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Own survivor trembled 33 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:05.439 as she pleaded with investigators. For over forty years, the 34 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.599 events of what happened at kit Chee Manitoud the night 35 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:11.560 of November seventeenth, nineteen seventy three remained a mystery to 36 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:15.280 all but a few. Then the lone survivor broke her silence. 37 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.400 Five teenage friends had driven to the park to spend 38 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:22.240 a few hours around a campfire. By morning, four had 39 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:26.560 been murdered, and only she was still alive. Gitchee Girl 40 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:29.719 Uncovered is a chilling account of the strange twists and 41 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:34.159 bizarre details discovered by an elite team of investigators under 42 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.599 intense pressure to catch the killers. After spending hundreds of 43 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:42.120 hours with the lone survivor, investigators and family members of 44 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:45.400 the slain boys, and by gaining access to court records. 45 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:49.560 Authors Phil and Sandy Hammond give the reader out what 46 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:53.560 will happen next inside story of the monstrous crime the 47 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:58.319 Shukton Midwest. They bring the reader into the deviant world 48 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.560 of the brutal killer with an up close look at 49 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:05.560 how they think and operate. The Hammond's book Getchie Girl, 50 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:08.479 the survivor's inside story of the mass murders the Shock 51 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:12.800 the Heartland, rose to become a bestseller. However, both books 52 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:14.639 were written so that they can be read in either 53 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.719 sequence or independently. The book that we're featuring this evening 54 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:22.520 is Getchy Girl Uncovered, a true story of a night 55 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.319 of mass murder and the hunt for the deranged killers, 56 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:29.479 with my special guest journalists and authors Phil and Sandy Hammond. 57 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:31.919 Welcome back to the program, and thank you very much 58 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:37.960 for agreeing to this interview Phil and Sandy Hammond. Ydan 59 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:43.400 good evening, Thank you very much for this interview. Now, 60 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:47.479 Phil and Sandy tell us a little our audience about 61 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:51.759 your connection in terms of geography to this story and 62 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:55.400 also your personal connection to this story. 63 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:00.800 See Dan. The murder took place just across yeahwall border. 64 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.039 But these were all Souit Falls, South Dakota kids, and 65 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:06.479 that's where Sandy and I grew up and were raised 66 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:09.000 and went to school. I actually went to school and 67 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:11.159 knew all the boys that lost their life that did 68 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:13.680 you managed you that night? In fact, Mike Cadres was 69 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:16.160 my childhood best friend. I lived right in the same 70 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:17.839 neighborhood with all of them very close. 71 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:21.519 As you do in the book, you take the reader 72 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:24.959 immediately and in a series of flashbacks where we go 73 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:29.360 to February thirteen, two thousand and sixteen, a Barnes and 74 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:33.639 Noble bookstore in Soux Falls, South Dakota, and Sandra Cheski 75 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.639 and yourselves tell us about this. 76 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:40.319 What happens right. 77 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.839 Sandra Chesky, the lone survivor of those Getchy managed to 78 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.160 mass murders, had been silent about what happened that night 79 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.759 for forty years. She didn't speak about it until our 80 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:54.639 first fit book came out. Getsch you girl. So we 81 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:57.439 have this book signing at Barnes and Noble and it 82 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:01.279 was a path house. Sander's mouth dropped open. She just 83 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:04.959 kept saying over and over all these years, I didn't 84 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:09.120 think anyone cared about me, but then people did. For 85 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:12.879 two to three hours, people kept coming in. They would 86 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.720 give her hugs, They'd say, I thought about you. 87 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:16.399 Over the years. 88 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:18.839 I've wandered off and on whatever happened to that girl 89 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:21.639 who survived, or I prayed for you. And women would 90 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:24.319 come up and say, I need to tell you something privately, 91 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.600 and they whisper in her ear, I was sexually assaulted, 92 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.279 and you've made me feel like I can get through 93 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:34.759 this and maybe even tell my story sometime. And Sandra 94 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:38.199 just all those years, those forty years, she thought she'd 95 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.319 been dealing and coping with what had happened. But that 96 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.439 day she realized she hadn't been. And I recall her 97 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:48.800 telling a group of people that during the trials, her 98 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:51.120 attorney gave her a good advice. He said, when we 99 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.199 go outside, there's going to be media. So whenever we 100 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:55.879 go outside, put your head down. Then all they can 101 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:58.240 give of is a shot at your forehead. And she said, 102 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:01.639 for four years, I've been walking with my head down, 103 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:05.680 And she told a few people at the end, no more. 104 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:09.079 After today, I am walking with my head up. And 105 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:13.560 she realized that by sharing her story that day. That's 106 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:17.879 when she started to heal. And we said in the 107 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.959 book the tough little girl from Gischie was back. And 108 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:22.720 we'll get to that nickname later on. 109 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:29.800 Right, let's talk about November seventeenth, nineteen seventy three, and 110 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.920 the name Getschie Girl comes from Getchie Manitou State Park. 111 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:39.040 And tell us about the friends that went along with 112 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:42.600 Sandra that faithful evening. 113 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:48.480 Okay, Dan, November seventeenth, nineteen seventy three. You know, teenagers 114 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:50.600 couldn't just pop in a CD and watch a movie 115 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:52.720 like they can today. They didn't have all the electronic 116 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.839 video games. Kids got together, they went to somebody's house, 117 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.279 went to a park, a lake, and that's what this 118 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:00.800 group of friends did. You had each year old Stuart 119 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:05.120 Baby high school senior working long hours at ups after school, 120 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:08.560 had bought his own old beat up sixty seven Chevy 121 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:12.399 band and he was a general generous one, drove everybody around. 122 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.920 Then you had seventeen year old Roger Assam, fifteen year 123 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:19.920 old Mike hadrafth fourteen year old Dana Baby that Stuart's 124 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:23.120 younger brother, and then of course Sandra Cheske, who was 125 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:25.240 thirteen at the time. A group of friends decided to 126 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.480 get together. Now kidson Manitu State Park is located about 127 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:32.439 fifteen miles east of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, just across 128 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:35.920 into the Iowa state line, and it was a popular 129 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:38.519 place where kid could go and hang out. Winding river there, 130 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.040 rock ledgers, tree, rolling hills, kind of a beautiful place. 131 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:47.079 And that November seventeenth, seventy three, November was a pretty 132 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.040 mild fall. We had good temperatures, and the kids decided 133 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:52.959 to go out there, build a fire, bring a guitar, 134 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:54.959 long and hang out for a couple hours at the 135 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.639 park that night. And so that's how that's the group 136 00:07:58.680 --> 00:07:59.519 that went out there. 137 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.759 Now you say that they scrounge enough money to get 138 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:08.399 a joint, the smoke and there was again one of 139 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:13.639 them was going to play acoustic guitar. And Sandra had 140 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.000 been dating this Roger for a little bit, you know, 141 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:19.360 again not serious dating, but they knew each other and 142 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:22.879 that was somewhat of a date that this was, this 143 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:28.600 get together was. Now while they're there, Soon after they're there, 144 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:33.279 what happens. 145 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.480 Well, you know, again, the marijuana comes into play later on, 146 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:38.559 and of course Sandra's age related to kind of dating, 147 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.480 Roger Wressom comes into play. The kids had driven around 148 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:43.480 for about two hours. The older kids thought it would 149 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:45.600 be cool to be musicians and have a little marijuana. 150 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:48.120 They finally found for me that would sell them one 151 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:51.360 join the marijuana. Vicious rumors around this murder later on, 152 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:54.639 So the kids get out to the park about nine 153 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:58.200 thirty at night in November and the Midwest, it's already dark. 154 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:02.279 So they get some firewood together, they build a fire. 155 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:05.440 So they've got this roaring fire going, and a heavy 156 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:08.840 fog starts rolling in a thick, heavy fog, and so 157 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:10.840 as the kids are kind of talking, them playing the 158 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.840 guitar and you know, just doing the teenage things, dan, 159 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:19.320 they start to hear strange noises crumpling the leaves, twigs snapping, 160 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:22.759 you know, it sounds like denim scraping on a branch, 161 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:25.840 and the kids are getting spooked. You know, it's spooky 162 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:28.600 night anyway with all the fog. But you know, they're 163 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.159 just convincing themselves it's a wild animal. But it just 164 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.759 didn't sound like a wild animal. In fact, Roger said, 165 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:36.360 probably a bear and kind of laughed. You know, in 166 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.080 the Midwest where we're at, in South Dakotin and Iowa. 167 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.120 There's no bear, so they were trying to just brush 168 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:45.440 it off. And every time they'd hear these sounds, the 169 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:47.559 kids would go quiet and listen, but then the sounds 170 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:51.759 would go quiet. Not much longer after that, all of 171 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:54.679 a sudden, three shadowy figures appeared on a rock ledge 172 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.120 about thirty yards above the campfire, and the kids look. 173 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.320 They were holding weapons. Roger some step forward and said, 174 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.080 who are you guys? What do you want? And then Dan, 175 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:06.960 with the blast of a shotgun, the night of Terror started. 176 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:13.360 As you do in the book, Sandy, you take us 177 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:21.080 back to Sandra's incredible beginning just to start, just to 178 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.840 just to illustrate, I think the beginning of a very 179 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:26.159 difficult life. 180 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:27.799 Talk about exactly. 181 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:33.440 Sandra's mother, Lolo, was walking up to the sitter's house 182 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:35.440 after work and she's going to pick up her three 183 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:39.080 boys when she goes into labor with Sandra. So this 184 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.879 sitter gets very excited. She calls this neighbor, Barbara, who 185 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:48.159 is a beloved grade school teacher, and she says, Lolo 186 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.240 just went into labor. Can you drive her to the hospital. Well, 187 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:53.919 Barbara has never met Lolo, but that can't stop her 188 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:54.559 from helping out. 189 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.039 She says, sure, I'll. 190 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:58.720 Do that, and she says to her teenage daughter Joyce, 191 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:01.320 come with me, you know, just in case. So they 192 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:04.279 drive the three minutes to the hospital. They pull up 193 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.480 and Lola says, oh no, she said, not this hospital. 194 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:09.399 I thought, you know, I had to go to Eagle Butt. 195 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:13.759 Lolo's part Native American, and so because of that, in 196 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:15.799 order to get medical care, she can only get it 197 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.039 at certain Native American hospitals. And at the time, her 198 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.600 marriage is hanging by a thread, and her husband's off. 199 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:25.440 He's not sending money. She's doing what she tend to 200 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.840 make ends need. And Barbara says, Lola, that's seventy five 201 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:32.559 miles away, and they discuss it. Lolo says, no, I 202 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:35.440 have these long labors. Trust me, I'll make it. So 203 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.440 they head off west. The only road is this old 204 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.120 car highway, and as soon as they head west, the 205 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.759 sun sets. They're just thrust into darkness and blackness except 206 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:49.960 for the headlights. They're having to constantly slow down for 207 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:53.960 deer and animals. It's a windy road and all of 208 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.720 a sudden, based on Lolo's breathing, Barbera knows that baby's 209 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.240 ready to come. She's just a very astute person. And 210 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:04.279 she tells her daughter, we're pulling over, get in the 211 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.960 back seat, and throws her a towel, and so Joyce 212 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:12.440 the daughter gets back there. Fortunately, Joyce worked as a 213 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.759 nurse's aid at the hospital, and so she had seen 214 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.120 a lot of deliveries, hadn't helped with one that had 215 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:20.399 seen them, and like her mother, she was very observant. 216 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.320 She delivered Sandra with no problem. So in the back 217 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:28.840 seat of this fifty seven Chevy, Sandra's born. They drive on. Yeah, 218 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:31.279 they get to Eagle Beat where mom and baby get 219 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:34.600 checked in, and then Barbara and Joyce ask when we 220 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:37.360 go see the baby, and the nurses say, well, no, 221 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.120 she might be contaminated. She was born in the backseat 222 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:43.360 of the car. So to this day Sandra will say, geez, 223 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.679 even when I was a newborn, I was excluded from 224 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:49.840 the group. And like you said, her unusual birth foreshadowed 225 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.399 a light that would follow the same kind of unusual path. 226 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:57.519 Absolutely, let's get back as you do. In the book 227 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.399 to November eighteenth, nineteen seventy three. A day later after 228 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:05.279 this event, a couples in Gischee, Manitou State park and 229 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.600 they see three figures lying in the grass. Of course 230 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.320 they call police, but what do police find as soon 231 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.360 as they get there? From what county? You explain that 232 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:21.240 there's certain there's overlapping counties involved in this case and 233 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:24.840 in this park actually as well. But you introduce to 234 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:29.440 Craig Vincent and the Bureau of Criminal Investigation Terry Johnson. 235 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:33.840 So tell us about what the couple finds, the police 236 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:36.000 that they call, and what happens. 237 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.960 Okay, so, right, a couples out test driving a car. 238 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:43.080 They decide to go through the park. They see these 239 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.679 bodies laying there and the first thought is a gentleman 240 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:47.679 gets out and as soon as he gets up there, 241 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:50.440 he sees a lot of blood, he sees drag mark. 242 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:53.120 He gets back in the car. They race out, go 243 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:54.919 to the nearest farm, because there are a lot of 244 00:13:54.919 --> 00:14:00.080 farms around gets Manchu State Park and they call the police. 245 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:01.600 The suit balls. 246 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.279 Police get there very quickly. The sheriff of the county 247 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:08.519 that it's in is Craig Vincent and he has one deputy, 248 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:12.600 Leery Roy Greasy. They also get there very quickly. Now 249 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.639 around this area, possibly no one who showed up had 250 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:21.240 ever investigated a murder before. Sheriff Vincent and Deputy Greasy 251 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:25.240 definitely had not, but they knew everyone knew right away. 252 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.399 What they needed to do is get that park field 253 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:30.399 off protect the evidence. They didn't have anything in their 254 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:34.879 vehicles to do that, so they go to a nearby farm, 255 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:37.240 ask for some snow fence and poles and get that 256 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.000 set up. And at the same time, what happens in 257 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:45.039 small counties is Vincent and his deputy still have all 258 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:46.200 of their daily work to do. 259 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:48.120 They have to run the jail, they have. 260 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:50.399 To arrest people and all that kind of stuff. So 261 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:52.519 what they do is they call the Bureau of Criminal 262 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:56.120 Investigation in Iowa, and this is a group of people 263 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.679 who move around to different areas where a county needs help. 264 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.639 So several of the Bureau of Criminal Investigation agents come in, 265 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:06.759 headed by Terry Johnson, and they arrived one by one 266 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.360 at the park and it is getting very dark and 267 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:12.600 very late, and they eventually have to just close down 268 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:13.480 until daybreak. 269 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:21.720 Now, Craig Vincent tells BCI agent. He tells them that 270 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:25.440 there is a survivor. There's a person, a girl who 271 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:28.440 survived the murders. And you say that Johnson was stunned 272 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:35.080 and tell our audience where they there's still an imminent 273 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.399 danger because they don't know who these killers are. So 274 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.759 for her protection, where is sandrak And where is she 275 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:42.399 housed at? 276 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:46.360 And then tell us again, Yeah, Terry, there's suppose these 277 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.879 killers are running around and of course they've got a 278 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:51.720 living witness. This young girl has lived through this mass murder. 279 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:55.480 And so she's housed at the juvenile detention center and 280 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:58.320 so falls South Dakota. It's a lot of facility. Actually, 281 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:01.279 the head of the facility did not want there, okay, 282 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:03.559 he you know, his job was to protect the other 283 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:05.480 kids that are locked up there and his staff, and 284 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:07.919 he's thinking, what if these killers find out the loan 285 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:10.639 survivors here and they need to rub her out, they 286 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.559 could come here, you know, kind of went back and forth, 287 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:15.879 and you know, the powers above him made the decision, 288 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:19.000 and she was house there for her protection with some 289 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:23.000 extra round the clock police, uh, you know, surveillance of 290 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:25.279 the place. So that's where she was kept for her 291 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:28.440 protection while this investigation started kicking off. 292 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:35.840 Now with this survivor, there's also the identity or the identification, 293 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:40.279 the difficult identification of the boys and themselves and then 294 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:43.759 Vincent's job is to notify the boys' families and find 295 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:46.799 out any information on why they might have been there 296 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:50.879 that night. And then one of the most dramatic things 297 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:54.799 of this book is what Vincent and Johnson know that 298 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.639 they need from Sandra. Tell us about that? 299 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:01.879 Ah yeah, yeah. 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And this 322 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.160 young girl was terrified. She did not want to go 323 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.759 back to get you manit to. She begged and pleaded, 324 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:16.960 she tried every way to get out of going back there. 325 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.279 But you know, Craig Vincent was very fatherly to her. 326 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:25.559 He really calmed things down. Terry Johnson believed her. You know, 327 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:27.759 this girl wasn't believed by a lot of the detectives. 328 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:30.319 They thought, you know, why did one girl live through 329 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.480 this thing? She knows what's going on, or she's protecting somebody. 330 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.720 So there's a lot of controversies surrounding Sandra Chesky. They 331 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.319 were finally able to convince Sandra, you said you would 332 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:43.119 do whatever it took to help your friends. Now it's 333 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:45.200 the time, Sandra, You've got to be brave. You've got 334 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:47.240 to go back to the park. Where we can videotape 335 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.519 you walking through there. And so that's what they did 336 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:50.599 the next day with Sandra. 337 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.440 Now Sady tell us what she because we do as 338 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.039 an audience, do not know. And this is the first 339 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:02.920 time you're revealing the book exactly what happened and why 340 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.000 Sandra was the survivor, at least in her explanation, the 341 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.279 only living witness. This is very important. So the videotaping 342 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:14.640 the in the state park where all the locations and 343 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:17.880 what happened, as you do writ in the book, tell 344 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:22.279 us take us back to that November seventeenth and what 345 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:29.799 actually happened after Roger Essam was was shot and what 346 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:30.720 happened after. 347 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:38.079 Okay, so after Roger is shot, there's another shotgun blast 348 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:42.559 and Stewart Baty is also hit and he falls and 349 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:46.240 the other kids run and hide. 350 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:48.400 So I'm going to fel tell a little bit about 351 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.000 that point. Well, you know, at this point, Mike Chadra's 352 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:52.960 of my childhood best friend. Here's a fifteen year old 353 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:56.039 Chad through the twelve gage shotgun blastoy and he has 354 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:59.799 the heroic quality to grab Sandra Chesk who's frozen with 355 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.519 and physically drag her by her jacket to safety behind 356 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:07.400 some big trees, and Dana Baby, the young middle school 357 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:10.279 he ran off and hit as well. And so now 358 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.200 you've got a fifteen year old and a thirteen year 359 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:16.519 old her terrified. Steward is laying out there just wailing. 360 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:19.079 You know, I've been shot. It hurts so bad. Helped me, Oh, 361 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.599 somebody helped me. And you know they're whispering what's going on, 362 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:26.599 what's happening. It's dark, you know, there's a dim firelight, 363 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.680 and they can see these assailants starting to move around, 364 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:32.039 move off the rock ledge and come down by the fire. 365 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:35.000 They can hear them whispering and talking. And you get 366 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:39.400 two young teenagers that are petrified, and Sandra going should 367 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:41.799 we run? Should we run it? And they didn't know 368 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:46.119 what to do, and then there's assailants. They start yelling Dan, 369 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:48.680 where the police come out? With your hands up? Where 370 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:54.319 the police come out? And Sandra didn't want to come out, 371 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:56.559 but Mike told her, look, I don't know why these 372 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:58.839 cops are shooting at us, but they have shot at us. 373 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.039 We need to come out. And they came out with 374 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:04.759 their hands up. And when they come out, Mike, as 375 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:07.559 we're walking towards the assailants asked why they're being shot at, 376 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.000 and one of the assailants pulls the twelve gigs up 377 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:14.319 to his shoulder and shoots Mike, and he's severely wounded. 378 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:17.720 He spins around and falls to the ground and its instinctively. 379 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:20.319 Sandra falls down next to him and tries to play dead. 380 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:23.559 Dana Batty had also come out of the trees with 381 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:26.680 his hands up as well, and so now Mike is 382 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.240 laying on the ground severely wounded. Sandra's trying to play 383 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.559 dead at that poy didn't work. The killers went over 384 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:35.480 and kicked the kids and made him get up, and 385 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:36.839 now they've got him at gun points. 386 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:44.200 So then after they have marched the kids around the park, 387 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:47.559 they wire Sandra's hands and they get her in the 388 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:50.880 pickup and two of the men stay with the boys 389 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.200 at the park, and the oldest one, who calls himself 390 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.480 the Boss, takes off with Sandra in the truck. They 391 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:58.839 don't have a plan. He doesn't have a plan. He's 392 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:01.559 driving around thinking what he's going to do, taking her 393 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:05.640 here and there on these back roads, and after a 394 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:08.880 couple two and a half two to three hours, they 395 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:12.279 wind up at an abandoned farm, and his brothers show 396 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:17.039 up there too, and there's a sexual assault. Sandra is 397 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:21.480 raped and when it's over, only one of the brothers 398 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:24.400 raped her. He gets out and another one climbs in 399 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:28.480 and says, that wasn't so bad, was it. And Sandra 400 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:31.759 was so strong, she said she refused to cry. She 401 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:34.920