Speaker 1: I'm already m M.
Speaker 2: Should we open this episode in German?
Speaker 1: Do you know any German? Vos knoxtew and dynam fright site.
Speaker 1: I don't know that one. Yeah, what do you do
Speaker 1: in your free time? What do you know in German? Uh?
Speaker 2: Bit a bit of vases taleta.
Speaker 1: Where's the toilet? Yeah? Please please? Where's the toilet? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's it. That's all I know.
Speaker 2: I actually and eins by Dry I know that too.
Speaker 1: That's funny to those of you listening to the podcast
Speaker 1: right now, that's bulky. I'm ben. You didn't know I
Speaker 1: took German for five years in high school. I did
Speaker 1: not know. I actually can speak at these not like fluidly.
Speaker 1: I haven't been in high school in twenty years.
Speaker 2: Hold on, you had five years of German in high school?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How did you have five years of high school?
Speaker 1: So you started your first year of language was in
Speaker 1: eighth grade, so you you got a little bit of
Speaker 1: a dabbling in seventh grade. And then the girl I
Speaker 1: had a crush on shows German in seventh grade, so
Speaker 1: I picked German red flag and then and then now
Speaker 1: now here we are, now I can I can ask
Speaker 1: you what you do in your free time or yeah
Speaker 1: voiss bleischiff spitzer, which is where is the pencil sharpener? Wow?
Speaker 2: You know I did three years of Spanish in high
Speaker 2: school and I've forgotten most of it. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: we had to because I went to a parochial school
Speaker 2: and you had to take a language and your three
Speaker 2: choices were Prochioal Lutheran parochial school. Your choices were German,
Speaker 2: Spanish or Latin. And I was like, well, nobody speaks Latin.
Speaker 2: The guys who are going to become pastors and the
Speaker 2: guys and girls who are going to become teachers. Maybe
Speaker 2: they took Latin, especially the guys for past being a pastor,
Speaker 2: there's a heavy Latin influence.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: You know, as you got up and graduated, I never
Speaker 2: thought I was going to use German in real life.
Speaker 2: But I thought, hey, Spanish, I could have some meaningful
Speaker 2: real world usefulness. So I took Spanish, and you're supposed
Speaker 2: to take four years. I took three because I didn't
Speaker 2: like it number one and I decided to quit, not
Speaker 2: take senior Spanish. Fourth year Spanish, and I took co
Speaker 2: ed home economic instead, Nice, where I sewed pants and
Speaker 2: fried donuts. Nice and it was wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were required two years. Let me ask. We
Speaker 1: had all the same languages, but we also had French
Speaker 1: as an option. Yeah, we did not have French. I regret.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'd be much more of a ladies
Speaker 1: man if I could, like.
Speaker 2: There, there, there, there is more.
Speaker 1: It is a suave language, I agree. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's a stereotype for what it is, but German's
Speaker 1: an ugly language, and I took it harsh, hurtful.
Speaker 2: I mean, like embodying everything about the Nazis that you
Speaker 2: don't like. I mean not that you like anything about
Speaker 2: the Nazis, but but I'm not dressers. Yeah, they are
Speaker 2: snampy dressers that and and dedicated. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get in some trouble here if I start, you know what,
Speaker 2: So we're I wanna I want to Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do this right now, Ben, there is a lot we're
Speaker 2: talking about Nuremberg, Russell Crowe, Romie Malik, James Vanderbilt directing.
Speaker 2: Also saw John Slattery in this movie Leo Woodhall.
Speaker 1: It's all that's standing out to me right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds about right. Anyway.
Speaker 2: There I saw some reviews for this, and people thought
Speaker 2: it was too not pro Nazi, because I mean, nobody
Speaker 2: makes a pro Nazi movie, sure, but too Nazi sympathetic.
Speaker 2: Did you find that the humanization of Russell Crowe's Hermann
Speaker 2: Garrig character, which, by the way, this is all based
Speaker 2: on a novel that came out in twenty thirteen called
Speaker 2: The Nazi and the Psychiatrist by James Hygen. I can't
Speaker 2: remember what his name was, but this all happened in
Speaker 2: real life at the Nuremberg Trials post World War Two,
Speaker 2: so all these characters were based on real people. And
Speaker 2: some of the reviews I read said that they felt
Speaker 2: that this was too sympathetic to the Nazis, to the
Speaker 2: Nazi plight, to what it was like to be a Nazi,
Speaker 2: and humanizing it a little bit, which is what you
Speaker 2: told me after you saw this.
Speaker 1: I called it the thanosification, the thanosification of like, well,
Speaker 1: listen the heat. They're wrong, yeah, but I get it.
Speaker 1: Thanos wanted to kill half of existence, but he said
Speaker 1: it was because we were running out of resource. Right.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was the right approach, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying you can at least understand the logic I totally get,
Speaker 1: and especially because neither one of us has skin in
Speaker 1: the German Jewish game. Here right now, I am not well.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do have a heavy German heritage, but
Speaker 2: I don't identify with.
Speaker 1: German thank you, right, yeah exactly. It's like I was,
Speaker 1: I'm white.
Speaker 2: But to my knowledge, I've never been a slave owner.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah exactly, And so far be it from me
Speaker 1: to criticize anybody who maybe has a little bit of
Speaker 1: Jewish lineage, even like some of the stuff that they saw,
Speaker 1: but as as a third party observer, as somebody who
Speaker 1: not to get too philosophical. But I've had this conversation
Speaker 1: outside the box. I don't believe in the idea of evil.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that anybody. I don't believe that somebody
Speaker 1: goes into something thinking they're the bad guy. Ever, I
Speaker 1: don't think any I believe in greed, I believe in laziness,
Speaker 1: I believe in self preservation. I believe in a number
Speaker 1: of all those things evil. I think they're negative motivating factors.
Speaker 1: But I think I think if Hitler were around today,
Speaker 1: he'd be like I was trying to save the economy,
Speaker 1: and I thought this was the like, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's right. I'm not trying to justify it. I'm saying
Speaker 1: I don't buy into the eye.
Speaker 2: I think there are some people because that believe they
Speaker 2: are the bad guy, and they they relish that really
Speaker 2: yeah one hundred percent. See they're touched in the head. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know there there's a chemical imbalanced there. But I
Speaker 2: do I mean, I think about certain serial killers or
Speaker 2: serial robbers or you know, just serial criminals, that they
Speaker 2: do it because they like being bad.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Now that's not true of everybody, but I do believe
Speaker 2: it's true of some people.
Speaker 1: I would need I would need specific examples. The line
Speaker 1: I use on my show is the joker's not real.
Speaker 1: There's there's there's not a real life person who's like
Speaker 1: I just don't. Yeah, Like like that exists maybe in
Speaker 1: a in a worldwide scope when you talk about terrorism
Speaker 1: and people that are coming from countries that have nothing
Speaker 1: mad about something else totally, but in terms of you
Speaker 1: watch the the quote unquote crime every single day, or hell,
Speaker 1: the way we're work as Americans were pitted against each other.
Speaker 1: We're like, this person thinks this because they're evil, Like, nah,
Speaker 1: they don't they they they don't. They think deficit spending
Speaker 1: is bad or something like that.
Speaker 2: But they're okay, but let me okay, what about uh,
Speaker 2: let's use the Young Republican thing that happened. Yeah, a
Speaker 2: couple couple of weeks ago, right, Yeah, some pretty vile
Speaker 2: stuff set on there. Sure, I believe that that a
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff on there, regardless of your political.
Speaker 1: Affiliation.
Speaker 2: Affiliation, Yeah, it was not humanizing, like I mean, it
Speaker 2: was totally dehumanizing, which I think is evil.
Speaker 1: But you're saying that there was not saying it's racist.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's big.
Speaker 2: Isn't it? But isn't Are both those things evil?
Speaker 1: I be Racism comes from ignorance and fear. That's the
Speaker 1: whole point of this movie, is, like, I believe it
Speaker 1: comes from places that aren't necessarily evil. It's not intelligent.
Speaker 1: I don't condone it. I would hope that you could
Speaker 1: educate somebody to talk about these kind of things better.
Speaker 2: But at that point, but there's racists out there and
Speaker 2: people who who know that it's evil to you know,
Speaker 2: people who relish in killing or people who relish in
Speaker 2: murdering people just because of a race that they're like,
Speaker 2: it's fine if you don't like. I mean, it's not
Speaker 2: fine that you like, but you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I understand, like you know, people might have problems with
Speaker 2: other races or whatever. But I also understand that you
Speaker 2: can believe that in real life and live that life
Speaker 2: and still not take pleasure in absolutely unleashing hurt, pain
Speaker 2: and death onto those people. Yeah, which I think some
Speaker 2: people do. I'm right there with you, and that is evil,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think you are right
Speaker 2: by and large with nearly yeah, all people, But I
Speaker 2: do think that there are exceptions.
Speaker 1: There are very distinct exceptions.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I'm going to say that evil does exist,
Speaker 2: like it's out there all right, but it's maybe not
Speaker 2: as prevalent as we think because we all fall in
Speaker 2: line with our own you know, to your point, we
Speaker 2: all believe whatever we believe. We believe it because we
Speaker 2: believe we're right. Nobody believes in something because they believe
Speaker 2: they're on the wrong side of it. They believe in
Speaker 2: something because they believe they're on the right side of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, the number of people.
Speaker 2: It's an awfully heavy beginning to this postcast.
Speaker 1: Now I love it. I love because it's it's it's
Speaker 1: the conversation the movie demands, and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are negative towards it, who think it
Speaker 1: was sympathetic, are struggling to grasp it. From this perspective,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's not.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're struggling to grasp it to find
Speaker 2: out that, hey, Herman Garring was actually a person who
Speaker 2: had a family, and he explained why he did what
Speaker 2: he did in this movie. I think that the conversation
Speaker 2: is about why did this get made, especially with all
Speaker 2: the what do you call it? Right now? Anti Semitism
Speaker 2: sure is making a comeback apparently, And why is this
Speaker 2: being made in twenty two Why do we have to
Speaker 2: Why are we seeing the perspective of this person in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five with all this Jewish hate going on?
Speaker 2: Why is this being made? I think that's the problem
Speaker 2: people have with this, more so than the way Herman
Speaker 2: Garring was portrayed in this movie.
Speaker 1: I could answer it, but things might get uncomfortable. I
Speaker 1: think I know why the movie We go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we are in a very divisive time where
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of people disagree and view each
Speaker 1: other as the enemy. Possibly as evil. And I think
Speaker 1: you take the most extreme version, you take a Nazi,
Speaker 1: and you humanize that person to the point of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this person was responsible for a genocide, this person was
Speaker 1: responsible for violence of unspeakable amounts, all in the name
Speaker 1: of nash and making sure that his people are able
Speaker 1: to continue at the expense of another people. Here in
Speaker 1: my own world, I get people who message me all
Speaker 1: the time and say, Ben, I don't agree with the
Speaker 1: thing you say, but you're providing me with a perspective.
Speaker 1: It allows me to at least understand why people think
Speaker 1: I can't believe you get a whole lot of that.
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised, I'd be.
Speaker 2: I would be shocked if there's that many well adjusted
Speaker 2: people who can listen to what you say, yeah and
Speaker 2: still have that reaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It still happens to this day, and I think
Speaker 1: it's the nicest thing that you can hear. But by
Speaker 1: doing this movie, by doing it now, when I went
Speaker 1: into it, I was expecting some kind of slop and
Speaker 1: some kind of metaphor for ice or something like. I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this is going to be divisive, and
Speaker 1: I came out of it thinking like I can.
Speaker 2: Go into these movies it with such a cynic mind. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this whole I mean, like you just you walk in
Speaker 2: with this poisonous film over over your your your, your
Speaker 2: whole body when you walk in, and like I just
Speaker 2: go in crisp, clean, naked, like just jealous.
Speaker 1: But this is how you're wife.
Speaker 2: I get it, you know, And and you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: I wish I went in too, because I'm not when
Speaker 2: it comes to like world issues, political stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: social stuff, I'm not as smart and well versed.
Speaker 1: You just don't dive into it.
Speaker 2: I don't dive into it at all matter and and
Speaker 2: so then so then it's awkward for me when I
Speaker 2: see something or somebody's talking to me about something that
Speaker 2: I feel like, God, I should really have a better
Speaker 2: handle on knowing what this is all about than I
Speaker 2: actually do. And and sometimes I think that is a
Speaker 2: better way to view a movie, maybe more so documentaries,
Speaker 2: but that's that is sometimes a better way to view
Speaker 2: when we view a movie than just coming in fresh
Speaker 2: and cold.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to answer the question why make
Speaker 1: this movie, you have to kind of take the context
Speaker 1: of today into accounts when when you because otherwise, why
Speaker 1: why would you release it. Why did Bigonia come out? Now?
Speaker 1: Why why did it feel? And like? Because it's a
Speaker 1: conspiracy written world do we live in today? In this
Speaker 1: one I found myself reminiscent enough. But conspiracy theorists are
Speaker 1: not Nazis. No, oh no, I didn't mean to imply that.
Speaker 1: I just mean it's relevant to today's time. It is
Speaker 1: wrapped both. Yes, I think the Nazis were used in
Speaker 1: this movie again to highlight, like, you know, maybe a
Speaker 1: conservative could listen to a liberal and at least gain
Speaker 1: some perspective, not come away, Agreen. I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: walked out of this movie being like, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: the Nazis got a bum wrap like. I don't think
Speaker 1: this movie went out of its way at any points
Speaker 1: to try and portray in that way.
Speaker 2: And I will say too, Herman Garring was the story,
Speaker 2: but you had all these other guys hesse and.
Speaker 1: Laugh. What was his name?
Speaker 2: God, you're always all these other I mean it was
Speaker 2: twenty two. It was twenty two Nazi officers that were
Speaker 2: on trial.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: Now the focus is on Gearing and then Doug Kelly,
Speaker 2: the psychiatrist, romy Mallock's character kind of their relationship, but
Speaker 2: those other ones, Yeah, were not portrayed in a very humanizing,
Speaker 2: numb sympathy matter. Maybe towards the end we got it
Speaker 2: with one of them, Julius I can't remember his last name,
Speaker 2: the guy who ultimately wouldn't put his clothes on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think that was a little bit more humanizing.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, those guys came off really
Speaker 2: not cool. It was they were easy to hate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and that's the way it should be.
Speaker 1: I don't think you want to be accused of doing
Speaker 1: this the wrong way here, And I found myself reminiscent
Speaker 1: of I don't know if you saw Frost v. Nixon
Speaker 1: where they did.
Speaker 2: The That was Frank Langella and I can't remember Michael
Speaker 2: Sheen was the other one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And it's almost just like a conversation that's
Speaker 1: so captivating you can't look away. And obviously not as extreme,
Speaker 1: but this kind of gave me very similar vibes to
Speaker 1: that movie. The entire time that I was watching it,
Speaker 1: I oftentimes used the barometer of was I scrolling when
Speaker 1: I was watching the movie? Yeah, And this movie has
Speaker 1: scroll written all over it, right, it's a conversation. I
Speaker 1: didn't look away. I was like, oh, this is and
Speaker 1: again I was caught off guard. I said it on
Speaker 1: the radio and I'll say it here again for the podcast.
Speaker 1: I was expecting much more legal drama. Yea. I was
Speaker 1: expecting the actual.
Speaker 2: Law of the law part of it, which that wasn't
Speaker 2: I mean, that was a good chunk.
Speaker 1: Of the movies. It was a decent junk, but that
Speaker 1: definitely not the majority of it. And it's not the
Speaker 1: focal point either. And there's plenty of movies in literature
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff if you want to educate
Speaker 1: yourself about it. But I did go into it with
Speaker 1: a very different mindset and I was I don't want
Speaker 1: to say pleasantly, but I was definitely caught off guard
Speaker 1: by how I ultimately ended up coming out thinking about
Speaker 1: this movie. I think that.
Speaker 2: If I had one criticism, and this is a me thing,
Speaker 2: this is not a maybe other viewers felt it was tough.
Speaker 2: The Russell Crowe German accent thing. Yeah, I you know,
Speaker 2: accents in general I don't deal well with, which is again,
Speaker 2: I think that's a me thing. When he starts speaking
Speaker 2: German at the in the first scene, I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: is he speaking German? This whole movie, and you.
Speaker 1: Say you don't deal well with them because you're good
Speaker 1: at impressions, You're good at changing your line.
Speaker 2: I just feel I feel like I'm paying it well
Speaker 2: maybe okay, because of that, Like I notice that more
Speaker 2: so then when I do an impersonation or impression, I
Speaker 2: pick up on the little.
Speaker 1: Nuances.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that make the impression that much better. And
Speaker 2: so maybe when I see somebody it, you know, in
Speaker 2: a manner, the way that they talk, or an accent,
Speaker 2: I start paying attention more into the actual delivery and
Speaker 2: the way the words are presented rather than the meaning
Speaker 2: behind the words.
Speaker 1: I should be.
Speaker 2: Paying attention to the content, and I'm paying attention to
Speaker 2: the accent, you know. And so that's why I say
Speaker 2: I don't deal well with it, because I think some
Speaker 2: of it And again I think this is a me thing.
Speaker 2: And it did get easier as the movie went on,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Just to relate to that statement, I listen to a
Speaker 1: lot of rap, and if people don't edit their breaths
Speaker 1: the right way, I start hearing the breaths and not
Speaker 1: the words. So I know exactly what you mean because
Speaker 1: I start listening for that noise, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden I have no idea what's being said anymore, because
Speaker 1: I'm too busy focusing on that. This didn't happen to
Speaker 1: me with Russell with this particular instance. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: if I thought about it long enough, I could probably
Speaker 1: think of an of an actor or an example of
Speaker 1: something that was that I'll give you. I'll give you this.
Speaker 2: This guy isn't an actor. But there's one of the
Speaker 2: fantasy football shows I do. I have a person from
Speaker 2: the industry come on with me for two hours every
Speaker 2: Thursday night and we chop it up about fantasy football.
Speaker 1: I have a.
Speaker 2: Rotation for about a year, like I have these guests
Speaker 2: on once a year. Okay, one of the guests that
Speaker 2: I have on super smart, brilliant guy right, and I
Speaker 2: listened to his He does another podcast as well, and
Speaker 2: I listen to it because it's great content. But he
Speaker 2: has this thing when when he talks, he'll be like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you about this. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 2: about this. I'm gonna say why I think about this,
Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna tell you about this and tell
Speaker 2: you why I think this like it's it's and and
Speaker 2: like all I and it's He's so brilliant. He's so smart.
Speaker 2: But that's all I notice, you know, And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying Russell Crowe is to that level, yeah, because it
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of people I think, for as far
Speaker 2: as performances go, held Russell Crowe's performance in pretty high
Speaker 2: regarding this, and I thought it was good. I he
Speaker 2: must it's tough to play a sympathetic Nazi.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. And I do eventually want to get
Speaker 1: into a conversation about how many liberties you think were
Speaker 1: taken in the portrayal of these characters. So we'll get
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah in a second here. But
Speaker 1: I will say I am always pleasantly surprised. And I've
Speaker 1: heard he's a jerk. I don't know anything about anything
Speaker 1: that's done as personal. Do you know he when filming ended.
Speaker 1: I was talking with this with El Grande, our mutual
Speaker 1: friend El Grounde yesterday. When filming ended for Nuremberg, Russell
Speaker 1: Crowe weighed two hundred and seventy seven pounds. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was pretty big in this movie.
Speaker 2: Seven he lost fifty five pounds down to two twenty two.
Speaker 2: I saw the side by side. It's pretty impressive. That
Speaker 2: isant and I heard he gave up the bottle too,
Speaker 2: which I can't confirm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he also had put on a lot of weight,
Speaker 1: not for a role though, like I remember, he was
Speaker 1: one of the biggest women a decade ago. We're like,
Speaker 1: how's this guy still get roles when he puts on
Speaker 1: all But like, realistically, he's one of the greatest actors
Speaker 1: of our generation and you really haven't seen him a
Speaker 1: lot lately, which which I'm looking up right now. He
Speaker 1: has a straight to Netflix road rage movie and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to see what Wow, what the title unhinged where
Speaker 1: a woman cuts him off in traffic. It's like an
Speaker 1: actress you've never heard of, and she's in the car
Speaker 1: with her son. Yeah, and she cuts him off on
Speaker 1: a day when Russell Crowe caught his wife cheating on him.
Speaker 1: So he's already having a bad day and he decides,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill this woman and gonna make her life
Speaker 1: a living hell. Until we get to that point it is,
Speaker 1: it has no business having an actor that good in
Speaker 1: that movie. And he is just acting circles around everyone
Speaker 1: else and you can tell I'm sure it was for paycheck,
Speaker 1: but he's sure as hell didn't mail it in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he shows up doing this stuff and you have
Speaker 1: to sit there wondering he's from twenty twenty. It's available
Speaker 1: on Netflix. That one's where check as well. But it
Speaker 1: makes you wonder this guy just fell from grace. He
Speaker 1: went from Maximus Aurelius to.
Speaker 2: Uh John Nash beautiful mind yeah right, yeah, and then
Speaker 2: after that, well, he was in La Confidential, wasn't He's got.
Speaker 1: A handful of phenomenal roles and he knocked every single
Speaker 1: one of them out of the park. And I guess
Speaker 1: he was just so untaught, like he could not be taught,
Speaker 1: Like he just sucked I guess to work with. And
Speaker 1: as a person, well.
Speaker 2: I think alcohol played a role into his the way
Speaker 2: he treated people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. South Park had a whole episode dedicated to that.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he's got a band.
Speaker 2: I know he's in a band in real life, and
Speaker 2: we all know bands when they tour, there's stuff that
Speaker 2: goes on to get your energy up, sure, you know,
Speaker 2: for so I don't know.
Speaker 1: If he got into that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but this was a vintage performance.
Speaker 1: I thought he knocked it out of the porte.
Speaker 2: I thought, I don't I don't think we're gonna get
Speaker 2: any Oscar noms for him for this movie. But but
Speaker 2: I mean it's possible. I just I don't see it happening.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine Hollywood going out of their way.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's best actor. How about this guy who played
Speaker 1: the the uh? Well, how did Christolphe Waltz? Do I
Speaker 1: feel like he did? All right?
Speaker 2: I thought that was more of a comical uh portrayal?
Speaker 1: And you hated that guy? Yeah? He was evil. He
Speaker 1: was evil, Yeah, evil, very privilege like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he was so evil that it
Speaker 2: was hilarious. And it was Tarantino too, which tant I
Speaker 2: mean like that that everybody's a little bit different in
Speaker 2: the Tarantino universe.
Speaker 1: This guy was.
Speaker 2: You were supposed to like him, I think if some
Speaker 2: of the stories that he told, Yeah, absolutely growing up
Speaker 2: and and you know sort of how he felt. You know,
Speaker 2: I was researching this too. Did you go hard into
Speaker 2: the research? Not as much as I wanted to, but
Speaker 2: so so. Gary was like Hitler's like he was up
Speaker 2: and comers, in charge of the air force and everything,
Speaker 2: and then he became Hitler's second in command. Hitler named
Speaker 2: him as his successor, right and uh uh, second most
Speaker 2: powerful man in Germany during one of Germany's more powerful
Speaker 2: times in history. Okay, sure, and then he got word.
Speaker 2: Obviously I don't know what happened, but somehow he got
Speaker 2: word that Hitler was going to commit suicide. And he
Speaker 2: sent a message to Hitler saying, if you're doing this,
Speaker 2: can I take over the third Reich?
Speaker 1: Can I take you know?
Speaker 2: And and Hitler was so offended that that he would
Speaker 2: actually have the audacity to ask him that. After he
Speaker 2: finds out that Hitler's going to commit suicide, he strips
Speaker 2: him of his title of the Reich Martin or whatever
Speaker 2: it's called, Reik Marshall, Rag Marshall. He strips some of
Speaker 2: the title Reich Marshall, basically exiles them from the Nazi
Speaker 2: Party totally. And he's a man without a country at
Speaker 2: that point. And that and again, that's what happened in
Speaker 2: real life. And I don't think they focused on that
Speaker 2: so much in this Yeah, because ultimately I don't want
Speaker 2: to reveal anything. Sure, but but this.
Speaker 1: Was a guy.
Speaker 2: You you understand how hate starts, like, hate never starts
Speaker 2: with a with a.
Speaker 1: Massive crop field. It starts with a seed.
Speaker 2: Yes, and if that seed is allowed to be watered
Speaker 2: and cared for by individuals, by an environment, it can
Speaker 2: grow into something really, really bad. And I think and
Speaker 2: they didn't focus that a whole lot on Doug Kelly,
Speaker 2: Douglas Kelly, the psychiatrist towards the end, I think, like
Speaker 2: you found out because in real life, this guy was
Speaker 2: scared to death of what happened with the nazis happening
Speaker 2: somewhere in the world again, sure, and I think they
Speaker 2: brought that up towards the end of the movie anyway.
Speaker 1: But there's people that claim, I don't know how much
Speaker 1: validity there is to it, but Hitler was a very
Speaker 1: renowned artist, and there's people that say, but his art
Speaker 1: was panned when he was a young man. And there
Speaker 1: are grilla that say, had someone seen his art and
Speaker 1: been like, good work, he would have gone on to
Speaker 1: just be a painter somewhere, or an artist. And it
Speaker 1: stems from that rejection, that lack of being able to
Speaker 1: achieve what your dream is that begins to fester, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, as that little seed, and it begins to
Speaker 1: boil over into one of the most dangerous movements in
Speaker 1: human history.
Speaker 2: Teasing school shooters, at A at A at a smaller level. Yes,
Speaker 2: I mean that hate starts there too. Yeah, And and
Speaker 2: you know, it's just it's a.
Speaker 1: Very deep movie. That's why I think you need to
Speaker 1: be going into this with a certain mindset. You probably
Speaker 1: should expect that given the content. But I think as
Speaker 1: far as the history, as far as the historical accuracy
Speaker 1: goes based and again I didn't I didn't fall down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole no on this one.
Speaker 2: But it seemed pretty accurate. I mean a lot of
Speaker 2: the stuff that happened in this movie it seemed like
Speaker 2: it happened in real life.
Speaker 1: I feel like, like, for sake of argument with Rufe Man, yeah,
Speaker 1: had you misportrayed or had Channing Tatum show that character
Speaker 1: being a little more sympathetic, I don't think you'd get
Speaker 1: a lot of hate for that, even for people to
Speaker 1: trade him as I'm saying and hypothetical like if you
Speaker 1: do that, if you go out of your way to
Speaker 1: portray one of the highest ranking Nazis as like oh
Speaker 1: well actually, and it's not accurate, Like you go out
Speaker 1: of your way to create fictional situations to make him
Speaker 1: more relatable. It's like the inverse of which we don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, some of the stuff that made us
Speaker 2: make not likable made him more relatable. I don't know
Speaker 2: if some of that's true. That may have been made up, but.
Speaker 1: I have to believe. I did not read the book,
Speaker 1: but it's probably mentioned in some kind of way in
Speaker 1: the book. I think you'd be less likely to take
Speaker 1: liberties with a story like this when you know there's
Speaker 1: going to be historians and an entire population of people
Speaker 1: looking to be like, why are you creating this environment
Speaker 1: for this person? So I do find myself trusting the
Speaker 1: way things play out here a little more than I
Speaker 1: normally do in a based on a true story kind
Speaker 1: of perspective here. But I have to say from the
Speaker 1: other side of this dialogue, I never watched Mister Robot.
Speaker 1: I've never seen any Robney Mollock movies. I never saw
Speaker 1: The Amateur, I never saw Bhemian Rhapsody. I never saw
Speaker 1: No Time to Die. I think I saw Need for Speed,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember anything about it.
Speaker 2: I never saw Need for Speed. I didn't know he
Speaker 2: was in that Mister Robot. I know that was like
Speaker 2: where you got to start. Yeah, I never watched one
Speaker 2: episode all those other movies. Yeah, saw them all. He
Speaker 2: is brilliant. I love watching him act.
Speaker 1: I am officially part of that camp. Now this was
Speaker 1: my now's now here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you get into this second. I want
Speaker 2: to tell you why I like malk and s and
Speaker 2: now when he hosted SNL, they kind of did this
Speaker 2: thing about how creepy he is. Sure, I think because
Speaker 2: I that's part of it. That's the whole thing, because
Speaker 2: of these big bulging eyes, that weird I used I
Speaker 2: used to think so. The first thing I saw him
Speaker 2: in was Bohemian Rhapsody, and I think he had like
Speaker 2: fake teeth in for to play Freddie Mercury. So he
Speaker 2: always his mouth was always kind of weird, you know,
Speaker 2: and I just assumed it was because of that. Now
Speaker 2: I see him in No Time to Die, I see
Speaker 2: him in The Amateur. I see him in It's He's
Speaker 2: got this weird, kind of like resting evil villain face,
Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes he portrays a good guy, like
Speaker 2: in the Amateur. I think it's debatable whether he's a
Speaker 2: good or a bad guy in this movie. We could
Speaker 2: talk about that certainly, But I just he has this
Speaker 2: look on his face where I just don't know where
Speaker 2: he's gonna go next with a line delivery or anything,
Speaker 2: or the way the way he portrays a character. And
Speaker 2: I just think it's so fascinating because I can't It's
Speaker 2: not like I find him attractive, but I can't take
Speaker 2: my eyes off the screen.
Speaker 1: He just steals.
Speaker 2: He was in there with Russell Crowe, Man, Russell Crowe,
Speaker 2: we just need all those other stuff that all the
Speaker 2: other stuff he did, and he was punch for punch man,
Speaker 2: punch for punch with him.
Speaker 1: I thought he was absolutely phenomenal. You know what. Two
Speaker 1: names kept coming to mind the entire time I was
Speaker 1: watching the movie Steve Buscemi, Oh yeah, and the Eyes
Speaker 1: and the Tape and Christopher Walking because of the delivery
Speaker 1: of line. Yeah. And it's not a bad list to
Speaker 1: be included on in my opinion. I went in and
Speaker 1: I know people like mister Robot, and I know people
Speaker 1: like this guy as an actor, so I went in.
Speaker 1: I had preconceived notions about what I was getting into here.
Speaker 2: So this was your first Romney Mallock experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, And I he's off putting, but
Speaker 1: in all the best ways. I might even throw Killian
Speaker 1: Murphy in there a little bit as well. You're just like,
Speaker 1: this guy's handsome, but like in a very strange way. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you ever see what was the movie with Rachel
Speaker 2: McAdams and him?
Speaker 1: Oh, Red Eye? I watched that recently for my first time,
Speaker 1: but I just thought, but him and that movie is
Speaker 1: just yeah, really quickly not to get just real quick.
Speaker 2: Did he do Man in the High Castle too?
Speaker 1: I believe so? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And that was with like if the Nazis had won.
Speaker 1: The ironically, Yeah, okay, really quickly, just about Red Eye,
Speaker 1: because I don't know the last time you've seen the
Speaker 1: trailer for that twenty years ago. Yeah, it's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent worth looking up the trailer because it's so inventive
Speaker 1: because the first half is a rom com and it
Speaker 1: shows the meeting in the airport and it's like bubbling,
Speaker 1: it's like a will they won't they? And then the
Speaker 1: trailer turns. I'm like, oh my god, this is because
Speaker 1: I saw it in theaters, Like why did I choose
Speaker 1: to see this in theaters? Yeah, it's such a good
Speaker 1: marketing campaign for that movie. I think.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes SNL will do that where they'll they'll
Speaker 2: make a fake movie trail and you think it's one thing,
Speaker 2: it's well, then you have you know, all these people
Speaker 2: who have way too much time on their hands recutting
Speaker 2: trailers that like they make the Shining seem like it's
Speaker 2: this family comedy.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, But so what what's your interpretation? Then? I
Speaker 1: guess why do you what where's your ambiguity on Malik
Speaker 1: being a good guy or back clinical approach? Is it
Speaker 1: this scientific?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily that.
Speaker 2: I just think like he's brought in as kind of
Speaker 2: this cool, smooth guy in the first scene, right, and
Speaker 2: then that that's how we now that could go either way, right,
Speaker 2: I think he's put in an unfair position by by
Speaker 2: the United States Army, right, And so immediately that has
Speaker 2: you rooting for him a little bit. Okay, sure, and
Speaker 2: then you know you have him seemingly have these normal
Speaker 2: conversations with Russell Crowe's character, and then he comes away
Speaker 2: from it thinking he's smarter than the guy who thinks
Speaker 2: he's smarter than everybody. That's the other thing with both
Speaker 2: with Garig and Kelly, they both think they're smarter, that
Speaker 2: they think they're the smartest guy in the room, right,
Speaker 2: And so that's a little off putting. Then you're like,
Speaker 2: I was kind of rooting for this guy. Now I
Speaker 2: think he's kind of arrogant, you know. And then the
Speaker 2: whole having these humanizing conversations with Gary, which causes him
Speaker 2: some problems in his professional life, right, and then we
Speaker 2: find out he has issues with alcohol. Right, So you
Speaker 2: go back and forth between this, like, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I should be rooting for this guy, if I
Speaker 2: should feel sorry for this guy. Was this a bad
Speaker 2: guy for sympathizing with the Nazi?
Speaker 1: Ultimately?
Speaker 2: I don't want to say ultimately, but there's times in
Speaker 2: here where he battles know what to do from a
Speaker 2: ethical from an ethical standpoint, right, And normally, if you
Speaker 2: don't like a guy, if we're not supposed to like
Speaker 2: a guy, there's no ethics involved in that. They're making
Speaker 2: decisions in their own self interest. And I don't think
Speaker 2: that was always the case with romy Malik in this movie.
Speaker 1: With Douglas Kelly. So that's why I say, like, I
Speaker 1: watched this movie two and a half hours, still don't
Speaker 1: know if I was supposed to be rooting for him
Speaker 1: or not, do you think? So this is how I
Speaker 1: and this is what I took from that you tell me,
Speaker 1: because you know you always give me guff for my interpretation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who are you in this movie?
Speaker 1: By the way? Oh please? I mean he can't say
Speaker 1: Herman Garrettyah right. I really don't want to be either
Speaker 1: of them, you know what I mean? But there's no
Speaker 1: one you want to be. Yeah, there's no one you
Speaker 1: want to be in this anyway. I think that was intentional.
Speaker 1: I thought the way they were portraying and was to
Speaker 1: have you leave that theater thinking had this person been
Speaker 1: born in Nazi Germany, he would have been doing exactly
Speaker 1: what gerg like. They wanted to show you the duality
Speaker 1: of it, much like how they show you in the
Speaker 1: in the Michael Keaton, Jack Nicholson, Batman. The first thing
Speaker 1: both of them say when they walk into Val Kilmer's
Speaker 1: apartment is this is a nice place, lots of space,
Speaker 1: And they didn't hear the other person saying it, but
Speaker 1: they both react the exact same way when they see
Speaker 1: the apartment, to show you they both had shitty moments
Speaker 1: in their young adult life, you know, and that sends
Speaker 1: you on two entirely different trajectories. And I think they
Speaker 1: were trying to create that same nice place lots of
Speaker 1: space moment with these two. Well, that was how I
Speaker 1: took it.
Speaker 2: Was one thing I did forget And maybe this seals it.
Speaker 2: Maybe not. When they were actually showing the I don't
Speaker 2: know there are propaganda films, but the films of the
Speaker 2: concentration camps at the Nuremberg trials. You saw how Douglas
Speaker 2: Kelly reacted to that, And I guess I don't know,
Speaker 2: should should does that cementum as a good guy?
Speaker 1: Maybe?
Speaker 2: Maybe not, because I think any human you're seeing that,
Speaker 2: I mean, even Garret was like, it's like, clearly these
Speaker 2: were fabricated.
Speaker 1: This is not real.
Speaker 2: You know, you can even back then they were dealing
Speaker 2: with AI, right, like you can make these, you can
Speaker 2: age these films and even like and I have no
Speaker 2: idea if those were the actual films.
Speaker 1: I don't either hear, but man, that was really uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: They did. Look, I've been to the Holocaust Museum a
Speaker 1: couple of times and they have the films, and if
Speaker 1: nothing else, they were very reminiscent of those films. Whether
Speaker 1: or not they were beat or beat the same ones,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to comment, but I
Speaker 1: feel like they were trying to hammer that home quite
Speaker 1: a bit, because again, no one makes a movie without
Speaker 1: a purpose. You don't make a movie just to tell
Speaker 1: a story. You don't make a movie, you know, like
Speaker 1: even the most baseline that you pick a movie and
Speaker 1: I can tell you what the director was trying to
Speaker 1: tell you, and that whether or not they succeed, whether
Speaker 1: or not that was a good movie, entirely different conversation.
Speaker 1: But there's always that message everybody, everybody exactly. I've always
Speaker 1: said that, and it was just as I think it
Speaker 1: was very apparent.
Speaker 2: Even if they don't know their own agenda, everybody's got
Speaker 2: an agenda.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. What did Frank Reynolds say, You're either
Speaker 1: the duper or the dupee. I choose to be the
Speaker 1: duper head. Yeah, And I think there is a lot
Speaker 1: of that out there, And I they did a good
Speaker 1: job of keeping you guessing. Like you said, you don't
Speaker 1: really know who the good guys are who the bad guys,
Speaker 1: because in life, even when it's as cut and dry
Speaker 1: as Nazis, you're just like, well, there were some people
Speaker 1: pigeonholed into a situation they didn't want to be in.
Speaker 1: There were other people on the on the good side
Speaker 1: in quotes of the of the equation here that were
Speaker 1: not necessarily behaving with the best behavior. And yes, this
Speaker 1: challenges a lot of that, and I think hell, even
Speaker 1: X Men movies do that. Like you sit there watching
Speaker 1: Magneto just killing Nazis everywhere, and you're like, I know
Speaker 1: Magneto is a bad guy, but I definitely understand, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly where he's coming from here.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's I mean, that's true of Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know when this happened in film, but we
Speaker 2: we've talked about the rise of the anti hero over
Speaker 2: the last two and a half decades. I just I
Speaker 2: just feel like real life sometimes if you make a
Speaker 2: film that's true to life, that it can be really
Speaker 2: cool or it can be really boring, right yeah, And
Speaker 2: I think that when when you understand that everybody has
Speaker 2: a little bit of good and a little bit of
Speaker 2: bad in them. And I believe that's true one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: and you you see how those types of characters are
Speaker 2: brought to life. Perspective matters a ton in stuff like this.
Speaker 2: I don't think all Nazis were created equal, at least
Speaker 2: their portrayal in this film.
Speaker 1: There there was.
Speaker 2: There there were gear I mean, obviously you spent most
Speaker 2: of the time with Gearing, but some of these other
Speaker 2: guys just had no redeeming qualities, right, you know, and
Speaker 2: and Garing at least did. Now maybe these other guys
Speaker 2: did too as well. Maybe they came up the way
Speaker 2: they did because of their environment or a product of,
Speaker 2: you know, stuff that was happening to them when they're
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I also, I don't think if it is an accurate portrayal.
Speaker 1: I also am not caught off guard. You oftentimes put
Speaker 1: your best communicator towards the top of something like this.
Speaker 1: So if most people are operating from a perspective of
Speaker 1: obvious hate, and other people have the ability to elaborate
Speaker 1: on a message.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any doubt that Garik was the
Speaker 2: smartest guy. That's I don't think there's any doubt. And
Speaker 2: and a lot of these guys were loyal to Hitler
Speaker 2: no matter what, and they knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously with the cyanide stuff and killing themselves.
Speaker 2: I mean, they knew that they were not getting out
Speaker 2: of this. The trial for I mean, by and large,
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it was fixed, but you
Speaker 2: can't even if these guys I gotta remember, I got
Speaker 2: to think how to say.
Speaker 1: This best.
Speaker 2: Fate of the world for the people who were on
Speaker 2: this tribunal. In many regards, the fate of the world
Speaker 2: was dependent upon this decision and whether the prosecution brought
Speaker 2: enough evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. In this setting,
Speaker 2: I don't think was relevant. No, because if you let
Speaker 2: these guys walk away innocent, Yeah, you said a precedent
Speaker 2: I forgot. I forgot Michael Shannon is in this movie.
Speaker 1: I thought you forgot his name was, Yeah, he played judge.
Speaker 2: I want to say, Robert Jackson, Yeah, Supreme Court justice
Speaker 2: who ends up being the prosecutor in this trial. And
Speaker 2: he's talking with Romi Malik's character outside the courtroom, and
Speaker 2: he said, we made the Germans crawl after World War One.
Speaker 2: We embarrassed them. We took everything from them where they
Speaker 2: had nothing. In twenty years, they became one of the
Speaker 2: most powerful countries on the planet. We cannot afford to
Speaker 2: let them do this again. And so so you knew,
Speaker 2: and I would. I'd like to think, now this is
Speaker 2: more of a real life thing than a movie thing.
Speaker 2: I'd like to think that the people on that tribunal
Speaker 2: also shared that knowledge. I don't know if they did
Speaker 2: or not. Ultimately they made their decision, and we're not
Speaker 2: spoiling anything. We all know the result of the Nuremberg trials.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: This is not some sort of revisionist history with Quentin Tarantino,
Speaker 2: like if where we're oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: This is all right, So this is the Nazis.
Speaker 2: The Nazis, they get away with it, right and and
Speaker 2: and they don't, you know, And it wasn't anything like that.
Speaker 2: But I do think that that was the motivation for
Speaker 2: his character, the motivation for John Slattery's character, and for
Speaker 2: Leo Woodhall's character. How we trist Or is a trist
Speaker 2: Or Trieste.
Speaker 1: He was the translator.
Speaker 2: I thought he was awesome too. And I don't really
Speaker 2: know him for I know he was in The Latest
Speaker 2: White Lotus or whatever, but I thought, and by the
Speaker 2: way his character's backstory looked it up iron clad, that
Speaker 2: all that stuff that he talked about.
Speaker 1: Oh all happened. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, try to wrap your head around that. You think
Speaker 2: of his performance, Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1: And I listened to you talk, and I think when
Speaker 1: you juxtapose the story here with the way we know
Speaker 1: history went. And that's what's interesting because I didn't know
Speaker 1: the roofman history. I don't know a lot of about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know that either. Yeah, this I'm not going
Speaker 1: to claim to be an expert, but I also can
Speaker 1: say I know where the phrase I was just following orders,
Speaker 1: and I know why that's not a viable defense in
Speaker 1: court now. And we kind of why, you know.
Speaker 2: When I knew that a few good men, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that's when I read it, like, because we're supposed to
Speaker 2: fight for people like Willie. Yes, you know, that's when
Speaker 2: I that's when I realized that you can't just follow orders.
Speaker 1: But you see the effort there that so many of
Speaker 1: these people went through. I think they did a great performance.
Speaker 1: And it just highlights the duality of it, because I
Speaker 1: say this all the time on my show. You never
Speaker 1: know you're living through history when you're in when you're
Speaker 1: in the moment, it's only when you're looking back on
Speaker 1: it that you realized that something historic happened. And this
Speaker 1: feels like one of those few moments where you knew
Speaker 1: while it was happening that you were setting a trache
Speaker 1: for human history that is going to go one of
Speaker 1: two ways. And we thankfully chose the never again route.
Speaker 1: And you know, thus far we've been pretty good at
Speaker 1: keeping that going here. Richard D.
Speaker 2: Grant in the movie as well as the British prosecutor
Speaker 2: with Michael Shannon at the tribunal as well, he was
Speaker 2: the guy who continued with the interrogation of Garring after
Speaker 2: Shannon's character was kind of done. Yeah, he's really good too,
Speaker 2: and I mean in this movie just as an actor
Speaker 2: in general, he's really really good.
Speaker 1: This felt like and currently if I'm wrong, but Malick
Speaker 1: was in Oppenheimer as well, So I did see he
Speaker 1: was in Oppenheimer, wasn't he He might have been, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think he was. I'll look it up. But so
Speaker 1: it wasn't my first fora but this I felt gave.
Speaker 1: I said it to you on the radio. This did
Speaker 1: not get the Oppenheimer treatments. This not get the full up.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's because of the subject material. I do
Speaker 1: not know.
Speaker 2: This is this is I'm glad you break this up
Speaker 2: because I was talking with El Grande about this and
Speaker 2: I brought up your point with the Oppenheimer thing. I
Speaker 2: was not too well versed in in.
Speaker 1: Who he was.
Speaker 2: He needed it right, But the marketing campaign was massive
Speaker 2: behind Oppenheimer. And I'll admit a Christopher Nolan movie gets
Speaker 2: you a little bit more excited than a James Vanderbilt, agreed.
Speaker 2: Robert Downey Junior Killian Murphy. Oh god, who else was
Speaker 2: in Oppenheimer?
Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. I mentioned Robert.
Speaker 2: I'm saying who else because Murphy was nominated for Best
Speaker 2: Actor Downey won it. And I think the cast, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not recalling it right now.
Speaker 1: Lawn yes, Matt Damon.
Speaker 2: Oh, Matt Damon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The problem is Matt. The first couple of times I
Speaker 2: tried to watch Oppenheimer, it wasn't great for me. And
Speaker 2: Matt Damon doesn't appear to like seventy five minutes into
Speaker 2: the movie, and at that point it was kind of
Speaker 2: almost checked out. So the first Robie Mallick was David Hill,
Speaker 2: so he wasn't that okay. So the cast with Oppenheimer
Speaker 2: was massive. It's obviously Christopher Nolan, I think. And Grande said,
Speaker 2: why do you promote? Why do you push this movie?
Speaker 2: Because all these these older guys and in these war
Speaker 2: history buffs, you know they're gonna go see this movie anyway,
Speaker 2: So why do you promote it? And I said, well,
Speaker 2: why do you promote Oppenheimer then if that's if that's
Speaker 2: the case exactly. You know, he thought it was a waste.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a waste.
Speaker 1: I think you have to get people excited for this
Speaker 1: type of of I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it was a waste.
Speaker 1: It's set records for R rated movie. Really to the point.
Speaker 2: His point was he's of the opinion of what is good.
Speaker 2: It was gonna do that anyway. Crap, that's what he said. Okay, Now, now,
Speaker 2: why to tie that to Barbie? That was the only
Speaker 2: that was the only way to Barbenheimer, right, that was
Speaker 2: the marketing campaign. I don't know why why uh uh
Speaker 2: Nuremberg didn't tie itself to freaking Predator or something.
Speaker 1: But you get yourself. You got the PG thirteen fun
Speaker 1: popcorn flick to mixed with the Okay, now we're gonna
Speaker 1: jump into the historical.
Speaker 2: You just stumbled on a great movie they need to
Speaker 2: make not See versus Predator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, I thought you meant we were
Speaker 1: going to do the humans were holding the predators on
Speaker 1: trial for them screwing with you mane for so long.
Speaker 2: But we never know when they leave the when they
Speaker 2: leave the stand, we'd never know, Like so, yeah, well
Speaker 2: he was here a minute ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying that this I think is going to
Speaker 1: fade into the annals due to a lack of marketing.
Speaker 1: I think you and I were paying.
Speaker 2: A good point with marketing because you think the marketing
Speaker 2: is just all about getting that opening weekend push, but
Speaker 2: it's really not. It's about legacy and it's about living
Speaker 2: on past when when it's not even in theaters anymore.
Speaker 1: I didn't see Oppenheimer in theaters or Barbie for that matters.
Speaker 2: I was like, I never saw Barbie.
Speaker 1: I had to because like I saw Oppenheimer, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I got like because of the freaking marketing campaign, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna watch the other one wasn't bad.
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer is better. Yeah, But I say all that to
Speaker 1: say I caught him both when they were on streaming
Speaker 1: services because I was like, oh, notes, I got to
Speaker 1: make sure I double back and catch this. And I
Speaker 1: think if it just would have been like here's a
Speaker 1: movie about the guy that does nukes, and it's just
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, all right, I'll pass. But it was
Speaker 1: the campaign that got me coming back this one. I
Speaker 1: felt like I didn't see any trailers to it for
Speaker 1: it until the Tuesday before the movie came out, and.
Speaker 2: I saw it before that, but it was only it
Speaker 2: wasn't that.
Speaker 1: Much yea more like and I saw him, like, oh
Speaker 1: that was It actually got me excited for this podcast
Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, I didn't okay, Like it shows
Speaker 1: him walking through the through the jail there and there's
Speaker 1: people yelling on both sides, and I'm like, Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: this is actually gonna I'm into this now. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: even that little snippet and I'm willing to bet most
Speaker 1: people didn't see it, so yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 1: it did those I meant most people didn't see the ad,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't even know how many people went
Speaker 1: to go see it. You talk. You know.
Speaker 2: The other thing too, is like you're you're also talking
Speaker 2: about a movie about Herman Garrick and a guy I
Speaker 2: will I am not ashamed to say I did not
Speaker 2: know existed. I did not know who this guy was.
Speaker 1: Well, people didn't know who Oppenheimer was before the movie.
Speaker 2: I think people knew who Oppenheimer was.
Speaker 1: Like if this would have been the average American like
Speaker 1: a history buff. Sure, you're telling me the average American
Speaker 1: prior to the average American.
Speaker 2: But I think Oppenheim is a much more recognizable name
Speaker 2: than Herman.
Speaker 1: Gary.
Speaker 2: Now, if this would have been Hitler, yeah, okay, then
Speaker 2: you're talking about a significant like, but who makes a
Speaker 2: movie about Hitler?
Speaker 1: Now it's you know, not in any kind of realistic way,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. That'd be what was it? Jojo Rabbit
Speaker 1: would probably be your best bet at this point where
Speaker 1: he was in a we ever see?
Speaker 2: Would we ever see like somebody like Nicholas Cage who
Speaker 2: basically cares not what people think of him. Yeah, take
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying Nicholas Cage do it, but an
Speaker 2: actor that's just you know, way out there, and he
Speaker 2: convinces a director and a producer I want to do
Speaker 2: a Hitler biopic. Would that ever get made?
Speaker 1: No? No, never, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least not by any kind of like this era.
Speaker 1: Anybody with a million dollars can make a movie at
Speaker 1: this point and like get it on some streaming.
Speaker 2: So I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about feature
Speaker 2: film in theaters. Hitler The Untold Story or something you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think you couldn't even call it Hitler, right, Nobody
Speaker 2: would go see it if it was called a hit Now.
Speaker 1: What's funny is uh Taiko Watiti played Adolf Hitler and
Speaker 1: Jojo Jojo Rabbit. That would be my best bet. I
Speaker 1: think who would be able to play him in something else?
Speaker 1: I think it's just one of those roles.
Speaker 2: Michael Fassbender says he wants to play Hitler that movie
Speaker 2: doesn't get made.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it would. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it would too, but like you have to be done
Speaker 1: like like I just don't know how.
Speaker 2: You'd have to call it the Fall, the Fall of
Speaker 2: Hitler or something like or the Fall of the Third Reich. Yeah,
Speaker 2: something that that like intimates like, Okay, this is going
Speaker 2: to have an ending that everybody's happy with.
Speaker 1: Sure, because we're going to show him being an artist
Speaker 1: for the first thirty minutes. Yeah right, like we're going
Speaker 1: to show the human element. We're going to prices right
Speaker 1: this year, you think it came out, I hoped your
Speaker 1: weekend it's thirty six million, four point three.
Speaker 2: Oh god, it is bad. That is bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Did you see the popcorn
Speaker 1: Demeter or whatever they call. Oh no this that yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: Critics and audiences definitely different on this really.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, I'm excited to see now because I can
Speaker 1: only because the way you kind of set it up.
Speaker 1: I tried to go into this one blank and I
Speaker 1: think I did a pretty good job. But why am
Speaker 1: I spelling Oppenheimer right now?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not talking about Yeah, oh you're yeah, you
Speaker 2: gotta know, yeah, Nurember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about Nerber. Yeah, okay, all right. So
Speaker 1: they're both good though, sixty nine verse ninety six, but differvert.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm surprised that there's that much differentiation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: given the type of film that this.
Speaker 1: Is, I would agree. I would actually expect those numbers
Speaker 1: to invert. Yeah, I would expect critics to be that
Speaker 1: high on this in audiences be a little more wishy
Speaker 1: washing about it. But uh again, it's power. It's a
Speaker 1: very powerful movie. It's hard to keep people invested in
Speaker 1: a historical drama for two and a half hours. It's
Speaker 1: mostly just in a room like there's a there's there's
Speaker 1: a conversation, there's something to be said about that. It's
Speaker 1: similar to Frost Nixon, which stuck with me after having
Speaker 1: seen it, having not been alive for the actual tapes
Speaker 1: as well. And that's why that that reminiscent to me
Speaker 1: this whole time. If you're a history person, if you
Speaker 1: are one of those days, my dad is he's gonna
Speaker 1: be all over this. Oh I'm saying, my dad watches
Speaker 1: History Channel all the time. And that's exactly who this
Speaker 1: is for. And I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people who do shut their
Speaker 1: minds off during movies well have an enjoyable, well not enjoyable,
Speaker 1: but in an informative and entertaining conversation back and forth.
Speaker 1: And if you do tend to question a lot of
Speaker 1: things you say, I've been thinking about it since Monday,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, I still am ticked
Speaker 1: off that you think evil exists. And that was forty
Speaker 1: minutes ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just a greedy disagerie only. But you know, overall,
Speaker 2: I did not expect to necessarily had the reaction I
Speaker 2: did to these characters, the two main ones, Crow and
Speaker 2: Malick's character definitely view both of those stories through a
Speaker 2: different lens after seeing it.
Speaker 1: Of what I expected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then after seeing it, I definitely
Speaker 2: view them in a different different light.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I'm trying to find people that hated it.
Speaker 2: Don't go on Reddit. A ton of people on there
Speaker 2: who hated it.
Speaker 1: Don't waste your time. I wanted to leave after forty minutes. Seriously,
Speaker 1: the whole story is poorly written. Even the star power
Speaker 1: can't make it an average movie. There's no character to
Speaker 1: like or hate in the whole movie.
Speaker 2: I will say that I go back and forth on that,
Speaker 2: like of who to root for, you know.
Speaker 1: But that to me, granted, I realized there's a historical
Speaker 1: context to this, but that to me is the mark
Speaker 1: of something I saw someone else crap talking this, saying
Speaker 1: it was a Disney a Disney movie, And what I
Speaker 1: equated to one of the most egregious examples of it
Speaker 1: for me is in a very mediocre we're gonna bring
Speaker 1: it to Marvel as we always do Black.
Speaker 2: Panthers already did with the fantasification.
Speaker 1: Good point, but in Black Panther, kill Monger is the
Speaker 1: villain in that movie, and I would argue, other than
Speaker 1: Heath Ledger's Joker, it's the only other example I can
Speaker 1: think of of a villain who ends up changing the
Speaker 1: hero's mind by the end of the movie, And I
Speaker 1: think that's a cool concept to have in a movie.
Speaker 2: Did he change his mind?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like because Killmonger was like, Wakanda should be helping
Speaker 1: black people all over the world. Why are we isolating
Speaker 1: the maverreco and allowing people everywhere? And at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie black Panthers, like, we should be going
Speaker 1: all over the world with this. What are we talking
Speaker 1: about here? In that movie, he ends up making so
Speaker 1: much sense at one point that they almost have to
Speaker 1: put an obligatory here's kill Monger choking woman, so you
Speaker 1: remember that he's evil and we shouldn't be rooting for him.
Speaker 1: He was. He was one because underrated Marvel villains. Yes,
Speaker 1: because he was so sympathetic at times that they had
Speaker 1: to be like, oh no, remember this guy sucks. Here,
Speaker 1: look at this and this movie doesn't really have that.
Speaker 1: And I think because it's such a dastardly movement, i e.
Speaker 1: The Nazis, it's such it's such a bad group of
Speaker 1: people that like you're expecting that, like, oh, well, here's
Speaker 1: a Nazi doing something terrible. Moment in this story but
Speaker 1: I think the whole point was to drive home the
Speaker 1: humanity even in some evil people out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, I mean there's there's something in here
Speaker 2: for the Holocaust deniers as well, dependent upon what you
Speaker 2: think about Herman Gerrigg's testimony to the Tribunal at Nuremberg.
Speaker 1: It had a little of everything. It did. It did,
Speaker 1: and I I feel like I don't have a lot
Speaker 1: more to say about it because I think I think
Speaker 1: we've kind of run our gambit on here and I
Speaker 1: have this at like a seven and a half.
Speaker 2: Maybe I was going to say seven and a half yeaheah, Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know that could be my expectation. I just
Speaker 2: I felt like this had the potential to be super moving,
Speaker 2: like really emotionally moving. And it was, but I never
Speaker 2: really got to that, to that point where like, oh
Speaker 2: my God, that this is powerful stuff right here.
Speaker 1: I'd argue it was intellectually powerful. I don't think it
Speaker 1: was emotionally powerful in many ways, in many not to
Speaker 1: say not at all, but not as much as uh
Speaker 1: as what I was expecting.
Speaker 2: You know, now I think about this. This is about
Speaker 2: the Holocaust, this is about World War Two, that's about
Speaker 2: seventy million people dying. Yeah, and without revealing anything here,
Speaker 2: I don't think there was a character in this movie that.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a character in this movie that
Speaker 2: embodied the horrors of World War two in the Holocaust. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think there was shades of it, but there wasn't
Speaker 2: somebody who embodied it. And maybe that's for the emotional yea,
Speaker 2: why it just wasn't It wasn't.
Speaker 1: It's not what it was about.
Speaker 2: Now, people died, people died, I mean it was World
Speaker 2: War Two, like people died, So there were some stakes
Speaker 2: in this movie. But at the same time, I think
Speaker 2: you're right. I think this was more you know what,
Speaker 2: it reminded me of kind of Lincoln. Remember Lincoln, sure
Speaker 2: with Daniel d Lewis. Yeah, that was That was another
Speaker 2: one that was more of an intellectually historically accurate portrayal
Speaker 2: of what was going on post Civil War. Right, that
Speaker 2: was post war No, it was during a post right Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well it's been a while since I saw it.
Speaker 2: This was on that level. Yeah, except for you.
Speaker 1: It's one of the only things I know about Lincoln
Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't know is that he
Speaker 1: had a much higher pitched voice than we realized, and
Speaker 1: Lincoln didn't realize. Yeah I didn't know that, yeah right,
Speaker 1: it was almost raspy, like you gotta talk like that,
Speaker 1: and like you wouldn't be like seven feet tall in
Speaker 1: his frame exactly, and uh and like I always just
Speaker 1: find that funny. And I wish Daniel day Lewis, like,
Speaker 1: can I that, because it would kill it would kill
Speaker 1: the legacy, you know, because not a lot of people
Speaker 1: know this. You don't in school. I came across it
Speaker 1: on my on like some other deep time that I
Speaker 1: was doing for something else. And ever since then, I
Speaker 1: have history buffs and anytime I'm doing a Lincoln impersonation,
Speaker 1: I do with that voice, and they also know why
Speaker 1: I'm doing it, and they'll be like, of course that's
Speaker 1: the only thing you know about Abraham.
Speaker 2: Which can we replicate this somehow? I'd love to know
Speaker 2: how link do we have any audio of Lincoln.
Speaker 1: I don't looking out to send you some shit, though,
Speaker 1: because because now that I've opened your eyes to this,
Speaker 1: you google it. If you're listening to you right now,
Speaker 1: google it on your own. Go find this stuff out.
Speaker 1: I'm not making it up like he had Marphin syndrome.
Speaker 2: And that runs in my family, by the way. I've
Speaker 2: had uncles and cousins die from it. Really and and
Speaker 2: you know what's funny about this, I'm just thinking about
Speaker 2: this and realize he marphan syndrome because it's it's it's
Speaker 2: it usually affects like it makes you tall, Your your
Speaker 2: joints are super long. Everything gets your chest is conca yes,
Speaker 2: and and everything is stretched out in there as well,
Speaker 2: So it makes you really prone to like heart attacks
Speaker 2: and what have you. Sure, I wonder if like and
Speaker 2: and the people I've had my family who died from it,
Speaker 2: I don't think saw the age of fifty. Wow. I
Speaker 2: mean the one guy was in his thirties. My uncle
Speaker 2: was like early forties and he passed away. I wonder
Speaker 2: if Lincoln hadn't you been, if he wouldn't have been shot.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he was on his way out anyway,
Speaker 2: you know, because how how early people die from marfins.
Speaker 1: Intro, especially in the eighteen hundreds, especially, medical care was
Speaker 1: totally different back then. Here, let's stick a leech on there,
Speaker 1: that'll fix you right up. Yeah, right, all right. That
Speaker 1: was the patented off topic right at the end of
Speaker 1: the they I love that. I could have done a
Speaker 1: whole podcast about that right there. That was that was wonderful.
Speaker 2: Next week's episode, Lincoln, We're gonna nothing about the movie
Speaker 2: just bitch ye was going to talk about the president
Speaker 2: in general. Everything you didn't realize you needed to know
Speaker 2: about Abraham Lincoln. On next week's off topic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh what four scored seven years ago? That's child's play. Welcome,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the real history running Man next week, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: Now I'm debating I need to rewatch the original because
Speaker 2: it's been I mean that came out like mid eighties,
Speaker 2: y right, and I probably saw it in like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, thirty years ago, thirty five years ago.
Speaker 1: That's the last time you've seen it. Yeah, I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't rewatched stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Ben, They're making so much more stuff like like, I can't.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go out of my way to
Speaker 2: rewatch something like that. But now that we're doing the
Speaker 2: Glenn Powell Running Man. By the way, Glenn Powell hosting
Speaker 2: the Thanksgiving episode of Saturday Night Live this weekend. Oh wow, Okay,
Speaker 2: so I'm sure there could be some Running Man stuff
Speaker 2: in there. As well, because he'll be promoting that. From fact,
Speaker 2: I'm debating whether I need to rewatch that.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the Asian hockey player in the original
Speaker 1: Running Man?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah. So his name's Professor Tanaka. He was
Speaker 1: a studio wrestler, and in Western PA, studio wrestling was everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bruno San Martino is from the area, and so Professor
Speaker 1: Tanaka he would put a bag over your head and
Speaker 1: he would put you to sleep, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: through the magic studio wrestling. And he is the Asian
Speaker 1: guy that that is, uh, the hockey player. So Western
Speaker 1: Pa has like a special connection with Running Man. So
Speaker 1: I guess that's probably why I hit you that, Like
Speaker 1: you haven't rewatched, but like pre and Realni, why would you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no one cares about Professor Tanaka except for like seventeen people. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only reason I'd rewatch it is because if they
Speaker 2: put in some Easter eggs, I want to pick up
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, what I mean? So I guarantee you they
Speaker 1: they absolutely will. And the message of that movie is
Speaker 1: going to be the same as the message of the
Speaker 1: original movie, and it is much like The Long Walk,
Speaker 1: much like Rufe riuson much like so much that we
Speaker 1: watch unfortune this movie from nineteen eighty five. There's a
Speaker 1: line where he says something I'm paraphrasing it in the
Speaker 1: original where he says, keep a Budweiser in their hands
Speaker 1: and the butts in front of the seats, and then
Speaker 1: they won't be on the protest line. And very much
Speaker 1: is still relevant today even and I think it's absolutely
Speaker 1: worth remaking. And have you seen Scott Pilgrim Versus the World?
Speaker 1: It's fifteen years ago. Maybe that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I love that movie. It made me an Edgar Wright stand.
Speaker 1: So anything Edgar Wright does I am on board with.
Speaker 1: He was on Fallon last night.
Speaker 2: I think Edgar Wright, Stephen Stephen Colbert, Edgar Wright was
Speaker 2: one of the late night shows last night.
Speaker 1: I always wonder I'd love to see the ant Man
Speaker 1: movie that we never got to see because he was
Speaker 1: the original director and there was some kind of creative
Speaker 1: difference that he would not budge on that pissed hisney
Speaker 1: off and they ended up canning him. And not that
Speaker 1: I'm anti Paul Rudd or what the ant Man movies became,
Speaker 1: but I would have loved to see a Edgar Wright here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's not anything with Marvel. No, he tried to
Speaker 1: be too much of a creative, which is why I'm optimistic.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything about this yet, but I'm optimistic
Speaker 1: about this one.
Speaker 2: It's wild because he had Josh Brolin in this as
Speaker 2: well as Coleman Domingo, who I think is a phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Actor, and even Michael Sarah from you Know, Scott Pilgrim
Speaker 1: Versus the World.
Speaker 2: Mark Martin Hurley, who is still one of the writers
Speaker 2: on Saturday Night Life. He was part of the Please
Speaker 2: Don't Destroy trio that was on there the last few years.
Speaker 2: Martin Hurley is in this one as well. He's the
Speaker 2: one in the trailer saying, you know, I always thought
Speaker 2: this was fake, but now I know it's not, or
Speaker 2: something like that, and that's him in the trailer saying that.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited. I mean, this is more of like
Speaker 2: your type of thing, but I am this is going
Speaker 2: to be action.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Glenn Powell is fun. He's a fun guy to watch.
Speaker 2: I loved him in Top Gun two. He was fantastic.
Speaker 2: My kids thought he was great and I never saw Twisters,
Speaker 2: but they went and saw him in Twisters. You know,
Speaker 2: I never saw the Sydney Sweeney movie that he was in.
Speaker 2: I heard it was terrible. Yeah, but he does guest
Speaker 2: college picking on ESPN College Game Day, which is going
Speaker 2: to be in Pittsburgh. He's done that before when they've
Speaker 2: been down in Austin for Texas because he's a Texas guy.
Speaker 2: He just he's And there was a report that he
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned this to you. There is a
Speaker 2: report that Tom Cruise wanted Glenn Powell to take over
Speaker 2: the Mission Impossible mantle. And if there is a comparison
Speaker 2: to Tom Cruise in twenty twenty five of what Tom
Speaker 2: Cruise was in nineteen eighty five, nineteen ninety five, Glenn
Speaker 2: Paul's right up, good looking guy, great smile, like a
Speaker 2: good actor.
Speaker 1: Wrong as he does his stunts. I think we're in business.
Speaker 2: Expedibles three he was an Expedibles three, so I forgot
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was great in that, which well I'm not.
Speaker 2: That's why I listen, man, you get all those expendables
Speaker 2: guys together for I'm gonna love it no matter what.
Speaker 2: It could be the worst shlock ever and I will absolutely.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and I realized we're doing the thing
Speaker 1: we always do at the end of the episode. It's
Speaker 1: the reason why I don't want to review The Predators,
Speaker 1: the New Predators movie, because you don't make it pg. Thirteen.
Speaker 1: The first two expendables were are the third one's pg.
Speaker 1: Three teen.
Speaker 2: Get that shit out of here. Now here's the thing.
Speaker 2: It was not as good as the first two, but
Speaker 2: I still love.
Speaker 1: It was fine, Well, it was better than that. Didn't
Speaker 1: they make a fourth one? The fourth one was better
Speaker 1: than the third one?
Speaker 2: Now it was the fourth one with fifty yeah, I
Speaker 2: think yeah, And and they didn't have a lot of
Speaker 2: the original cast was missing on that one. They made
Speaker 2: the fourth one, and I didn't find out they made
Speaker 2: the fourth one till like.
Speaker 1: A year or two after.
Speaker 2: I was talking with Sturfry at work and we're te
Speaker 2: he's talking, what expendables for? I'm like, oh, yeah, I'd
Speaker 2: love to see him make that.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, they did. It came out last October.
Speaker 2: What How am I? How do I not know that
Speaker 2: expendables for is a thing?
Speaker 1: So late? A minute? Late a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: You get this excited for expendables, you're gonna be like, look, Ronny,
Speaker 1: my own's more your kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's it's not the same thing, because Running
Speaker 2: Man is not the whole impetus for making the expendables
Speaker 2: was Sylvester Stallone saying, what happened to those great eighties
Speaker 2: movies where there was no plot? There was just blood
Speaker 2: and bullets and gore and death and you know, and
Speaker 2: so he decided to bring back everybody from the you know,
Speaker 2: he had Chuck Norris Stone, called Steve Austin, Terry Crews,
Speaker 2: Wesley Snipes, Jet Lee, I'm forgetting, Dolf Lungern.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm forget you know, all these people. You got
Speaker 1: like half of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a Terry cruise, Mel Gibson, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 2: Jehan Claude Van Dam, Randy Oh was the guy.
Speaker 1: Randy Orton was at his name, he was in it.
Speaker 1: Steve Austin was absolutely now now running Man.
Speaker 2: If you were just somehow Schwartzenegger, Bruce Willis forgot about
Speaker 2: them too, if you were to somehow bring back a
Speaker 2: cavalcade of all these actors where it's just like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, this is like an eighties action movie wet dream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm all about it.
Speaker 2: But it's a remake of action of an eighties action movie,
Speaker 2: none of the original eighties actors. You don't think we'll
Speaker 2: get a little snippet of Arnold. We might get a snippet.
Speaker 2: Expendables was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: But it was. So that's that's why I get crazy.
Speaker 1: Allow it. I'll allow it. I'm optimistic about this. I
Speaker 1: feel like, hold on.
Speaker 2: If we would have done this, let's say you get
Speaker 2: Schwarzenegger and you get all these other just like four
Speaker 2: of them, four or five of them, Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: call it expendables five. Yeah, I'm totally gonna love it.
Speaker 2: You know, The Running Man Colon Expable Gerles five Colin
Speaker 2: The Running Man rated R.
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