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dot com. So August twenty sixth, So what eight days
from now is the ninety sixth anniversary of the Hebron massacre.
This was in Hebron in the Palestine Territory the Mandate
under British control after World War One, and sixty seven
were killed. Sixty seven Jews were killed at the hands
of the Arabs, another fifty eight or so injured, and
it bore much of the same resemblance to the October
seventh attack by Hamas on Israel. But this was sort
of the first of its kind. And this is what
Jardina Schwartz, author of ghosts of the Holy War. This
is where she begins marking the current trouble like, because
this riot in Hebron began what we then have seen
for the next ninety six years. The riot was prompted
by false rumors that the Jews were planning to attack
and demolish the Alli Mosque in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1: It was not true. It was a lie.
Speaker 2: It was a rumor that was spread by the Grand
Mufti because he was corrupt and he was getting a
lot of examination and people were mad at his corruption,
the way he was siphoning funds out of these Muslim
institutions like the.
Speaker 1: Schools and.
Speaker 2: Mosques and such and using it to build all sorts
of fancy stuff for himself. And so to quiet the critics,
he started spreading this rumor through the mosques that the
Jews were planning to attack the Aloxa Mosque. That's also
by the way, the Temple Mount. It's a holy site
for the Jews. Also, Jews at this time could not
own land. They were prohibited under the Ottoman Empire. They
were prohibited from owning land. They were second class citizens,
and they were you know, regularly discriminated against.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: This Lie goes out, the rumors get whipped up, and
then Hebron there's another mosque called the Ibrahemi Mosque, and
that was also part of the rumor, which was after
they take Alaxa, they're going to take the Ibrahemi Mosque,
And so that prompted the riots and the torture and
murder of Jews in Hebron. After this massacre, the British
authorities evacuated all of the Jews from the city, took
them all out. So why is this the beginning?
Speaker 1: Again?
Speaker 2: This is Yardina Schwartz. She appeared on for a conversation
with jviiv retig Gour. He's got his YouTube channel, ask
Hove anything.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 2: A correspondent for the Times of Israel, and she makes
the case that this is really the beginning of the
Israeli Palestinian conflict.
Speaker 3: Nineteen twenty nine wasn't the first time tensions had erupted
in Palestine between Arabs and Jews. They had been simmering
for years, as you mentioned. In nineteen twenty there was
the Nebi Musa riots, But nineteen twenty nine was the
first mass casualty event of this conflict, and it's Also
when the forces that drive this conflict today, particularly Alaxa
Mosque and this supposed Jewish plot which continues today to
destroy Alexa and rebuild the Jewish Temple, this is when
that disinformation campaign begins and we see how it has
continued to fuel violence for the last century.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's no coincidence.
Speaker 3: That October seventh was called the Alaxa floods, no coincidence
that Hamas presents itself as the defenders of Alaxa against
the Jews.
Speaker 4: Their logo there icon.
Speaker 3: Is Alaxa with guns in front of it, the entire resistance.
If you listen to their own words, it's about protecting Alaxa,
liberating Alaxa. When the Palestinian leaders talk about liberation, it's
not a liberation in the sense that we know it
in the West. It's a liberation of holy Muslim land
from Jewish contamination. These aren't my word, these aren't their words.
Speaker 1: Right, any Jews on the land. Right.
Speaker 2: So when you fast forward to the time when Israel
is created, right, that's and then you hear of the
the Nakba, which is what the Palestinians and the apologists
for Hamas, they cite this as this was the catastrophe
where all of the Palestinians, you know, were moved off.
Speaker 1: Displaced off the land.
Speaker 2: But I would submit the Nakba was actually a catastrophe
because it was a humiliation because these apes, dogs, snakes.
Speaker 1: All pigs.
Speaker 2: This is how the Jews were described by the Arabs.
They were second class citizens, were the Jews. And after
this Hebron massacre, you see the building up of the
what would become later the Israel Defense Forces the IDF.
At the time, it was called the Haganah, and this
is when they began to take a more than just
simply a defensive posture, right. The Haganad then said no,
we're going to now take active measures, and they actually
created some problems apparently inside the Haganah itself, because there
were people that are like, no, no, we're just defensive
only in that sort of thing. So you end up
with the rise of this militia to defend the Jews.
And when Israel gets its territory from the Nations, which
they were super excited about, even though they only got
a tiny little chunk of the massive area that is
like Jordan and Egypt and like all of these other
massive countries all around them, and they carved out this
chunk for the Arabs in the Palestine Mandate, and they
carved out area for the Jews in the Palestine Mandate,
which was the territory that the British were occupying after
World War One when the Ottoman Empire fell, right, so, okay,
so Jews are really happy about it. And then they
were immediately attacked and they repelled the what six or
seven Arab countries that attacked them. That's the humiliation, that's
the catastrophe. The catastrophe is that they couldn't get the
Jews off of their land. They view it as their land.
And how dare the Jews be on this land? You're
not allowed to be on this land. Your second class citizens,
You don't even you don't get the right to own
own land in our societies. Now you get a whole country.
Excuse me, No, that's not that is not cool. By
the way, a year before the Hebron massacre, the Muslim
Brotherhood was founded nineteen twenty eight in Egypt by Hassan Albana,
and their stated mission has always been the same, which
is the establishment of a global caliphate governed by Sharia law.
The Brotherhood has always attempted to position itself as a
political organization, but it's political in the way that Lenin
was political. Think subversion through infiltration or revolution through stealth.
This is a piece by Josh hammer Over at hotair
dot com. HAMAS is not merely inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood.
It is the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian Arab branch. The link
is unambiguous. Article two of Hamas's founding charter states quote
the Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of
Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine.
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Got a message from Russ who says, loving all the
background stuff today the Hamas Kids cartoon show is far
more insidious than I knew. Side note regarding the Sikhs
in Britain fighting back. I'm no authority on the Sikhs,
but my understanding is that they are an honor culture,
mostly peaceful, but also a warrior culture. Training in martial
arts seems to be pretty widespread, and people who have
served alongside them say they are extremely competent and ferocious fighters.
The diaspora, at least, seems to be very peaceful and friendly.
Unless pushed, they are not to be messed with. That
is my impression of them as well. Let's jump over
and chat with Marcus. Hello, Marcus, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Hey, and great show as usual. I'm forced I missed
a bunch of at first, and I'm gonna have to
miss them up here in a little bit too. I'll
beginning my next drop. But I just wondered, and they
tell me I forgot about downloading the podcast. But yes,
did have you mentioned anything about the English belfour papers
or the English white papers that come out? But at
the same time, I have not.
Speaker 2: That's not part of this. I'm talking about the Hebron massacre.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I talked about that.
Speaker 2: I've talked about the Balfour declaration before. Is probably right
after the October seventh massacre in Israel. I did a
deep dive on that.
Speaker 5: Right all right, Well, I didn't know because it was
kind of up telling them what y'all talking about and
the Masters and everything that took place in the MASTI
that the two different papers with the English English being
in charge, everything kind of escalated everything like that.
Speaker 2: And well yeah, they they well, yeah, the English did
not want to be there. They did not want it.
They they wanted to get out and that's why. Yeah,
they they drew up the partition plan and stuff, and
they you know, they put the what Jerusalem under the
control of like an Arab I think it's called like
the the Wak or something like that, where it's uh,
it's governed by like Jordan and Egypt I think they've
gotten and the Palestinian representative something like that.
Speaker 1: So like these the.
Speaker 5: Holy sites mess everything. Yeah, they kind of made a mess.
Everything was already messed.
Speaker 1: Up, yeah, very much.
Speaker 2: And then they drew a bunch of arbitrary lines all
over the place, creating these nation states out of you know,
different tribes and clans that you know, probably should not
have been part of the same nation state because they
had you know, long standing feuds or you know, bad
feelings and animosities and stuff. So yeah, the British didn't.
I don't think they did a lot of good work.
This wasn't their best work.
Speaker 5: No, no, that that wasn't their finest hour by and
no shirt.
Speaker 1: Well well not at all. I appreciate it, Marcus, thanks
for the call, sir.
Speaker 2: Now, the British were there during this nineteen twenty nine
Hebron massacre. I mentioned this, I think in the last
at the end of the last hour, where you know,
Jews were being slaughtered by their Arab neighbors, literally their neighbors,
people that they had you know, worked with, they had
you know, been in town with, that they had dined with,
and then they came and murdered them, and you know,
while they were running to British authorities for protection. In
her books, she describes one of the scenes Yardina Schwartz describes,
you know, there's a British soldier on horseback with a
firearm and does nothing to quell the riot, does not
fire the gun, does not do anything to save these
Jews that are being massacred at his feet. And it's
only when the mob starts to attack his horse. Is
when he starts firing and the crowd runs away like
that's that was the kind of situation that the British
allowed to unfold. And is that because these were Jewish people.
I don't know, I don't know a year oh, and
I did get this message also because.
Speaker 1: To do.
Speaker 2: The Muhammad al Husseini, that's the Grand Mufti who was corrupt,
who spread these lies that the Jews were going to
attack the Alosa Mosque and then after that they were
going to move on on the Brahemi Mosque in Hebron,
and that's what prompted the riots. This was a propaganda
campaign that ran a year before the riots erupted. And
this was done by the Grand Mufti to distract the
population from his corruption where he was siphoning pounds British money.
He was siphoning this money out of the coffers of
various Islamic institutions in order to build himself a mansion
and a hotel I think, and whatever. So like, he
had a lot of scandal, he had a lot of
corruption around him, and he starts this rumor campaign in
order to distract the population. And this has been something
by the way, that we have seen persist in the
Middle East ever since, like this constant demonization that the
Jews and America is doing all of this stuff in
order to keep you down. And that's the reason you're poor, whatever,
it's been a distract away from the abuses of these
tyrannical authoritarian governments that have been in these nations for
the last one hundred years. So there's one more clip
I'll play from Jordana Schwartz, and this gets to what
I think is really the heart of this issue now,
which is rejectionism. She calls it rejection of coexistence. And
there is no way forward for any kind of a
quote two states solution. There's no way forward on that
because hamas the Palestinians, the Arab population since nineteen twenty nine.
This rejectionism is the through line through all of it.
They do not permit Jews to live there. They will
not coexist. That's the line, all right. If you're listening
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I did not finish reading this text from the text
line before the break, so let me finish reading the text.
Speaker 1: It was only a sentence, so I apologize.
Speaker 2: This comes from Eric Mohammed al Husseini, the same Grand
Mufti who spread this propaganda campaign that the Jews were
trying to plot to destroy the Al Aksa Mosque, and
he did that in order to distract from his own corruption.
He also allied himself and collaborated with Hitler in World
War Two because well, they both hated Jews. He even
helped recruit three Muslim SS divisions. This is the final
quote or final clip here that I've got from again.
This is off of a YouTube channel called Ask Haviv Anything.
The host is named Haviv retig Gour. He is a
reporter at the Times of Israel and he had a
sit down conversation with Jardina Schwartz, who wrote a book
called Ghosts of a Holy War, and it's about the
nineteen twenty nine Hebron massacre, which she pinpoints as sort
of the beginning of this nearly century long feud, and
she explained some of the reasons why she considers this
to be the beginning. But at the heart of all
of this is what she calls rejectionism, and here's her
explanation for that.
Speaker 3: It's also the beginning or an early spark of the
rejectionism that has characterized the Palestinian movement for the last century,
the rejection of living together, inequality. So there was there
was coexistence before nineteen twenty nine, but coexistence as long
as Jews were second class citizens, as long as Jews
were kept out of places like the tomb of the
patriarchs as long as Jews didn't have a role in leadership.
For instance, in Cavron and there was just one Jew
on city council, one Jewish police officer, even that was
pushing it. There was this allergic reaction to this idea
that under the British Jews would become equal citizens, Jews
would be allowed to immigrate into Palestine. Because under the
Ottoman Empire, before the British took over, before the British
Mandate of Palestine, under Ottoman rule of Palestine, there were
quotas on Jewish immigration. Jews were restricted from purchasing land.
Jews were already the majority in Jerusalem, and yet they
were restricted from purchasing land, even in Jewish quarters. So
there was this rejection of any notion of Jewish power,
and that was very evident in nineteen twenty nine with
these cries of house and is our land. The Jews
are dogs, you know. There is this rejection of this
idea that Jews would have any kind of equality in Palestine,
and a rejection of a shared future.
Speaker 2: So the Great I must stop right there for a second.
Why is this flaring up, she says, is because this
concept that the British, now that they controlled the former
Ottoman Empire territory, that they were going.
Speaker 1: To make the Jews equal.
Speaker 2: And this is where this rejectionism first sparks. How dare you?
They are dogs, they are second class citizens, They're not
allowed to own anything, They're not our equals. And that's
where this idea flares up first.
Speaker 4: And Mufti, after.
Speaker 3: Inciting these riots, he was able to keep the powerful
positions that the British had actually appointed him to and
he came even more powerful. And after inciting the riots
that characterized the revolts that began in nineteen thirty six,
the British began to have negotiations with Jewish leadership and
Palestine to figure out what could be done.
Speaker 4: The British had already decided.
Speaker 3: They wanted out of Palestine, but they didn't know how
they would get out, and they began to talk about
potentially a two state solution.
Speaker 4: This was the first time.
Speaker 3: They didn't call it that, but they talked about dividing
the land between an Arab an independent Arab state an independent.
Speaker 4: Jewish state with self governance.
Speaker 3: And the Jewish leadership wasn't totally thrilled by the idea.
Because it would give just twenty percent to the Jews
and something like eighty percent.
Speaker 4: To the Arabs. But they were excited that.
Speaker 3: This was even you know, being spoken about some kind
of independence in the land of Israel for the first
time in two thousand years. Meanwhile, the Grand Mufti was
adamantly opposed not just the idea of two states, but
to the idea that the four hunter a thousand Jews
then living in Palestine would even be able to live there.
He said, when they at When the British asked him
in nineteen thirty six, what should be done with the
Jews now living here, he said, we can. We can
get to that later, once we get to self governance,
Arab self governance. And I said, well, can they stay?
And he said no, And that was his first rejection.
Of course, in nineteen forty seven, he and every other
Arab leader rejected the UN partition plan. You know, this
is all to say that if this conflict was truly
about land and who gets to live where, this conflict
would have been solved years ago, decades ago. Two thousand
there was a two state offer that was rejected with
no alternative. Two thousand and eight, even more generous offer
rejected out of hand by a bus.
Speaker 4: You know, this notion that.
Speaker 3: Settlements, however problematic they may be, and we can talk
about that, this idea that settlement are the key obstacle
to peace is a fallacy. I mean, there were less
than two hundred thousand settlers living in the West Bank
in two thousand when Arafat rejected the two state solution.
Today they're more than nearly five hundred thousand. So it
just shows that, you know, sharing this land is not
an option for one side of the equation. And you know,
maybe that's true that today Israel is led by a
government that also doesn't want a two state solution, but
that is relatively recent that that set right.
Speaker 2: It's not about the land, it's about you not being here,
that I don't want you being here. From the very beginning,
it was we're going to dare I say it, ethnically
cleanse the entire Middle East of all the Jews because
they're second class citizens. They're not even we don't even
consider them to be people. We don't want them here.
And so oh, Britain, we're not going to agree to
any map that you give us that gives them private property.
Ownership rights. So it's not about this particular piece of land,
it's about any land at all. It's about coexistence. They
refuse to coexist on an equal playing field. All right,
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Speaker 1: Yeah that's UH. I forget who I I forget who
I was watching.
Speaker 2: I was watching some interview with UH with you know,
some a person.
Speaker 1: That you would know. It's a famous person.
Speaker 2: But I want to say they came from like the
business world or maybe media. I forget where, but it wasn't.
They weren't, like UH, an expert on Israel, Palestine stuff
or whatever.
Speaker 1: But they said.
Speaker 2: Somehow an other, like they were asked about the rise
of anti Semitism or whatever, and he was like, it's
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I have all these interactions and it's all perfectly you know,
nice and polite and all of the stuff, and then
all of a sudden it just turns into some you know,
rant against the Jews. It's like this this thing that
just trips their triggers. And it's like and it's so widespread,
like they sell minekomf in the in the shops and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Anyway, along those lines, let me tell you about a
woman named Francesca Albanie. She is the UN Special Reporteur
for Gaza.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So this is who the UN put in charge of
reporting to the world what is happening in Gaza, Okay.
Francesca Albanese. And there's a video now making the rounds
of her where she says she's had some conference and
she's speaking and she says people continue to say but
Hamas Jamas Humas. I don't think people have any idea
what Hamas is. Hamas is a political force, course that
won the two thousand and five elections, whether we like
it or not. Hamas built schools, public facilities, hospitals. It
was simply the authority, the de facto authority. So it's
critical that you understand that when you think of AMAS,
you should not necessarily think of cutthroats, people armed to
the teeth or fighters.
Speaker 1: It's not like that.
Speaker 2: No, No, this is the political wing of h Yeah.
I've long mocked this bifurcation that for some reason, terrorist
organizations get like Hamas, like the Palestinian authority, like Hezbollah,
like they Oh, this is the militant wing of Hamas,
the militant wing like. Nobody else gets that bifurcation, Like
is there a militant wing of Israel? Wouldn't that be
the IDF?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: What about America?
Speaker 2: Is our military the militant wing of the of the government.
Nobody ever gets that description, Only Hamas, only these terrorist organizations.
This is from David Stram at hotair dot com. He said,
the level of corruption in our elites is off the charts.
This woman's husband also a vile anti semi apparently works
for the World Bank.
Speaker 1: Two. You got Canada, France, the UK.
Speaker 2: They're all preparing to recognize Palestine as a state, which
is an obvious reward for their October seventh attack. Yeah,
I don't know how you recognize the state that you
don't even know what the borders are? What are the borders?
Speaker 1: Do you know?
Speaker 2: Hamas calculated that if only they upped the suffering in Gaza,
the moral midgets in the West would reward their cruelty
with a new state, and they calculated correctly. The worse
they got, the more the Western leaders supported them. And
this proves to Hamas and everybody else that's watching terrorism works,
So good job Western culture. And then there's this I
got from listener Andy. The Democrat National Committee is trying
to avoid a fight over this issue. A vote at
the DNC meeting later this month could once again expose
the rift between the party's base and its leaders, who
are lining up to oppose a resolution against arms for Israel.
Alison Minerly, twenty six year old committee member, sponsored the measure.
She told The Intercept that Democrat leaders risk further alienating
party members, especially the youth vote, if they kill this
largely symbolic resolution. So she wants to know boycott, defund, divest,
beat sanctions Israel, all of that stuff, and act at arms, embargoes,
suspend military aid, and recognize Palestine as a state. DNC
leadership is like, well, let's just do this kind of
milk toast water down version of it, and this is
going to now erupt in a big fight apparently at
the DNC meeting later this month, and I am here
for it.
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