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Speaker 1: Ever get chills when you hear a story and you

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just can't shake that feeling that it could be true

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even though it's so strange.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally, like when something seems so unbelievable, but

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then at the same time it feels like it just

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might be real exactly.

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Speaker 1: And today we're going deep into some historical mysteries, ones

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that have been puzzling people for centuries, and.

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Speaker 2: We're focusing on cases about children. You know, those stories

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where kids are at the heart of something we just

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can't explain, because.

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Speaker 1: Those always seem to hit differently, right.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's something about the innocence of childhood mixed with

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the totally inexplicable that really grabs you.

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Speaker 1: It's like you get this glimpse into another time and

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you're trying to make sense of events that just defy

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all logic.

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Speaker 2: Like trying to put together a puzzle, but some of

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the pieces are from a completely different set.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great way to put it. And we've

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got three really fascinating cases for today's deep dive.

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Speaker 2: Should we give a little preview of what's coming up?

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Speaker 1: Definitely, So we'll be time traveling back to twelfth century

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England to meet the Green Children of Woolpit.

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Speaker 2: Those are some seriously mysterious kids. I can't wait to

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dig into that one.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll jump ahead to nineteenth century Germany to unravel

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the enigma that was Casper Hauser.

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Speaker 2: His story is just wild. I mean, a teenager who

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appears out of nowhere, claiming to have been locked up

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his whole life.

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Speaker 1: It's like something out of a movie. And finally, we'll

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be investigating the disappearance and reappearance of Pauline Picard in

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nineteen twenties France.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that case is full of twists and turns and

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it's one that still hasn't been solved.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's start with those Green Children of Woolpit

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back in the year eleven hundred.

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Speaker 2: Setting the scene here, picture a small village in England,

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peaceful farmland life moving at a much slower pace than

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we're used to today.

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Speaker 1: And then suddenly this farmer comes across two children hiding

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in a ditch.

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Speaker 2: But these weren't just any kids. Their skin was green,

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they spoke a language no one understood, and their clothes

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were completely foreign.

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Speaker 1: It's like something straight out of a medieval fairy tale, right.

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Speaker 2: Totally, and their story has been passed down through generations,

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becoming this legend with so much any different interpretations.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, the boy didn't live very long. But the girl

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who eventually was given the name Agnes, she learned English.

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Speaker 2: Oh so she was able to tell her story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, eventually, and it was even more bizarre than everything

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that had already happened.

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Speaker 2: So what does she say?

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Speaker 1: She described a world underground called Saint Martin's Land where

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everybody had green skin.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, now that's definitely a story that would make

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people talk, and it has.

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Speaker 1: It's been centuries and people are still trying to figure

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Speaker 2: You know, when you think about the twelfth century, it

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was a time of huge upheaval, like with the Great

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Speaker 1: On you're talking about, when King Henry the Second was

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dealing with rebellions from his own sons.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, and that conflict forced a lot of Flemish

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refugees to flee to England.

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Speaker 1: So could those green children have actually been Flemish refugees

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separated from their family during all that chaos.

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Speaker 2: It's a really interesting theory. Their language might have been

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a Flemish dialect that the English villagers didn't recognize.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense. But then there's the green skin. That's

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the detail that everyone gets stuck on.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Agnes just made that part up to

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make her story more exciting.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a condition called chlorosis where sometimes it's called

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green sickness, which was pretty common back then.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of that.

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Speaker 2: It's a type of anemia. You get it from not

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having enough iron, and it can actually give your skin

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barely surviving, their diet probably wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Maybe their bodies were craving those nutrients without even realizing it.

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Speaker 2: It's possible. And then there's the whole thing about Saint

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Speaker 1: What about it?

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Speaker 2: Well, there was actually a church dedicated to Saint Martin

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Speaker 2: Interesting, So maybe Agnes, with her limited English, was trying

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to describe a place she associated with the Saint.

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Speaker 1: Rather than an actual underground world.

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Speaker 1: That's a good reminder that we have to be careful

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about jumping to conclusions, especially when we're dealing with different

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cultures and languages.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, things aren't always as they seem, and sometimes the

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simplest explanation might be the right one.

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Speaker 1: But even with those possible explanations, the story of the

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Green Children is still so mysterious.

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Speaker 2: For sure. It makes you wonder about how much we

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really know about history and the things that people experience

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Speaker 1: It's a reminder that even the most unbelievable stories might

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have some truth to them, and sometimes truth really is

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stranger than fiction.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't have said it better myself. And it's cases like

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these that keep us coming back for more.

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Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, the Green Children of Wullpit, they might

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be gone, but their story definitely lives on, and.

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Speaker 2: It keeps us asking questions, keeps us curious about the past.

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Speaker 1: Arde So from the quiet English countryside, we're jumping ahead

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a few centuries and landing in the city of Nuremberg,

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Germany in eighteen twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Big change of scenery.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, and this time, instead of finding a mysterious child

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in a ditch. We find one right in the middle

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of a busy city square.

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Speaker 2: So what happened?

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Speaker 1: Imagine this, a teenage boy he can barely speak or walk,

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shows up out of nowhere clutching a letter.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's already pretty strange.

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Speaker 1: And the letter, it's full of questions, more questions than answers.

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Speaker 2: Actually, this is Casper Hauser, right, the guy whose life

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and death were basically one big unsolved mystery.

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Speaker 1: That's him, And according to him, he spent his whole

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life locked up in a tiny, dark cell with only

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bread and water to survive.

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Speaker 2: Man, that's just heartbreaking to think about a kid going

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through something like that.

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isolation would do to a person, especially someone.

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Speaker 2: So young, to be thrown into the world with no

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idea how to talk, how to act, how to even

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just interact with other people.

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Speaker 1: It's really no wonder that Casper Hauser's story became such

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a sensation.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's the kind of thing that sparks all

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sorts of theories.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh, totally. People were coming up with explanations left

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Speaker 2: Like, what were some of the ideas floating around?

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Speaker 1: Well, some thought he was a feral child. He's in

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the wild with no contact with humans.

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Speaker 2: That was a pretty popular theory back then for kids

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who were found alone.

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Speaker 1: Others thought he was the victim of some cruel experiment,

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or maybe he was just hidden away for some.

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Speaker 2: Unknown reason, kind of like a modern day Rapunzel, but

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way darker obviously.

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Speaker 1: And then there was the theory that really captured the

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public's imagination, the lost Prince theory.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that one's classic, right, It's got everything intrigue, betrayal,

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and the possibility of a secret identity.

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Speaker 1: Like something out of Shakespeare exactly.

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Speaker 2: And people love a good royal mystery.

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Speaker 1: It's the idea that this boy, this Casper Hauser, might

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have actually been a rightful heir.

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Speaker 2: To some throne, robbed of his birthright and forced to

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live in those awful conditions.

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Speaker 1: It definitely tugs at the heart strings.

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Speaker 2: But as we know, with these mysteries, things are rarely

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that simple.

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Speaker 1: Definitely not. Because Casper Hauser's life took a really dark turn.

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He became the target of several attacks.

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Speaker 2: Wait, seriously, like what kind of attacks?

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Speaker 1: Well, first he was injured, he got a head wound,

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and then later he was shot.

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Speaker 2: That's scary stock.

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Speaker 1: And finally he was stabbed, and that attack proved to

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be fatal. He was only twenty one years old when

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Speaker 2: Man, So not only did this guy have a super

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mysterious past, but his present was filled with danger too.

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Speaker 1: It makes you wonder if those attacks were connected to

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his origins somehow.

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Speaker 2: Like maybe someone wanted to silence him or keep him

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from revealing some secret.

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Speaker 1: It's a chilling thought for sure.

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Speaker 2: So even after he died, the mystery surrounding Casper Hauser

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didn't go away, did it.

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Speaker 1: Not at all. In fact, the lost Prince theory actually

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gained even more traction. How so, some historians started claiming

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that he was the son of Grand Duke Carl of

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Baden and Stephanie de Bournay.

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Speaker 2: Hold On Stephanie de Bournay, as in Napoleon's adopted daughter

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one and Only. Wow. Okay, so now we're talking about

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potential connections to some seriously powerful figures, and.

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Speaker 1: That just adds a whole new layer of intrigue to

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Speaker 2: Right. Absolutely, we've gone from a lost boy to a

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Speaker 1: And with the rise of DNA testing, people thought maybe

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they could finally get some answers about Casper Hauser's true identity.

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Speaker 2: So did they test his DNA?

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Speaker 1: They did in two thousand and two. They used samples

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from his clothing and what did they find? The results

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suggested a link to the House of Baden. There was

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a ninety five percent probability that he was related to

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Princess Josephine of Baden.

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Speaker 2: And Josephine's mother was Stephanie de Bourney.

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actually have some weight to it.

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Speaker 2: So that's a case closed, right, mystery solved?

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Speaker 1: Well not quite. There's a t us. You see, the

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House of Baden. They refused to provide more DNA samples for.

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Speaker 1: Nope, And that obviously cast a lot of doubt on

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the findings.

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Speaker 2: It makes you wonder what they were trying to hide exactly.

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Speaker 1: Some people saw their refusal as an attempt to cover.

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Speaker 2: Up the truth, while others thought maybe they had legitimate

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reasons for not wanting to get involved.

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Speaker 1: Either way, their decision just added more fuel to the

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fire of speculation.

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Speaker 2: So we're left with this really intriguing question. Even if

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Casper Hauser wasn't a lost prince, why were they so

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reluctant to help solve the mystery?

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Speaker 1: And that lack of closure it's part of what keeps

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the Casper Houser case alive even today.

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Speaker 2: Even with all the advancements in science and technology, some

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mysteries just refuse to be solved, and.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's part of their appeal. They force us to

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Speaker 2: It's a reminder that history isn't always black and white.

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Sometimes it's full of shades of gray and unanswered questions.

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Speaker 1: All right, for our last case today, let's trade the

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busy city streets for the peaceful French countryside in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Okay, definitely a different vibe, huge difference.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a place where life was simple and

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families were close knit.

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Speaker 2: So what's the mystery that brought us to this quiet

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corner of the world.

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Speaker 1: Well, it starts with the little girl named Pauline Picard.

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She was only two years old when she vanished from

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her family's farm.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, a missing child. I can already imagine how

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terrifying that must have been for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Involved, absolutely, especially back then in a small community like that,

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everyone knew everyone, so it would have been a huge shock.

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Speaker 2: But the rumors were flying, everyone trying to figure out

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what could have happened.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, and the initial searches they turned up nothing, no clues,

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no sign of little Pauline.

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Speaker 2: So what happened next? Did they ever find her?

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Speaker 1: They did, but the way it happened it's just as

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strange as everything else in these cases.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm intrigued. Tell me more.

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Speaker 1: About a month after Pauline disappeared, she was found alive

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and well, hundreds of miles away in a city called Cherburg.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible. Talk about a.

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Speaker 1: Miracle, you would think so, right. But there's a catch.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's always a catch with these stories. What was it?

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Speaker 1: When Pauline was found She didn't seem to recognize her

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family at all?

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Speaker 2: Wait, what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: She was withdrawn? She acted like she had no memory

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of them or the time she was missing.

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Speaker 2: That's so eerie. It's almost like she was a different person.

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Speaker 1: And that feeling that something wasn't quite right it only

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got stronger when a horrifying discovery was made. What did

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they find the body of a young girl was found

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near the Picard farm and she was wearing the clothes

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that Pauline had been wearing when she disappeared.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, So there were two girls involved somehow.

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Speaker 1: It's a chilling thought, right, and it raised a whole

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new set.

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Speaker 2: Of questions like was the girl who has found really

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Pauline or was she someone else exactly?

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Speaker 1: And what had happened to the real Pauline during that

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month she was missing.

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Speaker 2: And of course, who was responsible for the death of

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the other girl.

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Speaker 1: The investigation took on a whole new urgency. The police

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presented them they were desperate to find.

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Speaker 2: Answers, so did they have any suspects? They did.

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Speaker 1: They zeroed in on two main possibilities. There was a

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farm hand who had been acting suspiciously and a local

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farmer who actually confessed to the crime.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's start with the farm hand.

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Speaker 1: What made him suspicious, Well, people had overheard him saying

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things about finding Pauline a better home.

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Speaker 2: Hmm, that's definitely creepy, and.

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Speaker 1: Some people even claimed they had seen him with Pauline

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on the day she vanished.

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Speaker 2: So he was definitely on their radar. But what about

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the farmer's confession.

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Speaker 1: It seems like it came out out of nowhere. He

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just suddenly admitted to the crime.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it was a genuine confession or could

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there have been another reason why he said that.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to say for sure. But here's the thing,

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and the police they couldn't find any solid evidence to

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connect either suspect to the murder really so.

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Speaker 2: No fingerprints, no DNA, nothing, nothing concrete enough to make

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an arrest. So the case just went cold.

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Speaker 1: Pretty much. Despite all their efforts, the authorities couldn't solve

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the mystery of Pauline Picard.

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Speaker 2: So we're still left wondering what really happened to her

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and to the other little girl.

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Speaker 1: It's a tragic story and it's one that leads us

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with more questions than answers.

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Speaker 2: I think that's something we've seen with all three of

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these cases, the Green Children, Casper Hauser, and now Pauline Picard.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, they all revolve around children at the heart of

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events that we just can't explain, and they.

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Speaker 2: Make us question so much about history, about human nature,

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about what we think we know.

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Speaker 1: They're like puzzles with missing pieces. But even without all

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the pieces, we can still learn something from trying to

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put them together.

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Speaker 2: We learn about different cultures, different time periods, and the

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limits of what we can actually know about the past.

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Speaker 1: These cases, they also remind us of how important it

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is to think critically, to consider all the possibilities, and

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not just settle for the easiest explanation.

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Speaker 2: Because sometimes the truth is a lot more complex than

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we initially think.

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Speaker 1: And who knows, maybe someday new evidence will come to

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light and shed some light on these mysteries.

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Speaker 2: That would be incredible. But even if those answers never come,

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the stories themselves they hold a certain power.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. They capture our imaginations. They make us feel connected

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to the past, and they remind us that the world

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is full of things that we may never fully.

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Speaker 2: Understand, and that's okay, right. Sometimes the journey of exploring

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these mysteries is just as important as finding the answers.

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Speaker 1: I think so too. It's the journey that keeps us curious,

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keeps us asking questions, keeps us engaged with the past

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and all its complexities.

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Speaker 2: So next time you hear a story that seems too

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strange to be true, remember the Green Children, Casper Hauser

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and Pauline Picard

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Speaker 1: Remember that truth can be stranger than fiction, and that

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sometimes the most fascinating mysteries are the ones that remain unsolved.