WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:01.199 I'm already m M. 2 00:00:01.560 --> 00:00:05.120 Should we open this episode in German? 3 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:08.800 Do you know any German? Vos knoxtew and dynam fright site. 4 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:10.640 I don't know that one. Yeah, what do you do 5 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:13.279 in your free time? What do you know in German? Uh? 6 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.519 Bit a bit of vases taleta. 7 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:20.760 Where's the toilet? Yeah? Please please? Where's the toilet? Yeah? 8 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:21.879 That's it. That's all I know. 9 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:24.760 I actually and eins by Dry I know that too. 10 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:27.079 That's funny to those of you listening to the podcast 11 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:29.199 right now, that's bulky. I'm ben. You didn't know I 12 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:31.440 took German for five years in high school. I did 13 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:35.479 not know. I actually can speak at these not like fluidly. 14 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:37.280 I haven't been in high school in twenty years. 15 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:39.520 Hold on, you had five years of German in high school? 16 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:41.679 Yeah? How did you have five years of high school? 17 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:45.000 So you started your first year of language was in 18 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:47.399 eighth grade, so you you got a little bit of 19 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:49.439 a dabbling in seventh grade. And then the girl I 20 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:51.719 had a crush on shows German in seventh grade, so 21 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:57.320 I picked German red flag and then and then now 22 00:00:57.479 --> 00:00:59.960 now here we are, now I can I can ask 23 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:02.079 you what you do in your free time or yeah 24 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:06.799 voiss bleischiff spitzer, which is where is the pencil sharpener? Wow? 25 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.040 You know I did three years of Spanish in high 26 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:12.599 school and I've forgotten most of it. Yeah, I just 27 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:15.319 we had to because I went to a parochial school 28 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:19.280 and you had to take a language and your three 29 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:23.680 choices were Prochioal Lutheran parochial school. Your choices were German, 30 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:26.280 Spanish or Latin. And I was like, well, nobody speaks Latin. 31 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:28.640 The guys who are going to become pastors and the 32 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:30.599 guys and girls who are going to become teachers. Maybe 33 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.040 they took Latin, especially the guys for past being a pastor, 34 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:36.040 there's a heavy Latin influence. 35 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:36.359 Yea. 36 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:39.840 You know, as you got up and graduated, I never 37 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:41.959 thought I was going to use German in real life. 38 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:44.680 But I thought, hey, Spanish, I could have some meaningful 39 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:48.959 real world usefulness. So I took Spanish, and you're supposed 40 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:51.040 to take four years. I took three because I didn't 41 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:55.599 like it number one and I decided to quit, not 42 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:58.760 take senior Spanish. Fourth year Spanish, and I took co 43 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:03.040 ed home economic instead, Nice, where I sewed pants and 44 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:05.959 fried donuts. Nice and it was wonderful. 45 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:09.400 Yeah, we were required two years. Let me ask. We 46 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:11.840 had all the same languages, but we also had French 47 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:14.000 as an option. Yeah, we did not have French. I regret. 48 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.400 I feel like I'd be much more of a ladies 49 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:17.360 man if I could, like. 50 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:21.080 There, there, there, there is more. 51 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:23.960 It is a suave language, I agree. I don't know 52 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.039 if that's a stereotype for what it is, but German's 53 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:30.120 an ugly language, and I took it harsh, hurtful. 54 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:34.400 I mean, like embodying everything about the Nazis that you 55 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:36.240 don't like. I mean not that you like anything about 56 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:39.120 the Nazis, but but I'm not dressers. Yeah, they are 57 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:42.919 snampy dressers that and and dedicated. You know, I'm gonna 58 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:45.319 get in some trouble here if I start, you know what, 59 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.439 So we're I wanna I want to Okay, I'm gonna 60 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:50.719 do this right now, Ben, there is a lot we're 61 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:55.080 talking about Nuremberg, Russell Crowe, Romie Malik, James Vanderbilt directing. 62 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:59.120 Also saw John Slattery in this movie Leo Woodhall. 63 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:02.520 It's all that's standing out to me right now. Yeah, 64 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:03.879 it sounds about right. Anyway. 65 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.960 There I saw some reviews for this, and people thought 66 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.879 it was too not pro Nazi, because I mean, nobody 67 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:16.719 makes a pro Nazi movie, sure, but too Nazi sympathetic. 68 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:22.599 Did you find that the humanization of Russell Crowe's Hermann 69 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:25.000 Garrig character, which, by the way, this is all based 70 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:27.879 on a novel that came out in twenty thirteen called 71 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:32.800 The Nazi and the Psychiatrist by James Hygen. I can't 72 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:37.520 remember what his name was, but this all happened in 73 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:40.240 real life at the Nuremberg Trials post World War Two, 74 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:44.439 so all these characters were based on real people. And 75 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.479 some of the reviews I read said that they felt 76 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:52.000 that this was too sympathetic to the Nazis, to the 77 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:56.800 Nazi plight, to what it was like to be a Nazi, 78 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.599 and humanizing it a little bit, which is what you 79 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:02.400 told me after you saw this. 80 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:06.560 I called it the thanosification, the thanosification of like, well, 81 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:10.240 listen the heat. They're wrong, yeah, but I get it. 82 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:13.400 Thanos wanted to kill half of existence, but he said 83 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:15.879 it was because we were running out of resource. Right. 84 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.279 I'm not saying it was the right approach, but I'm 85 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:22.120 saying you can at least understand the logic I totally get, 86 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.639 and especially because neither one of us has skin in 87 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:30.600 the German Jewish game. Here right now, I am not well. 88 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.000 I mean, I do have a heavy German heritage, but 89 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:34.720 I don't identify with. 90 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:37.519 German thank you, right, yeah exactly. It's like I was, 91 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:38.079 I'm white. 92 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:40.519 But to my knowledge, I've never been a slave owner. 93 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:44.240 Yes, yeah exactly, And so far be it from me 94 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.319 to criticize anybody who maybe has a little bit of 95 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.000 Jewish lineage, even like some of the stuff that they saw, 96 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:53.319 but as as a third party observer, as somebody who 97 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:55.959 not to get too philosophical. But I've had this conversation 98 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:58.240 outside the box. I don't believe in the idea of evil. 99 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:01.079 I don't believe that anybody. I don't believe that somebody 100 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:04.000 goes into something thinking they're the bad guy. Ever, I 101 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:07.000 don't think any I believe in greed, I believe in laziness, 102 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:09.839 I believe in self preservation. I believe in a number 103 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:13.839 of all those things evil. I think they're negative motivating factors. 104 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.480 But I think I think if Hitler were around today, 105 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:18.199 he'd be like I was trying to save the economy, 106 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:19.800 and I thought this was the like, I don't think 107 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:22.120 he's right. I'm not trying to justify it. I'm saying 108 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:23.480 I don't buy into the eye. 109 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:26.040 I think there are some people because that believe they 110 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:29.079 are the bad guy, and they they relish that really 111 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:32.399 yeah one hundred percent. See they're touched in the head. Yeah, 112 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:35.279 you know there there's a chemical imbalanced there. But I 113 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.360 do I mean, I think about certain serial killers or 114 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.600 serial robbers or you know, just serial criminals, that they 115 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:44.720 do it because they like being bad. 116 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:45.759 You know. 117 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:48.519 Now that's not true of everybody, but I do believe 118 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:49.360 it's true of some people. 119 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:52.639 I would need I would need specific examples. The line 120 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:55.240 I use on my show is the joker's not real. 121 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:59.079 There's there's there's not a real life person who's like 122 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:03.839 I just don't. Yeah, Like like that exists maybe in 123 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:07.680 a in a worldwide scope when you talk about terrorism 124 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.040 and people that are coming from countries that have nothing 125 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:13.879 mad about something else totally, but in terms of you 126 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:17.839 watch the the quote unquote crime every single day, or hell, 127 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.920 the way we're work as Americans were pitted against each other. 128 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.800 We're like, this person thinks this because they're evil, Like, nah, 129 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:26.759 they don't they they they don't. They think deficit spending 130 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:28.120 is bad or something like that. 131 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:30.959 But they're okay, but let me okay, what about uh, 132 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:34.040 let's use the Young Republican thing that happened. Yeah, a 133 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:36.839 couple couple of weeks ago, right, Yeah, some pretty vile 134 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:40.439 stuff set on there. Sure, I believe that that a 135 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:44.120 lot of the stuff on there, regardless of your political. 136 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:46.199 Affiliation. 137 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:50.120 Affiliation, Yeah, it was not humanizing, like I mean, it 138 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:52.399 was totally dehumanizing, which I think is evil. 139 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.639 But you're saying that there was not saying it's racist. 140 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:57.000 I'm saying it's big. 141 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.600 Isn't it? But isn't Are both those things evil? 142 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.800 I be Racism comes from ignorance and fear. That's the 143 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:04.879 whole point of this movie, is, like, I believe it 144 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.079 comes from places that aren't necessarily evil. It's not intelligent. 145 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:10.199 I don't condone it. I would hope that you could 146 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:12.959 educate somebody to talk about these kind of things better. 147 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:16.720 But at that point, but there's racists out there and 148 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:21.839 people who who know that it's evil to you know, 149 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.319 people who relish in killing or people who relish in 150 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:27.959 murdering people just because of a race that they're like, 151 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:29.920 it's fine if you don't like. I mean, it's not 152 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.279 fine that you like, but you know what I mean, Like, 153 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.000 I understand, like you know, people might have problems with 154 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:39.519 other races or whatever. But I also understand that you 155 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:43.319 can believe that in real life and live that life 156 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:49.120 and still not take pleasure in absolutely unleashing hurt, pain 157 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.920 and death onto those people. Yeah, which I think some 158 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.040 people do. I'm right there with you, and that is evil, 159 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:57.519 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think you are right 160 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:02.040 by and large with nearly yeah, all people, But I 161 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:03.439 do think that there are exceptions. 162 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:05.480 There are very distinct exceptions. 163 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.120 Yes, So I'm going to say that evil does exist, 164 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:10.079 like it's out there all right, but it's maybe not 165 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:12.959 as prevalent as we think because we all fall in 166 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:18.360 line with our own you know, to your point, we 167 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:20.959 all believe whatever we believe. We believe it because we 168 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.199 believe we're right. Nobody believes in something because they believe 169 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.480 they're on the wrong side of it. They believe in 170 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:28.480 something because they believe they're on the right side of it. 171 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:30.240 Yeah. Absolutely, the number of people. 172 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:32.080 It's an awfully heavy beginning to this postcast. 173 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:34.279 Now I love it. I love because it's it's it's 174 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:37.919 the conversation the movie demands, and I think a lot 175 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:40.279 of people who are negative towards it, who think it 176 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:44.200 was sympathetic, are struggling to grasp it. From this perspective, 177 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:45.960 I think it's it's not. 178 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.559 I don't think they're struggling to grasp it to find 179 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:51.039 out that, hey, Herman Garring was actually a person who 180 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:54.879 had a family, and he explained why he did what 181 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:57.960 he did in this movie. I think that the conversation 182 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:02.360 is about why did this get made, especially with all 183 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:07.679 the what do you call it? Right now? Anti Semitism 184 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:12.519 sure is making a comeback apparently, And why is this 185 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:14.679 being made in twenty two Why do we have to 186 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.960 Why are we seeing the perspective of this person in 187 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.919 twenty twenty five with all this Jewish hate going on? 188 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:24.720 Why is this being made? I think that's the problem 189 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:28.200 people have with this, more so than the way Herman 190 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:29.720 Garring was portrayed in this movie. 191 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:32.039 I could answer it, but things might get uncomfortable. I 192 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:34.879 think I know why the movie We go ahead. Yeah. 193 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:38.200 I think we are in a very divisive time where 194 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.279 a lot a lot of people disagree and view each 195 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:44.639 other as the enemy. Possibly as evil. And I think 196 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:48.559 you take the most extreme version, you take a Nazi, 197 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:52.200 and you humanize that person to the point of like, Okay, 198 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:55.360 this person was responsible for a genocide, this person was 199 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:59.480 responsible for violence of unspeakable amounts, all in the name 200 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:02.919 of nash and making sure that his people are able 201 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:06.320 to continue at the expense of another people. Here in 202 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:08.720 my own world, I get people who message me all 203 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:10.480 the time and say, Ben, I don't agree with the 204 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:13.000 thing you say, but you're providing me with a perspective. 205 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.120 It allows me to at least understand why people think 206 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:17.879 I can't believe you get a whole lot of that. 207 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:19.879 You'd be surprised, I'd be. 208 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:22.360 I would be shocked if there's that many well adjusted 209 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:25.519 people who can listen to what you say, yeah and 210 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:26.559 still have that reaction. 211 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:29.000 Yeah. It still happens to this day, and I think 212 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:30.919 it's the nicest thing that you can hear. But by 213 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.639 doing this movie, by doing it now, when I went 214 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:36.720 into it, I was expecting some kind of slop and 215 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:39.080 some kind of metaphor for ice or something like. I 216 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:41.200 was like, Oh, this is going to be divisive, and 217 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.600 I came out of it thinking like I can. 218 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.919 Go into these movies it with such a cynic mind. Yeah, 219 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:50.799 this whole I mean, like you just you walk in 220 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.720 with this poisonous film over over your your your, your 221 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:57.000 whole body when you walk in, and like I just 222 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:01.159 go in crisp, clean, naked, like just jealous. 223 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:03.399 But this is how you're wife. 224 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:06.440 I get it, you know, And and you know, sometimes 225 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:10.039 I wish I went in too, because I'm not when 226 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:14.080 it comes to like world issues, political stuff, you know, 227 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:19.240 social stuff, I'm not as smart and well versed. 228 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:20.559 You just don't dive into it. 229 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:22.840 I don't dive into it at all matter and and 230 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:25.919 so then so then it's awkward for me when I 231 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.679 see something or somebody's talking to me about something that 232 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.159 I feel like, God, I should really have a better 233 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:32.639 handle on knowing what this is all about than I 234 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:35.919 actually do. And and sometimes I think that is a 235 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:38.440 better way to view a movie, maybe more so documentaries, 236 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:40.879 but that's that is sometimes a better way to view 237 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:44.080 when we view a movie than just coming in fresh 238 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:44.559 and cold. 239 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.120 But if you're going to answer the question why make 240 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.559 this movie, you have to kind of take the context 241 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:52.799 of today into accounts when when you because otherwise, why 242 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.440 why would you release it. Why did Bigonia come out? Now? 243 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:57.759 Why why did it feel? And like? Because it's a 244 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:01.120 conspiracy written world do we live in today? In this 245 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.399 one I found myself reminiscent enough. But conspiracy theorists are 246 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:07.200 not Nazis. No, oh no, I didn't mean to imply that. 247 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:09.720 I just mean it's relevant to today's time. It is 248 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.000 wrapped both. Yes, I think the Nazis were used in 249 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.759 this movie again to highlight, like, you know, maybe a 250 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.519 conservative could listen to a liberal and at least gain 251 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:21.600 some perspective, not come away, Agreen. I don't think anybody 252 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:24.399 walked out of this movie being like, you know, maybe 253 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:26.519 the Nazis got a bum wrap like. I don't think 254 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:28.799 this movie went out of its way at any points 255 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:30.080 to try and portray in that way. 256 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:32.840 And I will say too, Herman Garring was the story, 257 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:35.000 but you had all these other guys hesse and. 258 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:38.399 Laugh. What was his name? 259 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:41.360 God, you're always all these other I mean it was 260 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:44.360 twenty two. It was twenty two Nazi officers that were 261 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:44.840 on trial. 262 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:45.120 Here. 263 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:49.200 Now the focus is on Gearing and then Doug Kelly, 264 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:53.200 the psychiatrist, romy Mallock's character kind of their relationship, but 265 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:58.600 those other ones, Yeah, were not portrayed in a very humanizing, 266 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:02.360 numb sympathy matter. Maybe towards the end we got it 267 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:06.240 with one of them, Julius I can't remember his last name, 268 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:10.200 the guy who ultimately wouldn't put his clothes on. Yeah, 269 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:12.559 and I think that was a little bit more humanizing. 270 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:14.759 But for the most part, those guys came off really 271 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:20.559 not cool. It was they were easy to hate. 272 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:22.320 Yeah, you know, and that's the way it should be. 273 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:24.240 I don't think you want to be accused of doing 274 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.840 this the wrong way here, And I found myself reminiscent 275 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.159 of I don't know if you saw Frost v. Nixon 276 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:31.840 where they did. 277 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.159 The That was Frank Langella and I can't remember Michael 278 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:36.200 Sheen was the other one. 279 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:40.159 Yeah. Yeah, And it's almost just like a conversation that's 280 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:44.000 so captivating you can't look away. And obviously not as extreme, 281 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:46.559 but this kind of gave me very similar vibes to 282 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.840 that movie. The entire time that I was watching it, 283 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:53.200 I oftentimes used the barometer of was I scrolling when 284 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:55.600 I was watching the movie? Yeah, And this movie has 285 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:59.000 scroll written all over it, right, it's a conversation. I 286 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.360 didn't look away. I was like, oh, this is and 287 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.240 again I was caught off guard. I said it on 288 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.320 the radio and I'll say it here again for the podcast. 289 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.720 I was expecting much more legal drama. Yea. I was 290 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:09.080 expecting the actual. 291 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:11.919 Law of the law part of it, which that wasn't 292 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:13.639 I mean, that was a good chunk. 293 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:15.200 Of the movies. It was a decent junk, but that 294 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:17.559 definitely not the majority of it. And it's not the 295 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:21.320 focal point either. And there's plenty of movies in literature 296 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:23.159 about that kind of stuff if you want to educate 297 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:25.000 yourself about it. But I did go into it with 298 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:28.000 a very different mindset and I was I don't want 299 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:30.480 to say pleasantly, but I was definitely caught off guard 300 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:32.960 by how I ultimately ended up coming out thinking about 301 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:34.279 this movie. I think that. 302 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:38.240 If I had one criticism, and this is a me thing, 303 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:43.200 this is not a maybe other viewers felt it was tough. 304 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.480 The Russell Crowe German accent thing. Yeah, I you know, 305 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:51.960 accents in general I don't deal well with, which is again, 306 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.000 I think that's a me thing. When he starts speaking 307 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:00.440 German at the in the first scene, I'm like, man, 308 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:04.200 is he speaking German? This whole movie, and you. 309 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:05.879 Say you don't deal well with them because you're good 310 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:07.879 at impressions, You're good at changing your line. 311 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:09.759 I just feel I feel like I'm paying it well 312 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.200 maybe okay, because of that, Like I notice that more 313 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.679 so then when I do an impersonation or impression, I 314 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:17.960 pick up on the little. 315 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:21.240 Nuances. 316 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:25.120 Yeah, that that make the impression that much better. And 317 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:27.960 so maybe when I see somebody it, you know, in 318 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.320 a manner, the way that they talk, or an accent, 319 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.240 I start paying attention more into the actual delivery and 320 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:37.600 the way the words are presented rather than the meaning 321 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:38.799 behind the words. 322 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:40.000 I should be. 323 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:43.399 Paying attention to the content, and I'm paying attention to 324 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:45.720 the accent, you know. And so that's why I say 325 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:47.120 I don't deal well with it, because I think some 326 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:49.000 of it And again I think this is a me thing. 327 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:51.840 And it did get easier as the movie went on, 328 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:52.360 for sure. 329 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:54.919 Just to relate to that statement, I listen to a 330 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:57.440 lot of rap, and if people don't edit their breaths 331 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:59.759 the right way, I start hearing the breaths and not 332 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:02.519 the words. So I know exactly what you mean because 333 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:04.399 I start listening for that noise, and all of a 334 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:06.840 sudden I have no idea what's being said anymore, because 335 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:09.480 I'm too busy focusing on that. This didn't happen to 336 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:12.000 me with Russell with this particular instance. But I'm sure 337 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:14.279 if I thought about it long enough, I could probably 338 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:16.679 think of an of an actor or an example of 339 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:18.720 something that was that I'll give you. I'll give you this. 340 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:21.120 This guy isn't an actor. But there's one of the 341 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:23.279 fantasy football shows I do. I have a person from 342 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:26.559 the industry come on with me for two hours every 343 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:28.600 Thursday night and we chop it up about fantasy football. 344 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:29.320 I have a. 345 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.240 Rotation for about a year, like I have these guests 346 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.639 on once a year. Okay, one of the guests that 347 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:38.840 I have on super smart, brilliant guy right, and I 348 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:41.039 listened to his He does another podcast as well, and 349 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:43.519 I listen to it because it's great content. But he 350 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:47.080 has this thing when when he talks, he'll be like, 351 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.320 I'm gonna tell you about this. I'm gonna tell you 352 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:51.159 about this. I'm gonna say why I think about this, 353 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.240 and then I'm gonna tell you about this and tell 354 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.840 you why I think this like it's it's and and 355 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:02.600 like all I and it's He's so brilliant. He's so smart. 356 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.279 But that's all I notice, you know, And I'm not 357 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:07.920 saying Russell Crowe is to that level, yeah, because it 358 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:11.039 wasn't a lot of people I think, for as far 359 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.039 as performances go, held Russell Crowe's performance in pretty high 360 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:17.640 regarding this, and I thought it was good. I he 361 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:20.440 must it's tough to play a sympathetic Nazi. 362 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.119 I totally agree. And I do eventually want to get 363 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:25.640 into a conversation about how many liberties you think were 364 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:28.000 taken in the portrayal of these characters. So we'll get 365 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.759 oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah in a second here. But 366 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:35.279 I will say I am always pleasantly surprised. And I've 367 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:37.519 heard he's a jerk. I don't know anything about anything 368 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.359 that's done as personal. Do you know he when filming ended. 369 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:42.359 I was talking with this with El Grande, our mutual 370 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:46.079 friend El Grounde yesterday. When filming ended for Nuremberg, Russell 371 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:48.559 Crowe weighed two hundred and seventy seven pounds. I mean, 372 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:51.599 he was pretty big in this movie. 373 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:54.279 Seven he lost fifty five pounds down to two twenty two. 374 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:56.559 I saw the side by side. It's pretty impressive. That 375 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:58.960 isant and I heard he gave up the bottle too, 376 00:17:58.960 --> 00:17:59.960 which I can't confirm. 377 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.519 Yeah, and he also had put on a lot of weight, 378 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:04.519 not for a role though, like I remember, he was 379 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:07.799 one of the biggest women a decade ago. We're like, 380 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:09.920 how's this guy still get roles when he puts on 381 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:12.480 all But like, realistically, he's one of the greatest actors 382 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:14.519 of our generation and you really haven't seen him a 383 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.200 lot lately, which which I'm looking up right now. He 384 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:21.200 has a straight to Netflix road rage movie and I'm 385 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.240 trying to see what Wow, what the title unhinged where 386 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:27.880 a woman cuts him off in traffic. It's like an 387 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:29.920 actress you've never heard of, and she's in the car 388 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:32.799 with her son. Yeah, and she cuts him off on 389 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:35.599 a day when Russell Crowe caught his wife cheating on him. 390 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:37.359 So he's already having a bad day and he decides, 391 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:39.480 I'm gonna kill this woman and gonna make her life 392 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:42.759 a living hell. Until we get to that point it is, 393 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:46.680 it has no business having an actor that good in 394 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:50.200 that movie. And he is just acting circles around everyone 395 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.559 else and you can tell I'm sure it was for paycheck, 396 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:54.720 but he's sure as hell didn't mail it in. Yeah, 397 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:56.319 and he shows up doing this stuff and you have 398 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:58.240 to sit there wondering he's from twenty twenty. It's available 399 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:02.519 on Netflix. That one's where check as well. But it 400 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:04.440 makes you wonder this guy just fell from grace. He 401 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:06.200