WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:09.759 What? 3 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:15.519 What's gonna happen? What? 4 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:27.480 How do you folks? Your host J J. Vance here 5 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:32.240 back for another Fridays host of Operations GCD and perhaps 6 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:36.439 more notably not the Vice President, back from our Fridays 7 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:39.000 with my co host Nick from the Cult Rejects. Nick, Hey, doing, sir? 8 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:41.159 What is going on? So I'm doing well and. 9 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.640 Doing doing fantastic? What's going on with the Occult Rejects 10 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:48.799 this week? Anything you're working on, anything you've done this 11 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:50.439 week that's a fun and or exciting. 12 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:54.240 I was actually recording today finally the audio for Jacob 13 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.439 Bomb Shaw I'm doing on Jacob Bomb. So that should Yeah, 14 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:01.719 that should hopefully be done this weekend. Probably won't be 15 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:04.000 out for like a month and a half. But next 16 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.519 week I do have the first of many solo shows 17 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:08.799 coming out on Robert Flood. I did that on my 18 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:10.560 own that will be coming out next week. 19 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:14.159 And can you remind me here Jacob Bowman is besides 20 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:15.840 the sixteenth century occultiest fellow. 21 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.799 H Yeah, I mean that's really all. I'm covering him 22 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:22.120 on his his experience in the books that he wrote, 23 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:24.799 he did get like kind of like excommunicated from the 24 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:28.239 town that he was in because they they were extremely religious, 25 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:29.920 and they end up coming into, like I guess, a 26 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.760 copy of one of his books and they were like, Yo, 27 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:33.840 this shit's crazy. You gotta go. 28 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:38.000 It's heretical, right, and he had he cover his major 29 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:38.879 influence right on. 30 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.920 Ye yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's definitely interesting. It will 31 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:44.920 be a you know a lot of these solo shows 32 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:47.760 I'm doing too, they'll be like, fully, uh, you know, 33 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:49.519 there'll be images on the whole thing, So I mean 34 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:51.280 to watch it. You need not kind to get stuck 35 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:53.840 looking at my face the whole time. It's actually images 36 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.599 some of them, the books, engravings. But yeah, definitely check 37 00:01:57.599 --> 00:01:59.239 it out. Something new that I'm trying to do like 38 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:01.000 once a month at least, not twice. 39 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:04.879 That's awesome, that's good stuff. Now, who is this uh 40 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:06.799 George Floyd Fells who was the other guy? 41 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:07.719 Oh, Robert Flood. 42 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:09.879 George Floyd Robert rob. 43 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:12.800 Yeah, I covered him. He was really Uh he's another 44 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.280 one from like the early I think sixteen hundreds. Fuck, 45 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:18.360 I forgot already. I was real big on him. 46 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:18.599 One. 47 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:22.240 He was into alchemy. But this guy had books back 48 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.360 then where he was like drawing pictures of the eyes 49 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:28.000 and the brains, and he was talking about it amongst occultism. 50 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:29.840 So I wanted to like show that, like, you know, 51 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:32.039 you have somebody from back then even drawing eyes and 52 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:34.199 brains in their books going on about matching. 53 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:38.240 Yeah, I think that's I think that's a very fascinating 54 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:41.360 aspect you've identified there with all this knowledge of especially 55 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:44.759 deep knowledge of the anatomy and biology of stuff, you know, 56 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.080 with these within these occult circles at a time when 57 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:48.840 you know, you wonder where they got that from. 58 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:51.240 Right, Oh, that's what I'm getting at. It's like back then, 59 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.240 it's like unless there was some sort of technology that 60 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.080 we don't know of now that's real simple or something 61 00:02:57.080 --> 00:02:59.159 advanced that's just been hidden from us. But like, how 62 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:02.000 were they? I mean, listen, you can you could be honest, 63 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:03.719 you can cut somebody open and look at it. But 64 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:06.280 I mean certain things this guy was drawing detailed stuff 65 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.000 of the eyeballs that like we're just showing now with microscopes. 66 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:09.759 How did you do that? 67 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:09.960 Then? 68 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:11.919 Weird dude? 69 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:13.960 Crystals glass, Like what are you doing? 70 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:17.439 We got I just want to say, what's up there 71 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:21.520 to land and how you doing they're good, sir. We 72 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.280 uh we've had landing on our recent fridays. I'm always 73 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:26.719 uh interested in his you know, I'm always excited about 74 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:28.400 his interest in some of these older topics from a 75 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.400 younger generation, specifically some some stuff we're gonna get into 76 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:35.240 tonight with tonight's guests, you know, regarding some uh parapolitics 77 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.080 and I ran concert style activities, so and how that 78 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:40.000 kind of relates to them. But before we get quite there, 79 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:43.560 what what else you're working on? And aicle rejects. We 80 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:44.840 did a couple of shows this week, and I know 81 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:46.000 you dropped the Little one. 82 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:47.159 Yeah, we got to Greg Little. 83 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:51.400 Yeah, definitely Grecmand folks. Check out that one about if 84 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:53.439 you're interested in mounds, go listen to that one with 85 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:54.159 with Greg Little. 86 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:57.719 You know, it was funny. I normally don't ever get 87 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:00.680 like bad comments, and actually got one today people saying that, like, 88 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:03.120 our science is actually bullshit on that stuff. 89 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:05.680 Well tell him, I'm not a scientist. 90 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:09.159 First and foremost it's like, well, I don't know, would 91 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:11.479 you rather have a fantastical story instead of like, I 92 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:14.879 don't know whatever, But uh yeah, no banger of an episode. 93 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.240 I highly suggested I do just know tomorrow we will 94 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:21.680 be going live with right a lead talking about uh, 95 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.879 Virginia Guffrey, So that should be interesting. Yeah, we got 96 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:27.519 h next. 97 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:29.519 Week's done a good deep dive into that, right, the 98 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:32.279 whole issue on Virginia guy, not just her death, but 99 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:33.759 you know, her life basically. 100 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:37.560 Yeah, then we next weekend we have a Cassis and 101 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:40.720 the Tridactyl episode coming out. That was definitely an experience. 102 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:42.759 That's an exciting one. 103 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.480 Yeah, Unfortunately I did I did, I did edit out 104 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.639 his crying, and so I mean that's probably good. 105 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:51.839 That's probably good. I enjoyed that one and Rider Lee. 106 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.240 I always enjoyed conversations with Rider, the host of Raised 107 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:59.720 by Giants, who's we'll be on here again here in 108 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:04.079 the few, well on Fridays. But uh the uh oh 109 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:08.040 ancient alien cargo colts dude, He's definitely enjoy that conversation 110 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:09.879 with a man for sure, and again he does a 111 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:13.439 lot of other great work. But the uh uh what 112 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:15.959 was that all on? The occult rejects anything else up 113 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:16.680 coming next week? 114 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:19.639 Unfortunately, next week, a lot of the stuff I have, 115 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:21.160 I don't know if you were there, but next week 116 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:23.720 we do have the uh that weird and Paranormal is 117 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.600 Britney BARBERII. I'm sorry, I can't remember everybody that's been 118 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:28.079 on the shows that I do. I can't remember if 119 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:29.959 you I think you were on that one actually. 120 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:35.160 Too right, Yeah, great conversation folks told check out hell yeah. 121 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:36.800 Yeah yeah, well yeah, that is another thing. I mean. 122 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:38.920 We did have Greg Carwood on recently the Highest Slight 123 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.240 Chats this Monday, so if you haven't heard that, I 124 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:42.680 would definitely go back and check that out. It was 125 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:44.879 an awesome episode. It was pretty fucking cool. 126 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:49.240 Yes, sir, not to I appreciate, appreciate the comments there. 127 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:50.720 You have anything else for us? Their nick? 128 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.199 No, no, no, that's it. I just I see Lando 129 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:55.959 saying something about just hit trend for some of you boys. 130 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.720 Trying to master Ron was always my favorite. 131 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.079 You know, Land is a character I like good stuff. 132 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.639 But now so you know, before we get to our guests, 133 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:08.600 you're not to belabor the point. I appreciate your your 134 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:12.000 plugs there. I got to operation GCD Live Sundays, my 135 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.480 new Patreon show coming up on this Sunday, eight pm 136 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:19.279 Eastern time and every subsequent Sunday at eight pm Eastern time. 137 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:23.000 But I'm taking some deeper dives into some of the 138 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:25.680 true crime and high weirdness incidents that I've experienced in 139 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:29.120 my life, and that interests me most notably one I've 140 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:32.199 told I've you know, told this story a little bit 141 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.160 on numerous occult rejects, and it's the only thing you 142 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:37.000 can do is really try to make humor out of 143 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:39.759 a situation if you feel like you've been cursed by 144 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:43.240 handall for twelve plus years. But Robert the doll, that's 145 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:46.040 coming up on Sunday, So I'm gonna go into some 146 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.519 of the history behind that doll and my interactions with him, 147 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:50.920 and who else he's cursed in this damn world. But 148 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.879 and then we saw my old stalker friend turned seemingly 149 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:58.519 mind control assassiny Buffalo Jared Veza there on our you know, 150 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:02.279 as our normal intro. That'll be that'll be the subsequent 151 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:06.639 Sunday following Sunday, the legend of Buffalo Jared Visa. So 152 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:09.519 the fellow who demanded to be my pr rep and 153 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:11.560 would not take no for an answer and then later 154 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:15.600 went on a trans apocalypse multi state murder spree and 155 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.399 today his court cases. As we've gone over on previous 156 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:22.399 Fridays or seemingly not in public purview of the court systems, 157 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:26.079 and allegedly he sits today in the Bridgewater Mental Hospital 158 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:30.800 in Massachusetts awaiting letting it charges from murder to attempted 159 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.560 murders again multi state. But it's weird because the Bridgewater 160 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:37.600 Mental Hospital sits in the middle of the bridge, the 161 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:42.199 infamous Spooky Bridge. Not spooky, but you know, high weirdness 162 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.680 or you know spooky. I know I use spooky for 163 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:49.279 other terms, but you know, mystical Bridgewater Triangle if any 164 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.879 if folks are familiar with that, So to any further, 165 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.519 and I do apologize for flavoring the points thus far. 166 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:58.079 And I appreciate you waiting for us that, Sir Austin 167 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.160 way Pacard, welcome to Welcome to Fridays man. 168 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:04.680 I appreciate you guys for having me on, honestly, and 169 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:08.720 by the way, just I think it's it's very interesting 170 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:13.680 as far as it's kind of hilarious, how much. First 171 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.519 of all, just the Virginia Guffrey aspect. I'm excited to 172 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:18.920 hear what you guys have to say tomorrow for that interview, 173 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.600 because I'm very much skeptical at this moment, just as 174 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:25.360 far as some of the more recent information that's coming 175 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:29.439 forward and kind of like like victims advocates who have 176 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.399 come forward from Australia who have made some very interesting 177 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:37.000 statements claiming that that essentially Virginia was under this UH 178 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:40.240 she she had been beaten and hospitalized and was under 179 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:44.799 this protective order and had like had her her children 180 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.200 taken from her right at a certain point after a 181 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:52.639 share after she was essentially beaten and hospitalized, which is 182 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:55.799 just a crazy story. But this guy that she met, 183 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.159 I'm very interested to learn a little bit more about 184 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.639 him because he as like a background of being like 185 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:05.279 a I think he was what a martial arts trainer 186 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:08.360 I think as and she met him when she was 187 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:13.159 sent from I believe it was when Galaine and Jeffrey 188 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:17.879 sent her to UH to actually pick up a I 189 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:20.000 think it was in Thailand where she was picking up 190 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.879 a prostitute, and basically that is where she she effectively 191 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.639 met her husband, who saved her from the network allegedly, 192 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:31.679 which I don't know. I'm starting to question a lot 193 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.480 of this that that surrounded because what I'm realizing is 194 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.879 that it seems like in these networks, a lot of 195 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.879 the victims age out and based on based on the 196 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:48.000 statistic proclivities of the network and the enterprise at play, 197 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:53.639 and seemingly they are effectively pursuing all these various aspects 198 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:59.440 of what they can provide. Being like in terms of 199 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:05.039 the Dutroux case, there was an example of I believe 200 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.720 it was a Nico Lucas, isn't that her name? I 201 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:16.200 believe the victim who yeah, yes, yes, So she essentially 202 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:18.799 said that she was about to age out at eleven 203 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:23.120 years old and had been effectively written off to be 204 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:27.039 ritualistically murdered in a snuff film that would then be 205 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.840 distributed through the enterprise. And so this is just again 206 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:35.679 an aspect of how these networks are facilitated and operate, 207 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.600 and they utilize these victims to procure other children. But 208 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:44.440 there are very interesting aspects of like I think essentially 209 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:48.360 her her the way she described it was that someone 210 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:52.039 one of the one of the predators within the network 211 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:54.840 seemed to take a liking to her and so effectively 212 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:58.720 attempted to protect her and set her up with here's 213 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:03.399 how here are the stage as you take to survive 214 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:08.159 and get out of this network alive basically, and so 215 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:11.960 she was then prostituted and uh and went to even 216 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.679 claim to have gone to a mind control facility where 217 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:19.320 she an institution where she she was potentially they utilized 218 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:21.960 mind control techniques on her. So I just found all 219 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.039 of that very interesting, as far as her very first 220 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.519 interview when she came forward and went public, that was 221 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.320 all of her claims, and she seemed very credible. And 222 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.879 many of these victims, like they obviously as far as 223 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:40.039 victim witnesses, they struggle to readapt and I mean many 224 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:44.759 of them don't. Yeah, and it's it's very tragic to witness. 225 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:50.200 But to see any of these people actually make something 226 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.440 out of their lives and then attempt to come forward 227 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:55.960 in some sort of coherent fashion and and make a 228 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.879 case with with some at least what seemed to be 229 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:04.720 credible allegations, right, that are somewhat cooperated, then you have to, 230 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:09.159 you know, take pause and and really just reflect on 231 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.399 a lot of the details that because obviously you guys 232 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.919 are already under the impression that the vast majority of 233 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.720 these official narratives surrounding the scandals. 234 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.799 Yeah, I just saw bullshit, right, It's all bullshit. 235 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:24.840 Deliberate deception. 236 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:28.360 Yeah, that's part of the show to the public public, 237 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:32.240 you know, uh, discourse to discuss these things. We're limited 238 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.159 to what you know. Often times we're limited to these 239 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.679 subjects with Epstein, like oh, where's the client list? And 240 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:40.480 I'm asking things like what was he doing competing against 241 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:43.759 Peter Deal and funding different AI projects? Of what's that about? 242 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:45.799 You know what I mean? No one's asking that question, right, 243 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.879 So you know, I appreciate, I appreciate your spot on. 244 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:50.639 I couldn't agree with you more on your assessment there. 245 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:52.879 That's why I was excited to have you on here 246 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:55.639 this evening. They're also to discuss some of these matters, 247 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.039 so I certainly enjoy your opinion, and you're getting some 248 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.559 accolades from the chat here. Zax Salvatore said, you know, 249 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:05.240 you're you know, Watergate is going to Stephen Recklear Snyder 250 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.080 levels and they're pumped. So I'm gonna have to put you, Zach, 251 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:11.279 Zach's common put that to the test here because reckless, good, 252 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:13.360 good dude of mine, and uh, We've had a lot 253 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:15.919 of conversations on Watergate and all sorts of these matters, 254 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.799 you know, over various pots of coffee and various positive. 255 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.639 You think John Dean ordered the second break in to 256 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.159 to essentially find out if uh you know his wife 257 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:33.519 Maureen moe Bi Nardine, who was personal friends with Heidie Reichen, 258 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.200 who ran the Columbia Plaza, a prostitution operation that was 259 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:38.960 set up the pipeline that was set up to the 260 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:44.279 d n C Watergate complex. Apparently, uh that there was 261 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.480 basically through this very interesting uh Phil mack and Bailey 262 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.480 was an attorney who was working like local vice essentially 263 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:53.480 in a way where he was just all his clients 264 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:56.480 were prostitutes in d C. Right, and and he had 265 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:00.679 his uh he had his essentially he had his law 266 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:05.360 law offices raided and and by the Feds, and his 267 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.799 client list and his his address book was revealed. 268 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:11.240 Sounds like the DC Madamins. And it's very cricularly some 269 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:12.279 are similar, inn't it. 270 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:17.320 And John Deane one of the uh you know key 271 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:20.039 he's like a twenty twenty six, twenty eight year old 272 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.080 uh you know, white White House advisor for the president 273 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.840 and an attorney who had basically made his name by 274 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:30.039 by targeting and prioritizing. 275 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:30.759 Uh. 276 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:35.519 These these dissenting anti war advocates at the time, right, 277 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:40.000 who were are dissenting against an opposition to to the 278 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:43.879 Vietnam War, which is also insane because there's there's an 279 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:47.279 interesting story about Carl Schoffler, who was the arresting officer 280 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:50.360 at the Watergate that night, who was just waiting outside 281 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:55.200 at two am, just happened to be waiting there, had all. Yeah, 282 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:59.200 he had dual loyalty to military intelligence, and he had 283 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:03.240 a criminal and mormant that he was utilizing named Robert Merritt, 284 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:05.919 I believe was his name, And he later on tried 285 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:07.840 to write a book and went public with a lot 286 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.440 of these claims saying that he was actually that he 287 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:15.000 was actually tasked by the intelligence community who were utilizing 288 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:20.240 Carl Schoffler, who had dual loyalty to military intelligence, that 289 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.519 they were going to prioritize and target Douglas Caddy, who 290 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:29.759 was personal friends with Howard hunt Right Burglars and worked 291 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:34.960 for Mullan in Company. I may interject, well the Office 292 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.559 of Security as well with with Richard Helms, but I 293 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:38.399 think that he was. 294 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:40.279 On paper what he did he work for that was 295 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:44.600 he was a calling sure was the Mullen Company and 296 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:46.600 Robert Mullan, by the way, very strange. 297 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:51.200 His story tied in with the Mormon Church which we've. 298 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:53.000 Covered a little bit of this on Cult Rejects Mormon 299 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:57.080 Mafia series of Do you know how he loved Yeah, yeah, 300 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:59.639 I do. Actually yeah, I'm a former Mormon also, so 301 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:02.120 was high. But you know, maybe we'll have to convene 302 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:03.519 on some of these matters because he he's got a 303 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.519 great understanding of these things as well. So Bob Bennett was, 304 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:08.679 you know, the fellow that was his father was the 305 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:11.320 US sender at the time, and he was the one 306 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.039 running that Mullen company and was told you know, I'm 307 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:16.120 sure you know, but for the folks of the interwebs, 308 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:19.360 the Watergate Commission told young Mormon Bob Bennett. You know, 309 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:21.600 this is before he was the US endor for decades. 310 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:24.879 I think this would disqualify him. You know, they told him, 311 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:27.000 they said they found out that Mullen and Company was 312 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:31.120 a CIA Mormon front company and that and that they 313 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:32.720 told him to shut it down. They said that was 314 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:35.000 a result of probably one of the few results of 315 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:38.279 the Watergate Commission was shut it down. Now another one 316 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:41.279 that often gets bandied about as a win in the 317 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:43.799 conspiracy culture community out of that same thing, and kind 318 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:45.440 of relative to some of the topics i'd liket to 319 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:50.360 dive into tonight is uh the opera Operation Midnight Climax 320 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:52.960 and how that kind of came about during the Rockefeller hearings, 321 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:57.240 you know, distant relations. But there was an Inspector General 322 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.679 of the CIA named John kay Vance. He was the 323 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:05.200 quote unquote whistleblower. Now, you know, we only know about 324 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:08.640 one small little you know, operation in one in one 325 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:11.559 you know row House and the hate and Ashbury. But 326 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.559 you know that's allegedly the tale. That's what I'm saying, like, 327 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.119 are you really a whistleblower? You know, we don't really 328 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.480 understand the depth of what really went on within these 329 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:24.319 kind of experiments like that, within the it started within 330 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:26.680 the Summer of Love out there in sixty seven, which 331 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:29.000 is where the process comes in the night. Where I 332 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:31.240 would like to, you know, kind of start off on 333 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:32.720 some of that, like I said, and get into some 334 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:35.839 of these how it affects us today with these military 335 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:40.599 intelligence operations and these seemingly Operation Gladio come Home type situations. 336 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.720 But before getting further, I wanted to make sure I 337 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:49.200 gave you an opportunity to introduce yourself podcasts. Right now, 338 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:54.480 You're good the gates. Make sure we get we get 339 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:56.720 that out of the way. That's because folks, may you know, 340 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:58.759 I don't know you've been a guest on next show 341 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:00.440 before either, so you know there may be some folks 342 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.319 are off to work. 343 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.640 Yeah, appreciate you man. So yeah, I'm very bad about 344 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:09.119 doing any real plugs. I did forget that. But uh again, 345 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:13.200 it's just who I kind of am. We call the 346 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:17.160 fans Schitzo Bros. Basically it's essentially our collection of like 347 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:21.400 minded individuals who show up in the chat. But but yeah, 348 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:25.000 basically I'm Austin Piccard. I run the Underclass podcast. Right 349 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:28.759 I started it, It's still very much seems new to me. 350 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:32.000 It's all very seemingly in its infancy as well at 351 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:35.079 this time, I feel like, because I only started this 352 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:38.119 in April of twenty twenty three, right, so it's still 353 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:40.720 very new at this at this moment for me. But 354 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:43.839 at the same time, I feel like I was just 355 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:47.039 kind of overexposed for so long to such an extent 356 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:51.279 with a lot of my consumption of alternative media and 357 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:54.279 then also just leading me down different rabbit rabbit holes 358 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:58.039 where I would where I would effectively well, really, I 359 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:02.400 was drawn to create the Class podcast because I became 360 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:07.119 entirely disillusioned and disenfranchised by by the current structured system, 361 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.720 and I'm philosophically opposed to the state in general. That's 362 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.960 just kind of how I feel personally. In every facet, 363 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:16.839 I tried to opt out as much as possible. I 364 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:21.519 think we've all been very much conditioned to embrace, uh, 365 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:24.119 you know, to fall in line with the permanent establishment 366 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:28.160 at every level. And I think that, yeah, that I'm 367 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:32.119 very grateful that I have this tendency and inherent instinct 368 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:35.960 to to reject authority, which just led me down kind 369 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:40.119 of a a path where I endured a few consequences 370 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:43.920 at the beginning of right when just uh, let's say, 371 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.400 in my youth. More as far as I've kind I 372 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:53.480 kind of had to learn through just some people have 373 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:57.640 to learn the hard way, yeah, exactly. And and and 374 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.880 for me, I always push the boundary. I tried to 375 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:03.359 see what what I could and could not get away with. 376 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:05.680 And also I had a definite. 377 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:07.720 There awsoin I mean, how else do you know your 378 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:08.559 own limitations? 379 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:13.440 Exactly? Yeah, and uh yeah, put me into I definitely 380 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:16.960 backed myself into a few different corners that but again, 381 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.559 that's how you learn. I feel and grow, and so 382 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:24.200 I'm I'm I'm definitely I appreciate the fact that that 383 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:27.720 I was able to reflect on my decisions that and 384 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:30.559 what the bad decisions I had made and kind of 385 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:35.440 readjust my path and my philosophy on life, and and 386 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:39.839 that led me into kind of, yeah, trying to restructure 387 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:44.680 and reflect on what my true ideological framework was and 388 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:47.960 the core principles and values that I wanted to uphold. 389 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:53.079 And so then I was kind of awesome. Man, if 390 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:55.839 I might ask Alston, how old are you? Thirty thirty two, 391 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:59.039 I'm thirty three? Yeah, thirty three old? Damn it. I 392 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:03.079 was pretty close. You're but yeah, you're dude, You're far 393 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:04.440 wiser than most of your peers. 394 00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:06.000 Thank you, brother. 395 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:09.359 I appreciate that. I you know, I think I think 396 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:11.200 the way you're just describing how you he got into 397 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:13.400 your podcast, I'm not sure, you know. I'm just my 398 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.759 assessment of conversations with Nick how he and I both 399 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:18.759 you're sharing how he and I both got into a podcasting, 400 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:22.200 you know, more so offline, but having these discussions. But 401 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:23.799 it sounds, you know, it sounds very similar to what 402 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:26.160 you're describing. That's certainly how I feel about how I 403 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:28.920 kind of got into the podcasting here certainly wasn't it 404 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:31.160 wasn't anything but necessarily really playing to other than I 405 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:32.640 need to get some of these ideas out of my 406 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:34.279 brain hole. I got too many ideas I'd. 407 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:35.559 Like to, you know, you try to share some of 408 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:36.599 these ideas with folks. 409 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:38.839 In your life that you know already family or friends 410 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.559 from other coworkers are like, what's wrong with you? Now, 411 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:44.519 I'm not talking about Nazis. Want to talk about Nazis 412 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:47.400 and Satanism. No, it's a process, dude, it's not. They're 413 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.759 both Nazis and Satanism. Like, oh, here we go, now 414 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:54.079 we're doing Nazis and Satanists. You're exactly Yeah, that's way 415 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:54.559 too much. 416 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.920 Yeah, and uh worse than that, you start to question 417 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:03.200 or you know, throw out potential realities of Hitler being 418 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:06.440 a mind controlled gay prostitute in Vienna in nineteen oh seventh, 419 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.680 nineteen fourteen, which is just so funny. 420 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:13.240 It's the molder. Then he goes into military intelligence, you know, 421 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:15.319 I mean, against the same kind of old we're describing 422 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:17.599 here in large part when when at least when I 423 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:20.319 reference things like the process, I mean, I kind of 424 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:22.400 what you're describing kind of fits the mold is what 425 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:24.599 I'm thinking how I describe those things, and that is 426 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:27.839 more or less the pros I mean literally the process 427 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:31.279 in which to do hood rat shit military intelligence style. Right, 428 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:33.480 So you build a framework up or satanism or something 429 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:35.759 like that, which is the later iteration I suppose, But 430 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:39.039 who knows what their framework was back in the Hitler 431 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:42.200 Hooker days, right, But nonetheless it seems to be that's 432 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:44.559 you build a framework, you do hood rat shit underneath 433 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:47.240 this guy's of military intelligence operations of anyone asked, but no, 434 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:50.319 I need military intelligence. Them were Satanists, right or not? 435 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:55.440 It seemed like the tool society utilizing these the you know, 436 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.720 it's like areosophy was was a part of the occult 437 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:01.799 ideology that they were apparently utilizing, which a lot of it, 438 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:06.839 uh stemmed back to Helena Blovatsky, right, And. 439 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:08.920 And yeah, so I'm glad you said that. So And 440 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:11.799 in reference to Tomorrow's conversation with Ryder Lee, I didn't 441 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:14.440 want to spoil alert on his work, but he he 442 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:16.160 kind of looks the way you were describing that. He 443 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:18.240 kind of. I was on the show last week. We 444 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:21.480 briefly discussed it. He kind of viewsed this Virginia Goofray 445 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:24.640 situation or giufray and she never really left that system 446 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:26.279 that you were describing. She was born into and this 447 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:28.519 her husband was a handler. So he's done a lot 448 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:30.640 of on that theory. He's done a lot of work there. 449 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:31.680 So I don't want to you know, I want to 450 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:34.319 blow up, blow up a spot. But he's again, he's 451 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:35.720 done some great stuff. And I'll be on the Occult 452 00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:40.160 Rejects tomorrow. But you know, in regards to theosophy, he 453 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.039 and I do a lot of One of my favorite 454 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:46.039 topics on Operation GCD is ancient alien cargo cults, and 455 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:49.039 turns out all these Satans organizations are also as a 456 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.279 result of being Theelamites seemed to fall in that category. 457 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.279 You know, the process had their their watchers right as 458 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.079 Timothy while he described him these disembodied you know, spirits, 459 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:02.160 that rexternal to earth type of deal. So different. 460 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:15.400 Yeah, I think like Lavatsky people like and Thelamites or ot. Yeah, 461 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.680 just from my my opinion, just from you know, looking 462 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.000 at Crowley stuff as much as he you studied it, 463 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.680 I think, by opinion, I do think a lot of 464 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:32.839 that UFO bullshit is is is done by occultists especially Oh, that's. 465 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:37.759 Just John is a great example of that to exhibit 466 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:39.279 that point here in modern times. 467 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:41.519 That's another one, and that's an A. Peter Lavenda works 468 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:43.960 with him, and he's in the O T O there 469 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:46.640 you go. I mean, there's videos of him actually in rituals, 470 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:49.240 so I'm not even making that he's the one who 471 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:50.359 came up with the term U A P. 472 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:53.119 You know, he's the one who's behind the tow the 473 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:56.000 Stars Academy with Tom DeLong and Peter Lavenda. He's been 474 00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:58.680 running the d n C since they offer what's his name, 475 00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:01.799 Vince Falster back in ninety four or whatever. He sees 476 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:03.839 power in the White House Legal Council Office at that 477 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:06.839 point and he's been running it ever since. So you know, 478 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:08.839 he's clearly the cultist. And you can even find him 479 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:11.440 on ancient aliens. So you know, these things are what 480 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.160 we're describing, is you know, it seems pretty apparent when 481 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:15.079 you look at all the details. 482 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:19.519 Yeah, absolutely, and I think that, you know, knowing Alan 483 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:23.000 Dulls and the psychological operation aspect of what they attempted 484 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:26.599 to achieve within the framework of the UAP phenomena, the 485 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:31.880 well Ufo phenomena. But essentially to me, there was mk 486 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:36.839 ultraw was a huge aspect of introducing this kind of 487 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:42.480 new age doctrine, esoteric ideology into the into the framework 488 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:45.759 of where I think that I don't know what you're 489 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:49.640 what you're understanding are kind of like belief is as 490 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:52.920 far as like the what seems to be there seems 491 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:55.440 to be this strange ocult framework where they're attempting to 492 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.680 usher in the aon of Horace or the age of Aquarius. 493 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:01.200 So they have all these various names for you know, 494 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:04.519 this this rebirth, this occult rebirth that's attempting to happen. 495 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:08.759 Yeah, that's that's that seems to be the kind of 496 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:12.359 the overarching project. They are all all these various seemingly 497 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.720 disparate groups are collectively working on together. And I like 498 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:17.960 to joke around, since they're ancient only your cargo cults, 499 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:20.799 they're gonna one day come together like Voltron and hopefully 500 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:22.680 blast off of this planet because I'm sick and tired 501 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:23.680 of these books for these folks. 502 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:27.920 Oh yeah, no doubt man, and uh kool aid, and. 503 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:32.079 I know that. 504 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:36.480 Uh the way that I kind of came across the process. 505 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:39.599 Was it was so I'm glad you read them on. 506 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:44.000 It was an interesting kind of slow burn that led 507 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:47.799 me into that direction, which which began with really jonestown, 508 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:51.519 I think, uh more than than anything, because that's what 509 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:55.759 kind of made me question, uh, the the Warren Commission, 510 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:59.200 as far as like the the uh these this alleged 511 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:02.880 false discloses, sure that which basically seemed to take place 512 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:04.759 in my mind as far. 513 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.960 As wmitted to hang out kind of disclosure right exactly. 514 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.599 We're intended to believe that that this was a government 515 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:17.960 accountability and and and that they effectively ended and uh 516 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:23.599 and obviously ended these programs in Cleindestine programs afterward. But clearly, 517 00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:27.960 right in my mind, that actually transpired, right and. 518 00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:29.880 Right now, that's that's a great point. It's and I 519 00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:31.400 was just gonna say, it's kind of like the the 520 00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:35.920 propagame and narrative from every book published about about the process, 521 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.559 every documentary made about the process. The process Church, you know, 522 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:44.319 disbanded in nineteen seventy four exactly when you know, you 523 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:45.799 know just as well as I do from looking at 524 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.799 the actual details, that's a false narrative. First of all, 525 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:51.400 they still have the same corporate entity today that they 526 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:54.440 started when they incorporated in America in nineteen sixty eight, 527 00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:56.640 which we can get into that, into that narrative. I 528 00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:58.440 think there's a lot to be said about that stuff 529 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:01.279 with that incorporation. But yeah, I know you're you're, you're 530 00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:03.319 spot on with it the way these things are are sold, 531 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.880 even in conspiracy culture. So it was one of the 532 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.400 things I was excited to have this conversation about because 533 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:11.680 you know, you know, ten fifteen years ago, the only 534 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:14.559 person talking about and he he hates me so, but 535 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.079 I'm still gonna give him credit. The only person talking 536 00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:21.480 about the process was Ed Opperman, Right, Yeah, the last 537 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:22.920 time I brought his name on here, I got to 538 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.079 the email. Hey, I gave you nothing, but I commended 539 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.039 your work. I don't know, I talk about you, but 540 00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.200 so I don't know what's going on there. But nonetheless 541 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:32.240 I still enjoy his you know, the fact that he's 542 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:33.559 got to you know, he has these old shows. 543 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:35.680 That's the same way I found of the process too. 544 00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:38.759 That's you. I heard that and then and then I 545 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.359 you know, years later I got into podcasting, really didn't 546 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.319 remember it. And honestly, if it wasn't like for you 547 00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:44.960 and Dan, I wouldn't have known jack shit about the 548 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.920 Process church again because like you were saying before, nobody's 549 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:49.960 really talking about it. 550 00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:51.240 Now, it's talking about. 551 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:52.839 It or not in depth. You'll hear about it, but 552 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:54.759 nothing like what you guys do. 553 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:57.519 Yeah, and did some great interviews with like some folks 554 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.799 that were there, like Gim detective Jim Rawls, Like the 555 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.400 folks will definitely go check those out again. I committed 556 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:04.759 them last time, so I hope I don't get a 557 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:10.039 nice email for committing him this time. But the again, 558 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:11.319 I like it. I don't you know, I don't know, 559 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:17.279 so you know, the rejects like folks to check out 560 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.400 Jim Ralstein for sure. This is the dude who is 561 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.000 the he invented being a vice cop. He's at the 562 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:24.200 he's kind of at the epicenter of all the activity 563 00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:25.599 that leads up to what we know is the son 564 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:27.720 of Sam Era of the these coult activities, right, but 565 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.920 he's he was onto it beforehand. So and Ralstein ain't 566 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:32.599 the only one on there that he does interviews with, 567 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:35.720 So definitely check out the historical record there. I enjoyed 568 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:40.519 your you did a process show last year, maybe I 569 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.680 checked it out recently you went. You did a great 570 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:44.680 summary and a lot of the Ed Sanders work I 571 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:46.680 saw in there from the family, which is a big 572 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:48.119 fan of his work, so it's good. 573 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.839 Connection to Charles Manson was just like the extraordinary stuff, 574 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.640 you know, yeah, especially that you have these these members 575 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.400 of of the Process that are going in actually meeting 576 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.880 with with Manson and then coming out on the other 577 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.200 end with an issue for Process magazine right called the 578 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:11.160 death issue. And and then what they they met with 579 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.119 what's his name that that wrote that ridiculous book? And 580 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:21.000 then uh uh and then Tom O'Neill had a run 581 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:25.039 in with him. Ah what was the name? Uh uh. 582 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:26.519 It's escaping me right now. 583 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:29.799 But anyway, still he he, Well, I think that's what 584 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:31.519 you rering up some good points with Tom O'Neil, and 585 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:33.279 this kind of narrative of how these things are still 586 00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.599 not being described properly. So to that point, I you know, folks, 587 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.440 wuch I got historical stuff. I highly recommend at Opperman's 588 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.119 work on his Opperman Report. But like I said, if 589 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:43.960 you want to, you know, an updated stuff, I think 590 00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:45.319 you did a great job. I know Dana, I know 591 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.599 folks are familiar with Dana and Dodo All Rodney Jewels. 592 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:48.039 She does. 593 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.279 You know, her her team do some spectacular work on 594 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:53.799 documenting a lot of these things. So like, you know, 595 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.279 she's done a great job of finding a lot of 596 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.200 the the piecing together a lot of these things. But 597 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:01.440 to the point of aren't being discussed right. You know, 598 00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:04.240 you have Tom O'Neill. He publishes a book that takes 599 00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.960 him twenty years on Charles Manson, he does not include 600 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.599 the process. Are you kidding me? Also, well, it took years, 601 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.160 three years he couldn't find the process in there. 602 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.160 Yeah, now that that honestly, we we know what a 603 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:20.720 limited hangout looks like. And h in my mind, it's 604 00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:23.880 it's it just seems, yeah, Dana's she. I do believe 605 00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:26.799 she's effectively the gold standard on the process right now 606 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.440 in the alternative media landscape because she's really, at the 607 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:34.000 very least she's she's prioritizing it and effectively spotlighting it 608 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.960 in the best way. And I appreciate that much. And 609 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.720 and but I always like, I just consistently seem to 610 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:46.880 rediscover the process, and every when when I'm really just going, yeah, 611 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:53.039 researching what I thought to be unrelated cases, and then 612 00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:55.799 all of a sudden there's this this very credible threat 613 00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:58.480 of evidence proving that there's a local chapter of the 614 00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:00.920 process that is a fel he did with the case 615 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:04.400 in a in a very real, tangible level, and and 616 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:05.640 you it's undeniab. 617 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.720 This is this the is this the doctor the Jeffer 618 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.559 McDonald case referring to it sounds absolutely. 619 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:14.400 Doctor Jeffery McDonald was the first one that well beyond 620 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:18.240 David Berkwitz obviously was doctor Jeffer McDonald. The Fort Bragg 621 00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:22.920 murders just was an extraordinary case that I stumbled upon. 622 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.759 And and by the way, yeah, ed Ed Opperman, he 623 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:34.000 he interviewed Jeffery McDonald's current wife, right, who Yeah, who who? 624 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.519 Based? Yeah, I think that's great. I'm actually gonna send 625 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:39.480 clips of this that ab and just just you know, 626 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:42.279 I'm committing I'm still again. I hope I'll get a 627 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:44.599 nasty message in return. But everybody don't want anyone else 628 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.200 to send him me commending him. I wanted at least 629 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:47.880 me to send it to him, but no, he does. 630 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.480 That's what I'm saying. Even today, he's doing interviews with 631 00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:53.200 with current cases where Jeffery McDonald's rotting away in prison, 632 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:56.519 still today over these matters before we get dive in 633 00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.839 further there, if I may interject terror Jackson here with 634 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.240 like your description of what is the process, they're also 635 00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:04.960 a process. Yeah. 636 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.920 So obviously you have to consider the fact that who 637 00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:11.799 founded the process was Robert de Grimston and Mary M. MacLean, 638 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:16.440 who are very much affiliated with scientology, and so I 639 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:20.400 think just knowing the fact that they were personal friends 640 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:26.119 with obviously with l Ron Hubbard, who I believe is 641 00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:32.039 definitely affiliated with intelligence, if not a direct intelligence operative. 642 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.000 And uh, and I think I like to say it 643 00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:36.680 kind of comes out of O and I network when 644 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.839 we're talking about these warring factions of intelligence agencies. You know, 645 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:41.839 he's got that kind of and I background, right. 646 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.920 Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, Office of Naval Intelligence. It's typical more 647 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.119 than within the context of a lot of these cases. 648 00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:50.200 And by the way, that just came up recently in 649 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:54.079 terms of Waco, which blew my mind. I couldn't believe it. 650 00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:59.359 I didn't off your description. I do apologize, but yeah, 651 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.279 I think that is a it's an important factor when 652 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:05.319 we're considering these feuding I call them lack of intelligence satancies. 653 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.559 But you know, I think that it plays into because 654 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.679 they do operate into this these could you know spheres 655 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.000 like you're describing me. That's the origin of you know, 656 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.320 what's going on here. But yeah, apologize to continue. 657 00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:18.639 Oh no, you're good. I just I do think that 658 00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:22.039 the philosophy of the process is very interesting because again 659 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.239 it's like you you consider the fact that you have 660 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:28.119 like these three different these these three separate gods that 661 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:32.400 are represented, and also you you have these uh subgroups 662 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:36.639 like the Jehovah's uh, you have the Luciferians, you know, 663 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.239 and and you have which are It's very interesting the 664 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.480 difference within the context of what they represented, right, because 665 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.639 the Jehovahs were more of the Puritans of the sect 666 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.400 according to Moritary, which that you know, dropped. 667 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.039 In their ordinances to like life and you know everything. 668 00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:57.639 They're not like the the freaky Satanists, right exactly exactly. 669 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:01.800 And the Luciferians in contrast us where they they were 670 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:05.880 basically a lot more involved with sex magic and and 671 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.360 sex rituals, and so they they viewed they advocated sensuality 672 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.320 and tranquility and and uh like druggle and do storagies 673 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.599 is essentially what they were embracing, a free use of narcotics. 674 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.480 And so then you have the Satanists who clearly you 675 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.280 know they they were attempting devil worship in every way, 676 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:30.760 ritualistic sacrifice, animal sacrifice and uh. And so I think 677 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.480 that that alone, when you look you view it the 678 00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.719 kind of the philosophy of the processes and how they 679 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:40.000 could move up and down this ladder and embrace which 680 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:43.880 subset of the ideology that they that they u uh 681 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:49.480 really just they had a kind of this internal proclivity 682 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:53.599 to to to it was more appealing to them. They 683 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.000 but also consider that this is more of like a 684 00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:01.119 doomsday cult as far as the way that they would 685 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:05.880 imbue this philosophy into the the acolytes, because they were talking. 686 00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.719 About the acolytes being their actual term right for some 687 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:09.239 of their members. 688 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:13.480 Yeah, absolutely, And the gray forces of moderation was a 689 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.119 very interesting aspect of something that they would that they 690 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:18.840 would discuss, but it was it was strange to me 691 00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:24.280 because obviously you have these different branches that would would 692 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:28.440 effectively converge for the final judgment which would mark the 693 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:30.679 end of the world, and so that that was the 694 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:35.159 doomsday come together like Voltron right, Yeah, which again it's like, uh, 695 00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.679 you know, with the Order of the Solar Temple is 696 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.480 very interesting to me because they they had this philosophy 697 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:44.000 of a final transit to the star Sirius, and they 698 00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:44.800 had these. 699 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:48.760 These always serious man, it's always serious every freaking time. 700 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.639 That so serious, but. 701 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.119 It is it's fascinating stuff because they would have these 702 00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.719 ascended elders that that would come down in the ots 703 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.960 and a parent only they were utilizing. They actually had 704 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.239 like a Hollywood special effects producer who was who was 705 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.320 who was one of the right hand men of Joseph 706 00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:12.440 de Maambro and was behind the scenes behind a curtain 707 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.719 like producing these special effects. So the members who had 708 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.559 just taken uh some form of of LSD or or 709 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:24.519 something of Yeah, so they were and then and then 710 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:29.599 actually witness uh like a hologram. It was like Tupacs hologram, 711 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.079 but in the eighties it was yeah, yeah, yeah, it. 712 00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:36.119 Was definitely uh magic like even the magician pulling the 713 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:37.440 rabbit out of the hat stuff. 714 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.000 Going on exactly. Yeah, and and uh, you know, even 715 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.480 Princess Grace Kelly was effectively tied in with the ots 716 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.800 and I didn't realize that she had been like initiated 717 00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:52.679 through a sex ritual where they like used these what's 718 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:56.760 it called where where the the uh where they put 719 00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:01.199 the needles in the points in uh culture, Yeah, acupuncture. 720 00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:05.480 So basically they specifically use these actually acupuncture needles to 721 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:09.679 place in these meridian points on the body. And she 722 00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:16.159 was induced into having like a relentless orgasm, right, and yeah, 723 00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:19.599 it was very interesting, but this was the theory process. 724 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:24.400 And basically what had happened was Joseph de Maambro had 725 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:29.880 had attempted to kind of, you know, very much he 726 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.920 was he was kind of trying to swindle money from 727 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.360 most of the members of the OTS at the time, 728 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.960 but he was a little sloppy in his presentation in 729 00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:43.159 terms of Grace Kelly and kept trying to you know, 730 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:47.320 kind of leech more and more of her financial funds 731 00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:49.840 that that that he was attempting to get hurt to. 732 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:54.760 It was kind of again he crossed some boundaries. And 733 00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.119 and by the way, I think that the fact that 734 00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:01.679 you have the Prince of Monarch right who who's definitely 735 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:02.000 tied in. 736 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:04.639 Yeah, for folks, you don't know who Grace Kelly is. 737 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:06.800 She's an American actress who married the Prince of Monaco. 738 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.920 That little weird, little weird country. 739 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:15.039 And he's tied directly into essentially the Ross Kruscian order 740 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:19.400 in in in Monaco and was had effectively, uh apparently 741 00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:23.239 helped incorporate the OTS at that time in in uh 742 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.679 in Monaco. And so it makes a lot of sense 743 00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.039 that he would be that Princess Grace would be affiliated, 744 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:31.639 and apparently she was. 745 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.519 There's a lot of royals in these cults, right, it's 746 00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:36.599 not even wanted. This is not the only there's not 747 00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:40.920 one off situation. There's a lot of next nexium the process. 748 00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:44.119 You know, everyone likes to have their little royal situation 749 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.320 in these things. And again I would actually argue next 750 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.440 to him as the Albany chapter of the process would 751 00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:50.320 have evolved into. But we can get into that a 752 00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:54.159 little bit later, right, So, No, I appreciate, I appreciate 753 00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:56.639 we're going with this solar temple stuff too. So what 754 00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:58.800 I'm what I'm hearing, what you're what you're saying, is like, 755 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:00.840 this is kind of an all even though they're not 756 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.039 openly calling themselves the process, this is kind of an offshoot. 757 00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:05.320 And that's kind of what I'm what I how I 758 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.639 viewed the process as well as this so they have 759 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.119 these three gods and they really incorporate four or later 760 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:14.039 when they incorporate Jesus under the Foundation Faith Movements, et cetera. Right, 761 00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:18.519 So they do that because they can then incorporate anyone 762 00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:20.840 else's religion kind of like they can they can fold 763 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.440 up any other cult kind of right. So I view 764 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.000 it as the process was the process for like maybe 765 00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:29.320 m I six and you know, possibly oh and I 766 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:33.880 or CIA or both, the process in which they're going 767 00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.920 to do these hood ratchet operations right underneath this cult 768 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.480 business where they can and then incorporate any other cult 769 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:48.159 within the Lucifer, Jehovah, Satan, Christ you know, circumstances, right exactly. Yeah, 770 00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:51.239 And I find it, and that's kind of what I 771 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:52.400 was taking there. 772 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:57.400 Right, And I think that, uh, when they they kind 773 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:01.679 of absconde to Mexico after they leave the UK, it's 774 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:05.239 very interesting to me because you have the Metamorals cult 775 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.599 in the hand of Death cult that, yeah, it seems 776 00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:13.199 like there was. So I was reading about how potentially 777 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:17.119 there were auctions being held in Metamorials for abducted children, 778 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.840 and that essentially when the finders were caught in tallahassee 779 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:24.079 in eighty seven that they were on their way to 780 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.400 auction these children in Metamorals in Mexico, and that they 781 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.719 had tied back to a Jesuit institution. And so it 782 00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:33.880 made a lot of sense to me because you had 783 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:36.480 so many Georgetown affiliates who were tied in to the 784 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:41.400 Finder's Cult. And you know, in my opinion, the Finder's Cult, 785 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.199 I believe Ted Gunderson, I think that the Finder's Cult 786 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.960 was definitely a CIA cut out to abduct an auction children. 787 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.679 And more than that, I mean they were effectively they 788 00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:56.960 It's very interesting because they have this crazy connection to 789 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:03.000 this sort of like this. They were training CIA operatives 790 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.840 on computer systems at the time, which is very crazy 791 00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:08.559 to me that this was even a part of the 792 00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:12.960 entire narrative in regard to the Finder's Cult. But you know, 793 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.639 consider the fact, by the way that I discovered most 794 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:20.519 of this through Jonestown, and like I had said, right, 795 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:25.880 Congressman Leo Ryan's aid William Holsinger, who basically claims that 796 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:32.599 William Holsinger right. Basically, you have a UC Berkeley professor 797 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.519 who wrote up this crazy document called the Penal Colony, 798 00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:40.280 this paper that detailed how the CIA's mind control programs 799 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.039 were effectively driven underground and stopped allegedly stopped in seventy three, 800 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.039 but they had not. They were driven underground for plausible deniability, 801 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:53.119 and that was all effectively exposed through this penal Colony paper. 802 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:56.559 And so that was in nineteen eighty I believe when 803 00:42:56.599 --> 00:43:01.639 whole Singer even claimed that Richter Dwyer was at Jonestown 804 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.760 who was a CIA operative who tied in directly to handling, 805 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.199 you know, Jim Jones and and so again, for. 806 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.920 Sure, Yeah, that's a great point. If I may my 807 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:11.920 piggyback on that real quick, I want to put a 808 00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.480 note back there in you know, before we got you 809 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.440 know before well, let's start with Jones down there, because 810 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:19.960 you made some great points there. So Jonestown I think 811 00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:22.480 is interesting in the way in that regards your saying 812 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.039 I didn't know that's how you found the process. That's 813 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:27.960 also interesting. But it's definitely it's definitely in the same same, uh, 814 00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.960 same conversation. Right. So he's a Christian component, right, So 815 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.400 maybe he's part of that Christian kind of faction of 816 00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:36.199 this whole network. So he he's deeply integrated in to 817 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.280 politics there in San Francisco and in fact, in large 818 00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:41.199 part as a result of the fall out of Jonestown, 819 00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.840 we can thank the political career with the fall out 820 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.960 of Jonestown for Diane Feinstein. So Jontown is part of 821 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.039 the disaster of Jonestown is actually Diane Finstein. So you're 822 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:56.840 familiar with the infamous Twinkie assassination right there, and. 823 00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:01.119 Absolutely it's it's it's so ridiculous, honest. But you know, 824 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.440 by the way, we have a Kamala connection as well, 825 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.679 right essentially because of Brown exactly. 826 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:10.800 For folks not familiar with, one of the clean up 827 00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:13.280 crews in the Jonestown situation was the fellow by the 828 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:16.519 name of Dan White, a former SF San Francisco p 829 00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:20.079 D officer turned h you know, councilman and h he 830 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.639 walked into the office of the mayor with Harvey Milk. 831 00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.840 And remember the Sean Penn film Milk. I'm sure you 832 00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.719 know they you know that cause is son idol in 833 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:32.400 the the Q community. I called it Q like lgbt Q, 834 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:36.639 all of the above q Q community. So he he 835 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:38.719 walks in there and murders him and then he does 836 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:40.559 like two years in the mental institution because he said 837 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:43.360 that he ate a twinkie and then that sugar rush 838 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.400 had had caused him to lose his mind. And they're like, yeah, 839 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:47.840 that makes sense, that seems reasonable. 840 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:50.440 Yeah, right, man, I'm telling that. 841 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.199 And as a result of that, Diane Feinstein became instead 842 00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:56.639 of a lieutenant mayor or deputy mayor, she then became 843 00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.800 the mayor as a result of this assassination. And uh, 844 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:01.800 you know this is at the same time she hired 845 00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:04.039 that Chinese spy as or driver. It turns out back 846 00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.639 there around nineteen eighty again. And also you know, she 847 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:10.000 was so looney tunes that even the folks of San 848 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.079 Francisco would not elect her, speaking of Kamala right, see, 849 00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.920 she serves that same attribute. Even the folks out there 850 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.039 would not elect her. She so damn looney tunes Zion 851 00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:21.239 fine stand ran for mayor numerous times, she was appointed 852 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:24.519 deputy mayor and then again seized power and then ran 853 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.800 for Senate and never looked back. But it all, it 854 00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.199 was all very interesting amongst these whole this whole network 855 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:35.039 of these same how these major parapolitical assassinations are connected. 856 00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.559 But oh yeah, and by the way, and. 857 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:39.559 I want to the other pen was the Metamorro so 858 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:41.039 but yeah, please go please go ahead. 859 00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:45.800 Oh, I just uh, there was another assassination of a 860 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.360 diplomat in in DC. Was it through a car bomb? 861 00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:50.559 I'm trying to remember. 862 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:54.400 Yeah, uh that spot actually DuPont Circle. 863 00:45:54.519 --> 00:46:00.719 Yeah yeah, yeah, So connections with Colonia Digna dead and 864 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:05.559 this Nazi safe haven through these Cleindestine rat lines that 865 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:07.920 had been set up post World War two, and basically 866 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.119 Colonia Dignidad was where they essentially were carrying out war 867 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:17.880 crimes in Chile. Yeah, don't drink the kool aid, man, 868 00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:20.480 but it was flavor Aid. But it really upset that 869 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.559 if you call it kool aid in the nerdy Jonestown 870 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.320 community because it was technically flavor Aid, it was the 871 00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:29.960 off brand. These are Marxists, right, we got to remember 872 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.840 these communists. I just thought it was so funny because 873 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.920 you listen to the death tape, right, and he's pleading. 874 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.519 And by the way, obviously like the racial dynamic in Jonestown, 875 00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:46.039 it's very strange, right. You have this interesting inner circle 876 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.280 of Jim Jones that are all that are all white guys, 877 00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:51.880 and then you have that the members of the Red 878 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:56.519 Brigade essentially as well, and then you have the vast 879 00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.280 majority of the members of the People's Temple just being 880 00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:04.480 African American. And it is strange though, because listening to 881 00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.360 the death tape, uh, he's he's like, there's this one 882 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.119 woman who's basically just kind of pushing back on like 883 00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.119 why do we have to kill ourselves? Like didn't you 884 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.119 say we had an out to like go go to 885 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.679 Russia and uh and be staved like. 886 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:21.119 Evan's Gate right there. I thought we were going to 887 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.119 catch a Lea's coming exactly. 888 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.320 And uh. And he pleads to them by saying, you know, 889 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.519 don't you all want to die? Uh? You know, good 890 00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:32.679 God believing, so. 891 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:34.119 You want to be right with the Lord, right. 892 00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.320 Yeah, yeah, And it's it's very interesting, but you have 893 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.360 all the rest of them already in kind of a 894 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.000 frenzy shouting her down, shut up, like it's good. It's 895 00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.039 crazy how they actually are speaking to her. And and 896 00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:49.199 yet you still kind of like, listening to the whole tape, 897 00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.800 you you hear him say, get Dwyer out of here, right, 898 00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:57.360 Jim Jones, because obviously Richard Dwyer was the CIA asset 899 00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.840 who had who was fundamentally you know, had already gone 900 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:03.960 down to the Port Coyuma airstrip where Congressman le O 901 00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.639 Ryan had been assassinated, and yeah, and then had made 902 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.840 it back to the temple and in time for for 903 00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:16.119 or the you know, the for the mass exodus, right, 904 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:20.519 the mass suicide rellegively, but yeah, it's wasn't wasn't the 905 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.960 State Department fellow that wasn't It later turned out he was. 906 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:24.639 He was a CI operative as well, the one that 907 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.079 was on the airstrip and survived exactly. 908 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:32.920 And by the way, I think the entire right, and 909 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:36.760 when you look into the family that was involved, because 910 00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:41.039 it's very interesting in terms of Jonestown specifically because if 911 00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:46.480 you get into the the details of Larry Layton and 912 00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:50.039 his father who technically was in charge of of he 913 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:54.920 was basically in charge of psychological operations and and MK 914 00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.400 ultra at a certain level basically because he was running yeah, 915 00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:03.039 this advanced medical so basically where was this out of 916 00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:07.280 this is uh uh, let me pull up Larry Layton 917 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:08.320 because it's in my notes. 918 00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.079 It's very interesting when when you're saying stuff like that 919 00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:15.159 again and back to this next the situation again, I'll 920 00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.559 go into it later when we get the go backs processed. Situation. 921 00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.719 We'll get there eventually, but to that chronologically speaking, but 922 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:23.679 just while we're on the subject. So next to hum 923 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:26.280 it was often undescribed. Again, these things that go undescribed, 924 00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.360 even though these topics are you know, everyone knows the 925 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.800 word nexium, but most folks don't know. Next to him 926 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.119 was literally doing mk ultr experiments on their their membership 927 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.840 out of a hospital in Albany and a facility in Monterey, Mexico. 928 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:42.840 That the neurologist who was a member of the cult, 929 00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.719 he got heat. You can, folks can look up his uh, 930 00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:48.559 his commission hearing there the licensing commission in the state 931 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:51.360 of New York. He lost his doctor's license over these matters. 932 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.280 And they cite they don't say it was mk ultr experiments, 933 00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:57.880 but they cite that he was doing forcing like you know, 934 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:02.159 like having folks to a chair, strapping their eyes open 935 00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:04.400 and force them to watch snuff films. Because we've already 936 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.800 touched on that, that's a big part of this stuff. 937 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.679 So one of the investigatory documents I read said they 938 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:11.920 had identified seven or eight women that seem to be 939 00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:15.239 actual murder victims and these snuff films. Apparently there's one 940 00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:17.280 reference to that an all fainted reference in our mind, 941 00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:20.320 and they don't say it was New York or Mexico, 942 00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:22.840 because I wonder because again when we're talking Mata Moros again, 943 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:24.960 this is that's in the state of Monterey. It's not 944 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:26.920 far from the city of Monterey. So you make you 945 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.079 wonder how long has this stuff been going on? Because 946 00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.880 Nick and I did a couple episodes on these subjects 947 00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:34.280 with Matta Morros and the vampire cult, right Nick, which 948 00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.400 is all out of that same region. They're all doing 949 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.880 narco drug trafficking. They're all doing it under this guise 950 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:40.599 of kind of Satanism stuff, right. 951 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.679 Yeah, And it all gets really fucking weird, it out 952 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:44.480 of control. 953 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:48.320 And it seems like the victims, as always are not targeted, 954 00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:50.440 right I mean, I'm sorry, not random. You have a 955 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.280 Dea agent son right in the Matta Morros victim list. 956 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.119 He's the one who spawned the investigation. Really, And it 957 00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:01.920 turns out that that old Adolpho Costanzo was reporting directly 958 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.599 to the head of Intrepol in Mexico and he was 959 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:09.840 apparently running off. He was helping Costanzo infiltrate into these 960 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:13.400 different drug uh cartels, right, which he'd already done two 961 00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.840 before Matta Morris. He infiltrates the cartel, takes out the leader, 962 00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:19.280 and then moves on to the next one by becoming 963 00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.320 their spiritual leader. Right, So he had a whole mo 964 00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.239 with that, and I'm sure probably he was a prostitute 965 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:27.679 male process. This is probably weird suck stuff too, but absolutely, 966 00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:28.960 you know what I mean. So there there is a 967 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:31.320 whole narrative there that that operates around these cults that 968 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.320 you know, as many times as Matda Morris gets described, 969 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:36.559 you know, I don't you know, I'm gonna have to 970 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:40.559 obviously provide myself and Nick and Juliet over Cosmic Peach 971 00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:42.840 and Heidi and Jen who have all participated in these 972 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.519 conversations as well. And I think right from Codex of 973 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.960 Codex's Kodega of conspiracies there who sent us down this track, 974 00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:51.920 right Nick? But we, uh, you know, we were starting 975 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.800 to compare all these things, you know, and uh, these 976 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:57.000 there's so much comparison to you know, all the stuff 977 00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:58.800 we're talking about here with the process cults, with all 978 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:01.199 that stuff there in Mexico, and a nexium was operating 979 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:03.880 out of there, and Adolpho Gristanza may as well be 980 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:05.159 named Charles Manson in my. 981 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:12.400 Opinion, seriously man, and uh, yeah, it was Larry Layton's dad. 982 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:17.239 I found this very interesting because he was basically the 983 00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.280 So he was the biochemist in charge of the US 984 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.840 Army's chemical warfare program at its Doug Waye Building ground 985 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:26.079 in Utah, in Utah. 986 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:30.360 Yeah, so he's kind of doing a Frank Zappa's dad situation, 987 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:33.079 but he's not an Edgewood Arsenal's isn't right. 988 00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.760 And and it's very interesting because all the large amounts 989 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:41.800 of psychoactive mind controlled drugs found on the site of Jhonestown, Uh, 990 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:50.840 sodium pentathal, diazepam, thora zine, Larry Layton exactly. And Larry Layton, 991 00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.519 the lieutenant who became the only person charged in any 992 00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:57.760 of the killings, also a key member of the airstrip 993 00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.679 hit team obviously, and somehow survived the Jonestown masker. He's 994 00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:06.800 later described as sinking and uh as sinking into a 995 00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:10.400 post hypnotic trance as he sunk ever deeper under Jones 996 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:16.159 spell Layton's own father, who was running this, this biochemist 997 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:19.760 as far as the running the US Army chemical warfare program. 998 00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:24.280 He even said that he called him a robot. Larry Layton, 999 00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:27.159 his own son, the only one ever charged. And so 1000 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.880 that to me I found very interesting because it was 1001 00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:34.320 it was George Philip Blakey, who was Larry Layton's brother 1002 00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.559 in law. Now, this man is the man who arranged 1003 00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:41.079 the lease on Jonestown with the Guyanese government on Jim 1004 00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:44.519 Jones' behalf and was reportedly a mercenary for the CIA 1005 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:48.360 back to United Rebels in Angola, which we know for 1006 00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.480 a fact now that Operation Shalom, I think is what 1007 00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:59.679 it was called with with Colton Westbrook, Colston Westbrook, that's. 1008 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:05.039 And uh and basically go ahead, go ahead, no, go ahead, No, 1009 00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.039 you're good, buddy, I know I was going to Can 1010 00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.039 you please describe who that is? Yeah? Please go right. 1011 00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.400 Yeah, So he essentially was was a part of Project 1012 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.960 Phoenix or the Phoenix operation right and what and and 1013 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:21.519 basically was uh what was tasked with training and goal 1014 00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.440 and rebels on this black site which then became Jonestown, 1015 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:27.880 the People's Temple of Jonestown and the remote jungles of 1016 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:31.480 Guyana right on the the uh right on the border 1017 00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:35.840 of Venezuela believes what what borders which is very interesting 1018 00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.639 as far as the geopolitical context of of that playing 1019 00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:42.320 out at the time, especially considering the British Black Watch 1020 00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:45.960 who were in the area when the mass suicide took place, 1021 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:47.960 who just so happened to be in the area. And 1022 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:51.119 then you have uh, Colonel bo Gritz, who was the 1023 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:54.360 hot who was the negotiator who went down to Ruby 1024 00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:56.880 Ridge and was trying to talk to Randy Weaver. And 1025 00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:00.480 because Randy Weaver was a former Green Beret, So right, 1026 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:02.239 green Bray, I'm glad you brought that. 1027 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:03.760 Up because I do want to get into Idaho and 1028 00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:06.639 that's obviously a very similar event in recent history. And 1029 00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:07.920 I to have regarding all these. 1030 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:11.199 Matters, definitely, and I won't forget to just to explain 1031 00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.480 Colston Westbrook a little bit, but it's still interesting as 1032 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:18.119 far as the fact that you have Colonel bow Gritz 1033 00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:21.320 claiming as a as a former Special Forces Green Berray 1034 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:25.719 commander that he was he was told by Green Berey, 1035 00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:30.199 you know, special Forces operatives that were called to the 1036 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:35.840 site of the People's Temple agricultural project in Jonestown, and 1037 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:37.920 that he was told that this was a clean up 1038 00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:40.360 crew for MK Ultra and that this was an m 1039 00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:44.760 k Ultra operation gone wrong. They were effectively all right, 1040 00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:50.079 we have to essentially, you know, the ops been overexposed. 1041 00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:53.239 Let's lure down Congressman and Leo O. Ryan because he 1042 00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:55.679 had been a thorn in the side of the intelligence 1043 00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:58.679 apparatus and definitely the agency at the time. He had 1044 00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:01.360 been just showing up at Langley, uh, saying, all right, 1045 00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:03.039 show me the files, what have you guys been up to? 1046 00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:04.400 And he's like. 1047 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.159 Man and one of one of the most radical congressmen 1048 00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:13.000 I've ever read about. I can't even imagine a congressman 1049 00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.639 doing something like this in modern day. He was going 1050 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:20.639 in covertly into uh the prison complex in in California, 1051 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.320 and he was, uh, he was attempting to go in 1052 00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:28.280 as a prisoner to to effectively understand how the the 1053 00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.079 you know, they were treating prisoners at the time, and 1054 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:33.880 so he's he's going under cover and like uh uh 1055 00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:38.599 into these uh maximum facilities which which were just like 1056 00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:41.840 it is very interesting to me. But again he claimed 1057 00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:46.000 that Patty Hurst was obviously a a product of m 1058 00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:48.920 k Ultra and that the s l A, the Symbionese 1059 00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:55.000 Army was was effectively a construct of the intelligence apparatus 1060 00:56:55.039 --> 00:57:01.119 through mk ultra's clandestine operation utilizing uh the institution Vacaville, 1061 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:06.320 where basically Charles Manson had attended in the early fifties, 1062 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:10.719 which ties directly into his mind control training and conditioning. 1063 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.639 And knowing what they did at Vaucaville, it's very interesting 1064 00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:16.320 because they had this policy of first of all, understanding 1065 00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:21.079 the California prison complex is so compromised, and it's it 1066 00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:25.000 was really just you know, being utilized by the intelligence 1067 00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:28.159 apparatus at the time to perform these COVID operations. And 1068 00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.559 so what they utilized this institution for they were just 1069 00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:36.599 like letting prisoners go after they received their conditioning and 1070 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.920 they would show up right in random locations all around 1071 00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:45.599 the domestic us causing chaos. It seemed like chaos dio. Right. 1072 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:47.840 So that's the end of the day, and that's that's 1073 00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:49.480 kind of where my way, that's where the problem. We 1074 00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.559 can circle back to the Pross. Your explanation is great. 1075 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:54.679 I love how you're connecting all of these things because 1076 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:56.840 I do view them as all connected to these military 1077 00:57:56.920 --> 00:58:00.360 spook operation networks as you're describing. You know, we we're 1078 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:03.599 sold different story narratives publicly that you know, this is 1079 00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:05.079 a you know, you may as well just call it 1080 00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.840 the swamp gas theory, if you will, but sold publicly 1081 00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:11.159 Disneyland narrators around these subjects that may have some truth 1082 00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:14.039 that rooted in them, but they ultimately they're spinning away 1083 00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:16.360 from the idea of that narrative is to spin away 1084 00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:19.519 from whatever's really going on, right So, and that is 1085 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:21.960 obviously what's going on with Jonestown, you know, even the 1086 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:25.440 we even talk about what they drink improperly. Right. So, 1087 00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:28.159 and again all these we find out later, all those 1088 00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.719 spook spooks around there, and we find that what I'm 1089 00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:32.320 getting at, here's we find out with every kind of 1090 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:36.199 process thing. So with the RFK assassination, so when they 1091 00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:38.679 came they came to America basically in sixty eight there 1092 00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:42.360 and immediately got to business with some stuff. And with 1093 00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:45.280 the RFK situation, we find out there's just process and 1094 00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:47.320 CIA folks everywhere around them. But we don't find that 1095 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.960 out till years later. Right, So between Thane, Eugene Caesar 1096 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:53.559 and uh a fellow by the name of Alard Lowenstein 1097 00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:56.239 who just happened to be best friends with Donald Rumsfeld totally, 1098 00:58:57.199 --> 00:58:59.199 you know, he comes out he's a congressman at the time. 1099 00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:01.880 He comes out later find out after he gets murdered 1100 00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:04.519 in his office in nineteen eighty by a mind control assassin. 1101 00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:07.800 Somebody just walks in their mind control, a wise silence, 1102 00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:10.400 just them, you know, like like Dan White, did you 1103 00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:11.760 don't know Alur loans. 1104 00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:12.840 Know of this story? Man? 1105 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.960 No, no, dude, I was when when you were describing. 1106 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:18.000 So I was downloading a lot of pictures to show 1107 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.400 you so from my phone here. So Alur Loansing was 1108 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.920 a congressman. He was a congressman with him and Rummy 1109 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:27.599 as he called him, they were a junior congressman together, 1110 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.239 and then he was a Democrat. Rummy was a Republican. 1111 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:31.039 This is the sick. 1112 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:39.280 Losing Grandmain's got you right. 1113 00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:45.400 It's a perfect window and to how they coexist, right, 1114 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:50.199 to manufacture that kind of illusion, the two party delusion 1115 00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:52.480 right there you here in bag. 1116 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.159 By my back. As I said, here, I got cut out, 1117 00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:58.239 filled with my WiFi situation there, so help me bring 1118 00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.159 up Lowan. See. So you know, like I said, he's 1119 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:02.199 tied with rum Spell and whatnot. But we find out 1120 01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:04.719 after he's murdered in nineteen eighty that he was a 1121 01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:08.400 CIA agent the entire time. He's a congressman, and no one, 1122 01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:10.039 no one bats and eye at these things. And I'll 1123 01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:11.239 and I'll make a point here in a moment, how 1124 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:16.719 that's still relevant today. But Sollen Lowenstein's literally at I 1125 01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:19.119 don't know that he's at the dinner in Malibu the 1126 01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:23.119 night before the Ambassador Hotel American of RFK, but I 1127 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:26.320 know from his staffer, you know, from some folks that 1128 01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:29.320 you know, worked for him. I spent six years in 1129 01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.880 DC and I don't do politics, and I've only voted 1130 01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:36.599 once under duress. And that's a long story. Yeah it was. 1131 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.239 I was I was on active duty and he's facing jail, 1132 01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:41.360 and is you know, you got to vote, and again 1133 01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:44.199 it's it sounds ridiculous, and it really is ridiculous. But 1134 01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:48.480 it's a different story altogether. The nonetheless, I don't play politics, 1135 01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:49.840 but nonetheless I got you know, I knew a lot 1136 01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.079 of political folks and I heard some stories. So Lowenstein 1137 01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:56.199 was allegedly at the Ambassador Hotel with this came from 1138 01:00:56.199 --> 01:00:58.000 a staffer who worked for him at the time. It 1139 01:00:58.039 --> 01:00:59.519 was an old person, you know, by the time I'd 1140 01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:04.599 met this person. Uh, I managed the budget for military 1141 01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:06.519 place for the Air Force. So I would have interactions 1142 01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:09.079 with with you know, folks in Congress always trying to 1143 01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:11.199 get the ear marks and pork stuff and whatever other 1144 01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:13.679 weird political name they want to add to these things 1145 01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.679 in the budgets. So you know, you need, like you know, 1146 01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:18.920 somebody within their military to be like, yeah, we need 1147 01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:20.519 that shit. And I would just tell people we don't 1148 01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:23.320 need that ship. In fact, come back to my office again. 1149 01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:25.599 And that found me quickly in the crosshairs of the 1150 01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:28.599 Podesta brothers because they ran K Street. They were the 1151 01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:30.719 kings of K Street and the lobbyists. They ran all 1152 01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:32.880 the lobbyists there. And if you found out quick if 1153 01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:35.800 you tell a lobbyists to go fuck themselves, that you're 1154 01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.440 going to find yourself in a weird and weird circumstance 1155 01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:41.360 as an environment in that town. But nonetheless, the uh, 1156 01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:46.320 my point being is Lowenstein by by incredible source. Lowestein 1157 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.599 was at the Ambassador Hotel in the kitchen and was 1158 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:53.719 one of the individuals holding Rfk's dead body. My god, man, 1159 01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:57.400 that's where that's our Lowenstein. Now, his son was deep 1160 01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:00.119 up in the Clinton State Department is very prominent. We 1161 01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:02.920 noted within the Podesta emails. 1162 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:08.599 Oh my gosh, so that is insane. I know. 1163 01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:12.719 Uh well, the Thleen mc favor was the University of 1164 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:16.119 Yale University's librarian asking John Podesta for a one on 1165 01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:18.760 one meeting with Barack Obama. That was the thelemic favor. 1166 01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:21.320 Wow your library? 1167 01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:23.960 What Yeah? 1168 01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:24.280 Right? 1169 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:28.039 Weird? Right? That is so much like dentists do. I 1170 01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.039 think the librarians are just fucking as sad like Assassin's 1171 01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:33.840 waiting in the wings. Right. You're also you've probably seen 1172 01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:36.159 a lot of this weird dentist activity around a lot 1173 01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:39.519 of these uh these cult networks right specifically around Madson 1174 01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:42.119 and you know, hypnotists, dentists, there's a lot of creepy, 1175 01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:45.159 little weird professionals. I think, like that's a dangerous person. 1176 01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:49.719 But Tim McVay as well, Yeah, yeah, I found something 1177 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:54.039 very interesting on on McVay recently. But I'll pull that 1178 01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:56.239 here in a moment because it was very interesting to 1179 01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:59.639 see that one of the one of the mk ulture 1180 01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:03.960 facilit these that was being utilized for the modern operation 1181 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:07.719 was basically he was he was working security there after 1182 01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:10.960 he came back from the alleged goal for and and 1183 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:14.159 then had his his yeah run in with the Special 1184 01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:17.960 Forces and dropped out of the training allegedly even though 1185 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:21.880 he told his sister that obviously he and a select 1186 01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:26.000 few their social security numbers were called out when they 1187 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:28.440 were in formation one day after they took these these 1188 01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:32.239 various tests and psychological tests, and he had scored a 1189 01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:35.960 very very high on this test. And so basically he 1190 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:40.360 had been recruited into covert clendestdyn domestic operations. And this 1191 01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:44.400 was the moment that occurred. But it's very strange because 1192 01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:47.920 it seems like he had told individuals who in like 1193 01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:50.679 I think it was David Paul Hammer or Paul David Hammer. 1194 01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:53.679 I always mixed that name up. But one of the 1195 01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:56.519 inmates on death Row who he served time with, he 1196 01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:58.800 told him that he essentially, no, he. 1197 01:03:58.719 --> 01:03:59.480 Would not die. 1198 01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.760 He had in the large molar I think is where 1199 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:05.679 it was in his tooth. He had basically been micro chip, 1200 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:09.039 he claimed essentially through through this process and that he 1201 01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:12.679 would effectively be rescued by his uh you know, basically, 1202 01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:18.440 they would give him a counteracting dose that would uh 1203 01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:22.599 basically counteract his his h end of life moment when 1204 01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:25.719 he was executed, and then he would be ushered off, 1205 01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:28.599 which obviously if you if you know the details of 1206 01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:31.360 kind of how they misdirected the public to the hearst 1207 01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:34.079 and and uh and everything that happened with his body, 1208 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:35.159 let's get into some of that. 1209 01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:37.119 It's very mysterious, you know, if folks like to think 1210 01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:38.320 it's cut and dry, and it's not. 1211 01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:41.320 As it's fascinating stuff. But the whole reason I even 1212 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:43.280 brought it up was because I found out about this 1213 01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:49.480 insane there's this insane series of photos uh that that 1214 01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:55.440 were in uh basically in Time magazine in in this 1215 01:04:56.119 --> 01:04:59.639 it's very strange because it seems like, uh, this has 1216 01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:03.519 a direc tie into Sirhan Sirhan basically being so Henry 1217 01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:08.159 loose ran Time whenever this this these pictures were taken 1218 01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.960 where they were in apparently they were in Grand Central Park, right, 1219 01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:17.360 and they were basically they were basically it was for 1220 01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:21.280 this skate issue where all these like it was strange. 1221 01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:23.840 They were all brown people and they were like Sirhan 1222 01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:28.599 Sirhan was one of them, seemingly with the individual bus 1223 01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:32.519 boy who was basically the first to be on rfk's 1224 01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:35.599 body in the pantry of the Ambassador that night, and 1225 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:39.119 so he was also in that same picture years before, 1226 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:43.000 just a few years prior to the I believe it 1227 01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:45.199 was in sixty three or sixty four when the pictures 1228 01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.199 took place. But it's fascinating stuff, and. 1229 01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:51.280 Yeah, has got a lot of interesting connections done, even 1230 01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:54.760 sides Rosicrucianism and whatnot and everything else in that nineteen 1231 01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:59.320 seventy four s report placing him So I want to 1232 01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:01.719 just ask your opinion less placing him at the scene 1233 01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:05.079 of the Tate Polanski him doing sex magic rituals with 1234 01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:08.400 an English quote unquote English satanic cult. That's the process. 1235 01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:12.079 So that would be May, that would be circum late 1236 01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:15.360 May or early presumably late May of nineteen sixty eighty 1237 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:17.599 corn to that report. But you know, the process, That's 1238 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.440 what I'm saying, This journey into America, back to the process. 1239 01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:24.920 They don't you know, it's always mired in a mystery 1240 01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:28.159 and typically false facts. So you know, one of the 1241 01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.960 things I know, Dana Dude all turned up was them 1242 01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:34.000 calling themselves the process far earlier. You know, I believe 1243 01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:37.880 it was a corporate document dating back to sixty six, 1244 01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:41.079 I believe in the UK. Now, the corporation's name wasn't 1245 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:44.039 the Process, but the opening sentence of the corporate documents 1246 01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:47.199 say this is for a group that calls itself the Process. 1247 01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:53.039 Interesting. Yeah, that's amazing, especially considering how you know, if 1248 01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:57.360 you think about John Markham, I found this very interesting. Yeah, 1249 01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:00.920 he has direct connections to satanic murder and right, which 1250 01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:06.079 is is very strange, the Laruge trials and and all 1251 01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:09.360 that's connected in with that. It's very interesting because it 1252 01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:15.000 seems like, you know, clearly, first of all, he's incorporating 1253 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:18.000 the San Francisco chapter of the process, and and he's 1254 01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:22.639 directly involved with Jeffery McDonald's defense, which is very interesting. 1255 01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:27.760 Right, Well, May Austin, So John John Markham, he did 1256 01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.000 incorporate them in New York before that he incorporated them 1257 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.639 I'm sorry San Francisco, but years prior to that he 1258 01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:34.480 incorporated them in New York. I believe it was seventy 1259 01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:38.800 two when they moved a pound Ridge. So he's working 1260 01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:41.000 for them for over twelve years. Then, like you're saying, 1261 01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:43.800 he leaves office, goes to the US Attorney's office, is 1262 01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:46.719 hired by Tuesday, Weld's cousin. That's a different story altogether, 1263 01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:50.519 Bill Weld Tuesday, and then and then he starts prosecuting. 1264 01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:53.079 I know LaRouche is clearly involved in Iran contra. I'd 1265 01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:54.599 love to get your pend in here. But to me, 1266 01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:57.000 he's clearly involved in Iran contract but he seems to 1267 01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:59.480 be the only one actually blowing any whistles. 1268 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:01.719 Yeah, yeah, and I charged with. 1269 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.960 Fraud, right and they and they send the Process attorney 1270 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:06.840 after him, and he's publishing in This is a weird 1271 01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:09.679 dynamic the folks, so I think really need understand. This 1272 01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:11.639 is the very same time the Roosh is publishing in 1273 01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:14.719 his publications. How John Markham is an attorney for the 1274 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:18.199 same Satanic military intelligence spook operation that he's trying to 1275 01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:22.800 out exactly. It's you know, he's like, is anyone not 1276 01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:24.640 paying attention to this? So you know, obviously he's friends 1277 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.239 with Oliver North. I mean, there's a lot of probably 1278 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:29.560 negative shit you say about Parus, but he wasn't wrong. 1279 01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:33.800 This Anglo American influences is perpetrated through the Process, but 1280 01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:37.039 it's also perpetrated through other mechanisms like the Secret Society 1281 01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:40.399 that created America, the Society of the Cincinnati which is 1282 01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:43.640 also represented in the Process, and Dana Dude all Night 1283 01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:47.000 and Rotting Jewels there. You know, and we did. Folks 1284 01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:49.840 can check it out on an earlier episode of Operation GCD. 1285 01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:52.399 We did. She was a guest and we did. The 1286 01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:55.800 Society of the Cincinnati meets the Process. So that's some genealogy. 1287 01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.760 You know, these things are you know, they're rooted in 1288 01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:02.640 the folks that run that run this place. It's not 1289 01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:04.319 just you know, some low level ship. This is some 1290 01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:07.199 of the upper upper Reschlan ship we're talking about here. 1291 01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:09.000 So when we're talking about how these narratives are skewed 1292 01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:11.479 and you know, these timelines are kind of funky and 1293 01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:12.960 they don't really see it makes sense given the name 1294 01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:14.640 in facts, you know, I think we're you know, we 1295 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:17.079 can kind of understand that why that is when we 1296 01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:19.640 understand who where, it's kind of where it's kind of 1297 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:20.880 coming from right soon, man. 1298 01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:24.720 And I had no real understanding as far as the Yeah, 1299 01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:29.199 we know, obviously the RFK assassination is perfectly implicated in 1300 01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.800 terms of the process involvement. But I had no realization 1301 01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:39.720 of the JFK assassination. Uh basically was was uh it 1302 01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:45.319 blew my mind, honestly, that bler Yeah, dude, And and well. 1303 01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:47.960 If we may close out on Bill well here and uh, 1304 01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:49.920 you know, at least put a paw on there. Bill 1305 01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:53.119 Weld Society, Cincinnati Family. I'm not saying he's a member, 1306 01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:57.359 but the Welds basically run the Massachusetts chapter. They started Harvard, 1307 01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:00.760 et cetera right there. Their home was on a mound 1308 01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:03.520 world manor it was that was that was the chapter 1309 01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:06.520 that was kind of the the Wars of seventeen seventy six. 1310 01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:08.680 That was the headquarters kind of in Massachusetts was the 1311 01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:11.640 Weld home. So very powerful family. And again he hires 1312 01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:14.000 Markham the Eternity to prosecute the sky La rouge. But 1313 01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:16.239 Markham will come back to him in a second because 1314 01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:18.479 he's got a lot of other interesting things going on 1315 01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:24.720 in there with Yeah, the well I would finish up 1316 01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.560 with markoum. I suppose you. Yeah, that's good. What are 1317 01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:30.279 your thoughts on hims involved? So you mentioned Gunderson, right, 1318 01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:34.960 So Gunderson, Ted Gunderson, famed FBI agent. He retires in 1319 01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:37.279 I think seventy nine after they wouldn't appoint him the 1320 01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:40.520 new FBI director because before he ran co intel Pro, 1321 01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:44.239 he was, you know, the the subversive actions of all 1322 01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:46.520 these kind of nefarious hood rat ship we're talking about. 1323 01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:49.840 Coin Telpro is the FBI's kind of version. You know, 1324 01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:54.000 he's uh, you know, he's doing the I think he 1325 01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:56.439 was the assistant to Jagar Hoover. Then he'd ran Cointelpro 1326 01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:58.199 and then he by his own admission, he thought he 1327 01:10:58.239 --> 01:10:59.720 was gonna be the next director at some point. But 1328 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.520 then he leaves and gets involved in fighting satanic panic. 1329 01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:06.359 Oh at that point in time where he started's like 1330 01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:08.359 I'm gonna go I'm gonna go help this Jeffer McDonald, 1331 01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:10.760 guy Fort Bragg, and then just seems like he brings 1332 01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:15.199 in Alan Dershowitz and John Markham as attorneys right to 1333 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.760 help Jeffrey McDonald who is screaming since day one that 1334 01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:23.239 a hippie satanic cole murdered his family in the Middenite 1335 01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:25.720 Manson style, right exactly. Yeah. 1336 01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:30.079 And it's crazy to me because you just consider the 1337 01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:34.880 fact that, you know, obviously these are the usual suspects 1338 01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:37.680 involved with the vast majority of what seems to be 1339 01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:45.600 I think this really implicates this wider clandestine intelligence international 1340 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:49.760 network that was that was essentially kind of implemented post 1341 01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:55.600 World War two, very whack and huts, the same thing 1342 01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:57.479 in my you see. 1343 01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:59.399 A guy that is allegedly a member of the Process 1344 01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:02.800 on his board, so you know, obviously they're not the 1345 01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:04.800 process you had at this point in time with permandex. 1346 01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:07.199 But in you know, in the early sixties when Jim 1347 01:12:07.199 --> 01:12:10.720 Garrison's investigating, specifically in charges board member klay shawl right 1348 01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:15.840 and famed Garrison Investigation and Jaff Kay assassination. Klay Shaw's 1349 01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:19.640 associate besides mafia boss Joseph Bonano was on that board 1350 01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:25.199 was Roy Cone, who David as a member of the process. 1351 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:29.039 Hold on, say say that one more time, because David Burkewitz, 1352 01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:33.159 you already know, was claiming that Roy Cohne was running 1353 01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:36.800 human compromise operations in his home in Massachusetts with these 1354 01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:39.319 various parties that he was having and that the Process 1355 01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:44.079 was providing young children for those very for those very 1356 01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:46.760 parties of sexual first sexual blackmail. 1357 01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:50.319 But in David Burkeowitz signed a memorandum in ninety six 1358 01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:53.880 witnessed by multiple parties including Mary Terry, saying that he 1359 01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:57.039 witnessed Roy Cone ben to roy Cone's house and apparently 1360 01:12:57.119 --> 01:12:59.439 roy Cone was the inn at Studio fifty four. Folks 1361 01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:01.520 often won, well, how did David burke Whitz get into 1362 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:04.359 Studio fifty four, as he claims, well, it seems that 1363 01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:07.319 that was Roy Cones official office, so he had kind 1364 01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:09.760 of taken over ownership and more or less ownership of that. 1365 01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.760 The owners of Studio fifty four were in debt to 1366 01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.479 Roy and his law partner to the tune of a 1367 01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:18.560 lot of money, and that law partner left the Mayor's office. 1368 01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:21.319 Mayor had a Beam's office to go, you know, do 1369 01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:23.560 Roy hood red stuff. So do you see this connection? 1370 01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:27.840 Not only you know Ham his bo you're saying that 1371 01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:28.680 was said. 1372 01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:31.680 Burke, was said a Beam's son, and multiple staffers were 1373 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:33.920 part of the part of there, and I was, yeah, 1374 01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:35.960 I would have served. One of those staffers was Roy 1375 01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:38.800 Cones law partner who was also represented the Studio fifty 1376 01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:41.319 four owners and numerous hood rat shit. So you know 1377 01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:43.399 a lot of me said there with those weird dynamics, 1378 01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:47.840 right for sure, we're definitely definitely Roy interesting character. Yeah, 1379 01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:49.439 he's on the he's on the board of permandecks and 1380 01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:51.479 you know we're gonna talk CHFK. Then I'll make the 1381 01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:53.880 point that Jim Garrison, I think, was the the man 1382 01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:56.239 who brought those charges against the perman Deexs board member 1383 01:13:56.319 --> 01:14:01.119 Clay Shaw and was investigating folks like Tommy Jude Bomber's crew. 1384 01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:04.479 There the attorney that incorporates the process, who has worked 1385 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:07.520 out of Guy Banister's office. Jim Garrison knew all of 1386 01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:10.880 these characters on before then Banister, you know, all Bomber, 1387 01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:13.359 all these guys, you know, he knew there were shady bunch. 1388 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:16.000 She knew. He knew David Ferry back from for twenty 1389 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:20.279 plus years when David Ferry was Lee Harvey Oswald's Civil 1390 01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:23.720 Air Patrol leader, right, yes, was the general in charge 1391 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:26.479 of those numerous civil Air Patrol units. So he was 1392 01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:29.199 the FBI agent, and in Idaho he's the FBI agent. 1393 01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:32.760 And I think him when Guy Banister and Freddy Christman 1394 01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:35.479 are running UFO operations in July forty seven out of 1395 01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:38.520 Puget Sound, right, so that Garrison what the fuck was 1396 01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:41.239 going on with these people? And then and then he starts, 1397 01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:45.520 he starts that he charges Clay shawl in sixty seven there, right, 1398 01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:47.560 And then the process show up in New Orleans. I 1399 01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:50.359 don't think that's by any stretch coincidental. And then they 1400 01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:53.840 hire an attorney that's he's already been investigating for numerous 1401 01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:56.239 years right out of an office that he's already been 1402 01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:59.640 investigating for numerous years. These things are not all on them, 1403 01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:01.359 right if you look at the you know, no one 1404 01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:02.600 really talks about this, but if you look at the 1405 01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:06.880 grand jury statements, he was looking at mainly around a 1406 01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:11.640 fellow by name of Damn just blue Blue dribbiling uh 1407 01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:14.439 not Lee Harvey Oswald. That's ridiculous, Lee Harp. 1408 01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:19.279 Lee Harvey Oswald's double Kerry thorn Yes, dude, I was 1409 01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:21.600 about to bring him up because that is the direct 1410 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:25.439 connection of the process with the death assassination in my mind, 1411 01:15:25.479 --> 01:15:26.159 And and. 1412 01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:29.439 That's absolutely is. I think Discordianism his little religion. I 1413 01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:31.720 don't buy their bullshit narrative of how it started. I 1414 01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:34.800 view it as a offshoot of the process within this 1415 01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:39.319 whole military spook apparatuson. You know, I think Garrison did too. 1416 01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:43.000 So Garrison would follomy throughout his life. He would follow 1417 01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:46.359 Thornley to Atlanta, you know, Atlanta circa nineteen seventy nine. 1418 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:49.199 Why is Jim Garrison visiting Atlanta in seventy nine other 1419 01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:52.000 than to Harassedmentry Thornley at the time of the Atlanta 1420 01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:52.720 child killings. 1421 01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:56.039 That's exactly my god, Man, you're you're you're blowing my 1422 01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:59.520 mind because of course that is exactly where I'm at 1423 01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:03.279 personally in this moment. I'm investigating the Atlanta child murders. 1424 01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:06.880 That's going to be my next upcoming episode, because I 1425 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:11.840 just couldn't even believe that. Of course, allegedly the process 1426 01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:15.439 the way it was explained, but I think it's far 1427 01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:19.199 more complicated than this. But I did see it in 1428 01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:22.920 many different ways explained as if they uprooted from upstate 1429 01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:26.920 New York and then all of a sudden they resurfaced 1430 01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:29.399 in Atlanta just around the time that the Atlanta child 1431 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:33.000 murders are taking place, and you have this very strike 1432 01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:34.039 it's a little. 1433 01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:36.479 Bit more complex than Now York. That is an accurate description. 1434 01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:39.720 That's an abscription, right, And I think that as far 1435 01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:44.840 as the honestly, I think that the way that Detective 1436 01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:47.199 Jim Rosstein was kind of viewing that all at the 1437 01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:49.520 time as well, was kind of he was trying to 1438 01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:51.880 figure it out as he went, and so he the 1439 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:54.079 way that he viewed it was that there was a 1440 01:16:54.359 --> 01:16:58.159 specific cell that he was investigating that I think maybe 1441 01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:02.239 had potentially fled the area after he was investigating the 1442 01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:05.399 the Undermeyer Park connections to the Devil's Cave and all 1443 01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:09.159 these these mass death or or these mass graves of 1444 01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:13.000 Alsatian German shepherd dogs and things of that nature, you know. 1445 01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:15.800 And by the way, another strange fastball, just. 1446 01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:17.359 One note, if I may, if I may, their Austin, 1447 01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:19.560 so I know folks often get tripped up on this, 1448 01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:24.239 the uh, interchangeable usage of Alsatian and German shepherds. It's 1449 01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:27.039 the same breed. They just during the World War Two 1450 01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:29.560 the British were like, we can't call these things Germans anymores, 1451 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:30.479 We'll call them Alsatians. 1452 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:35.920 That's so funny. But yeah, that and there's directly yeah, exactly, 1453 01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:38.520 and and there's the same uh, there's a tie in 1454 01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:42.199 directly to kind of the Nazi occultism aspect of of 1455 01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:44.840 a lot of the philosophy playing out as far as 1456 01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:49.600 the loyalty tests with the Alsatian dogs, which I found 1457 01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:52.399 very interesting because of course they would have members of 1458 01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:55.359 the s S. They would give them, gif them puppies, 1459 01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:58.000 and these these German shepherd puppies, and then they would 1460 01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:01.600 raise them and have to execute them at a certain point. 1461 01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:05.479 And this was a loyalty test to some extent, and 1462 01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:08.880 of course another aspect of kind of I think it 1463 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:11.079 was far more than that, because I think that animal 1464 01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:15.199 sacrifices is and blood rituals are are actually far more 1465 01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:21.880 of a part of kind of the approach of the occult, 1466 01:18:22.199 --> 01:18:25.800 of the occultist mindset and philosophical Uh. You know, in 1467 01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:30.000 my mind, they were exercising this occultism within the the 1468 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:32.680 inner circle of the s s and that that was 1469 01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:33.359 very obvious. 1470 01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:36.039 I mean you have if you don't mind, will you 1471 01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:37.640 impact that though a little bit? Because Nick and I 1472 01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:40.680 keep looking at all these various animal sacrifice set for 1473 01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:45.039 the dog stuff, and yeah, we prebly communicate offline conversations 1474 01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:47.119 like trying to bounce ninety is like, what is really 1475 01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:49.600 the rout of all this animal sacrifice stuff? 1476 01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:49.760 Right? 1477 01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:52.279 Why are they so focused on German shepherds? 1478 01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:56.640 Yeah, it is very strange and and uh and by 1479 01:18:56.640 --> 01:19:00.199 the way, remember that story of Rudolph hes like apparently uh, 1480 01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:03.880 putting on the rope that had all these ancient ruins 1481 01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:07.479 all over it and he's having these like uh magical 1482 01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:10.319 bars with Aleister Crowley at the time, allegedly and that 1483 01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:13.520 he yeah, he like decides that he's going to board uh. 1484 01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:18.039 Uh Cessna essentially and fly into the UK and he 1485 01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:23.239 gets shot down over the UK airspace and it was 1486 01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:26.239 put instantly into prison. But it was very strange. 1487 01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:28.000 He was going to meet with the British royals then, right, 1488 01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:31.159 because there was the British Royals who were supporters. Right, 1489 01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:33.520 that was the story, right, Yeah, that's the slot King 1490 01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:35.319 Charles Uncle, right exactly. 1491 01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:39.720 And but again it's like with these the strange stories, 1492 01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:44.159 and in terms of these Alsatian dogs, it does seem 1493 01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:51.359 like it was one it was far easier to of course, 1494 01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:55.399 you know, get access to these these animals that would 1495 01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:59.399 wouldn't have any sort of real uh tie to anyone 1496 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:03.000 looking out for their well being or concerned about the 1497 01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:05.760 you know, the ultimate consequence of what might happen to 1498 01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:08.479 the dogs once they were actually you know, taken in 1499 01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:12.079 by the organization and utilized for the blood ritual sacrifice. 1500 01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:14.640 So I think that's one aspect of it. It's it's 1501 01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:18.399 easier to get a hold of animals, and but specifically 1502 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:21.399 the German shepherd dogs. I think that is where you 1503 01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:24.600 have the the strange Nazi occult tie in. And and 1504 01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:27.119 again this is I haven't gotten any sort of like 1505 01:20:27.279 --> 01:20:31.640 straight answer as to the reason why this specific breed 1506 01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:35.199 other than they believe that it is the most human 1507 01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:40.199 like because they're very intelligent and they have essentially this 1508 01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:43.680 is the best that they can do is get closest 1509 01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:48.600 to a human sacrifice is through the Alsatian dog. So 1510 01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:51.199 that was interesting to me and again. 1511 01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:54.319 Interesting I think the mad scientist of the occult rejects 1512 01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:58.039 here Lisa Is, proposed a similar hypothesis regarding these are 1513 01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:00.399 some of them there were some level of something blood 1514 01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:02.840 with how they get connected to folks, but there were 1515 01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:07.720 some some function with dogs at their high they had 1516 01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:10.439 higher concentration of some chemical release in the bonding. I 1517 01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:14.960 think she she she had a very I'm doing a 1518 01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:17.920 horrible job. She had a very scientific explanation for these things. 1519 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:20.199 So sounds very I think. I think that is. I 1520 01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:22.000 think what you're saying is kind of in that line 1521 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:23.920 with that as well. 1522 01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:29.880 Yeah, I think so. And uh, I remember that Mary 1523 01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:34.319 Terry brought up the Stanley Baker, right, the cannibal who who? 1524 01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:38.439 That always blew me away because this was all in 1525 01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:42.119 kind of context. The context was describing these these further 1526 01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:45.840 underground chapters that of the process and spin off groups 1527 01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:48.600 that were kind of using other names at the time, 1528 01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:52.640 but were being well established and in all throughout California 1529 01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:59.800 very basically and and and they were finding basically, these 1530 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:02.920 are authorities began to find all of these mutilated and 1531 01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:09.079 decapitated or exsanguinated dogs is what was being discovered, and so. 1532 01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:11.720 Al you know, I always challenged folks who question these things. 1533 01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:14.560 I'm like, just go on, look at newspaper searches specifically 1534 01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:17.600 for Putnam in Westchester County in the seventies. You're gonna 1535 01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:20.880 find an inordinate, just a wild amount of you know, 1536 01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:23.399 forty dead German shepherds found at one time. I think 1537 01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:27.039 it is one newspaper article, right, one, like, you know, 1538 01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:29.439 the remains of forty dead German shepherds, right. 1539 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:33.800 Yeah, yeah. And that's what really was so crazy about 1540 01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:36.680 Detective Rothstein being tipped off by his CI, by his 1541 01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:39.439 criminal informant at the time, because he shows up in 1542 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:42.640 Untermeyer and he just discovers this mass grave of German 1543 01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:48.800 shepherd dogs and instantly I believe there was a there 1544 01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:52.159 was a building that was affiliated with the process, the 1545 01:22:52.199 --> 01:22:55.560 local chapter, that was very near that area where he 1546 01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:59.159 discovered that mass grave of German shepherds that were near 1547 01:22:59.239 --> 01:23:01.800 the area of the Devil's Cave, which made a lot 1548 01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:05.960 of sense, especially because out of the car household, it 1549 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:08.520 did seem like there was some sort of intelligence operation 1550 01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:11.560 being conducted through through the car household that that were 1551 01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:14.600 connected to you know, John Carr and and they were 1552 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:18.279 all connected into the Magical Child Book Bookshop or whatever 1553 01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:21.039 it was called that that John Markham was a part of. 1554 01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:23.800 I think at a certain level if I remember, he 1555 01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:26.399 was actually a part of that business that was being 1556 01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:29.039 ran through that bookshop, which I thought was interesting. 1557 01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:31.960 That's interesting because Burka Witz identify as Herman Slater or 1558 01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:33.800 the owner of that bookshop, as a member of the 1559 01:23:34.079 --> 01:23:38.640 process and the children offshoot of the process. And you know, 1560 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:41.720 Maury Terry would famously go on TV, you know, debating 1561 01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:44.520 Herman Slator numbers. You know, Mary Poevitch kind of shows 1562 01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:47.159 their in early nineties. You know, Herman Slator was like, oh, 1563 01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:49.319 it's all satanic panic. Well, now you can see why 1564 01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:51.199 he's saying it's all satanic panic. And I wonder, if 1565 01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:53.039 you know, I wonder at what point in time Maury 1566 01:23:53.159 --> 01:23:55.000 was like, what the fuck? I knew that asshole was 1567 01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:56.920 a member of the cult. But you know, before we 1568 01:23:56.960 --> 01:23:58.520 got back to Mark kam here in the eighties and 1569 01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:00.840 the McDonald case and Gunderson. While we're on the Atlanta 1570 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:04.600 child killing stuff, you know, uh well, and also on 1571 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:08.319 the on the cars, you know, Dana uh Rodning Jules 1572 01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:11.560 has done his great job at documenting the scientology connections, 1573 01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:14.119 not just Michael with the cars and asking, you know, 1574 01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:16.239 bringing up some legitimate questions around some of those some 1575 01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:19.520 of those activities there with the the the Answering Service, 1576 01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:20.000 et cetera. 1577 01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:21.239 Book. Yeah. 1578 01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:23.319 And in regards to Atlanta, are you familiar this is 1579 01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:26.640 actually from her way back machine files. She's got less 1580 01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:28.439 than our link tree. Have you familiar with this report 1581 01:24:28.920 --> 01:24:32.079 from the Kelly Private Detective Company. I'll make it bigger 1582 01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:34.640 in regards to the Atlanta and the comparisons of the 1583 01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:36.920 Atlanta child killings and the Son of Sam murders, since 1584 01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:37.800 we were talking about both. 1585 01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:40.000 I don't think I've seen this blung this up. 1586 01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:45.680 It's called that, isn't it. It's called the U. Let 1587 01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:49.680 me see I get a bigger Here we go the g. 1588 01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:51.960 Kelly and this is the cover letter for the report. 1589 01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:53.560 We'll go over some of the details. This is the 1590 01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:57.039 March of nineteen eighty two. So this is like right 1591 01:24:57.079 --> 01:24:58.920 at the end of the Atlanta child killings, right, what 1592 01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:00.920 was the what was the dates? 1593 01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:04.560 Yeah, that's that is exactly the dates. I mean, honestly, 1594 01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:07.960 if you as far as it was seventy nine to 1595 01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:11.800 eighty one. So yeah, that's that's perfect timing, you know 1596 01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:14.119 what I mean. So apparently this g Kellan Associates. It 1597 01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:15.880 is a big kind of a corporate kind of PI 1598 01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:18.720 firm situation. I used to run a PI firm, but 1599 01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:22.680 it was just makes it's nothing comparatively speaking, but in 1600 01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:25.800 close please find an addendum to our original report on 1601 01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:29.760 the Atlanta child murders. Our office is constantly receiving and 1602 01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:32.800 developing new information relating to all aspects of this case, 1603 01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:35.159 including videotapes which will be of interest to you. 1604 01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:38.560 So apparently they were hired to, you know, to investigate 1605 01:25:38.840 --> 01:25:41.319 the Alan child mergers. And again this is a firm 1606 01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:44.600 out of Kingston, New York, so you got in again. 1607 01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:47.279 They were in their report they compare the it's on 1608 01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:50.439 the same end Atlanta child mergers. I'm sure Mary Terry 1609 01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:53.079 was connected with these folks contemporary to this time. But 1610 01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:55.520 I'm just saying, like it's new information for many people, 1611 01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:55.880 you know. 1612 01:25:55.960 --> 01:25:59.680 Oh yeah, yeah, no doubt. And when you consider the 1613 01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:03.159 fact that you have that the Satanic cult connection to 1614 01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:06.720 the process came up with Shirley McGill, that was the 1615 01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:11.760 the interesting tie in vehicle. Shirley McGill, she's a Miami 1616 01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:17.039 drug informant, criminal informant. She is the one who basically 1617 01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:21.399 claims that there is this through Parnell Trey him is 1618 01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:25.119 essentially she had a boyfriend who was tied into not 1619 01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:28.159 only was he abducting children and kidnapping children for the 1620 01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:31.800 local chapter of the Process and tied into the Wayne 1621 01:26:31.800 --> 01:26:34.079 Williams network, which all of this. 1622 01:26:34.399 --> 01:26:36.279 Which is really just Michael theevis right. 1623 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:40.079 Exactly, which is really just Don David Norman's Odyssey Foundation 1624 01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:42.319 in many ways as well, because that was a huge 1625 01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:45.680 facet of kind of I think that's a massive tie 1626 01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:50.560 in to the pedophile underworld kind of linking John Wayne 1627 01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:55.319 Gacy pill Phil Paski, who very much yeah, who knew. 1628 01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:58.600 As Brown Jim Rawstein's source that took him to enter 1629 01:26:58.680 --> 01:26:59.199 Meyer Park. 1630 01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:03.319 Brother Paul Banassi from the Franklin Scandal claims that John 1631 01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:07.000 Wayne Gacy and Phil Paski were entirely implicated in the 1632 01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:11.079 abduction of Johnny Gosh, which ties in obviously Jacob Wetterling 1633 01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:13.680 all these paper boy the paper boy fetish that was 1634 01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:18.199 apparently this was so the paper boy fetish I forgot. 1635 01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:20.239 That would not surprise me. If the network of these 1636 01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:23.079 folks is really that small, people are like, oh, those 1637 01:27:23.079 --> 01:27:25.800 are household serial killer names. There's no way they're all involved. 1638 01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:28.399 But yeah, but that's why their household serial killer names. 1639 01:27:28.439 --> 01:27:30.279 You can sell all the actual narratives to what's going 1640 01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:33.960 on here right there next next to former magician there, 1641 01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:36.239 he would think would agree with Probably that's all part 1642 01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:38.439 of the magic show right now on this false narrative, right, 1643 01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:41.800 real details, real people, false narrative surrounding it to packaging 1644 01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:44.039 improperly so you'll never understand. 1645 01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:47.520 That's what I think. Besides the legal stuff that the 1646 01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:49.680 Process Church is doing, I think the occult side of 1647 01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:52.680 that is also helping sell a different image to the 1648 01:27:52.680 --> 01:27:57.720 public of what's really going on for that love magicians do. 1649 01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:02.000 Oh man, I've seen many different claims. Now, I do 1650 01:28:02.119 --> 01:28:08.399 believe that there's obviously, uh you know, a major at 1651 01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:11.920 least there is definitely a group of individuals involved and 1652 01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:15.640 faffiliated with the cult networks that that obviously believe this 1653 01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:20.359 ideology and practice this philosophy and truly genuinely authentically or 1654 01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:26.000 are pursuing, you know, these principles, but these occult principles. 1655 01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:29.239 But I also definitely believe that there's an aspect of 1656 01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:32.520 this that is that is provided for deliberate deception that 1657 01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:37.319 is attempted to kind of throw the average individual and 1658 01:28:37.359 --> 01:28:39.520 the public the the you know, the just as far 1659 01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:43.880 as the uh, the mass public is concerned. The general public, 1660 01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:46.800 you know, they will view this miss it at face 1661 01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:49.479 value because it seems so extraordinary. 1662 01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:51.600 Yeah, you know what, I think they're so good at 1663 01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:54.119 it now that they make money off of the bullshit 1664 01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:55.920 story that they're even selling to the public. 1665 01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:58.319 For sure. Oh yeah, Nix's done a good job at tracking. 1666 01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:01.439 That's he's on the something of that for sure. And 1667 01:29:01.520 --> 01:29:03.479 it makes sense because that is, that is my opinion 1668 01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:06.960 how the process functions economically speaking, And you know, I 1669 01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:08.479 don't want to I don't want to go on a 1670 01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:12.239 weird economic tangent here for everyone else's it's fucking boring. 1671 01:29:12.319 --> 01:29:15.920 But listen to my esso terrapor of the film and 1672 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:18.359 Hair Advice, and I describe how the film and hair 1673 01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:21.279 advice is describing the process and the economic ass I love. 1674 01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:24.800 Inherent avice actually like the Paul Thomas Anderson is one 1675 01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:28.680 of my favorite directors of all time. Now I'm not 1676 01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:32.600 at all, you know, kind of like giving a character 1677 01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:35.600 analysis of who I think he might potentially be as 1678 01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:38.600 an individual, But I do think that his art work, like. 1679 01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:41.640 I need my approach is that in way like I 1680 01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:43.720 like to watch Tom Cruise play. It's all man who 1681 01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:48.279 knows how to fight on right. He's often. 1682 01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:53.880 Right, Oh dude, Magnolia. That's one of my favorite all 1683 01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:58.479 time roles of Tom Cruise. He's just giving seminars on 1684 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:00.960 how to be the most the drimp piece of ship 1685 01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:05.239 mail that you can possibly attempt to be combat to 1686 01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:06.239 the point where they make this. 1687 01:30:06.199 --> 01:30:09.199 A utilitarian literal you know, literal term of the process 1688 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:13.000 is utilitarian speaking, and they don't. There's not a portion 1689 01:30:13.079 --> 01:30:14.800 of the hog that's not unused. They use all of 1690 01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:17.399 the hog. That's how That's how I say it. So Yeah, 1691 01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.399 for example, with the phone and mar advice, you see them. 1692 01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:23.720 The same cult that's bringing that has infiltrated the political 1693 01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:28.479 and law enforcement aspects of Los Angeles has now also imported. 1694 01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:32.479 All this heroin has now instituted the whole system in 1695 01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:34.520 which you'll get hooked on the drugs, you'll go to 1696 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:37.319 the rehab, will fix your teeth once all the calcium 1697 01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:40.159 you know, gets you know, sucked out like a vampire 1698 01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:42.479 from the heroin, right, and then they'll repeat the whole 1699 01:30:42.479 --> 01:30:45.119 process again, the literal process, right, And that is the 1700 01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:48.720 goal that they described. So Paul Thomas Anderson wrote that 1701 01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:55.039 Thomas Penner filmed director screenplay. Thomas Pinchin wrote it, pardon me, 1702 01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:58.399 not contemporary to the Manson Family murders, but he lived 1703 01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:01.039 in Los Angeles at that time during the Mainson Family 1704 01:31:01.079 --> 01:31:04.319 murders and subsequent trials. So and if you notice in there, 1705 01:31:04.359 --> 01:31:06.880 he embeds so much Manson lore and other things in there, 1706 01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:09.600 and they're always referencing the Manson family various times. So 1707 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:12.119 what I think again is the esotary understanding of that 1708 01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:14.279 is he's describing the process to folks and how it 1709 01:31:14.319 --> 01:31:18.079 really works. That's the mob, it's the cops, it's the politicians, right, 1710 01:31:18.119 --> 01:31:20.000 you know what I mean. And it's the economic he's 1711 01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:22.640 describing the economy aspects of it, right, right. 1712 01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:25.760 Dude, That sequence of Martin short as the dentist as 1713 01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:28.560 the dentist and he goes into the then they get 1714 01:31:28.600 --> 01:31:30.640 pulled over by the cops. It's one of the funniest 1715 01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:33.079 scenes honestly that I can remember. 1716 01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:35.840 Oh dude, that movie is so brilliant. I'm so glad. 1717 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:37.520 I'm still glad to know you've seen that you enjoy it, 1718 01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:39.880 because I've only ever met one other person and that's right, 1719 01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:42.079 the person you got compared to at the beginning of 1720 01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:45.119 this here at tonight's show alsin Recluse, mister steven Snyder. 1721 01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:47.800 He also shares an affinity of this film and that, 1722 01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:49.399 in fact, that's who I've done the review with. 1723 01:31:50.039 --> 01:31:53.319 Wow, man, that's amazing. I didn't even realize, but yeah, 1724 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:55.960 it's it's a fascinating film, and I for some reason 1725 01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:58.279 I was it was very appealing to me from the 1726 01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:01.720 first moment I ever even but without any real context, 1727 01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:05.039 it was blowing my mind. And just that I had 1728 01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:08.840 a very high appreciation for the comedic value of it 1729 01:32:08.880 --> 01:32:11.039 as well, because honestly, it is very funny. 1730 01:32:11.359 --> 01:32:14.760 But it's one of it's literally my I mean, what 1731 01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:17.039 you're saying is it's just it's music, myers. It's literally 1732 01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:18.319 the same thing I think about the film, and a 1733 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:20.039 lot of people ship on the film like it's it's 1734 01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:22.920 my favorite, it's positively my favorite movie. You really exactly 1735 01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:25.439 from I guess. I was a former After I retired 1736 01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:27.399 from the Air Force, I ran a private textive agency 1737 01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:30.560 for for four years. And you know, I, you know 1738 01:32:30.600 --> 01:32:32.159 so a very like I said, at a very like 1739 01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:34.600 molecular level of my DNA, like you know, a pot 1740 01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:38.319 smoking p I detectively like, of course I'm gonna enjoy 1741 01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:39.359 that film. What are you talking about? 1742 01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:43.680 Right exactly? The fog, the fog sequence with On Wilson, 1743 01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:45.119 and it's like. 1744 01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:48.560 The whole Yeah, it's a brilliant movie. Dude made movie. 1745 01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:51.239 So what you're as we're on the subject. So you 1746 01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:54.199 see Wilson in this kind of co intel pro situation, right, 1747 01:32:54.520 --> 01:32:57.680 he's a Laurel Canyon musician who faked his death. And 1748 01:32:58.039 --> 01:32:59.479 you know he was a surf sax player, but he 1749 01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:01.680 was still a Oral Canyon musician who fakes his death. 1750 01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:04.199 And he's he's infiltrating the scene through four to at 1751 01:33:04.279 --> 01:33:06.319 least I think they show you three in the film 1752 01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:09.039 and four in the book, four different identities working for 1753 01:33:09.079 --> 01:33:11.920 the cops, working for the Colt, working for Hill, working 1754 01:33:12.199 --> 01:33:14.680 working for everybody. Right, he's got a different idea, you know. 1755 01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:17.159 And then the only person really knows the inside track 1756 01:33:17.319 --> 01:33:19.800 is just this weird, you know, random girl. Right, you 1757 01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:21.840 wouldn't think about having your knowledge, right, But she has 1758 01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:24.920 the whole picture. You know. That's the main character's girlfriend, right, 1759 01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:27.520 And she's of clearly they don't describe it, but she's 1760 01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:30.199 with her name, she's clearly of some sort of wealthy family. Right, 1761 01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:32.720 she's blue blood Leney is with her name. Right. So 1762 01:33:33.359 --> 01:33:35.520 there's a lot of stuff really embedded in that in 1763 01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:37.520 that film. But if you say, if you see him 1764 01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:39.880 as the Cohen Telpro guy, right, which is how you 1765 01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:42.279 know that's what's going on with Wilson, Then you look 1766 01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:45.279 at Doxportello, Right, he's a private detective operating out of 1767 01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:48.680 a free clinic. Right, it's Los Angeles, but operating of 1768 01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:50.479 a free clinic where he has his office. 1769 01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:53.560 Right, So he's he's clearly Operation Chaos with the CIA. 1770 01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:53.840 Right. 1771 01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:58.359 Oh yeah, dude, yeah. And then Josh Brolin's character as well, 1772 01:33:58.479 --> 01:33:59.199 which is just. 1773 01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:02.640 That's one of my favorite I'm a big Brolin fans 1774 01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:04.720 and scoonies, but that's one of my bro Let's I mean, 1775 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:08.119 he absolutely kills it. Not seeing this film at all, 1776 01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:11.199 I mean, it's ah, it is. It is obviously not 1777 01:34:11.399 --> 01:34:13.520 designed actually to be a comedy, but was also point 1778 01:34:13.560 --> 01:34:16.359 out it's it's quite. It's quite comedic very much. 1779 01:34:16.399 --> 01:34:20.079 So it's it is. And it also provides a window 1780 01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:23.600 into how clandestine operations work domestically and how they kind 1781 01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:28.199 of utilize these assets put them into position, you know, 1782 01:34:28.319 --> 01:34:31.960 once again, kind of the deliberate deception you see Owen 1783 01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:35.880 Wilson's character showing up these politically televised events and causing 1784 01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:39.319 this this right as if he's the face of political 1785 01:34:39.359 --> 01:34:42.439 dissent in this in this very fashion, and it's obviously 1786 01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:47.319 an entirely staged event, and and he himself is absolutely 1787 01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:50.479 uh you know, compromised and in a part of of 1788 01:34:50.840 --> 01:34:54.399 the performance, and and that in itself. I would like 1789 01:34:54.439 --> 01:34:56.880 to ask you guys, because I think you're both probably 1790 01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:00.159 very much kind of like attuned to this level of 1791 01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:05.199 of just the way we should kind of engage with 1792 01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:08.960 with reality itself, which is, what are your thoughts on 1793 01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:11.880 this sort of intersection that I always seem to find 1794 01:35:11.880 --> 01:35:15.880 myself at, where where it's like the intersection of culture creation, 1795 01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:22.359 social engineering, COVID intelligence, clandestine clandestine occult ideologies that are 1796 01:35:22.399 --> 01:35:27.640 clearly attempting to stay below the surface of public you know, awareness, 1797 01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:32.720 and then this strange like you have the intelligence operations 1798 01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:37.840 kind of utilizing this esoteric occult doctrine and these ideologies 1799 01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:44.199 again essentially subconsciously initiating people using various methods of deception. 1800 01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:49.960 And that is where YEA, whenever you even. 1801 01:35:49.840 --> 01:35:52.239 See like that's a great question, I know that's something 1802 01:35:52.279 --> 01:35:54.840 that can I certainly discussion. I apologize to go ahead 1803 01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:57.359 of saying we definitely talk about these subjects for sure. 1804 01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:00.760 Right whenever you see like institutions play is that unknown 1805 01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:03.680 for like you know, putting shit out there, there's always 1806 01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:06.399 like an occultists like involved. There's always like a government, 1807 01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:09.319 you know, a person attached to it. And then and 1808 01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:10.760 then like the thing is, you know, some some things 1809 01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:12.640 I do wonder about, Like I even wonder with like 1810 01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:17.239 especially with like the process, I do wonder like it's 1811 01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:18.760 like some of these like a lot of times you 1812 01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:20.640 also see like these things that they're doing on the 1813 01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:23.279 side that's like making money illegally, Like are these like 1814 01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:26.600 things that you're even doing to fund what you're doing 1815 01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:29.279 even though like I'm sure the government is a CIA 1816 01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:32.119 is someone's ready fucking funding it, you know. I just 1817 01:36:32.199 --> 01:36:33.880 I just find that weird that you always find these 1818 01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:37.920 offshoots of like them somehow making illegal money too. It's 1819 01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:38.479 very weird. 1820 01:36:38.680 --> 01:36:40.199 That's a great point that it's kind of down as 1821 01:36:40.199 --> 01:36:43.359 money laundering Iran contra operations to go with these matters, 1822 01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:45.039 and what I would again assert is kind of going 1823 01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:48.039 on with the Idaho contrace situations. But you know, when 1824 01:36:48.239 --> 01:36:50.079 I say we talked about these things offline, I mean 1825 01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:52.479 like literally like an hour, like two hours before the 1826 01:36:52.520 --> 01:36:56.359 show started. Nick and I have a conversation literally talking 1827 01:36:56.359 --> 01:36:59.319 about how there's always these occult magicians involved in all 1828 01:36:59.319 --> 01:37:02.159 these spook operas. They're the ones that are selling you 1829 01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:05.000 the magician's distraction and packaging things in the way that 1830 01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:08.800 the folks will never truly understand what really occurred there. 1831 01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:12.960 Absolutely, man, and and uh. 1832 01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:14.600 Listen to that conversation. Also, is that why you asked 1833 01:37:14.600 --> 01:37:19.680 that question? Literally like right now, literally like we talked 1834 01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:21.760 it may not even two hours, maybe been an hour 1835 01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:22.560 like that's literally. 1836 01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:24.000 No, It's nice. 1837 01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:26.039 It's nice to hear other folks reaching that kind of 1838 01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:29.079 same conclusion. With things because so really, you know, I 1839 01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:31.439 mean obviously, you know, even with the conspiracy culture, I 1840 01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:33.239 don't think I think a lot of folks will chase 1841 01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:34.319 the shiny objects, you know. 1842 01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:40.720 And that is very yeah, I think that. Yeah, I know, 1843 01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:44.560 it's it's kind of it's something that's very refreshing to 1844 01:37:44.680 --> 01:37:46.840 be able to have a conversation like this man, Like, 1845 01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:49.319 I appreciate you guys very much, because this is why 1846 01:37:49.359 --> 01:37:53.159 I started to talk to Yeah, I was so desperate 1847 01:37:53.159 --> 01:38:00.520 to have worthwhile conversations that are passionately and objectively pursuing 1848 01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:05.920 the truth, you know, like that's the ultimate objective. I 1849 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:09.000 just want to conceptually outline these things for myself to 1850 01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:11.199 where at a fundamental level where I can kind of 1851 01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:14.720 like engage with reality in a way where I feel 1852 01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:19.960 like it's it's it's it makes as far as just 1853 01:38:21.279 --> 01:38:24.319 I feel like it actually applies, you know. And and 1854 01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:29.319 that's and it's not a part of the manufactured delusion, right, 1855 01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:32.960 I want to opt out of that, and so that 1856 01:38:33.079 --> 01:38:37.920 deception alone, you know, at every level I want to reject, 1857 01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:41.119 you know. And so it's it's it's just again something 1858 01:38:41.159 --> 01:38:44.680 that breeds new life into me every chance that I 1859 01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:48.079 have to to have these conversations because it's like, man, 1860 01:38:48.119 --> 01:38:51.760 I was spinning off the planet just alone, like trying 1861 01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:56.000 to workshop these ideas and vomiting while vomiting the ideas 1862 01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:57.960 onto my wife while I'm pacing in the front room. 1863 01:38:58.119 --> 01:39:00.560 I like that. Basically that was my silent. 1864 01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.199 I mean, what you're describing also is precisely why Nick 1865 01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:07.199 and I even started this Friday show. Was you know again, 1866 01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:10.520 because we don't have any really agenda or plans. We 1867 01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:13.319 just see whatever the guests of whatever podcast host or 1868 01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:16.520 content creator we're having on that week, whatever they're interested in, 1869 01:39:16.600 --> 01:39:18.000 is usually where we kind of start off. But I 1870 01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:20.960 mean we ventured into weird territories and we're saying, you know, 1871 01:39:21.199 --> 01:39:23.000 largely where we were planning on the night because again, 1872 01:39:23.039 --> 01:39:25.039 this is all very much within the same sphere of 1873 01:39:25.079 --> 01:39:27.279 what we're talking about. That's a process term. If you 1874 01:39:27.279 --> 01:39:30.159 read their incorporation documents, the spheres of those are that's 1875 01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:33.399 their regions. But now it's great stuff. I mean, I 1876 01:39:33.880 --> 01:39:36.720 appreciate That's why again, that's why I started a podcast 1877 01:39:36.800 --> 01:39:40.760 as well. Back Actually, I just surpassed nine years despite 1878 01:39:42.399 --> 01:39:44.640 you know, I had an intermission for like two years 1879 01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:46.640 where I was only doing kind of guest appearances on 1880 01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:49.119 shows like you mentioned William Ramsey. I've been a big 1881 01:39:49.159 --> 01:39:51.399 fan of his work for many years and was a 1882 01:39:51.399 --> 01:39:53.520 frequent contributor on there for many years. In fact, he's 1883 01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:55.520 recently posted some of his old episodes where that two 1884 01:39:55.560 --> 01:39:58.560 year hiatus, we did a whole series on sci fi 1885 01:39:58.720 --> 01:40:02.000 and how that came from al Ron Hubbard's little crew, 1886 01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:04.720 where they were all members of the Agape lot, the 1887 01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:08.159 Parsons and Hubbard, and then they were all early scientologists. Yeah, 1888 01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:11.399 I did, strangely enough. I don't know Walliam heard my 1889 01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:14.640 show last two weeks ago in Operation GCD, but I 1890 01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:17.239 I did a continuation of that kind of conversation I 1891 01:40:17.239 --> 01:40:19.159 started off with him a number of years back. But 1892 01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:23.680 regarding the his DC and Marvel comics, the mcfan fiction 1893 01:40:23.760 --> 01:40:26.520 and it all comes from the same science fiction club 1894 01:40:26.560 --> 01:40:28.880 that presented all these ideas of space too. But they 1895 01:40:28.880 --> 01:40:31.119 were all they were all Theelamites, and then they were 1896 01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:34.840 all early scientologists folks, and seemingly a lot of them 1897 01:40:34.840 --> 01:40:37.560 all kid diddlers, strangely enough, which again I think goes 1898 01:40:37.600 --> 01:40:40.960 back to these kind of Crowley concepts, of which I'm 1899 01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:43.239 not saying it's all ritual magic. I'm saying, you know, 1900 01:40:44.079 --> 01:40:45.960 there is a bit of that within their you know, 1901 01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:48.199 their their thought process, that's part of their religion or 1902 01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:48.800 I think you know. 1903 01:40:49.159 --> 01:40:52.760 No doubt and and modern Babylon is how I see 1904 01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:58.640 it in many ways, And you know, man, it's it's 1905 01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:02.199 very disturbing once you kind of like realize the level 1906 01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:07.640 of of sadism involved with a lot of this underground 1907 01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:14.359 occultist Sure it's not even just the occultist framework. I 1908 01:41:14.439 --> 01:41:16.239 kind of think once again, it's like you look at 1909 01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:18.880 a Michael Lokino and the Mind War and the Psychology 1910 01:41:18.920 --> 01:41:23.520 of Victory, and you're like, is it's is the Temple 1911 01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:29.159 of Set just an intelligence cut out that to some extent. 1912 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:34.399 And parcel look go ahead, No, I was just saying, 1913 01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:36.159 it's part and parcel. Right, it's the same, That's what 1914 01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:37.720 I'm saying. I think a lot of times we get 1915 01:41:37.720 --> 01:41:39.640 too wrapped up on these names when they say they're 1916 01:41:39.680 --> 01:41:41.800 the Temple of Set, and like, well, I saw I 1917 01:41:41.800 --> 01:41:46.079 look at things fundamentally speaking, like you know, garbage GCDs 1918 01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:49.560 a garbage can dude. But you know, I also like 1919 01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:51.800 to say it's the greatest common denominator because that's how 1920 01:41:51.840 --> 01:41:54.720 I kind of look at all crime in general, but parapolitics, 1921 01:41:54.760 --> 01:41:56.920 and you know, they're doing the same ship. It's the same. 1922 01:41:56.960 --> 01:41:59.680 It's we're just now we're just you know, we're quabbling 1923 01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:02.600 over terms that they're doing the same activities and that's 1924 01:42:02.640 --> 01:42:05.039 the same business, right, And you can kind of demonstrate 1925 01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:07.119 that more with a keyno and his his daughter and 1926 01:42:07.159 --> 01:42:09.479 his son in law and they're you know, big in 1927 01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:11.920 the at least the son in law seems to be 1928 01:42:11.960 --> 01:42:14.399 big in the Neo A Process movement with his associations 1929 01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:17.279 of Boyd Rice and veneration of Charles Manson. I know 1930 01:42:17.399 --> 01:42:20.079 Dana over Rodney Jewels went deep on Nicholas s. Trek 1931 01:42:20.119 --> 01:42:22.800 the other day. I didn't I didn't even get to 1932 01:42:22.840 --> 01:42:24.560 finish all of it, but what what the parts that 1933 01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:26.920 I did listen to and watched it was some fantastic stuff. 1934 01:42:26.920 --> 01:42:28.680 And again, this is that's what I'm saying. You know, 1935 01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:30.560 that's a good example. This is part and parcel of 1936 01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:33.039 the same business. Because he's he was he was Church 1937 01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:35.920 of Satan and he was Temple said, and now he's like, 1938 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:37.960 I'm just doing my own thing and whatever. 1939 01:42:39.640 --> 01:42:41.560 From my experience in the ot O, I think that 1940 01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:45.439 there's a possibility that that CIA is some agency's involved 1941 01:42:45.479 --> 01:42:45.640 in that. 1942 01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:48.479 At this point, it's all the same stuff. So when 1943 01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:50.560 we're and look at a keyno, so we're on a keno. 1944 01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:52.079 You know, Nick, you've done a lot of work on 1945 01:42:52.199 --> 01:42:56.640 Lansdale on your sh that was kind of the predecessor, right, 1946 01:42:56.680 --> 01:42:57.239 and yeah it was. 1947 01:42:57.199 --> 01:43:00.520 A keynote before ken Yeah. 1948 01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:04.479 Yeah, that that dude had people speaking of the magic. Right. 1949 01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:06.840 Can you describe some of the Lansdale magic we're talking 1950 01:43:06.880 --> 01:43:07.880 about with deceiving people? 1951 01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:11.279 Yeah, uh, well there's a few of them. One they 1952 01:43:11.319 --> 01:43:13.079 were I don't know if it was helicopters of planes, 1953 01:43:13.079 --> 01:43:15.840 they were flying those over like these uh these villagers' 1954 01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:18.039 houses and they're like, you know, playing like all these 1955 01:43:18.039 --> 01:43:20.239 like ghosts, sounds and all these like weird noises and 1956 01:43:20.279 --> 01:43:23.439 basically telling them like if you kept on uh I 1957 01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:25.439 think housing I don't know if they're called the Husks 1958 01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:27.199 or something. There were these group of people that they 1959 01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:29.560 were considered like communists, but a lot of people say 1960 01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:31.760 they were just regular farmers money in their business, right 1961 01:43:32.279 --> 01:43:35.840 yeah that uh yeah, yeah, yeah, that if they kept 1962 01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:37.880 on housing them and protecting them, they were gonna get 1963 01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:39.640 like haunted and then this and that all this fucked 1964 01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:41.359 up ship was gonna happen. And then they hung like 1965 01:43:41.399 --> 01:43:43.479 a few people like up in the jungle like upside 1966 01:43:43.479 --> 01:43:46.359 down and bled them out and started like started a 1967 01:43:46.439 --> 01:43:50.159 rumor saying that vampires did it because they were they were, like, 1968 01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:52.520 you know, helping the people. They were painting stuff on 1969 01:43:52.560 --> 01:43:57.680 people's houses and stuff. Yeah, that's fascin they're scared of 1970 01:43:57.680 --> 01:44:00.760 the ship out of these people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's 1971 01:44:00.760 --> 01:44:02.880 what it was. They used their own folklore against them, 1972 01:44:02.920 --> 01:44:06.159 saying that like basically their own spiritual weird beliefs, like 1973 01:44:06.199 --> 01:44:08.199 you know, we have all those like small little things 1974 01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:11.600 like in certain towns and stuff. Uh, they're using that 1975 01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:13.359 like against them to like make them feel bad for 1976 01:44:13.359 --> 01:44:18.479 what they're doing. Of course it was fah. 1977 01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:20.439 Idea, you did that, right, and added his whatever his 1978 01:44:20.520 --> 01:44:22.079 weird Satanism stuff on top of that. 1979 01:44:22.159 --> 01:44:22.319 Right. 1980 01:44:22.359 --> 01:44:25.119 But then technically those guys learned from a fellow by 1981 01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:27.439 the name of Paul line Barger. So during World War 1982 01:44:27.479 --> 01:44:30.399 Two there's a guy who named Captain Paul line Barger. 1983 01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:34.640 He wrote the US Army Manual on Psychological Warfare called 1984 01:44:34.640 --> 01:44:37.960 the US Army Manual on psychological warfare, not a fancy title. 1985 01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:42.159 He was college roommates with l Ron Hubbard. He was 1986 01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:46.039 also labor later part of that same science fiction writers 1987 01:44:46.039 --> 01:44:48.920 club under the name Cordwin or Smith. Right, so we're 1988 01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:52.359 talking these matters of syops and hypnosis because the keynote 1989 01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:56.279 loved hypnosis. They were talking about antiops. So we're talking 1990 01:44:56.279 --> 01:44:58.079 about the same kind of things as far as these 1991 01:44:58.359 --> 01:44:59.840 matters of deception, right. 1992 01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:02.279 They here's of deception, my friend. That is all that 1993 01:45:02.680 --> 01:45:06.159 I consistently witnessed as far as I'm concerned, knowing the 1994 01:45:06.199 --> 01:45:10.479 fact that all of the flying Saucer mythology comes from 1995 01:45:11.359 --> 01:45:14.199 essentially the the Agape Lodge in many ways, like it 1996 01:45:14.359 --> 01:45:18.439 very much does. And that's fascinating me. Jack Parsons, cal 1997 01:45:18.520 --> 01:45:21.560 Tech rocket pioneer, high priest of the OTO you know 1998 01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:25.239 at the time and obviously until he had the falling 1999 01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:29.000 out allegedly with Alistair Crowley, which how many of these 2000 01:45:29.039 --> 01:45:32.199 falling outs are we intended to believe? Yeah, you know, 2001 01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:34.560 it's like, yeah, I don't know. I'm very much in 2002 01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:35.359 question of this. 2003 01:45:36.359 --> 01:45:38.640 I'm glad you brought that up. And and again, well 2004 01:45:38.680 --> 01:45:40.239 I not. I don't hate to keep plugging my show. 2005 01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:42.479 But I unpacked some of those false narratives around that 2006 01:45:42.520 --> 01:45:45.920 whole agape Lodge, the interactions and dates around Hubbard and 2007 01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:49.000 all these things last week on the show Operation GCD 2008 01:45:49.119 --> 01:45:51.800 lot of the DC Marvel Comics, the Limit fan fiction, 2009 01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:54.079 because you know, there's a lot of me said there 2010 01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:56.640 wen't We don't still understand. Are you familiar with the 2011 01:45:56.720 --> 01:45:58.319 name Frank Molina. 2012 01:45:58.439 --> 01:46:00.439 Yeah, yeah, I am right. 2013 01:46:00.520 --> 01:46:03.520 So then there's Parson's number two and that's Lane Maxwell's 2014 01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:05.239 sister in law's father in law. 2015 01:46:05.319 --> 01:46:09.199 Right, dude, it's never ending. And this is another reason why, 2016 01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:12.600 like you looked at im Ran Contra, Iran Contra is 2017 01:46:12.640 --> 01:46:15.000 really just kind of like a branch of this network. 2018 01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:16.439 Like it truly. 2019 01:46:16.159 --> 01:46:22.560 Is the window in network. It's fascinating exactly. Glayne Maxwell's sister. 2020 01:46:23.399 --> 01:46:25.000 Oh no, for sure, let's let's put a pin in 2021 01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:26.640 a keynot and four, Brad, because we're going to circle 2022 01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:30.079 back there through Idaho Contrary here, So please, yeah, continue 2023 01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:31.640 on that. I'm not trying to thought that this is. 2024 01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:33.800 I know that I ran Contras and off shoot with 2025 01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:36.760 the same activities because we see a focus of Mary 2026 01:46:36.800 --> 01:46:38.800 Terry's Ultimate Evil Book as a fellow by the name 2027 01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:43.279 of cocaine. Bob Evans not mine. I'm just wishes of 2028 01:46:43.319 --> 01:46:46.640 the dead cocaine. Bob is Coollly a major figure in 2029 01:46:46.680 --> 01:46:50.600 the process in Los Angeles right his business partner for 2030 01:46:50.640 --> 01:46:54.479 the cocaine trafficking surrounding the murder of royd Raydon and 2031 01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:57.920 known as the Cotton Club murders, was known as Laney 2032 01:46:58.199 --> 01:47:01.159 Laney Jacobs, but her real name was Karen Greenberger. She 2033 01:47:01.359 --> 01:47:04.119 was the wife of the Meddi he and cartels number 2034 01:47:04.119 --> 01:47:05.079 one dude in America. 2035 01:47:05.359 --> 01:47:08.439 Yeah, you kill him, you man, You're not familiar with 2036 01:47:08.439 --> 01:47:11.680 this narrative, So I'm aware of so many of the 2037 01:47:11.720 --> 01:47:16.199 other details, like like Bill Menzer Manson two being obviously 2038 01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:18.199 is the hit man for Roy Raiden and and and 2039 01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:19.279 very important factor. 2040 01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:24.199 Yeah yeah, I'm working for what Larry Fink or not Larry. 2041 01:47:23.960 --> 01:47:28.359 Fink, Larry Flint, Larry Flynn. Yeah yeah, I unpack all 2042 01:47:28.399 --> 01:47:31.600 these details. Folks can understand that the storyline that also 2043 01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:34.560 is describing in the film Dragnet, the nineteen eighty seven 2044 01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:37.880 comedy masterpiece Dragnant during dan Akroyd and Tom Hanks, these 2045 01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:42.199 these details they literally have essentially Bill Menzer in the film, 2046 01:47:42.439 --> 01:47:47.840 He's uh played by Jacko Hallerhan, Dude, that is so crazy. 2047 01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:51.520 You know that uh Arles Perry right, the Arlest Perry 2048 01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:54.920 murder that happened on on Berkeley campus, right in in 2049 01:47:55.000 --> 01:47:59.920 the uh uh uc Berkeley's chapel, right where she's ritual 2050 01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:03.000 basically murdered. There's like a candle inserted into a vagina 2051 01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:06.520 and like the an ice pick on the back, I believe, 2052 01:48:06.560 --> 01:48:10.600 And then she she was spread out in a specific 2053 01:48:10.640 --> 01:48:13.680 way where she was basically a symbol and a cult. 2054 01:48:14.600 --> 01:48:17.720 It was wasn't a neo pagan symbol like the Delphi murders, 2055 01:48:17.760 --> 01:48:21.680 but it was very similar. And uh and and knowing 2056 01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:27.760 the security guard right who did the rounds, Stephen Crawford, 2057 01:48:27.800 --> 01:48:31.640 he seems to be a somewhat indicated or implicated as 2058 01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:34.560 far as being at the very least he had Mary 2059 01:48:34.640 --> 01:48:38.960 Terry's book opened up on his on a desk when 2060 01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:42.279 when the authorities came what thirty years later to attempt 2061 01:48:42.319 --> 01:48:45.960 to follow up with him as a key suspect, and 2062 01:48:46.600 --> 01:48:49.119 when they're at his door, which to me seems like 2063 01:48:49.560 --> 01:48:54.800 very much a convenient manufactured mythological tool to facilitate the 2064 01:48:54.840 --> 01:48:56.640 cover up, because I kind of feel like. 2065 01:48:58.319 --> 01:49:02.039 Maybe they don't talk too is exactly an area that 2066 01:49:02.079 --> 01:49:04.520 did not want that fellow talking exactly. 2067 01:49:04.680 --> 01:49:07.800 That's what I view as that is the potential reality there. 2068 01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:11.640 But you look even further into right, Bruce Perry was 2069 01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:14.640 Arles Perry's husband at the time. She's nineteen, right, I 2070 01:49:14.640 --> 01:49:17.399 think she's very young and uh, and he's very young 2071 01:49:17.479 --> 01:49:20.680 as well. He's covered in blood. When the authorities find him, 2072 01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:23.479 he claims he had a nose bleed, and it turns 2073 01:49:23.479 --> 01:49:27.199 out Bruce Perry later on, Yeah, that's William Menser, right. 2074 01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:30.039 I luck finding photographs of him, not from the newspaper 2075 01:49:30.039 --> 01:49:31.960 and not from his one mug shop from two thousand 2076 01:49:32.399 --> 01:49:34.640 they don't have. You can find his name in the 2077 01:49:34.640 --> 01:49:38.119 prison system, him and Greenberger both, but they they ain't 2078 01:49:38.119 --> 01:49:41.319 got no photos of either. It's been erased. You know 2079 01:49:41.399 --> 01:49:44.239 what's crazy though, with the way he said poof, we 2080 01:49:44.239 --> 01:49:47.039 don't need any more Bill Menser, we don't need you 2081 01:49:47.079 --> 01:49:48.479 don't need to learn about these things. 2082 01:49:48.520 --> 01:49:51.640 By the way he was he was tied into what 2083 01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:54.720 it was either Magic Island or the Wonderland Club. 2084 01:49:54.840 --> 01:49:57.359 I think it was the Magic Gastle I believe, or no, 2085 01:49:57.520 --> 01:49:59.279 you're right now, magic Magic Onland. I think it was 2086 01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:02.000 the Magic Island, the New Sport Place, right, Yeah, in 2087 01:50:02.119 --> 01:50:02.920 Newport Beach. 2088 01:50:03.079 --> 01:50:06.039 This was a network where they were they they were 2089 01:50:06.119 --> 01:50:12.279 facilitating snuff films. Roy Raiden apparently he ordered uh specifically 2090 01:50:12.479 --> 01:50:14.880 the Stacey Moskowitz I think was the one that of 2091 01:50:14.920 --> 01:50:18.000 the Son and Son of Sam David Burkewitz murders. That 2092 01:50:18.119 --> 01:50:21.039 was ordered by Roy Rayden for snuff film purposes. Which 2093 01:50:21.079 --> 01:50:23.560 was why the van was stationed outside of the murder 2094 01:50:23.600 --> 01:50:25.960 scene because they had a tripod in there and they 2095 01:50:25.960 --> 01:50:29.279 were actually filming it for the enterprise. And that's another 2096 01:50:29.399 --> 01:50:32.520 facet of this that again snuff films and urban myth, 2097 01:50:32.600 --> 01:50:35.239 right were intended to believe that this is which is 2098 01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:39.279 obviously at this point we all know that these these exist. 2099 01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:43.600 And and beyond that, Man North Fox Island proved the 2100 01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:47.520 Francis Sheldon network that you know, and and and John 2101 01:50:47.560 --> 01:50:51.439 David Norman and the Odyssey Foundation they were running, you know, 2102 01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:55.680 the advertising the Delta Project, which was just another name 2103 01:50:55.800 --> 01:51:00.239 for the Odyssey Foundation, John David Norman's network of a 2104 01:51:00.239 --> 01:51:04.359 abducting children and trafficking them for sexual abuse and ritualistic 2105 01:51:04.399 --> 01:51:07.720 snuff murder and all of these various uh, more than 2106 01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:11.640 that even you think about potentially organ harvesting, which is 2107 01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:13.800 something that I think people need to understand. You know. 2108 01:51:14.279 --> 01:51:16.800 There you go there, Oh hag aren't they exactly the 2109 01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:17.800 whole concept? 2110 01:51:18.239 --> 01:51:20.479 Yeah? And and so I think. 2111 01:51:20.359 --> 01:51:22.319 You're spot on there. But if i'm if I may also, 2112 01:51:22.319 --> 01:51:24.920 if I may just redirect you back to Los Angeles 2113 01:51:24.920 --> 01:51:27.920 and the cocaine, the trafficking of cocaine around Bob Cocaine 2114 01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:31.520 Evans and Karen Greenberger, who now Bob. Bob pleads the 2115 01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:33.920 fifth and the grand jury testimony despite being the first 2116 01:51:33.960 --> 01:51:37.880 witness called by the prosecution and under advisement of Robert Spirou. 2117 01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:41.600 That is this murder of what rating occurs in eighty three, right, 2118 01:51:42.119 --> 01:51:44.159 the trial. They don't get they don't get popped until 2119 01:51:44.159 --> 01:51:48.239 eighty eight. Now, this this happens six months after somebody 2120 01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:52.319 killed Karen Greenberger's husband, Larry Greenberger on their front on 2121 01:51:52.359 --> 01:51:57.039 their portion ate cocachobe. Right, And that death occurs six 2122 01:51:57.079 --> 01:52:00.720 months after Larry Greenberger is identified and the federal court 2123 01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:05.039 case against Carlos Later, the co founder with you know 2124 01:52:05.119 --> 01:52:08.920 of the Median cartel with Pablo Escobar. Carlos Later is 2125 01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:11.840 the focus of the film Blow with Johnny Depp right now. 2126 01:52:11.840 --> 01:52:14.319 He tiled that into Barry Seal and. 2127 01:52:13.840 --> 01:52:19.000 The absolutely all ties in but absolutely so Bob's doing 2128 01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:21.920 but cocaine. Bob is doing process activity in Los Angeles. 2129 01:52:21.960 --> 01:52:24.159 You know the murder wore reading right for this dude. 2130 01:52:24.239 --> 01:52:27.119 Bill Metzer is the hit man, right and in prison 2131 01:52:27.159 --> 01:52:29.800 the day right, Bob walks he pleased the fifth and 2132 01:52:29.920 --> 01:52:32.199 he you know, he walked on cocaine trafficking, walks on 2133 01:52:32.279 --> 01:52:35.840 murder stuff. All of his co you know, indicted conspirators, 2134 01:52:35.840 --> 01:52:37.720 they all are when went to prison for life. Right. 2135 01:52:37.760 --> 01:52:41.399 So this is a year after the release of Dragnets. 2136 01:52:41.439 --> 01:52:44.039 So in the film Dragnet, that's Bill Metzer. Then you 2137 01:52:44.079 --> 01:52:47.439 have Jacko Haller in here, right. They got him made 2138 01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:51.199 up strikingly similar to Bill Metzer. Jacko Hallahan's character is 2139 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:55.239 the driver in Bodyguard for a Pornographer. Bill Mitzer was 2140 01:52:55.279 --> 01:52:57.520 the driver in Bodyguard for a Pornographer. 2141 01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:00.000 Yes, Ry Flint, Larry Flint. 2142 01:53:00.920 --> 01:53:03.279 That is so crazy and it is alternated because when 2143 01:53:03.279 --> 01:53:06.079 you were talking about Wayne Williams, his boss Michael thieves 2144 01:53:06.159 --> 01:53:08.479 and whatnot, and fell a by the name of Mitch 2145 01:53:08.520 --> 01:53:10.880 Warbell who kind of floats around that circle out there. 2146 01:53:11.159 --> 01:53:11.960 He's everywhere else. 2147 01:53:12.680 --> 01:53:15.600 Mitch Warbell's murdered in Los Angeles six months before Roy Raydon, 2148 01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:19.159 apparently poisoned by Larry Flint's brother in law. 2149 01:53:21.079 --> 01:53:24.479 I'm telling you, man like this, this is a network that, yes, 2150 01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:27.600 it is far smaller in scope than I think people 2151 01:53:27.640 --> 01:53:31.039 realize so far as the usual. And that is why 2152 01:53:31.119 --> 01:53:34.039 you can kind of tie a direct line into all 2153 01:53:34.079 --> 01:53:38.600 these various scandalous cases that occurred around a similar time 2154 01:53:39.399 --> 01:53:42.399 in American history which very much seemed to spur a 2155 01:53:42.399 --> 01:53:46.479 lot of the Satanic panic, alleged mass hysteria which was 2156 01:53:46.840 --> 01:53:50.640 apparently unfounded, which obviously, in my mind was just a 2157 01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:55.239 natural reaction to true instances and examples of ritual occult 2158 01:53:55.279 --> 01:53:58.399 murder and satanic ritual abuse. You know that that has 2159 01:53:58.399 --> 01:54:01.920 been proven to have existed, even looking at a at 2160 01:54:01.920 --> 01:54:06.359 a Finder's cult connection. What the sacrifice of Henrietta and Igor, 2161 01:54:06.479 --> 01:54:09.800 the goats that they were, that they sacrificed and had 2162 01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:14.840 the children apparently one of the children cut out baby 2163 01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:17.960 goats out of it, out of the live goat's womb. 2164 01:54:18.159 --> 01:54:20.800 That's some trauma right there, right, that'll do some drama. 2165 01:54:20.800 --> 01:54:23.680 I think that's all part of it has to be. 2166 01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:26.520 You got you gotta have that trigger to induce the trauma, right. 2167 01:54:27.319 --> 01:54:30.520 It happens in varying ways and capacities. Yeah, like I said, 2168 01:54:30.520 --> 01:54:32.439 next to him's forcing folks to watch snuff films that 2169 01:54:32.560 --> 01:54:34.880 induces the trauma there, So you need that triggering device. 2170 01:54:34.920 --> 01:54:36.359 But you know, I like what we were saying. Also, 2171 01:54:36.399 --> 01:54:37.680 I just want to see if I can go back 2172 01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:39.279 here to I want to. I want I just want 2173 01:54:39.279 --> 01:54:41.279 to hammer him that point that you you're already hitting on. 2174 01:54:41.279 --> 01:54:42.520 I want to hear more of your thoughts on with this. 2175 01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:46.119 I ran counter stuff because cocaine Bob's doing business with 2176 01:54:46.159 --> 01:54:49.159 a median cartel around the Roy Raiden murder. But that 2177 01:54:49.199 --> 01:54:52.800 does not really get that recognized, right. Karen Greenberger is 2178 01:54:52.880 --> 01:54:56.119 the wife of the median cartel's number one dude. He's 2179 01:54:56.159 --> 01:54:59.039 found out in later's court case he gets pop six 2180 01:54:59.079 --> 01:55:01.680 months later. She's now the number one suspect in that murder. 2181 01:55:01.680 --> 01:55:04.520 Why she wasn't then, I don't know. But she's questioned 2182 01:55:04.520 --> 01:55:07.920 by police six months after that murder. She thinks that 2183 01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:11.479 they're talking to her about her husband's murder, right when 2184 01:55:11.560 --> 01:55:13.920 she's not thinking they're talking about Roy Radn's murder that 2185 01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:16.760 occurred five years prior, right, Yeah, and all of these 2186 01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:19.640 things are being prosecuted by a fellow by the name 2187 01:55:19.720 --> 01:55:24.119 of damn it. I just forgot his name. Charles Manson's 2188 01:55:24.119 --> 01:55:26.840 friend who solicited Charles Manson to get on the defense 2189 01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:29.359 team back in the seventy two trial of the Manson family. 2190 01:55:29.600 --> 01:55:32.640 He later became the District Attorney of Los Angeles. Not 2191 01:55:32.680 --> 01:55:36.239 Boles No he worked, he know, he was not. He 2192 01:55:36.279 --> 01:55:39.079 wasn't in the office there during Booblios's time. He was 2193 01:55:39.119 --> 01:55:42.439 a defense attorney in the Manson trial. He was friends 2194 01:55:42.439 --> 01:55:44.800 with Manson and asked Manson, sa hey give me on 2195 01:55:44.880 --> 01:55:47.600 as one of the girl's defense attorneys. I think he 2196 01:55:47.640 --> 01:55:51.039 was defending instead of me guessing. Let me just look 2197 01:55:51.039 --> 01:55:54.319 it up. It's I get his name mixed up with 2198 01:55:54.359 --> 01:55:57.159 that one serial killer from Philadelphia? Is it Ira Einhorn, 2199 01:55:58.079 --> 01:56:03.000 Is it Ira Aker or something? Is Ira Reiner from 2200 01:56:03.079 --> 01:56:05.760 rally District Attorney Ira Ryner. So he was one of 2201 01:56:05.840 --> 01:56:09.119 Manson's personal friends. For you know, Manton had a litany 2202 01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:12.920 of weird friends, right, I guess. But he was the 2203 01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:15.479 Los Angeles City attorney from eighty one to eighty four 2204 01:56:15.479 --> 01:56:18.000 in the district you gotta Electric District attorney from eighty 2205 01:56:18.039 --> 01:56:21.479 four to ninety two. So let's let's play a trivia 2206 01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:24.039 game here this late in the show. Here, Austin, keep 2207 01:56:24.079 --> 01:56:27.920 everybody on our feet, including yourself. Can you name the weird, 2208 01:56:28.039 --> 01:56:31.760 parapolitical and or satanic crimes that occurred in Los Angeles 2209 01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:36.960 between the years of nineteen eighty four in nineteen eighty two? Man, 2210 01:56:37.279 --> 01:56:38.760 I don't have to name them all, but let's just say, 2211 01:56:38.760 --> 01:56:40.039 you know, take a couple of stabs. I bet you 2212 01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:40.840 can any good. 2213 01:56:40.680 --> 01:56:43.680 One finders Franklin McMartin. 2214 01:56:43.319 --> 01:56:47.680 Right, No, specific yeah, specifically in Los Angeles County. 2215 01:56:47.720 --> 01:56:51.159 So you got m martins in Los Angeles, Okay, McMartin. 2216 01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:54.159 So yeah, under under under Charles Manson's friends. Uh, you 2217 01:56:54.199 --> 01:56:56.880 know jurisdiction as the district attorney, right, you got mc martins. 2218 01:56:56.920 --> 01:56:59.600 It gets prosecuted or does it? Right? Because you know. 2219 01:57:01.159 --> 01:57:02.960 Interesting, I don't know. 2220 01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:06.479 That was a big satanic panic. HBO made a movie. 2221 01:57:06.600 --> 01:57:09.720 James Woods played in it. I think Oliver Stone directed it. 2222 01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:11.960 They were like, hey, this is that that helped fuel 2223 01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:12.880 the satanic panic. 2224 01:57:13.079 --> 01:57:16.399 Now this big video was turn down. McMartin wasn't bullshit, 2225 01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:16.960 was it though? 2226 01:57:17.039 --> 01:57:17.199 Right? 2227 01:57:17.319 --> 01:57:19.560 No, not at all. Yeah, and I think that even 2228 01:57:19.600 --> 01:57:23.560 having the obviously we had the seismic survey in the 2229 01:57:23.640 --> 01:57:28.239 underground uh you know survey of the tunnels that were 2230 01:57:28.279 --> 01:57:31.640 clearly filled in with with foreign dirt, you know, which 2231 01:57:31.680 --> 01:57:35.319 which obviously they had had built in tunnels to the 2232 01:57:35.439 --> 01:57:39.800 what what was described as the neighboring properties, where they 2233 01:57:39.840 --> 01:57:42.399 would then utilize as far as like, yes, they had 2234 01:57:42.520 --> 01:57:45.199 like a cult rituals underground, but for the vast majority 2235 01:57:45.239 --> 01:57:47.600 of what they used the tunnels for was to take 2236 01:57:47.640 --> 01:57:51.079 the children in in uh in real time, in in 2237 01:57:51.479 --> 01:57:53.800 you know, daylight, right when they're supposed to be at 2238 01:57:53.800 --> 01:57:57.199 the at the actual preschools. They would then kind of 2239 01:57:57.239 --> 01:58:00.000 traffick them through the underground tunnels. They would pop up 2240 01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:05.520 in a let's say, uh a near neighbor neighboring private residents. 2241 01:58:05.600 --> 01:58:08.800 They would prop apparently there was a tunnel access to 2242 01:58:08.920 --> 01:58:12.279 one of the garages where they would then be effectively 2243 01:58:12.399 --> 01:58:17.399 trafficked through the the neighboring community. And that is essentially 2244 01:58:17.399 --> 01:58:20.439 what had happened to a lot of the individual children 2245 01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:24.039 witnesses who claimed that they had had definitely been trafficked 2246 01:58:24.119 --> 01:58:29.479 at that time through neighboring garages, that that they had 2247 01:58:29.520 --> 01:58:33.840 been apparently utilizing the tunnel system for so that makes sense, 2248 01:58:33.960 --> 01:58:40.079 especially considering what was the name of the Manhattan Beach investigator, 2249 01:58:40.720 --> 01:58:43.840 Paul Binham, I think was his name, And he basically 2250 01:58:43.880 --> 01:58:46.520 went up there and to the men or to the yeah, 2251 01:58:46.600 --> 01:58:51.359 Manhattan Beach mc martin preschool property and discovered all of 2252 01:58:51.399 --> 01:58:54.680 these dead rabbit carcasses and dead turtles shells and all 2253 01:58:54.760 --> 01:58:57.800 the y oh that had been essentially sacrificed, and and 2254 01:58:57.840 --> 01:59:00.079 so he was just kind of corroborating a lot of 2255 01:59:00.079 --> 01:59:04.119 that evidence. And then it turns out just before he's 2256 01:59:04.119 --> 01:59:08.920 set to testify, he allegedly shoots himself or it commits suicide, 2257 01:59:08.920 --> 01:59:12.399 and apparently his entire family and everyone close to him 2258 01:59:12.399 --> 01:59:14.399 says that he had everything to live for, there was 2259 01:59:14.439 --> 01:59:16.199 no reason for him to have done this. He just 2260 01:59:16.239 --> 01:59:19.640 had a newborn baby. He was in every way, you know, 2261 01:59:20.720 --> 01:59:24.479 attempting to become a father and very excited about this 2262 01:59:24.479 --> 01:59:27.720 this prospect. And and Paul Bynum, it turns out that 2263 01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:33.319 you know what was on the the the initial and 2264 01:59:33.319 --> 01:59:37.800 and uh direct perpetrator's desk whenever they apprehended him and 2265 01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:41.399 found his raided his residence. On his desk where the 2266 01:59:41.439 --> 01:59:44.520 actual investigative files of a Paul Bynum who had been 2267 01:59:44.720 --> 01:59:49.119 executed but obviously allegedly committed suicide, but was the key 2268 01:59:49.119 --> 01:59:52.319 investigator who was going to testify and corroborate a lot 2269 01:59:52.319 --> 01:59:56.319 of these child victims witnesses accounts. And so again he 2270 01:59:56.479 --> 01:59:59.520 had claimed that he had had actually gone to the property, 2271 01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:02.439 found the there were tunnel systems that had been filled 2272 02:00:02.439 --> 02:00:06.479 in just recently, and that he had discovered actual carcasses 2273 02:00:06.520 --> 02:00:10.960 of ritualistically murdered uh, you know, rabbits and turtles. And 2274 02:00:11.279 --> 02:00:14.680 again he's discovered dead and uh and and there are 2275 02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:18.359 many other deaths that are connected into McMartin that happened 2276 02:00:18.399 --> 02:00:19.159 at that very time. 2277 02:00:19.279 --> 02:00:22.119 So great, that was a great explanation. You know, you 2278 02:00:22.119 --> 02:00:24.800 know where I learned about that McMartin stuff you just described. 2279 02:00:25.279 --> 02:00:26.840 When I first learned about that stuff was on the 2280 02:00:26.880 --> 02:00:30.319 Oppermen report about those tunnels and reports and everything else. 2281 02:00:30.359 --> 02:00:34.319 So once again, not the report and the history of 2282 02:00:34.399 --> 02:00:36.399 what Ed's brought to the table. So yeah, that's a 2283 02:00:36.720 --> 02:00:38.039 you know, so like you're saying, a lot of that 2284 02:00:38.039 --> 02:00:41.000 stuff is was we had the Montner's demonstible evidence produced 2285 02:00:41.000 --> 02:00:44.119 some weird deaths, and yet you know, you had Hbos 2286 02:00:44.159 --> 02:00:46.640 tell everybody, well, no, that's a that's a fake news, 2287 02:00:46.640 --> 02:00:50.039 that's a change. What's everybody, Oliver Stones to everybody that 2288 02:00:50.079 --> 02:00:53.159 didn't happen. Yeah, it was old satanic panic. 2289 02:00:53.039 --> 02:00:58.000 Which Oliver Stone is such a strange suspect as far 2290 02:00:58.039 --> 02:01:02.319 as like why you know, I understand like he doesn't 2291 02:01:02.319 --> 02:01:05.279 seem like he's operating in good faith at every instance 2292 02:01:05.279 --> 02:01:07.960 in my mind. And then just like researching about what 2293 02:01:08.000 --> 02:01:09.880 he had said to Howard Hunt when he was talking 2294 02:01:09.920 --> 02:01:14.000 to him about doing the Uh, I think it wasn't 2295 02:01:14.039 --> 02:01:18.000 the the Nixon movie. I don't think it was. I 2296 02:01:18.000 --> 02:01:19.920 think it was the JFK movie, but it might have 2297 02:01:20.000 --> 02:01:22.359 been the next movie when he had Howard Hunt that 2298 02:01:22.399 --> 02:01:24.800 he brought in personally and asked him how much would 2299 02:01:24.960 --> 02:01:26.520 would I have to pay you for you to just 2300 02:01:26.560 --> 02:01:29.000 tell me the whole story? You know? And and uh 2301 02:01:29.439 --> 02:01:34.159 still I think that even even uh what's his name 2302 02:01:34.199 --> 02:01:39.479 who played Jim Garrison and JFK? Kevin Uh, Kevin cos Yeah, 2303 02:01:39.560 --> 02:01:44.079 Kevin Costner. I heard by John Saint John Hunt, Who's 2304 02:01:44.159 --> 02:01:47.600 who's Howard Hunt's son? I heard him say. Now, of 2305 02:01:47.640 --> 02:01:51.000 course this is very much in my mind. Obviously it's 2306 02:01:51.000 --> 02:01:54.399 a bias information that as far as how it's coming towards. 2307 02:01:54.600 --> 02:01:58.399 But again, how would you approach the son of Howard Hunt. 2308 02:01:58.439 --> 02:01:59.840 I don't know. I mean you would think you would 2309 02:02:00.039 --> 02:02:02.520 would be at least somewhat respectful that if you're attempting 2310 02:02:02.520 --> 02:02:04.039 to you know, kind of like. 2311 02:02:04.600 --> 02:02:07.800 Yeah, if you want a legitimate response, better be diplomatic about. 2312 02:02:07.640 --> 02:02:10.760 It, exactly. And it seems like Kevin Costner was very 2313 02:02:10.840 --> 02:02:14.199 much in his ego and also kind of like belittling 2314 02:02:15.119 --> 02:02:18.239 Saint John Hunt and kind of like putting Howard Hunt 2315 02:02:18.279 --> 02:02:21.880 in a really difficult position. So they kind of backed 2316 02:02:21.880 --> 02:02:25.800 out of of of offering you know, kind of more 2317 02:02:25.960 --> 02:02:29.000 of the details that they would have provided otherwise, which 2318 02:02:29.039 --> 02:02:29.439 I found. 2319 02:02:29.960 --> 02:02:33.760 But still he played He does play some weird roles, 2320 02:02:33.760 --> 02:02:35.359 doesn't He does play some weird roles. 2321 02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:36.359 Absolutely. 2322 02:02:37.319 --> 02:02:39.640 Steer us back to this. I ran contra business for 2323 02:02:39.800 --> 02:02:42.439 brother Michael Loko coming out of there the McDonald murders. Right, 2324 02:02:42.479 --> 02:02:44.880 we were talking about with the you know, the processing 2325 02:02:44.880 --> 02:02:50.199 and seemingly processing Gunderson, you know, Alan Dershowitz and uh, 2326 02:02:50.640 --> 02:02:53.800 you know, of course the process attorney himself, John Markham 2327 02:02:53.960 --> 02:02:56.520 helping cover this on Tuesday. Weld's cousin Bill Will, the 2328 02:02:56.600 --> 02:02:59.159 US attorney being involved in that mix, all these folks 2329 02:02:59.159 --> 02:03:01.279 helping cover up that into this this kind of narrative, 2330 02:03:01.279 --> 02:03:05.000 it seems right. Oh yeah, as Jeffrey McDonald's still sets 2331 02:03:05.039 --> 02:03:09.479 alive and well green Beret doctor who again his professor's 2332 02:03:09.520 --> 02:03:12.359 innocence from day one, gets prosecuted I think what seven 2333 02:03:12.439 --> 02:03:14.600 years after the fact right down there Fort Bragg. 2334 02:03:14.640 --> 02:03:18.039 And you know that was really a fertility death ritual 2335 02:03:18.079 --> 02:03:20.640 in a way as well, right, It wasn't only their 2336 02:03:20.680 --> 02:03:23.800 prioritizing and targeting him because he was willing to start. 2337 02:03:24.800 --> 02:03:28.279 Basically he was described as a golden boy where he 2338 02:03:29.479 --> 02:03:32.079 which is interesting by by even the military brass at 2339 02:03:32.079 --> 02:03:34.079 the time, right, who were working at Fort Bragg, And 2340 02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:37.000 it seems that he was he was moonlighting and working 2341 02:03:37.079 --> 02:03:39.479 at another hospital. I forget how far away it was 2342 02:03:39.520 --> 02:03:40.840 from Fort Bragg at the time. 2343 02:03:40.680 --> 02:03:42.520 But yeah, it was hard charging man. He had a 2344 02:03:42.520 --> 02:03:44.479 lot of good things to said. The folks said about him, 2345 02:03:44.479 --> 02:03:44.840 for sure. 2346 02:03:45.319 --> 02:03:48.520 Yeah. Yeah, And and I mean there were two heroin 2347 02:03:48.560 --> 02:03:52.880 addicts who who brought in an individual who overdosed and 2348 02:03:52.920 --> 02:03:55.640 to to that hospital, very hospital he was moonlighting at. 2349 02:03:56.439 --> 02:03:59.840 And he had he had, you know, just kind of 2350 02:03:59.840 --> 02:04:03.399 a status quo policy in place where if this, if 2351 02:04:03.399 --> 02:04:06.680 this occurred, they would they would notify the authorities, the 2352 02:04:06.720 --> 02:04:09.920 local authorities. And so this was a huge problem because 2353 02:04:09.960 --> 02:04:13.079 the individuals who brought in this this guy who had 2354 02:04:13.119 --> 02:04:19.000 overdosed were affiliated with the local narcotics distribution aspect of 2355 02:04:19.000 --> 02:04:21.960 the covert operation being conducted Court brag at the time, 2356 02:04:22.000 --> 02:04:25.199 which were connected to what was called the cadaver connection. 2357 02:04:25.960 --> 02:04:28.600 And this was very interesting to me because I didn't 2358 02:04:28.640 --> 02:04:32.800 realize until I had stumbled across Prince Beasley, this retired Fayetteville, 2359 02:04:32.840 --> 02:04:37.640 North Carolina police detective officer who had a criminal informant 2360 02:04:37.640 --> 02:04:42.880 by the name of Helena Stokely, and she was his informant, 2361 02:04:42.880 --> 02:04:45.960 I believe, from like sixty eight to seventy two, and 2362 02:04:46.039 --> 02:04:51.920 she tells him that basically the drugs, mainly heroin, were 2363 02:04:51.960 --> 02:04:54.560 being smuggled into the US and the body cavities of 2364 02:04:54.600 --> 02:04:58.479 these dead soldiers from Vietnam, these drugs were being brought 2365 02:04:58.479 --> 02:05:01.640 into the country and US Army planes and UH and 2366 02:05:01.680 --> 02:05:04.880 basically that there there was a way that they would 2367 02:05:05.720 --> 02:05:09.800 uh the tags that were on these these coffins was 2368 02:05:09.840 --> 02:05:13.000 how the you know, the the individuals would actually who 2369 02:05:13.000 --> 02:05:16.560 were the assets that were operating this, you know, helping 2370 02:05:16.560 --> 02:05:21.119 facilitate this this domestic drug smuggling operation. They would meet 2371 02:05:21.159 --> 02:05:24.079 the coffins and and effectively they would know which one 2372 02:05:24.079 --> 02:05:26.720 were actually holding the heroin that were coming out of 2373 02:05:26.880 --> 02:05:30.319 what the Golden Triangle, but also Thailand I think at 2374 02:05:30.319 --> 02:05:32.039 the time as well. 2375 02:05:32.520 --> 02:05:34.800 And so you and I, if I may interject there, Alston, 2376 02:05:34.840 --> 02:05:37.520 these these allegations around these same style of operations you're 2377 02:05:37.520 --> 02:05:40.560 describing have been alleged around Minor Air Force Base and 2378 02:05:40.640 --> 02:05:43.399 John Carr and that on the same situation, yep. 2379 02:05:43.479 --> 02:05:46.199 Exact same thing. They said that, By the way, that's 2380 02:05:46.199 --> 02:05:50.279 a crazy story because uh, I discovered that what's what's 2381 02:05:50.319 --> 02:05:54.199 her name, Donna Laurier and Jody Valenti, uh the the 2382 02:05:54.520 --> 02:05:59.359 the Bronx victims who were so one of the possible 2383 02:05:59.439 --> 02:06:06.439 motives for for the argument, yeah, nice. One of the 2384 02:06:06.479 --> 02:06:09.359 possible motives for the targeting of Donna Lauria and Jody 2385 02:06:09.439 --> 02:06:12.760 validity in the Bronx and in seventy six was basically 2386 02:06:12.800 --> 02:06:17.640 because Lauria was an ambulance technician who might have become 2387 02:06:17.680 --> 02:06:21.399 aware of a drug ring involving the newgan Han Bank 2388 02:06:21.479 --> 02:06:23.960 that imported Golden Triangle Heroin into the US. 2389 02:06:24.039 --> 02:06:26.960 Are you serious? I swear to God so that I 2390 02:06:27.000 --> 02:06:29.600 did not know that. I did not know that termination 2391 02:06:29.800 --> 02:06:32.239 right and there and there we are back to Idaho, 2392 02:06:32.720 --> 02:06:37.039 more drug trafficking, these processed satanic crimes right and around 2393 02:06:37.039 --> 02:06:39.119 all of these, and then we're back to Ida. Had 2394 02:06:39.159 --> 02:06:41.479 a newgan Hand Bank, aren't we? Because John Michael Hand 2395 02:06:41.600 --> 02:06:45.760 green Beret, used to work for Lansdale and the was 2396 02:06:45.760 --> 02:06:49.359 that the military assistance or whatever you component over there 2397 02:06:49.600 --> 02:06:53.720 you're doing those operations Nick that you described. John Michael 2398 02:06:53.720 --> 02:06:56.600 Hann was a major figure in those Lansdale operations you described, 2399 02:06:56.640 --> 02:06:57.399 and then he would go. 2400 02:06:57.399 --> 02:06:57.680 On to. 2401 02:06:59.399 --> 02:07:01.479 What did you do? Started a bank, the newgan Hand Bank, 2402 02:07:01.520 --> 02:07:02.000 isn't that right? 2403 02:07:02.039 --> 02:07:05.520 Awesome? Yeah? Yeah, and uh and if you realize what was. 2404 02:07:05.520 --> 02:07:07.800 What was the new Hand Bank and what happened to it? 2405 02:07:08.520 --> 02:07:12.359 This is crazy. So in seventy three, Frank Nougan and 2406 02:07:12.840 --> 02:07:17.119 this Australian lawyer and Michael Hand, who was a former 2407 02:07:17.159 --> 02:07:21.399 CIA contract operative, they established the newgan Hand Bank. And 2408 02:07:21.479 --> 02:07:24.279 this is just fascinating to me because the newgan Han 2409 02:07:24.359 --> 02:07:28.800 Bank was involved in helping the CIA in covert arms deals, 2410 02:07:28.840 --> 02:07:32.960 with contracts and contacts with Angola which again keep in 2411 02:07:33.000 --> 02:07:36.640 mind Jonestown, Right, Dan Golan Rebels trained at the Jonestown site, 2412 02:07:36.640 --> 02:07:39.039 which was a black site to begin with, to train 2413 02:07:39.119 --> 02:07:43.279 up Thean Golan Rebels operations line. It's just ridiculous to me. 2414 02:07:43.319 --> 02:07:46.520 And and so again we just have another perfect example 2415 02:07:46.560 --> 02:07:50.760 of how Iran Contra was just a branch that the 2416 02:07:51.399 --> 02:07:54.920 you know, kind of like a it just evolved. You know, 2417 02:07:55.039 --> 02:07:58.479 it was already a playbook very much, you know, being utilized, 2418 02:07:58.920 --> 02:08:01.880 and it effect actively evolved over time and became a 2419 02:08:01.960 --> 02:08:04.199 Ran contra of course, but that was only a window 2420 02:08:04.760 --> 02:08:07.840 into one of the scandals that it really was. 2421 02:08:08.000 --> 02:08:11.039 Where you go, yeah, that we see it a rup 2422 02:08:11.079 --> 02:08:12.960 to the surface and we call it an Iran conc 2423 02:08:13.000 --> 02:08:14.600 where we think we understand it. But what a you're 2424 02:08:14.600 --> 02:08:16.880 describing is we own a fucking clue because it's still 2425 02:08:16.880 --> 02:08:19.039 going on today, right we were just so they element 2426 02:08:19.119 --> 02:08:23.039 are describing Fort Bragg Special Forces money laundering, large scale 2427 02:08:23.119 --> 02:08:26.199 drug trafficking, right, probably some gun trafficking, maybe some human 2428 02:08:26.239 --> 02:08:28.720 stuff there in the mix. All of these things are 2429 02:08:28.800 --> 02:08:32.560 surrounding these Idaho for murders that occurred on November thirteenth, 2430 02:08:32.600 --> 02:08:37.600 twenty twenty two. Right, Wow, they're all fraternity and sorority students, 2431 02:08:37.640 --> 02:08:40.359 and there's the Greek cultures up there are long steeped 2432 02:08:40.359 --> 02:08:43.439 in the large scale drug trafficking network. I would allege 2433 02:08:43.439 --> 02:08:46.479 they were possibly laundering their money at a FTX owned 2434 02:08:47.159 --> 02:08:51.000 a small rural bank where I got where they were 2435 02:08:51.119 --> 02:08:54.239 washing the money cash for crypto, right, so he's San 2436 02:08:54.359 --> 02:08:57.079 Bankmin Freed partnered up with a so San Bankman Free 2437 02:08:57.600 --> 02:09:00.000 files bankruptcy on November eleventh. 2438 02:09:00.560 --> 02:09:01.680 You mean did he sellmate? 2439 02:09:03.039 --> 02:09:05.840 Well, you're sir, you're about to give me. You're about 2440 02:09:05.840 --> 02:09:07.319 to get his loss in it. I will, I will 2441 02:09:07.319 --> 02:09:09.439 go for another hour on these connections with Diddy. Sam 2442 02:09:09.479 --> 02:09:12.680 Bankers created the same attorneys, you know, you know, the 2443 02:09:12.720 --> 02:09:14.800 one of the lawyers prosecuting the case that used to 2444 02:09:14.840 --> 02:09:17.359 work for the now University of Idaho president for this 2445 02:09:17.399 --> 02:09:20.319 weird firm that was doing the merger between Bidan's and 2446 02:09:20.439 --> 02:09:23.319 FTX that fell out on November ninth, And then on 2447 02:09:23.399 --> 02:09:28.239 November eleventh, FTX files bankruptcy, emergency bankruptcy. The whole world 2448 02:09:28.319 --> 02:09:30.680 finds out that they bought the small mural bank. Everyone 2449 02:09:30.760 --> 02:09:34.000 loses their ship, you know, in any regulatory position. The 2450 02:09:34.039 --> 02:09:36.560 bank sees six weeks later for money laundering. You know, 2451 02:09:37.079 --> 02:09:39.560 his partner in that bank is a creepy French fella 2452 02:09:39.680 --> 02:09:42.720 out of the Bahamas and a different bank. He's got 2453 02:09:42.760 --> 02:09:45.640 direct connections back to b CCI and the Iran country. 2454 02:09:46.079 --> 02:09:49.399 There you go, that's not the only Iran contra scandal 2455 02:09:49.439 --> 02:09:51.479 connects to Idaho, though. I'll give you another one a second. 2456 02:09:51.520 --> 02:09:56.479 So that creepy French fella also invented the cartoon inspector gadget. 2457 02:09:57.000 --> 02:10:01.159 Wow, I keep I still think that. I still think that, 2458 02:10:01.439 --> 02:10:05.640 Uh that's a that that inspected gadget might possibly be 2459 02:10:05.840 --> 02:10:09.199 Uh who was that that MK ultra scientist got Leab? 2460 02:10:09.439 --> 02:10:11.359 Oh? Oh really I didn't know that. 2461 02:10:11.880 --> 02:10:16.039 Yeah, because Gottlieb had a door named Penny anything, they called. 2462 02:10:15.840 --> 02:10:18.239 Him what the Black Sorcerer or something. Yeah. 2463 02:10:18.720 --> 02:10:21.279 Yeah. The thing is he he was making gadgets before 2464 02:10:21.319 --> 02:10:24.079 he started making those cocktails that was like supposedly gonna 2465 02:10:24.159 --> 02:10:26.199 kill someone because they smoked a cigar or got fucking 2466 02:10:26.239 --> 02:10:29.479 jabbed in the ass with Yeah, Like he was making 2467 02:10:29.479 --> 02:10:31.800 all like these like there was basically almost like ship 2468 02:10:31.880 --> 02:10:35.319 from uh that double seven? What was mission impossible? With 2469 02:10:35.319 --> 02:10:37.720 all these fucking crazy gadget shits. That's what that guy 2470 02:10:37.840 --> 02:10:40.920 was doing. And he and he had I'm pretty sure 2471 02:10:40.920 --> 02:10:43.479 he had a door named Penny, but like inspect the gadget, 2472 02:10:43.479 --> 02:10:44.319 I think that's his niece. 2473 02:10:44.960 --> 02:10:49.399 Something that's interesting. So I've actually said, like I've actually wondered, 2474 02:10:49.439 --> 02:10:51.640 what did this creepy French fella see or witness to 2475 02:10:51.640 --> 02:10:53.960 develop this cartoon. And you're saying money and be based 2476 02:10:53.960 --> 02:10:54.720 on City City. 2477 02:10:55.159 --> 02:10:57.479 Yeah, there was times. I remember it was a year 2478 02:10:57.560 --> 02:10:59.680 or two ago when we brought up on the Occult Rejects. 2479 02:10:59.680 --> 02:11:01.319 There was a couple of other things that tied to 2480 02:11:01.319 --> 02:11:03.000 it because I did go down like a small rabbit 2481 02:11:03.039 --> 02:11:05.680 hole when I caught like a one or two commonalities 2482 02:11:06.000 --> 02:11:07.520 and I was like, I think there's something here. I 2483 02:11:07.560 --> 02:11:08.840 think I was when I was did at dam k 2484 02:11:08.880 --> 02:11:11.159 Elcha series with Thrash. There is like one or two 2485 02:11:11.199 --> 02:11:13.319 other things that doesn't make it like really like that 2486 02:11:13.439 --> 02:11:14.960 might be is it's. 2487 02:11:15.079 --> 02:11:16.720 It is interesting. I have to unpack that in the 2488 02:11:16.720 --> 02:11:17.279 future show here. 2489 02:11:17.359 --> 02:11:18.600 Nick, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do like. 2490 02:11:18.840 --> 02:11:21.880 This idea around this creepy French game. Soon oh they're 2491 02:11:21.920 --> 02:11:24.359 involved in money lunery that stuffsman season. No one's really 2492 02:11:24.359 --> 02:11:26.880 gone to jail though, So then you have the University 2493 02:11:26.880 --> 02:11:29.760 of Idaho president. He was no for no reason to 2494 02:11:29.800 --> 02:11:32.079 they hire this guy properly, like he has no background 2495 02:11:32.119 --> 02:11:35.720 to be there other than being a graduates. He was. 2496 02:11:36.079 --> 02:11:38.199 He was a business fellow, largely in banking. He was 2497 02:11:38.279 --> 02:11:42.119 running the second largest corporate law firm. They're largely involved 2498 02:11:42.159 --> 02:11:45.720 in regulatory things within the US government surrounding crypto. So 2499 02:11:45.800 --> 02:11:48.800 he leaves that company in twenty nineteen takes the University 2500 02:11:48.800 --> 02:11:52.159 of Idaho president job. I think eighteen or twenty nineteen. 2501 02:11:52.439 --> 02:11:55.239 It's the same time that Sam bankin Freed and the 2502 02:11:55.399 --> 02:11:58.279 creepy French fellow are paying off the state regulators in 2503 02:11:58.439 --> 02:12:01.039 Washington State to change he's a law so that a 2504 02:12:01.119 --> 02:12:04.840 crypto in banking can be under the same roof mind you, 2505 02:12:04.880 --> 02:12:07.000 mind you. That's still against a FDIC regulations. But that 2506 02:12:07.039 --> 02:12:10.199 didn't stop right in the larger outlook, it seems like 2507 02:12:10.239 --> 02:12:13.000 a like a operation was unfolding this dude movement in 2508 02:12:13.000 --> 02:12:16.520 that position, et cetera, because it's that law firm that's 2509 02:12:16.600 --> 02:12:19.840 managing the merger between Binance and FDx that falls out 2510 02:12:19.880 --> 02:12:22.920 on November ninth for the emergency bankruptcy. So they play 2511 02:12:22.920 --> 02:12:26.159 an important role. Even though that the president had left 2512 02:12:26.199 --> 02:12:28.640 the firm already. Now he gets to the University of 2513 02:12:28.640 --> 02:12:31.079 Idaho and has the bright decision I'm gonna go procure 2514 02:12:31.079 --> 02:12:34.399 the University of Phoenix, saying you're from here. With the 2515 02:12:34.479 --> 02:12:36.960 University of Phoenix, there's not really any infrastructure. It's basically 2516 02:12:37.000 --> 02:12:39.920 just an idea and a lot of presumably probably money laundering. 2517 02:12:40.000 --> 02:12:42.640 But you know, I'm a Phoenix proud I have my 2518 02:12:42.880 --> 02:12:45.560 undergrad and grad from the University of Phoenix because it 2519 02:12:45.600 --> 02:12:48.640 was on every air for military installation and that's you know, 2520 02:12:49.479 --> 02:12:51.199 they kind of you know, it's right available to you, 2521 02:12:51.199 --> 02:12:52.600 and you know you don't pay anything, you know what 2522 02:12:52.640 --> 02:12:54.279 I mean, So you know, it's it's very much push 2523 02:12:54.319 --> 02:12:56.439 through that regard. That's what I'm saying. Like they're getting 2524 02:12:56.439 --> 02:12:58.680 a lot of federal money. I am the wonder there's 2525 02:12:58.680 --> 02:13:01.600 some sort of like money launtering mechanism there. But he 2526 02:13:01.760 --> 02:13:04.640 solicits and you're you're going to recognize this name from 2527 02:13:04.640 --> 02:13:09.159 my Ran Contra and and probably Jeffrey Epstein, Leon Black 2528 02:13:09.359 --> 02:13:12.760 and is Apollo Global Management firm to finance this deal. 2529 02:13:12.800 --> 02:13:14.199 He goes to the business Black. 2530 02:13:14.880 --> 02:13:17.920 That's amazing. I didn't realize this. Now I knew he 2531 02:13:18.000 --> 02:13:21.279 had a connection directly to the Cia through like his 2532 02:13:21.279 --> 02:13:26.399 his kind of molding process where he was like basically 2533 02:13:26.399 --> 02:13:29.279 brought under the wing of during his his schooling and 2534 02:13:29.640 --> 02:13:30.600 when whenever. 2535 02:13:31.199 --> 02:13:34.600 You're talking about Sam Banker Freed, yes, PF Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2536 02:13:35.279 --> 02:13:38.159 you are Leon Black the real quick He's no, Yeah, 2537 02:13:38.199 --> 02:13:41.720 I'm familiar. Yeah, absolutely, He's directly involved in Iran contra 2538 02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:44.760 and is deeply involved at least two hundred million dollars 2539 02:13:44.800 --> 02:13:49.520 in avoiding charges thus far. But yeah, SPF, SPF is 2540 02:13:49.600 --> 02:13:52.640 actually works for that, so you're familiar with some of 2541 02:13:52.680 --> 02:13:54.640 his background. He's got a weird background. 2542 02:13:54.239 --> 02:13:56.520 Right, the Stanford parents and very strange. 2543 02:13:56.760 --> 02:13:59.680 Yeah, he's actually working at a small Wall Street firm 2544 02:13:59.720 --> 02:14:02.119 where he he's on record for losing the most amount 2545 02:14:02.119 --> 02:14:05.399 of money in that firm's history, along with one of 2546 02:14:05.399 --> 02:14:07.760 the with one of the major figures in the Zizzy 2547 02:14:07.800 --> 02:14:14.960 and get thecalypse Vegan Silicon Valley based rationalists. 2548 02:14:15.159 --> 02:14:18.640 Uh, you know, I gotta look at that. Oh yeah, yeah, 2549 02:14:18.760 --> 02:14:20.920 I haven't yet. And all I keep hearing is about 2550 02:14:20.920 --> 02:14:21.520 the Zizzy and. 2551 02:14:21.840 --> 02:14:23.520 I'm not even I'm not even trying to break. You 2552 02:14:23.560 --> 02:14:25.520 gotta listen to the one that we know. 2553 02:14:25.800 --> 02:14:29.600 I'm you got to listen to the shows we've done, 2554 02:14:29.479 --> 02:14:32.119 ye switch deeper than what you'll find a regular YouTuber, 2555 02:14:32.159 --> 02:14:35.239 even making the Mad Scientists went deep. 2556 02:14:36.439 --> 02:14:39.079 Yeah, those those kids. It's another one to get it. 2557 02:14:39.159 --> 02:14:40.960 Not to get too much with the true crime stuff, 2558 02:14:40.960 --> 02:14:43.880 but it's just another one with why is NASA popping. 2559 02:14:43.560 --> 02:14:45.680 The funk up? Yeah? 2560 02:14:45.720 --> 02:14:48.039 Man, why is NASA keep popping up with all these 2561 02:14:48.079 --> 02:14:50.720 weird true crime tales? Now there's always like someone associated 2562 02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:52.039 with NASA showing up. 2563 02:14:52.199 --> 02:14:57.439 The jeopardpol was was as far as like there you 2564 02:14:57.479 --> 02:14:59.880 go from the from the onset with this, the le 2565 02:15:00.079 --> 02:15:00.840 were right with part. 2566 02:15:00.960 --> 02:15:07.119 Of the magic exactly. I think what was it? Jack 2567 02:15:07.199 --> 02:15:14.399 Parsons was affiliated with this JPL property in in Florida 2568 02:15:14.520 --> 02:15:18.720 in the Everglades, and that came up on Python Cowboy 2569 02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:21.800 went on Joe Rogan and I discovered this like a 2570 02:15:21.840 --> 02:15:25.640 while back, a couple of years ago, because it sounded 2571 02:15:25.720 --> 02:15:28.079 very interesting to me. And I don't usually even listen 2572 02:15:28.119 --> 02:15:31.560 to Rogan anymore, but occasionally I would catch an episode 2573 02:15:31.840 --> 02:15:34.399 and I caught this one, and I discovered that he 2574 02:15:34.479 --> 02:15:37.720 was out there as a conservationist attempting to wrangle these 2575 02:15:37.720 --> 02:15:43.199 pythons and was basically granted access onto an old government 2576 02:15:43.239 --> 02:15:47.239 black site, and so this was effectively a JPL a 2577 02:15:47.319 --> 02:15:51.760 jet proportion laboratory property that was that was in this 2578 02:15:51.920 --> 02:15:54.920 area of the Florida Everglades where he was hunting these 2579 02:15:54.960 --> 02:15:57.439 pythons with a couple of his buddies on his team, 2580 02:15:57.800 --> 02:16:00.279 and they go into this area and they just they 2581 02:16:00.279 --> 02:16:03.319 discovered this property that seemed to have been abandoned, but 2582 02:16:04.239 --> 02:16:07.079 very much so. Obviously there were people who were actively 2583 02:16:08.159 --> 02:16:12.239 apparently uh at least gathering at this area for some 2584 02:16:12.279 --> 02:16:14.840 sort of occult reason. And this is interesting to me 2585 02:16:14.920 --> 02:16:18.319 because he finds, like to begin with, he finds this 2586 02:16:18.439 --> 02:16:23.640 strange uh baby doll uh and and there's like this 2587 02:16:24.079 --> 02:16:28.720 what looks like blood that's kind of like in symbols 2588 02:16:28.800 --> 02:16:33.760 and also like leading to a direction into the complex 2589 02:16:33.799 --> 02:16:37.639 of the property itself. And he discovers this this baby 2590 02:16:37.680 --> 02:16:39.319 doll that has one eye missing. 2591 02:16:39.959 --> 02:16:45.559 I think it was the left eye. Where was this this? Yeah, 2592 02:16:45.799 --> 02:16:47.959 do you recall, like, did you have a name? Maybe 2593 02:16:48.559 --> 02:16:49.360 let me pull. 2594 02:16:49.319 --> 02:16:53.200 Up, because again it's like a black site with Florida Everglades. 2595 02:16:53.520 --> 02:16:55.600 When they're starting to talk black slits in everylades, you're 2596 02:16:55.600 --> 02:16:57.879 starting to sound like a lot like Wayne Williams stories 2597 02:16:57.920 --> 02:17:01.079 and Patrick Imming you, Lucas. 2598 02:17:01.239 --> 02:17:04.520 Who's who's saying that, Lucas, Yeah, he's he's saying that 2599 02:17:04.879 --> 02:17:07.239 we were trained in the art of kidnapping and and 2600 02:17:07.399 --> 02:17:11.479 ritualistic murder and and how to properly abduct children and 2601 02:17:11.479 --> 02:17:13.639 and and that was all at black sites in in 2602 02:17:13.719 --> 02:17:18.200 Mississippi and Indiana where basically they were they were they 2603 02:17:18.200 --> 02:17:21.600 were granted actually they apparently they were all tipped off 2604 02:17:21.600 --> 02:17:24.600 whenever military flyovers would happen as well, and and so 2605 02:17:24.680 --> 02:17:27.479 they would effectively be able to cover their tracks from 2606 02:17:27.520 --> 02:17:32.440 from any aerial viewpoint whatsoever to to consistently utilize the 2607 02:17:32.440 --> 02:17:35.079 black site, which that makes sense in terms of how 2608 02:17:35.120 --> 02:17:38.600 the uh, you know, David Ferry and the you know, 2609 02:17:38.719 --> 02:17:41.840 the Louisiana CAP, right, the Civil Air Patrol were operating 2610 02:17:41.840 --> 02:17:44.600 at the time, because even those children, he was using 2611 02:17:45.000 --> 02:17:47.879 sophisticated mind control techniques on those children in the in 2612 02:17:47.920 --> 02:17:52.000 the cap hypnosis. He was hypnotizing them and then people 2613 02:17:52.239 --> 02:17:54.159 as well, which I didn't realize, but. 2614 02:17:54.639 --> 02:17:56.440 That goes at in handle done that every time I 2615 02:17:56.440 --> 02:17:58.760 feel like, right, it's always some weird sexual deal and stuff. 2616 02:17:58.799 --> 02:18:00.959 So if folks want to write off hypnosis, and I 2617 02:18:01.000 --> 02:18:03.159 was telling I was telling Nick this story earlier about 2618 02:18:03.200 --> 02:18:07.600 hypnosis and uh, the actor Danny Trejo folksing you on YouTube, all, 2619 02:18:07.719 --> 02:18:09.399 uh pull up a link and put it in the 2620 02:18:09.399 --> 02:18:12.159 show notes. Danny Treo was describing the time that he 2621 02:18:12.280 --> 02:18:14.879 ran he met Charles Manson in the La County lock 2622 02:18:14.959 --> 02:18:17.559 up and that they were all strung out and needed 2623 02:18:17.600 --> 02:18:21.639 some dope. Weeral dope eds and Manson is like, man, 2624 02:18:21.639 --> 02:18:23.680 it's like, oh it's cool, take carry all, hypnotize you 2625 02:18:23.719 --> 02:18:26.159 and you don't feel like you were on dope. And 2626 02:18:26.239 --> 02:18:26.760 it worked. 2627 02:18:27.159 --> 02:18:30.879 He said, Man, what did he say about Manson? He said, 2628 02:18:30.959 --> 02:18:36.239 if if in another life, right, like he should become 2629 02:18:36.280 --> 02:18:39.600 a professional hypnotist because he missed his calling. Like that 2630 02:18:39.799 --> 02:18:43.239 was basically what he said about Charles Manson, because he was, 2631 02:18:43.280 --> 02:18:43.719 like I. 2632 02:18:43.680 --> 02:18:45.879 Was describing as like a five tool athlete. These there 2633 02:18:45.920 --> 02:18:48.000 are prospects go. He did all the ocult stuff. He's 2634 02:18:48.000 --> 02:18:49.479 doing the hypnotist stuff. You know what I mean. He's 2635 02:18:49.479 --> 02:18:52.079 a charismatic fellow despite being a little fella. You know 2636 02:18:52.120 --> 02:18:53.719 what I mean, he's you know, he got a lot done, 2637 02:18:54.719 --> 02:18:56.239 all right, Manson. 2638 02:18:56.840 --> 02:18:59.920 I found this story that that this Python cowboy told 2639 02:19:00.079 --> 02:19:03.760 because it's it's fascinating. It's this abandoned aerow jet rocket 2640 02:19:03.760 --> 02:19:08.280 test facility that he had discovered. Apparently he came across 2641 02:19:08.319 --> 02:19:12.159 this one night in April of twenty nineteen, and this 2642 02:19:12.319 --> 02:19:14.920 is deep within the Uh this he's chase. 2643 02:19:15.000 --> 02:19:19.079 He's chasing these yes, yeah, we'll put on the screen here. 2644 02:19:19.399 --> 02:19:20.440 Let folks check that out. 2645 02:19:20.559 --> 02:19:28.680 He's chasing these basive python species. Yeah, exactly, And so 2646 02:19:29.520 --> 02:19:30.319 this is so crazy. 2647 02:19:30.360 --> 02:19:30.799 Look at this. 2648 02:19:30.879 --> 02:19:33.360 First of all, this is what he stumbles upon and 2649 02:19:33.719 --> 02:19:36.799 who knows, you know, the upside down crosses and red right. 2650 02:19:37.680 --> 02:19:41.399 But so he basically says that he finds this abandoned 2651 02:19:41.479 --> 02:19:47.239 arrow jet rocket test facility, and then essentially he discovers 2652 02:19:47.280 --> 02:19:52.840 that an interesting snake still alive that is on this 2653 02:19:52.840 --> 02:19:54.840 this baby doll. I need a picture of the baby 2654 02:19:54.840 --> 02:19:58.360 doll because it's super creepy, man. But basically what he 2655 02:19:58.440 --> 02:20:02.959 finds is this pile, you know, in a small scarlet 2656 02:20:02.959 --> 02:20:05.319 snake wrapped around the neck of a baby doll, and 2657 02:20:05.360 --> 02:20:08.680 it's bleeding from its anus and still alive, which he 2658 02:20:08.719 --> 02:20:10.879 had never discovered once in his life, which in my 2659 02:20:10.959 --> 02:20:14.159 mind seems like the scarlet snake that came up in 2660 02:20:14.239 --> 02:20:18.000 the Mark de Troux affair where the in the context 2661 02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:21.600 of the ex dossier. Oh jeez, chill out. In the 2662 02:20:21.639 --> 02:20:22.360 context this. 2663 02:20:22.319 --> 02:20:25.520 Is this was a part. This was a JPL property 2664 02:20:25.520 --> 02:20:27.159 though at one point, Yeah. 2665 02:20:27.040 --> 02:20:30.879 And had direct ties to Jack Parsons committing a cult 2666 02:20:31.000 --> 02:20:34.840 rituals at the time, apparently whenever he was affiliated with 2667 02:20:34.840 --> 02:20:37.639 this property. So I found that interesting because it clearly 2668 02:20:37.680 --> 02:20:42.319 had direct uh you know, occult connotations to prior youths. 2669 02:20:42.799 --> 02:20:45.479 Right, that's fact. That's super interesting. And you know, I'll 2670 02:20:45.479 --> 02:20:47.440 push for folks the interwebs. I'll put a link in 2671 02:20:47.479 --> 02:20:49.399 the show notes here, I'll get it from Austin here. 2672 02:20:49.399 --> 02:20:51.319 But no, this is this is what I'm talking about. Man, 2673 02:20:51.360 --> 02:20:53.280 there's so many more of these sites that were clearly 2674 02:20:53.280 --> 02:20:56.280 being utilized. This is as larger as we're we're clearly 2675 02:20:56.360 --> 02:20:58.959 laying out for folks. This is a much larger network 2676 02:20:59.000 --> 02:21:01.680 than even some folks that cannspiracy cultures. I think you're 2677 02:21:01.680 --> 02:21:06.040 willing to recognize. And if I may bring us, did 2678 02:21:06.040 --> 02:21:07.360 you have any more points on this on this site? 2679 02:21:07.479 --> 02:21:10.559 No, honestly, it's it's probably too long of a story 2680 02:21:10.600 --> 02:21:15.440 to even cover, but it's very. 2681 02:21:14.120 --> 02:21:15.639 I'd love to have you back on here in the 2682 02:21:15.639 --> 02:21:18.319 future and operation the GC I don't want to speak 2683 02:21:18.319 --> 02:21:19.760 for Nick, but maybe even the cult reachis. 2684 02:21:19.559 --> 02:21:23.319 Oh yeah, I was alreadything. Yeah, for sure, there's a 2685 02:21:23.319 --> 02:21:23.479 lot of. 2686 02:21:23.479 --> 02:21:25.120 Fu We can unpack some more of these ideas, but 2687 02:21:25.200 --> 02:21:26.799 I'd like to try to close out some of the 2688 02:21:26.840 --> 02:21:28.760 ones we've discussed tonight, if you don't mind bringing us 2689 02:21:28.840 --> 02:21:31.479 in for a close. So when we're talking about these 2690 02:21:31.479 --> 02:21:35.040 similarities between the the Atlanta Child, I'm sorry, Well, when 2691 02:21:35.040 --> 02:21:37.399 we're talking about this realt home, one second, we're talking 2692 02:21:37.399 --> 02:21:40.920 about Fort Bragg, drug trafficking, money laundering, the continuation, as 2693 02:21:40.920 --> 02:21:42.879 you're saying, of Iran Contra, and is this is kind 2694 02:21:42.879 --> 02:21:45.079 of a one component of it. And I was describing 2695 02:21:45.120 --> 02:21:48.680 the drug trafficking, the money laundering that seemingly may have 2696 02:21:48.680 --> 02:21:51.239 triggered those murders that happened within forty eight hours of 2697 02:21:51.280 --> 02:21:53.959 everyone finding out about this money laundering bank and whatnot, 2698 02:21:54.000 --> 02:21:58.079 and President's connections, the Iran Contra connections. Well, on top 2699 02:21:58.120 --> 02:22:01.799 of that, you have the Moscow ped Moscow, Idaho. They said, 2700 02:22:01.840 --> 02:22:03.840 you know what, this is the biggest crime in state's history, 2701 02:22:03.959 --> 02:22:06.280 certainly the town's history most certainly, but the state as well. 2702 02:22:06.319 --> 02:22:08.879 And you know what's uh, let's get the best man 2703 02:22:09.000 --> 02:22:12.319 on the job. So they find the rookie cop and 2704 02:22:12.399 --> 02:22:15.200 put him as the lead detective. So, and you may 2705 02:22:15.239 --> 02:22:17.719 ask yourself, what what's his qualifications? Well, I'll tell you 2706 02:22:17.799 --> 02:22:20.520 what his qualifications is. He was stationed at Fort Bragg 2707 02:22:20.559 --> 02:22:23.079 as the paratrooper and then then went into the US 2708 02:22:23.200 --> 02:22:26.680 Army Military Police and became an officer, where he exists 2709 02:22:26.680 --> 02:22:30.360 today as a seemingly holding us up. I mean, I 2710 02:22:30.360 --> 02:22:32.479 don't I don't have his documents, but from my understanding 2711 02:22:32.639 --> 02:22:34.600 for my time in the military, if you're an officer 2712 02:22:34.600 --> 02:22:36.319 in the MPs, you have even in the Air Force, 2713 02:22:36.319 --> 02:22:39.959 you have a top secret. So he seemingly they have 2714 02:22:39.959 --> 02:22:42.319 gotten because I had that seek that clearance. 2715 02:22:42.399 --> 02:22:45.360 Right, Do you mind if I run, go take a 2716 02:22:45.360 --> 02:22:47.360 piss real quick and come back so I can form 2717 02:22:47.440 --> 02:22:49.600 the rest of my thoughts in a coherent way without 2718 02:22:49.639 --> 02:22:51.479 having to think about having to piss really bad. 2719 02:22:52.159 --> 02:22:53.879 No, please, please do one. We'll bring it in for 2720 02:22:53.959 --> 02:22:54.879 landing here when you when you. 2721 02:22:55.600 --> 02:22:57.200 I'll be right back. Appreciate it. 2722 02:22:58.600 --> 02:23:01.840 So you know, I'm dude, it's it's it's you know, 2723 02:23:02.840 --> 02:23:05.040 I like to see some other you know, some other folks, 2724 02:23:05.040 --> 02:23:06.959 you know what I mean, coming to these Uh, you know, 2725 02:23:07.040 --> 02:23:09.600 well developed and uh you know, thought out conclusions as 2726 02:23:09.639 --> 02:23:11.719 he has around some of these subjects and the dynamics 2727 02:23:11.719 --> 02:23:14.159 that the clearly in play. But you know, it seems 2728 02:23:14.159 --> 02:23:15.719 because it just seems so obvious to me at this 2729 02:23:15.719 --> 02:23:18.280 point looking at a lot of these factors that you know, 2730 02:23:18.520 --> 02:23:21.559 like Austin saying that you know, I ran contrated in 2731 02:23:21.680 --> 02:23:23.319 end and it's really just a component of what we're 2732 02:23:23.399 --> 02:23:27.239 we're seeing here surrounding elements of the Idaho situation. 2733 02:23:27.920 --> 02:23:31.799 Something that I've thought before with like the Masons. Just 2734 02:23:31.840 --> 02:23:34.000 from seeing like different things popping up, stuff that I 2735 02:23:34.040 --> 02:23:38.000 haven't even covered. Uh that I I'm starting to like 2736 02:23:38.239 --> 02:23:40.920 maybe I guess entertain more like especially with the process 2737 02:23:40.959 --> 02:23:47.959 and a few other I guess supposed occult organizations. Uh. 2738 02:23:47.959 --> 02:23:50.520 I think it's almost like they're used as like they're 2739 02:23:50.559 --> 02:23:53.280 so diverse to where it's like they have the street 2740 02:23:53.360 --> 02:23:57.840 thugs to do, like the streets ship all the way 2741 02:23:57.879 --> 02:23:59.959 all the way all the way up to the director 2742 02:24:00.120 --> 02:24:00.760 of the narrative. 2743 02:24:01.680 --> 02:24:04.319 Yeah, well you're you're given your background, you probably familiar 2744 02:24:04.319 --> 02:24:06.200 with the operation. You're where you came from in life. 2745 02:24:06.239 --> 02:24:08.159 Then you know, being around Long Island and we're a 2746 02:24:08.200 --> 02:24:11.760 large concentration of what cos and extra folks are from, right, 2747 02:24:11.799 --> 02:24:14.319 Like you're probably familiar. That's how they operate, right, the 2748 02:24:14.399 --> 02:24:15.959 what you're describing, right, Yeah. 2749 02:24:15.760 --> 02:24:17.319 A lot of the ways to get away with stuff 2750 02:24:17.399 --> 02:24:19.479 is because well, I mean, you could just be a 2751 02:24:19.479 --> 02:24:21.280 good manipulator, but I mean a lot of times it's 2752 02:24:21.280 --> 02:24:24.040 like being out and plane, being out in plain sight, 2753 02:24:24.239 --> 02:24:28.239 hitting in plain sight. There's a lot of that. But 2754 02:24:28.520 --> 02:24:30.360 I and I do think that comes even from like 2755 02:24:30.399 --> 02:24:33.440 you know, occultist in a sense, but no, I feel like, 2756 02:24:33.520 --> 02:24:37.079 you know, looking at like the processed Church, Freemason's uh 2757 02:24:37.719 --> 02:24:42.120 and a few other organizations again, especially cults, I feel 2758 02:24:42.120 --> 02:24:44.600 like you do have, like you will have all the 2759 02:24:44.639 --> 02:24:46.920 way to the top of the person who's helping design 2760 02:24:47.239 --> 02:24:49.120 the bullshit story, all the way down to like the 2761 02:24:49.200 --> 02:24:51.559 dudes that are doing like the street you know, a 2762 02:24:51.639 --> 02:24:53.399 legal crap move and this and that. 2763 02:24:53.799 --> 02:24:55.079 You know, low level for sure. 2764 02:24:56.200 --> 02:24:58.239 And then I think the reason why why those things 2765 02:24:58.280 --> 02:25:01.360 are so great too is because you may not have 2766 02:25:01.440 --> 02:25:03.479 any tie to this person except for that lodge of 2767 02:25:03.479 --> 02:25:04.239 that organization. 2768 02:25:05.159 --> 02:25:06.559 That's the best way to do it, right. 2769 02:25:06.680 --> 02:25:08.719 Like, like how is that person even coming up in 2770 02:25:08.760 --> 02:25:09.319 your life? 2771 02:25:09.479 --> 02:25:15.440 Diffuse liability right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I 2772 02:25:15.719 --> 02:25:17.079 totally agree with you. I think that is you know, 2773 02:25:17.399 --> 02:25:19.280 that's how they operate. We're talking about kind of the 2774 02:25:19.559 --> 02:25:21.239 you know, the general function of some of this stuff, 2775 02:25:21.239 --> 02:25:23.840 comparatively speaking to like the mafia, right, they see these 2776 02:25:24.079 --> 02:25:27.000 this cult network, you know, it's you know, I think 2777 02:25:27.000 --> 02:25:29.239 we apply a lot of descriptions and name things, but 2778 02:25:29.399 --> 02:25:31.959 we're really just talking about the same stuff. But I'm 2779 02:25:31.959 --> 02:25:34.600 also I definitely appreciate your time here this evening. I'm 2780 02:25:34.600 --> 02:25:36.639 appreciately joined us here, but I like, as we're bringing 2781 02:25:36.639 --> 02:25:37.959 this in for Landy, I want to make sure I 2782 02:25:37.959 --> 02:25:40.239 went back to here and get your next thoughts both 2783 02:25:40.280 --> 02:25:43.399 on some of this comparative nature of this report from 2784 02:25:44.120 --> 02:25:47.760 this private detective agency from York that did a comparative 2785 02:25:47.799 --> 02:25:49.959 analysis of the Atlanta shallow killings and the son of 2786 02:25:50.000 --> 02:25:52.879 same murders. Right, So I'll put I'll put a link 2787 02:25:52.920 --> 02:25:56.319 in the show notes, but it says here Michael Carr 2788 02:25:57.600 --> 02:26:01.040 and some other associates of Berkowitz and corporated a Buddha 2789 02:26:01.079 --> 02:26:04.719 figure in their ceremonies in the same manner. According to Shirley, 2790 02:26:04.760 --> 02:26:07.120 as you mentioned before, the witness down there that it 2791 02:26:07.200 --> 02:26:08.799 was used the Atlanta ceremonies. 2792 02:26:09.360 --> 02:26:15.159 God, that is fascinating. Man, I already knew of obviously, 2793 02:26:15.200 --> 02:26:18.159 of of her direct connection into this, this kind of 2794 02:26:18.280 --> 02:26:22.520 Parnell Trey Haim culled. You know, what she was basically 2795 02:26:22.760 --> 02:26:26.680 claiming was her boyfriend was directly tied into this this 2796 02:26:26.879 --> 02:26:33.079 Uh what really ultimately, you know, fundamentally it becomes this 2797 02:26:33.319 --> 02:26:38.239 criminal syndicate enterprise which plays very much into not only 2798 02:26:39.280 --> 02:26:41.639 what I view government as in the first place, is 2799 02:26:41.719 --> 02:26:44.719 just the highest level of organized crime. And so so 2800 02:26:44.920 --> 02:26:47.719 that's truly how I feel, And I think that's it's 2801 02:26:47.760 --> 02:26:51.479 you're not wrong, I mean, it's it's honestly, it's it's 2802 02:26:51.600 --> 02:26:54.639 obvious at this point that they very much utilize the 2803 02:26:54.719 --> 02:26:58.280 same playbook and they kind of reinforce each other's existence, 2804 02:26:58.319 --> 02:27:02.399 and it's it's, uh, it was seemingly you see so 2805 02:27:02.559 --> 02:27:06.600 often that there are these warring factions, but it's typically 2806 02:27:07.319 --> 02:27:11.799 below the surface of public accountability. There's no no real 2807 02:27:12.399 --> 02:27:15.639 acknowledgment of the general public understanding how how power truly 2808 02:27:15.680 --> 02:27:19.239 functions in the first place. But but yeah, you talk 2809 02:27:19.280 --> 02:27:25.079 about how there's this undeniable, occult connection to a local 2810 02:27:25.159 --> 02:27:28.719 chapter of the process affiliated with Parnell Treham in the 2811 02:27:28.760 --> 02:27:32.920 Atlanta child murders were knowingly abducting children in Atlanta for 2812 02:27:33.040 --> 02:27:36.559 the network to then you know, be taken by let's say, 2813 02:27:36.879 --> 02:27:41.280 Wayne Williams, who's who's at least presenting himself as a 2814 02:27:41.319 --> 02:27:46.000 talent spotter for young children who who can I forget 2815 02:27:46.040 --> 02:27:48.079 what the name of his group was called that he 2816 02:27:48.239 --> 02:27:50.319 was bringing them into, but even that, the name of 2817 02:27:50.360 --> 02:27:52.719 the group was kind of a if I remember correctly, 2818 02:27:52.760 --> 02:27:55.879 it was a kind of an occult ac connotation in 2819 02:27:55.920 --> 02:27:58.600 general as well, which was strange. But this was a 2820 02:27:58.639 --> 02:28:01.440 group that he claimed he would be able to of 2821 02:28:01.479 --> 02:28:03.760 course set these children on a path to start them, 2822 02:28:04.280 --> 02:28:07.159 uh with their musical talents and that uh and and 2823 02:28:07.319 --> 02:28:09.959 inevitably he would take them to Michael Thavis's uh a 2824 02:28:10.040 --> 02:28:13.120 local production studio where they would then perform in child 2825 02:28:13.159 --> 02:28:16.840 pornography and uh and that was inevitably what Michael Thievis 2826 02:28:17.000 --> 02:28:19.239 was was a child pornographer, a king pen at the 2827 02:28:19.239 --> 02:28:20.799 time in Atlanta, And. 2828 02:28:20.760 --> 02:28:23.920 So he was kind of a big time you know overall. 2829 02:28:24.000 --> 02:28:26.600 On at one point in time when Larry Flint paid 2830 02:28:26.680 --> 02:28:31.000 Mitch Warbell a mayon dollar check to off his uh, 2831 02:28:31.120 --> 02:28:34.079 his you know, his uh, you know, his competition not 2832 02:28:34.239 --> 02:28:36.879 on that list, Michael not on list. Not listed was 2833 02:28:36.920 --> 02:28:40.120 Michael Thabas. It was Guccioni, Hugh Hefner, and somebody else. 2834 02:28:40.840 --> 02:28:43.440 But Michael Thievis wasn't on the hit list, strangely enough, 2835 02:28:43.479 --> 02:28:46.120 and he definitely knew Mitch Warbell because they were both 2836 02:28:46.120 --> 02:28:49.280 out of Atlanta. Right, So Michael thiabs major figure he 2837 02:28:49.280 --> 02:28:53.280 would later sells him to. I believe it was Whitney 2838 02:28:53.319 --> 02:28:55.120 Houston and Bobby Brown when he went to prison in 2839 02:28:55.159 --> 02:28:58.920 one of his stints. You know, the relative to modern 2840 02:28:58.920 --> 02:29:02.920 era folks like uh, comedian Joey Diaz has joked around 2841 02:29:02.959 --> 02:29:05.639 on his own podcast about being a cocaine mule for 2842 02:29:05.680 --> 02:29:09.479 the Houston Bobby Brown, flying them cocaine at various seties 2843 02:29:09.520 --> 02:29:10.000 and whatnot. 2844 02:29:10.600 --> 02:29:12.520 I didn't realize that, he claimed that. 2845 02:29:12.680 --> 02:29:13.360 I knew he was. 2846 02:29:13.680 --> 02:29:17.479 Yeah, that's that's crazy stuff right there. Wow right, yeah, 2847 02:29:17.840 --> 02:29:22.120 oh my god, I know that. You know, just as 2848 02:29:22.159 --> 02:29:26.040 far as the there kind of the modern day like 2849 02:29:26.200 --> 02:29:30.680 tie into the BCCI Iran contrast and still effectively taking 2850 02:29:30.719 --> 02:29:34.399 place this very moment. I think my favorite example of 2851 02:29:34.440 --> 02:29:39.319 this is is really Omar Matine in the Pulse Nightclub 2852 02:29:39.399 --> 02:29:43.600 network in very many ways. I think Draws in wacken Hut, which, 2853 02:29:44.399 --> 02:29:48.559 like perm Index was, was you know, obviously a pousible 2854 02:29:48.559 --> 02:29:50.719 deniability construct in the private sector. 2855 02:29:51.200 --> 02:29:51.920 And and if you. 2856 02:29:51.879 --> 02:29:55.280 Consider the arlist Perry murder that we were just discussing earlier, 2857 02:29:56.040 --> 02:29:59.520 her husband, Bruce Perry. Now I didn't realize this. He 2858 02:29:59.600 --> 02:30:02.399 happens to be the psychiatrist in charge of treating the 2859 02:30:02.479 --> 02:30:06.719 children at Waco. And it was even crazier than that. 2860 02:30:07.200 --> 02:30:10.399 If you look into this guy's background, it turns out 2861 02:30:10.399 --> 02:30:14.040 that apparently Bruce Perry was also he served as an 2862 02:30:14.079 --> 02:30:19.520 expert witness in in all of these insane scandals involving 2863 02:30:19.559 --> 02:30:26.239 these traumatized children, including Columbine High School massacre, Oklahoma City bombing, Waco, 2864 02:30:26.879 --> 02:30:30.760 the yf the ranch custody cases, and uh and. 2865 02:30:30.799 --> 02:30:34.120 All the Mormon fundamentalists. Let's not the Jeffs, Let's not 2866 02:30:34.159 --> 02:30:37.719 you know, sleep on that situation. That's a fucking strange 2867 02:30:37.719 --> 02:30:40.600 one right now. It's weird. He's involved in all these things, right, 2868 02:30:40.639 --> 02:30:43.799 it's very rd bizarre. It is, especially given where he 2869 02:30:43.840 --> 02:30:47.440 came from, with the exactly he's there at the very murder, 2870 02:30:47.520 --> 02:30:49.399 right he you know, you should have been considered a suspect. 2871 02:30:49.479 --> 02:30:51.360 He wasn't, right, wasn't. 2872 02:30:51.479 --> 02:30:53.239 They had just had a fight as well, which is 2873 02:30:53.360 --> 02:30:57.479 very strange. But you know, range, Yeah, you look at 2874 02:30:57.719 --> 02:31:02.040 the execution of Roy Raiden, happened on Friday the thirteenth, right, 2875 02:31:02.239 --> 02:31:04.920 thirteen bullets in the back of the head, a Bible 2876 02:31:05.040 --> 02:31:07.079 left near his body, open to a passage from the 2877 02:31:07.120 --> 02:31:09.799 Book of Isaiah, chapter twenty two, which reads, in part, 2878 02:31:10.440 --> 02:31:14.879 let us eat and drink for tomorrow we shall die. 2879 02:31:15.600 --> 02:31:18.000 And it gets sold here there's like there's some Christian 2880 02:31:18.040 --> 02:31:21.559 stuff mashed in there, identifying right within that ritual human sacrifice. 2881 02:31:21.559 --> 02:31:23.680 And then we got a report here saying they're doing, 2882 02:31:23.760 --> 02:31:25.959 you know, mashing together Buddhi stuff in the mix. Right. 2883 02:31:26.399 --> 02:31:29.559 Oh, that they do say they're in the ot O. 2884 02:31:29.719 --> 02:31:32.440 There's still say there you will eat a feast for death. 2885 02:31:33.719 --> 02:31:33.879 Man. 2886 02:31:34.040 --> 02:31:36.399 So this this kind of works within the framework of 2887 02:31:36.399 --> 02:31:39.239 your understanding, within the lima of this incorporation of boots. Yeah. 2888 02:31:39.360 --> 02:31:43.360 I also think them ripped off Catholicism the Bible anyways. 2889 02:31:43.360 --> 02:31:48.159 Interesting, interesting, Okay, ideological deception at every level. Right, It's 2890 02:31:48.200 --> 02:31:51.239 like that I feel like they attempt to infiltrate presiding 2891 02:31:51.520 --> 02:31:54.440 ideologies and whether they were manufactured to begin with or not. 2892 02:31:54.520 --> 02:31:57.639 I don't know which one, you know, obviously sure, but 2893 02:31:57.639 --> 02:31:59.200 but it's what. 2894 02:31:59.319 --> 02:32:01.600 Game first, go Bill Clinton or the Blue dress? 2895 02:32:01.680 --> 02:32:05.639 Right, exactly right, But I mean, you know, and even 2896 02:32:05.680 --> 02:32:09.239 then the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Committee 2897 02:32:09.239 --> 02:32:11.319 of three hundred in the Club of Rome, and how 2898 02:32:11.639 --> 02:32:16.239 how basically Bill Clinton was chosen as just like Jimmy 2899 02:32:16.239 --> 02:32:19.440 Carter was, right, Jimmy Carter allegedly just a dip ship. 2900 02:32:21.440 --> 02:32:23.159 I don't know, it's very very he wasn't. 2901 02:32:22.959 --> 02:32:29.440 Allegedly he was exactly I think he was the Lodge 2902 02:32:29.479 --> 02:32:32.680 of Georgia or whatever. They're the you know whatever they 2903 02:32:32.760 --> 02:32:34.879 call their top freemason. They're in the Green Lodge of 2904 02:32:34.920 --> 02:32:35.239 the state. 2905 02:32:36.479 --> 02:32:39.959 And that's what that's what always consistently, right, you know, 2906 02:32:40.360 --> 02:32:44.959 raises its ugly head. Is this sort of just direct 2907 02:32:44.959 --> 02:32:51.440 connection to these these powerful uh you know, let's say 2908 02:32:51.440 --> 02:32:56.840 they're they're just very much there there powerful organizations as 2909 02:32:56.879 --> 02:32:59.959 far as just their their influence on on the global 2910 02:33:00.559 --> 02:33:05.000 infrastructure that really just like the path of what is 2911 02:33:05.040 --> 02:33:08.600 because sure, yeah, yeah, in my mind you look at 2912 02:33:08.639 --> 02:33:11.520 even the OTO like I was realizing that it was. 2913 02:33:11.719 --> 02:33:15.440 It was founded in eighteen ninety five and in. 2914 02:33:15.639 --> 02:33:19.840 Uh by the russ right yeah, yeah, and Carl Reunited 2915 02:33:19.879 --> 02:33:24.159 the Illuminati, rightty. 2916 02:33:22.799 --> 02:33:24.639 Yeah, those are the dudes from the there was like 2917 02:33:24.719 --> 02:33:27.479 it was actually like aligned with Freemasonry. 2918 02:33:28.239 --> 02:33:31.639 Yeah, that was the The very interesting point that that 2919 02:33:31.719 --> 02:33:33.840 I discovered as well was that it seems to be 2920 02:33:34.200 --> 02:33:37.239 not only affiliated with of course this kind of like 2921 02:33:37.280 --> 02:33:40.520 psychological operation being conducted by the Six at the time, 2922 02:33:40.559 --> 02:33:43.120 which I think that that that is why Aleister Crowley 2923 02:33:43.159 --> 02:33:46.680 effectively fell into that that position, because I think that 2924 02:33:46.799 --> 02:33:50.399 he was kind of being utilized as the asset, you know, 2925 02:33:50.559 --> 02:33:54.239 within the terms of British intelligence. But this chapter of 2926 02:33:54.319 --> 02:33:56.920 the I mean you just there then these are like 2927 02:33:57.280 --> 02:34:02.040 what I believe the end of it duals themselves. We're 2928 02:34:02.159 --> 02:34:05.840 kind of like coming out of these really what inevitably 2929 02:34:06.520 --> 02:34:10.719 have have fundamentally turned into these neo pagan ideologies that 2930 02:34:10.799 --> 02:34:14.280 are being resurrected in modern day And I didn't realize 2931 02:34:14.319 --> 02:34:18.120 this until I discovered a Now, obviously I'd mentioned Wacken 2932 02:34:18.200 --> 02:34:22.440 Hunt being orchestrating essentially the Omar Mateen Puls night club shootings. 2933 02:34:22.879 --> 02:34:25.040 We can get into those details at a later data 2934 02:34:25.079 --> 02:34:26.079 if you like that. 2935 02:34:26.200 --> 02:34:27.639 That sounds like a great way to put a pen 2936 02:34:27.680 --> 02:34:29.040 and put a pin in that, and put a pin 2937 02:34:29.079 --> 02:34:31.479 in this picture right here, So no one could ever 2938 02:34:31.559 --> 02:34:35.959 explain why Cocaine Bob evans He or mister Process Hollywood 2939 02:34:36.000 --> 02:34:41.840 was so good friends with Henry Kissinger. And then then 2940 02:34:41.879 --> 02:34:45.000 you see Kissinger's Kissinger's right hand man who was the 2941 02:34:45.280 --> 02:34:48.239 VP of Kissinger and Associates, who was his deputy national 2942 02:34:48.239 --> 02:34:51.319 security advisor, who was a national security advisor for I 2943 02:34:51.360 --> 02:34:55.360 believe from Ford and Reagan, and that was retired Air 2944 02:34:55.360 --> 02:34:59.159 Force General Brent Scowcroft. And then his assistant starts a 2945 02:34:59.200 --> 02:35:03.200 neo process col JJ Bryan in Victorianism. So if folks 2946 02:35:03.239 --> 02:35:05.120 wonder why no one hears about these things and really 2947 02:35:05.120 --> 02:35:07.319 doesn't understand, it's because I, in my opinion, they're being 2948 02:35:07.360 --> 02:35:11.000 sam national security, Like I ran Concora with same national 2949 02:35:11.000 --> 02:35:13.600 security and like I believe Idaho four right now, the 2950 02:35:13.639 --> 02:35:16.959 Idaho concience being state national security around these matters. And 2951 02:35:17.360 --> 02:35:19.360 this is my favorite picture to demonstrate an old shirt 2952 02:35:19.520 --> 02:35:22.319 was Cocaine Bob and is huching on this, Henry, but 2953 02:35:23.200 --> 02:35:26.600 it is it's dark right knowing whatever these fellas now. 2954 02:35:26.600 --> 02:35:28.000 But I think that's what we're talking about with this 2955 02:35:28.079 --> 02:35:33.520 wacken Hut promise software stuff Michael kna Shudo. Oh right, 2956 02:35:33.920 --> 02:35:36.399 so that that applies the ultimate evil there, right, because 2957 02:35:36.440 --> 02:35:40.360 Ricona Shudo and Gunderson are providing information to more Retarrian 2958 02:35:40.360 --> 02:35:44.280 at Sanders over the years. Because apparently Riccona Shudo was 2959 02:35:44.319 --> 02:35:47.799 in the Tate Nashbury working Contel Pro four gunners. 2960 02:35:48.040 --> 02:35:50.680 Yeah yeah, and I really can't stand that. That now, 2961 02:35:50.719 --> 02:35:54.159 I understand why people would be skeptical of a kind 2962 02:35:54.159 --> 02:35:57.040 of shooto because he has such a strange background. He's 2963 02:35:57.079 --> 02:36:00.559 obviously involved in covert operations. He was, he was clearly 2964 02:36:00.559 --> 02:36:03.479 an asset for the intelligence community. But he was hung 2965 02:36:03.520 --> 02:36:05.920 out to dry. And I think so many of them 2966 02:36:06.360 --> 02:36:09.680 are effectively hung out to dry because and when and 2967 02:36:09.719 --> 02:36:14.239 when they are framed for domestically trafficking heroin, right, like 2968 02:36:14.239 --> 02:36:16.520 like a Ricana Schutto who's like, yeah, I was doing 2969 02:36:16.520 --> 02:36:20.680 it for the CIA, right, and then right yeah, when he. 2970 02:36:20.600 --> 02:36:26.040 Gets underwater LSD Labs dude, I mean, this dude's new rookie. 2971 02:36:26.399 --> 02:36:29.639 He's the one working at the Cabson Indian Reservation providing 2972 02:36:29.680 --> 02:36:32.079 the back door for the promised software scandal. And I 2973 02:36:32.120 --> 02:36:34.559 mean he claims that's where it was done, which we 2974 02:36:34.639 --> 02:36:38.000 know at this point they the CIA was actively flying 2975 02:36:38.040 --> 02:36:41.479 in Mexican nationals to cook math amphetamines on the on 2976 02:36:41.520 --> 02:36:45.840 the cabs On Indian Reservation, and the they were utilizing 2977 02:36:45.879 --> 02:36:50.920 these Indian reservations for Clindestine black operations within the domestic context. 2978 02:36:51.079 --> 02:36:53.399 It's really what they were doing. And I mean we're 2979 02:36:53.399 --> 02:36:58.239 talking esoteric weapons being you know, uh at least uh 2980 02:36:58.639 --> 02:37:03.120 being you know, effectively pursued and at least tested at 2981 02:37:03.120 --> 02:37:06.319 the Cabazon Indian Reservation. And then, by the way, BCCI 2982 02:37:06.719 --> 02:37:10.600 ties directly back into not only what was being conducted 2983 02:37:10.600 --> 02:37:14.280 through Iran Contra at Cabazon, but Paul Wilcher and the 2984 02:37:14.319 --> 02:37:17.719 Wilcher Report that was sent to Janet Reno, Attorney General 2985 02:37:17.760 --> 02:37:22.680 at the time of Waco. And through this connection, it 2986 02:37:22.959 --> 02:37:26.959 seemingly it looks like this individual named Gunter Carl Russbacher, 2987 02:37:27.360 --> 02:37:32.120 who was allegedly a CIA covert domestic black operative. He 2988 02:37:32.680 --> 02:37:37.120 apparently was the individual now Paul Wilcher, by the way, 2989 02:37:37.200 --> 02:37:41.239 who was what presented to the task force who were 2990 02:37:41.319 --> 02:37:46.399 investigating the October Surprise during Iran Contra, where right, the 2991 02:37:46.520 --> 02:37:50.360 hostages and all of this is being the negotiations are 2992 02:37:50.360 --> 02:37:53.159 taking place. He claims that he was the CIA covert 2993 02:37:53.159 --> 02:37:58.479 operative who flew George Bussr And a lot of different 2994 02:37:58.520 --> 02:38:05.319 individuals apparently into Paris for the alleged meeting right where 2995 02:38:05.360 --> 02:38:09.319 he flew them across the Atlantic to that story. Yeah, 2996 02:38:09.440 --> 02:38:12.639 and he says that William Casey was on the plane, 2997 02:38:13.000 --> 02:38:17.559 Donald Greg Robert Gates. All these individuals we have, like, 2998 02:38:17.840 --> 02:38:20.200 let's see who else, who's. 2999 02:38:20.000 --> 02:38:22.799 Who have scumbaggery? If you asked me an Iran concerce scandal, 3000 02:38:22.799 --> 02:38:24.239 and I'm glad you brought that up because if I 3001 02:38:24.239 --> 02:38:26.440 may just put a quick note here on the Iran 3002 02:38:26.479 --> 02:38:29.479 concer in Idaho, John Michael Hand of Nougahan Bank would 3003 02:38:29.479 --> 02:38:32.559 be found living under a presumed identity in Idaho Falls, 3004 02:38:32.559 --> 02:38:37.280 Idaho in twenty fifteen, thirty five years after his constituent 3005 02:38:38.120 --> 02:38:41.559 was Michael or something Newgan commits suicide. He walks on 3006 02:38:42.000 --> 02:38:44.959 like Epstein, like Cocaine Bob, like Leon Black, like a 3007 02:38:44.959 --> 02:38:46.840 lot of these folks. They all just happened to walk 3008 02:38:47.239 --> 02:38:51.120 on major charges of money laundering, cocaine trafficking, and murderer. 3009 02:38:51.959 --> 02:38:53.799 I'm ex give me one say I'd be right back falls. 3010 02:38:54.159 --> 02:38:57.559 How are you good, buddy man, I'm just saying like 3011 02:38:57.799 --> 02:39:01.959 as far as Waco specifically, though I couldn't even believe that. 3012 02:39:02.000 --> 02:39:06.879 Through this Wilter report, I discovered that allegedly Koresh and 3013 02:39:07.040 --> 02:39:11.319 six others in the Branch Davidians that were a part 3014 02:39:11.360 --> 02:39:14.479 of his inner circle. According to this Paul Wilter report, 3015 02:39:14.559 --> 02:39:18.399 they were deep cover CIA operatives who had refused in 3016 02:39:18.600 --> 02:39:21.799 order to activate against an unknown target, and that they 3017 02:39:21.799 --> 02:39:26.159 were actually developing an explosive device at the Branch Davidian 3018 02:39:26.200 --> 02:39:29.440 complex and this was a part of their MK Ultra conditioning, 3019 02:39:29.840 --> 02:39:33.360 And that apparently a lot of the green Berets had 3020 02:39:33.399 --> 02:39:36.959 been conditioned in MK Ultra as well as far as 3021 02:39:37.000 --> 02:39:40.959 these sophisticated techniques, and that that they were then waking 3022 02:39:41.079 --> 02:39:44.000 up from their prior programming at certain levels, which was 3023 02:39:44.120 --> 02:39:52.319 very interesting to me that even even uh ruby Ridge, right, 3024 02:39:52.680 --> 02:39:56.840 Randy Weaver, even Randy Yeah, even he was mentioned as 3025 02:39:56.879 --> 02:40:02.799 potentially being h basically conditioned in these mind control techniques. 3026 02:40:02.840 --> 02:40:05.319 And then that due to his wife Vicky, he was 3027 02:40:05.319 --> 02:40:08.760 waking up to these prior conditioning techniques that and his 3028 02:40:08.840 --> 02:40:12.280 prior programming, and therefore she became the priority target whenever 3029 02:40:12.319 --> 02:40:15.600 they went up to Ruby Ridge. Was because he was 3030 02:40:15.639 --> 02:40:19.559 effectively rejecting his programming of apparently committing some sort of 3031 02:40:20.000 --> 02:40:25.000 domestic terror operation which they could drive to kind of 3032 02:40:25.079 --> 02:40:28.520 exploit in terms of pat con, which was just kind 3033 02:40:28.520 --> 02:40:30.719 of the right wing co intel program that was being 3034 02:40:30.799 --> 02:40:35.879 ran at the time, kind of staging OKAC, which obviously, 3035 02:40:36.319 --> 02:40:40.959 you know, led to kind of the what was the 3036 02:40:41.040 --> 02:40:46.879 initial legislation that became the precursor to the Patriot Act obviously, 3037 02:40:47.319 --> 02:40:49.040 but within the context. 3038 02:40:49.120 --> 02:40:54.079 Ninety five legislation by Joe Biden exactly exactly. 3039 02:40:55.000 --> 02:40:56.600 And it turns out there. 3040 02:40:56.760 --> 02:40:59.360 Right, and if I made on one note, made you 3041 02:40:59.479 --> 02:41:01.879 just I mean, you're you're you're blowing up my brain 3042 02:41:01.920 --> 02:41:04.520 all here, Austin, and we're still almost three hours and 3043 02:41:04.600 --> 02:41:07.959 you're still successfully doing that. So when you're considering because I, 3044 02:41:08.000 --> 02:41:09.879 you know, I I as much as I've thought about 3045 02:41:09.879 --> 02:41:13.280 Idaho contraum and all these other weird activities around the situation, 3046 02:41:14.079 --> 02:41:16.559 you know, I just I just right now, when you're talking, 3047 02:41:16.600 --> 02:41:20.040 I just considered John Michael Han former Green Berey. We 3048 02:41:20.159 --> 02:41:22.799 were former Green Beray. They're both in Idaho. Like you're 3049 02:41:22.799 --> 02:41:25.399 gonna tell me, these these folks aren't communicating or somehow 3050 02:41:25.440 --> 02:41:26.959 interacting with one another. 3051 02:41:27.040 --> 02:41:29.920 Right Yeah, it's hard to imagine that they wouldn't be. 3052 02:41:30.200 --> 02:41:35.280 And and especially how again, this is a subset, This 3053 02:41:35.360 --> 02:41:39.520 is a very small portion that people don't realize, is uh. 3054 02:41:39.840 --> 02:41:42.959 You know, it's an exclusive community of individuals, right, who 3055 02:41:42.959 --> 02:41:48.319 are very well trained and and I think, uh understanding. Yeah, 3056 02:41:48.360 --> 02:41:50.360 And Tim McVay said the same thing as far as 3057 02:41:50.399 --> 02:41:53.840 his the Green Berey training, that most of the Special 3058 02:41:53.840 --> 02:41:58.600 Forces operative operatives within the context of this, uh, this 3059 02:41:59.000 --> 02:42:03.639 elite group of Green Berets were definitely forced to go 3060 02:42:03.719 --> 02:42:07.600 through this mind control sophisticated programming techniques. 3061 02:42:07.719 --> 02:42:10.799 And that was was requirement as part of their training. 3062 02:42:10.719 --> 02:42:13.879 Exactly, That's what they said. And so it makes a 3063 02:42:13.920 --> 02:42:17.159 lot of sense to me, and and and for again 3064 02:42:17.239 --> 02:42:20.200 this Wilchair report, which came in three separate parts, that 3065 02:42:20.280 --> 02:42:24.040 claims that David Koresh was a sleeper who had been 3066 02:42:24.120 --> 02:42:28.079 subjected to extensive CIA mind control training and programming, and 3067 02:42:28.120 --> 02:42:31.760 that apparently Waco was a major center for such CIA 3068 02:42:31.840 --> 02:42:35.719 mind control experimentation and programming, with much of this activity 3069 02:42:35.719 --> 02:42:39.719 occurring at the CIA's Leadership Management Institute in Waco. The 3070 02:42:39.879 --> 02:42:42.520 l M I and I have. 3071 02:42:42.520 --> 02:42:44.479 To ask you to cease some assystem blowing up a brand. 3072 02:42:44.479 --> 02:42:46.120 Hold the minister, because you were one of the few, 3073 02:42:46.399 --> 02:42:48.120 if not the only, one that wants to bring up 3074 02:42:48.360 --> 02:42:51.799 weapons trafficking around the Waco situation. Because that's what I've 3075 02:42:51.799 --> 02:42:53.559 looked at what those Branch Davidians were doing. They were 3076 02:42:53.559 --> 02:42:54.559 selling a lot of guns. 3077 02:42:54.639 --> 02:42:58.440 Yeah, yeah, right, there's all of my fucking gun shows, 3078 02:42:58.479 --> 02:42:59.040 weren't they. 3079 02:42:59.159 --> 02:43:01.159 You can tell the price of all day long and say, 3080 02:43:01.360 --> 02:43:04.120 you know, the government ever reached these people either were 3081 02:43:04.120 --> 02:43:06.639 in bed with the government trafficking weapons in around this 3082 02:43:06.680 --> 02:43:10.959 Iran contra stuff and or what were solid a witness it. 3083 02:43:10.959 --> 02:43:13.360 And I say that to make this point. The main 3084 02:43:13.479 --> 02:43:16.399 weapons small arms weapons Depot and Iran concert was being 3085 02:43:16.479 --> 02:43:19.040 run out of a place called Camp Bullis. It's an 3086 02:43:19.040 --> 02:43:23.000 Air Force training installation in the outskirts of San Antonio, Texas. YEP. 3087 02:43:23.799 --> 02:43:26.200 That is not that far south from Waco. If you 3088 02:43:26.239 --> 02:43:28.600 want to go to and from the border, perfect. 3089 02:43:28.200 --> 02:43:32.000 Pit stop exactly. And also you know what else was 3090 02:43:32.120 --> 02:43:35.559 named within the context of this Not only the CIA 3091 02:43:35.719 --> 02:43:39.440 was utilizing the LMI in Waco, but they named in 3092 02:43:39.520 --> 02:43:45.120 this report Salt Lake City, Utah, Provo Utah, Logan, Utah, 3093 02:43:45.319 --> 02:43:46.719 and Boise, Idaho. 3094 02:43:47.399 --> 02:43:51.000 Get out of Town dude, I swear on now, dude, 3095 02:43:51.239 --> 02:43:53.559 you just identify and Nick Nicks Nick let up because 3096 02:43:53.559 --> 02:43:55.639 we've talked about all these locations relative to the Idaho 3097 02:43:55.719 --> 02:43:57.760 contrace stuff. So that's what I'm saying. You just hit 3098 02:43:57.799 --> 02:43:59.440 on a lot of targets there. Man, I'm gonna have 3099 02:43:59.520 --> 02:44:01.600 to have to ask you for a copy of this report. 3100 02:44:02.000 --> 02:44:05.200 I'll send it to This. 3101 02:44:05.360 --> 02:44:07.600 Is fucking amazing. Man, that's great stuff right there. I'm 3102 02:44:07.600 --> 02:44:10.239 gonna have to dive into some more land so if 3103 02:44:10.280 --> 02:44:13.520 I can bring this again again. I appreciate all all 3104 02:44:13.559 --> 02:44:15.719 these details and the conversation. Man, it's great stuff. And 3105 02:44:15.760 --> 02:44:17.920 I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm looking. I'm gonna go 3106 02:44:17.959 --> 02:44:19.799 ahead and look look forward to our next conversation. I'm 3107 02:44:19.799 --> 02:44:21.920 gonna say I'm not gonna let you leave after the show. 3108 02:44:21.920 --> 02:44:23.760 I'm not gonna let you leave until we booked something 3109 02:44:23.760 --> 02:44:24.760 for the next conversation. 3110 02:44:25.079 --> 02:44:26.399 Sounds being held. 3111 02:44:26.319 --> 02:44:28.520 Hostage until then, because I'm sure you feel the same way. 3112 02:44:28.520 --> 02:44:30.399 It looks like by the reaction he is just saying. 3113 02:44:30.440 --> 02:44:32.639 So No, I definitely appreciate all this time. I mean, 3114 02:44:32.639 --> 02:44:38.360 the chat season be very loving. All your your details 3115 02:44:38.360 --> 02:44:40.639 are dropping a lot of details. I love details and 3116 02:44:40.639 --> 02:44:42.959 the details oriented individually. Appreciate you guys. 3117 02:44:42.959 --> 02:44:45.559 Honestly, you're blowing my mind as well, because I feel 3118 02:44:45.559 --> 02:44:48.959 like whenever we have a meeting of the minds like this, uh, 3119 02:44:49.159 --> 02:44:52.799 you know, it's each individually goes down different paths of 3120 02:44:52.920 --> 02:44:55.920 research and investigation. And so we have so much I 3121 02:44:55.920 --> 02:44:59.879 feel like fill in various holes that that we might 3122 02:45:00.159 --> 02:45:03.639 have realized, you know. And and you seem to fill 3123 02:45:03.639 --> 02:45:06.440 in quite quite a few different holes and within the 3124 02:45:06.760 --> 02:45:09.799 context of the puzzle pieces that I'm considering in this 3125 02:45:09.920 --> 02:45:13.680 wider network that seems to be well established and very 3126 02:45:13.719 --> 02:45:17.079 much connected. Right so, ill. 3127 02:45:17.319 --> 02:45:20.120 So when you're talking Timothy mcveig, we're talking Iran cons 3128 02:45:20.239 --> 02:45:23.280 we're talking about the use of flying drugs in this country. 3129 02:45:23.639 --> 02:45:27.040 His Now, folks may not realize this, his sister did 3130 02:45:27.079 --> 02:45:29.639 it this year, remember with this document his sister's deposition 3131 02:45:29.719 --> 02:45:33.120 regarding these matters. Yep, Jennifer Vay, would you like to 3132 02:45:33.159 --> 02:45:35.319 describe this for the folks of the interwebs are also. 3133 02:45:35.799 --> 02:45:39.879 Reading through the really the original New York Times article 3134 02:45:39.879 --> 02:45:43.040 as well that that came through that that proved kind 3135 02:45:43.079 --> 02:45:47.559 of Tim mcvay's just he was essentially having like an 3136 02:45:48.600 --> 02:45:52.840 emotional breakdown. He really like it had to do with 3137 02:45:52.920 --> 02:45:55.920 his his uh, what his grandpa as well, right, which 3138 02:45:55.959 --> 02:45:59.040 which was very interesting as far as the connection there 3139 02:45:59.120 --> 02:46:05.200 to to him essentially, you know, really just having to 3140 02:46:05.239 --> 02:46:08.360 tell someone about this cleandestine life that he was living, 3141 02:46:08.440 --> 02:46:11.440 right and and uh and at the very least he 3142 02:46:11.879 --> 02:46:15.120 seemed to have needed to get something off of his chest, 3143 02:46:15.239 --> 02:46:20.120 which I found fascinating, right that he kept telling uh, 3144 02:46:20.360 --> 02:46:23.319 at least attempted to tell some some people, even his 3145 02:46:23.360 --> 02:46:26.040 mom and sister right after the fact, claimed that they 3146 02:46:26.079 --> 02:46:30.440 were being surveiled very heavily, right within the context of 3147 02:46:30.440 --> 02:46:34.559 of of the federal agents who were obviously affiliated with 3148 02:46:34.559 --> 02:46:39.799 with attempting to keep this all undercover, facilitate the cover up, 3149 02:46:39.879 --> 02:46:44.120 right in many different ways. And so yeah, I think 3150 02:46:44.159 --> 02:46:48.799 that it's very strange to see that he was actually 3151 02:46:48.840 --> 02:46:51.079 claiming that he was he was flying in drugs and 3152 02:46:51.319 --> 02:46:56.760 basically you know, running a round contra right as. 3153 02:46:55.639 --> 02:46:58.239 Right, here's Quota saying it's crazy. Right, So if you 3154 02:46:58.319 --> 02:47:01.079 mean on the way we're sold these narratives, it seems 3155 02:47:01.680 --> 02:47:04.079 to be lamity tunes, right, Nick, Is that what you're 3156 02:47:04.079 --> 02:47:07.879 gonna say? What you have to say? 3157 02:47:08.040 --> 02:47:10.760 Oh no, no, it was actually just sitting up to uh. 3158 02:47:11.319 --> 02:47:13.440 Oh yeah, so you know it says he says number one, 3159 02:47:13.559 --> 02:47:16.120 he would we would be helping with the the c 3160 02:47:16.159 --> 02:47:19.079 I A fly drugs into the US to fund many 3161 02:47:19.120 --> 02:47:23.280 covert operations. I ran contrasts. So I think that's very fascinating. 3162 02:47:23.319 --> 02:47:25.120 You have a guy who's been apparently sheep dip through 3163 02:47:25.200 --> 02:47:27.399 Army special Forces. You know what I mean? Again speaking 3164 02:47:27.399 --> 02:47:30.680 to how these kind of matters work, and uh and again, Austin, 3165 02:47:30.719 --> 02:47:34.840 I don't wanna. I don't wanna shorten this conversation where 3166 02:47:34.840 --> 02:47:36.360 I have to, but I do have I have to go. 3167 02:47:36.680 --> 02:47:38.200 I have another show, I have other I have other 3168 02:47:38.319 --> 02:47:41.760 uh uh things I need attend to here over my 3169 02:47:41.959 --> 02:47:44.319 speaking of Idaho stuff, I like to recommend you don't 3170 02:47:44.319 --> 02:47:46.280 folks going to check out Kneb's The Purge. I was 3171 02:47:46.319 --> 02:47:50.520 over there earlier today providing my Idaho for weekly dissertations 3172 02:47:50.959 --> 02:47:53.000 and going back over here this evening. But I would 3173 02:47:53.040 --> 02:47:55.079 like to put the pin in this subject right here 3174 02:47:55.120 --> 02:47:57.239 for our next conversation, if you will, sir, before we 3175 02:47:57.280 --> 02:48:00.319 have some closing remarks and whatnot. But have you heard 3176 02:48:00.360 --> 02:48:01.959 the name Edward Wayne Edwards. 3177 02:48:03.520 --> 02:48:06.079 I don't think I have honestly, I'm not sure. 3178 02:48:05.600 --> 02:48:09.239 He's perhaps the most prolific serial killer you've never heard of, 3179 02:48:09.280 --> 02:48:11.799 and apparently many people may never hear of because the 3180 02:48:12.360 --> 02:48:16.040 private detector or the former homicide detective who wrote that 3181 02:48:16.079 --> 02:48:19.239 book and had that website there, Cold Case Cameron, Apparently 3182 02:48:19.280 --> 02:48:21.840 the websites now down, but here on the webar archives, 3183 02:48:21.879 --> 02:48:24.639 I'll eave a link you will find he's done a 3184 02:48:24.639 --> 02:48:28.000 whole study on the serial killer's background. Now he alleges 3185 02:48:28.079 --> 02:48:30.600 he's involved in all these murderers, including the Zodiac, and 3186 02:48:31.399 --> 02:48:33.159 you know, we'll get into that too. There's, you know, 3187 02:48:33.479 --> 02:48:35.799 some great evidence of that. You know that that at least. 3188 02:48:35.760 --> 02:48:38.399 About Bill Metzer being the Zodiac. Have you heard that? 3189 02:48:38.600 --> 02:48:41.600 Just people like claiming that he was potentially ind with 3190 02:48:41.639 --> 02:48:44.840 some of the Zodiac killings, which I found very strange, 3191 02:48:44.920 --> 02:48:46.879 but it's intriguing. 3192 02:48:46.920 --> 02:48:48.920 But so if you're familiar with the Lake Berry, Esa guy, 3193 02:48:49.040 --> 02:48:52.319 the details he gives the victim are all details of 3194 02:48:52.440 --> 02:48:54.760 Edward Wayne Edwards's life. He broke out of Red Lodge 3195 02:48:54.760 --> 02:48:58.239 prison in Montana. There was a prison guard murdered, he 3196 02:48:58.280 --> 02:49:01.559 stole a car, he drove to Mexico. That's August of 3197 02:49:01.840 --> 02:49:05.319 nineteen sixty nine, when in reality, that's when this guy 3198 02:49:05.319 --> 02:49:07.479 in the hooded mass tells the victim the victims of 3199 02:49:07.559 --> 02:49:10.239 Lake Berry, so once survives, right, right, that was in 3200 02:49:10.239 --> 02:49:12.159 my opinion, that was a snuff film. The folks on 3201 02:49:12.200 --> 02:49:14.520 the boat in nearby that never helped the victims they 3202 02:49:14.559 --> 02:49:17.399 were filming. So the reason why during the daylight you 3203 02:49:17.440 --> 02:49:19.319 have a giant knife and a mask because you want 3204 02:49:19.360 --> 02:49:21.159 to obscure the man's identity and you need to be 3205 02:49:21.159 --> 02:49:22.479 able to see the weapon from a distance. 3206 02:49:22.639 --> 02:49:26.319 That's fascinating, man, And now I know that Detective James 3207 02:49:26.360 --> 02:49:31.479 Rothstein claims that not only Jeffrey Dahmer, but but the 3208 02:49:31.600 --> 02:49:34.799 Zodiac was directly tied into the obviously the Son of 3209 02:49:34.840 --> 02:49:37.719 Sam killings, which he claimed the process was, you know, 3210 02:49:37.799 --> 02:49:42.399 the coalescing organization that drew them all together. Which that's 3211 02:49:42.479 --> 02:49:44.559 perfect in my mind, it makes a lot of sense. 3212 02:49:44.639 --> 02:49:46.879 But what do you think about the Zodiac just being 3213 02:49:47.959 --> 02:49:51.879 like many of these cases, kind of not responsible for 3214 02:49:51.959 --> 02:49:54.239 as many of the deaths that they claim. And obviously 3215 02:49:54.280 --> 02:49:59.639 it was some sort of potentially targeted assassination fustian ritual 3216 02:49:59.680 --> 02:50:02.680 snuff murders as well. But but you know, obviously. 3217 02:50:03.440 --> 02:50:05.239 You know, you just identified it man. It's also it's 3218 02:50:05.280 --> 02:50:07.440 the same, it's the same, Emma. Right, We've been discussing. 3219 02:50:07.479 --> 02:50:09.799 It's it's the whole hog approach. It's a it's a 3220 02:50:09.840 --> 02:50:12.600 team of killers, it's not one killer. I would argue 3221 02:50:12.600 --> 02:50:14.879 the man in the mask was was Edward when Edwards 3222 02:50:14.920 --> 02:50:18.200 because again he gave the details he gave were actual details, 3223 02:50:18.239 --> 02:50:21.200 but they were from ten years prior Edwards did those things. 3224 02:50:21.200 --> 02:50:23.680 In fifty nine, he was the number one suspect on 3225 02:50:23.719 --> 02:50:26.239 the FBI's most Wanted list at the age of twenty two. 3226 02:50:26.920 --> 02:50:29.000 Oh my god, that's he. 3227 02:50:30.399 --> 02:50:33.840 Later inserts him. And he grew up with Charles Manson 3228 02:50:33.840 --> 02:50:35.879 at the at the Chilicothee Boys Reformatory. 3229 02:50:36.000 --> 02:50:40.680 No go to boys Town, right, they both made the 3230 02:50:40.680 --> 02:50:42.399 Boystown infect. 3231 02:50:42.600 --> 02:50:46.079 What the hell, dude, you're killing me? That is fascinating. 3232 02:50:46.760 --> 02:50:49.280 During the Atlanta child killings, and this is I give 3233 02:50:49.479 --> 02:50:52.280 John Cameron the you know, he takes a lot of flak. 3234 02:50:52.319 --> 02:50:56.000 He did a Paramount plus series with Edward when Edwards's grandson, 3235 02:50:56.200 --> 02:50:59.079 and you know, and again he's he may have ever 3236 02:50:59.120 --> 02:51:01.799 accept some of his his theories with you know, John 3237 02:51:01.799 --> 02:51:05.120 Binney Ramsey and everything else that he accuses Edwards evolved 3238 02:51:05.120 --> 02:51:07.680 but I think he nails it because Edwards is like 3239 02:51:07.760 --> 02:51:09.879 a general in that hand of death cult you were 3240 02:51:09.920 --> 02:51:13.239 referring to, right, So I look at him as a general, right, 3241 02:51:13.280 --> 02:51:15.000 and I'm happy that's what I'm saying. Let's put a 3242 02:51:15.000 --> 02:51:16.120 pen in some of this stuff, but I want to 3243 02:51:16.159 --> 02:51:20.159 leave it here. He invades the Atlanta Child Killing Task 3244 02:51:20.239 --> 02:51:22.000 Force as a marryat a police sergeant. 3245 02:51:23.399 --> 02:51:24.920 What is full name? Right now? 3246 02:51:24.959 --> 02:51:28.159 I need to know Edward Wayne Edwards, and I'll send 3247 02:51:28.159 --> 02:51:30.239 you link to all this stuff, and I'll even send 3248 02:51:30.239 --> 02:51:33.280 you link to the time where he uh got himself 3249 02:51:33.319 --> 02:51:40.120 on the TV show the game show Who's I'll find it? 3250 02:51:40.399 --> 02:51:45.239 Him and Alan Alda Alan Guess people on the Yeah. 3251 02:51:45.120 --> 02:51:47.559 While I'm while I'm meandering about my thoughts here, I'll 3252 02:51:47.559 --> 02:51:49.479 find that clip real quick. But this is him with 3253 02:51:49.520 --> 02:51:52.959 the Atlanta police captain, right. So he had a relationship 3254 02:51:52.959 --> 02:51:54.520 with him because when he was the number one FBI 3255 02:51:54.639 --> 02:51:57.559 most wanted dude. This is who busted him in Atlanta, 3256 02:51:57.600 --> 02:52:00.840 I think in sixty two, So he he's back there later. 3257 02:52:00.920 --> 02:52:03.319 This is during the child killings. He's taking a photograph 3258 02:52:03.399 --> 02:52:07.280 with this dude, right. This dude's protege is running the 3259 02:52:07.319 --> 02:52:12.000 task force. Edwards infiltrates that task force wearing a Mariada 3260 02:52:12.000 --> 02:52:16.079 police sergeant's uniform. That police sergeant's uniform is found in 3261 02:52:16.120 --> 02:52:19.799 an arson back in Pennsylvania in eighty three when they're 3262 02:52:19.840 --> 02:52:22.239 investigating the arson. He didn't he didn't do a good 3263 02:52:22.319 --> 02:52:24.440 at ed wasn't as good as he thought he was 3264 02:52:24.840 --> 02:52:27.639 doing good job. The uniform was still in the closet. 3265 02:52:27.840 --> 02:52:30.559 They then find him. The FBI finds him and arrests 3266 02:52:30.639 --> 02:52:33.799 him not at this dude's house, but at a Marietta 3267 02:52:33.879 --> 02:52:36.840 police sergeant's house in Marietta, Georgia in nineteen eighty three. 3268 02:52:36.959 --> 02:52:39.399 So that's what I want to I want to put 3269 02:52:39.399 --> 02:52:41.079 a pen in that stuff, because again, this is the 3270 02:52:41.120 --> 02:52:43.719 man here on the left who gave the details of 3271 02:52:43.760 --> 02:52:47.840 Lake Berryessa accurately to this description. He is the wrong time, 3272 02:52:48.360 --> 02:52:48.799 wrong time. 3273 02:52:49.559 --> 02:52:53.680 Yeah, truth is far a stranger than fiction, right man. 3274 02:52:54.520 --> 02:52:57.479 So if I if I can ask again, I appreciate 3275 02:52:57.479 --> 02:52:59.280 your time, Austin. I look forward to the next conversation. 3276 02:52:59.440 --> 02:53:03.440 But uh, this conversation was fantastic, and Nick, as always, 3277 02:53:03.479 --> 02:53:06.520 I appreciate your insights and time and you know these, uh, 3278 02:53:06.520 --> 02:53:09.360 these ideas of managing together something the Coult practices were, 3279 02:53:09.680 --> 02:53:12.040 you know, or seemingly strange to me. But you know, 3280 02:53:12.079 --> 02:53:14.399 I think, you know, Nick, Nick has a much better understanding, 3281 02:53:14.440 --> 02:53:16.600 and I think on along these lines of Fleema to 3282 02:53:16.760 --> 02:53:19.559 understand that that may maybe more practical than some of 3283 02:53:19.559 --> 02:53:22.200 their boundaries as far as incorporating the Buddhism and the Christians. 3284 02:53:22.159 --> 02:53:27.479 Oh yeah, for sure, great insight. The if I can 3285 02:53:27.520 --> 02:53:29.879 offer some closing sagency they're also and I'll look for that. Ever, 3286 02:53:29.959 --> 02:53:32.399 Whin Edwards, Cliff, why while you're doing that. 3287 02:53:32.079 --> 02:53:35.440 Awesome yeah, and i'll uh, I'll send you those those uh, 3288 02:53:35.959 --> 02:53:38.799 at least a few of the sources that I was 3289 02:53:38.879 --> 02:53:41.799 utilizing earlier that that you had asked for. Because again, 3290 02:53:41.879 --> 02:53:45.799 it's like anytime we can kind of you know, bridge 3291 02:53:45.840 --> 02:53:50.280 the gaps and and attempt to to at least coalesce 3292 02:53:50.319 --> 02:53:52.760 and bring these these thoughts together and and fill in 3293 02:53:52.799 --> 02:53:57.239 these these various holes and and the puzzle pieces necessary 3294 02:53:57.319 --> 02:54:00.000 to to understand in a better and more conceptive concept 3295 02:54:00.000 --> 02:54:01.639 actual way I. 3296 02:54:02.159 --> 02:54:04.479 Could have said it better myself. That's that's an excellent 3297 02:54:04.479 --> 02:54:05.280 way to phrase. 3298 02:54:05.319 --> 02:54:07.879 That's the goal, right, and and that's that's all I 3299 02:54:07.879 --> 02:54:11.000 can hope to accomplish. And and again you guys, man, 3300 02:54:11.040 --> 02:54:13.719 thank you so much. I cannot tell you how much 3301 02:54:13.719 --> 02:54:16.200 I appreciate you guys for just giving me the opportunity 3302 02:54:16.200 --> 02:54:18.200 to come on the show and have a platform to 3303 02:54:18.200 --> 02:54:21.719 have a conversation that's worthwhile. Again, because this is all 3304 02:54:21.760 --> 02:54:25.440 I I I really hope to achieve at this moment, 3305 02:54:25.639 --> 02:54:29.680 because I'm under no real delusion that that I'm going 3306 02:54:29.719 --> 02:54:33.840 to personally have some sort of like, uh, you know, 3307 02:54:34.559 --> 02:54:38.920 a profound impact on the way society is heading. You know, 3308 02:54:39.000 --> 02:54:43.120 it's like, you know, I'm not at all, but I 3309 02:54:43.200 --> 02:54:47.120 do have an objective in mind, and that is just 3310 02:54:47.200 --> 02:54:52.079 to spend my time, you know, pursuing these these avenues 3311 02:54:52.120 --> 02:54:56.440 of interest that will hopefully provide more of a conceptual 3312 02:54:56.559 --> 02:55:01.440 understanding of of in a far more plausible alternative version 3313 02:55:01.600 --> 02:55:04.399 of history and reality as we face it today in 3314 02:55:04.479 --> 02:55:06.639 modern terms. And I think that much of this has 3315 02:55:06.719 --> 02:55:12.040 been through the occult lens utilized to deliberately deceive us 3316 02:55:12.079 --> 02:55:16.280 into to falling into traps ideologically and and facilitating the 3317 02:55:16.360 --> 02:55:19.760 very system as it is currently structured. And so anytime 3318 02:55:19.799 --> 02:55:23.719 we can kind of like pierce through that veil and 3319 02:55:23.959 --> 02:55:27.559 and provide a window into the right that this sort 3320 02:55:27.559 --> 02:55:32.920 of psychological uh, you know, covert, it's it's a psyop, 3321 02:55:33.000 --> 02:55:37.399 but cultural engineering as well, like social engineering and cultural creation. 3322 02:55:37.840 --> 02:55:40.920 The process, right, social turbulence, the paper written by Eric 3323 02:55:41.799 --> 02:55:43.120 Eric trist Ra Allan trist. 3324 02:55:44.600 --> 02:55:44.799 Yeah. 3325 02:55:44.879 --> 02:55:47.319 Yeah, one was the dad who worked with who came 3326 02:55:47.360 --> 02:55:49.680 over to who was from the Tavistock founder, who wrote 3327 02:55:49.680 --> 02:55:52.399 the Social Turbulence paper, which seems to be what the 3328 02:55:52.399 --> 02:55:54.799 purpose of the process is. And then he just happened 3329 02:55:54.799 --> 02:55:56.319 to come to America at the same time as the 3330 02:55:56.360 --> 02:55:59.879 process and go to USLA and work with Lewis Jellon 3331 02:56:01.360 --> 02:56:01.879 of course. 3332 02:56:02.360 --> 02:56:04.280 Yeah, which by the way, he has a files on 3333 02:56:05.000 --> 02:56:08.680 the Waco incident as well, and it turned out as 3334 02:56:08.680 --> 02:56:14.000 SECUR potentially being involved in treating David Koresh at a 3335 02:56:14.000 --> 02:56:16.840 certain point. So I'm not sure. I still haven't found 3336 02:56:16.920 --> 02:56:20.600 like direct corroboration as far as the evidence is concerned 3337 02:56:20.600 --> 02:56:23.200 to prove that out, but I know that when they 3338 02:56:23.319 --> 02:56:27.719 rated his files at UCLA, the Waco children were a huge, 3339 02:56:28.280 --> 02:56:31.719 huge part of one of those files. And even in 3340 02:56:31.760 --> 02:56:34.360 the finders, right, what do they find peer to peer 3341 02:56:34.399 --> 02:56:39.360 communication network in a computer system set up private computer 3342 02:56:39.639 --> 02:56:44.479 nodes set up in nineteen eighty seven, This is unprecedented 3343 02:56:44.520 --> 02:56:48.520 in many ways, YEP set up in communication with an 3344 02:56:48.600 --> 02:56:54.399 asset in the Chinese embassy to procure yes from the Chinese. 3345 02:56:54.920 --> 02:56:57.440 It's it's a dark consideration to see to consider where 3346 02:56:57.440 --> 02:56:59.520 that may have evolved to since it goes un checked, right, 3347 02:56:59.559 --> 02:57:01.600 But I totally, I totally agree with you on the 3348 02:57:01.639 --> 02:57:05.200 concepts of you know, working in interchangeable ideas and working 3349 02:57:05.239 --> 02:57:07.600 with folks. And I greatly you know. I hope you'll 3350 02:57:07.639 --> 02:57:11.360 join us again again on future conversations here on Fridays 3351 02:57:11.399 --> 02:57:14.479 the Operation GC Live and you know, of course Nick 3352 02:57:14.520 --> 02:57:16.120 will have both of us maybe over there in the 3353 02:57:16.120 --> 02:57:19.479 occult Rejects we can have some occult rejects assaults on 3354 02:57:19.520 --> 02:57:25.520 these on these topics. I'm obviously being facetious Nick. Again, 3355 02:57:26.040 --> 02:57:28.360 thank you both. I appreciate you both. 3356 02:57:28.360 --> 02:57:30.600 And it's nice to officially meet you guys. And and 3357 02:57:30.639 --> 02:57:33.920 again this sort of very very easy conversation, you know, 3358 02:57:34.000 --> 02:57:35.959 I feel like it flowed very well and to be 3359 02:57:36.440 --> 02:57:38.719 you guys are are easy to talk to and and 3360 02:57:38.760 --> 02:57:41.280 I can't thank you enough again, Man, appreciate you guys. 3361 02:57:41.360 --> 02:57:43.399 Oh, thank you for coming on. Man, that was amazing. 3362 02:57:43.520 --> 02:57:45.200 So I'll have your links in the show notes. Do 3363 02:57:45.200 --> 02:57:47.760 you have any any plugs here for for we department 3364 02:57:47.840 --> 02:57:50.440 on Nick and obviously I mean obviously before Nick and 3365 02:57:50.440 --> 02:57:51.760 I make some staves. But yeah, do you have any 3366 02:57:51.959 --> 02:57:53.319 any last plugs? Are awesome? 3367 02:57:53.639 --> 02:57:56.159 Really all I all, Uh, the best place to find 3368 02:57:56.200 --> 02:57:59.239 me is the Underclass Podcast. I think the best place 3369 02:57:59.280 --> 02:58:02.040 to support me if if anything I've ever said has 3370 02:58:02.079 --> 02:58:04.959 resonated with you enough and you have the means available 3371 02:58:04.959 --> 02:58:07.799 to to to send anything my way, then of course 3372 02:58:07.879 --> 02:58:10.879 Patreon dot com slash the Underclass Podcast the best place. 3373 02:58:11.360 --> 02:58:13.520 I at least have some sort of incentive in place 3374 02:58:13.520 --> 02:58:16.680 as well for any sort of supporters that they want 3375 02:58:16.760 --> 02:58:21.200 to you know, uh, at least kind of like I 3376 02:58:21.200 --> 02:58:24.280 think it's interesting. Well, first of all, I have a 3377 02:58:24.399 --> 02:58:27.719 Paywalt show called whatever This Is with Brad Binkley and 3378 02:58:27.719 --> 02:58:30.840 Sam Sam Tripley, and and that has been like an extreme, 3379 02:58:30.959 --> 02:58:35.760 extraordinary blessing because again they're both people that I admire 3380 02:58:36.000 --> 02:58:38.879 and I think are willing to have objective and uh, 3381 02:58:39.319 --> 02:58:42.559 you know, open minded conversations and and consider our new 3382 02:58:42.600 --> 02:58:47.200 ideas and and again, you know, anytime that you have 3383 02:58:47.239 --> 02:58:50.840 the ability to pursue this in in that fashion, then 3384 02:58:50.920 --> 02:58:53.879 I feel like that is the divine path of some kind. 3385 02:58:53.959 --> 02:58:54.120 Right. 3386 02:58:54.360 --> 02:58:56.639 I'm not sure exactly how to explain it, but that's 3387 02:58:56.680 --> 02:58:58.079 how it feels like, I. 3388 02:58:58.040 --> 02:58:59.799 Like, I like the way you like your stylers or 3389 02:59:00.159 --> 02:59:00.600 what do you think? 3390 02:59:01.000 --> 02:59:03.360 Thank you brother? But yeah again, thank you guys so much. 3391 02:59:03.399 --> 02:59:06.639 And that's basically my plugs and and I appreciate you guys. 3392 02:59:06.639 --> 02:59:10.239 So I'm eager to have another conversation. So we'll get 3393 02:59:10.239 --> 02:59:11.479 that schedule for sure. 3394 02:59:11.920 --> 02:59:16.479 For sure, for sure, Nick Greats. I always appreciate our Fridays. 3395 02:59:16.479 --> 02:59:18.600 I always have a good time looking forward to these things. 3396 02:59:18.920 --> 02:59:21.760 I learned new things every week. This week perhaps I 3397 02:59:21.840 --> 02:59:25.799 learned expected so much. I appreciate as well. 3398 02:59:26.280 --> 02:59:27.479 Thank you man, me too. 3399 02:59:28.280 --> 02:59:30.799 Any any closing comments or plugs you got there, Nick. 3400 02:59:31.120 --> 02:59:33.840 No, just anything. Tomorrow we're going live with rd A 3401 02:59:33.920 --> 02:59:36.280 Lee and I think twelve or something around there. I 3402 02:59:36.319 --> 02:59:37.760 don't know. You'll see when I make the live to 3403 02:59:37.760 --> 02:59:41.440 talk about Virginia Guffrey. And then Sunday we've got a 3404 02:59:41.440 --> 02:59:43.840 bunch of us going on. Donald Ferguson is a fan 3405 02:59:43.879 --> 02:59:46.360 of listeners coming on to blow our minds with some stuff. 3406 02:59:46.399 --> 02:59:49.520 I think people will really really enjoy it. I think 3407 02:59:49.520 --> 02:59:51.680 I'm gonna have Ricardo there and Lisa, so I'm gonna 3408 02:59:51.680 --> 02:59:55.120 have those two brains as well joining Donald, so it 3409 02:59:55.120 --> 02:59:58.840 should be pretty mind melting. So definitely check this out Sunday. 3410 02:59:59.559 --> 03:00:02.200 And that's about it. Thank you both, man, Austin, thank 3411 03:00:02.239 --> 03:00:04.280 you so much. That was like fucking a lot of 3412 03:00:04.799 --> 03:00:09.840 a lot of information. You remember about as much as 3413 03:00:09.879 --> 03:00:13.719 j Pretty fucking crazy. What's that I said? You remember 3414 03:00:13.760 --> 03:00:15.680 them but just as much as JJ does. That's pretty 3415 03:00:15.680 --> 03:00:16.840 fucking crazy. 3416 03:00:18.280 --> 03:00:21.159 Details. And I appreciate both your gents time and conversation 3417 03:00:21.280 --> 03:00:24.120 and folks of interwebs as well. And I I just 3418 03:00:24.159 --> 03:00:27.520 have a quick parting words and uh that is check 3419 03:00:27.559 --> 03:00:33.040 out Operation GCD Sundays this Sunday at eight pm Eastern time. 3420 03:00:33.479 --> 03:00:36.239 That's next Sunday, this Sunday at a pm Eastern time 3421 03:00:36.360 --> 03:00:39.799 my Patreon on links in the show notes here the 3422 03:00:39.879 --> 03:00:43.479 Curse of Robert the Doll. I mean, I guess all 3423 03:00:43.479 --> 03:00:45.920 this the Curse of Buffalo Jared Riviza, but this is 3424 03:00:45.959 --> 03:00:49.520 far more targeted and far less mystical, but equally scary. 3425 03:00:50.239 --> 03:00:52.680 So and and where we'll pick up on the next 3426 03:00:52.680 --> 03:00:56.600 one there Austin is Edward Wayne Edwards. And let me 3427 03:00:56.639 --> 03:00:59.559 just show you this brief clip. Let's see it of 3428 03:00:59.680 --> 03:01:02.719 is it into nineteen seventy two on the game show 3429 03:01:02.760 --> 03:01:08.200 to Tell the Truth? Right? That's kind of a US Army. 3430 03:01:11.399 --> 03:01:14.399 Number one. What is your name please? My name is 3431 03:01:14.600 --> 03:01:15.520 ed Edwards. 3432 03:01:16.159 --> 03:01:16.680 Number two. 3433 03:01:17.879 --> 03:01:20.760 My name is Ed Edwards. Number three. 3434 03:01:21.200 --> 03:01:24.840 My name is Ed Edwards and would the real Ed 3435 03:01:25.000 --> 03:01:30.479 Edwards please stand up? So we'll definitely have to dive 3436 03:01:30.479 --> 03:01:33.520 into that. I've been fascinated with everyone Edwards for years now, 3437 03:01:33.559 --> 03:01:36.760 so that's something I enjoy and certainly happy to share 3438 03:01:36.760 --> 03:01:39.079 it with the rest of the conspiracy culture when we're 3439 03:01:39.120 --> 03:01:41.159 not you know, when he hit so many of these 3440 03:01:41.159 --> 03:01:43.680 different categories amongst so many of these things, and somehow 3441 03:01:43.760 --> 03:01:48.319 still goes largely undetected but awesome conversation and folks in 3442 03:01:48.399 --> 03:01:50.360 webs want to check out somebody to have four stuff Tonight, 3443 03:01:50.360 --> 03:01:53.000 I'm heading over to cane Be's the Purge and Austin. 3444 03:01:53.239 --> 03:01:54.840 If you feel like getting into some of my ran 3445 03:01:54.920 --> 03:01:58.239 contray to have type conversations, you're welcome to join us 3446 03:01:58.239 --> 03:02:00.399 over there. I want to invite you on the host 3447 03:02:00.520 --> 03:02:02.959 part gain By be happy to because he would love 3448 03:02:03.000 --> 03:02:05.600 the conversation if you join us. And Nick I was 3449 03:02:05.639 --> 03:02:08.799 always I hope to sit there I'll try all right, 3450 03:02:09.000 --> 03:02:12.000 And on that note, thank you both for your time. 3451 03:02:12.040 --> 03:02:13.159 Thanks folks to the interwebs.