01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:09.800
<v Speaker 12>to the table. So carton Fisk's home run, and there

1184
01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:13.039
<v Speaker 12>were certainly some backstories there. But you know, the Perfect

1185
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:16.840
<v Speaker 12>Game by Don Larson in fifty six, Reggie Jackson hitting

1186
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:19.600
<v Speaker 12>three home runs in Game six of the seventy seven

1187
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:25.279
<v Speaker 12>World Series. It's hard, you know, to find something new

1188
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:27.600
<v Speaker 12>that you can really write about, So our focus really

1189
01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:31.199
<v Speaker 12>was on some of these lesser known events. But over

1190
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:35.720
<v Speaker 12>eighteen chapters, we covered at least twenty two teams, including

1191
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:38.600
<v Speaker 12>a chapter on the Negro League World Series of nineteen

1192
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:41.880
<v Speaker 12>forty two, which, you know, for shenanigans and hijinks, it

1193
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:44.079
<v Speaker 12>almost can't be beat. You know, the stuff that went

1194
01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:47.279
<v Speaker 12>on in that World series absolutely would be foreign to

1195
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:49.439
<v Speaker 12>anybody you know watching the game today.

1196
01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:52.680
<v Speaker 2>As good as the Savannah Bananas.

1197
01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:57.000
<v Speaker 12>Well, you know what, not too far off, because like

1198
01:08:57.039 --> 01:08:59.960
<v Speaker 12>the Bananas, they did a lot of barnstorming, and in fact,

1199
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:02.600
<v Speaker 12>this is a world series where they decided that Kansas

1200
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:05.720
<v Speaker 12>City and the Homestead Grades would play each game in

1201
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:07.439
<v Speaker 12>a different city. And right off the bat, you know,

1202
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:09.079
<v Speaker 12>you read about this and you're thinking, oh gee, what

1203
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:14.520
<v Speaker 12>could go wrong there? So after three games, they find

1204
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:16.399
<v Speaker 12>out that Game four, which is supposed to be in

1205
01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:19.000
<v Speaker 12>Kansas City, can't be played because they don't have permission

1206
01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:20.920
<v Speaker 12>and the rights for the stadium for that game. So

1207
01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:23.920
<v Speaker 12>the World Series gets stopped right in its tracks, and

1208
01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:27.159
<v Speaker 12>they go on a hiatus of about eight or nine days.

1209
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:30.800
<v Speaker 12>And so the teams did what they do, They went

1210
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:34.119
<v Speaker 12>out barnstorming. And so now the Homestead Grades and the

1211
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:38.000
<v Speaker 12>Kansas City Monarchs are actually playing exhibition games against each

1212
01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:41.640
<v Speaker 12>other to make money, but games that don't count. And

1213
01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:45.800
<v Speaker 12>so during the course of this barnstorming period, a bunch

1214
01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:51.680
<v Speaker 12>of the guys in the Kansas City Monarchs I'm sorry, yeah,

1215
01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:54.960
<v Speaker 12>they start you know, kind of wandering or it's the

1216
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:59.000
<v Speaker 12>Homestead Grades, they start wandering off. And so when they

1217
01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:01.279
<v Speaker 12>come back to complete the World Series, all of a sudden,

1218
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:03.760
<v Speaker 12>they don't look like the same team. The Homestead Grays

1219
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:05.920
<v Speaker 12>have three ringers from the newer Eagles on their team,

1220
01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:10.600
<v Speaker 12>and so they play the fourth game, it's under protest,

1221
01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:13.319
<v Speaker 12>all the owners get together and they finally agree, now

1222
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:16.680
<v Speaker 12>we can't allow this, and they finish out the series

1223
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:18.680
<v Speaker 12>with the rosters that they started with. But you know,

1224
01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:21.039
<v Speaker 12>guys had left the team because they thought they weren't

1225
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:23.119
<v Speaker 12>going to get paid sure, and they were afraid the

1226
01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:25.399
<v Speaker 12>World Series wouldn't start again, so they took off, and

1227
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:29.520
<v Speaker 12>then you know, the owner of the Homestead Grays, starts

1228
01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:32.079
<v Speaker 12>reassembling a team that doesn't look at anything like the

1229
01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:33.359
<v Speaker 12>one that they started the series with.

1230
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:38.479
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Rodeimer, thank you so much, Avid baseball fan, co

1231
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:41.960
<v Speaker 1>author with Dave Brown of Shadows of Glory Memorable and

1232
01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:45.439
<v Speaker 1>Offbeat World Series Stories. Hello to your wife Peggy, and

1233
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:49.439
<v Speaker 1>to your parent Rocky, and thanks for johinaus Well.

1234
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.960
<v Speaker 12>I appreciate it, and anybody who's interested in finding out

1235
01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:54.920
<v Speaker 12>more can go to Shadows of glorybook dot com. That's

1236
01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:57.520
<v Speaker 12>our website. And Gary, it was great to talk to you.

1237
01:10:57.520 --> 01:10:59.279
<v Speaker 12>Thanks for having me on. Thank you, sir.

1238
01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:03.039
<v Speaker 13>Is there a special time you like to listen to sconslan?

1239
01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:04.000
<v Speaker 7>I liked that on.

1240
01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Seven hundred WLW.

1241
01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I look forward to these conversations the same way I

1242
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:15.119
<v Speaker 1>look forward to bathing. Well, I don't know I don't

1243
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:17.159
<v Speaker 1>bathe that much, but I don't talk to wild Man

1244
01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:18.800
<v Speaker 1>but once a week, so it's about the same.

1245
01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

1246
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:23.960
<v Speaker 1>We're talking with the one and only Wildman Walker, the

1247
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:28.439
<v Speaker 1>sports Commando, and we are six weeks deep into the

1248
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:33.800
<v Speaker 1>NFL season, and some things are becoming very, very apparent

1249
01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:38.319
<v Speaker 1>as we watch the National Football League, and wild Man,

1250
01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:40.439
<v Speaker 1>I know that you are glued as a fan to

1251
01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:44.279
<v Speaker 1>the Cincinnati Bengals and the Cincinnati Reds during baseball season,

1252
01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and the Bearcats and all the rest of that. But

1253
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:53.159
<v Speaker 1>let's focus on generally the state of the NFL as

1254
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.600
<v Speaker 1>we sit at the end of almost the other week.

1255
01:11:55.720 --> 01:11:55.920
<v Speaker 6>Six.

1256
01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Got Monday Night football going on right now as we speak.

1257
01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:04.000
<v Speaker 1>But the one thing that I gleaned from yesterday's games

1258
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:09.239
<v Speaker 1>and the season to this point is that no one

1259
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:13.479
<v Speaker 1>will stop the Baltimore Ravens on offense unless it's the

1260
01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Baltimore Ravens. I think they're the only team that can

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<v Speaker 1>stop themselves with an interception or a fumble or a

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<v Speaker 1>special special teams gaff.

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<v Speaker 2>But they don't make many of them.

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<v Speaker 1>That was, again, just a thing to make you go

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<v Speaker 1>with your mouth wide open a gape and go, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, how does anybody stop the Ravens?

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<v Speaker 14>You know what I mean, I'm surprising they bring up

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<v Speaker 14>first the Dallas Cowboys suffering their worst home loss under

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<v Speaker 14>Jerry Jones.

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<v Speaker 6>That was the best news of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>We can get to that in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>But speak, but speak to the offensive might and the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive might of the Baltimore Ravens.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they didn't stop.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals, but the Bengals couldn't stop the Ravens, and

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01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:04.800
<v Speaker 1>neither could whoever that was yesterday against. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's amazing how when Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry

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<v Speaker 1>are on their game. Is there any team that can

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<v Speaker 1>stop them?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 14>I think there's a number of teams they can stop them.

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<v Speaker 14>I think the Chiefs can stop them.

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<v Speaker 6>I think if.

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<v Speaker 14>Baltimore and Green Bay get together, Green Bays I got

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<v Speaker 14>a very good quarterback now he's coming of age. People

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<v Speaker 14>forgetting about Jordan Love. There's a number of teams that

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<v Speaker 14>can stop the Ravens. I think they're One of the

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<v Speaker 14>things that stands out is because they're in our division.

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<v Speaker 6>You got to see them twice a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly. And let's look at the bottom of the division.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cleveland Browns. This franchise is either cursed or because

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter who the general manager is, it doesn't

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01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:56.880
<v Speaker 1>matter who the coach is. And they bring in these

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<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks that are going to be the savior of the franchise,

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<v Speaker 1>like Deshaun Watson, and Cleveland continues to just suck.

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<v Speaker 14>There's that list that's out there about how many quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 14>the Browns have employed since they got the Cleveland franchise.

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<v Speaker 6>It's really it's like, it's just it's it's as long

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<v Speaker 6>as Warren Peace. It really is.

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<v Speaker 14>I Deshaun Watson, they just need to like, here's your

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<v Speaker 14>money and go away. But they're not gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 14>They're not gonna do it, and they are a train wreck.

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01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:31.199
<v Speaker 14>The thing is, their defense is not that bad. It's

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01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:35.079
<v Speaker 14>you know, really on offense. It's really on all desha Watson.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a train wreck. Year after year. It doesn't matter.

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01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Remember Tim Couch was gonna be the number one pick

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<v Speaker 1>out of UK just a stellar college career, and you know,

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01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:49.520
<v Speaker 1>and he wasn't ready for prime time.

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<v Speaker 6>And well there's Johnny Football. Forget about Tonny football.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't forget about Johnny Manziel. Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Steelers.

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<v Speaker 6>Mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they just keep on keeping on, don't they.

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<v Speaker 14>They have a formula and they haven't gone away from

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01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:07.600
<v Speaker 14>it since the days of Chuck No.

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<v Speaker 6>They they they've developed.

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<v Speaker 14>That formula and they went with that formula and if

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<v Speaker 14>you don't want to play with that formula, they'll get

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<v Speaker 14>ready and replace it with somebody else.

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<v Speaker 6>And has been successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you brought up the worst Dallas Cowboys home loss

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<v Speaker 1>ever in front of Jerry Jones, God and everybody in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 6>On his birthday, on his birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that?

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<v Speaker 7>I know?

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<v Speaker 2>So, I mean, what's what's the problem with Dallas? Geez?

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<v Speaker 14>Well, they don't have much of a running game, are not?

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<v Speaker 14>They don't have much of a running game. I don't

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<v Speaker 14>know why they signed the Zeke Elliott onnoll. What was

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01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:45.319
<v Speaker 14>that that thinking was? And then right now they just

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01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:48.000
<v Speaker 14>can't get anything going. I mean when they're.

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01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:48.359
<v Speaker 6>Stuck in a rut.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, Dak Prescott, that that contract, you know, and all

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01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:53.960
<v Speaker 14>that went on and on and on and on, and

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<v Speaker 14>he's a good quarterback, but for that kind of money,

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01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:59.000
<v Speaker 14>I mean, he got to be scoring touchdowns every time.

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<v Speaker 2>He has the ball.

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<v Speaker 14>They're the they're a mass I don't know. Mike mccarthy'll

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<v Speaker 14>make it through the end of the season. Now, Jerry

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01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:07.880
<v Speaker 14>Jones is he loves to hire and fire coaches.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to a Dallas Cowboys fan just last week

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01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:16.000
<v Speaker 1>wild Man and brought up the the Jerry Jones thing,

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01:16:16.039 --> 01:16:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and he said, Jerry Jones doesn't need to be anywhere

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01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:22.239
<v Speaker 1>near football making decisions.

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01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:24.600
<v Speaker 2>He's proven that now over twenty years.

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<v Speaker 14>I couldn't agree more. I could not agree more. It's like,

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01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:31.680
<v Speaker 14>just you know, here here here, will pick a good

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01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:34.119
<v Speaker 14>we'll get ahead coach, we'll get a GM. I'll just stack,

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01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:36.119
<v Speaker 14>I'll just step back and that you guys do your thing.

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01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:38.880
<v Speaker 14>But they Jerry Jones's ego. I mean, let's face it,

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01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:42.840
<v Speaker 14>Jimmy Johnson should still be coaching this football team.

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01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:44.600
<v Speaker 6>But Jerry Jones.

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<v Speaker 14>Couldn't deal with the ego, you know, because because Jimmy Johnson,

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01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:52.279
<v Speaker 14>everybody loves Jimmy Johnson, not envery Jerry Jones couldn't stand it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not enough room in the in not enough room in

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01:16:56.119 --> 01:16:59.000
<v Speaker 1>in in that room for for all those egos you're

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01:16:59.079 --> 01:16:59.520
<v Speaker 1>right about.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, all I need, all I need to do is

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01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:05.119
<v Speaker 14>point out Gary jeff was one when Jimmy Johnson took

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<v Speaker 14>over the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 6>They stunk, they stunk.

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<v Speaker 14>Didn't take them long and they were Super Bowl champs

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<v Speaker 14>and Jerry Jones couldn't deal with it.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know what that's crazy, it really is, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And conversely, wild Man Walker.

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<v Speaker 1>The team that decimated the Cowboys in Dallas or in

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<v Speaker 1>Arlington yesterday, the Detroit Lions, I mean, and God hoped

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01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:33.439
<v Speaker 1>that they find something to bridge the gap of that

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<v Speaker 1>Asa Hutchinson, that terrible injury where he broke his tibia

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday against the Cowboys. But I mean, Detroit looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a world beater, and I think they've got a real chance.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the Falcons have a real chance again.

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<v Speaker 1>And Kansas City and Houston, Texas, the Houston Texans in

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<v Speaker 1>the AFC are looking pretty strong too, aren't they.

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<v Speaker 14>Joe makes it yesterday one hundred and twenty five yards

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<v Speaker 14>touchdown on the ground, a touchdown reception. They've got a

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<v Speaker 14>very good young quarterback there. And you going back to

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<v Speaker 14>the Lions, Yeah, they learned a lot from last year

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01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:17.239
<v Speaker 14>of how far they had advanced. They got a head

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01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:19.560
<v Speaker 14>coach that they all they would walk through a brick

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<v Speaker 14>wall for that.

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<v Speaker 6>Game, Campbell Lion, the Lion.

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<v Speaker 14>The Lions are scary, they really are.

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<v Speaker 6>They were scary.

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<v Speaker 14>And it would be cool to see because the Lions

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<v Speaker 14>have never been to the Super Bowl. You don't win one,

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01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:31.079
<v Speaker 14>they've never been there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, it would be awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>And then then Nick Sirianni, the coach of the Philadelphia Eagles,

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<v Speaker 1>getting craped from the media because he was chirping with

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<v Speaker 1>the fans.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about it?

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<v Speaker 14>I saw that and I don't know what he was saying,

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<v Speaker 14>but you know how they are in Philadelphia. Man, you

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01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:49.319
<v Speaker 14>know they're going to give it to him. Why not

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01:18:49.359 --> 01:18:50.279
<v Speaker 14>give it back to him?

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<v Speaker 1>No doubt about it. Any teams on the West Coast

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<v Speaker 1>did impress you?

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<v Speaker 6>Not really?

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<v Speaker 7>Not really.

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<v Speaker 14>The forty nine ers, I think. I think the fortynters.

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<v Speaker 14>Eventually we'll get it together. They're starting to play a

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01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:05.279
<v Speaker 14>little bit better. But so far, I haven't seen nothing that,

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<v Speaker 14>you know, that knocks me over. The LA Chargers, they'll

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01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:12.600
<v Speaker 14>probably have a winning record on her hardball because they're

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01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:15.800
<v Speaker 14>building something there. The Rams that's a that's a that's

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<v Speaker 14>a train wreck, much like the Cleveland Browns. All right, Well,

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01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:21.159
<v Speaker 14>the Arizona Cardinals are.

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<v Speaker 6>Going on are going nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we we saw that yesterday too.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, wild Man up next, Let's set our sights

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<v Speaker 1>on the Cincinnati Bengals already, who have now won a

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<v Speaker 1>third of their games in this young NFL season.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey two and four beach one man?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, we'll talk about it when we reconvene

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment after the break. Wild Man Walker on

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<v Speaker 1>the night Cap on seven hundred w l W.

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<v Speaker 1>Sam wis forever Cleveland Fans Never, It's the wild Man

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<v Speaker 1>on the Nightcap with Gary Jeff on seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals get victory number two on the season after

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<v Speaker 1>week number six. Wild Man, It's a step in the

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<v Speaker 1>right direction. But let's think about who they've beaten. They've

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<v Speaker 1>beaten the Carolina Panthers and the New York Giants. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly a great starting point to say, Okay, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals are going to straighten things up and get to

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think.

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<v Speaker 6>Two road on the season so far?

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<v Speaker 14>Winning on the road as tough for any team in

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<v Speaker 14>the National Football League, And both of the Bengals wins

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<v Speaker 14>have been on the road. Carolina, Okay, everybody expected us,

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<v Speaker 14>the Bengals to win that game the Giants.

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of people were iffy because.

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<v Speaker 14>Of the Giants defense, and they have been moving the

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<v Speaker 14>ball and they found a way to move the ball,

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<v Speaker 14>which I don't think the Bengals expected with the Daniel

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<v Speaker 14>Jones run around.

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<v Speaker 6>Most were like eighty yards last night. But hey, they

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<v Speaker 6>got the job done. It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 14>They came out on the winning end of the scoreboard.

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<v Speaker 14>The defense, the defense which we've all been hammering on.

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<v Speaker 14>They made the big plays when they had to make

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<v Speaker 14>the big plays. And you see the big difference on

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<v Speaker 14>that defensive line when Sheldon Rankins is in there and

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<v Speaker 14>bj Hill because that helps Trey Henderson and that helps

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<v Speaker 14>Sam Hubbard, that helps the other guys, and you've got

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<v Speaker 14>the great defensive plays when they needed to come up

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<v Speaker 14>with DJ Turner, Mike Hilton. So hey, kudos kudas to

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<v Speaker 14>the defense. Yeah, I saw some shoddy tackling again, which

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<v Speaker 14>drives me crazy. I want to throw a brick at

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<v Speaker 14>the TVs I on the tackle of that used going

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<v Speaker 14>on out there.

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<v Speaker 6>But overall, they win that game because.

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<v Speaker 14>Of the defense, because the offense had a hard time

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<v Speaker 14>movement at times against the Giants defense.

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<v Speaker 1>BJ Hills pressure against Jones absolutely resulted in that interception

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<v Speaker 1>which stopped the Giants drive. And you're right to have

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<v Speaker 1>all four of those defensive linemen healthy for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time this season in a game mattered a bunch. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what else met You mentioned Doug Jones

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<v Speaker 1>rushing for eighty yards. The most important yards rushed by

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01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:42.159
<v Speaker 1>a quarterback last night in that game was the forty

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01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:46.880
<v Speaker 1>seven that Joe Burrows clocked in a broken play for

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01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:47.720
<v Speaker 1>a touchdown.

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01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:48.640
<v Speaker 2>That was amazing.

1475
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:52.359
<v Speaker 1>It's the longest run by a quarterback in Bingals history

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01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:55.359
<v Speaker 1>for a touchdown forty seven yards.

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01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:56.760
<v Speaker 2>What'd you make of that?

1478
01:22:56.840 --> 01:22:58.399
<v Speaker 6>One? Joke?

1479
01:22:58.439 --> 01:22:59.640
<v Speaker 14>And run a little bit Canning.

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01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:03.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can make it, take it run a little bit.

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01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:04.840
<v Speaker 6>I think the league found that out.

1482
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>But it's it's it's that decision made making when there's

1483
01:23:09.039 --> 01:23:13.880
<v Speaker 1>nothing else there Joe Burrow makes when he's handed lemons,

1484
01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:14.880
<v Speaker 1>he makes lemonades.

1485
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:17.399
<v Speaker 2>And it's still happening, you know.

1486
01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:17.720
<v Speaker 6>Joe.

1487
01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:20.840
<v Speaker 14>Joe's football, Joe's foot by IQ is really off the chart.

1488
01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:21.760
<v Speaker 6>It really is.

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01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:24.239
<v Speaker 14>And they and they might have seen that onton film

1490
01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:26.279
<v Speaker 14>and sure goes a lot of times they'll see it

1491
01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:28.239
<v Speaker 14>and they'll go back and do the same thing. And

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01:23:28.520 --> 01:23:30.439
<v Speaker 14>sure enough, I mean, you got to you gotta take

1493
01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:32.560
<v Speaker 14>it and run with it, and run with it.

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01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:35.720
<v Speaker 2>He did, indeed, no, no, no question.

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01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:40.479
<v Speaker 1>Uh you still want to and uh Chase Brown gets

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01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the other Bengals touchdown last night.

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01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:44.760
<v Speaker 14>Well I like that because I've got him in my

1498
01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:48.319
<v Speaker 14>fantasy league, so I was happy for that. But I

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01:23:48.439 --> 01:23:50.720
<v Speaker 14>want to go back into the Joe Burrow forty seven

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01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:53.720
<v Speaker 14>yard touchdown run, which is interesting that that's the longest

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01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:56.760
<v Speaker 14>run in Bengals history by a quarterback, because they didn't

1502
01:23:56.760 --> 01:23:59.479
<v Speaker 14>say anything like that watching the game, But to me,

1503
01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:02.399
<v Speaker 14>he third and twelve play by Joe when he was

1504
01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:04.840
<v Speaker 14>kind of flushed out of the pocket, making something out

1505
01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:07.600
<v Speaker 14>of nothing and getting that big first down, hitting Yosi

1506
01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:10.520
<v Speaker 14>with that with that pass, that was huge. And if

1507
01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:13.840
<v Speaker 14>I heard him say Joe's wrist might be bothering, Joe's

1508
01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:16.000
<v Speaker 14>risks ain't bothering him because he put that ball on

1509
01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:18.439
<v Speaker 14>a dime right to Yosie first down.

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01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, next week the Bengals play the Browns in Cleveland.

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01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you live in Cleveland or do you live in Cincinnati,

1512
01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:31.279
<v Speaker 1>wild man? And what's going to happen on the road

1513
01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:34.840
<v Speaker 1>in Cleveland next week? What are your predictions for Well,

1514
01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:39.279
<v Speaker 1>that Bongos continuing their success story off of the win

1515
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:40.840
<v Speaker 1>at the Giants.

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01:24:41.199 --> 01:24:43.840
<v Speaker 14>Gary Jeff, That's that's a monkey that Joe Burrow would

1517
01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:46.039
<v Speaker 14>like to get off his back because he has struggled

1518
01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:50.520
<v Speaker 14>against the Browns for whatever reason. For whatever reason, they

1519
01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:54.920
<v Speaker 14>have a decent defense. Offensively, they're not very good. I've

1520
01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:58.239
<v Speaker 14>been reading that Nick Chubb might return. Here we go,

1521
01:24:58.359 --> 01:25:00.760
<v Speaker 14>you know, another running back again game yards and I

1522
01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:03.000
<v Speaker 14>don't know if that's official yet. The Nick Jubb might

1523
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:04.800
<v Speaker 14>be able to play in this first game of the

1524
01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:06.920
<v Speaker 14>year and a number almost a year and a half

1525
01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:10.079
<v Speaker 14>going on the road. Yeah, there'll be a lot of

1526
01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:11.800
<v Speaker 14>Beckel fans up there making that trip.

1527
01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:14.600
<v Speaker 6>Well, let's look at it. Let me tell you this.

1528
01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:17.720
<v Speaker 14>The Bengals are favored by five points. What's that tell

1529
01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:21.199
<v Speaker 14>you that the league is, you know, with book makers

1530
01:25:21.479 --> 01:25:24.199
<v Speaker 14>like the Bengals in this game. But again, getting that

1531
01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:26.520
<v Speaker 14>monkey off Joe Burrow's back. That's got to be bothering

1532
01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:27.279
<v Speaker 14>him like crazy.

1533
01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:30.239
<v Speaker 6>The Bengals his battle in this Battle of Ohio. You

1534
01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:31.039
<v Speaker 6>know they always talk.

1535
01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:32.279
<v Speaker 2>About Wildman Walker.

1536
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:35.039
<v Speaker 1>The Bengals were seven and a half point favorites in

1537
01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the opening game of the season against the Patriots at

1538
01:25:37.880 --> 01:25:39.000
<v Speaker 1>home and look off.

1539
01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:41.640
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, and the Patriots haven't won a game since. You

1540
01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:41.920
<v Speaker 14>know that.

1541
01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:43.560
<v Speaker 2>I understand.

1542
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:46.600
<v Speaker 6>I saw, I saw that yesterday. Go go, let's not

1543
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:48.560
<v Speaker 6>let's let's focus.

1544
01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:50.560
<v Speaker 14>Like Pete Rose is to say, that's all behind them,

1545
01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:51.960
<v Speaker 14>Let's focus on what's ahead of us.

1546
01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:56.479
<v Speaker 1>If Zach Taylor remains as the Bengals head coach next year,

1547
01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:59.920
<v Speaker 1>do you think the five the primary focus will be

1548
01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:03.000
<v Speaker 1>on winning the first couple of games of the season

1549
01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:05.720
<v Speaker 1>instead of this every year, this.

1550
01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:08.920
<v Speaker 6>Annual malaise of oh.

1551
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know they always start slow.

1552
01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:14.119
<v Speaker 1>I hate hearing that there's no reason to start I

1553
01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:14.880
<v Speaker 1>lame a lot of that.

1554
01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:16.880
<v Speaker 14>I blame a lot of that on the milk toast

1555
01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:19.000
<v Speaker 14>media that's in this town, the TV and radio and

1556
01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:19.560
<v Speaker 14>the Riders.

1557
01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:20.960
<v Speaker 6>They didn't get away with it.

1558
01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:22.800
<v Speaker 14>They don't you know, they don't put any heat on

1559
01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:25.760
<v Speaker 14>him during training camp about how important it is to

1560
01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:27.920
<v Speaker 14>win the first game of the year. And we've seen that.

1561
01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:31.359
<v Speaker 14>But did they just go along with what Zach says?

1562
01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:34.800
<v Speaker 14>The media and this town are wissles. They've been whissles

1563
01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:38.079
<v Speaker 14>for years. Their houseman for the Reds, their housemen for

1564
01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:41.439
<v Speaker 14>the Bengals. They have been for years. Nobody's afraid to

1565
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:44.479
<v Speaker 14>do anything that might ruffle the feathers. But that's not

1566
01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:47.279
<v Speaker 14>what journalism's all about, you know, give it, get both

1567
01:26:47.319 --> 01:26:50.079
<v Speaker 14>sides of the story. And nobody is afraid to put

1568
01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:53.199
<v Speaker 14>the pressure on the Zach Taylor about winning that first game.

1569
01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:56.159
<v Speaker 6>I mean, that's killed them the last three years. That's

1570
01:26:56.279 --> 01:26:56.760
<v Speaker 6>killed them.

1571
01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Would you volunteer wild Man to do your best Alan

1572
01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Cutler and chase Zach Taylor through the.

1573
01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:07.119
<v Speaker 1>Bengels office after a bingles loss?

1574
01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:09.039
<v Speaker 6>Why you bring that guy up? O?

1575
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:11.600
<v Speaker 2>My god, I could run all day?

1576
01:27:12.600 --> 01:27:12.760
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

1577
01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:15.279
<v Speaker 6>Who was that? Who was that? Gillespie? Was that the car?

1578
01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:16.800
<v Speaker 2>It was Billy Gillespie.

1579
01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:20.920
<v Speaker 14>Oh yeah, he was a real winner, wasn't it college loser?

1580
01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:22.960
<v Speaker 6>He was a loser like Alan Cutler.

1581
01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:24.640
<v Speaker 14>Man, Oh my god.

1582
01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:29.399
<v Speaker 1>So uh, just some last thoughts here about the Bengals

1583
01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>as we close this out, wild Man, what else you got.

1584
01:27:33.399 --> 01:27:35.359
<v Speaker 14>I'm just waiting till Sunday. I'm counting the days now.

1585
01:27:35.439 --> 01:27:37.640
<v Speaker 14>This would be an interesting game. And hey, if they

1586
01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:40.159
<v Speaker 14>can beat the I'm not saying they're gonna.

1587
01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:40.920
<v Speaker 6>I'm not gonna.

1588
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:43.239
<v Speaker 14>I'm not gonna predict them any winner. Law just stay away, frow.

1589
01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:45.840
<v Speaker 14>They can beat the Browns, then they got the Eagles

1590
01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:48.279
<v Speaker 14>and the Raiders coming in here, and then they go.

1591
01:27:48.359 --> 01:27:49.159
<v Speaker 6>Play the Ravens.

1592
01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:52.239
<v Speaker 14>They could possibly be six and four or five and

1593
01:27:52.279 --> 01:27:54.359
<v Speaker 14>five at the break, which I would take.

1594
01:27:54.439 --> 01:27:55.079
<v Speaker 6>I would take that.

1595
01:27:56.199 --> 01:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>So if the Bengals are five hundred at there bye week,

1596
01:27:58.840 --> 01:27:59.760
<v Speaker 1>you're a happy man.

1597
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:02.399
<v Speaker 14>This, Oh god, I think everybody would be a happy

1598
01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:04.399
<v Speaker 14>man because they're They'll look at the schedule.

1599
01:28:04.600 --> 01:28:08.239
<v Speaker 6>They've gotta they've gotta play Dallas. Oh my god, that

1600
01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:09.960
<v Speaker 6>they kill Dallas.

1601
01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:12.399
<v Speaker 14>But that yeah, you know, that's that would be a

1602
01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:15.319
<v Speaker 14>road game. And but the schedules in favor of the Bengals.

1603
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:16.880
<v Speaker 14>But You gotta take one game at a time.

1604
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:17.600
<v Speaker 6>You can't keep.

1605
01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:20.359
<v Speaker 14>Looking ahead, but I know fans like to do that.

1606
01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:22.760
<v Speaker 14>But you have the Eagles coming in here, and then

1607
01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:25.479
<v Speaker 14>you have the the Raiders coming in here with with

1608
01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:27.960
<v Speaker 14>Marvin Lewis as a as an assistant defensive coach.

1609
01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:29.680
<v Speaker 6>I forget what his real title is.

1610
01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:30.720
<v Speaker 14>And they stink.

1611
01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:32.000
<v Speaker 6>They really, they're really bad.

1612
01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:34.239
<v Speaker 14>And we need a couple of home ruins, don't we.

1613
01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:35.680
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

1614
01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, But uh, the the reappearance of VJ. Hill back

1615
01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>in the lineup and Jenkins, Uh, it really mattered a

1616
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:45.039
<v Speaker 1>lot yesterday.

1617
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:48.159
<v Speaker 14>Without a doubt and without the defense has gotta be

1618
01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:50.479
<v Speaker 14>strutting a little bit. And how I can't remember that

1619
01:28:50.520 --> 01:28:54.319
<v Speaker 14>it was that Trent Anderson on special teams. Yeah his name, Yeah,

1620
01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:56.319
<v Speaker 14>I mean he he had an impact too. In fact,

1621
01:28:56.359 --> 01:29:00.479
<v Speaker 14>I saw the replay of the game balls that Zach

1622
01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:01.359
<v Speaker 14>taylerver was given out.

1623
01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:03.119
<v Speaker 6>It was given out all to the deep bets of guys.

1624
01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it should have been well exactly exactly.

1625
01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:09.920
<v Speaker 6>It was huge. You know, they got they can work

1626
01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:10.880
<v Speaker 6>on this and grow on this.

1627
01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:15.439
<v Speaker 1>Wild man, let's get to let's plan on reconvening next

1628
01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:19.359
<v Speaker 1>Monday night and in the aftermath, of the meeting in

1629
01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Cleveland against the Browns.

1630
01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:22.479
<v Speaker 2>We'll see how we're doing, all right.

1631
01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:24.359
<v Speaker 14>Hopefully it'll be a winning convening.

1632
01:29:25.039 --> 01:29:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, man, take care, all right.

1633
01:29:28.359 --> 01:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>It's wild Man Walker with us on the Nightcap on

1634
01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:37.199
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW. A PR guru and a best selling author.

1635
01:29:37.720 --> 01:29:42.760
<v Speaker 1>He has represented, among many, many, many people, Michael Jackson,

1636
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Barbara streisand at all at least fifty four Academy Award

1637
01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:52.199
<v Speaker 1>winners as a publicist, a public public relations guy. His

1638
01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>best selling book, Gorilla PR you may be familiar with,

1639
01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>and now he's with us on the Nightcap for a

1640
01:29:57.640 --> 01:29:58.119
<v Speaker 1>few minutes.

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01:29:58.199 --> 01:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Michael, how are you?

1642
01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:04.279
<v Speaker 7>I am honored to be sharing your valuable audience with me.

1643
01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I am honored that you would take time and help

1644
01:30:07.640 --> 01:30:10.439
<v Speaker 1>me feel great content on my show.

1645
01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:14.439
<v Speaker 7>All right, so let me not disappoint you.

1646
01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:18.039
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no. The fact that you picked up the phone, Michael,

1647
01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:23.399
<v Speaker 1>made me just excited as all get out. Last week

1648
01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:28.279
<v Speaker 1>there was a poll done by Rasmuseen RMG that showed

1649
01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:34.000
<v Speaker 1>that among one thousand registered voters, not likely voters, registered voters,

1650
01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:38.079
<v Speaker 1>democratic voters, democrat voters. I don't call them democratic, I

1651
01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>call them democrats because they certainly haven't seen to be

1652
01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:46.880
<v Speaker 1>very democratic lately. That nearly three and ten Democrats support

1653
01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the idea that Donald Trump's death would benefit the nation

1654
01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>would be a good idea.

1655
01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:55.239
<v Speaker 6>Three and ten Democrats pleased.

1656
01:30:56.439 --> 01:31:00.399
<v Speaker 7>Three out of ten Democrats would be plead us to

1657
01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:06.039
<v Speaker 7>learn of the successful assassination of predal president Donald Trump.

1658
01:31:07.159 --> 01:31:12.359
<v Speaker 7>And I want to note Gary Res Mutant is a

1659
01:31:12.680 --> 01:31:18.239
<v Speaker 7>very very respected polling service.

1660
01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:20.159
<v Speaker 1>So this is not some quack.

1661
01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:21.920
<v Speaker 6>This is not some.

1662
01:31:24.039 --> 01:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Outlier survey that.

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01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:32.760
<v Speaker 7>Three out of ten. Now, may I offer you an

1664
01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:36.880
<v Speaker 7>explanation of how this could be? Because I understand that

1665
01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:42.399
<v Speaker 7>when people hear it, they either deny it or think, God,

1666
01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:46.920
<v Speaker 7>we're ruined. But I'd like to offer an explanation if

1667
01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:54.039
<v Speaker 7>I may. Sure, all right, it is my experience, and

1668
01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:59.159
<v Speaker 7>I'm a political independent, I'm not a Republican. Is my

1669
01:31:59.399 --> 01:32:06.039
<v Speaker 7>experiences that our friends on the right are conservative friends

1670
01:32:06.880 --> 01:32:11.680
<v Speaker 7>think of our friends on the left liberals as either

1671
01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:20.399
<v Speaker 7>naive or foolish. I hardly wish, hardly wish them dead.

1672
01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:23.399
<v Speaker 2>I would have to agree with you, Okay.

1673
01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:27.560
<v Speaker 7>Our friends on the left, on the other hand, think

1674
01:32:27.560 --> 01:32:33.199
<v Speaker 7>our friends on the right are evil and selfish. Now,

1675
01:32:33.359 --> 01:32:36.039
<v Speaker 7>if you take a minute and get the difference. There's

1676
01:32:36.079 --> 01:32:39.800
<v Speaker 7>a difference between thinking of someone as naive and foolish

1677
01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:45.359
<v Speaker 7>versus evil and selfish. If you feel someone to be evil,

1678
01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:51.760
<v Speaker 7>then there's a moral mandate that you do everything, including

1679
01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:55.720
<v Speaker 7>killing him to stop him, like a murderer.

1680
01:32:55.960 --> 01:32:56.159
<v Speaker 6>Right.

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01:32:56.399 --> 01:33:03.439
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So this is the problem in America, and the problem,

1682
01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:09.920
<v Speaker 7>largely I believe comes from the left, which has adopted

1683
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<v Speaker 7>a near religious zeal a jahati like.

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01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:19.479
<v Speaker 2>Zeal good good call taked.

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<v Speaker 7>In h get trapped in very poetic word, two gaslight Americans.

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<v Speaker 7>And this is where we find ourselves. Right, Two assassination

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01:33:37.359 --> 01:33:44.359
<v Speaker 7>attempts in eight weeks. So that's my explanation for how

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01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:48.319
<v Speaker 7>we arrived at three out of ten Democrats would be absolute,

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01:33:48.399 --> 01:33:51.079
<v Speaker 7>would be pleased if Donald Trump were assassinated.

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<v Speaker 2>Three.

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01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:54.399
<v Speaker 1>I bet three out of ten Republicans probably thought that

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01:33:54.520 --> 01:33:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden was already dead.

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01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:00.119
<v Speaker 2>But that may be we didn't pull that.

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01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>They understand. But what I'm saying is I cannot envision.

1695
01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>And maybe this is the juxtafication you were just talking about, Michael,

1696
01:34:10.520 --> 01:34:14.720
<v Speaker 1>is that Republicans don't consider Democrats evil.

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01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:19.880
<v Speaker 2>They don't. They just consider them ill informed, naive. You

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01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:20.359
<v Speaker 2>use the.

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01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:23.199
<v Speaker 7>Propolish naive utopian.

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01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>There is no way, there is no way, there's no

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01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:28.319
<v Speaker 1>way in the world that if you conducted that same

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01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:31.600
<v Speaker 1>poll among Republicans that three out of ten people would

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01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>want would want to kill Kamala Harris.

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01:34:35.159 --> 01:34:39.600
<v Speaker 7>It's impossible. In fact, I would argue that three out

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01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:52.319
<v Speaker 7>of ten Republicans would be deeply, deeply hurt and sympathetic. Yeah,

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01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:55.960
<v Speaker 7>so I would even yeah, but look, this is where

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01:34:55.960 --> 01:35:01.479
<v Speaker 7>we are. Our Democratic friends, nay, have the very best

1708
01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:06.600
<v Speaker 7>motives ever invented in the history of humanity. However, I

1709
01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:09.399
<v Speaker 7>remember an old adage as a child that said.

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01:35:09.199 --> 01:35:11.279
<v Speaker 12>The path the hell is paved with.

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01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Right as the pr guru that you are, Michael Levine,

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01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:24.399
<v Speaker 1>if you were in charge of spinning the Eric Adams story,

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01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:25.359
<v Speaker 1>how would.

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01:35:25.159 --> 01:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>You do it?

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01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:32.239
<v Speaker 7>First of all, I'm very glad that Mary Adams has

1716
01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:39.920
<v Speaker 7>not availed himself of my service. He's got big, big problems,

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01:35:40.239 --> 01:35:45.159
<v Speaker 7>and the only answer that I can see, it's not

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01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:54.079
<v Speaker 7>a particularly bright answer, is a plea deal. But you know, if, obviously,

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01:35:54.279 --> 01:36:01.439
<v Speaker 7>when you indict anyone but a sitting mayor, even if

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01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:05.520
<v Speaker 7>half the charges were true, let's just say half of

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01:36:05.560 --> 01:36:08.880
<v Speaker 7>them are made up and half are true.

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01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:12.119
<v Speaker 4>Whoa we got problems.

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01:36:12.840 --> 01:36:18.359
<v Speaker 7>Well, you have big problems. So how does this end?

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01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:19.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:21.239
<v Speaker 7>It would seem to me it's got to end in

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01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:25.399
<v Speaker 7>a plea deal to the extenting figure this out. The

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01:36:25.399 --> 01:36:31.119
<v Speaker 7>city prior to the indictment. I'm born in New York City.

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01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:34.720
<v Speaker 7>Many of your yeah, many of your listeners will not

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01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:36.800
<v Speaker 7>go to New York and the next year it is

1730
01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:41.840
<v Speaker 7>a disaster. New York City, like most urban areas in America,

1731
01:36:42.359 --> 01:36:43.640
<v Speaker 7>is far worse.

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01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:44.840
<v Speaker 6>Than you see on television.

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01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:48.760
<v Speaker 7>It is a disaster. You can go to the very

1734
01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:54.720
<v Speaker 7>best neighborhoods in Manhattan and see people lying on the street,

1735
01:36:55.159 --> 01:36:59.680
<v Speaker 7>migrants roaming the street, crazy people roaming the street. No

1736
01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:02.880
<v Speaker 7>one and middle class or above would go on a subway.

1737
01:37:04.119 --> 01:37:05.439
<v Speaker 7>The subways are empty.

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01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:07.880
<v Speaker 10>The city is a disaster.

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01:37:08.079 --> 01:37:13.119
<v Speaker 7>That's before the indictment. Now you add the indictment and

1740
01:37:13.239 --> 01:37:18.520
<v Speaker 7>all the resignations, the city is basically I mean the

1741
01:37:18.640 --> 01:37:23.119
<v Speaker 7>governor has the power in New York to remove the mayor. Sure,

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01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:28.079
<v Speaker 7>and that may be a necessity just just from day

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01:37:28.119 --> 01:37:29.600
<v Speaker 7>to day operations.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, Michael Levine, how can people find out more? Do

1745
01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:35.279
<v Speaker 1>you have a platform where people can find you?

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01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:35.920
<v Speaker 6>Yes?

1747
01:37:36.039 --> 01:37:40.199
<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, yes, yes, Well if you're interested in my

1748
01:37:41.119 --> 01:37:44.880
<v Speaker 7>public relations firm, or raising your own profile or anything

1749
01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:50.359
<v Speaker 7>of that sort, you go to Boundless MEDIAUSA dot com.

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01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:53.479
<v Speaker 7>There's a lot of information there and I'd be happy

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01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:54.119
<v Speaker 7>to help.

1752
01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:54.800
<v Speaker 6>You or chat with you.

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01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:57.319
<v Speaker 1>All right, Michael Levine, thank you so much for your

1754
01:37:57.319 --> 01:38:00.760
<v Speaker 1>time tonight, and brother, keep me in mind.

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01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:02.880
<v Speaker 2>We may do this again sometime. I enjoyed it.

1756
01:38:04.199 --> 01:38:08.479
<v Speaker 6>If you've got the guts, I.

1757
01:38:08.439 --> 01:38:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Got all kinds of kohunes, even with lower testosterone. Michael

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01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Levine with us on the Nightcap back after a break

1759
01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:19.439
<v Speaker 1>on seven hundred WLW in.

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01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Experienced prosecutors across the country are going.

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01:38:23.279 --> 01:38:28.479
<v Speaker 1>More or less live from Less Palm Beach, Florida. My brother,

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01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:32.720
<v Speaker 1>my baby brother, the one that I seem to get

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01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:36.840
<v Speaker 1>along with the most, probably because we were farthest apart

1764
01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:37.520
<v Speaker 1>in age.

1765
01:38:37.600 --> 01:38:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I was the oldest, he was.

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01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:41.319
<v Speaker 1>The youngest, and we didn't have to deal with each

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01:38:41.359 --> 01:38:44.239
<v Speaker 1>other that much growing up. But in the years hence

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01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:47.600
<v Speaker 1>he has become a valuable sounding board for me and

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01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:50.039
<v Speaker 1>I just you know, it's my brother.

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01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:50.479
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:54.840
<v Speaker 1>His name is Chuck and he is right now at work,

1772
01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:58.279
<v Speaker 1>but we're talking about life in Palm City in the

1773
01:38:58.640 --> 01:39:01.720
<v Speaker 1>wake of Milton, and all the other hurricanes that have

1774
01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:05.720
<v Speaker 1>come and gone. Chuck first and foremost, welcome to the Nightcap.

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01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:07.159
<v Speaker 1>It's great to have you on the show.

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01:39:08.359 --> 01:39:10.199
<v Speaker 9>Thank you appreciate it all right.

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01:39:10.279 --> 01:39:15.640
<v Speaker 1>So you have lived in pretty much South Florida for

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01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:16.760
<v Speaker 1>how many years now?

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01:39:18.239 --> 01:39:20.640
<v Speaker 10>It's actually just over thirty years this sure.

1780
01:39:21.279 --> 01:39:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's about how long I've been in Cincinnati, just

1781
01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>a little over thirty years. So different paths, different parts

1782
01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of the country. We only occasionally get the remnants of

1783
01:39:33.039 --> 01:39:37.439
<v Speaker 1>a hurricane, thank god, nothing like North Carolina got the

1784
01:39:37.479 --> 01:39:41.479
<v Speaker 1>remnants of Helene. But you have seen them come and go,

1785
01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:45.520
<v Speaker 1>these huge tropical storms over the last three decades, four

1786
01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:51.199
<v Speaker 1>decades actually, So what's your since Do you have that

1787
01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:54.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of feeling of like, oh, here comes another one

1788
01:39:54.399 --> 01:39:57.399
<v Speaker 1>and you kind of yawn and roll your eyes at

1789
01:39:57.439 --> 01:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>all the hyperbole, or do you still take them seriously

1790
01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:05.319
<v Speaker 1>if they're headed directly towards you. What's your attitude towards

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01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:07.199
<v Speaker 1>dealing with the hurricane check?

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01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:12.560
<v Speaker 10>Well, you know, you got to take anything serious. But

1793
01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:17.439
<v Speaker 10>you know, these people overreact a little bit, you know, obviously,

1794
01:40:17.520 --> 01:40:20.439
<v Speaker 10>especially you know with the media hype. Yes, they got

1795
01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:24.199
<v Speaker 10>to push the stocks of some well named brands leave

1796
01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:28.159
<v Speaker 10>those unnamed. But some people go out and raid the

1797
01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:30.680
<v Speaker 10>stores and all that kind of stuff. Main thing is

1798
01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:33.640
<v Speaker 10>just have your basic essentials and you know, have a plan.

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01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:37.720
<v Speaker 10>You know, especially now that I'm living on a yacht,

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01:40:38.039 --> 01:40:42.600
<v Speaker 10>it's definitely a different ballgame. You got to be double ready.

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01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my brother and his wife, Kelly live on a

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01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:48.520
<v Speaker 1>fifty three foot boat that me and my wife Chris

1803
01:40:48.560 --> 01:40:52.159
<v Speaker 1>to two point zero got to experience for ourselves, not

1804
01:40:52.319 --> 01:40:55.600
<v Speaker 1>this year, but last Labor Day weekend, and it was

1805
01:40:55.800 --> 01:40:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I got to tell you, brother, it was wonderful. From

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01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:01.439
<v Speaker 1>this the time we stepped out of the West Palm

1807
01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:03.399
<v Speaker 1>Airport to the time we had to go back, it

1808
01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:06.800
<v Speaker 1>was just a great experience. I never slept better. They

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01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:09.560
<v Speaker 1>sleep well on a boat, just not necessarily in the

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01:41:09.560 --> 01:41:14.239
<v Speaker 1>middle of a hurricane. Now, what is the most impactful

1811
01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:16.720
<v Speaker 1>hurricane that you've been through in South Florida in your

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01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:17.600
<v Speaker 1>thirty years there?

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<v Speaker 10>It probably would have to be Francis. Francis stood over

1814
01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:27.560
<v Speaker 10>us for about fourteen sixteen hours and just really beat

1815
01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:29.479
<v Speaker 10>the helly heck out of us, and we hadn't seen

1816
01:41:29.520 --> 01:41:32.720
<v Speaker 10>one in thirty eight years at that point, a major storm,

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01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:37.479
<v Speaker 10>so put a bit of damage that was not expected,

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01:41:37.800 --> 01:41:40.239
<v Speaker 10>you know, because just we haven't been tested.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the thing with Milton, besides the storm surgeon, the flooding,

1820
01:41:45.359 --> 01:41:49.880
<v Speaker 1>all the tornadoes that were spawned from Milton crossing the peninsula. Now,

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01:41:49.920 --> 01:41:52.359
<v Speaker 1>you guys had some tornadoes that were spawned off of

1822
01:41:52.359 --> 01:41:55.319
<v Speaker 1>that storm as it went across the peninsula, didn't you.

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01:41:56.560 --> 01:41:59.840
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, we had four within a couple miles where we were,

1824
01:42:00.680 --> 01:42:05.800
<v Speaker 10>and it's one of them Mariner Sands, which is devastated.

1825
01:42:05.960 --> 01:42:08.800
<v Speaker 10>I mean, it just really just tore that place apart.

1826
01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:12.199
<v Speaker 10>But there was some quite a bit of damage out

1827
01:42:12.359 --> 01:42:15.039
<v Speaker 10>here in Palm City and just north of the Saint

1828
01:42:15.119 --> 01:42:19.119
<v Speaker 10>Lucie and just south of US actually Jupiter and Palm

1829
01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:22.720
<v Speaker 10>Beach Gardens had some pretty bad damage from tornado.

1830
01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:25.439
<v Speaker 1>Well that's the thing that people don't understand. And said, well,

1831
01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:27.560
<v Speaker 1>it's got to go across the whole state of Florida.

1832
01:42:27.680 --> 01:42:31.640
<v Speaker 1>That peninsula is not very wide, it's plenty long, but

1833
01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean a storm in the Gulf can definitely affect

1834
01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:39.279
<v Speaker 1>you on the Atlantic side. And you were mentioning that

1835
01:42:40.079 --> 01:42:43.199
<v Speaker 1>your own boat, but you decided, you and your wife

1836
01:42:43.199 --> 01:42:45.840
<v Speaker 1>decided that there were a couple of plans. You said,

1837
01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:48.479
<v Speaker 1>you've got to have a plan, and one of those.

1838
01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:53.640
<v Speaker 1>One of those plans perspectively was going south. But you

1839
01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>didn't have time to find a place to more up

1840
01:42:57.359 --> 01:43:00.680
<v Speaker 1>to to tie up once you got there, and that

1841
01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:01.920
<v Speaker 1>was the big issue.

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01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:04.920
<v Speaker 15>Right, Yeah, you know, I didn't really want to be

1843
01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:09.880
<v Speaker 15>on the hook swinging around with that size boat and

1844
01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:12.000
<v Speaker 15>that you know, they were still going to have tropical

1845
01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:14.399
<v Speaker 15>storm winds, so it just.

1846
01:43:14.359 --> 01:43:17.039
<v Speaker 10>Made more sense to stay where we were. We had

1847
01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:20.039
<v Speaker 10>six huge pilings that were tied to, and we had

1848
01:43:20.119 --> 01:43:23.199
<v Speaker 10>twelve three quarter inch lines. You know, it's like we're

1849
01:43:23.199 --> 01:43:25.840
<v Speaker 10>holding a fifty two thousand pounds boat with one hundred

1850
01:43:25.840 --> 01:43:27.600
<v Speaker 10>and thirty thousand pounds worth of lines.

1851
01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

1852
01:43:29.319 --> 01:43:32.600
<v Speaker 1>So if you'd been on the Gulf coast and you

1853
01:43:32.640 --> 01:43:34.800
<v Speaker 1>were like in a place like cs t Key, you

1854
01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:38.680
<v Speaker 1>definitely would have bugged out, correct, Oh.

1855
01:43:38.600 --> 01:43:40.960
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, I probably would have ended up at Larga.

1856
01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's wild.

1857
01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:47.439
<v Speaker 1>So you did just you did sustain a little bit

1858
01:43:47.439 --> 01:43:50.399
<v Speaker 1>of damage from the ensuing storms as it passed just

1859
01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:51.479
<v Speaker 1>to the north of you.

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01:43:52.399 --> 01:43:56.880
<v Speaker 16>What'd you lose, Well, just the back part of our

1861
01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:01.680
<v Speaker 16>eyes and glass to enclosure eye glasses like a faul

1862
01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:02.720
<v Speaker 16>of glass if you will.

1863
01:44:03.159 --> 01:44:05.880
<v Speaker 10>And the back part of it just kind of disappeared

1864
01:44:06.319 --> 01:44:10.920
<v Speaker 10>by morning. It's just gone. What along with one of

1865
01:44:10.960 --> 01:44:11.920
<v Speaker 10>my new bean bags?

1866
01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:12.239
<v Speaker 6>Doren't it?

1867
01:44:12.760 --> 01:44:12.920
<v Speaker 7>Oh?

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01:44:13.119 --> 01:44:16.319
<v Speaker 1>No, Yeah, those bean bags are really comfortable if you

1869
01:44:16.359 --> 01:44:18.399
<v Speaker 1>can ever get out of them after you're in them.

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01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:24.720
<v Speaker 1>That's always an issue. What you went to Florida from

1871
01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Middle Tennessee and you never left?

1872
01:44:28.439 --> 01:44:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Is it the weather?

1873
01:44:29.720 --> 01:44:29.880
<v Speaker 7>Is it?

1874
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:31.359
<v Speaker 6>What is it?

1875
01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:35.119
<v Speaker 1>What is it that makes a Florida and the part

1876
01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:37.840
<v Speaker 1>of Florida you're living in so darned attractive?

1877
01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:41.800
<v Speaker 10>Brother, Well, the weather is a big part of it, obviously,

1878
01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:47.359
<v Speaker 10>But you know, I think that just the freedoms, there's

1879
01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:50.960
<v Speaker 10>so much more going on at any given time, you know,

1880
01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:52.960
<v Speaker 10>to do things. Not that we go out and do

1881
01:44:53.239 --> 01:44:56.319
<v Speaker 10>a whole black lot, but yeah, you can pick and

1882
01:44:56.439 --> 01:44:59.479
<v Speaker 10>choose your venues of different things to do.

1883
01:45:00.279 --> 01:45:01.720
<v Speaker 6>You like so much to do?

1884
01:45:02.039 --> 01:45:04.760
<v Speaker 2>You like living in a state with no personal state

1885
01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:05.479
<v Speaker 2>income tax?

1886
01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:07.279
<v Speaker 10>Yes, sir?

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01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh? What else?

1888
01:45:09.479 --> 01:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, let's focus just for the last minute, we're talking

1889
01:45:13.239 --> 01:45:16.560
<v Speaker 1>about this upcoming election. I know that you're a staunch

1890
01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Trump supporter as I am, and you have one of

1891
01:45:22.319 --> 01:45:25.359
<v Speaker 1>the most marvelous governors I think of any of the

1892
01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:28.039
<v Speaker 1>fifty states your thoughts real quickly on disantus.

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01:45:31.800 --> 01:45:34.439
<v Speaker 10>He's done on an awesome job. I mean, you can't

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<v Speaker 10>deny that. The one thing I could say is sometimes

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<v Speaker 10>his speeches are a little bit uncomfortable just because of

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<v Speaker 10>the way he projects them. But I think the man

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<v Speaker 10>is brilliant, knows what needs to be done, and takes

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<v Speaker 10>charge to get him done. And that's what you need.

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<v Speaker 10>And someone that's in that position you know, to govern

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<v Speaker 10>or to know whether it's a a city, county, state,

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<v Speaker 10>or country.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think speeches are while they're helpful in

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<v Speaker 1>the marketing of any said given candidate, speeches probably are

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<v Speaker 1>last on your list of requirements.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to know how the job performance goes well. Brother,

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<v Speaker 2>I am so.

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<v Speaker 1>Grateful that you and Kelly survived and that continue to

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<v Speaker 1>survive and thrive in South Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>And thanks for spending a few minutes with us on

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<v Speaker 2>the nightcap tonight.

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<v Speaker 10>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys have a great day, all right, you two.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Chuck, my baby brother from South Florida living in

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<v Speaker 1>Palm City and dodging another bullet with Milton that passed

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<v Speaker 1>last week. And with that we conclude the nightcap and

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<v Speaker 1>we can't let you go without hearing our national anthem

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<v Speaker 1>to honor America on seven hundred WLW
