Speaker 1: Clive with JT. Thanks away. Absolutely, We're in Vegas and
Speaker 1: you have such interesting ideas, and I'm trying to cover
Speaker 1: completely different random subjects so I don't get bored. And
Speaker 1: I think we're going to start with something unusual. I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you about aliens, all the alien talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the alien stuff is I think it's most interesting,
Speaker 2: like right now, because you know, of course we have
Speaker 2: like this summer drops, we have all the Epstein stuff
Speaker 2: obviously coming up in the you know, the full release
Speaker 2: or whatever they quote unquote The full release of the
Speaker 2: Epstein Files came out, you know, a.
Speaker 1: Couple of months ago, which is only half of them.
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, it is nowhere near I mean, actually,
Speaker 2: the interesting part is I want to say that if
Speaker 2: you just tucking pages, I think they say, like the
Speaker 2: Epstein Files is probably about six million ish pages, seven
Speaker 2: million pages. But as far as data goes, they're saying
Speaker 2: it's they released like two percent.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. And even the stuff they've released is so damning.
Speaker 1: Imagine what they haven't.
Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing is so working in any kind
Speaker 2: of digital media, like when they were describing how much
Speaker 2: data it was, So I want to say that so
Speaker 2: two percent is of two percent of fourteen I think
Speaker 2: what fourteen point six terabytes of information? So if you
Speaker 2: think about like a podcast we might record today, it
Speaker 2: might be I don't know, eight gigabytes, ten gigabytes. You're
Speaker 2: talking about this Epstein file represents like fourteen thousand gigabytes
Speaker 2: for almost fifteen thousand gigabytes. So the thing like that
Speaker 2: you kind of get right away, or you should get,
Speaker 2: is we're talking about as lots of videos because you're
Speaker 2: thinking about because if it was just pictures and documents emails,
Speaker 2: there was no way you would it wouldn't There's no
Speaker 2: way you could take up them by say they releave like.
Speaker 1: Half of the doc like the papers, but not the videos.
Speaker 2: So what's so the thing is you got to think
Speaker 2: there's what a lot of people believe is of course
Speaker 2: there's cameras all over.
Speaker 1: Well, he did have cameras all over it, and it
Speaker 1: goes there's a between him and Edmund and Broock whatever
Speaker 1: he was the next Prime minister Israel about where they
Speaker 1: could do it remotely, the system on and off, and
Speaker 1: they were installing all these little cameras all over. This
Speaker 1: was the New York place. But I would assume probably
Speaker 1: all of them. Again, that's about the assumptions, but I
Speaker 1: would assume they never searched. Were a ranch, right, This
Speaker 1: were a ranch. Very that's where the darkest stuff happened.
Speaker 1: Very suspicious, very suspicious.
Speaker 2: But but all that being said, it was interesting when
Speaker 2: all this stuff was really kind of just going around
Speaker 2: the internet and X and everybody's talking about it. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Barack Obama comes out on this podcast.
Speaker 2: They're like no one's ever heard of and it's like
Speaker 2: it's just like it was. It was built just to
Speaker 2: be a SoundBite. Yeah, Like he's saying that. The guy asked,
Speaker 2: what do you think about aliens? Then he's like, I
Speaker 2: believe they're real, and then he says he hasn't seen them,
Speaker 2: and then he tries to say, oh, it's it's not
Speaker 2: like what people think. They're not necessarily kept under Area
Speaker 2: fifty one, some secret underground military base. And then of
Speaker 2: course then he follows up by saying, so, what was
Speaker 2: the thing that you wanted to know when you became president?
Speaker 1: He's like, are there aliens?
Speaker 2: And then so the guy drops like you know, so
Speaker 2: like it's kind of like if you had Obama on
Speaker 2: the podcast, and you get him to say something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so why follow ups?
Speaker 2: Obviously you used to be like the follow up the
Speaker 2: natural file would be like, so why do you think
Speaker 2: that they're real?
Speaker 1: Like what makes you believe that they are? Did he not?
Speaker 2: Like, no, he just dropped it out, just like I
Speaker 2: said it was it was. It seemed like it was
Speaker 2: put out of there.
Speaker 1: It's either a terrible interviewer or it's BS. Probably BS,
Speaker 1: because why is Obama going on this podcast? Well? What
Speaker 1: is interesting that now they're pushing they're telling us, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're aliens, it's real. That makes me less likely to
Speaker 1: believe it.
Speaker 2: Well, right, so that's what I'm saying. The timing of it,
Speaker 2: and then I want to say it was either the
Speaker 2: next day or two days later. Trump's getting asked about
Speaker 2: it on Air Force One, saying, oh, did you hear
Speaker 2: what Obama said about the aliens? And he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, he's in really big trouble. You know it
Speaker 2: was classified. He was saying inturaction, like what part of it? Like,
Speaker 2: what what part of what he said was classified? That's
Speaker 2: the confusing part because like he just sang he believes
Speaker 2: they're real, but he hasn't seen them, and they're not
Speaker 2: in area fifty one, so it is the classified part
Speaker 2: that that they actually are in area fifty one, Like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't yeah right, that's the whole point, was it.
Speaker 2: It just seemed like this was put in here potentially
Speaker 2: for a distraction against the Epstein stuff, and then you
Speaker 2: have obviously them shortly after this where at war with Iran.
Speaker 2: And the hilarious thing was we played on my podcast
Speaker 2: recently this clip. There was a show back in the
Speaker 2: day called The Whitest Kids you Know, and it had
Speaker 2: the guy who used to be like the main guy
Speaker 2: on the actor of the show or the comedian Trevor Moore.
Speaker 1: He's one of the.
Speaker 2: Guys who's died mysteriously. There was this skit they did
Speaker 2: a while back where he's playing the president and you
Speaker 2: have like he has like the press Corps asked him
Speaker 2: questions and he's talking about their secret moon base and
Speaker 2: how it was taken over by bears with motorcycles and guns,
Speaker 2: and he was saying that they might be in some
Speaker 2: intern like uh like universal drug cartel with the Alliance
Speaker 2: of Wizards, and so the press corps like getting like
Speaker 2: this is crazy, and then but the one one, the
Speaker 2: one reporter eventually asked him do we just invade Iran?
Speaker 2: And then then he pauses and he's like, you got me,
Speaker 2: and you're like that that's real, Like that's real, that's.
Speaker 1: Right now relevant, that's literally what we're talking.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So he revealed a lot of stuff, but
Speaker 2: I mean, to me, it's I think more people are
Speaker 2: quick to pointing out. Now I want to say, Sean Ryan,
Speaker 2: he was. He had this explicit ray tirade talking about
Speaker 2: like you're going to talk about aliens right now?
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Like that's what you want us to
Speaker 1: talk about. Yeah, It's like I don't know, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure aliens have always been interesting, but you start
Speaker 1: realizing it's kind of a sigh off and maybe aliens
Speaker 1: were actually something else. Yeah, I mean I kind of
Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that aliens, I don't know in europeanion,
Speaker 1: I feel like they might be like interdimensional or demons.
Speaker 2: Now, I think that a lot of the phenomenon could
Speaker 2: be explained by supernatural things like you you have like that,
Speaker 2: you know, angels can manifest physically in our spirits. Demons obviously,
Speaker 2: they could make people believe that they saw aliens or
Speaker 2: maybe they potentially abducted. But I think it's really interesting
Speaker 2: if you go away back to kind of where we
Speaker 2: get a lot of this come from, is that you know,
Speaker 2: aliens was is like a relatively like new idea. They
Speaker 2: probably would have been established and like you know, like
Speaker 2: with the War of the World. So when that book
Speaker 2: came out and then eventually it goes to that radio
Speaker 2: program where supposedly orson Wells and then fake everybody freaks
Speaker 2: out because they think that there's actual an alien invasion.
Speaker 2: But there's where was a really interesting book from the
Speaker 2: nineties by this author, Bill Cooper, and he called it
Speaker 2: Behold a Pale Horse. And so the whole basically the
Speaker 2: gist of this book is is revealing all this stuff
Speaker 2: that they have like through classified information about about the
Speaker 2: alien phenomenon being real. When you get to the end
Speaker 2: of the book, you know, it's kind of twist at
Speaker 2: the end, is he realized it's all bs. It's like
Speaker 2: it's an effort for the government that is eventually going
Speaker 2: to fake an alien invasion in order to you know,
Speaker 2: consolidate more power and.
Speaker 1: More power don't even have a name for that, like
Speaker 1: Project Blue Beam.
Speaker 2: Well, Project Bluebeam. People associate that with this, and it's possible.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Project Blue Beam is the idea that
Speaker 2: potentially they might have some kind of holographic image of something,
Speaker 2: so like.
Speaker 1: You know, just getting better now where they could do that.
Speaker 2: We're through, you know, it's actually interesting. There was a
Speaker 2: Spider Man movie I want to say it was I
Speaker 2: think it was Far from Home. And so the villain
Speaker 2: in that Spider Man movie was named Mysterio and in
Speaker 2: the movie he set to like he wants to replace
Speaker 2: Iron Man as like the hero, and so he's fighting
Speaker 2: against like a fake threat in order to be the hero.
Speaker 2: So how he does it in the movie is that
Speaker 2: he's got a bunch of drones going together with like
Speaker 2: making holograms. So it's like it they can actually do
Speaker 2: physical things, but like whatever the image of the thing
Speaker 2: he's fighting is is not real. So so that idea
Speaker 2: is actually believe it or not, the CIA actually floated
Speaker 2: an idea. I want to say it was Forgive Me,
Speaker 2: but I think it was Project Mongoose, And it has
Speaker 2: something to do with them trying to depose Castro in Cuba.
Speaker 1: I've heard of them on the Guest, but I don't
Speaker 1: need to. There's there's so many of it's hard to
Speaker 1: keep track, right, I've heard that term that could be that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But what they were going to do was they
Speaker 2: literally that you can look this up. They potentially or
Speaker 2: they talked about the potential to fake the second Coming
Speaker 2: of Christ and they were like literally going to like
Speaker 2: you know, project Jesus coming down. They were going to
Speaker 2: use like these wife when I say they were stars,
Speaker 2: shellf flares, they were going to use like a loud speaker,
Speaker 2: and they were going to get Jesus to tell the
Speaker 2: Cuban people to revolt against Castro whenever throw their government
Speaker 2: like that, Like that is an actual thing that the
Speaker 2: CIA was trying to do.
Speaker 1: No, people say the government does stuff now they don't
Speaker 1: believe it. You can look at the insane stuff they've
Speaker 1: done in the past. This is the stuff that we
Speaker 1: know they've done. Sure, there's lot of stuff they've got
Speaker 1: away with well, you know, like the mk Ultra is
Speaker 1: a good example which the mind control where they would
Speaker 1: torture people, drug people without them knowing it. Lots of
Speaker 1: people think that might have been connected with like Manton,
Speaker 1: and there's some reasons why I think it's not random,
Speaker 1: like the guys that were involved with that were like
Speaker 1: in the hate Ashbury in that time. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like, so there's that the government's done so many
Speaker 1: bad things they talked out. I mean, I think in
Speaker 1: the Vietnam more they bombed one of our ships to
Speaker 1: get in there. They talked about it. Back to Cuba,
Speaker 1: they talked about bombing ash An America. I think maybe
Speaker 1: a plane or something, and JFK wouldn't sign off on it.
Speaker 1: So the CIA was mad at him along with Massage,
Speaker 1: and then he got off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say, gosh, what was there was? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of all the different operations. I
Speaker 2: think it's Operation Northwoods where they where they were going
Speaker 2: to attack. Yeah, I want to say it was either
Speaker 2: a ship or a base. The detail that they would
Speaker 2: attack something American and blame it. They were going to
Speaker 2: blame it on them to justify you know, it's a
Speaker 2: false flag attack. So if you think about like Operation
Speaker 2: Northwards and then you compare it to like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like September eleventh, Yeah, exactly, Like is that potentially like
Speaker 2: to me, I think that was a false flag. Well,
Speaker 2: the thing is, like what you're saying though, is that
Speaker 2: when people talk about quote unquote conspiracies like this is
Speaker 2: like a like this is like if you through freedom
Speaker 2: of information acts, you can actually read these documents.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It as crazy as it all sounds, it's like they
Speaker 2: wrote it down literally, it's like comes from the government.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean a good example is we caught Israel.
Speaker 1: They is false flag attacks in Egypt attacking America and
Speaker 1: in Britain because they were trying to get America to
Speaker 1: go to war with Egypt. This is uh, what's what
Speaker 1: that one's called a levant affair? That Yeah, I looked
Speaker 1: that up. This is like known. So there's lots of
Speaker 1: these false flags, so lots of them probably get through.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I remember was it. Jesse Ventura famously
Speaker 2: went on Pierce Morgan and he was saying like that
Speaker 2: every war has been started based on some kind of
Speaker 2: a false flag attack. I think the interesting.
Speaker 1: Start we didn't even but we didn't even sell it.
Speaker 2: I thought that was I was actually gonna say that.
Speaker 2: I said, I think it's really interesting that they didn't
Speaker 2: even bother.
Speaker 1: Easy to me, like before, we've always like the Iraq war.
Speaker 1: I remember they sold it for a year. It still
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Speaker 1: one they didn't even sell. I think when he bombed it, it
Speaker 1: was like twenty five percent of people supported it. You know,
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Speaker 2: No, they didn't even they didn't even care. But but no,
Speaker 2: it's interesting though, idea to go back to the alien stuff.
Speaker 2: But I think it's interesting. So the idea of them
Speaker 2: potentially faking something, so it's kind of like you can
Speaker 2: do two things at once. Obviously they can use this
Speaker 2: idea to distract people. But then it is like it's
Speaker 2: it's something that they want to keep in the public
Speaker 2: sphere just like so people keep paying attention to it.
Speaker 2: So like, Okay, so Trump's potentially going to talk about
Speaker 2: UAP and UFOs. But what's interesting is that, so you
Speaker 2: have this book talking about the potential sy up of
Speaker 2: eventually an alien invasion. Well, Warner von Braun, who was
Speaker 2: like the one of the Nazi scientists who was responsible
Speaker 2: for the V two rockets, and he came over during
Speaker 2: the operation Paper Club. Now if you believe in the
Speaker 2: moon landing, he's one of the main guys who got
Speaker 2: us there. And his assistant said in the seventies that
Speaker 2: he was explaining to her all the big sye ups
Speaker 2: that the military industrial complex was going to use. The
Speaker 2: first one he was talking about was the Cold War
Speaker 2: between Russia. The second was going to be terrorism from
Speaker 2: the Third World. Third was going to be like basically
Speaker 2: some kind of cosmic threat like asteroids or comments or
Speaker 2: some things like that.
Speaker 1: Climate change could be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, potentially, and then but the last card that they
Speaker 2: were to play was the alien card. And so it's
Speaker 2: all based on the idea that you know, in military
Speaker 2: industrial complex. They're going to justify like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like a space force, Like you know, so we have
Speaker 2: a space force, we have all the while well I
Speaker 2: mean everybody even forgets that that's like basically a new
Speaker 2: branch of the military, and like what like.
Speaker 1: What do they even do? What do they do? It's
Speaker 1: just more money laundering probably, I think that.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is just that. It's
Speaker 2: just as simple as that, as the fact that when
Speaker 2: they now have different UAP departments in the government, more
Speaker 2: money to throw around. It's just I mean, I think
Speaker 2: it's I think mostly it's all a scam. The some
Speaker 2: of the stuff coming out from this guy named lu
Speaker 2: Alzondo is the main face of like the UAP stuff
Speaker 2: on the news, and this guy was involved for counterintelligence
Speaker 2: at the Pentagon. His job is literally trying to protect
Speaker 2: our own secrets. But he's the one who's revealing all
Speaker 2: this stuff. So it's likely the stuff that he's saying.
Speaker 1: Is trust the government and there is interesting stuff out there.
Speaker 1: Wait real quick, I want to go since you mentioned
Speaker 1: moon landing or do you think we did or no? Yeah,
Speaker 1: see I used to think we did. Now I leaned
Speaker 1: I don't have a strong opinionbody leaned towards We didn't
Speaker 1: because it's like when you actually start looking at the evidence,
Speaker 1: it's like even even I had a Ohen Benjamin and
Speaker 1: was it Spencer, Richard Spencer, who's anti conspiracy theory, he
Speaker 1: thought I thought each other. I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: when I throw these guys together and see what happened?
Speaker 1: They got along great because he was already grown about
Speaker 1: the conspiracies, but only just kept making so much Spence
Speaker 1: that Spencer was just like, fuck, man, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you got like you're making some good points. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The moonlighting stuff is just it's ridiculous. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: honestly ridiculous to go.
Speaker 1: Now they say, like we we could go in this
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine look a much better technology? Is it everything? Now?
Speaker 1: We can't. What's a few of the things they say
Speaker 1: they taped over the tapes, Like, come.
Speaker 2: On, well, they supposedly destroyed the tapes, they destroyed the
Speaker 2: telemetry data. We wouldn't do that the technology altogether. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't even really know what it means when they
Speaker 2: say we destroyed the.
Speaker 1: Technology, destroy technology, and if we did, we could rebuild it.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is so what people some say that
Speaker 2: the reason it's difficult to get there, I mean, besides
Speaker 2: obviously the very obvious it's far away. But but they
Speaker 2: talk about something called the Van Allen Belt. So there's
Speaker 2: this belt of radiation that it basically would ruin anything
Speaker 2: that goes through it, and right, it would obviously it
Speaker 2: affect kill the astronauts, right, And somehow they were able
Speaker 2: to solve this problem in the sixties and in the
Speaker 2: early seventies. But yet like that's not recorded anywhere. They like,
Speaker 2: how did they do it?
Speaker 1: Then they don't even explain it. Huh No.
Speaker 2: So that's like it's like a it's like a major
Speaker 2: issue now. And and I kind of wonder like the
Speaker 2: way that when people say, oh, like, how could a
Speaker 2: conspiracy like that actually work because there were so many
Speaker 2: people would have to be in on it. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's I don't think it's like that because I
Speaker 2: think it's very.
Speaker 1: Compartmentalized exactly exactlyized things.
Speaker 2: Right, So there might be actual really like well meaning
Speaker 2: scientists saying oh, well, there's this thing, this phenomenon has
Speaker 2: been out belt and we can't get past it. And
Speaker 2: then but they don't bother to say, well, how did
Speaker 2: we do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do they say? How we do? They don't
Speaker 1: even mention that, huh.
Speaker 2: No, they ignore it. And the thing is when you
Speaker 2: think about just even the idea of all that radiation,
Speaker 2: like you have all this like all the filmmaking equipment
Speaker 2: and stuff like that that's going through all this windness
Speaker 2: kind of ruined when they ruin everything.
Speaker 1: Well, also look back of the technology, was there was
Speaker 1: no like lag on the they ad a live screening,
Speaker 1: there was like, wasn't there a wind on the flag?
Speaker 1: But there's no wind on the Moon.
Speaker 2: It was like, well, you can clearly see the flag
Speaker 2: flipping and flapping like there's like it's in the breeze.
Speaker 2: The other thing is, of course when they get to
Speaker 2: the Moon, there's you can never see any stars, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's completely pitch black. Now what they try to
Speaker 2: say is that it's because it's like during the daytime
Speaker 2: when they're there, but of course you see what we
Speaker 2: see is the Earth all lit up, super bright and
Speaker 2: probably not proportionally the right size because you really think
Speaker 2: about if you're on the moon, how big would the
Speaker 2: Earth actually look from that vantage point?
Speaker 1: When they made.
Speaker 2: They made the Earth only basically appears maybe slightly bigger
Speaker 2: than the moon appears to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bigger than the moon. I would think you would
Speaker 1: think it would take it would take up the right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: There's but there's a there's a number of things that
Speaker 2: just it makes no sense. And but if people want
Speaker 2: to like walk you but then you actually look into it,
Speaker 2: it does it. You know, we can't go there now
Speaker 2: they destroy There's just so like a dozen holes.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just like part of the mood names.
Speaker 1: There's just so many things that don't add up. Well.
Speaker 2: The truth is that you have to almost kind of
Speaker 2: put it back on the people. And this is what
Speaker 2: this is what I like to do, kind of like
Speaker 2: when we discuss a lot of conspiracies, like what it's like,
Speaker 2: why do you actually believe in the first place? I mean,
Speaker 2: so the way that reason I would have believed it
Speaker 2: for a while is if, for one, they told me
Speaker 2: we did in school. For two, they got video of it, right,
Speaker 2: we got video of the spaceship, we got video from
Speaker 2: the moon. But then when you start to examine some
Speaker 2: of the video and you're like this looks really, this
Speaker 2: looks really ridiculous. Honestly, this stuff looks looks dumb, and yeah,
Speaker 2: the stuff where Richard Nixon is talking to them from
Speaker 2: his Oval office, He's literally got a picture of the
Speaker 2: Moon in the background, or the picture of picture of
Speaker 2: the Moon with Earth in the distance as he's talking
Speaker 2: to the people on the moon. And I guess when
Speaker 2: I thought about hi, I'm like, wait, a man, there's
Speaker 2: a landline talking to the moon.
Speaker 1: I thought this is really stupid esctually in nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 2: But I mean, the truth is like the whole thing,
Speaker 2: like with almost everything that involves space, Like why if why,
Speaker 2: if all this stuff is real, why do we see
Speaker 2: composite pictures of Earth Like it's not real, Like they're
Speaker 2: all basically stitched together. And they talk about how they
Speaker 2: have to photoshop in all the clouds and they can't
Speaker 2: take a real picture. When you see satellites in space,
Speaker 2: they are all fake, they're all they're all CGI. So
Speaker 2: the real question be, well, if it's if this is
Speaker 2: all real, why do you need to fake anything? Like
Speaker 2: why do you need to use a fish eye lench
Speaker 2: when you get up like to quote the ISS, like
Speaker 2: why are you using that kind of lens? To make
Speaker 2: everything look curved, you know, like there's the questions that
Speaker 2: just just come up, like like why do you believe
Speaker 2: what you believe? And when you examine that, when you
Speaker 2: when you examine the evidence, you're like, I don't know
Speaker 2: that that that's actually worthy of accepting the narrative.
Speaker 1: It was never a conspiracy theorist until I start like
Speaker 1: actually start digging looking at things, or you talk conspiracy
Speaker 1: theorists instead of just ignoring them, be like, okay, let's
Speaker 1: look at their points. And you're a lot of times,
Speaker 1: of course there's something that don't make sense, but a
Speaker 1: lot of times they do and want to look at
Speaker 1: Look at the thing that flew up there, that's the
Speaker 1: shift the flu to the moon. That thing is like
Speaker 1: this clinky like come on, that would have fallen apart.
Speaker 2: The yes, like the module that came down it looks
Speaker 2: like it was made a tinfoil.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the crazy thing is supposed like they've got part
Speaker 2: of the rocket that they're gonna fly back and it's
Speaker 2: going to lift off and then eventually come together and
Speaker 2: then they're going to fly back to Earth. But the
Speaker 2: funny thing is like, so I want to say it
Speaker 2: was one of the last times they supposedly went. That's
Speaker 2: where you get that video of like them, it's showing
Speaker 2: the it's showing like the lunar modules and then eventually
Speaker 2: it pans up and watches it go off into the distance.
Speaker 2: And NASA says that somebody did that with their real
Speaker 2: control from Houston, like on the moon they were they
Speaker 2: were controlling it with something something, some kind of apparatus
Speaker 2: from Houston to get the shot of them leaving, and
Speaker 2: it it's like at their sole kinds of sparkles and stuff,
Speaker 2: and it.
Speaker 1: Looks it's it's like preposterous.
Speaker 2: I think most times, like as you said, the only
Speaker 2: reason we really believed is because we never really looked
Speaker 2: into it. We've never questioned it because now, of course
Speaker 2: we questioned everything.
Speaker 1: Now I trust the experts until COVID came along, and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is bullshit. And I haven't even
Speaker 1: looked into like flat earth because if that's a lie,
Speaker 1: everything's a lie. So I don't even want to go
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. You look into everything and it
Speaker 2: is it's like, I mean, it was funny. I see
Speaker 2: an Owen benjment on Owen Benjamin's like his uh I
Speaker 2: think he's got like a five or six minute video
Speaker 2: where he's showing like the progression he got to become
Speaker 2: like a flat earther, and he's like he's going through
Speaker 2: like all the stages of grief and it's it's actually
Speaker 2: pretty funny, but I mean.
Speaker 1: It's that's the time I was hanging with Eddie Bravo.
Speaker 1: What he say. He goes, Yeah, man, I'm crazy because
Speaker 1: I don't believe that we're spinning around going like a
Speaker 1: hundred million miles whatever it is, miles and miles hundred
Speaker 1: million miles an hour through space, spinning on a ball. Like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm the crazy one. You're like, Okay, that's an interesting
Speaker 1: uh yeah perspective.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I I you know, I believe
Speaker 2: in biblical cosmology. I believe what the Bible says about it.
Speaker 2: I do believe in a firment. I think what is
Speaker 2: interesting about like the helocentric model. I think most people
Speaker 2: don't even really know what it is. I think that's
Speaker 2: what most reason why they accept it. And I think
Speaker 2: what Eddie Bravo is talking about is that if you
Speaker 2: actually see a model or like a like an illustration
Speaker 2: of what the science says we're doing. It is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I mean, like literally it's unbelievable because we're talking about like.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous the way he said it. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe you have a good point that maybe.
Speaker 2: You're it's like the idea that everything is hurling through space,
Speaker 2: so like our galaxy is going through space. You have
Speaker 2: us going around the Sun. So like, so the Earth
Speaker 2: is spinning at one thousand miles an hour, we don't
Speaker 2: perceive it, but then it's going I want to say,
Speaker 2: around the Sun at probably sixty something thousand miles. Now
Speaker 2: we're maybe sixty six thousand miles an hour, and then
Speaker 2: the whole galaxy is going I think, like a million
Speaker 2: miles an hour.
Speaker 1: But then when you see the course, it's it's a
Speaker 1: flying spinning ho.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's you see the cork screwing and
Speaker 2: and I gues said, I don't think most people know that.
Speaker 2: That's what they say. They just know the Earth supposedly
Speaker 2: spins around the Sun. Now, the thing that really kind
Speaker 2: of tripped me out when I was starting to look
Speaker 2: into some of that stuff is like the concept of
Speaker 2: the zodiac. Okay, so how does the zodiac work?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: That these things basically show us what season we're in
Speaker 2: and they work all the time, right, it's they work perfect.
Speaker 1: You used to use that to travel on sea and everything,
Speaker 1: so I don't know that's what works. But people had
Speaker 1: deep understanding of it where they could travel around to
Speaker 1: different countries.
Speaker 2: Well yeah they could, uh, they could use the celestial
Speaker 2: objects to to to navigate the nautical navigation precise. But
Speaker 2: the thing is, so when you think about the concept
Speaker 2: of like the zodiac or just the heavens, you have
Speaker 2: the north Star, right, and the north Star never moves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's sort just stays and everything spins around the north Star.
Speaker 1: So why what's the explanation for that? I never thought
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: Supposedly we're angled tilted and we're it's really far away,
Speaker 2: but it so we don't notice it.
Speaker 1: Movement doesn't appear to move. Right.
Speaker 2: So but if you think all together, okay, so if
Speaker 2: we're all spinning and the galaxy's moving, right, if you
Speaker 2: think about the concept, well then the other stars would
Speaker 2: be moving too, right, they don't, and we're moving, they're moving.
Speaker 2: But if you go all the way back to ancient Egypt,
Speaker 2: there's what's called the Dandero zodiac. It's I want to
Speaker 2: say that people estimated it's about four thousand years old. Okay,
Speaker 2: So with that concept in mind, their constellations on this
Speaker 2: ancient zodiac are the same ones we have today. And
Speaker 2: so if you think about it, if we're all moving,
Speaker 2: how come the same constellations remain they don't change?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be switching.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine if like you're like you're driving in
Speaker 2: a car, You're going down the highway and you have
Speaker 2: rows of trees close to you, and then you have
Speaker 2: rows of trees that are further away. Well, based on
Speaker 2: their spatial alignment, they're going to appear to move based
Speaker 2: on how fast you're going. So like the ones that
Speaker 2: are obviously closer you do, they're going to be moving
Speaker 2: faster and these ones are going to be moving much slower.
Speaker 2: So the constellations have not changed, like even like moving
Speaker 2: closer further away through you, they should change. So that
Speaker 2: to me was was like just lines up what the
Speaker 2: Bible says about how that the earth is stable things
Speaker 2: tat around.
Speaker 1: The old math was done that way. You think our ancestors,
Speaker 1: like pretty much all the different countries put like insane
Speaker 1: amounts of like studying and stuff into the stars. He
Speaker 1: kind of ignored that.
Speaker 2: Now, well it was I mean, just think about it.
Speaker 2: If what the Bible describes in Genesis when fourteen, it
Speaker 2: says that God put the sun, the moon, and the
Speaker 2: lights or the stars in the sky for signs number one.
Speaker 2: So if you think about signs, he's talking about basically
Speaker 2: like like the what they call it in the Hebrew
Speaker 2: cosmology call it the Masarath. That's basically just another name
Speaker 2: for the zodiac. So he says he put him in
Speaker 2: there for signs for seasons, for days, and for years.
Speaker 2: So it's basically describing as the heaven. Heaven is a clock,
Speaker 2: so keep track of time, and so it should be
Speaker 2: able to tell you all those different ways to judge time.
Speaker 2: And then of course, if you think about some of
Speaker 2: the megalists around the world, they're set up based perfect
Speaker 2: they're set up based on energy that cosma.
Speaker 1: Wonder and we don't pay that attention to it, but
Speaker 1: they clearly thought it was so important and they had
Speaker 1: so much time and energy into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have markers that are set up for the
Speaker 2: solstices because because everything makes sense, that meant well, they
Speaker 2: need to know when to plant, they need to know
Speaker 2: when to it's it's about their harvest. You know. There's
Speaker 2: that that our seasons are based on when you do
Speaker 2: certain things like when spring is, when summer is, when
Speaker 2: fall is, like when winter. You have to know those
Speaker 2: things in order to feed yourself, you know. So like
Speaker 2: it's something that God had set up. So yeah, they
Speaker 2: made these markers to be able to keep track of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like literally life or death. You're not doing
Speaker 1: that right. Well. Actually, once you go into farming versus
Speaker 1: hunting gathering, and they say, originally they say we weren't
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred gatherers. I think they say we
Speaker 1: went civilization like six thousand years ago, But if you
Speaker 1: look back in Turkey, they've now uncovered how do you
Speaker 1: pronounce it? Twelve thousand years ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again that's like that's a man's best guess.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody could really determine, like if
Speaker 2: it was six thousand or ten thousand years old. I
Speaker 2: mean I would say biblically, we've probably somewhere around six thousand,
Speaker 2: seven thousand years.
Speaker 1: It's been only like seven thousand years year of view.
Speaker 2: I guess the truth is like it's it's hard to
Speaker 2: say exactly how much, but I would say biblically we
Speaker 2: really only have like a The only way you could
Speaker 2: really kind of do the math would be like Adam
Speaker 2: to Jesus. Now, the interesting part from like I know
Speaker 2: we talked about it before I could say that, I
Speaker 2: could tell you I believe what it says from Adam
Speaker 2: to Jesus. It was this many years now the truth
Speaker 2: be told. I can't tell you how many years it's
Speaker 2: been from Jesus to now though, because because I'm a
Speaker 2: little fuzzy on the years in between things like together, No.
Speaker 1: You start realizing you can't trust the experts of the
Speaker 1: history and like almost like the book nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 1: they rewrite things, redo it. It's unfortunate reality because I
Speaker 1: just I think there's definitely lost civilizations. Now how I
Speaker 1: don't have a strong opinion on how long they were,
Speaker 1: but seeing like having seen going and seeing some of
Speaker 1: this like rock work in foreign countries, like you know,
Speaker 1: perfect example was prove that's that stuff you know it
Speaker 1: looked at it or that was not built by like
Speaker 1: the people that were there when the Spanish came, Yes,
Speaker 1: we boilt it, we don't know. It's amazing rock work
Speaker 1: and some of the Egyptian stuff and stuff like Turkey,
Speaker 1: if Turkey had all kinds of create underground cities like
Speaker 1: cat like crazy castles, probably the mountains, Like you don't
Speaker 1: really we don't read about Turkey history that much, but
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff we don't know about. I was there,
Speaker 1: Like they don't even know who made it.
Speaker 2: No, for sure, you know it's interesting. So I started
Speaker 2: reading this book called American Antiquities and Discoveries in the
Speaker 2: West by Joseiah Priest. So it's a reprint of a
Speaker 2: eighteen thirty three book, and it's talking from the sense
Speaker 2: of they they're discovering things around kind of Mississippi Valley,
Speaker 2: all the mounds and weird things in America, and it's
Speaker 2: theorizing how they got there. And the truth is from
Speaker 2: a eighteen thirty three perspective. It's like they don't have
Speaker 2: like established history books like we have now where they're saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is the facts, Jake, like you believe this or
Speaker 2: you're a crazy person like me. But back then it
Speaker 2: was normal to speculate about it because nobody really knew. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: so they find all these mounds, and I said, I
Speaker 2: thought the really interesting thing was that this guy wasn't
Speaker 2: necessarily coming to the conclusion that I'm that popped in
Speaker 2: my head is lost civilization, A lot of civilizations like
Speaker 2: you're talking about. Is that what he was saying that
Speaker 2: there's hundreds of thousands of mounds in America and lots
Speaker 2: of them have you know, remains of humans in them,
Speaker 2: or maybe giant humans. But they have them all throughout
Speaker 2: like the Mississippi River up and down the Mystieper River
Speaker 2: from like Ohio down like tons around Missouri. And so
Speaker 2: what this guy, Josiah Priest, was saying that, based on
Speaker 2: the Native American populations that were described when the Europeans
Speaker 2: got there, it could not justify all those amounts of
Speaker 2: mounds and all the bodies that would have been in
Speaker 2: the mounds. And so this was just me. This might
Speaker 2: be a morbid thought, but I was like, why would
Speaker 2: you ever need to bury people in a mound? To me,
Speaker 2: it seems like, is this like a purge?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because you really think about it, you killed so many people,
Speaker 2: like you didn't have time to dig holes and put
Speaker 2: them in. You buried them after they were a big pile.
Speaker 1: Of mass purge. Oh yeah, we just don't really know
Speaker 1: the history well at all, right, because it could go
Speaker 1: far beyond what we think. Yeah. The problem is, I
Speaker 1: think with science history experts, once someone says an idea, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to question it. This guy says that.
Speaker 1: But then that was just some random guy before you
Speaker 1: that came up with the theory. If you don't realize,
Speaker 1: but once it's the theory that's in books, you're not
Speaker 1: supposed to question it. Yeah, on it.
Speaker 2: Once it's put in a history book, now it's a fact.
Speaker 2: But I mean that just some other guy that came
Speaker 2: up with that. People don't realize it was just like, well,
Speaker 2: that's that's what I think. That's That was one of
Speaker 2: the things that always bothered me the most was that
Speaker 2: that they present theories like their facts, because it's it's
Speaker 2: like the theory of gravity, the theory of evolution, like,
Speaker 2: but they're taught like their facts, when no, they're anything
Speaker 2: butt facts. They're theories, but they're presented to people and
Speaker 2: if you don't tell them it's a theory, well then
Speaker 2: they're naturally going to think that they're facts. Now, what's
Speaker 2: interesting in that book. It was also describing that the
Speaker 2: people that were here when the Europeans got here, they
Speaker 2: were every complexion basically under God's God's you know, God's
Speaker 2: green earth. So well, well, the point is, I guess
Speaker 2: nat American really doesn't describe anything other than they were
Speaker 2: here first. But it was saying that there were olive
Speaker 2: colored people, tawny colored people, copper colored people, there was
Speaker 2: black people like Africa, it was saying there was white
Speaker 2: people here. And so that's it's a very different perspective.
Speaker 2: It's like what we would have thought. But it only
Speaker 2: makes sense is that that the people who created pyramids
Speaker 2: around here and did lots of things, and I have
Speaker 2: theories about things being here.
Speaker 1: Longer advanced cultures than we were thought.
Speaker 2: These people who could do great things over in America,
Speaker 2: you know, over in Europe and Africa and Asia, they
Speaker 2: could get here on boats.
Speaker 1: They could they could have gotten here on boats, like
Speaker 1: there was an international society. Absolutely, that's how it seems,
Speaker 1: because there was too many similarities that they all cared about,
Speaker 1: the alignments, they all had the same, like the serpent.
Speaker 1: Just too many similarities for it not to be You
Speaker 1: mentioned giants earlier. There was hundreds of newspaper articles claiming
Speaker 1: to have found giant bones all across America, and now
Speaker 1: that's just been disappeared. Conspiracy theorists like hundreds, if not
Speaker 1: thousands of newspapers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there was, Yeah, in some of those mounds
Speaker 2: they discovered giant skeletons. And yeah, the Smithsonian, who's supposed
Speaker 2: to be responsible for I guess preserving history is like
Speaker 2: directly like destroying it. I mean, there was a really
Speaker 2: famous story, even not that many years ago, where they
Speaker 2: dumped fifty I want to say, fifty thousand tons or
Speaker 2: maybe it's not fifty thousands, fifty tons of mammoth bones
Speaker 2: into the Hudson River.
Speaker 1: Why indeed, why like.
Speaker 2: Something so so a family from from Alaska donated these
Speaker 2: bones and they dumped them in the Hudson River. So
Speaker 2: there was actually a story. I think lots of people
Speaker 2: were trying to scuba dive and try to find them
Speaker 2: because it worth a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Now like why would that doesn't make any sense?
Speaker 2: Well exactly why would they do that? But if you
Speaker 2: go look up, there's some really good YouTuber. It's actually
Speaker 2: one of my friends named Derek Olsen. You should ProAb
Speaker 2: get him on the show if you can, He's he's great,
Speaker 2: and he's documented tons of these old newspaper articles about
Speaker 2: them discovering eight foot nine foot seven foot pole skeletons.
Speaker 1: You still can, But before an Ai was pulling up
Speaker 1: all these old articles for me. Right, they're finding the
Speaker 1: articles like something might go to this stuff because it
Speaker 1: was confirming. Yeah, there was like one hundreds of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah there was nine feet. I mean you could make
Speaker 1: the argument like, oh, maybe it was just selling newspapers.
Speaker 1: It seems like it was too many of them in
Speaker 1: all over different places. I think all kinds of different
Speaker 1: countries have always claimed giants. Even I remember reading a
Speaker 1: book of if. He was just one of the first
Speaker 1: Spanish explorers that we hear, and they were very detailed
Speaker 1: all their attitude, latitude. They took their books very serious,
Speaker 1: and they were talking about going down the Amazon and
Speaker 1: just massive societies and they stumbled across these people that
Speaker 1: were like eight nine feet at one place. You know.
Speaker 2: You know what's one that really fry your brain is
Speaker 2: the story about Maximist Thracks.
Speaker 1: You ever heard of him?
Speaker 2: No, this is the kind of stuff that they should
Speaker 2: have taught us in history class, Like I don't know
Speaker 2: why as a kid that I was never told that
Speaker 2: there was a Roman emperor who was eight foot six.
Speaker 2: What that's just it was named Maximus Thracks and they
Speaker 2: said he wasn't just tall, of course, he was massive too.
Speaker 2: And if you're eight foot six, is that not a giant,
Speaker 2: that's a giant?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like yeah, with giganticism, are like what seven foot five,
Speaker 1: But that's like so aware it was owing over seven feet,
Speaker 1: that's like freakish.
Speaker 2: It's I mean, the rare. It's so rare for somebody
Speaker 2: to be over seven feet. I don't I'm not exactly
Speaker 2: sure what percentage of people of all time, supposedly based
Speaker 2: on the science, has been over eight feet all but
Speaker 2: eight foot six. Yeah, we're talking about age, you're talking
Speaker 2: about eight you're talking about literal giants.
Speaker 1: Oh, little giant literal giant fighting. There's been like some
Speaker 1: seven foot people fall and that's but that's just like freakish.
Speaker 1: Like seven feet is just like a giant. So if
Speaker 1: you go to like eight feet, that's like a literal giant. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just think it's interesting interressing histories and focus
Speaker 1: on the Holocaust and slavery.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I think It's the funny thing is to
Speaker 2: go back what we were talking about is that I said,
Speaker 2: if you really think how wicked it is to tell
Speaker 2: every black person that they're in America, they're a descendant
Speaker 2: of slaves, and then people like being you were the
Speaker 2: ones who put them into slavery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we owned them and whipped them and abused them.
Speaker 2: And so the truth is the very first slave owner
Speaker 2: in America was a black man. That's you can look
Speaker 2: this up like that, even.
Speaker 1: That like five years ago, Like that can't be true.
Speaker 1: Like literally Google confirmed that. Yeah, you can look at it.
Speaker 1: That just doesn't match the history we're taught now. I
Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't any of us who don't
Speaker 1: claim to have all the answers, but we can still
Speaker 1: clearly see there's giant holes on what we're being taught.
Speaker 1: I think people need to, like, you know, work together
Speaker 1: to study this stuff and realize a lot of the
Speaker 1: ship's completely lives. They've taught us, like a black man
Speaker 1: was the first slave owner? Like, how is that? Well?
Speaker 1: It does that does not push the division narrative agenda
Speaker 1: of white people bad black people were abused. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: completely turns it upside down, right, so it's like that's
Speaker 1: just don't teach that. But that's the.
Speaker 2: Point, is like, but you're you're like, you're hamstringing people
Speaker 2: here who are who are black, who didn't necessarily come
Speaker 2: from slaves, right, and you're putting that evil on them,
Speaker 2: And then you're also putting that evil as you're putting
Speaker 2: that evil on people like me when my my family never.
Speaker 1: Owned exa slaves slaves, but they want to build this
Speaker 1: like hatred only a small percentage of white people own them.
Speaker 1: And yeah, slavery was evil, there's no doubt about that,
Speaker 1: but like to make people better, to raise the people
Speaker 1: that some did it, but a lot didn't. Right, Absolutely,
Speaker 1: so slavery all societies that owned slaves all throughout history.
Speaker 1: The first slavel in America was black. That's just so insane.
Speaker 2: And you see who owned the slave ships and hats,
Speaker 2: the little hats did that. I mean, But I mean
Speaker 2: that's the point, is like they want us to fight,
Speaker 2: you know, It's it makes perfect sense honestly, if you're
Speaker 2: if you're small, a smaller group, you want the bigger
Speaker 2: groups to to be divided and you want them to
Speaker 2: fight each other. And so we're constantly looking at each
Speaker 2: other when it's somebody else who's literally stirring the pot.
Speaker 1: It's a brilliant evil. Yeah, it absolutely is.
Speaker 2: But no, the the whole stuff with history and all
Speaker 2: of it is that the more I tried to research
Speaker 2: things to realize, I just realized there was just large
Speaker 2: gaps in our history and it was It's like I
Speaker 2: was on a friend's podcast saying John Pounder's excellent podcast
Speaker 2: or he was talking about it. Oh yeah, awesome. So
Speaker 2: he he was talking about that what we really have
Speaker 2: in probably the last two thousand years quote unquote two
Speaker 2: thousand years, it's like you have shadows of history Like
Speaker 2: it's like it's like everything's very it's it's very murky.
Speaker 1: There's there's like missing like centuries almost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Which I think that to me, that's telling just
Speaker 2: in itself, is that like, so why don't we know?
Speaker 2: More like why is things like how do again even
Speaker 2: like the idea of it's it's very clear there's tons
Speaker 2: of evidence that they're lost civilization?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but how did they ever get lost? You know?
Speaker 2: I think that just that question in itself, it's like, well,
Speaker 2: how didn't if people have been tracking things like how
Speaker 2: why don't we know more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like it's deliberate, like there's been burning
Speaker 1: of libraries. Even when they came to America, they had
Speaker 1: I think it was the Mayas one of them. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a full in writing, but it was like this
Speaker 1: not type they went and destroyed all their writing.
Speaker 2: Well, the truth is that there's a lot of things
Speaker 2: that they just don't tell us. What was another interesting
Speaker 2: thing I learned about America would be that a lot
Speaker 2: of Native Americans, who are like of the Indian person
Speaker 2: would look would we consider like Indians. They worshiped a
Speaker 2: god called Jehoah, which sounds almost just like Jehovah or Jehovah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's like they worshiped this god as the creator Yeehovah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. They were monotheists. They believed in one god
Speaker 2: and his name was Yehoah. And you're like, that is
Speaker 2: really really close to what the Bible would be describing
Speaker 2: as the creator of everything. And so what I found
Speaker 2: interesting and we might have even touched on it last
Speaker 2: time we were on the podcast. We talked about how
Speaker 2: that the Franciscan Friars and Columbus, lots of them were
Speaker 2: connecting these people they met in the New World as
Speaker 2: coming from the Old World, potentially like the ten Lost
Speaker 2: Tribes of Israel. Now, the thing that just really tripped
Speaker 2: me out about that idea was like, what would make
Speaker 2: them connect that. Of course it could be something like
Speaker 2: that that they worshiped a god called Yuhoah. Now, the
Speaker 2: other thing was interesting in this book. It was kind
Speaker 2: of theorizing that that Noah has three sons, right, and
Speaker 2: this is where you kind of get like the difference
Speaker 2: in the races. So it was saying that ham his
Speaker 2: people go to Africa and yeah, he was likely darker skinned,
Speaker 2: and then you have jpass line. Jpeth goes to Europe
Speaker 2: and because northern Asia he's white, he's white.
Speaker 1: And Shem.
Speaker 2: It was theorizing that Shem was actually read and biblically.
Speaker 2: It mentions how King David he was handsome and he
Speaker 2: had a ruddy face. Well ruddy means red.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I'd never heard of red people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean, of course I don't know if
Speaker 2: this is actually true, but I thought it was pretty
Speaker 2: interesting that, like, why does it describe David as having
Speaker 2: a red face.
Speaker 1: Some people will say he has red hair, but it
Speaker 1: actually doesn't say that.
Speaker 2: It's the translation says that he's a handsome, ruddy face
Speaker 2: when he was a youth, so he's got a red face.
Speaker 2: So is that why Columbus and these people thought they
Speaker 2: were connecting these people with Hebrews?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean some of the old asked. I mean
Speaker 1: it was like paintings and stuff, but they looked like red.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's just I mean, I guess the thing
Speaker 2: is it's it's saying that again that not saying this
Speaker 2: is accurate. What I'm saying is that these are the
Speaker 2: kind of questions people were asking the eighteen hundred's and
Speaker 2: it's like, so why don't we know more?
Speaker 1: Like wow, because the experts have have it all figured
Speaker 1: out now, right right, that's why the act, like history
Speaker 1: is all figured out now. Yeah. I mean, like the
Speaker 1: idea that you could be thrown in jail for questioning
Speaker 1: in history, I mean there's only one event for that.
Speaker 1: Because we don't know things. Just like science, things were
Speaker 1: always new. Things are being uncovered. We're discovering it that
Speaker 1: history was literally it was put together by people sitting
Speaker 1: there talking colors. I it some of it could have
Speaker 1: maybe been people with bad intent, like rewriting, Like we
Speaker 1: look at who rights are textbooks. You probably know it's
Speaker 1: blame Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, is the biggest textbook writer. Yes,
Speaker 1: so they're probably deliberately deceiving us. And then you're supposed
Speaker 1: to just take it as like a face value. Well
Speaker 1: here's a good example, here's a good to look at it. Okay,
Speaker 1: the news today we're fighting over what's trewe today. Look
Speaker 1: how much fake propaganda the news puts out. And we're
Speaker 1: supposed to just believe everything in these history books, like
Speaker 1: we're crazy for asking questions, being like maybe this isn't true.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean, of course it's funny that I
Speaker 2: know Tucker Carlson had my Kaka Beyond, and of course
Speaker 2: he's talking about Christian Zionism, and of course, I you know,
Speaker 2: that really takes my interest because it's like I study
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff, and so he's asking a
Speaker 2: lot of great questions. But it's interesting to know where
Speaker 2: like the people who who live in quote unquote Pile
Speaker 2: Sign or the land of Israel or land of Canaan,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, like where they're actually from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pull, and well you know it's really interesting.
Speaker 2: So I think this is like important biblically, but it's
Speaker 2: more importantly because because of geopolitics and the warst we're in,
Speaker 2: is that the way people are established if they're Jewish
Speaker 2: or not today based on like modern Jewish interpretation of
Speaker 2: like the Talmod is that you're Jewish based on having
Speaker 2: a Jewish mother.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Here's why this doesn't work, or at least this is why
Speaker 2: this is not defensible for a Christian to have that view,
Speaker 2: is because in the Bible, the genealogies are based on
Speaker 2: the patriarchs. Like so the man so like, you're a
Speaker 2: son of Like, you're a son of Adam, You're a
Speaker 2: son of Seth, you're a son of Noah.
Speaker 1: I thought that was weird to the mother when typically
Speaker 1: like exactly the Christians, like you say, who your father was?
Speaker 1: That's right, you're we have so much pride in your
Speaker 1: father's name too. The name meant so much. That was
Speaker 1: kind of you know, the positive of that, I mean,
Speaker 1: the bad is that if your father were shameful, you know,
Speaker 1: look look, look down upon. But there's also something prideful.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I gotta hold up my family name.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but that's that's how we still basically
Speaker 2: do things. Is that like, if we don't have sons
Speaker 2: to give our son's name our name, then eventually our name.
Speaker 1: Could be gone. Right.
Speaker 2: No, obviously our lineage would still live on if we
Speaker 2: have daughters. But the point is like that God establish
Speaker 2: in order, and God made certain promises to certain patriarchs.
Speaker 2: Like so the main reason we have kind of the
Speaker 2: faith that we do is God made a promise to Abraham,
Speaker 2: and he was talking about one of his descendants would
Speaker 2: eventually bless all nations, and he's promising his descendants this land.
Speaker 2: So then based on the way the Bible goes, you
Speaker 2: have Abraham, you have a son Isaac, you have Jacob,
Speaker 2: then you get bound down to King David, and so
Speaker 2: King David if you look at so that's why it's
Speaker 2: important if you actually read the genealogies, you know this
Speaker 2: is what you can see a line from Adam, Abraham,
Speaker 2: David Jesus.
Speaker 1: You can see it through.
Speaker 2: So all these these promises were kept this line, and
Speaker 2: it's like, this is how a kingship was. What he
Speaker 2: was established with David was that one of his descendants
Speaker 2: would he would have a descendant that would be on
Speaker 2: the throne forever. That's why we say Christ is king
Speaker 2: because praise God, that came true. Now, But what Judaism
Speaker 2: is telling us now is it's through the mother. And
Speaker 2: what's really crazy about that is the fact that so
Speaker 2: you think about like a Millennish not Millennius Trump, but
Speaker 2: Avanka Trump. Yeah, she conversed to Judaism, right, but her
Speaker 2: kids basically Jewish. Yeah, her kids will be considered Jewish
Speaker 2: based on her conversion. Okay, So how crazy is that?
Speaker 1: Though? So now we're seeing like a Mike Huckabee. He's
Speaker 1: not Jewish at all genetically, right, but he's kind of
Speaker 1: weird that Jared Kushner married an on jew but he's
Speaker 1: so extreme. I mean, there's rumors of Trump being Jewish.
Speaker 1: His brother was in a Jewish fraternity, his father was
Speaker 1: friends with Nan who.
Speaker 2: But that's the funny part about all, just like just
Speaker 2: this conversation in general, It's like we're obviously not talking
Speaker 2: about a genetic thing, because if Trump's Jewish, Rasy not Jewish.
Speaker 1: Like the point is like she was confusing, I think intentionally,
Speaker 1: is it a religion? Is it a race? But then
Speaker 1: there's several races of it.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, that's the thing is if you watch
Speaker 2: that debate with well, not necessarily debate the conversation between
Speaker 2: Tucker and Mike Huckaby. It's very confusing because like it's
Speaker 2: very confusing based on like Mike Kookabe trying to justify
Speaker 2: with the Bible. But then we're like killing is it?
Speaker 2: Is it a racial thing or is it a religion? Well,
Speaker 2: it's most certainly a religion. But I mean, then we
Speaker 2: have the people that are supposedly racially Jewish who are
Speaker 2: secular atheists, they don't believe any of this stuff, and so,
Speaker 2: but it is absolutely insane to think that so one
Speaker 2: day Jared Kushner and Ivanka's kids could be considered entitled
Speaker 2: to the land of Israeli.
Speaker 1: Jewish even though right, yeah, I know. Example, Okay, these
Speaker 1: are two perfect examples how ridiculous it is. And one
Speaker 1: person they're a quarter Jewish, but it's mom's side, mom's size.
Speaker 1: Another one that's three quarters Jewish, but it's one of
Speaker 1: the dad from the dad's side. So the one that's
Speaker 1: a quarter of Jewish is considered Jewish. The person there's
Speaker 1: three quarters Jewish is not considered Jewish or Jewish law
Speaker 1: the city. Well, the whole thing is insane.
Speaker 2: But the funny part would be like, so again, if
Speaker 2: the Bible establishes an order based on the fathers, well
Speaker 2: I can show you clearly it has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with the moms really, because the story goes in like
Speaker 2: the first Sons of of Jacob who becomes Israel, or
Speaker 2: like Joseph, the story of Joseph, Joseph goes to Egypt,
Speaker 2: he becomes like second in command, like the second in
Speaker 2: charge of all of Egypt. Well, he's given a wife
Speaker 2: who's Egyptian. So right away, like the whole kind of
Speaker 2: who the mom is is really not that important. Even
Speaker 2: David King David his great grandmother was named Ruth, and
Speaker 2: Ruth was what the Bible describes the Mobite woman. And
Speaker 2: then well it's it's a it's a different line. So
Speaker 2: like you had, like Moab came from Abraham's nephew's line.
Speaker 1: So the Bible shows that it's more important than man. Well,
Speaker 1: it's I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess that at the end of the day, there
Speaker 2: needed to be a genetic bloodline to get to Christ
Speaker 2: because he's made because because I made a promise with you,
Speaker 2: so I have to fulfill this promise like genetically. But
Speaker 2: the truth is it was all based on like I
Speaker 2: just promised you, and if you believe my promise, then
Speaker 2: this is what makes you one of God's people. So
Speaker 2: that's why I like that when we have this debate
Speaker 2: about who are the chosen people? Well, the Bible says
Speaker 2: that the heirs of Christ, that Christians had their names
Speaker 2: written in the Lamb's Book of Life before the foundation
Speaker 2: of the earth was late. Okay, So to me that
Speaker 2: seems like a chosen person because if your name was
Speaker 2: already in the book before you were born, then God
Speaker 2: chose you, and the people who reject Jesus cannot be
Speaker 2: chosen because obviously the Bible says there's only one way
Speaker 2: to go to heaven, right, so like the person who
Speaker 2: was supposedly chosen is going to hell, the person who
Speaker 2: quote unquote was not chosen is going to be in
Speaker 2: heaven with God forever.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't make any sense, this manipulation, this works
Speaker 1: so well.
Speaker 2: It's all it's it's all inversion. But I say, I
Speaker 2: just think it's really it's striking to see that that
Speaker 2: you can actually like Jesus is basically the only person
Speaker 2: who can actually has the receipts left to be able
Speaker 2: to tie himself back to King David, who the promise
Speaker 2: was to. So now we have like these uh the
Speaker 2: was Chabad Lubitch and they're trying they want this idea
Speaker 2: of this third Temple, and they're looking for the mashi Ok.
Speaker 2: They're looking for the new Messia to come through this. Now,
Speaker 2: the interesting part about that is they could never prove
Speaker 2: that they're related to David.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, but but Christ can.
Speaker 2: Because that's why it's like the people think the genealogies
Speaker 2: in the Bible are boring, but it's important because it's
Speaker 2: establishing this thing. And so what's fascinating is that in
Speaker 2: seventy a d God judged Jerusalem and destroyed the temple
Speaker 2: and destroyed Jerusalem altogether, burn it to ground.
Speaker 1: Now it's what's burned it down?
Speaker 2: Well, well, Jesus told the parable of the wicked tenants,
Speaker 2: and we talking about the kingdom is going to be
Speaker 2: taken from you and it's going to be giving to
Speaker 2: people more fruitful. So like that's the idea of like
Speaker 2: that this was promised to you, but you guys rejected it,
Speaker 2: and I'm giving it to everyone.
Speaker 1: I mean, he literally attacked the temple with a whip,
Speaker 1: so obviously he didn't find them very.
Speaker 2: No, he well, and again he's the thing is like
Speaker 2: if you if you go away from out of town
Speaker 2: and you come back, the first thing you do is
Speaker 2: take care of your own house. You get your own
Speaker 2: house in order. Yes, so that's what That's what Christ
Speaker 2: is basically saying he's going to do. So you want
Speaker 2: to you want to clean house first at your own house.
Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is that yourself first. And
Speaker 2: then that during this during the captivity with Babylon, you know,
Speaker 2: you had all these people dispersed around the world. There's
Speaker 2: this decree by King Cyrus to come back and them
Speaker 2: come back into the landa Judea. And so in the
Speaker 2: Book of Neami, eventually these these people come back and
Speaker 2: they're trying to prove their lineage that they actually are
Speaker 2: part of the twelve tribes. But the really important part
Speaker 2: is the fact that they're established like a levite, like
Speaker 2: this is the priest's class. This is like who like
Speaker 2: the first high priest would been Aaron, the brother of Moses,
Speaker 2: and so these are the people who are have the
Speaker 2: duties at the church or the temple. Sorry, and so
Speaker 2: when they rebuild the temple, So these are obviously going
Speaker 2: to be the priest there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, so then eventually they rebuild this temple, and not
Speaker 2: everyone can prove that they're actually even even back then,
Speaker 2: well even back.
Speaker 1: Then it sounds like amies.
Speaker 2: Well even back then they couldn't all prove it, but
Speaker 2: obviously some of them could. And then obviously the other
Speaker 2: important thing is to have that lineage back to David,
Speaker 2: because you have this promise, and this is part of
Speaker 2: what makes them believers in God. Well, in seventy a d.
Speaker 2: The all the records, all the genealogies were kept in
Speaker 2: the temple. So when God not only wiped out this
Speaker 2: old system, he wiped out all memory of who was related.
Speaker 2: And so I think that's why they have this inversion
Speaker 2: where now they're trying to say it's based on the
Speaker 2: mother's side. It's literally like a slap to God. And
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I think in God's providence, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he wiped out this old the system that could not
Speaker 2: be practiced anymore, and then he wiped out their genealogies too.
Speaker 2: So now like the basically the last person can tie
Speaker 2: themselves to a king of Israel was Christ in Christ
Speaker 2: is king.
Speaker 1: Yes, it has to be. But that's well, well off,
Speaker 1: if you go to Israel now it's isn't illegal to
Speaker 1: even get a DNA test.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean the thing about it is, it's
Speaker 2: just it's kind of funny. I think that, Like the
Speaker 2: twenty three and meters stuff. I think mostly it's a scam.
Speaker 1: I think most of it's done Like, hey, Jews, I
Speaker 1: would never send my stuff now, it's like, no, I
Speaker 1: don't trust it all. It's like, really, at this point,
Speaker 1: we have no way of knowing for sure who's traced
Speaker 1: back there, but it would say it's probably not the
Speaker 1: Asnosky Jews.
Speaker 2: Well, the that's the funny thing is you've mentioned like
Speaker 2: the Asconazi Jews.
Speaker 1: So there's several, you know, types of Jews where you
Speaker 1: get complicated.
Speaker 2: Well right, well, I want to say, I forget the
Speaker 2: name is it? I think it's is it hispartic Jews
Speaker 2: and Ascaranology Jews take a big portion of the population
Speaker 2: in Israel. Tech well, the ones from Spain, they're conversions,
Speaker 2: they're Spanish conversions to Judaism, right, and so so likely
Speaker 2: the people in Oshkanas's line, then Ascianology persuasion, they came
Speaker 2: from a place called Kazar, the Kazarian Empire, and so
Speaker 2: there's this kingdom that at one point was made up
Speaker 2: of Christians, Jews, and Muslims, but then royalty had them
Speaker 2: convert to Judaism to practice usury, and so eventually, I
Speaker 2: want to say it was the they called them the Roofs.
Speaker 2: They were likely of people that came from somewhere maybe
Speaker 2: around Norway, and they came in and conquered the Kazarians.
Speaker 2: And this is like the modern Russians. So then these
Speaker 2: people from this one kingdom go to basically where like
Speaker 2: Germany as German area, and that's what we call Oshkinaz.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's what they're all the ones that run
Speaker 1: you know, Israel, like all the prime ministers are from
Speaker 1: like Poland they all change their names to a sounding
Speaker 1: number like it. So it's like this isn't crazy, Like
Speaker 1: that's literally where they're from. You look at their skin complexion.
Speaker 1: They're not Middle Eastern.
Speaker 2: Right, I think they say, there's a great there's a
Speaker 2: there's a high percentage of people who are have allergies
Speaker 2: to olive olive plants. Oh yeah, which just seems like
Speaker 2: he's a little weird. He was a little weird if
Speaker 2: that's actually.
Speaker 1: Where you're going to give you land that you're not from.
Speaker 1: Kind of a strange thing. And like they're trying to
Speaker 1: He goes yesterday and you know he was talking about
Speaker 1: bringing back their Messiah, which their messiah is not our Messiah.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. It is.
Speaker 2: So again, this whole thing, this whole concept, is a
Speaker 2: denial of that the Messiah did come. And I said,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's it's like, as a Christian,
Speaker 2: it's it's I would like to make this case to
Speaker 2: somebody who's a skeptic, who is who is who actually
Speaker 2: is a believer? And I guess what they call, you know,
Speaker 2: the Torah or like whatever they believe is their version
Speaker 2: of keeping the law. If Jesus was not who he
Speaker 2: said he was, and they rightfully rejected him in the
Speaker 2: first century, then why did God and down their city
Speaker 2: and burned down their temple?
Speaker 1: Point why did being a Christian? Why did so many
Speaker 1: Christians look up Like, Okay, they say their God's chosen,
Speaker 1: But I'm a little confused. If they killed Jesus they
Speaker 1: think he's burning in hell. I just don't they're trying
Speaker 1: to bring back quick to anti christ all these Christians
Speaker 1: Zionists are trying to help him do it. It's just
Speaker 1: completely confusing to me.
Speaker 2: We've been talking about that a little bit on the
Speaker 2: podcast about just that this is like the biggest siop
Speaker 2: Ever's do you have? Church history establishes this idea that
Speaker 2: that eventually the spiritual descendants of Israel are actually Israel,
Speaker 2: like the Church has become the Israel of God. Because again,
Speaker 2: it's it was about that Abraham was not Jewish. People
Speaker 2: think that's crazy, but no, he was actually what they
Speaker 2: consider like a Hebrew, But Hebrew was just a relation
Speaker 2: to Eber and what the Hebrews were were kind of
Speaker 2: like nomadic people. That's kind of what Abraham was. He
Speaker 2: was like he moved from a place he knew to
Speaker 2: a place that God promised him. Now, but it had
Speaker 2: nothing to do with like who Abraham was related because
Speaker 2: if you think about it, like if you believe the
Speaker 2: Biblical story, it's like you have this line that's coming
Speaker 2: through and there's no guarantee where it's coming from. People
Speaker 2: believe that Abraham was the son of an idol maker
Speaker 2: from from Babylon, right, So like it's not about that,
Speaker 2: it's more about that Abraham believed God and that was
Speaker 2: the reason he was given these promises. So that's why
Speaker 2: the spiritual descendants would also believe in this original promise
Speaker 2: to him, and so that the people who deny that promise, right, it's.
Speaker 1: A were you a Christian Zianist at one point? I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess I was because I didn't really realize what
Speaker 2: it was about by default. It's kind of like, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess the thing is like that, you know,
Speaker 2: when you grow up in you know, like early twenties,
Speaker 2: like nine to eleven happens. Yeah, And you know, I
Speaker 2: was taught very clearly to the Muslims dead right. It
Speaker 2: was radical Muslims. They hate me because I'm Christian. They
Speaker 2: hate America because it's free, and that's basically it.
Speaker 1: They done a great job of like teaching us that,
Speaker 1: I remember it were hardcore Zionists. But I kind of was.
Speaker 1: Then I visit some of the Middle Eastern countries to
Speaker 1: treat you great. The visit Israel, I could just kind
Speaker 1: of tell they are lying about things, and that's why
Speaker 1: I'm looking into like how they're treating the Palestinians.
Speaker 2: Right, So you know, but once I spend my adult
Speaker 2: life watching these Forever Wars, and I'm like, oh wow.
Speaker 2: And then of course when you start to when you
Speaker 2: start to go down the rabbit hole, you're lifting guys,
Speaker 2: these things are all lies. So most of these things
Speaker 2: are lies. And and the thing is what Muslims actually
Speaker 2: believe is what they call Jews and Christians. They call
Speaker 2: them people of the Book. So what the Kuran actually
Speaker 2: does is validate what the Bible says, which is kind
Speaker 2: of contradicts itself by doing that.
Speaker 1: But it is very similar to religion. They love and
Speaker 1: adore Jesus. It's not quite the same. No, it's not
Speaker 1: quite the same as as God, but it's like no,
Speaker 1: but I mean, but the interesting part about it is
Speaker 1: it's like love. Is that if they are true practicers
Speaker 1: of the of the Korean, then they would not hate
Speaker 1: me because I'm Christian because their book tells them not to.
Speaker 1: So what it actually does say is that when people
Speaker 1: think about like why they can be violent towards people.
Speaker 1: If you have a Muslim who's an apostate, whether he
Speaker 1: converts to Judaism or Christian or anything, well then it
Speaker 1: does give them license to to kill, to stone the infidel. Now,
Speaker 1: but but again that it has something to do with
Speaker 1: their own apostate. It's not if I'm born in a
Speaker 1: Christian country that's like that sect of like being pushed
Speaker 1: through Saudi Arabia where they teach them. Most of the
Speaker 1: extremists all come through the hobbyism, which is funded by
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. Who's our good ally whenever about nine to
Speaker 1: eleven that was all Saudi's and suppose well, yeah, it
Speaker 1: really was a little Saudi connection, but yeah, there's rallies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was whatever wherever they were from, they were
Speaker 2: connected with our own three letter agencies from Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So I take the gun at it is Massa. I
Speaker 1: was kind of ahead of it. The Saudi Arabia. This
Speaker 1: guy helped, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: But yeah, when you when it comes down to it,
Speaker 2: you you started to see that what they told us
Speaker 2: to hate the other people there and to justify by
Speaker 2: saying that they are just crazy and they just hate
Speaker 2: us for being.
Speaker 1: Us, they hate us for our freedom. That's not true. Now.
Speaker 2: Honestly, it is funny if you go to like Israel
Speaker 2: and you wear like a cross, like if I was
Speaker 2: wearing my cross necklace over here, there's a good chance
Speaker 2: I'd get spit on in Jerusalem, right, And so that's.
Speaker 1: Crazy that actually paying them all the money. And you
Speaker 1: see there was this guy was just something Tatum. He
Speaker 1: was Officer Tatum. He's like he's one of those paid propagandas.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, man, I only got spit on by
Speaker 1: one kid when I was there. I wasn't treated that bad.
Speaker 1: Like I've never had a kid spit on me. The
Speaker 1: kids spit on me, I'll smacked the shit a little funk.
Speaker 1: They come by and there's these videos that yeah they're
Speaker 1: coming by spitting on people. They look like demon possessed,
Speaker 1: just like circling them.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, where I come from getting spin on
Speaker 2: one time as a lot. Oh yeah, I've never had
Speaker 2: a kid spit on it one one time. It's like
Speaker 2: smacking out of that can when time is too many.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so like so that's the contrast though, and
Speaker 2: we would think that, hey, wait a minute, we really
Speaker 2: loved them, We pray for them, we send money to them,
Speaker 2: like why would they hate me?
Speaker 1: Like I don't get that?
Speaker 2: Like it so is there's a there's obviously again this
Speaker 2: is inversion. But again when I think what most people
Speaker 2: up was the most recent war in Gossam. I think
Speaker 2: at this point I was already condu I was already
Speaker 2: understanding it, but saying, but like when they first said, yeah,
Speaker 2: when they first talked about October seventh, and this is
Speaker 2: obviously by the time, I'm like fully awake to everything,
Speaker 2: well not everything. I could say, I guess I can't
Speaker 2: say I'm not awake to.
Speaker 1: Think I'm still waiting. I'm still I know there's still
Speaker 1: so much to learn. Once you start waking up your relationship,
Speaker 1: everything is alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But when I when that happened and they were
Speaker 2: literally selling this thing as Israel's nine to eleven, and
Speaker 2: of course for me that was very triggering because I
Speaker 2: was like, you're saying that it's a false flax so
Speaker 2: you can justify war, Like that's exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 2: And even Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk was on Patrick bed
Speaker 2: David saying basically the exact same thing he was He
Speaker 2: was saying, but he wasn't really saying. He was saying, like,
Speaker 2: how do you have a like a state the size
Speaker 2: of New Jersey Israel where you could ride up and
Speaker 2: back in forty five minutes?
Speaker 1: They gave him like hours, like six or seven hours.
Speaker 1: Been there just country. There's military everywhere, military basis everybody's idea,
Speaker 1: Like other people were killed, everybody's he even killed their
Speaker 1: own with the patchy helicopters. Yea, go sacrifice Jewish people too,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what I mean all Jewish people. It's like
Speaker 1: the ones the top though, they are like trying to
Speaker 1: bring in this anti christ Like, yes, I realized they
Speaker 1: deeply believe in this religion. Doesn't matter if I believe
Speaker 1: in it. They believe in it and they're trying to
Speaker 1: accomplish it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's again it's kind of like saying,
Speaker 2: like the way I think people kind of get some
Speaker 2: of this stuff. It's confusing because it'd be like saying
Speaker 2: Americans are Christian country, so therefore any act that America
Speaker 2: does is done by Christians in the same way we
Speaker 2: would say like that just because somebody's in Israel and
Speaker 2: they're considered Jewish. We just already talked about how lots
Speaker 2: of people who are considered considered themselves Jewish are actually
Speaker 2: secular humanists, they're atheists, they don't believe in anything like that.
Speaker 2: In the same way that just because something happened in
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia. We're gonna blame Muslims for it when they're
Speaker 2: obviously not living like Muslims, you know. I guess that's
Speaker 2: the thing. It's like we that's part of probably the
Speaker 2: reason they want us to fight, right because.
Speaker 1: Because because we hang out, you realize you're also similar.
Speaker 1: You know, you can hang out with Jewish Christians Muslims
Speaker 1: and get along great.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, yeah, the truth is, I think again, it's
Speaker 2: it's about like we're talking about with you know, white
Speaker 2: people versus black people. They want us to fight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So the point is that what well meaning people should say,
Speaker 2: be like, if some person who claims to be a
Speaker 2: Christian does something that's not Christian, I don't have to
Speaker 2: support them because that what they did was evil, that
Speaker 2: was a sin, and we would be all better if
Speaker 2: we just called them like, just called them like took
Speaker 2: each individual case. But all that being said, when you
Speaker 2: see what they did to Gaza, it's just evil.
Speaker 1: It's pure evil.
Speaker 2: You can't you can't see what that place used to
Speaker 2: look like and looks like. Now, I'm not getting mad
Speaker 2: if you have a heart and soul on through videos,
Speaker 2: Hee went to the dudes of children and laughing. It's just
Speaker 2: that's just an evil. Like I knew the Israel had
Speaker 2: too much control of America. I knew some of this stuff,
Speaker 2: but the extent of it. And then seeing Gaza and
Speaker 2: seeing our politicians, yeah, double down supporting them. And then
Speaker 2: the Iran war that they just launched. Like you said,
Speaker 2: they didn't sell it. They just pushed the Iran war
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. And I don't think it benefits America.
Speaker 2: And I see nothing nothing positive this can come of
Speaker 2: this war. No, I can't. Maybe Israel, but even then
Speaker 2: they're kind of getting a little you know. No, it's
Speaker 2: creat well, no, I mean it's it's it's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2: I would say that the reason why Trump got elected,
Speaker 2: you know, isn't is because he was saying he didn't
Speaker 2: want this exactly. You know, if he would have, if
Speaker 2: he would have ran on this. Do you think that he.
Speaker 1: He went to one?
Speaker 2: No, no, because I don't think because he was running
Speaker 2: as like a peace president.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: I said, I saw this clip was going around. It
Speaker 2: was might have been two thousand and fifteen, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: He's mocking Lindsey Graham, right, like totally mocking him saying
Speaker 2: how he's the dumbest guy. He's crazy, he's gonna get
Speaker 2: us and he wants to get us into World War three.
Speaker 2: He shouldn't be able to win his dog catcher in
Speaker 2: South Carolina. And now their buddies. It's like there there
Speaker 2: was like he gets all excited about blowing up kids.
Speaker 2: He's like it was like this evil like PA have
Speaker 2: tapes to him with like little children. I can't imagine.
Speaker 2: It's not something probably worse than we would ever to imagine,
Speaker 2: because the way he seems truly evil. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you can see all the clips. I want to say,
Speaker 2: was it was it two years ago that there was
Speaker 2: that hurricane I think that devastated parts of North Carolina
Speaker 2: and South Carolina. There was forty nine people in South
Speaker 2: Carolina who were killed by this hurricane.
Speaker 1: And so he was on.
Speaker 2: Sean Hannity and he was saying, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: went all around the state and visited and I could
Speaker 2: barely sleep. But I want to talk about Israel. And
Speaker 2: he said, let's talk about how they don't have enough
Speaker 2: weapons for their defense and all this. And I'm You're like,
Speaker 2: it's almost like I don't it's I don't even understand
Speaker 2: how even if it is money, even if I mean,
Speaker 2: it has to be major blackmail to be able to.
Speaker 1: I think maybe they give him a little kids to
Speaker 1: kill or something. There's something, here's something he's dark and evil.
Speaker 1: I think it goes something truly evil with that man.
Speaker 1: He Yeah, when he starts talking about talking up and
Speaker 1: excited about people of Israel, I wish we could be
Speaker 1: like that. Like it's just.
Speaker 2: It's well, I mean, even like Ted Kruz. Ted Cruz
Speaker 2: actually just came out. It was funny. We were I
Speaker 2: just saw a clip of him talking about how that
Speaker 2: christis King is used by groypers and it's it's of course,
Speaker 2: it's it's racist, it's racism. It's anti semitic to say that.
Speaker 2: And he even tries to say that what did he
Speaker 2: say that? Back when I was kind of coming up,
Speaker 2: we used to say Jesus saves and what did he say?
Speaker 2: Jesus loves you? And he was like, I don't know
Speaker 2: where the Christ is King stuff has come from. You're like,
Speaker 2: because like you like you're mocking Christ's lawyership, Like you like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean He's not king? It's like he
Speaker 2: is king? And so like but you're like, you're supposed
Speaker 2: to believe that. And he was even going on to
Speaker 2: say that, oh, in this idea that that the Jews
Speaker 2: killed Jesus, it's like that's in the Bible.
Speaker 1: It's also in the mood in the Talmood, they admit it,
Speaker 1: and they say they carried out the execution.
Speaker 2: Well, the Well's it was prophesied, and of course it
Speaker 2: happened in the way that did. The Jews handed him
Speaker 2: over to the Romans to be crucified. But I mean,
Speaker 2: the funny thing, it'd be like it'd be like if
Speaker 2: I hired a hitman to kill somebody for me, and
Speaker 2: it'd be like, well, I didn't kill him, like I
Speaker 2: didn't pull the triggers, therefore I'm innocent. Like that's not
Speaker 2: how the Bible sees it. Because that Steve, Steve in
Speaker 2: the martyr who got right before he got stone, he
Speaker 2: told me, he's like, you still people, You guys always
Speaker 2: resist the Holy Spirit, which not of God's prophets who
Speaker 2: prophesied about the Righteous One to come? Did you guys
Speaker 2: not kill and you know, and persecute? And then he says,
Speaker 2: and the Righteous One when he came, you betrayed and
Speaker 2: murdered him. This is what he says, right before they
Speaker 2: pick up stones to kill him with it. Peter says
Speaker 2: the same thing, the apostle apostle, Paul says the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, of course, that's like, that's just what the
Speaker 2: Bible says. And that's the crazy thing. When they started
Speaker 2: to get into the idea of like that they consider
Speaker 2: that blood liveable, and then.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be as these laws anti semitic. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw, like two days ago, there was
Speaker 1: a girl in Australia getting arrested a little you know,
Speaker 1: I think she's like eighteen. She had a shirt that
Speaker 1: said from the River to the Sea. The arrest her
Speaker 1: and she's face up to two years in prison for
Speaker 1: having a shirt that says from the river to the sea.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's how these people come in and
Speaker 1: take this power, taking away of free speech. There's another
Speaker 1: guy just got a year in prison Australia for saying
Speaker 1: like they're the enemy of Australia. It's like kind of
Speaker 1: proving his point when you know they actually they got
Speaker 1: caught faking anti Semitic. They were attacking the synagogues and
Speaker 1: it turned out organized crime was paid to do it
Speaker 1: by a foreign agent. They never said to who that
Speaker 1: foreign agent was, but I'm sure we can assume Israel.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, at this point, it does feel like
Speaker 2: that people are waking up to it, because even now
Speaker 2: they were. There was a new I want to say
Speaker 2: it was news articles saying that the potentially Iran was
Speaker 2: going to use drones to attack California. Obviously that's gonna
Speaker 2: be and then something recently just happened where they stole
Speaker 2: some military drones were stole from like some kind of military.
Speaker 1: Bases that I get. That's that's what I heard. They
Speaker 1: stole four drones, and it's hard getting in these military
Speaker 1: bases and getting stuff out. It had been obviously an
Speaker 1: inside job with several people because you have to get
Speaker 1: through the checkpoints. Drones are pretty I think they'd be
Speaker 1: pretty big war drones, right.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to say that, you know, I know
Speaker 2: we have a lot of military bases around where I'm from,
Speaker 2: and I've seen someone like the military drones and yeah,
Speaker 2: they're not small, they're not like the they're not like these.
Speaker 1: Ones looking a big truck.
Speaker 2: I would assume, I don't know, it does not seem
Speaker 2: likely that you could just go steal one without being
Speaker 2: caught doing it easily. So yes, it inside jump. But
Speaker 2: I think most people at this point now do see
Speaker 2: this where like we're lots of people, especially like obviously
Speaker 2: we listen to us.
Speaker 1: It's crossed the point of going to put it back
Speaker 1: in though.
Speaker 2: We're thinking this is gonna be there is a potential
Speaker 2: for a false flag because I mean, I hate to say,
Speaker 2: but that if they're getting desperate, this war is not
Speaker 2: being supported, not popular, well then they might have to
Speaker 2: try to galvanize people you think about like a pearl harbor.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to because it's losing support. Americans are dying.
Speaker 1: It looks like we potentially might be losing this war,
Speaker 1: which is humiliating. Well, it's like a I guess the
Speaker 1: thing is, it's it's like America is not going to
Speaker 1: lose a war that has a clear objective that we
Speaker 1: could discuss beforehand, that we could accomplish. But this is
Speaker 1: kind of like this is like what happens with no objective.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, right, so the thing is like that
Speaker 2: the objective is clear as mud the way Trump lays
Speaker 2: it out, because at first it was just like we're
Speaker 2: supposed to get rid of their ability to make a nuke,
Speaker 2: and then eventually it was, well, we got to get
Speaker 2: rid of all their ballistic missiles, and now it's like,
Speaker 2: we got to get rid of their navy.
Speaker 1: We got it. We got to get rid of their
Speaker 1: acting like they were gonna come in and overthrow this guy,
Speaker 1: and that didn't happen. So now they're like, what do
Speaker 1: we do? Yeah, he said they're running out of missiles,
Speaker 1: but they keep shooting missiles, so I don't know. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: That was another thing Lindsey Graham said, was did he
Speaker 2: say that he was excited that that we're running out
Speaker 2: of bombs and we never even ran out of bombs during.
Speaker 1: Yes, or that's that's concerning. That means like what if
Speaker 1: China or Russia decide's like, hey, let's punk America right
Speaker 1: now we don't have any missiles.
Speaker 2: Well, it seems like this based on what they're saying now,
Speaker 2: and it was supposedly Trump got in all these military
Speaker 2: you know, the contractors, and he was saying that they
Speaker 2: need to produce. He was like reading the Ride Act,
Speaker 2: like they need to produce.
Speaker 1: A lot more.
Speaker 2: I mean, it does make you see that this is
Speaker 2: not well thought out, Like you're probably right, is that
Speaker 2: they thought they would take out Kammayani and then this
Speaker 2: this thing would fall real quick and they'd be in
Speaker 2: and out. It's like, it does seem like Trump's mo
Speaker 2: to shoot a couple bombs off and then say declare
Speaker 2: victory and then go home. But I think that he
Speaker 2: obviously got bad advice. Yeah, very bad advice, Like sounds
Speaker 2: like you got advice from like Jared Christian.
Speaker 1: He said that he's like Jared told me. He really
Speaker 1: said that that's theirs. The CIA told him like, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna work out that way, but
Speaker 1: he listened to Jared, who's part of Chavad Lubavic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Javaid Lubovich, the head rabbi who's dead now, but he's
Speaker 1: this is their teachings. They don't think we have like
Speaker 1: they think their souls are divine. They think our souls
Speaker 1: are filthy from Satanic's fears, unholy animal souls. So why
Speaker 1: is every president going and meeting this guy who hates us?
Speaker 2: I mean, because again it's like, you know, I saw
Speaker 2: a clip from THEO Von and it was funny. He
Speaker 2: was talking about the idea of like like when we
Speaker 2: give money to Israel, it's like it's kind of like
Speaker 2: it's already theirs. It's kind of like they are the boss,
Speaker 2: like you know they It's just like it's like it's
Speaker 2: not even a question we're gonna give them money because
Speaker 2: the money is already there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's their money. We I think he's one of
Speaker 1: the said it feels like for a shell company for yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely visual, and it kind of does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We're like we're like the giant money laundering place
Speaker 2: where they just get their money, but people are seeing
Speaker 2: it and it can't go on. Like I said, it's
Speaker 2: hard when people like Lindsey Graham Trump cruise they work
Speaker 2: way harder for Israel than America. But I just don't
Speaker 2: and they openly say it.
Speaker 1: They're just getting off. Yeah, it's not gonna be an
Speaker 1: easy fight, but we're gonna take our country back. I
Speaker 1: got rapped in a couple of minutes of Super Slam
Speaker 1: Day to Day. Anything you want to hit before we wrap,
Speaker 1: and obviously want to tell people to find you and
Speaker 1: stuff too.
Speaker 2: No, I'll just say this is the only thing I
Speaker 2: really wanted to finish, was was just to talk about again.
Speaker 2: To go double back to that idea of the sye
Speaker 2: up because this is where it gets obviously more real
Speaker 2: to me, just as a Christian just beaus who cares
Speaker 2: what's true. Is the idea that these people that are
Speaker 2: supposedly Christians, like a past or like Mike Huckabee, and
Speaker 2: then people like Ted Cruz who are trying to make
Speaker 2: this about theological issues, well, they're twisting scriptures. And again
Speaker 2: this goes back to this idea of like the Schofield
Speaker 2: John Darby dispansm where they take what the New Testament
Speaker 2: and what Christ taught was going to be the family
Speaker 2: of God and trying to put it backwards. And they're
Speaker 2: trying to establish this secular state as God's chosen people
Speaker 2: over again. If you're in Christ, God chose you, and
Speaker 2: that's like, that's offensive to me. But then the way
Speaker 2: that they're trying to use, like the Book of Revelation
Speaker 2: as like a mockery where they have military commanders addressing
Speaker 2: their troops talking about how Trump's annoyed by Jesus and
Speaker 2: he's supposed to use this war to bring in Armageddon
Speaker 2: that leads to the return of Christ.
Speaker 1: That's so crazy. They're teaching that I've heard the same
Speaker 1: thing and reports, and I'm sure it's true.
Speaker 2: Well, the interesting part is they said that as thirteen
Speaker 2: or fourteen people complained, eleven were Christians complain. So I
Speaker 2: mean that praise God that they some people know what's up?
Speaker 1: Is that, you know?
Speaker 2: That's why I said, it's it's such the si op
Speaker 2: that when bombs fall in the Middle East, now we
Speaker 2: have people from a pulpit in America saying this is
Speaker 2: actually a good thing because this is going to lead
Speaker 2: to Jesus returning. I was like, to me, that is
Speaker 2: really offensive, Like that's offensive. And I think that what
Speaker 2: the church has clearly taught is like, no, we don't
Speaker 2: have to support that, and we shouldn't support that. And
Speaker 2: I think that the more people when they read their
Speaker 2: own Bibles and don't listen to like false teachers like
Speaker 2: my cuck being.
Speaker 1: You mean yourself, And we need to figure out something
Speaker 1: where there's people can find an anti Zionist church. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are super anti Zionists now
Speaker 1: they don't want to go to a Zionist church. And
Speaker 1: he's to be like a church finder where you can
Speaker 1: find a local I was talking to Joel what's his
Speaker 1: last name. He's a he's a Christians, super anti Zionist, oh,
Speaker 1: Joel Webbin. Yeah, and that's I was telling him, like,
Speaker 1: you need to put something together. People can find churches
Speaker 1: that are anti Zionists.
Speaker 2: Well, we just like, I guess the thing is, it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily just being anti Zionim. It's just like just
Speaker 2: just pro truth.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, this is this is just obviously that's
Speaker 1: part of you can't you can't be teaching these are
Speaker 1: people are better than me who hate and kill Jesus.
Speaker 1: Imagine if they're teaching Muslims are better than you or
Speaker 1: Hindus are better than you. Yeah, it's just backwards that
Speaker 1: they worship Jews who killed. I have no hatred towards Jews,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to worship them. And basically it's
Speaker 1: not just the it's not just the preachers, it's the
Speaker 1: politicians want to worship them the whole country. They have
Speaker 1: all these special laws like they're trying to make in America.
Speaker 1: They are putting people literally from the River to the
Speaker 1: Sea of Girls in jail. But if you said Israel
Speaker 1: should be free from or Israel could take over that land,
Speaker 1: you're fine. If you say you just want gods that
Speaker 1: to be free Joel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course they are saying now that we're quote
Speaker 2: unquote liberating the Iranian people as we bomb squamb there's schools,
Speaker 2: bumb hospitals, bob apartment buildings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just evil.
Speaker 2: I mean so yeah, like I think that I just
Speaker 2: want people just to be able to just see real
Speaker 2: clearly and just be able to call out evil. Again,
Speaker 2: whether a Christian don't a quote unquote a Christian does
Speaker 2: something evil or it doesn't really matter. You mean, it's like,
Speaker 2: just just just call out a sin for what it
Speaker 2: is and do not support people who protect pedophiles and
Speaker 2: bomb bomb schools.
Speaker 1: No, it's the crazy thing. As I call out Christians Muslims,
Speaker 1: they're evil both. Then when you call the Jews, they
Speaker 1: call you an anti sem anti semi, try to ruin
Speaker 1: your life, get you canceled. It's like, oh this is interesting.
Speaker 2: No, I mean well, I mean I think that the
Speaker 2: only positive part about that now is like that word
Speaker 2: has lost. No, it's lost basically all the meaning. It's
Speaker 2: like they've used it too many times and at this
Speaker 2: point it's kind of like.
Speaker 1: It's just probably things are probably go too far the
Speaker 1: other way. It's a sad truth. But you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm very moderate now. A few years ago
Speaker 1: I was considered extremely extreme anti Semitic, but I'm one
Speaker 1: of the more moderate voices. Now people are way past me.
Speaker 1: I don't want any harm to these people.
Speaker 2: I was just pointing out, Yeah, that is that is concerning,
Speaker 2: because I think that's the main thing that that I
Speaker 2: think as as a Christian. I like to give people
Speaker 2: the benefit, especially if like I'm talking to them one
Speaker 2: on one. Yeah, it's like I'm not I don't want
Speaker 2: to have all these super preconceived notions about people, and
Speaker 2: so now try to attribute the acts of few to everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, that in itself is an evil thing,
Speaker 2: and so we don't need as Christians to do that.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: It also doesn't mean that we need to be completely
Speaker 2: naive to things where you know, like the Bible tells
Speaker 2: us to be as wives as serpents and innocent as doves.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't mean to naturally just be naive to
Speaker 2: like let people take advantage of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's showsen people, But I'm accountable, But we don't
Speaker 1: want to say they're all bad. But you do start
Speaker 1: seeing this particular group has been manipulating our politicians features.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's the dangerous part about the idea
Speaker 2: of that these people are not dumb, so they might
Speaker 2: use the more extreme factions to again perpetuate actual, real evil,
Speaker 2: which they can justify again by taking away rights, sort
Speaker 2: of like people like you and me, I can't talk
Speaker 2: about this because you was just your words become violence.
Speaker 1: And managed talking to synagogues. I'll probably try to use
Speaker 1: that ticket rights away. Yeah, sure, earned out the guy's
Speaker 1: family was killed a couple of days before in Lebanon.
Speaker 1: Now that no way justifies it, but it adds a
Speaker 1: little perspective. You know, short, I went crazy doesn't justify
Speaker 1: a terrorist tag, but they just killed his family a
Speaker 1: couple of days before.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, well there's reasons, Like some people have
Speaker 2: reasons for being upset.
Speaker 1: Yeah he wasn't. He wasn't upset for no reason. Doesn't
Speaker 1: justify it, but he was he had a good reason
Speaker 1: to be angry. Yeah. Yeah, we had a wrap work
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