Speaker 1: No, I went on, you're putting. I got a string
Speaker 1: going on here.
Speaker 2: Something just killing my dog.
Speaker 1: Something killed your dog, my dog.
Speaker 2: We're flying through there, over the tree. I don't know
Speaker 2: how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All
Speaker 2: I saw is my dog coming over the fence, and
Speaker 2: he was dead once you hit the ground. I didn't
Speaker 2: have see any cars.
Speaker 1: All I saw was my dog coming over the fence.
Speaker 2: Sap, what are you putting?
Speaker 1: We got some wonder or something crawling.
Speaker 3: Around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Was?
Speaker 1: It was standing enough. I'm out here looking through the
Speaker 1: window now and I don't see anything. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go outside.
Speaker 2: Jesus quiet, you better.
Speaker 1: Hello, hit the boddy out here, Quen, I'm out there.
Speaker 1: I thought of a bitch about tick forty nine. I
Speaker 1: don't know easy him out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm walking right head. Well.
Speaker 4: While back, I got a message from a guy named
Speaker 4: Luke up in Canada. Luke's a huge fan of the show,
Speaker 4: been listening for a while now, and he reached out
Speaker 4: just because he wanted to talk. He didn't have any
Speaker 4: first hand encounters to share. He didn't have a sighting
Speaker 4: report or anything like that. He just genuinely wanted to
Speaker 4: have a conversation about Bigfoot, and honestly, I thought that
Speaker 4: was pretty cool. So Danny set it up, blocked off
Speaker 4: about an hour on my calendar, and Luke and I
Speaker 4: hopped on a video call and just talked, no script,
Speaker 4: no agenda, just two guys who loved the subject, sitting
Speaker 4: down and geeking out about it, and we had a blast.
Speaker 4: I mean, we really did. It was just a great time,
Speaker 4: and when it was over, I thought, you know what,
Speaker 4: I've got to share this with everybody, and it got
Speaker 4: me thinking, I'm seriously considering doing at least one one
Speaker 4: of these a month. So here's what I want to
Speaker 4: say to you. If you don't necessarily have your own encounters,
Speaker 4: but you'd love to just have a conversation about the subject,
Speaker 4: or maybe you've got some questions you want to ask
Speaker 4: me and you want to be a part of the show,
Speaker 4: reach out send me an email at Brian at Paranormalworldproductions
Speaker 4: dot com. But for now, let's join the conversation between
Speaker 4: Luke and me.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having the time to meet with me. For sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'm always interested in talking to people about Bigfoot. Obviously,
Speaker 4: it's a little bit different because we don't really have
Speaker 4: any encounters or anything like that to talk about. I'm
Speaker 4: definitely interested in the conversation and what you were interested
Speaker 4: in getting into.
Speaker 2: I guess a little just quick introduction about me. My
Speaker 2: name is Luke. I'm based here in Alberta, Canada. I
Speaker 2: spent most of my life hunting and traveling in some
Speaker 2: remote areas. Over time, my interest in sasquatch has shifted
Speaker 2: from listening to stories to wanting to approach it at
Speaker 2: more of a serious state, like in the field. I'm
Speaker 2: not really trying to prove anything overnight, of course, but
Speaker 2: I'm interested in documenting patterns, locations, conditions and ruling out
Speaker 2: normal explanations first and focusing on consistency not conclusion.
Speaker 1: Just that makes sense totally. I get it.
Speaker 4: It's very difficult for people like me. I've said this
Speaker 4: so many times on the show. I usually get so
Speaker 4: much shit from people in the audience when I try
Speaker 4: to do other things. If I'm just podcasting and I'm
Speaker 4: just doing a show and I'm just interviewing people, everybody's happy,
Speaker 4: right or most people are happy with that. But when
Speaker 4: I dig into the research itself, when I go out
Speaker 4: in the field on our property here. That's why I
Speaker 4: bought this forty acres was to research on it. I
Speaker 4: hoped that there might be something here. I go out,
Speaker 4: I start finding things, start finding tree breaks, which is
Speaker 4: obviously completely subjective. It could be anything. But when you
Speaker 4: find footprints, when you find hard evidence. In my opinion,
Speaker 4: we found rock stacks on the property here. Again, could
Speaker 4: it be somebody that's coming on these other thousand acres
Speaker 4: behind us that are ending up on the back of
Speaker 4: our property somehow and making a rock stack. Sure, that's possible,
Speaker 4: it's just not high probable. So the problem for me
Speaker 4: is as an entertainer, and it's taken me a while
Speaker 4: to get to that point because I've always taken this
Speaker 4: very seriously and always been into the research, always wanted
Speaker 4: to go out in the woods and have experiences and
Speaker 4: encounters of my own. But when I do that, people
Speaker 4: get upset about it because then now I'm the Bigfoot
Speaker 4: podcast guy who just happens to buy land in rural
Speaker 4: North Carolina and oh, he has Bigfoot walking sixty five
Speaker 4: yards away from his house and he's finding footprints. So
Speaker 4: then you have to deal with that, right, So most
Speaker 4: researchers and other people that are into this subject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you deal with the ridicule.
Speaker 4: You deal with people scoffing, You deal with people saying, oh,
Speaker 4: that's bullshit, that's a blurry picture, that's a bear print,
Speaker 4: or that's a person's footprint, whatever.
Speaker 1: You deal with that.
Speaker 4: But when you do what I do, which is entertain
Speaker 4: people in this space, it's difficult for me. When I
Speaker 4: wrote my first book, it's a very serious scientific approach
Speaker 4: at least I think so to the subject of saying, hey,
Speaker 4: this is what evidence really is, because people say, oh,
Speaker 4: stories aren't evidence. Yeah, anecdotal evidence is evidence. It's a
Speaker 4: different kind of evidence, but it is evidence. Nonetheless, plenty
Speaker 4: of people are sitting in jail sales right now because
Speaker 4: somebody pointed their finger in court and said I saw
Speaker 4: this guy do this to that person, and people go
Speaker 4: to jail for less. Right, So if we're talking about Bigfoot,
Speaker 4: then these anecdotal stories that I document I see my
Speaker 4: show at least Sasquatch Odyssey.
Speaker 1: I have other podcasts obviously that are just story.
Speaker 4: Based, but even there it is a repository for these
Speaker 4: kind of experiences people are having. But again, when you
Speaker 4: cross over as an entertainer and you start getting serious.
Speaker 4: It's almost like Hollywood actors who get into politics.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: People can do it.
Speaker 4: But they're looked at way differently than just another person
Speaker 4: running for mayor or governor or whatever. Because they're Hollywood types,
Speaker 4: they're entertainers. They shouldn't be dipping their toes in this.
Speaker 4: So it's always been a fine line for me, but
Speaker 4: I don't really give a shit at this point.
Speaker 1: I'll always go out and do what I want to do.
Speaker 4: I go out with groups and local groups. I go
Speaker 4: to different places. I've been to different countries looking for
Speaker 4: these creatures. So I'm always interested in people that are
Speaker 4: willing and looking to take it from Hey, I just
Speaker 4: want to be entertained by this subject. I you listening
Speaker 4: to a podcast and listening to people's encounters to actually
Speaker 4: getting out in the woods and looking for these things.
Speaker 4: I think that is a totally different level, and I'm
Speaker 4: always glad to see that people are making that shift
Speaker 4: because it could be and should be easier for a
Speaker 4: person like you to do than Oh woe is me,
Speaker 4: the poor podcaster where has to deal with people scoffing
Speaker 4: at him because of his bigfoot research At the end
Speaker 4: of the day.
Speaker 1: I don't really care.
Speaker 4: I am open and honest about what I do, where
Speaker 4: I go, what I find, and that was difficult for me.
Speaker 4: I don't know about you. We'd get into that if
Speaker 4: you want, if you found anything or any evidence of
Speaker 4: your own, but when you do. I sat on it
Speaker 4: for a long time. When I found the first prints
Speaker 4: here on the property that I cast, I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm not telling anybody this because nobody's going to believe
Speaker 4: it because I am the bigfoot guy, right and now
Speaker 4: I'm saying I found this. What are the chances? Well,
Speaker 4: clear to the chances are pretty good because it happened
Speaker 4: multiple times.
Speaker 1: I don't know what about you.
Speaker 4: Are you already going out in the woods just doing
Speaker 4: your natural thing.
Speaker 1: I see the bow back there. You're obviously a hunter.
Speaker 4: Are you just going out of hunting at this point
Speaker 4: or are you getting out with the mindset of, Hey,
Speaker 4: I'm leaving the bow behind. I'm not going out getting
Speaker 4: in the tree stand today. I'm actually going boots on
Speaker 4: the ground looking for bigfoot.
Speaker 2: That's a great question, actually, because I think it's evolved
Speaker 2: over time, starting young guys. You can see the deer skull.
Speaker 2: This is the buck from this year the bow. I
Speaker 2: actually never grew up hunting. It wasn't something like my
Speaker 2: father taught me or anything like that. I grew up
Speaker 2: in a city ish town like I'm from Northern Alberta
Speaker 2: Fort McMurray. I had family that hunted, but my old
Speaker 2: man never did, which is still welcome to death. But
Speaker 2: I found that passion on my own. I found it
Speaker 2: in my high Schoolish mets and friends and shouted a
Speaker 2: deer hunting and evolved over time in the subject of
Speaker 2: bigfoot or fantasies if anything takes scape reality. When I
Speaker 2: started growing up and then realizing, I'm like, hey, some
Speaker 2: of this stuff starts to make sense, mainly because I'm
Speaker 2: out in the woods and I'm big into prehistoric times
Speaker 2: like gigantopithecuss and stuff like that, where I'm like, evolutions possible.
Speaker 2: Look how far humans have tone I'm like, is it
Speaker 2: possible that something else could be out there? Definitely. What
Speaker 2: keeps me interested isn't really any single story, but it's
Speaker 2: the scale, the terrain, the human distribution. When you look
Speaker 2: how little land is actually occupied and consistently traveled, especially
Speaker 2: in places like Western Canada, the northern US, it refrains
Speaker 2: what's plausible right now. I haven't had a directing count
Speaker 2: of myself where I can say I have personally seen
Speaker 2: something standing there that I can't explain. I've seen stuff
Speaker 2: in the woods like odd breaks, stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it's odd, it's out of place. But
Speaker 2: I never really put anything together till I started really
Speaker 2: taking it seriously, listening to podcast looking into a guy
Speaker 2: that's in BC there, that bigfoot researcher, that codstanding, that
Speaker 2: interesting gentleman, his interesting footage. When it first came out,
Speaker 2: it kicked me off, but that it led me to
Speaker 2: find more, dare I say, credible stuff where let into
Speaker 2: your podcasts and other people you've been talking to where
Speaker 2: I could find more relation to how I thought of
Speaker 2: the subject as a whole. There was one time where
Speaker 2: I want to say it may have been an experience,
Speaker 2: it may not have been an experience. So I had
Speaker 2: planned hike. It's about six to seven kilometers one way.
Speaker 2: It's usually you follow up one trail and you saw
Speaker 2: the one trail back. The plan was to go with
Speaker 2: a couple of friends, but leave really early so that
Speaker 2: we hit the hot springs and we'd be there for
Speaker 2: what we called dear thirty or action thirty, where the
Speaker 2: sun's coming up, all the animals are moving. It'd be
Speaker 2: really cool to sit in the hot springs and elker
Speaker 2: around there grizzily bears. So we wanted to maybe see
Speaker 2: that while we sat in the Hot springs. Short story,
Speaker 2: it was everybody bailed on me last minute, but I
Speaker 2: was dead set on wanting to go on this trip.
Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, this would be a really cool experience.
Speaker 2: I've been there before, let's go again. I set out,
Speaker 2: I get there, I get to the trailhead and it's
Speaker 2: the middle of the week. Nobody's there, no cars, no nothing.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, perfect, but nobody's going to
Speaker 2: be up there. It should be a great time. As
Speaker 2: I'm following the trail, I'm following maps. I have my
Speaker 2: headlamp on it. You can see on the maps that
Speaker 2: there's two basically drainages that fall off of this pot
Speaker 2: spring essentially, and it creates two little valleys, and the
Speaker 2: one trail, like the main trail, follows one of them.
Speaker 2: But if you wanted, you could follow the drainage where
Speaker 2: it connects up again, and you can follow this second
Speaker 2: one up there's some open clearings. My thought was, if
Speaker 2: there's a chance of me seeing something that's not going
Speaker 2: to be on the main trail, I can follow this up.
Speaker 2: Go ahead. And I heard some elk bugling in the
Speaker 2: distance when I had got on the trail head, so
Speaker 2: I was feeling pretty good about the situation. But as
Speaker 2: I was coming up the drainage and heading towards the
Speaker 2: spring and the clearing where I thought I had heard
Speaker 2: elk from down, like probably a kilometer or two before,
Speaker 2: I had noticed like rocks falling ahead of me. Didn't
Speaker 2: think anything of it. There's a ridge on the other side.
Speaker 2: Rocks fall all the time. It continued to happen a
Speaker 2: couple of times, and then I had noticed when I
Speaker 2: was walking, like my foot head caught on something. So
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, ranch rock. I looked down, but
Speaker 2: my shoelace was untied. Took a couple of steps to
Speaker 2: just confirm that it was untied. I was like, oh hey,
Speaker 2: and I go to bend down and I start to
Speaker 2: toie my shoe, and literally as soon as I decided
Speaker 2: to stop and then down, a decent sized rock had
Speaker 2: rolled down where if I had continued to walk, it
Speaker 2: looked like it would. It came very close to where
Speaker 2: I was, so I'd stopped and I was like, okay.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, let's you know, I've hunted.
Speaker 2: I've been in the woods a lot. I was like, elk,
Speaker 2: early morning, cougar bear country. Maybe a cougar's tail in
Speaker 2: this thinks I'm an elk, or thinks I'm something. So
Speaker 2: I started making a bit more noise. But I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, what if something's in this area, I don't
Speaker 2: have a fire arm anything. I had some bear spray
Speaker 2: with seing you, but I was like, I just raight
Speaker 2: not head back to the main trail. Nothing happened after that.
Speaker 2: I had no more rocks anything like that. I didn't
Speaker 2: have a presence of that quietness where everything was quiet
Speaker 2: in the woods or felt like I was being watched.
Speaker 2: So I can't confirm if for what it was, but
Speaker 2: it felt weird, to say the least. I've seen weird
Speaker 2: tracks in the woods too, but nothing has been a
Speaker 2: definitive toe foot giant thing, nothing like that. But I
Speaker 2: want to stay open to the subject, to say the least.
Speaker 2: But as far as experiences would go, I'd say that
Speaker 2: would probably be the closest thing I would have had,
Speaker 2: but I can't label it as one. I just can't.
Speaker 4: I think there's so many people in that same boat
Speaker 4: with you. I was on social media early this morning
Speaker 4: when I get up. That's usually my thing. I get
Speaker 4: up every morning a little early and I just go
Speaker 4: through and see what's happening on Instagram and social media
Speaker 4: in relation to bigfoot stuff before I get my day started,
Speaker 4: and there was a post from a lady who I'm
Speaker 4: friends with on Facebook. Unfortunately, it's gotten to the point
Speaker 4: where I don't know all the people that I'm friends
Speaker 4: with on Facebook. They're five thousand friends and like eight
Speaker 4: thousand followers.
Speaker 1: It's hard to keep up with all these people.
Speaker 4: But this one lady that I'd never interacted with did
Speaker 4: a post and she was talking about bigfoot research and
Speaker 4: the state of the community and how disappointed she is
Speaker 4: that It wasn't worded exactly perfectly to get the point across.
Speaker 4: You had to kind of read into what she was saying.
Speaker 4: But it was pretty cool, at least to me, that
Speaker 4: she was trying to say, we need more real boots
Speaker 4: on the ground researchers out there in the subject because
Speaker 4: there's so many people out there doing the opposite. It's
Speaker 4: this sensational stuff, and we see it all the time here.
Speaker 4: I've got thirty six hundred followers on Instagram because I
Speaker 4: don't post a lot there, and the stuff that I
Speaker 4: post is real. I don't post a lot of evident stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't go out and do these cool videos where
Speaker 4: things are screaming in the background or trees are getting
Speaker 4: knocked over. But there's so much of that out there now,
Speaker 4: and I think it has tainted, at least in my opinion,
Speaker 4: what a lot of people think the subject is. If
Speaker 4: you go out looking for these things, and I've done
Speaker 4: it multiple times in many different places, ninety eight point
Speaker 4: nine percent of the time, it's sitting around the campfire
Speaker 4: talking shit and nothing's happening. That's just the reality that's
Speaker 4: not sexy for people. And I actually commented on her
Speaker 4: post on Facebook this morning and said, look, it's clear
Speaker 4: that these channels that have hundreds of thousands of followers
Speaker 4: out there. You mentioned Todd's Standing Todd is one of
Speaker 4: those channels. For Todd, he just recycles the same shit
Speaker 4: from like twenty twelve. He puts this picture of Jacob,
Speaker 4: this face of Sasquatch and says Sasquatch Evidence Discovery, like
Speaker 4: it's the greatest thing ever, and it's something that he
Speaker 4: filmed twelve years ago, and it's never anything new. It's
Speaker 4: just the same pontification with Todd.
Speaker 2: It's funny too that you mentioned that, because I had
Speaker 2: kept that my quote unquote rock possibility thing under raps
Speaker 2: for a little while. I felt weird about it, but
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, rocks are happened. But then I'd
Speaker 2: stumbled upon Todd's stuff, so I sent him an email,
Speaker 2: no acknowledgment, no nothing, which honestly I don't blame him.
Speaker 2: Some rocks faulting, Really, what's there? But I did start
Speaker 2: to notice the recycling of content because the content did
Speaker 2: interest me at first, and it caught my interest where
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, possibility of an actual good strotos
Speaker 2: finally sometime in the last one hundred years. Holy crap,
Speaker 2: that sounds great. But then when I just started seeing
Speaker 2: other post arb close people diving into it, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: let'll take it with a grain of salt, to say.
Speaker 4: A least, and stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When I first watched Discovering Bigfoot, I've said it so
Speaker 4: many times on the show. I was completely blown away.
Speaker 4: I walked away from watching that hour and a half
Speaker 4: documentary whatever it was, and I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 4: why are more people not talking about Why is everybody
Speaker 4: not talking about this. I wasn't really online at that
Speaker 4: point in the Bigfoot forums and the bigfoot groups on Facebook.
Speaker 4: When I got into that, I was like, Oh, people
Speaker 4: are clearly talking about this, and eighty percent of the
Speaker 4: people are saying it's complete horseshit in the other twenty
Speaker 4: or buying a hookline and sinker. And then I went
Speaker 4: to Todd's channel and saw all the videos and I
Speaker 4: was like, wow, this is interesting. In the beginning, I
Speaker 4: thought that those things were probably real images of a bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Then I watched it again, and then I watched it
Speaker 4: three more times. Everything then unraveled for me and I
Speaker 4: was like, way, there's this one scene and I've talked
Speaker 4: about it several times, and I was actually having a
Speaker 4: conversation with somebody recently that said the opposite of this
Speaker 4: for them. In Discovering Bigfoot, it was that scene where
Speaker 4: Tid's out in the middle of nowhere, and he's got
Speaker 4: flares going and he's screaming. These things are yelling, and
Speaker 4: he's in the ah. He's doing all this stuff. And initially,
Speaker 4: when you watch that for the first time, it's a
Speaker 4: very dramatic piece of film to see someone alone in
Speaker 4: the back country, potentially surrounded by at least I think
Speaker 4: three of these things at this point. And then you've
Speaker 4: got this glove. I'm sorry, it's not a glove, it's
Speaker 4: a sasquatch hand. This sasquatch hand that he catches taking
Speaker 4: the apple in the background. Yeah, all this happened, and
Speaker 4: I started thinking I've got Bigfoot on the brain. And
Speaker 4: I just went back and watched that again completely subjectively.
Speaker 4: I just said, I'm gonna sit down and I'm going
Speaker 4: to clear my mind, and I'm going to watch this again.
Speaker 4: And if you do that a couple of times, it's
Speaker 4: very clear to me that's a voice of the sound
Speaker 4: the audio of these alleged creatures.
Speaker 1: I've heard that before.
Speaker 4: I've had people send me videos in the past that
Speaker 4: were very similar to that. That appears to be a
Speaker 4: voiceover of an alleged sasquatch, growling gruntings yelling whatever. And
Speaker 4: then I thought, when have I ever been out in
Speaker 4: the woods anywhere? And let me ask you this question.
Speaker 4: You may make a fool out of me. You spend
Speaker 4: a lot of time in the woods. I live in
Speaker 4: the woods. Guess how many times I've ever went out
Speaker 4: in the woods with a flair.
Speaker 2: I've only started considering it now only because I've been
Speaker 2: going guiding in remote places on jetboats, rivers where we're
Speaker 2: two three hours away from medical attention, where if we
Speaker 2: potentially need to call a helicopter and it's dark or
Speaker 2: something like that. I've only considered it then, and even then,
Speaker 2: that's only been something that's crossed my mind within recent times.
Speaker 2: And even then it is super unnecessary. And the way
Speaker 2: I looked at it was because I had watched that
Speaker 2: over and over again as well, because when I first
Speaker 2: saw it, I was like, oh, yeah, I got's the
Speaker 2: big twood standing at the tree. It threw a log
Speaker 2: at him. That's a hand grabbing the app I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: this is great. When you start to look at and
Speaker 2: listen to other stories about how you know these things
Speaker 2: potentially impossibly act. If he's sitting there screaming and this
Speaker 2: and that I don't think the road flare is gonna
Speaker 2: stop ten foot eight hundred, nine hundred pound essentially pissed
Speaker 2: off gorilla. When in human history has a road flare
Speaker 2: ever stop an animal charge like that. I've been charged
Speaker 2: by bold loose. I've had grizzly bears chatter at me.
Speaker 2: I don't think about pulling out a road flare. I
Speaker 2: think about pulling out a firearm, not like a road flares,
Speaker 2: least of my concern.
Speaker 4: And if you watch that again with an open mind
Speaker 4: and think critically, the only thing that does is makes
Speaker 4: a very dramatic image.
Speaker 1: On video for a documentary.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what a rate for content.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it's designed to do.
Speaker 4: So when you get into that and you start looking
Speaker 4: at those things, and then of course I eventually went
Speaker 4: out with Todd. I went out for seven days with
Speaker 4: Todd back in twenty twenty three, and I said it
Speaker 4: so many times. There was activity there, We had experiences there.
Speaker 4: Didn't get to see a sasquatch, but we had rocks
Speaker 4: thrown at us, we got vocalizations. I saw more tree
Speaker 4: breaks than I will ever see ever again anywhere on Earth.
Speaker 1: Either.
Speaker 4: Todd's out there spending ninety percent of his time doing this,
Speaker 4: or he's hiring people to do it, or there's something
Speaker 4: to that part of.
Speaker 1: It at least.
Speaker 4: But that is the stuff that sells in research, and
Speaker 4: I think it's so difficult to find.
Speaker 1: People who do real research.
Speaker 4: I don't know how we can help that along, because
Speaker 4: I think we've tilted so far one side to the
Speaker 4: other on this entertainment Teeter Todd that we've been on
Speaker 4: in this community for so long. It's definitely leaning way
Speaker 4: more towards people just want to be entertained by the
Speaker 4: subject versus actually getting out and trying to do the
Speaker 4: research on their own. The group of people that are
Speaker 4: serious about it and approach it the right way. I've
Speaker 4: went out with groups myself in different areas across the country,
Speaker 4: and it's a very different approach depending on who you
Speaker 4: go out with, where you go out, and how they
Speaker 4: decide to do their research.
Speaker 1: I've been out with groups.
Speaker 4: Where I spend ninety percent of the day scratching my head,
Speaker 4: going that's nothing, that's where a turkey scratched on the ground,
Speaker 4: that's not a footprint, those kind of things, And then
Speaker 4: you go out with people and there are legitimate researchers
Speaker 4: that are boots on the ground and trying to do
Speaker 4: this the right way. They think critically, they debunk most
Speaker 4: of the stuff that they come across. And then you
Speaker 4: have that other group of people that unfortunately flood the airwaves,
Speaker 4: whether it be on TikTok, YouTube, you name the social
Speaker 4: media platform, that are going out there doing these nighttime
Speaker 4: videos with four or five of them, and every time
Speaker 4: they go out, there's whoops, there's screams, there's trees falling,
Speaker 4: get rocks thrown at them, they're getting vocalizations, they're seeing
Speaker 4: things every time they go out. It's complete and one
Speaker 4: hundred percent bullshit. But it's the kind of thing, unfortunately
Speaker 4: that our scrolling nano second attention spans. I'm sure it's
Speaker 4: the same way around the world that we now have
Speaker 4: with the social media mentality that if you don't catch
Speaker 4: somebody's attention within the first millisecond of them seeing whatever
Speaker 4: it is you're putting out there, you lose them.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 4: It goes back to most of the time bigfoot sasquatch
Speaker 4: investigation research, whatever you call it, is boring. It is
Speaker 4: literally going camping with a bunch of people sitting around
Speaker 4: talking hiking in the woods at night in ninety eight
Speaker 4: percent of the time nothing happens, and that's just not
Speaker 4: sexy for people. So it is something I think that
Speaker 4: has to be an innate passion for people. Either you
Speaker 4: have this passion for hunting or hiking or walking your dog.
Speaker 4: There's Brian and I don't even remember where they're at,
Speaker 4: somewhere up north. He has a whole YouTube channel where
Speaker 4: he just takes his dogs on these beautiful walks. But
Speaker 4: he's also into Bigfoot because he had a Bigfoot experience.
Speaker 4: I had him on the show over the last couple
Speaker 4: of years. Either you're already in the woods and you
Speaker 4: just roll that into sasquatch research while you're doing your
Speaker 4: other thing, or you become obsessed with it. And there's
Speaker 4: plenty of people that I know, even around me in
Speaker 4: this area in North Carolina that are obsessed with going
Speaker 4: out looking for Bigfoot. And I think it's great. You
Speaker 4: just have to be responsible with what you put out there.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, yeah, it's a slippery slope for me.
Speaker 4: I want more people to be boots on the ground.
Speaker 4: I live in the woods. I'm here three hundred and
Speaker 4: sixty five days a year unless I'm traveling. People say
Speaker 4: that to me all the time. They usually go out
Speaker 4: on these campouts and stuff, and I'm the one who
Speaker 4: wants to sit around the campfire while everybody else is
Speaker 4: going out on the night hike. They're like, aren't you coming?
Speaker 4: I'm like, I do this every night. This is an
Speaker 4: escape for me. I want to sit by the fire.
Speaker 4: Somebody needs demand the fire, somebody needs to watch where
Speaker 4: we're camping, and there's usually a group of people who
Speaker 4: do that. And sometimes we've had encounters, I'll say experiences,
Speaker 4: not encounters. We've had experiences just sitting around the campfire.
Speaker 4: That's where ninety percent of the things that happened to
Speaker 4: me up in Radium with Todd happened while we were
Speaker 4: sitting around the campfire, just talking like we are. Now,
Speaker 4: there's different ways to do the research. I'm at a
Speaker 4: loss at this point how to drag more people in.
Speaker 4: We need more serious researchers. We need more people that
Speaker 4: are going to put out exactly what happens the way
Speaker 4: that it happens, and not post a bunch of paradolia.
Speaker 4: Everything they take a picture of has a bigfoot face
Speaker 4: in it. We have to have more real research going on,
Speaker 4: and you can't add to or even subtract from what
Speaker 4: you're finding. It does a disservice, in my opinion, to
Speaker 4: the people that are really going out there and doing it.
Speaker 2: And I almost find that trickles or snowballs into it
Speaker 2: is it almost puts a little bit more fear onto
Speaker 2: people to coming forward with these kinds of things, because it's, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing on social media these people are getting yelled
Speaker 2: at and trees thrown at them and all this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. It's I had pebbles thrown at me, or
Speaker 2: I saw a shadow figure outside of my campfire that
Speaker 2: you know, disappeared as something like that. It's funny too,
Speaker 2: because I've been listening to the podcast for quite some time.
Speaker 2: But then me and the girlfriend her parents a little
Speaker 2: about four hours away from us, and we go visit
Speaker 2: them once twice a month. I started putting the podcast
Speaker 2: on the drive because I was like, hey, sorry a bit,
Speaker 2: I want to listen to some stuff instead of listen
Speaker 2: to some music. And then she started getting interested lightly
Speaker 2: in the subject too. She started asking me questions too.
Speaker 2: Because I've been hunting for quite some time. A big
Speaker 2: thing I like to do is pattern recognition with my animals.
Speaker 2: I have a deer spot, I have my beare spots.
Speaker 2: I can bring you out to a certain area. I
Speaker 2: can expect the deer to roughly do this around this
Speaker 2: time of the year. Look at the hunting community as
Speaker 2: a whole, Like we've learned the patterns of these animals
Speaker 2: when they brought, when they're in bachelor groups, when they
Speaker 2: do all this. If there's something else out there, I'm
Speaker 2: going to go back to that thing I said earlier,
Speaker 2: Like when you look at the human land use again,
Speaker 2: like ninety five percent of the world's population words on
Speaker 2: about ten percent of the land, So large portions of
Speaker 2: the planet, literally billions of acres, anywhere from three to
Speaker 2: eight billion acres are literally sparsely populated or seasonally traveled
Speaker 2: or effectively uninhabitable whatsoever. When you narrow that down to
Speaker 2: the boreal forest, the mountains, swamps, rugged trains, like places
Speaker 2: that humans rarely moved through or maybe briefly moved through,
Speaker 2: it becomes a little bit easier to understand that if
Speaker 2: something's rare, mobile and intelligent enough, it could possibly avoid
Speaker 2: consistent detection the way I want to look at it.
Speaker 2: Going into the field, expanding my research and field is
Speaker 2: finding patterns, finding recognition, whether it be repetitive locations of sightings,
Speaker 2: and then finding patterns, whether it's pebblestones, this that you know,
Speaker 2: and subjectively, like with tree knocks, the howls, we genuinely
Speaker 2: don't know what the me. It could mean anything from
Speaker 2: being friendly, it could be anything from communicating with other
Speaker 2: big foots. It could be whatever, like sure, we know
Speaker 2: what an elk mating call sounds like, we know what
Speaker 2: deer mating calls sound like, to know what a sasquatch
Speaker 2: is saying or doing? It could be all subjectives from
Speaker 2: this point, So trying to find patterns, whether it be terrain,
Speaker 2: consistent events, sounds, and trying to essentially build a portfolio
Speaker 2: like we have of other animals would be something as
Speaker 2: I'm trying to lean towards. Now, I know that's going
Speaker 2: to be very hard to do because genuinely, I don't
Speaker 2: speak bigfoot. I don't think anybody does. But it's the
Speaker 2: approach that I'm looking at things is trying to find
Speaker 2: these patterns, because whether it's fish, ear, moose, human, you
Speaker 2: name it, everything has a pattern. Everything does stuff for
Speaker 2: a reason, and it's finding those patterns and consistencies, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, and I think if people went out with
Speaker 2: that kind of mindset, other than looking to get screamed
Speaker 2: at or looking to get rocks thrown out them, literally
Speaker 2: going out to experience it and not I don't want
Speaker 2: to say intentionally going to look for something, because yes,
Speaker 2: ultimately you're going to look for an experience or maybe
Speaker 2: have a connection of some sort. But going out with
Speaker 2: an open mind that we don't know what these things
Speaker 2: can do, document everything that you may experience, and go
Speaker 2: from there.
Speaker 1: One of the other things too.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm going to play Devil's advocate during
Speaker 4: this whole conversation, but that's part.
Speaker 1: Of my thing.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. This is something I did. It
Speaker 4: was months and months ago, it might have been a
Speaker 4: couple of years ago. At this point, i'd never seen
Speaker 4: the legend of Boggy Creek. When we were doing that
Speaker 4: big podcast which is coming back, folks, It's just going
Speaker 4: to look different. At some point in time in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty six, doctor Hogan Chirou and I will be revising
Speaker 4: that show and bringing it back to you.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 4: People are emailing all the time, so just hold you tators.
Speaker 4: It's coming, I promise. One of the things that Wayne
Speaker 4: and I used to do when we were hosting that
Speaker 4: show together was talk about some of these things that
Speaker 4: frankly piss us off bigfoot and bigfoot research, and it
Speaker 4: was just part of the show. But I think what
Speaker 4: happens is people are going out, and I wish more
Speaker 4: people did that, but honestly, more people are going out
Speaker 4: for those experiences.
Speaker 1: And I'm no different.
Speaker 4: I go out every time I'm looking for these things,
Speaker 4: hoping I get screamed at or find a footprint. I
Speaker 4: think that's human nature. I think the problem is that
Speaker 4: we've been set up in a lot of ways that
Speaker 4: a when people are going out looking for those things,
Speaker 4: then they don't find it, they feel like they're failing
Speaker 4: because they feel like, based on what they see on
Speaker 4: social media and in these bigfoot forums and bigfoot groups
Speaker 4: on Facebook, if they're not finding this every time they
Speaker 4: go out, they're either doing something wrong or the sasquatch
Speaker 4: arn't there.
Speaker 2: It's funny you say that, actually, because when people say
Speaker 2: that to me, because like I've brought it up to friends.
Speaker 2: Actually I've even brought it up to a couple of
Speaker 2: friends that we were hopping on a call today and
Speaker 2: some of them showed some kind of like weoll heck, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: that's great, and then other ones I could tell you
Speaker 2: like oh bigfoot cool. I was like, nah. But when
Speaker 2: people bring that up where it's when you go, oh,
Speaker 2: you're looking for experiences when you don't happen they're not there.
Speaker 2: It's okay, let me take you out to the woods
Speaker 2: to go try and find one hundred and sixty inch
Speaker 2: year every single day. It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 2: To think you're going to get an experience every single day, Matt.
Speaker 2: This year alone, I could probably count on one hand
Speaker 2: how many deer I saw and I was out like
Speaker 2: thirty forty days this year. Like it just doesn't happen
Speaker 2: all the time. And that's what people need to understand.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point.
Speaker 4: And the other thing, too, is I think that I
Speaker 4: found this in documenting all of these anecdotal experiences, and
Speaker 4: this is a problem across the board, and I've touched
Speaker 4: on it a couple of times. I have to be
Speaker 4: very careful, or I try to be very careful, because
Speaker 4: I'm in the business of collecting people's stories. That's what
Speaker 4: this show is all about is people's encounter stories being shared.
Speaker 4: Their own experience is from the people who had those experiences.
Speaker 4: But what Wayne and I did back a couple of
Speaker 4: years ago was watch the Legend of Bible Creek for
Speaker 4: the first time and stay tuned for more Sasquatch out
Speaker 4: to see We'll be right back after these messages, and
Speaker 4: then we talked about it on the show. We made
Speaker 4: it a whole thing over a couple of weeks. He
Speaker 4: was in Tennessee. I was down here in North Carolina
Speaker 4: watching it, texting back and forth. I took two pages
Speaker 4: of notes in my notebook while I was watching this movie.
Speaker 4: I'm writing down everything as it's coming out, and there's
Speaker 4: so many things that if you look at that, I
Speaker 4: think that movie was filmed like in seventy one or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: And then you look at twenty twenty six today, when
Speaker 4: I have a conversation with the person I'm interviewing at
Speaker 4: eight o'clock tonight and talking about their experiences and their encounters,
Speaker 4: I can almost put the pages side by side and
Speaker 4: check boxes of the smell, the feeling of ominous drid,
Speaker 4: everything going quiet, no birds, no squirrels. It seemed like
Speaker 4: the wind even stopped blowing stuff, the same stuff over
Speaker 4: and over, which again I've said this so many times.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying.
Speaker 4: By any means that everybody whole cloth is making up
Speaker 4: their encounter stories, but I think we do need to
Speaker 4: be very mindful and very honest with each other about
Speaker 4: the fact that we are influenced even when we don't
Speaker 4: realize we're being influenced. If you're a person who's into
Speaker 4: Bigfoot at the age of ten, eleven, twelve, and you're
Speaker 4: watching a movie like The Legend of Boggy Creek in
Speaker 4: the seventies when it came out, it's going to make
Speaker 4: a huge impact on you, and that's going to stick
Speaker 4: with you throughout your life. And then if you go
Speaker 4: out in the woods as an adult or later on
Speaker 4: in life and you have experiences, are you going to
Speaker 4: draw from that entertaining movie that you watched when you
Speaker 4: were twelve years old and remember everything that happened in
Speaker 4: that movie, and then somehow that gets superimposed on your experience.
Speaker 4: Maybe you heard something snap, Maybe there did seem to
Speaker 4: be a hush over the woods, but maybe it was
Speaker 4: because a black bear was in the woods with you
Speaker 4: and you didn't see it. It's possible that it's a
Speaker 4: black bear and not a bigfoot. But because of the
Speaker 4: legend of Boggy Creek shows like mine, unfortunately all the
Speaker 4: documentaries sometimes those stories go from a snapped twig to
Speaker 4: this feeling of maybe being watched. Maybe it did get quiet,
Speaker 4: maybe the squirrel chatter did die down to a full
Speaker 4: blown bigfoot encounter.
Speaker 2: And I love that you say that too, actually, because
Speaker 2: it's human nature to try and find reason behind something,
Speaker 2: especially when you're scared. You don't want to be scared.
Speaker 2: You don't want to be frightened. Your mind is going
Speaker 2: to run a million miles a minute to try and
Speaker 2: rationalize that what is going on? I walk into the
Speaker 2: deer stand, or I've been on the jet boat in
Speaker 2: middle of the night, or you're walking in or from
Speaker 2: your stand where you're hearing cracks or this and that
Speaker 2: where it's a spooky, spooky time. I always like to
Speaker 2: make the joke when I'm going to my friends, I'll
Speaker 2: send them a photo when I get to my trailhead
Speaker 2: going and oh, time to play my favorite game. What's
Speaker 2: that noise in the dark? It could be a deer?
Speaker 2: It could be a bear. It could be any of
Speaker 2: these things. And that's why I sit there try to
Speaker 2: be a rational mind. But it's like there's so much
Speaker 2: stuff out in those wits for it to possibly be
Speaker 2: sasquatch or a bigfoot. It could be subjective unless you
Speaker 2: have eyes on this and that, it is very hard
Speaker 2: to tell what a tree break, sir. That why it
Speaker 2: went quiet, Like you said, it could be a bear
Speaker 2: walking one hundred yards away from you. But one of
Speaker 2: the things I love to tell my clients when they
Speaker 2: come in because we like to do moose and bear
Speaker 2: on combos, is nothing is more quiet than a bear
Speaker 2: coming into a bait site. You can be sitting there.
Speaker 2: Our stands are about twenty yards off of our baits
Speaker 2: because their boat baits as well. I don't even have
Speaker 2: enough hands to count how many times I've seen a
Speaker 2: bear come into that bait and you did not hear
Speaker 2: that bear come in, not once. So for a bear
Speaker 2: to be walking in the woods and you not hear
Speaker 2: a single thing other than maybe it slips up and
Speaker 2: breaks a twig, very possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I always encourage people to obviously draw on
Speaker 4: your own experiences, draw on things you've read, things you've seen.
Speaker 4: But I think a lot of times I can almost
Speaker 4: tell in some interviews that people are mentally checking the
Speaker 4: boxes to make sure that they regurgitate all the things
Speaker 4: that they're supposed to say during their encounter.
Speaker 1: And that's a very unfortunate part, but it happens. I
Speaker 1: do say this. I think that is a.
Speaker 4: Very small percentage of the people that actually come on
Speaker 4: a show like mine and share their experiences. I know
Speaker 4: that happens almost ninety percent of the time in my opinion.
Speaker 4: And these Facebook groups that people seem to take everything
Speaker 4: that's said there for the gospel. There's big groups out
Speaker 4: there with literally tens of thousands of people in these groups,
Speaker 4: and you get in there, and I'm members of some
Speaker 4: of these groups, I see it all the time. People
Speaker 4: are posting these paradolia pictures of stix leaves and trees,
Speaker 4: and there's five hundred comments about how they see the
Speaker 4: baby Bigfoot being held up by the adult Bigfoot. It's
Speaker 4: stix leaves and trees. It's not a sasquad. Yeah, over
Speaker 4: and over again. And it does get a little disconcerting
Speaker 4: at points from me because I just scratch my head
Speaker 4: and throw my hands up in the air because I
Speaker 4: want more people to be serious about the subject. But
Speaker 4: the entertainment part of it seems to be what draws
Speaker 4: people in, and unfortunately, the people that draws in don't
Speaker 4: seem to be as serious about the subject as other
Speaker 4: people tend to be.
Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of serious researchers.
Speaker 4: Out there, don't get me wrong, I know a ton
Speaker 4: of them personally, and I am so thankful that they're
Speaker 4: out there, But by and large, I think the average
Speaker 4: Joe unfortunately just wants to be entertained by Bigfoot and
Speaker 4: cares way less than most people would think about anything
Speaker 4: else related to the subject.
Speaker 2: And that's one thing that I've loved about the podcast
Speaker 2: here is not only am I getting the ear stories, interactions,
Speaker 2: everything like that, but I've been able to find other
Speaker 2: people that you've interviewed that have other point of views.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the gentleman's name and trying a blank
Speaker 2: on me right now that I was listening to a
Speaker 2: podcast with the girlfriend actually the other week where he
Speaker 2: has that research area that he has all the upside
Speaker 2: down trees that he believes is some sort of feeding
Speaker 2: system of some sort like that theory and just like
Speaker 2: what he was saying during that, and I went down
Speaker 2: a dive on his YouTube channel there, and it's cool
Speaker 2: to find other people that are interested in the subject
Speaker 2: have different point of views, because then you can have
Speaker 2: more of a broader perspective of things for sure, which
Speaker 2: honestly led me to one of the questions I did have.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that Western Canada is underreported because of
Speaker 2: the population density and reporting barriers or do you think
Speaker 2: it's just harder to get people to speak publicly about it?
Speaker 2: Because I noticed a lot of the stories the state's Alaska.
Speaker 2: It's pretty few and far between for Canada, but almost
Speaker 2: seems like they're in the States, kind of in Canada
Speaker 2: and then definitely in Alaska.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it has to do with a couple
Speaker 4: of things. I think, by and large, most people don't
Speaker 4: talk about their experiences. Hey, yeah, they're not into the subject.
Speaker 4: They're people that are having these experiences that are just
Speaker 4: out hiking with their wives on the weekends, or they're
Speaker 4: hiking solo or with buddies, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 4: They're not thinking about Bigfoot. Bigfoot isn't on their radar.
Speaker 4: It happens a lot of times in the stories that
Speaker 4: Fred Shaar's Fred and I were just talking about that
Speaker 4: a couple of days ago. Is these people are going
Speaker 4: out there just doing their thing, and maybe they're aware
Speaker 4: of bigfoot because they grew up in Alaska, they heard
Speaker 4: about the Hairy Man. Maybe it's on their radar that way,
Speaker 4: but it being a subject that they're interested in, They're
Speaker 4: not watching documentaries, they're not listening to my show, and
Speaker 4: then they have an experience.
Speaker 1: What do you do with that? Who do you talk
Speaker 1: to about that?
Speaker 4: They may not even know there's a podcast out there
Speaker 4: like mine that they can go say, Dude, I just
Speaker 4: ran into an eight foot ape man while I was
Speaker 4: out hiking yesterday.
Speaker 2: It's not something you could exactly go post on Twitter exactly,
Speaker 2: and most people are like, I don't know what I saw,
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 4: I'm just not going to talk about it. And then
Speaker 4: I think there is I've said it so many times
Speaker 4: on the show. In order for there to be a
Speaker 4: bigfoot encounter, there has to be a sasquatch, and there
Speaker 4: has to be a person, and they have to be
Speaker 4: in the same place at the same time. So I
Speaker 4: think the density or lack of density and population, and
Speaker 4: a lot of these rural areas or remote areas, Hey,
Speaker 4: there's no people out there. The Sasquatch have the run
Speaker 4: of the place and nobody's running into each other.
Speaker 1: And then if you do have.
Speaker 4: An area where they're out doing something recreational, or maybe
Speaker 4: they live in the area, whatever, they have a roadside
Speaker 4: crossing and they see this thing cross across a trail,
Speaker 4: or they have rocks thrown at them, whatever the case
Speaker 4: may be. Who do you tell that? Who do you say, Hey, man,
Speaker 4: I had this weird thing where something was throwing rocks
Speaker 4: at me. Oh, I was just some kid or somebody
Speaker 4: on the.
Speaker 1: Trail or whatever.
Speaker 4: It gets dismissed, and I think that's why you don't
Speaker 4: hear about it. So I was interested in the fact
Speaker 4: that one of the things you talked about in the
Speaker 4: email when you sent it in initially was looking at mapping
Speaker 4: or putting together some sort of a repository to track
Speaker 4: where these things are happening with some of those details.
Speaker 4: And there are people out there doing that. Scott Tompkins
Speaker 4: comes to mind at the Bigfoot mapping project. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: there are other people that have their own databases. I
Speaker 4: have access to a few of those databases, obviously, the
Speaker 4: BFRO being the biggest by far as far as a
Speaker 4: repository for these things getting reported to and actually most
Speaker 4: of them, or some of them at least get investigated,
Speaker 4: So there are those things out there.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: I think it's great.
Speaker 4: I think those stories being documented that way are fantastic.
Speaker 4: I think it pushes the subject down the field a
Speaker 4: little bit as far as the research, because you can
Speaker 4: compare what happened in nineteen seventy four in rural Georgia
Speaker 4: to what happened in nineteen ninety six in western Pennsylvania,
Speaker 4: or whatever the case may be. I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 4: I just don't know if there's enough people out there
Speaker 4: that are willing to do that kind of work, because
Speaker 4: if you have a conversation with Scott, he'll tell you how.
Speaker 1: Much work it is.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of work to just get those things.
Speaker 4: I don't think Scott does a whole lot of vetting
Speaker 4: because you just can't. It's almost impossible to vet an
Speaker 4: anecdotal encounter with a creature like this. You just can't
Speaker 4: do it. It's like ambulance chasing. Back in the day
Speaker 4: with Renee de Hendon and John Green and all those
Speaker 4: guys they used to ambulance chase when they started getting
Speaker 4: into this going to the next place and getting the
Speaker 4: next hot interaction, trying to get to the next place,
Speaker 4: trying to get with the next interaction with somebody who
Speaker 4: claimed to have an encounter, and it just doesn't work.
Speaker 4: It's so difficult to do, and oftentimes people are telling
Speaker 4: these stories thirty years after they have the experience. Again,
Speaker 4: you can't vet that, but you can pull that information
Speaker 4: into a podcast like mine, and it's there in perpetuity.
Speaker 4: I could die tomorrow and all these episodes that I've
Speaker 4: done will be out there for people to listen to
Speaker 4: in a hundred years if they choose to and say, hey,
Speaker 4: Brian talked to this dude in Florida and he had
Speaker 4: the same experience as this guy in Alaska.
Speaker 1: That's weird.
Speaker 4: They obviously haven't talked, so something's going on here. I
Speaker 4: just don't know that there's enough of that, unfortunately, And
Speaker 4: I feel like, again i'm Debbie Downer today, but I
Speaker 4: feel like we're moving in this direction where most people
Speaker 4: just want to be entertained and they don't give a
Speaker 4: shit about the data. They don't give a shit about
Speaker 4: anything really other than being entertained with these cool stories
Speaker 4: or these new the Bigfoot point of view blog video.
Speaker 4: And I've made some of those myself. I'm guilty. I
Speaker 4: bought into it, folks. I put them out there. It's fun,
Speaker 4: it's a great creative outlet, but it doesn't help anybody
Speaker 4: who's seriously looking for answers into what these creatures are,
Speaker 4: why we can't find them more readily, why we can't
Speaker 4: study them. And ultimately, I think this has changed for
Speaker 4: me over the years. I've talked about it pretty candidly. Recently.
Speaker 4: I used to really be big into discovery, getting them
Speaker 4: recognized by science. I frankly don't care about that anymore. Honestly,
Speaker 4: I am even leaning more towards let's just leave them alone.
Speaker 1: Let's just leave them alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I've found myself. And it's weird too,
Speaker 2: because I fullheartedly I haven't been out for years just
Speaker 2: trying to do field research or this and that. This
Speaker 2: is something that I've wanted to start doing research recently.
Speaker 2: But I've noticed my mind change over the years, and
Speaker 2: I think that's what's triggered me to want to look
Speaker 2: into a field research. Is when I first started this approach,
Speaker 2: young kid fantasy playing video games, this and that, young hunter,
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, the only way these things are
Speaker 2: going to get discovered is this somebody puts one down
Speaker 2: or something like that. And that's why I bought my
Speaker 2: big rifle, overcompensating maybe a little bit, but I do
Speaker 2: shoot a three seventy eight weather be magnum. I plan
Speaker 2: on hunting Africa one day. But also I've seen how
Speaker 2: big some of these bears and moose get up here.
Speaker 2: I like having a big old cannon with species. But
Speaker 2: I slowly started shifting from Oh, this is how they're
Speaker 2: going to get discovered, blah blah blah. It's the only way.
Speaker 2: But then when you look at human nature and what
Speaker 2: we do to things we discover, it's never good, never good.
Speaker 2: So I slowly found my mind switching from wanting to
Speaker 2: discover these things and prove their quote unquote real to
Speaker 2: just the experience and the acknowledgment where I've spent the
Speaker 2: years in the woods. I've seen moose, I've seen grizzly bears,
Speaker 2: I've seen black bears, I've seen lynx as, cougars, you
Speaker 2: name it. You still have this sense of we are
Speaker 2: the apex predator, we are the big thing out there
Speaker 2: in the wood. Sure, it's still spooking at knights in
Speaker 2: the woods. I'm not going to discredit that. But to
Speaker 2: see something else that has a sense of force or
Speaker 2: nature that the stories and everything from First Nations cave
Speaker 2: drawings projects. To have that acknowledgment and be able to
Speaker 2: see them, and even if it's just a simple shadow
Speaker 2: of seeing it on the trail or something that Okay,
Speaker 2: you guys are out here, that's good, That'd be all
Speaker 2: I would need to do. To hang up the research
Speaker 2: and call it a day, to be honest for myself,
Speaker 2: now what I love to get more experience from that.
Speaker 2: Oh of course I'm not seeing that by any means,
Speaker 2: But to have that essentially knowledge that there's something out
Speaker 2: there that is a lot bigger than we think and
Speaker 2: more intelligent than we believe, would be awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, man.
Speaker 4: When I had my experiences two summers ago, we're now
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six, so yeah, sum are twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four and I had my experiences out in Washington State.
Speaker 4: It changed my world. It changed my view about everything
Speaker 4: I thought I knew about the woods. It changed the
Speaker 4: way that I approached this subject, how much I care
Speaker 4: about whether or not they're discovered. I used to tell
Speaker 4: myself it was all about discovery, but I think deep
Speaker 4: down it was honestly more selfish for me. I just
Speaker 4: wanted to know for sure that they were real, and
Speaker 4: that would have done it for me even if I
Speaker 4: didn't have my own encounters or experiences with them. So
Speaker 4: I think that's why I was always harping on I
Speaker 4: want these things discovered by science. I want to know
Speaker 4: these answers. But it was really just selfishly. I want
Speaker 4: to know if they're real, and I had to see
Speaker 4: them to believe it. And now that I've done that,
Speaker 4: I have completely shifted my thought process about discovery. Just
Speaker 4: like you said, we typically don't do anything great for
Speaker 4: anything we discovered.
Speaker 1: Now we have.
Speaker 4: We've brought species back from brink of extinction. I'm not
Speaker 4: discrediting that at all. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out
Speaker 4: to see will be right back after these messages. But
Speaker 4: typically when humans get involved with anything, whether it's involving
Speaker 4: other humans or animals, it usually turns out to be
Speaker 4: a shit show. And I just don't think they need
Speaker 4: us if they've survived this long. And that is the
Speaker 4: dichotomy that I deal with in my own brain is, Yeah,
Speaker 4: if we discovered them, could it go badly?
Speaker 1: Yes? But they also.
Speaker 4: Could be on the brink of extinction and we could
Speaker 4: help there. So it is that tiny tug for me
Speaker 4: that keeps me going back to maybe I should push
Speaker 4: for discovery more, but honestly, I don't know that'll ever happen.
Speaker 2: There's such a gray area with what would happen if
Speaker 2: they were is the issue too? Is would sport hunting
Speaker 2: become a thing? Would protection become a thing? Like we
Speaker 2: don't have a guarantee on what would actually happen if
Speaker 2: they were discovered. What the government wants to protect them
Speaker 2: as a species, would they want to labelism as endangered?
Speaker 2: We don't know what would happen there. And I think
Speaker 2: that's the scary part about it one hundred percent. And
Speaker 2: I think the.
Speaker 4: Other thing that people don't really think about it and
Speaker 4: I haven't relieven sussed this out of my own brain,
Speaker 4: but if you think about it, what would happen to
Speaker 4: anyone who claimed to have sasquatch on their personal property?
Speaker 4: If these things are discovered by science and there's laws
Speaker 4: enacted to protect them. How would that affect me as
Speaker 4: a private landowner who has cast footprints on my property?
Speaker 4: Does it now become a sanctuary for bigfoot and I
Speaker 4: have to move away somewhere else? Is the government going
Speaker 4: to come run me off my own property? That sounds
Speaker 4: far fetched, and it may sound crazy to some people, going, ah,
Speaker 4: that's bullshit, that never happened.
Speaker 1: Stranger things have happened.
Speaker 4: I do a history podcast called Disturbing History, and I
Speaker 4: talk about some of the crazy shit that we've done
Speaker 4: in America over the years. Two people that we're supposed
Speaker 4: to be protecting that are our citizens. It blows my mind.
Speaker 4: So I am always thinking about those kind of things.
Speaker 4: Not that I have any answers, but did you have
Speaker 4: more questions that you wanted to throw at me before
Speaker 4: we wrap it up?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have two, which honestly it might end up
Speaker 2: leading into maybe has to do another callity if you're open.
Speaker 2: But I guess one question I did have is I
Speaker 2: guess the future of where technology and everything like that
Speaker 2: is going today? Via Chernes, Do you think that discovery
Speaker 2: portion of this subject is going to get a little
Speaker 2: bit more tainted with interesting fake images potential real images.
Speaker 2: Where do you think that this could possibly lead to
Speaker 2: in the future of things?
Speaker 4: I think if you asked me that three years ago,
Speaker 4: I would have had a completely different answer. But at
Speaker 4: this point I've talked about drones before. I have two
Speaker 4: drones of my own. Todd has a fifteen thousand dollars
Speaker 4: thermal drone that we put up several times while I
Speaker 4: was up in Radium. It's a cool last piece of
Speaker 4: equipment to have. We zoned in and saw deer bedded down.
Speaker 4: We saw all kinds of cool things, but no sasquatch.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I was there in October, so most of the leaves
Speaker 4: had fallen, but it's so dense in certain areas. Drones
Speaker 4: just aren't as effective as people think they are. I've
Speaker 4: put my drone up here over our property before to
Speaker 4: give people the lay of the land, because I've had
Speaker 4: people saying, oh, how remote.
Speaker 1: Are you really? You always say a very remote, but
Speaker 1: I don't believe you are.
Speaker 4: So I put the drone up a couple hundred feet
Speaker 4: into a three sixty to just show people what we're
Speaker 4: dealing with around the property. But you can't see anything
Speaker 4: on the ground. One of the shots that's all my
Speaker 4: social media now. I put it out there in a
Speaker 4: couple of places. I think last year, maybe around this
Speaker 4: time last year, I hiked up on a beautiful day,
Speaker 4: leaves were down. I take the drone off in a
Speaker 4: spot that I'm at. I get fifty feet in the air.
Speaker 4: You can't even see me, and I'm directly into the
Speaker 4: drone fifty feet There's no way you could see me.
Speaker 4: And I'm standing there in jeans and a flannel shirt. Right, So,
Speaker 4: if I'm a Sasquatch, there's no way you're gonna see me.
Speaker 4: It's just impossible. But even then, three years ago, four
Speaker 4: years ago, I was maybe looking into the possibility of
Speaker 4: how drones can help. I still think they're a great too.
Speaker 4: I use them more for reconnaissance. If I'm going into
Speaker 4: an area, I put the drone up to say, hey,
Speaker 4: I want to go in that direction. Let's go east.
Speaker 4: It looks like it's a little more easy to get through.
Speaker 4: It's a little less thick, that looks like a cool
Speaker 4: area or whatever. I bring the drone down and then
Speaker 4: we just walk. But with AI, I don't believe anything
Speaker 4: I see anywhere anymore. I saw a video yesterday on Instagram.
Speaker 4: I think it was Kim John Oung and Donald Trump
Speaker 4: and the car together listening to rap music driving down
Speaker 4: the highway.
Speaker 1: I don't think that happened.
Speaker 2: We saw one about twenty minutes before hopping on this
Speaker 2: call with you today. I had opened it myself and
Speaker 2: I had scrolled and there was big foot walking through
Speaker 2: the trees and it looked like it was some eight
Speaker 2: thing was on all floors stood up clearly tell just
Speaker 2: because of like how the hand changed behind a tree randomly.
Speaker 2: It's ai for shits and giggles, hoping the comments to
Speaker 2: look and the amount of people that think that stuff
Speaker 2: is real blows my mind. It scares me. It does
Speaker 2: genuinely scared what people will believe nowadays.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tidd did it with an image that I saw
Speaker 4: floating around. I had to come in on a couple
Speaker 4: of days ago. Somebody posted it in one of the
Speaker 4: Facebook groups. Todd did a couple of videos about it.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 4: The guy who took the steal from alleged video sent
Speaker 4: him this steal photograph of what looked to be a sasquatch,
Speaker 4: And as soon as I looked at it, you glance
Speaker 4: at it. I was like, oh shit, that looks really cool.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, you spend maybe ten seconds. There's a superimposed
Speaker 4: face in the mountain of what looks like another sasquatch.
Speaker 4: Early on, especially when I started using some of the
Speaker 4: technology I used to create the thumbnails and the images
Speaker 4: that I used for the podcast in AI, you would
Speaker 4: get that as an artifact in early versions of all
Speaker 4: of these things. It's not perfect AI, unfortunately at this
Speaker 4: point is definitely not perfect.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's ever going to be. You get
Speaker 4: those little anomalies it used to be with the hands
Speaker 4: and feet. They fixed a lot of that stuff. They've
Speaker 4: debugged a lot of that. You used to cold tell
Speaker 4: everything had seven fingers. If it was supposed to be
Speaker 4: a person and it's got seven fingers, that's probably not
Speaker 4: a real person. But that has gotten so much better now.
Speaker 4: But that sort of anomaly, this face in the side
Speaker 4: of the mountain, it was superimposed, like from the image
Speaker 4: that it created of this thing that actually had a
Speaker 4: body that basically like a silver backed gorilla walking on
Speaker 4: this dirt path. And Todd went into this big He
Speaker 4: got a couple of videos out of it. I'm sure
Speaker 4: he made a couple of thousand bucks off of his
Speaker 4: YouTube channel. From these videos, he got what he wanted,
Speaker 4: but he eventually said, hey, I looked at this closer.
Speaker 4: It does appear that it's AI.
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, no, shit, Sherlock. I mean, oh,
Speaker 4: it took you long enough. Thank you Todd for the
Speaker 4: stowing a few hours on all of us who are
Speaker 4: less fortunate to figure out that this was an AI photograph.
Speaker 4: But at this point I don't believe anything because so
Speaker 4: many people are getting so good at creating these images.
Speaker 4: I just got to the point. I guess it was
Speaker 4: sometime last year. I just stopped looking at anything anybody posts,
Speaker 4: as far as a photograph or a video. I don't
Speaker 4: care anymore. And it's so sad. Yeah, because we're gonna
Speaker 4: miss something. I guarantee you we're going to miss something.
Speaker 4: Because of that, somebody's gonna get the money shot, they're
Speaker 4: gonna get the smoking gun, and it's never going to
Speaker 4: gain interaction because everybody's gonna claim it's AI, no matter
Speaker 4: what they do to prove otherwise. I just think that's
Speaker 4: unfortunately where we're at.
Speaker 2: I could go out tomorrow and hypothetically take a photo
Speaker 2: and somebody could claim that it was an aim not
Speaker 2: thinking whatever happened. I don't live anywhere close enough I
Speaker 2: don't think right now to be able to just do
Speaker 2: my backyard. But that's the reality of the situation one
Speaker 2: hundred percent, which actually led me to somewhat of a
Speaker 2: follow up question, doesn't it involve AI? But I noticed
Speaker 2: you've obviously heard of like the Missing four.
Speaker 1: One one, right, yes, of course.
Speaker 2: Have you gotten to see the new I guess clip
Speaker 2: yet that is made by the director of the Missing
Speaker 2: four one one, the Missing four one one Bigfoot or
Speaker 2: something like that. I haven't personally gotten to see it yet,
Speaker 2: But I was wondering if you looked into the Missing
Speaker 2: four one hun did that documentary that they just came
Speaker 2: out with this year, and what your thought on were that.
Speaker 4: I have not seen the new one. I have seen
Speaker 4: the previous Missing for one one documentaries.
Speaker 2: Okay, And well, what's your opinion on those stories? I
Speaker 2: think they're interesting, Okay, Okay, if I take it, that's
Speaker 2: as far as I want to go, which is all right.
Speaker 4: I definitely have my opinions. I tell people when it
Speaker 4: comes to those things, do.
Speaker 1: Your own research.
Speaker 4: If you're into a content creator, no matter what that
Speaker 4: content creator is creating you. In my opinion, people are different,
Speaker 4: but I like to know a little bit about the
Speaker 4: people if I'm digesting their content, I want to go
Speaker 4: a little bit deeper than just the surface level. I
Speaker 4: want to actually see what this person's about. I want
Speaker 4: to go a little bit further, and I encourage everybody
Speaker 4: to do that with me. Anybody that's in this business
Speaker 4: that's putting content out, just dig a little further, scratch
Speaker 4: a little farther than the surface, and you may be
Speaker 4: surprised what you find.
Speaker 2: One hundred set And I think that's exactly part of
Speaker 2: the reason why I reached out to you guys initially too,
Speaker 2: is like I have been looking at this subject for
Speaker 2: a long time. But then after looking into what you
Speaker 2: say and even how you talk to your guests, and
Speaker 2: I guess, like how open minded you are, but also
Speaker 2: you take everything with a grain of salt, and I
Speaker 2: respect that it's something that is needed more in this community.
Speaker 2: If you ask me, I guess that made me to
Speaker 2: my I guess final question is like, what do you
Speaker 2: wish that sealed based guests understood before coming onto a
Speaker 2: show like yours.
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 4: I guess what I would want them to understand is
Speaker 4: just be honest about what you're finding. I think that
Speaker 4: is the only thing that I would really want people
Speaker 4: to take away from anything I say, is just be
Speaker 4: honest about what you're finding. Don't conflate, don't inflate, don't
Speaker 4: make things up. It doesn't have to be a big
Speaker 4: sexy encounter. I have this conversation with people all the time.
Speaker 1: People love the show.
Speaker 4: They'll reach out, they send us emails daily and they'll
Speaker 4: say something like, Hey, I had this weird thing happen
Speaker 4: to me when I was sixteen in.
Speaker 1: The woods or whatever.
Speaker 4: And we always say, Hey, you want to come on
Speaker 4: the show and talk about it.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think it's important enough for people to hear.
Speaker 4: I don't think it would be a full episode. It
Speaker 4: doesn't matter to me. I just want the information. I
Speaker 4: want to know what happened to you, and let everybody
Speaker 4: who listens decide where they think that goes. They have
Speaker 4: their boxes, they can put that in, Hey, that guy
Speaker 4: had an experience with Bigfoot, or I think that was
Speaker 4: a bayer whatever.
Speaker 1: That's what it's really about.
Speaker 4: But the key is just being open and honest and
Speaker 4: being open minded. I think that's the biggest thing. If
Speaker 4: you're honest and you report what you hear, you report
Speaker 4: what you find, and you're open minded about the fact that, hey,
Speaker 4: there could be more to these things. We could be
Speaker 4: dealing with something we really don't know. I've always been
Speaker 4: a flesh and blood guy, probably always will be. But
Speaker 4: you can't talk to as many people as I've talked
Speaker 4: to over the years and not say, man, that's some
Speaker 4: weird shit. There is something going on. If these people
Speaker 4: aren't batshit crazy, if they aren't making up their encounters
Speaker 4: whole cloth, and they're telling me the truth about what
Speaker 4: happened to them, I have to be open minded to
Speaker 4: the fact that there may be something more to this
Speaker 4: than I ever thought that I would see or experience
Speaker 4: or could be possible. So yeah, I think if you're
Speaker 4: doing field research, just be honest and be open minded.
Speaker 4: I think if you do those two things, you'll never
Speaker 4: go wrong. And that's just in life in general. I
Speaker 4: think if you're open minded to different experiences and different people,
Speaker 4: and you're honest about your own experiences and what's going
Speaker 4: on with you, to a point at least I know
Speaker 4: everybody's not very public with their life and that kind
Speaker 4: of thing. I still struggle with it to this day.
Speaker 4: I wrote two books last year. If they haven't been
Speaker 4: published yet, they're not out in book form, but I'm
Speaker 4: doing them now on the show. One of the books
Speaker 4: that I wrote is loosely based on my life, my
Speaker 4: early life, my childhood. There's a lot of trauma there
Speaker 4: that I had to get out on paper, and it's
Speaker 4: a very difficult thing to put that out there for people.
Speaker 1: So it's very.
Speaker 4: Similar in a way to me asking people to come
Speaker 4: on the show and tell about some of their most
Speaker 4: traumatic experiences. I ei, their big foot encounter. Some of
Speaker 4: these things are very traumatic for people, and they have
Speaker 4: really deeply rooted PTSD.
Speaker 1: And other things going on.
Speaker 4: So anytime you put yourself out there with your experiences,
Speaker 4: no matter what it is and when it happened, it's
Speaker 4: difficult for people. But I think you have to be honest.
Speaker 4: I could have written the book in a different way.
Speaker 4: The rest of the book turns into a fictional story.
Speaker 4: I think it's a really good story, but those first
Speaker 4: few chapters are real shit. It's me, it's my family,
Speaker 4: it's my experience, it's my life and that's a difficult
Speaker 4: thing to.
Speaker 1: Put out there for people.
Speaker 4: But I would be so disingenuous if I didn't do
Speaker 4: it that way. I can't sit it behind the microphone,
Speaker 4: ask people to come bear their souls with me, and
Speaker 4: then me hide something about myself and my book. It
Speaker 4: just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: I had thrown on Your Christmas about Soorn. My girlfriend
Speaker 2: was listening to it, and she had even mentioned something
Speaker 2: to me. I know this is fiction, bro. What if
Speaker 2: there's trickles of information in here? You know? What if
Speaker 2: this was like an experience that he had at some
Speaker 2: point that he's explaining but adding some fiction to it.
Speaker 2: It's very possible. And I like that approach, which and
Speaker 2: I'm excited for both those books.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other one is The Bigfoot Journals.
Speaker 4: I think I've finally put all five episodes of The
Speaker 4: Bigfoot Journals out there. I am going to turn that
Speaker 4: into a book. I think it's a really cool story.
Speaker 4: People have asked me about Thorn, they've asked about the
Speaker 4: Christmas story. I got a couple of emails this week,
Speaker 4: people asking me if we can do a check in
Speaker 4: with Thorn and the kids. Maybe if they're still interacting
Speaker 4: on summer vacation. If the family maybe goes back to
Speaker 4: the cabin before this coming Christmas in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: I don't know that kids have kids.
Speaker 4: You never know what might happen. Thorn might have had
Speaker 4: a kid. Maybe somehow Thorn is involved with Coda from
Speaker 4: Coda's artist.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see what We'll know. Everything's connected, right,
Speaker 1: Everything's connected.
Speaker 2: No. I love it, man, I love it. And the
Speaker 2: thing I loved to you is I have appreciate that
Speaker 2: you've created a space for people to be able to
Speaker 2: talk about this responsibil My goal is really to contribute
Speaker 2: to something grounded, even over time. I don't want to
Speaker 2: be able to just tell a story. I'd love to
Speaker 2: be able to tell a couple of stories in the future.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know
Speaker 2: where it'll lead, but I'm open to the subject of it.
Speaker 2: And that's what I tell everybody, even new friends I
Speaker 2: bring into the woods, is now, I'm not going out
Speaker 2: there being like, oh, you got to be careful, a
Speaker 2: little bit flutter. But I go out and when I
Speaker 2: tell them, they hey, go out respect. The woods have
Speaker 2: an open mind of everything you're going to see, because
Speaker 2: you'll maybe see deer, you'll see bear, you'll see moose.
Speaker 2: You're just going to see an entirely different perspective of life,
Speaker 2: and you don't know what will ever happen out there.
Speaker 1: That is the perfect way to end it.
Speaker 4: Man. That is the thing that everybody needs to take
Speaker 4: away from this. If you're able, if you're interested, just
Speaker 4: get off the couch, turn Netflix off, and go take
Speaker 4: a walk in the woods. Be mindful, be careful out there.
Speaker 4: There are things out there like mountain lions. Depending on
Speaker 4: where you're living, there may be bears. Take a gun
Speaker 4: with you, Be careful, keep your head on the swivel.
Speaker 4: But get out and enjoy nature. That is the ultimate
Speaker 4: thing about big footing. If it gets you off the
Speaker 4: couch and gets you out into nature where you're breathing
Speaker 4: fresh air and you're taking a hike and you're getting
Speaker 4: your steps in. If that's the worst thing that happens
Speaker 4: to a big footer, I think we're gonna have a
Speaker 4: good day. Look, man, I really appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 4: I've had a blast talking to you all.
Speaker 2: I have a blast talk with you as well. My man,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Love to be on. In the future,
Speaker 2: they say.
Speaker 3: You don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. I
Speaker 3: don't want to feel world out that job, this job,
Speaker 3: try everything. Call it right, looking back, joy for me, joy,
Speaker 3: staying right. You call it run away. Still, stay side step,
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