Speaker 1: It's squeaky bun time at the bottom and the top
Speaker 1: Wigginer a team who's momentum won't stop Giants off the bottom.
Speaker 1: After four in a row, Bradford and Hull suffered a
Speaker 1: devastating blow. Many results didn't go how we both thought.
Speaker 1: For how many pounds will super League be bought? Welcome
Speaker 1: to the thirty third episode of Super League three sixty,
Speaker 1: a podcast primarily about the top tier of British rugby league,
Speaker 1: but we do talk some ouzzy rugby league as well.
Speaker 1: My name is Lee Addison.
Speaker 2: My name is John Davidson.
Speaker 1: My good friend John is in the UK a journalist,
Speaker 1: but obviously he can tell by his accent. He's still
Speaker 1: working on his Yorkshire accent and I'm still working on
Speaker 1: my Brisbane one, even though I've been here for over
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Speaker 1: podcast each week. I want to start this week, John
Speaker 1: a little bit different to the way we normally start.
Speaker 1: We normally go through the games and whatnot. But I
Speaker 1: think we can't underestimate how much of a massive moment
Speaker 1: it is for rugby league in the UK, the fact
Speaker 1: that yes, yes, the NRL have finally come up with
Speaker 1: a deal. Now we've got so much to unpack. I
Speaker 1: just want to let you know that I've given myself
Speaker 1: the Rugby League Tweet of the Week award this week.
Speaker 1: I've awarded it to myself and this will be a
Speaker 1: great conversation starter, I think. And it was the tweet
Speaker 1: I did where I said so super League is worth
Speaker 1: about one quarter of the record transfer fee in the
Speaker 1: Premier League, a similar price to buying Girly in Carland's
Speaker 1: left leg. No wonder the game is struggling in the UK.
Speaker 1: According to an article in the Sydney Morning Herald, the
Speaker 1: offer is basically designed for the NRL to take over
Speaker 1: the running of the Super League, with the funds coming
Speaker 1: from a joint venture with the zone and that the
Speaker 1: subscription package and the TV deal, if you like, would
Speaker 1: be for do Zonne and NRL to partner on a
Speaker 1: rugby league pass offering to English fans so they can
Speaker 1: watch the NRL as well. So Thursday's offer was the
Speaker 1: first step. Apparently some NRL clubs have expressed a willingness
Speaker 1: to forge more strategic ties with clubs in England should
Speaker 1: it go through. The NRL wants to apparently turn around
Speaker 1: the financial fortunes of the league because so many of
Speaker 1: the clubs are losing money. So I've just paraphrased some
Speaker 1: of the article from Adrian Pasenko. I think it was
Speaker 1: in the Sydney Morning Herald. Yeah, dive in John, let
Speaker 1: me know what you've got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was so essentially the offer was submitted Wednesday.
Speaker 3: What are we Sunday morning here now, and then the
Speaker 3: Super League clubs met on Thursday morning. Now, it's been
Speaker 3: probably eighteen months that this story is wrong, but on
Speaker 3: hasn't it. There was meetings in Vegas in twenty five
Speaker 3: with Mike Danson and Simon Ram with Peter Vandy's but
Speaker 3: we haven't actually had there hasn't been an offer, an
Speaker 3: official offer submitted to super League to the RFL until
Speaker 3: last week or two, a few days ago, so that
Speaker 3: was obviously a big moment.
Speaker 2: I'd heard just before.
Speaker 3: That from a source in the NRL that Peter Laney's
Speaker 3: actually wanted to get a deal done with super League
Speaker 3: before his NROL TV rights deal with Design was done,
Speaker 3: because I think that was the common thought that the
Speaker 3: super League's rights would be packaged in with the NRL.
Speaker 2: And obviously, you know.
Speaker 3: They've got five point three billion over seven years in
Speaker 3: Australian dollars, which is what two point six five billion pounds,
Speaker 3: so that some of that money could have been used
Speaker 3: for part of the super League offer. Now obviously that
Speaker 3: didn't happen, so we've got to this point. The offer
Speaker 3: was submitted.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I spoke to a lot of people on Thursday afternoon
Speaker 3: for the story I wrote for the I I think
Speaker 3: the general consensus was people were happy to receive an
Speaker 3: offer after dating months, but they weren't overwhelmed by the offer.
Speaker 3: You know, the figure that was there wasn't wow. Now,
Speaker 3: I think Deloitte has valued who the RLC regular commercial
Speaker 3: appointed in April, they valued super League a lot higher.
Speaker 2: I think there was a figure that had been banded
Speaker 2: about about one hundre.
Speaker 3: Fifty million, so effectively the NROL offer is it was valued.
Speaker 3: I just want to make this clear because I think
Speaker 3: there is a bit of confusion now they're offering to
Speaker 3: buy Rugby League Commercial. Now Rugby League Commercial controls the
Speaker 3: commercial rights, the broadcasting, the marketing, the events rights of
Speaker 3: rugby league. In the UK it's a joint venture between
Speaker 3: Super League and the RFL. They own fifty to fifty each.
Speaker 3: This is where it gets so confusion because in Australia,
Speaker 3: as you know, you've got the RLC, which you know
Speaker 3: is in charge of the NROL, and the NROL controls everything,
Speaker 3: doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Like I know, there's the.
Speaker 3: New so World Rugby League, the Queens and the Rugby League,
Speaker 3: but effectively the NRL is the number one body. But
Speaker 3: in England you've got the RFL, which controls everything. But
Speaker 3: then you've got Super League is a separate part run
Speaker 3: effectively by the member clubs, and you've got Rugby Leage
Speaker 3: Commercial which controls the commercial broadcasting side. And then you've
Speaker 3: later got the RFL Council, which is everyone who gets
Speaker 3: a vote you know for it be Batley or Midlands
Speaker 3: or the armed Forces, et cetera. So it is a
Speaker 3: bit confusing. But the initial reaction I got was this
Speaker 3: was a first offer. Clubs weren't impressed by it, but
Speaker 3: they want to negotiate. It's not like, you know, we
Speaker 3: don't want this offer.
Speaker 2: That's it. It's dead in the water.
Speaker 3: They want to push for more money. It was I
Speaker 3: was told to me that there will be a meeting
Speaker 3: next Thursday, and then another meeting Thursday after that as
Speaker 3: talks continue. Now the Sydney Morning Herald that you reference article,
Speaker 3: which I think was in Saturday's paper. It was interesting
Speaker 3: that it said that this was likely to be the
Speaker 3: only offer. Now, whether that's a message from the NRL
Speaker 3: or whether that's one hundred percent spot on, I don't know.
Speaker 3: So that's interesting the difference in thought from the Northern
Speaker 3: the Southern hemisphere, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I if I was giving the RFL and the various
Speaker 1: bodies that are involved in this any advice, I would
Speaker 1: take no notice whatsoever about what the land is might
Speaker 1: lead to the press, because just over a week ago
Speaker 1: it was we don't think a deal can get done,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden there was an offer
Speaker 1: on the on the table. Also, I think I know
Speaker 1: why Valand has wanted it earlier, because now that he's
Speaker 1: just signed a new broadcast deal, everyone knows they've got
Speaker 1: some money. So the players want a bit of it,
Speaker 1: the States want a bit of it, and of course
Speaker 1: the English game wants a bit of that too. This
Speaker 1: whole thing, and to put it into some kind of context,
Speaker 1: I think the best predictor of what Man will do
Speaker 1: is what Man has done and I and I would
Speaker 1: put this right now in terms of British super League
Speaker 1: or European super League. Sorry, I put this in the
Speaker 1: same category as nineteen seventies when the Cane report came
Speaker 1: in and it was critical of Eddy wearing and whatnot
Speaker 1: and the things that happened. I would put it in
Speaker 1: the same basket. As how, the game had to take
Speaker 1: a close look at itself after the nineteen eighteen eighty
Speaker 1: two Kangaroota from a performance perspective that was seasoning then too.
Speaker 1: It's similar time in the game to Framing the Future,
Speaker 1: which was the precursor to super League. We then, of
Speaker 1: course had the Super League money and now IMG and
Speaker 1: then the NRL. Now, what's a common denominator across all
Speaker 1: of those things.
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 1: To everybody on the outside. You know John Kaine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is a Manchester wiz kid. They used to call him.
Speaker 1: He must know what he's talking about. But the game
Speaker 1: pushed back and John Kaine got frustrated with what went
Speaker 1: on nineteen eighty two. The English performance has never recovered.
Speaker 1: The British performance has never recovered since nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1: Framing the Future, there was some pushback based on that.
Speaker 1: In fact, it probably didn't get enough time to be
Speaker 1: ingested completely because Super League came on the scene. Now
Speaker 1: many people will forget that. Morris Lindsay came on the
Speaker 1: Late Morris Lindsay came on television to announce the deal
Speaker 1: with Sky at the time and they were mergers. He
Speaker 1: was on about Wakefield and Castleford merging and some other
Speaker 1: teams Manchester from Salford and Oldham, etc. And the game
Speaker 1: pushed back on that as well. So what we ended
Speaker 1: it with was, oh, don't get me wrong, it was
Speaker 1: far better packaged than the Sky, but it was lipstick
Speaker 1: on a pig. It was the same thing but packaged
Speaker 1: a little bit differently. And then we've got the IMG
Speaker 1: crit areas and whatnot. There's been plenty of pushback about that.
Speaker 1: There's been different patterns in the media of people being
Speaker 1: critical of it and whatnot. And now we've got the NRL.
Speaker 1: Now I can't, for the life of me, John see
Speaker 1: all the people involved in the UK being happy to
Speaker 1: just transfer power over to Australia and that will potentially
Speaker 1: be the sticky point.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, no, I mean, just jumping back
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the common denominators you say with the game report,
Speaker 3: with framing the future, all those things is they didn't
Speaker 3: get implemented. The game pushback and they didn't get implemented,
Speaker 3: so there wasn't really proper change. Now with I just
Speaker 3: want to clear up a little bit thing with this deal.
Speaker 3: People think so on the a lot on the Australian side,
Speaker 3: I think, why would they not accept it? You know,
Speaker 3: super exciting. On the English side, the general consensus is
Speaker 3: it's not enough money. Some people think that the NRLs
Speaker 3: try and wrote them Baldom et cetera, et cetera. Now, obviously,
Speaker 3: if you're going to buy something, you're not going to
Speaker 3: pay overs, are you if you can avoid it.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just common sense in a house and.
Speaker 1: It's a negotiation tactic, you know, Yeah, but loan you
Speaker 1: go high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would add to I would add to that,
Speaker 3: the NRL is not buying super League to destroy it
Speaker 3: or run into.
Speaker 2: The ground like that. Now, just like cutting off your
Speaker 2: nose despite your face like that makes no sense. The
Speaker 2: other thing that I find is there's been lost here.
Speaker 3: Is that so this six or seven million quid depending
Speaker 3: on currency exchange whatever, you know, a year for five
Speaker 3: years to get to thirty million for fifty percent ownership.
Speaker 3: That is not six or seven million as I understand it.
Speaker 3: And I could be wrong because the detail hasn't been
Speaker 3: publicly shared, but that's not for the clubs. Now, what
Speaker 3: I my understanding of the deal would be is Sky
Speaker 3: have say three games of the seven they pay roughly
Speaker 3: what they're paying now, which is twenty one point five
Speaker 3: million pounds, and then Dezone have the other four games.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what Dezone would be willing to
Speaker 3: throw in for that. Would that be six million, would
Speaker 3: it be ten million, whatever it is. So with design,
Speaker 3: you would have those four super League games, you would
Speaker 3: have all the NRL games, you'd have all the watch
Speaker 3: NRL stuff, so you'd have the Maddie john Ship all
Speaker 3: that stuff. So obviously you know the consumers will have
Speaker 3: to pay more, but overall there will be more money
Speaker 3: for the clubs. Now that would mean that they're getting
Speaker 3: more money than they're getting now under the current deal.
Speaker 3: And then that six million would be ring fence for
Speaker 3: the center, so that would go to promoting super League, marketing,
Speaker 3: super League advertising, super League pathways, all things that the
Speaker 3: RFL currently doesn't do because it has no money. Now
Speaker 3: that for me is massive because you can give clubs
Speaker 3: more money and the owners will be losing less, but
Speaker 3: that's not going to change the overall state of rugby
Speaker 3: league in England. There are so many things people figuring
Speaker 3: is there's so many things that need to change. There
Speaker 3: needs to be new leadership, there needs to be, you know,
Speaker 3: a push for the game to be in schools. The
Speaker 3: whole media profile, the publicity needs to change, you know,
Speaker 3: the way they engage with the media, the access they give.
Speaker 3: There are so many things. I could write you a
Speaker 3: two hundred point list, and I know you know most
Speaker 3: of them anyway, and you've been Australia for twenty years,
Speaker 3: but you know how much things need to change.
Speaker 2: So that's the key.
Speaker 3: Here is not the money figure for me, it's the
Speaker 3: it's the expertise, it's the operations. And we don't know
Speaker 3: who would sit on an independent commission. We don't know
Speaker 3: who from the NROL from Australia might be, or who
Speaker 3: they would hire to run the game. We don't know
Speaker 3: who they put positions. We don't know whether it be
Speaker 3: a team, We don't know. You know, there's no detail
Speaker 3: about fourteen teams, fifteen teams London coming. We're not at
Speaker 3: that stage. That's far down the line. We're not even
Speaker 3: close to that. What happens with IMG, we're not even
Speaker 3: at that point. We're just literally at a starting point.
Speaker 2: So people are getting way over excited, you know, asking
Speaker 2: what happens to the championship, what happens to you know,
Speaker 2: all the other elements. The NRL is interested in Super League.
Speaker 3: This is the initial thing, right Unfortunately, thing with the
Speaker 3: championship is the money that's involved there or to fund it. Well,
Speaker 3: it does come from the TV deal, like, it's not
Speaker 3: the priority. So yeah, I just I just ended at
Speaker 3: that point saying the opportunity here is massive. So it's
Speaker 3: not just about pure whole figures and money like it's
Speaker 3: the other things that the NRL could provide, and I
Speaker 3: think people have got to consider that when it's just
Speaker 3: not about Okay, how much money do we get individually.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's quite a limited, kind of
Speaker 3: selfish way of looking at this whole thing.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the word expertise, and because the NRL are
Speaker 1: doing such a good job of marketing the game in
Speaker 1: Australia right now, Yeah, I do support the CEOs and
Speaker 1: the chair men and chair women at the moment who
Speaker 1: were a little bit reticent because in this context, because
Speaker 1: we go into a very different market in the UK.
Speaker 1: For example, Salford have gone already, but Warrington, Wigan, Saint
Speaker 1: Helen's they are all within the same and similar boundaries
Speaker 1: to two of the three of the biggest four of
Speaker 1: the biggest English Premier League clubs in the world, and
Speaker 1: and London. London has actually failed on about eight occasions
Speaker 1: before two Australians have come in and contributed to it
Speaker 1: again because what happens in Australia is it seems like
Speaker 1: a no brainer for rugby league to be in London.
Speaker 1: It seems like a no brainer to have a Manchester franchise,
Speaker 1: for example, But there's unique circumstances within within the country
Speaker 1: as well. So I understand that little bit of a
Speaker 1: pushback from the from the sea yels and chairs of
Speaker 1: the of the Super League when it comes to this,
Speaker 1: just because it's an RL expertise doesn't mean it's necessarily
Speaker 1: going to translate into British expertise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to push back a little bit
Speaker 3: on that thinking. And I do agree with you in part.
Speaker 3: But and yeah, I had this conversation with someone yesterday like,
Speaker 3: I don't know who's advising the NRL on what rugby
Speaker 3: league is like in the UK, because yet there may
Speaker 3: be some assumptions being made. I'd imagine they would reach
Speaker 3: out to people who have worked in Super League who
Speaker 3: either you know, have whether it be running clubs at
Speaker 3: the RFL, in the media, players, coaches. You know, there
Speaker 3: are so many, many, many people in Australia who have
Speaker 3: that or have worked in England. It is a very
Speaker 3: different sports market, but there's this kind of perception, you know,
Speaker 3: football is massive and why bother competing and all this. No,
Speaker 3: there's no argument football in England is like a religion.
Speaker 3: It is massive, it's everywhere, But you don't need to
Speaker 3: compete with football. You don't have the aim here is
Speaker 3: not to beat football. I think if we were second,
Speaker 3: that would be huge. At the moment nationally we're probably
Speaker 3: fifth or sixth. If that's went so far from it
Speaker 3: and it really annoys me is thinking, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 3: got to compete with the Premier League and the Champions
Speaker 3: League and the Championship and League one, League two non leagues.
Speaker 2: But that's all great. Like if rugby league.
Speaker 3: Was the second sport or the third sport even though
Speaker 3: it could be the fourth spoard in some markets in
Speaker 3: and I'm talking city markets in England, so that'd be huge.
Speaker 3: You mentioned London, like where does the London sit? So
Speaker 3: rugby union massively ahead of it, cricket massively ahead of it.
Speaker 3: I would say boxing even though it's not a direct comparison.
Speaker 3: Is it's not a league season, but you know boxing
Speaker 3: will get one hundred thousand people at Wembley.
Speaker 2: Darts.
Speaker 3: You know basketball's got a national competition. I know the
Speaker 3: attendances aren't massive, but exists ice hockey. You know, I
Speaker 3: live close to Sheffield. The Sheffield Eagles be fifth best
Speaker 3: if that rugby union, which doesn't even have it, has
Speaker 3: lower you know fifth sixth division teams get bigger crowds
Speaker 3: than the Eagles do and pay more money for the players.
Speaker 3: Are Sockey gets bigger basketball, So there's few markets and
Speaker 3: I would say Leeds is one. The Rhinos get less
Speaker 3: than Legion and I do, but they're a big club.
Speaker 3: And Wigan I don't know exactly what we're going athletic get,
Speaker 3: but you know they're competing there, but they don't need
Speaker 3: to be bigger than football. That's do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Like that's the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I never I never suggested that, No.
Speaker 3: Not you, but I see it on social media all
Speaker 3: the time and that's they also think And Paul Kadeker
Speaker 3: said this that the NRL is the premier League of
Speaker 3: Australia and that's complete nonsense.
Speaker 2: It's not nowhere near as dominant.
Speaker 1: No, I want to keep drilling down on this expertise,
Speaker 1: right because it doesn't matter. It's it's a bit similar,
Speaker 1: I think to one coach could work with Castleford and
Speaker 1: work fantastically and then go on coach Wigan and not
Speaker 1: work as fantastic. The same coach, the same expertise, but yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, And that's the analogy of what to use.
Speaker 1: Jason from Oki is a listener and he gave me
Speaker 1: two great questions this afternoon that I think are relevant
Speaker 1: to this point where we're at right now, because I
Speaker 1: want to focus on this word NRL expertise. His question
Speaker 1: was the NRL has just locked in a record right
Speaker 1: steal while expanding with Perth and P and G, a
Speaker 1: move already raising real concerns about diluting Australia's talent pool
Speaker 1: the state, the same long standing issue Super League faces,
Speaker 1: yet it's already tabled a formal offer seeking significant influence
Speaker 1: over the UK game. Do you think the ar L
Speaker 1: c under the land is actually has its house in
Speaker 1: order and the bandwidth for this and how transparent have
Speaker 1: they been about what it really means for Super League
Speaker 1: in their broader plans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's a really good question. I
Speaker 2: think I spoke.
Speaker 3: To someone senior in the game here the other day
Speaker 3: and they made a.
Speaker 2: Really interesting point.
Speaker 3: The rugby league tragic, so obviously me and you and
Speaker 3: many thousands of other people they would look at, you know,
Speaker 3: a second rate Queensland cup player or a second rate
Speaker 3: and he's so well as cup player coming out of
Speaker 3: Super big and say, oh, well, you know, the talent has.
Speaker 2: Dropped and whatever.
Speaker 3: But if you're just the average fan or the casual fan,
Speaker 3: you don't really care or probably know that so and
Speaker 3: so hasn't played fifty games for the South or one
Speaker 3: hundred games for the Broncos. Like they probably don't understand
Speaker 3: the difference, as long as that player is doing a
Speaker 3: good job, you know. The start power thing I think
Speaker 3: is well, it doesn't matter on some level. I don't
Speaker 3: think it necessarily translates to everything. So I think that's
Speaker 3: one way to look at it. But yeah, with all
Speaker 3: these new clubs, we do need to increase participation, we
Speaker 3: do need to increase pathways. But I just want to
Speaker 3: circle back a little bit to the NRL deal thing.
Speaker 3: The other way of looking at is, Okay, the offer
Speaker 3: is not the offers low and it's not what super
Speaker 3: League wants. What if they're not this back and I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that offer, but if they're not back a partnership,
Speaker 3: what is the playing b league?
Speaker 2: What do we do next? What? What?
Speaker 3: What? What opportunity do we have in the future, Like I.
Speaker 1: Think Nigel Nigel would at all they think they've got
Speaker 1: the answers don't they. So that's what they say is
Speaker 1: a plumb but they.
Speaker 2: Don't have the answers to leave that.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's you know, someone someone said that this
Speaker 3: to me the other day, and it is quite hilarious.
Speaker 3: Niger Wood, who was paid off by the game years ago,
Speaker 3: it's back running the game.
Speaker 2: Ralph River, who was paid off by the game years ago,
Speaker 2: he's back running a club.
Speaker 3: Rob Hicks, who was you know, left the RFL. I
Speaker 3: don't know whether he got a path or not, but anyhow,
Speaker 3: I was now back center RFL. Were there, you know,
Speaker 3: some of the key people in charge of this decision
Speaker 3: and in charge of run the sport. I mean, it
Speaker 3: is quite balmy. No, it doesn't seem they don't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it does seem to be. It doesn't seem to be
Speaker 3: a plan B. So you know, I don't know if
Speaker 3: this doesn't work out, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna drill I'm going to drill down still
Speaker 1: on the word expertise. But also the other word that
Speaker 1: Jason brought up was banned withidth the n r L
Speaker 1: of always announcing profits, this, that and the other. What
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand is that they've actually
Speaker 1: cut staff in a lot of places, particularly developed staff,
Speaker 1: head office staff and whatnot. Okay, so other people have
Speaker 1: told me that, yeah, that's n fact. Secondly, depending on
Speaker 1: who you talk to about the Perth Bears and the
Speaker 1: when I say depending and one group is everyone else,
Speaker 1: the other one is the n r L. Okay, Perth
Speaker 1: Bears is in real trouble, okay because of this skinnier staff.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a really important thing to talk
Speaker 1: about the bandwidth and the expertise. Plus there's a fair
Speaker 1: bit of expertise just left the room in Andrew Abdoll
Speaker 1: as well. Yes, so I think there were a great
Speaker 1: double act for the lands An Abdill. So there has
Speaker 1: to be genuine concerns I think, and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that that stops the deal. I think what needs to happen.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't care personally if these negotiations went on for
Speaker 1: three years to with a You know, you either want
Speaker 1: something to happen or you don't. Right, if you're in
Speaker 1: a marriage, you either want it to work or you don't.
Speaker 1: And if it takes three minutes to fix it or
Speaker 1: three years or three decades, if you want to fix it,
Speaker 1: you'll fix it. And I think I would like to
Speaker 1: see that. I don't appreciate these deadlines that keep getting mentioned.
Speaker 1: And I think it's such a big it's such a
Speaker 1: big moment for the British game that because there's no
Speaker 1: going inte it will work either. I understand what you say,
Speaker 1: nor plant guarantees.
Speaker 2: But you say you could say they go on for
Speaker 2: three years.
Speaker 3: They can't go on three yearsly because the broadcast deal
Speaker 3: ends in what four months? So those broadcast negotiations with
Speaker 3: Scott for the next of it are on hold at
Speaker 3: the moment because the TV, the sorry, the NRL deal
Speaker 3: is you know, it's related to this.
Speaker 2: They'd all impacts.
Speaker 3: So we do need to have a conclusion in I
Speaker 3: would say, you know, in the next probably fortnite.
Speaker 1: But I would say that's the first conclusion, right, doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you can't go back to it once. The other
Speaker 1: question from Jason was the n our own Super League,
Speaker 1: what are they actually going to do to support grassroots
Speaker 1: clubs And the answer he says is probably not enough.
Speaker 1: They should be asking how they get more kids, how
Speaker 1: do they compete with AFL and soccer So he's talking
Speaker 1: about Australia there, so yeah, yeah, and that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: So if we're looking at you know, I'll go back
Speaker 1: to my point. The best clue of what man will
Speaker 1: do is what Man has done. Yeah, the NRL have
Speaker 1: cutback on development, right, And when I go into bush
Speaker 1: areas and do what I do, I'm seeing more and
Speaker 1: more a f L posts because the a f L
Speaker 1: have a different way of going about the grassroots things.
Speaker 1: So so Jason is asking about focus being not just
Speaker 1: all on the on the top of the funnel, and
Speaker 1: you've already mentioned that the way the way the deal
Speaker 1: is structured, that that could be something forthcoming too.
Speaker 3: I think the whole, the whole game in England, and
Speaker 3: it's not just super Lue, but the whole game, from
Speaker 3: grassroots participation, championship, the pathways, they all need. It all
Speaker 3: needs root and branch review, you know, you need or
Speaker 3: a royal.
Speaker 2: Commission that you basically need. You know, a complete overhaul
Speaker 2: avery you need.
Speaker 3: You need an overhaul in media and marketing strategy, the
Speaker 3: way that clubs and people and players their access. You
Speaker 3: need the media, the media ecosystem that reports on the game.
Speaker 3: I mean I spoke to someone in the NERL media
Speaker 3: this week because, as you said, this story, this NRL
Speaker 3: Super League potential partnership story is massive. You know, I
Speaker 3: was on sen, I was on a few radio stations
Speaker 3: in the UK. I would have been on Triple M,
Speaker 3: but I was asleep, so I didn't get the message.
Speaker 3: But and you know, story in the natural newspaper. People
Speaker 3: want to hear about this like it is a massive,
Speaker 3: massive moment. So I completely lost my train of thought.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, no, I've got it now again. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: whole way. You know, the person in the Roman who
Speaker 3: was saying, you know, Peter Lane's will go on the
Speaker 3: front food in the media all the time, either talking
Speaker 3: the game up or responding or whatever. There's no one
Speaker 3: in England who does that. There's barely people who understand
Speaker 3: the media cycle or how to get publicity, or they're
Speaker 3: all either hiding from it or trying to control it,
Speaker 3: or they just don't understand content news cycle in the NRL.
Speaker 3: As you know in Australia, apart from the major newspaper
Speaker 3: organizations and TV companies which cover the game, there is
Speaker 3: an ecosystem of podcasts, social media whatever, which is just
Speaker 3: constant showing, isn't it. It's constant. You can't really escape it.
Speaker 3: And that's what football, that's what Premier League football has
Speaker 3: in the UK. Now rugby league in the UK isn't
Speaker 3: going to have that to the same extent, but it
Speaker 3: can work harder and it can do more to create
Speaker 3: and now whether that's like NRL dot com a website
Speaker 3: or a media organization that it runs, whether it's it's
Speaker 3: its own podcasts, whether it creates its own talk shows
Speaker 3: like an URS three sixty whatever, there are things that
Speaker 3: could be done to increase the coverage of the game.
Speaker 3: And then it's an ecosystem because players become more popular,
Speaker 3: they become bigger stars, because they're being written about more,
Speaker 3: they're being talked about more, and they need to be
Speaker 3: educated about how to do that.
Speaker 2: There's there's just so many.
Speaker 3: Things like we could go on, you know, as I
Speaker 3: said the writer two hundred point, you know, playing about
Speaker 3: things that need to change and not everything that works
Speaker 3: in Australia is going to work in England and vice versa.
Speaker 3: Like they are different markets, but they're not so alien
Speaker 3: that you know, we're not talking about ice hockey and
Speaker 3: Russia and rugby league in Australia like we are talking
Speaker 3: about a former colony that is very much, you know,
Speaker 3: molded in the shape of the UK with very similar system,
Speaker 3: you know, culturally, very similar in many many ways. Both
Speaker 3: You could argue sports mad countries, you know, but rugby
Speaker 3: league is a small sport, you know, we're not so different.
Speaker 1: Should we do our bit to make the players a
Speaker 1: bit more famous? Should we talk about some football now
Speaker 1: for a bit rather than the politics of it? And
Speaker 1: I know we've got more questions pertaining to the politics.
Speaker 1: We can throw them in and keep people politics. The
Speaker 1: thing that thing is.
Speaker 2: You are you are, you are right Lee like we are.
Speaker 3: We are to talk about the action on the field,
Speaker 3: but what happens off the field massively impacts the Actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah that and that's why that's why we've moved it
Speaker 1: to the top of the pod. This is the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: But you know we've we've done a good thirty minutes
Speaker 1: on it. Now, let's talk let's talk a bit of
Speaker 1: football for a bit, okay. Hull k R twenty eight
Speaker 1: Catalans ten. Broadband scored two for whole k R. Litton
Speaker 1: scored a try, Burgess scored one and May scored one.
Speaker 1: Martin kick four goals. Catalans ten came from stains making
Speaker 1: some an as Spiral BChE kick the goal and seem
Speaker 1: pretty confident. Comfortable for who KR that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very comfortable.
Speaker 3: This was on at the same time as another game
Speaker 3: which I was watching on Thursday night, but I think
Speaker 3: ok I was sixteen nil adding and I put a
Speaker 3: head pretty comfortable in Catalands. Very ordinary this season, particularly late.
Speaker 3: I'll will share out Charlie stains He's scored a fantastic
Speaker 3: ninety minute trial.
Speaker 2: We went right through the whole whole Guard team.
Speaker 3: But apart from that, yeah, it was pretty much it's
Speaker 3: pretty much one way traffic. Tron made very very good,
Speaker 3: just looking very very good for whole KR and yeah,
Speaker 3: you'd say wholek are. I don't know how many WINNSDA
Speaker 3: this isn't around maybe five or six, but they're definitely
Speaker 3: hitting a bit of form the right part of the
Speaker 3: season and this Tuesday night game with Warrington in terms
Speaker 3: of the balance of who's going to finish where in
Speaker 3: the playoffs will be quite important.
Speaker 1: Thanks for mentioning Warrington. They beat York thirty points to ten.
Speaker 1: Few listone. Irwin Walker Lindop scored the tries for Warrington.
Speaker 1: Irwin kick five goals for York McShane and Benison with
Speaker 1: the tries and a goal to Benison as well. I
Speaker 1: guess the because there is that game on Tuesday, let's
Speaker 1: turn this into the preview part. Who best placed out
Speaker 1: of hul Kingston, Rovers and Warrington to do a quick
Speaker 1: turnaround and play again on Tuesday? Whose favorites there? Do
Speaker 1: you think that's hard?
Speaker 2: I think. I mean it's that whole car, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that probably gives him a
Speaker 3: slight advantage obviously. George Williams just come back, which is
Speaker 3: a big boost for Warrington and you and ow and
Speaker 3: scored a fantastic trying that game, and I think Warrington,
Speaker 3: you know, playing pretty well at the moment. I think
Speaker 3: I think it's a very even match up those two.
Speaker 3: Because of Zach Craven Bark, I'd probably lean slightly towards
Speaker 3: k R. But yeah, I think George Williams coming back
Speaker 3: is big, you know, obviously if you can play some
Speaker 3: play well, you know, it's also big for England at
Speaker 3: the World Cup. So yeah, a very evenly matched game.
Speaker 1: That one one of the intriguing things about the news
Speaker 1: items that are coming out of Super League at the
Speaker 1: moment is some of the games themselves are actually throwing
Speaker 1: up some shot results. One of them was Leeds losing
Speaker 1: it home to Lee lead sixteen Lee twenty, Haul and
Speaker 1: Croft got the tries for Leeds. Kin of kick four
Speaker 1: goals for Lee, Charnley, Handley and Senior scored two. So
Speaker 1: Charley and Handley got one and Senior two and Cook
Speaker 1: kicked two goals. Everything I've heard about this game, I
Speaker 1: didn't see it, but the praise was for Lee's defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lee's defense was epic. Really really enjoyed this game.
Speaker 3: I think was the best of the round. Leeds had
Speaker 3: so much ball on Lee's line and Lee we were
Speaker 3: just roic in their tackling and their effort. Probably unlucky
Speaker 3: leads in the sense that I can't remember the player
Speaker 3: who did it, but it was a terrible hip drop
Speaker 3: on Harry Newman, which he should have been red CARDI
Speaker 3: was simping for that.
Speaker 2: He should have been red.
Speaker 1: CARDO are think giving hip drops in Super League lot.
Speaker 3: They're not giving cards, and they're giving the giving yellows.
Speaker 3: But I would imagine he'll get at least three or
Speaker 3: four weeks back. And it was kind of like a
Speaker 3: scissor hip drop which obviously I don't think Newman was injured,
Speaker 3: but it's very very dangerous. But yeah, Lee were great
Speaker 3: in this game. Leeds were just maybe it was a
Speaker 3: very very tiny margins and Ryan Hall went over right
Speaker 3: in the corner but his foot was just out. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Lee were magnificent. You might Handley you think he's I
Speaker 3: don't think he was in the England performance squad a
Speaker 3: while ago, but you think he's got to be a
Speaker 3: good chance for a center spot because he's been in
Speaker 3: fantastic form. But yeah, well done to Lee and it
Speaker 3: really it throws the title race. I think we can
Speaker 3: and Leeds are on the same amount of points now,
Speaker 3: am I right on the table points difference? Yeah, so
Speaker 3: we'll have a good look at the table with massive,
Speaker 3: massive favor that Lee have given their naps within. I
Speaker 3: was fairly happy about that a player I used to coach,
Speaker 3: Matt Lodge, signed for Leeds. I think this is a
Speaker 3: really good signing for Leed Logie. Logie hasn't got a
Speaker 3: contract for next year, so he's going to be hungry
Speaker 3: in that regard. I just think there's certain players who
Speaker 3: really suit the kind of football that he's played in
Speaker 3: England and I think Logie would fit into that category.
Speaker 2: I didn't know you coached him where did you coach him.
Speaker 3: Out Henry's Panthers. Yeah, look, I think I don't know
Speaker 3: Matt Lodge. I think you know, what happened in the
Speaker 3: past in New York was pretty horrendous. I think before that,
Speaker 3: didn't he in a under twenties or under eighteen's Miss
Speaker 3: World's Origin Game?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Cunt on his as well next Tuesday or jokes a sorry.
Speaker 3: Look, I think the incident in New York, I think
Speaker 3: he spoke about and James Graham's podcast a while, and
Speaker 3: I think you know, he spoke very well about that
Speaker 3: and opened up about it. And look, everyone deserves second chances.
Speaker 3: And I think he's kept his nose clean for quite
Speaker 3: a long time. But you know, that's still it's still
Speaker 3: there what happened. But you're right, he could be a
Speaker 3: good signing.
Speaker 2: Look, he's you know, he's a mobile prop boost right
Speaker 2: at the end of the season, and as you said,
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a contract for next year. I think
Speaker 2: he's been looking at super Light for a while because
Speaker 2: he's been unlikely to get another anner or contract, so
Speaker 2: he definitely will be motivated to.
Speaker 1: To do his best for the runners Hull, left C
Speaker 1: and Cass. Now as much as these interesting things going
Speaker 1: on at the top of the ladder, the bottom as
Speaker 1: all of a sudden become a lot more interesting because
Speaker 1: fresh after winning a game are back in the losing
Speaker 1: side of things. This week all fourteen Castle for eighteen
Speaker 1: Hull as well Bachelor, Baron and Martin scored the tries
Speaker 1: for a whole. Caesar kicked a goal for Castleford, a
Speaker 1: Tony Ravalawa and Hood were on the score sheet. Weaver
Speaker 1: kicked three goals. So I suppose the big news to
Speaker 1: come out of Hole is daily Cherry Evans. But he
Speaker 1: may be going to a club It could be finishing
Speaker 1: bottom Super League.
Speaker 2: Didn't you, coach Dallian? Yeah yeah, and imagine it would
Speaker 2: have been a bit of prodigy in those days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, great fellow, very misunderstood in some in some places,
Speaker 1: particularly after he did the I suppose the back.
Speaker 2: Flip on the gold coach Olympic. That was a gold
Speaker 2: medal backflip. Olympic gold medal winning back flip.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, just a really good bloke and you can
Speaker 1: always you always can tell the quality of a person
Speaker 1: by the friends to keep. And we've got some mutual
Speaker 1: friends who are great people and they can't speak highly
Speaker 1: enough of him as well. So it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I am worried a little bit about this signing because
Speaker 1: he turns thirty eight in February. There's a reason the
Speaker 1: Roosters have only had him for a year and they
Speaker 1: will have seen things that none of us will have seen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so good luck see, but I hope it works for them.
Speaker 1: Tough trip to France next week for whole as well.
Speaker 1: They play Catalans next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just touch on Cast like, great win for them.
Speaker 3: You know, they've had a horrific month.
Speaker 1: What's happening with the Cattleford coach, Well, we still don't
Speaker 1: really know.
Speaker 3: There's been another odd statement that the club's put out. Look,
Speaker 3: I think most people are the suspicion is that car
Speaker 3: will Brian car will go.
Speaker 2: That's kind of become untenable. But the whole way the
Speaker 2: Casts have dealt with it.
Speaker 3: I think has been poor. It's been a really bizarre situation.
Speaker 3: But credit to Cass their players. You know, hell, I
Speaker 3: think we're pretty poor. Quite soft defense from Helisea, which
Speaker 3: has been all season, but Cass gives their fans something
Speaker 3: to cheer about, so good, well done to the cast players.
Speaker 3: I thought plt. I think he set up two tries
Speaker 3: with some nice word about him. But yeah, going to
Speaker 3: d C. I was on BBC humber Side a couple
Speaker 3: of games about this. I disagree with you. I think.
Speaker 3: So he's thirty seven. He turns thirty eight in February.
Speaker 3: He's playing weekend weekend. I think he's played every game
Speaker 3: for the Roosters this year the top of the NRL.
Speaker 3: Scored two tries against Penrith on Thursday. As you know,
Speaker 3: he's barely missed a game in his whole career. Like
Speaker 3: in terms of you know, you've got these players who
Speaker 3: have you know, the terror peck and they're out for
Speaker 3: four months or they do an ACL and then they
Speaker 3: do He's had remarkable longevity in his well we say,
Speaker 3: fifteen to sixteen year career in the NRL. Obviously he's
Speaker 3: an ultimate profect. I mean there's a bit of that there.
Speaker 3: But he must look after his body, right, he must
Speaker 3: do all.
Speaker 1: That which we don't know what's going on week to
Speaker 1: week though, right he might not be training. I remember
Speaker 1: when I was at Manly the first year I was THET.
Speaker 1: Matt Alford didn't train him the first team.
Speaker 2: Because those quad problems.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. And some people can play like that,
Speaker 1: you know. Some some people need training and constant training.
Speaker 1: Others you can, you can. You can just put them
Speaker 1: on the punch bag or something to keep the cardio
Speaker 1: upen and everything else. And so we don't know when
Speaker 1: I and so I I. You know one thing, one
Speaker 1: thing that players always talk about, and I've seen this
Speaker 1: a thousand times in be coaching, it's the thought of
Speaker 1: doing another preseason, and you don't know until you get
Speaker 1: to that point. And that's why players often leave it
Speaker 1: late in the year sometimes to announce and they're retiring.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot. Yes, WHOLEFC fans should be excited,
Speaker 1: but don't don't be surprised if it doesn't turn out
Speaker 1: to be what you want or what you're thinking. Because
Speaker 1: the other thing with the roosters is what they've got
Speaker 1: around DC, right, and the structure of glob and everything else.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I made this point like the whole needs
Speaker 3: to sign some big forwards and some mobile forwards because
Speaker 3: every half the pack needs to play behind a good
Speaker 3: pack to make them look so look good. I think, look,
Speaker 3: you can only really judge a signing after the season,
Speaker 3: you know, But the fact that his longevity, he's been
Speaker 3: remarkably injury free. He's an exceptional leaner and half a
Speaker 3: leader and half packs generally, as you know, you know,
Speaker 3: shine towards the ladder in their career. Because of all
Speaker 3: the experience and the knowledge. Holse have had a terrible year.
Speaker 3: Their fans need some sort of respite and he is
Speaker 3: a big name. Look, super League needs big names of
Speaker 3: these publicity. He's played, you know, Queensland captain, played for Australia.
Speaker 3: I think there's a short term fix. It could be
Speaker 3: a very good one. I don't know what wage is on,
Speaker 3: but I heard the two hundred grand to go to
Speaker 3: whole f C. All the clubs he could have gone to,
Speaker 3: I would imagine it's quite what Fee is getting.
Speaker 2: I think Andrew John's didn't he call it? He called
Speaker 2: whole hell and I did listen.
Speaker 3: Danny Weiler, he didn't say holes of ship hole, but
Speaker 3: he alluded to that fact.
Speaker 2: A few people in Australia raning on hole.
Speaker 3: But look, I think it could be it could be
Speaker 3: a good signing for and I think with the Roosters,
Speaker 3: I think obviously Sam Walker's value was skyrocket this year.
Speaker 3: They've got Hugo Sabala, They've got other money that they
Speaker 3: other players that they need to upgrade. So I think
Speaker 3: that's probably more the decision of why they've decided not
Speaker 3: to reach on him.
Speaker 1: Well, Castleford on one side without a coach Saint Helen's
Speaker 1: or the other and the coach less sides meet each
Speaker 1: other next week. But who needs a coach because Saint
Speaker 1: Helen's absolutely flogged Wakefield forty six sixteen In Wakefield, Wakefield
Speaker 1: scored tries through Smoothie Anger and Simfield, and Simfield kicked
Speaker 1: two goals, but Saint Helen's wrapped up the point three
Speaker 1: from Sailor. He got hat trick, Murphy got two, Keeley
Speaker 1: scored a try, Davies scored two, and Hastings kick seven goals.
Speaker 1: This was another result where like had to look twice.
Speaker 2: It was a bizarre game.
Speaker 3: You say that Saint helen smashed Wakefield, but it all
Speaker 3: happened in the form of sixteen minutes. I think Wakefield
Speaker 3: considered close to thirty points in sixteen minutes.
Speaker 2: It's quite a bizarre game. Wakefield. We were ten years lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, scored two tries early St Alan's came rowing back,
Speaker 3: was ten twelve and then it was sixteen eight I
Speaker 3: think in the sixty third minute and Wakefield just absolutely
Speaker 3: fell apart.
Speaker 2: So completely bizarre game.
Speaker 3: Massive credit to Saint Helen's because you think a ten
Speaker 3: neeled down after the well what's happened there recently? You
Speaker 3: think they just collapsed, but they didn't. And for Wakefield
Speaker 3: you're just like, what's what's going on there? They were
Speaker 3: pit by Leeds last week but played quite well and
Speaker 3: then they just completely I mean, I think I think
Speaker 3: Daryl Pile said it was appalling and it's hard to
Speaker 3: disagree when you can see that many points in the
Speaker 3: end of the.
Speaker 1: Games aren't getting easier for them. To guess where they
Speaker 1: travel to next week they go to Wigan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got a tough and I think they've got
Speaker 2: Lee in the last few rounds as well.
Speaker 3: They've got a really tough run home. So yeah, pressure
Speaker 3: now on Wakefield. You know they've had a great season
Speaker 3: up until now, but they need to you know, I
Speaker 3: think you know unlikely to well what are they now?
Speaker 2: They're fourth?
Speaker 3: You know they might grab third, but they ain't going
Speaker 3: to grab second with the points difference of the Yeah
Speaker 3: four points difference now, so yeah, massive massive win for
Speaker 3: for Saint Helen's.
Speaker 2: Tristan Saylor was I think you got a hat trick.
Speaker 2: He was. He was fantastic in that game.
Speaker 1: Any noises about the next Saint Helen's coach, well, it was.
Speaker 3: A report I think in the cinema about Shane Flanigan
Speaker 3: being standing out and I think that's been quickly.
Speaker 2: Not back.
Speaker 3: I don't think, well, I don't know if Fanighan wants
Speaker 3: to be a head coach again, like I think he's
Speaker 3: been through the ringer obviously St Georgia Aluaro.
Speaker 2: He does a fair and in media doesn't.
Speaker 3: I can see him being an assistant coach somewhere in
Speaker 3: the NRL, but it's a big move over the other
Speaker 3: side of the world.
Speaker 2: But yeah, nothing, you know.
Speaker 3: I think I think there are some some chat maybe
Speaker 3: about Matt Bollen or one of the Brisbane assistant coaches,
Speaker 3: but I don't think. I don't think Trent Barrett as
Speaker 3: a former Wigan player would go down well. And I
Speaker 3: also Trent Barn's record it mainly and the Bulldogs, would
Speaker 3: you know. I think if you're sending as you'd probably
Speaker 3: stick clear personally. But you know nothing nothing I've heard
Speaker 3: anyway in the last couple of days.
Speaker 1: Well, surely the job everybody wants in Super League is
Speaker 1: now the Huddersfield job again, as they are now unleashed.
Speaker 1: Four wins on the roll in a row. Sorry, they
Speaker 1: went to to lose and they did not go there
Speaker 1: to lose. To lose scored ten through hands and us
Speaker 1: Armey and a goal from Shoreks. But Huddersfield got twenty six,
Speaker 1: Household got to Greenwood scored one, Wrench scored one and
Speaker 1: Flannagan kicked five goals. I thought he was in for
Speaker 1: the same job too, Flanagan. But that's a mini revival,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Four wins in a row and we'll get
Speaker 1: to the table and have a look at the impact soon.
Speaker 1: But what a great story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, off the bottom of the table harris Field for
Speaker 3: the first time probably since February I.
Speaker 1: Probably since twenty fifteen or something, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, massive, Yeah, I think it is a revival.
Speaker 3: They you know, they really deserve this when dominated from
Speaker 3: the start. I think I had two simpler players SimBin Huddersfield,
Speaker 3: so they had a bit of adversity but didn't throw
Speaker 3: into tower. So yeah, great, great performance from them away
Speaker 3: from home in France.
Speaker 1: Inton away next week, Warrington away next week and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be, that'll be, that'll be a really good ta.
Speaker 1: Warrington are playing on Tuesday, so exactly.
Speaker 3: And look, I think I said this, I think last
Speaker 3: week if Hardersfield finished, don't finish bottom, if they finished
Speaker 3: thirtieth or twelve, that's considering how bad they've been in
Speaker 3: all the problems and you know the kind of spin
Speaker 3: and bullshit that's around the massive announcement of moving to
Speaker 3: Juicebury with no plan to return to Huddersfield. The players
Speaker 3: and the coach to serve a lot of credit for
Speaker 3: what we've done in the last month. And yeah, that's
Speaker 3: great to see them, you know turn around.
Speaker 2: More has been a very, very tough twelve months.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the Bradford Bulls, John.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: They only scored six against Wigan. Acker's got looked for
Speaker 1: and Hooley kicked a goal. Wigan got thirty four, two
Speaker 1: from Wardall, Kieran French and McDermott and kur scored to
Speaker 1: try each Smith kick five goals. I'm a bit worried
Speaker 1: about Bradford Bulls.
Speaker 3: Although we're going for twenty eight and a lot, so
Speaker 3: you know, the game was effectively over. We can think
Speaker 3: at something like twelve wins in a row or something,
Speaker 3: you know, something ridiculous, massive momentum of their building. They're
Speaker 3: looking really good at the business end of the season.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Bradford look massive injury problems there, so you
Speaker 3: know you've got to put an account.
Speaker 2: I think considering they knew.
Speaker 3: They were going to be tenth in the IMG gradings
Speaker 3: well well before. I think their recruitment for this year
Speaker 3: has been a bit ordinary. And look, I think Kurt
Speaker 3: Haggert's doing a good job and there's definitely fight there,
Speaker 3: but they're well outmatched. And I watched the game put
Speaker 3: out a tweet some brother thing fans that seem to
Speaker 3: think that I've got an agenda against the club.
Speaker 2: I don't, but Odds is just.
Speaker 3: Not suitable for Super League and crowd looked very poor
Speaker 3: in that game. Now, I know Bradford City were playing
Speaker 3: first home game of the season, so that's going to
Speaker 3: take away some fans, but you know, it is wigging
Speaker 3: at home.
Speaker 2: You know, you'd like to think you can get a.
Speaker 3: Better crowd for that, but yeah, Bradford bottom, that's it's
Speaker 3: not great for them. The difference, as we know with
Speaker 3: Bradford compared to York and to lose is that Bradford
Speaker 3: have full funding and you're going to lose don't.
Speaker 2: So we don't know how the end season.
Speaker 3: I think most people expected to lose York and Bradford
Speaker 3: to be a bottom three, but at this point the
Speaker 3: bottom three is Hull, Outhersfield and Bradford. So yeah, and
Speaker 3: wait to see the next We've got a month of
Speaker 3: regular season, then we've got four games left in the
Speaker 3: regular season to see how that pans out.
Speaker 1: They're all on twelve points. Those three sides Bradford the
Speaker 1: bottom with twelve points, but the worst points difference huddersfielding
Speaker 1: thirteenth or left Sea in twelfth. Looking at the points difference,
Speaker 1: who left Sea do have a decent cushion, so if
Speaker 1: they end up on similar points to each other, then
Speaker 1: whole of c might avoid the wooden spoon. York Knight's
Speaker 1: sitting above them on eleventh on fourteen to lose are
Speaker 1: also on fourteenth on fourteen points as well, and they've
Speaker 1: slipped a tenth now because Castle the Tiger's got the win.
Speaker 1: They're on sixteen points, good win for them. Cattle and
Speaker 1: Dragons are in eighth and they're on eighteen points. Saint
Speaker 1: Helen's if they have lost this week, I think we
Speaker 1: could have said goodbye to their final chances. But I
Speaker 1: bet they're cocker hoop this week. Much needed win for them.
Speaker 1: They're in seventh twenty six, but the still four points
Speaker 1: behind Lee, who were in sixth in the in the
Speaker 1: last playoff spot with thirty uk Are are in fifth
Speaker 1: on thirty but they have a far superior points difference
Speaker 1: and they've played one less game which they'll catch up
Speaker 1: this week. Wakefield have slipped to fourth now, they're on
Speaker 1: thirty two and their points difference is only a little
Speaker 1: bit worse than Warrington's. But Warrington have a chance to
Speaker 1: put a cushion between them and Wakefield if they beat
Speaker 1: ky Are on Tuesday in that extra game, because they're
Speaker 1: on thirty two points as well. Top of the ladder.
Speaker 1: Really interesting, but Leads have got the points different cushion.
Speaker 1: But we're Gonner in second on thirty six points and
Speaker 1: Leads are at the top on thirty six points. But
Speaker 1: they do play each other in the next couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: don't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thinking about a fort I. I mean, that's going
Speaker 3: to be a huge game. Apparently may decided the league
Speaker 3: leaders shield. Yeah, I can't see. I can't see. Even
Speaker 3: with that win yesterday, I can't see sirt Helen's sneaking
Speaker 3: at the top six, particularly the format whole can Lea
Speaker 3: and Wakefield six points above them.
Speaker 2: I think Wakefield would at least get you one or
Speaker 2: maybe two more wins in the next months.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it should be some interesting movements for the
Speaker 3: next few weeks.
Speaker 1: There's been some noise this week, hasn't they The RFL
Speaker 1: have been talking about the Championship, and obviously people from
Speaker 1: Featherstone their ears will have pricked up to see what's
Speaker 1: going on next year. So two questions, what's the latest
Speaker 1: on the Championship for next year and how was Featherstone looking.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did a couple of stories championship stories this week
Speaker 3: that are that are free reads that people can can
Speaker 3: go out and check out on Patreon.
Speaker 2: Spoke to Roderie Jones.
Speaker 3: Now you know he was talking about a revamp for
Speaker 3: reset of the Championship six kind of point thing. Obviously
Speaker 3: the salary cap being one of the first ones, but
Speaker 3: they're looking at the structure, the calendar, all these things.
Speaker 3: You know, you could say there's a lot of words
Speaker 3: and a lot of quotes, but yeah, I think the
Speaker 3: championship this year, I think Scott Taylor, the head coach
Speaker 3: of GOOL said had.
Speaker 2: Been a nightmare.
Speaker 3: I think Jason Dimitri, the head coach of Lung called
Speaker 3: the shambles. It's been very tough merging Championship League wonner
Speaker 3: and you know, I think some clubs have had, you know,
Speaker 3: seven games without seven weeks without a home game.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we really need to kind of work out
Speaker 2: what is the role of the Championship, What is it?
Speaker 3: What is its purpose? Is it you know, feeder teams
Speaker 3: to Super League? Is it clubs trying to get into
Speaker 3: Super League? There's because I think there's a lot of
Speaker 3: work to get you know, there's no TV deal, the
Speaker 3: media coverage is tiny. I don't see how having an
Speaker 3: unlimited quota of foreign players there is a good thing
Speaker 3: for the British game personally. And on Featherston, yeah, there's
Speaker 3: no decision yet on Featherston. The administrator did publish his
Speaker 3: report into what's happening at the company that went bust.
Speaker 3: So they're targeting a seal of the stadium there, the
Speaker 3: Millennium Stadium and the land around it this month. They
Speaker 3: I think it's about two point nine million to unsecured creditors.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's quite convoluted the Featherston situation
Speaker 3: because I think there's a declaration of trust there with
Speaker 3: a company that I believe is owned to a part
Speaker 3: owned by Mark Campbell, who was the former Featherstone owner
Speaker 3: and champion and chairman. Look, I think on Featherston's it's
Speaker 3: going to be very difficult.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they'll have a team next year
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 3: Obviously it'd be great for them to have a team
Speaker 3: becaus that he's a rugby league mad area. But you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think having a team run by the people
Speaker 3: who used to run Featherston is a good idea. Like
Speaker 3: I think, you know, after what's happened there, there needs
Speaker 3: to be you know, there's certain people he shouldn't really
Speaker 3: be allowing to run clubs when they've run our clubs
Speaker 3: into ground into the ground. You know, it's like a
Speaker 3: fit and proper person's tests, you know, which is supposed
Speaker 3: to exist that doesn't ever actually get enforced.
Speaker 2: At rugby league.
Speaker 1: We'll be talking about fit and proper again in a moment.
Speaker 1: But before I get to that, is everybody rushing out
Speaker 1: to buy their England World Cup shirts.
Speaker 2: Well, I've got a piece. I've got an opinion piece.
Speaker 3: On that in the eye. Well should be coming out
Speaker 3: Monday's paper. I know we talked a little bit about
Speaker 3: us last week, but we still don't know who's going
Speaker 3: to show the games in England. There's no TV broadcast
Speaker 3: to be there's less than two months now to the
Speaker 3: tournament starts now. Obviously it's in in Australia and they've
Speaker 3: got Channel seven and they are, you know, doing publicity MPR,
Speaker 3: aren't they In Australia that's where you're going to sell tickets.
Speaker 2: But in the UK, which I think is the second
Speaker 2: second biggest.
Speaker 3: Market for rugby league in the world, there's been bugger
Speaker 3: all the RFL aren't pushing it. Brian mcdermot's not out,
Speaker 3: they're doing interviews, no one's talking about it, and I
Speaker 3: think that's quite worrying. And it's the same thing that
Speaker 3: we get pretty much every world Cup cycle. International Rugby
Speaker 3: League just doesn't get publicity, doesn't get attention.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't too bad last year because obviously they
Speaker 1: are the RFL needed to make money on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah the Ashes, the Ashes I think was different, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because there was you know, but in the background there
Speaker 3: is this dispute between the RFL and the International Rugby
Speaker 3: League over I think it's four hundred thousand pounds that
Speaker 3: the IRL says the RFL owe them from the last
Speaker 3: World Cup from hosting fees. So you know, there's that's
Speaker 3: kind of under the surface, and the RFL and the
Speaker 3: NRL are focused on this potential deal and the NRLs
Speaker 3: you know, christ Church and Perth and PNG, but we've
Speaker 3: got a World Cup on, you know, like can we
Speaker 3: can we get some promotion of it? Can we get
Speaker 3: some marketing of it?
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know how many media outlets or journalists from
Speaker 3: this part of the world will be going to Australia
Speaker 3: for I think I can probably count them on the
Speaker 3: one hand, but there has been some talk that Premier
Speaker 3: Sport might be the broadcaster. I don't think that's going
Speaker 3: to be great. But the other cork is that the
Speaker 3: BBC isn't that interested in showing the games outside of
Speaker 3: maybe the England games. So that would be a blow
Speaker 3: because in the last World Cup, the BBC showed every
Speaker 3: game live. I think it was like sixty one games,
Speaker 3: you know, women's, men's wheelchair.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think we could do a whole podcast on International
Speaker 3: Rugby League. Probably do that just before the World Cup starts.
Speaker 3: But we can't expect their game to grow in that
Speaker 3: sense unless we actually dedicate time and money and effort
Speaker 3: to push it out.
Speaker 1: We're all kind of focused on club regularly. I go
Speaker 1: back to the bandwidth thing. I'll go back to the
Speaker 1: bandwidth thing that Jason mentioned earlier that you know this.
Speaker 1: This is obviously lacking, lacking attention at the moment in
Speaker 1: the right places Johnny's tweet of the week and also
Speaker 1: doubl Inger, Johnny's job you wrote. Good to see the
Speaker 1: Sydney Morning Herald doing a proper piece on Andrew Charmers.
Speaker 1: The NRL needs to run a mile from him. For
Speaker 1: those who don't know, please furnish them with some information.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it was last weekend.
Speaker 3: I think just before we we recorded last Weekend's pot
Speaker 3: that there was these pop pieces. I think one was
Speaker 3: in the Australian and one was in the New Zone.
Speaker 3: Heard about Andrew Charmers and the Southern aucas which is
Speaker 3: the christ was a christ Church bid for the twentieth
Speaker 3: ral club in the South Old New Zealand. Now Andrew Charmers.
Speaker 3: If you're from this part of the world, you should
Speaker 3: know Andrew Andrew Chalmers. What is because he was a
Speaker 3: director at Salford under the Martin kukash Era. That was
Speaker 3: a terrible error for Salford. There's no disguising that he
Speaker 3: bought the Bradford Bulls, oh sorry, bought the Bradfoot Bulls.
Speaker 3: He acquired the Breadfoot Balls after they went bust I
Speaker 3: think it was in twenty eighteen and then took them,
Speaker 3: relegated them into League One and that was a disaster.
Speaker 3: And then there's serious questions about how he was picked
Speaker 3: as the owner of Bradford close relationship with niger Wood.
Speaker 3: So that was a disaster. You can ask pretty much
Speaker 3: any Bradford fan or you know, anyone involved in the
Speaker 3: game over here and he just basically got free ride,
Speaker 3: you know from the NRL media. Now, even before this,
Speaker 3: before all the Salford and Bradford stuff, he ran the
Speaker 3: New Zealand Rugby League and I think it was around
Speaker 3: two thousand and six thousand and seven as chairman, ran
Speaker 3: them into I think it was a six or seven
Speaker 3: figure debt. He only was in charge for eighteen months,
Speaker 3: so that was a failure. And he also ran forestry
Speaker 3: businesses in New Zealand which went into debt. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm talking twenty to forty million pounds in debt. All
Speaker 3: these things are available online, you know, you can google
Speaker 3: numerous stories about it.
Speaker 2: But then you've got these reports.
Speaker 3: About him about oh, you know, this is great, We're
Speaker 3: going to do this, and it's just why the NRL
Speaker 3: should not be entertaining any bid involving him, like it's
Speaker 3: just nonsense.
Speaker 1: S on the NRL. Queensland are looking for a new coach.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's going to be Cameron Smith, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Well Wayne Bennet's come out swinging for him today. No
Speaker 1: wayn Bennett' suggesting why Bennett was going to well the
Speaker 1: only the only tell me why Wayne Bennett couldn't do it?
Speaker 1: That resultely got with them the COVID time.
Speaker 2: Can we have a left field? Can we get Fatty back?
Speaker 1: You don't you don't have saying you don't have a
Speaker 1: saying it mate. Your own New South Welshman in recent
Speaker 1: weeks have been jesting with you about Manly's fortunes and
Speaker 1: suggesting that Fuzzballs at the end of its time. I
Speaker 1: think it's officially dead now, isn't it. I mean they're
Speaker 1: probably not finals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thrown into freshwater beach.
Speaker 1: Now. The big thing I want to talk about is
Speaker 1: the leaks coming from the Broncos. Now, whether it's an
Speaker 1: ex employee, has has been suggested by someone with.
Speaker 2: Someone with the initials BT or TV or something like that, wasn't.
Speaker 1: Look. I would assume this whoever's doing it needs to
Speaker 1: understand the damage this he's doing to this organization, whether
Speaker 1: they're in the organization outside the organization, because it's been
Speaker 1: an absolute hatchet job on Madge McGuire and some of
Speaker 1: these people that are obviously leaking things or or it's
Speaker 1: been suggested to leaking things. Mage McGuire has done a
Speaker 1: lot more in the game than they have in terms
Speaker 1: of coaching, and some of the things are absolutely pathetic.
Speaker 1: I mean one of them was apparently the players wondered
Speaker 1: why they did such or such a thing. Second was
Speaker 1: a bed wasn't big enough for two of the bigger players. Honestly,
Speaker 1: the word entitled doesn't even cover this. And the Brisbane
Speaker 1: fans aren't really enjoying listening to this stuff and it's
Speaker 1: and it's they've been leaked. Isn't good because Brisbane's quite
Speaker 1: a down to earthplace, Queensland as a rule of quite
Speaker 1: down to earth and there's a humility about them most
Speaker 1: of the time. It's awful, It's absolutely awful what's going on.
Speaker 1: And I think it also goes against the fabric of
Speaker 1: what rugby league is and what it should be. Basically
Speaker 1: it's and I think it came out in the performance
Speaker 1: at the weekend. They got absolutely hammered by the New
Speaker 1: Zealand Warriors in Brisbane as well. Have you got some
Speaker 1: questions for us.
Speaker 3: John, Yeah, I would just say that the leaks to
Speaker 3: the Broncos, I mean all that last year as well,
Speaker 3: didn't it. I can remember the Harvard Cruz in Sydney
Speaker 3: and then obviously the Yeah, the Broncos players I think
Speaker 3: after winning the Very Ferral had some shots at buzz
Speaker 3: Rockfield and so it's always been a league club. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we do have a lot of questions. We're trying to
Speaker 3: run through it as quick as possible, obviously. I think
Speaker 3: there's quite a few that we've already talked about issues.
Speaker 3: One from left Gilman on Twitter. Do you think the
Speaker 3: Championship needs to be relaunched and given a better profile
Speaker 3: by the RFL But the Championship and amagur game need
Speaker 3: help financially along with better promotion. We have talked about this, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree. He also had another one. Do you think
Speaker 3: clubs and development areas be given special dispensation by the
Speaker 3: rfls such as Wales? Aspects such as more central funding
Speaker 3: player probably on loan players. I think they should, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think, you know, if the NRL get involved. I
Speaker 3: think they're consulted about the Dublin game. I think places
Speaker 3: like Wales and France and Ireland definitely, you know, whether
Speaker 3: it be a development officer or some sort of good funding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, London is another one.
Speaker 3: Obviously development officers were cut back a long time ago,
Speaker 3: so that's kind of an obvious one.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 3: Again it comes back to who pays for it, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: One from Gareth Dickinson. Do you think that Super League
Speaker 3: is in a state where they can turn down the
Speaker 3: offer from the NRL is Super League valued at sixty
Speaker 3: million pounds over the five years. I don't think personally
Speaker 3: the clubs will accept us. They were thinking a lot more.
Speaker 3: We've covered that, yeah, pretty much covered. I don't think
Speaker 3: they're in a state to turn it down. But the
Speaker 3: value isn't sixty million. It would be well, sorry it
Speaker 3: is be sixty million or close to seventy. But yeah,
Speaker 3: well have talked about that question from Gavin Kin personally
Speaker 3: filled their roster. Who are the PNG chiefs looking at
Speaker 3: in the Super League?
Speaker 2: I heard a while ago about Jack Wellsby, but I
Speaker 2: put that to Michael Chamis and he denied that was
Speaker 2: the case.
Speaker 3: He's I think off contract in twenty eight I've not
Speaker 3: hurt anyone else.
Speaker 2: I'm in part from obviously the P and G players
Speaker 2: that have signed from London and.
Speaker 1: For an extra year or two.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I don't look I think, you know,
Speaker 3: I think Brian Tyer, who's a great signing. I think
Speaker 3: they're looking big, aren't they. There's a lot of speculation
Speaker 3: about Nathan Cleary and PNG.
Speaker 1: May end up there.
Speaker 2: I think PNG what.
Speaker 3: They will do, they'll do what they are doing. They're
Speaker 3: signing some big names, and they will get a lot
Speaker 3: of young up and coming PG talent to go around that,
Speaker 3: you know alongside it, won't they because obviously you can
Speaker 3: front load your cap with you know, some million dollar
Speaker 3: players or more, and then you know you've got some
Speaker 3: local players who might be on you know, two hundred grand,
Speaker 3: which if you're in PNG, I imagine.
Speaker 1: Goes very very far, especially if you're in a compound.
Speaker 1: M sorry a resource.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Question from Rigas where does the fines money got the RFL.
Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure where it goes. Imagine it goes
Speaker 3: into the general coffers. Yeah, Chris was part of fine.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Question from Binds I eighty three. Does
Speaker 3: the six again go against player welfare? Does it create
Speaker 3: more fatigue bodies involved in morelug collisions? Sorry, then in
Speaker 3: turn creates injury and head knocks. I'll let you into
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's just a six again. I think
Speaker 1: it's a combination of things. So the fact that the
Speaker 1: six again was brought in a matter of weeks before
Speaker 1: or sorry, it was adapted a matter of weeks before
Speaker 1: both competitions on both sides of the world, So you
Speaker 1: were preparing for a different game. Essentially, I think the
Speaker 1: amount of games that the players are playing is obviously
Speaker 1: an area of concern, but I do also think the
Speaker 1: training levels. I think in the NRL the train too hard,
Speaker 1: and indeed their stuff going through the courts about the
Speaker 1: player that passed away a few years ago is still
Speaker 1: going through legal processes and there's been other cases too,
Speaker 1: or in Super League as I don't think they train
Speaker 1: enough for the game that they're playing in. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the balance is really fine, and I think
Speaker 1: that's why there's so many players breaking down in the
Speaker 1: in the English Super League as well, so I think
Speaker 1: six again obviously has something to do with it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: six Again's okay as long as everybody has time to
Speaker 1: prepare for it.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good answer.
Speaker 3: Moving on the questions on Facebook one from Billy Ingram,
Speaker 3: how would you like rugby league in the UK to
Speaker 3: be structured in terms of leagues, conferences, et cetera, et
Speaker 3: cetera and where would you like to see their B teams?
Speaker 1: I mean that's a pretty tough one answer, so I
Speaker 1: think we can summarize it though. Do we want everything
Speaker 1: below the super League to be a feeder to super League.
Speaker 1: You said this earlier or is it? Is it an
Speaker 1: opportunity for Featherstone to come back and get to Super League?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Personally I think yeah, there needs to be over all
Speaker 3: of all this. I mean, ideally we want teams in
Speaker 3: Manchester and Birmingham, but you know, Dublin whatever.
Speaker 2: But we've got to be realistic where we are, what
Speaker 2: money we have. I think you know, if.
Speaker 3: You want it, if you're a Championship club or you
Speaker 3: want to be in Super League and you need to
Speaker 3: apply and have an application process like there is in
Speaker 3: the NRL. I think a lot of people would be
Speaker 3: against that. They think relegation promotion is you know, English
Speaker 3: cultural history heritage. Sorry, and they may well be right,
Speaker 3: but I think the whole kind of that structure needs
Speaker 3: to change. Personally, that's the fight. And yeah, it probably
Speaker 3: need a lot more time to look into it and
Speaker 3: come up with more answers, Billy, But that's the top
Speaker 3: one answer question for me and Jodson. How about fifteen
Speaker 3: teams in Super League next year? No, No, I think
Speaker 3: we've talked about that for a while. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: think the talent's there. The playfool you know, I think
Speaker 3: we're seeing that with a lot of the games that
Speaker 3: I've watched this weekend.
Speaker 2: You know, Legion League was great, but a lot of
Speaker 2: them have been one sided and yeah, not great in
Speaker 2: terms of quality.
Speaker 3: Chris Macy, if this in our investment does happen, how
Speaker 3: are the RFL's relationship with IMGB affected. Yeah, IMG is
Speaker 3: not really as I understand, not've been mentioned in any
Speaker 3: of these talks, but yeah, I would imagine if a
Speaker 3: deal with the NRL was struck, I don't know if
Speaker 3: the partnership with IJW would continue.
Speaker 2: I doubt it would be question from Gareth Mallam.
Speaker 3: IMG transparency needs looking at because at the moment looks
Speaker 3: arssical and none of the fans fully understand what is happening.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about the a AMG is how long
Speaker 1: have they been in situe now with Rugby League again?
Speaker 1: Is it four years?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it was twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are we seeing a commensarate amount of improvement
Speaker 1: in the game. Look on all it all, it's measurable.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think I think IMG IMG has done some good
Speaker 3: work behind the scenes on the digital profile, working with clubs.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think it's been as successful as we
Speaker 3: would have liked. I think there's been some progress made,
Speaker 3: but I think obviously if there's an NRL partnership and
Speaker 3: that completely changes the landscape, and yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think that would. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The IMG transpiracy though, that Gareth's talking about, I do
Speaker 3: get what he's saying, because we don't know who will
Speaker 3: be in Super League now.
Speaker 2: Huddersfield are out there saying that they'll be in Super
Speaker 2: League while you know a lot of people would probably
Speaker 2: want them on.
Speaker 1: Their own media posturing, aren't they the posturing in the media.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 3: Of media posturing and I think the IMG criteria could
Speaker 3: be a lot you know this led boards things where
Speaker 3: you bring them in for one week and is.
Speaker 1: He a face? Is he an a MG face attached
Speaker 1: to rugby league?
Speaker 2: I e.
Speaker 1: This is John Davidson from AMG. He's the man.
Speaker 2: So there was original for the first couple of years,
Speaker 2: but the head of IMG in terms of regularly moved
Speaker 2: back to Sydney and they haven't done an interview for
Speaker 2: I would say at least over a year. But yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no sort of Yeah, so yeah, I think
Speaker 3: we do need greater transpiracy on the criteria and how
Speaker 3: it's enacted. Question from Olie about the NRL deal. How
Speaker 3: long do you think the process of the nrdal will take?
Speaker 3: Is there another offer likely? Is the TV deal dead
Speaker 3: with Sky? We've obviously talked about this, but the TV
Speaker 3: deal with Sky is not dead. I think it's just
Speaker 3: that it's on limbo at the moment because it's all interconnected.
Speaker 3: David Gilbank, I'm intrigued to know how an NRL stuff
Speaker 3: Super League Morgan team will win over the Southern based
Speaker 3: national media. This has been a major issue prevailing the
Speaker 3: growth of our game turning into a Northern game into
Speaker 3: a national one for too long. Our lack of vision
Speaker 3: has been prevented our growth. Our pr has been worth
Speaker 3: for So come on, NRL, how are you going to create?
Speaker 1: I've got something for you here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Peter the Lands has been described to me from people
Speaker 1: who would know as being more powerful than your South
Speaker 1: Wales premier because of it, because of his.
Speaker 2: He's the head of New Wells Racing as well, isn't he.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so in terms of his influence, say, there's not
Speaker 1: many people in London who know who Peter of the
Speaker 1: land is that said, he has obviously got certain connections.
Speaker 1: We ended up in Las Vegas for example, a few
Speaker 1: things have happened. I think he was an audience with
Speaker 1: Joe Biden at some point, So he does have a
Speaker 1: bit more pull than your average rugby league person and
Speaker 1: I think that's what comes it comes down to in
Speaker 1: terms of the Southern media, if you like. Now, the
Speaker 1: other thing about the Southern media, so many of them
Speaker 1: are based up north. Now that's the other thing. It's
Speaker 1: not Fleet Street anymore. There's so many So much of
Speaker 1: the media in the UK is now coming out of
Speaker 1: media your city, isn't it at Salford Keys, So it's
Speaker 1: not quite the same the same Southern media if you like.
Speaker 3: No, but yeah, rugby league doesn't really register on the
Speaker 3: news desks, you know, and the Times, to Telegraph, the Mail,
Speaker 3: the Sun, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, you'd have to invest money in pr
Speaker 2: you'd have.
Speaker 1: To need to go to Greg's again to get the profile.
Speaker 2: Well you need to Yeah, you need to open your doors,
Speaker 2: don't you You.
Speaker 1: Need to Yes, yeah, you need to.
Speaker 3: Have You need to have leaders and people in any
Speaker 3: positions who will actually do interviews and say things question
Speaker 3: from Leonard Gregory, who is a whole KR can d
Speaker 3: see a bit of glitter on a tour that propels
Speaker 3: Helcy to a glorious seventh We have which are definitely
Speaker 3: not like questions some people from Western Sydney in future.
Speaker 2: Sent forward.
Speaker 3: How much of the proposing or funding goes through to
Speaker 3: super League clubs and it will become with conditions et cetera,
Speaker 3: set to be spelling facilities, marketing community.
Speaker 2: We have touched on that, so saying there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of exact detail yet.
Speaker 3: Question for Mike Harrison, if the NL demand less super
Speaker 3: League teams, who do you think? Who do you guys
Speaker 3: think will make the cut? I'll answer this, Mike, there's
Speaker 3: no demand about less super League teams at this point.
Speaker 2: We're so far from that.
Speaker 3: I think if the NRL at this point said well
Speaker 3: there's only going to be a ten or twelve ten
Speaker 3: super League, that's on what automatically teams that would not
Speaker 3: vote for the deal. So we now never even get
Speaker 3: over the line, so we're not given near that point.
Speaker 3: Neil Ormiston, what's your understanding of how super League saying
Speaker 3: Broacas still could put together and given the NRL are
Speaker 3: increasingly looking to scared it secure their share risk free design,
Speaker 3: effectively funding their fifty percent state. What are they looking
Speaker 3: to actually invest? Example and resources are the conditions attached
Speaker 3: to the share purchase, just as delivery of the increased
Speaker 3: point sponsorship broadcast ink on from that resource investment. Last
Speaker 3: one is the fifty percent state controlling I would have
Speaker 3: the chair of r.
Speaker 2: Or seeing casting vote. They're all great questions.
Speaker 3: I don't know honestly the answers to them. I think
Speaker 3: we talked about the first bit about how a potential
Speaker 3: skider is owned broadcast still could fit together what I
Speaker 3: was told from the many people I spoke to on
Speaker 3: Thursday that there isn't hasn't been a lot of detailed
Speaker 3: shared So I think those are things to be worked out,
Speaker 3: and I think I'm just double checking. I think that
Speaker 3: is all the questions, a lot of them this week.
Speaker 3: But I really appreciate everyone.
Speaker 2: Who's took the time to write it on social media
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Speaker 2: We did talk a little bit. I'm just gonna lightly
Speaker 2: go with Are in a close.
Speaker 1: One Friday, Wigan hosting Wakefield Wigan at the same time
Speaker 1: Lee hosting Bradford Bulls. Could have just stayed on the
Speaker 1: right side minds were a week.
Speaker 2: Lee by about twenty six points.
Speaker 1: Saturday at three o'clock, Saints are hosting Castleford in the
Speaker 1: Coachless Cup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's an interest.
Speaker 3: That's a bit of a I have won to pick
Speaker 3: both teams, having just one, I'd probably say Saints because
Speaker 3: I was surprised their manner of comeback and impressed by
Speaker 3: the man who come back against wake turn down.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I think someone else.
Speaker 1: And saying O k Are after back up again on
Speaker 1: Saturday they lay to lose at five thirty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would probably still go okay, I even though
Speaker 3: you know, backing up in the short turn round.
Speaker 1: Catalans are hosting Hall f C at nine o'clock UK
Speaker 1: time Saturday.
Speaker 2: That's a tough one. It's actually been very poor for
Speaker 2: a long time. The John cart Right Cup, I would
Speaker 2: being in purple and I'll go with the dragons on
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 1: And Halleluliah. There's two games on Sunday. Warrington hosts the
Speaker 1: Huddersfield Giants the Unleashed Giants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's also a tough one.
Speaker 3: Maddiceville four in a row, Warrington, you know, pushing for
Speaker 3: the finish his hot I think maybe just Warrington, just
Speaker 3: just and York hosting leads. Yeah, I think Saturday, I
Speaker 3: think Leeds will bounce back from that lost to Lee
Speaker 3: and get a big win.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: There you go, mate, another man episode of Super League
Speaker 1: three sixty. Well done mate. Almost this time next week
Speaker 1: we might have more to say on the than our
Speaker 1: real I think this is going to drag on for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I think we'll have a bit
Speaker 1: of content in around that. So I hope everybody enjoyed
Speaker 1: our opinions and we'll hear from You'll hear from us
Speaker 1: next week, no doubt.