1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Imagine for a second that you are the President of 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,599 the United States. Okay, you're sitting in the Oval Office. 3 00:00:05,719 --> 00:00:07,960 It is two in the morning, right. You have the 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,880 nuclear codes literally within arms reach. You have these daily 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:18,480 briefings on every single geopolitical shift, every terror threat, every 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:23,280 economic wobble, every covert operation happening in the absolute dark 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:24,280 corners of the globe. 8 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: You are arguably the most informed person on the planet. 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,879 Speaker 1: Exactly, you have access to the library of secrets that 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,480 literally no one else gets to see. 11 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:34,799 Speaker 2: It is the ultimate position of knowledge, or at least 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,640 we assume it is. We assume that the clearance level 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,520 of the commander in chief is absolute, right. 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,439 Speaker 1: But there is one one specific question that seems to 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,840 loom a lot larger than all the rest, and it 16 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,880 is the question that every single one of us has 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,920 asked at some point, usually while you're staring up at 18 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,039 a night sky, during a camping trip or just taking 19 00:00:53,039 --> 00:00:54,119 the dog out for a walk. 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: Are we alone? 21 00:00:55,159 --> 00:00:57,479 Speaker 1: Are we alone? It is the ultimate secret. 22 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: And the one that arguably changes every thing about how 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:06,040 we view ourselves, our history, our religions, and obviously our future. 24 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:10,400 And the common assumption is pretty straightforward. If anyone knows 25 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,560 the answer, the real, actual answer. It has to be 26 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:14,079 the president. 27 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: We assume they know. We assume there's a book like 28 00:01:16,599 --> 00:01:18,799 in that one movie, or a bunker or a specific 29 00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:21,079 Manila folder with a giant red stamp on. 30 00:01:21,079 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: It, right, a big top secret stamp. 31 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. But what if the answer isn't just a simple 32 00:01:25,159 --> 00:01:27,760 yes or no hidden in a vault somewhere. What if 33 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:30,760 the relationship between the Oval Office and the unexplained is 34 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,920 actually significantly more personal. 35 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: That is where the data we have today takes a 36 00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:39,439 very strange, very compelling turn, because if you look at 37 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,519 the numbers, and I want us to really dig into 38 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,599 the statistics today, because they are frankly baffling. Being the 39 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,120 president doesn't just give you clearance. It seemingly makes you 40 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:48,719 a magnet. 41 00:01:48,879 --> 00:01:51,159 Speaker 1: It sounds totally insane. I know, I looked at these 42 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:53,719 numbers maybe three times before we started recording, just to 43 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,040 be sure. 44 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, they jump right off the page. 45 00:01:55,599 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: They really do. But what if I told you that 46 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:01,319 being president makes you significantly more likely to see a 47 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:05,159 UFO than the average everyday citizen. And I am not 48 00:02:05,239 --> 00:02:08,599 talking about a rounding error or a slight statistical bump. 49 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:12,039 I am talking about a massive, inexplicable anomaly. 50 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: It's a deviation so large it forces us to ask 51 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,960 a totally different kind of question. And we aren't just 52 00:02:18,039 --> 00:02:21,439 talking about modern sightings, you know, radar blips or the 53 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:24,000 famous tic TAC videos from the Navy pilots that have 54 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:26,439 been all over the news lately. We were talking about 55 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,319 a thread, a thrilling thread, if you will, that runs 56 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,280 all the way back to the very foundation of the country. 57 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,199 Speaker 1: We are going back to the freezing woods of Valley 58 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:38,759 Forge in seventeen seventy seven, to a vision that might 59 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,360 have quite literally saved the American Revolution. 60 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: And potentially scripted the entire history of the United States. 61 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling threads. Today we are pulling on perhaps 62 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,719 the most controversial, high stakes, loose end in American history. 63 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:52,159 We are looking at the interception of the White House 64 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,719 and well, whatever is out there, it is. 65 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: Great to be here, and I think it is really 66 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,360 important to set the stage for you listening right off 67 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,560 the bat. Today isn't about ghost stories. Now, it isn't 68 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,639 about tinfoil hats or conspiracy theories you found on a 69 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,039 message board at three in the morning. We are looking 70 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,159 at official transcripts. We are looking at reports from the 71 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,639 History Channel. We are examining interviews with former Ministry of 72 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,919 Defense officials, political reporters, and actual archival accounts regarding George Washington. 73 00:03:21,039 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because usually when we talk about 74 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,639 this stuff, it is very fringe. It's hazy cell phone 75 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,479 videos and anonymous witnesses. But the sources we are looking 76 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:33,800 at today come from incredibly high level interviews. We are 77 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,840 talking about interactions between major national news anchors and sitting presidents. 78 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: We are analyzing power, secrecy and the potential influence of 79 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,479 non human intelligence on human history. And our mission today 80 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,159 is to analyze these claims exactly as they were reported. 81 00:03:49,639 --> 00:03:52,560 We aren't taking any political sides here, whether the source 82 00:03:52,639 --> 00:03:56,280 leans left or right. We are just presenting the material impartially. 83 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:59,280 We aren't endorsing them as absolute and disputable fact, but 84 00:03:59,319 --> 00:04:01,960 we arenalyzed the implications if they are true. 85 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: What does it mean if the destiny of the United 86 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,520 States isn't entirely in human hands? 87 00:04:06,759 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: Exactly? 88 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: That is the question that kept me up last night. 89 00:04:09,479 --> 00:04:12,159 So buckle up. We are going on a journey from 90 00:04:12,199 --> 00:04:14,719 the G twenty summit in Osaka all the way back 91 00:04:14,759 --> 00:04:17,519 to the Revolutionary War. Let's start with the modern day, 92 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,399 or well, twenty nineteen, a simpler time. 93 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: Maybe a very different political landscape certainly, but the questions 94 00:04:22,959 --> 00:04:24,759 were starting to fundamentally change totally. 95 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: So I want to set the scene for you. It 96 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,160 is Osaka, Japan, July twenty nineteen. It is the G 97 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,560 twenty Summit. You have the most powerful people in the 98 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,920 entire world all gathered in one room, high stakes trade wars, diplomacy, 99 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:39,399 global economy stuff. And amidst all this intense political pressure, 100 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,199 you have Tucker Carlson sitting down with President Donald Trump. 101 00:04:43,319 --> 00:04:47,959 Speaker 2: And context is really key here. Tucker Carlson obviously has 102 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,360 a massive platform, and he is known for asking let's 103 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:55,399 call them unconventional questions. He doesn't always stick to the standard, 104 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,839 sanitized talking points. 105 00:04:57,639 --> 00:04:59,439 Speaker 1: Right, and in the middle of this interview, Tucker just 106 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,079 goes for it. He asks, point blank are they real? 107 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:05,639 And he is referring, of course, to UFOs. Now, usually, 108 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,079 historically speaking, this is the moment where a politician. 109 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,959 Speaker 2: Laughs, oh yeah, the giggle factor exactly. 110 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: They chuckle, they make a joke about little green men, 111 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:16,360 or they smoothly deflect to something about defense spending or 112 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,079 weather balloons. 113 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:20,079 Speaker 2: For decades. That was the standard defense mechanism. If you 114 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,000 laugh at it, you don't have to give a real answer. 115 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,240 It delegitimizes the question exactly. 116 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,199 Speaker 1: But Trump doesn't laugh. I'm looking at the transcript right here, 117 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:32,319 and his answer is surprisingly specific. He says, personally, I 118 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:33,079 tend to doubt it. 119 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: I WoT to pause right there. Personally, I tend to 120 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:40,839 doubt it. That phrasing is fascinating from a linguistic perspective. Well, 121 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,319 he uses the word personally. He isn't speaking as the 122 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,759 institution of the presidency. He isn't saying the United States 123 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,959 government has determined there is no threat. He isn't saying 124 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,240 our top scientists say it is biologically impossible. He is 125 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:55,600 giving a personal opinion. 126 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: Right. 127 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,319 Speaker 2: It creates a deliberate separation between the man himself and 128 00:05:59,360 --> 00:05:59,839 the office. 129 00:05:59,879 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: He that is a really good catch. It is not 130 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,000 a hard no. It is a yeah. I'm not so sure. 131 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,519 It feels like he is hedging his bets. 132 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: And then he follows it up with a sentence that 133 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,959 really changes the entire game. He says, I've been briefed. 134 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,399 Speaker 1: I've been briefed. That is the key, isn't it. 135 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:19,439 Speaker 2: It absolutely is Think about what that implies for a 136 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,160 sitting president to go on camera and say I've been briefed. 137 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,360 It confirms that there's a formal governmental mechanism for this information. 138 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,879 It confirms that the topic is considered serious enough, credible enough, 139 00:06:31,079 --> 00:06:34,040 and matters enough to national security to reach the desk 140 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:34,319 of the. 141 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: President, which is wild in itself. Just imagine that morning briefing. 142 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:41,000 You are sitting there, maybe having your coffee, and they say, 143 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,600 mister President, here are the unemployment numbers, here is the 144 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:46,160 troop movement in the Middle East, and oh yeah, here 145 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,199 is the file on the flying discs that our navy 146 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:50,600 pilots are currently tracking. 147 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,199 Speaker 2: It completely validates the phenomenon, even if he doubts the 148 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,680 alien's part of it. He is confirming that the phenomenon 149 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:01,839 itself requires a presidential briefing. And Trump continues in the 150 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,000 transcript he admits, we have had people saying that they've 151 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,199 seen things. He specifically validates the pilots and the witnesses, right. 152 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: He doesn't call them crazy. He doesn't dismiss the sightings 153 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:15,240 as swamp gas or mass hysteria or a trick of 154 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,920 the light. He says, we have people saying they've seen things. 155 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:21,279 Speaker 2: He is walking a very careful tightrope. He validates the 156 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:24,319 military personnel because politically you cannot really call your own 157 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,519 talk gun pilots liars or say they are hallucinating. Yeah, 158 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,120 but he distances himself with the extraterrestrial conclusion. 159 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:32,439 Speaker 1: He says, I don't assume it's correct, but you know, 160 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,800 I have an open mind. That is the catchphrase right there, 161 00:07:35,839 --> 00:07:37,000 an open mind. 162 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,319 Speaker 2: Which is a very safe political stance, but also a 163 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:43,879 very telling one. It suggests ambiguity. If the answer was clearly, oh, 164 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,399 it is just weather balloons or is just secret Chinese drones, 165 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:50,560 he would likely just say that. We know. Trump isn't 166 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,120 shy about calling out adversaries. If he thought it was China, 167 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,560 he would probably just say it is China. 168 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,399 Speaker 1: That is true. He's not exactly known for holding back 169 00:07:57,439 --> 00:07:58,040 on that stuff. 170 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,839 Speaker 2: The fact that he keeps the door with I have 171 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:04,160 an open mind suggests that the briefing he received was 172 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,639 somehow inconclusive or here we go, or that the briefing 173 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,160 contained information that he absolutely cannot share, and personally I 174 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,199 tend to doubt it is the agreed upon cover. 175 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: Story which brings us to a really interesting figure in 176 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:20,800 our source material, Nick Pope. Yeah, for those listening who 177 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:23,399 aren't deep in the UFO lore, can you give us 178 00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:25,279 the resume on Nick Pope? Why should we care what 179 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:26,040 this guy thinks? 180 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:28,959 Speaker 2: Nick Pope is the real deal. He is a former 181 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,080 civil servant for the British Ministry of Defense in the 182 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,000 early nineties. He literally ran their UFO. 183 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,399 Speaker 1: Desk, an actual UFO desk. 184 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: Yes, his actual job was to investigate these sightings to 185 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,799 see if they posed a legitimate defense threat to the 186 00:08:42,879 --> 00:08:47,200 UK airspace. He knows the bureaucracy of secrecy inside and out. 187 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,399 He knows exactly how governments handle and bury classified information. 188 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,759 Speaker 1: So he is not just some guy on a form. 189 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:56,320 He is a guy who had the actual clearance exactly. 190 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: And Poop points out something really interesting about the behavior 191 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:02,440 of presidents regarding this specific topic. He calls it the 192 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,279 mum phenomenon. 193 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: Mum as in keeping mum staying silent right. 194 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:12,919 Speaker 2: Pope observes a distinct historical pattern. Presidents often speak quite 195 00:09:12,919 --> 00:09:15,080 freely about UFOs before they take. 196 00:09:14,879 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: Office, like on the campaign trail. 197 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,919 Speaker 2: Yes, Jimmy Carter actually filed an official UFO report when 198 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,840 he was governor of Georgia. He saw something he couldn't explain. 199 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,200 Ronald reaganhead sightings. Bill Clinton was incredibly curious about it 200 00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:28,639 and famously tried to get answers. 201 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: They are super chatty about it. They promise the voters 202 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,759 they will get to the bottom of it and release 203 00:09:32,799 --> 00:09:33,279 the files. 204 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,519 Speaker 2: But the moment they take the oath of office, the 205 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,200 moment they step into the Oval office, total silence. They 206 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,919 go completely mum, they go dark. 207 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: Why what happens in that room. 208 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,879 Speaker 2: Pope's theory is straightforward and quite chilling. They likely know 209 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,279 something that they've decided to keep from the public. 210 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,879 Speaker 1: That gives me chills just hearing it. It implies there 211 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,279 is a threshold of knowledge. You cross into the Oval office, 212 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,600 someone in a dark suit sits you down, shows you 213 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,840 the good stuff, maybe a high resolution photo, maybe a 214 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,759 piece of physical debris, maybe a clear video, and you 215 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:11,960 instantly realize, Okay, I cannot tweet about this, I cannot 216 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,399 talk about this at a press conference. 217 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:16,159 Speaker 2: Pope actually questions the morality of it. In the source. 218 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,240 He says, I don't know what they know, and so 219 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:19,840 perhaps they have a good reason to lie to the 220 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,240 public about it, But I doubt it. 221 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,159 Speaker 1: I doubt it. He seriously doubts that they have a 222 00:10:23,159 --> 00:10:25,440 good reason to lie. That is a heavy accusation coming 223 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,279 from a former government official. 224 00:10:27,039 --> 00:10:29,519 Speaker 2: It is. But if we connect this to the bigger picture, 225 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,480 we really have to ask what constitutes a good reason 226 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:34,519 to keep the ultimate secret from humanity? 227 00:10:34,799 --> 00:10:38,879 Speaker 1: Panic? Right, the classic war of the world's mass hysteria argument, 228 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,240 people running in the streets. 229 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 2: That is the standard Hollywood argument, people can't handle the truth. 230 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,960 But maybe it is more practical than that. Maybe the 231 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:51,600 truth is so complex, maybe it involves alternate dimensions or 232 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:54,320 advanced consciousness or physics. We don't even have the map 233 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:58,000 to understand yet that explaining it in a standard thirty 234 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,120 minute press briefing is literally impossible. How do you explain 235 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:04,879 to the public that reality fundamentally isn't what they think 236 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:05,279 it is. 237 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,279 Speaker 1: Or is it something a lot darker, like we know 238 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:09,360 they are here and there is absolutely nothing we can 239 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:09,879 do about it. 240 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: Exactly. Nothing scares the government more than admitting a total 241 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,840 lack of control. If the briefing is they are here, 242 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:19,039 they are a thousand times faster than us, and our 243 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,360 weapons are useless. No president wants to go on national 244 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:24,120 television and say that. 245 00:11:23,639 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: That is terrifying my fellow Americans. We are not at 246 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,960 the top of the food chain. Good night and good 247 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:29,240 luck precisely. 248 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: But the public vibe shifted again recently, didn't it. The 249 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,080 source material highlights a major change around the twenty twenty 250 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:35,759 election cycle. 251 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's look at that. There is this report from 252 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,159 Damon Steer of the Conway Daily Sun. He is a 253 00:11:42,159 --> 00:11:45,000 reporter up in New Hampshire. Now, New Hampshire is a 254 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,639 key primary state, first in the nation usually, so every 255 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:51,960 single candidate who wants to be president essentially asked to 256 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,840 go through Damon Steer at some point. 257 00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: And by twenty twenty, asking about UFOs wasn't a joke 258 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:57,879 question anymore. 259 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,799 Speaker 1: It wasn't the let's have a laugh at the end 260 00:11:59,799 --> 00:12:02,080 of the interview kind of question. It wasn't what's your 261 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,559 favorite color. It was treated as a serious policy. 262 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:08,919 Speaker 2: Question, and the candidates were responding with serious, grounded answers. 263 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,639 The source quotes them saying things like it's very unlikely 264 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,039 that we're alone. 265 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: And crucially, they started talking about an actual action plan. 266 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:20,039 The source mentions a shift toward looking at what does 267 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,399 the science say, what does our military say? 268 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,039 Speaker 2: It is no longer science fiction. It is becoming a 269 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,559 vital national security and scientific inquiry. It is like this 270 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,000 stigma just evaporated almost overnight. 271 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:34,399 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say totally evaporated, but the conversation definitely moved 272 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:38,480 from the supermarket tabloids directly to the situation room. And 273 00:12:38,519 --> 00:12:41,279 that brings us to the most shocking piece of data 274 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,360 in this entire deep dive. I want to spend some 275 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,000 real time on this because when I read this in 276 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:48,039 our notes, I actually had to get a calculator and 277 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:48,960 double check the math. 278 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,279 Speaker 2: It is a statistical anomaly that absolutely demands an explanation. 279 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,919 Speaker 1: Okay, listener, are you ready for this? The source material 280 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,679 states that thirty six percent of all US presidents have 281 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,440 had encounters with unidentified or unexplained UFO phenomena. 282 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: Thirty six percent, more than one in three men who 283 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:08,279 have held the office. 284 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: Let's put that in context, because thirty six percent sounds 285 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,440 like a lot. But how does it compare to regular 286 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,360 people like you and me? 287 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,919 Speaker 2: If you pull the general public and there have been 288 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,480 multiple Gallop polls and Pew Research surveys on this exact 289 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:24,639 topic over the years, usually about ten percent to maybe 290 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,320 fifteen percent of Americans claim to have seen a UFO 291 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,600 at some point in their lives. 292 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,919 Speaker 1: Okay, so the baseline, the average is less, say, fifteen percent, 293 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,639 to be generous, right, But. 294 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: For the incredibly small elite group of men who have 295 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,240 held the highest office in the land, it is thirty 296 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,159 six percent. That is a full twenty points higher than 297 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:43,960 the average American. 298 00:13:44,039 --> 00:13:47,159 Speaker 1: That is a massive statistical devilation. If this were a 299 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,679 medical trial for a new drug, you would stop the 300 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,039 trial immediately and say, WHOA what is happening with this 301 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,559 specific group exactly? 302 00:13:53,919 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: It is statistically significant beyond a shadow of a doubt. 303 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:59,559 You are mathematically far more likely to see a UFO 304 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:02,200 if you are going to be or currently are the president. 305 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: So here's where it gets really really interesting. Why is 306 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,879 it just a bizarre coincidence? 307 00:14:08,039 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: Well, listen, pac the why. There are two main hypotheses 308 00:14:10,879 --> 00:14:12,639 we can draw from the sources we're examining. 309 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: Okay, hit me with hypothesis A first, the skeptic view, 310 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,720 the completely rational, mundane explanation. 311 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,399 Speaker 2: The skeptic view is entirely about opportunity and demographics. Who 312 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:28,000 historically becomes president in the United States Up until very recently, 313 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:32,200 it has predominantly been military men, generals and pilots right. 314 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush was a naval aviator in World 315 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,279 War II. JFK commanded a PT boat in the Navy. 316 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:43,759 Eisenhower was a five star general. Carter was a submarine 317 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:44,759 officer in the Navy. 318 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: Ford's served in the Navy as well. If you look 319 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,440 at the twentieth century, the primary path of the White 320 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,600 House went directly through the military. 321 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: So these guys spend a lot of time in the 322 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,440 sky or out on the open ocean on ships, or 323 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,080 just generally around advanced experiments technology. 324 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,679 Speaker 2: Exactly, if you spend thousands of hours staring at the 325 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:07,200 sky or scanning early radar screens or flying jets at 326 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,639 high altitudes, your baseline probability of seeing something unexplained goes 327 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,399 up naturally. It is a direct function of their career 328 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,559 path before they ever reach the White House. 329 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:19,919 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. It is basic exposure bias. 330 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,720 If you stand out in the rain long enough, you 331 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,559 get wet. If you fly experimental planes, you see weird 332 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:25,279 stuff in the sky. 333 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,279 Speaker 2: It is a logical, grounded, perfectly reasonable explanation, but the 334 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,320 source material suggests something else, entirely, something a bit more thrilling. 335 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: Threads hypothesis B. This is the one that really keeps 336 00:15:36,279 --> 00:15:37,759 me up at night. I always wondered if it's like 337 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:39,320 observing an Anhill. 338 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: Hypothesis B is that the phenomenon is actively attracted to them, 339 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:47,159 that they are actively being watched. Think about it. We 340 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,000 aren't just talking about modern sightings with radar and jets. 341 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:53,000 The source is very clear on this. It says we 342 00:15:53,039 --> 00:15:55,960 can date it back to eighteen hundred today six we 343 00:15:56,039 --> 00:15:57,240 can date it earlier than. 344 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: That, president after president after president. 345 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: If you look at it through the lens of a 346 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:04,360 non human intelligence. Let's use your aunt Hill analogy. If 347 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,840 you are an alien scientist observing an ant colony on Earth, 348 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:11,039 would you spend all your time meticulously watching the standard 349 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,759 worker ants carry little pieces of leaves, or would you 350 00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:18,240 focus your attention and your surveillance on the queen, on 351 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:18,840 the leaders? 352 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,519 Speaker 1: You watch the ones who actually make the decisions. You 353 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:24,480 watch the ones who control the direction of the colony decisely. 354 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:29,399 Speaker 2: If there is an intelligence monitoring us, whether for scientific research, 355 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,320 for containment, to make sure we don't blow ourselves up, 356 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:35,960 or for guidance, it makes logical strategic sense that they 357 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,279 would focus their surveillance on the individuals who hold the 358 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,919 most power, the ones of the nuclear codes, the ones 359 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:45,639 commanding the armies, the primary policy makers. 360 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: The source actually poses a really chilling question here. They 361 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:52,159 ask could aliens be trying to steer the destiny of 362 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:54,120 America by influencing its presidents? 363 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: And that specific word steer changes the entire narrative. 364 00:16:58,039 --> 00:17:00,559 Speaker 1: It really does. It shifts the whole thing from passive 365 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:04,440 observation like a BBC Nature documentary to active interference, like 366 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,279 they're actually reaching down and nudging the steering wheel of 367 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:08,079 human history. 368 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,039 Speaker 2: And if you want to talk about steering the destiny 369 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:12,359 of America, you have to go back to the exact 370 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,720 moment the wheel was first grabbed, if you go all 371 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:15,759 the way back to the beginning. 372 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: This is hands down my favorite part of the research 373 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,400 for this deep dive. We are leaving the modern era behind. 374 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:24,319 We are leaving the radar screens and the fighter jets 375 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,839 and the stuffy G twenty summits. We are going to 376 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,880 seventeen seventy seven. 377 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:33,759 Speaker 2: Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, the brutal winter of seventeen seventy seven. 378 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,839 Speaker 1: The situation is incredibly desperate. I mean, we all learn 379 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,799 about Valley Forge in middle school, history class. But the 380 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,880 source really paints a grim, harrowing picture. It wasn't just cold, 381 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,359 it was catastrophic. 382 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:49,839 Speaker 2: It was arguably the absolute lowest point of the entire revolution. 383 00:17:50,599 --> 00:17:53,200 The Continental Army had just been driven out of Philadelphia, 384 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,680 which is the acting capital. They were beaten, They were 385 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,599 completely starving. 386 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,519 Speaker 1: The source mentions the disease too. 387 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: Epidemic disease was ram in the camp typhus typhoid dysentery. 388 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:05,920 Men were dying by the dozens every single day just 389 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,160 from the conditions and the lack. 390 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: Of basic supplies, food shortages, clothing shortages. The source describes 391 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,039 men literally leaving bloody footprints in the snow because they 392 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:18,240 didn't even have shoes to wear. 393 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,799 Speaker 2: Imagine the psychological weight resting on George Washington's shoulders in 394 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:24,839 that moment. He is the commander. These are his men 395 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,559 freezing and dying in the snow. Optimism was, as the 396 00:18:28,599 --> 00:18:31,400 source puts it, dim and bleak. The American Revolution was 397 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:32,759 on the verge of total collapse. 398 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: If Washington fails here, if he gives up the United States, 399 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,559 American never happens. We remain a British colony. The entire 400 00:18:39,599 --> 00:18:41,599 trajectory of global history is rewritten. 401 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: So picture George Washington. He is at his absolute lowest point. 402 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,559 He is desperate for an answer. And what does he do. 403 00:18:47,839 --> 00:18:51,519 Speaker 1: He seeks solitude. He leaves the camp and goes deep 404 00:18:51,559 --> 00:18:53,920 into the freezing woods alone to pray. 405 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,279 Speaker 2: He is looking for guidance, He's looking for any shred 406 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:57,799 of hope. 407 00:18:57,839 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: And this is exactly where the encounter happened. 408 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,039 Speaker 2: According to the archival accounts mentioned in our source material, 409 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,839 Washington is entirely alone in the woods. When he sees something. 410 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: The source describes it as an image of the spirit 411 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,440 garbed in white. 412 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,079 Speaker 2: Now, language is incredibly crucial here. We have to be 413 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,000 very careful not to view history only through our modern 414 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:20,720 twenty first century lens, but also understand the limitations of 415 00:19:20,759 --> 00:19:21,759 their lens at the time. 416 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,559 Speaker 1: Right in seventeen seventy seven, they don't have the word ufo, 417 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,799 they don't say alien, they don't have the concept of 418 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,079 extraterrestrial biological entities. 419 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 2: If you see a luminous, glowing being appearing out of 420 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,920 thin air in the woods, how do you describe it 421 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,920 to your contemporaries. You use the vocabulary you had available. 422 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,160 You say angel, you say spirit. You frame it entirely 423 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,160 through a religious or mystical lens. 424 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: Because that is literally the only frame of reference that 425 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,759 makes any sense to a man living in the eighteenth 426 00:19:49,759 --> 00:19:50,960 century exactly. 427 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 2: But if we temporarily strip away the religious interpretation and 428 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,559 just look at the phenomenology of the event, a glowing 429 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,440 non human figure appearing from nowhere to a key military 430 00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:04,880 leader in a moment of extreme crisis, it lines up 431 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,839 incredibly comfortably with what modern eufologists might call a contact 432 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:10,880 event or a close encounter of the third kind. 433 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,519 Speaker 1: And this spirit doesn't just stand there glowing silently. It 434 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:18,160 delivers a message, an entire informational download. 435 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,559 Speaker 2: Two very distinct things happen. According to the account, First 436 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,599 is a direct assurance. It tells him you will win. 437 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: This war, which, given the pathetic state of his army, 438 00:20:27,759 --> 00:20:31,640 bleeding in the snow, dying of Typhus running out of ammunition, 439 00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:35,119 was a totally insane thing to hear, it was statistically impossible. 440 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,519 Speaker 2: But secondly, and perhaps much more importantly, the spirit laid 441 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:41,599 out for Washington the history of what would be the 442 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:42,720 United States of America. 443 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:45,559 Speaker 1: Oh, let's really pause on that specific phrase. It laid 444 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:46,880 out the history, that. 445 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,559 Speaker 2: Is the claim in the archives the implication is that 446 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,480 Washington was somehow shown the future. He was shown the 447 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:55,079 long term trajectory of the nation. He was currently fighting 448 00:20:55,079 --> 00:20:55,920 and bleeding to build. 449 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: So he goes into the woods, depressed, beaten, ready to surrender. 450 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: He comes out, how the sources, he returned invigorated and inspired. 451 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,559 He came back to the camp with a total, unshakable 452 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,880 conviction that it was divine fate for the United States 453 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:12,559 to exist. 454 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,759 Speaker 1: And the rest, as they always say, is history. He 455 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,599 miraculously defeated the British. The prophecy or the prediction or 456 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,519 the roadmap came entirely true. 457 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: But this brings us to the synthesis of this whole discussion, 458 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,440 the really difficult philosophical question. 459 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,039 Speaker 1: What is fascinating here is how we interpret the concept 460 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,400 of divine fate today versus back then. 461 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: Right to George Washington, this is God. It was Providence 462 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:37,680 acting on his behalf. It was a clear sign that 463 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:39,519 his cause was righteous and blessed. 464 00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:43,079 Speaker 1: But the ancient aliens theory or the modern ufl hypothesis 465 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,319 completely recontextualizes this event. If that spirit in the woods 466 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,759 was actually a non human intelligence, maybe a time traveler 467 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,119 or an extraterrestrial observer, Then what does divine fate actually mean? 468 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,119 In that context? 469 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:57,759 Speaker 2: It implies that the United States isn't just a random 470 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:00,480 political accident or the result of human determination, and it 471 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:03,160 implies it is a specific project, a. 472 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:06,279 Speaker 1: Project like a massive geopolitical lab experiment. 473 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,839 Speaker 2: If a non human intelligence laid out the history to Washington, 474 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:15,480 does that fundamentally mean American history is a pre written script? 475 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,039 Are we just blindly following a roadmap that was laid 476 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:20,960 out by something else centuries ago? 477 00:22:21,279 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: That connects right back to the steering comment we talked 478 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,240 about earlier. If thirty six percent of presidents are seeing 479 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,559 these things, are they just being checked on? Are the 480 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:32,640 cosmic project managers periodically dropping by the Oval office to 481 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,240 make sure the construction is going according to the blueprints? 482 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,519 Speaker 2: It is a disturbing but undeniably contelling thought. Is the 483 00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:43,279 silence that mum factor Nick Pope talked about, simply because 484 00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:46,200 the presidents eventually realize they aren't actually fully in charge. 485 00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: Imagine getting elected. You run this massive campaign, you win, 486 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:51,720 you think you are the most powerful person in the 487 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:54,759 entire world. You walk into that secure briefing room and 488 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,920 some general tells you, sir, you are just the middle manager. Here, 489 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,519 the regional supervisor is coming from Alphae Centaury to visit 490 00:23:01,559 --> 00:23:02,079 next week. 491 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: That would certainly explain the open mind Trump spoke of, 492 00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:09,480 and it perfectly explains the divine fate Washington felt so strongly. 493 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:13,720 Both reactions suggest a deep, sudden awareness of something vastly 494 00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:14,799 larger than themselves. 495 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:19,079 Speaker 1: It really reframes the whole idea of American exceptionalism, doesn't it. 496 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:22,119 Maybe we aren't exceptional just because we are so smart 497 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,400 or hard working or brave. Maybe we are exceptional because 498 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,960 we were deliberately. 499 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 2: Selected or manufactured. 500 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,279 Speaker 1: Oof manufactured, that is a really heavy word. 501 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: But look at the historical trajectory from an outside perspective. 502 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:38,680 A ragtag group of starving rebels miraculously defeats the world's 503 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,119 greatest military empire against all conceivable odds. Then, in a 504 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,880 mere blink of cosmic timeless than two hundred years, this 505 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,799 newborn nation becomes a global technological superpower, splits the atom 506 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,440 and physically goes to the moon. 507 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,039 Speaker 1: It is an incredibly fast ascent when you look at 508 00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:57,640 the timeline of human civilization. 509 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 2: Was that purely human ingenuity or is that the script 510 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,279 laid out in the freezing woods of the Valley Forge. 511 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,200 Was Washington quite literally given the cheat codes to build 512 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:06,880 a superpower? 513 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: That is the big question. 514 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 2: You know, we started this deep dive talking about Tucker 515 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,759 Carlson and Donald Trump a very modern media heavy, brightly 516 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:18,079 lit moment, and we ended up in the dark snow 517 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,599 with George Washington in a glowing spirit. 518 00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: And the primary thread connecting them is this undeniable mathematical 519 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,960 statistical anomaly. The president see things. The presidents know things 520 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:29,559 that we don't. 521 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: The government publicly claims to know very little. They play coy, 522 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,480 they say, personally, I tend to doubt it, But the 523 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:41,759 hard statistics and the persistent historical anecdotes screamed the exact opposite. 524 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:46,799 They suggested deep, highly classified, centuries long relationship between the 525 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:48,240 presidency and the unexplained. 526 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:51,799 Speaker 1: It leaves us with the final, incredibly provocative thought for you, 527 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,960 tomul Over. The source suggests the Spirit told Washington the 528 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:55,880 future history of. 529 00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:57,319 Speaker 2: The US right the whole roadmap. 530 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: If that is actually true, did Washington know oh about 531 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,559 the Civil War? Did he know the country would carry 532 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,680 itself apart? Did he know about the World Wars? Did 533 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,799 he know about the moon landing? 534 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 2: Did he know about the invention of the Internet about 535 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,400 us having this conversation right now. 536 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:14,039 Speaker 1: It is completely mind blowing to think about what he 537 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:14,880 might have been shown. 538 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: And this raises a crucial final question. If the timeline 539 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,319 was laid out in seventeen seventy seven, are we still 540 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,880 faithfully following that script today or have we somehow deviated 541 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:26,440 from the plan? 542 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,039 Speaker 1: And if we have deviated, is that why the modern 543 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,799 sightings seem to be increasing? Are they coming back more 544 00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:34,680 often to nudge us and put us back on track. 545 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,759 Speaker 2: Or worse, to cancel the project entirely? 546 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:39,599 Speaker 1: Okay, on that incredibly ominous note, I need to hear 547 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,440 from you, the listener. What is your stand on all 548 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,200 of this information. 549 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: Do you think the phenomenally high percentage of presidential sightings 550 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,480 is just a simple coincidence of military service, or is. 551 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,519 Speaker 1: There an active, ongoing attempt by something else to guide 552 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:56,960 the leadership of this country. Was Washington's vision a divine 553 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,960 miracle or was it a calculated cosmic intervention? 554 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,799 Speaker 2: It is ultimately a question of whether we are the 555 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,960 true authors of our own history or merely the actors 556 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,279 performing on a stage that someone else built for us. 557 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:10,519 Speaker 1: Leave a common below. Let us know your theory. We 558 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:12,759 read all of them, and honestly, sometimes your theories are 559 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,039 way scarier than the actual research we dig up. 560 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: Indeed they are. 561 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on thrilling threads. Keep pulling those 562 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,039 loose ends. You never know what you might unravel next. 563 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: Until next time,