Speaker 1: What is of Fellasiko's I Am Dampa Valley coming at
you with Mort Gensen of the NBA podcast, Fame of
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only fans celebrity. The NBA Playoffs have started, and guess what,
we're not going to talk about them, only a game
for each series in the books. We'll have something up
later this week on just some of our biggest takeaways
and observations so far. We didn't want to hit them
just yet. We want multiple games under our belts, so
we are instead going to catch up on a lot
of turnover happening around the NBA in the aftermath of
the close of the regular season. We have not discussed
at all at length, with the exception of Moret and
I did talk about Michael Malone in Calvin Booth being
dispatched let's call it from the Denver Nuggets. We will
not be discussing that, especially because they're in a playoff
series right now before we get started, though. A lot
of just crucial decisions being made around the league. Moret,
how are you doing.
Speaker 2: Doing well, sir? Going well?
Speaker 3: It was such a new stump over the past few days.
Well week pretty much of firings and hirings and like
it's all confusing and great and very typical of the NBA.
Speaker 2: So I'm with it. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I will say it is atypical to me
in the sense that we don't normally see per year
this much top of the line front office upheaval.
Speaker 2: That is true, Yes, that is true.
Speaker 1: You're normally focused on coaches and now it's oh, all right,
bye bye Landry Fields.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which.
Speaker 1: Doesn't that seem like a good place to start The
Atlanta Hawks, Landry Fields, their general manager, has been fired
on C Salah will be promoted to GM and the
search for a president of basketball operations is already underway.
Sticking with that, just what are your impressions of them
going in this direction and do you think it could
mean anything for just Quinn Snyder since we know I
know that you know Salah's a member of this front
office already, But don't new front offices tend to like
to make their mark by making their own coaching higher.
That's that's just something I have circled here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, same.
Speaker 3: I don't think any coach can can sit there and go, oh, yeah,
my job is safe when you see a major change
in management. You know, I it's not one of those
things where it's like totally greeches or anything like. I
could see why they would look at the whole Deontay
Murray experiment and say, oh, we lost a lot of
assets in that one, like we have to do something else.
But then you would kind of wonder if the timing
of it all. But you know, you got the first
pick last year, you got Zakar RuSHA Shane there. I
wonder if they also just kind of felt like, all right,
now might be the time. And adding to the speculation
in my perspective is also if you were skeptical of
Lanthry Feels going into this summer, and you were also
considering training Trey Young, that's probably a situation where you
want a new general manager to make that trade to
just basically say, Okay, we can't have the guy we
don't really trust anymore to do that trade. We need
someone else. So I suspect that everything outside of a
few exceptions is like open for business in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's how I would take it too. And
it's also just there's kind of a natural pivot point
for them, and also I do respect. I guess you
could argue that even maybe you should have done it sooner.
But did you want Landry Fields? I know they didn't
do anything super nuclear at the deadline, but you traded
DeAndre Hunter and bo done by Donovic. You don't want
Landry Fields heading up this draft process or like free
agency plans however you like, however you plan to go
about that Trey Young exten challenge role this summer could
sign It'll be a four year, two hundred and twenty
eight point six million dollar max. I would have assumed
that they were going to offer it to him, and
I think I'll be curious, you know, wrestler, the ownerships
like the owners Excuse me? Is it going to be
a stipulation that the next executive needs to keep Trey
Young because they still have like some of those few
like that future. So this year's pick, okay, already going
to San Antonio, but you kind of have control. What
is it twenty twenty seven, and then the swap writes
next year? So your next two first round picks or
oh to San Antonio? Are you going to give the
next executive the latitude to say, hey, if I want
to tear it down and trade Trey Young over these
next two years, even just the next year. I'm just
curious as to whether that person's gonna have the freedom
to do it. But it is regardless, just because he
is extension eligible, you have kind of reached a natural
pivot point. I would think, do you think if you
if you were coming in, yes, what is your pitch?
Here is it? We're gonna strip it down, We're gonna
trade Trey Young and kind of rebuild around Jalen Johnson,
Resa sche and Dyson Daniels. Is it? And by the way,
that's the other thing that goes into all this. They
have other free agents like Nance Lavert Capella or all
free agents. I think Levert's clearly the most important one
of those three. Dyson Daniels is extension eligible now coming
off a third season in which he's probably gonna finish
or he will finish. We got the confirmation he's top
three in Most Improved Player voting and will be mentioned
on the All Defense discussion as well. Yeah, a lot
of just maybe not a lot, but there I would
say two pretty significant decisions coming in just with the
Daniels extension and the Trey young is extension and just
future with the team.
Speaker 3: I mean to answer your question, yes, I I would
absolutely come in here and make the pitch of well
size because size again is so important in the NBA.
We've seen like a return to size. When you have
a six to eight, you know, compole guard averaging three
steals per game.
Speaker 1: You have a.
Speaker 3: Six ten power forward who's lanky, athletic, who can play
make Now you have.
Speaker 1: A six nine can't stay healthy though, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's that's right. So that's not let's put a pin
in that for later on because that's gonna be relevant.
But like that, you know, still when when healthy, Jalen
Johnson is amazing. So you have like great positional size.
That the if we want to label Dyson Daniels to two,
let's do that like the two, three four. You don't
really have a big center. I love on Yako Kongo,
you know that. I've been talking them up for years,
but six eight centers usually don't really fare all that
well unless they're basically Al Horford, and if memory serves,
Horford is actually six', ten not anything about. It SO
i wouldn't be shocked if they were looking at that
draft pick disadvantage and, Going, okay how can we replenish
our cupboards a little, Bit, well that Means Trey. Young
now that's a huge. Loss so you can't just go
out and get draft picks you. Need you're also because
not a lot of teams have cap, space so you're
gonna have to take some money. Back presumably that type
of money would be attached to a player who can
come in and participate right off the bat and would
help aid, that you, know the big defensive lineup.
Speaker 2: That they seem to be.
Speaker 3: Brewing WHAT i like about that deal though or not
that deal with that, scenario that vision Is Zakari Risha
sek looks like he will be pretty decent offensively as.
Well we Know Janiel johnson can produce. Offensively Dyson daniels
very much improved offensively this year as. Well so like
they have these three guys who can actually play both
sides of the.
Speaker 2: Floor that is.
Speaker 3: Somewhat a typical for the for teams that are trying
to rebuild a little. Bit usually you have like a
one way player and then you have a couple of
players where you don't really, know like is this guy
going to struggle? Defensively is he going to be only,
like you, know fifty percent defense one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Offense, like what are we looking at? Here?
Speaker 3: Here you have three guys who you just, Know, okay
we're gonna play balls of the, wall both sides of the.
Floor that's that's pretty huge because it kind of allows
you to, say all, right since we don't control our
own draft, picks but by by a trading Trade, young
we will control other draft. Picks we can actually focus
on winning because we don't have to. Tank if we're
in the control of other people's draft. Picks that gives
us all the incentive in the world to try to
win and be. Competitive it's basically the best of both.
Worlds AND i think that's the.
Speaker 1: Pitch, YEAH i would allow the next person to go
that direction if they pitch it, ADEQUATELY i would allow
it to be on the. Table BUT i kind of
also look At Trey young And i'm, Wondering, right he's
one year out from a player. Option you don't trade
For Trey young unless you know you're gonna keep. HIM
i still don't have the team that's gonna come in
and give you a like a best of both worlds
kind of package to, me AND i think that's probably more.
PROBLEMATIC i would, Think, look if you're asking, me do
you want to trade For Trey young Or John, moran
if it was between those, Two i'm probably higher On
Trey young at the. Moment, Yeah but, LIKE i don't,
know is that a super high bar to clear right?
Now and SO i look at teams that might be
in the market For, LIKE i don't think he's An
orlando player because of the expense and just the amount
OF i know he's gotten a little better away from the,
ball butch is the amount of the number of possessions
that need to be allocated to, Him AND i still
can't get. Around i'm not saying they should go balls
to the wall and try and win a championship and
double down and trade more first round, picks but not
having control over your next two first round picks does
give me some. Unease i've even, wondered could you get
one or both of your own ft like with San?
Antonio do that For Jalen.
Speaker 3: Johnson, oh For, Jalen i'm, SORRY i thought you were
lining up a Trade young deal. Here, Yeah, okay so
that's actually very, Interesting Like Jalen johnson would be probably
one of the best fits along With wimpy that you
can find at the. Four that's. INTERESTING i don't.
Speaker 1: KNOW i actually don't love the fit just because he's
not a good. Shooter he's, dynamic BUT i would prefer
someone to be a better. SHOT i, Know wemby shooting
kind of. Anything but, YEAH i. Don't i'm not saying
it's a bad. FIT i just don't think it's the
ideal fit, necessarily.
Speaker 3: Sir at playmaking, four playing with an inside outside seven
to four guy who's like the total unicorn defensively, alone it's,
like oh my, god the potential various.
Speaker 1: Reduced, ALSO i Think jalen John and is more of
a malleable defender than a good defender. Too that's he.
Speaker 3: All, right all, right the penny drops fair. Enough that's
WHEN i see. It, Okay, See i'm not. THERE i
love his. DEFENSE i think he individually JUST i might
even do.
Speaker 1: It i'm just so if you were with The, burgers
would you Give atlanta? One OR i don't even If
i'm In. Atlanta i'm not SAYING i even necessarily is that?
Enough just to you would want other stuff, Too i'd, assume, RIGHT.
Speaker 3: I, mean, ah that's a good. QUESTION i, mean, again
we're not dealing With Eco harrison, here so we will
have to be. Realistic, right what is a Good hawks purs,
Trade like if the if the object is to get
how many like first order of, business how many draft
picks do you want back that you're previously, controlled like WHAT.
Speaker 1: I, think and you're Trading Jalen, johnson you probably want
like both as the, starter like we want to spot
right back and we want twenty twenty seven back as.
Speaker 3: Well oh this so you're not thinking this. Year you're
not thinking twenty twenty five and.
Speaker 1: Twelve and if FUCK i didn't even think of that. Too,
YEAH i, mean IF i, guess if you're you would
want another process back to. Rebuild AND i know they
have they might have The kings first round pick this.
Year they also, have don't they have another first round
pick coming out of that De Jonta murray trade Dell,
On but you would, want you, know even if you
maybe have to give up one of the lesser favorable.
ONES i would for sure if you get your own
draft pick. Back BUT i Think i'd be focused more
so on because in, theory if you're Trading Jalen johnson
and then going to Trade Trey. Young the next two
first round picks are going to be more valuable than this. One,
yes they have The lakers first rounder this. Year, yeah
they might have The kings if it's outside the top.
Twelve SO i mean their first round pick could be
it'll be maybe. Better then they're not gonna have their
ow first round. Pick excuse, me, SO i, guess but
it could be better or right in line With. Sacramento
i'd be focused on getting twenty twenty six and twenty
twenty seven, back and you would have Interesting BUT i
guess if you really want. It The spurs do have
like something Around sohan And barns and those. Picks it's
NOT i don't know if The. Spurs The spurs might.
Say i'm sure Some spurs fans would prefer for So
and To Jalen, johnson if only because of the price
right now, anyway and the health concerns of course With,
johnson but he's a much better shooter Than Sohn, isa
so you, know you put him next To. WENBY i
think if it would be. GREAT i don't. Know there
are probably other FOURS i. PREFER i just don't it's
an interesting Exercise street because as The, hawks, like the
starting point for me IS i need both of those
like to control those picks back plus other. Stuff and
If i'm The, spurs if you think they're The, hawks
are gonna blow it up anyway and Trade Drey young
not Necessarily Jalen. Johnson there is a chance that at
least next year's, pick like having those swap rights could
be pretty.
Speaker 3: Juicy Helton johnson And Harrison barnes For Jalen johnson kind
of works in the, offseason doesn't.
Speaker 1: It and that seems like the right salary structure for.
Speaker 2: Sure it actually might be a little too, much not
to look at.
Speaker 3: It it's like forty six and a half And jalen
is At freddy even, Right.
Speaker 1: So, yeah but they HAVE i think both teams will
have enough wiggle room under the aprons for that not
to be an.
Speaker 3: Issue and then look if that's a big, trouble if
that's a big, issue.
Speaker 1: Like atlantic out a smaller salary or.
Speaker 3: Yeah you can add Both Kobe buffkin for. Example, yeah,
YEAH i.
Speaker 1: Don't i'm just, curious if you're The, spur do you
think it's a Harder it's it's probably an equally hard.
QUESTION i think For hawks fans they might just, say,
no we're not Trading Jalen. Johnson but if you're just,
REBUILDING i, mean if you believe it's, Him daniels And,
resche sure you also don't want to get yourself locked into,
well we're like losing not a, lot but not winning
enough and also not losing, enough and then where are
we drafting after? This at the same, time if you're,
NOT i will Say i'm not Moving. Johnson it'd be
a non starter to someone. Else you'd have to overwhelm
The hawks because the appeal is those. Picks that's San.
Antonio i'm only looking at this from The spurs, perspective
not the rest of the.
Speaker 3: League but like, you you'd have to follow it. Up
like if you go that route and you actually pivot
Off Jalen, johnson it would almost necessitate a trade young
deal where you get the picks back that you control,
yourself but then you Trade trey to get all of
the outside picks as. Well, yeah just you'd have to
load up because oh my, god their offense would just
be garbage next year if they went that.
Speaker 2: Route, LIKE i don't even know who they.
Speaker 1: Call you have your. Picks that works, out, then doesn't.
It you got to explore kind of the depths Of
resche And Dyson.
Speaker 3: Daniels Dyson daniels is gonna shoot like thirty seven percent
from the.
Speaker 1: Field but you know what average like twelve assist a.
Gamer they just put the ball in his hands and
make him they backed a point.
Speaker 3: GUARDS i don't even dare think about how many turnovers
he's gonna be tasked with twelve, well or commit?
Speaker 1: More that is.
Speaker 3: Fair, look that is that's interesting because like a lot
of the conversation around The Spurs hawks like have always
Been Trey, young, right but then they got The Aaron
fox and it was, like well that kind of died
if you think about, it like a core of Wemby
Jalen johnson To Aaron Fox Stefan. Castle that is. Filthy
that is that is. Filthy devin even forgot to sell
like you can just throw this cell in.
Speaker 1: There, YEAH i mean you would need him an issue with,
that just like you have a lot of questionable.
Speaker 3: Shooters yeah WHAT i mean in the, ROTATION i mean,
yeh but like that's that Is, god that's a, filthy filthy.
Speaker 2: ROSTER i just think it.
Speaker 1: Would be if that if the big moves that this
burs end up making are for two guys and The
Aaron fox And John johnson that you can consider below
league average. Shooters i'd have some, questions that's, all but
it would, Again i'd be high on the, fit but
it would just be, like can you they probably still
have enough left over to go get A Cam johnson or.
Somebody but then it's, like, well what are we just
burning through all our assets right? Now we'll wenb be
still on this side of twenty two or whatever it.
IS i just think it's an interesting thought. Exercise what
is if they're not gonna Move Trey, young, though is
there a way for them to kind of, Judge, like
isn't that also just on the table where it's If
Trey young's willing to sign the, extension we're just gonna keep,
him and we're just gonna try to Be we're not
gonna triple down and do something. Reckless but we Have,
rececha we Have, Daniels we're gonna have some other prospects
coming in. Here you continue to Develop Jalen JOHNSON i
might focus on AND i actually don't have a problem
with them if They if you don't control your own
first round, picks this this might be the most palatable
direction for me is just go out, there try and
upgrade the center rotation and like just see what you could.
Do maybe you probably want some more shooting or secondary
ball handling in here, overall especially If karroslvert's. Leaving BUT
i don't think this is like AN i don't wanna
say it's a desirable spot to be. In they clearly
need to sort of pick a direction Those Maybe i'm
just getting too hung up on their NEXT i guess
techically their next three picks being out the. DOOR i
just feel like that adds a layer of complexity to
where if you're gonna Move Trey young for not your own,
picks which we know at this point you would, be
there needs to be a team that's replenishing you with
prospects and other picks to an appealing. Extent and as
of right, Now i'll echo, AGAIN i don't have the
team THAT i think is gonna come in there with
that type of an, Offer like Would utah when they
Have collier And George they might not have the, Answer
but Is utah gonna be hot For Trey. YOUNG i
don't think.
Speaker 3: SO i actually agree with you also that it is
palable to like Keep trey in this situation because you
can see what they're trying to. Do they're trying to
negate the size of disadvantage at the one, right so
you have like a jumbo To jumbo, three jumbo, four
and like if you get that center in, there who
is Not Clint capella But Clint capella sized six eleven
seven feet at gia, long, yeah you might actually be
able to make a run in the. East so like
what we're looking at is Really Dyson daniel And Zachary,
richochet obviously young. Players WHAT i Think atlanta could be
hoping for is just waiting it out a little bit
because obviously year One, risachet it's not who you want
to Pair Tree young.
Speaker 2: With you want to pair him with year Three.
Speaker 3: Rishachet and for For Dyson, daniels it's year Five Dyson.
Daniels so, like if they have some patience and they
want to see this thing, THROUGH i have no issues
with that. Whatsoever it's interesting because they do seem to
have a lot of options for. HIM i, mean they
have Both capella And labert coming out of the, Books, like,
yeah you probably make it a pretty big effort in
Getting lbert. Back Larry nance also coming out the books
like you have.
Speaker 1: There FORTY i think they're like forty one million dollars
under the taxes of right now, too.
Speaker 3: Right you can probably pivot Off Terrence man pretty easily as,
Well like that shouldn't be a, problem especially now the
teams can If i'm understanding it, correctly, right like they
can trade for.
Speaker 2: A contract into their non tax.
Speaker 3: Emle, yeah SO i, mean is there a team out
there that'd be willing to give him? That, Well, okay
he's earning actually fifteen and a half, million is that
just Over.
Speaker 1: Yeah that must be that's like fifteen this coming.
Speaker 2: Year ah, right all, right, yeah that's that's.
Speaker 1: The true he's at movable, anyway THOUGH i don't know
if THAT atensi is a severely above, water but it's
not severely underwater.
Speaker 3: Either well, yeah, no, No i'm not saying he's he
was more like if you wanted to clear cap, space
like immediate cap, space that's probably a little bit rougher
because right now Only brooklyn is projected to have like real.
Speaker 1: Space and, yeah they're the Only detroit can get to
like north of twenty but it's would you rather have
twenty million and no chance of KEEPING thhj And Malik,
beasley or would you rather have a, chance, like let's
retain their, rights Even Malik beasley's non bird and then
we can spend the non tax payermid, level which is
fourteen to fifteen on its. Own, ANYWAY i, MEAN i
guess if you need the cap space to Keep Malik
beasley on his, own he's become super. Important but, yeah point, being,
yet you're, right there's only right, now there's only the,
nets which is gonna be fascinating about a team we're
gonna talk about a little. Bit, Yeah, atlanta THOUGH i
don't have an issue with this, Decision BUT i don't.
KNOW i just wonder what they view his car Like
Landry fields As cardinal sin as is if The Dejonte murray,
trade in which CASE i kind OF i didn't think
that they got great. Value if it was a lot
to give, UP i was supportive of what they were
trying to, do it was definitely a. MISS i JUST
i am curious if that's just what they're looking. At
WHEREAS i think the change itself could, Signal oh maybe
they are open to the more nuclear options that are
that are out. There they want someone new leading.
Speaker 3: It do you think if they hadn't lost Both Deontay
murray trades it would have been better because they they lost, both.
Speaker 1: Well they didn't lose as right, now they didn't lose
the second To Jontay murray. Trade they look like With Dyson, daniels.
Speaker 3: Right, okay that's, fair But i'm suying like you have
to look at in the moment as, well just in
terms of like gauging trade. Value, Right LIKE i hear
you Like Dyson daniels turn in, fantastic but like at that,
time while he was never a throw, in no one expected.
Speaker 2: This, no that's the same.
Speaker 1: Thing it's the same reason for people criticizing The pelicans
for giving up On. Daniels it WAS i, mean maybe
they didn't give him a viable, shot but the primary
personnel that was there was never going to be conducive
To Dyson daniels doing what he was doing In. Atlanta
and by the, way he was never once doing In
New orleans what he was Doing. Atlanta so, like, yeah
he had the floater in the, defense but it wasn't
like he did not look like a Defensive player of
The year type.
Speaker 2: Player SO i was so wrong on.
Speaker 3: HIM i was high on him coming into the, draft
THEN i was low on him after two years BECAUSE i,
thought oh my, god the offense is just so. Bad
he's going to be like at best Of Menca Stipele
and then he just gave me to the middle fingers this,
year And I'm i'm so happy that he.
Speaker 2: Did thank, You, Dyson but.
Speaker 1: For, HIM i would like to see this Like reeseache
being there okay, good AND i Think johnson, like, okay
space the floor they do, need though you're not looking
at this especially With bugdanovic And hunter now. Gone this
isn't a roster that has a ton of great, spacing
and so if you want to kind of Maximize daniels
and Even, TREY i, mean you're gonna need to make
that a. Priority in, addition do it, right we need
like kind of a different type of center anchor as
good As Onnyka kungu. Is, overall, though no issues with
this other Than i'm just curious as to what it.
LIKE i don't like The hawk's direction wasn't clear. BEFOREHAND
i don't think and this move doesn't clarify it for
me either, way other than the belief, That, okay maybe
ownership is more open to tearing it down and starting. Over.
Yeah next on the, agenda this is, Interesting, john we
are gonna talk about a playoff. Team excuse, me The
Golden State warriors And Jonathan, kaminga so Per stein And
Jake fisher over at The Steinlin people around the league
believe The dubs will look For Jonathan minga signed in
trade this summer when he's a restricted free. Agent he is.
Not he's. Bait he was like on THE i don't
want to say the fringes because he was, playing but
he closed the regular season with his rotation spot not looking.
Great He's Steve kurz not happy with his fit Alongside Jimmy.
Butler that makes. Sense The warriors are minus seven point
one per one hundred when they share the court. Together
the shooting has been, awful the defense hasn't been. Great
The dubs in, general Per stein And fisher apparently not
happy With jk's lack of playmaking, development and he did not. Play,
notably Maybe i'm burying the lead. Here he did not
play in the game one win over The, rockets and
so it's, oh is he even part of The dubs'
playoff rotation like at? All so, more what do you
make of? This jonathan kaminga, Stance and just look at
how they had an offer reportedly per The athletic was
like thirty million or something per year at like leading
into the. Season they seem to have gotten lucky that
he didn't sign. It and if he did turn down
anything in that, BALLPARK i don't know who's given him
that type of money this, summer even as part of
a sign and.
Speaker 3: TRADE i Am jack's complete lack of surprise on this,
one because it feels like this has been brewing.
Speaker 2: For a, while like even.
Speaker 3: BEFORE i was actually surprised last last year when there
were rumblings about an, extension because it felt pretty apparent
that those two sides were not exactly love with one.
Another so WHAT i was, expecting honestly was him to
get traded before the trade. DEADLINE i thought they would
want to get rid of that. Deal while it just
accounted one to one on the trade field for them
to go into this summer knowing that his contract is
going to be a problem just in terms of like
matching and sign and trades are difficult as he to
pull off now that they hardcap, you and, OH i
don't envy their situation right, now AND i don't envy
his situation right. Now he was hoping to cash in
like none no one here is. Happy so, yes of
course he's gonna move. On i'm just it's gonna be
interesting to see how perhaps it's gonna be no market
like really to the point where they just, like all,
right fuck, it let's extend and let's just kind of
move you later, on because if they extend or, not
that's not an. Extension let's GET i promise that. RIGHT
i just wanted to say it because the REASON i
pointed out if is if you do give him a
new contract from day, one that is the outgoing uh
number of, Money like it's, yeah like that it counts.
Speaker 1: You but you then have to hope that that contract is.
Movable so if you Give jonathan KAMINGA i know it's
a smaller percentage of the salary, cap but is twenty
million dollars a year you. Don't it's the same bogeys.
Speaker 2: With sim he's a free he's you can squeeze. Him
he's an he's a restricted free.
Speaker 1: Agent how often do we see teams actually do? That?
Though it's why everyone's scared about what The bulls are
going to Pay Josh.
Speaker 2: Giddy, well The bulls Paid Kobe white thirty six.
Speaker 1: Million, look, look because the market you mentioned this, before
The nets are the only team that's gonna have cap.
Space they might be a team that could have interest in,
him but it's. Not thirty million is just would be
absurd for. Him and maybe if it's a two year
deal or, something but if you're The, warriors you probably
have to match. That you have SOME i think they're
like twenty five million beneath the first apron or is
it the tax next? Year either, way like so you
have you don't have to worry, about, oh is he
going to become prohibitively expensive when your? Roster, yeah you're
seventeen point four million under the. TAX i would think
at this, point like in, Theory i'm not even giving
him like more than seventeen million a, Year so you
could soak up that, space then maybe the deal age is.
Better but like you need him to still be, movable
because you're already admitting not you The warriors are admitting, That,
oh this isn't the best spot for him anymore While
Jimmy butler's, Here so why is he going to get
better on his next deal if you don't trust him
to develop as a, playmaker a rebounder defender right? Now
and the sign and trade can be fascinating because the
base year compensation, rule like The warriors have enough space
beneath the tax i guess that some of it could,
Work but depending on how much he. Gets let's, say
let's say he signs for twenty million just FOR i
know you know what byc. Is if he signs a
twenty million dollars per year, deal he The warriors are
only trading him as a ten million dollar. Player, yep
the other team is acquiring him as a twenty million dollar.
Player that becomes harder to work, out even in the
offseason when there's not a ton of teams with cap
space to, say, oh, like we have ten million dollars
in cap space to offset the. Differential and even if you,
do what are The warriors getting back is the others
like what are you willing to accept for? Him so
do you end up even in a sign and trade
moving him for basically? NOTHING a shorter. Cut is it
even a hellul. PLAYER i think you hit it on
the head when you SAID i don't envy the spot
they've come in with, this they PROBABLY i Know kaminga
had some highs before he got injured this, year but
they missed the boat on getting anywhere near peak value for.
Him i'd be very curious to. See forget about the,
money but, like what is the interest? Level what is
a team willing to give you For Jonathan? Kaminga and
if it's not out, there the decision gets really. Tough
is we? Did we just pay him and hope that
the contract age is. Better AND i would just caution
anyone who says the cap is going, up you throw
him into a trade une matching. SALARY i get. IT
i keep coming back. To this is just the most recent.
Example AND i don't think he's a bad. Player The
Obi toppen, deal, like no one wants another three years of.
That it's not a detrimental. Contract but when salary matching,
tool when you sign someone to be a salary, matcher
but you give them three or four, years it's a
lot different than The Bruce brown where The pacers gave
him the one plus one that was team control on
that latter.
Speaker 2: Year question.
Speaker 3: Are we undervaluing him and his market considering his, age
like it feels like he's been around forever because he's
been a topic.
Speaker 2: Forever he's only twenty two years.
Speaker 3: Old he's obviously, producing especially, offensively like his permanent scoring
numbers have always been very. High he's had three years
not including this one, though where he's been fairly efficient
at least around the basket from, Two like there is
some interior juice to be squeezed there are we, underestimating
like how some teams could be looking at?
Speaker 1: Him, Yes i'm sure we. ARE i just DON'T i
will think OR i do. Believe excuse me that front
offices also kind of have to look unless you want
him to be the, Dude like you have to, question,
well how does he fit as part of a larger
ecosystem because they're worried about him fitting in Alongside Jimmy
butler and that kind of LIKE i Know Jimmy, Butler,
okay his own force basing like that be an, issue
but that's not oh, ah can he play with? Him
like that's not a great spot For Jonathan aminga to be.
In and it's the same questions we've had all, along
where it's if he's not going to be more of
a passor if he's not gonna be a higher, volume
were more efficient three point, Shooter AND i Don't i'm
sure we'll, see like if you want to put in
the common section or discord like, oh over the PAST
x games or this this. Stretch i'm looking at this
through an entire season, lens through a multi year, lens
and So i'm probably lower on him than. CONSENSUS i
would agree with you that maybe we're not looking at
this from a lot of other. Teams but let's even
throw assets and cap flexibility out the. Window what is
the team that wants to just come? Here and, like
he could be semi interesting In. Brooklyn that gets fascinating,
though because if You're brooklyn and you really want, him
why do you want to do his side and trade
with The? Warriors if you just had the money to
sign him out, right wouldn't you rather try and poach?
Him and if it's a, no then you've just added
on to The warriors, books like we've Seen Sean marx
do that in the past with with other free. Agents
he could make sense In, brooklyn, THOUGH i don't know
where ELSE i would really like to just if, you
if you told me the bigger thing is that he
would shoot like five threes a game and hit them
at a thirty six percent, Clip i'd come up with
a big list for. You but BECAUSE i don't know
that he can do, THAT i, LIKE i don't know
which teams would be that interested in.
Speaker 3: Him, okay so there might be, one and it's only
Because Patrick williams has been so. Disappointing but that's probably
Not i'm not even kidding.
Speaker 1: HERE i Think Pat williams back To Golden.
Speaker 2: State, well so think about.
Speaker 3: This pat isn't necessarily a guy who fits in with
This Chicago bulls. Team he doesn't really attack the rim
all that. Much The bulls aren't necessarily the grace the
best developmental. Plays if you're The, warriors like you could
probably even squeeze more out of this whole thing if
you were to somehow engage in some sort not, now,
no not in the, summer but maybe like next year's
straight deadline Kuminga Patrick williams, something Because pat at the
very least can still space the floor at a higher
degree Than Jonathan.
Speaker 2: Kumenka this we agree.
Speaker 1: On sure do you want maybe there with Modest busellis
though is That.
Speaker 3: It's that's where it gets, tricky right BECAUSE i Think
busillis is a better shooter than what his reputation. Is
he dramatically improved this. YEAR i think he was so
much better as a shooter than we all thought he would.
Be the question is is it? Sustainable because we've only
seen like one. Year we have one year of data
from mas As. Bussilis that's what we. Have we don't
know more than. That so that's Why i'm also, saying
look next year's trade, deadline so Like, dubs keep him
for now at a reasonable deal also so you avoid
the base year. Compensation just keep, him then figure it
out at the trade deadline next. Year but that would
at least be interesting to. ME i, MEAN i do
think that is a team that could use a little
bit more athletic rim running juice than what they. HAVE i, mean,
Yes busilis does, that but who else really does?
Speaker 1: That you know WHAT i? Mean maybe you could just
down eyes and play them together without vouch in those
lines after the, look you could you could. WORK i
don't know if The warriors want, you you could figure
out a sign and trade With kminga that brings Back.
Vouch is that? Enough are? You and then Because i'm The, bulls,
like if that's what it's, Costing i'm not giving up
a first round, picker but is that? Enough as, though
like we're Moving Jonathan kminga For.
Speaker 3: VOUCH i that's THAT'S i have no idea that was
actually that was considered at one, point not not, necessarily
but but that was. RUMORED i think like that was
the thing that came out before the deadline where because
obviously The vouch rumors To chicago were, apparent And kuminga's
name came up a couple of, times But i'm not
sure it was like in super serious like capacity or,
whatnot but it did come up here and. THERE i
do think that the lines of communication there are. OPEN
i also think The warriors would be motivated to make a, Deal, like,
look let's be real about. This there's a reason why
The spurs and The kings went back to The. Bulls
well during the trade. War, NO i, mean, look they saw.
Speaker 1: That that's your. ETHOS i respect.
Speaker 3: It, well, WELL i mean it's not, wrong it's it's not.
Wrong they went back to that, well because they they've
been they tried it before and the water tasted good
and they could squeeze it once more and they did
and it.
Speaker 2: Worked so LIKE i, mean.
Speaker 1: It did.
Speaker 3: Likewise, Buddy but like, look IT'S i THINK i do
think that that's a fair. THING i do think teams
call up bad teams and bad managements and, go, hey
guys want to, talk and, look if The warriors find
themselves in a, pickle perhaps The bulls could be the
way to unpickle. It AND i do think The bulls
would get a player who could spread his wings a
little bit more there than he could In Golden. State
SO i actually don't think it would be the worst
fit in the. World it just it has to be
an offense that's just really geared around threes and where
you know you don't.
Speaker 2: Win, now, guys, right what about you.
Speaker 1: Know what could be semi? Interesting, Yes utah FOR jk
just because he could fit With. LOWRY i, mean if you,
WANT i, mean if The warriors want to give up
more stuff and Get lowry market. In but that's the
money there gets all sorts OF i don't think you
could even work it without Including Draymond green as part
of it when you're looking at their cause you Have,
YEAH i don't like Unless utah is gonna pay coming
to the max and then you're Throwing moody and, healed
you could maybe work. It But utah just not the
best fit With. Kessler but Because lowry can shoot the
three the way that sants The bah kind of, plays
he'd be a terrible, fit probably next To collier right.
Now but that's someone who could generate his own shot
for multiple levels in. Theory and you HAVE i would,
say like you have some lower leverage first round picks,
still but like if you're The, warriors you're probably more
focused on getting players. Back at the same, time if
it's a sign in, trade you might need to settle
just giving the base your compensation. Thing, okay picks and
some modest salary we can reroute into something else. LATER i.
Do you did talk me Into chicago being, interesting BUT
i just The bulls can't even Be, like if you're The,
warriors what do you actually want out of The? Bulls?
Right even if it's not a great Deadline vuoch And Lonzo,
BALL i guess like that kind of, Interesting but, YEAH
i don't know that you're then you're waiting On, december
and so isn't there a chance that his value goes
sideways between now and?
Speaker 2: THEN i, mean, yeah it could.
Speaker 3: BE i MEAN i just, HONESTLY i just don't think
the right approach right, now regardless we're just looking at
this From Golden state's. PERSPECTIVE i just don't think the
sign and trade is smart in any stretch right, now.
Speaker 2: Just like luck him, up even if it's a two year.
DEAL i.
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't give a damn and then figure it
out at the trade deadline, instead because if you start
dealing with sign and, trades you're hardcapping. Yourself you're putting
yourself in. Handcuffs it makes no. Sense just they.
Speaker 1: Should be, fine just because it's only the team that
acquires the player in the sign and trade that's going
to get hard.
Speaker 3: Capped, well it depends on what they get. Back like
you can Do. Muli you can, again you can do
multiple signce, trades right, like unless they want something someone
who's like.
Speaker 1: Then you, also, yeah SO i the base your conversation
makes it so confusing because they are going to take
back less money than they're sending, Out so you don't
have to worry, about, oh we're hard capped at this apron,
Necessarily but you're right THAT i think logistically assigning trades
unless it's To. Brooklyn but what is let's just let's right,
Now brooklyn Or detroit is like really the only feasible,
Example and what are those? TEAMS i don't. THINK i
don't like comming In, detroit like in transition could be
kind of fun if Wise harris Isn't like if you
if you're still invested IN ja And, ivy you have
A Sr Thompson Ron HOLLAND i don't Want johnathan anywhere near.
That so if It's, brooklyn what do you, want Like
Cam johnson that might be, Something but The warriors got
to be the team probably sending out more in that.
Speaker 2: Equation that's a lot of spacing to give up for
not a lot of.
Speaker 1: Spacing, Yes per this WILL i don't know if you'll get,
this But per grants proprietary, metrics which he has finally
given me access to his, DATABASE i can confirm That
mordi is. Right that is giving, up if You're, brooklyn
a lot of floor spacing for not a lot of force, basing, Right.
Speaker 2: And that's that's really the.
Speaker 3: Issue it's funny how THE nba has changed so much
now that that just one week this that is perimeter
oriented just kind of snowballsh you into hell from a
trade value.
Speaker 1: Perspective but like, YOU i will, say In Jonathan kaminga's,
defense SINCE i know, him lower on, him he's had
some pretty high extended stretches and then it's he's not
had and this IS i think it's a majority of his.
Fault but also The warriors have not given him like
this consistent, role like he's just been kind of an
injuries have now been a part of that been twisted
around personnel, changes seeing the ground shift beneath. Him so
maybe In brooklyn just with consistent, run or just on
another team with more consistent. Run AND i guess kind
of put a ball on. This this IS i have
the beholder stuff who says this all the, Time is
It brian Windhors it only takes one. Team they set the,
market and so there could be a team that comes in.
Here BUT i do THINK i think the point you
made the most salient because of the way the salary
cap landscape is this summer a sign and trade almost
feels if it's not. Prohibitive it's super, complicated and if
you can make, IT i feel like you'll be, Prioritizing,
oh we don't want this contract on our, books and
so you're not accepting as much as maybe you would.
Prefer and So i'm probably trying to roll the dice
and squeeze him in free agency so that oh he wanted,
thirty did he end up getting twenty or less or?
Something and then that would ensure that he should never
be this tough to move, contract because if You Jonathan
kuming at four years and one hundred, MILLION i don't
think that's as ready removable if he's playing like the
way he closed the season as many people would would
think it.
Speaker 3: Is i'm wondering out loud here could The Oklahoma city
Thunder no be trying to squeeze him in?
Speaker 2: There, like could we know.
Speaker 1: If they need someone who's either going to be a
higher volume shooter or if they want like someone who
could generate their Own. No If i'm not thinking he
could be No no, again he might have a way
From Oklahoma. City that team is not, perfect but it's
close to, it And Jonathan comming is he's gonna come
In maybe butcher their spacing a little bit be a,
like is he could be more of a sort of.
Speaker 2: If he plays With? Chad is he really butchering that? Spacing?
Speaker 1: Okay is he gonna do you trust him to be
part of just like the drive and kick stuff with?
Them is that something you believe that he could? Do
or is he gonna monopolize possessions make?
Speaker 3: Them maybe maybe you need him to monopolized possessions in
the second, unit maybe you actually need someone who's just
constantly active around the, rims who's constantly a lot of,
thread someone who can come in and sort of be
a little bit of an insurance.
Speaker 2: Policy they have the deals coming out, there.
Speaker 1: So you're looking at what you, get some combination or
only one Of Isaiah, Joe Aaron wiggins or Lou dort.
Speaker 3: For it doesn't have to be now, RIGHT i mean
he could be at the trade, deadline like it depends
on how guys are. LOOKING i hate it, STILL i
hate fair enough or do you hate it because it's
the rich getting?
Speaker 2: Richer?
Speaker 1: Though, UH i think it's more along the lines of
The Oklahoma city making an uncharacteristically bad, decision is WHAT
i would characterize.
Speaker 2: It it depends on what they're giving up, though, right, YEAH.
Speaker 1: I mean if you're giving Up, ISAIAH i MEAN i
really LIKE.
Speaker 3: I SAID i do, so but don't don't get go.
THERE i, mean, look but.
Speaker 1: Why it depends on the price point because you have
The chet And JDub extensions, here and you Have heart
And steine on the books for at least in other.
YEARS i don't love. IT i thought About phoenix as
they're kind OF i don't know what the hell they're,
doing but IT'S i mean you talk about there has
to be like eight teams involved to try to make
like that salary cap math. Work It's i'll be curious
to see what his number comes. OUT i would say
the market Favors Golden state squeezing, him but we also
know it only takes one, team and that some teams
just don't like even if there doesn't seem like a
market out, there like these guys still get. Paid And
john Think, aminga to his, credit is a very talented.
Player like the physical tools are all there all.
Speaker 3: Right last Spot and it's Again i'm not penciling him
him as a starter or, anything but, like would there
be some level of interest From memphis when It's TRIPLE
j at center where he's a four spacer and you
Have comin and there just kind of roman maybe if.
Speaker 1: You think that The kaminga can also defend because they
really need like a wing guy there even With Gg,
Jackson Vince williams And Jalen wells that its injury is a, bummer,
RIGHT i WOULD i would be worried with what does
the rebounding look? Like Triple TRIPLE j just had more
turnovers than defensive rebounds In game one against The.
Speaker 2: Thunder that's the issue that's always been the issue With TRIPLE. J,
RIGHT i mean that's it is so, hard so does
to find like a proper landing spot for this?
Speaker 1: Guy you don't be funny is If memphis cheaps out
through all this and then The warriors like IT'S jk
other salary and, stuff and they're trading For Jared Jackson
junior Because memphis doesn't want to foot the bill for
his next.
Speaker 2: Game, yeah you.
Speaker 1: Can with what he's making right, now you could make
that deal work, Financially oh. EASILY i don't think The
warriors will come close to having the best offer. Though
If jackson was on the, Table i'm Just i'm just
saying that's a if you threw EVERY i don't know
if it have to be every pick Like Jonathan minga's,
salary you'd have other money to make it. Work and then.
Picks i'm The. Warriors i'm probably you run into a
lot of the same. Issues but could you Mention dramondreine
And Jaron Jackson junior on the same?
Speaker 2: Team that'd be.
Speaker 3: FUN i do THINK i do have this suspicion THAT
jjj is kind of reserved for another team In, california.
Speaker 1: Which one The. Kings, YEAH i was.
Speaker 2: Thinking lakers, probably but fair. Enough.
Speaker 1: Yep how how are they Getting how are The lakers
Getting Jaron Jackson?
Speaker 2: Jr how did The lakers Get Luka Dantic they Don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah but they don't Have Anthony.
Speaker 2: Davis the trade.
Speaker 1: Mate, no that is.
Speaker 2: True, No i'm.
Speaker 3: KIDDING i mean, again so it would have to be
one of those situations where a pig is going to
get freed up By, july and if you wait until
the trade, headline you can probably still move some pieces.
Speaker 1: Around here's here's a fun question and.
Speaker 2: Connect, okay, ye.
Speaker 1: Look you're not GETTING i don't think that the can't
you can't talk to me to The lakers having A
bible package For i'd be shocked if The grizlies want
to Move Jaron Jackson. Junior i'm going to have a
lot of questions about where that organization is.
Speaker 3: Head, well, again it, depends like obviously it's it only
happens if The grizzlies And Jaron jackson are Like, nope Like,
Hill we're.
Speaker 1: Done he's going to qualify for the Super max. Eligibility
i'd be pretty floored if he doesn't make An ALL nba.
Speaker 2: Team, yeah but just because he's, eligible do you want
to pay him that?
Speaker 1: MONEY i probably don't like that the full boat of the.
Deal but you don't have to give the full boat,
either and they do have they could renegotiate and extend him.
Too they might not even need the Super max. ELIGIBILITY
i one wanted to ask, you, yeah because we probably
unless you have another, team because it's probably.
Speaker 3: NO i have a question on that, note by the,
way BECAUSE i do know that you can exceed the
one hundred and forty percent on A, Supermax but can
you like if the player is Super max? Eligible but
you said something interesting. THERE i was under the impression
that you can only surpass the one hundred and forty
percent veteran extension limits if the guy actually accepts the,
supermax like actually signs the, max that you can't get
him at a lower. Rate if that's, true that changes
the dynamics a little.
Speaker 1: Bit well it. Didn't Did jazz Sign Rudy gobert to
not the supermax using that same like him qualifying for?
It he didn't get the.
Speaker 2: Phoe, GOD i don't.
Speaker 3: Remember, okay, INTERESTING i need to read up on, that
because THEN i missed something BECAUSE i if you can do,
that that changes the name of the game From memphis.
DRAMATICALLY i was under the assumption and you could only
exceed the one and forty percent if the guy actually
signed the, supermax And i'm just, like, no you should
not Sign Jared Jackson junior to the supermax. Whatsoever so
that's actually a bit of a lucky break From memphis
if he, qualifies because if they can get him for
more money than he's earning now but below The supermax
because it's just, eligible and that gives them that, right
that's a bullet dodged if you ask.
Speaker 1: Me that's a really good question BECAUSE i was convinced
that you, could and now you're making me, SAY i
can guess That i'll probably to look that up After
but so.
Speaker 2: Where Is keith when you need?
Speaker 1: Him who's more likely to not be on their team
at the start of next, Season Shrey young Or Jonathan.
Speaker 2: Kaminga, JONATHANMINGA i mean makes.
Speaker 1: Sense because he's the free. Agent but they also just
had this front office turnover In, Atlanta.
Speaker 3: So, yeah perhaps they gets traded or moved on to
someone else on the same day and we'll never.
Speaker 1: Know or for each other or more for each. Other,
yeah why not our next item? THAT i, MEAN i
didn't necessarily want to hit. This i'm just tired talking about. This.
Dude Nico harrison had a not so secret press conference this.
Time biggest takeaways from THE i didn't watch. IT i
saw the comments coming away from. It he didn't Realize
Luka dancic was this important to The maps fan. Base
the plan is also to win enough so that fans
forget and understand the. Logic is that even? Possible is my?
Question and then says critics of the return do not
really have a firm hode hold on the value Of Anthony.
DAVIS i don't know where you want to take this
THE i think it doesn't surprise me that A. C
sweeter is out of touch with the. Consumer so him
not understanding how much fan, base how much the fan
base was attached To, dancic does not surprise me at.
All my whole thing with the. Winning let's say The
mavericks won a title this. Year they, Can't they're already.
OUT i want to be. Clear they can win a
title this, year they goin to title next, year and
there's just still a chance that they lose that trade
because they've shrunk their. Window Like Luka dancich was your,
ticket and if he wasn't gonna pan, out he still
was worth rolling like he was the dice roll if
in so far as he's even a dice roll Of oh,
no this is the next ten years of our. Franchise
knowing they're going to be, competitive you don't just based
on sheer, age never mind the gap between their. Talent
you're not gonna get that with An Anthony Davis kyrie irving.
Speaker 3: Window Oh, God so you're saying that they might have,
lost they might still lose the.
Speaker 2: Trade if they actually won a, title.
Speaker 1: You could say that's, yeah isn't. It it's unique in
the sense THAT i know a lot of people saying
winning a championship means you never have to, apologize and it's.
RIGHT i, mean when you comes at the expense of
a generational superstar who might win multiple championships down the,
line you might have to still.
Speaker 2: Sure but that's. Theoretical here's What i'll.
Speaker 3: Say they would have won the trade from a competitive
perspective if they won a, championship but they regardless would
still have lost the trade from an emotional perspective because no,
one not a single, fan would have preferred winning a
title like, that and how you win a title is
almost equally as important as actually winning.
Speaker 1: It, YES i. Do that's also fair, too BECAUSE i
think there's a lot of And Kirk henderson wrote a
great piece at THIS i think it was At MAV's
moneyball after the trade.
Speaker 3: About not by the, Way i'm sorry to. DRUG i
just gotta Say kirk has been slain it. RECENTLY i,
mean oh my, god just so. Good so his content
has been. Fantastic he's been so upset AND i love.
It stay, Upset.
Speaker 1: Kurt it's and his point was winning with your own
guy matters, Too AND i totally get, That like there's
a lot of convoluted layers to, fandom and, Sure i'm
mas FANS i think would bask in a championship Without Luka,
Doncic but you're, right it's the it's the reverse logic OF.
KD i hate talking about, legacies But katie winning a
title with The warriors doesn't mean the same as if
he would have won it In Oklahoma. City So i'm
not not trying to get into the.
Speaker 2: Legacy Broun miami cland, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: My, well yeah what means? More lebron's two titles In
miami his title In Los angeles are the one title
he had In. Cleveland's that's not even. Close so he
missed the mark. There AND i take exception to you,
know and you should get into this because you said
something before recorded The Anty davis. Stuff is no one's
Saying Anty davis is a bad, player that he's not a.
Superstar he's just and it's not even about him necessarily
being not as good As. Lukadancic the problem here is
that if you were going to Trade, lukadancic AND i
want to reiterate THAT i would not have, done so
you don't pivot into an inherently shorter window as the,
result there's no player in the league WHERE i get
short Of jokic where it would have been worth because
And shay's, Younger so that's Why i'm not using him
as an. Example you trade For, jokic you're probably shortening
your window a little bit because he's, Thirty but you
do it because It's. Jokic that was the only player
where that type of logic would have made sense to.
Speaker 2: Me, yeah so here's the.
Speaker 3: Thing if you were determined to get off Of, lukadancic all, right,
fine that's that's your. Right like you, have you have his,
rights you can trade. Him he is trade eligible for
you to trade him For Anthony davis and only a
single first round draft. Pick AND i Guess Max christie
would like let's relax on The Max christie. Hype like
that doubt died down pretty soon as. Well, well it's
So Nico harrison said. This if you don't Value ad
as an ALL nba, player an all defensive, player then
you're not going to like the trade we TARGETED. Ad
but if you don't like, him then there's nothing else
we get that's going to make you excited about the.
Trade you know what that? Is that is Throwing Anthony
davis under the. Bus that is actually taking your newly
acquired superstar and throwing him head first under the largest
vehicle that you can, find because you are creating such
a warped and false narrative, here, like, look if this
has nothing to do With Anthony, davis The, MAVs you're.
Sorry mass fans have no issue With Anthony. Davis when
he was. Introduced they didn't boo. Him they booed the
trade when they did, boo and a lot of people
clapped out of respect For Anthony. Davis it's not An
Anthony davis. Issue i've seen hundreds Of MAVs fans basically
echo that sentiment and, say, look we Love Anthony. Davis,
well hope he's gonna play, well but, like that's not the.
Point my issue here is you just failed to recognize
the trade value of the outgoing. Piece and what gets
me even more is How Nico harrison basically said he
didn't want anything to leak because that would have hurt. Negotiations,
dude if things had, leaked you had gotten a better
trade offer than what you ended up, accepting like this
is negotiation one oh one and you utterly failed at.
It it is such a preposterously bad thought out trade
that you can try to spin this as much as you,
want and like right now he's spinning Like Anthony edwards
in the, post like an up and down and it's
he's going. Nowhere it's just such a bad way to do,
this like throwing every every player you basically traded her
under the bus and then talking to the fan base
as if they're complete fucking, idiots.
Speaker 2: Like what are you.
Speaker 3: Doing you're alienating the few remaining mass fans around right.
Now it's just it's NOT i, mean, look it's so.
Speaker 2: Bad it's so.
Speaker 1: Bad and to your point about leaking, IT i understand
the thought process of we didn't want it to have
this impact adverse impact on the. Team but then like
when you're kind of in the red zone here of trade,
talks that's when you let it leak because you know
it's gonna come together quickly and you see if an
offer comes in that BEATS i think the issue here
was that and he said, this they laser in On Anthony.
Davis there are reports that they called About Anthony. Edwards
and we're not even sure if The timberwolves knew they
were Offering Luka donciic for. Him, correct we know they
called About, giannis so it's not like they didn't do
any due. Diligence but you decided you were going to
Trade Luka doncic in the name of improving your championship,
chances and that's your short term championship, chances and that
is probably it's one of the Biggest cardinals, sins like
being out of touch what the fan base would, think
and definitely being out of touch with the. Scenes how
Good Luka doncic is on the basketball, court for, sure
but you made the wrong decision for. You you took
the wrong approach from the. Jump not forget about the,
leakouts it's you prioritized improving your team in the short
term Without. Lukadancis that's not that doesn't go, that that's,
counterintuitive beyond.
Speaker 3: Measure it's all it, all, Reeks and quite, frankly it's
amazing to me how we also seem to broader, wise
like you AND i have talked about a, plenty and
like the BROADER nba poddle spheres talked about a, Plenty
but like, NATIONALLY i don't even think it's gotten enough
publicity That Quentin grimes is also bawling out In philly
like you have completely lost out on the entire trade,
deadline the entire offseason already more or less like every
like positive asset that you had is being appreciated far
more elsewhere now than what you. Had it's do you
THINK i don't even know where they go from?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 1: No, Sorry that's WHAT i was gonna ask you is
do you think what's interesting IS i think this is a.
Quote do you Think kyrie's gonna extend or opt in
and extend or decline his player option and sign a
new deal because of the injury OR i don't have
any idea either If i'm The, mavericks unless he's given
me a like a huge, Discount i'm. Not i'm not
doing the op let him opt in, shore But i'm
not giving him. This it's he's he's a little, older
he has to come back from a serious. INJURY i
think the bigger question this does tie, into, well how
much do they Pay kyrie if he opts in and
extends or opts? Out there was the. QUOTE i can't
remember which story where the reporting came. From but a
rival executive, said there's a DESPERATE gm out there In Nico.
Harrison that's good for the rest of. Us do you
expect him to try and like throw good money after
bad and where it's, Like, Oh i'm gonna try in
Because I've i'm now tethered to this That i'm going
to now make ANOTHER i don't know if it's a
controversial decision or just to you, know they've been mentioned, as,
oh would they go After Kevin, Durreant like do you
expect them to try and make more huge, splashes which
in the wake of The kyrie injury to where his
timeline Is january Or february of next year of him coming,
back that's, like what is the type of player you're?
Targeting if you go after a floor general, type what
does that mean For kyrie when you come? Back, yeah
he played Alongside lukadancic Someone Luka doncic's size doesn't grow on,
trees so you're probably if you're prioritizing, playmaking you're probably
going to be. Smaller do you even have the ammunition
to go get A Kevin durant who's bigger but he's
not the level of playmaker that you might.
Speaker 3: Need so to answer your initial, Question Nico harrison is
a human. Being he's going to feel the. Pressure he
has literally millions of people who hate him and are
calling for his. Head there have been more negative articles
written About Nico harrison over the past two months THAN
i think he would ever have imagined over the course
of his, life over the course of his. Career if
we're looking at this, objectively every single person who's under,
duress under, stress WHICH i have to assume mentally he,
is would be terrified of pulling like the next, trade
just be terrified of doing. It So i'm assuming he's
gonna play it as safe as he possibly can over
the next like six, months and if he goes into
the summer guns a, blazing all, right THEN i have
no idea like what his mental state is BECAUSE i
just don't, think, like where do you go from? Here
you don't know the future Of. Kyrie by the, way,
side note It's Kyrie. Irving he's sort, of you, know
an odd. Guy sometimes are we shutting the door on?
Him basically Saying i'm not going to pick up my
player option like this dude plays by his own. Rules
i'm not saying like lots would be fascinate does well
BECAUSE i mean technically working out a sign and trade
with him is easier because you're not going to run
into the base year of compensation. Issue if there's a
team that's like not good right now or not sure
whether the yeah we're fine With kyrie not Being kyrie
next season THAT i don't know who that team, is
but that would be THAT i had not considered, that
what what If? Kyrie what If kyrie himself is actually
so pissed at how they did things like LOOK nba
Players brockley and we've seen this online for a long
time now with the past couple of, months are pissed
at how The mavericks Threw luca under the bus like.
Speaker 2: This i've seen.
Speaker 3: This but are we sure That kyrie is, like, oh,
yeah you know, What i'm not interested in going into
a sign and. Trade i'm just gonna decline my player
option and sign somewhere.
Speaker 2: Else Like I'm i'm not even closing the door on.
THAT i won't close the.
Speaker 1: DOOR i guess the chaos agent in me would even
root for such a. THING i. AM i Am kyrie'
is also a smart business man when it comes to
what he's made with his contract. DECISIONS i would think
he has a ton of leverage over The mavericks because
of The lukadancis, trade just knowing what they even if
they pay him less than he had initially, WANTED i think, it's,
OH i can lock down this money. Now and the
other thing, too is we know that he is has
a pretty good relationship With Nico, harrison and we know
that him And Anthony davis have wanted to play, together,
Correct SO i think they have that work in the.
Speaker 3: Favor but do we know that relationship is so good?
Though that's the.
Speaker 1: Thing i'm sure that would be a More and if
You're i'm rooting for you to be right, now because
that would just be hysterical that he just he opts
out and. LEAVES i would have felt when you're looking
at the cap space climate and the fact That kyrie
isn't going to play Until january Or, FEBRUARY i would
have felt that that scenario is way more likely had
he never gotten, injured, Right but because he got, INJURED
i would Be i'd be kind of floored if he
wasn't still In dallas next, year is my.
Speaker 3: Point, No and, LOOK i agree with. You that's that's
what logic. DICTATES i am just SAYING i want to
throw that out. There, LISTEN i really hope that would.
Speaker 2: Be.
Speaker 1: SO i think even him opting out might catch a
lot and not, Knowing, okay they, expect like the reporting
would Be kyrie eering is opted, out but it's overwhelmingly
expected that he's going to sign a long term deal
with the. Me it would cause a lot of uproar
if he just opted out and that wasn't the words, like,
yeah he opted out and he's ready to look.
Speaker 3: Around, look you, know you know, what just be absolute hell.
Fire kyrie opts, out he, says, hey he he opts,
out and he just he Calls lebron and Calls luca
and he goes and, remember like, You i've played for
both of. YOU i know you guys pretty. Well i've
been linked to The lakers for a while. Now got
the non tax emily ready for me for this?
Speaker 2: Year who's? That?
Speaker 1: Like who's so we're just gonna?
Speaker 2: Have are you ready for? You and for the? Playoffs?
Speaker 1: BABY i DON'T i guess you would have to do?
That but then how are you getting a Center. Austin
that would be so. WEIRD i can't we ventured too
far afield, HERE i.
Speaker 3: SEE i don't think WE i don't think we've gone
deep enough BECAUSE i would love. SOMETHING i want this
roster to absolutely.
Speaker 1: Implode, well what about this this? Option what If memphis
decides we're gonna be okay with having like a gap year,
type but we want to get out of The Ja
moran business and they decided they're really gonna juce the
odds of next year's, pick and you Put jamran on
the table and see if The MAVs would give You
kyrie and maybe other things attached to.
Speaker 2: Him all, right so It's John.
Speaker 3: Moran Anthony davis Played Thompson Nashi marshall as your top
Four Washington Joe.
Speaker 2: WASHINGTON I.
Speaker 1: I THINK i would look at trade for everybody.
Speaker 3: INVOLVED i would, sue but it's not chaos, Enough. DAN
i want this thing to, properly properly. IMPLODE i want
actually explode in his face more or less JUST i
want this to go bad because the way he handled
business this, way the way he just threw a guy
under the bus for months on end and then, no,
NO i need all the humor we can find in.
Speaker 2: THIS i need the chaos to not end for a.
Speaker 1: While let's move on to another organization that has no
idea what it's. Doing The New Orleans pelicans Fired David.
Griffin they Hired Joe dumars to replace him after an
exhaustive search that lasted minutes at least Multiple David griffin
reportedly wanted to fire head Coach Willy, green But Jale
benson is not about that life, apparently so he did
not Fire Willie, green and he got fired. Himself benson
said didn't or not that she thought long and hard
about Hiring Joe, Dumars BUT i guess it was Only
joe New bars because no one else. Was it seems
like they even considered her interviewed for. This by the,
way mutual Friend Schmidt dua of the in the no
podcast and substack the reporting and the response to. This
so make sure You're Schmidt, dua go Check fear The
brown on all his socials spelled exactly as it. Sounds
absolutely killed it with the intel on this. One other
stipulations of. This so we think That Joe dumars has
to Keep Willy, green which MAY i don't actually have
a huge problem With Willy green because of all the
injuries that have taken Place New. ORLEANS i do think
that he probably hasn't coaxed enough three point volume out
of them even when they're at their. Best but it's
NEVER i would, argue it's never a good harbinger when
you hire an executive with the stipulation that the head
coach in place has to be. Kept it's just very.
Rarely the other part of this is the initial reporting
suggested That dumars would have to Trade, zion that they
would have to That, pelicans aside from the, injuries are
not happy with stuff that's going on off the. Court,
however this apparently isn't a done. Deal Joe dumars is
gonna work on his relationship and see where his Z
ion is. At moret what do you make of all?
This what direction should they go? In and does the
draft lottery is? This is that gonna have any impact
on what they can or should?
Speaker 3: DO i, mean, yeah, oh, look draft lottery results always
impacts the direction you're going in my. Opinion, look if,
again it's it's The wempy, theory right, like even regardless
of where.
Speaker 2: You are in your.
Speaker 3: Rebuild if you win a wimpy, draft for, example you
start from like you you reset the entire. Clock so
it depends where The pelicans are going to land this.
Year are they going to be in a position to
draft a guy that warrants a reset of the. Clock if,
SO i think that's it's easier to swallow trading a
sigh On williamson and basically saying all, right we're just
going to start all over, again and that that might
tire out the fan base a little bit unjustifiably, so
but at least they can get behind a young guy
who has perhaps ALL nba potential or whatever who it.
Is so, so, YES i do think a lot of
results will impact the direction. Absolutely that, said are do
we trust That Joe dumars is the right man for the?
JOB i, MEAN i know the league loved him in
what he did for them for many.
Speaker 2: Years that's.
Speaker 1: Cool architect of That pistons team and then also also
the architect of those Subsequent, pistons.
Speaker 3: Right see the thing about the twenty two thousand and
Four pistons seems that they were an. Outlier THAT'S i,
understand AND i appreciate that he won that championship with
them as the lead. Architect but we just have to
come to terms With they're constantly brought up as the
exception that confirms the rule of you, know you need
a superstar to, Win like that team is the most
odd ball team of players to potentially ever win a.
Championship so it's, like what kind of mentality is going
to go into this thing. With is he going to
go in and, thinking, hey you know, what this is
nineteen eighty nine and defense can still win the championship
even if you're ranked like twenty fifth? Offensively is that a?
Mentality is he going to come in with like a
new age approach to? THINGS i have no. Idea so,
like While i'm not out on A Joe dumar is coming,
IN i do think the search that, lasted you, know
seconds at. Least, Look i'm just gonna say, this, Man
i'm just gonna you AND i are. BUDS i CAN
i can say, this but LIKE i last in bed
longer than they do in this.
Speaker 2: Search like That's that's Where i'm, at you.
Speaker 1: Know John honer said, this this is just a farce
of an. Organization at this, Point i've typically given them
a little bit more, credence AND i THINK i understood
a lot of their vision AND i was higher on
them if they could stay at full, strength and a
lot of other people this is just it's a sham
of an. Organization like, what it really sucks for the
fans that are. There and the other thing here too
is what whatever direction they choose is likely going to
be the wrong. One and you also know that even
if they Keep, zion what is their plan to get?
BETTER i guess they bring in their draft, pick and
then they're gonna hope THAT i guess To Jantay murray
will eventually get. Healthy you get more development From Trey
murphy because this is a team that's gonna go spend
on acquiring more talent via. Trade they have like twelve
million under the luxury tax next year as of, now
and they're not a team that's gonna pay the. Tax
so we kind of know. That and then if you
go and you Trade, zion it's but you're not trading
him at the peak of his value anyway because of
the health, stuff even though when he has been healthy
he's played exceptionally. Well and you've also this isn't necessarily their.
Fault if they're off court, issues but people know now
that you want to trade him or that his standing
there just isn't on firm. GROUND i just don't know
the team that's. Good, like there are a ton of
teams THAT i it'd be interesting to see him On.
Portland utah would be one of. THEM i actually wouldn't
even hate San. ANTONIO i KNOW i was talking about
spacing Around. Wemby you could throw him on a bunch
of teams and be. Interesting, BROOKLYN i just what are
you gonna get in His zion? Trade AND i also
like there doesn't because of the way his contract is
set up. THERE i don't think there needs to be
a rush to be, no we need to get rid
of this guy unless he's submarining the culture of everyone involved.
Somehow this is more of an organizational issue than anything
else to, me.
Speaker 3: Right and that is definitely the issue at, HAND i,
think because, yeah you can talk about all the things
That doumores is going to, add but if you didn't
have an exhaustive, search if you don't didn't go out
and play the field and figure, out like what direction
do we want to go? In it seemed like you
had this guy lined up for a long, time which
also means that Keeping David griffin around for so long
and even having having go through a trade deadline trade Brandon.
Speaker 1: Ingram, also it's just like that was a not insignificant.
Move we knew it was, inevitable but you had him
make that. Decision you allowed him to make the De
Jon Dee murray trade over the.
Speaker 3: Summer, yep it's it's, egregious is what it. IS i
don't know where The pelicans go from.
Speaker 2: Here long story, SHORT i just we're a podcast with.
Speaker 1: Answers we have no.
Speaker 3: Idea yeah, No but like, again it depends on the
relationship apparently between Doo mars And, Zion, right if that goes,
WELL i assume they're not going to make a big.
Deal i'm assuming they're going to keep him. Around, like
what do you do then you move stuff around The?
Margins can you really do?
Speaker 2: That not? Really, Like, okay what can you get for Herb?
Speaker 3: Jones can you get something that's substantially better fit in that?
Speaker 2: System if you? Can? Cool but do we trust this
team to do? THAT i don't know the entry to.
Speaker 3: That i'm very underwhelmed by what they've done so far
in the offseason interesting in their, offseason just in terms
of like the leadership. Changes we brought Up Willy green
as a guy who could be on the hot. Seat
seems like he's, safe which good On. WILLIE i don't.
Speaker 2: Have any good for him, him LIKE i don't.
Speaker 3: HAVE i don't have anything bad to say About Willy,
green Like i's he's. FINE i DO i think that
this is GONNA i. DO i think he's on this
team as the head coach in twelve, months not necessarily,
because like you said at the, top when someone comes in,
with you, know a new managerial, team oughts are pretty
good that the current coach in hand is not going
to stay the course or stay or stay for the
rest of his. Contract so things are just getting. STARTED i.
Would i'm looking forward to seeing us having this conversation
in six, MONTHS i think.
Speaker 1: EVEN i, mean these things can move quickly, too to
where it's what If Joe dumars decide there's a better
head coach and wants to hire LIKE i just don't,
know BUT i guess he took the. Job one of
the guys Of Willie green is going to stay, There
so it feels like he'll be there at least to
start next, season will he finish? It is he gonna
be there in twenty? Six?
Speaker 2: That but that's so messed up to do those like.
Speaker 3: That that's WHY i never, like you know how when
teams also promise guys in the, draft, yeah oh if you're,
there that's just the dumbest thing you can ever, do
if you ask, me because like what if someone slips
and that guy's just there and you've made a, Promise
like because if you then break it and go with
the guy you actually, want then agents are gonna be absolutely, pissed,
Rightfully so you're gonna get a very bad reputation amongst
in the players juniors as.
Speaker 2: Well it's not gonna go well for.
Speaker 3: You, so, like if you take on this, job if
You're Joe dumars and the mandate, is, oh you got
to Keep Willie, green all, Right Mike malone just became.
Available you're gonna tell me That Mike malone wouldn't be
interesting to, you.
Speaker 1: Guy Michael, More Mike Michael Michael.
Speaker 2: Malone, Okay, OKAY i.
Speaker 1: Don't Michael malone for rebuilding rosters not, It SO i,
don't but LIKE i, DON'T i don't.
Speaker 3: Maybe not maybe, Not but, like if you if you Keep,
sion are you then officially?
Speaker 2: REBUILDING i don't, KNOW i.
Speaker 1: Mean you HAVE i don't know. YOU i guess the
idea would, be if you Have, zion the goal should
be to be really good as long as his health,
allows which you can't, guarantee but you also could. Rebuild
he's not super, old and it's, like what are, You,
like what are you committed to right? NOW i mean
The Herb jones, deal that's, fine The Trey murphy deal
still relatively. Young John murray is not even gonna be
ready to start next. SEASON i DON'T i don't know
what this team direction, is and it's. Tough it's obviously
tough to know how good they could be without seeing
what happens in the draft lottery and who they end up.
With they're just they're just sort of spinning their. Wheels
AND i think what's most ridiculous If Joe dumars was
hired and had the ability to change the coach and
make every redecision necessary or decide like, like apparently he
has the license to decide whether they Trade Zion. Williamson
he should have been given that same license With Willie,
green and if he determined That Willy green worked or
that he was willing to try and make it, work then,
Sure but to have it be a, stipulation IT'S i
don't think having to Move zion should have even Been
oh that needs to be a stipulation just because that's
going to be dictated by the. Market it's if you
can't get a good deal For Zion williams and you
don't just give someone who is as talented as he is, away, Right.
Speaker 3: YEAH i, MEAN i think we've set a record on
SAYING i don't know for a, team and it feels fitting,
honestly BECAUSE i have no. Clue the only THING i
do know is The pelicans fans are out on this whole.
Thing did you see just the reaction to The Joe
tumar's heart higher and it's all?
Speaker 1: Ugly, YEAH i saw. It it's they were not. Happy
they don't have a right to be. Happy just slap
dash like chittery right. THERE i don't know what it
just comes back, to like that's just Another there wasn't
a real search. Conducted it seems like ownership laser in
On dumars a while. Ago and if that was the,
case then make the decision a while. Ago but this
is just it's. Uninspiring it's just like the Best.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling a.
Speaker 3: LOT i feel like a lot of teams are becoming that,
now like lacy and, uninspiring AND i wonder what the
hell the reason. Is is it just ownership having too
much power in respective. ORGANIZATIONS i don't know the, answer
BUT i feel like we're seeing so often managerial teams
coaching staffs that come in and it's.
Speaker 2: Just everything is half. Hearted it's.
Speaker 1: Weird let's move on here since we don't know what they're.
Doing The Phoenix suns fired My. Puttinholzer James jones needs
a new? Contract are they gonna give him? One Is
Matters bia gonna try and install more of his own.
People Bradley beal reportedly could be bought out or waived
if they wave and stretch him at the money he has.
Remaining they will have twenty two point two million dollars
in dead money on their books for the next five,
seasons so through twenty twenty nine and thirty it'll be
less if you give money. Back but how much money
Is Bradley beal giving? Back that's gonna substantially look like
if you want to knock that down five million bucks
to seventeen point Two, Okay Bradley bill get back twenty
five million. Dollars let's say just want to do. That
seventeen point two million dollars in dead money is a
lot of. Money that's more than the non tax payer
mid level is probably gonna average over that. Span Kevin
durant trade is still considered. Inevitable Devin booker is not
going to be. Traded he is eligible for a two,
year one hundred and forty nine point eight million dollar,
extension which if he, signs that will bring the total
value of his contract to five years and three hundred
and twenty one. Million let's start with The, Bunholzer James,
Jones Matt ishbia of it. All what do you make
of just this whole dynamics still mort who was.
Speaker 2: Bad and it?
Speaker 3: HAPPENS i, MEAN i am honestly not one to point
but had some issues this. Year he also made some
calls where you're, like what the hell were you? Doing
BUT i don't think he's a bad. COACH i just.
DON'T i think this was just a bad situation for all.
AROUND i think they may have not aligned expectations the right.
WAY i think they just had a lot of heads
that kind of butted against each. Other so like it
didn't work. Out it's, Fine James jones in need of
a new. CONTRACT i If I'm Matt, ISSHBIA i would probably, say, Look,
james it's been, nice but it's, time which because.
Speaker 1: Sorry should have been, DONE i, guess because do you
think a long time anything that The sons have done
Since Matt ashbia took? Over what? Transaction Screamed James jones
on that based off how he assembled that Initial sons, Team, Right,
Yeah LIKE i don't. THINK i don't know if you
can say that this is new ownership syndrome in The sun's,
case BUT i really you think That James jones would
not have made The Kevin durant. Trade it was arguable
in the time where it's okay it Was Kevin. Durant
like they didn't negotiate any single aspect that they Let
brooklyn dictate all the. Terms and that's probably the cardinal.
Sin it's not The Bradley beal. Trade it's not even
necessarily what will be known as The Tamani kamara. Trade,
now it's not negotiating harder in The Kevin durant. Trade
and just because you understood the logic at the time
with the benefit of, hindsight that's not all that's at play.
Here it's no like it was questionable in real. TIME
a lot of people questioned. It even if you came
to the, decision, yeah it might work out because It's Kevin.
DURANT i just and then, LIKE i don't, Know i'm,
like what was the point of even Keeping James jones
around if this was the direction you were gonna, have
BECAUSE i don't think that the way the sons have conducted,
themselves unless maybe maybe he really campaigned For Mike bluenholzer
and that was his. PICK i don't. Know that just
Doesn't this just doesn't feel like he's had the same
level of control anyway since HIS shbia took. Over and
so what is and what was the point of dragging
it out to this?
Speaker 3: Point SO i WOULD i would get rid of him,
too start. Over but the problems at the top at
the end of the, day even if you do, replace
like if you Fire James jones and you replace him
with someone, Else, look if everything goes THROUGH mattshpia and,
also LIKE i say, It, thomas that's just that's the
thing that's been he's been a. Consultant then what good
are you going to get? Here like what are? You
how much are you going to change for the? Better
like genuinely asking.
Speaker 1: The thing that's, YEAH i don't know how much they're
going to. CHANGE i don't. KNOW i don't necessarily understand
the logic of waving and Stretching Bradley beale because like
seventeen million and, dead even if it's a part of a,
buyout like what would the number? Be like that's just
a pure cost cutting, move which is if you want
to make sure that you wigg over under the second,
Apron but what does that say about your? Future you're
not going to get better as part of A Kevin durant.
Trade AND i think you need to have some type
OF i don't want to say, uniform but in a
line to mindset to correctly Conduct Kevin durant, trade because
are you're gonna prioritize the team that might be giving
you stabs at the draft Pick? Apple not your own of,
course unless It's houston or players that come back that
immediately Help Devin booker AND i will Say i've seen
a lot of The sun's need to Trade Devin. Booker
if it's an if it's a matter of they can
get their picks back From, HOUSTON i. Understand if that's
presented to, them why you then make that. Move but
even if It's, houston you're not getting all your consecutive picks.
Back it would be control over this year's in twenty
seven and twenty nine, basically so it's not as easy
of a decision like you're still. Have you would still
have these pockets where how bad you are Without Devin,
booker because you will be pretty. Terrible it's not going
to pay. Off and then if you're moving him to
any other team But, houston you probably just shouldn't even
move him like you need to at least like Chip away,
More let's try and be competent for another year or
two so we could see a light at the end
of the tunnel to getting our own draft picks. Back
i've Just i've seen The Devin booker future framed as,
binary AND i understand to have that. Impulse and if
you can get your picks back From, HOUSTON i think
it's worth a. Discussion but that's not like this isn't
a no brainer decision With, kevin With kevin With Devin
booker specifically because of just you have no control over
your draft picks movie like non until twenty thirty.
Speaker 3: Two, NO i, AGREE i agree to round out The
Bradley beal. Thing If I'm Bradley beal And phoenix comes
to me and, like all, right buyout option, Whatever i'm
not giving a cent? Back not giving a? Cent why WOULD? I,
well you.
Speaker 1: Want IF i think if you believe that you can
recoup the, value and the team's gonna throw him like
the non taxpayer mid level your way giving up fifteen
million bucks or, something and then you know you're gonna
recoup that in one year maybe, two that might be
worth it to. Him BUT i don't think he's gonna
give them a twenty five million even seems like a
lot just to off five million dollars per year off their.
COMMITMENT i Would i'd probably be shocked if he gives
back that.
Speaker 3: Much, PERSONALLY i just think he should stick it through
and just say, no you know, what like if if
you want to buy me, out dude for the full,
amount because, like, again what has he got to? Loose, Here,
like is that is that contract not going to be
available to him when he hits the, market that the
non Tax emily.
Speaker 1: You're saying no one would give him the non tax, Paramentily.
Speaker 2: No, No i'm saying it is going to be available to.
Speaker 3: Him so why like if if you want to give
up that, money because, oh you can recoup.
Speaker 1: It but like he like he has more leverage here
than The. Suns but if you want to be on
a better, team and if you want to be in
a better, situation not be somewhere where you've become kind
of this the, scapegoat, really AND i think blame's being
dispersed the, court Like Mike bunholzer just lost his. Job but,
like if you want out of this situation so, BAD
i could see him giving back. SOMETHING i just even
if he, DOES i don't necessarily understand the logic from
The sun's, perspective BECAUSE I i as The Sun's if
he's not gonna wave his no trade, Clause i'd rather
just eat the next two years of the money rather
than have this thing drag out for the next half.
Speaker 3: DECADES i, AGREE i, agree but And i'm just trying
to look at it Through beal's, perspective because obviously he
has the power to just kind of cancel out his
his no trade claws if he wants, To, like he
doesn't have to trigger his, veto, right he can just.
Speaker 2: Say cool and Then i'm.
Speaker 3: Out the thing, is, though his trade value has just
torpedoed over the past couple of. Years like so as
a trade, option who the hell takes?
Speaker 1: HIM i THINK i think the deal is short enough
to where teams would take. Him it's will he wave
his no trade clause to go? There but WHO i,
Mean washington would take him back in a. Heartbeat i'm
sure if you're gonna give them a.
Speaker 3: Har, Okay so if if The wishards actually win the,
lottery for, example are we sure that's still the?
Speaker 1: CASE i still would be pretty shocked if they wouldn't take.
It if there because you're gonna get something to take
On Bradby. Beal and if The sun's justification is we'd
rather he's gonna agree to some type of buy album
wave and stretch him because we wanted to give up
money picks to get him, OFF i don't that's not
compelling enough to, me just because that is so far
out you're basically the Most chauter way to put it,
be you're just setting fire to the mid level exception
every single year for the Next.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no you AND i are fully. Aligned they
should not do. This this is, dumb so obviously that's
what's gonna.
Speaker 1: Happen you think that's how this is gonna? End, then
is what you're?
Speaker 3: Saying, look it's the. Suns i'd be shocked if they
actually acted. COMPETENT i.
Speaker 1: DON'T i don't even know The Kevin durant stuff. Too
i'm what do you think they're gonna get for? Him
is this well they get it'll be multiple first round
picks of the? Equivalent but there what is what does
a haul look like For Kevin durant at this? Point with? One?
Speaker 3: Ye, Yeah i've been wondering that it's well for a while,
now And i'm not. Sure like when we say multiple
first we make it sound so, attractive but, like are
they gonna get like multiple picks projected to be in
the lottery and? Unprotected i'm probably disinclined to believe, So
like he's what thirty seven this?
Speaker 2: Year are teams.
Speaker 3: Really gonna go out of their way to relinquish a
ton of their future for a guy who also might
just kind of, say, LOOK i could be leading in a,
YEAR i could be retiring in a, year LIKE i
don't think. So and as good As katie, is and
he is very very, good it's not the prime. Version
although his numbers can absolutely fool you here and, there
he's not that dude, anymore which is, Okay like he
can come in and be like the secondary guy for,
Sure but but you have to have the right. Circumstances
you have to have the right, roster you have to
have him in just the right. Role And i'm just
looking through this entire league and only one team really
pops up as being the obvious. Selection and that's What
that's the team he didn't want to go back. To
that's The Golden State. War you're still like.
Speaker 1: Who else society because it's mid, Season.
Speaker 2: Oh, right, true so it might be, open that's, Right.
Speaker 3: Denver like if the if The nuggets go out there
and make a big swing FOR, kd they're probably gonna
hurt their depth even. More but oh my, GOD i
want YOU kd. Together that would be so. Fun what
are you?
Speaker 1: Using is the outgoing salary in That.
Speaker 2: Michael Porter junior and. Stuff and that's the, issue, right
what is?
Speaker 1: Stuff you could trade a first round? Pick you how
you would have to Trade i'm Assuming Peyton watson's probably
involved in that. Deal Zik.
Speaker 2: NASIA i, assume.
Speaker 1: Well you get to the money of charge And Zeke
nagy is probably. Not, WELL i don't. Know that's that's
a pretty big number for what Is Michael Porter junior
at next? Season so he's gonna be in the mid,
thirties he's gonna be like around eight to. Nine scharch
is gonna. Be that'll be the mini mle type. MONEY
i mean you get.
Speaker 2: THERE mpj is at thirty eight point.
Speaker 1: Three oh, yeah so you could get there that nausey
and charge would get you just about. There Probably, yeah he's.
Speaker 2: Close, yeah and sorry's absolutely picking out that.
Speaker 1: Player but at that, POINT i, WONDER i guess if
you're A, phoenix you're you have to Like Michael Porter
junior and then you're getting a, pick and you have
to you have to like one Of denver's youngsters a.
Speaker 3: LOT i WOULD seri that's the, thing, Right like it
has to make sense for, Them but, like if that's
the best deal that's out, there, LIKE i GUESS i
don't know who is going to break the bank. HERE
i don't know who's gonna come up with the godfather
offer For Kevin. DURANT i have no. Idea what if
that offer isn't out? There what if that package From
denver is the best that The sons can can? Get
are they Gonna so.
Speaker 1: We're SAYING MPJ A pick And Peyton watson just as
sort of like the baseline.
Speaker 2: Baseline, sure but like let's let's say it's the.
Speaker 3: Best i'm Not and, then by the, Way i'm not
suggesting That katie doesn't have trade, value but like this
is a new financial climate and new financial reality that
we're living. In we have no, idea like maybe five
teams stand in line to acquire, him maybe.
Speaker 2: NONE i have no.
Speaker 3: Clue but if that's the, package what do you do
with your? Phoenix do you stay put with? Him or
do you take that package and try to run with? That,
AGAIN i don't know the interwest to.
Speaker 1: THIS i guess you would be obligated to take, it
because what's the. Alternative you just want to LOSE kd
for for, nothing and you PROBABLY i, mean you've then
turned him into two rotation, players but plus a pick
down the line with some, upside you probably have to
make that.
Speaker 3: Deal but it's also the motivations of, him because he
outlined pretty thoroughly he wants to be able to choose
this next. Chapter you want to go out on his,
Way like what if he is again disinclined to want
to go to a certain destination that might offer them
a good.
Speaker 1: Package THEN i was gonna, say do you Think miami
can put together a compelling?
Speaker 3: Package, WELL i, mean look if if Calil ware is is, involved, yes.
Speaker 2: But what were you?
Speaker 1: THINKING i, mean like you have you're at that point
though you're, like, oh we're gonna get Khalil. Aware then
may be they can't trade a first round pick as
of right now until twenty twenty. Nine and that's assuming
that this, year, well this year's pick will convey because
they made the, Playoff so they can't trade a first
round pick until twenty twenty. Nine would you give UP
i guess you have to give up Khalil ware For.
Kidie but it's so twenty twenty nine, first let's, say
and then Khalil ware plus the money you're getting back
is it's Rosier Or's Duncan rock Because i'm assuming you
don't want to Trade Tyler hero and you're definitely not Trading.
Speaker 2: Bam Nought bam WITH kV for. Sure, yeah AND.
Speaker 1: I guess you have. To you have to Throw himehawks in.
There and then it's, well what are you left? With
IT'S kd And hayward High smith And Tyler hero And
pam at a. Bio what is left with?
Speaker 3: Us you're left with the same issue as when as
every team when they go all in on these big
salary guys who are at the end of their. Careers
it's it's a pitiful. Depth it's this is the recurring
issue that we're seeing again and again again and our
look our mood show Friend Brian sippork was on, This
he's been on this for. Years when you have to
like get three guys into a salar structure where they're
all earning on more than thirty, million even with like
new caps and increasement increasings and all, that it's just
gonna make it brutal to make real upgrades on the
bench unless you have like a war chist of draft
picks like, okay.
Speaker 1: See okay, SEE i might not Hate Kevin durant, There
i'm not depending on what the outgoing money, is it's
not gonna be j Dubber.
Speaker 3: Chet that would be. BEAUTIFUL i do we think he'd
be interested in going back?
Speaker 2: HOME i don't.
Speaker 1: KNOW i actually think it's less likely The thunder would be.
Speaker 2: Interested oh, yeah that might be true.
Speaker 1: Too they're just like that team is so. Good they just.
Speaker 2: Oh then then then it's look sixty eight.
Speaker 3: WINS i know it's not quite seventy, three but Then
Count durant would obviously be.
Speaker 2: Interested at least.
Speaker 1: You would have the reunion element.
Speaker 2: Though, yeah BUT i had to get that.
Speaker 1: In would you if You're? Denver would it be more
palatable or even if Your phoenix more palatable to build
something Around Jamal murray instead Of michael portergy, Year, like
if It's Jamal murray in's, salary it's just kind of
a challenge straight because he's kind of close to What
Kevin rant's making next.
Speaker 3: Year oh, MAN i, MEAN i wouldn't like, that And
i'm also for which team BOTH i KNOW i. WOULDN'T
i wouldn't like that For denver Because i'm A Jamal murray.
Optimist i'm gonna and also he's a. Guard they need
guard play like if you if you don't have, him
you're gonna run.
Speaker 1: The ball Even, okay.
Speaker 2: Yes that is, true they.
Speaker 1: Do.
Speaker 2: NO i honestly think Like.
Speaker 3: Murray Kd jo kitsch is like the perfect way to,
Distribute like if you want to do like a three
max system and a three star, SYSTEM i think like
the lead, guard the primary wing and a big is
the best way to go about.
Speaker 2: IT i wouldn't hate.
Speaker 3: That but, Again durand is ninety seven thousand years. Old
do we trust him to hold up in the? Playoffs
and then at the same, time do we Trust Jamal
murray to hold on in the? Playoffs like health wise.
Speaker 1: He's a playoff killer generally though that's A i'm GONNA
i count myself With Jamal murray optimist. TOO i think
he was overrated in certain, circles but people who view
his contract as TOXIC i probably not the best contract
given his injury history at this. Point but, YEAH i
don't know what team is gonna. COME i don't Think houston.
Is they might be, involved but they're not giving you back.
Everything and if they, do, like that's, it like you've
just gotten your dress And i'm not the money that
they're giving, YOU i guess they're Using Van fleet's money
or jail And greed's, money and It's i'm not that's
not moving. Me and if you're Keeping Devin, BOOKER i
assume that you want to compete, Now SO i, MEAN
i guess the movies if you can get back any
of your picks From houston for MOVING, kd can you
try and figure out you can get like another one
of your picks back by Moving Devin. BOOKER i. DON'T
i don't, know BUT i. UNDERSTAND i think The Devin
booker stuff has been too simplified down at they have
to move, him and it's it's it's similar In atlanta
With Tree. YOUNG i get it where you could fault
them for giving up those picks in the first, place
but when you don't have, them it it. Matters you
have any Other Kevin durant destinations you wanted to, tell,
like is there a team that's in the playoffs right
now where you could.
Speaker 3: Just just outside the playoffs just because we want to
go full chaos agents? Here how about Reunion Kyrie irving
In dallas Where Anthony davis said it to it To?
Speaker 2: Phoenix why not let's get.
Speaker 1: Nuts why WOULD i, Mean Nico harrison would have to
have lost his mind at that.
Speaker 2: Point oh he hasn't, already have?
Speaker 3: You have you given Any he can sell it to
ownership because ownership are dump.
Speaker 2: Dumps they have no idea what's going? On oh this
Luka doncic guy is good or that's what you're telling.
Me oh my, GOD i mean you can sell.
Speaker 1: It the two TEAMS i keep an eye, on just
depending on how they fare in the playoffs and when
they get. BOUNCED i Think minnesota or The knicks could
end up being just interesting teams that oh, yeah loop
themselves in. HERE i just think a lot rides on
it how the playoffs finish for.
Speaker 3: Them Anthony davis would be the driving force behind.
Speaker 2: That for.
Speaker 3: Sure he would love. It he would absolutely love. That,
yeah that's a good shot The. Knicks oh that's. Interesting
who are you giving?
Speaker 1: Up So i've seen a lot of people propose like
the Mchal bridges or ogn andob type, framework AND i
Think i'm trying to build something Around Karl Anthony towns.
Instead If I'm New, YORK i think if you're, big what's?
Speaker 2: That who's your?
Speaker 1: BIG i think you can ask that same. Question, now,
Look Contee town's played well at the end of and
this will be coming out after game. Two he played
well defensively at points For game, one he also had
some really bad moments where he was getting burned in
the pick and. Roll AND i do believe it's going
to be a a top or near the top of
the to do list this summer for The nicks to
go out and get another. BIG i think Carlck town
is a great, player but if you can Move Karl
Anthony towns to Get Kevin, durant you've probably major defense
better and you can approximate center play for cheaper than
for someone that's something Like Kevin durant, does and that
would BE i don't know if that's. Enough are we
talking a third or fourth team here where you're Sending
karnathony town? Somewhere there's ending stuff To. Phoenix but if
The nick's get.
Speaker 3: Back are we just all in On Josh hart averaging
fourteen boards next.
Speaker 1: Year then maybe move him to get your big to
try and get a big after Getting Kevin.
Speaker 2: Durant Moving Josh, Hard oh my, god that is, Slanderous.
Speaker 1: OKAY i mean it might be but they already did
break up the villain over crew after, it so maybe they.
Speaker 3: Were why DO i still why AM i still set about?
That like it's been so long and that's still that
commercial that came out some time, ago THE, A c
AND t. COMMERCIAL i know as you saw, that that
got to, me it was like, damn, Damn, YEAH i could.
Speaker 1: SEE i would be curious if that's the would you
you Think New york should be trying to Move Michael
bridges in that instance rather than you can't MOVE O
G he's become your second most important.
Speaker 3: Place oh, yeah, no, no, No i'm Thinking bridges for. SURE i,
AGAIN I i'm also a town's. Optimist i'll admit as.
Much AND i AND i ALSO i you know, ME
i put a bigger emphasis on offensive production.
Speaker 2: Defense so like that's probably me if.
Speaker 1: You actually had the, Choice so we're kind of Throwing
phoenix this out of the equation out of. Here if
you were The, knicks you would prefer to move Probably
McHale bridges And Josh hart THE kd then moving towns probably.
Speaker 3: Yes and IF i if we somehow could stick With
josh some, CAPACITY i would do.
Speaker 1: WELL i guess you could Move mitch with Michae let's
you can figure it? Out sold SOLD i THINK i
would prefer the town's route as good as he's, been
to be. Honest next, up AND i think is this
this might be finally The Sacramento kings are? Kingsing who knew?
Kangsing excuse, me The kangs are. Kangsing monte McNair was.
Fired Scott perry has been hired after yet another exhaustive
search by a top notch. Organization Scott perry can supposedly
hire his own head. Coach that's. Fun but the Veck
king's owner is known to Like Doug christy who was
The internet for the rest of the. Year, there what's?
That so he?
Speaker 2: Can?
Speaker 1: Right Does, perry, though have the autonomy to choose a
new direction for the franchise because the reporting coming out
and a lot of this could be post transactions Been
apparently McNair wasn't a big fan of Firing Mike brown
or going After Demarta rosen or Zach. Lavine and if
that's the, case my. God we also know that domas
a bonus is expected to contemplate contemplate his future with
the organization this, summer and of, note, Two Keegan, murray
he's gonna be extension. Eligible where is? That we know
it's headed for, Disaster but do you think like the
move for The kings would be they should probably strip
it down and start. Over if you want to Keep
keith And murray pay, him, fine sure. Whatever still believe
if you believe In Devin, carter sure. Whatever but this
seems like a situation where they're gonna try and, no
like we can reredg reredge open that window from two
years ago and like the beam all over. Again that
ship has kind of sailed for.
Speaker 3: Light the beam is. Dead unfortunately this we have to
kill the beam. Now AND i say that as a
major fan of the. Beam we can't justify it. Anymore, sorry,
Sorry when they win their first, championship oh well, no
wait a, second they have a championship in their, belts,
right they have one from way back with The.
Speaker 2: ROYALS i, think all, right.
Speaker 3: Well the first time The Sacramento kings win a, championship
then you can light the beam.
Speaker 2: Again until, Then, no, no it's.
Speaker 1: Over they're just they feel they have Some they're twenty
million dollars beneath the tax heading into the. Offseason they
have assets and like mid end salaries that they could.
Move BUT i just don't know how you get to
like a better point Right like looking at the organizational,
health it seems like a big problem is just going
to be the way That vivek runs, things who he's
listening to at any given. Moment and then they've just
traveled after having a one of the best feel good
stories in the league a couple of years, ago they
have traveled one of the most curious paths since, then
and they've assembled what is a wildly underwhelming roster with
very few. Outs they have some pick equity from the
Darn fox, trade BUT i don't even know THAT i
think their biggest issue AND i HAD i want to make,
CLEAR i had to masts The bonis on one of
my ALL nba. Teams they need a new best, player
and you're not gonna be in a position to draft
one based off how good slash not. Good you're going
to be moving, forward and maybe you have the assets
to go out and get, one but do you then
have the assets to flesh out the roster around set.
Player and if, don't maas The, bonis if you put
him on the, Market the fact that he's under contract probably,
helps BUT i also don't think because he's such a specific,
FIT i don't know that there's gonna be this type
of bidding war for, him with teams tripping over. Themselves
he's an incredibly talented, player but it's also and look
he also we did this made up awards from our
subs mord and one of them was stars who made
the biggest. SACRIFICE i put him number. One he was
off the ball a lot more this. Year dealt with
two different iterations of The. Kings they bring in To
Martin roseen than at Sack. Lavine so he's not, inflexible
but defensively specifically the reason That Keegan murray has had to.
Blossom there do a lot of low man stuff that's
because Of, simonis and that will be taken into account
if teams are cobbling together trade. Packages it's just A
i hate not having. Answers but like a lot of
the teams that we have talked about when it comes To,
dallas when it comes To New orleans and even In,
atlanta they're in these just aggressively mediocre situations without a
clear path forward and without like who are the decision
makers that you feel most. Confident we exclude The warriors
who we talked about to monitor and react to the
future of these. Teams it's probably maybe In, atlanta but
like Between New orleans And sacramento And dallas being thrown in.
There BUT i honestly don't know this IS i do
think they had other car that they could have, Played
AND i probably the mistake probably began with the Demart rosen,
acquisition which we did not necessarily hammer on this, podcast
but it was sort of a all, right like you're
fixing one need while ignoring or creating, Others and that
turned out to be exactly the. Case and with the
Darn fox, trade you could say they made out well
relative to the, circumstances but you also were forced you,
won contributed to creating those, circumstances and then two you
tried to cater to this middle ground to where could
you've gotten more pick equity if Zack lavine wasn't Involved
and if the answers, no what does that say About? Zaclovine,
LIKE i just don't, so because if you Put Zack
lavine on the trade, MARKET i think he's probably become
an underrated. Player BUT i don't Think he's someone who
nets you a ton on the trade, market as we
just saw for what The bulls got, HIM i, know
or got for him as part of that, deal.
Speaker 2: WHICH i still think is is.
Speaker 3: Weird he's one of the most efficient scorers in all
of basket that.
Speaker 1: Could be a bulls thing. Too you would be the
first to admit that that they just didn't properly like
go about gauging his, value like maybe there was a
different type of deal on the table that they just to.
Speaker 2: SHOOT i, mean, look everything is possible.
Speaker 3: Here but one of my point is, basically when it
comes To, LEVINE i think he's grotesquely. UNDERRATED i loved
the addition of him In, sacramento BUT i hated that
it came at the cost of Darn fox because the
idea would have been to pair him With fox and
the bonus that would have been. Fun THAT'S i still
love The Levine Sa bonus. Connections, HONESTLY i think there's
some jews, there Which you're, right this has to come
down to the. Stubs and what's the funniest thing ever
Is ricky, O'Donnell who's the co host On Cast. Considerations
he was like he's been banging this drum for like
solid two months, now where he's, like The bulls are
absolutely going to trade For demons as bonus because artories
cut showst is Also lithuanian and like, that that whole
connection is. There and it took me a while to
realize that would Mean, Booch deamar And saclovine would be
all three of like Like Bulls west would be created In.
Sacramento and if that is just the fact that they
have those two guys on the same team speaks to
how little they apparently. Are And i'm not putting, this
by the, way and on man to make. There i'm
putting this on ownership that they realized. That, look if
that connotation didn't work In, chicago, like how why should work?
Here like why why would that duo work? Here they
were separated for three months and we're back together and
this team is extremely uninspiring as of This as of right,
now they have some quality. PIECES i do think if
they trade them off, individually you can get something. Interesting but,
yes this you have to tear this down to the.
Stubs you have to start. Over there's there's nothing here like,
look the whole bonus expected to contemplate future this. Summer
it's a bit of a farce for one. Reason the
conclusion we already know likes is not gonna look at
this roster and, go oh, yeah that makes.
Speaker 2: Sense i'm.
Speaker 3: Down even if he gets Like Scott perry comes in
and tells him here's the. Plan the plan is gonna
end in. Mediocrity why would sabonus sign up for? That
like what what Is Scott perry is gonna, Say, Hey,
domas so we're planning in twenty twenty six to tray for.
Speaker 4: Viz like what like what what possible realistic plan can
he lay out in front of the bonus that is
gonna like push the kings into to deep that playoff,
Contention they would be.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna Keep levin And sibonis and you figure
out how to Keep murray and it's just kind of
salary and picks going, out they would be a Fun
Kevin durant Teams Katie.
Speaker 2: Yevin that'd be. Fun that'd be.
Speaker 3: Fun it it'd be a super short, window but that
would at least be a fun, window very fun. Window
by the, WAY i want to admit THAT i was
wrong On DeMar BECAUSE i actually thought that they would
go this route of basically, saying all, right we're gonna
go back to, running because remember when they had the
number one office that, HERE i thought they'd basically go
seven seconds or, dumar WHICH i thought like, that you, know,
WELL i, mean look there's some merit to. THAT i
think there's some merit to, that and they just. DIDN'T
i mean even when they started, running Like damar would
get the ball and then he would just stop the.
Offense you just like, it stuff going all the way
to the, baskets which are like all, Right i'm just gonna.
Stop i'm gonna survey for four seconds That i'm gonna
get into like.
Speaker 2: Like a post up fifteen feet away from the.
Speaker 3: Basket just murdered their entire offensive expulsion. Potential AND i
hate to be that, guy but like you're, Saying Keegan
murray's extension and, eligible, SURE i probably would just let
him get into the restrictive free. AGENCY i don't think
he's proven enough at this. POINT i mean he's gotten better,
defensively that's. GREAT i expected far more from him offensively.
Speaker 1: Far they weren't never set up to give that to,
him though.
Speaker 2: They were were traded for Freaking Demarta.
Speaker 1: Rosen that's my, point, show AND i also think is
The kings if the way restricted free agency, WORKS i
would agree with you that team should just let players
reach the. Market but as The, kings you don't have
the good will built up to potentially damage any pre
existing goodwill you have With Kegan, Murray so that might
put you over a, barrel.
Speaker 3: Right but you're still paying off a theoretical. Potential like,
again we don't. KNOW i agree with, you his situation wasn't, optimal,
absolutely but that also means we still haven't seen. It
we haven't seen long term proof that he can be
you know that, firmly that third guy that we all
were hoping he could, be we haven't seen. It so
like AM i sitting here, going oh, Yeah i'd be
comfortable paying him twenty five to thirty million a, year.
Speaker 2: That's.
Speaker 1: Steve, well if you're not comfortable doing, that then then
you should trade, him.
Speaker 3: Right i'm not comfortable doing that right now, Though like,
again and that's, why like if you're, Four let's say
they get rid Of damar And murray goes into like
his final year of this rookie, deal and he's going
to be a restrictiveficagent and he.
Speaker 2: Blossoms i'll be willing to pay for that, well.
Speaker 1: And that would be that's the middle, ground. RIGHT i
don't know what that necessarily looks, like but it's what
can you attach To Moleik, Month Malik monk excuse, me
and or DeMar and what does that get? You what's
the player that could get? You and are you, prioritizing,
oh we want a floor general like are they looking
at A Tree young or A John ran if they become,
available is it to you? Know we talked a lot
about can they get a higher end wing in there
aside from A Keegan. MURRAY i JUST i don't have
The it's such a bizarre situation because IF i was,
THEM i would just tear the whole thing. Down Kegan
murray up for, debate for, SURE i would tear the
whole thing down and start. Over but we know they're
not gonna do, that and SO i just. Don't i'm
trying to think of just moves that they could make
where it kind of salvages this situation where all, right
it costs you some, assets but some are left over
to be reactive and make other. Moves what is the,
like are you gravitating towards especially if you're moving to
mar and Or? Monk is? It, well then that needs
to be an initiator type of player from the.
Speaker 2: Perimeter, absolutely, YEAH i, Look and.
Speaker 1: Then Trey young doesn't make a ton of sense because, it's,
oh we, like let's build a worst version Of Jalen
brunson And Karl Anthony towns, TOGETHER i guess In Zach, Ramano, yeah, WELL.
Speaker 3: I mean at least They'll bean would be, there right
if They're can you even get it for? It can
you un afford?
Speaker 2: That? Though Trey levin's the, BONUS i think you.
Speaker 1: Can?
Speaker 2: Right that is that is.
Speaker 3: Expensive we're coming up on like one hundred and twenty
five million just for those.
Speaker 2: Three, okay, no you need you need a lead.
Speaker 3: GUARD i just don't know who the hell it. Is
it can't Be Malik. Mounk BUT i appreciate What Malik
monk has done over the past few years just in
terms of improving as a.
Speaker 1: Playmaker Kobe white do it for?
Speaker 2: You, yeah so he's a guy WHO i think could
be fun.
Speaker 1: There but could they get.
Speaker 3: That's the thing You but, again LIKE i don't Want
Kobe white there if It's levine de ros and, RIGHT
i guess that that's going to be the primary fore
who gets shots and we've seen that formula.
Speaker 2: Before that's not gonna.
Speaker 3: Work, ALSO i think there's far more precisional overlap between
the being and white than, we you, know seem to.
Speaker 1: Acknowledge at some, point they got to stop bringing in
bulls players, too.
Speaker 2: Like that that should just be a.
Speaker 3: Rule, uh it's unless it's Matsas, Priscilla so Then I'm
i'm ready to make.
Speaker 1: It LIKE i thought About detroit for a, minute if
they weren't confident In duran and they wanted like more
half court offense there and they don't think that Date
jnavey is the, Answer BUT i don't love that with
some of the other players they.
Speaker 3: HAVE i, WONDER i do wonder what if The pelicans
are like really aiming for like the middle, ground, Saying,
okay we want to be more.
Speaker 2: What's the.
Speaker 3: Word we want to be more, healthy we want to
be more a little bit more, consistent but we're willing
to sacrifice like the top tier. Potential it's gonna be,
horrible fans are gonna hate, It but like right, now
we're dealing with crap for, crap, right bonus For scion
or some. Iteration my, god, yeah, NO i, like.
Speaker 1: But that's that's breaking my. Brain that's why I'm that's
Why i'm. Laughing that would.
Speaker 2: Be, Correct it would, be, yes it.
Speaker 1: Would it's interesting you. ARE i do think you're knocking
down A zion's like he's a very good table, setter
but he does it in like one way WHERE Si
bonus is going to be more. Dynamic, yes in that
part as a straight up, TRADE i think you have
to say no is The. Kings but if you were
just concerned about Because zion is still owed, money but
you can technically get out of it if you suppose
that really wanted. TO i Think New orleans has to
send something out just BECAUSE si bonis the durability and
is just more. Proven AND i can't imagine your word's
attaching something To zion at this, point but.
Speaker 3: Like it's JUST i think those are the that we're looking.
At but, again what it doesn't move the needle for,
either does?
Speaker 1: It what do you Like sabonis With? Wemby, No, YEAH
i don't like them. Either think about the, SPURS i
don't have like a lot of other teams THAT i
thought Would, no he could work With Jaron Jackson, junior
but you Have edie there and you would have to
be really not confident in your offense or maybe you
think you're. MOVING i, Mean jo For Sa bonus would
be a weird. Trade that would be a weird.
Speaker 3: Trade the issue with The, bonus WHO i, love is
that he's just not a strong rim protector. Whatsoever you
just the way you have to build around him is so.
Specific it's sort of like The sion.
Speaker 2: Issue.
Speaker 3: AGAIN i know you disagree with me on, that BUT i,
LIKE i still think like those guys who are so
specific in how they're, built but it lacked like these
very vital elements to become these LIKE mvp level. Players
they're so difficult to like find the right structure. AROUND
i just don't know how you build around or even
with eight do Montonis like his talent level is. Outrageous
he's he's a triple double. Machine the guy when giving
the ball a, lot is gonna lead the league In
rebound's gonna average eight assistan and gonna give you twenty.
Points he's gonna shoot like sixty percent from the. Field
like that's that's ridiculous. Production but because he's such a
weak rim, Protector you're, like, uh.
Speaker 1: You need to have you basically need to have the
supporting cast that Like houston Or boston Or Oklahoma city
has right, now.
Speaker 2: Or Just Jaron Jackson.
Speaker 3: Junr just that guy or when well you Said, Wenby
but like the flag of floorst basic For, sabonis although
it's got, BETTER i will give him this that.
Speaker 1: That would be so interesting If Jaron Jackson junior was
available because The sabonis covers up for his Rebounding Jackson
junior covers up for a lot of his defensive. Stuff
But memphis Is you're you're getting third and four teams
of all that because you don't have anything that helps
Out memphis that unless they're doing a full tilt rebuild
and you're you're probably Sending you're sending salary and picks.
Elsewhere So memphis is getting somebody they. Want Kevin durant maybe.
Speaker 2: The short, Roll like if If bonus ended up In,
memphis the short Ro.
Speaker 1: Oh you're saying the bonus For Jaron Jackson.
Speaker 3: Jr Oh no, no, no, no, no, No i'm saying
pair them. Together but could you imagine if The bonus
ended up In memphis With jaron like you, have you
have the initial pick and roll of jaw and And
Domas domus obviously a great short. Roller then you Have
Jared Jackson Junior lurk in the, baseline and you know, what.
Speaker 1: The bonus has become a good enough shooter to wear
the space with jaw wouldn't be BUT i still defenses
would not care About. Jared, YEAH i mean're running probably
play With clark, Though so, yeah it's.
Speaker 2: Rough it's.
Speaker 3: Rough those guys are just they're tough to find something
on That.
Speaker 1: And i'd be curious if you pulled exactly like GM's
around the. League so The bonus has like three years
and one hundred and forty million left on his deal
after the, Season i'd just be curious how that's viewed around.
Speaker 3: You did you bring Up atlanta because if we're talking
about like they need a, center a big, Center LIKE i,
Know bonus is only like six, eleven so he's like not, necessarily.
Speaker 1: But he's like one of the best rebounders in THE. Nba.
Speaker 3: Rex, yes like the interchangeable passing elements From Jalen johnson
And bonus would be.
Speaker 2: Fun if you're.
Speaker 3: Actualrain so that makes the thing IS i just don't
know what the deal, is but like a front cord
Of Sionis johnson And Risha. SHAY i, mean at least
you have those two guys who can cover up a
ton of his defensive weaknesses down the line as they improve.
Speaker 1: Further it feels like a ton is doing a lot
of heavy lifting.
Speaker 3: There but, yeah, okay DOWN i sat down the. LINE
i didn't say immediately Then Dyson daniels at the very,
least it's going to be an ascid defensively to help.
Speaker 1: Out here's the thing, though is now you who Is?
Atlanta you want all these players around the bonus and
thing right?
Speaker 2: Out, yeah and that's because they don't have their. Picks
they don't know.
Speaker 1: THERE i mean they have like The lakers, pick they
have others. Pick they get The kings back their pick.
Speaker 3: Technically, yeah and that's that's the issue that this is
why The Atlanta hawks were also on this, List like
IT'S i know it's basically a new. Stump but at
the same time they are firing their general manager for a.
REASON i, mean all of these teams that we've talked
about are just.
Speaker 2: They're so. Stuck, Dan they're so. STUCK i, mean.
Speaker 1: It's funny because they're. Not they're. Not they're they're stuck
in their own, way if that makes any, sense because
they do have. Outs but for The, hawks, yes and
even The, suns like they've complicated it because of their pick.
Commitments but like The suns are just. Screwed like they're just.
Screwed all these other teams have, options but they have,
not like you don't trust them to make the right.
Decision and there's other complications like With atlanta where it's
and and with The. Bonus our best players are this
they are ALL nba caliber, players but they're not universally,
scalable and that makes it difficult to not just trade
them if you wanted to art over or at LEAST
i shouldn't say difficult in a, vacuum but it makes
it harder than if you're if The celtics want to
move on From Jalen, brown it's just easier to find
the top level packages than if it's one of these.
Two but also just building around, them because you could, Say,
Okay sabonis In, Atlanta subonus And trey would be a defensive. DISASTER, yep.
Together SO i don't know what The kings, do BUT
i assuming they're not going to, rebuild even though that's, Well.
Speaker 2: They're gonna do What vivec wants to.
Speaker 3: Do and that's a problem in enough, itself because that
is where the real issue. Lies it's with, ownership as
is becoming the case more and more with THE.
Speaker 1: NBA i have Decided i'd do nasty things to See,
Sabonis Jaron Jackson, junior And Keegan Murray i'm the same team.
Speaker 3: Though oh, okay So Jaron Jackson. Junior two, Second that's
WHAT i.
Speaker 1: Was BECAUSE i was, saying what if what if The
grizzlies don't want to Pay Jaron Jackson. Junior and by the,
way for anyone who's still listening to, THAT i did
confirm you don't need to sign for this full supermax
Because Rudy gobert his supermax was five and two twenty
eight and he signed for like five and two oh.
Speaker 3: Five so so all, right so you just have to
be eligible and then you can sign for basically whatever
is kind.
Speaker 1: Of, right OR i guess at least anything between the
thirty percent and thirty five.
Speaker 3: Percent that's super, interesting in very well it's super interesting
for you and, Me like for the, thousand, well it's.
Speaker 1: Important because if the option is we can only Give
Jaron Jackson, junior you, know one third of a billion
dollars rounding up here or you, know so there's like
there's a huge difference there for. Sure But i'm, like
If memphis doesn't want to pay, him and you obviously
take an extension off the table and a Super max
off the, table if you move, Him i'd throw. Everything
i'd throw money and all the PICKS i, have maybe
not all the picks because they have a, ton but
like you have picks and salary And Jaron Jackson, junior
so bonus And Keegan murray And i'm, Assuming i'm Assuming
memphis doesn't Want levin as part of that just because
you Have bain and jaw so then you're Using damarro
And monk and there are other teams. INVOLVED i DON'T
i don't know if that makes The kings puts them
on the right, path but that's certainly THAT i would
look like that's a that's a win now. MOVE i
can get on board with, That, sacramento if you don't
have anything else to add. More this was fun as
always can you tell our and we went way too
long on just, these but this is, stuff big picture
stuff that we need to talk. About can you just
tell our listeners where they can find you and all
the work that you.
Speaker 2: Do, yes you can find me over at Blue sky
at ms J.
Speaker 3: Npa you'll find my work, there From, forbes From, Dahoo
i'm sharing the mis to my, podcast but The danish
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