WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.000 All right, you've heard of load bombs, You've heard of 2 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:04.120 Sham's bombs. 3 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:06.519 Have you heard of smitty bombs? 4 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:09.800 Here's the question is Richard Smith is live in studio 5 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:12.359 for an entire hour smitty Are you ready to drop 6 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:13.359 some smitty bombs? Ye? 7 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:13.960 I'll tell you what. 8 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:16.559 There's a lot of people who use that phrase, but 9 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:18.320 it has a whole different context. 10 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:18.600 Yes. 11 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:19.839 Now we're not talking about that time. 12 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:21.519 I don't want to get into that stuff. 13 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:24.160 We're just gonna stick with basketball today and uh, the 14 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:26.559 NBA trade deadline coming and going, how you doing? 15 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:27.440 My friend getting to see you. 16 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:29.280 Yeah, it's great, you know this is uh. 17 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:32.280 I was just talking to James Peterson a few minutes 18 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:34.719 before came in the studio and he was asking me 19 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:36.359 do you miss this time of year? And I said, 20 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:39.560 you know, it's interesting because this time it's always in 21 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.039 early February, and it's kind of a you know, it's 22 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:45.159 a big scouting period for college and stuff and just 23 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.719 before the All Star break and so it kind of 24 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:50.479 comes at a good time work wise. But but you 25 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:52.479 get all the people who are involved in these in 26 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:55.399 these kinds of transactions, and all all the people on 27 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.399 in a particular staff that are able to weigh in 28 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:02.799 on them, and there's a lot of spinning your wheels 29 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.760 and not getting anywhere because I don't know what the 30 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:10.400 actual number would be, but I would guesstimate that of 31 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:13.159 all the trades that are talked about and really the 32 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:18.840 teams might consider in some respect, probably between two and 33 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.840 five percent of them actually get consummated. Like the vast 34 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.159 majority just don't happen for whatever number of reasons. And 35 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:29.519 so it's always a time of year where you're doing 36 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:32.000 a lot of work, a lot of film study, a 37 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:34.560 lot of phone calls, a lot of digging into research, 38 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:37.319 and then at the last second somebody says, oh, yeah, 39 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:40.319 the other team fell by, so it's out, and you're going, 40 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.120 I just spent all this time doing such and such, 41 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:44.959 you know whatever. I could have been doing something else, 42 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.719 but that's the gig, you know. So, and that's what 43 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.519 a lot of teams are obviously were involved in these 44 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:51.879 last few weeks in the NBA. 45 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:55.159 So you reference two to five percent of deals talked 46 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:58.560 about actually happens, it feels like this time around that 47 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:01.760 number might be higher. You know, I don't like you've 48 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:03.439 been doing this forever. I've been around the league, my 49 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:05.959 whole life. This feels smitty to me, like the most 50 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.719 consequential NBA trade deadline of all time. We have thirty 51 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:13.039 eight combined All Star appearances on the move, twenty combined 52 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.360 first team All NBA appearances on the move. 53 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:19.039 Would you concur with that assessment? Potentially? Look, only time 54 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:19.360 will tell. 55 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:21.360 You're always good to remind us of that, But this 56 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:24.719 feels like, as of today, you know, a knee jerk, 57 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:28.319 instant reaction, the most consequential trade deadline in pro basketball history. 58 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:31.319 Well, it involves so many big names, right, and it 59 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:35.439 got off to a bang last week with the Laker 60 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:40.240 and Mavericks deal. But it's interesting, you know, you can 61 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.479 contrast that all the stuff and I know you've been 62 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:46.800 talking and you talked with Andy last segment about you 63 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.599 know this, do you really believe, you know, what they're 64 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:55.199 reporting out of Dallas Law, how it actually took place, 65 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.199 was actually the deal. There's got to be something else 66 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:00.439 and there's got to be some other stuff was going 67 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:03.680 on or whatever. But you know, it's it's that was 68 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:07.319 very different than the stuff we saw, you know, all 69 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:10.080 along the last several weeks, right with Jimmy Butler in Miami, 70 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:14.199 where everybody knew that the marriage was done and that 71 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.240 he was he was gonna leave, and they were trying 72 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.080 to get a deal for him and what have you. 73 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:22.719 And you know, there's a there's a lot of different 74 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.639 angles to it, and a lot of different people weigh 75 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:27.680 in on the Butler thing and what was going on, 76 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:30.680 all the drama around it. And yet the Dallas l 77 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:34.479 a thing nobody knew about it until it happened. And 78 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:40.000 so you can see two different divergent ways of handling 79 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:43.319 these kinds of things with big name players and what 80 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.719 the you know, it's an interesting study about you know, 81 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:48.919 is there a better way to do it? Is there 82 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:51.319 one way is better than the other? Is this one 83 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:53.520 makes sense and that one doesn't make as much sense, 84 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:55.599 or what have you? And so you can you can 85 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:58.639 debate those things a long time, but but at the 86 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:01.120 end of the day, an Indi team is going to 87 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:05.159 do what they think makes sense for them in the 88 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.039 business they're trying to take care of and you know, 89 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:11.240 without regard to what anybody else is doing or what 90 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:12.599 anybody else thinks. 91 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.439 About the way they're handling their business. 92 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:17.360 So from a jazz perspective, let's dig into what the 93 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:19.759 Jazz did do, then we'll talk about what the Jazz 94 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:23.319 did not do. So all in all, with the deals 95 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:28.160 the Jazz made, they received five second round picks in essence, 96 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.879 Drew you Banks, Patty Mills gone. And then the Jazz 97 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:33.319 took on some smaller salary deals and they sent a 98 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:34.199 lot of those players on. 99 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.720 Denni Shrude is in Detroit. Obama has been waived. PJ. 100 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:40.160 Tucker, I think ended up in Toronto after spending a 101 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:43.519 minute back in Miami, and I think Jalen Hoodschafino will 102 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:44.199 also be waived. 103 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:45.959 So five second round picks. 104 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.759 Then they received the twenty thirty one unprotected first round 105 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:51.120 pick from Phoenix that they received in exchange for three 106 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:53.879 first that they sent to the songs the least favorable 107 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.279 of Utah, Minnesota, Cleveland. We already broke that deal down 108 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:01.639 so strictly from an asset addition standpoint. And then I 109 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.279 want to ask you about kJ Martin, because look, I 110 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:08.040 think there might be a little something there. Jazz fans 111 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:10.240 might remember kJ Martin because he said his career high 112 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.120 against the Jazz twice twenty one points twenty seven points. 113 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:15.279 He started forty nine games for the Rockets, a couple 114 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:17.879 of years ago. Look, I'm not saying that he's some answer, 115 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:20.680 but from an asset accumulation standpoint, what do you make 116 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.040 of what the Jazz did? Then explain to our listeners 117 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:25.759 what their motivations were in making these transactions. 118 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:30.240 Sure, so the Jazz are in full rebuild mode, as 119 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.000 we know, during the middle of the third year of 120 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:37.040 this tear down and rebuild however you want to label it. 121 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:41.120 And so they know they're not winning now, they know 122 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:44.279 they're not going to win next week or next year. 123 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:47.920 They're trying to develop young guys and also along the 124 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.519 way try to get a veteran here or there they 125 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:54.879 think can help them and start moving forward and start 126 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:57.720 making progress. So you know, all of the moves that 127 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.920 they were involved in were all about asset accumulation, meaning 128 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.199 get as many draft picks as we can get as 129 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:09.399 many either expiring contracts or contracts of guys that we 130 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:12.519 can turn around and flip around for something else, like 131 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:13.360 the PJ. 132 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:16.560 Tucker deal that you knew they weren't going to keep him. 133 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.000 I felt, and you and I discussed this last night 134 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.720 at the Jazz game. I neither one of us felt 135 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:24.519 that that they were going to hold on to Dennis 136 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:27.439 Shrewder didn't make any sense, but he was a cog 137 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:29.759 for them to be able to do something else. 138 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:33.399 That that helped them and in terms of their long 139 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:34.240 range planning. 140 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.519 So that that's the mode that they're and every team 141 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:40.519 has its own motivation spent. Some of the teams are 142 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.680 trying to get a guy to help them, you know, 143 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.439 maybe one more guy that helps in a rotation that 144 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.600 can help us, you know, like the Cleveland deal today. 145 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.439 Getting DeAndre Hunter, you know, a very good move I 146 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:53.160 thought by them. 147 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:57.680 I agree, he's playing very well for for Atlanta and 148 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:01.680 having a nice quiet season, but playing very efficiently for them, 149 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.560 And I'm not sure, you know, they they gave up much, 150 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.160 you know, in terms to get someone who can help 151 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.600 them maybe that last piece they feel, you know, can 152 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.680 get them you know, on top or toward that mountaintop. 153 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:17.720 So so that was a great move for them. So 154 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:21.199 they're in that that mode of thinking. The Jazz, the 155 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:26.639 Washington Wizards, or teams that are in the opposite mode 156 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:28.959 of just trying to get get as many assets as 157 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:32.360 they can for for future use or for other you know, movements, 158 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:35.600 or to take money off their books or or whatever 159 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:37.920 it is, and so every team has its own motivation, 160 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:40.279 every team has a different. 161 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:41.480 Way they're going about it. 162 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.920 And then you know, nothing's been talked about, and I'm 163 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.079 sure they'll be fallout of it going forward. But all 164 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:50.279 the all the noise that was coming out of Phoenix 165 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:55.079 about trying to get Jimmy Butler there didn't work out, 166 00:07:55.120 --> 00:08:00.199 mainly because of the Bradley Beal no trade clause. And 167 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:02.600 then there was scuttle button the last several days about 168 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:06.000 you know, maybe they'll move Kevin Durant, and Kevin Durant said, well, 169 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.800 I don't want to go back to Golden State or whatever. 170 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:09.839 All those things that were going on, all that drama 171 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:12.959 that was going on right well, Spence, Now the dust 172 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:16.160 is starting to settle on the trade deadline. Phoenix didn't 173 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:19.680 do anything in that regard, so they have their three 174 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:24.360 big guns still there. Booker, Durant, and Beale. Right, they 175 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:28.879 are looking this summer for a team that's right now 176 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:32.080 at five hundred, struggling to try and get in the 177 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:35.639 playoff situation and maybe getting the top six if they 178 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:36.240 could even. 179 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:38.960 Squeeze in there at best case scenario. 180 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:45.279 They're looking this summer having a total outlay payroll, taxes 181 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:50.080 and penalties of over four hundred million dollars for a 182 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.519 team that's not in with the big boys at the moment. 183 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:56.799 Now you look at their roster, they'll go, well they 184 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:59.840 got three big boys. Yeah, well, for whatever reason, it's 185 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:02.720 not working, and now we're gonna be paying all this 186 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:06.519 money for something that's not getting us what that desired 187 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:09.919 result is. So you look at a franchise like that, 188 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:12.759 they didn't get anything done this time because of the 189 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:16.399 Beal no trade, no trade clause, and now you're looking 190 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.320 at them and they've got to be sitting there going, 191 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:22.080 oh man, what are we gonna do because we are 192 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:25.480 stuck in the corner and we have no way of 193 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:29.240 getting out of here anytime soon. And that's that's a 194 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:32.720 big deal for a franchise that twelve months ago had 195 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:36.159 all these thoughts about being at the top of the heap. 196 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:36.879 Yeah. 197 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:38.720 And I want to get into that in a little 198 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:41.080 bit because I do think you know, Kevin Durant is 199 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.519 shown to be a little petty and a little sensitive 200 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:48.320 and his feelings get hurts, and he did not request 201 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:50.600 the trade, and the Sons kicked the tires on him anyway. 202 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:53.639 I mean look after Luca gets traded, everybody's got to 203 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:54.120 be looking. 204 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:56.679 Around, going what's going on here? Like nobody's safe. 205 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:58.200 Hey, it's Spence, Spence. 206 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.559 You want me to give you the list, Babe, Ruth 207 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:09.159 Will Chamberlain, Wayne Gretzky, however long you want me to 208 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.000 make the list. Everybody is tradable. All these things that 209 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.840 you read and hear about about oh he's untouchable, let 210 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:22.000 me tell you nobody literally in professional sports is untouchable. 211 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.480 If the right deal comes along, or if you have 212 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.919 someone who's in a position like like Nico Harrison, the 213 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:35.320 general manager in Dallas, who you know, supposedly made a 214 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.840 singular decision and got obviously the okay at the at 215 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.440 the eleventh hour by ownership that if that's what you 216 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.639 think we should do, then we'll do it. But those 217 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.720 people act because of the information they have, because of 218 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:55.639 the intel that they know that maybe other people don't 219 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:59.799 or other people misconstrue or whatever it is, and that 220 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:03.399 it's the job that those guys have. And you know, 221 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:06.240 I'm not saying I agreed disagree. 222 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:07.080 I can't. 223 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:09.240 You know, I can't a weigh in on that stuff 224 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.799 just because it's too early to tell all that stuff. 225 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:14.879 All that stuff will play out and in good time. 226 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:20.279 But to have the confidence in what you believe makes 227 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.080 sense to you at that moment in time is a 228 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:28.279 big deal for an organization that really shook everything up 229 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.080 and is still feeling the ripple effects, and they will 230 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:31.600 for a while. 231 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:33.480 I have to say I'm proud of you for bringing 232 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:36.879 up the Babe Ruth trade without getting upsets as a 233 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:38.919 Red Sox fan, and of course I'm a Yankee fan 234 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.080 because they Curse of the Bambino appeared to be real 235 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.720 for a while and then steroids and David Ortiz and 236 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:45.000 Manny Ramirez changed all that. 237 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:47.639 But let me but I wanted to. 238 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:49.240 I do want to ask you about kJ Martin, and 239 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:50.759 let me just ask you now because I think the 240 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.759 Luca topic is more interesting. Like I said, kJ Martin 241 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:57.000 is not a piece that is suddenly going to change 242 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.320 the perspective of the jazz. But of all the names 243 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.240 I heard there, you and I talked to the game 244 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.080 last night. True it was gone, okay, we knew that. 245 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.080 Now he's a Piston. There's no way Talker was around. 246 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.399 Like I said, he's been rerouted twice. I think he's 247 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:10.919 in Toronto, Jalen hood S. Chafino got jimmered his third year, 248 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:12.639 didn't get picked up, and so I don't think he's 249 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:16.120 an NBA guy. There's a little bit to like about 250 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.840 kJ Martin, though, isn't there. I mean, forty nine starts 251 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.000 for the rockets. He's not just to throwaway into the 252 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:22.440 bench guy. 253 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:24.320 I think we might see him get some minutes, don't you. 254 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:24.759 Yeah? 255 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:26.960 I think you know he's a guy that you know, 256 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:29.919 I would not be surprised if they if they were 257 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:33.080 using him, you know, as as a long look as 258 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.840 a person looks you bring him in. He's young enough, 259 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:40.559 he's shown you that he has some skill, some ability. Okay, 260 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:44.200 sometimes guys need a certain team to just get in 261 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:47.320 and get a certain niche and a certain feel for that. 262 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.960 With him, my guess is that he came available. They said, hey, 263 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:58.440 this isn't any big consequence to us financially, when when 264 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.279 I get into a big hole here, he's a young guy. 265 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:06.080 He fits a mold in terms of a long, you know, 266 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:10.480 wing stretch guy. Maybe a three and D guy. Maybe 267 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:13.799 I don't know, but you know, he's certainly worth looking 268 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:17.440 at more closely to give him some run. I would 269 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:19.840 think and to also get him in your locker room, 270 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:23.159 get him with your group, find out on a personal 271 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:25.759 level the next the next couple of months. Is he 272 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:28.000 a guy we want to work with going forward? Is 273 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.200 he a guy that doesn't really fit what we're doing? 274 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.159 Whatever it is. These are always the kind of guys 275 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:35.639 in the time of the year that you see that 276 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:37.879 happening with a lot of teams, like in a position 277 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.679 like the jazz where you can afford to, you know, 278 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:43.960 to just you know, try something and you see it happens, 279 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.000 and it doesn't happen, it doesn't work for you, whatever 280 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.120 it is, and then you just move on or you go, hey, 281 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:53.240 we got a nice, nice little piece here. Let's let's 282 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:55.759 uh give him another couple of years or something and 283 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:57.919 then get him into the group and and see how 284 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:01.039 that plays out. So that's that's part of the laboratory 285 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:04.360 experiment that the Jazz are going through that we've talked 286 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:07.480 about before. Spence about you know, mining for gold and 287 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:10.919 throwing it in the river and you know, shaking the 288 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.000 pan and the rocks in the sand and everything comes 289 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:16.440 out and maybe you find a gold nugget or two 290 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:19.120 along the way. That's what they're doing I think with 291 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:20.759 a guy like kJ Martin. 292 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:22.279 So a little background on kJ. 293 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:25.320 He was the Sierra Canyon kid if that sounds familiar, 294 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:27.679 That's where Brownie James played. He played on a team 295 00:14:27.679 --> 00:14:31.559 with Scottie Pippen Junior and Cassius Stanley, averaged seventeen and 296 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:35.080 ten for a team that won the California Open Division 297 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:36.919 back to back years. He was going to go to 298 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:39.840 college at Vandy and then opted for a postgraduate year 299 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.360 at IMG. Twenty points eight boards at IMG, and then 300 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:45.720 he had that game at the National Prep Showcase where 301 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:46.720 he dropped thirty seven. 302 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:48.639 He decided to declare for the draft. 303 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:50.799 He was the second round pick from the Kings in 304 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:54.120 twenty twenty, traded to the Rockets, spent the first part 305 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.720 of his rookie year with the G League team, and 306 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:00.600 then was activated twenty twenty one, twenty one on. 307 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:01.320 January the fourth. 308 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.840 So he did have some good years with Houston before 309 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.519 being traded. His season and career high as twenty seven 310 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.559 points against the Jazz back in twenty twenty one, and 311 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:14.240 his three years in Houston okay forty five games played 312 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:17.559 nine points, five boards. First his rookie year, second year 313 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:20.720 played in seventy nine games, two starts, eight points, four rebounds. 314 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:22.960 His third year was his best year, where he played 315 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.320 all eighty two games, started forty nine of them, played 316 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.840 twenty eight minutes a night, had thirteen points, almost five 317 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.440 and a half boards, only shot thirty one from three 318 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:32.840 and sixty eight percent from the free throw line. Then 319 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:35.919 didn't really play much for the Clips, moved on to Philadelphia. 320 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:38.519 So yeah, I mean, maybe I'm trying to stretch this 321 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:40.600 out into something that it's not. But he is a 322 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:42.159 young player that will get a look here. We'll see 323 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.759 if he can get something hold. Twenty four years old, Yeah, 324 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:48.159 twenty four, So that's that's still a developmental guy. 325 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.159 And as a guy who's bounced around a little bit, 326 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:54.080 and that's a guy you you kick the tires on 327 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.759 if you're the Jazz and you just say, hey, you know, 328 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:58.720 we'll take a look at him and see what we think, 329 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:01.720 and the coach likes and doesn't like him whatever, and 330 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:05.320 then we decide after that what we think we want 331 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:06.200 to do going forward. 332 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:09.240 And just turned twenty four January birthday, so young twenty four. 333 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:14.200 All right, last topic here, and you know you texted me. 334 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:17.360 This and I chuckled because I keep talking about the 335 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:20.559 ox Razor theory, which is the simplest explanation, is the 336 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:23.799 one that usually you land on and a lot of 337 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:26.320 travels halfway around the world before the truth can get 338 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:27.679 its boots on the old saying. 339 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:27.919 Right. 340 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:30.799 So, I've talked to you about this, I've talked to 341 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:32.799 other people around the league about this. There are some 342 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:37.720 different opinions. Bottom line, why did Dallas do this? Bottom 343 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:40.399 line your understanding of the situation. You know people that 344 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:43.120 are with Dallas. You know people that were with Dallas, Dennis, 345 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:45.840 Lindsay and Detroit spent some time with Nico. So my 346 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:48.120 guess is, you know, Siddy, why did Dallas elect to 347 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:50.519 do this? Because from a basketball standpoint, I personally just. 348 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:54.159 Don't see it. Yeah, well it's I don't. You never 349 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.519 know the whole story, Spence. So that's that's the first 350 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.120 one that we put out there. Nobody knows the whole 351 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.720 story except the few handful of people that are right 352 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:04.759 right in the center of that and making it happen. 353 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.519 But I will say this, My take on it is this. 354 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:14.160 I believe that when when Nico Harrison decides that that 355 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:17.279 he wants to consider something like this, the story I 356 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.839 read about him meeting with with Rob Polenka in a 357 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:22.319 coffee shop a month ago. 358 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:24.559 You know, just you know through the idea. 359 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.200 They have a long relationship with each other from back 360 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:31.000 when Nico Harrison worked with Nike and he's working with 361 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.000 Rob Polenka, who was working with Kobe Bryant and Poye 362 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.279 Ryan was Nico Harrison's guy and all that. So they 363 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:40.480 have a relationship that goes back a lot of years 364 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:44.240 in a different context. Now you get to the present day. 365 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:49.960 They feel they can be secure with each other. They 366 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:53.039 feel they can be confident with each other that anything 367 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:55.759 they discuss is going to stay between the two of them. 368 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:59.000 They supposedly have a discussion, hey, would you ever think 369 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:01.480 about this? Would you think think about this? And whatever, 370 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:04.440 and they decide to keep him on theself. I don't 371 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:08.519 have any problem believing that that's that that's what actually 372 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:14.160 took place, and because over a six plus year period 373 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:17.279 and Nico Harrison wasn't there for all of it, but 374 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:21.160 he's there ever since he got to Dallas several years ago. 375 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:22.680 He lived every. 376 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:27.559 Day with uh with with with the whole Luka Doncic thing. 377 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:31.240 You like him, great player, great talent, a good guy. 378 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:34.279 He's not a bad guy. You know, nobody should paint 379 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.680 him in that light. You know, the whole question about 380 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.400 anything around him as a professional, as a as a 381 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:43.839 an NBA player and one of the top players in 382 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:48.000 the world literally, is you know, whether he is fully 383 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:53.079 committed to his conditioning, to his skilled development, to getting 384 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:57.720 better or is he one of these guys who's content 385 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:01.759 with just coming And as we used to say, you 386 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:04.319 know with Kevin O'Connor a lot, you know, there's some 387 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:07.880 guys who just are satisfied getting a C minus in 388 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:10.440 the class. You know, as long as he's get degrees, 389 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:12.240 you know, so as long as you as long as 390 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:15.319 I passed the class, that's all I That's all I'm 391 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:17.920 worried about. And maybe, and I'm not saying this is it, 392 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:23.359 but I'm postilizing out there that maybe, you know, Nico 393 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:26.480 had seen every day, every day for several years, that 394 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:29.319 we're trying to get this guy to move in this direction. 395 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:31.680 And now he was with Kobe Bryant. So Kobe Bryant 396 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:33.799 was a different animal. He was on the other end 397 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:37.680 of the scale, working out fit, diet, all that stuff, 398 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:40.839 twenty five hours a day. His entire career, So that 399 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.519 was different. Okay, so that's way over there on that 400 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:46.920 end of the scale. But Luka Doncic was known for, 401 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:50.359