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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to episode five fifty seven of five

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<v Speaker 1>and IVE, the Baseball podcast that continues to dare to

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<v Speaker 1>ask the question what's happening in baseball? It is Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>June twenty fifth, and because Craig continues to be out

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<v Speaker 1>on an assignment, today, I happen to be your host.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Patrick Debue, joining me as always prospects

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<v Speaker 1>are Jeffrey pattern Astro, as well as special guest star

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<v Speaker 1>and BP alumnus Zach Kreiser, author of the Bandwagon newsletter gentlemen, Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>Have we figured out Craig said?

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<v Speaker 1>There was?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that I got a picture Craig last night

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<v Speaker 2>saying there's really good French food. Is he in Paris?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to narrow down where.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I actually know where he is. I heard on

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<v Speaker 3>your last episode that he didn't tell you guys. He

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<v Speaker 3>did tell me he's an Antigua. Okay, okay, the family

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<v Speaker 3>went before and I guess when you have kids, if

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<v Speaker 3>you find a.

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<v Speaker 2>Vacation, yeah, you just go back that. I've started asking

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<v Speaker 2>questions of people that have been about Disney World. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not happy about any of this. It's going to be terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we did Disney World once when my kids were

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<v Speaker 1>I think boy six and three, and no we have

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<v Speaker 1>not gone back, and hopefully I never have to anything

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<v Speaker 1>else going on, you guys any banter. It's been a

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<v Speaker 1>short couple of days for you, Jeff, it's been like

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<v Speaker 1>months for you, Zach.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything that happened since the last time I was on

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<v Speaker 3>this podcast. I actually went to France, but not to Paris.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing the French food was better than an antigue

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<v Speaker 3>with but you know, you take what you can get.

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<v Speaker 1>I finished reading a book. The book is The Sports

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<v Speaker 1>Writer by Richard Fortz. I don't know if you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have heard of this book. I did mention it two

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<v Speaker 1>shows ago. I've tried not to mention it since it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a bad book. I kind of hated it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we can, you know, you can leave off

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<v Speaker 1>what it, you know, the modern novel or anything, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's very it's a very modern novel. But really what

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<v Speaker 1>ended up upsetting me the most about it was the

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<v Speaker 1>sports writing. Not necessarily it was inaccurate, but it just

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<v Speaker 1>it was just a real time capsule into what sports

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<v Speaker 1>writing looked like in nineteen eighty three, and every time

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<v Speaker 1>he talked about sports or talked about the act of

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<v Speaker 1>sports writing, it felt kind of like a personal insult

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<v Speaker 1>about how mindless and how repetitive and how like the

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<v Speaker 1>cool concept like basically his concept. And this is like

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<v Speaker 1>I have Scott this Gerald quote one hundred years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>is like, basically sports writing is the rejection of the

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<v Speaker 1>quality of writing, like people who the idea of him

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<v Speaker 1>going into sports writing is that he is giving up

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<v Speaker 1>on trying to write anything good, which you know, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care for that. That's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there are sports writers that do that, certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>but yes there are.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the other thing that's that that hurts

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's a reflection of the celebrity sports writer

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<v Speaker 1>from nineteen eighty three that no longer exists, that can

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<v Speaker 1>just like not work for weeks at a time and

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<v Speaker 1>go vacation.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Esquire gives him like five dollars a word

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<v Speaker 2>to go interview it jockey or something. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so to that part, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's bitterness mixed with indifference. But yeah, don't read it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I cannot encourage people to read this book.

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<v Speaker 1>For other books that I'm published.

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<v Speaker 3>I finished Lonesome Dove recently, and I would encourage people

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<v Speaker 3>to read course everybody who was ever in the past

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<v Speaker 3>five years. But I was the last.

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<v Speaker 1>Most well not the last thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never read the most recent train.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'll get to it someday. All right, we'll go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and get started. So first thing on the doc

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<v Speaker 1>I put in here, I put it halfway. There is

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<v Speaker 1>second number one. I put in this. The title just

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<v Speaker 1>upset Jeff just just put the most normy terribles.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't put Well what I didn't put No, I've

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<v Speaker 2>used it before. You just got to put in the woe.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh okay, well then I have to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>And since I like making Craig say it also, has

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<v Speaker 2>it been eighty I thought we're gonna do that segment

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<v Speaker 2>next week. Are we actually at eighty one games?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I thought we were at eighty one games.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say we were like seventy nine. I know, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't really matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess we're seven. Well sometimes eighty.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, whether you want to do prices right, rules right

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<v Speaker 3>or not? Yeah, where you're if price is right is

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<v Speaker 3>the rule, then we got to do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, So I was just gonna take us on

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<v Speaker 1>a tour of all the different awards. Everyone loves talking

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<v Speaker 1>about awards, but it's mostly just to catch up on

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we talk a lot about I guess we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about al but we talk about our favorite bad

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<v Speaker 1>players or our favorite disappointing players. So maybe we should

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<v Speaker 1>just like actually talk about the good players for a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Uh So, looking at we'll go through each

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<v Speaker 1>of the uh the awards right now al MVP, I

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<v Speaker 1>should have looked up betting ons do we have? I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if there are current betting onds for.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's fine that you didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think just not so much because I want to

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<v Speaker 1>encourage anyone to bet on it, but just to see

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<v Speaker 1>where where the normies feel about it. But right now,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as b ref war, Bobby Witt Junior is

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<v Speaker 1>the leader for the al MVP, followed by Cody Bellinger

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<v Speaker 1>and you were Alvarez and uh for our stat uh

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<v Speaker 1>over Mike Trout.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like I can't get can't give up on Mike Trout.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently we have not.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty surprising that Trut.

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<v Speaker 2>Liked and the Phillies and the Eples. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>just can't give up on it no matter what.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have to trust the process. So which

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<v Speaker 1>where would you guys go at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Moment for ALP, Like, it's so like the Okay, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no good teams. Let's get that out of the way

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<v Speaker 2>for Yeah, you can start, you can't like the way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's difficult. You know, Judge is hurt. I'm gonna miss

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<v Speaker 2>enough time where he's not really going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>factor here. Like Bellinger has been fine, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that I assume for a b refist center field

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<v Speaker 2>or outfield defense is he's been good, but like not

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that gets you m v P. It

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<v Speaker 2>should just be or done if he stays healthy. And

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<v Speaker 2>like the Astros are what a game out of a

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<v Speaker 2>playoff fot right now? So if they make it, they

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing else going for them except it on so

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<v Speaker 2>like I think they'll be a good narrative case for

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<v Speaker 2>him too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would currently vote for Jordon Alvarez because I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I just defensive stats are just really hard to get

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<v Speaker 3>behind as a total MVP case and win not having

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<v Speaker 3>his full usual season offensively and it seems like he

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<v Speaker 3>might not because he's a little part and just so

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan at the moment, but he's not known for playing

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<v Speaker 3>whole seasons. I mean, the that's who it is right now.

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<v Speaker 3>If we're talking about who could win it by the end,

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<v Speaker 3>I think if the A's scamper into the postseason that

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Kurtz could win to al MVP. But that's my

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<v Speaker 3>non favorite answer to your question about who the favorite is.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think, you know, for the people who like

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<v Speaker 1>the valuable part of the most valuable player, like no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I can't think of another time

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<v Speaker 1>that a player has carried a team as much as

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan's carrying the Astros right now. Yeah, so you get

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<v Speaker 1>that one as well. My dark horse, I like, I

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<v Speaker 1>know Ben Clemon's just posted about this morning. I read it,

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<v Speaker 1>but Dylandgler I was thinking about writing about this week

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<v Speaker 1>and he's by by bargrass War. He is third in

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<v Speaker 1>the American League. He is basically both hitting and also

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<v Speaker 1>the best defensive catcher in the American League outside of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people who don't play all the time. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a fun name, Like, I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 3>How would how would you as a Mariners fan or

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<v Speaker 3>cal Rally appreciator. Feel if Dylan Dingler the catcher one a.

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<v Speaker 1>L m v P would be very funny. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you can't pick the year that Aaron Judge, Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Jude Cerner last year count the m v put doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll throw in Colton Montgomery for the White Sox too

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<v Speaker 2>that they make it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay an l m v P.

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<v Speaker 2>You can move on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yah, Yeah, I mean yes, there are guys who would

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<v Speaker 3>win ale.

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<v Speaker 1>We are we are recording at one of Pete Crow

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong's goold you know, high points, right, and so there's

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<v Speaker 1>been some talk about him like it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>until he has like a giant the biggest slump you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen in three weeks. Uh, and then you know

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<v Speaker 1>you got Actually, by reference war, it's not a Tani

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<v Speaker 1>E Laite, it's Christopher Sanchez.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I you know, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Never know will win m v P and not young Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably, Yeah, So I guess we can do both of

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<v Speaker 1>those at the same time because it is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the same list for both. Yeah, you know, it's do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that it's so easy to think that Sanchez

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<v Speaker 1>will just keep doing this and it's somewhat easy to

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<v Speaker 1>think that Atani is going to either get tired or

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<v Speaker 1>hurt or something. I don't know. It's for me. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like both of those awards are pretty well locked down.

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<v Speaker 1>You lockdown, you don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Sanchez will have it on innings at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, like Missierowski is thrown off innings. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>If Sancho's has if his e r A gets into

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<v Speaker 3>somewhat normal territory, or if he doesn't throw as many

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<v Speaker 3>innings as we expect him to. I think either sliver

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<v Speaker 3>of an opening. People would love to give it to

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<v Speaker 3>the mis but it takes their chance. It takes something.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I throw the guy throwing one oh five is

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<v Speaker 2>a little like any anybody here can get hurt, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean get hurt tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>We should just make a new word for most valuable pitch,

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<v Speaker 1>and that way we can give him that a word now,

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<v Speaker 1>just in case this moment in Amber. Uh. The funny

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that second frim VP in BP stats is

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<v Speaker 1>James Wood four point yea.

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<v Speaker 2>Reasonable I say, like most other years, like Chase Burns

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<v Speaker 2>would be like the favorite for this.

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<v Speaker 1>He's third by reference War right now for the NLCI

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<v Speaker 1>Young You've.

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<v Speaker 2>Got like three pictures on pace for like an eight

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<v Speaker 2>win season, which is very now. I don't think all

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<v Speaker 2>of them will get there for various reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, the al sim Cam Schlittler leads both our

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<v Speaker 1>war and theirs, like feels like it's weird. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like Shlitler he got off to that incredible start

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<v Speaker 1>and then he has since then just had a really

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<v Speaker 1>great rest of the season. But because it's slightly worse

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<v Speaker 1>Right Yeah. So second interesting, my reference war's Parker Messik

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, like I guess, I guess we did the segment

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<v Speaker 1>are both perfectly fine, like perfectly solid unanimous. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that guy was rookie the year and twenty years from now, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But then, like you've got a lot of guys who

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, even Carson by yeah pinlightly.

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<v Speaker 1>Who who did not have a hit for the first

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<v Speaker 3>I think McGonagall and weather Holts are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>And it might be Connor Griffin, it might be Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Like especially feels like that. Yeah, yeah, second second basement

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Uh. Murakami is third place on both lists, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think is very funny. Like I feel like he's

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<v Speaker 1>many other rookies. Yeah, you know, it's it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>like four win season, or he could like just pick

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<v Speaker 1>that moment to be like the strike to catch up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>have a real Joe Sharboneau kind of moment to him.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Messics obviously second in both categories for

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<v Speaker 1>US for the American League. In the National League, South

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<v Speaker 3>He has a shot.

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<v Speaker 2>He feels like like South Stuart feels like the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that would have won it a few years ago when

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<v Speaker 2>both McGonagall and Weatherhall got held down for like Super two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah whatever, like because he just would have played that.

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<v Speaker 2>He would have played the whole season, good counting stats

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<v Speaker 2>and that was you on pace for like thirty home rounds,

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<v Speaker 2>probably like eight hundred oss. Like, yeah, he's a first

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously the best player in his team, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Nolan McLean, who has been struggling lately, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think struggling lately also against expectations more than and

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<v Speaker 1>and need right, Yeah, he's been perfectly fine, but not

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<v Speaker 2>And then Foster Griffin, also on technically rocky eligible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, maybe on a different team or in a

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<v Speaker 3>different league, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I could have sworn did he play in the majors

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<v Speaker 2>before he went overseas.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he did.

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<v Speaker 2>He knock get out I feel how you did let

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<v Speaker 2>me see, Oh no, he did, he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He played. He played during the COVID No, he's hold on.

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<v Speaker 1>He did play during the COVID year. He played in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two as well. He got one and two

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<v Speaker 1>thirds innings in twenty twenty six and one third innings. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's still roche eligible. Yeah yeah, wild wild to

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<v Speaker 1>have somebody be Rockie eligible six years after his debut.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, any dark horses for any of these or are.

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<v Speaker 2>You just like the year? I don't think like again,

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<v Speaker 2>like somebody can get hurt, right, Like anybody can pull

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<v Speaker 2>an oblique and miss eight weeks or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think one of those guys, yeah, sorry, if

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<v Speaker 3>one of those guys doesn't win it, I think it'll

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<v Speaker 3>be Markami just comes back and keeps doing Mark comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of all of these, it feels like Schlitler

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<v Speaker 1>is the one where if he gets hurt, then you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, yeah, are we gonna where we're gonna find Nick?

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<v Speaker 2>Mark?

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<v Speaker 1>It's very it would be very funny if Parker miss, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but not Rookie of the Year, yes, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is technically what he would do. He's second in both

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And how's he doing on wins? I know it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually matter anymore, but yes, I feel like he has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of wins wins.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's also like he actually is striking batters out

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<v Speaker 1>more than you would think, Like I think we've made

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a less handed, change up guy.

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<v Speaker 1>They're always right, but yeah he mixes well. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he strikes out like twenty seven percent of batters like

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<v Speaker 1>it's plenty to get it done.

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<v Speaker 3>He had the like almost no hitter to get him

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<v Speaker 3>some notoriety.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, and like if Ozer Ramirez stays out like again,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the.

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<v Speaker 2>Most best way I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, interesting. I mean I wonder if anybody saw

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<v Speaker 1>that coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always liked parking like I saw it coming, but

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<v Speaker 2>not like this. I assume he'd get like the Cleveland

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<v Speaker 2>glow up where he's going to be thrown like ninety

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<v Speaker 2>six with everything else, and he just stayed exactly the

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<v Speaker 2>same and makes it work.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he would be peak lance Linn or something

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<v Speaker 3>to that effect, but this is better than yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean peak lance Linn was like what pretty good?

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<v Speaker 1>The peak peaklans Lin was like it's one right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like minor season or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, all right, so open up your standings page

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<v Speaker 1>because now it's the time the manager of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, I may as well live in constant fear

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to make me vote for manager, that

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<v Speaker 1>you're one of these years.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, no one will care what you do, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>True, Yeah, but I feel compelled to write an article

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Pat Murphy uh as the second record, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the second best record baseball and Dave Roberts can't win.

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<v Speaker 2>It, right, Yeah, rookie manager taking over for a disappointing

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<v Speaker 2>team and a tough division I could see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, big bounce back.

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<v Speaker 2>Although they're they I almost put a topic on here

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<v Speaker 2>like are they going to actually hold off the Phillies

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm less sure they're going to hold up the

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<v Speaker 2>Phillies more on their end than the Phillies end.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean they're talking about Ronaldo Lopez back

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<v Speaker 1>in the rotation. Yeah, when you're talking about that.

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<v Speaker 2>For certain things, Prime Elder has blown right back regression

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<v Speaker 2>towards the means, and it's like type past it.

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<v Speaker 3>If if any of the weird teams make an actual

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<v Speaker 3>wild card run, you know if the Marlins or Cardinals

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<v Speaker 3>make playoffs, that one that manager will win.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, having only Marble, Yeah I feel about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I feel about that either. But

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<v Speaker 1>but then at least of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know how I feel about that.

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<v Speaker 1>If let's say, I mean, the Marlins probably don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a run in them, even if they're about five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>right now. But when the Nationals are slack technically about

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred right now? How many what percentage of fans

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<v Speaker 1>know who the Marlins and Nationals managers are?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually could not tell you that the national I

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<v Speaker 2>know Clayton McCullough for the Violins, I could not tell

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<v Speaker 2>you the national It's that's right, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I always have to not say Drew.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly. Can we have a manager of the year

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<v Speaker 1>that nobody's actually heard of before?

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<v Speaker 2>Then?

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<v Speaker 3>I think we do this all the time. Like the

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<v Speaker 3>Marlins manager has won it, the nice tricker win it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, but at least he played and you like

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<v Speaker 1>knew him, Like, okay, yeah, I remember there was some

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<v Speaker 1>slight trigger when they got hired. Oh yeah, that guy's

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<v Speaker 1>they're around, you know. I don't know, maybe in the

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<v Speaker 1>American League, you get hearing Boone and Kevin Cash and

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<v Speaker 1>then yeah, and then in a bunch of.

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<v Speaker 3>American League teams, I think it's gonna be will Venable

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<v Speaker 3>unless the White Sox really just like fall off a clip.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even think they have to make the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 3>I think competence gets will Venables the nod.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I could definitely see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see Kat say too, if the A's make

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<v Speaker 2>it just because of the situation, right with the yeah

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<v Speaker 2>moving and expectation then to get them and even if

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<v Speaker 2>they even think of like eighty three and seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 2>which would definitely get a wild card in the American League,

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<v Speaker 2>I could see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although you know, we talked about the National League.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Tonyell clearly clear favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>All right off of this who won manager of the

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<v Speaker 2>Year last year in both leagues?

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<v Speaker 3>Voting Murphy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, vote Murphy, remember the traditionally.

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<v Speaker 3>I only think I remember this because I because it

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<v Speaker 3>was so just standard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like, yeah, I used to write I used to

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<v Speaker 1>write an article. I think I came I can't even

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<v Speaker 1>remember how I came up with the metric, but I

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<v Speaker 1>came up with the Manager of the Year predicting tool,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just basically spat out Murphy and vote because

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<v Speaker 1>expect as long as you keep the expectations low.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actual minus projected wins equals manager the year, there.

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<v Speaker 1>Was something, there was more to it. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>what the more to it was, but there was more

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<v Speaker 1>to it. I think I think we used Oh I

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<v Speaker 1>remember now, we used the one hundred thousand simulations that

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<v Speaker 1>we do for Rob Mains' article every every spring, and

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<v Speaker 1>I use those to figure out how many times their

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<v Speaker 1>team won the pennant were when their divisions or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's too late now anyway. And then lastly,

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<v Speaker 1>just real quickly, let's go ahead and look at the

428
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<v Speaker 1>actual standings. Who do you guys think right now is

429
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<v Speaker 1>going to be in your World Series?

430
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<v Speaker 3>In the World Series, the World Series.

431
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<v Speaker 1>Winners for both sides, So you got the in the NL,

432
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<v Speaker 1>you got the Dodgers, Brewers.

433
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can't really against the Dodgers at this point,

434
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<v Speaker 2>Like I just don't see. They're like it's going to

435
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<v Speaker 2>be the same playoff teams they beat last year, and

436
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<v Speaker 2>I don't again, anything can happen in a short series,

437
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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think the Phillies have enough pitching. The

438
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<v Speaker 2>Phillies are still starting Aaron Nola in one of these

439
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<v Speaker 2>I guess in one of these games, probably the Brewers.

440
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think the Brewers would get swept, but again,

441
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<v Speaker 2>I just don't know how they're pitching staff Bears in

442
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<v Speaker 2>a short series where they get to, you know, where

443
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<v Speaker 2>they have to match up.

444
00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Maybe Woodrow throws eighty two. Yeah, and the unlocks. Uh,

445
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<v Speaker 1>I mean the Brewers starting miss Rasky and Harrison. I

446
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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm more comfortable with that one too, sure

447
00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:17.720
<v Speaker 1>as it currently stands, and certainly last year, but yeah,

448
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<v Speaker 1>past that, you know.

449
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<v Speaker 2>The Dodgers appear to have an actual this year.

450
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Dodgers are having like the most competent normal

451
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<v Speaker 3>regular season they've had in a while.

452
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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, they're going to win like one hundred and

453
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<v Speaker 2>three games probably.

454
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<v Speaker 3>This ship seems steady, which probably means they'll lose in

455
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<v Speaker 3>the playoffs. But yeah, look, it's any reasonable look at

456
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<v Speaker 3>the standings, you got to pick the Dodgers. I will

457
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<v Speaker 3>I will take the Brewers just out of the y

458
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<v Speaker 3>will eventually happen.

459
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<v Speaker 2>I think if that happens, though, it's going to be

460
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<v Speaker 2>like we need the Dave Roberts leaves shoheo tani and

461
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<v Speaker 2>for too long and Alec Parlson has a three run

462
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<v Speaker 2>home run and tribute to Matt Carpenter or something.

463
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

464
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not saying that guy were necessarily beat the Dodgers,

465
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<v Speaker 3>but that's.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Left at the end the end. Yeah, braves don't have

467
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<v Speaker 2>enough pitching.

468
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<v Speaker 1>Boy, you know, like three weeks ago, the Braves that

469
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<v Speaker 1>have been so tempting and now they are starting, they

470
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<v Speaker 1>they will get they will patch holes like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they will be active at the deadlight. I

472
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<v Speaker 2>just don't know like they're starting. They're already starting. Bryce

473
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<v Speaker 2>Elder and Grant Homes Yeah.

474
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<v Speaker 1>Right, Uh, they'll get swelling back at some point.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's like a.

476
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<v Speaker 1>At some point. I'm not sure whether that uh yeah yeah.

477
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<v Speaker 2>Michael Harris is cooling off a little bit, which is

478
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<v Speaker 2>going to happen.

479
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know Martin Perez or a check, it's three

480
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<v Speaker 1>on the dog.

481
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<v Speaker 2>It's Martin Prez is still doing it like Dom Smith isn't.

482
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<v Speaker 2>Like Dom Smith's down to two seventy nine th seventeen four,

483
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<v Speaker 2>which is like fine, yeah, it's also want to wait

484
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<v Speaker 2>for Dom Smith, but it's not he's no longer like

485
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<v Speaker 2>carrying the lineup.

486
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

487
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like they have been able to keep their catchers

488
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<v Speaker 2>healthy either, which has been well, why Joey Bart is here?

489
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<v Speaker 1>It's still mad about the trade. I should write about that,

490
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<v Speaker 1>I guess.

491
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<v Speaker 2>So okay, So, I mean it's a really good bullpen,

492
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<v Speaker 2>I guess if they get in. But yeah, I know I.

493
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<v Speaker 1>Will begrudgingly go with the Dodgers as well. I would.

494
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<v Speaker 1>I'm I would like to say someone else. I'm desperately

495
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.480
<v Speaker 1>searching for a reason not too, but I don't think

496
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<v Speaker 1>you can come up with one. I think at least

497
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<v Speaker 1>there are a good teams, right, at least you can,

498
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<v Speaker 1>like if the Dodgers in the American League, this segment

499
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<v Speaker 1>would have been over about five minutes ago, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So speaking in the American League, you have the Yankee

501
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<v Speaker 1>forty eight wins, the Rays at forty four, Craig not

502
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<v Speaker 1>here somewhere off just like bellowing into the night. Cleveland's

503
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<v Speaker 1>so forty two, Chicago is at forty one, Seattle is

504
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<v Speaker 1>it forty one? We're already at teams that are five hundred.

505
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, very quickly, what do you guys think I.

506
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<v Speaker 3>Would gonna be something the Blue.

507
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<v Speaker 2>Jays, It's gonna be some. I just feel like I

508
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.720
<v Speaker 2>guess the chalk is the Yankees because they all have

509
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<v Speaker 2>Judge back by then it's a really good front of

510
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<v Speaker 2>the rotation. Although I'm Garrett Cole doesn't seem to like

511
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Gary called this just way, but Garrett Cole is now right.

512
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they have enough pitching.

513
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I support in the lineup now they have supporting

514
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<v Speaker 3>like that.

515
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Ben Rice has been basically Aaron Judge this year. So

516
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<v Speaker 2>I just don't I don't feel it. I guess for

517
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.000
<v Speaker 2>the bit, I should pick the Rays. So I'm gonna

518
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<v Speaker 2>pick the Rays and they qualify as as well. Chandler

519
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<v Speaker 2>Simpson's warming back up. Y, Yeah, all right, rob Manfred,

520
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.039
<v Speaker 2>you got what you wanted going into a CVA negotiation,

521
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Brewers Rays. The economy of baseball is fine.

522
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think the Yankees they're just clear favorites at

523
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:22.519
<v Speaker 1>this point. They have the depth of other teams.

524
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:24.960
<v Speaker 2>They're not even that good. Is that that they do?

525
00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:28.799
<v Speaker 2>They do The top of their roster is better than

526
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:30.240
<v Speaker 2>any other top of the roster.

527
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<v Speaker 3>Right here, I could be talked into the Tigers if

528
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<v Speaker 3>they make up.

529
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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, you welcome to the podcast.

530
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<v Speaker 3>But I'll take the Blue Jays.

531
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<v Speaker 1>I'll take you think they can overcome that three run,

532
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.319
<v Speaker 1>three win deaf sent under the Twins. The Twins first,

533
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.119
<v Speaker 1>my the the answer. I want my heart wants the

534
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<v Speaker 1>Astros to pull this off. I don't even know why.

535
00:27:58.440 --> 00:27:59.599
<v Speaker 1>I think it would just be scary for.

536
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<v Speaker 3>That, I don't know Brown going every day.

537
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, run in Peter Lambert.

538
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Peter Lambert, game teacher star here for that.

539
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Spencer Arraghetty just outruns his fip for the entire season. Yeah,

540
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:18.799
<v Speaker 1>it would be very good. Uh, it won't happen, but it'd.

541
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<v Speaker 2>Be very good. God, these playoffs are going to be

542
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<v Speaker 2>who do you even put in the the annual Raised

543
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<v Speaker 2>Guardians one PM? Yeah, wild card spot? Is it just

544
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<v Speaker 2>gonna it's me the Rais and the Guardians. There could

545
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<v Speaker 2>be three series like that.

546
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you kind of like you do kind of hope

547
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.039
<v Speaker 1>for some Athletics White Sox nonsense.

548
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 2>One of these teams, one of the Ales, either the

549
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.119
<v Speaker 2>AL Central winner or the AL West winner has to

550
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:50.599
<v Speaker 2>get a bye.

551
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:51.759
<v Speaker 3>That's true.

552
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's true.

553
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:55.680
<v Speaker 2>So the Guardians might have to wait to play the Rays.

554
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.599
<v Speaker 2>It might be Raised Athletics INZAC Manta.

555
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<v Speaker 1>And then we we you know, the Podres are technically

556
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<v Speaker 1>in a wild card spot right now facing them. We

557
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<v Speaker 1>talked about Cleveland, Cleveland Podres.

558
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<v Speaker 3>What's the fewest runs the team has ever scored in

559
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<v Speaker 3>a postseason series.

560
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.240
<v Speaker 2>It's the Raised Guardian. I'm pretty like that. Then they

561
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:19.960
<v Speaker 2>have that sixteen.

562
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then they won like two to one the

563
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 1>night before ye two games swep before runs. Yeah, yeah,

564
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.319
<v Speaker 1>all right, number We'll go on the topic number two.

565
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<v Speaker 1>If you choose not to decide, you still have made

566
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<v Speaker 1>a choice, Jeff, with these in the docs, so we're

567
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<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna let him sell who we're supposed to

568
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<v Speaker 1>be picking between on these.

569
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<v Speaker 2>So I was looking into actual Rookie of the Year article,

570
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<v Speaker 2>which I'm not gonna end up writing, but I'm repurposing

571
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<v Speaker 2>for this because when I looked up mcgonagh one weather Hold,

572
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.720
<v Speaker 2>not only are they post on all your statistical metrics

573
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:59.279
<v Speaker 2>of choice, even up to an including war under the hood,

574
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:03.039
<v Speaker 2>they are almost a exactly the same player like every

575
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<v Speaker 2>exit velocity marker, contact marker, damage marker, swing decision marker.

576
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Now McGonagall does make a little more contact and uh

577
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:18.079
<v Speaker 2>as a better approach Weatherhole is clearly the better defender

578
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.079
<v Speaker 2>at this point, very good defensive second basement. But my

579
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<v Speaker 2>question was simply, and I've kind of already a little

580
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<v Speaker 2>bit of addressed this in the end of Rookie of

581
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<v Speaker 2>the Year, after the rook of the Year segment after

582
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<v Speaker 2>Patrick trains the agenda, but basically, who would you want

583
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<v Speaker 2>who would you want going forward out of these two guys?

584
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<v Speaker 1>A well, surprise, mcgonagall's ISO is down to one.

585
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>It's mostly like doubles. Actually, I should say he's not

586
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.799
<v Speaker 2>hitting as many doubles as I thought he would hit,

587
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.359
<v Speaker 2>which was like the home run rate. I think we'll

588
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>get to like fifteen twenty home runs, but he's not

589
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.119
<v Speaker 2>heading as many doubles as I thought he would.

590
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I tipped my hand earlier. But I

591
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<v Speaker 3>like McGonagall. There's something in my pattern recognition brain that

592
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 3>places him more in the class of guys who have

593
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 3>really figured out getting the bat to the ball and

594
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.920
<v Speaker 3>can later figure out an approach to occasionally get the

595
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:07.839
<v Speaker 3>bat to the ball way out in front to hit

596
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 3>pull home runs. Like he feels like that type of

597
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:13.599
<v Speaker 3>guy that will add another level. So I would take him.

598
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:15.720
<v Speaker 3>I would not be stunned if weather Hold ends up

599
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.160
<v Speaker 3>being the better player, but I still like mcgonagall's ceiling

600
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:18.680
<v Speaker 3>a lot more.

601
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's funny because you look at their profiles

602
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:25.519
<v Speaker 2>and it really is like marginal stuff, but it's also

603
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:30.079
<v Speaker 2>marginal stuff that adds up. Like the his like weather

604
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:32.039
<v Speaker 2>Holds see contacts like eighty six eighty seven, which is

605
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 2>very good. Mcgonaga's is like low nineties, which does make

606
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.880
<v Speaker 2>a difference when you know you're trying. If you're trying

607
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.000
<v Speaker 2>to you know, run the balance and sell out for

608
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:42.720
<v Speaker 2>a little more power, you've just got more to give

609
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.680
<v Speaker 2>back without you know, strikeouts creeping in or quality of

610
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:50.039
<v Speaker 2>contact decreasing like weather Hole. Weather Hoole pulls the ball

611
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>up fair a bit, but it's like two percent less

612
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 2>in the air, So it's just like enough that over

613
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:58.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, a six hundred at bat five hundred ball

614
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.079
<v Speaker 2>in play sample, like, it does start to add up

615
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.240
<v Speaker 2>around the margins, which is again why I think you're

616
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:06.759
<v Speaker 2>seeing like a fifty point spread in batting average right now.

617
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.039
<v Speaker 2>You have to like Weatherhole has weather Hold, This kind

618
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.559
<v Speaker 2>of just feels like what weather Hop will be until

619
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, whatever the athleticism goes or the bas fue

620
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Goes or whatever. Well, you could see McGonagall like he

621
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>figured it out so quickly, but also you could see

622
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.839
<v Speaker 2>just him taking a year and just being like, oh,

623
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:28.359
<v Speaker 2>coming back next year and be like, Okay, I'm gonna

624
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>hit twenty five home runs this year.

625
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Ye I'm gonna be that hitter instead.

626
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Give me that hit her.

627
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah.

628
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.559
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't help that. I feel like every time that

629
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 1>I see McGonagall, studies made some clutch hit to win it.

630
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, he does come in like he feels more

631
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:49.240
<v Speaker 2>like he'll go over four were then have a two

632
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>home run game the next day. Well, McGonagall just goes

633
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>one for three with the walk every single game. So

634
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>that's that aspect to it. Like, I don't mcgonagall's actually

635
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.039
<v Speaker 2>graded out better on the left side than I thought

636
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:05.359
<v Speaker 2>he would. I think they should still probably move in

637
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:08.279
<v Speaker 2>to second base long term once Glaber leaves, But they

638
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<v Speaker 2>also are discussing this with some people yesterday or Tuesday,

639
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. And just like, the Tigers have to

640
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:18.799
<v Speaker 2>fill three infield positions and he can only play one,

641
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:20.599
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if they're able to find a

642
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>short stop, so maybe you just him at shortstop. And

643
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:26.079
<v Speaker 2>live with and hope he can at least for a

644
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>few years and hope he can basically battle it to

645
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:28.319
<v Speaker 2>a draw.

646
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I mean, I.

647
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Don't know where they're finding a second basement, a third

648
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess. I guess Jazz is a free agent. But

649
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.680
<v Speaker 2>the free agent class is terrible. They don't really have

650
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>an internal like they've gone through their internal infield options,

651
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>like it's not going to be Chase Young and or

652
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.319
<v Speaker 2>how you lay. I don't think t is done, Tween

653
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:50.279
<v Speaker 2>is gone, Hape Bias is here for another year.

654
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>But it's true.

655
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.119
<v Speaker 3>Whether is Zach mckinstreet.

656
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, they'll still be here as well. I'm

657
00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>pretty sure that fear might be looming.

658
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.839
<v Speaker 1>I guess between them, I'm gonna pick the guy with

659
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:04.359
<v Speaker 1>the walk great higher than the strikeout rate. Probably just

660
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>is a nice safe outlet.

661
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 2>All right, So our next one again, we talked about

662
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:16.840
<v Speaker 2>this little bit in MVP, but like Peak, her Armstrong

663
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.719
<v Speaker 2>or Andy Pyees, both have taken pretty big jumps this year.

664
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:22.880
<v Speaker 2>PA has more on the defensive side of though he

665
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.840
<v Speaker 2>is hitting better as well. PCA has been, you know,

666
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:30.000
<v Speaker 2>a legitimate NL MVP candidate. But how much we believe

667
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:30.840
<v Speaker 2>in this going forward.

668
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:39.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm one as a as a preference in those two

669
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:43.079
<v Speaker 3>and I don't really like PCA at the levels of

670
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 3>which I should. I think the play discipline scares the

671
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.480
<v Speaker 3>hell out of me, but I think he has the

672
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.400
<v Speaker 3>other stuff to make up for it, whereas PA has

673
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.360
<v Speaker 3>does this thing where it's like two months he's swinging

674
00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:59.840
<v Speaker 3>at everything and hitting everything, and two months he's swinging

675
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:03.679
<v Speaker 3>it everything and has a zero seven to five batting average.

676
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:08.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's really PAHZ feels like a poor man's

677
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.079
<v Speaker 3>Michael Harris the second to me, which is obviously not

678
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.639
<v Speaker 3>the level that I think PCA can be better than that.

679
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:20.000
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I cannot believe the PCA has a nine

680
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>point three walk percentage right now. He's the three sixty

681
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>six a weep. It can't hold up. Like he does

682
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.119
<v Speaker 1>not have a plate discipline to support that.

683
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.880
<v Speaker 2>He's like he's just swinging less basically this year, like

684
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.199
<v Speaker 2>lesson he's still chasing, and he's swinging more or less

685
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 2>in the zone, which is not normally what you'd want

686
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:47.599
<v Speaker 2>in this scenario. But like he is hitting the ball harder.

687
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:53.000
<v Speaker 2>But there's nothing here to me that says like this

688
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.400
<v Speaker 2>is real, Like none of the under Like there's a

689
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of blue going to red on the savant page

690
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 2>where everybody but like squared up percentage still like blue

691
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Chase dark blue with blue Kay Again, they're all better

692
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Speaker 2>than they were last year, like he is. His whiff

693
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.119
<v Speaker 2>has gone from twenty third percentile to twenty seventh, his

694
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.920
<v Speaker 2>chase has gone from second to eleventh, but his walk

695
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>has gone from fourth to fifty third. Like it doesn't

696
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.320
<v Speaker 2>it seems like a weird sequencing thing.

697
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:28.559
<v Speaker 1>He's like, yeah, he's he's like ninety fifth percentile on

698
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.159
<v Speaker 1>on zone percentage. Like they just don't throw them strikes.

699
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:34.400
<v Speaker 1>So I guess if you're just gonna stop swinging at strikes,

700
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>it's good that they aren't throwing that many to begin with, right.

701
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that holds up, But you know,

702
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:42.039
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about Bryce Harper early in the year

703
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 1>and how he was suddenly getting strikes and now he's

704
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:46.039
<v Speaker 1>down to you know, like the second lowest zone rate

705
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>in baseball.

706
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:50.119
<v Speaker 3>You like PCA. In fact, I bet there will be

707
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.320
<v Speaker 3>an article about this between now and the All Star

708
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Game that everyone will memory hole within a week. But

709
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.559
<v Speaker 3>it feels like he's taken Alex Bregman's advice without the

710
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 3>eye to do he's supposed to do with that, but

711
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 3>he's still got the physical talent that it works out

712
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 3>fine anyway. But yeah, he's he's doing this like more

713
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:12.719
<v Speaker 3>he's trying to impose patience upon himself without the actual

714
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:18.360
<v Speaker 3>discipline or not discipline the nuance of his eye to

715
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:19.559
<v Speaker 3>to make hay with that.

716
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 2>But you know, yeah, like I assume this had been

717
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>like usually when you see this happen, it's a guy

718
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.440
<v Speaker 2>that without like an actual swing decision improvement, they're still chasing,

719
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.440
<v Speaker 2>but they're just fouling more stuff off and eventually, but

720
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.760
<v Speaker 2>he's not. I was zone contact is almost exactly the

721
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>same as I was last year. Like, there's no reason

722
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>for Milwaukee in this much.

723
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take Pca just because the other reason Paties

724
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>is a year older, which the single year doesn't seem

725
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>like me much.

726
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:50.760
<v Speaker 2>But it actually does. I mean, I think that's right.

727
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:53.559
<v Speaker 2>I just don't. It was interesting to because I'm looking

728
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.599
<v Speaker 2>at this like PCA has clearly been the better player

729
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.079
<v Speaker 2>this year, and I could back he might have been

730
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.280
<v Speaker 2>the better player last year even with the bad second half,

731
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:04.840
<v Speaker 2>because Piees was like good but not great, but like

732
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe it, Like this is one of those

733
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>things where it's just like the vibes are off, like yeah,

734
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 2>like I don't like the Harris is obviously having a

735
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:17.719
<v Speaker 2>good season this year, but he had two really bad

736
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:20.719
<v Speaker 2>ones before this, Like yeah, so like could Pca like

737
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.920
<v Speaker 2>have that kind of like we just falls off a

738
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:24.719
<v Speaker 2>cliff the next year. By that, I mean it's like

739
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 2>ninety seven ops plus with good center field defense, but

740
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.840
<v Speaker 2>it isn't carrying your lineup and then just pop with

741
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.639
<v Speaker 2>up one of these seasons when he's twenty seven, Yeah, probably,

742
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 2>I think Pies will like really be more consistent, but

743
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 2>just fall off. Yeah, sooner, like he's going to be

744
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:42.599
<v Speaker 2>a right fielder DH by the time he's like twenty

745
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.039
<v Speaker 2>nine probably yeah.

746
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And he doesn't walk either, like like he's he's

747
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:56.079
<v Speaker 1>got a three eighteen OVP Yeah yeah, right.

748
00:38:56.440 --> 00:39:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Would you rather be David Stearns or Craig Bresla.

749
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to tackle this today because I'm gonna

750
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>have to write about this David Peterson trade. We'll talk

751
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.079
<v Speaker 1>about in a little bit. I don't watch the Mets,

752
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:14.840
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's very Yes, I think it's a

753
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 1>very wise choice. It makes it very hard to understand

754
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:22.119
<v Speaker 1>what's going on with David Peterson, whose the area is

755
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.320
<v Speaker 1>like double his FIP at this point. Yeah, but it

756
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.119
<v Speaker 1>feels like that with every single David Stern's move, Like

757
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:31.400
<v Speaker 1>with Craig Breslow, every time he does something you shout

758
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:35.400
<v Speaker 1>at the TV immediately, and every time David Sterns does

759
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.400
<v Speaker 1>something you nod approvingly, and then it goes terribly wrong.

760
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I actually think the phrasing of the question matters.

761
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.119
<v Speaker 3>You said, who would you rather be? Yeah, I think

762
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:50.280
<v Speaker 3>I would rather be Craig Breslow because at least, yeah,

763
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:54.679
<v Speaker 3>my actions lead to reasonable consequence and I'll probably be

764
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.840
<v Speaker 3>put out of my misery soon. David Sterns. It's like,

765
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.199
<v Speaker 3>if if you phrased it, who would you read there

766
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:04.199
<v Speaker 3>have as your team's executive That would take David Stearns

767
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.719
<v Speaker 3>by a mile. But like, because I was in support

768
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 3>of pretty much everything David Sterns did, I thought that

769
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:14.119
<v Speaker 3>all made sense. Some of it was obviously risky, but

770
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:18.119
<v Speaker 3>in a way that teams do all the time, and

771
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:21.599
<v Speaker 3>it just has all gone splat, And so, yeah, I

772
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.000
<v Speaker 3>feel like David Stearns is in this weird situation where

773
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:28.199
<v Speaker 3>he's taking on the brunt of what might just be

774
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:33.199
<v Speaker 3>a weird black cloud hanging over city Field, and Craig

775
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Breslow has his at least, you know, he had the

776
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.559
<v Speaker 3>giant cloud machine out and put the cloud over Fenways,

777
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:42.280
<v Speaker 3>so he's in control of his own fate.

778
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 2>It's very funny too, because it feels like Breslo is

779
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.599
<v Speaker 2>the guy the Mets will have to hire if they panic,

780
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.239
<v Speaker 2>because that's how Bresla ended up getting that job, basically

781
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:56.280
<v Speaker 2>like that, Yeah, I don't know who it would be.

782
00:40:56.559 --> 00:41:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who the Craig Breslow is right now,

783
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.159
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know who's taking that Mets job. Yeah,

784
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:13.079
<v Speaker 2>I just I don't think Stearns is getting fired, although

785
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 2>it keeps getting I just I think there's too much.

786
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 2>There's been too much stuff in the Mets executive suite

787
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>over the last decade. So they finally got somebody like

788
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.079
<v Speaker 2>what is Steve Cohen going to go higher corn ferry

789
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.119
<v Speaker 2>and go get a corn ferry because he's not like

790
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:39.440
<v Speaker 2>who's he going to pick? But I do think there'll

791
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 2>be changes coming.

792
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:41.079
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

793
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Bresola feels like he could just like Boston, so Breslow

794
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:53.039
<v Speaker 2>as a sort of Steinbrenner ish as so as soon

795
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:55.840
<v Speaker 2>as the sign better traits that Cohen gets attributed, which

796
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think are entirely accurate. The Red Sox front office.

797
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Red Sox ownership is the ones that like well immediately,

798
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:05.519
<v Speaker 2>and they do it for different reasons than Steinbrender did.

799
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.400
<v Speaker 2>It's more to like protecting Sime. BRender was legitimately just

800
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.280
<v Speaker 2>upset whenever they lost the game. The Red Sox ownership

801
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 2>feels like, Okay, people are looking at us, time to

802
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:17.960
<v Speaker 2>fire the GM, Like, well, let's give them something else

803
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:18.599
<v Speaker 2>to talk about.

804
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the Red Sox are depressing. Mickey Gasper is

805
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:28.079
<v Speaker 3>the Meadoff man. I mean it is, the Mets are confounding.

806
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:31.719
<v Speaker 3>The Red Sox are just like, oh this is bad, and.

807
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the Red Sox, like I think if these

808
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.840
<v Speaker 2>if you had your the converse of this, if you

809
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.639
<v Speaker 2>had your pick up the job, I think you would

810
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:46.880
<v Speaker 2>definitely take the Red Sox job. Weirdly, just because like

811
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.679
<v Speaker 2>they have these like obviously Anthony's been hurt most of

812
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:51.559
<v Speaker 2>the year, but they have these good young players. You know,

813
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:57.119
<v Speaker 2>you can go build around early and totally in the

814
00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:59.480
<v Speaker 2>rotation and like our ranger Swaz has been fine. I

815
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 2>don't have all that contracts going to age. We can fine,

816
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>like you should be able to, Like there's just more layups,

817
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Like you just need to go get a third basement.

818
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:10.880
<v Speaker 2>That's better than Caleb Durban, right, Like.

819
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Don't get absolutely hoodwinked by the Brewers.

820
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.599
<v Speaker 2>That Trevors is almost done. Yeah, like it does not

821
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 2>feel it feels like you could do were there Like

822
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:28.119
<v Speaker 2>the Mets, I mean, you have one Soto, right, You'll

823
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:33.280
<v Speaker 2>always have one Sodo and actually you can move on

824
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.440
<v Speaker 2>from that, you know. The other I don't know. People

825
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 2>like the chef might actually hit well enough that he

826
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:41.400
<v Speaker 2>opts out. Given the quality of the free agent class

827
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>on the position player side, he can probably beat too.

828
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.639
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's like two seventy left on this

829
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:53.360
<v Speaker 2>deal after this year, Like I probably beat that, which

830
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:55.480
<v Speaker 2>would be I think good for both sides at this point.

831
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:57.519
<v Speaker 2>But the Mets, like if he's good enough to opt out,

832
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.480
<v Speaker 2>they're still going to replace that production. Right here, you

833
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.599
<v Speaker 2>have like McLean has been scuffling, but I think it'll

834
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:07.079
<v Speaker 2>be fine. You know, benja Ewing have been have like

835
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:13.159
<v Speaker 2>the normal like good prospect rookie transition season where they

836
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.679
<v Speaker 2>haven't maybe actualized all of their skills, but they're going

837
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.480
<v Speaker 2>to be like three win players, right, and then it's like,

838
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, they should be able to solve first base,

839
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Like firstly base is not like with someone other than

840
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Mark Biento's basically like Alvarez when he's healthy, has been

841
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.880
<v Speaker 2>a perfectly fine catcher. But it just it does as

842
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:35.440
<v Speaker 2>someone that has covered the Mets for fifteen years now,

843
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:39.639
<v Speaker 2>like I don't believe in the like the black cloud stuff,

844
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:44.199
<v Speaker 2>but like this year has been kind of confounding and

845
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.239
<v Speaker 2>that yeah. Actually, like no, they were just like bad

846
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.440
<v Speaker 2>at putting together a baseball team before and I caught

847
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:51.119
<v Speaker 2>up with them by the end of the season. Now

848
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 2>they might actually be cursed.

849
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean the Mets aren't even that old, Like.

850
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, they're not the young players for a.

851
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.440
<v Speaker 1>While on this you just decide to give up on him,

852
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:07.840
<v Speaker 1>yeah the doors thirty two. Otherwise, like nobody on this

853
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>team is really like if Bishet moves on, you know,

854
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:13.199
<v Speaker 1>SODA's twenty seven and he's like now one of the

855
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:17.159
<v Speaker 1>oldest players on the lineup. Like I don't know, they

856
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.679
<v Speaker 1>seem as long as I don't look at them, they

857
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:24.679
<v Speaker 1>seem fine, but when it comes to the Sterns, I

858
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:27.760
<v Speaker 1>was thinking, just like, I feel like the Mets need

859
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 1>to need to keep Sterns just to have some stability

860
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:33.719
<v Speaker 1>in the front office, the way that other teams have

861
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 1>to reset the cap. Yeah, three years of one guy

862
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.559
<v Speaker 1>just to calm down so the next time you can

863
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:44.840
<v Speaker 1>make a rational decision. Yeah, yeah, it's weird.

864
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:47.800
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing, And I talked about a lot

865
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:51.760
<v Speaker 2>with Jared on our podcast, but there really wasn't like,

866
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.639
<v Speaker 2>even with like perfect hindsight, there really wasn't an alternate

867
00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:00.119
<v Speaker 2>path here, like just keeping McNeil, Alonzo and Nemo and

868
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:02.960
<v Speaker 2>have done it. Like Alonzo has been a eight hundred

869
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.920
<v Speaker 2>ops first baseman, which is fine, better than what they're

870
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.920
<v Speaker 2>rolling out, but not enough to make that McNeil's been

871
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:12.920
<v Speaker 2>terrible and Nimo has been frankly, probably worse than benja Ewing.

872
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.719
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I was gonna say Nimo has probably he's

873
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.880
<v Speaker 3>been better than Semion, but that's only because he wouldn't

874
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:22.639
<v Speaker 3>have been the same with the Mets because he wouldn't

875
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:27.119
<v Speaker 3>have been playing He shouldn't have been playing outfield, Like It's.

876
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.519
<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons he waved his no trade is

877
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:30.800
<v Speaker 2>they wanted him to play Jace Morning you wanted to

878
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:35.320
<v Speaker 2>keep playing the outfield. Uh, and then like the others

879
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 2>butt like okay, they could have gotten Ryan O'Hearn instead

880
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:42.480
<v Speaker 2>of Jorge Polanco. Good. Yeah, again, like you're just not

881
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.960
<v Speaker 2>even like you don't do the peralta trade like Froten

882
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Williams aren't helping you. You still have to like fill

883
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 2>those innings and you're all the pictures you've rolled out there,

884
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.519
<v Speaker 2>like what picture are you signing? Yeah, I guess Michael

885
00:46:55.599 --> 00:47:01.199
<v Speaker 2>King if you don't, if you don't find playing third

886
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:05.320
<v Speaker 2>base like even yeah, I mean Bellinger is the one

887
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.559
<v Speaker 2>right like you and they were around. Have you gotten

888
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Bellinger and Schwarmer, Like you can look at this and

889
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:15.920
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, but that gets you closer. I mean,

890
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Bellinger's been very good, but again, the replacement level here

891
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 2>is a j ewing.

892
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:24.719
<v Speaker 3>It's not replacement level, and Bellinger might not be as

893
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:26.199
<v Speaker 3>good in that park.

894
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Ye, right, so as that too, you know, even I mean,

895
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:30.639
<v Speaker 2>if you get Bellinger and swar whether you're a five

896
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 2>hundred team right, like it's oh yeah, and that's maybe

897
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:35.679
<v Speaker 2>enough to make a run second half, it's better. But

898
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 2>like that's and that's the perfect kid sight Like, it

899
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.920
<v Speaker 2>just wasn't like they didn't get a step forward. So

900
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:44.920
<v Speaker 2>the guys they need step forwards. And they maybe shouldn't

901
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.599
<v Speaker 2>have been making on some of them, but you know,

902
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 2>I think they something like Lindor and Soto have played

903
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:52.159
<v Speaker 2>like ten games together.

904
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we should know it.

905
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:55.639
<v Speaker 2>I put it in around the horns if we're out

906
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:57.599
<v Speaker 2>about it. But I guess we can do it here

907
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.480
<v Speaker 2>like priscoal and Door is just back ye yep, Yeah,

908
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.760
<v Speaker 2>they just like know he had played three rehab games.

909
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he played it back to back and

910
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:05.400
<v Speaker 2>then you just played the second game the double dder.

911
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:09.119
<v Speaker 3>Yea's what you gotta do.

912
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:09.559
<v Speaker 1>I guess.

913
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:12.280
<v Speaker 2>I guess like that doesn't make a lot of sense

914
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:16.199
<v Speaker 2>to me. But where we are, well.

915
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:17.719
<v Speaker 1>The Mets are at that point of the season where

916
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>they're just sick of everybody that's there.

917
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's still mine running more.

918
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:23.280
<v Speaker 1>You said, we're just we're just sick of him. We

919
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:27.840
<v Speaker 1>just need to not have him beyond the team.

920
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh and now one specifically for Patrick, but you know

921
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.239
<v Speaker 2>going forward, would you rather be the Rockies or the Royals?

922
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Royals? Next section, well, I want to see the Rockies

923
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>develop a picture please, Yeah, until they do that totally,

924
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Like it's like the first thing on the driving test,

925
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.079
<v Speaker 1>can you can you pull your pull into traffic? Right?

926
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:52.599
<v Speaker 3>You know?

927
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Great for Antonio sense of telling. Victor Voonmick has a

928
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:57.719
<v Speaker 1>seven point zero six y R right like your closer

929
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.719
<v Speaker 1>has a seven e arra. I don't think.

930
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:04.639
<v Speaker 2>They've make the moves they've made around the margins have

931
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:06.679
<v Speaker 2>like mostly worked out. I mean I'm talking mostly. I'm

932
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.599
<v Speaker 2>talking about like Troy Johnson and t J. Rumfeld. But

933
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:14.800
<v Speaker 2>like they seem to be able to identify that kind

934
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:18.800
<v Speaker 2>of player in a way the previous Rockies administrations were not,

935
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.960
<v Speaker 2>or they the Rockies administrations shot higher and like you know,

936
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.400
<v Speaker 2>they got like Nolan Jones for a year and that

937
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.800
<v Speaker 2>just fell apart. I look at it might for.

938
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 3>T J.

939
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Rumfeld and Troy Johnson, but it feels like they've had

940
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:38.559
<v Speaker 2>to do less. There's takes less effort to get this

941
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of production.

942
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:45.599
<v Speaker 1>It's so easy not to lose one hundred and twenty games.

943
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:44.079
<v Speaker 1>It is.

944
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:51.400
<v Speaker 3>In fact, I will, yeah, I will counterpoint that the

945
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:58.280
<v Speaker 3>Royals are getting stressful to me in the Angels way

946
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 3>of oh, they really don't don't know what to do.

947
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:07.000
<v Speaker 3>In addition to Bobby wit Junior like the the other like,

948
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.199
<v Speaker 3>it's great that Jack Kaglione has started to figure things out.

949
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:14.000
<v Speaker 3>That's a huge development for them. I just, oh, what

950
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.679
<v Speaker 3>are we doing with Nick Lofton and Isaac Collins.

951
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.960
<v Speaker 1>And literally gets plus every year for the rest of

952
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:21.320
<v Speaker 1>the job.

953
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.800
<v Speaker 3>What was it get John Rave or whatever? Like? Who

954
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.519
<v Speaker 3>is whoever plays the outfield for them? Is just like

955
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:29.800
<v Speaker 3>it's not even that they turn into a pumpkin. They

956
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.360
<v Speaker 3>only buy rotten pumpkins for the Mike Field.

957
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:34.920
<v Speaker 1>M J. Melynd Is is good enough to start at the

958
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:36.599
<v Speaker 1>h for the New York Mets. It must have been

959
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:42.159
<v Speaker 1>all right, Yeah, they it would be nice to see

960
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>them develop somebody who isn't like a high first round pick, right.

961
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.920
<v Speaker 3>I just worry about the Royals that like their big

962
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.280
<v Speaker 3>show of force last year was signing to thirty four

963
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:55.719
<v Speaker 3>to thirty five year old pitchers for longer. It's like

964
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:58.960
<v Speaker 3>this is they already hadn't work out that well.

965
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:04.920
<v Speaker 2>And I do fine, Yeah, the pictures they just can't. Yeah,

966
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.760
<v Speaker 2>their farms just some remains very bad though. The Rockies

967
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:13.079
<v Speaker 2>isn't great either. Yeah, And I think the argument for

968
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:19.039
<v Speaker 2>the Rockies is they have confident executives from twenty twelve,

969
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:24.159
<v Speaker 2>which they've never had before. Now, I don't know if

970
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 2>that gets them the upside past the Bobby Witt Royals.

971
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.039
<v Speaker 2>But I also don't know what the Royals are gonna

972
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:31.760
<v Speaker 2>do different.

973
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:35.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think the argument for the Rockies is that

974
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.199
<v Speaker 3>they made a regime change. In the Royals, we're still

975
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:39.679
<v Speaker 3>on Dayton Moore's underlings.

976
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean we've we've hit we've hit

977
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:48.719
<v Speaker 1>the late miguilerbre years of Salvat repairs. They're just gonna

978
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:49.519
<v Speaker 1>play them every day.

979
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even though they have the two forty six OVP

980
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Jensen Carter Carter, Yeah.

981
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 1>They probably could name Jensen Carter.

982
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Carter Carter like a baseball player than Carter Jensen.

983
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Now that it does.

984
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but still I'm sorry.

985
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess the Brails advantages are also in

986
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the El Central.

987
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is that does help not having to stare

988
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:19.079
<v Speaker 1>up at the Dodgers forever. All right, let's go ahead

989
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:20.760
<v Speaker 1>and take a break and we'llcome back to the show

990
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:43.079
<v Speaker 1>and finish the rest. All right, welcome back. We're on

991
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:46.239
<v Speaker 1>to segment three. A farewell to arms which is a

992
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:49.320
<v Speaker 1>better novel than the sports writer. Uh. First, we'll start

993
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:54.039
<v Speaker 1>with every Cubs pitcher. If you are a Cubs pitcher,

994
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:58.519
<v Speaker 1>you may want to, you know, find a safe place

995
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:03.159
<v Speaker 1>to hide because every one is getting hurt. Their rotation

996
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:06.199
<v Speaker 1>currently I think is, uh, it's Boyd back. I don't

997
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:10.199
<v Speaker 1>think Boyd's he comes back tonight. Okay, So as we're recording,

998
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the current rotation is Ray and Asad I think, And

999
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:17.639
<v Speaker 1>then that's literally it. There are three pictures in the rotation.

1000
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:19.880
<v Speaker 2>They have added two.

1001
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:24.480
<v Speaker 1>So well, so we will get to there. They've added pictures.

1002
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:29.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they're starters. So yeah, Edward Cabrera,

1003
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:31.800
<v Speaker 1>he is on the il Ben Brown, I can't remember

1004
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:37.519
<v Speaker 1>what the injuries were covering Like everybody else, I feel

1005
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:43.360
<v Speaker 1>like it's been it's been a real hamstring year. And

1006
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:45.320
<v Speaker 1>then you know, put in the dock house and can

1007
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:47.280
<v Speaker 1>they make a trade, And the answer was thirty minutes after.

1008
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.039
<v Speaker 2>In the should they make a trade? And then I

1009
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.360
<v Speaker 2>got the betification they traded.

1010
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:55.519
<v Speaker 1>And the trade is David Peterson for Cole Mathis Peterson.

1011
00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:57.239
<v Speaker 1>He had the ninety d R A minus.

1012
00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, look, I do think Peterson has been a

1013
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:06.000
<v Speaker 2>little unlucky this year. I don't think he's been enough

1014
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.559
<v Speaker 2>unlucky to want him in your starting irritation.

1015
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean the reaction every Mets fan I saw. The

1016
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:16.320
<v Speaker 1>reaction was, oh, we got somebody.

1017
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then this came out. I'm like, like, what

1018
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.039
<v Speaker 2>a ball reliever with interesting rates are they going to

1019
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.199
<v Speaker 2>get for twelve starts of David Peterson? And I guess

1020
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:27.599
<v Speaker 2>you're paying the premium to get actual She's probably more

1021
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.239
<v Speaker 2>in twelve starts. You're getting fourteen starts of David Peterson

1022
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:31.880
<v Speaker 2>instead of ten starts of David Peterson.

1023
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, boy, that's fan. Yeah, and you get more starts

1024
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:37.960
<v Speaker 1>of David Peterson.

1025
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Look, the Cubs literally needed a body, and I don't

1026
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:43.199
<v Speaker 2>know how many teams would be willing to trade it,

1027
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.599
<v Speaker 2>like a current starting pitcher on.

1028
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:49.119
<v Speaker 3>Do you think there was a premium that David Peterson

1029
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:50.159
<v Speaker 3>could literally.

1030
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Get on across the cup house. Yeah, he'd be he

1031
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 2>could start to pitch last but yeah, like, yeah, you

1032
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:58.400
<v Speaker 2>can just get on the plane. They don't have to

1033
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.159
<v Speaker 2>worry about like travel or any that.

1034
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's weird. The man meets a flock yep. Yeah,

1035
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean like, no, he's not striking. He hasn't struck

1036
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:11.760
<v Speaker 1>out matters in a while, right, and that would seem

1037
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.039
<v Speaker 1>to be he used to strike out, like you know,

1038
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.559
<v Speaker 1>average amount in like last three years has been twenty,

1039
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:19.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty and twenty. Yes, that's not going to get it

1040
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:20.760
<v Speaker 1>done when you walk nine or ten.

1041
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:25.920
<v Speaker 3>His sequencing seems to be at all times exactly what

1042
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:27.280
<v Speaker 3>the other hitters think it's going.

1043
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, my favorite, like Peterson had the good second

1044
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:37.760
<v Speaker 2>half and what twenty four, No, it was before it

1045
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.440
<v Speaker 2>was twenty his first like good part. I think it

1046
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:42.840
<v Speaker 2>was twenty two. I think I don't remember. He had

1047
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:46.280
<v Speaker 2>one season where like basically his slider was getting a

1048
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:50.079
<v Speaker 2>forty percent with right and then Jeremy Haffner told him

1049
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:51.400
<v Speaker 2>to change his shape so he gets spot it in

1050
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:55.239
<v Speaker 2>his zone more and everything went to crap, like that

1051
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:57.400
<v Speaker 2>just didn't work, Like you need good guys to chase

1052
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.360
<v Speaker 2>your slider. It was like the shape change and getting

1053
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:03.840
<v Speaker 2>hit a lot harder and missing fewer bats. And like

1054
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:07.760
<v Speaker 2>he's shown I saw a Lance Perdowski sweet it was

1055
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:11.039
<v Speaker 2>based like oh the Cubs traded for a cut ride

1056
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:14.199
<v Speaker 2>fastball guy that needs a sweeper, Like I'm shocked, and

1057
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:20.199
<v Speaker 2>like basically like yeah, there's there is a he's never

1058
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.559
<v Speaker 2>He's always pitched like the sinker ball where he was

1059
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:27.280
<v Speaker 2>in college and never pitched like a modern starting pitcher

1060
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:29.719
<v Speaker 2>with that arsenal. They never added like he has a curveball.

1061
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:34.119
<v Speaker 2>The sider is good, but he needs something like slower

1062
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:37.719
<v Speaker 2>than the slider but harder than the curve that he

1063
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:39.480
<v Speaker 2>barely throws. It would be a sweeper and he has

1064
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:41.440
<v Speaker 2>the armslot for it, and he just needs to throw

1065
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:43.519
<v Speaker 2>his forcing up in his own is like it's not

1066
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:46.599
<v Speaker 2>a good pitch, but it's better. Yeah, and his sinker

1067
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:50.880
<v Speaker 2>especially is going against righties, and said he just throws

1068
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:52.639
<v Speaker 2>a not particularly good change up, like it's not a

1069
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:54.239
<v Speaker 2>bad change up, but it's like a forty five change

1070
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:56.679
<v Speaker 2>up too much. I don't know if the Cubs. The

1071
00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Cubs are just looking at this like, oh, we know

1072
00:56:58.039 --> 00:56:59.239
<v Speaker 2>what they do with this, and they will just let

1073
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:02.239
<v Speaker 2>David Peterson David Peterson instead of I think making the

1074
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:02.880
<v Speaker 2>fixes here.

1075
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:06.920
<v Speaker 1>But it's never what they've done with the other.

1076
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:09.519
<v Speaker 2>Every other pictures they have. Yeah, but I did not

1077
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.480
<v Speaker 2>think like Cole Mathis. Look, he's hurt all he's been

1078
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:16.039
<v Speaker 2>hurt basically since his junior year of college. But to

1079
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:18.159
<v Speaker 2>get him out of a system that is very bad

1080
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:22.519
<v Speaker 2>and not particularly deep. I think is good. It is

1081
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:25.199
<v Speaker 2>amusing to me. The David Peterson, like in his Monday

1082
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:28.360
<v Speaker 2>press availability is that we need to reevaluate like our

1083
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:32.239
<v Speaker 2>injury tolerance and then immediately trades for like the guy

1084
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:35.000
<v Speaker 2>that's been hurt since his junior year of college, but

1085
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:38.800
<v Speaker 2>like he might legit like it's a legitimate major league

1086
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:40.920
<v Speaker 2>bad at first place, which is why we're all end up,

1087
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:43.400
<v Speaker 2>which is not something i'd expect you to yet for

1088
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:46.960
<v Speaker 2>two and a half three months of David Peterson.

1089
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Is this is this the Mets signaling that they're packing

1090
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:54.320
<v Speaker 1>it or is this just like we can't turn down

1091
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:54.760
<v Speaker 1>this price?

1092
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's I think it's more that. But

1093
00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 2>they are going to pack it. They're going to pack

1094
00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 2>it in. But I don't think that isn't it? Yeah,

1095
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:04.760
<v Speaker 2>this isn't it. Yeah, it's well, I think when they

1096
00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:07.679
<v Speaker 2>start trading the relievers more than once, like Brooks Railey goes,

1097
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I think you'll know for sure or if they deal Peralta.

1098
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:14.679
<v Speaker 2>I assume they're gonna hold Peralta pretty close to the

1099
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:19.960
<v Speaker 2>deadline because of Scooble lurking as well. But what. I

1100
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:22.159
<v Speaker 2>think that once they start trading the relievers, that's when y'all.

1101
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.559
<v Speaker 1>As somebody who likes to write ta's because it means

1102
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:27.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to think of the topic three times

1103
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:30.920
<v Speaker 1>a week. We've been this has been a light year

1104
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:33.880
<v Speaker 1>for transactions. I feel like, is that is that my

1105
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:35.000
<v Speaker 1>head just because.

1106
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:36.519
<v Speaker 2>I I feel like we.

1107
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Just haven't had many interesting moves, Like I don't know.

1108
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Like this is interesting moves by this time or did

1109
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.679
<v Speaker 3>we just get spoiled by the dev's chaos.

1110
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess there there is that, but then there

1111
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:50.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't know, I'm trying to think of

1112
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:51.480
<v Speaker 1>what the other ones are.

1113
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I feel like there's fairly early in the season, but

1114
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:57.039
<v Speaker 2>that was also like five years ago. Now I go

1115
00:58:57.079 --> 00:58:58.159
<v Speaker 2>back and look, yeah.

1116
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:02.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. I can't tell. I mean, because

1117
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:05.119
<v Speaker 1>we've had more injuries this year, you would think there

1118
00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:08.840
<v Speaker 1>would be more scrambling like this, and instead it's just.

1119
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Been every team signing Austin's later.

1120
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's been too Austin's later playing for

1121
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:17.679
<v Speaker 1>fourteens at the same time. Trying to tell you, but

1122
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:20.800
<v Speaker 1>it's just weird. I don't know, It's probably just me.

1123
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like my expectations are off. Next on

1124
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:27.800
<v Speaker 1>the doc, Mick Abel is having elbow surgery. He has

1125
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:31.920
<v Speaker 1>undergo his second setback each time he seems to apparently

1126
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:33.679
<v Speaker 1>be doing well in his rehab and then having a

1127
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:38.719
<v Speaker 1>set back. So now he's having anthroscopic surgery, not reconstructive surgery.

1128
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:41.079
<v Speaker 1>He's they're going to look around and figure out why

1129
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:46.239
<v Speaker 1>he can't heal. The Twins certainly are a baseball team.

1130
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:50.519
<v Speaker 2>That's fighting for a playoff spot, STUF.

1131
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Fighting for a playoff spot. Let's see where they are

1132
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:55.440
<v Speaker 1>on the old playoff odds right now. You guys want

1133
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 1>to give a guess what loads what do you think?

1134
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Coda liked the Twins too much coming end of the season,

1135
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:04.320
<v Speaker 2>so I still like the Twins too much. I'm gonna

1136
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:09.360
<v Speaker 2>say there's a lot of teams here probably must have

1137
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:12.199
<v Speaker 2>liked whatever I'm thinking about this too much. Twenty seven.

1138
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:15.039
<v Speaker 3>I'll say twelve percent.

1139
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, very good. Zach is, Yeah, they're they're about the

1140
01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Royals below the Tigers or the Jays are looking for

1141
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.159
<v Speaker 1>starting pitching. This is uh. We could have pasted this

1142
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:31.599
<v Speaker 1>into the doc for literally.

1143
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Ross Atkins specifically, they are looking for, say.

1144
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Pitching yeah, let's see what is there. I mean, they're

1145
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:41.480
<v Speaker 1>get they got Pever back and he did not look sharp.

1146
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's see what else they think. I mean Gosmin and

1147
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.760
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, Like the top of the rotation has been fine.

1148
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.159
<v Speaker 3>I think it's been very good, very good. Even like

1149
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:54.480
<v Speaker 3>has been good.

1150
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Good. Savage is like Dieri weirdly hates your Savage. I'm

1151
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:01.199
<v Speaker 1>not really sure what's going on. It's a small sample,

1152
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:01.760
<v Speaker 1>but he's one.

1153
01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:05.199
<v Speaker 3>He has not thrown a ton of strikes since he.

1154
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:08.719
<v Speaker 1>And he's giving up a lot of fly balls, which.

1155
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:09.119
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna do.

1156
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:11.760
<v Speaker 3>But I think he'll be fine in his own way.

1157
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Dylan Cees, of course, has been like just on the

1158
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:16.960
<v Speaker 1>getting into that. Yeah, it's a young conversation.

1159
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:19.960
<v Speaker 2>We were well, yeah, like.

1160
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:25.079
<v Speaker 1>There's a big Patrick corbyan big flashing Patrick Corban in

1161
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:27.639
<v Speaker 1>the rotation. I think as long as Patrick Corbin's in

1162
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:32.199
<v Speaker 1>your rotation, you are obligated to keep saying to join

1163
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:32.760
<v Speaker 1>a rotation.

1164
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.760
<v Speaker 2>It's really shocking to me that you know, they're getting

1165
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:39.119
<v Speaker 2>this incredible all star season from Ernie Clement and they

1166
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:41.360
<v Speaker 2>can't put it together.

1167
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well they're getting an all Star season for

1168
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:47.400
<v Speaker 1>basically every single year the team.

1169
01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:51.079
<v Speaker 3>They are, they're just the twenty fifteen Royals, which they

1170
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.280
<v Speaker 3>really are. They're going to the World Series.

1171
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Luckily we do have the two the runoff now, Yeah,

1172
01:01:57.920 --> 01:01:59.719
<v Speaker 1>like if we didn't have a runoff, this would be

1173
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:03.840
<v Speaker 1>an actual annoying story. Yeah.

1174
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.679
<v Speaker 3>I sent a bandwagon about Ernie Clement like moments before

1175
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:10.920
<v Speaker 3>we've recorded this podcast. Uh, it's just like this is

1176
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.159
<v Speaker 3>not really about Ernie Clement so much. This is just

1177
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:17.599
<v Speaker 3>about like we enjoy the specter of someone beating the Dodgers,

1178
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:20.480
<v Speaker 3>and Ernie Clement was the one who came the closest.

1179
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:25.119
<v Speaker 1>He's a an aesthetically fun hitter, right, he swings at

1180
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:28.400
<v Speaker 1>everything he like, Ernie Clement feels like he's the he

1181
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:34.639
<v Speaker 1>can't keep getting away with it brother. Yeah. Yeah, uh,

1182
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.800
<v Speaker 1>there's some there's some x S tininess here in the profile.

1183
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:42.639
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, just annoying. Yeah, but the annoying hitter

1184
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.559
<v Speaker 1>he can't you know, he just fouls stuff off.

1185
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.880
<v Speaker 3>You just can't go scootero or something, right.

1186
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:53.679
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so and and sure, there of course is

1187
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:58.760
<v Speaker 1>back sasms. So I don't well, we'll see like he

1188
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:01.440
<v Speaker 1>feels he apparently he feels fine. His arm feels fine.

1189
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Everything feels fine except the part of the body that

1190
01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:05.199
<v Speaker 1>happens to keep him for pitching at any given moment

1191
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:08.639
<v Speaker 1>in time. This is how old age works. Ye, at

1192
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:13.679
<v Speaker 1>least he's not justin Verlander, who is less optimistic, you know.

1193
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:16.599
<v Speaker 1>So Sure's there's like, I'm fine, stop talking to me

1194
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:20.440
<v Speaker 1>about this. I will pitch tomorrow. And then Verlander's like, yeah,

1195
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:26.960
<v Speaker 1>it might be dying. Maybe this was all a huge mistake.

1196
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I could be at a beach.

1197
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Both need to hang it up.

1198
01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, then whatever they want to do, it's not

1199
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.159
<v Speaker 1>hurting me. Kodi Singa is in the bullpen. Sure.

1200
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.199
<v Speaker 2>I Also, I also wrote that before if they created

1201
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:42.280
<v Speaker 2>David Peterson, that still holds.

1202
01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:43.639
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's true.

1203
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:46.159
<v Speaker 3>I think David Peters, I think, I think is about

1204
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:51.000
<v Speaker 3>to be in like an angel's uniform or possibly the

1205
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:52.880
<v Speaker 3>padres or something.

1206
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:56.320
<v Speaker 1>This is another one where I have just chosen not.

1207
01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.800
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't throw as hard as he needs to anymore.

1208
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:04.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, he has a career three point sixty three.

1209
01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Or it was under three before, she was under three before.

1210
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:14.599
<v Speaker 1>The Yeah, let's see, he's still strikes. He can't, he's

1211
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.519
<v Speaker 1>not throwing strikes and he's giving up our runs. So

1212
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:19.320
<v Speaker 1>like you know if you do both of those things.

1213
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:22.599
<v Speaker 2>That's right. He's not throwing as hard. Hitters aren't chasing

1214
01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:25.119
<v Speaker 2>the forkball as much, and everything else he throws it's

1215
01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:26.760
<v Speaker 2>anywhere near the zone, it gets crushed.

1216
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's there's the forkball with nothing to support it.

1217
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:33.679
<v Speaker 1>The spliff finger like the lead spliff finger pitch. It

1218
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:37.000
<v Speaker 1>feels like it's the most cliff like falling off a

1219
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:41.039
<v Speaker 1>cliff profile a pitcher can possibly have. I feel like

1220
01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:42.199
<v Speaker 1>we just keep saying it over.

1221
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:44.400
<v Speaker 2>And also hasn't been healthy for the last like thirty months.

1222
01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Right, And finally, Carlos Grasco is fate.

1223
01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:55.119
<v Speaker 3>Which team was he on? Would you like to guess,

1224
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:58.239
<v Speaker 3>Zach which really was he on the Braves?

1225
01:04:58.320 --> 01:04:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he was on the.

1226
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:01.679
<v Speaker 1>He's be fade by the Braves I think seven times

1227
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:05.400
<v Speaker 1>this season already. Yeah, he is just he has just

1228
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:07.159
<v Speaker 1>got a motel on the edge of town.

1229
01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:10.559
<v Speaker 2>I just I put this in here because I'm sort

1230
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:13.480
<v Speaker 2>of like in contrast to the surez Aer and for

1231
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Lander's stuff, where obviously, uh, Crosco was not as good

1232
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:19.639
<v Speaker 2>a picture as them, but he was quite a good

1233
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.079
<v Speaker 2>pitcher in his day. Like we, Crasco is a guy

1234
01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:25.280
<v Speaker 2>that he can keep pitching like nothing is hurting him

1235
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:30.800
<v Speaker 2>despite his age. But it's just it's but he's like

1236
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:33.199
<v Speaker 2>he just keeps like he just shows up to the job,

1237
01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:34.920
<v Speaker 2>like he shows up to Gwinnette when he needs to,

1238
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.199
<v Speaker 2>he shows up in Atlanta comp County when he needs to,

1239
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.599
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, he's gonna do this for a while.

1240
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:45.800
<v Speaker 1>It is like from a player standpoint, like it's not

1241
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:50.480
<v Speaker 1>good that this exists, right, like this this weird, like

1242
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:54.960
<v Speaker 1>this digital you know, tale of the forty man roster. Uh,

1243
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:57.559
<v Speaker 1>but also like it's very funny that the Braves are

1244
01:05:57.599 --> 01:05:59.719
<v Speaker 1>the ones that just keep doing it. We have Jesse

1245
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:01.599
<v Speaker 1>Shan and now we have a new Jesse Shavist, and

1246
01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:04.480
<v Speaker 1>there'll be another Jesse Shavis beyond that. Like it's a

1247
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:08.559
<v Speaker 1>gross thing momentarily and a cool thing esthetically.

1248
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:13.000
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, yeah, they're doing it with veterans instead

1249
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.920
<v Speaker 3>of with like eighteen with what it does one veteran,

1250
01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:20.199
<v Speaker 3>one singular veteran instead of eighteen different guys who shouldn't

1251
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:21.320
<v Speaker 3>be in the majors.

1252
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:24.320
<v Speaker 1>That is true, And Carlos Carasco is getting to choose this.

1253
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:28.960
<v Speaker 1>He's he has chosen this life. Yeah, so sure, you know,

1254
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:30.760
<v Speaker 1>and if he didn't choose this life, he would be

1255
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:37.519
<v Speaker 1>just retired because he's thirty nine, and it's just funny.

1256
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:40.519
<v Speaker 1>And also, like I know I've seen this argument online

1257
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember where, but like he shouldn't though, right,

1258
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Like this shouldn't work because somebody should be claiming Carlos Grasco.

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01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:51.920
<v Speaker 1>You would think the Cubs, who don't have any pictures,

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01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:55.119
<v Speaker 1>would just pick up Carrasco on one of these things. Uh,

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01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.920
<v Speaker 1>it's clearly just you know, backscratching going on here, right,

1262
01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:01.000
<v Speaker 1>because the Cubs would be a better team with Carlos

1263
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Carrasco than without.

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01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:03.840
<v Speaker 2>I think.

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01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:11.440
<v Speaker 1>He's a competent starter, he's a strong He's got a

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01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:13.360
<v Speaker 1>three six eight y right this year. I don't know,

1267
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:16.760
<v Speaker 1>like all right he is he is striking up three

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01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:17.519
<v Speaker 1>point seventy.

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01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's gonna keep keep keep scrolling right on the reference.

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01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:27.119
<v Speaker 1>He's also walked like one how many he has walked?

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01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:31.760
<v Speaker 1>One batter four two thirds in things. I don't know.

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01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:37.400
<v Speaker 1>It just feels like like there there are certain players

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01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:39.880
<v Speaker 1>that just keep passing through waivers that there are teams

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01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.239
<v Speaker 1>that would be improved. I don't know if Crasco is

1275
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:44.320
<v Speaker 1>this person, but I feel like you know, and this

1276
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:47.280
<v Speaker 1>has been true of baseball forever, right, Baseball has had

1277
01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:50.360
<v Speaker 1>gentleman's waivers for hundred years now. I guess it's just

1278
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:52.760
<v Speaker 1>more that it feels more weird for that to still

1279
01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:56.159
<v Speaker 1>exist in the hyper efficient modern era.

1280
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:58.320
<v Speaker 2>That we're in where gets claimed five times.

1281
01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't know it could. It's obviously it's

1282
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:05.599
<v Speaker 1>just me. So we'll go around the horn, which we

1283
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:07.039
<v Speaker 1>were already kind of around the horn. We're going to

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01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:09.400
<v Speaker 1>keep going around the horn. Were second trip around the horn.

1285
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Craig Countcil had a bad week or a bad day

1286
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:16.079
<v Speaker 1>a couple of days ago. He got ejected for arguing

1287
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:18.840
<v Speaker 1>about Pete Armstrong getting caught stealing on a walk.

1288
01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:23.159
<v Speaker 3>It was it was weird.

1289
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:27.239
<v Speaker 1>It was weird. So so everybody has a feeling about this.

1290
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Obviously counts out the feeling with this, and I'm curious

1291
01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:31.720
<v Speaker 1>what your guys are feeling about this. So essentially the

1292
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:36.039
<v Speaker 1>situation is that Armstrong Charmstrong started running on a three

1293
01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:40.279
<v Speaker 1>to two pitch. The picture was a ball. Armstrong slid

1294
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:42.800
<v Speaker 1>into the base, reached the base, the tag was applied,

1295
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.960
<v Speaker 1>he came off the base, and therefore he was out

1296
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:50.119
<v Speaker 1>because he had touched second with therefore finishing the freedom

1297
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:53.640
<v Speaker 1>of his walk. How do you feel.

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01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:57.079
<v Speaker 3>I think this is a spirit of the rule, letter

1299
01:08:57.119 --> 01:08:59.239
<v Speaker 3>of the rule thing, and they should just change the

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01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:01.520
<v Speaker 3>letter of the rule to match the spirit of the rule,

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01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:04.760
<v Speaker 3>which is you should only be eligible to be tagged

1302
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:08.159
<v Speaker 3>out in that situation, especially now with all of the

1303
01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:10.960
<v Speaker 3>like replay and challenge things that could happen. You should

1304
01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:14.079
<v Speaker 3>only be able to be tagged out in that situation

1305
01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:18.159
<v Speaker 3>if you actually make a move towards the space like

1306
01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:20.319
<v Speaker 3>it is at first, if you run through the face.

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01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:24.359
<v Speaker 3>That should be the it the way it is legislated.

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01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:26.720
<v Speaker 3>It's not, so, you know, the met's made a really

1309
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:31.880
<v Speaker 3>I guess astute if annoying challenge uh and one. But yeah,

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01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:33.000
<v Speaker 3>they need to change.

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01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:37.239
<v Speaker 2>The letter of the rule. Yeah, definitely, they need to

1312
01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:41.680
<v Speaker 2>completely like change the way they handle like once you

1313
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:45.640
<v Speaker 2>establish contact with the base. I think this is all

1314
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:47.680
<v Speaker 2>akin to the you know, the pop up side where.

1315
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:49.279
<v Speaker 1>You're focus of the transfer rule.

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01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah that yeah, like we can we can just yeah,

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01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:57.199
<v Speaker 2>just like we're like Rob Manford will shove anything else through,

1318
01:09:57.199 --> 01:09:59.760
<v Speaker 2>but he won't change, like you want to pace a play.

1319
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Stop having reviews at second base every time a guy

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01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:03.479
<v Speaker 2>can stop of a second.

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01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, got it, And we get to the playoffs and

1322
01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:09.000
<v Speaker 1>then like all of these things get ten times more

1323
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:13.239
<v Speaker 1>annoying than they already because they all matter, right, Yeah,

1324
01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:15.159
<v Speaker 1>I hate it. I personally hate it. I think you

1325
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:17.119
<v Speaker 1>should have to get up and start running.

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01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:19.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a num about get up and start running,

1327
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:21.560
<v Speaker 2>but you should have to like go past the bag.

1328
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I think, right, you should.

1329
01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:26.640
<v Speaker 1>You slide takes you entirely if.

1330
01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:28.600
<v Speaker 2>You try to do like the slide around it and

1331
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:30.560
<v Speaker 2>you like reach back with your hand and come off

1332
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.279
<v Speaker 2>like five. But like if you're just sliding into the

1333
01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:34.560
<v Speaker 2>base normally.

1334
01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't ever want to

1335
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:44.399
<v Speaker 1>have to use the replay camera to measure microns. So yeah,

1336
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Craig Council, you're right, you should have gotten mad dance

1337
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Pat Swanson uh got eleven RBI in one day.

1338
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:52.279
<v Speaker 2>That's why it didn't matter that Craig Council, or that.

1339
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:57.520
<v Speaker 1>He raised his OVP by like seventy points I think.

1340
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Sixty points in one day absolutely, which.

1341
01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:06.399
<v Speaker 1>Is an indictment on his previous ops. But Dancey Swanson's

1342
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:10.880
<v Speaker 1>thirty two he is like just on pace for another

1343
01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:13.000
<v Speaker 1>four and a half win season, like this is maybe

1344
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:15.920
<v Speaker 1>one of the most successful free agent contracts.

1345
01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:18.119
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, you still don't feel great about it.

1346
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Like defense, it's all defense, uh, and yet like he's

1347
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:25.720
<v Speaker 1>a league average hitter who like.

1348
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:28.279
<v Speaker 2>He's got a little he's the league average hitter. Now

1349
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:34.960
<v Speaker 2>he certainly wasn't.

1350
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:38.039
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like it's I it's weird. We're in year four,

1351
01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:41.800
<v Speaker 1>we're already more than we're exactly halfway. We're exactly halfway.

1352
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:43.399
<v Speaker 2>It's one of them, Like it's it's funny I have

1353
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:46.119
<v Speaker 2>talking about the Cubs like it's worked out fine, and

1354
01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:48.359
<v Speaker 2>also it just like wasn't enough when they did it,

1355
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Like they just like like they signed a shortstop for

1356
01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:58.520
<v Speaker 2>a one hundred and eighty million dollar contract and it's

1357
01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:01.119
<v Speaker 2>worked out pretty well, and it's just like hasn't really mattered.

1358
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah interesting. There's teams though, like there you know,

1359
01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:12.920
<v Speaker 1>just you know, imagine just not having to worry about

1360
01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:16.439
<v Speaker 1>shortstop for six years, right, Imagine the Tigers it's just

1361
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:18.319
<v Speaker 1>been like, Okay, we don't have to deal with this,

1362
01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:20.640
<v Speaker 1>just fest string hole in our lineup for the we

1363
01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:21.720
<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about.

1364
01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean they thought they did when they signed by it.

1365
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Was that class was that was dance as Bias.

1366
01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Bias was earlier.

1367
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:32.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it was Yeah, yeah, it.

1368
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Wasner Is like a deal but uh, you.

1369
01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah, Bias was during the first time the Tigers

1370
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:46.239
<v Speaker 1>thought they were at the end of the rebuild. Yeah,

1371
01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:49.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a while ago now, and yet it's still going

1372
01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:52.680
<v Speaker 1>another Carlos Santana has been dfaied for the first time

1373
01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:57.760
<v Speaker 1>in his career at the age of forty one. He

1374
01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:01.800
<v Speaker 1>gets traded sometimes, I don't only twice, but this is forty.

1375
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:03.399
<v Speaker 2>This year he signs a lot of one year free

1376
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:04.760
<v Speaker 2>agent d esopetally.

1377
01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Signs a lot of years, but he also like plays

1378
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:11.640
<v Speaker 1>him out right, usually remarkably healthy. This year he has

1379
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:14.119
<v Speaker 1>not been remarkably healthy. He only played eight games. He

1380
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:15.840
<v Speaker 1>was on the it was he on the sixty year

1381
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:18.760
<v Speaker 1>was only in the fifteen. Either way, he was injured

1382
01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:21.039
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. And the moment he stopped being injured,

1383
01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:23.720
<v Speaker 1>he's stopped being a baseball player because he was hitting

1384
01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:29.640
<v Speaker 1>eighty three before that happened. Uh, this is probably the

1385
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:34.039
<v Speaker 1>end for Carlos Santana, who had the thirty seven win career.

1386
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yep, he is wow.

1387
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Thirty eight point eight. But that that's you know, yeah, yeah,

1388
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:47.359
<v Speaker 1>and he belongs in the great pantheon of guys who

1389
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:51.319
<v Speaker 1>caught and you can barely remember them catching. Yeah, that's that's.

1390
01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:57.920
<v Speaker 2>A real credit to a career liked zeal Award. Yeah, yeah,

1391
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:00.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean Victor Martinez, who also had some similarity to

1392
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Carl Yeah after your same time.

1393
01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:09.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Aer, your Reba has decided to serve his suspension h.

1394
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:12.600
<v Speaker 2>The cross shopping they had like a month ago.

1395
01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Wow, did they waited him like three days in a row.

1396
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:18.720
<v Speaker 1>For four and four days out of five and then thought, okay,

1397
01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:24.960
<v Speaker 1>now I feel contrite. Yeah, I'm tired enough to apologize this.

1398
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:26.279
<v Speaker 1>This is some spirit of the law.

1399
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:29.439
<v Speaker 2>How does it take a month? Again? Like I feel

1400
01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:31.319
<v Speaker 2>like they usually trend these around a lot quicker.

1401
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:33.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah they forgot.

1402
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, maybe maybe they just forgot about it. We're

1403
01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:41.119
<v Speaker 1>hoping they never forget about it. Yeah, and then Linda

1404
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:41.560
<v Speaker 1>War's back.

1405
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll see how that works. Well, SOA is dealing

1406
01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:49.359
<v Speaker 2>with a back spasmma zone or oblique something.

1407
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:52.399
<v Speaker 1>So all right, So that's gonna move us on to

1408
01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a game. We're gonna play twenty grid Zach, are you

1409
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:56.279
<v Speaker 1>familiar with Trenty grid.

1410
01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:58.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what that is now, all right, so

1411
01:14:58.600 --> 01:14:59.159
<v Speaker 3>what this is?

1412
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:01.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna send this in to our group chat. Well,

1413
01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna send it our group chet, just put.

1414
01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:04.079
<v Speaker 2>It in the chat in here, Craig.

1415
01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:06.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. If I don't know, if I can pay,

1416
01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I can.

1417
01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Find you can just send it to me separately.

1418
01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:12.199
<v Speaker 1>I will just send it to you separately. So I'm

1419
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:14.359
<v Speaker 1>going to send this. This is a screenshot of immaculate

1420
01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:17.880
<v Speaker 1>grid from a while ago. And what's going to happen

1421
01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:19.439
<v Speaker 1>is that each of you are going to go into

1422
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the booth and you were going to guess the nine

1423
01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:23.880
<v Speaker 1>categories based on the three my three grid, but you

1424
01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:26.600
<v Speaker 1>are going to try to get the most popular answer.

1425
01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Whoever has the most popular answers out of nine wins.

1426
01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:36.159
<v Speaker 1>I will say this is a weird grid. It's a

1427
01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:38.760
<v Speaker 1>little more wide open because of that middle column. It

1428
01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:41.520
<v Speaker 1>will relate to the listeners here in a second. But

1429
01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I did get six out of nine when I did this,

1430
01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:47.079
<v Speaker 1>and I was very tired, so I think you guys

1431
01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:49.359
<v Speaker 1>can do it too, So we're gonna make exact to

1432
01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:52.159
<v Speaker 1>it first.

1433
01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, am I saying this out louder?

1434
01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:55.279
<v Speaker 1>So what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna read them out

1435
01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:57.760
<v Speaker 1>categories and then you just give me an answer. So

1436
01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:00.800
<v Speaker 1>what we're looking at are the column are the White

1437
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Sox having a ten home run season and having two

1438
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:06.640
<v Speaker 1>thousand plus strikeouts in a career, and you have to

1439
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:09.680
<v Speaker 1>have just played for that team at any point, I

1440
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:11.279
<v Speaker 1>think the season you have to have done it in

1441
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:13.760
<v Speaker 1>that uniform. For the career, you just have to have

1442
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:16.640
<v Speaker 1>worn their jersey once and then also had that career.

1443
01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:19.640
<v Speaker 1>And then on the Rose we've got the Twins, Braves

1444
01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:23.720
<v Speaker 1>and Padres so fir Zach who played? Who is the

1445
01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:26.000
<v Speaker 1>most popular player to play for both the Twins and

1446
01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:32.359
<v Speaker 1>White Sox? Jim Tony all right, next Twins and ten

1447
01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:33.880
<v Speaker 1>home runs in a season.

1448
01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:39.319
<v Speaker 3>Harder than you're auld thing? Harmon Killerbrew, Harmon killer Brew.

1449
01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, next Twins and two thousand plus strikeouts in a career.

1450
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:56.399
<v Speaker 3>Difficulty level impossible. I'll take Ooh, Johan Santana, did he

1451
01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:57.640
<v Speaker 3>make it? I don't think he did.

1452
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:00.319
<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna take that? We're gonna say it. It doesn't

1453
01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:06.399
<v Speaker 1>all right? Braves and White Sox. Chris Sale, Chris Sale,

1454
01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Braves and ten home run seasons. Hank Aaron Braves and

1455
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:13.359
<v Speaker 1>two thousand plus strikeouts.

1456
01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Uh, this is easier, but I'm still trying.

1457
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:20.720
<v Speaker 1>To put oh, by the way, on this grid.

1458
01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:23.880
<v Speaker 3>I think regularity of people will say Greg Maddox.

1459
01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:26.439
<v Speaker 1>Okay, on this grid you can use the same name

1460
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:31.239
<v Speaker 1>twice if you want, because things can. Although when you're

1461
01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:33.199
<v Speaker 1>doing most popular you know you gotta worry about it

1462
01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:37.119
<v Speaker 1>because the players can only do one. Yes, Padres and

1463
01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:37.720
<v Speaker 1>white sox.

1464
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:40.479
<v Speaker 3>This such a weird combination.

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<v Speaker 1>Jake Peve, Jake pv. All right, next we're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>Padres and ten plus home runs, Manny Machado and finally

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<v Speaker 1>Padres and two thousand plus strikeouts.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, Greg Maddox again, maybe okay, all right, that's all nine.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the fastest grid we have ever done. Jeff's

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01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.399
<v Speaker 1>not even looking up because you can't believe it's already over.

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<v Speaker 3>Do people usually expound on this for a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but but they aggon nice. These games often take

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of minutes. Here we go, all right, Jeff,

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01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:22.840
<v Speaker 1>the quickest grid ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I already even looked at it. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it fair.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine, all right. So the first category is twins

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<v Speaker 1>and white Sox.

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<v Speaker 2>Right off the bat with the air I do not

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<v Speaker 2>I do not like that. Jim Tomey al right.

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<v Speaker 1>Next is twins and ten home runs in a season.

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01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Christ Joe Mauer, Joe Mauer.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Next is twins and two thousand plus strikeouts

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<v Speaker 1>in a career.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think San Tanna got there, but like my

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<v Speaker 2>options get I don't think Brad Radkey got there either.

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<v Speaker 2>Burtly Loven, Burtlyleven, al right.

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01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Next is Braves and White Sox.

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<v Speaker 2>Braves and White Sox. I'll go with recency and say

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<v Speaker 2>Ronaldo Lopez, okay, sometimes to make the recent trade guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Braves and ten home run season, Hank Aaron, Yeah,

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01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:34.239
<v Speaker 1>you would think, wouldn't you. Next would be thankt with

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01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:36.520
<v Speaker 1>me Braves in two thousand plus home run or two

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01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:39.520
<v Speaker 1>thousand plus strikeouts. And this is when I reminded Zach

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01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:42.520
<v Speaker 1>that you can use the same name in multiple categories.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not gonna be Ronaldo Lopez.

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01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:55.720
<v Speaker 1>No, it's not. Ummm. Craig Maddox all right, Next is

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01:19:56.319 --> 01:19:57.479
<v Speaker 1>pod rais in White Sox.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like it's had a lot of crossover. I

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<v Speaker 2>did my recency once, so I don't want to do

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01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Lucas Gilido.

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01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:18.119
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if there's any category which Lucas Gelido wins.

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01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Like, gotta be one.

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01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Probably is there a fell apart after his divorce column?

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01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:37.840
<v Speaker 3>I had surgery column.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Tommy John, some pitch for the.

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01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Tommy John's really feels like it should be immaculate.

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<v Speaker 2>G recall it should be. Yeah, I just haven't. I

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01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:50.039
<v Speaker 2>guess technically now you have like the sleeve too, is

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<v Speaker 2>there the is that Tommy John?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What is Tommy John nowadays? Reconstruction two UCL reconstructions? H

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01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I can bip Roberts in my head. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't get bib Roberts out of my head. Uh yeah,

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01:21:07.239 --> 01:21:09.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll say you Lucas Jilia.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Next, let's go with the Padres and ten

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<v Speaker 1>home runs.

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<v Speaker 2>This is famously the team would like the lowest mm

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<v Speaker 2>hmm most career homers for that team. Manny Machiano, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And finally Padres in two thousand plus strikeouts.

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Maddox, okay, all right. I wanted to Kevin Brown,

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01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:45.279
<v Speaker 2>but Patrick teed it up for me, and I don't

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01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:46.000
<v Speaker 2>know if he's working me.

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<v Speaker 1>I might know, but I since I gave it to him,

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01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:49.880
<v Speaker 1>and I should have said it before it started. It

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<v Speaker 1>is both of us, yea, and to the point because

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<v Speaker 1>it is Greg Maddox. All right, so I'm going to

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01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:00.520
<v Speaker 1>put somebody in there for let's see, let's just put

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<v Speaker 1>in j PB so I can look at the answers,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. The answers are for the White Sox and Twins,

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<v Speaker 1>it is Jim Tomy. For the twins and ten home runs,

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<v Speaker 1>it is Kirby Pucket.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I almost said Kirby Pucket like that was

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<v Speaker 2>my first and think I'm like that.

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01:22:16.439 --> 01:22:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, maur and Killerbrew both got six percent of

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01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:21.039
<v Speaker 1>the boat Pucket gut eat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Next, for the twins and two thousand plus strikeouts, it

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<v Speaker 1>is Burt bly eleven, with forty score of anybody pitched

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<v Speaker 1>in my.

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<v Speaker 3>Head, but I didn't know if people would think of

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<v Speaker 3>him on the Twins.

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01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I certainly thought of Johan Santana first, but I

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01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:39.199
<v Speaker 1>did pick bly eleven because I was like.

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<v Speaker 2>I have two thousand k's. No, he does not, I

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01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:44.479
<v Speaker 2>didn't think. So who's second behind blyleven?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see, let me see if I can bring that up.

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01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, let's see, there were twelve total.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's not a lot very I'm not that older franchise.

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01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:00.520
<v Speaker 2>But also, oh man pulls up.

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01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:04.760
<v Speaker 1>I have to pull up the filter. Team Minnesota Twins

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01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:12.199
<v Speaker 1>get results. I am not a robot. I'm not logged in.

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01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:15.359
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well sorry, look it up yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, uh next, Chris Sale for the White Sox

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01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:23.960
<v Speaker 1>and Braves. You poke out that one, right He both

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01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:26.079
<v Speaker 1>said hangharon and soda and I then he only got

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01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:31.640
<v Speaker 1>four percent of the votes somehow, Uh Chipper Jones, I

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01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:35.279
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't know, guys, But the Braves in two

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01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:38.119
<v Speaker 1>thousand strikeouts, it is Greg Maddox for the White Sox

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01:23:38.199 --> 01:23:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and Potteries. You guys both missed on. The big trade

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01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:49.680
<v Speaker 1>is James Shields although uh PD had twelve, Gilda had two.

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<v Speaker 1>And because you missed out on it, that means you

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<v Speaker 1>did not have Frank Frnanda Tatis Junior in your mind

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<v Speaker 1>for the ten plus home runs. He was the lead

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01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:02.359
<v Speaker 1>on that one. And then Greg Mannix for Padres and Grapes.

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01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:05.000
<v Speaker 1>We are Padres in two thousand strikeouts, which means I

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<v Speaker 1>believe Jeff wins four to three. He had the two Maddoxes,

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01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:13.119
<v Speaker 1>the Bly eleven, the to May and Zach had to

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01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:17.359
<v Speaker 1>May Maddox Madi No. Four to four you guys tie fail, yeah,

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01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Sale and he didn't have Sale, all right, So congratulations

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<v Speaker 1>on failing to win. Both of you. We tied.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's appropriate with the World Cup, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, all right, So thank you once again. Thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>Zach for donating his time in wisdom with us today.

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful weekend ahead, And if you're waiting for the pod

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<v Speaker 1>all the story about vacancy moving over? How can my

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<v Speaker 1>most the fucking I would can be the answering the

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