Speaker 1: Okay, so you know how sometimes a place just feels familiar,
like you've been there before, right, Well, imagine that, but
like times a thousand, right, like this deep in your
bone certainty that you lived a whole other life in
a specific time and place. And it's not just some
vague feeling. It's like you remember actual details, and those
details can actually be verified, like they line up with
historical records. Oh yeah, you brought this amazing story of
Dorothy Edie, and honestly, it makes you really think about
memory and identity and even like what time really is.
Speaker 2: It really does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's dive into this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what's really fascinating about Dorothy's story is that
it's not like she gradually became interested in ancient Egypt.
You know, it was like, boom, this huge shift after
a single event. So she's three years old, she has
this fall, and she's actually declared dead by the doctor. Seriously, yeah, briefly,
and then all of a sudden she comes back to life.
But it's like she's a different person, and she starts
having these incredibly vivid dreams. Yeah. She describes it as
this huge columned building with trees and green.
Speaker 1: Gardens so specific.
Speaker 2: Right, and it's not just some you know, random dream.
It's accompanied by this deep sense of like she doesn't belong.
Speaker 1: Like she's homesick, but for a place she's never been exactly.
Speaker 2: She's constantly saying she wants to go home, even though
she's in her family's house in London. Wow. And on
top of that, there are even reports that she would
sometimes speak with a foreign accent, just out of.
Speaker 1: The blue, like little flashes of something else.
Speaker 2: It's really strange, right, It really makes you wonder what
could trigger something like that neurologically, or maybe even something
beyond that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this longing for home and these sudden glimpses of
something else, it's like it's like linguistic pathways from another
time are kind of like, you know, flickering through it.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. Yeah, and this
wasn't just all in her head either.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: When she was four, her family takes her to the
British Museum and that becomes a really important one. You know,
most kids would be running off to the dinosaur.
Speaker 2: Exhibit or something, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: But not Dorothy. She be lines straight for the Egyptian artifacts.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Oh, Yeah, it's like she's drawn there by some invisible force.
And it's not just looking at the statue. She's interacting
with them, like she knows them so well. Uh. There
are reports that she was kissing their feet and even
scolding other visitors for wearing shoes. Wow, Like she genuinely
believed it was a sacred space and she was offended
they weren't treating it with respect.
Speaker 2: That's incredible, right, that's not typical four year old behavior.
Speaker 1: Oh it's not.
Speaker 2: There's a story right where she's standing in front of
a mummy case and she just declares, these are my
people in.
Speaker 1: An older sounding voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's like she's channeling someone else. And it
just gives you chills thinking about it.
Speaker 1: It really does. And that's what's so interesting about these
past life accounts. It's like this deep recognition that bypasses
any conscious.
Speaker 2: Learn that it's instinctive. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And with Dorothy, this fascination only got stronger as
she got older. So what happened, Well, by the time
she was seven, she was like completely obsessed with ancient Egypt.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She would spend hours pouring over encyclopedias with a
magnifying glass trying to decipher hieroglyphics, and when her mother
asked her what she was doing, she just said, I'm trying.
Speaker 2: To remember, like it was already in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Like it was more about unlocking something she
already knew than learning something new. And that feeling of
retrieval instead of acquisition is something that comes up a
lot in these kinds of stories.
Speaker 2: It really highlights that difference between a passing interest and
this like deep inner drive. Absolutely, it wasn't about absorbing
new information. It was about remembering something lost. And then
there's her reaction to the photo of the Temple of
Seti in Abidos. Oh. Yeah, that's another piece of the puzzle, right, right,
So she sees this picture and she's overcome with joy
and she's absolutely certain she recognizes it. She shouts, that's home.
Speaker 1: So powerful.
Speaker 2: Then she gets confused because she's expecting to see trees
and gardens in.
Speaker 1: The picture, but it's just desert, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like she has this memory of a place
that doesn't exist anymore, at least not in the same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that really points to a connection to a
specific time and place.
Speaker 2: It's like this memory that's stubbornly refusing to be overwritten
by present day reality.
Speaker 1: It's really fascinating, and it makes you think about other
cases of young children who claim to remember past lives.
Speaker 2: Right, like the Pollock twins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, their birthmarks mirrored the injuries of their deceased sisters.
Speaker 2: I've heard about that. And they recognized toys that had
belonged to their.
Speaker 1: Sisters too, exactly. And they were afraid of cars because
their sisters had died in a car accident.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then there's Jim's Leninger.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, the boy who thought he was a World
War II pilot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had these incredibly detailed memories of flying a
plane and being shot down, and they were actually able
to verify some of the details with historical records.
Speaker 2: That's incredible.
Speaker 1: And Ryan Hammond's who remembered being a Hollywood actor in
the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He gave names and addresses and even details about
old movies that were all accurate.
Speaker 2: Wow. That's wild.
Speaker 1: But you know it's interesting. That's that these early memories,
they often fade away around the age of five or six. Oh,
I see but Dorothy's memories they didn't fade, they got stronger.
That's a big difference, right, It's like there was something
different going on with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a deeper, more persistent connection.
Speaker 1: And this really comes through in her teenage years. How so, well,
she became very outspoken about her belief in reincarnation, and
that caused some conflict with her Sunday school teacher.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can imagine.
Speaker 1: She refused to sing hymns that were critical of ancient Egypt. Really,
and she even argued that Christianity had roots in Egyptian religion.
Speaker 2: Wow. She was really committed to this.
Speaker 1: Idea, absolutely, And then she met Sir Ea Wallace Budge
at the British Museum.
Speaker 2: The famous egyptologist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she picked up hieroglyphic reading incredibly quickly.
Speaker 2: Like she was remembering a language she'd forgotten.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And then there's the whole phenomenon of the
trance writing.
Speaker 2: What was that?
Speaker 1: Okay, so imagine this. Every night she starts hearing this
voice calling itself hour and she enters this trance like
state and starts scribbling pages and pages of notes and hieroglyphics.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: But when she's conscious she can't understand what she's written.
Speaker 2: That's strange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this goes on for over a year and
she ends up with seventy pages of material.
Speaker 2: And what was it about.
Speaker 1: Well, it turned out to be the story of her
past life as a woman named ben Treshi.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: And what's really interesting is that the story is incredibly
detailed and coherent.
Speaker 2: So what did it say?
Speaker 1: Well, according to the writings, Ben Treshi was born in
Ebidos during the reign of Pharaoh.
Speaker 2: Seti, the same Seti from the temple.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Her father was a soldier and her mother was
a vegetable cellar who died when Bin Trishiet was very young.
Speaker 2: Oh sad.
Speaker 1: She was then raised in the temple of com El
Sultan as a priestess, so.
Speaker 2: She was dedicated to the goddess Isis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and at the age of twelve she took vows
of con secreted virginity, meaning she was forbidden to marry
or have children.
Speaker 2: Those are very serious vows.
Speaker 1: But then she had an affair with Pharaoh Ceti. Oh wow,
and she became pregnant.
Speaker 2: That's a huge problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The high priest found out and accused her of
sinning against Isis.
Speaker 2: I imagine the consequences were pretty severe.
Speaker 1: They were Ben Treshi was facing a trial, and rather
than face the punishment and possibly implicate the Pharaoh, she
chose to commit suicide.
Speaker 2: That's a tragic story.
Speaker 1: It really is. And it's just so elaborate.
Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine just making something like that up,
especially with the hieroglyphics exactly.
Speaker 1: And you know, her adult life takes on this whole
other layer of intrigue. So she starts working for an
Egyptian public relations magazine and she becomes a vocal advocate
for Egyptian independence.
Speaker 2: Like she's still fighting for her people even in this
new life.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. And then she starts corresponding with an Egyptian
man named Amman abdel mcgwid and they eventually get married.
Speaker 2: So she finally gets to go to Egypt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when she arrives in Cairo, she kisses the
ground and says, I'm finally home.
Speaker 2: After all those years of longing.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just words. She really threw herself into
Egyptian life. She even adopted the name am Seti, which
means mother of Seti.
Speaker 2: Like a tribute to the Pharaoh from her past life, and.
Speaker 1: Her marriage unfortunately didn't last very long. Her husband reportedly
couldn't handle her intense focus on ancient Egypt.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it was all consuming for her.
Speaker 1: It really was. But she did have a son and
she named him Seti.
Speaker 2: Wow, like a reincarnation of her lost love.
Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable. And after her divorce, she really made
a name for herself professionally. How so, she became the
first woman to be hired by the Department of Antiquities
in Egypt. Seriously, Yeah, she broke through a lot of
barriers and she quickly gained a reputation as a brilliant scholar.
Speaker 2: Even though she didn't have any formal training.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she just had this intuitive understanding of ancient Egyptian
culture and language. She published essays and translated hieroglyphics and
everyone was a maz knowledge.
Speaker 2: It's like she was accessing some kind of hidden knowledge base.
Speaker 1: And there's this famous story about a test that the
Chief of Antiquities gave her.
Speaker 2: Oh, tell me about that.
Speaker 1: So he took her to the temple of Seti at.
Speaker 2: Night, the one she called home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but keep in mind this was before the temple
had been fully excavated, and there were no published maps
or descriptions of its layout.
Speaker 2: So it was like a maze.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it was pitch black, no lights, nope. And
he asked her to guide him through the temple.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Wow, she did it flawlessly.
Speaker 2: She knew the layout perfectly in the dark, perfectly.
Speaker 1: She led him through corridors and chambers and even pointed
out specific architectural features.
Speaker 2: And he was stumped totally.
Speaker 1: He couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: And then there were the archaeological discoveries that confirmed some
of her memories.
Speaker 1: Right, like the garden she had described.
Speaker 2: The one that wasn't in the photo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she told the archaeologists swear to look, and sure
enough they found evidence of an ancient garden in that
exact spot.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then there was the hidden tunnel on the north
side of the temple.
Speaker 2: She knew about that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she had mentioned it, and later on archaeologists discovered it.
Speaker 2: It's like she had a blueprint at the temple in
her mind.
Speaker 1: And because of her incredible knowledge, she was allowed to
keep working at the pemple long after the usual retirement age.
They recognized how valuable she was absolutely and it wasn't
just the Temple of Seti. She made claims about other
sites too, like what well, in nineteen seventy two, she
said that Nefertiti's lost tomb was located beneath two Tenkummen's tomb.
Speaker 2: That's a bold claim, it was.
Speaker 1: And you know what, years later, in twenty fifteen, radar
imaging revealed a hidden chamber in that exact location.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they haven't been able to excavate it yet, but
it definitely adds some weight to Dorothy's claim.
Speaker 2: It really does.
Speaker 1: And she also claimed that there was a hidden room
under the sphynx. Oh wow, And later on scans showed
that there are indeed cavities beneath the sphynx. That's incredible,
Like she had access to information that no one else had.
Speaker 2: It really makes you think about the possibilities rata. So
when we talk about reincarnation, it's important to remember that
it's a core belief in many Eastern religions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Hinduismkhism exactly, for billions of people, the idea
of the soul being reborn into new lives is a
fundamental part of their faith. And it's not just about
remembering a past life. It's tied to ideas about karma
and the soul's journey through multiple lifetimes. It's a really
complex and fascinating concept, and.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting to think about Dorothy's story in
that context.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whether or not you believe in reincarnation, her experiences
definitely raise some questions about the nature of consciousness and
memory exactly.
Speaker 2: And there's always the question of alternative explanations too, right,
some skeptics has suggested that the head injury she sustained
as a child could have played a role.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, maybe it triggered some kind of neurological condition.
Speaker 2: That's possible. Brain drama can sometimes lead to things like
foreign accent syndrome or even heightened imaginative abilities.
Speaker 1: And it's also worth noting that she was institutionalized for
mental health evaluations at one point.
Speaker 2: A lot of the details about her early life come
from her own.
Speaker 1: Accounts, but there's always that element of subjectivity.
Speaker 2: It's important to consider all the angles.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But even with those caveats, it's still remarkable how
many Egyptologists respected her knowledge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even the ones who were skeptical about reincarnation.
Speaker 1: They acknowledged that she had this uncanny ability to understand
ancient Egypt in a way that went beyond.
Speaker 2: Intuition, and she made significant contributions to the field.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. They even nicknamed her the patron Saint of Egyptology. Wow,
it's pretty amazing, it really is. And she's spent her
final years living near the Temple of Seti in Abydos.
Speaker 2: The place she always called home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she died there in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 2: It's like she finally completed the circle.
Speaker 1: It really is a remarkable story, isn't it is? And
it really makes you think about the mysteries of the
human mind. Absolutely, And it also makes you wonder about
your own life, right, Like, are there places or experiences
that resonate deeply with you that you can't quite explain. Yeah,
maybe there are connections we just don't fully understand yet.
Speaker 2: It's definitely something to ponder.
Speaker 1: It is. Thanks for bringing the story to light.
Speaker 2: It was my pleasure, and thanks.
Speaker 1: To everyone for joining us on this deep dive.
Speaker 2: Until next time, take care, Bye.