Speaker 1: Welcome to the Transformation Station podcast. I'm Christina, owner, operator,
Speaker 1: and founder of the Transformation Station, and this is where
Speaker 1: we talk about getting stronger while navigating real life. If
Speaker 1: you're trying to stay consistent through the ups and the
Speaker 1: downs and everywhere else in between, this is for you.
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the podcast. For those of
Speaker 1: you who are just joining in, we have a beautiful
Speaker 1: guest on our show today for the first time. This
Speaker 1: is Martina. Hi. Everybody. All right, So before we dive in,
Speaker 1: please tell our listeners and myself a little bit about you. Well.
Speaker 2: I'm an Aquarius and I like long walks on the
Speaker 2: beach just cave, but I do love water. I own
Speaker 2: Charisma Hair Studio here in Barry. I've been a hairstylist
Speaker 2: for just over twenty years now. I have two boys
Speaker 2: and a husband and a beautiful excel American bully named Lola.
Speaker 2: And I also educate for our product line and our
Speaker 2: care company.
Speaker 1: That's a lot on your plate. Yeah, I love that
Speaker 1: you brought up your dog o. Oh yeah yeah Lola, Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I love her. I love seeing her stuff on your
Speaker 1: Instagram like catch potato o a walk. I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where life.
Speaker 2: We sleep in Potato, where we go for a.
Speaker 1: While, there's not really an in between.
Speaker 2: I might get a minute of zoomis and then it's
Speaker 2: just like, mom, that was hard.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. So when you first started, So you recently
Speaker 1: celebrated your ten year anniversary for the salon, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's incredible. Yeah, what made you get into hair? So
Speaker 1: just to recap, because I don't even think I told
Speaker 1: you this is the first time we're recording. Actually recorded
Speaker 1: a podcast episode earlier with doctor Liz, she's a natural
Speaker 1: pathic doctor here in Bear and we did the same
Speaker 1: thing because I'm like, you're cool. I like you, I
Speaker 1: want to know about you. Let's have a conversation and
Speaker 1: let's record it at the same time, so like, we
Speaker 1: don't have any notes in front of us. But so
Speaker 1: a few months agoing to a survey, and I talked
Speaker 1: to some of the members in that survey what would
Speaker 1: you like to hear more of? And something that they
Speaker 1: spoke about was having confidence and self esteem and how
Speaker 1: to like present well and stuff like that. And at
Speaker 1: the same time, I was watching your social media, your
Speaker 1: personal social media and your business for Chrisma, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, you got it. Like, there's so much
Speaker 1: to say. I'm going I'm gonna pass the mic over
Speaker 1: to you in a second. But there's so much to
Speaker 1: say for someone who a empowers women and people in general,
Speaker 1: who also runs a business and has staff as well,
Speaker 1: Like that is such a huge thing. And at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, there's a lot of parallels as
Speaker 1: well with what we're doing is we're empowering people. We
Speaker 1: want people to feel good. So in saying that, that's
Speaker 1: something that the members here have really asked me about
Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, I want to know about like
Speaker 1: gaining confidence and stuff like that. So like we can,
Speaker 1: we can do fitness and it helps gain your confidence.
Speaker 1: But there's another piece of the puzzle, and that to
Speaker 1: me is how people present themselves and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So what made you start in that industry? Because that
Speaker 1: is such a big industry like that not like I
Speaker 1: don't mean a big industry as in like a lot
Speaker 1: of competition. I think with anything, there's competition anywhere, But
Speaker 1: I'm a community over competition and all yours well, But
Speaker 1: what made you in that that's such a big crown
Speaker 1: to have on your head, I guess is what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say, so, why did you pick an industry
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I don't think I knew about the competitive side of
Speaker 2: the industry. I just knew how it felt when I
Speaker 2: finally found a hairstylist that made me feel good about
Speaker 2: my hair, like I hated my hair my entire life.
Speaker 2: I had naturally curly hair for my dad, but my
Speaker 2: mom is German, so as the Germans say, we have
Speaker 2: sour kraut hair, which is really fine, stringy hair. So
Speaker 2: I was taught to just brush my hair, and it
Speaker 2: always made it big and frizzy because it would brush
Speaker 2: my curls out. But my curl patterns actually fairly decent,
Speaker 2: so because the curl pattern is really strong once you
Speaker 2: brush it straight, because it's fine, it will stay straight,
Speaker 2: but it expands throughout the day. So my hair would
Speaker 2: just always look big and frizzy, and I didn't understand
Speaker 2: why because I had soft blonde hair naturally, and I
Speaker 2: couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 2: I think I was in grade eleven at the salon
Speaker 2: I worked at for ten years before I opened my
Speaker 2: own salon, Jody, my old boss, cut my hair, and
Speaker 2: she was like, you have naturally curly hair.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I.
Speaker 2: Don't, and she's like, yeah, no, no, like you do.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I really don't. So when you're hot, yeah,
Speaker 2: because I was brushing you straight. Nobody ever taught me
Speaker 2: how to care for my hair. So that's something that
Speaker 2: we really do in our salon is like we teach
Speaker 2: our clients their hair is not the problem. We use
Speaker 2: the right products for our hair, and we care for
Speaker 2: our hair properly, even with colors. If a color is
Speaker 2: going to be bad for your hair, we're going to
Speaker 2: teach you about the colors that would be right for
Speaker 2: your hair that won't do as much damage. A lot
Speaker 2: of people think you need to bleach everything, lighten or
Speaker 2: lighten or lighter. You know, you can use high lift
Speaker 2: blondes if you need to. Like, there's so many ways
Speaker 2: to get to one different look, and we find the
Speaker 2: right one that's for our clients specifically.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, I did not know any of this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone who has actually curly hair. This is the first thing.
Speaker 1: So I don't know why, but I'm a firm believer,
Speaker 1: like for at least the last decade, and like I
Speaker 1: don't leave the house with wet hair because it makes
Speaker 1: me look like I'm disorganized. Yeah, so I put that
Speaker 1: like in my brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah that No, you didn't put that in your brain.
Speaker 2: Do you know how many women think that because they're
Speaker 2: taught like a smooth, blown out look is normal, is
Speaker 2: put together, but naturally curly hair is borgeous and it
Speaker 2: should be allowed to be free and wild, just like
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: I love youself, be free. I was like, because if
Speaker 1: the one time I do this and the last how
Speaker 1: many years, I'm meeting you today, But in my brain,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know that you're not not judgmental. No, no,
Speaker 1: And I know people that have visited you and visited
Speaker 1: your business as well, and that's something that they have
Speaker 1: said before, and they're like, oh when I walk in there,
Speaker 1: I can be myself. Yeah, Martina listens like it's like
Speaker 1: I'm doing this with my hands like a match made
Speaker 1: for here an Yeah, a match made in heaven. I
Speaker 1: stopped because I instantly thought of this. There's like a
Speaker 1: Brian Adams song that came in my brain. It's like
Speaker 1: something about in heaven or something. I don't know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So you started at a song before, yeah, working and
Speaker 1: then you worked there for ten years? Yeah? Wow, it was.
Speaker 2: It was when I had my first son, and like
Speaker 2: going on Matt leave and then having to leave him
Speaker 2: to go back to work. I always said I wanted
Speaker 2: to be a salon owner, and I don't really know why.
Speaker 1: I just did. And maybe it was.
Speaker 2: The passion for wanting people to understand they're not the problem.
Speaker 2: They're very well marketed too, and that's why they think
Speaker 2: they're the problem. So yeah, once I left work and
Speaker 2: went on Matt leave and was with him all the time,
Speaker 2: and then going back part time and leaving him, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, if I'm going to leave him, it needs
Speaker 2: to be for something substantial.
Speaker 1: And I loved that business. Like family.
Speaker 2: It was Italian owned. I'm still really best friends with Robin.
Speaker 2: It's now it was Susette's and Innisville. It's now called Rovenko.
Speaker 2: She just did a big, beautiful rebrand and remodel on
Speaker 2: the salan and is taking it over and like growing
Speaker 2: it into the next era of hairstylists. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 2: three generations of family. The aunt owned it originally, then
Speaker 2: Jody and now Jodie's daughter.
Speaker 1: So that's special.
Speaker 2: I know it's a special business and I got to
Speaker 2: be a part of that, but I wanted to build
Speaker 2: something like that for my family.
Speaker 1: I think, just something for my own. So and fast
Speaker 1: forward now ten years, ten years, and you moved in
Speaker 1: the last two years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it'll be it was a year ago January.
Speaker 2: We moved Christmas of I don't even remember what was
Speaker 2: a year ago twenty twenty five, So we moved Christmas
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four. We closed shutdown shop and moved
Speaker 2: everything over.
Speaker 1: That makes sense because I moved. So for those who
Speaker 1: don't know, Christmas next door and you Unit one in
Speaker 1: two at fifteen Cedar Point Drive, it's actually where the
Speaker 1: transformation station was before. And I think that's why I
Speaker 1: naturally gravitated to you, because I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: and I knew your business before, just actually through Ashley.
Speaker 1: He's a mutual friend of hers, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, because she always spoke very highly of you
Speaker 1: and her hair, which you were doing and still do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh my gosh, because I actually
Speaker 1: called the landlord because I'm nosy as shit sometimes and
Speaker 1: I do my best. I don't love to tell secrets, right,
Speaker 1: so I try to know what I know is what
Speaker 1: I know, and I try to keep appropriate things to myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was like, what are they doing in there?
Speaker 1: Like this is interesting? So I called. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's going in next door? And they're like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: a hair place. So I'm like who. I was like,
Speaker 1: no way, this is awesome. And then there was one
Speaker 1: day I was driving back. We were doing an event here,
Speaker 1: so I got the key here December twenty six, on
Speaker 1: Boxing Day, Yeah, and that's when we started moving everything over. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I remember I was driving by one day
Speaker 1: and the doors were open, so I actually left my
Speaker 1: car running the keys in it and you weren't there,
Speaker 1: and you probably walked into my phone number written in
Speaker 1: like three feet numbers on like a box or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You talked to my husband and I walked here. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, hi, I'm Christina. I need to introduce himself.
Speaker 1: I'm like what are you doing? And he's like, do
Speaker 1: want to see you? I was like, yeah I do.
Speaker 1: I was like okay, I'm like if you need help
Speaker 1: or if you have questions or give my number to
Speaker 1: Martina whatever. He's like, okay, cool. And I think I
Speaker 1: wrote it on a box maybe or kind of somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was really exciting. But like you moved so
Speaker 1: about two ish years ago, Yeah, and what was that?
Speaker 1: Did you your vision change or yeah?
Speaker 2: Like I opened my business with no staff and a
Speaker 2: dream three years before covid hit. Okay, so we were
Speaker 2: only three years old when covid hit. I had my
Speaker 2: two stylists that started with me as apprentices, were fully
Speaker 2: licensed and like doing clients for a year straight. So
Speaker 2: they were just starting to build momentum. We were just
Speaker 2: starting to make money back and then covid hit and
Speaker 2: people started doing hair in their homes and the industry
Speaker 2: kind of, in my opinion, collapsed and fell apart. An
Speaker 2: industry that was supposed to bring people together just became
Speaker 2: even more separated. There's a huge disconnect now between people
Speaker 2: that want to be independent and people that want to
Speaker 2: be part of a team. And instead of looking at
Speaker 2: like personalities, where treating everyone like they're bad if they
Speaker 2: want to be independent, or they're bad if they want
Speaker 2: to work as a team. And again me wanting everyone
Speaker 2: to realize they're not the problem. I'm like, well I
Speaker 2: need to fix this again, so why not put myself
Speaker 2: in more debt once my business is paid for? So
Speaker 2: we were getting old, and like after three years old
Speaker 2: and then going into COVID, I just kept having to
Speaker 2: pivot every year and change the way I was doing things.
Speaker 1: And I think people.
Speaker 2: Got confused with me and my vision as to why
Speaker 2: I had to keep changing things, But it was because
Speaker 2: costs kept going up substantially and I didn't have a
Speaker 2: business degree when I started. I was learning as I
Speaker 2: was going, so I just had to keep changing things.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I really feel like if I switched
Speaker 2: it to a space where I could have suites so
Speaker 2: people who want to go independent can and even clients,
Speaker 2: not everybody can handle the background noise of a salon,
Speaker 2: having a space for people to be able to be
Speaker 2: independent and alone, and then having a space for people
Speaker 2: that enjoy being a part of the mix. And that's
Speaker 2: where I came up with charisma here and associate suites.
Speaker 1: That's insane. Yeah, it's beautiful. What you've done in there
Speaker 1: is night and day. Thank you. It is so like
Speaker 1: I don't really know you that well as we're having
Speaker 1: this conversation, but I've been rooting for you. Like to
Speaker 1: see I hate crying, like I like from my own experiences,
Speaker 1: it's for lack of a better words, fucking hard to
Speaker 1: own a business. It's really hard to own a business.
Speaker 1: There's not I'm gonna mark this with explicit there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of people who understand when we make decisions
Speaker 1: where it's coming from until they see the fruit of
Speaker 1: thy labor, like yeah afterwards. Right, And it's so hard
Speaker 1: when you are the I call it like like it's
Speaker 1: almost like a pyramid without being like an MLM by
Speaker 1: any means, but like it's like the bottle, Like we
Speaker 1: are the bottleneck of our own business. Yeah, so we
Speaker 1: see everything that goes through it. We're the filter for
Speaker 1: our team. Yeah, we're also need to make sure that
Speaker 1: we are taking care of our own health and our
Speaker 1: own families and our own dogs and stuff like that. Right,
Speaker 1: but like we are the strainer for all stuff. Like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's up to the
Speaker 1: business owner that everyone is getting paid, the clients are
Speaker 1: going to be happy. Yeah, we're still like you do
Speaker 1: a lot of extra learning and teaching as well. It's
Speaker 1: making sure that your skills are still sharp, not from
Speaker 1: ten years ago, but you're always continuously learning and of
Speaker 1: course saying like fitness or some things that have entered
Speaker 1: the chat ten years ago that are still incredibly valid
Speaker 1: to this day. And there's also new things that we're learning.
Speaker 1: So like it's pivoting. It's making sure your team is
Speaker 1: taking care of, making sure that they're happy, making sure
Speaker 1: that your clientele is happy. Yeah, making sure your Google
Speaker 1: friggin reviews don't go haywire. Oh it's I cannot like,
Speaker 1: there's so much that a business owner takes on, but
Speaker 1: to see how much as an outsider looking in, to
Speaker 1: see how much that you have done, and I already
Speaker 1: knew that you were a good person. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't even need to verify that because if you have
Speaker 1: a team and you empower women, I already know that
Speaker 1: that's good because that's heaviest shit. Thanks, you're well phone.
Speaker 1: It's a lot, It's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: What is one thing that you do for yourself as
Speaker 1: someone who like you know how it feels to have
Speaker 1: your hair done and like you look so grey right now,
Speaker 1: you have your makeup done, Like you're wearing like matching clothes.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing my same typical black Lulu Lemon outfit. But
Speaker 1: like that makes me feel good. But what makes you
Speaker 1: feel good as someone who empowers other people. I get
Speaker 1: my nails done, that's my one thing.
Speaker 2: It's because I oh, yeah, I usually have to put
Speaker 2: my phone down and put it aside. I can't touch
Speaker 2: it when I'm getting my nails done, So I fully
Speaker 2: can disconnect from the business swell and getting my nails done.
Speaker 1: That is smart. So usually if I book something a book,
Speaker 1: a petit here, so I could still have my phone
Speaker 1: in my hand Yep, you just cracked a cheat code.
Speaker 2: I need to fully disconnect from your business for an
Speaker 2: hour or two once every few weeks, like you just
Speaker 2: have to or you won't survive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even on the holiday.
Speaker 2: Weekends, everybody else is out having fun disconnected. We're returning emails,
Speaker 2: We're returning messages, We're returning everything. Now with most hairstylists,
Speaker 2: they do have their own personal page where they will
Speaker 2: return some messages. But I'm returning everyone in the salons, yes,
Speaker 2: not just my own. Then on top of it, my
Speaker 2: own personal yeah. Yeah, the same thing.
Speaker 1: Actually, every holiday I run a special class or a
Speaker 1: pop up here as well. So yesterday, so I did
Speaker 1: work over the long weekend. Every day. I also with
Speaker 1: a lot of like behind the scenes, like payroll, stuff
Speaker 1: and website days and all like newsletters and yeah, programming
Speaker 1: and talking to people and like all the administration. Literally.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, Okay, September, we have like six or
Speaker 1: seven specialty pop ups going down and we're planning like
Speaker 1: workshops and things like that. But I still have to
Speaker 1: have the time to do those things. Yeah. So, Like yesterday,
Speaker 1: one of our coaches, my name is Annie, she's fabulous.
Speaker 1: I asked herhim, like, Hey, Tuesday, do you mind just
Speaker 1: covering my morning classes? I have so many things to
Speaker 1: do on Tuesday that I just I need just a break.
Speaker 1: And I said to some of the members today, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, having someone else coach for one morning
Speaker 1: or two mornings out of the week is so good
Speaker 1: for everybody. It's good for you to get used to
Speaker 1: other coaching styles. It's good for me as much as
Speaker 1: I love seeing them all the time. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I could see you guys every single day,
Speaker 1: but by nine I am I've spoken to at least
Speaker 1: fifty people. Yeah, so it's nice to have one morning
Speaker 1: where I can actually put all my focus to run
Speaker 1: running the business smoothly because people still need to get
Speaker 1: paid emails still need to get connected to. Yes, and
Speaker 1: there might be someone in front of me that day
Speaker 1: and they're like, did you get my email? I'm like,
Speaker 1: when did you send it last night? Okay, I'm still here,
Speaker 1: like I have. I woke up at four o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning and I work straight away. Yeah, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I will get back to your email. I promise you
Speaker 1: in the next twenty four hours. Do not worry. And
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, okay, thank you, no worse, just making
Speaker 1: sure you got it. So like, there's so many things
Speaker 1: like I feel bad stepping away because I do enjoy
Speaker 1: it so much that I feel guilty if I don't
Speaker 1: take time or if I do take time away from
Speaker 1: the business. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: I think I used to feel like that, and then
Speaker 2: having children and having to put those types of boundaries
Speaker 2: in where like, if you don't take those few minutes
Speaker 2: for yourself, you're not going to be as good a
Speaker 2: mom to them, because you're gonna be overstimulated, touched out,
Speaker 2: tapped out, done, and then you're not the nicest mom you.
Speaker 1: Can be either.
Speaker 2: So I think I learning that having that part of
Speaker 2: being a mom made me realize, Okay, if I want
Speaker 2: to be the best business owner I can be, then
Speaker 2: I'm going to need to do that for myself with
Speaker 2: the business as well. Now that's not saying I always
Speaker 2: do it, but like when I'm really starting to feel
Speaker 2: the burnout, then I remember and realize also health issues.
Speaker 2: I now have an autoimmune disease. I actually cannot stress
Speaker 2: my body out because if I stress my body out,
Speaker 2: I'll send it into a flare up. And mine is
Speaker 2: a physical one that will take me from behind the chair.
Speaker 2: And I never want to leave behind the chair. I
Speaker 2: always want to be part time anything behind the chair,
Speaker 2: doing clients, having.
Speaker 1: That connection with human is important to me.
Speaker 2: So I just have to know because I've worked myself
Speaker 2: into an auto seat space rights from business stress. Business
Speaker 2: stress is a lot of my stress. And then balancing
Speaker 2: business in life, I think, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been in business over twenty years now. I
Speaker 1: started my first business when I was seventeen. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: that's something I'm recently seeing because like I'm so used
Speaker 1: to being a one man show. When I started my
Speaker 1: first business, I was a one man show. When I
Speaker 1: started with fitness, my first location was at Tiffin and
Speaker 1: in a Spield Street and I was like it was
Speaker 1: like twenty twelve or twenty thirteen when I first opened
Speaker 1: my first commercial location. So this is my fourth move technically,
Speaker 1: and each time I've grown since then. But it was
Speaker 1: until the Transformation station was maybe two years old that
Speaker 1: that's when I wasn't coaching like a lot of the classes.
Speaker 1: We didn't have as many classes then as we do now.
Speaker 1: And then when we moved, I actually ended up clearing
Speaker 1: out house and there was just a lot of caddy
Speaker 1: things going on behind the scenes, and I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: had enough of this. And when I don't feel comfortable
Speaker 1: stepping into my own gym, there's a huge problem. And
Speaker 1: that was me not implementing boundaries and not being confident
Speaker 1: in who I was with over twenty years of business
Speaker 1: amen under my belt, yeah, and like like no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't run over me and tell me what to
Speaker 1: do in the business because I'm looking at data. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at what's good for everybody. I always say data
Speaker 1: is like that's that's everyone's vote is the data? Is
Speaker 1: the data? Oh yeah, So when I rebranded and I
Speaker 1: made the switch, and when I made the switch, it
Speaker 1: was Okay, I'm not going to franchise I'm not going
Speaker 1: to have children. I'm going to take on this extra
Speaker 1: load because actually my lease was almost done because that
Speaker 1: was just at the end of my five year lease. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, do I close up shop?
Speaker 1: Do I need this? Do I not need this? Do
Speaker 1: I want to do this? Yeah? So I spoke with
Speaker 1: my partner and I'm like, you know what, I want
Speaker 1: this and she was like, well, either way, I'm going
Speaker 1: to support you. So if you want to stay home,
Speaker 1: you stay home. If you don't want to stay home,
Speaker 1: you don't have to stay home. I'm like whatever. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's just go because I'm going to
Speaker 1: be bored as hell sitting at home doing nothing. Like
Speaker 1: let's expand, let's go to the business. Resign a lease
Speaker 1: jumped right in and then I was like I'm the
Speaker 1: only person. And then I was coaching all the classes morning,
Speaker 1: we did some afternoon for hot second all in the evening.
Speaker 1: I was teaching zoom by how many times a week
Speaker 1: physically on my body ended up tearing my achilles tend
Speaker 1: in about four years ago, and then I ended up
Speaker 1: having to teach with a pneumonia. I ended up with
Speaker 1: an ammonia twice in one month. And I had members that
Speaker 1: were here for a long time that are certified personal trainers,
Speaker 1: that our group fitness instructors, and they're like, you need help, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but after I've been here, but oh heck, yes,
Speaker 1: Like I don't ever really get sick, which I'm thankful,
Speaker 1: knock on wood. But I was getting chronically sick because
Speaker 1: I had so much on my plate. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: they pretty much i'm gonna say, they bullied me kindly
Speaker 1: into having other coaches, so they stepped up. I was like,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, and now here like I'm I
Speaker 1: hear sometimes when they're like, oh, Christina, like we don't
Speaker 1: see you as often, and I'm like, I have so
Speaker 1: many If you still see me three four times a
Speaker 1: week in the morning, you still see me three four
Speaker 1: times a week in the afternoon, and you see me
Speaker 1: on the weekends. I can't be present for every single
Speaker 1: person all the time because that's not sustainable. So if
Speaker 1: I want to be here in business, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you can relate to this as well, because what you
Speaker 1: just said, Yeah, if we want to be present for
Speaker 1: our business and our clientele that we know and love,
Speaker 1: and they know and love us is we have to
Speaker 1: not be everything to everybody all the time. That way
Speaker 1: we can sustain this for the next five years, ten years,
Speaker 1: twenty years, thirty, forty fifty years, Like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like there's so many businesses that fold, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they can't take it the pressure anymore, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The whole point is we are the face of our business,
Speaker 2: and I think people get attached to that. However, when
Speaker 2: we build a team, we are strategically looking for like
Speaker 2: minded individuals that will care for our clients and customers
Speaker 2: the same way that we would care for them. So
Speaker 2: knowing that they're going to be in the same cared
Speaker 2: for hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, we trust them and they're good exactly.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's just a matter of personality.
Speaker 2: You might not gel with this instructor, but you're going
Speaker 2: to love this instructor just because energy levels and things
Speaker 2: like that, they need to match as well, right totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Like at for six am energy, Like
Speaker 1: we have other coaches that match the same sixam energy,
Speaker 1: but for a hot second, I was the only person
Speaker 1: that could bring the six sam energy because that's just
Speaker 1: my personality all the time. Yeah, and then there's sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm on wow, like as soon as I wake up, yep,
Speaker 1: how does that song go? As soon as I wake up?
Speaker 1: Make hands break? But like that's just how I am
Speaker 1: as a person that isn't always reciprocated. Let's say someone's
Speaker 1: coming in for a six forty five PM stretch and flow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like what is this and they're not
Speaker 1: gonna love it. Whereas if I have someone who has
Speaker 1: more of that energy to lead a stretching flow in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, that to me, in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night, Beau, I wake up so early
Speaker 1: at six forty five at night, that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: much better fit. So they might not see me, but
Speaker 1: they're gonna be seeing someone. I always say, like, in
Speaker 1: the last month, I've used this analogy so much as
Speaker 1: we're like a pizza place, doesn't matter what time day
Speaker 1: you come to. All of our crew. I don't love
Speaker 1: saying staff. I just don't love saying staff. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like our whole team or whole crew or squad, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it, we're all making the same
Speaker 1: pizza recipe. Yeah, we're all under the same umbrella. We
Speaker 1: have the same recipe. That's a great analogy. We're under
Speaker 1: the umbrella of kindness. We're all going to be kind
Speaker 1: and if, by chance, this is hard. Sometimes, if by
Speaker 1: chance one of the teammates are not making the same
Speaker 1: recipe as us, that's when the visions don't line up.
Speaker 1: And that's when we have to put our personal feelings
Speaker 1: aside and put the business hat on and take care
Speaker 1: of business. And there's some times when we make decisions
Speaker 1: that it's going to be judged. So that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of the phase the season that I've been in recently.
Speaker 1: What about you? What kind of season? How like business
Speaker 1: goes up and down of all different feelings and seasons
Speaker 1: and learning.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've definitely been judged. I have been put
Speaker 2: under a microscope. And I don't like people thinking I'm
Speaker 2: mean or like not a nice person. It makes me
Speaker 2: feel really bad about myself if someone talks bad about
Speaker 2: me like it puts me right down in a hole.
Speaker 2: So I had to get used to being or understanding
Speaker 2: the fact that if I want to take control and
Speaker 2: I want to give the girls a great work environment
Speaker 2: and I want our guests to have a great experience,
Speaker 2: that I'm going to have.
Speaker 1: To be the mean guy.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, as much as I'm not a mean guy, I
Speaker 2: just have to put the boundaries in place, and I
Speaker 2: have to be able to withstand and hold those boundaries. Yes,
Speaker 2: because if you don't, then it affects everybody. I used
Speaker 2: to think that if they spoke about me, but everybody
Speaker 2: else was okay, it was fine. That's also not true
Speaker 2: because if they're speaking about you, they're speaking about others,
Speaker 2: and then it's just making everyone question and it's just
Speaker 2: a recipe for disaster. The pizza is gonna come out
Speaker 2: mushy snap, that'd be good. Yeah, especially when that's your team. Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had someone here that was literally like and
Speaker 1: this is very transparent because if you go on Google
Speaker 1: you can see the reviews like from the old staff
Speaker 1: member and their whole entire family and their cousins or whoever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really that's just great, right, Yeah, Like I've
Speaker 1: worked my whole ass, like we're work my whole ass
Speaker 1: off for this, but like it was hard because like
Speaker 1: it I like I remember just I had to go
Speaker 1: to like a vision board making event like the next day,
Speaker 1: and it was like like it was like ding ding
Speaker 1: ding and I was driving and it comes up on
Speaker 1: like my Apple play to be like Google review Google Google.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is happening in this place? And I
Speaker 1: pull over. I was literally vibrating because I'm like, I
Speaker 1: put my whole life into making sure to die. Irrespond, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I've never shook like that. Yeah, being so stressed.
Speaker 1: I was crying. I like I was puke, Like it
Speaker 1: was so horrible, and I like, I pride myself where
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, I'm not like there's no
Speaker 1: way that anything's going to take me down. But because
Speaker 1: that was a business decision, not a personal decision, and
Speaker 1: I actually had liked that person on a personal level,
Speaker 1: it started to diminish and I didn't realize that this
Speaker 1: person was drilling holes in our own boat. So like
Speaker 1: like I was hearing things and people were sending me
Speaker 1: emails and like what is happening? So I put like
Speaker 1: a generic we have like a staff app, a group chat,
Speaker 1: put like a generic thing. I'm like, what is happening?
Speaker 1: Like I'm hearing these things. This is not true. I'm
Speaker 1: not too sure where it's coming from. But if members
Speaker 1: have an issue, please direct them to my email. Also,
Speaker 1: all of our all of our coaches, all of our staff,
Speaker 1: everyone that's here under our business. I'm just certified. Everyone
Speaker 1: is like they have more than what they need to
Speaker 1: work here. Yeah. So when when something starts to put
Speaker 1: down you want to you want to call me a bitch. Hey,
Speaker 1: I've been divorced twice. I hear I hear my own rumors,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, some of those are true. Some
Speaker 1: of them very very nar are learning literally, so it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: take what you heard and add to it. I'm at
Speaker 1: the stage round and give a shit. But then when
Speaker 1: someone trashes my business, when I'm like, you had an
Speaker 1: issue with the operations, it wasn't the vision was no
Speaker 1: longer like vision exactly. Yeah, like it when like, there's
Speaker 1: certain things I don't stand for in here. One of
Speaker 1: them is racism. Yeah. One of them is like competition, Like,
Speaker 1: if you want to be competitive against yourself, that's all great.
Speaker 1: If you want to see like, hey, how how long
Speaker 1: can I hold a plank? Like, that's normal competition with yourself.
Speaker 1: If you are putting people down around you, that is
Speaker 1: such a hard boundary for me, especially if someone has
Speaker 1: been trusted in a leadership position. Yeah. So racial slurs,
Speaker 1: homophobia obviously, like all of those things are no bueno.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So long story short, like, sometimes we have
Speaker 1: to do hard things and that's where I think some
Speaker 1: of that slander comes into play. Like when I walked
Speaker 1: away from my last marriage, all of a sudden people
Speaker 1: were and it was only after eight months. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden people were telling you that I was wrong.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, am I not in charge of my
Speaker 1: own happiness? I'm not in charge of my own life.
Speaker 1: It's like, how is that wrong? It's not wrong if
Speaker 1: it's right for you exactly. Yeah. So it's interesting, like
Speaker 1: having all those hats to wear because all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: when you own a business, it's like your life is
Speaker 1: a spectacle. Yeah, you're put under a microscope.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, as long as you know that your intentions
Speaker 2: were always to bring happiness to people and be kind
Speaker 2: and leave the world a better place than you found it.
Speaker 1: Then that's all that matters. You know who you are
Speaker 1: and you know what your intentions are. Yeah, what's your
Speaker 1: favorite thing about owning your business?
Speaker 2: I literally get to go to work, paint and chat
Speaker 2: with women all day long.
Speaker 1: Like that is the best thing.
Speaker 2: Like some of my my clients have been when I
Speaker 2: became a mentor and brought in apprentices and learned that
Speaker 2: I was teaching them and saying, this is an OG,
Speaker 2: this is an OG. How many clients have mine have
Speaker 2: been with me for twenty years? I'm like, wow, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: because a ten years prior to yeah, I was a
Speaker 2: hairstylist before a business owner and hairstylist, right, So like
Speaker 2: I have twenty year long lifetime relationships with people. So
Speaker 2: like that connection and that connection to another human is
Speaker 2: like everything to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and something too is trusting you as with
Speaker 1: something so vulnerable as like their hair, Yeah, their whole look.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that's such a like a like a detrimental
Speaker 1: piece of that puzzle. When I started with my first location,
Speaker 1: I was like twenty one or twenty two maybe, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have people that are members here that were members
Speaker 1: with me back then. Yeah. Yeah, So like it's it's
Speaker 1: interesting to see like when you build those relationships, and
Speaker 1: that to me is one of the most wholesome things. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when like when someone says like it makes you remember
Speaker 1: why you started. Yes, I got an email the other
Speaker 1: actually I just forward it, forwarded it. That's a wholeful
Speaker 1: forwarded it to the coaches and it was a member
Speaker 1: who has been a member here for I'm going to
Speaker 1: say about six months, and she wrote this whole email
Speaker 1: that made me just cry, and it was saying like
Speaker 1: how much she has changed because like walking and she
Speaker 1: was someone who chronically fell. Yeah, and she was she
Speaker 1: actually had a fall and for the first time, it
Speaker 1: didn't take her two weeks to recover and she literally
Speaker 1: just picked herself up and she's like oh, she like,
Speaker 1: is anything broken? Am I good? I'm good. She's like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm good. And then she kept on
Speaker 1: going about her day. She went dress shopping, she did
Speaker 1: whatever she needed to do. She's like, that is the
Speaker 1: first time and how many years? And she's like, I
Speaker 1: test that to my strength training. I was like, thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing that with me. And at the time,
Speaker 1: I was going through like the cubby drama, so I
Speaker 1: was like, oh dear. And then as soon as I
Speaker 1: opened that email, it brought me right back because to me,
Speaker 1: coaching and being on the floor, that's the fun stuff,
Speaker 1: Like you're interactive, Like I love obviously talking, so like
Speaker 1: when I see other people that are around me, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you got no new shoes. Oh that's awesome. What did
Speaker 1: you do for the weekend? Who did you see? Oh?
Speaker 1: I remember this person that's your friend from like when
Speaker 1: you were like eighteen years old. Oh yeah, So like
Speaker 1: that part, the coaching and being available for people and
Speaker 1: building relationships, that to me is like my favorite favorite
Speaker 1: favorite thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then when I got to put like my boss
Speaker 1: hat on, which I can't stand. I love it, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but I don't love calling it the
Speaker 1: boss hat. When I have to make those hard decisions,
Speaker 1: that's the part where I'm like, oh, don't love that
Speaker 1: all the time. No, But then I remember like stories
Speaker 1: like that, It's like, oh, this is why I do this,
Speaker 1: because this person just changed their entire life because of
Speaker 1: something small that I build. And not just one person.
Speaker 1: Now there's one hundreds of people that are walking through
Speaker 1: the doors every day. Are becoming better versions of themselves,
Speaker 1: or they're tolerating less, they're becoming empowered and taking control
Speaker 1: of their own minds. Yes, yeah, So I find just
Speaker 1: saying that with it. I know that when I've had
Speaker 1: my hair done, which is not too often, to be fair,
Speaker 1: we have a member here and she's been doing my
Speaker 1: hair for a while and she's starting to like step back,
Speaker 1: and that's not a secret. So I remember the handful
Speaker 1: of times that I'm leaving and I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: gotta go see everybody. Where's all the errands I've been
Speaker 1: avoiding for the last month. I'm like, I feel good.
Speaker 1: But I think like when people feel good, they do good.
Speaker 1: They do good. When you feel good about yourself, you
Speaker 1: do good.
Speaker 2: And that's why with me, it's so important for people
Speaker 2: to realize that it's their hair is never the problem.
Speaker 1: Their hair is never the problem half the time.
Speaker 2: It's the products we're marketed and the way that hair
Speaker 2: stylists are actually educated as well. Hair silists are educated
Speaker 2: to brands, they're not educated to hair, which I think
Speaker 2: is starting to change. I do believe there is a shift.
Speaker 2: They're starting to teach curly hair and everything we need
Speaker 2: to learn. Even curly cutting is very well marketed. Curly
Speaker 2: cutting is very well marketed, like all the different curly
Speaker 2: methods and things like that. Hair is a fabric. You're
Speaker 2: either working with coarse hair, medium hair or fine hair.
Speaker 2: You're working with dense hair, medium density or thin. You're
Speaker 2: working with a wave, a coil, a tight coil, or
Speaker 2: straight that's what you're working with. It's a fabric, and
Speaker 2: understanding the fabric that you're working with is the most
Speaker 2: important thing. Wow, I can see as soon as you're
Speaker 2: talking about that. I think a fabric land so I
Speaker 2: can think of like a seamstress.
Speaker 1: If she has the wrong tools for the wrong texture,
Speaker 1: that things not going to stand up, or it's gonna break,
Speaker 1: or it's gonna rip. It's not going to withstand the storm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then that fabric's not going to feel very good
Speaker 1: when it leaves.
Speaker 2: Now, my clients and my stylust are always like, of
Speaker 2: so many scissors, I'm like, yeah, I do oh because
Speaker 2: the metal densities do different things for the hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, even the different type of texturizing shears.
Speaker 2: They're straight, there's bulky, there's curved. They do different things.
Speaker 2: If you try to use thinning shears that are straight
Speaker 2: with millions of teeth on a curly hair that needs
Speaker 2: to go in opposite directions to be able to do
Speaker 2: their coils, yeah, you're breaking the curl. They have debulking
Speaker 2: shears because some people just have too much hair and
Speaker 2: they do need a little bit of de bulk and
Speaker 2: you can in certain spots. It's okay. It's the same
Speaker 2: as people who do it with their shears. Some people
Speaker 2: prefer to do it with a thinning shear, some people
Speaker 2: prefer to do it with a cutting shear. They're actually
Speaker 2: rounded at the base of it so the curl can
Speaker 2: coil into it and it won't break the curl pattern.
Speaker 1: That's so fascinating. Yeah, like holy yeah.
Speaker 2: There's different levels of deposit with color that you can
Speaker 2: do in different levels or different products that you can
Speaker 2: do to get used to get those levels of deposit.
Speaker 2: That's why I chose to use a color line that
Speaker 2: has a three in one system, so I'm in control
Speaker 2: of the level of deposit always so I know what
Speaker 2: I'm doing to my client's hair.
Speaker 1: That's a far cry from a box guy. It's very
Speaker 1: far far.
Speaker 2: Box dye is like going to TMU and ordering one
Speaker 2: size fits all because we.
Speaker 1: Know it doesn't. We know it doesn't. Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So box dye also has cheaper ingredients in the colors
Speaker 2: and metallics, so typically that's why it's harder on your
Speaker 2: hair than professional color. However, when you're going to a
Speaker 2: professional colorist who understands how the color works at a
Speaker 2: different level and is able to make your own formulation
Speaker 2: rather than a hairstylist who is tall taught how to
Speaker 2: use a color line, not taught how to color hair fabric.
Speaker 1: You see the difference and you see the value being spent. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that. It's a level of education that
Speaker 1: is out there for hairstylists. Yeah, that's yeah. Like I'm
Speaker 1: a firm believer that you see professionals for professional things
Speaker 1: for a reason. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I for like a dentist, I have a healing center
Speaker 2: with Loonza because they give us education, and I think
Speaker 2: education is important and valuable. However, I still push my
Speaker 2: girls to go out and source outside education because you
Speaker 2: can learn something from everything. I've done Vidal, SASU and ABCS.
Speaker 2: I've done Revlong cutting courses. I've done Schwartz cop coloring classes.
Speaker 2: I've done Olligo coloring classes. I've done so many different
Speaker 2: types of certifications and even extensions. I've purchased multiple brands
Speaker 2: of extensions certifications because everybody does it a little differently,
Speaker 2: and then you learn what you feel works for your clients. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's important to put money and invest in your education.
Speaker 2: That yeah, Yeah, so that you know you're not being
Speaker 2: educated to a brand, You're being educated to the hair.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that so much. Yeah yeah, same as
Speaker 1: in fitness. Yeah, there's not a one size fits all.
Speaker 1: Everyone's body is so unique. Yeah. Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: So on that note, you have a lot of knowledge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like white, what I was just like blonde eyed, black,
Speaker 1: dye wrapped, dark brown, purple. That's so, that's so unique.
Speaker 1: So let's say someone's working out m H five days
Speaker 1: a week, three three to five days a week. Let's say, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they only Okay, I'm talking about myself. I honestly
Speaker 1: assume that was coming. So I work out at least
Speaker 1: I'm going to say an average of four days a
Speaker 1: week where I'm getting like exceptionally sweaty. Yep. I try
Speaker 1: to wash my hair once a week. Yeah, what is
Speaker 1: your opinion on that? And what can people do?
Speaker 2: You can use a gentler like no poo shampoo where
Speaker 2: they are non said zing, just a sham where they
Speaker 2: literally it's almost like where curly girls do co washing.
Speaker 2: It's more about cleansing the scalp than it is about
Speaker 2: stripping the oils from your hair.
Speaker 1: No pooh shampoo. Yeah, so like dry shampoo.
Speaker 2: No, so like curly lines. A lot of curly lines
Speaker 2: have them. Some color lines will have them. For people
Speaker 2: that work out. It's a cream cleanser okay, yeah, so
Speaker 2: you can wash more without stripping all the oils. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: so like we carry one in our curly line. It's
Speaker 2: the butter shampoo.
Speaker 1: So it's it.
Speaker 2: They say it has a micro ladder. The only person
Speaker 2: I've really gotten a micro lather on is my two
Speaker 2: year old. That's how gentle it is. I used it
Speaker 2: on his hair, and everyone has always told me, your
Speaker 2: kids have amazing hair. They have full heads of dense, thick,
Speaker 2: curly hair. Thankful to their dad because that's not for
Speaker 2: me maybe, but we both have curly hair, so they're
Speaker 2: always like you have. They have great hair, like it
Speaker 2: never nodded and never tangled. But I always use good
Speaker 2: product on them because it was in my shower and
Speaker 2: I brought home the ones that were right for their hair.
Speaker 1: Ham that's interesting, Well do you carry that next door? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: in here that like they either wash their hair every
Speaker 1: single day. A lot of people have talked about going
Speaker 1: through hairy metopause and metopause at their hair set. I
Speaker 1: am someone that used to get my hair like thinned out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cut on its own. Now it's sitting on its
Speaker 1: own formal yes. Yeah, so that's something I've noticed a lot.
Speaker 1: Like even someone commented on my braid the other They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you have a nice full braid. I'm like, that's not
Speaker 1: the size of what it used to be. So yeah,
Speaker 1: like my ponytail was thing. Yeah, I was like, oh damn.
Speaker 1: That's also thanks to I'm Italian, but my dad's side
Speaker 1: has thick, thick, black, coarse hair. They're well Pruvian, so
Speaker 1: that's where I get. My mom's hair is actually naturally
Speaker 1: is strawberry red orange. Yeah yeah, so like that's my
Speaker 1: My hair comes from my dad's side. So it's interesting
Speaker 1: to see like how things shift and change. Do you
Speaker 1: remember blondisma? Yes, I use that in my hair. I
Speaker 1: just didn't tell you this, but I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I use that in my hair once because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want to be blonde because everyone loves blonde girls.
Speaker 1: So I bleached my hair.
Speaker 2: That's what I looked like, like orange orange, rainbow, yes,
Speaker 2: yellow red and orange tones. That's exactly what I look
Speaker 2: like because it wasn't evenly distributed it either, because your
Speaker 2: hair was so dense, so you got saturation is part
Speaker 2: of lyft. So when you get the spots that get
Speaker 2: really saturated, they probably made it to that yellow orange.
Speaker 2: And then the spots in the back that were not
Speaker 2: saturated so well, probably made it to like the red orange.
Speaker 1: Wow. So what stage of the coloring do you think
Speaker 1: was the burning part of my scalp? All of it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So again levels of lift and deposit. All box colors
Speaker 2: are made to lift, not just deposit, So the ammonia
Speaker 2: content and those are pretty high when you're lifting.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you sit through your eyes feel like you're bleeding.
Speaker 1: Yeah side yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When my hair started going from like naturally dirty blonde
Speaker 2: with all the different tones of blonde in it to
Speaker 2: like darker, ashy blonde, I started getting so upset because
Speaker 2: people always my hair was my big thing because I
Speaker 2: always hated it, but they always complimented the color. So
Speaker 2: like when I started losing that color, I got upset
Speaker 2: and I did a box color and my dad would
Speaker 2: never let me play with my hair. Strict army man,
Speaker 2: absolutely not I was perfect the way I was. Wasn't
Speaker 2: allowed to touch anything, even the hair mask arrows that were.
Speaker 1: Big when we were little.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, not even allowed to touch that. No, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: But I was already so he let my mom do that.
Speaker 2: I cried, I'm like, this is burning. What is happening
Speaker 2: to me? And it didn't even go to like a
Speaker 2: nice color. It barely did anything.
Speaker 1: And that the things we do, it was the worst.
Speaker 1: So seeing what the trends are like, we had blondisma
Speaker 1: in like the nineties. Yeah, what what is your Is
Speaker 1: there something that's I literally don't really know anything about hair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I know that I need to brush my hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah's pretty much it. I'm learning. Yeah, what would you say?
Speaker 1: Is something that's trending right now? Everything? Really, I remember
Speaker 1: at one time bolliage was like really really big.
Speaker 2: Everything is trending right now. People still want bolliage. Lived
Speaker 2: in is coming back because it's more affordable. It's expensive
Speaker 2: that once, but you can go further between. What's that
Speaker 2: fashion colors are coming. It's another type of bolliyage. It's
Speaker 2: just more natural. Oh yeah, it's just very lived in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like highlighted and melted away and then toned down
Speaker 2: so it looks more natural, and as it lashes through,
Speaker 2: it just looks like natural highlights. As it grows out,
Speaker 2: solid colors are very in right now. Bright bold colors
Speaker 2: are coming back. Color blocking is coming back. We are
Speaker 2: at the age of information and TikTok and Instagram is
Speaker 2: feeding everyone tons of information and misinformation.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't think we deal with one thing in the
Speaker 2: salon anymore. Scalp health is huge right now. Scalp health
Speaker 2: is huge right now, like huge. Having that at home
Speaker 2: self care day is very important. What is that where
Speaker 2: we do like hair masks and we make sure our
Speaker 2: scalp is healthy and clean because we understand that's how
Speaker 2: follicles grow through, free and clear. And like the younger
Speaker 2: I saw an articles saying that the restaurants are struggling
Speaker 2: because the younger generation isn't buying alcohol anymore because they
Speaker 2: care more about their healthy have hear them being cool,
Speaker 2: which I think is amazing, Like we're fixing it.
Speaker 1: Like I think that's so awesome. But like self care and.
Speaker 2: Self help is so important now, so that you're seeing
Speaker 2: that come across in the hair. We don't care to
Speaker 2: like fry her hair off to get that specific look anymore.
Speaker 2: Whatever's going to make it help happy and healthy is
Speaker 2: kind of what's trendy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. There's a few people in here
Speaker 1: that they're they're embracing their grays. Yeah, so they still
Speaker 1: go to a salon, Yeah, but they have it. So
Speaker 1: it's like, maybe that sounds kind of like lived in
Speaker 1: but not lived in. I guess they're grown, they're growing
Speaker 1: it in, but they're still like getting it cut. And
Speaker 1: there's one woman in here she's had short hair her
Speaker 1: whole life and she's like, what am I I believe
Speaker 1: she's in her fifties and she's like, what am I
Speaker 1: going to look like if I have long hair? I'm
Speaker 1: going to try it for the first time in my
Speaker 1: whole life. I'm like, okay, cool. So she's getting like
Speaker 1: her hair like reshaped, and it's like looks like it's long,
Speaker 1: but it looks like it's different. It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it cut to be reshaped because it has
Speaker 1: to reshape a certain way to grow. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: what do you know?
Speaker 2: I thought you just grew it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but I guess the.
Speaker 2: Presentation there everybody always has a denser area on their heads,
Speaker 2: so it's usually at the top or in the nape.
Speaker 2: So it's balancing the denser area to define your area
Speaker 2: as it grows out, to keep the shape as you
Speaker 2: growed in.
Speaker 1: So do you do Do you do consultations where someone's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I want to do with my
Speaker 1: hair and I just want something. Yeah, and people book that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people app stations online. Yeah, oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2: And also we do a consultation at every appointment. Even
Speaker 2: with my regulars. I have a lady who comes in
Speaker 2: every four weeks, has never changed your haircut or color.
Speaker 1: That's cary, isn't it.
Speaker 2: She doesn't color all right, she won't even take a
Speaker 2: coffee or tea. I still ask her if she wants
Speaker 2: a coffee or tea, and I still ask her if
Speaker 2: everything was fine and if we're doing the same thing,
Speaker 2: because it's important the second you stop asking questions about
Speaker 2: your client and just expecting that it's going to be
Speaker 2: the same as the second they go to someone else.
Speaker 2: Everyone needs to be feeling like they're cared for when
Speaker 2: they come to a salon, whether it's the exact same
Speaker 2: or not. Yeah, consultation is key always. Would you ever
Speaker 2: make suggestion on haircuts as well? Yeah, like according to
Speaker 2: like face shape or like what they're I had an
Speaker 2: educator explain it to me this way one time, and
Speaker 2: it's stuck with me. Our head is the first type
Speaker 2: of smart technology, really, our body is. So our hair
Speaker 2: actually grows in a direction that is meant to frame
Speaker 2: our face and hit the money pieces in the happy spots.
Speaker 2: So like where your cheekbones are, you want to make
Speaker 2: them pop. Sometimes you don't want to hit a certain
Speaker 2: area under the chin, you want to lift the eyes up.
Speaker 1: Things like that. Our hair actually grows into shape, so
Speaker 1: fighting a part is useless. Go with your part. Let
Speaker 1: your hair go where it wants to. It knows better
Speaker 1: than us. Yeah, yeah, that's neat.
Speaker 2: It's meant to grow in with our head shape and
Speaker 2: accentuate our features, so we have to allow it to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Neat. Yeah huh, I know, look at my hair the mirror.
Speaker 1: Later this one time, I got to tell you I
Speaker 1: was so like, I wanted to change myself so badly.
Speaker 1: This is coming out of my last marriage I was in,
Speaker 1: and I tried everything to be desired to look attractive,
Speaker 1: Like I tried everything, and I cut my I've always always,
Speaker 1: since I was like five years old, had hair long
Speaker 1: while even longer than this. Yeah, and it's always been
Speaker 1: like my signature. Look, I guess if you will. Because
Speaker 1: the one time I tried to bleach it when I
Speaker 1: was kind and so I ended up cutting my hair
Speaker 1: like just above my shoulders yep. And I had probably
Speaker 1: five different colors put into it. It was like a
Speaker 1: light brown color and it had like three or four
Speaker 1: different highlights and low lights and like like soft reds
Speaker 1: and coppers and brown because I'm like, well, I need
Speaker 1: to look like a soccer mom. Like I think that's
Speaker 1: what my spouse at the time likes because I can't
Speaker 1: figure it out. Yeah, and I know that I get
Speaker 1: comments about like my skins a little bit too olive
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I'm like, okay, so how
Speaker 1: how can I look in a way that you're gonna
Speaker 1: like me? So I started like looking around and being
Speaker 1: like how what how can I look like everybody else?
Speaker 1: So the first thing I did was like cut my hair.
Speaker 1: I think it was like three or four hundred dollars
Speaker 1: that I paid it was, and it was like six hours,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I think that was a pretty good deal
Speaker 1: for six hours of work. But like I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this isn't even even me. Like I looked in the
Speaker 1: mirror and I'm like, I don't like anything about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like the haircut didn't match my face, the color, and like,
Speaker 1: I'm not meant to be this. I'm not meant to
Speaker 1: look like the what we would stereotype and call like
Speaker 1: a soccer mom, which is a soccer mom. Actually looked
Speaker 1: like I could look like a soccer mom. I got
Speaker 1: touch to usual. You never really know, but back then
Speaker 1: that was like that look. Yeah. Yeah. So it's interesting
Speaker 1: how you say, like the way your like your face
Speaker 1: grows in a way that's that's good, like according to
Speaker 1: like your cheekbones. But then you have to have that
Speaker 1: person that you know and trust and love to have
Speaker 1: the skill because as you just explained, there's many types
Speaker 1: of scissors. It's not just crayola or backing scissors. Yeah. Actually,
Speaker 1: my spouse over COVID, she's gonna kill me for saying
Speaker 1: this loud. So Chris is her name, and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was locked down. I couldn't go see my regular
Speaker 1: hair person that she went to like for like twenty years.
Speaker 1: She's like, I just used the dog grooming like the yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're kidding me, Well, didn't look that bad? Did
Speaker 1: look great? Look that bad? I'm like, okay, now let's
Speaker 1: get you to a proper barber.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was like, oh okay, Yeah. So it's
Speaker 1: it's different, like how what what works for one person
Speaker 1: and how something as small as seeing someone that is
Speaker 1: qualified and educated can change how we I'm talking to
Speaker 1: you like a consumer this context. Yeah, Like I know
Speaker 1: that if I want to feel better and how I
Speaker 1: look and how I'm presented, that I know that if
Speaker 1: I go and get my hair done, that's gonna put
Speaker 1: an extra pep in my step, the same way as
Speaker 1: if someone comes in here and doesn't workout forty minutes
Speaker 1: in and out, they're gonna be walking a little bit taller,
Speaker 1: a little bit more proud. And I think that's the
Speaker 1: same kind of idea or at least like relatable. Yep,
Speaker 1: that when people come into the lawn and I bet
Speaker 1: you have and I'm not even gonna bet, I know
Speaker 1: that you would have so many people going through so
Speaker 1: many different things sit in your chair. Yeah, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you had one story that was like your best story,
Speaker 1: something that you have remembered for a long time. What
Speaker 1: is one story from a client or from a teammate,
Speaker 1: or something that has stuck in your head.
Speaker 2: I honestly get asked this question so many times, and
Speaker 2: it's really hard for me to stick it like any
Speaker 2: of them, to stick it out, because some of them
Speaker 2: are really traumatic, so you try to block them out.
Speaker 2: Some of them are happy. But there's so much that
Speaker 2: goes on on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: I forget.
Speaker 2: I have been through weddings, I have been through cancer treatments,
Speaker 2: I have been through spousal passing away, I have been
Speaker 2: through baby losses. I have been through it all with
Speaker 2: my clients. So like, wow, yeah, like it's twenty years
Speaker 2: of business and hair and just growing with my clients
Speaker 2: the biggest Actually, it's more personal. I would say I
Speaker 2: was dealing with someone in the early years of my career. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I use this when I mentor my younger staff
Speaker 2: coming on about why we need to make it easier
Speaker 2: to disconnect when we're at work from our real life.
Speaker 2: I was, or if they're burnt out and they need
Speaker 2: a brain to let me know, just say I'm burnt
Speaker 2: out and I need a break. And I'll understand. Use
Speaker 2: those words. We don't need to cut around corners. You
Speaker 2: can be honest with me and I will understand. I
Speaker 2: was dealing with a friend that had substance use abuse
Speaker 2: issues and it was coming to a point where it
Speaker 2: was taking a toll on me mentally and physically. We
Speaker 2: were at the end where it was like, this is
Speaker 2: the last time I can save you. You have to
Speaker 2: get treatment or we're going to have to take time apart. So,
Speaker 2: like going into work, I was noticeably not my bubbly
Speaker 2: happy self. And that's okay. It's okay to not be
Speaker 2: on every day, right, But trauma dumping with a client problem, yes,
Speaker 2: they're there to feel light. If it's a client that
Speaker 2: knows you really well and really wants to discuss it
Speaker 2: and talk it out with you, that's a different story.
Speaker 2: But trauma dumping and unleashing that negative energy is not okay.
Speaker 2: And then I had a client that saw someone they
Speaker 2: knew at the store that had come to see me
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, yeah, I actually don't go see
Speaker 2: her anymore. And they're like what, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the last time I went it was really heavy and
Speaker 2: she wasn't okay, and it ruined the experience for me.
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's actually probably what sticks out for me the
Speaker 2: most because then it allowed me to understand that when
Speaker 2: I walk into that space every day, I'm also I'm
Speaker 2: responsible for myself and my own emotion, but I'm also
Speaker 2: affecting the person in my chair. So if that heavy
Speaker 2: feeling is something that they were going through at the
Speaker 2: same time and they needed a break from that, I
Speaker 2: didn't allow them that space, and I should have been
Speaker 2: able to say, hey, I need a break today. Yes,
Speaker 2: I can't do this today. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So interesting too, because that's something that I've noticed
Speaker 1: about myself and here yep, because we make such good,
Speaker 1: solid relationships and connect and we end up a lot
Speaker 1: of us in here are very very close. Yes, And
Speaker 1: like I'm such a firm believer that I leave my
Speaker 1: I leave my shit at the door. Yeah. So, Like
Speaker 1: I had dogs that passed away like back to back,
Speaker 1: and it was like they were young, and it was
Speaker 1: like really like abruptly, and nobody knew and people like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys have like X amount of dogs. I'm like, actually, no,
Speaker 1: we have one. This is all the time. We have one.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, what, like, why didn't you tell anybody?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, that's that's not my place because
Speaker 1: when I come in here, it's not I wasn't on
Speaker 1: my social media. I'm very specific with what I post
Speaker 1: on my social media as well, Like I post like
Speaker 1: some weird things once in a while, but it's for
Speaker 1: a plan and a purpose. So like, I also know
Speaker 1: that when I'm going through staffing issues that I don't
Speaker 1: want to be the person that tears down my own team,
Speaker 1: especially two members. Yes, and in saying that, there are
Speaker 1: some OG members that have been here through the ups
Speaker 1: and the downs where I'm like I need I needed
Speaker 1: to ask. No, they know No, you cannot hide it
Speaker 1: from them.
Speaker 2: They know you.
Speaker 1: They know you better than you know yourself. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: sometimes knowing what the audience is and what's the plan
Speaker 1: of this. So like I know that I have about
Speaker 1: three or four trustee steeds. I'm gonna call them like
Speaker 1: people that I trust that are members here. And if
Speaker 1: I'm going through something or if I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: think that this might be a thing, but I'm not
Speaker 1: too sure, so I'm like, hey, do you have capacity
Speaker 1: for an opinion? Can I talk to you about something,
Speaker 1: did this happen, did this take place? What is like?
Speaker 1: Are you good? And they'll tell me like I'm like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: And they always come from a neutral standpoint, YEP, because
Speaker 1: I don't love especially like I played ball hockey for
Speaker 1: a long time when you have like Max was eighteen people.
Speaker 1: I started my own team once. Then nobody knew how
Speaker 1: to hold a stick except like maybe one or two
Speaker 1: people including myself that did not know how to hold
Speaker 1: a stick. And I'm like, well, I just want to
Speaker 1: have time with my friends, So if my friends can't
Speaker 1: play with me on this team. And it was like
Speaker 1: two people, I'm like, I'm start my own team, and
Speaker 1: they're like, you need up to like minimum thirteen people.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay. I ended up like waitlisting people that
Speaker 1: wanted to be on my hockey team. So I ended
Speaker 1: up with eighteen people on my roster. We had lost
Speaker 1: of switches. It was great, but we were all eighteen
Speaker 1: women facing another team chasing one ball. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: very dramatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you can imagine, out of over two hundred
Speaker 1: members here plus our staff, we have one male member,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of women in here. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of fabulous women in here, yeah, and we all
Speaker 1: have our own life experiences and their personalities. But there's sometimes,
Speaker 1: as someone who is the filter of the business, there's
Speaker 1: things that happen that nobody will ever know, yeah, because
Speaker 1: it hits me first, or there's sometimes it hits other
Speaker 1: people first, and I'm like, hey, what is happening, Like
Speaker 1: the person that was drilling holes in the boat? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when three member come up, when three members send me
Speaker 1: messages and emails and call me and say, hey, this
Speaker 1: person who's not no longer here, This person who was
Speaker 1: a coach on the gym floor while she was teaching
Speaker 1: classes called you a bleep bleep bleep bleeping leap. I
Speaker 1: was like, why in my business on my jim floor
Speaker 1: in front of our members, to our members, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like trying to also ask your clientele because
Speaker 1: they're the first hand experience exactly. And also in saying that,
Speaker 1: like I know that our members here. It's a different
Speaker 1: business model in a different kind of a context because
Speaker 1: people here are coming three times a week, four times
Speaker 1: a week, five times a week, so it's easy to
Speaker 1: build those ongoing relationships, but also be like, you guys
Speaker 1: are eyes while I'm not here, not that I need it,
Speaker 1: but they know that if something happens, they're going to
Speaker 1: come and tell me about it. And I think that
Speaker 1: that is also so important is building a a team
Speaker 1: you can trust yep. But also if someone goes rogue,
Speaker 1: there's a community that they all believe in the same
Speaker 1: vision and feeling good, and as soon as something doesn't
Speaker 1: feel good, they're like, ah, no bueno, I need to
Speaker 1: go talk to the person that can actually address this properly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's a fine line between like I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about this, but I also don't want
Speaker 1: to trauma dump on you exactly, and also like you're
Speaker 1: going through your own shit and everyone's going through shit.
Speaker 2: So it's like that where you say, do you have
Speaker 2: the capacity, yeah to handle this conversation right now? That's
Speaker 2: like a great way to do that.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's remembering to ask that too. Yeah. I've
Speaker 1: gotten really really good at that. Yeah, Yeah, the capacity
Speaker 1: or do you know, because there's certain things that when
Speaker 1: we go through things, I feel like it's just a
Speaker 1: dead stop because there's certain things that you can't really
Speaker 1: talk to people about well.
Speaker 2: And sometimes it's hard to see what you're going through
Speaker 2: while you're in it. So seeing an outside of or
Speaker 2: opinion that has first hand I don't know the words
Speaker 2: I'm looking for right now, like bird's eye view, yeah,
Speaker 2: of what's happening in their first hand experience of what's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm just getting their outlook.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's okay to ask for outlook and help
Speaker 2: when it's done in the right way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, depends on what is
Speaker 1: the motive with Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things like that circulate online, and
Speaker 1: I'm always online because it's hard to run a business
Speaker 1: without being online. Yeah, you need to be social media socials,
Speaker 1: so you have to interact. Yeah, And like there's something
Speaker 1: that is said like if you are always if you
Speaker 1: talk about somebody, that person's talking about you as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's something that I don't necessarily believe because there's
Speaker 1: certain there's certain aspects. If it's like all the time
Speaker 1: and all the people, then sure, like I'll be like okay, cool.
Speaker 1: If it's I'm having a conversation to my spouse about
Speaker 1: something that's happening in the business or going on. Then
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that's not necessarily Sometimes there's factual, but
Speaker 1: we don't have anyone above us. So when we hear
Speaker 1: things or do things or things need to change, sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to have those discussions. So if I want
Speaker 1: to talk to my right hand man about something the business,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, and I talk about something that's
Speaker 1: going on and there's going to be name dropping, that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean that that's me talking shit, because again,
Speaker 1: it depends on what outcome are you looking for? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and same like like vice versa, like from a business
Speaker 1: owner to a business owner. There's sometimes I have a
Speaker 1: friend that owns a gym and there was a membership
Speaker 1: that I ended up canceling, like over five six years ago,
Speaker 1: and this person came in and was like a bull
Speaker 1: in a China shop and route and mean and degrading
Speaker 1: to people. Yes, and people would see her name in
Speaker 1: class and they wouldn't show up. Yeah, So, hey, Kim,
Speaker 1: where's podcasting? Oh Kim just walked in, Kim says high,
Speaker 1: So I'm not even gonna edit that. That's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: So okay, I picking up where I dropped the ball there.
Speaker 1: So another gym owner in myself because I was also
Speaker 1: periodically going there as well as back a few years ago,
Speaker 1: and I said, I was like, ooh, this person I
Speaker 1: just saw is coming to your gym, and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see how that goes. I'm like, remember the story
Speaker 1: about and she was like, oh my gosh. She's like,
Speaker 1: tell me that's her. I'm like, yeah, that is her.
Speaker 1: She's like, okay, I could see it. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you just for your information, just so you
Speaker 1: can like watch what's going on. Yep. And sure enough,
Speaker 1: the same thing that she was doing there, she was
Speaker 1: going and doing it there. She ended up just fading
Speaker 1: out eventually. But it wasn't for me to say you
Speaker 1: shouldn't do business with that person, because I would never
Speaker 1: do that because I said to her, I'm like, maybe
Speaker 1: she's changed because this wasn't the atmosphere for her. Maybe
Speaker 1: she needed a different atmosphere, which is what she wanted.
Speaker 1: But I'm just letting you know that that's the same person.
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh, okay, thank you for that information.
Speaker 1: So I think like when it comes down to having
Speaker 1: the conversations about people, places, or things, sometimes I think
Speaker 1: it does depend on what is the outcome of it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And in that moment, you were just
Speaker 2: trying to protect your friend and her business.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have one of those.
Speaker 2: We have daily night talks and both her husbands are like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, here she goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to have that. You need to get
Speaker 1: it off your chest. Yeah, you need a person always. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of my really good friends, he's a chiropractor and
Speaker 1: Barry and he has his own business and there's sometimes
Speaker 1: and it's nice because we're not the same industry. Yes,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, oh, how's your day. How's your day? Oh? Nothing.
Speaker 1: He's such a nice guy that there's he's very consistent.
Speaker 1: Everything is very consistent. I'm like, oh, I wish that
Speaker 1: I could be even just like as peaceful as you
Speaker 1: are on the outside. And he's like, I wish I
Speaker 1: could be more outgoing and more sheet from the hip
Speaker 1: like you. And I'm like, no, no, no, that's it's
Speaker 1: all another ballgame. His balance, his balance, So like when
Speaker 1: we talk, it's like, oh, this is great. He just
Speaker 1: overlapped the same like business stuff y. Right. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: if you were to give someone advice and we're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap this up, real quick. I love having you on
Speaker 1: the podcast, Martina, like, it's so great to actually sit
Speaker 1: and talk with you, and I yell from other's side.
Speaker 1: I don't know, here we go. If you were to
Speaker 1: give someone advice that maybe they weren't feeling like themselves,
Speaker 1: I got two questions on that one, all right, one,
Speaker 1: what is advice that someone has given you? And what
Speaker 1: would you give to somebody else? Be real, not perfect?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I actually have a tattooed on my arm
Speaker 1: really case. Yeah yeah, Oh wow.
Speaker 2: I love that I had an army father and a
Speaker 2: European mother and everything had.
Speaker 1: To be done German at that. Oh yeah, wow, everything
Speaker 1: had to be done perfectly, and I carried that through
Speaker 1: life and it put a lot of pressure on.
Speaker 2: Me, sorry guys, Christine to just spilt water all.
Speaker 1: Over all over the train of thought.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, everything had to be done perfectly, and I
Speaker 2: was so in my head about making sure I was
Speaker 2: doing it perfectly.
Speaker 1: I wasn't enjoying the moment of it.
Speaker 2: So just being myself and not being perfect was exactly
Speaker 2: what I needed to hear when I heard it, and
Speaker 2: it was actually my education training. It was on the
Speaker 2: wall all weekend and I didn't see it till the
Speaker 2: last week.
Speaker 1: The last day. Oh yeah, wow, the things that sticky.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So when I saw it, I'm like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And that whole weekend I learned that being me was enough.
Speaker 2: And most people, if they're saying it's not, it's because
Speaker 2: they're projecting.
Speaker 1: Their own stuff onto you. Yeah, that's it. It's that simple,
Speaker 1: that is so solid. And reminding yourself of that every day.
Speaker 2: One other thing I learned too, is it is important,
Speaker 2: and it is very difficult for most people to do.
Speaker 2: Start standing in the mirror every day doing power.
Speaker 1: Poses, power pose like bam, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And affirm yourself the entire time. And if you really
Speaker 2: need to strip down with it, you need to strip
Speaker 2: down and naked and stand in front of a mirror.
Speaker 2: I haven't even gotten to that part yet. Nope, still
Speaker 2: not there yet. I've had children. You strip yourself down
Speaker 2: to your most vulnerable, your most vulnerable self, and stand
Speaker 2: in a powerful pose and affirm yourself for an entire minute.
Speaker 2: And when you can get to that, you're doing good.
Speaker 2: You start small and grow start ten seconds, thirty seconds,
Speaker 2: forty seconds, and just keep growing it.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, I've never heard that. I heard a lot
Speaker 1: of things I've never heard that. I'm gonna try it.
Speaker 1: It makes sense, right, it does make. It sounds very
Speaker 1: life changing and scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like becoming So when people see me personally
Speaker 2: on my hair Goddess page in my stories where I
Speaker 2: show my outfits and stuff, yeah, that's my favorite. That's
Speaker 2: me standing in the mirror telling me I'm worthy.
Speaker 1: That is cool. And then I take picre sure of
Speaker 1: it because I'm proud of myself and I just may
Speaker 1: get the outfit of the day. I love your wardrobe too,
Speaker 1: every time, like where'd you get that? Nice? It's from here,
Speaker 1: there and everywhere because Kirby Ladies. Right, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: well we're gonna wrap it up. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for talking with us today, Martina. Absolutely for anyone that's listening,
Speaker 1: if they want to follow you or find you or
Speaker 1: book an appointment, even how would they find you?
Speaker 2: Instagram, Charisma Hair Studio, Facebook, Charisma Hair Studio online, Google,
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