WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:03.759 Disclaimer. We'd like to know before the start of this 2 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:06.360 interview that the opinions about to be expressed by the 3 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:09.519 guest of tonight's Getting Salty Experience Podcast are that of 4 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:12.519 the guest and do not directly or necessarily reflect the 5 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:29.920 views of the host of the Getting Salty Experience Podcast. 6 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:34.200 You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience Podcast. 7 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:46.000 Hello, no Mike Milner in the chat. Welcome back to 8 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.880 the Getting Salty Experience Podcast, the only one that brings 9 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:52.600 the fly house, kitchen table, guys like Frank Leeb Billity 10 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:56.880 with the mustache and mister Chris Stewart to you flyout 11 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:59.560 kitchen table and everything that goes with it. Ruffy, Ruffy, 12 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:03.119 the new ship saved up young looking baby face. 13 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:07.480 Well just as God does. 14 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:10.560 Oh what he sounds waiting to see if somebody else 15 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:10.959 said something. 16 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:15.319 You know what I think, Gods. I think he was 17 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:17.079 at death Store and it's like, I gotta do something 18 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:18.439 to make myself feel younger. 19 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:18.599 Bro. 20 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:20.599 He was knocking on the grim Reaper was ready to 21 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.480 let him in and let me go get my bead 22 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.400 shaved up so I look young again, to feel better. 23 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:32.680 All right, I feel great, I feel great, excellent, feeling good, baby. 24 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:35.079 So not as good as leave, not as good as 25 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:35.799 the Chief, but I. 26 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:40.040 Feel nobody ever feels good as Chief going for himself. 27 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:44.680 We got Billy with the mustache year right, Guns. 28 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:45.239 Yes, we do. 29 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:58.359 You anyway, so. 30 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:00.400 Keep going. 31 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:04.640 I made made a much special push button just for you, 32 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:05.480 just for him. 33 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.159 You got his own push button. We'll like to welcome 34 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:13.080 the Chief, Chris Stewart to the show Phoenix Blazing Hot Arizona, 35 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:15.759 and we're gonna talk about two more flies that you 36 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:16.719 must know, right. 37 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:20.840 Mister one hundred and twenty two degrees, mister, he's mister heat. 38 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:22.439 I wanted to done good over there. Cool. 39 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:25.400 Oh my god, No, he's not. 40 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:29.000 I don't know if anybody does. He's not good. I 41 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:33.639 wanted no good thing. I came are good idea? 42 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:36.960 Yeah, well, what commercial we got to play today? Guns? 43 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.560 We only have armitect Armata. 44 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.080 And we have the this this other one that you 45 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:45.280 know our guests in the corner would like to share 46 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:45.680 with us. 47 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:48.319 Okay, let's get it go. We'll play that one. 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Before we get started, though, I think 86 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:42.720 we definitely have to take a moment of silence please 87 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:45.639 for the souls and the families of the people that 88 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.519 were lost in that horrific plane. Chris, Sophie, don't mind. 89 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:58.199 Let's take a brief moment of silence. Amen, guys. Well, 90 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.360 with that guns, we need to get Patriot and then 91 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.720 we're gonna dive right into Chief Stewart's fire. 92 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:05.759 All right, So here we go. 93 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:12.920 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 94 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:17.439 of America and to the Republic, for which it stands, 95 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:25.560 one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 96 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:37.920 As you guys know, this is where we get this 97 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:40.240 from thirty five. As you must know, Billy Golf out 98 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:44.480 of Frank Leeb and friends. You guys will be at Indie, right, 99 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.199 They're gonna try to do something there when we get 100 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:48.360 as many guys from the book as possible to come in. 101 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:50.480 I believe, right. We don't have a time or a 102 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:52.079 date yet, right, guys. 103 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:54.879 I'm gonna have a book signing, and as soon as 104 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:56.800 we know the date, we'll get it to you guys, 105 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:57.519 I know you'll be. 106 00:05:57.519 --> 00:05:59.600 There, and Louis will be there. 107 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:02.199 Yep, we should have. We're hoping at least half the 108 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:03.600 contributors will be there. 109 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:07.199 So awesome, And how's the book sell going. They're still 110 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:07.879 flying off the. 111 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:13.240 Shelves, that's what they're telling Frank and I. They're astounded. 112 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:17.360 I mean, when we came up with the idea, like 113 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:18.720 we told you in the previous show, it was kind 114 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:19.319 of a no brainer. 115 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:21.439 So We're glad it's taken off, you. 116 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:26.279 Know, and a lot on Amazon correct, Yeah, Amazon, Fire 117 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:30.680 Engineering books and wherever you wherever good books are sold as. 118 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:35.639 This and this is a great Yeah. So let's get 119 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.199 anybody else before we dive into the chief story here. 120 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:40.680 I believe it's a supermarket fire correct number eight. 121 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.560 Yeah, yeah, Frank, And I can just do a little intro, 122 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:45.800 is that? 123 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:46.360 Yeah? 124 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:47.680 Absolutely, that's what I'm saying. 125 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.439 I mean, I'll give it to you from my perspective 126 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:55.439 as a subourbon fire guy. This is the fire that 127 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:58.759 we really realized that we can pretend all day long 128 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:00.720 we're going to be a fast team or rit team. 129 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:05.560 But until we saw this fire, we saw the challenges. 130 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:07.839 Phoenix went to him back then when it was Bruno 131 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:09.480 and Don Abbott, and then. 132 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.839 They did all these studies afterwards to truly see what 133 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.920 does it take and what was a wake up call? 134 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:20.800 It really was Brett Tarbor who did this fire. It 135 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:24.160 was a horrible, horrible fire, but this one made us 136 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:29.839 rethink what rapid antervention, what fast teams are. Large area search, 137 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.759 at least in my generation, was like, hey, wake up, 138 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:35.639 you got three knuckle AADs outside the building. That's not 139 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:36.399 a fast team. 140 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:38.639 They got to be trained, They gotta understand what they 141 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:41.319 get into, and I think that really woke up. 142 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:42.040 A lot of them. 143 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:42.839 So Frank. 144 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:45.279 Yeah, I think. 145 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:48.120 Just to add on, I'm going to talk a little 146 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.199 bit about a person who wrote the chapter on this. 147 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:57.040 A really great, great fire ups to firefighter. 148 00:07:57.160 --> 00:07:57.480 Know him. 149 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:01.680 I've known him now for several year. He's the real deal. 150 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.199 I'm happy that you contributed to this, and I. 151 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:11.000 Know you're you worked under under Brunosini, so as they say, right, 152 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.959 you're a disciple, and I know you have a lot 153 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:16.240 of really good insight and you shared it in the book. 154 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:19.560 We appreciative it at and we'll dive right into it. 155 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:21.920 But just before you do it, I just want to 156 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:24.800 make a quick mention that fire number five in the 157 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:30.079 book was the telephone fire, and we're approaching the fiftieth 158 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:33.120 anniversary of that. I know I'm on the show a lot, 159 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:35.799 but I don't think i'll be on before the fiftieth anniversary, 160 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.360 So I just want to to just bring the awayness 161 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:42.759 that February twenty seventh will be the fiftieth anniversary of 162 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.919 that fire. So just keep all the responders their families 163 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:49.360 and the generational impact that incidents have. 164 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:54.399 That is certainly a classic example of it. But Chris, 165 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:55.960 it's all yours. Thank you, my brother. 166 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.200 And just to add out to that quick, Chief, we 167 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.480 did a show with Danny Newton and on the telephone 168 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:03.360 far so if you want to go back and check 169 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.799 it out and learn what it's all about, I employee 170 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:08.919 you go back and take a look at that. 171 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.120 It's the guy too, Dan, He just passed away a 172 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.840 little while ago, but he was like the main guy 173 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:17.159 who kind of brought that to the forefront. And then 174 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:19.000 he worked with Chief Leave at the Rock and they 175 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.879 got that all squared away. So that was a really 176 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:22.600 special thing. 177 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:29.000 So all right, Chief Stewart, have at it, buddy. 178 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:30.279 Well, thank you. 179 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.759 I appreciate the opportunity to be on here. And it 180 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:36.919 was pretty fantastic to be able to participate in this book. 181 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:40.480 Obviously the book means something, right, if it's if it's 182 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:43.240 if it's flying off the shelves and firing and engineering 183 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.080 is having a hard time keeping up with the distribution 184 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.039 and the printing of it. That's that's a fantastic thing. 185 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:54.120 And and especially since it's benefiting the charities that you guys. 186 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:54.919 Picked to do that. 187 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.360 That's that's outstanding, and it's and it's legit. And I'll 188 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.440 just say in the class I was doing and last 189 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:04.840 week in Hamilton County there just outside of Cincinnati, we 190 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:08.519 used the book to as as part of the class, 191 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:10.440 and we pulled ten of the fires out of there 192 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:13.080 and and had and broke that. There was about one 193 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:15.240 hundred students and broke them up into groups and had 194 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:17.600 them go through it, and we started talking about all 195 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.440 the things that we were seeing, some consistencies we were 196 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:23.679 seeing across these the fires that we had selected, and 197 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:26.679 and and just making sure that the students become aware 198 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.879 of it. So, man, the book's fantastic, and I'm I'm 199 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:32.039 pretty honored and kind of amazed that I'll get to 200 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:35.639 be a part of it. So I appreciate that the 201 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.000 fire I wrote about and liked to talk about as 202 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:42.320 the Southwest Supermarket fire happened March fourteenth, two thousand and 203 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:47.559 one here in the city of Phoenix, and really the 204 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:52.559 result of the fire cost Brett firefighter Brett Tarvor, his life. 205 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:55.519 But there there was there were two other firefighters that 206 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:59.519 came out of the building and respiratory arrest and luckily 207 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:01.759 they they were, they were able to get them back 208 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:04.799 and uh and actually both of those guys came back 209 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:07.200 to work and one of them, one of them recently 210 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:11.600 passed from uh you know, long long term illness, but 211 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.159 he was able to work quite a long quite a 212 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:18.200 long time. So uh yeah, so it it it like 213 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:21.799 all these fires do impacted more than just the folks 214 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:26.320 that you know, that that they're remembered for. And that's 215 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:29.120 that's a picture of Brett right there. Brett and I 216 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:31.720 were actually kind of the same generation the Phoenix Fire Department. 217 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.240 He was the class right after me. Uh so we 218 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.279 we came on together and kind of were working our 219 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:38.480 way through the system together. 220 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:39.039 Uh. 221 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:43.039 Fantastic firefighter. And one of the parts of the story, 222 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:45.840 he's a big giant man. He's about six five and weighed, 223 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.320 you know, two hundred and seventy five pounds. So it 224 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:51.120 was that didn't that didn't help getting him out of 225 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:53.480 the building, right. I wanted him at every fire I 226 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:56.240 went to, but when we were trying to when when 227 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.559 the crews were trying to move him, and that that 228 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.639 that made it for a challenge. So this fire was 229 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:05.639 in a grocery store kind of an old community grocery 230 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.879 store in the southwest part of Phoenix had been there 231 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:12.679 since the fifties, which, by the way, in the city 232 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:15.240 of Phoenix is old. I realized, we live in a 233 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:19.320 pretty new city and most most everybody, at least you 234 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:22.399 guys that participate in here, know about old cities. We 235 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:25.320 really don't. So this is an old building to us. 236 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:27.759 And and actually thankfully it was an old building for 237 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:32.799 us because it tolerated more fire conditions than any of 238 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:37.480 the modern construction would tolerate these days here in Phoenix. 239 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:44.399 So this, this grocery store had basically an anchor store 240 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:47.840 and a very small strip center. There were three other occupancies. 241 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:50.559 They're connected to it. The kind of in the grocery 242 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:54.399 cart kind of surrounded these two other occupancies. There had 243 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:57.320 been a kid who had been arrested in the store 244 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:01.840 for shoplifting a few days earlier, and he was he 245 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.360 was kind of pissed, and so he came back and 246 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:07.480 lit the the trash and the cardboard boxes and stuff 247 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:10.879 back on the loading dock on fire. And this all 248 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:16.320 came out in the investigation and and and whatnot after 249 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:21.440 after the incident. So, uh, the first du engine is 250 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.080 actually out. They're they're they're down at the shop getting 251 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:29.840 getting something fixed. They dispatch a still assignment, which is 252 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:34.559 one engine for us in this system. And uh, and 253 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:39.320 so the second deuce headed in there, the first new 254 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:42.000 engine and the first new battalion chief actually see a 255 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:45.559 column of smoke, you know, they're they're they're headed back 256 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:48.879 into the neighborhood and uh, they start heading there and 257 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.200 then it quickly gets upgraded as as the smoke starts 258 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:56.200 to grow. So this building, uh, the way it's situated, 259 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:01.279 it's facing east in in Phoenix, it's not well. The 260 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:06.120 commonality the common weather pattern here is in the afternoons 261 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:09.840 we get winds out of the west and uh, and 262 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.080 this happened to be one of those days where we 263 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:16.440 had some more significant winds. So as you can see 264 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:19.759 here on the on the left hand side where those 265 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.399 where those power polls are, that's the loading dock area 266 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:25.759 where the fire was started. That also happened to be 267 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.519 the windward side of the building. There's a roll up 268 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:31.039 door there, there's a couple of man doors, and there's 269 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:36.120 also some events that that lead into that back storage 270 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:40.279 area of the grocery store. So so Engine twenty four 271 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:45.480 shows up, They stretch lines back there. They've got lines 272 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.559 and power lines had dropped down in there, so they 273 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.399 had some arcing, so they were they were really kind 274 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:53.759 of slowed down actually being able to get back there 275 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:57.440 and get water on the fire. The fire burns for 276 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:01.120 a little bit, uh, the wind is down definitely impacting it, 277 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.279 and it extends up into the trust loft there above 278 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:08.399 the storage area and then starts working its way across 279 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:14.840 the attic space of that building. So when Engine fourteen arrives, 280 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:17.799 they show up with actually a couple other engines right 281 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:21.720 on their heels, and they go to work trying to 282 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:25.000 figure out exactly where the fire is. Some of the 283 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:28.080 second and third new company wasn't as familiar with the 284 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:32.679 building as the first new crews were, and they went 285 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:35.639 into these other occupants he here on the Alpha bra 286 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.039 Alpha Bravo corner, thinking that they would take them back 287 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:41.279 to where the fire is. They realized that those were 288 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:44.600 separated from all the other spaces in the grocery store, 289 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:46.759 so they actually had to come out and then make 290 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.200 their way into the grocery store itself. 291 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:54.399 Stretch of hold on Chief one second, so the building 292 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.000 on the left in that left corner that has the roof. 293 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:01.200 That's separate occupantcy. That's why roof is still intact there. 294 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:03.320 Exactly. They don't communicate at all. 295 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:06.879 There's no entrances into the store exactly. It's an old 296 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.080 Hase hardware It was a clothing store and a beauty 297 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:14.440 shop in there. And yeah, they don't have any connection 298 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:16.159 into the grocery store at all. 299 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:21.159 Okay, problem they went in there first, obviously. 300 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:27.320 Yeah, absolutely, So Battalion Chief arrives, he he, he initiates, 301 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:31.559 or he takes command from Engine twenty four, starts directing 302 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:34.480 companies and trying to figure out exactly where where this 303 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:36.600 fire is and where the best way is we're going 304 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:40.679 to be able to get to it. Engine twenty four 305 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:44.480 stretches in through the front door, and while they're in there, 306 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:49.320 they're starting to look for the fire above them. So 307 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:52.120 this is two thousand and one. This is pre tip cameras. 308 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:54.720 This is before you know, a lot of the a 309 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:57.320 lot of the better technology that we have now. And 310 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:00.639 it's also happens to be before we had a lot 311 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:05.640 of information about fire behavior and and wind and a 312 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.440 lot of the other conditions that really really you know, 313 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:13.559 kicked our tail this day. And so while they're back 314 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:17.079 there trying to locate the fire. They come to a 315 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:22.279 spot there they get lines charged on the inside and 316 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:25.160 they start trying to get water up into that trust 317 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:29.599 loft in the back. They're having a difficult time getting 318 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:30.240 water in there. 319 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:31.160 They're trying to. 320 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:34.559 Find the space, the space where they can actually get 321 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:38.599 to the fire. They were talking about like twenty to 322 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:42.400 twenty five foot ceilings in there. We've got steel Joy's 323 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:48.519 trusses up there, and then there is those openings on 324 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.440 the windward side. The wind is starting to pick up, 325 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:53.640 and the wind's starting to you know, kind of severely 326 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:57.839 impact the fire behavior inside that building, and the conditions 327 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:01.440 are starting to get worse and worse, and to the 328 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:05.000 point where the guys that are working in there say, 329 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:09.400 literally within thirty seconds, it goes from being able to see, 330 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:12.160 you know, a fair distance through that grocery store to 331 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:16.160 smoke smoke to the floor and they're having a difficult 332 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:19.519 time seeing their feet. And at that point they had 333 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.000 been functioning in there, working in there a little while 334 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.160 and recognized, hey, we're not getting this. Conditions are not 335 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.359 getting better on the outside. The incident commander decides, hey, 336 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:34.279 we're going defensive. Is this one's getting us. So as 337 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:38.680 the crews are transitioning out of the building, they have 338 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:42.519 zero visibility, they have a lot of hose line in there, 339 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:47.960 probably way too much hose line actually, and they start 340 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.240 to exit out that front side of the grocery store. 341 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.799 In that process, firefighter Brett Tarbor and firefighter side Joy, 342 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:01.119 who they're the backseat firefighters on Engine four team, they 343 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:05.000 get disoriented and get off, get up, lose contact with 344 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:09.240 their hose line, and they are like, okay, well, we 345 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.480 know how we got in here. We're gonna we think 346 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:15.160 we know which way to go, and they end up 347 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.279 heading in the wrong direction, end up running into that 348 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.319 back wall and Brett now at this point has low 349 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:27.440 air alarms going off. Uh, And Brett and Ci get separated, 350 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:32.519 and the first may day call comes out from from Brett. 351 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.200 And this really was before, you know, we were way 352 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:41.960 more proficient at calling may day's, being very very uh, 353 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.039 you know, informative, I guess it would be the right 354 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:47.839 word when you're calling may day's. And so essentially his 355 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:50.279 may day is, Hey, I'm in the back of this store, 356 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:54.240 I'm really low on air and I need some help. 357 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.440 And so at that point the crews had that had 358 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:03.119 just exited the building immediately react to that, and they 359 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:07.200 go back in. Unfortunately, they go back in and many 360 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:09.640 of them were already in the bottom half or the 361 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:16.079 bottom third of their air as well, so in uh 362 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:18.839 and so the incident commander ends up assigning some more 363 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:21.559 companies to go and try and respond to this may day, 364 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:25.319 knowing where he is and knowing what you know, from 365 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:29.480 what position he came in on. He Brett ends up 366 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:34.799 running out of air and uh he he he removes 367 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:39.640 his mask, so now he's breathing you know, super toxic air. 368 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:44.240 He's becoming very hypoxic. A couple of firefighters, i know, 369 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.079 the company officer of Engine twenty one and a couple 370 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:50.559 of other firefighters actually get a hold of Brett and 371 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:54.720 now he's behaving, you know, erradically. He's being he's combative, 372 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:57.440 and they're like, hey man, you've got to come with us, 373 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:01.400 and and he starts to come with them, crawling out 374 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:03.960 on the line, and then he pushes them away and 375 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:07.720 goes in the other direction. So he's not he's you know, 376 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:13.119 he's now so you know, confused because of the environment 377 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:17.519 that he's he's not able to help himself and and 378 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:22.279 by the time they locate him again, he's unconscious. He 379 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.480 actually does not have his uh uh, he doesn't have 380 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:29.240 his bottle and his mask on, doesn't have his helmet on, 381 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:34.160 his jacket is half off, so he's trying to try. 382 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.960 You know, when when you're in those throws, there's no 383 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:40.680 you know, you don't make you're not making any sense 384 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:43.319 in what you're doing. So that was actually one of 385 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:45.400 the reasons why we ended up being so difficult to 386 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:50.480 remove him from the building. So over the next twenty 387 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:55.799 five minutes or so, cruse work both from the front 388 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:58.240 side and the Bravo side to get him out. They 389 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:00.759 decide that they're going to take him through the side. 390 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:02.920 It's a shorter distance to get out of the building, 391 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:06.200 but it's the back of the grocery store and a 392 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:09.039 grocery community grocery store that had just gotten you know, 393 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:12.279 their their delivery, and so the back of the store 394 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:16.640 is just stacked up with racks of soda and produce 395 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.720 and all this, so it's very very difficult to get through. 396 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:25.559 In the end, multiple multiple crews work on getting bred 397 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:29.160 out of the building. Like I said, two other firefighters 398 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.279 working on him looking for him. End up coming out 399 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:33.440 of the building in respiratory arrest because they just worked, 400 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.839 so they worked past their air, had to remove their masks, 401 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.640