Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen? What?
Speaker 2: How do you folks? Your host J J. Vance here
Speaker 2: back for another Fridays host of Operations GCD and perhaps
Speaker 2: more notably not the Vice President, back from our Fridays
Speaker 2: with my co host Nick from the Cult Rejects. Nick, Hey, doing, sir?
Speaker 3: What is going on? So I'm doing well and.
Speaker 2: Doing doing fantastic? What's going on with the Occult Rejects
Speaker 2: this week? Anything you're working on, anything you've done this
Speaker 2: week that's a fun and or exciting.
Speaker 3: I was actually recording today finally the audio for Jacob
Speaker 3: Bomb Shaw I'm doing on Jacob Bomb. So that should Yeah,
Speaker 3: that should hopefully be done this weekend. Probably won't be
Speaker 3: out for like a month and a half. But next
Speaker 3: week I do have the first of many solo shows
Speaker 3: coming out on Robert Flood. I did that on my
Speaker 3: own that will be coming out next week.
Speaker 2: And can you remind me here Jacob Bowman is besides
Speaker 2: the sixteenth century occultiest fellow.
Speaker 3: H Yeah, I mean that's really all. I'm covering him
Speaker 3: on his his experience in the books that he wrote,
Speaker 3: he did get like kind of like excommunicated from the
Speaker 3: town that he was in because they they were extremely religious,
Speaker 3: and they end up coming into, like I guess, a
Speaker 3: copy of one of his books and they were like, Yo,
Speaker 3: this shit's crazy. You gotta go.
Speaker 2: It's heretical, right, and he had he cover his major
Speaker 2: influence right on.
Speaker 3: Ye yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's definitely interesting. It will
Speaker 3: be a you know a lot of these solo shows
Speaker 3: I'm doing too, they'll be like, fully, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: there'll be images on the whole thing, So I mean
Speaker 3: to watch it. You need not kind to get stuck
Speaker 3: looking at my face the whole time. It's actually images
Speaker 3: some of them, the books, engravings. But yeah, definitely check
Speaker 3: it out. Something new that I'm trying to do like
Speaker 3: once a month at least, not twice.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, that's good stuff. Now, who is this uh
Speaker 2: George Floyd Fells who was the other guy?
Speaker 3: Oh, Robert Flood.
Speaker 2: George Floyd Robert rob.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I covered him. He was really Uh he's another
Speaker 3: one from like the early I think sixteen hundreds. Fuck,
Speaker 3: I forgot already. I was real big on him.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 3: He was into alchemy. But this guy had books back
Speaker 3: then where he was like drawing pictures of the eyes
Speaker 3: and the brains, and he was talking about it amongst occultism.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to like show that, like, you know,
Speaker 3: you have somebody from back then even drawing eyes and
Speaker 3: brains in their books going on about matching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think that's a very fascinating
Speaker 2: aspect you've identified there with all this knowledge of especially
Speaker 2: deep knowledge of the anatomy and biology of stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: with these within these occult circles at a time when
Speaker 2: you know, you wonder where they got that from.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, that's what I'm getting at. It's like back then,
Speaker 3: it's like unless there was some sort of technology that
Speaker 3: we don't know of now that's real simple or something
Speaker 3: advanced that's just been hidden from us. But like, how
Speaker 3: were they? I mean, listen, you can you could be honest,
Speaker 3: you can cut somebody open and look at it. But
Speaker 3: I mean certain things this guy was drawing detailed stuff
Speaker 3: of the eyeballs that like we're just showing now with microscopes.
Speaker 3: How did you do that?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Weird dude?
Speaker 3: Crystals glass, Like what are you doing?
Speaker 2: We got I just want to say, what's up there
Speaker 2: to land and how you doing they're good, sir. We
Speaker 2: uh we've had landing on our recent fridays. I'm always
Speaker 2: uh interested in his you know, I'm always excited about
Speaker 2: his interest in some of these older topics from a
Speaker 2: younger generation, specifically some some stuff we're gonna get into
Speaker 2: tonight with tonight's guests, you know, regarding some uh parapolitics
Speaker 2: and I ran concert style activities, so and how that
Speaker 2: kind of relates to them. But before we get quite there,
Speaker 2: what what else you're working on? And aicle rejects. We
Speaker 2: did a couple of shows this week, and I know
Speaker 2: you dropped the Little one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to Greg Little.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely Grecmand folks. Check out that one about if
Speaker 2: you're interested in mounds, go listen to that one with
Speaker 2: with Greg Little.
Speaker 3: You know, it was funny. I normally don't ever get
Speaker 3: like bad comments, and actually got one today people saying that, like,
Speaker 3: our science is actually bullshit on that stuff.
Speaker 2: Well tell him, I'm not a scientist.
Speaker 3: First and foremost it's like, well, I don't know, would
Speaker 3: you rather have a fantastical story instead of like, I
Speaker 3: don't know whatever, But uh yeah, no banger of an episode.
Speaker 3: I highly suggested I do just know tomorrow we will
Speaker 3: be going live with right a lead talking about uh,
Speaker 3: Virginia Guffrey, So that should be interesting. Yeah, we got
Speaker 3: h next.
Speaker 2: Week's done a good deep dive into that, right, the
Speaker 2: whole issue on Virginia guy, not just her death, but
Speaker 2: you know, her life basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then we next weekend we have a Cassis and
Speaker 3: the Tridactyl episode coming out. That was definitely an experience.
Speaker 2: That's an exciting one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Unfortunately I did I did, I did edit out
Speaker 3: his crying, and so I mean that's probably good.
Speaker 2: That's probably good. I enjoyed that one and Rider Lee.
Speaker 2: I always enjoyed conversations with Rider, the host of Raised
Speaker 2: by Giants, who's we'll be on here again here in
Speaker 2: the few, well on Fridays. But uh the uh oh
Speaker 2: ancient alien cargo colts dude, He's definitely enjoy that conversation
Speaker 2: with a man for sure, and again he does a
Speaker 2: lot of other great work. But the uh uh what
Speaker 2: was that all on? The occult rejects anything else up
Speaker 2: coming next week?
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, next week, a lot of the stuff I have,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you were there, but next week
Speaker 3: we do have the uh that weird and Paranormal is
Speaker 3: Britney BARBERII. I'm sorry, I can't remember everybody that's been
Speaker 3: on the shows that I do. I can't remember if
Speaker 3: you I think you were on that one actually.
Speaker 2: Too right, Yeah, great conversation folks told check out hell yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well yeah, that is another thing. I mean.
Speaker 3: We did have Greg Carwood on recently the Highest Slight
Speaker 3: Chats this Monday, so if you haven't heard that, I
Speaker 3: would definitely go back and check that out. It was
Speaker 3: an awesome episode. It was pretty fucking cool.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, not to I appreciate, appreciate the comments there.
Speaker 2: You have anything else for us? Their nick?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's it. I just I see Lando
Speaker 3: saying something about just hit trend for some of you boys.
Speaker 3: Trying to master Ron was always my favorite.
Speaker 2: You know, Land is a character I like good stuff.
Speaker 2: But now so you know, before we get to our guests,
Speaker 2: you're not to belabor the point. I appreciate your your
Speaker 2: plugs there. I got to operation GCD Live Sundays, my
Speaker 2: new Patreon show coming up on this Sunday, eight pm
Speaker 2: Eastern time and every subsequent Sunday at eight pm Eastern time.
Speaker 2: But I'm taking some deeper dives into some of the
Speaker 2: true crime and high weirdness incidents that I've experienced in
Speaker 2: my life, and that interests me most notably one I've
Speaker 2: told I've you know, told this story a little bit
Speaker 2: on numerous occult rejects, and it's the only thing you
Speaker 2: can do is really try to make humor out of
Speaker 2: a situation if you feel like you've been cursed by
Speaker 2: handall for twelve plus years. But Robert the doll, that's
Speaker 2: coming up on Sunday, So I'm gonna go into some
Speaker 2: of the history behind that doll and my interactions with him,
Speaker 2: and who else he's cursed in this damn world. But
Speaker 2: and then we saw my old stalker friend turned seemingly
Speaker 2: mind control assassiny Buffalo Jared Veza there on our you know,
Speaker 2: as our normal intro. That'll be that'll be the subsequent
Speaker 2: Sunday following Sunday, the legend of Buffalo Jared Visa. So
Speaker 2: the fellow who demanded to be my pr rep and
Speaker 2: would not take no for an answer and then later
Speaker 2: went on a trans apocalypse multi state murder spree and
Speaker 2: today his court cases. As we've gone over on previous
Speaker 2: Fridays or seemingly not in public purview of the court systems,
Speaker 2: and allegedly he sits today in the Bridgewater Mental Hospital
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts awaiting letting it charges from murder to attempted
Speaker 2: murders again multi state. But it's weird because the Bridgewater
Speaker 2: Mental Hospital sits in the middle of the bridge, the
Speaker 2: infamous Spooky Bridge. Not spooky, but you know, high weirdness
Speaker 2: or you know spooky. I know I use spooky for
Speaker 2: other terms, but you know, mystical Bridgewater Triangle if any
Speaker 2: if folks are familiar with that, So to any further,
Speaker 2: and I do apologize for flavoring the points thus far.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate you waiting for us that, Sir Austin
Speaker 2: way Pacard, welcome to Welcome to Fridays man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys for having me on, honestly, and
Speaker 1: by the way, just I think it's it's very interesting
Speaker 1: as far as it's kind of hilarious, how much. First
Speaker 1: of all, just the Virginia Guffrey aspect. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: hear what you guys have to say tomorrow for that interview,
Speaker 1: because I'm very much skeptical at this moment, just as
Speaker 1: far as some of the more recent information that's coming
Speaker 1: forward and kind of like like victims advocates who have
Speaker 1: come forward from Australia who have made some very interesting
Speaker 1: statements claiming that that essentially Virginia was under this UH
Speaker 1: she she had been beaten and hospitalized and was under
Speaker 1: this protective order and had like had her her children
Speaker 1: taken from her right at a certain point after a
Speaker 1: share after she was essentially beaten and hospitalized, which is
Speaker 1: just a crazy story. But this guy that she met,
Speaker 1: I'm very interested to learn a little bit more about
Speaker 1: him because he as like a background of being like
Speaker 1: a I think he was what a martial arts trainer
Speaker 1: I think as and she met him when she was
Speaker 1: sent from I believe it was when Galaine and Jeffrey
Speaker 1: sent her to UH to actually pick up a I
Speaker 1: think it was in Thailand where she was picking up
Speaker 1: a prostitute, and basically that is where she she effectively
Speaker 1: met her husband, who saved her from the network allegedly,
Speaker 1: which I don't know. I'm starting to question a lot
Speaker 1: of this that that surrounded because what I'm realizing is
Speaker 1: that it seems like in these networks, a lot of
Speaker 1: the victims age out and based on based on the
Speaker 1: statistic proclivities of the network and the enterprise at play,
Speaker 1: and seemingly they are effectively pursuing all these various aspects
Speaker 1: of what they can provide. Being like in terms of
Speaker 1: the Dutroux case, there was an example of I believe
Speaker 1: it was a Nico Lucas, isn't that her name? I
Speaker 1: believe the victim who yeah, yes, yes, So she essentially
Speaker 1: said that she was about to age out at eleven
Speaker 1: years old and had been effectively written off to be
Speaker 1: ritualistically murdered in a snuff film that would then be
Speaker 1: distributed through the enterprise. And so this is just again
Speaker 1: an aspect of how these networks are facilitated and operate,
Speaker 1: and they utilize these victims to procure other children. But
Speaker 1: there are very interesting aspects of like I think essentially
Speaker 1: her her the way she described it was that someone
Speaker 1: one of the one of the predators within the network
Speaker 1: seemed to take a liking to her and so effectively
Speaker 1: attempted to protect her and set her up with here's
Speaker 1: how here are the stage as you take to survive
Speaker 1: and get out of this network alive basically, and so
Speaker 1: she was then prostituted and uh and went to even
Speaker 1: claim to have gone to a mind control facility where
Speaker 1: she an institution where she she was potentially they utilized
Speaker 1: mind control techniques on her. So I just found all
Speaker 1: of that very interesting, as far as her very first
Speaker 1: interview when she came forward and went public, that was
Speaker 1: all of her claims, and she seemed very credible. And
Speaker 1: many of these victims, like they obviously as far as
Speaker 1: victim witnesses, they struggle to readapt and I mean many
Speaker 1: of them don't. Yeah, and it's it's very tragic to witness.
Speaker 1: But to see any of these people actually make something
Speaker 1: out of their lives and then attempt to come forward
Speaker 1: in some sort of coherent fashion and and make a
Speaker 1: case with with some at least what seemed to be
Speaker 1: credible allegations, right, that are somewhat cooperated, then you have to,
Speaker 1: you know, take pause and and really just reflect on
Speaker 1: a lot of the details that because obviously you guys
Speaker 1: are already under the impression that the vast majority of
Speaker 1: these official narratives surrounding the scandals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just saw bullshit, right, It's all bullshit.
Speaker 1: Deliberate deception.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of the show to the public public,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, discourse to discuss these things. We're limited
Speaker 2: to what you know. Often times we're limited to these
Speaker 2: subjects with Epstein, like oh, where's the client list? And
Speaker 2: I'm asking things like what was he doing competing against
Speaker 2: Peter Deal and funding different AI projects? Of what's that about?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? No one's asking that question, right,
Speaker 2: So you know, I appreciate, I appreciate your spot on.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more on your assessment there.
Speaker 2: That's why I was excited to have you on here
Speaker 2: this evening. They're also to discuss some of these matters,
Speaker 2: so I certainly enjoy your opinion, and you're getting some
Speaker 2: accolades from the chat here. Zax Salvatore said, you know,
Speaker 2: you're you know, Watergate is going to Stephen Recklear Snyder
Speaker 2: levels and they're pumped. So I'm gonna have to put you, Zach,
Speaker 2: Zach's common put that to the test here because reckless, good,
Speaker 2: good dude of mine, and uh, We've had a lot
Speaker 2: of conversations on Watergate and all sorts of these matters,
Speaker 2: you know, over various pots of coffee and various positive.
Speaker 1: You think John Dean ordered the second break in to
Speaker 1: to essentially find out if uh you know his wife
Speaker 1: Maureen moe Bi Nardine, who was personal friends with Heidie Reichen,
Speaker 1: who ran the Columbia Plaza, a prostitution operation that was
Speaker 1: set up the pipeline that was set up to the
Speaker 1: d n C Watergate complex. Apparently, uh that there was
Speaker 1: basically through this very interesting uh Phil mack and Bailey
Speaker 1: was an attorney who was working like local vice essentially
Speaker 1: in a way where he was just all his clients
Speaker 1: were prostitutes in d C. Right, and and he had
Speaker 1: his uh he had his essentially he had his law
Speaker 1: law offices raided and and by the Feds, and his
Speaker 1: client list and his his address book was revealed.
Speaker 2: Sounds like the DC Madamins. And it's very cricularly some
Speaker 2: are similar, inn't it.
Speaker 1: And John Deane one of the uh you know key
Speaker 1: he's like a twenty twenty six, twenty eight year old
Speaker 1: uh you know, white White House advisor for the president
Speaker 1: and an attorney who had basically made his name by
Speaker 1: by targeting and prioritizing.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: These these dissenting anti war advocates at the time, right,
Speaker 1: who were are dissenting against an opposition to to the
Speaker 1: Vietnam War, which is also insane because there's there's an
Speaker 1: interesting story about Carl Schoffler, who was the arresting officer
Speaker 1: at the Watergate that night, who was just waiting outside
Speaker 1: at two am, just happened to be waiting there, had all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had dual loyalty to military intelligence, and he had
Speaker 1: a criminal and mormant that he was utilizing named Robert Merritt,
Speaker 1: I believe was his name, And he later on tried
Speaker 1: to write a book and went public with a lot
Speaker 1: of these claims saying that he was actually that he
Speaker 1: was actually tasked by the intelligence community who were utilizing
Speaker 1: Carl Schoffler, who had dual loyalty to military intelligence, that
Speaker 1: they were going to prioritize and target Douglas Caddy, who
Speaker 1: was personal friends with Howard hunt Right Burglars and worked
Speaker 1: for Mullan in Company. I may interject, well the Office
Speaker 1: of Security as well with with Richard Helms, but I
Speaker 1: think that he was.
Speaker 2: On paper what he did he work for that was
Speaker 2: he was a calling sure was the Mullen Company and
Speaker 2: Robert Mullan, by the way, very strange.
Speaker 1: His story tied in with the Mormon Church which we've.
Speaker 2: Covered a little bit of this on Cult Rejects Mormon
Speaker 2: Mafia series of Do you know how he loved Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do. Actually yeah, I'm a former Mormon also, so
Speaker 2: was high. But you know, maybe we'll have to convene
Speaker 2: on some of these matters because he he's got a
Speaker 2: great understanding of these things as well. So Bob Bennett was,
Speaker 2: you know, the fellow that was his father was the
Speaker 2: US sender at the time, and he was the one
Speaker 2: running that Mullen company and was told you know, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you know, but for the folks of the interwebs,
Speaker 2: the Watergate Commission told young Mormon Bob Bennett. You know,
Speaker 2: this is before he was the US endor for decades.
Speaker 2: I think this would disqualify him. You know, they told him,
Speaker 2: they said they found out that Mullen and Company was
Speaker 2: a CIA Mormon front company and that and that they
Speaker 2: told him to shut it down. They said that was
Speaker 2: a result of probably one of the few results of
Speaker 2: the Watergate Commission was shut it down. Now another one
Speaker 2: that often gets bandied about as a win in the
Speaker 2: conspiracy culture community out of that same thing, and kind
Speaker 2: of relative to some of the topics i'd liket to
Speaker 2: dive into tonight is uh the opera Operation Midnight Climax
Speaker 2: and how that kind of came about during the Rockefeller hearings,
Speaker 2: you know, distant relations. But there was an Inspector General
Speaker 2: of the CIA named John kay Vance. He was the
Speaker 2: quote unquote whistleblower. Now, you know, we only know about
Speaker 2: one small little you know, operation in one in one
Speaker 2: you know row House and the hate and Ashbury. But
Speaker 2: you know that's allegedly the tale. That's what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: are you really a whistleblower? You know, we don't really
Speaker 2: understand the depth of what really went on within these
Speaker 2: kind of experiments like that, within the it started within
Speaker 2: the Summer of Love out there in sixty seven, which
Speaker 2: is where the process comes in the night. Where I
Speaker 2: would like to, you know, kind of start off on
Speaker 2: some of that, like I said, and get into some
Speaker 2: of these how it affects us today with these military
Speaker 2: intelligence operations and these seemingly Operation Gladio come Home type situations.
Speaker 2: But before getting further, I wanted to make sure I
Speaker 2: gave you an opportunity to introduce yourself podcasts. Right now,
Speaker 2: You're good the gates. Make sure we get we get
Speaker 2: that out of the way. That's because folks, may you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know you've been a guest on next show
Speaker 2: before either, so you know there may be some folks
Speaker 2: are off to work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciate you man. So yeah, I'm very bad about
Speaker 1: doing any real plugs. I did forget that. But uh again,
Speaker 1: it's just who I kind of am. We call the
Speaker 1: fans Schitzo Bros. Basically it's essentially our collection of like
Speaker 1: minded individuals who show up in the chat. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: basically I'm Austin Piccard. I run the Underclass podcast. Right
Speaker 1: I started it, It's still very much seems new to me.
Speaker 1: It's all very seemingly in its infancy as well at
Speaker 1: this time, I feel like, because I only started this
Speaker 1: in April of twenty twenty three, right, so it's still
Speaker 1: very new at this at this moment for me. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I feel like I was just
Speaker 1: kind of overexposed for so long to such an extent
Speaker 1: with a lot of my consumption of alternative media and
Speaker 1: then also just leading me down different rabbit rabbit holes
Speaker 1: where I would where I would effectively well, really, I
Speaker 1: was drawn to create the Class podcast because I became
Speaker 1: entirely disillusioned and disenfranchised by by the current structured system,
Speaker 1: and I'm philosophically opposed to the state in general. That's
Speaker 1: just kind of how I feel personally. In every facet,
Speaker 1: I tried to opt out as much as possible. I
Speaker 1: think we've all been very much conditioned to embrace, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, to fall in line with the permanent establishment
Speaker 1: at every level. And I think that, yeah, that I'm
Speaker 1: very grateful that I have this tendency and inherent instinct
Speaker 1: to to reject authority, which just led me down kind
Speaker 1: of a a path where I endured a few consequences
Speaker 1: at the beginning of right when just uh, let's say,
Speaker 1: in my youth. More as far as I've kind I
Speaker 1: kind of had to learn through just some people have
Speaker 1: to learn the hard way, yeah, exactly. And and and
Speaker 1: for me, I always push the boundary. I tried to
Speaker 1: see what what I could and could not get away with.
Speaker 1: And also I had a definite.
Speaker 2: There awsoin I mean, how else do you know your
Speaker 2: own limitations?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Yeah, and uh yeah, put me into I definitely
Speaker 1: backed myself into a few different corners that but again,
Speaker 1: that's how you learn. I feel and grow, and so
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm definitely I appreciate the fact that that
Speaker 1: I was able to reflect on my decisions that and
Speaker 1: what the bad decisions I had made and kind of
Speaker 1: readjust my path and my philosophy on life, and and
Speaker 1: that led me into kind of, yeah, trying to restructure
Speaker 1: and reflect on what my true ideological framework was and
Speaker 1: the core principles and values that I wanted to uphold.
Speaker 2: And so then I was kind of awesome. Man, if
Speaker 2: I might ask Alston, how old are you? Thirty thirty two,
Speaker 2: I'm thirty three? Yeah, thirty three old? Damn it. I
Speaker 2: was pretty close. You're but yeah, you're dude, You're far
Speaker 2: wiser than most of your peers.
Speaker 1: Thank you, brother.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I you know, I think I think
Speaker 2: the way you're just describing how you he got into
Speaker 2: your podcast, I'm not sure, you know. I'm just my
Speaker 2: assessment of conversations with Nick how he and I both
Speaker 2: you're sharing how he and I both got into a podcasting,
Speaker 2: you know, more so offline, but having these discussions. But
Speaker 2: it sounds, you know, it sounds very similar to what
Speaker 2: you're describing. That's certainly how I feel about how I
Speaker 2: kind of got into the podcasting here certainly wasn't it
Speaker 2: wasn't anything but necessarily really playing to other than I
Speaker 2: need to get some of these ideas out of my
Speaker 2: brain hole. I got too many ideas I'd.
Speaker 1: Like to, you know, you try to share some of
Speaker 1: these ideas with folks.
Speaker 2: In your life that you know already family or friends
Speaker 2: from other coworkers are like, what's wrong with you? Now,
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Nazis. Want to talk about Nazis
Speaker 2: and Satanism. No, it's a process, dude, it's not. They're
Speaker 2: both Nazis and Satanism. Like, oh, here we go, now
Speaker 2: we're doing Nazis and Satanists. You're exactly Yeah, that's way
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh worse than that, you start to question
Speaker 1: or you know, throw out potential realities of Hitler being
Speaker 1: a mind controlled gay prostitute in Vienna in nineteen oh seventh,
Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen, which is just so funny.
Speaker 2: It's the molder. Then he goes into military intelligence, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, against the same kind of old we're describing
Speaker 2: here in large part when when at least when I
Speaker 2: reference things like the process, I mean, I kind of
Speaker 2: what you're describing kind of fits the mold is what
Speaker 2: I'm thinking how I describe those things, and that is
Speaker 2: more or less the pros I mean literally the process
Speaker 2: in which to do hood rat shit military intelligence style. Right,
Speaker 2: So you build a framework up or satanism or something
Speaker 2: like that, which is the later iteration I suppose, But
Speaker 2: who knows what their framework was back in the Hitler
Speaker 2: Hooker days, right, But nonetheless it seems to be that's
Speaker 2: you build a framework, you do hood rat shit underneath
Speaker 2: this guy's of military intelligence operations of anyone asked, but no,
Speaker 2: I need military intelligence. Them were Satanists, right or not?
Speaker 1: It seemed like the tool society utilizing these the you know,
Speaker 1: it's like areosophy was was a part of the occult
Speaker 1: ideology that they were apparently utilizing, which a lot of it,
Speaker 1: uh stemmed back to Helena Blovatsky, right, And.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so I'm glad you said that. So And
Speaker 2: in reference to Tomorrow's conversation with Ryder Lee, I didn't
Speaker 2: want to spoil alert on his work, but he he
Speaker 2: kind of looks the way you were describing that. He
Speaker 2: kind of. I was on the show last week. We
Speaker 2: briefly discussed it. He kind of viewsed this Virginia Goofray
Speaker 2: situation or giufray and she never really left that system
Speaker 2: that you were describing. She was born into and this
Speaker 2: her husband was a handler. So he's done a lot
Speaker 2: of on that theory. He's done a lot of work there.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to you know, I want to
Speaker 2: blow up, blow up a spot. But he's again, he's
Speaker 2: done some great stuff. And I'll be on the Occult
Speaker 2: Rejects tomorrow. But you know, in regards to theosophy, he
Speaker 2: and I do a lot of One of my favorite
Speaker 2: topics on Operation GCD is ancient alien cargo cults, and
Speaker 2: turns out all these Satans organizations are also as a
Speaker 2: result of being Theelamites seemed to fall in that category.
Speaker 2: You know, the process had their their watchers right as
Speaker 2: Timothy while he described him these disembodied you know, spirits,
Speaker 2: that rexternal to earth type of deal. So different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like Lavatsky people like and Thelamites or ot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just from my my opinion, just from you know, looking
Speaker 3: at Crowley stuff as much as he you studied it,
Speaker 3: I think, by opinion, I do think a lot of
Speaker 3: that UFO bullshit is is is done by occultists especially Oh, that's.
Speaker 2: Just John is a great example of that to exhibit
Speaker 2: that point here in modern times.
Speaker 3: That's another one, and that's an A. Peter Lavenda works
Speaker 3: with him, and he's in the O T O there
Speaker 3: you go. I mean, there's videos of him actually in rituals,
Speaker 3: so I'm not even making that he's the one who
Speaker 3: came up with the term U A P.
Speaker 2: You know, he's the one who's behind the tow the
Speaker 2: Stars Academy with Tom DeLong and Peter Lavenda. He's been
Speaker 2: running the d n C since they offer what's his name,
Speaker 2: Vince Falster back in ninety four or whatever. He sees
Speaker 2: power in the White House Legal Council Office at that
Speaker 2: point and he's been running it ever since. So you know,
Speaker 2: he's clearly the cultist. And you can even find him
Speaker 2: on ancient aliens. So you know, these things are what
Speaker 2: we're describing, is you know, it seems pretty apparent when
Speaker 2: you look at all the details.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and I think that, you know, knowing Alan
Speaker 1: Dulls and the psychological operation aspect of what they attempted
Speaker 1: to achieve within the framework of the UAP phenomena, the
Speaker 1: well Ufo phenomena. But essentially to me, there was mk
Speaker 1: ultraw was a huge aspect of introducing this kind of
Speaker 1: new age doctrine, esoteric ideology into the into the framework
Speaker 1: of where I think that I don't know what you're
Speaker 1: what you're understanding are kind of like belief is as
Speaker 1: far as like the what seems to be there seems
Speaker 1: to be this strange ocult framework where they're attempting to
Speaker 1: usher in the aon of Horace or the age of Aquarius.
Speaker 1: So they have all these various names for you know,
Speaker 1: this this rebirth, this occult rebirth that's attempting to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that seems to be the kind of
Speaker 2: the overarching project. They are all all these various seemingly
Speaker 2: disparate groups are collectively working on together. And I like
Speaker 2: to joke around, since they're ancient only your cargo cults,
Speaker 2: they're gonna one day come together like Voltron and hopefully
Speaker 2: blast off of this planet because I'm sick and tired
Speaker 2: of these books for these folks.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no doubt man, and uh kool aid, and.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: Uh the way that I kind of came across the process.
Speaker 2: Was it was so I'm glad you read them on.
Speaker 1: It was an interesting kind of slow burn that led
Speaker 1: me into that direction, which which began with really jonestown,
Speaker 1: I think, uh more than than anything, because that's what
Speaker 1: kind of made me question, uh, the the Warren Commission,
Speaker 1: as far as like the the uh these this alleged
Speaker 1: false discloses, sure that which basically seemed to take place
Speaker 1: in my mind as far.
Speaker 2: As wmitted to hang out kind of disclosure right exactly.
Speaker 1: We're intended to believe that that this was a government
Speaker 1: accountability and and and that they effectively ended and uh
Speaker 1: and obviously ended these programs in Cleindestine programs afterward. But clearly,
Speaker 1: right in my mind, that actually transpired, right and.
Speaker 2: Right now, that's that's a great point. It's and I
Speaker 2: was just gonna say, it's kind of like the the
Speaker 2: propagame and narrative from every book published about about the process,
Speaker 2: every documentary made about the process. The process Church, you know,
Speaker 2: disbanded in nineteen seventy four exactly when you know, you
Speaker 2: know just as well as I do from looking at
Speaker 2: the actual details, that's a false narrative. First of all,
Speaker 2: they still have the same corporate entity today that they
Speaker 2: started when they incorporated in America in nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 2: which we can get into that, into that narrative. I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot to be said about that stuff
Speaker 2: with that incorporation. But yeah, I know you're you're, you're
Speaker 2: spot on with it the way these things are are sold,
Speaker 2: even in conspiracy culture. So it was one of the
Speaker 2: things I was excited to have this conversation about because
Speaker 2: you know, you know, ten fifteen years ago, the only
Speaker 2: person talking about and he he hates me so, but
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna give him credit. The only person talking
Speaker 2: about the process was Ed Opperman, Right, Yeah, the last
Speaker 2: time I brought his name on here, I got to
Speaker 2: the email. Hey, I gave you nothing, but I commended
Speaker 2: your work. I don't know, I talk about you, but
Speaker 2: so I don't know what's going on there. But nonetheless
Speaker 2: I still enjoy his you know, the fact that he's
Speaker 2: got to you know, he has these old shows.
Speaker 3: That's the same way I found of the process too.
Speaker 3: That's you. I heard that and then and then I
Speaker 3: you know, years later I got into podcasting, really didn't
Speaker 3: remember it. And honestly, if it wasn't like for you
Speaker 3: and Dan, I wouldn't have known jack shit about the
Speaker 3: Process church again because like you were saying before, nobody's
Speaker 3: really talking about it.
Speaker 2: Now, it's talking about.
Speaker 3: It or not in depth. You'll hear about it, but
Speaker 3: nothing like what you guys do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and did some great interviews with like some folks
Speaker 2: that were there, like Gim detective Jim Rawls, Like the
Speaker 2: folks will definitely go check those out again. I committed
Speaker 2: them last time, so I hope I don't get a
Speaker 2: nice email for committing him this time. But the again,
Speaker 2: I like it. I don't you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: so you know, the rejects like folks to check out
Speaker 2: Jim Ralstein for sure. This is the dude who is
Speaker 2: the he invented being a vice cop. He's at the
Speaker 2: he's kind of at the epicenter of all the activity
Speaker 2: that leads up to what we know is the son
Speaker 2: of Sam Era of the these coult activities, right, but
Speaker 2: he's he was onto it beforehand. So and Ralstein ain't
Speaker 2: the only one on there that he does interviews with,
Speaker 2: So definitely check out the historical record there. I enjoyed
Speaker 2: your you did a process show last year, maybe I
Speaker 2: checked it out recently you went. You did a great
Speaker 2: summary and a lot of the Ed Sanders work I
Speaker 2: saw in there from the family, which is a big
Speaker 2: fan of his work, so it's good.
Speaker 1: Connection to Charles Manson was just like the extraordinary stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, especially that you have these these members
Speaker 1: of of the Process that are going in actually meeting
Speaker 1: with with Manson and then coming out on the other
Speaker 1: end with an issue for Process magazine right called the
Speaker 1: death issue. And and then what they they met with
Speaker 1: what's his name that that wrote that ridiculous book? And
Speaker 1: then uh uh and then Tom O'Neill had a run
Speaker 1: in with him. Ah what was the name? Uh uh.
Speaker 1: It's escaping me right now.
Speaker 2: But anyway, still he he, Well, I think that's what
Speaker 2: you rering up some good points with Tom O'Neil, and
Speaker 2: this kind of narrative of how these things are still
Speaker 2: not being described properly. So to that point, I you know, folks,
Speaker 2: wuch I got historical stuff. I highly recommend at Opperman's
Speaker 2: work on his Opperman Report. But like I said, if
Speaker 2: you want to, you know, an updated stuff, I think
Speaker 2: you did a great job. I know Dana, I know
Speaker 2: folks are familiar with Dana and Dodo All Rodney Jewels.
Speaker 1: She does.
Speaker 2: You know, her her team do some spectacular work on
Speaker 2: documenting a lot of these things. So like, you know,
Speaker 2: she's done a great job of finding a lot of
Speaker 2: the the piecing together a lot of these things. But
Speaker 2: to the point of aren't being discussed right. You know,
Speaker 2: you have Tom O'Neill. He publishes a book that takes
Speaker 2: him twenty years on Charles Manson, he does not include
Speaker 2: the process. Are you kidding me? Also, well, it took years,
Speaker 2: three years he couldn't find the process in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that that honestly, we we know what a
Speaker 1: limited hangout looks like. And h in my mind, it's
Speaker 1: it's it just seems, yeah, Dana's she. I do believe
Speaker 1: she's effectively the gold standard on the process right now
Speaker 1: in the alternative media landscape because she's really, at the
Speaker 1: very least she's she's prioritizing it and effectively spotlighting it
Speaker 1: in the best way. And I appreciate that much. And
Speaker 1: and but I always like, I just consistently seem to
Speaker 1: rediscover the process, and every when when I'm really just going, yeah,
Speaker 1: researching what I thought to be unrelated cases, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden there's this this very credible threat
Speaker 1: of evidence proving that there's a local chapter of the
Speaker 1: process that is a fel he did with the case
Speaker 1: in a in a very real, tangible level, and and
Speaker 1: you it's undeniab.
Speaker 2: This is this the is this the doctor the Jeffer
Speaker 2: McDonald case referring to it sounds absolutely.
Speaker 1: Doctor Jeffery McDonald was the first one that well beyond
Speaker 1: David Berkwitz obviously was doctor Jeffer McDonald. The Fort Bragg
Speaker 1: murders just was an extraordinary case that I stumbled upon.
Speaker 1: And and by the way, yeah, ed Ed Opperman, he
Speaker 1: he interviewed Jeffery McDonald's current wife, right, who Yeah, who who?
Speaker 2: Based? Yeah, I think that's great. I'm actually gonna send
Speaker 2: clips of this that ab and just just you know,
Speaker 2: I'm committing I'm still again. I hope I'll get a
Speaker 2: nasty message in return. But everybody don't want anyone else
Speaker 2: to send him me commending him. I wanted at least
Speaker 2: me to send it to him, but no, he does.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Even today, he's doing interviews with
Speaker 2: with current cases where Jeffery McDonald's rotting away in prison,
Speaker 2: still today over these matters before we get dive in
Speaker 2: further there, if I may interject terror Jackson here with
Speaker 2: like your description of what is the process, they're also
Speaker 2: a process. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So obviously you have to consider the fact that who
Speaker 1: founded the process was Robert de Grimston and Mary M. MacLean,
Speaker 1: who are very much affiliated with scientology, and so I
Speaker 1: think just knowing the fact that they were personal friends
Speaker 1: with obviously with l Ron Hubbard, who I believe is
Speaker 1: definitely affiliated with intelligence, if not a direct intelligence operative.
Speaker 2: And uh, and I think I like to say it
Speaker 2: kind of comes out of O and I network when
Speaker 2: we're talking about these warring factions of intelligence agencies. You know,
Speaker 2: he's got that kind of and I background, right.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, Office of Naval Intelligence. It's typical more
Speaker 1: than within the context of a lot of these cases.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that just came up recently in
Speaker 1: terms of Waco, which blew my mind. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: I didn't off your description. I do apologize, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that is a it's an important factor when
Speaker 2: we're considering these feuding I call them lack of intelligence satancies.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think that it plays into because
Speaker 2: they do operate into this these could you know spheres
Speaker 2: like you're describing me. That's the origin of you know,
Speaker 2: what's going on here. But yeah, apologize to continue.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're good. I just I do think that
Speaker 1: the philosophy of the process is very interesting because again
Speaker 1: it's like you you consider the fact that you have
Speaker 1: like these three different these these three separate gods that
Speaker 1: are represented, and also you you have these uh subgroups
Speaker 1: like the Jehovah's uh, you have the Luciferians, you know,
Speaker 1: and and you have which are It's very interesting the
Speaker 1: difference within the context of what they represented, right, because
Speaker 1: the Jehovahs were more of the Puritans of the sect
Speaker 1: according to Moritary, which that you know, dropped.
Speaker 2: In their ordinances to like life and you know everything.
Speaker 2: They're not like the the freaky Satanists, right exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And the Luciferians in contrast us where they they were
Speaker 1: basically a lot more involved with sex magic and and
Speaker 1: sex rituals, and so they they viewed they advocated sensuality
Speaker 1: and tranquility and and uh like druggle and do storagies
Speaker 1: is essentially what they were embracing, a free use of narcotics.
Speaker 1: And so then you have the Satanists who clearly you
Speaker 1: know they they were attempting devil worship in every way,
Speaker 1: ritualistic sacrifice, animal sacrifice and uh. And so I think
Speaker 1: that that alone, when you look you view it the
Speaker 1: kind of the philosophy of the processes and how they
Speaker 1: could move up and down this ladder and embrace which
Speaker 1: subset of the ideology that they that they u uh
Speaker 1: really just they had a kind of this internal proclivity
Speaker 1: to to to it was more appealing to them. They
Speaker 1: but also consider that this is more of like a
Speaker 1: doomsday cult as far as the way that they would
Speaker 1: imbue this philosophy into the the acolytes, because they were talking.
Speaker 2: About the acolytes being their actual term right for some
Speaker 2: of their members.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And the gray forces of moderation was a
Speaker 1: very interesting aspect of something that they would that they
Speaker 1: would discuss, but it was it was strange to me
Speaker 1: because obviously you have these different branches that would would
Speaker 1: effectively converge for the final judgment which would mark the
Speaker 1: end of the world, and so that that was the
Speaker 1: doomsday come together like Voltron right, Yeah, which again it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, with the Order of the Solar Temple is
Speaker 1: very interesting to me because they they had this philosophy
Speaker 1: of a final transit to the star Sirius, and they
Speaker 1: had these.
Speaker 2: These always serious man, it's always serious every freaking time.
Speaker 3: That so serious, but.
Speaker 1: It is it's fascinating stuff because they would have these
Speaker 1: ascended elders that that would come down in the ots
Speaker 1: and a parent only they were utilizing. They actually had
Speaker 1: like a Hollywood special effects producer who was who was
Speaker 1: who was one of the right hand men of Joseph
Speaker 1: de Maambro and was behind the scenes behind a curtain
Speaker 1: like producing these special effects. So the members who had
Speaker 1: just taken uh some form of of LSD or or
Speaker 1: something of Yeah, so they were and then and then
Speaker 1: actually witness uh like a hologram. It was like Tupacs hologram,
Speaker 1: but in the eighties it was yeah, yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Was definitely uh magic like even the magician pulling the
Speaker 3: rabbit out of the hat stuff.
Speaker 1: Going on exactly. Yeah, and and uh, you know, even
Speaker 1: Princess Grace Kelly was effectively tied in with the ots
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize that she had been like initiated
Speaker 1: through a sex ritual where they like used these what's
Speaker 1: it called where where the the uh where they put
Speaker 1: the needles in the points in uh culture, Yeah, acupuncture.
Speaker 1: So basically they specifically use these actually acupuncture needles to
Speaker 1: place in these meridian points on the body. And she
Speaker 1: was induced into having like a relentless orgasm, right, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very interesting, but this was the theory process.
Speaker 1: And basically what had happened was Joseph de Maambro had
Speaker 1: had attempted to kind of, you know, very much he
Speaker 1: was he was kind of trying to swindle money from
Speaker 1: most of the members of the OTS at the time,
Speaker 1: but he was a little sloppy in his presentation in
Speaker 1: terms of Grace Kelly and kept trying to you know,
Speaker 1: kind of leech more and more of her financial funds
Speaker 1: that that that he was attempting to get hurt to.
Speaker 1: It was kind of again he crossed some boundaries. And
Speaker 1: and by the way, I think that the fact that
Speaker 1: you have the Prince of Monarch right who who's definitely
Speaker 1: tied in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for folks, you don't know who Grace Kelly is.
Speaker 2: She's an American actress who married the Prince of Monaco.
Speaker 2: That little weird, little weird country.
Speaker 1: And he's tied directly into essentially the Ross Kruscian order
Speaker 1: in in in Monaco and was had effectively, uh apparently
Speaker 1: helped incorporate the OTS at that time in in uh
Speaker 1: in Monaco. And so it makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: that he would be that Princess Grace would be affiliated,
Speaker 1: and apparently she was.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of royals in these cults, right, it's
Speaker 2: not even wanted. This is not the only there's not
Speaker 2: one off situation. There's a lot of next nexium the process.
Speaker 2: You know, everyone likes to have their little royal situation
Speaker 2: in these things. And again I would actually argue next
Speaker 2: to him as the Albany chapter of the process would
Speaker 2: have evolved into. But we can get into that a
Speaker 2: little bit later, right, So, No, I appreciate, I appreciate
Speaker 2: we're going with this solar temple stuff too. So what
Speaker 2: I'm what I'm hearing, what you're what you're saying, is like,
Speaker 2: this is kind of an all even though they're not
Speaker 2: openly calling themselves the process, this is kind of an offshoot.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I'm what I how I
Speaker 2: viewed the process as well as this so they have
Speaker 2: these three gods and they really incorporate four or later
Speaker 2: when they incorporate Jesus under the Foundation Faith Movements, et cetera. Right,
Speaker 2: So they do that because they can then incorporate anyone
Speaker 2: else's religion kind of like they can they can fold
Speaker 2: up any other cult kind of right. So I view
Speaker 2: it as the process was the process for like maybe
Speaker 2: m I six and you know, possibly oh and I
Speaker 2: or CIA or both, the process in which they're going
Speaker 2: to do these hood ratchet operations right underneath this cult
Speaker 2: business where they can and then incorporate any other cult
Speaker 2: within the Lucifer, Jehovah, Satan, Christ you know, circumstances, right exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I find it, and that's kind of what I
Speaker 2: was taking there.
Speaker 1: Right, And I think that, uh, when they they kind
Speaker 1: of absconde to Mexico after they leave the UK, it's
Speaker 1: very interesting to me because you have the Metamorals cult
Speaker 1: in the hand of Death cult that, yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: like there was. So I was reading about how potentially
Speaker 1: there were auctions being held in Metamorials for abducted children,
Speaker 1: and that essentially when the finders were caught in tallahassee
Speaker 1: in eighty seven that they were on their way to
Speaker 1: auction these children in Metamorals in Mexico, and that they
Speaker 1: had tied back to a Jesuit institution. And so it
Speaker 1: made a lot of sense to me because you had
Speaker 1: so many Georgetown affiliates who were tied in to the
Speaker 1: Finder's Cult. And you know, in my opinion, the Finder's Cult,
Speaker 1: I believe Ted Gunderson, I think that the Finder's Cult
Speaker 1: was definitely a CIA cut out to abduct an auction children.
Speaker 1: And more than that, I mean they were effectively they
Speaker 1: It's very interesting because they have this crazy connection to
Speaker 1: this sort of like this. They were training CIA operatives
Speaker 1: on computer systems at the time, which is very crazy
Speaker 1: to me that this was even a part of the
Speaker 1: entire narrative in regard to the Finder's Cult. But you know,
Speaker 1: consider the fact, by the way that I discovered most
Speaker 1: of this through Jonestown, and like I had said, right,
Speaker 1: Congressman Leo Ryan's aid William Holsinger, who basically claims that
Speaker 1: William Holsinger right. Basically, you have a UC Berkeley professor
Speaker 1: who wrote up this crazy document called the Penal Colony,
Speaker 1: this paper that detailed how the CIA's mind control programs
Speaker 1: were effectively driven underground and stopped allegedly stopped in seventy three,
Speaker 1: but they had not. They were driven underground for plausible deniability,
Speaker 1: and that was all effectively exposed through this penal Colony paper.
Speaker 1: And so that was in nineteen eighty I believe when
Speaker 1: whole Singer even claimed that Richter Dwyer was at Jonestown
Speaker 1: who was a CIA operative who tied in directly to handling,
Speaker 1: you know, Jim Jones and and so again, for.
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, that's a great point. If I may my
Speaker 2: piggyback on that real quick, I want to put a
Speaker 2: note back there in you know, before we got you
Speaker 2: know before well, let's start with Jones down there, because
Speaker 2: you made some great points there. So Jonestown I think
Speaker 2: is interesting in the way in that regards your saying
Speaker 2: I didn't know that's how you found the process. That's
Speaker 2: also interesting. But it's definitely it's definitely in the same same, uh,
Speaker 2: same conversation. Right. So he's a Christian component, right, So
Speaker 2: maybe he's part of that Christian kind of faction of
Speaker 2: this whole network. So he he's deeply integrated in to
Speaker 2: politics there in San Francisco and in fact, in large
Speaker 2: part as a result of the fall out of Jonestown,
Speaker 2: we can thank the political career with the fall out
Speaker 2: of Jonestown for Diane Feinstein. So Jontown is part of
Speaker 2: the disaster of Jonestown is actually Diane Finstein. So you're
Speaker 2: familiar with the infamous Twinkie assassination right there, and.
Speaker 1: Absolutely it's it's it's so ridiculous, honest. But you know,
Speaker 1: by the way, we have a Kamala connection as well,
Speaker 1: right essentially because of Brown exactly.
Speaker 2: For folks not familiar with, one of the clean up
Speaker 2: crews in the Jonestown situation was the fellow by the
Speaker 2: name of Dan White, a former SF San Francisco p
Speaker 2: D officer turned h you know, councilman and h he
Speaker 2: walked into the office of the mayor with Harvey Milk.
Speaker 2: And remember the Sean Penn film Milk. I'm sure you
Speaker 2: know they you know that cause is son idol in
Speaker 2: the the Q community. I called it Q like lgbt Q,
Speaker 2: all of the above q Q community. So he he
Speaker 2: walks in there and murders him and then he does
Speaker 2: like two years in the mental institution because he said
Speaker 2: that he ate a twinkie and then that sugar rush
Speaker 2: had had caused him to lose his mind. And they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that makes sense, that seems reasonable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, man, I'm telling that.
Speaker 2: And as a result of that, Diane Feinstein became instead
Speaker 2: of a lieutenant mayor or deputy mayor, she then became
Speaker 2: the mayor as a result of this assassination. And uh,
Speaker 2: you know this is at the same time she hired
Speaker 2: that Chinese spy as or driver. It turns out back
Speaker 2: there around nineteen eighty again. And also you know, she
Speaker 2: was so looney tunes that even the folks of San
Speaker 2: Francisco would not elect her, speaking of Kamala right, see,
Speaker 2: she serves that same attribute. Even the folks out there
Speaker 2: would not elect her. She so damn looney tunes Zion
Speaker 2: fine stand ran for mayor numerous times, she was appointed
Speaker 2: deputy mayor and then again seized power and then ran
Speaker 2: for Senate and never looked back. But it all, it
Speaker 2: was all very interesting amongst these whole this whole network
Speaker 2: of these same how these major parapolitical assassinations are connected.
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, and by the way, and.
Speaker 2: I want to the other pen was the Metamorro so
Speaker 2: but yeah, please go please go ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh, I just uh, there was another assassination of a
Speaker 1: diplomat in in DC. Was it through a car bomb?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh that spot actually DuPont Circle.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So connections with Colonia Digna dead and
Speaker 1: this Nazi safe haven through these Cleindestine rat lines that
Speaker 1: had been set up post World War two, and basically
Speaker 1: Colonia Dignidad was where they essentially were carrying out war
Speaker 1: crimes in Chile. Yeah, don't drink the kool aid, man,
Speaker 1: but it was flavor Aid. But it really upset that
Speaker 1: if you call it kool aid in the nerdy Jonestown
Speaker 1: community because it was technically flavor Aid, it was the
Speaker 1: off brand. These are Marxists, right, we got to remember
Speaker 1: these communists. I just thought it was so funny because
Speaker 1: you listen to the death tape, right, and he's pleading.
Speaker 1: And by the way, obviously like the racial dynamic in Jonestown,
Speaker 1: it's very strange, right. You have this interesting inner circle
Speaker 1: of Jim Jones that are all that are all white guys,
Speaker 1: and then you have that the members of the Red
Speaker 1: Brigade essentially as well, and then you have the vast
Speaker 1: majority of the members of the People's Temple just being
Speaker 1: African American. And it is strange though, because listening to
Speaker 1: the death tape, uh, he's he's like, there's this one
Speaker 1: woman who's basically just kind of pushing back on like
Speaker 1: why do we have to kill ourselves? Like didn't you
Speaker 1: say we had an out to like go go to
Speaker 1: Russia and uh and be staved like.
Speaker 2: Evan's Gate right there. I thought we were going to
Speaker 2: catch a Lea's coming exactly.
Speaker 1: And uh. And he pleads to them by saying, you know,
Speaker 1: don't you all want to die? Uh? You know, good
Speaker 1: God believing, so.
Speaker 2: You want to be right with the Lord, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's it's very interesting, but you have
Speaker 1: all the rest of them already in kind of a
Speaker 1: frenzy shouting her down, shut up, like it's good. It's
Speaker 1: crazy how they actually are speaking to her. And and
Speaker 1: yet you still kind of like, listening to the whole tape,
Speaker 1: you you hear him say, get Dwyer out of here, right,
Speaker 1: Jim Jones, because obviously Richard Dwyer was the CIA asset
Speaker 1: who had who was fundamentally you know, had already gone
Speaker 1: down to the Port Coyuma airstrip where Congressman le O
Speaker 1: Ryan had been assassinated, and yeah, and then had made
Speaker 1: it back to the temple and in time for for
Speaker 1: or the you know, the for the mass exodus, right,
Speaker 1: the mass suicide rellegively, but yeah, it's wasn't wasn't the
Speaker 1: State Department fellow that wasn't It later turned out he was.
Speaker 2: He was a CI operative as well, the one that
Speaker 2: was on the airstrip and survived exactly.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think the entire right, and
Speaker 1: when you look into the family that was involved, because
Speaker 1: it's very interesting in terms of Jonestown specifically because if
Speaker 1: you get into the the details of Larry Layton and
Speaker 1: his father who technically was in charge of of he
Speaker 1: was basically in charge of psychological operations and and MK
Speaker 1: ultra at a certain level basically because he was running yeah,
Speaker 1: this advanced medical so basically where was this out of
Speaker 1: this is uh uh, let me pull up Larry Layton
Speaker 1: because it's in my notes.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting when when you're saying stuff like that
Speaker 2: again and back to this next the situation again, I'll
Speaker 2: go into it later when we get the go backs processed. Situation.
Speaker 2: We'll get there eventually, but to that chronologically speaking, but
Speaker 2: just while we're on the subject. So next to hum
Speaker 2: it was often undescribed. Again, these things that go undescribed,
Speaker 2: even though these topics are you know, everyone knows the
Speaker 2: word nexium, but most folks don't know. Next to him
Speaker 2: was literally doing mk ultr experiments on their their membership
Speaker 2: out of a hospital in Albany and a facility in Monterey, Mexico.
Speaker 2: That the neurologist who was a member of the cult,
Speaker 2: he got heat. You can, folks can look up his uh,
Speaker 2: his commission hearing there the licensing commission in the state
Speaker 2: of New York. He lost his doctor's license over these matters.
Speaker 2: And they cite they don't say it was mk ultr experiments,
Speaker 2: but they cite that he was doing forcing like you know,
Speaker 2: like having folks to a chair, strapping their eyes open
Speaker 2: and force them to watch snuff films. Because we've already
Speaker 2: touched on that, that's a big part of this stuff.
Speaker 2: So one of the investigatory documents I read said they
Speaker 2: had identified seven or eight women that seem to be
Speaker 2: actual murder victims and these snuff films. Apparently there's one
Speaker 2: reference to that an all fainted reference in our mind,
Speaker 2: and they don't say it was New York or Mexico,
Speaker 2: because I wonder because again when we're talking Mata Moros again,
Speaker 2: this is that's in the state of Monterey. It's not
Speaker 2: far from the city of Monterey. So you make you
Speaker 2: wonder how long has this stuff been going on? Because
Speaker 2: Nick and I did a couple episodes on these subjects
Speaker 2: with Matta Morros and the vampire cult, right Nick, which
Speaker 2: is all out of that same region. They're all doing
Speaker 2: narco drug trafficking. They're all doing it under this guise
Speaker 2: of kind of Satanism stuff, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it all gets really fucking weird, it out
Speaker 3: of control.
Speaker 2: And it seems like the victims, as always are not targeted,
Speaker 2: right I mean, I'm sorry, not random. You have a
Speaker 2: Dea agent son right in the Matta Morros victim list.
Speaker 2: He's the one who spawned the investigation. Really, And it
Speaker 2: turns out that that old Adolpho Costanzo was reporting directly
Speaker 2: to the head of Intrepol in Mexico and he was
Speaker 2: apparently running off. He was helping Costanzo infiltrate into these
Speaker 2: different drug uh cartels, right, which he'd already done two
Speaker 2: before Matta Morris. He infiltrates the cartel, takes out the leader,
Speaker 2: and then moves on to the next one by becoming
Speaker 2: their spiritual leader. Right, So he had a whole mo
Speaker 2: with that, and I'm sure probably he was a prostitute
Speaker 2: male process. This is probably weird suck stuff too, but absolutely,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So there there is a
Speaker 2: whole narrative there that that operates around these cults that
Speaker 2: you know, as many times as Matda Morris gets described,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't you know, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 2: obviously provide myself and Nick and Juliet over Cosmic Peach
Speaker 2: and Heidi and Jen who have all participated in these
Speaker 2: conversations as well. And I think right from Codex of
Speaker 2: Codex's Kodega of conspiracies there who sent us down this track,
Speaker 2: right Nick? But we, uh, you know, we were starting
Speaker 2: to compare all these things, you know, and uh, these
Speaker 2: there's so much comparison to you know, all the stuff
Speaker 2: we're talking about here with the process cults, with all
Speaker 2: that stuff there in Mexico, and a nexium was operating
Speaker 2: out of there, and Adolpho Gristanza may as well be
Speaker 2: named Charles Manson in my.
Speaker 1: Opinion, seriously man, and uh, yeah, it was Larry Layton's dad.
Speaker 1: I found this very interesting because he was basically the
Speaker 1: So he was the biochemist in charge of the US
Speaker 1: Army's chemical warfare program at its Doug Waye Building ground
Speaker 1: in Utah, in Utah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's kind of doing a Frank Zappa's dad situation,
Speaker 2: but he's not an Edgewood Arsenal's isn't right.
Speaker 1: And and it's very interesting because all the large amounts
Speaker 1: of psychoactive mind controlled drugs found on the site of Jhonestown, Uh,
Speaker 1: sodium pentathal, diazepam, thora zine, Larry Layton exactly. And Larry Layton,
Speaker 1: the lieutenant who became the only person charged in any
Speaker 1: of the killings, also a key member of the airstrip
Speaker 1: hit team obviously, and somehow survived the Jonestown masker. He's
Speaker 1: later described as sinking and uh as sinking into a
Speaker 1: post hypnotic trance as he sunk ever deeper under Jones
Speaker 1: spell Layton's own father, who was running this, this biochemist
Speaker 1: as far as the running the US Army chemical warfare program.
Speaker 1: He even said that he called him a robot. Larry Layton,
Speaker 1: his own son, the only one ever charged. And so
Speaker 1: that to me I found very interesting because it was
Speaker 1: it was George Philip Blakey, who was Larry Layton's brother
Speaker 1: in law. Now, this man is the man who arranged
Speaker 1: the lease on Jonestown with the Guyanese government on Jim
Speaker 1: Jones' behalf and was reportedly a mercenary for the CIA
Speaker 1: back to United Rebels in Angola, which we know for
Speaker 1: a fact now that Operation Shalom, I think is what
Speaker 1: it was called with with Colton Westbrook, Colston Westbrook, that's.
Speaker 2: And uh and basically go ahead, go ahead, no, go ahead, No,
Speaker 2: you're good, buddy, I know I was going to Can
Speaker 2: you please describe who that is? Yeah? Please go right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he essentially was was a part of Project
Speaker 1: Phoenix or the Phoenix operation right and what and and
Speaker 1: basically was uh what was tasked with training and goal
Speaker 1: and rebels on this black site which then became Jonestown,
Speaker 1: the People's Temple of Jonestown and the remote jungles of
Speaker 1: Guyana right on the the uh right on the border
Speaker 1: of Venezuela believes what what borders which is very interesting
Speaker 1: as far as the geopolitical context of of that playing
Speaker 1: out at the time, especially considering the British Black Watch
Speaker 1: who were in the area when the mass suicide took place,
Speaker 1: who just so happened to be in the area. And
Speaker 1: then you have uh, Colonel bo Gritz, who was the
Speaker 1: hot who was the negotiator who went down to Ruby
Speaker 1: Ridge and was trying to talk to Randy Weaver. And
Speaker 1: because Randy Weaver was a former Green Beret, So right,
Speaker 1: green Bray, I'm glad you brought that.
Speaker 2: Up because I do want to get into Idaho and
Speaker 2: that's obviously a very similar event in recent history. And
Speaker 2: I to have regarding all these.
Speaker 1: Matters, definitely, and I won't forget to just to explain
Speaker 1: Colston Westbrook a little bit, but it's still interesting as
Speaker 1: far as the fact that you have Colonel bow Gritz
Speaker 1: claiming as a as a former Special Forces Green Berray
Speaker 1: commander that he was he was told by Green Berey,
Speaker 1: you know, special Forces operatives that were called to the
Speaker 1: site of the People's Temple agricultural project in Jonestown, and
Speaker 1: that he was told that this was a clean up
Speaker 1: crew for MK Ultra and that this was an m
Speaker 1: k Ultra operation gone wrong. They were effectively all right,
Speaker 1: we have to essentially, you know, the ops been overexposed.
Speaker 1: Let's lure down Congressman and Leo O. Ryan because he
Speaker 1: had been a thorn in the side of the intelligence
Speaker 1: apparatus and definitely the agency at the time. He had
Speaker 1: been just showing up at Langley, uh, saying, all right,
Speaker 1: show me the files, what have you guys been up to?
Speaker 2: And he's like.
Speaker 1: Man and one of one of the most radical congressmen
Speaker 1: I've ever read about. I can't even imagine a congressman
Speaker 1: doing something like this in modern day. He was going
Speaker 1: in covertly into uh the prison complex in in California,
Speaker 1: and he was, uh, he was attempting to go in
Speaker 1: as a prisoner to to effectively understand how the the
Speaker 1: you know, they were treating prisoners at the time, and
Speaker 1: so he's he's going under cover and like uh uh
Speaker 1: into these uh maximum facilities which which were just like
Speaker 1: it is very interesting to me. But again he claimed
Speaker 1: that Patty Hurst was obviously a a product of m
Speaker 1: k Ultra and that the s l A, the Symbionese
Speaker 1: Army was was effectively a construct of the intelligence apparatus
Speaker 1: through mk ultra's clandestine operation utilizing uh the institution Vacaville,
Speaker 1: where basically Charles Manson had attended in the early fifties,
Speaker 1: which ties directly into his mind control training and conditioning.
Speaker 1: And knowing what they did at Vaucaville, it's very interesting
Speaker 1: because they had this policy of first of all, understanding
Speaker 1: the California prison complex is so compromised, and it's it
Speaker 1: was really just you know, being utilized by the intelligence
Speaker 1: apparatus at the time to perform these COVID operations. And
Speaker 1: so what they utilized this institution for they were just
Speaker 1: like letting prisoners go after they received their conditioning and
Speaker 1: they would show up right in random locations all around
Speaker 1: the domestic us causing chaos. It seemed like chaos dio. Right.
Speaker 2: So that's the end of the day, and that's that's
Speaker 2: kind of where my way, that's where the problem. We
Speaker 2: can circle back to the Pross. Your explanation is great.
Speaker 2: I love how you're connecting all of these things because
Speaker 2: I do view them as all connected to these military
Speaker 2: spook operation networks as you're describing. You know, we we're
Speaker 2: sold different story narratives publicly that you know, this is
Speaker 2: a you know, you may as well just call it
Speaker 2: the swamp gas theory, if you will, but sold publicly
Speaker 2: Disneyland narrators around these subjects that may have some truth
Speaker 2: that rooted in them, but they ultimately they're spinning away
Speaker 2: from the idea of that narrative is to spin away
Speaker 2: from whatever's really going on, right So, and that is
Speaker 2: obviously what's going on with Jonestown, you know, even the
Speaker 2: we even talk about what they drink improperly. Right. So,
Speaker 2: and again all these we find out later, all those
Speaker 2: spook spooks around there, and we find that what I'm
Speaker 2: getting at, here's we find out with every kind of
Speaker 2: process thing. So with the RFK assassination, so when they
Speaker 2: came they came to America basically in sixty eight there
Speaker 2: and immediately got to business with some stuff. And with
Speaker 2: the RFK situation, we find out there's just process and
Speaker 2: CIA folks everywhere around them. But we don't find that
Speaker 2: out till years later. Right, So between Thane, Eugene Caesar
Speaker 2: and uh a fellow by the name of Alard Lowenstein
Speaker 2: who just happened to be best friends with Donald Rumsfeld totally,
Speaker 2: you know, he comes out he's a congressman at the time.
Speaker 2: He comes out later find out after he gets murdered
Speaker 2: in his office in nineteen eighty by a mind control assassin.
Speaker 2: Somebody just walks in their mind control, a wise silence,
Speaker 2: just them, you know, like like Dan White, did you
Speaker 2: don't know Alur loans.
Speaker 1: Know of this story? Man?
Speaker 2: No, no, dude, I was when when you were describing.
Speaker 2: So I was downloading a lot of pictures to show
Speaker 2: you so from my phone here. So Alur Loansing was
Speaker 2: a congressman. He was a congressman with him and Rummy
Speaker 2: as he called him, they were a junior congressman together,
Speaker 2: and then he was a Democrat. Rummy was a Republican.
Speaker 2: This is the sick.
Speaker 3: Losing Grandmain's got you right.
Speaker 1: It's a perfect window and to how they coexist, right,
Speaker 1: to manufacture that kind of illusion, the two party delusion
Speaker 1: right there you here in bag.
Speaker 2: By my back. As I said, here, I got cut out,
Speaker 2: filled with my WiFi situation there, so help me bring
Speaker 2: up Lowan. See. So you know, like I said, he's
Speaker 2: tied with rum Spell and whatnot. But we find out
Speaker 2: after he's murdered in nineteen eighty that he was a
Speaker 2: CIA agent the entire time. He's a congressman, and no one,
Speaker 2: no one bats and eye at these things. And I'll
Speaker 2: and I'll make a point here in a moment, how
Speaker 2: that's still relevant today. But Sollen Lowenstein's literally at I
Speaker 2: don't know that he's at the dinner in Malibu the
Speaker 2: night before the Ambassador Hotel American of RFK, but I
Speaker 2: know from his staffer, you know, from some folks that
Speaker 2: you know, worked for him. I spent six years in
Speaker 2: DC and I don't do politics, and I've only voted
Speaker 2: once under duress. And that's a long story. Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: I was I was on active duty and he's facing jail,
Speaker 2: and is you know, you got to vote, and again
Speaker 2: it's it sounds ridiculous, and it really is ridiculous. But
Speaker 2: it's a different story altogether. The nonetheless, I don't play politics,
Speaker 2: but nonetheless I got you know, I knew a lot
Speaker 2: of political folks and I heard some stories. So Lowenstein
Speaker 2: was allegedly at the Ambassador Hotel with this came from
Speaker 2: a staffer who worked for him at the time. It
Speaker 2: was an old person, you know, by the time I'd
Speaker 2: met this person. Uh, I managed the budget for military
Speaker 2: place for the Air Force. So I would have interactions
Speaker 2: with with you know, folks in Congress always trying to
Speaker 2: get the ear marks and pork stuff and whatever other
Speaker 2: weird political name they want to add to these things
Speaker 2: in the budgets. So you know, you need, like you know,
Speaker 2: somebody within their military to be like, yeah, we need
Speaker 2: that shit. And I would just tell people we don't
Speaker 2: need that ship. In fact, come back to my office again.
Speaker 2: And that found me quickly in the crosshairs of the
Speaker 2: Podesta brothers because they ran K Street. They were the
Speaker 2: kings of K Street and the lobbyists. They ran all
Speaker 2: the lobbyists there. And if you found out quick if
Speaker 2: you tell a lobbyists to go fuck themselves, that you're
Speaker 2: going to find yourself in a weird and weird circumstance
Speaker 2: as an environment in that town. But nonetheless, the uh,
Speaker 2: my point being is Lowenstein by by incredible source. Lowestein
Speaker 2: was at the Ambassador Hotel in the kitchen and was
Speaker 2: one of the individuals holding Rfk's dead body. My god, man,
Speaker 2: that's where that's our Lowenstein. Now, his son was deep
Speaker 2: up in the Clinton State Department is very prominent. We
Speaker 2: noted within the Podesta emails.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so that is insane. I know.
Speaker 2: Uh well, the Thleen mc favor was the University of
Speaker 2: Yale University's librarian asking John Podesta for a one on
Speaker 2: one meeting with Barack Obama. That was the thelemic favor.
Speaker 3: Wow your library?
Speaker 2: What Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Weird? Right? That is so much like dentists do. I
Speaker 2: think the librarians are just fucking as sad like Assassin's
Speaker 2: waiting in the wings. Right. You're also you've probably seen
Speaker 2: a lot of this weird dentist activity around a lot
Speaker 2: of these uh these cult networks right specifically around Madson
Speaker 2: and you know, hypnotists, dentists, there's a lot of creepy,
Speaker 2: little weird professionals. I think, like that's a dangerous person.
Speaker 1: But Tim McVay as well, Yeah, yeah, I found something
Speaker 1: very interesting on on McVay recently. But I'll pull that
Speaker 1: here in a moment because it was very interesting to
Speaker 1: see that one of the one of the mk ulture
Speaker 1: facilit these that was being utilized for the modern operation
Speaker 1: was basically he was he was working security there after
Speaker 1: he came back from the alleged goal for and and
Speaker 1: then had his his yeah run in with the Special
Speaker 1: Forces and dropped out of the training allegedly even though
Speaker 1: he told his sister that obviously he and a select
Speaker 1: few their social security numbers were called out when they
Speaker 1: were in formation one day after they took these these
Speaker 1: various tests and psychological tests, and he had scored a
Speaker 1: very very high on this test. And so basically he
Speaker 1: had been recruited into covert clendestdyn domestic operations. And this
Speaker 1: was the moment that occurred. But it's very strange because
Speaker 1: it seems like he had told individuals who in like
Speaker 1: I think it was David Paul Hammer or Paul David Hammer.
Speaker 1: I always mixed that name up. But one of the
Speaker 1: inmates on death Row who he served time with, he
Speaker 1: told him that he essentially, no, he.
Speaker 2: Would not die.
Speaker 1: He had in the large molar I think is where
Speaker 1: it was in his tooth. He had basically been micro chip,
Speaker 1: he claimed essentially through through this process and that he
Speaker 1: would effectively be rescued by his uh you know, basically,
Speaker 1: they would give him a counteracting dose that would uh
Speaker 1: basically counteract his his h end of life moment when
Speaker 1: he was executed, and then he would be ushered off,
Speaker 1: which obviously if you if you know the details of
Speaker 1: kind of how they misdirected the public to the hearst
Speaker 1: and and uh and everything that happened with his body,
Speaker 1: let's get into some of that.
Speaker 2: It's very mysterious, you know, if folks like to think
Speaker 2: it's cut and dry, and it's not.
Speaker 1: As it's fascinating stuff. But the whole reason I even
Speaker 1: brought it up was because I found out about this
Speaker 1: insane there's this insane series of photos uh that that
Speaker 1: were in uh basically in Time magazine in in this
Speaker 1: it's very strange because it seems like, uh, this has
Speaker 1: a direc tie into Sirhan Sirhan basically being so Henry
Speaker 1: loose ran Time whenever this this these pictures were taken
Speaker 1: where they were in apparently they were in Grand Central Park, right,
Speaker 1: and they were basically they were basically it was for
Speaker 1: this skate issue where all these like it was strange.
Speaker 1: They were all brown people and they were like Sirhan
Speaker 1: Sirhan was one of them, seemingly with the individual bus
Speaker 1: boy who was basically the first to be on rfk's
Speaker 1: body in the pantry of the Ambassador that night, and
Speaker 1: so he was also in that same picture years before,
Speaker 1: just a few years prior to the I believe it
Speaker 1: was in sixty three or sixty four when the pictures
Speaker 1: took place. But it's fascinating stuff, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, has got a lot of interesting connections done, even
Speaker 2: sides Rosicrucianism and whatnot and everything else in that nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy four s report placing him So I want to
Speaker 2: just ask your opinion less placing him at the scene
Speaker 2: of the Tate Polanski him doing sex magic rituals with
Speaker 2: an English quote unquote English satanic cult. That's the process.
Speaker 2: So that would be May, that would be circum late
Speaker 2: May or early presumably late May of nineteen sixty eighty
Speaker 2: corn to that report. But you know, the process, That's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, This journey into America, back to the process.
Speaker 2: They don't you know, it's always mired in a mystery
Speaker 2: and typically false facts. So you know, one of the
Speaker 2: things I know, Dana Dude all turned up was them
Speaker 2: calling themselves the process far earlier. You know, I believe
Speaker 2: it was a corporate document dating back to sixty six,
Speaker 2: I believe in the UK. Now, the corporation's name wasn't
Speaker 2: the Process, but the opening sentence of the corporate documents
Speaker 2: say this is for a group that calls itself the Process.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, that's amazing, especially considering how you know, if
Speaker 1: you think about John Markham, I found this very interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has direct connections to satanic murder and right, which
Speaker 1: is is very strange, the Laruge trials and and all
Speaker 1: that's connected in with that. It's very interesting because it
Speaker 1: seems like, you know, clearly, first of all, he's incorporating
Speaker 1: the San Francisco chapter of the process, and and he's
Speaker 1: directly involved with Jeffery McDonald's defense, which is very interesting.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, May Austin, So John John Markham, he did
Speaker 2: incorporate them in New York before that he incorporated them
Speaker 2: I'm sorry San Francisco, but years prior to that he
Speaker 2: incorporated them in New York. I believe it was seventy
Speaker 2: two when they moved a pound Ridge. So he's working
Speaker 2: for them for over twelve years. Then, like you're saying,
Speaker 2: he leaves office, goes to the US Attorney's office, is
Speaker 2: hired by Tuesday, Weld's cousin. That's a different story altogether,
Speaker 2: Bill Weld Tuesday, and then and then he starts prosecuting.
Speaker 2: I know LaRouche is clearly involved in Iran contra. I'd
Speaker 2: love to get your pend in here. But to me,
Speaker 2: he's clearly involved in Iran contract but he seems to
Speaker 2: be the only one actually blowing any whistles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I charged with.
Speaker 2: Fraud, right and they and they send the Process attorney
Speaker 2: after him, and he's publishing in This is a weird
Speaker 2: dynamic the folks, so I think really need understand. This
Speaker 2: is the very same time the Roosh is publishing in
Speaker 2: his publications. How John Markham is an attorney for the
Speaker 2: same Satanic military intelligence spook operation that he's trying to
Speaker 2: out exactly. It's you know, he's like, is anyone not
Speaker 2: paying attention to this? So you know, obviously he's friends
Speaker 2: with Oliver North. I mean, there's a lot of probably
Speaker 2: negative shit you say about Parus, but he wasn't wrong.
Speaker 2: This Anglo American influences is perpetrated through the Process, but
Speaker 2: it's also perpetrated through other mechanisms like the Secret Society
Speaker 2: that created America, the Society of the Cincinnati which is
Speaker 2: also represented in the Process, and Dana Dude all Night
Speaker 2: and Rotting Jewels there. You know, and we did. Folks
Speaker 2: can check it out on an earlier episode of Operation GCD.
Speaker 2: We did. She was a guest and we did. The
Speaker 2: Society of the Cincinnati meets the Process. So that's some genealogy.
Speaker 2: You know, these things are you know, they're rooted in
Speaker 2: the folks that run that run this place. It's not
Speaker 2: just you know, some low level ship. This is some
Speaker 2: of the upper upper Reschlan ship we're talking about here.
Speaker 2: So when we're talking about how these narratives are skewed
Speaker 2: and you know, these timelines are kind of funky and
Speaker 2: they don't really see it makes sense given the name
Speaker 2: in facts, you know, I think we're you know, we
Speaker 2: can kind of understand that why that is when we
Speaker 2: understand who where, it's kind of where it's kind of
Speaker 2: coming from right soon, man.
Speaker 1: And I had no real understanding as far as the Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know, obviously the RFK assassination is perfectly implicated in
Speaker 1: terms of the process involvement. But I had no realization
Speaker 1: of the JFK assassination. Uh basically was was uh it
Speaker 1: blew my mind, honestly, that bler Yeah, dude, And and well.
Speaker 2: If we may close out on Bill well here and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, at least put a paw on there. Bill
Speaker 2: Weld Society, Cincinnati Family. I'm not saying he's a member,
Speaker 2: but the Welds basically run the Massachusetts chapter. They started Harvard,
Speaker 2: et cetera right there. Their home was on a mound
Speaker 2: world manor it was that was that was the chapter
Speaker 2: that was kind of the the Wars of seventeen seventy six.
Speaker 2: That was the headquarters kind of in Massachusetts was the
Speaker 2: Weld home. So very powerful family. And again he hires
Speaker 2: Markham the Eternity to prosecute the sky La rouge. But
Speaker 2: Markham will come back to him in a second because
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of other interesting things going on
Speaker 2: in there with Yeah, the well I would finish up
Speaker 2: with markoum. I suppose you. Yeah, that's good. What are
Speaker 2: your thoughts on hims involved? So you mentioned Gunderson, right,
Speaker 2: So Gunderson, Ted Gunderson, famed FBI agent. He retires in
Speaker 2: I think seventy nine after they wouldn't appoint him the
Speaker 2: new FBI director because before he ran co intel Pro,
Speaker 2: he was, you know, the the subversive actions of all
Speaker 2: these kind of nefarious hood rat ship we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Coin Telpro is the FBI's kind of version. You know,
Speaker 2: he's uh, you know, he's doing the I think he
Speaker 2: was the assistant to Jagar Hoover. Then he'd ran Cointelpro
Speaker 2: and then he by his own admission, he thought he
Speaker 2: was gonna be the next director at some point. But
Speaker 2: then he leaves and gets involved in fighting satanic panic.
Speaker 2: Oh at that point in time where he started's like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go help this Jeffer McDonald,
Speaker 2: guy Fort Bragg, and then just seems like he brings
Speaker 2: in Alan Dershowitz and John Markham as attorneys right to
Speaker 2: help Jeffrey McDonald who is screaming since day one that
Speaker 2: a hippie satanic cole murdered his family in the Middenite
Speaker 2: Manson style, right exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy to me because you just consider the
Speaker 1: fact that, you know, obviously these are the usual suspects
Speaker 1: involved with the vast majority of what seems to be
Speaker 1: I think this really implicates this wider clandestine intelligence international
Speaker 1: network that was that was essentially kind of implemented post
Speaker 1: World War two, very whack and huts, the same thing
Speaker 1: in my you see.
Speaker 2: A guy that is allegedly a member of the Process
Speaker 2: on his board, so you know, obviously they're not the
Speaker 2: process you had at this point in time with permandex.
Speaker 2: But in you know, in the early sixties when Jim
Speaker 2: Garrison's investigating, specifically in charges board member klay shawl right
Speaker 2: and famed Garrison Investigation and Jaff Kay assassination. Klay Shaw's
Speaker 2: associate besides mafia boss Joseph Bonano was on that board
Speaker 2: was Roy Cone, who David as a member of the process.
Speaker 1: Hold on, say say that one more time, because David Burkewitz,
Speaker 1: you already know, was claiming that Roy Cohne was running
Speaker 1: human compromise operations in his home in Massachusetts with these
Speaker 1: various parties that he was having and that the Process
Speaker 1: was providing young children for those very for those very
Speaker 1: parties of sexual first sexual blackmail.
Speaker 2: But in David Burkeowitz signed a memorandum in ninety six
Speaker 2: witnessed by multiple parties including Mary Terry, saying that he
Speaker 2: witnessed Roy Cone ben to roy Cone's house and apparently
Speaker 2: roy Cone was the inn at Studio fifty four. Folks
Speaker 2: often won, well, how did David burke Whitz get into
Speaker 2: Studio fifty four, as he claims, well, it seems that
Speaker 2: that was Roy Cones official office, so he had kind
Speaker 2: of taken over ownership and more or less ownership of that.
Speaker 2: The owners of Studio fifty four were in debt to
Speaker 2: Roy and his law partner to the tune of a
Speaker 2: lot of money, and that law partner left the Mayor's office.
Speaker 2: Mayor had a Beam's office to go, you know, do
Speaker 2: Roy hood red stuff. So do you see this connection?
Speaker 1: Not only you know Ham his bo you're saying that
Speaker 1: was said.
Speaker 2: Burke, was said a Beam's son, and multiple staffers were
Speaker 2: part of the part of there, and I was, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would have served. One of those staffers was Roy
Speaker 2: Cones law partner who was also represented the Studio fifty
Speaker 2: four owners and numerous hood rat shit. So you know
Speaker 2: a lot of me said there with those weird dynamics,
Speaker 2: right for sure, we're definitely definitely Roy interesting character. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's on the he's on the board of permandecks and
Speaker 2: you know we're gonna talk CHFK. Then I'll make the
Speaker 2: point that Jim Garrison, I think, was the the man
Speaker 2: who brought those charges against the perman Deexs board member
Speaker 2: Clay Shaw and was investigating folks like Tommy Jude Bomber's crew.
Speaker 2: There the attorney that incorporates the process, who has worked
Speaker 2: out of Guy Banister's office. Jim Garrison knew all of
Speaker 2: these characters on before then Banister, you know, all Bomber,
Speaker 2: all these guys, you know, he knew there were shady bunch.
Speaker 2: She knew. He knew David Ferry back from for twenty
Speaker 2: plus years when David Ferry was Lee Harvey Oswald's Civil
Speaker 2: Air Patrol leader, right, yes, was the general in charge
Speaker 2: of those numerous civil Air Patrol units. So he was
Speaker 2: the FBI agent, and in Idaho he's the FBI agent.
Speaker 2: And I think him when Guy Banister and Freddy Christman
Speaker 2: are running UFO operations in July forty seven out of
Speaker 2: Puget Sound, right, so that Garrison what the fuck was
Speaker 2: going on with these people? And then and then he starts,
Speaker 2: he starts that he charges Clay shawl in sixty seven there, right,
Speaker 2: And then the process show up in New Orleans. I
Speaker 2: don't think that's by any stretch coincidental. And then they
Speaker 2: hire an attorney that's he's already been investigating for numerous
Speaker 2: years right out of an office that he's already been
Speaker 2: investigating for numerous years. These things are not all on them,
Speaker 2: right if you look at the you know, no one
Speaker 2: really talks about this, but if you look at the
Speaker 2: grand jury statements, he was looking at mainly around a
Speaker 2: fellow by name of Damn just blue Blue dribbiling uh
Speaker 2: not Lee Harvey Oswald. That's ridiculous, Lee Harp.
Speaker 4: Lee Harvey Oswald's double Kerry thorn Yes, dude, I was
Speaker 4: about to bring him up because that is the direct
Speaker 4: connection of the process with the death assassination in my mind,
Speaker 4: And and.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely is. I think Discordianism his little religion. I
Speaker 2: don't buy their bullshit narrative of how it started. I
Speaker 2: view it as a offshoot of the process within this
Speaker 2: whole military spook apparatuson. You know, I think Garrison did too.
Speaker 2: So Garrison would follomy throughout his life. He would follow
Speaker 2: Thornley to Atlanta, you know, Atlanta circa nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 2: Why is Jim Garrison visiting Atlanta in seventy nine other
Speaker 2: than to Harassedmentry Thornley at the time of the Atlanta
Speaker 2: child killings.
Speaker 1: That's exactly my god, Man, you're you're you're blowing my
Speaker 1: mind because of course that is exactly where I'm at
Speaker 1: personally in this moment. I'm investigating the Atlanta child murders.
Speaker 1: That's going to be my next upcoming episode, because I
Speaker 1: just couldn't even believe that. Of course, allegedly the process
Speaker 1: the way it was explained, but I think it's far
Speaker 1: more complicated than this. But I did see it in
Speaker 1: many different ways explained as if they uprooted from upstate
Speaker 1: New York and then all of a sudden they resurfaced
Speaker 1: in Atlanta just around the time that the Atlanta child
Speaker 1: murders are taking place, and you have this very strike
Speaker 1: it's a little.
Speaker 2: Bit more complex than Now York. That is an accurate description.
Speaker 1: That's an abscription, right, And I think that as far
Speaker 1: as the honestly, I think that the way that Detective
Speaker 1: Jim Rosstein was kind of viewing that all at the
Speaker 1: time as well, was kind of he was trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out as he went, and so he the
Speaker 1: way that he viewed it was that there was a
Speaker 1: specific cell that he was investigating that I think maybe
Speaker 1: had potentially fled the area after he was investigating the
Speaker 1: the Undermeyer Park connections to the Devil's Cave and all
Speaker 1: these these mass death or or these mass graves of
Speaker 1: Alsatian German shepherd dogs and things of that nature, you know.
Speaker 1: And by the way, another strange fastball, just.
Speaker 2: One note, if I may, if I may, their Austin,
Speaker 2: so I know folks often get tripped up on this,
Speaker 2: the uh, interchangeable usage of Alsatian and German shepherds. It's
Speaker 2: the same breed. They just during the World War Two
Speaker 2: the British were like, we can't call these things Germans anymores,
Speaker 2: We'll call them Alsatians.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. But yeah, that and there's directly yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and and there's the same uh, there's a tie in
Speaker 1: directly to kind of the Nazi occultism aspect of of
Speaker 1: a lot of the philosophy playing out as far as
Speaker 1: the loyalty tests with the Alsatian dogs, which I found
Speaker 1: very interesting because of course they would have members of
Speaker 1: the s S. They would give them, gif them puppies,
Speaker 1: and these these German shepherd puppies, and then they would
Speaker 1: raise them and have to execute them at a certain point.
Speaker 1: And this was a loyalty test to some extent, and
Speaker 1: of course another aspect of kind of I think it
Speaker 1: was far more than that, because I think that animal
Speaker 1: sacrifices is and blood rituals are are actually far more
Speaker 1: of a part of kind of the approach of the occult,
Speaker 1: of the occultist mindset and philosophical Uh. You know, in
Speaker 1: my mind, they were exercising this occultism within the the
Speaker 1: inner circle of the s s and that that was
Speaker 1: very obvious.
Speaker 2: I mean you have if you don't mind, will you
Speaker 2: impact that though a little bit? Because Nick and I
Speaker 2: keep looking at all these various animal sacrifice set for
Speaker 2: the dog stuff, and yeah, we prebly communicate offline conversations
Speaker 2: like trying to bounce ninety is like, what is really
Speaker 2: the rout of all this animal sacrifice stuff?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Why are they so focused on German shepherds?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is very strange and and uh and by
Speaker 1: the way, remember that story of Rudolph hes like apparently uh,
Speaker 1: putting on the rope that had all these ancient ruins
Speaker 1: all over it and he's having these like uh magical
Speaker 1: bars with Aleister Crowley at the time, allegedly and that
Speaker 1: he yeah, he like decides that he's going to board uh.
Speaker 1: Uh Cessna essentially and fly into the UK and he
Speaker 1: gets shot down over the UK airspace and it was
Speaker 1: put instantly into prison. But it was very strange.
Speaker 2: He was going to meet with the British royals then, right,
Speaker 2: because there was the British Royals who were supporters. Right,
Speaker 2: that was the story, right, Yeah, that's the slot King
Speaker 2: Charles Uncle, right exactly.
Speaker 1: And but again it's like with these the strange stories,
Speaker 1: and in terms of these Alsatian dogs, it does seem
Speaker 1: like it was one it was far easier to of course,
Speaker 1: you know, get access to these these animals that would
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any sort of real uh tie to anyone
Speaker 1: looking out for their well being or concerned about the
Speaker 1: you know, the ultimate consequence of what might happen to
Speaker 1: the dogs once they were actually you know, taken in
Speaker 1: by the organization and utilized for the blood ritual sacrifice.
Speaker 1: So I think that's one aspect of it. It's it's
Speaker 1: easier to get a hold of animals, and but specifically
Speaker 1: the German shepherd dogs. I think that is where you
Speaker 1: have the the strange Nazi occult tie in. And and
Speaker 1: again this is I haven't gotten any sort of like
Speaker 1: straight answer as to the reason why this specific breed
Speaker 1: other than they believe that it is the most human
Speaker 1: like because they're very intelligent and they have essentially this
Speaker 1: is the best that they can do is get closest
Speaker 1: to a human sacrifice is through the Alsatian dog. So
Speaker 1: that was interesting to me and again.
Speaker 2: Interesting I think the mad scientist of the occult rejects
Speaker 2: here Lisa Is, proposed a similar hypothesis regarding these are
Speaker 2: some of them there were some level of something blood
Speaker 2: with how they get connected to folks, but there were
Speaker 2: some some function with dogs at their high they had
Speaker 2: higher concentration of some chemical release in the bonding. I
Speaker 2: think she she she had a very I'm doing a
Speaker 2: horrible job. She had a very scientific explanation for these things.
Speaker 2: So sounds very I think. I think that is. I
Speaker 2: think what you're saying is kind of in that line
Speaker 2: with that as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. And uh, I remember that Mary
Speaker 1: Terry brought up the Stanley Baker, right, the cannibal who who?
Speaker 1: That always blew me away because this was all in
Speaker 1: kind of context. The context was describing these these further
Speaker 1: underground chapters that of the process and spin off groups
Speaker 1: that were kind of using other names at the time,
Speaker 1: but were being well established and in all throughout California
Speaker 1: very basically and and and they were finding basically, these
Speaker 1: are authorities began to find all of these mutilated and
Speaker 1: decapitated or exsanguinated dogs is what was being discovered, and so.
Speaker 2: Al you know, I always challenged folks who question these things.
Speaker 2: I'm like, just go on, look at newspaper searches specifically
Speaker 2: for Putnam in Westchester County in the seventies. You're gonna
Speaker 2: find an inordinate, just a wild amount of you know,
Speaker 2: forty dead German shepherds found at one time. I think
Speaker 2: it is one newspaper article, right, one, like, you know,
Speaker 2: the remains of forty dead German shepherds, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And that's what really was so crazy about
Speaker 1: Detective Rothstein being tipped off by his CI, by his
Speaker 1: criminal informant at the time, because he shows up in
Speaker 1: Untermeyer and he just discovers this mass grave of German
Speaker 1: shepherd dogs and instantly I believe there was a there
Speaker 1: was a building that was affiliated with the process, the
Speaker 1: local chapter, that was very near that area where he
Speaker 1: discovered that mass grave of German shepherds that were near
Speaker 1: the area of the Devil's Cave, which made a lot
Speaker 1: of sense, especially because out of the car household, it
Speaker 1: did seem like there was some sort of intelligence operation
Speaker 1: being conducted through through the car household that that were
Speaker 1: connected to you know, John Carr and and they were
Speaker 1: all connected into the Magical Child Book Bookshop or whatever
Speaker 1: it was called that that John Markham was a part of.
Speaker 1: I think at a certain level if I remember, he
Speaker 1: was actually a part of that business that was being
Speaker 1: ran through that bookshop, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because Burka Witz identify as Herman Slater or
Speaker 2: the owner of that bookshop, as a member of the
Speaker 2: process and the children offshoot of the process. And you know,
Speaker 2: Maury Terry would famously go on TV, you know, debating
Speaker 2: Herman Slator numbers. You know, Mary Poevitch kind of shows
Speaker 2: their in early nineties. You know, Herman Slator was like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's all satanic panic. Well, now you can see why
Speaker 2: he's saying it's all satanic panic. And I wonder, if
Speaker 2: you know, I wonder at what point in time Maury
Speaker 2: was like, what the fuck? I knew that asshole was
Speaker 2: a member of the cult. But you know, before we
Speaker 2: got back to Mark kam here in the eighties and
Speaker 2: the McDonald case and Gunderson. While we're on the Atlanta
Speaker 2: child killing stuff, you know, uh well, and also on
Speaker 2: the on the cars, you know, Dana uh Rodning Jules
Speaker 2: has done his great job at documenting the scientology connections,
Speaker 2: not just Michael with the cars and asking, you know,
Speaker 2: bringing up some legitimate questions around some of those some
Speaker 2: of those activities there with the the the Answering Service,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 1: Book. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And in regards to Atlanta, are you familiar this is
Speaker 2: actually from her way back machine files. She's got less
Speaker 2: than our link tree. Have you familiar with this report
Speaker 2: from the Kelly Private Detective Company. I'll make it bigger
Speaker 2: in regards to the Atlanta and the comparisons of the
Speaker 2: Atlanta child killings and the Son of Sam murders, since
Speaker 2: we were talking about both.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen this blung this up.
Speaker 2: It's called that, isn't it. It's called the U. Let
Speaker 2: me see I get a bigger Here we go the g.
Speaker 2: Kelly and this is the cover letter for the report.
Speaker 2: We'll go over some of the details. This is the
Speaker 2: March of nineteen eighty two. So this is like right
Speaker 2: at the end of the Atlanta child killings, right, what
Speaker 2: was the what was the dates?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that is exactly the dates. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: if you as far as it was seventy nine to
Speaker 1: eighty one. So yeah, that's that's perfect timing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So apparently this g Kellan Associates. It
Speaker 1: is a big kind of a corporate kind of PI
Speaker 1: firm situation. I used to run a PI firm, but
Speaker 1: it was just makes it's nothing comparatively speaking, but in
Speaker 1: close please find an addendum to our original report on
Speaker 1: the Atlanta child murders. Our office is constantly receiving and
Speaker 1: developing new information relating to all aspects of this case,
Speaker 1: including videotapes which will be of interest to you.
Speaker 2: So apparently they were hired to, you know, to investigate
Speaker 2: the Alan child mergers. And again this is a firm
Speaker 2: out of Kingston, New York, so you got in again.
Speaker 2: They were in their report they compare the it's on
Speaker 2: the same end Atlanta child mergers. I'm sure Mary Terry
Speaker 2: was connected with these folks contemporary to this time. But
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like it's new information for many people,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no doubt. And when you consider the
Speaker 1: fact that you have that the Satanic cult connection to
Speaker 1: the process came up with Shirley McGill, that was the
Speaker 1: the interesting tie in vehicle. Shirley McGill, she's a Miami
Speaker 1: drug informant, criminal informant. She is the one who basically
Speaker 1: claims that there is this through Parnell Trey him is
Speaker 1: essentially she had a boyfriend who was tied into not
Speaker 1: only was he abducting children and kidnapping children for the
Speaker 1: local chapter of the Process and tied into the Wayne
Speaker 1: Williams network, which all of this.
Speaker 2: Which is really just Michael theevis right.
Speaker 1: Exactly, which is really just Don David Norman's Odyssey Foundation
Speaker 1: in many ways as well, because that was a huge
Speaker 1: facet of kind of I think that's a massive tie
Speaker 1: in to the pedophile underworld kind of linking John Wayne
Speaker 1: Gacy pill Phil Paski, who very much yeah, who knew.
Speaker 2: As Brown Jim Rawstein's source that took him to enter
Speaker 2: Meyer Park.
Speaker 1: Brother Paul Banassi from the Franklin Scandal claims that John
Speaker 1: Wayne Gacy and Phil Paski were entirely implicated in the
Speaker 1: abduction of Johnny Gosh, which ties in obviously Jacob Wetterling
Speaker 1: all these paper boy the paper boy fetish that was
Speaker 1: apparently this was so the paper boy fetish I forgot.
Speaker 2: That would not surprise me. If the network of these
Speaker 2: folks is really that small, people are like, oh, those
Speaker 2: are household serial killer names. There's no way they're all involved.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but that's why their household serial killer names.
Speaker 2: You can sell all the actual narratives to what's going
Speaker 2: on here right there next next to former magician there,
Speaker 2: he would think would agree with Probably that's all part
Speaker 2: of the magic show right now on this false narrative, right,
Speaker 2: real details, real people, false narrative surrounding it to packaging
Speaker 2: improperly so you'll never understand.
Speaker 3: That's what I think. Besides the legal stuff that the
Speaker 3: Process Church is doing, I think the occult side of
Speaker 3: that is also helping sell a different image to the
Speaker 3: public of what's really going on for that love magicians do.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I've seen many different claims. Now, I do
Speaker 1: believe that there's obviously, uh you know, a major at
Speaker 1: least there is definitely a group of individuals involved and
Speaker 1: faffiliated with the cult networks that that obviously believe this
Speaker 1: ideology and practice this philosophy and truly genuinely authentically or
Speaker 1: are pursuing, you know, these principles, but these occult principles.
Speaker 1: But I also definitely believe that there's an aspect of
Speaker 1: this that is that is provided for deliberate deception that
Speaker 1: is attempted to kind of throw the average individual and
Speaker 1: the public the the you know, the just as far
Speaker 1: as the uh, the mass public is concerned. The general public,
Speaker 1: you know, they will view this miss it at face
Speaker 1: value because it seems so extraordinary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I think they're so good at
Speaker 3: it now that they make money off of the bullshit
Speaker 3: story that they're even selling to the public.
Speaker 2: For sure. Oh yeah, Nix's done a good job at tracking.
Speaker 2: That's he's on the something of that for sure. And
Speaker 2: it makes sense because that is, that is my opinion
Speaker 2: how the process functions economically speaking, And you know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to I don't want to go on a
Speaker 2: weird economic tangent here for everyone else's it's fucking boring.
Speaker 2: But listen to my esso terrapor of the film and
Speaker 2: Hair Advice, and I describe how the film and hair
Speaker 2: advice is describing the process and the economic ass I love.
Speaker 1: Inherent avice actually like the Paul Thomas Anderson is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite directors of all time. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: at all, you know, kind of like giving a character
Speaker 1: analysis of who I think he might potentially be as
Speaker 1: an individual, But I do think that his art work, like.
Speaker 2: I need my approach is that in way like I
Speaker 2: like to watch Tom Cruise play. It's all man who
Speaker 2: knows how to fight on right. He's often.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh dude, Magnolia. That's one of my favorite all
Speaker 1: time roles of Tom Cruise. He's just giving seminars on
Speaker 1: how to be the most the drimp piece of ship
Speaker 1: mail that you can possibly attempt to be combat to
Speaker 1: the point where they make this.
Speaker 2: A utilitarian literal you know, literal term of the process
Speaker 2: is utilitarian speaking, and they don't. There's not a portion
Speaker 2: of the hog that's not unused. They use all of
Speaker 2: the hog. That's how That's how I say it. So Yeah,
Speaker 2: for example, with the phone and mar advice, you see them.
Speaker 2: The same cult that's bringing that has infiltrated the political
Speaker 2: and law enforcement aspects of Los Angeles has now also imported.
Speaker 2: All this heroin has now instituted the whole system in
Speaker 2: which you'll get hooked on the drugs, you'll go to
Speaker 2: the rehab, will fix your teeth once all the calcium
Speaker 2: you know, gets you know, sucked out like a vampire
Speaker 2: from the heroin, right, and then they'll repeat the whole
Speaker 2: process again, the literal process, right, And that is the
Speaker 2: goal that they described. So Paul Thomas Anderson wrote that
Speaker 2: Thomas Penner filmed director screenplay. Thomas Pinchin wrote it, pardon me,
Speaker 2: not contemporary to the Manson Family murders, but he lived
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles at that time during the Mainson Family
Speaker 2: murders and subsequent trials. So and if you notice in there,
Speaker 2: he embeds so much Manson lore and other things in there,
Speaker 2: and they're always referencing the Manson family various times. So
Speaker 2: what I think again is the esotary understanding of that
Speaker 2: is he's describing the process to folks and how it
Speaker 2: really works. That's the mob, it's the cops, it's the politicians, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And it's the economic he's
Speaker 2: describing the economy aspects of it, right, right.
Speaker 1: Dude, That sequence of Martin short as the dentist as
Speaker 1: the dentist and he goes into the then they get
Speaker 1: pulled over by the cops. It's one of the funniest
Speaker 1: scenes honestly that I can remember.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, that movie is so brilliant. I'm so glad.
Speaker 2: I'm still glad to know you've seen that you enjoy it,
Speaker 2: because I've only ever met one other person and that's right,
Speaker 2: the person you got compared to at the beginning of
Speaker 2: this here at tonight's show alsin Recluse, mister steven Snyder.
Speaker 2: He also shares an affinity of this film and that,
Speaker 2: in fact, that's who I've done the review with.
Speaker 1: Wow, man, that's amazing. I didn't even realize, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a fascinating film, and I for some reason
Speaker 1: I was it was very appealing to me from the
Speaker 1: first moment I ever even but without any real context,
Speaker 1: it was blowing my mind. And just that I had
Speaker 1: a very high appreciation for the comedic value of it
Speaker 1: as well, because honestly, it is very funny.
Speaker 2: But it's one of it's literally my I mean, what
Speaker 2: you're saying is it's just it's music, myers. It's literally
Speaker 2: the same thing I think about the film, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people ship on the film like it's it's
Speaker 2: my favorite, it's positively my favorite movie. You really exactly
Speaker 2: from I guess. I was a former After I retired
Speaker 2: from the Air Force, I ran a private textive agency
Speaker 2: for for four years. And you know, I, you know
Speaker 2: so a very like I said, at a very like
Speaker 2: molecular level of my DNA, like you know, a pot
Speaker 2: smoking p I detectively like, of course I'm gonna enjoy
Speaker 2: that film. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Right exactly? The fog, the fog sequence with On Wilson,
Speaker 1: and it's like.
Speaker 2: The whole Yeah, it's a brilliant movie. Dude made movie.
Speaker 2: So what you're as we're on the subject. So you
Speaker 2: see Wilson in this kind of co intel pro situation, right,
Speaker 2: he's a Laurel Canyon musician who faked his death. And
Speaker 2: you know he was a surf sax player, but he
Speaker 2: was still a Oral Canyon musician who fakes his death.
Speaker 2: And he's he's infiltrating the scene through four to at
Speaker 2: least I think they show you three in the film
Speaker 2: and four in the book, four different identities working for
Speaker 2: the cops, working for the Colt, working for Hill, working
Speaker 2: working for everybody. Right, he's got a different idea, you know.
Speaker 2: And then the only person really knows the inside track
Speaker 2: is just this weird, you know, random girl. Right, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't think about having your knowledge, right, But she has
Speaker 2: the whole picture. You know. That's the main character's girlfriend, right,
Speaker 2: And she's of clearly they don't describe it, but she's
Speaker 2: with her name, she's clearly of some sort of wealthy family. Right,
Speaker 2: she's blue blood Leney is with her name. Right. So
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff really embedded in that in
Speaker 2: that film. But if you say, if you see him
Speaker 2: as the Cohen Telpro guy, right, which is how you
Speaker 2: know that's what's going on with Wilson, Then you look
Speaker 2: at Doxportello, Right, he's a private detective operating out of
Speaker 2: a free clinic. Right, it's Los Angeles, but operating of
Speaker 2: a free clinic where he has his office.
Speaker 1: Right, So he's he's clearly Operation Chaos with the CIA.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, yeah. And then Josh Brolin's character as well,
Speaker 1: which is just.
Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite I'm a big Brolin fans
Speaker 2: and scoonies, but that's one of my bro Let's I mean,
Speaker 2: he absolutely kills it. Not seeing this film at all,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's ah, it is. It is obviously not
Speaker 2: designed actually to be a comedy, but was also point
Speaker 2: out it's it's quite. It's quite comedic very much.
Speaker 1: So it's it is. And it also provides a window
Speaker 1: into how clandestine operations work domestically and how they kind
Speaker 1: of utilize these assets put them into position, you know,
Speaker 1: once again, kind of the deliberate deception you see Owen
Speaker 1: Wilson's character showing up these politically televised events and causing
Speaker 1: this this right as if he's the face of political
Speaker 1: dissent in this in this very fashion, and it's obviously
Speaker 1: an entirely staged event, and and he himself is absolutely
Speaker 1: uh you know, compromised and in a part of of
Speaker 1: the performance, and and that in itself. I would like
Speaker 1: to ask you guys, because I think you're both probably
Speaker 1: very much kind of like attuned to this level of
Speaker 1: of just the way we should kind of engage with
Speaker 1: with reality itself, which is, what are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: this sort of intersection that I always seem to find
Speaker 1: myself at, where where it's like the intersection of culture creation,
Speaker 1: social engineering, COVID intelligence, clandestine clandestine occult ideologies that are
Speaker 1: clearly attempting to stay below the surface of public you know, awareness,
Speaker 1: and then this strange like you have the intelligence operations
Speaker 1: kind of utilizing this esoteric occult doctrine and these ideologies
Speaker 1: again essentially subconsciously initiating people using various methods of deception.
Speaker 1: And that is where YEA, whenever you even.
Speaker 2: See like that's a great question, I know that's something
Speaker 2: that can I certainly discussion. I apologize to go ahead
Speaker 2: of saying we definitely talk about these subjects for sure.
Speaker 3: Right whenever you see like institutions play is that unknown
Speaker 3: for like you know, putting shit out there, there's always
Speaker 3: like an occultists like involved. There's always like a government,
Speaker 3: you know, a person attached to it. And then and
Speaker 3: then like the thing is, you know, some some things
Speaker 3: I do wonder about, Like I even wonder with like
Speaker 3: especially with like the process, I do wonder like it's
Speaker 3: like some of these like a lot of times you
Speaker 3: also see like these things that they're doing on the
Speaker 3: side that's like making money illegally, Like are these like
Speaker 3: things that you're even doing to fund what you're doing
Speaker 3: even though like I'm sure the government is a CIA
Speaker 3: is someone's ready fucking funding it, you know. I just
Speaker 3: I just find that weird that you always find these
Speaker 3: offshoots of like them somehow making illegal money too. It's
Speaker 3: very weird.
Speaker 2: That's a great point that it's kind of down as
Speaker 2: money laundering Iran contra operations to go with these matters,
Speaker 2: and what I would again assert is kind of going
Speaker 2: on with the Idaho contrace situations. But you know, when
Speaker 2: I say we talked about these things offline, I mean
Speaker 2: like literally like an hour, like two hours before the
Speaker 2: show started. Nick and I have a conversation literally talking
Speaker 2: about how there's always these occult magicians involved in all
Speaker 2: these spook operas. They're the ones that are selling you
Speaker 2: the magician's distraction and packaging things in the way that
Speaker 2: the folks will never truly understand what really occurred there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, and and uh.
Speaker 2: Listen to that conversation. Also, is that why you asked
Speaker 2: that question? Literally like right now, literally like we talked
Speaker 2: it may not even two hours, maybe been an hour
Speaker 2: like that's literally.
Speaker 1: No, It's nice.
Speaker 2: It's nice to hear other folks reaching that kind of
Speaker 2: same conclusion. With things because so really, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean obviously, you know, even with the conspiracy culture, I
Speaker 2: don't think I think a lot of folks will chase
Speaker 2: the shiny objects, you know.
Speaker 1: And that is very yeah, I think that. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of it's something that's very refreshing to
Speaker 1: be able to have a conversation like this man, Like,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys very much, because this is why
Speaker 1: I started to talk to Yeah, I was so desperate
Speaker 1: to have worthwhile conversations that are passionately and objectively pursuing
Speaker 1: the truth, you know, like that's the ultimate objective. I
Speaker 1: just want to conceptually outline these things for myself to
Speaker 1: where at a fundamental level where I can kind of
Speaker 1: like engage with reality in a way where I feel
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's it makes as far as just
Speaker 1: I feel like it actually applies, you know. And and
Speaker 1: that's and it's not a part of the manufactured delusion, right,
Speaker 1: I want to opt out of that, and so that
Speaker 1: deception alone, you know, at every level I want to reject,
Speaker 1: you know. And so it's it's it's just again something
Speaker 1: that breeds new life into me every chance that I
Speaker 1: have to to have these conversations because it's like, man,
Speaker 1: I was spinning off the planet just alone, like trying
Speaker 1: to workshop these ideas and vomiting while vomiting the ideas
Speaker 1: onto my wife while I'm pacing in the front room.
Speaker 1: I like that. Basically that was my silent.
Speaker 2: I mean, what you're describing also is precisely why Nick
Speaker 2: and I even started this Friday show. Was you know again,
Speaker 2: because we don't have any really agenda or plans. We
Speaker 2: just see whatever the guests of whatever podcast host or
Speaker 2: content creator we're having on that week, whatever they're interested in,
Speaker 2: is usually where we kind of start off. But I
Speaker 2: mean we ventured into weird territories and we're saying, you know,
Speaker 2: largely where we were planning on the night because again,
Speaker 2: this is all very much within the same sphere of
Speaker 2: what we're talking about. That's a process term. If you
Speaker 2: read their incorporation documents, the spheres of those are that's
Speaker 2: their regions. But now it's great stuff. I mean, I
Speaker 2: appreciate That's why again, that's why I started a podcast
Speaker 2: as well. Back Actually, I just surpassed nine years despite
Speaker 2: you know, I had an intermission for like two years
Speaker 2: where I was only doing kind of guest appearances on
Speaker 2: shows like you mentioned William Ramsey. I've been a big
Speaker 2: fan of his work for many years and was a
Speaker 2: frequent contributor on there for many years. In fact, he's
Speaker 2: recently posted some of his old episodes where that two
Speaker 2: year hiatus, we did a whole series on sci fi
Speaker 2: and how that came from al Ron Hubbard's little crew,
Speaker 2: where they were all members of the Agape lot, the
Speaker 2: Parsons and Hubbard, and then they were all early scientologists. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did, strangely enough. I don't know Walliam heard my
Speaker 2: show last two weeks ago in Operation GCD, but I
Speaker 2: I did a continuation of that kind of conversation I
Speaker 2: started off with him a number of years back. But
Speaker 2: regarding the his DC and Marvel comics, the mcfan fiction
Speaker 2: and it all comes from the same science fiction club
Speaker 2: that presented all these ideas of space too. But they
Speaker 2: were all they were all Theelamites, and then they were
Speaker 2: all early scientologists folks, and seemingly a lot of them
Speaker 2: all kid diddlers, strangely enough, which again I think goes
Speaker 2: back to these kind of Crowley concepts, of which I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's all ritual magic. I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 2: there is a bit of that within their you know,
Speaker 2: their their thought process, that's part of their religion or
Speaker 2: I think you know.
Speaker 1: No doubt and and modern Babylon is how I see
Speaker 1: it in many ways, And you know, man, it's it's
Speaker 1: very disturbing once you kind of like realize the level
Speaker 1: of of sadism involved with a lot of this underground
Speaker 1: occultist Sure it's not even just the occultist framework. I
Speaker 1: kind of think once again, it's like you look at
Speaker 1: a Michael Lokino and the Mind War and the Psychology
Speaker 1: of Victory, and you're like, is it's is the Temple
Speaker 1: of Set just an intelligence cut out that to some extent.
Speaker 2: And parcel look go ahead, No, I was just saying,
Speaker 2: it's part and parcel. Right, it's the same, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I think a lot of times we get
Speaker 2: too wrapped up on these names when they say they're
Speaker 2: the Temple of Set, and like, well, I saw I
Speaker 2: look at things fundamentally speaking, like you know, garbage GCDs
Speaker 2: a garbage can dude. But you know, I also like
Speaker 2: to say it's the greatest common denominator because that's how
Speaker 2: I kind of look at all crime in general, but parapolitics,
Speaker 2: and you know, they're doing the same ship. It's the same.
Speaker 2: It's we're just now we're just you know, we're quabbling
Speaker 2: over terms that they're doing the same activities and that's
Speaker 2: the same business, right, And you can kind of demonstrate
Speaker 2: that more with a keyno and his his daughter and
Speaker 2: his son in law and they're you know, big in
Speaker 2: the at least the son in law seems to be
Speaker 2: big in the Neo A Process movement with his associations
Speaker 2: of Boyd Rice and veneration of Charles Manson. I know
Speaker 2: Dana over Rodney Jewels went deep on Nicholas s. Trek
Speaker 2: the other day. I didn't I didn't even get to
Speaker 2: finish all of it, but what what the parts that
Speaker 2: I did listen to and watched it was some fantastic stuff.
Speaker 2: And again, this is that's what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 2: that's a good example. This is part and parcel of
Speaker 2: the same business. Because he's he was he was Church
Speaker 2: of Satan and he was Temple said, and now he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm just doing my own thing and whatever.
Speaker 3: From my experience in the ot O, I think that
Speaker 3: there's a possibility that that CIA is some agency's involved
Speaker 3: in that.
Speaker 2: At this point, it's all the same stuff. So when
Speaker 2: we're and look at a keyno, so we're on a keno.
Speaker 2: You know, Nick, you've done a lot of work on
Speaker 2: Lansdale on your sh that was kind of the predecessor, right,
Speaker 2: and yeah it was.
Speaker 3: A keynote before ken Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that dude had people speaking of the magic. Right.
Speaker 2: Can you describe some of the Lansdale magic we're talking
Speaker 2: about with deceiving people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, well there's a few of them. One they
Speaker 3: were I don't know if it was helicopters of planes,
Speaker 3: they were flying those over like these uh these villagers'
Speaker 3: houses and they're like, you know, playing like all these
Speaker 3: like ghosts, sounds and all these like weird noises and
Speaker 3: basically telling them like if you kept on uh I
Speaker 3: think housing I don't know if they're called the Husks
Speaker 3: or something. There were these group of people that they
Speaker 3: were considered like communists, but a lot of people say
Speaker 3: they were just regular farmers money in their business, right
Speaker 3: yeah that uh yeah, yeah, yeah, that if they kept
Speaker 3: on housing them and protecting them, they were gonna get
Speaker 3: like haunted and then this and that all this fucked
Speaker 3: up ship was gonna happen. And then they hung like
Speaker 3: a few people like up in the jungle like upside
Speaker 3: down and bled them out and started like started a
Speaker 3: rumor saying that vampires did it because they were they were, like,
Speaker 3: you know, helping the people. They were painting stuff on
Speaker 3: people's houses and stuff. Yeah, that's fascin they're scared of
Speaker 3: the ship out of these people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: what it was. They used their own folklore against them,
Speaker 3: saying that like basically their own spiritual weird beliefs, like
Speaker 3: you know, we have all those like small little things
Speaker 3: like in certain towns and stuff. Uh, they're using that
Speaker 3: like against them to like make them feel bad for
Speaker 3: what they're doing. Of course it was fah.
Speaker 2: Idea, you did that, right, and added his whatever his
Speaker 2: weird Satanism stuff on top of that.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But then technically those guys learned from a fellow by
Speaker 2: the name of Paul line Barger. So during World War
Speaker 2: Two there's a guy who named Captain Paul line Barger.
Speaker 2: He wrote the US Army Manual on Psychological Warfare called
Speaker 2: the US Army Manual on psychological warfare, not a fancy title.
Speaker 2: He was college roommates with l Ron Hubbard. He was
Speaker 2: also labor later part of that same science fiction writers
Speaker 2: club under the name Cordwin or Smith. Right, so we're
Speaker 2: talking these matters of syops and hypnosis because the keynote
Speaker 2: loved hypnosis. They were talking about antiops. So we're talking
Speaker 2: about the same kind of things as far as these
Speaker 2: matters of deception, right.
Speaker 1: They here's of deception, my friend. That is all that
Speaker 1: I consistently witnessed as far as I'm concerned, knowing the
Speaker 1: fact that all of the flying Saucer mythology comes from
Speaker 1: essentially the the Agape Lodge in many ways, like it
Speaker 1: very much does. And that's fascinating me. Jack Parsons, cal
Speaker 1: Tech rocket pioneer, high priest of the OTO you know
Speaker 1: at the time and obviously until he had the falling
Speaker 1: out allegedly with Alistair Crowley, which how many of these
Speaker 1: falling outs are we intended to believe? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I don't know. I'm very much in
Speaker 1: question of this.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up. And and again, well
Speaker 2: I not. I don't hate to keep plugging my show.
Speaker 2: But I unpacked some of those false narratives around that
Speaker 2: whole agape Lodge, the interactions and dates around Hubbard and
Speaker 2: all these things last week on the show Operation GCD
Speaker 2: lot of the DC Marvel Comics, the Limit fan fiction,
Speaker 2: because you know, there's a lot of me said there
Speaker 2: wen't We don't still understand. Are you familiar with the
Speaker 2: name Frank Molina.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I am right.
Speaker 2: So then there's Parson's number two and that's Lane Maxwell's
Speaker 2: sister in law's father in law.
Speaker 1: Right, dude, it's never ending. And this is another reason why,
Speaker 1: like you looked at im Ran Contra, Iran Contra is
Speaker 1: really just kind of like a branch of this network.
Speaker 2: Like it truly.
Speaker 1: Is the window in network. It's fascinating exactly. Glayne Maxwell's sister.
Speaker 2: Oh no, for sure, let's let's put a pin in
Speaker 2: a keynot and four, Brad, because we're going to circle
Speaker 2: back there through Idaho Contrary here, So please, yeah, continue
Speaker 2: on that. I'm not trying to thought that this is.
Speaker 2: I know that I ran Contras and off shoot with
Speaker 2: the same activities because we see a focus of Mary
Speaker 2: Terry's Ultimate Evil Book as a fellow by the name
Speaker 2: of cocaine. Bob Evans not mine. I'm just wishes of
Speaker 2: the dead cocaine. Bob is Coollly a major figure in
Speaker 2: the process in Los Angeles right his business partner for
Speaker 2: the cocaine trafficking surrounding the murder of royd Raydon and
Speaker 2: known as the Cotton Club murders, was known as Laney
Speaker 2: Laney Jacobs, but her real name was Karen Greenberger. She
Speaker 2: was the wife of the Meddi he and cartels number
Speaker 2: one dude in America.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you kill him, you man, You're not familiar with
Speaker 5: this narrative, So I'm aware of so many of the
Speaker 5: other details, like like Bill Menzer Manson two being obviously
Speaker 5: is the hit man for Roy Raiden and and and
Speaker 5: very important factor.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm working for what Larry Fink or not Larry.
Speaker 2: Fink, Larry Flint, Larry Flynn. Yeah yeah, I unpack all
Speaker 2: these details. Folks can understand that the storyline that also
Speaker 2: is describing in the film Dragnet, the nineteen eighty seven
Speaker 2: comedy masterpiece Dragnant during dan Akroyd and Tom Hanks, these
Speaker 2: these details they literally have essentially Bill Menzer in the film,
Speaker 2: He's uh played by Jacko Hallerhan, Dude, that is so crazy.
Speaker 1: You know that uh Arles Perry right, the Arlest Perry
Speaker 1: murder that happened on on Berkeley campus, right in in
Speaker 1: the uh uh uc Berkeley's chapel, right where she's ritual
Speaker 1: basically murdered. There's like a candle inserted into a vagina
Speaker 1: and like the an ice pick on the back, I believe,
Speaker 1: And then she she was spread out in a specific
Speaker 1: way where she was basically a symbol and a cult.
Speaker 1: It was wasn't a neo pagan symbol like the Delphi murders,
Speaker 1: but it was very similar. And uh and and knowing
Speaker 1: the security guard right who did the rounds, Stephen Crawford,
Speaker 1: he seems to be a somewhat indicated or implicated as
Speaker 1: far as being at the very least he had Mary
Speaker 1: Terry's book opened up on his on a desk when
Speaker 1: when the authorities came what thirty years later to attempt
Speaker 1: to follow up with him as a key suspect, and
Speaker 1: when they're at his door, which to me seems like
Speaker 1: very much a convenient manufactured mythological tool to facilitate the
Speaker 1: cover up, because I kind of feel like.
Speaker 2: Maybe they don't talk too is exactly an area that
Speaker 2: did not want that fellow talking exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I view as that is the potential reality there.
Speaker 1: But you look even further into right, Bruce Perry was
Speaker 1: Arles Perry's husband at the time. She's nineteen, right, I
Speaker 1: think she's very young and uh, and he's very young
Speaker 1: as well. He's covered in blood. When the authorities find him,
Speaker 1: he claims he had a nose bleed, and it turns
Speaker 1: out Bruce Perry later on, Yeah, that's William Menser, right.
Speaker 2: I luck finding photographs of him, not from the newspaper
Speaker 2: and not from his one mug shop from two thousand
Speaker 2: they don't have. You can find his name in the
Speaker 2: prison system, him and Greenberger both, but they they ain't
Speaker 2: got no photos of either. It's been erased. You know
Speaker 2: what's crazy though, with the way he said poof, we
Speaker 2: don't need any more Bill Menser, we don't need you
Speaker 2: don't need to learn about these things.
Speaker 1: By the way he was he was tied into what
Speaker 1: it was either Magic Island or the Wonderland Club.
Speaker 2: I think it was the Magic Gastle I believe, or no,
Speaker 2: you're right now, magic Magic Onland. I think it was
Speaker 2: the Magic Island, the New Sport Place, right, Yeah, in
Speaker 2: Newport Beach.
Speaker 1: This was a network where they were they they were
Speaker 1: facilitating snuff films. Roy Raiden apparently he ordered uh specifically
Speaker 1: the Stacey Moskowitz I think was the one that of
Speaker 1: the Son and Son of Sam David Burkewitz murders. That
Speaker 1: was ordered by Roy Rayden for snuff film purposes. Which
Speaker 1: was why the van was stationed outside of the murder
Speaker 1: scene because they had a tripod in there and they
Speaker 1: were actually filming it for the enterprise. And that's another
Speaker 1: facet of this that again snuff films and urban myth,
Speaker 1: right were intended to believe that this is which is
Speaker 1: obviously at this point we all know that these these exist.
Speaker 1: And and beyond that, Man North Fox Island proved the
Speaker 1: Francis Sheldon network that you know, and and and John
Speaker 1: David Norman and the Odyssey Foundation they were running, you know,
Speaker 1: the advertising the Delta Project, which was just another name
Speaker 1: for the Odyssey Foundation, John David Norman's network of a
Speaker 1: abducting children and trafficking them for sexual abuse and ritualistic
Speaker 1: snuff murder and all of these various uh, more than
Speaker 1: that even you think about potentially organ harvesting, which is
Speaker 1: something that I think people need to understand. You know.
Speaker 2: There you go there, Oh hag aren't they exactly the
Speaker 2: whole concept?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And and so I think.
Speaker 2: You're spot on there. But if i'm if I may also,
Speaker 2: if I may just redirect you back to Los Angeles
Speaker 2: and the cocaine, the trafficking of cocaine around Bob Cocaine
Speaker 2: Evans and Karen Greenberger, who now Bob. Bob pleads the
Speaker 2: fifth and the grand jury testimony despite being the first
Speaker 2: witness called by the prosecution and under advisement of Robert Spirou.
Speaker 2: That is this murder of what rating occurs in eighty three, right,
Speaker 2: the trial. They don't get they don't get popped until
Speaker 2: eighty eight. Now, this this happens six months after somebody
Speaker 2: killed Karen Greenberger's husband, Larry Greenberger on their front on
Speaker 2: their portion ate cocachobe. Right, And that death occurs six
Speaker 2: months after Larry Greenberger is identified and the federal court
Speaker 2: case against Carlos Later, the co founder with you know
Speaker 2: of the Median cartel with Pablo Escobar. Carlos Later is
Speaker 2: the focus of the film Blow with Johnny Depp right now.
Speaker 1: He tiled that into Barry Seal and.
Speaker 2: The absolutely all ties in but absolutely so Bob's doing
Speaker 2: but cocaine. Bob is doing process activity in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: You know the murder wore reading right for this dude.
Speaker 2: Bill Metzer is the hit man, right and in prison
Speaker 2: the day right, Bob walks he pleased the fifth and
Speaker 2: he you know, he walked on cocaine trafficking, walks on
Speaker 2: murder stuff. All of his co you know, indicted conspirators,
Speaker 2: they all are when went to prison for life. Right.
Speaker 2: So this is a year after the release of Dragnets.
Speaker 2: So in the film Dragnet, that's Bill Metzer. Then you
Speaker 2: have Jacko Haller in here, right. They got him made
Speaker 2: up strikingly similar to Bill Metzer. Jacko Hallahan's character is
Speaker 2: the driver in Bodyguard for a Pornographer. Bill Mitzer was
Speaker 2: the driver in Bodyguard for a Pornographer.
Speaker 1: Yes, Ry Flint, Larry Flint.
Speaker 2: That is so crazy and it is alternated because when
Speaker 2: you were talking about Wayne Williams, his boss Michael thieves
Speaker 2: and whatnot, and fell a by the name of Mitch
Speaker 2: Warbell who kind of floats around that circle out there.
Speaker 1: He's everywhere else.
Speaker 2: Mitch Warbell's murdered in Los Angeles six months before Roy Raydon,
Speaker 2: apparently poisoned by Larry Flint's brother in law.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man like this, this is a network that, yes,
Speaker 1: it is far smaller in scope than I think people
Speaker 1: realize so far as the usual. And that is why
Speaker 1: you can kind of tie a direct line into all
Speaker 1: these various scandalous cases that occurred around a similar time
Speaker 1: in American history which very much seemed to spur a
Speaker 1: lot of the Satanic panic, alleged mass hysteria which was
Speaker 1: apparently unfounded, which obviously, in my mind was just a
Speaker 1: natural reaction to true instances and examples of ritual occult
Speaker 1: murder and satanic ritual abuse. You know that that has
Speaker 1: been proven to have existed, even looking at a at
Speaker 1: a Finder's cult connection. What the sacrifice of Henrietta and Igor,
Speaker 1: the goats that they were, that they sacrificed and had
Speaker 1: the children apparently one of the children cut out baby
Speaker 1: goats out of it, out of the live goat's womb.
Speaker 2: That's some trauma right there, right, that'll do some drama.
Speaker 3: I think that's all part of it has to be.
Speaker 2: You got you gotta have that trigger to induce the trauma, right.
Speaker 2: It happens in varying ways and capacities. Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 2: next to him's forcing folks to watch snuff films that
Speaker 2: induces the trauma there, So you need that triggering device.
Speaker 2: But you know, I like what we were saying. Also,
Speaker 2: I just want to see if I can go back
Speaker 2: here to I want to. I want I just want
Speaker 2: to hammer him that point that you you're already hitting on.
Speaker 2: I want to hear more of your thoughts on with this.
Speaker 2: I ran counter stuff because cocaine Bob's doing business with
Speaker 2: a median cartel around the Roy Raiden murder. But that
Speaker 2: does not really get that recognized, right. Karen Greenberger is
Speaker 2: the wife of the median cartel's number one dude. He's
Speaker 2: found out in later's court case he gets pop six
Speaker 2: months later. She's now the number one suspect in that murder.
Speaker 2: Why she wasn't then, I don't know. But she's questioned
Speaker 2: by police six months after that murder. She thinks that
Speaker 2: they're talking to her about her husband's murder, right when
Speaker 2: she's not thinking they're talking about Roy Radn's murder that
Speaker 2: occurred five years prior, right, Yeah, and all of these
Speaker 2: things are being prosecuted by a fellow by the name
Speaker 2: of damn it. I just forgot his name. Charles Manson's
Speaker 2: friend who solicited Charles Manson to get on the defense
Speaker 2: team back in the seventy two trial of the Manson family.
Speaker 2: He later became the District Attorney of Los Angeles. Not
Speaker 2: Boles No he worked, he know, he was not. He
Speaker 2: wasn't in the office there during Booblios's time. He was
Speaker 2: a defense attorney in the Manson trial. He was friends
Speaker 2: with Manson and asked Manson, sa hey give me on
Speaker 2: as one of the girl's defense attorneys. I think he
Speaker 2: was defending instead of me guessing. Let me just look
Speaker 2: it up. It's I get his name mixed up with
Speaker 2: that one serial killer from Philadelphia? Is it Ira Einhorn,
Speaker 2: Is it Ira Aker or something? Is Ira Reiner from
Speaker 2: rally District Attorney Ira Ryner. So he was one of
Speaker 2: Manson's personal friends. For you know, Manton had a litany
Speaker 2: of weird friends, right, I guess. But he was the
Speaker 2: Los Angeles City attorney from eighty one to eighty four
Speaker 2: in the district you gotta Electric District attorney from eighty
Speaker 2: four to ninety two. So let's let's play a trivia
Speaker 2: game here this late in the show. Here, Austin, keep
Speaker 2: everybody on our feet, including yourself. Can you name the weird,
Speaker 2: parapolitical and or satanic crimes that occurred in Los Angeles
Speaker 2: between the years of nineteen eighty four in nineteen eighty two? Man,
Speaker 2: I don't have to name them all, but let's just say,
Speaker 2: you know, take a couple of stabs. I bet you
Speaker 2: can any good.
Speaker 1: One finders Franklin McMartin.
Speaker 2: Right, No, specific yeah, specifically in Los Angeles County.
Speaker 1: So you got m martins in Los Angeles, Okay, McMartin.
Speaker 2: So yeah, under under under Charles Manson's friends. Uh, you
Speaker 2: know jurisdiction as the district attorney, right, you got mc martins.
Speaker 2: It gets prosecuted or does it? Right? Because you know.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I don't know.
Speaker 2: That was a big satanic panic. HBO made a movie.
Speaker 2: James Woods played in it. I think Oliver Stone directed it.
Speaker 2: They were like, hey, this is that that helped fuel
Speaker 2: the satanic panic.
Speaker 1: Now this big video was turn down. McMartin wasn't bullshit,
Speaker 1: was it though?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: No, not at all. Yeah, and I think that even
Speaker 1: having the obviously we had the seismic survey in the
Speaker 1: underground uh you know survey of the tunnels that were
Speaker 1: clearly filled in with with foreign dirt, you know, which
Speaker 1: which obviously they had had built in tunnels to the
Speaker 1: what what was described as the neighboring properties, where they
Speaker 1: would then utilize as far as like, yes, they had
Speaker 1: like a cult rituals underground, but for the vast majority
Speaker 1: of what they used the tunnels for was to take
Speaker 1: the children in in uh in real time, in in
Speaker 1: you know, daylight, right when they're supposed to be at
Speaker 1: the at the actual preschools. They would then kind of
Speaker 1: traffick them through the underground tunnels. They would pop up
Speaker 1: in a let's say, uh a near neighbor neighboring private residents.
Speaker 1: They would prop apparently there was a tunnel access to
Speaker 1: one of the garages where they would then be effectively
Speaker 1: trafficked through the the neighboring community. And that is essentially
Speaker 1: what had happened to a lot of the individual children
Speaker 1: witnesses who claimed that they had had definitely been trafficked
Speaker 1: at that time through neighboring garages, that that they had
Speaker 1: been apparently utilizing the tunnel system for so that makes sense,
Speaker 1: especially considering what was the name of the Manhattan Beach investigator,
Speaker 1: Paul Binham, I think was his name, And he basically
Speaker 1: went up there and to the men or to the yeah,
Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach mc martin preschool property and discovered all of
Speaker 1: these dead rabbit carcasses and dead turtles shells and all
Speaker 1: the y oh that had been essentially sacrificed, and and
Speaker 1: so he was just kind of corroborating a lot of
Speaker 1: that evidence. And then it turns out just before he's
Speaker 1: set to testify, he allegedly shoots himself or it commits suicide,
Speaker 1: and apparently his entire family and everyone close to him
Speaker 1: says that he had everything to live for, there was
Speaker 1: no reason for him to have done this. He just
Speaker 1: had a newborn baby. He was in every way, you know,
Speaker 1: attempting to become a father and very excited about this
Speaker 1: this prospect. And and Paul Bynum, it turns out that
Speaker 1: you know what was on the the the initial and
Speaker 1: and uh direct perpetrator's desk whenever they apprehended him and
Speaker 1: found his raided his residence. On his desk where the
Speaker 1: actual investigative files of a Paul Bynum who had been
Speaker 1: executed but obviously allegedly committed suicide, but was the key
Speaker 1: investigator who was going to testify and corroborate a lot
Speaker 1: of these child victims witnesses accounts. And so again he
Speaker 1: had claimed that he had had actually gone to the property,
Speaker 1: found the there were tunnel systems that had been filled
Speaker 1: in just recently, and that he had discovered actual carcasses
Speaker 1: of ritualistically murdered uh, you know, rabbits and turtles. And
Speaker 1: again he's discovered dead and uh and and there are
Speaker 1: many other deaths that are connected into McMartin that happened
Speaker 1: at that very time.
Speaker 2: So great, that was a great explanation. You know, you
Speaker 2: know where I learned about that McMartin stuff you just described.
Speaker 2: When I first learned about that stuff was on the
Speaker 2: Oppermen report about those tunnels and reports and everything else.
Speaker 2: So once again, not the report and the history of
Speaker 2: what Ed's brought to the table. So yeah, that's a
Speaker 2: you know, so like you're saying, a lot of that
Speaker 2: stuff is was we had the Montner's demonstible evidence produced
Speaker 2: some weird deaths, and yet you know, you had Hbos
Speaker 2: tell everybody, well, no, that's a that's a fake news,
Speaker 2: that's a change. What's everybody, Oliver Stones to everybody that
Speaker 2: didn't happen. Yeah, it was old satanic panic.
Speaker 1: Which Oliver Stone is such a strange suspect as far
Speaker 1: as like why you know, I understand like he doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like he's operating in good faith at every instance
Speaker 1: in my mind. And then just like researching about what
Speaker 1: he had said to Howard Hunt when he was talking
Speaker 1: to him about doing the Uh, I think it wasn't
Speaker 1: the the Nixon movie. I don't think it was. I
Speaker 1: think it was the JFK movie, but it might have
Speaker 1: been the next movie when he had Howard Hunt that
Speaker 1: he brought in personally and asked him how much would
Speaker 1: would I have to pay you for you to just
Speaker 1: tell me the whole story? You know? And and uh
Speaker 1: still I think that even even uh what's his name
Speaker 1: who played Jim Garrison and JFK? Kevin Uh, Kevin cos Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner. I heard by John Saint John Hunt, Who's
Speaker 1: who's Howard Hunt's son? I heard him say. Now, of
Speaker 1: course this is very much in my mind. Obviously it's
Speaker 1: a bias information that as far as how it's coming towards.
Speaker 1: But again, how would you approach the son of Howard Hunt.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean you would think you would
Speaker 1: would be at least somewhat respectful that if you're attempting
Speaker 1: to you know, kind of like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want a legitimate response, better be diplomatic about.
Speaker 1: It, exactly. And it seems like Kevin Costner was very
Speaker 1: much in his ego and also kind of like belittling
Speaker 1: Saint John Hunt and kind of like putting Howard Hunt
Speaker 1: in a really difficult position. So they kind of backed
Speaker 1: out of of of offering you know, kind of more
Speaker 1: of the details that they would have provided otherwise, which
Speaker 1: I found.
Speaker 2: But still he played He does play some weird roles,
Speaker 2: doesn't He does play some weird roles.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Steer us back to this. I ran contra business for
Speaker 2: brother Michael Loko coming out of there the McDonald murders. Right,
Speaker 2: we were talking about with the you know, the processing
Speaker 2: and seemingly processing Gunderson, you know, Alan Dershowitz and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, of course the process attorney himself, John Markham
Speaker 2: helping cover this on Tuesday. Weld's cousin Bill Will, the
Speaker 2: US attorney being involved in that mix, all these folks
Speaker 2: helping cover up that into this this kind of narrative,
Speaker 2: it seems right. Oh yeah, as Jeffrey McDonald's still sets
Speaker 2: alive and well green Beret doctor who again his professor's
Speaker 2: innocence from day one, gets prosecuted I think what seven
Speaker 2: years after the fact right down there Fort Bragg.
Speaker 1: And you know that was really a fertility death ritual
Speaker 1: in a way as well, right, It wasn't only their
Speaker 1: prioritizing and targeting him because he was willing to start.
Speaker 1: Basically he was described as a golden boy where he
Speaker 1: which is interesting by by even the military brass at
Speaker 1: the time, right, who were working at Fort Bragg, And
Speaker 1: it seems that he was he was moonlighting and working
Speaker 1: at another hospital. I forget how far away it was
Speaker 1: from Fort Bragg at the time.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was hard charging man. He had a
Speaker 2: lot of good things to said. The folks said about him,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And and I mean there were two heroin
Speaker 1: addicts who who brought in an individual who overdosed and
Speaker 1: to to that hospital, very hospital he was moonlighting at.
Speaker 1: And he had he had, you know, just kind of
Speaker 1: a status quo policy in place where if this, if
Speaker 1: this occurred, they would they would notify the authorities, the
Speaker 1: local authorities. And so this was a huge problem because
Speaker 1: the individuals who brought in this this guy who had
Speaker 1: overdosed were affiliated with the local narcotics distribution aspect of
Speaker 1: the covert operation being conducted Court brag at the time,
Speaker 1: which were connected to what was called the cadaver connection.
Speaker 1: And this was very interesting to me because I didn't
Speaker 1: realize until I had stumbled across Prince Beasley, this retired Fayetteville,
Speaker 1: North Carolina police detective officer who had a criminal informant
Speaker 1: by the name of Helena Stokely, and she was his informant,
Speaker 1: I believe, from like sixty eight to seventy two, and
Speaker 1: she tells him that basically the drugs, mainly heroin, were
Speaker 1: being smuggled into the US and the body cavities of
Speaker 1: these dead soldiers from Vietnam, these drugs were being brought
Speaker 1: into the country and US Army planes and UH and
Speaker 1: basically that there there was a way that they would
Speaker 1: uh the tags that were on these these coffins was
Speaker 1: how the you know, the the individuals would actually who
Speaker 1: were the assets that were operating this, you know, helping
Speaker 1: facilitate this this domestic drug smuggling operation. They would meet
Speaker 1: the coffins and and effectively they would know which one
Speaker 1: were actually holding the heroin that were coming out of
Speaker 1: what the Golden Triangle, but also Thailand I think at
Speaker 1: the time as well.
Speaker 2: And so you and I, if I may interject there, Alston,
Speaker 2: these these allegations around these same style of operations you're
Speaker 2: describing have been alleged around Minor Air Force Base and
Speaker 2: John Carr and that on the same situation, yep.
Speaker 1: Exact same thing. They said that, By the way, that's
Speaker 1: a crazy story because uh, I discovered that what's what's
Speaker 1: her name, Donna Laurier and Jody Valenti, uh the the
Speaker 1: the Bronx victims who were so one of the possible
Speaker 1: motives for for the argument, yeah, nice. One of the
Speaker 1: possible motives for the targeting of Donna Lauria and Jody
Speaker 1: validity in the Bronx and in seventy six was basically
Speaker 1: because Lauria was an ambulance technician who might have become
Speaker 1: aware of a drug ring involving the newgan Han Bank
Speaker 1: that imported Golden Triangle Heroin into the US.
Speaker 2: Are you serious? I swear to God so that I
Speaker 2: did not know that. I did not know that termination
Speaker 2: right and there and there we are back to Idaho,
Speaker 2: more drug trafficking, these processed satanic crimes right and around
Speaker 2: all of these, and then we're back to Ida. Had
Speaker 2: a newgan Hand Bank, aren't we? Because John Michael Hand
Speaker 2: green Beret, used to work for Lansdale and the was
Speaker 2: that the military assistance or whatever you component over there
Speaker 2: you're doing those operations Nick that you described. John Michael
Speaker 2: Hann was a major figure in those Lansdale operations you described,
Speaker 2: and then he would go.
Speaker 1: On to.
Speaker 2: What did you do? Started a bank, the newgan Hand Bank,
Speaker 2: isn't that right?
Speaker 1: Awesome? Yeah? Yeah, and uh and if you realize what was.
Speaker 2: What was the new Hand Bank and what happened to it?
Speaker 1: This is crazy. So in seventy three, Frank Nougan and
Speaker 1: this Australian lawyer and Michael Hand, who was a former
Speaker 1: CIA contract operative, they established the newgan Hand Bank. And
Speaker 1: this is just fascinating to me because the newgan Han
Speaker 1: Bank was involved in helping the CIA in covert arms deals,
Speaker 1: with contracts and contacts with Angola which again keep in
Speaker 1: mind Jonestown, Right, Dan Golan Rebels trained at the Jonestown site,
Speaker 1: which was a black site to begin with, to train
Speaker 1: up Thean Golan Rebels operations line. It's just ridiculous to me.
Speaker 1: And and so again we just have another perfect example
Speaker 1: of how Iran Contra was just a branch that the
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like a it just evolved. You know,
Speaker 1: it was already a playbook very much, you know, being utilized,
Speaker 1: and it effect actively evolved over time and became a
Speaker 1: Ran contra of course, but that was only a window
Speaker 1: into one of the scandals that it really was.
Speaker 2: Where you go, yeah, that we see it a rup
Speaker 2: to the surface and we call it an Iran conc
Speaker 2: where we think we understand it. But what a you're
Speaker 2: describing is we own a fucking clue because it's still
Speaker 2: going on today, right we were just so they element
Speaker 2: are describing Fort Bragg Special Forces money laundering, large scale
Speaker 2: drug trafficking, right, probably some gun trafficking, maybe some human
Speaker 2: stuff there in the mix. All of these things are
Speaker 2: surrounding these Idaho for murders that occurred on November thirteenth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. Right, Wow, they're all fraternity and sorority students,
Speaker 2: and there's the Greek cultures up there are long steeped
Speaker 2: in the large scale drug trafficking network. I would allege
Speaker 2: they were possibly laundering their money at a FTX owned
Speaker 2: a small rural bank where I got where they were
Speaker 2: washing the money cash for crypto, right, so he's San
Speaker 2: Bankmin Freed partnered up with a so San Bankman Free
Speaker 2: files bankruptcy on November eleventh.
Speaker 1: You mean did he sellmate?
Speaker 2: Well, you're sir, you're about to give me. You're about
Speaker 2: to get his loss in it. I will, I will
Speaker 2: go for another hour on these connections with Diddy. Sam
Speaker 2: Bankers created the same attorneys, you know, you know, the
Speaker 2: one of the lawyers prosecuting the case that used to
Speaker 2: work for the now University of Idaho president for this
Speaker 2: weird firm that was doing the merger between Bidan's and
Speaker 2: FTX that fell out on November ninth, And then on
Speaker 2: November eleventh, FTX files bankruptcy, emergency bankruptcy. The whole world
Speaker 2: finds out that they bought the small mural bank. Everyone
Speaker 2: loses their ship, you know, in any regulatory position. The
Speaker 2: bank sees six weeks later for money laundering. You know,
Speaker 2: his partner in that bank is a creepy French fella
Speaker 2: out of the Bahamas and a different bank. He's got
Speaker 2: direct connections back to b CCI and the Iran country.
Speaker 2: There you go, that's not the only Iran contra scandal
Speaker 2: connects to Idaho, though. I'll give you another one a second.
Speaker 2: So that creepy French fella also invented the cartoon inspector gadget.
Speaker 3: Wow, I keep I still think that. I still think that,
Speaker 3: Uh that's a that that inspected gadget might possibly be
Speaker 3: Uh who was that that MK ultra scientist got Leab?
Speaker 2: Oh? Oh really I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Gottlieb had a door named Penny anything, they called.
Speaker 1: Him what the Black Sorcerer or something. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing is he he was making gadgets before
Speaker 3: he started making those cocktails that was like supposedly gonna
Speaker 3: kill someone because they smoked a cigar or got fucking
Speaker 3: jabbed in the ass with Yeah, Like he was making
Speaker 3: all like these like there was basically almost like ship
Speaker 3: from uh that double seven? What was mission impossible? With
Speaker 3: all these fucking crazy gadget shits. That's what that guy
Speaker 3: was doing. And he and he had I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: he had a door named Penny, but like inspect the gadget,
Speaker 3: I think that's his niece.
Speaker 2: Something that's interesting. So I've actually said, like I've actually wondered,
Speaker 2: what did this creepy French fella see or witness to
Speaker 2: develop this cartoon. And you're saying money and be based
Speaker 2: on City City.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was times. I remember it was a year
Speaker 3: or two ago when we brought up on the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 3: There was a couple of other things that tied to
Speaker 3: it because I did go down like a small rabbit
Speaker 3: hole when I caught like a one or two commonalities
Speaker 3: and I was like, I think there's something here. I
Speaker 3: think I was when I was did at dam k
Speaker 3: Elcha series with Thrash. There is like one or two
Speaker 3: other things that doesn't make it like really like that
Speaker 3: might be is it's.
Speaker 2: It is interesting. I have to unpack that in the
Speaker 2: future show here.
Speaker 3: Nick, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do like.
Speaker 2: This idea around this creepy French game. Soon oh they're
Speaker 2: involved in money lunery that stuffsman season. No one's really
Speaker 2: gone to jail though, So then you have the University
Speaker 2: of Idaho president. He was no for no reason to
Speaker 2: they hire this guy properly, like he has no background
Speaker 2: to be there other than being a graduates. He was.
Speaker 2: He was a business fellow, largely in banking. He was
Speaker 2: running the second largest corporate law firm. They're largely involved
Speaker 2: in regulatory things within the US government surrounding crypto. So
Speaker 2: he leaves that company in twenty nineteen takes the University
Speaker 2: of Idaho president job. I think eighteen or twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: It's the same time that Sam bankin Freed and the
Speaker 2: creepy French fellow are paying off the state regulators in
Speaker 2: Washington State to change he's a law so that a
Speaker 2: crypto in banking can be under the same roof mind you,
Speaker 2: mind you. That's still against a FDIC regulations. But that
Speaker 2: didn't stop right in the larger outlook, it seems like
Speaker 2: a like a operation was unfolding this dude movement in
Speaker 2: that position, et cetera, because it's that law firm that's
Speaker 2: managing the merger between Binance and FDx that falls out
Speaker 2: on November ninth for the emergency bankruptcy. So they play
Speaker 2: an important role. Even though that the president had left
Speaker 2: the firm already. Now he gets to the University of
Speaker 2: Idaho and has the bright decision I'm gonna go procure
Speaker 2: the University of Phoenix, saying you're from here. With the
Speaker 2: University of Phoenix, there's not really any infrastructure. It's basically
Speaker 2: just an idea and a lot of presumably probably money laundering.
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm a Phoenix proud I have my
Speaker 2: undergrad and grad from the University of Phoenix because it
Speaker 2: was on every air for military installation and that's you know,
Speaker 2: they kind of you know, it's right available to you,
Speaker 2: and you know you don't pay anything, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, So you know, it's it's very much push
Speaker 2: through that regard. That's what I'm saying. Like they're getting
Speaker 2: a lot of federal money. I am the wonder there's
Speaker 2: some sort of like money launtering mechanism there. But he
Speaker 2: solicits and you're you're going to recognize this name from
Speaker 2: my Ran Contra and and probably Jeffrey Epstein, Leon Black
Speaker 2: and is Apollo Global Management firm to finance this deal.
Speaker 2: He goes to the business Black.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I didn't realize this. Now I knew he
Speaker 1: had a connection directly to the Cia through like his
Speaker 1: his kind of molding process where he was like basically
Speaker 1: brought under the wing of during his his schooling and
Speaker 1: when whenever.
Speaker 2: You're talking about Sam Banker Freed, yes, PF Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you are Leon Black the real quick He's no, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm familiar. Yeah, absolutely, He's directly involved in Iran contra
Speaker 2: and is deeply involved at least two hundred million dollars
Speaker 2: in avoiding charges thus far. But yeah, SPF, SPF is
Speaker 2: actually works for that, so you're familiar with some of
Speaker 2: his background. He's got a weird background.
Speaker 1: Right, the Stanford parents and very strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's actually working at a small Wall Street firm
Speaker 2: where he he's on record for losing the most amount
Speaker 2: of money in that firm's history, along with one of
Speaker 2: the with one of the major figures in the Zizzy
Speaker 2: and get thecalypse Vegan Silicon Valley based rationalists.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I gotta look at that. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't yet. And all I keep hearing is about
Speaker 1: the Zizzy and.
Speaker 3: I'm not even I'm not even trying to break. You
Speaker 3: gotta listen to the one that we know.
Speaker 2: I'm you got to listen to the shows we've done,
Speaker 2: ye switch deeper than what you'll find a regular YouTuber,
Speaker 2: even making the Mad Scientists went deep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those those kids. It's another one to get it.
Speaker 3: Not to get too much with the true crime stuff,
Speaker 3: but it's just another one with why is NASA popping.
Speaker 2: The funk up? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Man, why is NASA keep popping up with all these
Speaker 3: weird true crime tales? Now there's always like someone associated
Speaker 3: with NASA showing up.
Speaker 2: The jeopardpol was was as far as like there you
Speaker 2: go from the from the onset with this, the le
Speaker 2: were right with part.
Speaker 1: Of the magic exactly. I think what was it? Jack
Speaker 1: Parsons was affiliated with this JPL property in in Florida
Speaker 1: in the Everglades, and that came up on Python Cowboy
Speaker 1: went on Joe Rogan and I discovered this like a
Speaker 1: while back, a couple of years ago, because it sounded
Speaker 1: very interesting to me. And I don't usually even listen
Speaker 1: to Rogan anymore, but occasionally I would catch an episode
Speaker 1: and I caught this one, and I discovered that he
Speaker 1: was out there as a conservationist attempting to wrangle these
Speaker 1: pythons and was basically granted access onto an old government
Speaker 1: black site, and so this was effectively a JPL a
Speaker 1: jet proportion laboratory property that was that was in this
Speaker 1: area of the Florida Everglades where he was hunting these
Speaker 1: pythons with a couple of his buddies on his team,
Speaker 1: and they go into this area and they just they
Speaker 1: discovered this property that seemed to have been abandoned, but
Speaker 1: very much so. Obviously there were people who were actively
Speaker 1: apparently uh at least gathering at this area for some
Speaker 1: sort of occult reason. And this is interesting to me
Speaker 1: because he finds, like to begin with, he finds this
Speaker 1: strange uh baby doll uh and and there's like this
Speaker 1: what looks like blood that's kind of like in symbols
Speaker 1: and also like leading to a direction into the complex
Speaker 1: of the property itself. And he discovers this this baby
Speaker 1: doll that has one eye missing.
Speaker 2: I think it was the left eye. Where was this this? Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you recall, like, did you have a name? Maybe
Speaker 2: let me pull.
Speaker 1: Up, because again it's like a black site with Florida Everglades.
Speaker 2: When they're starting to talk black slits in everylades, you're
Speaker 2: starting to sound like a lot like Wayne Williams stories
Speaker 2: and Patrick Imming you, Lucas.
Speaker 1: Who's who's saying that, Lucas, Yeah, he's he's saying that
Speaker 1: we were trained in the art of kidnapping and and
Speaker 1: ritualistic murder and and how to properly abduct children and
Speaker 1: and and that was all at black sites in in
Speaker 1: Mississippi and Indiana where basically they were they were they
Speaker 1: were granted actually they apparently they were all tipped off
Speaker 1: whenever military flyovers would happen as well, and and so
Speaker 1: they would effectively be able to cover their tracks from
Speaker 1: from any aerial viewpoint whatsoever to to consistently utilize the
Speaker 1: black site, which that makes sense in terms of how
Speaker 1: the uh, you know, David Ferry and the you know,
Speaker 1: the Louisiana CAP, right, the Civil Air Patrol were operating
Speaker 1: at the time, because even those children, he was using
Speaker 1: sophisticated mind control techniques on those children in the in
Speaker 1: the cap hypnosis. He was hypnotizing them and then people
Speaker 1: as well, which I didn't realize, but.
Speaker 2: That goes at in handle done that every time I
Speaker 2: feel like, right, it's always some weird sexual deal and stuff.
Speaker 2: So if folks want to write off hypnosis, and I
Speaker 2: was telling I was telling Nick this story earlier about
Speaker 2: hypnosis and uh, the actor Danny Trejo folksing you on YouTube, all,
Speaker 2: uh pull up a link and put it in the
Speaker 2: show notes. Danny Treo was describing the time that he
Speaker 2: ran he met Charles Manson in the La County lock
Speaker 2: up and that they were all strung out and needed
Speaker 2: some dope. Weeral dope eds and Manson is like, man,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh it's cool, take carry all, hypnotize you
Speaker 2: and you don't feel like you were on dope. And
Speaker 2: it worked.
Speaker 1: He said, Man, what did he say about Manson? He said,
Speaker 1: if if in another life, right, like he should become
Speaker 1: a professional hypnotist because he missed his calling. Like that
Speaker 1: was basically what he said about Charles Manson, because he was,
Speaker 1: like I.
Speaker 2: Was describing as like a five tool athlete. These there
Speaker 2: are prospects go. He did all the ocult stuff. He's
Speaker 2: doing the hypnotist stuff. You know what I mean. He's
Speaker 2: a charismatic fellow despite being a little fella. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean, he's you know, he got a lot done,
Speaker 2: all right, Manson.
Speaker 1: I found this story that that this Python cowboy told
Speaker 1: because it's it's fascinating. It's this abandoned aerow jet rocket
Speaker 1: test facility that he had discovered. Apparently he came across
Speaker 1: this one night in April of twenty nineteen, and this
Speaker 1: is deep within the Uh this he's chase.
Speaker 2: He's chasing these yes, yeah, we'll put on the screen here.
Speaker 2: Let folks check that out.
Speaker 1: He's chasing these basive python species. Yeah, exactly, And so
Speaker 1: this is so crazy.
Speaker 2: Look at this.
Speaker 1: First of all, this is what he stumbles upon and
Speaker 1: who knows, you know, the upside down crosses and red right.
Speaker 1: But so he basically says that he finds this abandoned
Speaker 1: arrow jet rocket test facility, and then essentially he discovers
Speaker 1: that an interesting snake still alive that is on this
Speaker 1: this baby doll. I need a picture of the baby
Speaker 1: doll because it's super creepy, man. But basically what he
Speaker 1: finds is this pile, you know, in a small scarlet
Speaker 1: snake wrapped around the neck of a baby doll, and
Speaker 1: it's bleeding from its anus and still alive, which he
Speaker 1: had never discovered once in his life, which in my
Speaker 1: mind seems like the scarlet snake that came up in
Speaker 1: the Mark de Troux affair where the in the context
Speaker 1: of the ex dossier. Oh jeez, chill out. In the
Speaker 1: context this.
Speaker 2: Is this was a part. This was a JPL property
Speaker 2: though at one point, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And had direct ties to Jack Parsons committing a cult
Speaker 1: rituals at the time, apparently whenever he was affiliated with
Speaker 1: this property. So I found that interesting because it clearly
Speaker 1: had direct uh you know, occult connotations to prior youths.
Speaker 2: Right, that's fact. That's super interesting. And you know, I'll
Speaker 2: push for folks the interwebs. I'll put a link in
Speaker 2: the show notes here, I'll get it from Austin here.
Speaker 2: But no, this is this is what I'm talking about. Man,
Speaker 2: there's so many more of these sites that were clearly
Speaker 2: being utilized. This is as larger as we're we're clearly
Speaker 2: laying out for folks. This is a much larger network
Speaker 2: than even some folks that cannspiracy cultures. I think you're
Speaker 2: willing to recognize. And if I may bring us, did
Speaker 2: you have any more points on this on this site?
Speaker 1: No, honestly, it's it's probably too long of a story
Speaker 1: to even cover, but it's very.
Speaker 2: I'd love to have you back on here in the
Speaker 2: future and operation the GC I don't want to speak
Speaker 2: for Nick, but maybe even the cult reachis.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was alreadything. Yeah, for sure, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of.
Speaker 2: Fu We can unpack some more of these ideas, but
Speaker 2: I'd like to try to close out some of the
Speaker 2: ones we've discussed tonight, if you don't mind bringing us
Speaker 2: in for a close. So when we're talking about these
Speaker 2: similarities between the the Atlanta Child, I'm sorry, Well, when
Speaker 2: we're talking about this realt home, one second, we're talking
Speaker 2: about Fort Bragg, drug trafficking, money laundering, the continuation, as
Speaker 2: you're saying, of Iran Contra, and is this is kind
Speaker 2: of a one component of it. And I was describing
Speaker 2: the drug trafficking, the money laundering that seemingly may have
Speaker 2: triggered those murders that happened within forty eight hours of
Speaker 2: everyone finding out about this money laundering bank and whatnot,
Speaker 2: and President's connections, the Iran Contra connections. Well, on top
Speaker 2: of that, you have the Moscow ped Moscow, Idaho. They said,
Speaker 2: you know what, this is the biggest crime in state's history,
Speaker 2: certainly the town's history most certainly, but the state as well.
Speaker 2: And you know what's uh, let's get the best man
Speaker 2: on the job. So they find the rookie cop and
Speaker 2: put him as the lead detective. So, and you may
Speaker 2: ask yourself, what what's his qualifications? Well, I'll tell you
Speaker 2: what his qualifications is. He was stationed at Fort Bragg
Speaker 2: as the paratrooper and then then went into the US
Speaker 2: Army Military Police and became an officer, where he exists
Speaker 2: today as a seemingly holding us up. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't I don't have his documents, but from my understanding
Speaker 2: for my time in the military, if you're an officer
Speaker 2: in the MPs, you have even in the Air Force,
Speaker 2: you have a top secret. So he seemingly they have
Speaker 2: gotten because I had that seek that clearance.
Speaker 1: Right, Do you mind if I run, go take a
Speaker 1: piss real quick and come back so I can form
Speaker 1: the rest of my thoughts in a coherent way without
Speaker 1: having to think about having to piss really bad.
Speaker 2: No, please, please do one. We'll bring it in for
Speaker 2: landing here when you when you.
Speaker 1: I'll be right back. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm dude, it's it's it's you know,
Speaker 2: I like to see some other you know, some other folks,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, coming to these Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: well developed and uh you know, thought out conclusions as
Speaker 2: he has around some of these subjects and the dynamics
Speaker 2: that the clearly in play. But you know, it seems
Speaker 2: because it just seems so obvious to me at this
Speaker 2: point looking at a lot of these factors that you know,
Speaker 2: like Austin saying that you know, I ran contrated in
Speaker 2: end and it's really just a component of what we're
Speaker 2: we're seeing here surrounding elements of the Idaho situation.
Speaker 3: Something that I've thought before with like the Masons. Just
Speaker 3: from seeing like different things popping up, stuff that I
Speaker 3: haven't even covered. Uh that I I'm starting to like
Speaker 3: maybe I guess entertain more like especially with the process
Speaker 3: and a few other I guess supposed occult organizations. Uh.
Speaker 3: I think it's almost like they're used as like they're
Speaker 3: so diverse to where it's like they have the street
Speaker 3: thugs to do, like the streets ship all the way
Speaker 3: all the way all the way up to the director
Speaker 3: of the narrative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're you're given your background, you probably familiar
Speaker 2: with the operation. You're where you came from in life.
Speaker 2: Then you know, being around Long Island and we're a
Speaker 2: large concentration of what cos and extra folks are from, right,
Speaker 2: Like you're probably familiar. That's how they operate, right, the
Speaker 2: what you're describing, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: A lot of the ways to get away with stuff
Speaker 3: is because well, I mean, you could just be a
Speaker 3: good manipulator, but I mean a lot of times it's
Speaker 3: like being out and plane, being out in plain sight,
Speaker 3: hitting in plain sight. There's a lot of that. But
Speaker 3: I and I do think that comes even from like
Speaker 3: you know, occultist in a sense, but no, I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, looking at like the processed Church, Freemason's uh
Speaker 3: and a few other organizations again, especially cults, I feel
Speaker 3: like you do have, like you will have all the
Speaker 3: way to the top of the person who's helping design
Speaker 3: the bullshit story, all the way down to like the
Speaker 3: dudes that are doing like the street you know, a
Speaker 3: legal crap move and this and that.
Speaker 2: You know, low level for sure.
Speaker 3: And then I think the reason why why those things
Speaker 3: are so great too is because you may not have
Speaker 3: any tie to this person except for that lodge of
Speaker 3: that organization.
Speaker 2: That's the best way to do it, right.
Speaker 3: Like, like how is that person even coming up in
Speaker 3: your life?
Speaker 2: Diffuse liability right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I
Speaker 2: totally agree with you. I think that is you know,
Speaker 2: that's how they operate. We're talking about kind of the
Speaker 2: you know, the general function of some of this stuff,
Speaker 2: comparatively speaking to like the mafia, right, they see these
Speaker 2: this cult network, you know, it's you know, I think
Speaker 2: we apply a lot of descriptions and name things, but
Speaker 2: we're really just talking about the same stuff. But I'm
Speaker 2: also I definitely appreciate your time here this evening. I'm
Speaker 2: appreciately joined us here, but I like, as we're bringing
Speaker 2: this in for Landy, I want to make sure I
Speaker 2: went back to here and get your next thoughts both
Speaker 2: on some of this comparative nature of this report from
Speaker 2: this private detective agency from York that did a comparative
Speaker 2: analysis of the Atlanta shallow killings and the son of
Speaker 2: same murders. Right, So I'll put I'll put a link
Speaker 2: in the show notes, but it says here Michael Carr
Speaker 2: and some other associates of Berkowitz and corporated a Buddha
Speaker 2: figure in their ceremonies in the same manner. According to Shirley,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned before, the witness down there that it
Speaker 2: was used the Atlanta ceremonies.
Speaker 1: God, that is fascinating. Man, I already knew of obviously,
Speaker 1: of of her direct connection into this, this kind of
Speaker 1: Parnell Trey Haim culled. You know, what she was basically
Speaker 1: claiming was her boyfriend was directly tied into this this
Speaker 1: Uh what really ultimately, you know, fundamentally it becomes this
Speaker 1: criminal syndicate enterprise which plays very much into not only
Speaker 1: what I view government as in the first place, is
Speaker 1: just the highest level of organized crime. And so so
Speaker 1: that's truly how I feel, And I think that's it's
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, I mean, it's it's honestly, it's it's
Speaker 1: obvious at this point that they very much utilize the
Speaker 1: same playbook and they kind of reinforce each other's existence,
Speaker 1: and it's it's, uh, it was seemingly you see so
Speaker 1: often that there are these warring factions, but it's typically
Speaker 1: below the surface of public accountability. There's no no real
Speaker 1: acknowledgment of the general public understanding how how power truly
Speaker 1: functions in the first place. But but yeah, you talk
Speaker 1: about how there's this undeniable, occult connection to a local
Speaker 1: chapter of the process affiliated with Parnell Treham in the
Speaker 1: Atlanta child murders were knowingly abducting children in Atlanta for
Speaker 1: the network to then you know, be taken by let's say,
Speaker 1: Wayne Williams, who's who's at least presenting himself as a
Speaker 1: talent spotter for young children who who can I forget
Speaker 1: what the name of his group was called that he
Speaker 1: was bringing them into, but even that, the name of
Speaker 1: the group was kind of a if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: it was a kind of an occult ac connotation in
Speaker 1: general as well, which was strange. But this was a
Speaker 1: group that he claimed he would be able to of
Speaker 1: course set these children on a path to start them,
Speaker 1: uh with their musical talents and that uh and and
Speaker 1: inevitably he would take them to Michael Thavis's uh a
Speaker 1: local production studio where they would then perform in child
Speaker 1: pornography and uh and that was inevitably what Michael Thievis
Speaker 1: was was a child pornographer, a king pen at the
Speaker 1: time in Atlanta, And.
Speaker 2: So he was kind of a big time you know overall.
Speaker 2: On at one point in time when Larry Flint paid
Speaker 2: Mitch Warbell a mayon dollar check to off his uh,
Speaker 2: his you know, his uh, you know, his competition not
Speaker 2: on that list, Michael not on list. Not listed was
Speaker 2: Michael Thabas. It was Guccioni, Hugh Hefner, and somebody else.
Speaker 2: But Michael Thievis wasn't on the hit list, strangely enough,
Speaker 2: and he definitely knew Mitch Warbell because they were both
Speaker 2: out of Atlanta. Right, So Michael thiabs major figure he
Speaker 2: would later sells him to. I believe it was Whitney
Speaker 2: Houston and Bobby Brown when he went to prison in
Speaker 2: one of his stints. You know, the relative to modern
Speaker 2: era folks like uh, comedian Joey Diaz has joked around
Speaker 2: on his own podcast about being a cocaine mule for
Speaker 2: the Houston Bobby Brown, flying them cocaine at various seties
Speaker 2: and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that, he claimed that.
Speaker 2: I knew he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's crazy stuff right there. Wow right, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I know that. You know, just as
Speaker 1: far as the there kind of the modern day like
Speaker 1: tie into the BCCI Iran contrast and still effectively taking
Speaker 1: place this very moment. I think my favorite example of
Speaker 1: this is is really Omar Matine in the Pulse Nightclub
Speaker 1: network in very many ways. I think Draws in wacken Hut, which,
Speaker 1: like perm Index was, was you know, obviously a pousible
Speaker 1: deniability construct in the private sector.
Speaker 2: And and if you.
Speaker 1: Consider the arlist Perry murder that we were just discussing earlier,
Speaker 1: her husband, Bruce Perry. Now I didn't realize this. He
Speaker 1: happens to be the psychiatrist in charge of treating the
Speaker 1: children at Waco. And it was even crazier than that.
Speaker 1: If you look into this guy's background, it turns out
Speaker 1: that apparently Bruce Perry was also he served as an
Speaker 1: expert witness in in all of these insane scandals involving
Speaker 1: these traumatized children, including Columbine High School massacre, Oklahoma City bombing, Waco,
Speaker 1: the yf the ranch custody cases, and uh and.
Speaker 2: All the Mormon fundamentalists. Let's not the Jeffs, Let's not
Speaker 2: you know, sleep on that situation. That's a fucking strange
Speaker 2: one right now. It's weird. He's involved in all these things, right,
Speaker 2: it's very rd bizarre. It is, especially given where he
Speaker 2: came from, with the exactly he's there at the very murder,
Speaker 2: right he you know, you should have been considered a suspect.
Speaker 2: He wasn't, right, wasn't.
Speaker 1: They had just had a fight as well, which is
Speaker 1: very strange. But you know, range, Yeah, you look at
Speaker 1: the execution of Roy Raiden, happened on Friday the thirteenth, right,
Speaker 1: thirteen bullets in the back of the head, a Bible
Speaker 1: left near his body, open to a passage from the
Speaker 1: Book of Isaiah, chapter twenty two, which reads, in part,
Speaker 1: let us eat and drink for tomorrow we shall die.
Speaker 2: And it gets sold here there's like there's some Christian
Speaker 2: stuff mashed in there, identifying right within that ritual human sacrifice.
Speaker 2: And then we got a report here saying they're doing,
Speaker 2: you know, mashing together Buddhi stuff in the mix. Right.
Speaker 3: Oh, that they do say they're in the ot O.
Speaker 3: There's still say there you will eat a feast for death.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: So this this kind of works within the framework of
Speaker 2: your understanding, within the lima of this incorporation of boots. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I also think them ripped off Catholicism the Bible anyways.
Speaker 1: Interesting, interesting, Okay, ideological deception at every level. Right, It's
Speaker 1: like that I feel like they attempt to infiltrate presiding
Speaker 1: ideologies and whether they were manufactured to begin with or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know which one, you know, obviously sure, but
Speaker 1: but it's what.
Speaker 2: Game first, go Bill Clinton or the Blue dress?
Speaker 1: Right, exactly right, But I mean, you know, and even
Speaker 1: then the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Committee
Speaker 1: of three hundred in the Club of Rome, and how
Speaker 1: how basically Bill Clinton was chosen as just like Jimmy
Speaker 1: Carter was, right, Jimmy Carter allegedly just a dip ship.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's very very he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Allegedly he was exactly I think he was the Lodge
Speaker 2: of Georgia or whatever. They're the you know whatever they
Speaker 2: call their top freemason. They're in the Green Lodge of
Speaker 2: the state.
Speaker 1: And that's what that's what always consistently, right, you know,
Speaker 1: raises its ugly head. Is this sort of just direct
Speaker 1: connection to these these powerful uh you know, let's say
Speaker 1: they're they're just very much there there powerful organizations as
Speaker 1: far as just their their influence on on the global
Speaker 1: infrastructure that really just like the path of what is
Speaker 1: because sure, yeah, yeah, in my mind you look at
Speaker 1: even the OTO like I was realizing that it was.
Speaker 1: It was founded in eighteen ninety five and in.
Speaker 2: Uh by the russ right yeah, yeah, and Carl Reunited
Speaker 2: the Illuminati, rightty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are the dudes from the there was like
Speaker 3: it was actually like aligned with Freemasonry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the The very interesting point that that
Speaker 1: I discovered as well was that it seems to be
Speaker 1: not only affiliated with of course this kind of like
Speaker 1: psychological operation being conducted by the Six at the time,
Speaker 1: which I think that that that is why Aleister Crowley
Speaker 1: effectively fell into that that position, because I think that
Speaker 1: he was kind of being utilized as the asset, you know,
Speaker 1: within the terms of British intelligence. But this chapter of
Speaker 1: the I mean you just there then these are like
Speaker 1: what I believe the end of it duals themselves. We're
Speaker 1: kind of like coming out of these really what inevitably
Speaker 1: have have fundamentally turned into these neo pagan ideologies that
Speaker 1: are being resurrected in modern day And I didn't realize
Speaker 1: this until I discovered a Now, obviously I'd mentioned Wacken
Speaker 1: Hunt being orchestrating essentially the Omar Mateen Puls night club shootings.
Speaker 1: We can get into those details at a later data
Speaker 1: if you like that.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a great way to put a pen
Speaker 2: and put a pin in that, and put a pin
Speaker 2: in this picture right here, So no one could ever
Speaker 2: explain why Cocaine Bob evans He or mister Process Hollywood
Speaker 2: was so good friends with Henry Kissinger. And then then
Speaker 2: you see Kissinger's Kissinger's right hand man who was the
Speaker 2: VP of Kissinger and Associates, who was his deputy national
Speaker 2: security advisor, who was a national security advisor for I
Speaker 2: believe from Ford and Reagan, and that was retired Air
Speaker 2: Force General Brent Scowcroft. And then his assistant starts a
Speaker 2: neo process col JJ Bryan in Victorianism. So if folks
Speaker 2: wonder why no one hears about these things and really
Speaker 2: doesn't understand, it's because I, in my opinion, they're being
Speaker 2: sam national security, Like I ran Concora with same national
Speaker 2: security and like I believe Idaho four right now, the
Speaker 2: Idaho concience being state national security around these matters. And
Speaker 2: this is my favorite picture to demonstrate an old shirt
Speaker 2: was Cocaine Bob and is huching on this, Henry, but
Speaker 2: it is it's dark right knowing whatever these fellas now.
Speaker 2: But I think that's what we're talking about with this
Speaker 2: wacken Hut promise software stuff Michael kna Shudo. Oh right,
Speaker 2: so that that applies the ultimate evil there, right, because
Speaker 2: Ricona Shudo and Gunderson are providing information to more Retarrian
Speaker 2: at Sanders over the years. Because apparently Riccona Shudo was
Speaker 2: in the Tate Nashbury working Contel Pro four gunners.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I really can't stand that. That now,
Speaker 1: I understand why people would be skeptical of a kind
Speaker 1: of shooto because he has such a strange background. He's
Speaker 1: obviously involved in covert operations. He was, he was clearly
Speaker 1: an asset for the intelligence community. But he was hung
Speaker 1: out to dry. And I think so many of them
Speaker 1: are effectively hung out to dry because and when and
Speaker 1: when they are framed for domestically trafficking heroin, right, like
Speaker 1: like a Ricana Schutto who's like, yeah, I was doing
Speaker 1: it for the CIA, right, and then right yeah, when he.
Speaker 2: Gets underwater LSD Labs dude, I mean, this dude's new rookie.
Speaker 1: He's the one working at the Cabson Indian Reservation providing
Speaker 1: the back door for the promised software scandal. And I
Speaker 1: mean he claims that's where it was done, which we
Speaker 1: know at this point they the CIA was actively flying
Speaker 1: in Mexican nationals to cook math amphetamines on the on
Speaker 1: the cabs On Indian Reservation, and the they were utilizing
Speaker 1: these Indian reservations for Clindestine black operations within the domestic context.
Speaker 1: It's really what they were doing. And I mean we're
Speaker 1: talking esoteric weapons being you know, uh at least uh
Speaker 1: being you know, effectively pursued and at least tested at
Speaker 1: the Cabazon Indian Reservation. And then, by the way, BCCI
Speaker 1: ties directly back into not only what was being conducted
Speaker 1: through Iran Contra at Cabazon, but Paul Wilcher and the
Speaker 1: Wilcher Report that was sent to Janet Reno, Attorney General
Speaker 1: at the time of Waco. And through this connection, it
Speaker 1: seemingly it looks like this individual named Gunter Carl Russbacher,
Speaker 1: who was allegedly a CIA covert domestic black operative. He
Speaker 1: apparently was the individual now Paul Wilcher, by the way,
Speaker 1: who was what presented to the task force who were
Speaker 1: investigating the October Surprise during Iran Contra, where right, the
Speaker 1: hostages and all of this is being the negotiations are
Speaker 1: taking place. He claims that he was the CIA covert
Speaker 1: operative who flew George Bussr And a lot of different
Speaker 1: individuals apparently into Paris for the alleged meeting right where
Speaker 1: he flew them across the Atlantic to that story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he says that William Casey was on the plane,
Speaker 1: Donald Greg Robert Gates. All these individuals we have, like,
Speaker 1: let's see who else, who's.
Speaker 2: Who have scumbaggery? If you asked me an Iran concerce scandal,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad you brought that up because if I
Speaker 2: may just put a quick note here on the Iran
Speaker 2: concer in Idaho, John Michael Hand of Nougahan Bank would
Speaker 2: be found living under a presumed identity in Idaho Falls,
Speaker 2: Idaho in twenty fifteen, thirty five years after his constituent
Speaker 2: was Michael or something Newgan commits suicide. He walks on
Speaker 2: like Epstein, like Cocaine Bob, like Leon Black, like a
Speaker 2: lot of these folks. They all just happened to walk
Speaker 2: on major charges of money laundering, cocaine trafficking, and murderer.
Speaker 2: I'm ex give me one say I'd be right back falls.
Speaker 1: How are you good, buddy man, I'm just saying like
Speaker 1: as far as Waco specifically, though I couldn't even believe that.
Speaker 1: Through this Wilter report, I discovered that allegedly Koresh and
Speaker 1: six others in the Branch Davidians that were a part
Speaker 1: of his inner circle. According to this Paul Wilter report,
Speaker 1: they were deep cover CIA operatives who had refused in
Speaker 1: order to activate against an unknown target, and that they
Speaker 1: were actually developing an explosive device at the Branch Davidian
Speaker 1: complex and this was a part of their MK Ultra conditioning,
Speaker 1: And that apparently a lot of the green Berets had
Speaker 1: been conditioned in MK Ultra as well as far as
Speaker 1: these sophisticated techniques, and that that they were then waking
Speaker 1: up from their prior programming at certain levels, which was
Speaker 1: very interesting to me that even even uh ruby Ridge, right,
Speaker 1: Randy Weaver, even Randy Yeah, even he was mentioned as
Speaker 1: potentially being h basically conditioned in these mind control techniques.
Speaker 1: And then that due to his wife Vicky, he was
Speaker 1: waking up to these prior conditioning techniques that and his
Speaker 1: prior programming, and therefore she became the priority target whenever
Speaker 1: they went up to Ruby Ridge. Was because he was
Speaker 1: effectively rejecting his programming of apparently committing some sort of
Speaker 1: domestic terror operation which they could drive to kind of
Speaker 1: exploit in terms of pat con, which was just kind
Speaker 1: of the right wing co intel program that was being
Speaker 1: ran at the time, kind of staging OKAC, which obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, led to kind of the what was the
Speaker 1: initial legislation that became the precursor to the Patriot Act obviously,
Speaker 1: but within the context.
Speaker 2: Ninety five legislation by Joe Biden exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And it turns out there.
Speaker 2: Right, and if I made on one note, made you
Speaker 2: just I mean, you're you're you're blowing up my brain
Speaker 2: all here, Austin, and we're still almost three hours and
Speaker 2: you're still successfully doing that. So when you're considering because I,
Speaker 2: you know, I I as much as I've thought about
Speaker 2: Idaho contraum and all these other weird activities around the situation,
Speaker 2: you know, I just I just right now, when you're talking,
Speaker 2: I just considered John Michael Han former Green Berey. We
Speaker 2: were former Green Beray. They're both in Idaho. Like you're
Speaker 2: gonna tell me, these these folks aren't communicating or somehow
Speaker 2: interacting with one another.
Speaker 1: Right Yeah, it's hard to imagine that they wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: And and especially how again, this is a subset, This
Speaker 1: is a very small portion that people don't realize, is uh.
Speaker 1: You know, it's an exclusive community of individuals, right, who
Speaker 1: are very well trained and and I think, uh understanding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And Tim McVay said the same thing as far as
Speaker 1: his the Green Berey training, that most of the Special
Speaker 1: Forces operative operatives within the context of this, uh, this
Speaker 1: elite group of Green Berets were definitely forced to go
Speaker 1: through this mind control sophisticated programming techniques.
Speaker 2: And that was was requirement as part of their training.
Speaker 1: Exactly, That's what they said. And so it makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense to me, and and and for again
Speaker 1: this Wilchair report, which came in three separate parts, that
Speaker 1: claims that David Koresh was a sleeper who had been
Speaker 1: subjected to extensive CIA mind control training and programming, and
Speaker 1: that apparently Waco was a major center for such CIA
Speaker 1: mind control experimentation and programming, with much of this activity
Speaker 1: occurring at the CIA's Leadership Management Institute in Waco. The
Speaker 1: l M I and I have.
Speaker 2: To ask you to cease some assystem blowing up a brand.
Speaker 2: Hold the minister, because you were one of the few,
Speaker 2: if not the only, one that wants to bring up
Speaker 2: weapons trafficking around the Waco situation. Because that's what I've
Speaker 2: looked at what those Branch Davidians were doing. They were
Speaker 2: selling a lot of guns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, there's all of my fucking gun shows,
Speaker 3: weren't they.
Speaker 2: You can tell the price of all day long and say,
Speaker 2: you know, the government ever reached these people either were
Speaker 2: in bed with the government trafficking weapons in around this
Speaker 2: Iran contra stuff and or what were solid a witness it.
Speaker 2: And I say that to make this point. The main
Speaker 2: weapons small arms weapons Depot and Iran concert was being
Speaker 2: run out of a place called Camp Bullis. It's an
Speaker 2: Air Force training installation in the outskirts of San Antonio, Texas. YEP.
Speaker 2: That is not that far south from Waco. If you
Speaker 2: want to go to and from the border, perfect.
Speaker 1: Pit stop exactly. And also you know what else was
Speaker 1: named within the context of this Not only the CIA
Speaker 1: was utilizing the LMI in Waco, but they named in
Speaker 1: this report Salt Lake City, Utah, Provo Utah, Logan, Utah,
Speaker 1: and Boise, Idaho.
Speaker 2: Get out of Town dude, I swear on now, dude,
Speaker 2: you just identify and Nick Nicks Nick let up because
Speaker 2: we've talked about all these locations relative to the Idaho
Speaker 2: contrace stuff. So that's what I'm saying. You just hit
Speaker 2: on a lot of targets there. Man, I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to have to ask you for a copy of this report.
Speaker 1: I'll send it to This.
Speaker 2: Is fucking amazing. Man, that's great stuff right there. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to dive into some more land so if
Speaker 2: I can bring this again again. I appreciate all all
Speaker 2: these details and the conversation. Man, it's great stuff. And
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm looking. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: ahead and look look forward to our next conversation. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say I'm not gonna let you leave after the show.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let you leave until we booked something
Speaker 2: for the next conversation.
Speaker 1: Sounds being held.
Speaker 2: Hostage until then, because I'm sure you feel the same way.
Speaker 2: It looks like by the reaction he is just saying.
Speaker 2: So No, I definitely appreciate all this time. I mean,
Speaker 2: the chat season be very loving. All your your details
Speaker 2: are dropping a lot of details. I love details and
Speaker 2: the details oriented individually. Appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: Honestly, you're blowing my mind as well, because I feel
Speaker 1: like whenever we have a meeting of the minds like this, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's each individually goes down different paths of
Speaker 1: research and investigation. And so we have so much I
Speaker 1: feel like fill in various holes that that we might
Speaker 1: have realized, you know. And and you seem to fill
Speaker 1: in quite quite a few different holes and within the
Speaker 1: context of the puzzle pieces that I'm considering in this
Speaker 1: wider network that seems to be well established and very
Speaker 1: much connected. Right so, ill.
Speaker 2: So when you're talking Timothy mcveig, we're talking Iran cons
Speaker 2: we're talking about the use of flying drugs in this country.
Speaker 2: His Now, folks may not realize this, his sister did
Speaker 2: it this year, remember with this document his sister's deposition
Speaker 2: regarding these matters. Yep, Jennifer Vay, would you like to
Speaker 2: describe this for the folks of the interwebs are also.
Speaker 1: Reading through the really the original New York Times article
Speaker 1: as well that that came through that that proved kind
Speaker 1: of Tim mcvay's just he was essentially having like an
Speaker 1: emotional breakdown. He really like it had to do with
Speaker 1: his his uh, what his grandpa as well, right, which
Speaker 1: which was very interesting as far as the connection there
Speaker 1: to to him essentially, you know, really just having to
Speaker 1: tell someone about this cleandestine life that he was living,
Speaker 1: right and and uh and at the very least he
Speaker 1: seemed to have needed to get something off of his chest,
Speaker 1: which I found fascinating, right that he kept telling uh,
Speaker 1: at least attempted to tell some some people, even his
Speaker 1: mom and sister right after the fact, claimed that they
Speaker 1: were being surveiled very heavily, right within the context of
Speaker 1: of of the federal agents who were obviously affiliated with
Speaker 1: with attempting to keep this all undercover, facilitate the cover up,
Speaker 1: right in many different ways. And so yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that it's very strange to see that he was actually
Speaker 1: claiming that he was he was flying in drugs and
Speaker 1: basically you know, running a round contra right as.
Speaker 2: Right, here's Quota saying it's crazy. Right, So if you
Speaker 2: mean on the way we're sold these narratives, it seems
Speaker 2: to be lamity tunes, right, Nick, Is that what you're
Speaker 2: gonna say? What you have to say?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, it was actually just sitting up to uh.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so you know it says he says number one,
Speaker 2: he would we would be helping with the the c
Speaker 2: I A fly drugs into the US to fund many
Speaker 2: covert operations. I ran contrasts. So I think that's very fascinating.
Speaker 2: You have a guy who's been apparently sheep dip through
Speaker 2: Army special Forces. You know what I mean? Again speaking
Speaker 2: to how these kind of matters work, and uh and again, Austin,
Speaker 2: I don't wanna. I don't wanna shorten this conversation where
Speaker 2: I have to, but I do have I have to go.
Speaker 2: I have another show, I have other I have other
Speaker 2: uh uh things I need attend to here over my
Speaker 2: speaking of Idaho stuff, I like to recommend you don't
Speaker 2: folks going to check out Kneb's The Purge. I was
Speaker 2: over there earlier today providing my Idaho for weekly dissertations
Speaker 2: and going back over here this evening. But I would
Speaker 2: like to put the pin in this subject right here
Speaker 2: for our next conversation, if you will, sir, before we
Speaker 2: have some closing remarks and whatnot. But have you heard
Speaker 2: the name Edward Wayne Edwards.
Speaker 1: I don't think I have honestly, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: He's perhaps the most prolific serial killer you've never heard of,
Speaker 2: and apparently many people may never hear of because the
Speaker 2: private detector or the former homicide detective who wrote that
Speaker 2: book and had that website there, Cold Case Cameron, Apparently
Speaker 2: the websites now down, but here on the webar archives,
Speaker 2: I'll eave a link you will find he's done a
Speaker 2: whole study on the serial killer's background. Now he alleges
Speaker 2: he's involved in all these murderers, including the Zodiac, and
Speaker 2: you know, we'll get into that too. There's, you know,
Speaker 2: some great evidence of that. You know that that at least.
Speaker 1: About Bill Metzer being the Zodiac. Have you heard that?
Speaker 1: Just people like claiming that he was potentially ind with
Speaker 1: some of the Zodiac killings, which I found very strange,
Speaker 1: but it's intriguing.
Speaker 2: But so if you're familiar with the Lake Berry, Esa guy,
Speaker 2: the details he gives the victim are all details of
Speaker 2: Edward Wayne Edwards's life. He broke out of Red Lodge
Speaker 2: prison in Montana. There was a prison guard murdered, he
Speaker 2: stole a car, he drove to Mexico. That's August of
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine, when in reality, that's when this guy
Speaker 2: in the hooded mass tells the victim the victims of
Speaker 2: Lake Berry, so once survives, right, right, that was in
Speaker 2: my opinion, that was a snuff film. The folks on
Speaker 2: the boat in nearby that never helped the victims they
Speaker 2: were filming. So the reason why during the daylight you
Speaker 2: have a giant knife and a mask because you want
Speaker 2: to obscure the man's identity and you need to be
Speaker 2: able to see the weapon from a distance.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating, man, And now I know that Detective James
Speaker 1: Rothstein claims that not only Jeffrey Dahmer, but but the
Speaker 1: Zodiac was directly tied into the obviously the Son of
Speaker 1: Sam killings, which he claimed the process was, you know,
Speaker 1: the coalescing organization that drew them all together. Which that's
Speaker 1: perfect in my mind, it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: But what do you think about the Zodiac just being
Speaker 1: like many of these cases, kind of not responsible for
Speaker 1: as many of the deaths that they claim. And obviously
Speaker 1: it was some sort of potentially targeted assassination fustian ritual
Speaker 1: snuff murders as well. But but you know, obviously.
Speaker 2: You know, you just identified it man. It's also it's
Speaker 2: the same, it's the same, Emma. Right, We've been discussing.
Speaker 2: It's it's the whole hog approach. It's a it's a
Speaker 2: team of killers, it's not one killer. I would argue
Speaker 2: the man in the mask was was Edward when Edwards
Speaker 2: because again he gave the details he gave were actual details,
Speaker 2: but they were from ten years prior Edwards did those things.
Speaker 2: In fifty nine, he was the number one suspect on
Speaker 2: the FBI's most Wanted list at the age of twenty two.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's he.
Speaker 2: Later inserts him. And he grew up with Charles Manson
Speaker 2: at the at the Chilicothee Boys Reformatory.
Speaker 4: No go to boys Town, right, they both made the
Speaker 4: Boystown infect.
Speaker 1: What the hell, dude, you're killing me? That is fascinating.
Speaker 2: During the Atlanta child killings, and this is I give
Speaker 2: John Cameron the you know, he takes a lot of flak.
Speaker 2: He did a Paramount plus series with Edward when Edwards's grandson,
Speaker 2: and you know, and again he's he may have ever
Speaker 2: accept some of his his theories with you know, John
Speaker 2: Binney Ramsey and everything else that he accuses Edwards evolved
Speaker 2: but I think he nails it because Edwards is like
Speaker 2: a general in that hand of death cult you were
Speaker 2: referring to, right, So I look at him as a general, right,
Speaker 2: and I'm happy that's what I'm saying. Let's put a
Speaker 2: pen in some of this stuff, but I want to
Speaker 2: leave it here. He invades the Atlanta Child Killing Task
Speaker 2: Force as a marryat a police sergeant.
Speaker 1: What is full name? Right now?
Speaker 2: I need to know Edward Wayne Edwards, and I'll send
Speaker 2: you link to all this stuff, and I'll even send
Speaker 2: you link to the time where he uh got himself
Speaker 2: on the TV show the game show Who's I'll find it?
Speaker 2: Him and Alan Alda Alan Guess people on the Yeah.
Speaker 2: While I'm while I'm meandering about my thoughts here, I'll
Speaker 2: find that clip real quick. But this is him with
Speaker 2: the Atlanta police captain, right. So he had a relationship
Speaker 2: with him because when he was the number one FBI
Speaker 2: most wanted dude. This is who busted him in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: I think in sixty two, So he he's back there later.
Speaker 2: This is during the child killings. He's taking a photograph
Speaker 2: with this dude, right. This dude's protege is running the
Speaker 2: task force. Edwards infiltrates that task force wearing a Mariada
Speaker 2: police sergeant's uniform. That police sergeant's uniform is found in
Speaker 2: an arson back in Pennsylvania in eighty three when they're
Speaker 2: investigating the arson. He didn't he didn't do a good
Speaker 2: at ed wasn't as good as he thought he was
Speaker 2: doing good job. The uniform was still in the closet.
Speaker 2: They then find him. The FBI finds him and arrests
Speaker 2: him not at this dude's house, but at a Marietta
Speaker 2: police sergeant's house in Marietta, Georgia in nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2: So that's what I want to I want to put
Speaker 2: a pen in that stuff, because again, this is the
Speaker 2: man here on the left who gave the details of
Speaker 2: Lake Berryessa accurately to this description. He is the wrong time,
Speaker 2: wrong time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, truth is far a stranger than fiction, right man.
Speaker 2: So if I if I can ask again, I appreciate
Speaker 2: your time, Austin. I look forward to the next conversation.
Speaker 2: But uh, this conversation was fantastic, and Nick, as always,
Speaker 2: I appreciate your insights and time and you know these, uh,
Speaker 2: these ideas of managing together something the Coult practices were,
Speaker 2: you know, or seemingly strange to me. But you know,
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Nick, Nick has a much better understanding,
Speaker 2: and I think on along these lines of Fleema to
Speaker 2: understand that that may maybe more practical than some of
Speaker 2: their boundaries as far as incorporating the Buddhism and the Christians.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, great insight. The if I can
Speaker 2: offer some closing sagency they're also and I'll look for that. Ever,
Speaker 2: Whin Edwards, Cliff, why while you're doing that.
Speaker 1: Awesome yeah, and i'll uh, I'll send you those those uh,
Speaker 1: at least a few of the sources that I was
Speaker 1: utilizing earlier that that you had asked for. Because again,
Speaker 1: it's like anytime we can kind of you know, bridge
Speaker 1: the gaps and and attempt to to at least coalesce
Speaker 1: and bring these these thoughts together and and fill in
Speaker 1: these these various holes and and the puzzle pieces necessary
Speaker 1: to to understand in a better and more conceptive concept
Speaker 1: actual way I.
Speaker 2: Could have said it better myself. That's that's an excellent
Speaker 2: way to phrase.
Speaker 1: That's the goal, right, and and that's that's all I
Speaker 1: can hope to accomplish. And and again you guys, man,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I cannot tell you how much
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys for just giving me the opportunity
Speaker 1: to come on the show and have a platform to
Speaker 1: have a conversation that's worthwhile. Again, because this is all
Speaker 1: I I I really hope to achieve at this moment,
Speaker 1: because I'm under no real delusion that that I'm going
Speaker 1: to personally have some sort of like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a profound impact on the way society is heading. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I'm not at all, but I
Speaker 1: do have an objective in mind, and that is just
Speaker 1: to spend my time, you know, pursuing these these avenues
Speaker 1: of interest that will hopefully provide more of a conceptual
Speaker 1: understanding of of in a far more plausible alternative version
Speaker 1: of history and reality as we face it today in
Speaker 1: modern terms. And I think that much of this has
Speaker 1: been through the occult lens utilized to deliberately deceive us
Speaker 1: into to falling into traps ideologically and and facilitating the
Speaker 1: very system as it is currently structured. And so anytime
Speaker 1: we can kind of like pierce through that veil and
Speaker 1: and provide a window into the right that this sort
Speaker 1: of psychological uh, you know, covert, it's it's a psyop,
Speaker 1: but cultural engineering as well, like social engineering and cultural creation.
Speaker 2: The process, right, social turbulence, the paper written by Eric
Speaker 2: Eric trist Ra Allan trist.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one was the dad who worked with who came
Speaker 2: over to who was from the Tavistock founder, who wrote
Speaker 2: the Social Turbulence paper, which seems to be what the
Speaker 2: purpose of the process is. And then he just happened
Speaker 2: to come to America at the same time as the
Speaker 2: process and go to USLA and work with Lewis Jellon
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which by the way, he has a files on
Speaker 1: the Waco incident as well, and it turned out as
Speaker 1: SECUR potentially being involved in treating David Koresh at a
Speaker 1: certain point. So I'm not sure. I still haven't found
Speaker 1: like direct corroboration as far as the evidence is concerned
Speaker 1: to prove that out, but I know that when they
Speaker 1: rated his files at UCLA, the Waco children were a huge,
Speaker 1: huge part of one of those files. And even in
Speaker 1: the finders, right, what do they find peer to peer
Speaker 1: communication network in a computer system set up private computer
Speaker 1: nodes set up in nineteen eighty seven, This is unprecedented
Speaker 1: in many ways, YEP set up in communication with an
Speaker 1: asset in the Chinese embassy to procure yes from the Chinese.
Speaker 2: It's it's a dark consideration to see to consider where
Speaker 2: that may have evolved to since it goes un checked, right,
Speaker 2: But I totally, I totally agree with you on the
Speaker 2: concepts of you know, working in interchangeable ideas and working
Speaker 2: with folks. And I greatly you know. I hope you'll
Speaker 2: join us again again on future conversations here on Fridays
Speaker 2: the Operation GC Live and you know, of course Nick
Speaker 2: will have both of us maybe over there in the
Speaker 2: occult Rejects we can have some occult rejects assaults on
Speaker 2: these on these topics. I'm obviously being facetious Nick. Again,
Speaker 2: thank you both. I appreciate you both.
Speaker 1: And it's nice to officially meet you guys. And and
Speaker 1: again this sort of very very easy conversation, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like it flowed very well and to be
Speaker 1: you guys are are easy to talk to and and
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough again, Man, appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you for coming on. Man, that was amazing.
Speaker 2: So I'll have your links in the show notes. Do
Speaker 2: you have any any plugs here for for we department
Speaker 2: on Nick and obviously I mean obviously before Nick and
Speaker 2: I make some staves. But yeah, do you have any
Speaker 2: any last plugs? Are awesome?
Speaker 1: Really all I all, Uh, the best place to find
Speaker 1: me is the Underclass Podcast. I think the best place
Speaker 1: to support me if if anything I've ever said has
Speaker 1: resonated with you enough and you have the means available
Speaker 1: to to to send anything my way, then of course
Speaker 1: Patreon dot com slash the Underclass Podcast the best place.
Speaker 1: I at least have some sort of incentive in place
Speaker 1: as well for any sort of supporters that they want
Speaker 1: to you know, uh, at least kind of like I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting. Well, first of all, I have a
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Speaker 1: Sam Sam Tripley, and and that has been like an extreme,
Speaker 1: extraordinary blessing because again they're both people that I admire
Speaker 1: and I think are willing to have objective and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, open minded conversations and and consider our new
Speaker 1: ideas and and again, you know, anytime that you have
Speaker 1: the ability to pursue this in in that fashion, then
Speaker 1: I feel like that is the divine path of some kind.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly how to explain it, but that's
Speaker 1: how it feels like, I.
Speaker 2: Like, I like the way you like your stylers or
Speaker 2: what do you think?
Speaker 1: Thank you brother? But yeah again, thank you guys so much.
Speaker 1: And that's basically my plugs and and I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: So I'm eager to have another conversation. So we'll get
Speaker 1: that schedule for sure.
Speaker 2: For sure, for sure, Nick Greats. I always appreciate our Fridays.
Speaker 2: I always have a good time looking forward to these things.
Speaker 2: I learned new things every week. This week perhaps I
Speaker 2: learned expected so much. I appreciate as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you man, me too.
Speaker 2: Any any closing comments or plugs you got there, Nick.
Speaker 3: No, just anything. Tomorrow we're going live with rd A
Speaker 3: Lee and I think twelve or something around there. I
Speaker 3: don't know. You'll see when I make the live to
Speaker 3: talk about Virginia Guffrey. And then Sunday we've got a
Speaker 3: bunch of us going on. Donald Ferguson is a fan
Speaker 3: of listeners coming on to blow our minds with some stuff.
Speaker 3: I think people will really really enjoy it. I think
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have Ricardo there and Lisa, so I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have those two brains as well joining Donald, so it
Speaker 3: should be pretty mind melting. So definitely check this out Sunday.
Speaker 3: And that's about it. Thank you both, man, Austin, thank
Speaker 3: you so much. That was like fucking a lot of
Speaker 3: a lot of information. You remember about as much as
Speaker 3: j Pretty fucking crazy. What's that I said? You remember
Speaker 3: them but just as much as JJ does. That's pretty
Speaker 3: fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: Details. And I appreciate both your gents time and conversation
Speaker 2: and folks of interwebs as well. And I I just
Speaker 2: have a quick parting words and uh that is check
Speaker 2: out Operation GCD Sundays this Sunday at eight pm Eastern time.
Speaker 2: That's next Sunday, this Sunday at a pm Eastern time
Speaker 2: my Patreon on links in the show notes here the
Speaker 2: Curse of Robert the Doll. I mean, I guess all
Speaker 2: this the Curse of Buffalo Jared Riviza, but this is
Speaker 2: far more targeted and far less mystical, but equally scary.
Speaker 2: So and and where we'll pick up on the next
Speaker 2: one there Austin is Edward Wayne Edwards. And let me
Speaker 2: just show you this brief clip. Let's see it of
Speaker 2: is it into nineteen seventy two on the game show
Speaker 2: to Tell the Truth? Right? That's kind of a US Army.
Speaker 1: Number one. What is your name please? My name is
Speaker 1: ed Edwards.
Speaker 3: Number two.
Speaker 1: My name is Ed Edwards. Number three.
Speaker 2: My name is Ed Edwards and would the real Ed
Speaker 2: Edwards please stand up? So we'll definitely have to dive
Speaker 2: into that. I've been fascinated with everyone Edwards for years now,
Speaker 2: so that's something I enjoy and certainly happy to share
Speaker 2: it with the rest of the conspiracy culture when we're
Speaker 2: not you know, when he hit so many of these
Speaker 2: different categories amongst so many of these things, and somehow
Speaker 2: still goes largely undetected but awesome conversation and folks in
Speaker 2: webs want to check out somebody to have four stuff Tonight,
Speaker 2: I'm heading over to cane Be's the Purge and Austin.
Speaker 2: If you feel like getting into some of my ran
Speaker 2: contray to have type conversations, you're welcome to join us
Speaker 2: over there. I want to invite you on the host
Speaker 2: part gain By be happy to because he would love
Speaker 2: the conversation if you join us. And Nick I was
Speaker 2: always I hope to sit there I'll try all right,
Speaker 2: And on that note, thank you both for your time.
Speaker 2: Thanks folks to the interwebs.