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how are you doing doing well?

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Speaker 2: Pete? Happy Sunday, Happy Sunday?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, do very well?

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Speaker 1: All right, yeah, yeah, you I already asked you that

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I'm retarded. So all right, so let's just there's one question,

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all right, that's been thrown in on YouTube. So you

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want to run to this. This one be easy for

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you to get.

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Speaker 2: Where is it?

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Speaker 1: Scroll up says who are the best historians who write

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in Spanish on the Spanish Civil War? Unbiased or with

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nationalist biases?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Gosh, that is that's a challenge for me because I

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haven't I have attacked the body of Spanish language material.

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What I'll explain everyone kind of how I got where

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I'm at as far as what I ended up studying.

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Maybe that's a good baseline. What I attacked the topic

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of the Spanish Civil War and research into it based

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on wanting to be able to write a fictional story

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of an American who goes there and eventually becomes a

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belligerent official belligerent, which led me down the pathways of

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you know, what kind of units could you be in?

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You know, foreigners had to go into the Spanish legion,

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et cetera. So my my research unless it was something

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that I was just interested in, if I wanted to

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tell stories about individual people in specific locations, I read

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English language material and then I ended up reviewing Spanish

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language materials. So when I most of my Spanish language

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material that I've delved into is more associated with the

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Carlists and the Novar Brigades than or individual like tiny

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topics like specific weaponry or stuff about specific campaigns. So

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I'm not really qualified to judge the Spanish Spanish academia

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related to that, there's a lot of really great material

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out of Navarre that's out there and historians who've been

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doing work. If you do local, if you do local work,

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there's a lot of really great material that's still being

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done in Spain by Spanish people kind of outside of

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academia or on the periphery of it, associated with specific localities.

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But I'm sorry, I can't really address that unfortunately. I

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would say though that if you look at my my

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sub stack, I do have a bibliography in there, and

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there's some Spanish language material in there, and I one

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of the big areas, honestly, and I'm revisiting this peete

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related to our project for talking about kind of the

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the tech tree of liberal ideas and the different political

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factions that formed in Spain really nineteenth century as it

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relates to the twentieth century, and so I spent a

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lot of time reading about the anarchist memoirs and stuff

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like that. So I read a lot of Catalonian anarchist

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memoirs as well, or Spaniards who ended up overseas and

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then came back for the war, because there were a

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lot out of South American Spanish who came back because

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of their anarchism and their and their various activism because

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that's where the action was, and they would also get

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executed and in South America. So so it's it's tough

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to talk about. But if you look at that bibliography,

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you'll see a number of sources. There's Navar. Oh gosh,

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it's it's recutezz dot e s. The page just went away,

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But I have a link to it in my substack

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Carl Dahl dot substack dot com. Uh, from material related

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to the Carlists as well as in the bibliography that

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my kind of my introduction to the novel is in

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there also, UH where I link out to an archive

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of uh the Novar Brigade kind of unofficial historians. Uh,

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there's that stuff's out there, but it's in in an archive.

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to see some really interesting, unbiased stuff and that that

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again is very carlist centric navarre in Basque centric material.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I just want to say I want to thank

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So all right, I got a question for Yeah, are

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you familiar with beatified and canonized martyrs from the from

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the War?

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Speaker 3: I know of them, but I'm not fluent on the topic.

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I know that they're that that did take place, that

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they were formally beatified and canonized martyrs by the cathol

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that specifically being non non Catholic. Just for transparency's sake.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I guess I do want to

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say this because I guess it's the topic of the day,

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other than if we were if we weren't talking about this. Yeah, Yeah,

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there's a lot of there's a lot of Christian our

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our Christian brothers and sisters and their children in Syria

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right now that you really need to be thinking about

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and praying about. Because I'm not going to comment on

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what happened in Syria. Nobody knows, So if you want

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my speculation, I wrote. Check my comments on Twitter. I

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had a couple comments, but that's all I'm doing until

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I know more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too too hard to know what's going on

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over there, and having had to watch it in that

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whole situation being I feel like it's been fairly pivotal

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for me, like in the teens, to go from just

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being kind of a black pilled like post libertarian who's

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just like, I don't want to participate in paying attention

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to this horrific stuff to actually turning on that and

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being like, no, I'm not going to be quiet and

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afraid to talk about these kinds of topics because of

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what's going on has been going on in serious since

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America did its thing. There's a lot of horrible information

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out there. There's a lot of people that just want

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to blackpill you. They want you to feel defeated. There's

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I saw people who are supposedly on our side, and

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I'm not going to name any names, but like pushing

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stuff from authors of from Tablet magazine, which is a

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Jew for Jew publication, and the only non Jews who

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read it are good boys and anti Semites, like no

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one else, no one else reads it. But there are

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people pushing their stuff as like Netan Yaho is this

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like great man of his It's it's so retarded Obama

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is and his friends in Iran. You know, it's it's

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the dumbest. Almost everything being talked about on that topic

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is dumb and it sucks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the way I look at it is I'm

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done with the faggots who, Yeah, if you have any

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hope whatsoever, if you put your faith in anything and

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it they're oh, oh you're just coping. Oh look look

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you were wrong, so what so what so? I mean,

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fucking see Canadian healthcare if that's your life, honestly, really,

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see Canadian healthcare one thing. See your life if your

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life is just black pilling, if you're just you know,

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this is what I said. This is what I said

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on Twitter this morning. I said it is one of

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my comments is because Thomas was talking about it and

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I said, you know, you're coping, like quote unquote, you're

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coping is the favorite refrain of the dooomer, who believes

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that by either not taking sides or by changing with

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the wind, they are somehow above it all, and therefore

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they're smarter than you. They're too brilliant to be emotionally

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invested in outcomes. Therefore everyone is either their op or

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everyone's a dupe. Well, go fuck yourself and your mother,

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I mean, really, go fuck yourselves. I mean, honestly, I

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mean take the easy way out, do it.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, No, it's no, absolutely I agree. And there is

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one kind of parallel here, like with how everyone is

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feeling right now that comes up related to the Spanish

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Civil War, and it's it's that whole question around why

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did Spain not formally become a part of the axis.

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And what we see with Russia's has been scaling back

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what they were doing in Syria because their focus is

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on you know, Ukraine and Nova Russia and you know,

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taking care of the highest priority for them. And it sucks,

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but you there are times when you have to make

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choices based on what's best for your people and what

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you're able to influence, and losing two wars is worse

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than winning one war.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks.

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Speaker 3: I don't like it, but sometimes you are in a

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situation where you can't win two wars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't. I just don't get the people

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who like if you say, if I say, I hope

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this is what happens, and then it doesn't happen, they

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like lack fit you. Yeah, and it's fine to laugh

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at me, It's fine, but just understand, seek Canadian healthcare.

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That's my response to you, okay, because there are whole

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families being slaughtered right now and you're like online telling people,

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oh you you were wrong about this. The fuck yourself

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all right now that I'm done with that. Do we

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know what year Russia started having a presence in Spain

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as far as spreading their you know, spreading their version

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of communism and Bolshevism.

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Speaker 3: So there is if you look at the in the

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nineteenth century, the International, so what became the Communist International.

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There was an original Inner National uh, and there were

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there were a couple international kind of communist slash socialists

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slash liberal groups would where the kind of the market

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that was the marketplace of ideas for the left socialists

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for a very long time. And ultimately what happened is

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like but Cunin and marks. Their personal differences and falling

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outs led to splintering into different groups, and it there

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were these iterations of these international organizations that were pre Soviet,

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but it was like that. It was the development of

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what would ultimately become like an international Bolshevist movement. It

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took it took decades to mature over time, and so

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these ideas were going into Spain and they would have

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their own representatives that would go to various groups. Sometimes

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it would be there was that International Workingmen's Organization which

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was primarily anarchists, although they were really comfortable inviting other

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people in who were more different flavors of socialism to

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try to have greater influence in a broader base, although

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ultimately they wanted to push for an anarchist angle. And

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so there's that interchange of ideas in people, right, that

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was going on for a very long time, but formally

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Soviet doesn't really start happening until the very late but

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it's there were people who were going in the twenties

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during the Primo de Rivera dictatorship, there were some who

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were going to the Soviet Union from Spain. It happened

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more in the thirties under the Republic where there was

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more of an interchange. The lead generals in the Republican

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Army were all men who had come out of the

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various socialist and communist political parties who went to the

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Soviet Union and were trained in their international military academies

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for in the Russian slash Soviet method of war. And

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magically when they start getting you know, all the Soviet

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supplies and equipment and start putting red stars on the

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Republican Army uniforms and in their insignia and have like

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and communism takes over. These guys are in charge. So

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that was really where it really really accelerated was in

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the thirties under the republic NKVD people were there. During

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the thirties, Largo Kabairo was a prime minister I want

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to say Pete for a while who had been a

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part of a His party was a socialist party, but

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he personally became a Bolshevik communist aligned with the Soviet Union,

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kind of in secrecy despite what his formal the formal

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title and formal ideology of his party during the nineteen thirties,

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through his reading when he was in prison, especially for

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agitation under Primo de Rivera, and then also a little

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bleeding over a little bit into the into the Republic.

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Speaker 2: So it was it was these layers of the.

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Speaker 3: Influence accelerating really formally in the nineteen thirties to the

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point where by July nineteen thirty six it was people

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were learning that it was an entirely Soviet project. At

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a certain point the formal Republican government was indistinguishable from

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one being one hundred percent Soviet control. Accepting Catalunya, that

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just going to say to the chat if

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Spanish Civil War, put them in entropy. It doesn't mean

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you have to do a super chat. You can just

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put them in entropy. If you guys want to discuss

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Siria in the chat, then I'm just going to close

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the chat and not look at it, Okay, because I

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have plenty of questions here to keep this going for

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Speaker 3: So can I throw out one quick answer? Phil Blair

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asks a question in the chat about material originally written

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in Basque. Similar similar response Philip to what I had

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said before about where my focus was is I was.

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I spent most of my time digging into Spanish sources

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to fill gaps and Basque material is tricky because Basque

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nationalism has retconned itself into being this like moderate republican nonsense,

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which it never which is a very inaccurate way of

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describing it. There's a nascent, resurgent recitee carlost Recute type

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movement going on in the Basque country which is totally

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their heritage and is very exciting. If you check out

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of my articles on the recuitees in my sub stack,

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that has some material in Basque UH, and then also

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some material in Spanish UH castelliing Cathelian Spanish UH that

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talks about the Basque perspective. Navarre was largely Basque. Navar

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fragmented nature of the Spanish nation and the and the

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localism of it. But the the NEvAr Brigades were hugely Basque,

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whether or not they portrayed themselves that way.

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Speaker 1: So h Chris Young has a question. He says, is

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there any remnant of Carlism left in today today in Spain?

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Speaker 2: So I don't know quite how to describe bit.

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's closer to our actual scenario where

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there are kind of traditionalist, possibly even reactionary people in

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our sphere who are using the symbolism as a as

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a representation of their historical ties to Spain and kind

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of a conservative, reactionary, you know, perspective on the direction

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the country's going in.

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Speaker 2: I have a.

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Speaker 3: There's a review of my novel Faction with the Crusaders

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that was written by a Spaniard who has a house

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of Bourbon. The the Carlist uh their their preferred battle flag,

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which is the white banner with the red cross, the

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red jagged cross as his avatar, and he said it

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was the best novel by a foreigner he'd read on

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his country's civil war, which to me was like the

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highest compliment a person could pay to it. But anyway,

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he I asked him about you know, you're repping these colors.

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Is there a movement? And he basically said it's nascent,

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but you will see there has been little bits of

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like street fighting against you know, communists and antifoot types

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in some areas, and then also against the you know,

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the the migrant migrants swelling in Spain, and I've seen

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guys with carlist face masks, like it's the white mask

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with the red cross on it, which is pretty bad ass.

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So I went, I don't know quite how to describe it.

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but like spiritually being motivated by it, which is the

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most important thing in my opinion, is that the feelings

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in the spirit are more important than the ideas in

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a lot of ways, especially in this kind of nascent

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nascent time. I hope that answers the question.

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Speaker 1: This is a good question. Were there are Americans who

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fought for the national side.

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Speaker 3: Yes, very very few that we know about, and it's

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kind of it's kind of tricky. So that's one of

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the one of the themes in my novel is that

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if you look at like most of what we know

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in the English language about the Spanish Civil Wars from

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a British perspective, right, there's Orwell who wrote about his

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experience with the that you ugt. He was with the UGT, right,

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which is a corny, a corney socialist movement, but he

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was all on board on the destruction of the churches

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and killing of priests and nuns like I despise orwell

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with a passion.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think nineteen eighty five, I think nineteen eighty

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four is is way overblown.

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Speaker 2: Is a good book, It's exactly.

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Speaker 3: I think it's something that you read as a kid

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to understand the basics. But his problem was was the

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fact that they were coming after him and not just

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going with you know, yeah, it it's this like I

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want my choose, choose your own, choose your own communism, right,

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you know, it's like he aligned with He didn't know

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what he was talking about and what he was getting

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himself into and who he was aligning himself with when

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he went into that war. And he says it himself

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in homage to Catalonia's So anyway, so we have his perspective.

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of Trouble, which is a great book. But the number

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one thing that should jump out to everyone when they

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read this book, and it's what jumped out to me,

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is that he had the permission of British intelligence to

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be there, and he became a British intelligence asset. When

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you go into a foreign war, if you are if

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people know about it in your government before you go,

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you will be having chats you don't. This isn't this

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brugged individualist crap. He was briefed before he went by

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people with connections to British intelligence who.

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Speaker 2: Were operating for British intelligence.

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Speaker 3: And then he was being debriefed every time he went

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back to England and when he was talking to English

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people in business in government in England. He was an

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intelligence asset. And then he went into the s OE

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in World War Two. That's what my character does in

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this book. He's part of the this Anglo American group

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uh that was around uh Donovan, Bill Donovan, operating in

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Spain and around the world. But it's it was kind

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of a loose, loose, semi unofficial intelligence organization. But Bill

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Donovan worked for the president, he worked for FDR. And

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the joke is quote unquote despite the differences in their

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political parties, because Donovan was a Republican. It's laughable, you know,

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in the current year, when you when you see that

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as a caveat so Anyway, the the the long and

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the short of it is that Americans who were over

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there volunteering. We know about some pilots, and we know

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about a handful of people who are in the in

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the legion, and many of them became very persecuted when

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they came back to the United States unless they played

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ball and went to work for you know, whatever the whatever.

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Speaker 2: The big game was going to be.

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Speaker 3: And so that's what my character does is through through

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Bill Donovan, because they when I was writing the story

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I was reading, I knew that Bill Donovan had been

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in and out of Spain at the tail end of

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the war and was involved in a lot of the

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negotiations with Franco's people and then of course the British.

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one foreign investment and ownership of interests in Spanish mining

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and factories and everything was British and they had a

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very close relationship for around two hundred years between Britain

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and Spain, you know, including their you know, quote unquote

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intervention against Napoleon. Like it goes back a very long time.

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that's been there since the mid seventeen hundreds for the

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Spanish diet, not diaspora, but really ruling class and people

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doing business in Britain. They're intertwined. Their upper classes have

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been intertwined for a very long time. I have characters

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that demonstrate that, and it's very important to understand that

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when you talk about the British negotiating with Franco and everything.

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Franco was supplied trucks like thousands, ten thousand trucks and

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fuel from American and British interests who stopped supporting the

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Republicans because they everyone knew the Republicans were Bolsheviks, like

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it was the common knowledge. And then it stopped being

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common knowledge, you know, after nineteen forty five, Gollie. So

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the Americans who were in this in this operation, you know,

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on the Nationalists side, generally, if they came back to

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the United States, you know, our government knew about it,

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and they were told this you're going to play ball

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or you got to get out of here. There was

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an Italian American pilot who had fought for the Nationalists

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who the was so agitated by the way that he

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was treated by the American government. He was born in

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the United States, but his parents were from Italy. That

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he went back to Italy and he fought for the

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Italians during World War Two because they because he didn't

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want to play ball with them. So that's there. Really

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weren't that many that we know about publicly, and my

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theory from what I've been able to find, is that

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that's how it really worked out, as most of them ended.

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A bunch of them would have died because they would

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have been in the Spanish Legion, which who were shock troops,

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or they would have plugged into the American system afterwards

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and just not been talked about because you wouldn't have

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been talking about that in the nineteen fifties and sixties.

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Speaker 1: So just a couple of super chats. Shawn See over

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on Entropy says, pray for Syria, absolutely screwed up. Rebellion

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over on Rumble says, blessed Lord's Day, Pete and Carl,

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God bless and thank you for everything you do. See

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you two, thank you. Uh well, let's see what else

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we got here. Yeah, someone had mentioned here that in

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the new Oppenheimer movie they they portrayed the Spanish Civil

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War as the current thing, and everybody was on the

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side of the Republicans. All the college ship, yes, were

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on the side of the Republican Yeah, no ship. Yeah,

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that's it's true.

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Speaker 3: My my alma mater has a a monument to the

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Spanish Civil War volunteers from from that university, and fortunately

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a lot of them were killed.

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Speaker 1: The All right, the okay, let's see next one. What's

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the first official engagement conflict of the war from the

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nationalist side.

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Speaker 3: So that's it's hard because the the very the day

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of the rising I think really counts. It wasn't because

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there were battles all over the whole country, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: That there they were able to play it off where.

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Speaker 3: A handful of people were able to go in and

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just like take control of a military base and then

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they would hold the city Zaragosa, for example. We never

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hear anything about that because that was a almost one

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hundred percent nationalist city where there was very little fighting.

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Speaker 2: The Libtards were dealt with very quickly.

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Speaker 3: In Navarre, uh, there were they basically rounded up all

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the Libtards. There was a little bit of fighting. There's

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some image which is that you can find if you

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look at Navar, July nineteen thirty six images of some

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libtards who ended up getting stuck in towers and stuff

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and were uh. It took a little bit of fighting

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to get rid of them, but it was taken care

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of in about two days. And so it was everywhere

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in the everywhere in the country during the during the uprising,

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as far as like rolling battles that happened after that

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a couple of days, the NEvAr brigades and the Recatae

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militias began marching south from Navarre, and a lot of

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and the after securing Barcelona and Catalonia in general and

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massacring people on their way, the CNTI militants drove north

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into Oregon because they were trying to get to Zaragoza,

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a mountain plateau area, very beautiful area by the way,

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and there was a pretty some pretty gnarly battles to

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get through that where they the Carlists absolutely crushed the

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anarchists up there and then steamrolled south, and then they

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ended up smacking into each other and creating lines that

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were fairly static after not very long in that area,

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so and reinforcing along those lines. One of the big

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a map of Spain, you absolutely have to have topography

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turned on, and then all the lines that you see

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makes sense because of mountains and rivers and everything like that,

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especially the mountains.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 3: Of other battles that were rolling battles, but we talked

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a little bit the last time about a Koruna and

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local nationalist garrison against the libtards from the start of

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the war. So there were there were lots of pockets

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a nationalist garrison or like they would hold a city

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or a garrison and just hold so.

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Speaker 1: Screwed up Texas over here mentions that you know what

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happens every couple of years, happened this week. Redditors were

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freaking out because they found out that Tolkien supported Franco

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and the nationalists.

479
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, it was.

480
00:34:54,519 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 3: It was a very common perspective, and they the press

481
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:08,320
didn't even have the moment, have a pro Republican momentum,

482
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:14,760
and outside of you know, the usual suspect controlled press,

483
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,840
that that was entirely it. And then they always say

484
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,000
Guernica was this pivotal point. No, Guernica was a propaganda

485
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:29,360
like coup for for the libtards, but that didn't change

486
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,679
people's perspectives.

487
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: It was just this they had this data.

488
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: Point, but it when in reality it was just modern warfare,

489
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,679
like look at look at the way America prosecuted World

490
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:44,800
War Two. You can't you can't say that you're better

491
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,679
than the Wehrmacht in Spain when you're when you're British

492
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,679
or American, it's get out of here.

493
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: Mak seb Over on Rumble says, I've read Fashion with

494
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,199
Your Crusaders and gave a detailed review on m is

495
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on five stars.

496
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,519
Speaker 3: Oh thanks, thank you, glad you enjoyed it all right,

497
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,960
So thanks for the review. I want to emphasize that

498
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,519
the review authors live and die like like, visibility and

499
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,880
interest in our work lives and dies by these reviews.

500
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,559
Speaker 2: Thank you for the review.

501
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:21,079
Speaker 3: If there's anyone else out there who's bought and read

502
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:22,119
my book and enjoyed it.

503
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: Your review would be very much appreciated.

504
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 3: You're not going to get dogs because you read a

505
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,440
book on a fictional book and review it.

506
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: On Amazon, So thank you very much. I appreciate that

507
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,440
a lot.

508
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,559
Speaker 1: Who are degenerate society asked who are some of the

509
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:45,440
other popular any popular figures or famous people at the

510
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,559
time who supported the war or who were really bad

511
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:54,280
on the war. Oh, I mean I would assume a

512
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,480
lot would have been bad.

513
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: On the war. A lot would have been bad. Yeah.

514
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: If you really want to get as as the girls say,

515
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:09,400
the I check out the people who write glowing reviews

516
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:15,840
about the Spanish Republicans and the like Paul Robison, who

517
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,360
is this black communist singer went to went to Spain

518
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:28,039
and would shuck and jive for the for the Abraham

519
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,159
Lincoln Brigades and all the and the other groups, and

520
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:37,039
like he sang a song in Yiddish because because the

521
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:42,239
the International Brigades were so heavily Jewish, and he was again, uh,

522
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:50,440
Paul Robison was absolutely a creation of of Jewish propagandists also,

523
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:56,599
so yeah, it's it's really it's really yucky. But from

524
00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:59,239
what I've been able to tell like, so, so when

525
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,280
Stormy and you have been talking a lot about the

526
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:10,159
America First, like what was going on behind it, what

527
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:16,400
was leading up to the you know, the the activities

528
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:19,920
of America First and some of the kind of proactive

529
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,960
attempts that that that they were discussing and attempting to make.

530
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,119
And what I would say is, and I can speak

531
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,679
authoritatively for this because that was a very big deal

532
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,559
in my family and like my family history was very

533
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:40,239
much impacted by the America First movement. I have a grandfather,

534
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:41,960
I'll just be candid about it.

535
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: I have.

536
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: I had two grandfathers from that generation, of course, and

537
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,320
one of them, his his story is kind of told

538
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,199
in a wink wink way in my book where German

539
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:04,679
surname and he was named after a neighbor kid who

540
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,960
was killed in the very first battle America participated in

541
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,039
World War One. And he was the only child of

542
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:16,159
this Greek couple who lived next to my great grandparents,

543
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:24,159
and he was killed like weeks before my grandfather was born.

544
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,000
And they, of course, having lost their only child, are

545
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:34,280
just going insane, and they begged and begged my great

546
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,280
grandmother to name her child after theirs if it was

547
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,440
a boy, and it was a boy, and so rather

548
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,280
than getting the name that he would have expected to get,

549
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,000
they put his father's name as his middle name, and

550
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:54,320
then gave him a Greek name that he as his

551
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,880
Christian name that he came to hate because it was

552
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,800
very odd in a like Nordic and German and English area,

553
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,280
and it was a very and at the time like

554
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,079
everyone had the most Anglo version of what their name

555
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:13,599
would be would be with how it was pronounced and

556
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,639
the name that you would go under. And so when

557
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:20,320
he turned eighteen, he changed his name to buy but

558
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:23,199
he was respectful enough that he switched it around to

559
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:26,119
where he then had the Greek middle name. Anyway, so

560
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:28,360
he was a little older because he was born in

561
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:36,239
nineteen seventeen, and as the war mania was being pushed

562
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,599
in the press, everyone's talking about it, and as we

563
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:44,119
know from surveys from the time, you know, eighty some

564
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,519
percent up to ninety percent of the country wanted nothing

565
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:50,079
to do with another war in Europe.

566
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: And my.

567
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 3: Great grandmother made her sons promise not to fall for

568
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,719
what she knew was going to happen is that there

569
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,719
was going to be a war, and she made them promise,

570
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,760
you know, this is the right thing. Promised to me,

571
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,079
that you will not join the military. And my grandfather

572
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:15,559
promised along with his brother. He was the only one

573
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,639
who kept that promise. And you know what, he ate

574
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,199
shit for the rest of his life because of it.

575
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:26,400
He was already a firefighter, he had been a firefighter

576
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,800
for some time, so he was exempt and from the

577
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:38,559
draft because it was necessary, you know, critical critical operations.

578
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:40,519
And he was about twenty five years old when the

579
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:42,960
war started. But he ate shit for the rest of

580
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:49,320
his life, like professionally and personally socially because of he

581
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:53,320
did what was the right thing and kept a promise

582
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,519
because he knew that his you know, to the people

583
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,039
who wanted who wanted this war, the point was for

584
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:05,559
him to go kill his cousins, go kill Christians, and

585
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:06,599
he knew not to do that.

586
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: So I take that very seriously.

587
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:15,679
Speaker 3: And what I can say is there was plenty if

588
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:19,719
you look at America first material that was out there,

589
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:25,519
those newspapers, et cetera. Those were pro nationalists. They were

590
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:29,119
also pro let's not get involved, you know, let's stay

591
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:32,599
out of this war because they also saw it as

592
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:37,159
a potential precursor and so they were very much supporting

593
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:45,079
the neutrality arrangement that America was a part of, to

594
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:49,159
where they were, you know, selling trucks in fuel to

595
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,119
the nationalists, but not providing weapons and not getting involved

596
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,800
in not sending personnel. And that was a very popular

597
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:01,800
perspective in America. It was also seen as it was

598
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,639
also seen as just horrific modern war.

599
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,159
Speaker 2: And everyone think.

600
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,119
Speaker 3: Of all the World War One veterans in the United States.

601
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,039
Speaker 2: They talk I had.

602
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: Another grandfather, my other grandfather joined the army in early

603
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:22,480
nineteen forty one because as a steel worker, he heard

604
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,599
from all the World War One vets around him, They're like,

605
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:30,239
there's going to be a war. Don't get drafted, but

606
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,199
join early. You'll have rank and you'll have real training.

607
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,000
And so that's what he did because he felt like

608
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:39,440
it was inevitable. He was in Appalachia. He's like, it's different,

609
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,880
it's a different mentality. So you know, we're going to

610
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,840
we fight the war. And so he assumed, you know,

611
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:54,000
well that's what I do because I'm an American. So yeah,

612
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,960
pardon my digression and problem.

613
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:02,679
Speaker 1: Robert Ready here says it right. Father Coughlin. Social Justice

614
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:08,039
Magazine was definitely pro Franco and pronoun very very so.

615
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,400
Z Man over here, says Carl Dahl, smells like feet.

616
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, inside joke from a group chat.

617
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: Got a super chat over on Odyssey from the Geezer,

618
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,079
thanks man, I don't yeah, this is from the Geezer

619
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,679
over on Odyssey. Outside of a outside of official combatants

620
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,039
sent by government channels. Do you know what nations had

621
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:41,639
the largest contribution of foreign volunteers from to join the

622
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,079
nationalists side. I'm thinking would Romania be one?

623
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: Possibly? Romania is up there. Romania.

624
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:54,119
Speaker 3: It had thousands of members of the Iron Garden associated

625
00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:01,800
nationalist groups. In the Spanish legion, there were a lot

626
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,119
of like we talked about before, there were a lot

627
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,320
of Portuguese because again it was originally going to be

628
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,320
an official detachment, but because of all the all the

629
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,119
nonsense and their own internal struggles, they ended up just

630
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:23,440
directing them straight to straight into the the foreign Legion

631
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:27,960
from from unless they had already joined like the Novar

632
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,760
Brigades or something, which many of them did because the

633
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,159
because of the Carlos militias. I'm trying to think there

634
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:41,679
were quite a few white Russians in the in the

635
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,519
Spanish Legion also, and then you have people from all

636
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:49,000
over that. One of the big big ones is that

637
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:53,239
sometimes they refer to them as Americans, but it was

638
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,000
the the Latin American diaspora.

639
00:45:57,519 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: UH.

640
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: Colonials is the term monology as the people from the

641
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:07,000
colonies who went back when they would they would be

642
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:13,159
generally they were going into the Spanish legion, although accepting

643
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,239
Spanish nationality was very easy for them. A lot of

644
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:21,840
a lot of them were Spanish citizens, but so that

645
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,719
they could end up in regular army units. But most

646
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,079
of the time all the colonials went into the Spanish

647
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:32,079
Legion if they weren't if they still had their citizenship

648
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:35,480
from from Latin American countries. So there and there were

649
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:40,320
absolutely tens of thousands of those from what I'm able

650
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,079
to able to tell, there were there were I shouldn't

651
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:46,079
say tens of thousands, I should say there were possibly

652
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:50,960
around ten thousand volunteers with the Spanish Legion from the colonies.

653
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,400
And that actually predates the war. Even in like the

654
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,199
Riff War in the twenties in North Africa Morocco, there

655
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:01,199
were a lot of Spanish colonials.

656
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,039
Speaker 1: He came out as a super chat over An entropy

657
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,079
said thanks. He came out. The more I learned about

658
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,000
the history of the last two hundred years, the more

659
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,880
No Brothers wars make sense despite the differences between European

660
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,000
descended people's.

661
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,679
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely right.

662
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,079
Speaker 1: Let me get another question here, I think, did you

663
00:47:26,159 --> 00:47:29,400
just answer this? What was the Spanish speaking world's reactions

664
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,239
to the Civil War? I did are Central America.

665
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 3: You know it could Yeah, we didn't discuss that. It

666
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:44,079
came down to your political persuasion. If you look at

667
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,880
and we talked about this a little bit last time.

668
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:53,320
But Mexico, which was a basically a Bolshevik nation deeply

669
00:47:54,199 --> 00:48:01,400
linked to the Soviets, they immediately went in with the

670
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:07,480
Republican began sending arms. And so when you looked at

671
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:14,039
the rest of the of Latin America, you know, the

672
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:19,559
conservatives and the you know, the the upper crusts and

673
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:26,840
everything would support would support the nationalists, but the the

674
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:33,000
Libtards and all the various the various other groups absolutely

675
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,519
supported the republic.

676
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:41,559
Speaker 1: What do you have to say about Carl, What do

677
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,760
you have to say Carl about Hemingway during the war.

678
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan.

679
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: I love as a writer and as an American male

680
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,280
when I was always happy to read Hemingway in like

681
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,320
high school because he had a very simple but evocative

682
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,000
writing style, and it was portrayed as masculine.

683
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:06,199
Speaker 2: Right.

684
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 3: But the thing with Hemingway is that he was He

685
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:21,880
was an egomaniac and most likely a rapist. Just to

686
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,239
throw out the R word there and not in the

687
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,599
based way, but like he was a scumbag that memes aside,

688
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:36,840
rape is ungentlemanly, but he was also he had mega

689
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:44,199
cachet everywhere. But if it really came down to it,

690
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,719
here's an example illustrating his behavior. He loved hanging out

691
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,880
with Italian nobles in the nineteen fifties, but he endorsed

692
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:58,039
the slaughter of those same peoples in the nineteen thirties

693
00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:02,679
in Spain. Why well, because that was like the cool thing,

694
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,800
and so he supported the cool thing, which was the

695
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,880
Republican cause, and he did a tremendous amount of propaganda

696
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,519
for them, total Bolshevik nonsense. But he enjoyed the finer

697
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:19,360
things in life. So when it came to uh, like

698
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,360
going doing bird hunting and stuff, you know, he enjoyed

699
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:29,199
the nice, you know, traditional European comforts of doing the

700
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:34,679
you know, mass mass bird hunts and hand released bird

701
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,400
shooting and everything like that, and he loved hanging out

702
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:41,519
and doing that while at the same time just unknowingly

703
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:46,519
advocating or knowingly advocating for the destruction of that way

704
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:49,480
of life when it was the cool thing to do.

705
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:53,920
So I despise Hemingway ultimately. And he would you know,

706
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,920
he was He wasn't. He wasn't as cool as people

707
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:58,639
say he was.

708
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,199
Speaker 2: And it's.

709
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,599
Speaker 3: It's very amusing because when you hear about a lot

710
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,199
of his tough guys stuff like wanting to box people

711
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:11,000
and stuff, it's my my understanding is a lot of

712
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:14,519
that was like him, like basically being like I'm going

713
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:18,280
to beat up like a little guy and tough guys

714
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,719
shit like that, which I despise.

715
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: So so this week someone points it out that somebody

716
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,920
assassinating the CEO on the street is equivalent to the

717
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:41,119
Republicans and the anarchists and the communists, uh, murdering, murdering

718
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,840
nuns and priests, And yeah, you were quick to point

719
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,360
out that they weren't the only side that was doing

720
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,360
that in the Spanish Civil War. Can you give some

721
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,480
examples or to talk a little bit about that yeah, absolutely.

722
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:55,119
Speaker 2: So.

723
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:05,519
Speaker 3: The the Carliss and the phalange, which is the Spanish

724
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:08,639
word for the phalanx of Someone had a question about

725
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:11,119
that on.

726
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:10,679
Speaker 2: On X.

727
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: And so anyway, Uh, they were killing people in the

728
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,159
streets as well, and they had been for a while. Uh,

729
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:26,679
very early innovators of the drive by shooting carlist youth

730
00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:31,840
militias in the in the teens. They did a drive

731
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,639
by on some anarchists, which is, you know, pretty cool.

732
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,480
But yeah, they're this whole thing that like, like political

733
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:47,039
violence is inherently leftist, is an insane, insane, retarded gatekeeping

734
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:54,159
perspective that it just is inexplicably stupid and so so

735
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,079
obviously enemy action. To me, for someone to make that statement,

736
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,920
I just I just have nothing good to say about that.

737
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: Bill Bike's over on Rumble says Franco was based when

738
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,920
I lived in Spain. Only the Jays hated him, He

739
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,440
goes it was before I was jpilled.

740
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent believe that, And I will say

741
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:28,119
that a long time ago when I I I read

742
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:31,800
a lot about because I considered myself a libertarian, like

743
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,840
in the in the nineties and into some point in

744
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:43,119
the oughts, and so because of the word, and you

745
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:45,400
know a lot of people saying, well, it's basically an

746
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,159
you know, anarcho capitalism type arguments and everything. I read

747
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:52,719
a lot of anarchist material, and most of the time

748
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,920
it was stuff written in the like sixties and seventies

749
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,679
by Americans talking about it, and and there would be

750
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,239
really strange biases, like and this was before I grew

751
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,039
up around a lot of Jews, but I wasn't really

752
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:08,559
j pilled other than knowing that they were different, right,

753
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,320
and it it was really strange because they they would

754
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:20,400
always talk about how Bakunin was an anti Semite and

755
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:23,800
like and and and a lot of it was this

756
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:30,159
was that the struggle in scapegoating around the loss of

757
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:33,440
the Spanish Civil War and the atrocities that were committed,

758
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,559
because like you and Stormy were talking, and I think

759
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,519
you both pointed out that like they just blamed each

760
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:43,760
other for the losses, the anarchists or the communists would

761
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,440
blame each other for the various atrocities when really they

762
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,920
were both committing them.

763
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Communists like digging up just just turning, disentering

764
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,000
the the nuns and stuff like that. It was like,

765
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:00,719
oh no, that was the anarchy. Oh no, that was

766
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,719
a communist. It's like you both did they.

767
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 3: Both did it, Yeah, exactly so, and the and they

768
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:14,440
actually had internationals, a group of Eastern European internationals. If

769
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,599
you it doesn't take much thinking to realize that that

770
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:25,039
means Jews were involved in raping and killing some some

771
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:31,480
nuns in the Northern campaign and the what what did?

772
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,199
What happened to them? Well, they were their whole unit

773
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,639
was lined up and executed and left in a left

774
00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:41,960
in a ravine, which is pretty merciful if you think

775
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:47,480
about it. So you know, I'm never gonna apologize for

776
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:59,960
anyone killing people like that lawfully, legally. Knock on wood, right, Yeah.

777
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 2: Let's see.

778
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: What were the size of the four boats were roughly

779
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,280
the size of each side at the.

780
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: Beginning of the war.

781
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,119
Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about this last time. I'm

782
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:11,599
going to pull that document up real quickly. I should

783
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:17,559
have had it handy sure anyway, So the best way

784
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:25,119
to describe the forces is that you have official forces

785
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,760
under arms out of the gate, and then you have

786
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:36,320
the militias that were extant, and then all the people

787
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,800
clamoring to join the side because of their their various orientations.

788
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:46,239
So on the nationalist side they had the whole Spanish

789
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,119
Legion and then also the Army of Africa, which was

790
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:58,519
the Moroccan basically local forces under Spanish Army command. Total

791
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:03,440
between the Army of Africa and which included the Spanish

792
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:07,440
Legion was about thirty five thousand men, and then they

793
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,119
had about half of the Spanish Territorial Army, which is

794
00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:18,679
about sixty thousand men, so that's you know, Iberian based forces.

795
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: And then they had.

796
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:25,719
Speaker 3: Just under half of spain Civil Guards and Carbonaros which

797
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:28,840
were in the which would put it in the teens

798
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,920
and twenties of thousands. Between those two, I want to say,

799
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,880
like collectively it would be around twenty thousand ish. And

800
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:43,840
then the Carlist Recite militias had thirty thousand men under

801
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,760
arms at the time of the uprising and then which

802
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,840
grew to eighty five thousand by the end of nineteen

803
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,719
thirty six. The Phalangae had about twenty thousand men in

804
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,519
total at the time of the uprising, but they weren't

805
00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:01,079
nearly as well armed. They had machine guns and some

806
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:04,159
machine guns and grenades and stuff like that, but they

807
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:08,920
weren't as like fully rounded out and equipped and regulated

808
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:15,400
as the as the Carlist recutes, the Republicans so again,

809
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:18,519
used some of those same figures. You know, about sixty

810
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:22,320
thousand in the territorial army, a lot less of the

811
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,440
heavy weapons though from the Nationalists. They had about a

812
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,480
third of the machine guns and artillery and about half

813
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:32,599
of the rifles. They had the assault almost all of

814
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:36,159
the assault guards, which was that subset of the civil guards,

815
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,440
which there weren't tons of them, they were only like

816
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,519
one or two thousand of them. But they were like

817
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:46,639
the republics. It's kind of like the FBI, what would

818
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:49,039
be a good way to describe them, kind of like

819
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:55,840
the the FBI slash FBI Hostage Rescue Team, which is

820
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:03,519
their little like urban assault unit. The workers militias were

821
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:11,719
huge because they came out of the organized labor unions

822
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:15,719
and so like the CNTFAI for example, put ten thousand

823
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,159
armed men into Barcelona in the day of the rising.

824
00:59:20,639 --> 00:59:25,119
That the CNT had over a million people as members.

825
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:31,639
So when you read about the workers militias or the

826
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:35,960
people debating in the republic to arm the workers, they're

827
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,400
talking about like literally millions of people around the whole

828
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:45,119
country in total. But they weren't trained that they didn't

829
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:48,280
know what they were doing with rifles. Most of the time.

830
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,960
There were exceptions, of course.

831
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: All right, let me see if there were something else

832
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,159
here to what extent Jim Bowden asked, to what extent

833
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:04,440
as a Spanish civil war and extent of Trotsky's internationalism.

834
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 3: So there there were Trotskyist or labeled as Trotskyist like

835
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:17,360
because because if you think about it, the the Soviet

836
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:23,719
Union would label any of their allies who weren't going

837
01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:27,440
along with the program as Trotskyists at that time, so

838
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,679
they would call anarchists Strotskyists and stuff like that. So

839
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:37,360
it would it would be like, you're an international you're

840
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,880
you're an international communist, but you're not with our program.

841
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:47,760
Therefore you're an enemy or a Trotskyist. So he was

842
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:55,760
influential with a lot of these groups, and he was

843
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:02,880
he was very influential, but not Evans other than as

844
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,599
it related to kind of the struggle for power because.

845
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:08,199
Speaker 2: All of the.

846
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 3: I think there were leaders among all the different left

847
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,920
factions who it didn't take them very long to realize

848
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,519
what was up. They always knew what they were getting

849
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:28,800
themselves into and the risk of Soviet domination and so

850
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,400
that was always a running part of the arguments and

851
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:38,000
debates over who would have control over the Republic during

852
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:44,760
the war. And so the Trotsky isscsscs were definitely influential

853
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:49,800
in terms of them knowing because I mean, the Soviet

854
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,639
Union was a thing, like everyone knew what the what

855
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,920
the kind of the tale of the tape had been

856
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,920
for the for the previous couple of decades, so they

857
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:02,519
knew it was up and what wasn't what was in play.

858
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: Okay, next question here, h you're saying what side did

859
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,360
the actual Spanish army fight for? Meaning if you were

860
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,480
in the actual army, what side were you fighting for?

861
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:24,320
Once the war started?

862
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 3: It entirely depended upon the direction of your leadership and

863
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:35,880
the individual soldiers to a lesser degree. So if your

864
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:40,840
unit said we're with the uprising, like, there seems to

865
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:48,599
have been very little, very little change in that regard

866
01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:53,719
unless you wanted to get shot maybe or at least arrested.

867
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:59,079
So yeah, absolutely, it came down to that. There were

868
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:01,480
places where there were it it took a little longer

869
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:06,199
to settle settle that out, but in general it was

870
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,000
up to the officers and kind of the mood. So

871
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:15,039
here's an example of that. The the in the navy,

872
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:24,280
the naval officers, uh and and the Spanish Navy at

873
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,239
the time was very weak.

874
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:31,239
Speaker 2: It was very small. It was not much.

875
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 3: Better than a coast guard really, except they had coastal guns,

876
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:37,880
you know. They they had they had they had some stuff,

877
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:42,079
but they they were very much depleted from from where

878
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:44,880
they had been and.

879
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:46,079
Speaker 2: The and there weren't There weren't a lot of.

880
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 3: People who had a lot of respect for the Spanish

881
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,079
Navy at that time in terms of like the quality

882
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,960
of the leadership and their mission and everything. A lot

883
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,800
of it was people getting synecures and and just sucking

884
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,400
money out of the system. That's something that's really important

885
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,039
to understand at the time is that there were like

886
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:11,159
the ratio of officer to enlisted man in the Spanish

887
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:16,519
territorial military at the time was one officer to seven

888
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:19,320
enlisted men. If you can believe that, this is people

889
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,960
parasiting off the system. So the quality of the territorial

890
01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:29,719
army was quite poor. The Army of Africa and the

891
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:34,800
Spanish Legion are totally different. Uh. The Spanish Legion was

892
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:39,679
absolutely like a real fighting force and they were there.

893
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,119
I would put them on par with like the Rangers

894
01:04:42,119 --> 01:04:45,519
and the Special Forces, depending like with the caveat that,

895
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,320
like the United States special Forces are technically a a

896
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:57,920
training and like you know, like force magnification effort, whereas

897
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,960
the Rangers are just pure light infantry. They were more

898
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:06,400
like pure light infantry and shock troops than anything else.

899
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:11,360
And they were serious. But the Spanish Navy was so

900
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:17,079
corrupt and sodden and sodded. I should say that the

901
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:20,960
the enlisted men, who were mostly socialists, because it was

902
01:05:21,079 --> 01:05:26,760
you know, where where are where are navy navy units

903
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,159
and navy forces and navy bases, and where does everyone live?

904
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,639
They live in port cities where the port cities in

905
01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:37,920
Spain were almost were extremely socialist and anarchists at the time.

906
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:40,960
That was the spirit of the age. And so it

907
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,079
didn't take very much from the enlisted men to take

908
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:48,119
over the naval vessels. They couldn't really crew them and

909
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:52,559
lead them though, because they weren't competent leaders and officers

910
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:54,719
and they had no idea what they were doing. So

911
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,400
they had the forces, but there was they were useless

912
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:02,519
like so they they perform very, very very poorly. There

913
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:07,800
were some naval vessels that were the officers sided with

914
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:15,079
the uprising that stayed under their command were who performed

915
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:19,719
much better because they were serious people. So I hope

916
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:20,840
that answers the question.

917
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,519
Speaker 1: I got a comment here from just a car over

918
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:31,239
on Rumble. He says, Carl, I like your first book

919
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,320
looking forward to the second. Don't you have two books out?

920
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:35,239
Speaker 2: Yes?

921
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, So my first book is Faction, and it's where

922
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:44,639
I get this icon that's Doug Shay, which is Joseph

923
01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:49,199
Shea's grandson. Joseph Shea is the fellow who goes into

924
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:53,360
the Spanish Civil War and gets involved in the espionage business.

925
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,880
Related to that, one of the running jokes is that,

926
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,559
so you know who Matt Bracken is, right, Pete?

927
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:02,599
Speaker 2: Have you Okay?

928
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:06,199
Speaker 3: So I was actually heavily inspired in my first book

929
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:11,400
by Matt Bracken's style of writing, where I have a

930
01:07:11,639 --> 01:07:15,760
I have more of like a literary writing background. But

931
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,400
what I like about his stuff is that he can

932
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,840
write a novel that is kind of like a guide

933
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,440
or a mini manual to certain kinds of scenarios. So

934
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,679
I wrote my first book, Faction kind of in that

935
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:34,719
style where they they have this it's a it's a

936
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:42,000
faction that of related to the intelligence organizations and unofficial

937
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:48,880
intelligence organizations associated with with US government and private private

938
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:55,639
industry basically cut out companies to to do things, whether

939
01:07:55,719 --> 01:08:00,519
it's logistics or training or whatever around the world based

940
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,679
on the mission, and the guys who've made their bones

941
01:08:03,719 --> 01:08:06,400
can kind of pick and choose a little more which

942
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,519
groups they want to side with that as long as

943
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:14,280
it comports with US foreign policy. And so they end

944
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:20,520
up having a clash domestically because of these competing interests

945
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,680
in the in the nineties in the US and Canada,

946
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:28,560
and so a lot of people have made comments about

947
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:33,600
how that relates to the street Pew Pew of that CEO,

948
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:39,319
because a lot of he follows. He followed almost exactly

949
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:48,720
scenarios laid out in my first book, which I disavow theoretically.

950
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: Got a question over here from Panda Daddy twenty three

951
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,520
Hypet and Carl. Did Portugal play a significant part in

952
01:08:58,560 --> 01:08:58,880
the war?

953
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? That the biggest thing for Portugal is they served

954
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,920
in the very early days of the war, as that

955
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they they allowed material to flow through their ports. So

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the Italians came in largely through Portugal and and a

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lot of German and Italian weapons and ammunition and equipment

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flowed through Portugal. Uh, and it made it easy for

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the army marching north. You'll notice that they stayed they

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basically wanted to. They secured the border with Portugal very quickly,

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and then that allowed those the material to flow through

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to the the Carlists militias and the Novar Brigades and

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the North, and and equipment to go wherever they wanted to.

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And the Italians had massive, massive operations very early in

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the work ground operations up in the Northern campaign. The

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the Condor Legion had a lot of aerial campaigns in

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the North, and they had observers and stuff, but they

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weren't doing as much on the ground in the Northern campaign.

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They did later, but the Italians almost immediately were we're

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operating up there, and that was hugely made possible by Portugal.

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So Portugal, good friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a this is a good question. Oh

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there's one more. I think there was a comment over

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here mak Siev who said to let you know that

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he did his review under the name Clayton Barnett.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He says, your style of writing present tense is a bit.

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Speaker 2: Jarring based.

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Speaker 3: No I know that I know that it's it's but

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it's something that I've done. And the reason that I

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settled on it a long time ago is that, uh,

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when you're writing action, it has an urgency to it

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that when it's it, when other things are playing out

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and you're telling a story in in present tense that

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isn't like immediately action oriented, it uh it can. It

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can be a struggle because you have to be very

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conscientious of not commingling tenses, because there's a bunch of

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there's numerous present tenses that can you can end.

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Speaker 2: Up tripping over.

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Speaker 3: But I always found that when I would write, like

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an action scene or something and people read it, if

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I did a past tense and a present tense versus version,

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people would say that the present tense version was much

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more immediate. And so that's what I've and exciting. So

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that's what I've stuck with. And if if it's just

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my thing, it will be my thing, and maybe it'll

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be something that will stand out.

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Speaker 1: Do you know if coming down Muscardo or any of

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the survivors of the Alcazar I've ever written memoirs.

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Speaker 3: So there were interviews with Muscardo, I don't know anything

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about memoirs, but I know that there were interviews with

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him that that you can find that were in Spanish

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and and are written, and so there's some material related

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to that. But I don't believe that he I'm not

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aware of him having written anything himself, but there are

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interviews out there, and that was you know, for decades,

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it's under bless you, under Franco for decades that they

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were still held as as the heroes that they were.

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Speaker 1: Let's end on this one. Did Franco ever write or

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do interviews giving an apology for the war and everything

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that happened afterwards?

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Speaker 2: Apology? No?

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Speaker 1: He there are when I say, when I say apology, yes,

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I realized that after after I said that.

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Speaker 3: So there are there are interviews with him, but he

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was very private. He didn't give a lot of interviews.

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And but there are people that have written memoirs.

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Speaker 2: If you read.

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Speaker 3: Is It Payne's book on Franco, they talk a lot

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about that, that kind of stuff. There's a couple of

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good Anco books, not Preston, Paul Preston is a scumbag

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and frankly.

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Speaker 2: Just make shit up.

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Speaker 3: But that there's quite a few, quite a few books

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where they talk a little bit about Franco.

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Speaker 2: But he was very private. He didn't.

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Speaker 3: He never, he never. He's not known for being very

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verbose and and you know, wanting people to center upon

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his thoughts and his ideas on things. He was very

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straightforward guy and pretty private and went to church every

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single day and basically wanted wanted things to just to

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run out the clock and but while also getting people,

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you know, getting the country back on its feet. And

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so mostly he talked about the nation and the health

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of the nation and the state of the nation. He

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didn't talk about himself very much.

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Speaker 1: Maxiff says Christopher Buckley equipped that Franco wanted to sit

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on the twentieth century until it went away. Based All right, man,

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I'll gonna end this right now. Thank everybody for tuning in.

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Be back next week with the normal kind of the

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normal livestream interaction. But Carl, please tell everybody where they

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can find your work and I'll make sure to include

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all of that in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: Great, thank you, uh Carldall dot substack dot com. That's

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Carl with a K K E R L D A

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h L dot substack dot com. I also have two

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books under the name author's name Carl Dahl on Amazon

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Faction and Faction with the Crusaders. Faction with the Crusaders

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is the Spanish Civil War story. And I'm on Twitter,

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which I hate or x or whatever we call it.

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I'm not the biggest fan of the platform and stuff,

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but there's great people to interact with their so that's

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that's why I'm still there. So thank you very much,

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appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you