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Speaker 1: You are now listening to soft core history. What is up?

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Welcome back to softcore History.

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Speaker 2: I am your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined

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as always by Dan Rochester.

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Speaker 1: The rumors of my demise are false. He's still alive.

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I'm still here. Baby's still kicking barely, but I'm still here.

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Speaker 2: Still going. You know what you're like Our last Patreon episode,

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patreon dot COM's last softcore History. The woman who fought

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in the Revolutionary War started at the bottom.

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Speaker 1: And she got mildly successful, but she did dope shit.

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She won a bunch of awards, but she ended up

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poor and died poor. But she did dope shit. My

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life has been pretty cool up to this point.

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Speaker 2: Miner said, back for a major comeback.

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Speaker 1: Roller coaster ride. Yeah, the irs agent that's in charge

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of my file, just his mind's in a pretzel. He

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might have killed himself just from the work. Hmm. Yeah.

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So how did he make this much money in twenty

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twenty two and make this much money in twenty nineteen.

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It doesn't add up. But he's dealing drugs. Actually he's

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no dude, it's podcasting. Yeah, same deal, the new drug dealing.

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Speaker 2: We are delivering dopamine to people.

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Speaker 1: But it's right to your dome.

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Speaker 2: It's like a load drip, like it's just to keep

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them going, you know what I mean, Like we're not

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getting you high, but we keep you alive.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the three career choices you'll be

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able to have in about four years. Yeah, I would

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say so. I mean, it's just kind of a cousin

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of influencer saw two TikTok girls dancing in the wild

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today really at the domain. I've never seen it in

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my life. I thought that was, you know, a unicorn.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen that either, to be honest, it was crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just kept going back to their tripod iPhone doing takes,

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doing takes. Yeah, and then they checked the take not

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good enough, right.

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Speaker 2: Pros absolute pros, you don't get. I mean, there's no

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such thing as a one take TikTok.

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Speaker 1: For those unfamiliar with Austin. The domain is this massive

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outdoor shopping center.

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Speaker 2: Which and it's kind of like esthetically pleasing. It's probably

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a good nice Yeah, it's probably a good place to shoot

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TikTok if you want a good background.

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Speaker 1: But in the midst of all those people, people are

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just watching doing their holiday shopping I would be like,

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get the fuck out of my way.

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Speaker 2: Was it it was dancing? He said, yeah, So.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't even like come with me while I shop

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at the domain. No, my boyfriend just doing dances. I

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didn't even think that was the thing. I thought that

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kind of died went away in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: I think that's still the heart of it, all things considered.

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Speaker 1: That's what TikTok was built on. We should do history.

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Speaker 2: Fact videos where we're doing a popular TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Dance teens dancing. It's the only way we'll be able

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to blow up the show. We haven't danced enough. Actually,

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should we do it?

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Speaker 2: Or should we get teens? You mean start dming some teen.

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Speaker 1: No, I think it's us. I think we have to

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tell history through interpretive dance. Okay, okay, I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: And we were like doing the dance and we'll like

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point to point one.

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Speaker 1: And then thought Christopher Nolan's Odyssey where it's realistic and

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the gods are just normal dudes. We're just gonna do

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the Odyssey through dance.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you say that, not because that's the subject

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of this week's episode, but because history TikTok and history reels.

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Speaker 1: Are all.

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Speaker 2: But hurt, all very angry about Christopher Nolan's Odyssey.

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Speaker 1: Cast is loaded. Why than that the costumes way off? Yeah,

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way off? Who cares? Like? You know that that? People

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complain about Ridley Scott when he was doing this shit? Yes,

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did you not?

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Speaker 2: Ridley Scott's bost famous thing is from the The Moses

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movie where they were like that was like it came

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out and like peak woke.

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Speaker 1: I don't even remember the most It wasn't good. Ok,

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it wasn't good.

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Speaker 2: It came out during like peak woke, and it's like

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obviously Egyptians and like whatever Israeli's looked like in the

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Bronze Age. But it was Christian Bale. Joel Edgerton was

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the Pharaoh and Sigourney Weaver was the pharaoh's mom, and

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they were whining about why he didn't cast ethnic appropriate people,

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or at least a Mexican who you could confuse with

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being ethnically.

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Speaker 1: Appropriately, because he got Christian Bale. That's what he said.

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He goes, I'm sorry, you get Bail. He's gonna play anything.

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Speaker 2: Now, He's gonna come see a movie starring al Kah

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blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: It's just not I've got to sell a movie.

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Speaker 2: And everyone was like, but Ridley Scott was like, I'm

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fucking heighty and I'm fucking Ridley Skool, So I don't

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don't rock care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if we're doing a wounded knee movie and we

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still need like, you know, head honcho chief, I'm still

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getting Christian Bale.

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Speaker 2: Christian Bale's first call absolutely the sit in bull.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm very unfamiliar with one that sounds right

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't a battle. Battle's a generous term.

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Speaker 1: And I know it's a tattoo I want to get

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on my leg. What just the word wounded on my knee.

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It's the most piece of shit tattoo I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: It's like punching down so hard because it's like obscure,

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to be honest, So you're just making like an obscure

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genocide joke on your body.

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Speaker 1: That's how little I care about my body to get

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that tattoo on it and then also put my life

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at risk.

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Speaker 2: Actually that speaking of Indians or Native Americans or eve

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gonna call them, I actually got really pissed off today

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researching this episode because in the Wikipedia, which is always

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where I start before I get like the bones from Wikipedia,

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and then I'll go into like other articles and stuff

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to pull the more fun facts. And but in the Wikipedia,

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so like Indians play a part in this by the way,

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they call themselves Indians, they call themselves Indians, they called

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they call themselves American Indians.

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Speaker 1: Did we pass that in like ninety nine?

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Speaker 2: But in the in the fucking Wikipedia, they kept calling

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them like first nations. Sure, here's the problem with that.

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And this isn't even like this is.

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Speaker 1: Just not historically accurate. They're not the.

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Speaker 2: First nations like the Iroquois. That's not a first nation

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that is. And this isn't even to be like.

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Speaker 1: Well they killed the other people boooo we got here,

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Yeah they did. Whatever you didn't sprout from the plans.

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Speaker 2: There were a whole ass other civilizations that rose and

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fall before the final version of American Indians that existed

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when we the Aztecs were only one hundred years old,

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when Quartets got to them, like the people who built

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Kahokia in Illinois, like that that civilization rose. It would

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be like saying France and England and Germany are European

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first nations. They're not remotely first nations. Their last nations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not discovering anything new here. People are just morons.

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I just like that. I was just like, god, I mean,

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it's Wikipedia, so it is. It is kind of like

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the SEC talk today, and this is gonna be evergreen

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because I won't mention any names. People were complaining about

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the rebel name for Old miss and totally cool with

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the tiger name in Louisiana. Yeah, read up on that.

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Know who the Louisiana Tigers were. Read up on who

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those guys were. Not Union soldiers, not even like civilized

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Confederacy troops. Oh they dickheads. I'd a huge dickheads.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know their history, like so even for Yeah,

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that doesn't surprise me. But I read that today and

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I was just like, god, fucking damn it, dude, Like

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this doesn't even it doesn't even make sense.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. I do appreciate the Natives though, for essentially coming

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up with the term confederacy. I had not heard of

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the confederacy until all the nations got together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Battle of the White I mean the word confederation

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was used prior to the or a quite confederacy no,

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not in my mind.

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Speaker 1: They bade it. They made up that English world what

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I think? Okay, that's like the first confederacy that put

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the word confederacy on the map. Really, I can't think

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of a confederacy before the Indians.

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Speaker 2: There was some in Europe. I'd have to go look

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up what they.

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Speaker 1: Were, not important enough in my mind, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: I'm all about being American centric, whether it's natives, that

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includes natives. Yeah, fuck Europe for real, dude. And that's

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sort of what this episode's about today. I was inspired

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by the fact that ken Burns has his documentary out

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right now to do a fun episode from the American Revolution,

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a really niche episode.

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Speaker 1: Or you were inspired by my episode on Friday that too,

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that too, I trained dot com last software history.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I was inspired by that as well. I was like,

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I need my own badass from the American Revolution, just

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a hard motherfucker.

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Speaker 1: There's only one hard bitch on there is only one

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hard bitch. I think. Isn't it true that like Molly

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Pitcher is just made up? I don't know, but I'm

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gonna say that's right. Yeah, yeah, fuck that. I think

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Molly Pitcher is just like propaganda. She's a combination of

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multiple women.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. Betsy Ross was real, but she

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didn't make the first flag. But whoa, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Now there's no Betsy Ross slander in this household. As

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to wear my Philadelphia flyers at I'll dare you. Have

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you ever been to Betsy Ross's house? I haven't. Nope,

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it's very tiny. It's very small.

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Speaker 2: Well, like as we established on the Patreon episode, the.

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for women. Yeah. Yeah, didn't need to do a lot.

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the past. Weren't even human, No, that was a different

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species there.

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Speaker 2: There was a joke on of all things, how I

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day just because it was so funny. Like Marshall, Jason

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Siegl's character was thinking about moving to New Jersey with

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his wife to like live a normal like you can't

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raise a family in New York type of thing, and they.

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Speaker 1: Were like, why would you want to leave New York?

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Speaker 2: And Jason Siegal's a big dude, so his character is

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a big dude, and he's like, this city wasn't made

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for me.

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Speaker 1: No, all these doors are one hundred and fifty years old.

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I can't fit through them. Dude. Even the hotels are tiny. Yeah,

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it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was just like, that's the most valid

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point I could have possibly heard about leaving New York.

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Speaker 1: Even in Chicago. You know this Wrigley Fields, but on

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a city block. Oh it's small, there's no room.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, home runs always fly out of that park. But yeah,

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today we're doing a dude in the Revolutionary War, specifically

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the oldest man to fight in the American Revolution.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. Was he born in the sixteen hundreds? He

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sure fucking was. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Uh, we're talking about Samuel Whitmore Wittemore. Sorry, Samuel Whittemore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, please put some respect him on man's name.

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Speaker 2: Who was born in Charlestown, Massachusetts in sixteen ninety six.

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Speaker 1: That's Southee, right, Yep, we got our boy from Southee

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in what's sixteen ninety six. Yeah, I'm intrigued.

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Speaker 2: He Yeah, so I think of the town. He was

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the first guy in the town.

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Speaker 1: He's the first masshole. Yeah, this is the absolute first massile.

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Fuck you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he just we gotta go somewhere. We gotta hut

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some people. You can't ask me any questions about it.

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Speaker 1: Who's cade we taken?

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Speaker 2: The American Revolution, by the way, would be his third war.

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Speaker 1: He liked to get some Probably the French and Indian War.

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Speaker 2: French Indian War would be the second war that he

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Speaker 2: There were several wars from the sixteen fifties all the

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way up through the French and Indian slash Seven Years

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fought on American side.

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Speaker 1: But it heads with the Spaniards, maybe.

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Speaker 2: The Spaniards the French. Of course, really the French are

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the ones, but the French and Spanish are usually allied. Yeah,

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so the British are button up against both of them.

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French for the most part.

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Speaker 1: French are dicks, especially the ones that come over here.

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They're dirty, dirty dicks. I what are my favorite there's

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some of the grossest human beings that ever, you know,

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walk the planet. Are the French fur trappers? Oh? Yeah,

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what are my favorite. They look like me.

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Speaker 2: They look like you if they took a bath.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they look like me if I rolled around

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in mud, if you didn't shower for like one hundred

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weeks in a row. Yeah, but that's the aesthetic I'm

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going for.

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Speaker 2: Where I was gonna say it is one of my

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favorite gay sex stories of all time. I was hanging

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out with my friend and her cousin who's like this

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really handsome gay guy who's and he's a doctor.

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Speaker 1: So just polls had a couple of drinks and one

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thing led to another and we played doctor.

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Speaker 2: Uh Yeah, ironically, my prostate was worse after the exam.

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Speaker 1: I mean, operation is a hard game. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But he was like talking about how he went to

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France and he was like obviously hooking up with dudes,

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and he was like, yeah, France was like basically every

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time we hooked up, I always suggested we start in

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the shower because they all smelled like shit.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's stereotypes for a reason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he was straight up like, yeah, I couldn't

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fuck any of the guys unless they took a shower first,

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So I would just like lure them sexually into the shower.

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Speaker 1: They are actually smoke, so it covers up their smell. Yeah.

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I'd rather smell the cigarettes.

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Speaker 2: I would rather smell the cigarettes than whatever god forsaken

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thing here too, because it's like the land of perfume.

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Speaker 1: In Champagne. Yeah, and they still smell like animals. You know,

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they kind of maybe spray over themselves walk into it,

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but that's not covering the pits. That's just you know,

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that's a frat boy shower axe body spray. In two

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thousand and eight, we used to call something else, but

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we should have been calling it a French shower. It

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is a French shower. Yeah, so you racist motherfuckers. Whittemore

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first served. He fought his first war when he was

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forty nine years old. He served as late to the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as a private in Colonel Jeremiah Moulton's third Massachusetts

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Regiment in the in King George's War.

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Speaker 1: Was he a specimen? Was he just physically fit? Uh?

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Speaker 2: I get to that later, but yes, by all accounts,

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he was an absolute hoss.

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Speaker 1: Just a big unit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just a unit of a man. I couldn't get

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a height on him. But he was known for his physical.

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Speaker 1: Prowess, for his strength. Yeah, I like that Socrates in

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all the way to like his older age too. He

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was he was getting down big dude. He's a big guy.

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Like he's like an ed Orgeron type of guy, right

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like Coajo. Yeah, still throwing up big way. Oh yeah,

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one got to impress his sugar baby, worst.

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Speaker 2: Case scenario just to stay with college fotball, like a

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Brent Venables.

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Speaker 1: All right, right, like a cut dude. No, No, I

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like Coacho. I like I think Coacho's more. Coacho's a

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a more apt I think, yeah comparison because yeah, waits

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back then.

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Speaker 2: I certainly think Whittemore is a coach o type because

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he farmed, so just that hey bale strength.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fort though in King Jordan's are bad. Everything hurts

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when you wake up, you don't give a fuck. I'm

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thirty four and I wake up and something new. It's

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just ache. And maybe we're soft.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we're like all those NBA players who back in

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the like all the old ones are.

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Speaker 1: Like I played eighty two games. I've been torturing my

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body since I was twelve with sports, with lifting.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, with lifting, and uh also your bone shooting

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out of your leg.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my tip fib the Kevin war injury. End of

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my real athletic career. R I P only because it

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stunted your growth. I would have been six four. Yeah.

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It could be over in Greece right now, getting buckets. Yeah, yeah,

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you'd be playing.

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Speaker 2: You could be playing Euroball.

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Speaker 1: Be hanging on. Maybe not in Greece at thirty four,

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maybe somewhere in the Middle East, Israel, hopefully not is

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Israeli league. It's a good league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can play with. Marshall Henderson played Iraq. Yeah, no,

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be interesting, that would be I want to I want

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to have Marshall Henderson on the show just to talk

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about that.

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Speaker 1: Still basketball.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to hear a single thing about old miss.

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I want to hear the history of basketball in Iraq. Yeah,

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we just have him on there to talk about it.

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So King George's War was essentially it's like the French

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and Indian War, where it gets its own name, but

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it's part of a bigger war. It was the North

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American side of what was called the War of the

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Austrian Succession, which went from seventeen forty to seventeen forty eight.

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Although King George's War didn't kick up till seventeen forty four,

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because that's when the Brits got involved. So the British

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weren't involved immediately in that war, but they did get

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involved essentially in just to give a quick background of that,

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the War of Bostian Succession. Maria Theresa was the ruler

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of the Habsburg monarchy, but France, Prussia and Bavaria were

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like fuck that. She was backed by the British, the

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Dutch and Hanover and eventually the conflict drew wider and

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involved Spain, Sweden, Russia.

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Speaker 1: So it's basically a world war. Yeah, that was Austrian Habspurgs. Yeah,

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that's what started all with a line of succession.

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Speaker 2: He was involved in the biggest battle on the North

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American side, taking the fortress of Louisbourg in seventeen forty five,

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which was in Nova Scotia. So his unit marched up

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from Massachusetts to fucking Nova Scotia to take like one

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of the biggest French forts on the continent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes we'll just marsh on up to Canada, knock

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on the door and take it.

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Speaker 2: We were better at it before we became our own country.

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Speaker 1: Didn't Benedict Arnold do that for us? He just went

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up to Canada. He took a fort like was it

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Taekwonda Roga? I think that's in America. But he did

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invade Canada, Okay, and.

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Speaker 2: Winfield Scott one of America's great generals, the guy who

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won the Mexican War. He was like a brigadier general

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in the War of eighteen twelve. He fought in Canada.

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Speaker 1: Actually, but I think I'm under the belief that Benedict

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Arnold went up to just some random fort in Canada

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and said this is ours now, and they had no

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idea where at war with them, They're like, what who

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are you? Yeah? The what who? Turns out he was

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on their side eventually.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything worked out in the end. But I was

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gonna say, at.

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Speaker 1: That Winfield this Tykona Rogan might be in New York.

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I think that is in New York.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Winfield's got Hancock battle in the War of

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eighteen twelve. I think it was Lundy's Lane, which canonically

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in Gangs of New York, that's the battle that Bill

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the Butcher's dad died in and why he's such an

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American patriot. But yeah, so he is part of taking

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the fortress of Louisbourg in Nova Scotia. It was the

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biggest engagement in that war in North America during this battle.

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Speaker 1: So it was like forty dudes. Yeah, I was like

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eighty on eighty. During this battle, Whittemore.

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Speaker 2: Captured a French officer and took his badass sword from.

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Speaker 1: Him, just right from him.

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Speaker 2: Was just like, is mine now spoils a war?

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Speaker 1: It's the seventeenth century version of a nutmeg.

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Speaker 2: A's the seventeenth version of a like in Band of Brothers,

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they're all obsessed with getting a luger, or in the Pacific,

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they're all obsessed with getting a Samurai sword, which, by

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the way, the way, I would have risked my life

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to get a Japanese Samurai sword in the Pacific in

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World War two to get that trophy.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm bringing that back. I'm actually probably using it

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in war. Oh you keep it on you at all times? Yeah, yeah,

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you're using that. The goal should be retrieve a Samurai sword,

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then use it to chop a Japanese soldier's head.

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Speaker 2: Off your officers like fixed band nuts and you're like, nah,

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I've got something else.

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Speaker 1: Or if you get into like a sticky situation and

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you know you're gonna die commit suppukuo. That might be

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a bridge too far. You don't want to cut into yourself.

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It's because it's not just one, it's and then and

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then over to your heart. I think you yeah, yeah, yeah,

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you're You're a hard motherfucker. Not my culture if you

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can do that.

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Speaker 2: The British side overall kind of uh, what's.

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Speaker 1: The Irish version of suppuku? Just drowning in your own vomit? Yeah,

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choke to death on whiskey vomit basically, yeah, or drowning

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in a puddle.

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Speaker 2: Drowning in a puddle because you're so drunk.

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Speaker 1: You're so drunk, you fall into the street and yeah,

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there's like just a small little puddle that you drowned in. Yeah.

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Avery Johnson's dad tried to do that. Davey Johnson's brother

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drown him in a puddle in Dublin. I hate to

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see it, true irishman.

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Speaker 2: So the British kind of lost this war overall, the

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War of all Austrian Succession. They were more successful on

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the North American front than in the main war. And

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the result of all this, essentially like the way World

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War One was not really fully adjudicated correctly at the

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end of it.

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Speaker 1: It's miss labeled. As you mentioned earlier, that was World

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War There were so many world wars before the World War.

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Speaker 2: I think that's actually I haven't gotten fully through it,

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but I think that's actually something ken Burns brings up

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because I've seen him bring it up in interviews about

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his documentary, that the American Revolution in and of itself

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was a world war and that World War One was.

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Speaker 1: I think he said that about the French and Indian War.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, either way, world War one's like the third

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or fourth World War.

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Speaker 1: I got to that part too. I fell asleep, but yeah, whatever,

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that's what ken Burns did it. I'm imprinted in your mind.

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Speaker 2: So all of this bullshit, just like how World War

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One was not solved correctly at the end, this just

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really was left like as a bad piece and direct

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led to the Seven Years War aka the French and

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Indian War later between King George's War and the French

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and Indian War. He moved to Whittemore, moved to present

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day Arlington, Massachusetts, where he owned land, farmed.

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Speaker 1: Raised his family. He was married twice.

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Speaker 2: I think one died or who could say, but it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: His family is.

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Speaker 2: Not really important in this story in anyway whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Never is, they get in the way of greatness.

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Speaker 2: They really do, and ironically, his crowning achievement happened.

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Speaker 1: You tell that to your wife and kids every day.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'd be like, do you know what I could

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be doing?

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Speaker 1: Yere a hurdle.

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Speaker 2: If I didn't have to change this fucking diaper. You're

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wasting these hands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what those hands can do? What I've seen them

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in action with your cousin's gay friend. It's fun. At

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least we don't need to get in the shower first.

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Like you smell like a frenchman. Oh, good lord, I'll like, Yeah,

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my balls are real sweaty. You know, just got done

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playing tennis. Yeah, the post.

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Speaker 2: Tennis bang is foul.

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Speaker 1: You don't want that. Uh when all five sets? Yeah,

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and deep too.

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Speaker 2: There were several tie breakers. There were no straight set.

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There was no like quick wins, not a lot of

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broken serves.

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Speaker 1: I've expanded my tennis knowledge. I will concede the floor. Uh. So.

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Speaker 2: Whittemore, like I said, was known for being a fucking hoss.

465
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:45,000
And the French and Indian war rolls around and this

466
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:52,079
hoss now sixty four years old. I love it is

467
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,640
like I need to get some more. I got some,

468
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,480
but I can get enough.

469
00:24:57,839 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: Sam could use some freedom.

470
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm gonna get some goddamn war. One of

471
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,319
the reasons I think that he got involved.

472
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: God, it would have been quite the left turn if

473
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,759
you were like, oh he was fighting for the crown.

474
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,319
Speaker 2: Well in the French and Indian War, he was for

475
00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:14,960
the yeah, oh yeah, yeah, no, he was. He was

476
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,000
patriot and we'll get to that in a little bit

477
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:20,720
because he's very politically involved, like leading up to the revolution.

478
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,799
So he's like which actually was disappointing because.

479
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Chris, so he's this is the French and

480
00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:28,160
Indian War. He's already in his sixties.

481
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 2: Yes, he's in his sixties in the French and Indian War.

482
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: Boy, we're sending out a geriatric on behalf of our

483
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,680
you know, little colony.

484
00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah. I think he volunteered and they're like

485
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,880
all right. But one of the reasons I think he

486
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,400
was used.

487
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,599
Speaker 1: We took anything we could get.

488
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, truly, I mean, there weren't that many people here,

489
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,599
like you need to anybody they're happy to have, but

490
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,759
they had to again take the fortress of Louisbourg in

491
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:57,200
the French and Indian War. He had already done it.

492
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: It's like I've been there, done that. Yeah, I could

493
00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:02,400
do it again. But he later also served in a

494
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,720
military expedition. It's like replaying a video game. Yeah, he's

495
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:06,559
I've done this level.

496
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: He's like, they didn't make it different. I know exactly

497
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,119
how to get there and what to do once you're there.

498
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,039
Speaker 1: He just speed run through it, speed run.

499
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna get five more swords this stuff.

500
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm good to go and find all the Easter eggs. Yeah.

501
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,200
He also so after the cat again, they captured Fort

502
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,400
Louisbourg again. He's part of that.

503
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,559
Speaker 2: He was later in a military expedition to the Great

504
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:32,160
Lakes region to take on so Louisbourg was the French part.

505
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,599
Then he also took on the Indian part. Fought against

506
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,599
Chief Pontiac in seventeen sixty three up around the Great Lakes.

507
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:40,480
I don't know which state off the top of my head,

508
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:42,519
but he had to go along ass way.

509
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: He was in this war.

510
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: He was a captain of dragoons according to records, so

511
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,240
he was an officer this time. Commanding like some cavalry

512
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:51,200
or something.

513
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: Did. Dragrin's gonna fuck you up.

514
00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: And in this war he gets another trophy. It's a

515
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,200
pair of dueling pistols from a fallen warrior.

516
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: There's not really going to serve you in battle, but

517
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:09,880
if you want to like disrespect, somebody's slap him with

518
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,200
the white glove maybe in the midst of battle. But

519
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,759
he just got to, you know, fucking ready to go

520
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:21,599
dueling pistols. Yeah, it wasn't like John Wick back then.

521
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:27,720
I disagree and we'll get to that all right. It's

522
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,920
probably not even accurate or true, but it adds to

523
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:36,839
the story. Yeah, that's the legend. So he is.

524
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,079
Speaker 2: Also between the French and Indian War and the Revolution,

525
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,119
heavily involved in colonial politics. He turns on you know,

526
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,920
he fought for the British twice, but he turns on

527
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,519
them and think he's against all their policies. Even in

528
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:54,039
seventeen thirty eight, before either war he's in at the

529
00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:59,119
age of forty one, he is actively involved in politics

530
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:03,480
where he is dude for defamation by this guy named

531
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,599
John Vassal who was elected as a selectman in Cambridge.

532
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:13,920
Uh whitmore essentially was like, he essentially said paraphrasing, but

533
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,319
he was like, Vassal is less fit for office than

534
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,680
the fucking horse he rides.

535
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:25,519
Speaker 1: The disrespect So Vassal disrespect to that horse. Yeah, Vassal

536
00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:29,079
sues him to shot the horse. The horse should see him.

537
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: I think maybe it was a what do you call

538
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,880
that class action with Vassal and the horse get him involved, Yeah,

539
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:41,559
doubled up. Vassal essentially sues Whittemore for defamation.

540
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: And said, we know you could do that. Back then,

541
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:48,400
I thought you had to go to a duel.

542
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: You would think that that trial, trial by combat would be.

543
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: That's the only option.

544
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that, but Vassal saw Vassals a bitch. Vassal essentially

545
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,519
claimed that within a more, making fun of him, Slash

546
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,599
being a dick to him made it harder for him

547
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,839
to do his job because no one would respect him.

548
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,559
Speaker 1: Now yeah, well nobody respects him anyone.

549
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: If the sentence that Whittimore spoke didn't do it, this

550
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,680
fucking lawsuit should Yeah, soft shit.

551
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,759
Speaker 1: Just putting it out into the universe and people hearing that,

552
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:27,039
you think they're suddenly just gonna be like this guy's.

553
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: Cool, right, No, I'm gonna sue you.

554
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: You're shooting yourself in the foot.

555
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're almost proving him right, Like he didn't call

556
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:38,119
you a bitch, but like you're adding to the allegations.

557
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, when somebody in sultcy, you cannot get mad, right,

558
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,119
you have to just like take it right and just

559
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:45,680
be like and just throw it back.

560
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever he can tell you, he can say whatever

561
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,279
he wants. I don't give a shit who you like.

562
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: You just go who Who's what I learned at a

563
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,359
young age, you know, self deprecation. You can't hurt me

564
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,559
more than I can hurt myself. Yeah, and I will,

565
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,279
and I'll have him all laughing. So Whittemore couldn't afford bond,

566
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,880
so he was actually jailed for four days and was

567
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,839
fucking pissed about it. So he gets out, wins his case,

568
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,400
and then counter sues vassal for two hundred pounds and

569
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:26,640
a four days in the clink. Yeah for my time.

570
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,480
You know, emotional distress.

571
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:34,839
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, emotional distress over a sentence never relevant,

572
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,880
always bullshit. Emotional distress for having to spend four days

573
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,319
in an eighteenth century Massachusetts.

574
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,359
Speaker 1: Jail pounds, that's a lot of money, that has a

575
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:46,720
shit ton of money. He wins.

576
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,599
Speaker 2: He wins the lawsuit, so vassal to recap gets called

577
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,279
a dumbass, sues him, loses like a bitch, loses like

578
00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:02,759
a bitch, gets sued by him, loses again like a bitch,

579
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:04,799
Which means I think Whittemore was just right.

580
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: I think that's the gentleman's sweep. Yeah, just everything.

581
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: So by the seventeen sixties he's fully involved in like

582
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:19,519
patriot politics. The British taxes have pissed him off. He's

583
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:24,000
a key local figure even though he's older. He's seventy

584
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,359
in seventeen sixty six.

585
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:31,519
Speaker 1: And he's still mad, still mad, still mad. At that

586
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,160
age he serves on a three man Cambridge committee. There's

587
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,039
only two ways you can go at that age. Either

588
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:43,000
you continue to get madder or you just level out

589
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:45,960
like Bill Walton. Yeah, you just go full hippie.

590
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:50,359
Speaker 2: Everything's beautiful, I love everything.

591
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: Isn't hew great? We're live. Yes, you become Bill one

592
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,480
or you become Clint Eastwood. Yeah, that's the only two options.

593
00:31:57,799 --> 00:31:58,079
For no.

594
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: I would take Bill Walton to be on it. I

595
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,680
really don't want to be like grand Terino. Clint Eastwood,

596
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,200
get off my lawn, just growling at people.

597
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: I get that though his grandson wore a Detroit Lion

598
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:14,119
jersey to their grandmother's funeral.

599
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: That I wouldn't be able to build Walton my way

600
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,119
through that.

601
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: I would shoot the kid. Yep, that's all I remember

602
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,119
about that movie. Would not be able to build Walton

603
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:26,119
my way through that at all. Just do a bunch

604
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,680
of psychedelics and see a dead chill.

605
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically the amount of mushrooms I would need to

606
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,119
get over one of my grandsons wearing.

607
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:41,519
Speaker 1: To Courtney's funeral. Yeah, they'd be wearing like a Saint

608
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,000
Louis Cardinal jersey too, the team you don't even root for.

609
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking I've actually Cardinals jersey would be bad. But

610
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,880
the trashiest version for Saint Let's be a blues jersey.

611
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,400
Like a blues jersey would be the whiskey tango version.

612
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,799
Speaker 1: He's just saying that because it's hockey. I literally am

613
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,799
saying that because it's hockey. Yes, classis, asshole, you think

614
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:03,880
you're better than hockey.

615
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,279
Speaker 2: No, I got I got drunk for like thirty straight

616
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:09,799
days during the Blues Cup run.

617
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was exhausting. It's a blue collar sport.

618
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:15,599
It's for the the everyday man.

619
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: It is, and I enjoy the atmosphere. You like to

620
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,400
dip a toe from my box?

621
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:27,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, you're you're not diving

622
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:29,480
headfirst into that. Oh honey, look that life.

623
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,359
Speaker 2: Look at the poles throwing the tall boys of bush

624
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:37,519
at the ice. They're riled up. Whoa doesn't take much

625
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:43,920
to rile them up. They're an emotional people, simple, passionate.

626
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:48,839
Speaker 1: Normal dudes, except the goalies. Goalies are always psychopaths. The

627
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,200
goalies are yeah, goalies. I mean that's a position that

628
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,440
lends itself to just total weirdos.

629
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: Weirdos and like people almost like seeking punishment.

630
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:01,359
Speaker 1: Same with pictures in baseball.

631
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: Pictures are the biggest lunatics in baseball.

632
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm surprised more people aren't like Max Shareser. Yeah

633
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,840
it either Max Sharser or you know who.

634
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 2: I actually respect the shit out of for like somehow

635
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,760
not being a psycho. Although maybe he's like like a

636
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,559
psycho deep inside is Skeens. Skeens just shows no emotion.

637
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: I think as he's a golden retriever. As a human,

638
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,679
he's just a puppy dog. I think they're not a

639
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:36,039
lot there. No, he's never really that happy, never really

640
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:36,840
emotes anything.

641
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: He's like sitting next to Livy Dunn and he's just

642
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:39,519
like cool.

643
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: I think he his life's too perfect.

644
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:50,119
Speaker 2: I think Paul Skeene's probably inadvertently nagged Livvy Dunn into

645
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:50,639
loving him.

646
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't intentional, right, but that's just who he is. Yeah.

647
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: And she would be like hey, and he'd be like, uh, hey, hey,

648
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:59,920
what are you doing.

649
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: I don't know I'm doing this because he locked her

650
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,960
down when he had all that acting on his face

651
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,599
and everything. Yeah, and she now has got money.

652
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,559
Speaker 2: She looked like herself the entire time.

653
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: And she's a gymnast. Yeah.

654
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: There's literally no one on earth is living a better

655
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,440
life than Paul Skins.

656
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: Now, you've got to figure it out. Yeah, there's no

657
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,360
pressure key to things in all life, there's no there's

658
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,519
no pressure on him either. Just go through the motions

659
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,840
like be good at everything? Why are you good at everything?

660
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,800
But stupid? We be better? Yeah? I need to care

661
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,760
what the thing is? I need to care?

662
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: I need to like just not care about anything, or

663
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,639
at least act like I don't care about anything.

664
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,639
Speaker 1: Just be like, yo, whatever, it's not an act.

665
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,159
Speaker 2: Whatever skeins, Yeah, no, skeins isn't an act. That's why

666
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:42,960
he does it so well.

667
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: Now, if you act, it's gonna come through. It's gonna

668
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,960
be very transparent. I know. You just need to be

669
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,440
about that live. There's levels to these, You're right.

670
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: So at age seventy, uh, whine More is on a

671
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,679
three man Cambridge committee that's like to instruct their representative.

672
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: In seventeen sixty eight.

673
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,599
Speaker 2: The General Court is dissolved by Governor Francis Bernard of

674
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:08,400
a protests against the Townshend Acts, and Whittemore gets elected

675
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,360
as a delegate to the Massachusetts Committee of Convention in Boston.

676
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,599
That's like kind of in protest to that. He's then

677
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,800
elected to Cambridge's Committee of Correspondence, and he responded to

678
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,159
Boston's pamphlet on British violations the committee did.

679
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: They decried the t Act.

680
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: Including Whittemore, as quote a diabolical plan to enslave Americans,

681
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,000
and they warned that the chains of slavery were coming

682
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:38,840
on them because of this Tea Act. They viewed the

683
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,599
ta imports as literally more dangerous than quote plague or pestilence,

684
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:48,239
and the committee voted in favor of using their joint

685
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,880
influence to prevent the landing and sale of tees expected

686
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,800
from the East India Company, and Whittemore and others coordinated

687
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,199
with nearby towns to essentially, if any t any East

688
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:02,440
India ships land and any t ships landed, uh, you

689
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,920
block them. They couldn't dock, they couldn't beach anything.

690
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: Get your gay duncan on my face.

691
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:13,079
Speaker 2: And about three weeks later after they made this decision,

692
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:16,880
Boston Tea Party, he's a part of it.

693
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,199
Speaker 1: He was not a part of it, but he was.

694
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,039
He was a slower guy, key point.

695
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Speaker 2: Right, but he was a part of the political infrastructure

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that made the decision to do what the Boston Tea

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Party ultimately did.

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Speaker 1: You don't like to do the Boston accent because you're

699
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not very good at it. I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I could do like JFK, but I can't do like

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00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:34,800
the straight up like Masshole.

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Speaker 1: It takes me a second to get into it. I

703
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,360
might miss it first, but then I kind of get

704
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into a groove.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Boston's not in the repertoire that's there.

706
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,159
Speaker 1: See, just do a little JFK.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I uh will not let any t land

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on my my colony.

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Speaker 1: But South he's a little bit more like fuck you. Yeah,

710
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:03,199
it's fucking, fucking figh it's just getting pussy in the

711
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:06,480
first time of fire or pussy. It's piece of shit. JFK.

712
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:09,920
Like JFK is the JFK was always a piece of shit,

713
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,960
but a rich piece of shit. He's a stud. Yeah,

714
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:17,880
I saw a real the other day. It's just like

715
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,559
JFK didn't see women as humans, just play toys.

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00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: What like they were like explaining that it was a

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00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,840
historian man, all right.

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00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: I didn't really check his credentials. It was a sixty

719
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:34,400
second reel, but it was Kennedy treated all women as playthings,

720
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:36,000
probably accurate.

721
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,679
Speaker 2: Jackie was his home play thing. Yeah, it was his

722
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,280
favorite toy, his homemaker play thing. There's actually a meme

723
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,880
going JFK meme going around right now. It's the one

724
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,880
of him and Jackie sitting in the Kennedy like beach

725
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,199
house in Nantucket or something like that, and like Kennedy's

726
00:38:54,280 --> 00:39:00,079
looking off camera somewhere and Jackie's looking at him, and

727
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,559
the like thing that Jackie is is like caption and

728
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,400
the thing that Jackie says is always different, But one

729
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,320
of the ones I saw it was like, so, wait,

730
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,400
you're letting a bunch of nineteen year olds who run

731
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around on grass dictate your entire life. But the JFK

732
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,320
response is always the same. It just says, shut up,

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00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,360
you stupid fucking bitch, You stupid fucking bitch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, a good portion of this country do let

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00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,960
a bunch of nineteen year olds dictate how they feel?

736
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, including both of us.

737
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Speaker 1: Uh me financially more than emotionally at this point. Yeah,

738
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,119
and it's not going well either way.

739
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if U seef starts winning, it's back to both.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just happy, Yeah happy, we get a dub.

741
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So now we get to.

742
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Speaker 2: His coup de gras, his greatest achievement in life. On

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00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:05,000
April nineteenth, seventeen seventy five, British forces were returning to

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Boston from the first battle or battles engagements of the war,

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the Battles of Lexington and Concord.

746
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Speaker 1: They were returning from that.

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Speaker 2: Knowing that there had been an engagement in the area,

748
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and the fact that Whittemore was seventy eight years old.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's disrespectful that they both get grouped

750
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together all the time, lexingon Concord.

751
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like if a guy died at Concord especially.

752
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that. Whon't we give both battles the

753
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proper respect.

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Speaker 2: Well, they call them the battles of Lexington and Concord,

755
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but it's.

756
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Speaker 1: Always grouped together. Yeah, they never get their separate shy,

757
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,159
it's too much.

758
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Speaker 2: There was the Battle of Lexington and then the Battle

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of Concorde.

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Speaker 1: Just put it together. It's fun, that's true. I mean

761
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:51,039
there's they're at least getting mentioned. There's other battles that

762
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:55,280
get absolutely no run. Right, imagine dying at those battles

763
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,360
and then you all did I die? Right? Oh? I

764
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,360
think about that all the time.

765
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Speaker 2: How many ancient and medieval and even modern battles people

766
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,559
died in that were like literally.

767
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,159
Speaker 1: Pointless, like the Greek battles.

768
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:09,039
Speaker 2: The Greek battles are like the Iran Iraq War? Like

769
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:11,440
have you ever even heard of the Battle of Mansu.

770
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Speaker 1: Kurt couldn't tell you where Mansi Court was.

771
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Speaker 2: It was a battle between I think the Byzantines and

772
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the Turks or Persians or.

773
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Speaker 1: Arabs something like that.

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Speaker 2: See I don't even know, but it was a very

775
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:25,159
pivotal battle for the time and people died in it.

776
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Thinking this battle is one of the most important we.

777
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:31,599
Speaker 1: Will live in the handles of history. Yeah no, I don't.

778
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,679
We forgot what what country is that? Yeah?

779
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: Where it was in Turkey somewhere. Yeah, so knowing that

780
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,639
there there was engagements in the area.

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Speaker 1: Uh. The seventy eight year old Wittemore's wife, Esther was like,

782
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:55,079
you need to leave. We all need to leave. It

783
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:56,280
could it's dangerous.

784
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Speaker 2: And they all left and Whittimore was like, I'm gonna

785
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:03,760
keep play. Fuck this, I'm working the fields today. Nothing's

786
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,280
getting me out of here. Fuck the British, fuck everything.

787
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,880
I farm plow through. Yeah, fuck it, we farm real quick.

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So Whittemore was in his fields working when he spotted

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an approaching British Relief Brigade under Earl Percy that was

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Speaker 1: Retreat from Lexington and Concord.

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Speaker 2: Keep him safe, scored him back to Boston. Whittemore sees

861
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:58,400
them and it's on site. He loads his musket and

862
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he sneaks up to a little stone wall next to

863
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the road. The British get close right on.

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Speaker 1: Top of him. He pops out from behind the wall.

865
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Got to make a count Yep, you have one shot,

866
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one opportunity.

867
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Speaker 2: Pops out from behind the wall, immediately blasts. A British

868
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:23,119
soldier drops.

869
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: Dead, and the gun's useless.

870
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Speaker 2: Now you're right, that gun is useless now except for

871
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:36,119
the bayonet. So he pulls out his dueling pistols.

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Speaker 1: As previously mentioned.

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Speaker 2: That he captured in the French and Indian War.

874
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Speaker 1: Hmmm, so decade old pistols. Yep, and they probably weren't

875
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,039
brand new to that either. No kills, two more British soldiers. Boom, boom,

876
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:53,679
Two more shots, two more drops three for three the

877
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,000
efficiency alone now Joki.

878
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:02,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now he is out of ammo. So he

879
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:08,840
pulls out his French sword from King George's War and

880
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,000
is like, come fucking get me.

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00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: This was just a normal day too. He had that

882
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:19,199
on his person every single day. Yeah, just waiting for

883
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:19,679
his moment.

884
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: You're not mounting that sword. You carry that sword forever.

885
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,119
Speaker 1: Alpus neighbors like he's doing it again. Why is he

886
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:30,239
walking around like that? What a dickhead? Uh?

887
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: So he takes out his sword and he's fucking ready.

888
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,960
Unfortunately for him, these are professional soldiers and they are

889
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,519
now very ready as well. For sure, he's killed three

890
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:43,079
of their friends. These are like the best soldiers on earth.

891
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: But also like, this is a prepper of his time. Yeah,

892
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,320
doomsday of preppers. Now they have all the weapons, all

893
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,239
the food and everything they dream about society collapsing, everything

894
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,440
going to shit, so that they could actually put into

895
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,960
practice what they've prepared for all these years. Same thing,

896
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:09,039
same opportunity for this guy, he's carrying those pistols, the sword,

897
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,599
just knowing. You know, it doesn't even have to be

898
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,599
the right opportunity. He just has to be a opportunity. Yeah,

899
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,880
I'm gonna pull all this out. I can't wait for

900
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:20,360
that moment.

901
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's worth noting he's wildly outnumbered.

902
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,119
Speaker 1: Here took three out. Though he took my surprise, the

903
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:33,119
element of surprise, three out, wildly outnumbered now has a

904
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:36,440
sword in You have to imagine a gunfight yep.

905
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 2: And so he's like takes out his sword and he's like,

906
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,960
let's fucking go immediately shot in the face.

907
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:43,599
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you're gonna say, he's just started like

908
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:46,440
cutting little musket balls in half with this sword.

909
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,199
Speaker 2: One wish, Yeah, I wish what dead It was a

910
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,039
Deadpool that does that?

911
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: I think Deadpool does, but I'm sure there are other

912
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:54,119
yeah examples.

913
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,039
Speaker 2: No, no, it doesn't end that sweet.

914
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,199
Speaker 1: He shot right in the face. He has shot in

915
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:03,159
the face. Then they run up and bayonnet the fuck out.

916
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,679
Speaker 2: Of him somewhere between six and thirteen times, according to

917
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,320
different accounts.

918
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:13,599
Speaker 1: Remind me how old he is again, I'm seventy eight, okay,

919
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:21,719
and this is American Revolution seventy eight. Yeah, these are

920
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:27,679
weathered men. Yeah he's been this is his third war now, Yeah,

921
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:35,880
seventy eight in seventeen seventy five. Yeah, you look you

922
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,320
look like a like an old baseball glove.

923
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: Oh god, the I can't even imagine. I mean, you

924
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,320
would look like essentially a ninety.

925
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: Five year old today. I don't think there's a human

926
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:49,000
alive that looks the way he did.

927
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: If you want to google, there's this this guy in Asia.

928
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,079
I'm sure he's dead now, but he was like allegedly

929
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:58,639
the oldest person ever lived. Hes supposed to be like

930
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:00,920
one hundred and fifty people pretty sure it's made up,

931
00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:04,840
but like he looks like he is one hundred and fifty.

932
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you kind of return back to dirt, to the soil.

933
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you start literally looking like it, like I'm a

934
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,000
rock man. There's actually just grass growing out of your face,

935
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:17,639
like gets onto you.

936
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: You become groot.

937
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 2: So now he's bayoneted, just stabed a shit, and the

938
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,519
British are like, he just killed three of her friends.

939
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:28,280
Fuck this guy, and they just start beating him with

940
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,559
their musket butts.

941
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: After stabbing them and shooting him. He's still alive. He's

942
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,079
still alive, and they just start clubbing the fuck out

943
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:36,480
of him with.

944
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 2: The butts of their musket the hard motherfucker. So then

945
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:44,400
they're like, this old fuck is gonna die. Let them

946
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,719
let him die. Slow fuck them, and they leave him

947
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:49,360
in a pool of his own blood and just keep marching.

948
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,599
Speaker 1: Mistake, he was.

949
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 2: Found alive by colonial forces in the process of loading

950
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,280
his musket to resume the fight.

951
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: God forgives he doesn't, but they were like, yeah, old man,

952
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,159
you need a doctor.

953
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:11,039
Speaker 2: He's taken to doctor Cotton Tufts of Medford, Massachusetts with

954
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,280
a shattered cheekbone, part of his face torn away by

955
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,119
the bullet.

956
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: Did he get lodged anywhere? Go right through the bullet?

957
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,239
It just like ripped off his cheek. Okay, so yeah,

958
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,840
you're surviving that. Yeah, he didn't get domed.

959
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 2: No, he didn't get domed. He just got it like

960
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:31,440
cheek ripped off. And uh he the shattered cheekbone is

961
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,320
from a musket butt and then obviously the somewhere between

962
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,840
six and thirteen bayonets.

963
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: You know, at that age, he's probably feeling looser that

964
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,320
he got stabbed and shot. So you haven't felt this

965
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,039
this alive in years. He's lost some blood weight, he's

966
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:50,039
a little little lighter on his feet. He's a limber, yeah, exactly.

967
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,239
The doctor is like, uh, he's gonna die. Send him

968
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,800
into a suicide message. He's like, I'll do what I can,

969
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,440
but he's gonna die. The just strap him there anything,

970
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:07,920
there's no hope for survival. Let him go out on

971
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:08,440
his shield.

972
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: I agree, But he treats him as best he can,

973
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:19,320
sends him home to die.

974
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: Which he does eighteen years later. So he doesn't make

975
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,320
it to one hundred at the age of ninety six. Damn,

976
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:36,280
he's so close, I know, being he's.

977
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:38,559
Speaker 2: A seventy eight year old man, takes a bullet to

978
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:43,519
the face, takes literally, for sure, concuss to fuck from

979
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:46,880
the amount of headshots from the musket butts, and I

980
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,960
obviously stabbed a half a dozen to a dozen times.

981
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:54,159
Speaker 1: Are we sure this isn't like a demigod. I'm not.

982
00:52:55,079 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely not sure of that. His hercules, Yeah, today,

983
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,000
I'm sorry. In his later years, people would ask him about,

984
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,360
you know, what he did h and he would always

985
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,119
tell them he regretted nothing, and he would do it again.

986
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was kind of hoping he made to the

987
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,239
eighteen hundreds, but you know, you live and you learn.

988
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,920
I've been sick if he like fought in the War

989
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:26,920
of eighteen twelve too, he's like he's immortal.

990
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: Like this guy just doesn't fucking stop. Yeah, it's just

991
00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:31,840
it's like the again, it's like to the uh what,

992
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,280
I've referenced this before, but the opening scene of Wolverine, Yeah,

993
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,199
where he fights in like eight wars. It's like this

994
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,079
guy's doing the same thing, except he is aging unlike

995
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:41,760
Hugh Jackman.

996
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:45,639
Speaker 1: But his body heals, but every time he heals, he

997
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:46,559
gets older.

998
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: Older, like he is, like he ends up and non

999
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,280
but he's like one hundred and eighty years old and

1000
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,679
he's just but he's still burning of Vietnong village to

1001
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:58,079
the ground.

1002
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's just dust that is coming off them

1003
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:06,559
in all moments. Yeah, he's shedding, just not even skin cells.

1004
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:07,639
Just he's a reptilian.

1005
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he does die obviously at the age of.

1006
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,119
Speaker 1: I don't know about obviously ninety six. Yeah, that's fair.

1007
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 2: There is a monument to him in Whittamore Park, which

1008
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,119
is named for him in Arlington, Massachusetts. It commemorates the

1009
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:27,920
site of his killings.

1010
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: As it should. Yeah.

1011
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: In two thousand and five, Massachusetts State Senator Robert Havern

1012
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:41,800
the third proposed naming him Whittemore the state's official hero

1013
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,960
with annual commemorations on February third, which I believe is

1014
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:47,159
the case.

1015
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: He is Massachusetts official state hero. See on their quarter

1016
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,119
or something. No, you know, they don't have a commemorative

1017
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:56,199
quarter or coin.

1018
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: They have a well, I don't know if they made

1019
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,400
a memory corn. They have a state order, but I

1020
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,079
don't think he's on it, but he is their official

1021
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:03,559
state hero.

1022
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah why not? I mean, who else is going to

1023
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,760
be the Massachusetts state hero? There's clearly no other options.

1024
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:10,719
There is not another.

1025
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 2: No, not not Samuel or John Adams, not Paul Revere.

1026
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: They weren't about that life, no phonies. This man, this

1027
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:23,559
dude was about it to the very end, to the baby. Well,

1028
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:25,960
he don't want to hear about the stories about his nineties.

1029
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:27,079
Speaker 2: He didn't have another chance.

1030
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: I guess they sent him home. But what's he doing

1031
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,800
for it's and you're still farming? Yeah, this was seventeen

1032
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,440
seventy five. This is the first battle of the Revolution.

1033
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:39,239
Why was he not at Yorktown? M Yeah, are you

1034
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:45,679
hurt or are you injured? A lot of guys claim

1035
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,280
to be injured, not only hurt. Yeah.

1036
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: I think his wife was finally like three wars is enough?

1037
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: Gotta play through it? Do you care about your brothers

1038
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:57,920
in that locker room?

1039
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: To be fair, he didn't really have any brothers like

1040
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,119
he was did it all alone. There was no like

1041
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,840
band of brothers, like this is my buddy, we're in

1042
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:12,679
combat together. He was solo, Yeah, lone wolfing the whole time.

1043
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,559
Can you imagine you've just survived like a pretty like

1044
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:23,119
a fairly brutal battle and you're on the way home

1045
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,800
and an elderly man pops out and shoots you in

1046
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:29,320
the chest.

1047
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: I kind of can believe that. Nh yah, there's a

1048
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,440
lot of olds that are getting bodies at this point

1049
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:39,199
there are they're getting fast and loose with their guns.

1050
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 2: Dude, speaking of fast and loose with guns. I actually

1051
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,159
I wanted to tell the story in the show Toy.

1052
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,960
I was driving to with Rory in the car, and

1053
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,639
I was literally leaving my neighborhood. I was in my

1054
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:51,320
neighborhood and these two cars pulled into my neighborhood and

1055
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,880
stopped like right at the front of the neighborhood. And

1056
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,280
the one guy in the second car gets out starts

1057
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,280
coming up to the first car, and he's like and

1058
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,480
the guy in the car pulls like rolls down his

1059
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:02,440
window and like.

1060
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: Pops his head out. I was like, well, we're good,

1061
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:04,599
were good.

1062
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: And some guy's like what what, Like they're arguing. I

1063
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,400
couldn't like fully hear them, and then the other guy's like.

1064
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: Yes, Roy, I get back in your truck. And then

1065
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:12,840
because the guy starts going back to his truck, and

1066
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,880
he goes, yeah, fuck you, fuck you pussy.

1067
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: If you came up here, I would have blown your

1068
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:18,199
fucking brains out.

1069
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: I would have blown your fucking brains out, pussy.

1070
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,519
Speaker 2: I would have fucking blown your brains out, you fucking pussy.

1071
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: And this guy was seventy five.

1072
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: He was actually like younger than me.

1073
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: It was weird. He was like a bro.

1074
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: He did not look like the type.

1075
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,519
Speaker 1: Being younger than you is not a hard accomplishment, now

1076
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:38,280
I understand that, but it was like we're getting old.

1077
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,639
He was like also like, I mean, you're significantly older

1078
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:42,960
than I am. Just a like a frat bro, like

1079
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,239
a graduated frat bro who was just like literally screaming

1080
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:49,079
at this guy. I would have killed par for the

1081
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:50,960
course of a frat kid.

1082
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was like early thirties, late twenties. He

1083
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,800
was just screaming, I would have murdered you. I would

1084
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,400
have murdered you. I would have murdered you.

1085
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:06,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. To never get in fights, especially on the

1086
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:09,760
you know road rage incidents. Honking ain't worth somebody will

1087
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:10,440
establish you.

1088
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:12,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, honking is not worth it.

1089
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,519
Speaker 1: My typical move is just to be to de escalate,

1090
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,360
just be like you good, everything all right? Yeah? You

1091
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,039
having a bad day? Like does it have to get

1092
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:25,159
to this point? Why are you doing this?

1093
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,159
Speaker 2: Then you take him out for a beer. When he

1094
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:31,960
gets up to piss you drop five xan xes into

1095
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,039
his beer, and then once he's passed out, you drop

1096
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,039
him in a puddle.

1097
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: Mm hmm and go on with your day. That's full circle, baby, Yeah.

1098
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's all I got today on Samuel Whittemore,

1099
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:53,639
Massachusetts official State Hero and the Oldest Man A the

1100
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:55,719
oldest man to fight in the American Revolution, and B

1101
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,440
I have to assume the oldest man to ever get

1102
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,760
a body in an American war.

1103
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that with conviction seventy eight, you

1104
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,199
think we're topping seventy eight. I'm sure in the Civil

1105
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:12,639
War there was an eighty year old that got a body.

1106
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,239
So there was a guy at Gettysburg. I think his

1107
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,760
name was John Burns. He's by accident.

1108
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,719
Speaker 2: He was really old. He fought in the War of

1109
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:25,400
eighteen twelve. Yes, we can do an episode on him

1110
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,280
if we want.

1111
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:28,079
Speaker 1: But he was sixty to the Patreon.

1112
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: He was sixty nine at the Battle of Gettysburg.

1113
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: That's not that old compared to him. But here's what

1114
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:36,679
he looked like at sixty nine, looks at thousand.

1115
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,639
Speaker 2: We have photos of John Burns. We do looks a thousand.

1116
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: It's actually he looks good. I don't know what the

1117
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,280
fuck you're talking about. It looks great for his age.

1118
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,719
He looks weathered as shit for sixty nine. It's not

1119
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:54,400
the most detailed photo, but weathered as shit. Now, imagine

1120
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,079
that one hundred years earlier.

1121
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: Right like almost literally one hundred years earlier.

1122
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:04,199
Speaker 1: I can't imagine it's great. Uh what I mean if

1123
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:06,320
he's fighting, do you think he's still fucking at that age.

1124
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,400
He's gotta be rock hard. Like he had to have

1125
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:09,960
high tea.

1126
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the highest tea possible.

1127
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: Maybe he had a kid right before he died, like

1128
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,760
ninety he picassoed it. No, who was the uh, who's

1129
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,280
the president that had a grandson that just died that

1130
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:26,400
from the seventeen hundreds, Tyler it was Tyler.

1131
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like just died. His grandson just died.

1132
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1133
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:39,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he fucked until mid eighties minimum.

1134
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: Good good on him. His life, well lived three wars.

1135
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,599
That'll that is what anger will just get for you.

1136
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:48,519
You'll continue to.

1137
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: Live because it gives you purpose.

1138
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: More more than purpose, just the amount the pettiness will

1139
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,400
drive you to do something. Oh yeah, yeah, the mental

1140
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:05,639
The greatest men are always petty. Yeah.

1141
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: Oh, every little thing it gets them to just keep moving,

1142
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,719
keep moving. Every moment is it's the heart beating. Every

1143
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,199
moment is a slight against them, and it just keeps

1144
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:19,000
them driving. The moment they're sat, they're like a shark.

1145
01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:20,639
They can't stop swimming.

1146
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look at Chase. He's an old dickhead

1147
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:28,480
and he's he's not going anywhere. Shouts to my dog.

1148
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,199
Speaker 2: I think my fifteen year old dog is the same way.

1149
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,639
Leo has just nothing but disdain for everything around him and.

1150
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: Keeps him a lot, keeps them fucking chugging, keep on

1151
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:41,920
being to your Chase, You perfect little guy over there.

1152
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,199
What'd you learn today? All about this? I learned that

1153
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:51,920
you're just riding in my wake though. With the American Revolution, well,

1154
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,000
you were on the Patreot and I was riding ken Burns,

1155
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,519
trying to cash in on that sweet sweet seo. And

1156
01:01:57,559 --> 01:02:00,000
we gotta do it. We gotta do it on both

1157
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:04,440
both platforms. Oh, I learned about you and your cousin's

1158
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friend experimenting.

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Speaker 2: We didn't do anything that was it wasn't really an experiment.

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I mean I knew what was gonna happen. Yeah, you're right,

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experiment you don't know the results. You might you can

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guess at the results.

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Speaker 1: You can hypothesis, have a hypothesis, yeah, but try to prove.

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Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, I knew what the result would be,

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fair enough, A hot load.

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Speaker 1: Who's today's hitler? I'm gonna say the guys that just

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couldn't get the job done killing.

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Speaker 2: Him, right, No wonder they lost those fucking battles.

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Speaker 1: You shot him in the face, baydon tted him and

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then beat the shot of him with the back of

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your guns. And you just and there's many of you, right,

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you're surrounding shit ton this dude has, he's on the ground.

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What a bunch of pansy bois. Yeah, soft, soft British hands,

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absolutely soft.

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Speaker 2: I just love that. Like, I mean, it's literally a

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scene out of The Patriot like musket done, dual pistol

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done done.

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Speaker 1: But But actually, what I learned today is the greatest

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superpower is being a masshole. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an indomitable spirit.

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Speaker 1: The Northeast is just different. We're just better. We're superior beings.

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Speaker 2: I think it all goes back to.

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Speaker 1: Not in ways you want to be superior. Just works

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out that way. Yeah. No, uh, that's all I got

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for today. Check out the Patreon Patreon dot com slash

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Software history. Two additional episodes on the main feed for Patreon.

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That's five dollars a month, So those episodes drop Wednesday

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and Friday. We then have a twenty dollars tier and

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that really helps support me as this is my only

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job at the moment, and uh yeah, I could use

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some money. We do a sports show on that tier, yes,

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every week. We want to talk about slowly releasing other

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episodes on that as well, where you can only get

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the twenty dollars here. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually this this week's sports show is going to

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be a sports show is going to be a doozy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, might have to uh maybe two parted or something.

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We do a lain episode alone.

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Speaker 2: We're just gonna need to set aside like a big

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block and just we're gonna go two hours on accident.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So check out the Patreon Patreon dot com

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slas Software story. Check out the YouTube you can see

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our pretty faces. Look at the setup. We've got the

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Christmas lights going right now, we got the green in

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the back. But then I also have some lights that

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I strung up. And leave a review, please and thank you.

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On Apple and Spotify Spotify, you don't have to leave

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five star review Spotify, you.

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Speaker 2: Just click the five stars. You know, you don't have

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to write anything if.

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Speaker 1: You want, though. On Apple, it'd be really great if

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you could leave a cool and funny review. Actually maybe

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in we'll give it two weeks. In two weeks, we'll

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read some of the reviews at the end of the episode. Yeap,

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So also do some funny reviews.

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Speaker 2: Commenting on the Spotify I think helps just algorithm.

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Speaker 1: Commenting on the YouTube too. Comments comment on the YouTube here.

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We're trying to manipulate the algorithm so somebody can find us,

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hopefully one day. Otherwise we're gonna have to end up

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doing TikTok dances.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which you sick focks will probably revel in.

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Speaker 1: But you bitches want that, don't you, dirty, dirty, dirty boys.

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I'll pop top if you need me too. You've been saying,

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I know, shutters almost back to one hundred percent. Yeah,

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we're gonna start benching the next month or so.

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Speaker 2: We don't want to disappoint the people after all this time.

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Speaker 1: Minor setback, major comeback. Yeah yeah, much like the financial

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situation going on right now. Boy, did those futures I

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01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:58,599
placed in July? I didn't have the foresight that I

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would have been in the position them in now. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You don't really consider your future when you place a

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future bet. You only consider the future of the bet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, this will hit, dude. I can't wait

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to win like ten thousand dollars in six months. All right,

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you got another thought? I owe I won't say the number. Yeah,

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my parents will listen to the show.

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Speaker 2: There were long odds you have like one hundred bucks.

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Speaker 1: It's fine anyway for the episode. Thanks for tuning in.

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We love you guys for our fucks. I'm damn Rochester.

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You just gotta saw serve