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Speaker 1: Okay, so you know how sometimes a place just feels familiar,

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like you've been there before, right, Well, imagine that, but

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like times a thousand, right, like this deep in your

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bone certainty that you lived a whole other life in

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a specific time and place. And it's not just some

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vague feeling. It's like you remember actual details, and those

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details can actually be verified, like they line up with

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historical records. Oh yeah, you brought this amazing story of

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Dorothy Edie, and honestly, it makes you really think about

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memory and identity and even like what time really is.

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Speaker 2: It really does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's dive into this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So what's really fascinating about Dorothy's story is that

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it's not like she gradually became interested in ancient Egypt.

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You know, it was like, boom, this huge shift after

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a single event. So she's three years old, she has

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this fall, and she's actually declared dead by the doctor. Seriously, yeah, briefly,

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and then all of a sudden she comes back to life.

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But it's like she's a different person, and she starts

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having these incredibly vivid dreams. Yeah. She describes it as

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this huge columned building with trees and green.

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Speaker 1: Gardens so specific.

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Speaker 2: Right, and it's not just some you know, random dream.

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It's accompanied by this deep sense of like she doesn't belong.

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Speaker 1: Like she's homesick, but for a place she's never been exactly.

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Speaker 2: She's constantly saying she wants to go home, even though

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she's in her family's house in London. Wow. And on

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top of that, there are even reports that she would

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sometimes speak with a foreign accent, just out of.

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Speaker 1: The blue, like little flashes of something else.

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Speaker 2: It's really strange, right, It really makes you wonder what

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could trigger something like that neurologically, or maybe even something

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beyond that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this longing for home and these sudden glimpses of

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something else, it's like it's like linguistic pathways from another

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time are kind of like, you know, flickering through it.

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Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. Yeah, and this

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wasn't just all in her head either.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: When she was four, her family takes her to the

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British Museum and that becomes a really important one. You know,

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most kids would be running off to the dinosaur.

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Speaker 2: Exhibit or something, yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: But not Dorothy. She be lines straight for the Egyptian artifacts.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Yeah, it's like she's drawn there by some invisible force.

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And it's not just looking at the statue. She's interacting

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with them, like she knows them so well. Uh. There

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are reports that she was kissing their feet and even

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scolding other visitors for wearing shoes. Wow, Like she genuinely

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believed it was a sacred space and she was offended

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they weren't treating it with respect.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible, right, that's not typical four year old behavior.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's not.

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Speaker 2: There's a story right where she's standing in front of

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a mummy case and she just declares, these are my

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people in.

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Speaker 1: An older sounding voice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's like she's channeling someone else. And it

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just gives you chills thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: It really does. And that's what's so interesting about these

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past life accounts. It's like this deep recognition that bypasses

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Speaker 2: Learn that it's instinctive. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And with Dorothy, this fascination only got stronger as

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she got older. So what happened, Well, by the time

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she was seven, she was like completely obsessed with ancient Egypt.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. She would spend hours pouring over encyclopedias with a

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magnifying glass trying to decipher hieroglyphics, and when her mother

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asked her what she was doing, she just said, I'm trying.

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Speaker 2: To remember, like it was already in there somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Like it was more about unlocking something she

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already knew than learning something new. And that feeling of

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retrieval instead of acquisition is something that comes up a

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lot in these kinds of stories.

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this like deep inner drive. Absolutely, it wasn't about absorbing

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new information. It was about remembering something lost. And then

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Seti in Abidos. Oh. Yeah, that's another piece of the puzzle, right, right,

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and she's absolutely certain she recognizes it. She shouts, that's home.

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Speaker 2: It's like this memory that's stubbornly refusing to be overwritten

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by present day reality.

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Speaker 1: It's really fascinating, and it makes you think about other

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cases of young children who claim to remember past lives.

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Speaker 2: Right, like the Pollock twins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, their birthmarks mirrored the injuries of their deceased sisters.

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Speaker 1: Sisters too, exactly. And they were afraid of cars because

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their sisters had died in a car accident.

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Speaker 1: And then there's Jim's Leninger.

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War II pilot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had these incredibly detailed memories of flying a

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plane and being shot down, and they were actually able

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to verify some of the details with historical records.

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Speaker 1: And Ryan Hammond's who remembered being a Hollywood actor in

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the nineteen thirties.

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard of that one.

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old movies that were all accurate.

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Speaker 1: But you know it's interesting. That's that these early memories,

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they often fade away around the age of five or six. Oh,

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Speaker 1: And this really comes through in her teenage years. How so, well,

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she became very outspoken about her belief in reincarnation, and

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that caused some conflict with her Sunday school teacher.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I can imagine.

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Speaker 1: She refused to sing hymns that were critical of ancient Egypt. Really,

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and she even argued that Christianity had roots in Egyptian religion.

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Speaker 2: Wow. She was really committed to this.

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Speaker 2: The famous egyptologist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she picked up hieroglyphic reading incredibly quickly.

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state and starts scribbling pages and pages of notes and hieroglyphics.

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Speaker 1: But when she's conscious she can't understand what she's written.

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she ends up with seventy pages of material.

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Speaker 2: And what was it about.

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Speaker 1: Well, it turned out to be the story of her

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past life as a woman named ben Treshi.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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detailed and coherent.

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Speaker 2: So what did it say?

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Speaker 1: Well, according to the writings, Ben Treshi was born in

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Ebidos during the reign of Pharaoh.

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Speaker 2: Seti, the same Seti from the temple.

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a vegetable cellar who died when Bin Trishiet was very young.

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Speaker 2: She was dedicated to the goddess Isis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and at the age of twelve she took vows

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of con secreted virginity, meaning she was forbidden to marry

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Speaker 2: Those are very serious vows.

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Speaker 1: But then she had an affair with Pharaoh Ceti. Oh wow,

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sinning against Isis.

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Speaker 1: They were Ben Treshi was facing a trial, and rather

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than face the punishment and possibly implicate the Pharaoh, she

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Speaker 2: That's a tragic story.

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Speaker 1: It really is. And it's just so elaborate.

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Speaker 1: And you know, her adult life takes on this whole

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other layer of intrigue. So she starts working for an

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Speaker 2: Like she's still fighting for her people even in this

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Speaker 1: It's incredible. And then she starts corresponding with an Egyptian

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man named Amman abdel mcgwid and they eventually get married.

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Speaker 2: So she finally gets to go to Egypt.

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't just words. She really threw herself into

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Speaker 2: Like a tribute to the Pharaoh from her past life, and.

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couldn't handle her intense focus on ancient Egypt.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable. And after her divorce, she really made

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in Egypt. Seriously, Yeah, she broke through a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she just had this intuitive understanding of ancient Egyptian

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culture and language. She published essays and translated hieroglyphics and

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everyone was a maz knowledge.

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Speaker 2: It's like she was accessing some kind of hidden knowledge base.

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Speaker 1: And there's this famous story about a test that the

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Chief of Antiquities gave her.

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Speaker 2: Oh, tell me about that.

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Speaker 1: So he took her to the temple of Seti at.

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Speaker 2: Night, the one she called home.

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Speaker 2: So it was like a maze.

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he asked her to guide him through the temple.

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Speaker 1: Wow, she did it flawlessly.

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Speaker 2: She knew the layout perfectly in the dark, perfectly.

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Speaker 1: She led him through corridors and chambers and even pointed

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Speaker 2: And he was stumped totally.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: And then there were the archaeological discoveries that confirmed some

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Speaker 1: Right, like the garden she had described.

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Speaker 2: The one that wasn't in the photo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she told the archaeologists swear to look, and sure

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enough they found evidence of an ancient garden in that

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Speaker 2: She knew about that too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she had mentioned it, and later on archaeologists discovered it.

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Speaker 2: It's like she had a blueprint at the temple in

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Speaker 1: And because of her incredible knowledge, she was allowed to

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keep working at the pemple long after the usual retirement age.

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They recognized how valuable she was absolutely and it wasn't

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just the Temple of Seti. She made claims about other

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sites too, like what well, in nineteen seventy two, she

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said that Nefertiti's lost tomb was located beneath two Tenkummen's tomb.

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Speaker 2: That's a bold claim, it was.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, years later, in twenty fifteen, radar

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imaging revealed a hidden chamber in that exact location.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they haven't been able to excavate it yet, but

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it definitely adds some weight to Dorothy's claim.

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Speaker 2: It really does.

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Speaker 1: And she also claimed that there was a hidden room

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under the sphynx. Oh wow, And later on scans showed

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that there are indeed cavities beneath the sphynx. That's incredible,

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Like she had access to information that no one else had.

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Speaker 2: It really makes you think about the possibilities rata. So

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it's a core belief in many Eastern religions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Hinduismkhism exactly, for billions of people, the idea

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of the soul being reborn into new lives is a

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fundamental part of their faith. And it's not just about

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remembering a past life. It's tied to ideas about karma

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and the soul's journey through multiple lifetimes. It's a really

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complex and fascinating concept, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting to think about Dorothy's story in

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that context.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whether or not you believe in reincarnation, her experiences

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definitely raise some questions about the nature of consciousness and

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memory exactly.

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Speaker 2: And there's always the question of alternative explanations too, right,

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some skeptics has suggested that the head injury she sustained

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as a child could have played a role.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, maybe it triggered some kind of neurological condition.

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Speaker 2: That's possible. Brain drama can sometimes lead to things like

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foreign accent syndrome or even heightened imaginative abilities.

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Speaker 1: And it's also worth noting that she was institutionalized for

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mental health evaluations at one point.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the details about her early life come

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from her own.

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Speaker 1: Accounts, but there's always that element of subjectivity.

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Speaker 2: It's important to consider all the angles.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, But even with those caveats, it's still remarkable how

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many Egyptologists respected her knowledge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even the ones who were skeptical about reincarnation.

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Speaker 1: They acknowledged that she had this uncanny ability to understand

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ancient Egypt in a way that went beyond.

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Speaker 2: Intuition, and she made significant contributions to the field.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. They even nicknamed her the patron Saint of Egyptology. Wow,

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it's pretty amazing, it really is. And she's spent her

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final years living near the Temple of Seti in Abydos.

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Speaker 2: The place she always called home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she died there in nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 2: It's like she finally completed the circle.

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Speaker 1: It really is a remarkable story, isn't it is? And

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it really makes you think about the mysteries of the

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human mind. Absolutely, And it also makes you wonder about

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your own life, right, Like, are there places or experiences

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that resonate deeply with you that you can't quite explain. Yeah,

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maybe there are connections we just don't fully understand yet.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely something to ponder.

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Speaker 1: It is. Thanks for bringing the story to light.

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Speaker 2: It was my pleasure, and thanks.

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Speaker 1: To everyone for joining us on this deep dive.

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Speaker 2: Until next time, take care, Bye.