WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What what's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:12.880 I'll take. 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:22.719 What help. 5 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:28.640 Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode. You just got me, 6 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:31.879 We got the guest. We've got Solomon Pakal on today 7 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.200 and uh very much looking forward to talking to this man. 8 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.439 We're going to be talking about Mayan astrology, as you 9 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:41.320 can tell because it's already in the title pressed play. 10 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:44.479 So uh yeah, we're gonna talk about a little bit 11 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:48.439 about my in astrology and uh quite interesting thing. He's 12 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:50.479 going to promote that he's working on himself, that he's 13 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:53.119 going to be putting out soon. So uh, let me 14 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:55.479 shut up and we'll let Solomon introduce himself. 15 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:55.960 To Solomon. 16 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:57.799 Please let everybody know like where I guess where they 17 00:00:57.840 --> 00:00:59.920 can find you, and uh you know all your work 18 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:00.640 that you want to promote. 19 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:03.600 Please all right, my name is Solomon Pacall. You can 20 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:10.079 find me, most notably on substack mystery codex with Solomon Pacall, 21 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:12.599 where you can type in Solomon Pacall dot com. He'll 22 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:15.519 take you to my substack and there I write on 23 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:19.680 all the mysteries. I have a broad knowledge of the occult. 24 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.439 I've been a practitioner for over twenty years now. I 25 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:26.400 was born and raised in a tradition. I do biweekly 26 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:31.159 Mayan astrology world reports. I kind of keep the astrology 27 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:33.760 relevant to the times and like the really crazy times 28 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:36.599 we're going through right now. And I'll go ahead and say, 29 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:39.879 right now, using my astrology and just kind of a 30 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:47.000 cult investigative tools, on Friday, November is it twenty first, Yeah, 31 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:51.959 I'll be launching a series on the occultism found in 32 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.439 Jeffrey Epstein's temple on the island of Little Saint James. 33 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:58.319 What a lot of people don't know is that, yes, 34 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:01.040 he did occult rituals, and in fact, if there is 35 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:06.879 something close to that Luminati word, this would probably be 36 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.599 the close thing. Spoiler alert. It's much more complicated than that. 37 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:15.439 But there, I really dissect all of the symbolism that 38 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:18.719 we have found through drone footage on the ground, photographs 39 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:22.719 inside the temple, outside the temple, things like the sun dial, 40 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:26.240 the whole kind of composition of the island. The findings 41 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:30.960 will shock you. They have implications beyond. It's not really 42 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:35.360 anything the occult world has imagined thus far. All takes 43 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.439 thus far on the island have been done by Christian 44 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.080 conspiracy theorists that just want to slap a Satan label 45 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:43.120 on it and call it a day, And it is 46 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:46.280 much more complicated than that. And I think if you 47 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:48.719 have a genuine interest in this, you want to see 48 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:54.240 how complicated it gets, because this is I think it's 49 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:57.080 one of the occult findings of the century. We'll see 50 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.479 how it plays out. But yes, that will have to 51 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:03.000 be for paid subscribers only due to the sensitive nature 52 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:07.719 of the findings and just the subject matter in general. 53 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:11.759 And that actually has some relevant ties to what we're 54 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:14.319 talking about today with myn astrology and all of the 55 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.840 meso American mysteries. Believe it or not, things that went 56 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.960 on on that island have ties to the indigenous peoples 57 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:25.319 of the Americas. So I think a lot of people 58 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:29.199 will be interested, especially with the recent release of twenty 59 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:34.759 thousand emails that have crazy details about them with key 60 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.360 individuals around the world and key events from the last 61 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:41.520 ten years. So I encourage every lane to go to 62 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:44.919 Mystery Codex with all them call on substack. 63 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:47.319 Awesome, Thank you man. 64 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:49.919 Yeah, yeah, really look forward to when you saw putting 65 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:50.479 out that work. 66 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:50.960 For sure. 67 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.360 It's even from the things you were telling me prior 68 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:56.120 before starting the show. You've already piqued my interest. It 69 00:03:56.199 --> 00:04:00.599 definitely seems like a very well organized and deeply educated thing. 70 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.360 They were trying to do that, Like they're not stupid, 71 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:03.639 They're definitely. 72 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:05.719 No, there was. It was very professional. What was going on? 73 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:07.759 A professional better way to say it instead education? 74 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:10.879 Thank you. Yeah, it's it's kind of an understatements until 75 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:13.680 you look at the evidence and you dissect step by 76 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:16.720 step of like, oh, this is uh the Saint, uh, 77 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:20.639 the Saint the craft like the Saints, the Saints, your 78 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:21.600 daddy's LB r P. 79 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:26.560 Yeah, LB, you know that is funny. I like that, dude, 80 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:27.120 that's great. 81 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:30.920 Uh So I guess, I mean I I kind of 82 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.360 got a little bit. I mean obviously because of your background, 83 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:37.240 but I guess it well, actually, if you don't mind starting, 84 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:39.279 I guess like what got you into I guess the 85 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:41.759 esoteric and what stuff have you? Kind of like, I 86 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:44.439 guess like what experiences and studies do you have under 87 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:45.519 your belt? 88 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:47.639 I was born and I was born and raised in 89 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:51.920 a witchcraft tradition because my mother is indigenous Maya, she 90 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.000 comes from Guatemala, and my dad, he's an he's American, 91 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:57.160 but he was always the Indiana Jones type. He was 92 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:00.920 a former military man, former intel guy, and and him 93 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:02.759 and my mom went on a bunch of crazy adventures. 94 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:04.639 But the thing is is that my mother comes from 95 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:09.319 a essentially an informal lineage of what is called brujas 96 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:12.600 uh in Spanish. You know, it just means which, But 97 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.160 like Breja and brew Hedia, as would be, the art 98 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.000 is a real blanket term across Latin America, and it's 99 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:22.120 much more nuanced and much more regional. So when I'm 100 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.720 talking bruheti, I'm specifically talking about the region from where 101 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:28.720 my family comes from. But like you know, a lot 102 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.680 of people did magic, like in those countries, a lot 103 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:35.600 of people do magic, and it's almost like you're. 104 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.399 Open in those countries, like in South America. Then yeah, 105 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:39.920 I mean, isn't it. 106 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:41.800 It's you can. It's kind of like a yes and 107 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.120 a no, as in like you are constantly being scrutinized 108 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.319 by the Catholic Church and now like real hardcore Pentecostals. 109 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:52.920 But so it's kind of like there's an identity crisis 110 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.199 with Brewhetia. A lot of people don't like to talk 111 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:57.079 about this. People want to talk about brew Hedia as 112 00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:59.959 like being complete empowerments and stuff, and it's really not 113 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:02.600 that it's a lot of identity crisis because you will 114 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:07.920 go you'll do a pretty controversial ritual out of crossroads, 115 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.560 and then you will go back on Sunday, you'll go 116 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:13.639 to church and you'll pray for forgiveness. And honestly, this 117 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:15.639 is what a lot of drug cartels do as well, 118 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:18.639 like they'll do things with certain folk saints. They'll do 119 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.000 some things, or they'll do bad they'll execute people right, 120 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:23.839 and then they'll go to church and they'll pray it off. 121 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.680 And that kind of mentality is in Bruhidia as well. 122 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.680 And the thing is is that Bruhetia is kind of 123 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:37.000 hailed for having high level practical magic, which it does, 124 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:40.959 but I think Westerners kind of get their expectations maligned 125 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:45.199 with that because a lot of them come from like 126 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.759 Protestant Christian backgrounds, and they come from ceremonial backgrounds where 127 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.600 they may be getting frustrated with like the tangible results 128 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:55.199 of such workings, and then they're like, oh, well, these 129 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.879 this folk magic, this is where it's at, and then 130 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:00.399 they kind of get wrapped up into that, and then 131 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:02.920 there's some ceremonial types that just kind of look down 132 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:09.879 on folk magic and practical magic altogether. So either both 133 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:13.399 takes are misinformed and the truth is somewhere in the middle, 134 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:21.199 because Bruhetia is actually pulling from vast cosmologies, vast cosmologies 135 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:25.639 that many Brujas, because of the scrutiny of the Catholic Church, 136 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.360 they may not know the true origins of like some 137 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:30.360 of the things that they do. It was just kind 138 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:33.439 of handed down to them, and you will hear folk 139 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.759 tales and stuff and like little jingles, like little rhymes 140 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:40.800 and stuff that are passed down to family members, but 141 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.720 they're coming from bigger places and those are most notably 142 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:50.519 Catholic cosmology and even more most notably the meso American cosmologies, 143 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:54.839 depending on where you're coming from, where the Brewhetia tradition 144 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:58.000 is located, So in my case, it would be indigenous 145 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:03.079 Maya cosmologies that influence those things. So part of my 146 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:06.079 mission is actually kind of arguing for the sake of 147 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:11.600 saying that you know, Mayan magic in particular, but meso 148 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.360 American magic as a whole has more in common with 149 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:19.759 like Cornelius Agrippa than it does kind of like I 150 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:24.079 don't know, like the craft or something. You know, it's 151 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.439 much more. It's extracting from higher levels. And most certainly 152 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:32.080 the pre Columbian versions of these things were very like 153 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:35.240 high level you would describe them more ceremonial magic than 154 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.120 anything else, because they were happening in big, massive stone plazas, 155 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:42.200 in city squares with tens of thousands of people. So 156 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:45.360 it's like, that's not a jar spell, you know, I'm saying, 157 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:51.000 that's not a simple candlespell. That's an entire theatrical production 158 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:58.080 of ritual with people having key roles, embodying certain things 159 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:03.720 with astronomical timing, with precise astronomical timing, with actual systems 160 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:08.200 of mathematics that rival our own today. Uh, that takes systems. 161 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:11.000 That's not this kind of like loosey, goosey, hippie dippy 162 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:14.519 shamanic veneer with with dreadlocks and a you know, a 163 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:15.200 bag of weed. 164 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.120 Like it's it's. 165 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.279 Much more sophisticated, and there's a time and place for 166 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:25.559 those more like loosey goosey rituals. But like the stereotype 167 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:29.679 really holds the perception back, it really holds the reality back. 168 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.519 Even in modern day keeping the tradition of daykeeping. That's 169 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:36.840 fine and watermelive. Things can be very very ceremonial. Uh, 170 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:39.840 there's rituals that take up like several hours. 171 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:43.120 So oh yeah, even when I did a basic ritual 172 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:44.799 at my house, if I can, you know, consider like 173 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:46.799 the beds and setting all up. I mean, you co're 174 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:48.240 taking you a fuck an hour and a half anyway 175 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:50.440 with the meditations and everything, you know, And that's just 176 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:52.399 you know, it's just doing like the LB r P 177 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:54.279 and the hexagram, you know what I'm saying, Like. 178 00:09:54.559 --> 00:10:00.960 Yeah, yeah, so I grew up doing U. I grew 179 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:03.360 up in this my you know. At one point, like 180 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.000 I was too young to do it. My you know, 181 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.840 parents kind of kept it away from me. But what 182 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:12.919 really prompted it was someone came after my family. So 183 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.159 then it was like kind of witchcraft had to be 184 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:22.200 so commonplace to combat this that I got wind of 185 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.799 it started doing magic from a young age. Now where 186 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:27.559 I grew up. I was born in Washington, d C. 187 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:30.639 My mother was born in Watemala and then moved here. 188 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:34.799 But the thing is Washington, d C. Is very very 189 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:40.279 especially in minority communities, It's a very magical place. Uh, 190 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.080 it's really like the hot bed for magic between New 191 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:47.480 York and Miami, Florida, specifically for like Hispanic and Afro 192 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:54.279 Cuban communities. Now a lot of discip Okay, yeah, no, 193 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:59.519 it's that's a hot bed, especially for Afro Cubans and 194 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:04.000 so Afro Cuban traditions, and like Santa Ria and Ifa, 195 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:08.279 they are not like Indigenous American. They have ties to 196 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:10.480 it though, because like that's just the way history worked 197 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:13.039 in the last five hundred years. But let's here's some 198 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:18.320 on the ground knowledge. Essentially we have Botanica's and these 199 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:19.200 more minority lies. 200 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:20.639 That's you know, that's what I was going to bring 201 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:21.519 up before that. 202 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:24.879 Why another reason why I feel like, I guess like 203 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.200 the Latin Latinos or of the Latin whatever, they seem 204 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.639 me a little bit more open because like in certain 205 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:32.720 areas on Long Island, like I used to when I 206 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:35.200 lived in Long Island, I was just you know, practice 207 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:38.039 heavily as a ceremonial magician. If I was to go 208 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:41.759 into certain areas that was more of of of that 209 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:44.080 type of people, all of a sudden, I'd find botanicals. 210 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:45.559 I'm like, oh, now I can go find my herbs 211 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:47.879 and some candles because they seemed a little bit more 212 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:49.559 open to that stuff. But like, oh, we'll throw a 213 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:53.480 couple of Christian Catholic statues in there and it looks okay, 214 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.320 you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, but like 215 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:58.240 to me, it's just like they seemed a little bit 216 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:00.720 more open to like all the RB and the candles 217 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:02.559 to this and then all these little saints you'll pray 218 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:03.600 you do to ask that. 219 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:08.759 Like yeah, yeah, it's very I don't want to say 220 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.720 it's so, I guess in some ways it's a bit 221 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.600 more apologetic, but like there is an inherent apologies apologeticism 222 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:21.799 for lack of better words, to all of the syncretized practices. Really, syncretism, 223 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:25.679 period is a way to just survive while trying to 224 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:27.960 keep a hold of your indigenous traditions, whether they be 225 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:34.360 indigenous American or indigenous African and or even indigenous European too, 226 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:36.960 using a folk stand to cover up some kind of 227 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:42.759 European spirit that made its way over here. But syncretism 228 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:46.320 is that the logistics behind it that I kind of 229 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.120 want to teach everybody whenever I talk about this, of 230 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:52.960 like why Santidia is relevant to at least the discussion 231 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:58.679 of Diaspiric Maya people in the Americas and Diaspec Maya 232 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.519 uh practitioners is because we would have to go to 233 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:08.240 these botanicas for tools and ingredients and stuff. But the 234 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:12.320 people that owned the shops were typically like Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, 235 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.639 Cubans there were you know, have the Afro Cuban tradition. 236 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:19.559 So the lingua franca of these botanicas was Santteria. It 237 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:23.279 was not like it was I was the lingua franca 238 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.600 and you would have things like something mark a Potanica. 239 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:28.960 You can find all kinds of eclectics, syncretics stuff from 240 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:34.159 Latin America. But seven and I this is not a overestimation. 241 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:37.679 Around seventy percent if not more, of the clientele that 242 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:40.240 would come into these were people of Mexican and Central 243 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.960 American descent, so i e. People of indigenous American descent, 244 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:49.600 primarily that of meso America. So that's why we we 245 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:52.360 have kind of like a vernacular when it comes to Santidia. 246 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.200 And we got involved in Santhia too because it was 247 00:13:54.200 --> 00:14:00.240 so much I mean, it was just so prevalent and 248 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:04.320 it provided kind of like a backbone of kind of 249 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:07.360 practice with other people, and I allow for good cross training. 250 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:11.799 So and when I say cross training, i'd like it's 251 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:14.360 kind of informal. It's very cultural, but like you get 252 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.759 together with people at parties and you do magic. That's 253 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:19.200 like kind of the background that I come from, and 254 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:22.519 it's very surprising to me. I think this is more 255 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:24.600 of a commentary and the cultural divide in the United 256 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.360 States because I know a lot of Western practitioners and 257 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:32.480 they're some famous, right, and they live near these neighborhoods 258 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.279 and they don't go there, but they are very interested 259 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.799 in like real magic and getting results. And I'm not 260 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.279 trying to chastise them because I understand, especially for my 261 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.559 time in growing up in DC, a very multicultural city, 262 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:48.320 but also I was in the military for ten years 263 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:51.360 and a big part of my job boy was hearts 264 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:56.159 and minds and cultural like cross cultural competency and crossing cultures, 265 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:59.759 especially linguistically. It can be a very intimidating thing. I understand. 266 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.159 If you don't know much Spanish and you know you're 267 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:04.919 just learning, you're probably going to be saying stuff like 268 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:07.759 a toddler and it might cause some snickers. And that 269 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:10.600 is I've seen it with Spanish I've seen with Hindi, 270 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.960 I've seen it with Swahili, So yeah, it can be 271 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.679 a kind of a intimidating feeling. But you still have 272 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:19.159 that going on in the United States, and I do 273 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.200 think that's a barrier that needs to be broken, because 274 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:24.840 it's not so much that I want to see like 275 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.679 Hekata and Fay statues on botanicas, but I do want 276 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:32.919 to see the cross cultural training between magical systems because 277 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:36.840 what a lot of more I guess you could say 278 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.840 Western systematized practices have I think folk magic needs and 279 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:44.039 a lot of the high efficacy, like bite down on 280 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:48.440 your mouthpiece, regutting results at all costs from real folk 281 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.240 magic practitioners needs to be studied by Western people in 282 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:55.639 a much more like communal fashion and like an organic fashion. 283 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:57.960 And I feel like a lot of people, really there's 284 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.480 all kinds of these folk magic communities around the United States, 285 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:04.440 not just in DC, Miami, in New York. But I 286 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:06.399 find that a lot of people are learning their folk 287 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:10.399 magic from just stuff on the Internet. And you know, 288 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:12.399 you got to make do with what you can, but 289 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:16.159 I think you should be kind of trying to find people, 290 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:18.320 especially in the twenty first century, when we're so digital, 291 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:25.120 we need to find people to practice with, even especially 292 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.360 if they're different from us, so that we can cross 293 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:31.519 train and have comparative analysis. That comparative analysis is what 294 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:33.200 is going to enhance the occult, and it's going to 295 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:35.840 raise the standard of the occult. I'll address this really 296 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.080 quick because we were talking about it beforehand. But like 297 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:41.360 people get so hung up on like Crowley and Manly 298 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:44.200 p Hall and Blovotsky and all these people, and truth 299 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.399 be told, I think when we talk about them, we 300 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:50.120 should talk about surpassing them, because there's a lot of 301 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:53.000 people that, like love Crawley today that are better practitioners 302 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.759 than him. The standard of the occult needs to be raised, 303 00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:59.480 and we're not going to get that by consistently looking 304 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.399 to the past and like getting all nostalgic about it 305 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.640 and saying how like amazing these people were and nobody's 306 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:06.839 going to top them, and you. 307 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:08.279 Know what, you know, I think it's interesting if we 308 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:10.880 were to look at who influenced them, you'd be like, 309 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:12.839 you motherfuckers really didn't do much. 310 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.480 Yeah, yeah, I mean, because really, I forget the name. 311 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:18.279 If you look at some of the nastic saints that 312 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.200 he was in you know that he lists and that 313 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:22.960 he you know, wasn't impressed by this ship that they 314 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:25.240 put out was much more impressive than anything it is. 315 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:29.480 Yes, I mean, like overall, uh, a lot of these 316 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:34.079 people came from like privileged backgrounds. And I mean, here's 317 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:36.880 the thing, just because you're right about the occult doesn't 318 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:44.039 necessarily mean that you're a good practicing occultist. And you know, 319 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:46.200 there are some authors that are like really about that 320 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:51.799 life too, And you know, I think it's also kind 321 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:53.799 of a hard thing to gauge as well, because like 322 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:57.480 nobody hears hitting the numbers that like Jay Shetty or 323 00:17:57.559 --> 00:17:59.640 Joe Dispensa are. But at the same time, I think 324 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:01.079 if you read between the lines, you all know that 325 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:04.519 they're not really practitioners of their own like whatever the 326 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:06.920 spiritual path may be, right, they wouldn't say a cultist, 327 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.359 but it's all on the same purview. But I think, 328 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:16.039 you know, there's just so much more things we can 329 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:20.799 learn from comparing and contrasting with better practice going forward. 330 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:24.319 I think that's what we need to do, the explore 331 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:25.200 some of the esoteric. 332 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:27.079 Even think some of the people that, like a lot 333 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:29.319 of people get hung up on their their visional what 334 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.240 they spoke about was also so narrow minded, but it 335 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:34.440 was just kind of on one area that like, there's 336 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.200 so much more to look at besides what those people 337 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:38.640 hung up on are known for. 338 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:44.119 Yeah, and I mean most notably so so like maso America. Right, 339 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.960 like we were just talking, I believe the next frontier 340 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:51.920 for magic should be everything mayso American because it's an 341 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.920 entire world of magic that has yet to be explored. 342 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.839 Even South America has been just kind of culturally appropriated. 343 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:02.279 And what I mean by that, it's not just like 344 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:05.920 being rude to the host culture. Cultural appropriation narrows the 345 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.559 view of the practice and causes these stereotypes when I 346 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:10.839 say South American magic people are just like, oh, jess 347 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.920 ayahuasca because it's like such a powerful thing, but there's 348 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:17.759 so much more beneath the surface. And I experienced this 349 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:21.000 with my own magic too. And the thing is that 350 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:26.519 you don't build ten thousand plus pyramids this is meso America. 351 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:29.279 You don't build ten thousand plus pyramids with your own 352 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.640 revolutionary mathematical system that rivals what we have today and 353 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:36.279 conduct rituals with tens of thousands of people in city 354 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:43.359 plazas with precise astronomical precision. By like, that's not a 355 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:46.599 passive thing, and that actually that all those components combine 356 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:49.440 would suggest that it is one of the most powerful 357 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:54.839 occult systems or series of systems in the world. It's 358 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:57.720 just massive, like people don't understand the scale. Part of 359 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.279 this is also kind of like just like the the 360 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:02.960 history of popularity. So what I mean by that is 361 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:08.440 that when Cooley and the Occult Revival was coming up, right, 362 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:12.400 what was happening at that time, archaeology was brand new. 363 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:15.960 So the thing is is that archaeology was used to 364 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:18.599 be very unprofessional as a field, but the first place 365 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:23.640 that they went for fascination reasons and because it's easier 366 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:26.599 to get to was Egypt because it's easier to dig 367 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:29.960 in the desert, then it's the jungle. So a lot 368 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:35.440 of the occult revival romanticization of ancient cultures specifically comes 369 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:41.079 from Egyptology. So it causes this fetishization of Egypt and 370 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:43.160 sometimes makes it out to be something that it's not. 371 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:47.920 And why that is inherently unhealthy is because it basically 372 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.799 focuses us to look at Egypt from a nineteen twenties 373 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.079 like perspective from these occultists when there's a whole bigger 374 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:58.680 world out there. And I'm not trying to knock Egypt, 375 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:03.640 because Egypt is amazed has one of the original writing 376 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.400 systems in the world, the original writing systems being Egyptian 377 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:13.720 higher glyphs, Chinese Hansei, Mesopotamian Quneiform, and Maya hieroglyphics. So 378 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:18.599 I'm not knocking Egypt, but simply the over focusing on 379 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:22.160 Egypt has allowed us to make stereotypes that are completely 380 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:29.319 unrealistic about Egypt and Egypt's potential in magic. So yeah, 381 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.480 the next hotbed, I like, the next untapped resource is 382 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:36.960 meso America, and I would also argue the actual Maso 383 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:40.799 people of meso American descent are an untapped resource. I'll 384 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:44.279 give you an example right now, the best pound for 385 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:47.200 pound fighters in the world, like the we look at 386 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:51.559 all the men's divisions in the UFC, the majority of 387 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:53.680 them are like a considerable amount of them are going 388 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:57.799 to come from the caucus regions of Central Asia bordering Europe. 389 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:03.160 So like Habibnrmagamanov, uh morob Vallas, really Ilios Koria, these 390 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:08.440 guys really grew up with a native wrestling pategree that 391 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:10.200 makes them some of the best fighters in the world. 392 00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:12.960 The thing is is that they're really only starting in 393 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:14.680 the last few years to kind of come up on 394 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:17.519 the scene. Why is that they just never really had 395 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:21.960 the platform, Like they were too busy fighting across the 396 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:26.640 ocean and these like very like nomad circuits because they 397 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:29.440 couldn't get to an American audience and many of them 398 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:31.920 have language barriers. They're not as marketable as like other 399 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:34.599 as other fighters that like have paink care and have 400 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:37.960 slick striking styles. But they were probably the best fighters 401 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.240