Speaker 1: Oh bead of bard that hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the
Speaker 2: Cajun Night I'm ravingly And we have a little bit
Speaker 2: of a conversation that needs to be had good cult members.
Speaker 2: We touched on it last week or possibly the week
Speaker 2: four two weeks ago. Yeah, time flies when you're having fun,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I hear this, I'll never
Speaker 2: know what it is. I never know if it's yesterday
Speaker 2: or tomorrow, but somehow it's never fucking today, and I'm
Speaker 2: tired of it. But that's neither here nor there. So
Speaker 2: we need to have a conversation, good cult members. What
Speaker 2: is going on with the random deaths of scientists that
Speaker 2: are surrounding very key strategic national defense sectors. And we
Speaker 2: talked about this a little bit with the general that
Speaker 2: was over a sizeable portion of the UFO site, right
Speaker 2: and he just walked off into the desert with nothing
Speaker 2: but a revolver and he still has not been found.
Speaker 2: And we're going to talk about General McCaslin here in
Speaker 2: a bit. But that is only the most recent of
Speaker 2: a long list. But honestly, I didn't even know how
Speaker 2: long this was. That has gone down since the end
Speaker 2: of last year to now. There's a lot more. There's
Speaker 2: six that people are talking about. There's a lot more
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, And what if I was
Speaker 2: to tell you that there's a precedence for this. In
Speaker 2: the late eighties and early nineties twenty five to twenty
Speaker 2: seven opinion on who you ask, scientists surrounding Britain's National Defense
Speaker 2: Sectors were all murdered or confirmed dead or missing in
Speaker 2: very strange, mysterious ways, so much so that a book
Speaker 2: was written about them, and the author of the book
Speaker 2: sent a foyer request to the British Parliament and they
Speaker 2: didn't even They outright ignored him, and then he had
Speaker 2: to reappeal it, and then he was arrested allegedly.
Speaker 3: We're gonna they get Did they just kill him?
Speaker 2: Well, some of the murders were a bit It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: if you were to look at one individual case, very
Speaker 2: very similar to the situation that's going on with our
Speaker 2: scientists right now, if you were to look get one
Speaker 2: of these as an individual as a write off, okay,
Speaker 2: I could I could see a world in which something
Speaker 2: like this has happened.
Speaker 4: Right, People go hiking and go missing all the time.
Speaker 2: Murder suicides do in fact happen, you know, random gangland
Speaker 2: violence that some person was just in the wrong place,
Speaker 2: wrong time, got crossing the crossfires.
Speaker 4: This does happen.
Speaker 2: But when you put it all together and you see
Speaker 2: that there is not this, this is a pattern. This
Speaker 2: isn't even a oh well, you know, only the conspiracy theorist. No, no,
Speaker 2: out loud. There is a very clear pattern that's going
Speaker 2: on here. And then specifically with the type of science
Speaker 2: that excuse me, the type of scientists that are being
Speaker 2: unalived for lack of better words, because some of them
Speaker 2: are just gone missing, some of them are confirmed dead.
Speaker 4: So there's a whole thing here.
Speaker 2: This isn't like, oh this nuclear physicist over here, Oh,
Speaker 2: this botanical scientist over here, Oh this anthropology scientist over no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: They are all directly connected to the American national defense industry,
Speaker 2: some might say the military industrial complex. So let's go
Speaker 2: deeper into all of this. Yes, right, Patterson Air Force
Speaker 2: Base is going to make its appearance, But so were
Speaker 2: a few labs that people may or may not have
Speaker 2: ever heard of before. But they got their own crazy
Speaker 2: backstories and rabbit holes within rabbit holes within rabbit holes
Speaker 2: to go down.
Speaker 4: We're gonna do a little bit of a deep dive
Speaker 4: this episode.
Speaker 2: Good cult members, So before we get started, Raven Lee,
Speaker 2: what what is your take on it?
Speaker 4: Before we get started here.
Speaker 5: So I did want to give a huge shout out
Speaker 5: to our cult member Alex in I don't want to
Speaker 5: say like your full name. He actually presented this information
Speaker 5: to me way back in oh, way back in December.
Speaker 5: He actually found that in professor with nuclear science and
Speaker 5: engineering and physics was this was the first one and
Speaker 5: he said, hey, this seems really fishy and I don't
Speaker 5: really know what's going on with this, but you know,
Speaker 5: keep an eye on it. And then as this is progressed,
Speaker 5: he set me other articles and things, and I'm like, hmm,
Speaker 5: I think you're really onto something here.
Speaker 3: I think you're keeping a good eye out.
Speaker 5: And so I actually didn't really know a bunch about
Speaker 5: it besides what the articles I kind of glanced at,
Speaker 5: you know, read that he gave us some stuff. But
Speaker 5: I think that there is I didn't know anything about
Speaker 5: Britain having twenty five to twenty seven people gone missing
Speaker 5: at one point or killed. I would assume that there
Speaker 5: is a reason and a connection between all of them
Speaker 5: and why because it's it's weirdly being talked about, but
Speaker 5: not not in the mainstream media enough to where it's
Speaker 5: like still being brought up, like you see it on
Speaker 5: social media and people are like, hey, so there's another
Speaker 5: scientist that's going on, and then it's cut quietly, kind
Speaker 5: of just going off into the wind.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll don't really know a bunch about it.
Speaker 2: I will say that it's being talked about so much
Speaker 2: so that now an American congressman is stepping up and saying, hey,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is up? It actually is Okay, thank
Speaker 2: god we have one politician and grants it.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm sure if you look at who's funding him,
Speaker 4: that's a whole thing and the stuff.
Speaker 2: Like, I haven't done a deep dive into the politician himself,
Speaker 2: but what I will say is I can at least
Speaker 2: appreciate a specific congressman who has stepped up and said, hey, y'all,
Speaker 2: maybe we need to be paying attention because there is
Speaker 2: a clear dark pattern of what's going on here. None
Speaker 2: of this shit's making sense, and it's like, okay, mister congressman,
Speaker 2: you now have the floor her I want to hear
Speaker 2: from you.
Speaker 4: But anyway, we're.
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Speaker 2: just start off at the top here. Okay, so this
Speaker 2: is from American Greatness dot Com. Yes, I know the
Speaker 2: people are gonna get pissed off about the source, but again,
Speaker 2: let's look at the information that is being broadcast here rather.
Speaker 4: Than the source itself.
Speaker 2: Okay, have your leanings all you want, that's not the
Speaker 2: point of the episode here. Something dark is going on.
Speaker 2: Nine top level scientists die or go missing in the
Speaker 2: past year. Let's break this down here. So, in the
Speaker 2: span of nine months, nine top level scientists in the
Speaker 2: United States have died or vanished without a trace. Seven
Speaker 2: of them were connected to the Air Force Research Laboratory AFRL,
Speaker 2: or the institutions indirectly funds or it directly funds. Rather
Speaker 2: so AFRL develops and transitions the most sensitive aerospace technologies
Speaker 2: in the United States's defense arsenal. Now, this is a
Speaker 2: list that's gonna go over them, but then we're gonna
Speaker 2: break them all down individually to get to the deeper
Speaker 2: story here. Okay, So starting off right off the rip here,
Speaker 2: Monica Wascinta Reza, probably mispronouncing that my apologies. She vanished
Speaker 2: June twenty second of last year while hiking with friends
Speaker 2: in the Angels National Forest in California. She still has
Speaker 2: not been found by the way as of time of recording.
Speaker 2: She was last seen waving to a hiking companion approximately
Speaker 2: thirty feet behind the group. Despite an extensive search involving helicopters, drones,
Speaker 2: canine units, only a beanie and lit bomb were recovered
Speaker 2: and her body has not been found. Rezam, who was sixty,
Speaker 2: was an aerospace engineer at the technical fellow at Aerojet
Speaker 2: Rocket Dying, which, yes, that is a real place, Aerojet
Speaker 2: Rocket Dyne Laboratories for those.
Speaker 4: That may not know.
Speaker 2: They do a lot with jet propulsion, a lot with
Speaker 2: jet propulsion, and they are a pretty key component to
Speaker 2: the well, let's just say anything involving missiles rockets, you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, military defense industrial complex is happening here.
Speaker 4: But moving on.
Speaker 2: Who later moved to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratories JPL. Yes,
Speaker 2: we've already talked about JPL, and how that was founded
Speaker 2: by one of Alistair Crownley's little homeboys.
Speaker 4: Well, I should say Beta Cux, but that's neither here
Speaker 4: nor there.
Speaker 2: Jack Parsons was a guy, he made rockets, He did
Speaker 2: a cult sacrifices anyway, beside the point JPL. That's him
Speaker 2: moving forward here. And she was a co inventor of Mandelay.
Speaker 2: Mandalay is a very She literally invented this alloy. So
Speaker 2: it is a family of nickel based super alloys developed
Speaker 2: by Aerojet Rocket Dye too. Its stand oxygen rich environments
Speaker 2: and extreme heat in rocket engines, so basically the metal
Speaker 2: I know what people are thinking, right, So throwing it
Speaker 2: out here. We do know that jet fuel does not
Speaker 2: melt still beams like a nine to eleven.
Speaker 4: I get that rocket propulsion is a little more.
Speaker 2: Intense than a jet fuel fire, right, And the metal
Speaker 2: components that hold that heat and direct it have to
Speaker 2: have a different type of metal. It got to be
Speaker 2: made out of some different stuff. She literally created mandolay,
Speaker 2: which is the metal that is used for a lot
Speaker 2: of these super hot, superoxygen rich rocket components. Its unique
Speaker 2: achievement is balancing high oxygen comi compatibility with structural strength,
Speaker 2: solving a critical challenge where traditional oxygen resistant alloys are
Speaker 2: too weak to use in high pressure components like pre
Speaker 2: burners or turbine rotors. So she was absolutely as at
Speaker 2: her field. She worked closely with retired Major General William
Speaker 2: Neil McCaslin, yes direct connection between the missing general and her,
Speaker 2: who commanded the AFRL from twenty eleven to twenty thirteen
Speaker 2: and oversaw the government funding for her alloy program. He
Speaker 2: literally cut this scientist the check to work on the
Speaker 2: components to do the rocketry. Not to mention, he was
Speaker 2: over the R and D department at the let's just
Speaker 2: call it the Alien Site right of right Patterson Air
Speaker 2: Force Base. But yes, so there was absolutely a connection here.
Speaker 2: But Caslin disappeared in February. We're going to talk about
Speaker 2: that more in a bit. But anyway, Dallas Hardwick, Reza's
Speaker 2: mentor and co inventor of Mandalay, died on January fifth,
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, apparently of natural causes. That's not the connection here.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, apparently quote unquote, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I was like, quot quote yeah, throw that apparently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, throw the air quotes when you see him, it's
Speaker 2: like a flag on the play if you see it
Speaker 2: calling you know what I'm saying. But as far as
Speaker 2: for the conversation we're having this evening, that was twenty fourteen.
Speaker 4: That was over twelve years ago, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: These this collection of depths are all really really tightly
Speaker 2: packed together. And again it doesn't take much of a
Speaker 2: genius to see the connection between it all. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about Reza more in a bit, But that's
Speaker 2: the keynote here, all right. Moving on, Melissa Cassius probably
Speaker 2: mispronouncing that one as well. Has been missing since June
Speaker 2: twenty sixth of twenty twenty five. In Taos County, New Mexico,
Speaker 2: probably mispronouncing Tios Taos.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: She was last seen walking alone on Highway five eighteen
Speaker 2: near Talpa around two fifteen pm, wearing a light colored shirt, jeans,
Speaker 2: and tennis shoes, with a backpack containing personal items. Cassius
Speaker 2: was fifty three and was an administrative assistant at the
Speaker 2: Los Alamos National Laboratory. The amount of rabbit hole and
Speaker 2: conspiracies to go into with the Los Alamos National Laboratory, y'all,
Speaker 2: we could do five episodes on them. I'll give you
Speaker 2: a keynote real quick. That's where they started developing the
Speaker 2: first atomic bomb. Okay, it spawns from there. It only
Speaker 2: goes wilder from there. But anyway, a facility known for
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons research and national security science. Her job at
Speaker 2: the LANL links her to McCaslin, another direct connection to
Speaker 2: General McCaslin, who worked closely with LA and L on
Speaker 2: national security projects at Kirkland Air Force Base. According to
Speaker 2: the Daily Mail, she vanished just four days after Reza
Speaker 2: mysteriously disappeared. Y'all this one in and of itself. The
Speaker 2: things she dropped lunch off to her daughter. She called
Speaker 2: her husband and then grabs a book sack and takes
Speaker 2: the fuck off down a highway, never to be seen again.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Just the two of those alone is sketchy as shit.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's wild, It's all right.
Speaker 5: No, no, Now we have two we have two women
Speaker 5: that are close connection to good old General we do now.
Speaker 3: That are four days apart.
Speaker 4: So this one is where things get a little.
Speaker 3: Three four and five yea all together.
Speaker 2: So this is gonna be a little spicy, a little wild,
Speaker 2: and there is some speculations on a lot of different
Speaker 2: fronts on this one.
Speaker 4: So today or this one anyway.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, three four and five on this list, Jacob Prichard,
Speaker 2: Jamie Pritchard, and First Lieutenant Jamie gustisis Gustie TuS Gustiitus.
Speaker 3: It's a weird name, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: Gustitis, all right, Gustas. They all died October twenty fifth
Speaker 2: of last year. Now, this one, this one reads like
Speaker 2: a soap opera.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 3: But I mean, yes, they're gonna say they're all sleeping together,
Speaker 3: and like.
Speaker 4: Someone said, we don't know, we don't know, and.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even matter I care about what they were doing.
Speaker 2: None of it makes sense. I'm gonna read the story
Speaker 2: and then we have tons of conjecture because we got
Speaker 2: multiple news articles that are going to talk about when
Speaker 2: we break them down individually.
Speaker 4: But here's the overarching theme here. Okay.
Speaker 2: Jacob Pritchard was thirty four, and he was the Acquisition
Speaker 2: project manager at the AFLR Censors Directorate at Right Patterson
Speaker 2: Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, specializing in technologies for
Speaker 2: air and space reconnaissance and surveillance. Again, direct connection to
Speaker 2: the General. Right, this guy worked under the General anyway.
Speaker 2: Jacob's wife, Jamie Pritchett, well, I should say the General
Speaker 2: used to work there, but you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: there's direct connections as far as the base is concerned.
Speaker 2: Jacob's wife, Jamie Pritcher, thirty three, was a finance specialist
Speaker 2: at the Air Force life Cycle Management Center at Right Patterson.
Speaker 4: The couple had three children. Okay.
Speaker 2: Gustidas was twenty five, so there was a little bit
Speaker 2: of an age gap, but not much. And she was
Speaker 2: an Air Force Operations Analysis officer who worked in a
Speaker 2: top secret capacity at the seven hundred and eleventh Human
Speaker 2: Performance Wing at Right Patterson. Okay, the human performance wing
Speaker 2: of the top secret Air Force base.
Speaker 4: Now personally, my brain starts going to superhumans.
Speaker 5: That's just jam I was like Eugenics all the way.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm writing notes. I'm writing down, like the what
Speaker 5: they did and the connections to each other, because I
Speaker 5: want to see the pattern.
Speaker 3: But immediately I think of that.
Speaker 4: Start taking down the dates on all of them. Two
Speaker 4: for sure I did.
Speaker 5: I took down I took down June, June, and October.
Speaker 5: I didn't write down on the specific dates, but OKA
Speaker 5: say four days part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So all right, these three individuals, here's what happened.
Speaker 2: Jacob allegedly killed his wife Jamie and placed her body
Speaker 2: in the trunk of their car, then drove to Sugar
Speaker 2: Creek Township, broke into Gustidas's apartment and fatally shot her
Speaker 2: around two am. Then he drove to West Milton Municipal Building,
Speaker 2: opened the trunk for police to discover Jamie's body, and
Speaker 2: at around four to twenty three am committed suicide by
Speaker 2: gunshot in the parking lot. The act was reportedly captured
Speaker 2: on security cameras.
Speaker 5: That's the most wild shit I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 5: Like I said, like there's no way and as of
Speaker 5: this moment, and we're gonna read more about it.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there was some sort of a
Speaker 2: love triangle situation here.
Speaker 4: I'm not not saying there. I'm out all.
Speaker 5: I don't really care if they have a love triangle.
Speaker 5: I more or less care what the hell they were
Speaker 5: working on and how they were connected to this general
Speaker 5: that got got and why they're all killed in.
Speaker 3: A very weird interesting way of like.
Speaker 4: Hmm, apparently we lost a shit and said, fuck everybody.
Speaker 5: I don't know or you know, we do have we
Speaker 5: do in fact understand how mind control works, so they.
Speaker 4: Could jump in out here.
Speaker 5: But I'm sorry, I'm sorry, my brain is thinking and
Speaker 5: i'm a I'm actually what was the what were we?
Speaker 3: She was with human performance? That's what it was. I
Speaker 3: wanted to look up.
Speaker 2: Seven hundred, seven hundred and eleventh Human Performance Wing at
Speaker 2: right Patterson Air Force Base. So I just have a
Speaker 2: weird feeling the seven eleventh first of all, the seven
Speaker 2: eleven unit. That's fucking hilarious, but okay, because it never
Speaker 2: close and they're working on human performance booom. But my
Speaker 2: point is I got a weird feeling that they're working
Speaker 2: on the bat blood.
Speaker 4: I don't know that for a fact.
Speaker 3: We'll see, but it has to be I mean, the
Speaker 3: bat blood. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm starting to form a form of theory already because
Speaker 5: we shall see. But oh I found it, Oh, I
Speaker 5: found it. Well, actually have a website because we're going
Speaker 5: to be breaking. Yeah, I'm gonna read this, so all right,
Speaker 5: go ahead, all.
Speaker 4: Right, let's move on here. Let's move on.
Speaker 2: So before I go, the next one as of this moment,
Speaker 2: and very very subject to change, y'all, as more information
Speaker 2: comes out and more things get revealed. Fine, I can't
Speaker 2: find any evidence to say that these three were sleeping together,
Speaker 2: that there was a love affair going on or anything
Speaker 2: like this. By all accounts, they didn't know each other,
Speaker 2: but they had two of it, and he had to have
Speaker 2: known where she lived, so like there has to be
Speaker 2: some sort of a connection. None of that has been
Speaker 2: made public yet, so and the comments section on this
Speaker 2: one goes in the wildest direction possible, all over the place.
Speaker 2: But fine, fine, anyway, we'll get to that one in
Speaker 2: a minute.
Speaker 4: Next.
Speaker 2: Carl Grimare or grill mayor excuse me, astrophysicists. Yeah, astrophysicist
Speaker 2: and astronomer at the Caltech Infrared Processing Analysis Center or IPACK,
Speaker 2: was shot dead on the front porch of his home
Speaker 2: in Lanno, California, February sixteenth, twenty twenty six. So February
Speaker 2: of this year, this astrophysicist and astronomer was found on
Speaker 2: his porch in the middle of essentially bump fuck nowhere, California.
Speaker 2: Like this and in the big city is what? No
Speaker 2: gangland violence. His house wasn't broken into. This was He
Speaker 2: was just shot through the chest sitting on his porch.
Speaker 2: But we'll get some more. Let's come grill. Maayre was
Speaker 2: celebrated for his groundbreaking research and astronomy, including the discovery
Speaker 2: of dozens of stellar streams, which are remnants of ancient
Speaker 2: galactic collisions, and the first detection of water signatures in
Speaker 2: the atmospheres of exoplanets. For nearly thirty years at IPAK,
Speaker 2: he worked on numerous projects, including Neowise Science Data Center,
Speaker 2: where he validated data pipelines for detecting asteroids and comets
Speaker 2: that could impact Earth. Grimare's role involved testing new instrumentation
Speaker 2: and ensuring the NEOs surveyor instruments performed to specifications to
Speaker 2: identify dark, cold objects against the black of space. So,
Speaker 2: just so we're all clear here, your boy had somewhere
Speaker 2: around one hundred and fifty peer reviewed journals that are
Speaker 2: out right now. He has made dozens of discoveries, dozens
Speaker 2: of instrumentation that he personally developed. As far as this
Speaker 2: goes like and from all accounts of what I can find,
Speaker 2: he was very well liked and well respected in his field.
Speaker 2: It sounds like nobody had beef with him, and your
Speaker 2: boy only did. He just did the research. He was
Speaker 2: just in the mix. And he was found shot dead
Speaker 2: on his porch.
Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, that's not weird at all or anything, not
Speaker 3: even a little bit.
Speaker 2: And then, of course William Neil McCaslin, General, former AFRL commander,
Speaker 2: former research commander at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico,
Speaker 2: vanished from his home in Albuquerque, New Mexico on February
Speaker 2: twenty seventh, twenty twenty six. A silver alert was issued
Speaker 2: after the sixty eight year old disappeared. He reported left
Speaker 2: his phone, end glasses, but took his wallet, boots, and
Speaker 2: a thirty eight Revolver. With the FBI now assisting in
Speaker 2: his search, McCaslin hailed some of the most sensitive positions
Speaker 2: in the US military, including Director of the Special Program
Speaker 2: at the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense. That's
Speaker 2: that's kind of a big one. That's a pretty critical one.
Speaker 2: This gave him critical knowledge of the nation's most classified programs.
Speaker 2: He reportedly oversaw four point four billion dollars in classified
Speaker 2: aerospace research and development, running the lab at Right Patterson
Speaker 2: and serving as the Executive Secretary of the Special Access
Speaker 2: Program Oversight Committee, the body with the full purview of
Speaker 2: every SAP in the Department of Defense. So this dude
Speaker 2: was the one that basically gave the person the blessing
Speaker 2: and the certification to say what they could and could
Speaker 2: not know. You ever see those movies where, you know,
Speaker 2: you get this guy that goes to the White House
Speaker 2: and he's dressed like, you know, some vagabond, and they're.
Speaker 4: Like, you don't have the clearance for this.
Speaker 2: He's like, I am the clearance to talk about this,
Speaker 2: like you always had that an old guy. This is
Speaker 2: that guy, Like in real life, this is the guy
Speaker 2: where if he would have walked in the White House
Speaker 2: with a khakis and a.
Speaker 4: Polo on and so what are you doing here.
Speaker 2: You don't have the authorities, Like bitch, I literally wrote
Speaker 2: your authority get away from me, Like this is that
Speaker 2: guy but moving onez. His name appears in Wikileak's emails
Speaker 2: coordinating a UAP disclosure meeting with the Clinton campaign at
Speaker 2: the head of the Locky Martin's skunk works. According to
Speaker 2: the Sentinel Network, Okay.
Speaker 5: Glad that you just said that, because I was looking
Speaker 5: up the right patterson for Epstein and it came up
Speaker 5: in two things, and one of them is happens to
Speaker 5: be from twenty thirteen, and it's like right out of
Speaker 5: the eight The first thing that talks about is the Clintons,
Speaker 5: And I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2: It has to They just have to make their way
Speaker 2: into every conversation, don't they.
Speaker 5: But I'm seeing I'm an advisory circular is another one
Speaker 5: Department of transp Rotation Aviation thing has showed up in
Speaker 5: his thing and it's it's very long interesting, So.
Speaker 4: Anyway, continue on.
Speaker 2: Mccasson's association with UFO Research and brief professional association with
Speaker 2: Tom DeLong and the Two of the Stars Academy have
Speaker 2: drawn significant public and media attention to the case. According
Speaker 2: to the Sentinel, these mysterious deaths and disappearances do not
Speaker 2: amount to quote, a loose connect collection of people who
Speaker 2: happen to work in defense. I agree that's not that.
Speaker 2: This is not what this is. This one documented system,
Speaker 2: traceable through patent filings, congressional testimony, DTIC records, and federal
Speaker 2: contract databases. Res of vanishing in LA Counting or LA County. Rather,
Speaker 2: grill Mayer was killed in LA County, both in the
Speaker 2: shadow of JPL Caltech corridor, where America's planetary defense infrastructure
Speaker 2: is built. McCaslin vanished in Albuquerque, home of Kirkland Air
Speaker 2: Force Base, and Sandy in Natal Labs. The right Patterson
Speaker 2: deaths were in Dayton, Ohio. These are not random locations.
Speaker 2: These are three, or they are three geographic nodes of
Speaker 2: American Defense Aerospace Research, Southern California, New Mexico, Ohio, the
Speaker 2: triangle where AFRL lives, and at the every node the
Speaker 2: same institutional silence. JPL said nothing about Rezum, NASA said nothing,
Speaker 2: the AIAA said nothing. Caltech's statement about Grillmore said he
Speaker 2: passed away suddenly, which is very accurate.
Speaker 4: I looked that up.
Speaker 2: Caltech didn't say anything about it, only that he passed
Speaker 2: away suddenly without using the word shot. Right, Patterson offered
Speaker 2: counseling services for the three people that died in this
Speaker 2: crazy way. They offered counseling, which, to be fair, every
Speaker 2: fucking time we had a suicide when I was in
Speaker 2: we had to stop and talk about it. We had
Speaker 2: to have a big death by PowerPoint to remind every
Speaker 2: people not to kill themselves. In like two weeks later,
Speaker 2: we had another one do it, and it's like, fucking stop, dude,
Speaker 2: real shit, and that was that was It's rough, and
Speaker 2: don't even me wrong, I'm not trying to take it
Speaker 2: onto that direction. But there was like a six month
Speaker 2: time span when I was living in DC, when I
Speaker 2: was stationed there where like it seemed like every three
Speaker 2: weeks to a month we had another one eat a bullet,
Speaker 2: and the command's response was to have more death by
Speaker 2: power points about not killing yourself, and then another one
Speaker 2: would happen to be like, would you stop fucking talking
Speaker 2: about it like this, maybe you would help. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but anyway, so maybe right Patterson offering counseling services at
Speaker 2: military mindset that stands to reason. But of all the bases,
Speaker 2: the base with the UFOs and shit, you're gonna offer
Speaker 2: your airmen counseling, but whatever. Okay. In every case, the
Speaker 2: institution that lost someone chose the minimum possible disclosure. The
Speaker 2: silence is its own pattern inside the pattern, which I
Speaker 2: have to agree with.
Speaker 4: Now, let's go on to this next guy.
Speaker 2: Nunio F Gomez, Lorero Lariro, I don't know how to pronounce.
Speaker 2: His name, doesn't matter. A prominent Portuguese plasma physicist was
Speaker 2: fatally shot at his home in Brookline, Massachusetts, on December fifteenth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and died from his injuries the following day.
Speaker 2: Authorities connected to the murder connected his murder to Claudio
Speaker 2: Manuel Nevez Valente, who had committed a shooting at Brown
Speaker 2: University two days prior. Both men were classmates at the
Speaker 2: Instituto Superior Technico in Portugal. I don't speak Portuguese, of
Speaker 2: my apologies, which we're going to talk about your boy
Speaker 2: Valente a little bit too. So he fired forty four
Speaker 2: shots at at Brown University classroom.
Speaker 4: To which he had no connection to.
Speaker 2: It just happened to be the same classroom that he
Speaker 2: once had class in when he was at Brown, and
Speaker 2: he basically failed at life, He was top of his class,
Speaker 2: all these things. He had an amazing academic career, gets
Speaker 2: to the profession world, sucks at it and just decided.
Speaker 4: To be spurned by everybody.
Speaker 2: And he actually recorded four videos where he admitted to
Speaker 2: everything and gave his reasons why it was psychobabble like
Speaker 2: your boy was not okay up top. And again we'll
Speaker 2: talk about that more in a bit. But yeah, he
Speaker 2: committed the murders at the at Brown University. He killed
Speaker 2: a few, injured more, shot a bunch around them, then
Speaker 2: took off. Two days later, he goes to this guy
Speaker 2: who they were classmates, but there's no indication that they
Speaker 2: were rivals by any stretch of the imagination. But this
Speaker 2: guy had achieved, you know, some serious success in his life,
Speaker 2: and your boy Valente just really sucked.
Speaker 4: But anyway, anyway, we'll talk about it all more in
Speaker 4: a bit.
Speaker 2: So Loreo forty four hailed joint appointments as a professor
Speaker 2: at MIT's Department of Nuclear s Science and Engineering and
Speaker 2: Department of Physics, Director and director of MIT's Plasma Science
Speaker 2: and Fusion Center.
Speaker 5: That's so so him and himself alone being killed and
Speaker 5: everything that he did that the article I dropped in
Speaker 5: the chat is all about him. That was the original
Speaker 5: article that Alex sent me, and it breaks down all
Speaker 5: of this stuff like this dude alone, like changed how
Speaker 5: everything is for the universe pretty much and how plasma
Speaker 5: works and all this stuff. So for him to get
Speaker 5: killed on top of all these other people, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So he joined MIT in twenty sixteen and was known
Speaker 2: for his work on nonlinear plasma dynamics, including the development
Speaker 2: of Verato Veriato don't know simulation code, and his research
Speaker 2: on solar flares and fusion confinement. So your boy was
Speaker 2: a key player as far as nuclear fission was concerned.
Speaker 2: He was head of MIT's to or excuse me, He
Speaker 2: was a professor at MIT's Department of Nuclear Science and
Speaker 2: Engineering and Department of Physics, as well as director of
Speaker 2: vimmit's Plasma Science and Fusion Center. Your boy was insane
Speaker 2: and like you said, he changed the game in so
Speaker 2: many ways. They're gonna read more about him in a bit,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he got killed by this guy for with
Speaker 2: allegedly no connection, with no background to this.
Speaker 4: And I know people are thinking like and I've also
Speaker 4: heard the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, he's called the scientists of the Jews.
Speaker 2: That's something that a lot of news articles are saying
Speaker 2: because allegedly he was Jewish. The guy who killed him
Speaker 2: was not a Muslim or an Iranian or any of that.
Speaker 2: He was Portuguese. So the whole him being Jewish thing
Speaker 2: that people are throwing into this for the fuck of
Speaker 2: it matters literally zero percent.
Speaker 3: I wasn't even looking at if he was Jewish or not.
Speaker 4: I know, no, No.
Speaker 2: I had to go through and I had to search
Speaker 2: like thirteen different articles to talk about him, because every
Speaker 2: other one tried making it well clearly it was because
Speaker 2: of anti Semitists and Semite hate, because you know the
Speaker 2: are so hated. Now this person killed him. It's like,
Speaker 2: so this guy being the critical player to nuclear fission,
Speaker 2: and you think it was his religion that was the
Speaker 2: reason for his murder, Like odd people want to hate
Speaker 2: the Jews. Fine, I don't get down with it, but fine,
Speaker 2: everybody's in tow to their opinion. Everybody's in tow to
Speaker 2: be wrong, just like I am. Fine, But like all
Speaker 2: all the things that we could be talking about right now,
Speaker 2: like the importance of this.
Speaker 5: Guy, the way we could have been Muslim and I
Speaker 5: wouldn't have cared like as long we're talking about the
Speaker 5: work that they're creating.
Speaker 2: So he could have been like a card carrying Wickan
Speaker 2: or so. It has nothing to do with the groundbreaking
Speaker 2: research he's done in the nuclear field. But like all
Speaker 2: these articles are making it about anti Semitism, and it's like,
Speaker 2: all right, dude, we got we got more important shit
Speaker 2: to talk about right now. So anyway, anyway, we're gonna
Speaker 2: get to him more in depth in a bit so last.
Speaker 2: Jason Thomas, a chemical biologist, was reported missing on December thirteen,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, after leaving his home on the night
Speaker 2: of December twelfth without his phone, wallet, or identification. He
Speaker 2: was found dead in Lake Oh God, I'm gonna try
Speaker 2: to pronounce this word for any of our Massachusetts listeners.
Speaker 2: You might laugh at the way I pronounced this. Quanta powat.
Speaker 2: I have no idea in lake Quanta powet in Wakefield, Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: on March seventeen, twenty twenty six. So Thomas was forty
Speaker 2: five or just we're clear. He went missing December twelfth.
Speaker 2: They found him March seventeenth. Oh wow, they just found him.
Speaker 2: As of time of recording just a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2: So anyway, moving on, So he was forty five, was
Speaker 2: the assistant director of Novardies Institute for Biomedical Research, with
Speaker 2: over forty five hundred citations on chemical biology and Chimo
Speaker 2: chemo protein Jesus chemo proteomics.
Speaker 4: That sounds made up. I believe them, but that sounds made.
Speaker 3: Up some random mass words thrown together.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, your boy had over forty five hundred citations
Speaker 2: with his name on it. Okay, he was absolutely a
Speaker 2: dog when it came to his industry, even if I
Speaker 2: can't pronounce it. His work reportedly included active contracts with
Speaker 2: the Department of Defense. Commenting on the string of deaths
Speaker 2: and disappearances, Representative Tim Burchett, who is a congressman from
Speaker 2: Tennessee Republican, I my dad told podcaster Benny Johnson last
Speaker 2: week that something dark is going on. I know these
Speaker 2: scientists and researchers, they have all testified. We've got to
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it. He said, it's just
Speaker 2: too much. Too much is.
Speaker 4: Going on right now.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm not suicidal. A congressman had
Speaker 2: to say that on a podcast. Let everybody know in
Speaker 2: case he comes up missing next it wasn't him anyway.
Speaker 2: So this is the overarching breakdown. We're about to get
Speaker 2: to the thick of it. Ravenly your thoughts before go
Speaker 2: any further.
Speaker 5: I think that there is clearly something happening. You know,
Speaker 5: you have an aerospace engineer, you have a nuclear weapons
Speaker 5: person that does security science, you have aerospace reconnaissance, a
Speaker 5: financial person with the Science Institute, top secret human performance wing,
Speaker 5: an astrophysicist.
Speaker 3: Then you got the general that's linked to all of
Speaker 3: them above. Then you have how do you say his name?
Speaker 3: The number seven, number eight? Excuse me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Portuguese dude, I Anna, we're gonna.
Speaker 5: Do it, did plasma fusion and all of that. And
Speaker 5: then you have the chemical biologist. So what does that
Speaker 5: like kind of seem just out loud to everybody because
Speaker 5: it sounds like they found something or they're attempting to
Speaker 5: do something with space.
Speaker 2: Sounds, and as all of these things are going on
Speaker 2: around the time when allegedly because aliens right right, because
Speaker 2: Epstein list drop happened and we had to get the
Speaker 2: people to stop talking about that. So clearly we need
Speaker 2: to tantalize the public with aliens again and clearly we
Speaker 2: need ice raids to get people off of the whole
Speaker 2: Epstein thing, and then we need a war, right, we
Speaker 2: gotta start warring with somebody. You gotta stop talking about Epstein, Jeff,
Speaker 2: Who that island?
Speaker 4: Where? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 4: Kids?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 4: Pedophile ring? What we talk about?
Speaker 2: Now that aliens in space are getting up to the forefront,
Speaker 2: all these sciences that may or may not we believe
Speaker 2: may have had direct knowledge about the things that are
Speaker 2: about to go down, missing, dead, where about known?
Speaker 5: It's rather interesting, Like I think the ones that are missing,
Speaker 5: I do believe uh are still missing for a reason.
Speaker 5: I actually don't think that they're dead. I think that
Speaker 5: there is something larger happening at play. Now.
Speaker 3: Who is it connected to? I don't know.
Speaker 5: Could it be aliens that are taking them out on
Speaker 5: strategic maybe?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 5: Probably not, it's probably humans, but you know, for the
Speaker 5: sake of argument, we could have that talk. But you know,
Speaker 5: is it somebody Is it China that's taking them out
Speaker 5: strategically or is it them capturing them or getting information
Speaker 5: from them and then you know, getting rid of them.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Words Americans, you know, keeping them quiet from whatever it
Speaker 5: is that they saw or they were working on or
Speaker 5: you know, they they had knowledge in their fields that
Speaker 5: was so vital that they got got because the government
Speaker 5: doesn't want anybody knowing about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your guess, is as good as mine, honestly,
Speaker 2: and I have my idea. We're gonna we're gonna spit
Speaker 2: ball some ideas more towards the end. But all right,
Speaker 2: let's get to the thick of it here. Let's break
Speaker 2: them down one by one. So again we've already talked
Speaker 2: about the general, but here's the latest update.
Speaker 4: This is from News Nations.
Speaker 2: So the search for the retired Air Force general could
Speaker 2: end grimly. Ex FBI agent says, all right, again, let's
Speaker 2: just break it down here. So newly discovered information about
Speaker 2: the disappearance of retired Air Force Major General William Neil
Speaker 2: McCaslin does not bode well for the safe return of
Speaker 2: the sixty eight year old. A former FBI special agent suggests.
Speaker 2: Audio of the nine one one call from his spouse,
Speaker 2: Susan Wilkerson, made to emergency dispatchers on February twenty seventh,
Speaker 2: recently shed light on the circumstances of McCaslin leaving his
Speaker 2: Albuquerque New Mexico home on foot with a sidearm. I
Speaker 2: have some indication that he must have planned not to
Speaker 2: be found, said Wilkerson, his wife, who also cited medical
Speaker 2: problems her spouse had been experiencing. So she's thinking, or
Speaker 2: at least alleging, that this was him going off to
Speaker 2: take his own life essentially, or at least that's the
Speaker 2: way she's trying to word this.
Speaker 4: Well, let's go on here.
Speaker 3: So seems rather odd.
Speaker 2: You know, especially somebody who I've looked deeper into this.
Speaker 2: He did not suffer from dementia as far as we know.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have any kind of cancer that's riddling his
Speaker 2: body and eating him alive or any of that shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he had some medical problems. He's eighty six years old.
Speaker 2: That happened.
Speaker 3: He's number seven on the list, right.
Speaker 5: I think after the first two or three, I think
Speaker 5: maybe indicated to him that something is afoot, and so
Speaker 5: maybe to spare, maybe to spare her life, he took off. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe maybe he knew people were out to
Speaker 5: get him and he decided to take him head on.
Speaker 3: I don't know, who knows what could happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's get into it more so Jennifer Coffin Daffer. Wow,
Speaker 2: what an unfortunate last name? What Jennifer Coffin Daffer bro
Speaker 2: At that point, choose one goat.
Speaker 3: Go just be Coffin masical, he could be badass Daffer.
Speaker 4: Either one could be a last name.
Speaker 5: But like your name, miss Coffin, I mean the jokes
Speaker 5: that I would go along?
Speaker 2: Sorry, can you legitimately see her Coffin can seriously? Like
Speaker 2: in a in a courtroom setting, that's.
Speaker 3: That's like a guy I served with his last name
Speaker 3: was dick Off.
Speaker 2: Yo, Yeah, I know, it's not even joking. I had
Speaker 2: a girl in high school. Her name was Dickerhoof, and
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 3: Dicker hoof, Yes, yeah, dicker Hoof.
Speaker 4: And she was solid. She was one of my homies
Speaker 4: and all these things.
Speaker 3: But like, could you imagine if dicker Hoof met dick Off.
Speaker 2: It's funnier too because she was a lesbian. So that's
Speaker 2: that was the jokes throughout themselves.
Speaker 3: The names.
Speaker 5: Who made up these names, by the way, like let's
Speaker 5: really like just quick side tangent.
Speaker 3: People had to make up these names.
Speaker 2: Those asshole history an island whenever something made.
Speaker 5: These names up, and then they just like went with it.
Speaker 5: They could have at any point decided, you know what,
Speaker 5: that's not actually how you pronounce our name. Let's maybe
Speaker 5: change this into something now we're just gonna keep it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dig off and dick and hoof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's so like I understand the dudes of
Speaker 2: Staten Island that couldn't pronounce that shit was basically like,
Speaker 2: you know what, fuck it, this is how we doing it.
Speaker 4: So my my one of.
Speaker 2: My ex wives, her family's name when they got off
Speaker 2: the boat was Aloisio. So the dude in Staaten Island
Speaker 2: was like, m Lewis. There we go boom. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: took Aluisio and turned that into Lewis and so like
Speaker 2: that's a whole thing, right, all right, And I know
Speaker 2: that happens to a bunch of people whose names from
Speaker 2: the old Country didn't make it across. But I'm wondering
Speaker 2: how many of those assholes were specific in what they
Speaker 2: put down.
Speaker 4: Okay, Like, yeah, could.
Speaker 5: You imagine just being bored and start making people's last
Speaker 5: names up, just like absolutely just making up the most
Speaker 5: ridiculous shit and just be like, oh, well.
Speaker 2: I bet this was like coaufind' hafl sign or something.
Speaker 2: Like coffin daff or Yeah, there we go. I heard
Speaker 2: that puff and daff right anyway. Anyway, So excuse us,
Speaker 2: miss Jennifer, if you're listening to the pod. I don't
Speaker 2: mean to make fun, but I mean you've heard it before,
Speaker 2: You've had two of you live in America. Anyway, beside
Speaker 2: the point, So, Jennifer Coffendaffer News Nation Law and Justice
Speaker 2: contributor notes that McCaslin reportedly did not take his wallet,
Speaker 2: his phone, a tracking device, or even his glasses. So
Speaker 2: and again, I don't know if he needs these glasses
Speaker 2: to see far away.
Speaker 4: Were they readers? I'm just basic, you know, drugstore magnifiers.
Speaker 4: I don't know. But again, this would stand to reason
Speaker 4: that he had no intentions of coming home or being
Speaker 4: found for sure.
Speaker 5: But if his aliens and he knew, could be like
Speaker 5: he just knew that they were coming, or they'd been
Speaker 5: watching him and he just was like, you know what,
Speaker 5: let's go.
Speaker 2: It could be or could also be bad acting American government. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it could be the American government. It could be a
Speaker 2: foreign agent. It could be so many things. There's literally
Speaker 2: no crazy answers on this because the entire situation is
Speaker 2: so crazy that at this point, sure, like why the
Speaker 2: fuck not? It totally fucking could have been new Neptonians, Neptunians.
Speaker 4: I don't know what you would call.
Speaker 2: The ones from Neptune, the Neptune, Like we know what
Speaker 2: Martians are, but I don't know what them from Neptune
Speaker 2: is called Neptunians, Nepton's I don't fucking know.
Speaker 4: But it's at the point it could have been one
Speaker 4: of them that did it. Why, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe they knew him from their time at Right Patterson
Speaker 2: whenever Area fifty one and the Roswell crash happened, like
Speaker 2: don't I don't know, But to say that aliens abducted
Speaker 2: him is honestly not the craziest fucking opportunity or the
Speaker 2: craziest option on the table.
Speaker 4: That's the wild part. That's not the craziest.
Speaker 5: I just don't think it's like that far fetch, especially
Speaker 5: with what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So continuing on here from Coffin Daffer, I truly
Speaker 2: believe he left in this situation not to be found again,
Speaker 2: which okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, based on the known facts.
Speaker 2: Coffendaffer said she doesn't put much stock in speculation at
Speaker 2: Macastle was targeted because of his past involvement with secret
Speaker 2: government programs that may have included UFOs. So she doesn't
Speaker 2: think that that has anything to do with this whatsoever,
Speaker 2: And it.
Speaker 3: Should be a big red flag for everybody. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: as soon as the media.
Speaker 5: It's like, there has nothing to do with UFOs. Look
Speaker 5: over there, it's like, wait this okay.
Speaker 2: So clearly this guy was the one that certified people's
Speaker 2: top secret clearances. He was the one who worked directly
Speaker 2: under the top dog, who was over the entire department
Speaker 2: over who got what disclosure within the government.
Speaker 4: Clearly that has nothing to do with his What are
Speaker 4: we fucking talking about, Coffin Daffer?
Speaker 2: What are we doing?
Speaker 3: Nearly nothing, nothing at all.
Speaker 4: Coffin Daffer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're finding ways to say her name.
Speaker 2: Coffin Daffer. I can't do it like I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find out Draco malfoy way of doing it.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't have the same I didn't. It doesn't
Speaker 2: have the.
Speaker 4: Same like red and it's this PoTA you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: But like, so obviously since I mentioned this, we clearly
Speaker 5: are going to more lean towards the UFO situation, especially
Speaker 5: since how many of them are dead and missing. Well,
Speaker 5: you two were missing. A couple of them are dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And again again we don't know his whereabouts. It's
Speaker 2: very possible that he is dead in a cave somewhere
Speaker 2: in the desert right now.
Speaker 4: It's very possible.
Speaker 2: But is how probable, right, and how likely is it that,
Speaker 2: especially this guy that had this level of clearance. This
Speaker 2: wasn't like some desk jockey, like I mean, he was,
Speaker 2: but not not in the way that we're thinking.
Speaker 4: Like, he wasn't some data analysts somewhere right.
Speaker 2: He wasn't. Uh, he wasn't working at some small logistics
Speaker 2: space and maybe knew a thing or two he wasn't
Speaker 2: supposed to. So he had dudes in you know, black
Speaker 2: tacked out suits coming and kicking in his door because
Speaker 2: he knew a thing he shouldn't have. No, your boy
Speaker 2: had national secrets, like he absolutely knew things that most
Speaker 2: human beings don't know. And for him to just.
Speaker 5: Go to standard reason them being kidnapped by national by
Speaker 5: people that are going against America, especially with old Girl,
Speaker 5: the first one that went missing and her you know
Speaker 5: rocket foreign rocket propulsion technology.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna talk about her next.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So with them, With them two alone, that would stand
Speaker 5: a reason that they got kidnapped by Russia, China, you name,
Speaker 5: North Korea, whoever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, now with that also, I have heard it proposed.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much weight there is to this,
Speaker 2: but i've heard it proposed that mccaslin's disappearance is actually
Speaker 2: more in line and connected with the Epstein files, not
Speaker 2: that he was on them or he's not.
Speaker 5: Actually I checked every name so far in the list,
Speaker 5: and the only one that came up with a flag
Speaker 5: was the last one, number nine right, and it was
Speaker 5: flagged in newspaper clippings that Epstein kept. Ye, and there
Speaker 5: was an article that was produced every couple months, and
Speaker 5: Epstein would get these lowdowns and he was a part
Speaker 5: of this big chain. For those of you that haven't
Speaker 5: looked into stuff, he was part of this big change
Speaker 5: that had all the big wigs to the Clintons, the
Speaker 5: Obama everybody in this email chain, and pretty much it
Speaker 5: was breaking down foreign foreign policies or foreign issues, national issues, money,
Speaker 5: you name it. It's this like giant pretty much a
Speaker 5: sit rep of what's happening in the world. And that
Speaker 5: his name got flagged in that other than that, all
Speaker 5: the other ones are completely clean, which for those of
Speaker 5: everyone that's been looking at scientists, for them to all
Speaker 5: be clean and be that high in their fields, they
Speaker 5: had to have been after Epstein or not dealing in
Speaker 5: the same circles that drew them into Epstein.
Speaker 2: So well.
Speaker 4: So that's the point here.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that mcaslin had had some sort of
Speaker 2: an island connection, not in the physical sense.
Speaker 4: I have heard it speculated that.
Speaker 2: He would have known who was and wasn't on the list,
Speaker 2: like the actual factual names, because he was the person
Speaker 2: that got the clearance for all the things he was
Speaker 2: Whenever the FBI had to hire five hundred new people
Speaker 2: specifically to redact how many times Donald Trump's name was
Speaker 2: mentioned in those files, right, they had to get a
Speaker 2: bunch of clearances done with a quickness to see that.
Speaker 2: So it would stand to reason that they would have
Speaker 2: had to go through somebody that McCaslin knew.
Speaker 4: So I don't.
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not saying that there's a direct line here.
Speaker 2: I have heard some people speculated.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't personally believe that that's what this is about, either,
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying if we're gonna talk about all
Speaker 2: the possibilities, we might as.
Speaker 4: Well bring that one up as well.
Speaker 2: There are some internet forums and some places where you'll
Speaker 2: find people saying that macass Upland's Epstein connections weren't like
Speaker 2: I said. They're not a direct line. They're more like tertiary.
Speaker 2: But beside the point, we're moving forward anyway, based on
Speaker 2: the known facts. We talked about that. So, the missing
Speaker 2: Air Force general's wife told nine to one one that
Speaker 2: he planned not to be found. My husband is missing.
Speaker 2: It has been about three hours, and I have some
Speaker 2: indication that he must have planned not to be found.
Speaker 2: That's what she told the dispatcher in an audio obtained
Speaker 2: by law on Crime Network.
Speaker 4: I think he's on foot. All of our cars and
Speaker 4: bicycles are in the.
Speaker 2: Garage, so we don't even know if he's on foot,
Speaker 2: like we it's possible he got picked up by a
Speaker 2: car or you know, taken space path spacecraft or levitated.
Speaker 2: We're right, we don't find him, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Wilkerson told the dispatch that she had left for a
Speaker 2: doctor's appointment and returned about an hour later to find
Speaker 2: her husband gone. She noted that his phone was turned
Speaker 2: off and left behind, which she explained seems kind of
Speaker 2: deliberate because he's always got his phone. So this is
Speaker 2: the guy William Neil McCaslin. And that's about it as
Speaker 2: far as that one goes. So let's get into the
Speaker 2: next one here. We talked about McCastle in a bit
Speaker 2: on the episode about a week and a half ago,
Speaker 2: so we might as well just go into the next
Speaker 2: one here. So nine one one call reveals new information
Speaker 2: about double murder.
Speaker 4: Suicide in Miami Valley.
Speaker 2: Okay, now this is the soap opera one where I
Speaker 2: don't know all of the connections, but there's clearly a
Speaker 2: connection to.
Speaker 4: Be made here. But let's talk about it here.
Speaker 2: Nine one one calls revealed new information about a double
Speaker 2: murder suicide in Miami Valley over the weekend. For the record,
Speaker 2: we are not talking about Miami, Florida. We're talking about Miami, Ohio,
Speaker 2: which didn't know that was a thing until this.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 2: As news reported on New seven Center New Center seven
Speaker 2: at six West, Milton, Police Chief Doyle Wright confirmed the
Speaker 2: couple found early Saturday morning lived in Hubver Heights or
Speaker 2: Huber Heights, I don't know. However, authorities aren't sure why
Speaker 2: Jacob Pritchard drove to Miami County near early Saturday, but
Speaker 2: they do believe he killed his wife, Jamie Pritchard. They
Speaker 2: also believe he killed twenty five year old Jamie Gustitis
Speaker 2: in Sugar Creek Township. The news station obtained nine to
Speaker 2: one one calls that were made in Green County about
Speaker 2: three hours before Jacob traveled north direct quote here, I
Speaker 2: peecked my head out the door and there was a
Speaker 2: guy on their deck and I said hello, and he said,
Speaker 2: get back in. We have a gun, and he jumped
Speaker 2: off the deck and ran. So apparently the guy Jacob,
Speaker 2: after killing his wife and stuffn her in the trunk
Speaker 2: of the car, drove to the other Jamie's house and
Speaker 2: was banging on the door with a pistol, and apparently
Speaker 2: I don't know at what point he was successful in
Speaker 2: breaking in and shooting her as well, but a neighbor
Speaker 2: heard the commotion and he said, we have a gun.
Speaker 2: So again, I don't know if he was out of
Speaker 2: his mind, but the neighbor says she only saw one
Speaker 2: guy on the porch, so I don't know. We'll get
Speaker 2: back and we'll read more into it here. So the
Speaker 2: panic caller brought Sugar Creek Township police to a condo
Speaker 2: at the Sugar Point New Point Homes, Sugar Point New
Speaker 2: Point Homes. Good God, about two am on Saturday. He
Speaker 2: woke me up out of a dead sleep. He was
Speaker 2: pounding on.
Speaker 4: The door with something, she told dispatchers.
Speaker 2: Police started their investigation after finding Gustiitis dead, but it
Speaker 2: widened after West Milton police found a suspicious car in
Speaker 2: the city's Buildings parking lot. Inside the trunk, officers found
Speaker 2: thirty three year old Janie Pritcher dead. Her thirty four
Speaker 2: year old husband, Jacob Pritcher, was found next to the car,
Speaker 2: dead from an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound. The couple
Speaker 2: lived in Humor Heights, and the violence shocked the neighbors,
Speaker 2: which apparently this is like a really quiet suburb. We're
Speaker 2: all shocked, Like I'm shocked. We're heartbroken and sick to
Speaker 2: our stomachs about all this, and worried about the kids.
Speaker 2: One neighbor previous told them so. Apparently they had three kids.
Speaker 2: Wright said. Police don't believe the children saw or knew
Speaker 2: what happened. Investigators in Hubert Heights and Sugar Creek Township
Speaker 2: are now working with the West Milton Police. Officers haven't
Speaker 2: revealed a motive, but did identify Gustitis as an active
Speaker 2: duty Air Force member and said both the preachers worked
Speaker 2: there as civilian employees, so they all worked on right, Patterson,
Speaker 2: Just we're all on the same page here. Police say
Speaker 2: they are just at the beginning of the investigation and
Speaker 2: haven't determined a motive at this time. New Center seven
Speaker 2: will continue to follow this story. So this is from
Speaker 2: October twenty seventh, of twenty twenty five. There is still
Speaker 2: no motive, but let's get into it here. So People
Speaker 2: magazine believe it or not. We got two articles from
Speaker 2: People today and man, here's the quote. Here's the title.
Speaker 2: He murdered his wife, left her in open trunk and
Speaker 2: then killed himself and the trail of blood didn't stop
Speaker 2: there sor right, break it down a little bit further here,
Speaker 2: authorities are investigating the apparent murder of US Air Force
Speaker 2: lieutenant in Ohio who was fatally shot by a coworker
Speaker 2: with authorities say went on to kill his wife and
Speaker 2: then himself. So this is saying that apparently they the
Speaker 2: wife and him went to kill Jamie, and then he
Speaker 2: killed his wife and put her in the in the
Speaker 2: trunk and then drove the car somewhere and killed himself.
Speaker 4: Slightly different time events.
Speaker 5: But okay, okay, but like, why why go out of
Speaker 5: their way to go and kill her?
Speaker 4: And apparently this is not a small drive like her
Speaker 4: that way?
Speaker 5: So what connection I mean, even if this was a
Speaker 5: love triangle situation, what connection did they have between between
Speaker 5: a financial person in this science place, an aerospace at
Speaker 5: recon and a human performance wing person. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 5: really interesting thing. I wonder what they'd Maybe maybe they
Speaker 5: discovered stuff, maybe they all individually found something, or maybe
Speaker 5: I mean, they could be it could be a love
Speaker 5: triangle and it had just gone sour I guess maybe,
Speaker 5: or it could be something else.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Let's read more. Let's see what's up here.
Speaker 2: So the Air Force First Lieutenant Jamie Gustiitis, twenty five
Speaker 2: at the Sugar Creek Township, Ohio, was murdered when Jacob
Speaker 2: Richard at Hebert Heights broken to her apartment at two
Speaker 2: am on Saturday, October twenty fifth and fatally shot her.
Speaker 4: According to a press release from the police.
Speaker 2: Department, Pritchard had also killed his wife, Jamie Pritchard thirty
Speaker 2: three place or dead body in the trunk of the car,
Speaker 2: and at four twenty two am drove to the West
Speaker 2: Milton Municipal parking lot, where he died by suicide a
Speaker 2: minute later near the open trunk. Pritchard left the trunk
Speaker 2: open so officers who found him would also find Jamie
Speaker 2: in the trunk. According to the sh Arif's Office, who
Speaker 2: had reviewed surveillance footage of the incident, authorities said they
Speaker 2: do not know when or where Jamie was killed and
Speaker 2: are currently investigating the timeline of events. Now, questions are
Speaker 2: swirling about Pritchard or why Pritchard killed Gustitas, a work
Speaker 2: acquaintance of the couple, so they're not even sure if
Speaker 2: they were like friends. They just knew that they worked
Speaker 2: in the same on the same base. But right, Patterson
Speaker 2: is not a small base. It's also not like a
Speaker 2: massive installation either. It's it's a decent.
Speaker 5: Tell me they didn't go through their phone records or
Speaker 5: their emails or the text messages or anything. I mean,
Speaker 5: not necessarily, just a random person that they decided, So
Speaker 5: I don't I don't see that happening so right.
Speaker 2: Patterson Air Force Base, where the three worked, said in
Speaker 2: a release that Gustiitis and Jacob worked in the Air
Speaker 2: Force Research Laboratory, so they worked directly or at least
Speaker 2: semi close together, and Jamie worked in life cycle management center,
Speaker 2: so it's the wife worked in those So they.
Speaker 5: Set it up to seem like this was the wife
Speaker 5: found out about the affair, he killed her, then he'd
Speaker 5: drove all the way over there to kill old girl
Speaker 5: and then kill himself.
Speaker 4: It didn't It doesn't make sense. None of it does.
Speaker 5: Or they were working on something that involved human performance
Speaker 5: and aerospace reconnaissance, so being able to put people in
Speaker 5: space that they're doing recon potentially of some hype and
Speaker 5: they maybe maybe they discovered something or I don't know,
Speaker 5: maybe they I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I could see a potential that this was like maybe
Speaker 2: a love triangle situation. Maybe he had a work wife,
Speaker 2: younger woman that she's only twenty five, right, she was
Speaker 2: a first lieutenant, so she had only been out of
Speaker 2: college for a couple of years.
Speaker 4: This is probably her first.
Speaker 2: Duty station on very real levels, and perhaps this was
Speaker 2: a love affair that went wrong and he just hated
Speaker 2: his wife and his three kids and didn't see any
Speaker 2: way out.
Speaker 4: So he you know, that's that's possible.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm murder suicides happened all the time, love triangles happened,
Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying That Like, individually, if this
Speaker 2: was the only thing, okay, it's wild, but sure, crazier
Speaker 2: shit has happened. It's the combination of all of these
Speaker 2: individual instances and how the connections are to where it's like, Okay, no,
Speaker 2: there's way too many red flags on the play for
Speaker 2: us to side step the entirety. But anyway, all right,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna talk more about them later on when
Speaker 2: we get to the speculation side of things. But now
Speaker 2: let's talk about the rocket scientists with ties to the
Speaker 2: missing Air Force general associated with UFOs disappearing under early
Speaker 2: similar circumstances. So we've already talked about General McCaslin disappearing.
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit more about Monica Reza. She
Speaker 2: went missing on the morning of June twenty second, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, in the Angelus National Forest, where hiking with
Speaker 2: two experienced companions who were exploring the popular Mount Waterman Trail.
Speaker 2: According to a Facebook page, dedicad to finding her, so
Speaker 2: she wasn't alone. She went hiking with two of her
Speaker 2: friends to a very popular hiking trail, so there's gonna
Speaker 2: be even if she like slipped and hurt herself and
Speaker 2: fell down or whatever, there's gonna be someone that's right
Speaker 2: there that could see her. And the two people that
Speaker 2: were with her, she was behind them a good bit
Speaker 2: but they didn't think anything of it, and then she's
Speaker 2: just gone.
Speaker 4: But okay.
Speaker 2: Volunteers and authorities searched the area for months using helicopters, radars,
Speaker 2: droves of hikers, and dogs, but it found no trace
Speaker 2: of Reza, sixty, who was still considered a missing person
Speaker 2: according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. Reza used
Speaker 2: the last name Jacinto and her wildly success professional career
Speaker 2: as a materials scientist at Aerojet Rocket Dye, which was
Speaker 2: funded for years by NASA and the Air Force Research Laboratory,
Speaker 2: according to Space News. So this is her in her
Speaker 2: professional setting, but again in any of her public or
Speaker 2: as a professional papers, you'll find Wasinta as her last name.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Reza, who used last name Wassina professionally, is
Speaker 2: the creator of a super alloy which was funded by
Speaker 2: an Air Force lab that was headed up by missing
Speaker 2: retired Air Force General William mccasle, and we talked about that.
Speaker 2: Her patented nickelbased super alloy Mondeloyd brought her into the
Speaker 2: orbit of McCaslin, who oversaw the Air Force group that
Speaker 2: funded research in the early two thousands into advanced materials
Speaker 2: needed for reusable space vehicles and weapons. McCaslin was Material
Speaker 2: Wing director of the Air Force Research Laboratory Space Vehicle
Speaker 2: Directorate and commander of the Phillips Research Site at Kurland
Speaker 2: Air Force Base from one to four, which would directly
Speaker 2: pertain to Resl's research, according to his official Air Force biography.
Speaker 2: Because Mondaloi is a familiar is a family of alloys,
Speaker 2: I worked with the Air Force to scale up production,
Speaker 2: look at different processing methods, and get the material ready
Speaker 2: for insertion into a rocket engine. She told Space News
Speaker 2: this in twenty seventeen. Aerojet Rocketdyne achieved a major milestone
Speaker 2: and rocket engine Technologies in twenty sixteen based on Rezl's advancement.
Speaker 2: According to Air Force press release, an objective of this
Speaker 2: program is to help eliminate the US's reliance on foreign
Speaker 2: rocket propulsion technology, Major General Tom Maselo. Yeah, the AFURL
Speaker 2: commander set at the time, this is key to ensuring
Speaker 2: our national security, and the people of the Rocket Propulsion
Speaker 2: Division are making impressive strides in achieving our goal. Aerojet
Speaker 2: rocketdine was sold in twenty twenty three for a whopping
Speaker 2: four point seven billion dollars to military defense contractor ELPs
Speaker 2: three Technologies. Yeah, if you look on their website, Aerojet
Speaker 2: Rocket nine is owned by L three to this day.
Speaker 2: Which we already talked about mcaslin. I'm not gonna waste
Speaker 2: anybody's time talking about him more, but it is worth mentioning.
Speaker 2: He went missing just six days after Trump announced that
Speaker 2: he would be releasing files pertaining to UFOs and aliens.
Speaker 2: McCaslin was a gatekeeper and a participant in the UFO community,
Speaker 2: a source previously told the Post. So, I feel like
Speaker 2: we can't we can't understate that so as far as
Speaker 2: this goes, Actually, no, we're gonna play this quick little
Speaker 2: news clip talking about it more here. Some of it's
Speaker 2: going to restate what we already talked about, but it's
Speaker 2: very interesting to hear it from this perspective. Reza was
Speaker 2: not a low lying individual as far as this goes.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying she was necessarily a Tony Stark type figure,
Speaker 2: but she was absolutely a leader in her field and
Speaker 2: in her industry.
Speaker 4: So let's watch this together. For at hired.
Speaker 7: Air Force general who vanished in New Mexico. William mccaslan
Speaker 7: went missing last month. Members of Congress are warning this
Speaker 7: could be a national security issue. The general was involved
Speaker 7: with the Pentagon's most advanced aerospace research. He oversaw a
Speaker 7: classified space weapons program. McCasland was in charge of the
Speaker 7: Air Force Research Lab at a base in Ohio. It's
Speaker 7: rumored that base holds extra terrestrial debris from the Roswell
Speaker 7: crash site. The general was tied in with the UFO community,
Speaker 7: A source told The New York Post the general was
Speaker 7: a gatekeeper for anything UFO related in the Air Force.
Speaker 7: He retired due to mental fog, but investigators say he's
Speaker 7: still highly intelligent and capable. McCasland was an avid hiker.
Speaker 7: His wife last saw him leaving with a backpack and
Speaker 7: a thirty eight revolver, no phone, no glasses. He disappeared
Speaker 7: six days right after Trump announced he was releasing the
Speaker 7: UFO files, and he's not the only one. Eight months
Speaker 7: before the General vanished, a rocket scientists who worked under
Speaker 7: him years ago also went missing. She was hiking in
Speaker 7: California with two other people. They saw her smiling and
Speaker 7: waving thirty feet behind them. When they turned back again,
Speaker 7: she was gone, vanished in plain sight. They searched for
Speaker 7: days and couldn't find any trace of her. This is
Speaker 7: a very very strange situation. And eleven days before the
Speaker 7: General disappeared, another scientist was shot dead on his porch.
Speaker 7: Carl Grillmar was known for discovering signs of water on
Speaker 7: a distant planet, and he was gunned down in California.
Speaker 7: Freddie Snyder was later charged with his murder. He has
Speaker 7: a rap sheet, but was led out of jail by
Speaker 7: a newsome appointed judge weeks before he allegedly killed the scientist.
Speaker 7: We still don't know his motive, and we don't know
Speaker 7: if these cases are even connected, but this many top
Speaker 7: scientists getting killed or going missing and just under a
Speaker 7: year looks like a major red flag. Chris Schwecker is
Speaker 7: a former assistant FBI director. Chris the you know the
Speaker 7: mind goes right to a foreign intelligence service is that
Speaker 7: where your gut tells you this is going towards Yeah, it.
Speaker 4: Is, Jesse.
Speaker 6: I mean, I understand the the UFO angle has a
Speaker 6: lot of interest and people love to kind of dabble
Speaker 6: in that area with their theories. But if you look
Speaker 6: at these two, they were both involved in very very
Speaker 6: sensitive rocket propulsion programs associated with missiles and space travel.
Speaker 6: And there was one particular piece of technology, type of
Speaker 6: certain type of metal that really liberated us from having
Speaker 6: to rely on Russian Soviet technology back in the day.
Speaker 6: So it's really sensitive stuff. I'm not a big believer
Speaker 6: in coincidences. So you know, if I were, if I
Speaker 6: were heading up the FBI Field Office or the FBI
Speaker 6: right now, I would have a full team on this
Speaker 6: one just to make sure. I mean, I'd look at everything,
Speaker 6: dissect their lives, and just see if there's any connection
Speaker 6: to some hostile foreign intelligence service. They want that information.
Speaker 6: They've been working to get it for years and years.
Speaker 6: You know, India, Pakistan, even some of our friends are
Speaker 6: trying to get that type of technology from us, and
Speaker 6: they'd stop at nothing to get it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we did hear reports that the UFOs that were
Speaker 7: recovered are being exploited to I guess, take advantage of
Speaker 7: whatever technology that's so advanced, and we could apply that
Speaker 7: to our military, and there's kind of an arms race,
Speaker 7: you know, who could ramp up this UFO technology the fastest.
Speaker 7: Would that be a motive and also a financial motive too, well.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, the motivation to get your hands on
Speaker 6: that technicology cuts both ways, you know, the one they
Speaker 6: would like to socially engineer their way into it, get
Speaker 6: it that way, get it through some sort of other
Speaker 6: methods that they use are getting into our military bases
Speaker 6: with plants, and in some cases they'll compromise a scientist,
Speaker 6: and that you know, that can lead to problems, of course,
Speaker 6: to lead the problems. But he left with a thirty
Speaker 6: eight caliber weapon and a backpack and no wallet, no phone,
Speaker 6: So you wonder what he was really up to here.
Speaker 6: You know, he did he anticipate not coming back, no wallet,
Speaker 6: no phone, and what was he doing with the thirty
Speaker 6: eight caliber weapon? You wonder if he was you know,
Speaker 6: if he had been compromised and he was going to,
Speaker 6: you know, take the extreme measures to deal with it himself.
Speaker 2: So I gotta say, if these people were all abducted
Speaker 2: from their homes some sort of or even just abducted.
Speaker 2: In general, I would say, like in you know, maybe
Speaker 2: their car was broken into, there was a carjacking gone awry,
Speaker 2: and we haven't seen them yet, anything like that.
Speaker 4: I would say it was.
Speaker 2: Probably more likely a foreign agency or something along these lines.
Speaker 2: The way in which two of these three that were
Speaker 2: just mentioned were taking it doesn't that doesn't read to
Speaker 2: me like a foreign agency did this. It's possible. Yes,
Speaker 2: it doesn't sound like it's to me, but they think
Speaker 2: it does, right, it absolutely does. So now they brought
Speaker 2: up that third one, the Caltech astrophysicist that was killed
Speaker 2: at his home, gunned down, they said, and there is
Speaker 2: a guy that was charged. I don't necessarily believe that
Speaker 2: he's the one that did it, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: And if he was, I also find it interesting that
Speaker 2: he already had a long rap sheet and was let
Speaker 2: go by a judge that Newsom appointed, because Gavin Newsom's
Speaker 2: a piece of shit. But this dude, who was already
Speaker 2: charged with violent crimes was let go and then right
Speaker 2: then went to go kill this dude.
Speaker 4: Sounds like somebody And if that guy.
Speaker 2: Was the one that did it, hypothetically, it sounds like
Speaker 2: somebody might have put him up to a job, right,
Speaker 2: A little hitman action, little desperado action.
Speaker 4: But anyway, let's read more about it.
Speaker 2: Twenty nine year old man charged with killing renowned Caltech
Speaker 2: astrophysicists at his Lano home so Lono, California. A twenty
Speaker 2: nine year old Lono man is in custody charged with
Speaker 2: killing a Caltech astrophysicist Monday after carjacking his own relative
Speaker 2: and burglarizing a home. La County Sheriff detectives say sixty
Speaker 2: seven year old Carl Grillmaller Grill Maayre rather was found
Speaker 2: shot to death on the porch of his home in
Speaker 2: rural Lano. Deputies had arrested Freddy Snyder later in the
Speaker 2: day for carjacking and soon linked him to Grill maayre shooting.
Speaker 2: They arrested him for a carjacking and then conveniently, Oh,
Speaker 2: this really renowned scientist just got shot on his porch
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. Hey, you're a violent criminal. Did you
Speaker 2: happen to pass by that a gay?
Speaker 4: Sure enough you did?
Speaker 2: Why not? Hey, here you go. So deputies had arrested
Speaker 2: Freddy Snyder already talked about that. The motive for the
Speaker 2: shooting has not been released, and detectives don't believe the
Speaker 2: two men knew each other.
Speaker 5: Again, so just randomly went out of his way in
Speaker 5: the middle of nowhere just to shoot this man. Clearly,
Speaker 5: I wonder if there's any you know, I wonder if
Speaker 5: they actually looked at his house and any of his
Speaker 5: research was gone.
Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: So Snyder had been arrested in December after trespassing on
Speaker 2: Grillmayer's property while carrying a rifle.
Speaker 4: So they didn't know each other.
Speaker 2: But he was arrested on his property already, and he
Speaker 2: had a rifle in his hands.
Speaker 3: That's not weird or anything. So they have no connection.
Speaker 5: Just randomly this man s's with a rifle in his
Speaker 5: hands on your property, gets arrested, then comes back and
Speaker 5: kills you.
Speaker 3: Right for what purpose?
Speaker 2: So it sounds like back to what I was saying
Speaker 2: about him possibly being a hit Man type of thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm not when I say hit man, Please good
Speaker 2: cult members do not think that. I mean like the
Speaker 2: movie hit Man, where these like super top secret, highly
Speaker 2: trained advanced dudes are just doing all this sexy James
Speaker 2: Bonch it, no, No, Typically a hit man murder is
Speaker 2: a lot messier. You know, you find some guy that's
Speaker 2: got literally nothing left to lose, and you pay.
Speaker 4: Him, you know, you offer him anyway twenty.
Speaker 2: Grand to go take out somebody, and you know, you
Speaker 2: pay him half now half. After the job's done, he
Speaker 2: uses a little bit of that money to go buy
Speaker 2: the weapon of choice. He goes and does the job,
Speaker 2: and if he gets caught, I don't know, never met
Speaker 2: the guy. You give him fake names, you give it
Speaker 2: you know, you do all these things to where he's
Speaker 2: he's basically seen as like the torpedo. He's the guy
Speaker 2: that's gonna go in and do the things. And if
Speaker 2: he gets got that's a hymn problem. If he successfully
Speaker 2: completes the mission and comes back to you, then like cool,
Speaker 2: you still might you know, stick him with the bill
Speaker 2: anyway and kill him afterwards, just to silence any loose ends.
Speaker 4: That's a very you know, known thing.
Speaker 2: But it stands to reason that that seems like what's
Speaker 2: really going on here, especially whenever these two had never
Speaker 2: actually met, and Snyder, who had a long rap sheet,
Speaker 2: it's not like he was really delving into the astrophysicist
Speaker 2: you know, realms. It's not like this was a former
Speaker 2: student that was spurned by his professor or anything like that.
Speaker 4: There's no connections to be found here. But okay, let's
Speaker 4: keep going.
Speaker 2: Grill Maher had worked at Caltech as an astronomer and
Speaker 2: an astrophysicist for thirty years, twenty six of those years
Speaker 2: with fellow scientists Sergio Fajardo Acosta, these names, I swear. Okay,
Speaker 2: you just sent me another article with wich one is
Speaker 2: this about?
Speaker 5: Oh, this is just a shit ton of missing scientists
Speaker 5: actually one hundred and sixteen of them that have been
Speaker 5: murdered and stuff in the last like less than a decade,
Speaker 5: well the last decade pretty much. And they're all connected
Speaker 5: to each other. And like I was reading into I
Speaker 5: found more. There was one that was killed in Greece
Speaker 5: and they don't understand why she got killed.
Speaker 3: She was found in the we'll.
Speaker 2: Get to that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, take away from what we're doing now.
Speaker 3: That's why I just sent it.
Speaker 5: I was just yeah, yeah, but I was just found
Speaker 5: all of these scientists that all somehow are connected.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2: Are they connected to what's going on currently or just
Speaker 2: other stuff?
Speaker 5: Uh, They're scientists in all different types of fields. To
Speaker 5: be honest with you, they're they're all over the place.
Speaker 5: But there's in nuclear engineers, there's people that work in antarctica.
Speaker 3: There's all sorts of stuff, aerospace, sow all right.
Speaker 2: So getting back to Grill Maher, what was unique about
Speaker 2: Carl in his irreplaceable and he is irreplaceable was the
Speaker 2: ingenuity and creativity, applying methods that nobody had ever thought
Speaker 2: of before in very unique detective type methods. For Hara
Speaker 2: Costo said, he was extremely hard working, extremely creative, and
Speaker 2: the most generous individual.
Speaker 4: One could imagine.
Speaker 2: Grill Maher was renowned for his studies on the collisions
Speaker 2: of galaxies and the search for water on planets outside
Speaker 2: of our solar system. Snyder had charged has been charged
Speaker 2: with several felonies, including murder, burglary, and carjacking. His bail
Speaker 2: has been set at two million dollars. So anyway, anyway,
Speaker 2: it's the connections are there. Let's go ahead and listen
Speaker 2: to this real quick, and it's going to tell us
Speaker 2: more about the situation.
Speaker 8: What five, a Caltech scientist is being remembered by colleagues
Speaker 8: after he was shot and killed right outside his home.
Speaker 8: The shooting happened in Yano, an area right between Palmdale
Speaker 8: and Victorville.
Speaker 2: I with as soon as order.
Speaker 8: Rob Hayes Live Pasadena with more on what happened. Rod.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the motive behind this murder has not been released
Speaker 9: just yet, but we do know that the man suspected
Speaker 9: of killing that cal Tech scientist was arrested on his
Speaker 9: property with a rifle just a couple months ago. Caltech,
Speaker 9: who is Carl Grillmaer's professional home for the past thirty years.
Speaker 9: Here his life centered on the science of the vast
Speaker 9: emptiness of space, but it was crime in the vast
Speaker 9: emptiness of the Analope Valley that took his life. The
Speaker 9: sixty seven year old astrophysicist was gunned down Monday on
Speaker 9: the porch of his home in the barren stretches of Yano,
Speaker 9: the middle of nowhere, which was perfect for his home
Speaker 9: built observatory.
Speaker 3: You need very dark skies, and that's why he built
Speaker 3: a nice little oratory up there.
Speaker 9: Sergio Fajardo Acosta worked alongside grill Maare for more than
Speaker 9: a quarter century, the two studying the collisions of galaxies
Speaker 9: and searching for water on planets outside our Solar system
Speaker 9: sheriff's deputy. He's found Grill Mayor shot to death early
Speaker 9: Monday morning outside his home. A short time later, while
Speaker 9: working on a carjacking case, they arrested twenty nine year
Speaker 9: old Freddy Snyder, also of Jano, and linked him to
Speaker 9: Grillmayer's death. He's been charged with several crimes, including murder, burglary,
Speaker 9: and carjacking. Investigators don't believe Snyder or Grill Mayor knew
Speaker 9: each other, but Snyder was arrested in December for trespassing
Speaker 9: with a rifle on Grill Maayre's property at count Tech.
Speaker 9: The murderers left the campus reeling the loss of an
Speaker 9: award winning astrophysicist.
Speaker 2: Well, what's unique about Karl and he is irreplaceable is
Speaker 2: the ingenuity. Okay, so they're going to kind of talk
Speaker 2: more about and reiterate what we just talked about in
Speaker 2: the article. But anyway, all right, so let's get deeper
Speaker 2: into it here. So this is actually from a substack
Speaker 2: from Jessica Reed. Krauss shouts out to her, the second
Speaker 2: scientist shot dead on the front porch of a California home.
Speaker 4: So let's get into it here.
Speaker 2: Asher physicist called Grillmar was shot dead at his home
Speaker 2: in California desert this week. He was studying comments and
Speaker 2: asteroids that pose a threat to Earth. Three months ago,
Speaker 2: Nuno Loreo, probably mispronouncing it, a plasma specialist and professor
Speaker 2: at MIT suffered the same fate, and we're going to
Speaker 2: get to him next, so let's talk about it here.
Speaker 2: So something is up with the Brown shooting. A friend
Speaker 2: told me weeks ago, flagging it as one of those
Speaker 2: high interest stories that slipped beneath the national radar within
Speaker 2: without ever fully surfacing. He was talking about the university
Speaker 2: slaying that left a renowned physicist dead inside his home.
Speaker 2: Nuno Felipe Gomez Lorero on't know, was a professor and
Speaker 2: research director steering serious scientific inquiry. At first glance, it
Speaker 2: looked to be an isolated act of senseless violence, possibly targeted,
Speaker 2: but it barely registered beyond a passing headline. Eight weeks later,
Speaker 2: we have another headline with eerily similar contours, an early
Speaker 2: morning call at a private residence or another scientists, this
Speaker 2: time in California's high desert just after six am Monday.
Speaker 2: Detectives with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's department responded to
Speaker 2: reports of an assault with a deadly weapon in Lanno,
Speaker 2: or remote stretch of northern Los Angeles County. On his
Speaker 2: front porch, they found sixty seven year old astrophysicist Carl
Speaker 2: Grillmer suffering from a gunshot womb. Paramedics attempted life saving measures.
Speaker 2: He was pronounced dead at the scene. Colleagues were quick
Speaker 2: to stress that Grillmare was no obscure academic. His work
Speaker 2: was described as ingenious and foundational. He contributed to the
Speaker 2: discovery of water on a distant planet, of finding often
Speaker 2: cited as a telltale sign that conditions there may be
Speaker 2: hospitable for life. Another collaborator said he would be remembered
Speaker 2: for identifying galactic streams that reshaped how scientists map and
Speaker 2: understand the structure of the cosmos. While homicide detectives process
Speaker 2: the same, deputies from Palmdale Sheriff Station were sped on
Speaker 2: into a nearby carjacking and arrested twenty nine year old
Speaker 2: Freddy Snyder. He was later named a person of interest
Speaker 2: in the killing and formally charged with murder, carjacking, and burglary.
Speaker 2: We already talked about this. He remains in custody on
Speaker 2: a two million dollar bail. No motive had been released.
Speaker 2: Right authorities have said that the men that have not
Speaker 2: said the men knew each other, nor have they characterized
Speaker 2: the shooting as targeted. I find that strange whenever we
Speaker 2: know that he was arrested on that property.
Speaker 4: But whatever.
Speaker 2: Still, those tracking it are rightfully skeptical over the coincidence,
Speaker 2: the fact that the two respected scientists versus aversed implanetary
Speaker 2: catastrophes were shot at their homes within weeks of each other,
Speaker 2: and media just scraped right over it. So let's get
Speaker 2: into this whole Carl situation. This is home, it's in
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere, like it's desert. You have to
Speaker 2: go out of your way to find this guy. And
Speaker 2: it's not like this guy was going down his street
Speaker 2: and popping every single person at these houses for you
Speaker 2: to pull up in this dude's dry and kill him.
Speaker 2: And you're telling me that it doesn't seem targeted. That's
Speaker 2: not ridicuous.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Asina, it's completely asinine. No, he was completely targeted.
Speaker 2: So eight weeks earlier, nearly three thousand miles away, and
Speaker 2: we're going to read more about this one here in
Speaker 2: a moment soo. Forty seven year old doctor Nunio Lorero,
Speaker 2: director of MIT's Plasma Science and Fusion Center and a
Speaker 2: leading expert in plasma physics, was killed inside his Brookline,
Speaker 2: Massachusetts home on the morning of December fifteenth. Valente which
Speaker 2: they didn't bring up that name earlier, but yeah, Valente
Speaker 2: is the killer, parked a gray Nissan CenTra on Babcock
Speaker 2: Street and lingered in the neighborhood for hours. Surveillance footage
Speaker 2: showed him walking along Commonwealth Avenue, stepping into shops, and
Speaker 2: buying food with cash.
Speaker 4: Nothing about his behavior raised alarms.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Lorero spent the day at MIT, overseeing PhD qualifying exams,
Speaker 2: moving between research meetings, and signing routine paperwork, the steady
Speaker 2: rhythm of academic life. By early evening, Valente began what
Speaker 2: police later described as pre operational surveillance, circling Larrero's neighborhood repeatedly.
Speaker 2: At eight twenty two PM, a neighbor's rain camera captured
Speaker 2: him wearing a yellow reflective safety vest and carrying a
Speaker 2: box marked with a barcode, convincing enough that Lrero's daughter
Speaker 2: assumed he was a delivery driver.
Speaker 4: When he rang the bell.
Speaker 2: According to reports, Lrero and his wife were making dinner
Speaker 2: in the kitchen while their daughters played cards in the
Speaker 2: living room. Around eight thirty pm, one of the girls
Speaker 2: heard the doorbell. Lorero's twelve year old daughter ran to
Speaker 2: answer it. She got up to check who it was,
Speaker 2: which was when her dad followed behind her and told
Speaker 2: her to come back in the house. She encountered a
Speaker 2: man in the lobby who appeared to be holding a package.
Speaker 2: He was not wearing gloves. She went back inside and
Speaker 2: then heard three or four gunshots.
Speaker 3: Wow oh no.
Speaker 2: When she ran back to entry foyer, she found her
Speaker 2: father lying on the ground in a pool of blood.
Speaker 2: Fled with his headlights off, disappearing into the night. Only
Speaker 2: later did investigators link him to a mass shooting days
Speaker 2: earlier inside a Brown University building where eleven students were
Speaker 2: wounded and two were killed. After five days on the run,
Speaker 2: he died from a self inflicted gunshot wound inside a
Speaker 2: storage unit in Salem, New Hampshire. Authorities later identified the
Speaker 2: substack a suspect as Claudio Manuel Nevez Valente, a Portuguese
Speaker 2: a physics graduate who had attended the same university program
Speaker 2: as Lorero in Portugal between ninety five and two thousand,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five in New Year two thousand, Who sent
Speaker 2: him his motive? How long was this planned?
Speaker 4: We know none of this.
Speaker 2: So now let's learn about Nuno Felipe Gomez Lorero. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is the guy in question, and this is his killer.
Speaker 2: So apparently they were in the same program. But that's
Speaker 2: about all we know. It's it's oh, it's a mess.
Speaker 2: He was a Portuguese plasma physicist. He it was the
Speaker 2: Herman Feshback professor. Okay, Herman Freeshback, Professor of physics at
Speaker 2: the Massachusetts Institute of Technology MIT and the director of
Speaker 2: the MIT Plasma Science Fusion Center from twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: until his murder in twenty twenty five. Now let's go
Speaker 2: a little deeper into this in the whole situation. So,
Speaker 2: a world renowned Massachusetts Institute Technology professor and fusion engineer
Speaker 2: shot and killed inside his home earlier this week, an
Speaker 2: attack that rattled one of the country's most elite scientific communities.
Speaker 2: We already talked about his credentials. The man was absolutely
Speaker 2: a leading figure in his field. Nobody questions him on
Speaker 2: that front. So as of this time, and this is
Speaker 2: as the article was being written here. No suspect has
Speaker 2: been identified and the motive for the killing is still unknown.
Speaker 2: So this was written December eighteenth, twenty twenty five, so
Speaker 2: this is before they found Valente.
Speaker 4: He was a professor. We talked about that.
Speaker 2: Lorero was rushed to a with a parent gunshot Wins
Speaker 2: Monday evening and pronounced dead Tuesday morning. According to the
Speaker 2: Norfolk District Attorney's Office in Massachusetts, the homicide investigation was underway.
Speaker 2: The shooting occurred two days after the attack of Brown
Speaker 2: University left two dead and nine injured, come to find out,
Speaker 2: was actually eleven. While investigators in both cases are at
Speaker 2: prestigious universities less than fifty miles apart our sharing intelligence,
Speaker 2: the Special Agent in charge of Boston's FBI office, Ted
Speaker 2: Docks said at news briefings Tuesday, authorities don't think they're connected.
Speaker 4: So this also ties in right.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense considering what he was working on.
Speaker 2: So when we're talking about the Brown shooting that seemed
Speaker 2: random and the classroom that Valente shot up, it's like
Speaker 2: an economics class Now, at one time that building housed
Speaker 2: like physics and the classroom in question. He actually was
Speaker 2: once a student in that very classroom, but at this
Speaker 2: time when the shooting took place, it was an economics
Speaker 2: class or a statistics or something along these lines. It
Speaker 2: was nothing to do with physics whatsoever, and so it
Speaker 2: seemed like a random act of violence.
Speaker 3: Take a precursor to this situation to make it look
Speaker 3: like it's not.
Speaker 5: A targeted hit exactly exactly pretty much just a you know,
Speaker 5: oh hey, look over here kind of a thing, right, And.
Speaker 2: So the guy who and we're not going to read
Speaker 2: the rest of this because, like I said, it's written before,
Speaker 2: you know, before any of these things. Actually no, we
Speaker 2: can't read because it talks more about the scientists himself.
Speaker 5: So yeah, because he's his what he was working on,
Speaker 5: and ties into the other guy because one of the
Speaker 5: things he's working on is astrophysical phenomenon applied plasma physics
Speaker 5: principles to understandstand magnetic fields in space and solar flares,
Speaker 5: which is like super important if you look at what
Speaker 5: everybody else was working on.
Speaker 3: So that's just one part.
Speaker 5: But he also was working on quantum plasma stimulation and
Speaker 5: plasma turbulence and magnetic reconnection and plasma and fusion energy.
Speaker 5: But then if you break down what he said, he
Speaker 5: pretty much said to completely throw Einstein out and rewrite
Speaker 5: it in the way of plasma, and like we could
Speaker 5: do so much with it.
Speaker 3: I was kind of looking.
Speaker 5: Into you because I know that his name throughout the
Speaker 5: science community is like he is renowned for his work
Speaker 5: and what he was doing and so, but add in
Speaker 5: everybody else that was killed and missing, and how much
Speaker 5: space stuff is connected. Yeah, it's it's clearly all tied.
Speaker 4: Together, all right, So then let's keep reading here.
Speaker 2: So Originally from Portugal, Lorero studied in his home country
Speaker 2: and in the United Kingdom and in the United States,
Speaker 2: where he researched topics including phenomenon behind solar flares. He
Speaker 2: also focused on plasma, a super hot form of matters
Speaker 2: found in stars, and experimental fusion reactors. Fusion is the
Speaker 2: process that makes the sunburn and the Railro's work explored
Speaker 2: how that power could be bottled on Earth and controlled
Speaker 2: inside those reactors. If fusion ever becomes a real source
Speaker 2: of cheap, clean electricity, it will rely on the kind
Speaker 2: of physics he helped explain. So Nuno was not only
Speaker 2: a brilliant scientist. He was a brilliant person. Dennis White,
Speaker 2: a fellow MIT professor, said in an obituary posted on
Speaker 2: by the university. He's shone a bright light as a mentor,
Speaker 2: a friend, teacher, colleague, and leader, and was universally admired
Speaker 2: for his articulate, compassionate manner. His loss is immeasurable to
Speaker 2: our community and the PCFs or psfc NSEE and MIT
Speaker 2: are around the entire fusion and plasma research world.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Alan Taylor, a Tought's University professor of biomechanical and molecular
Speaker 2: nutrition who lives in the area, told Fox News Digital
Speaker 2: outside Lererro's home on Wednesday that the shooting rocked the
Speaker 2: tight knit community, which is also home to several Brown
Speaker 2: University students, where another shooting claim two lives of the weekend.
Speaker 2: I'm concerned because he was a human being, first and
Speaker 2: secondly because he's a scientist, and I know how much
Speaker 2: we invest in training people so they can make major
Speaker 2: contributions to our society, and then when they're murdered, it's
Speaker 2: a tremendous compromise to our community and the world at large.
Speaker 2: So Lorrero obtained an undergraduate degree from the Instituto Superior
Speaker 2: Technico in Lisbon, before being getting a PhD in physics
Speaker 2: at Imperial College, London. He went on to do post
Speaker 2: doctoral work at Princeton University in New Jersey and Ukaea
Speaker 2: Coleman Center for Fusion Energy in the UK, and returned
Speaker 2: to research in Lisbon before joining MIT's faculty in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: He became a full professor in twenty twenty one and
Speaker 2: was later named the director of the school's Plasma Science
Speaker 2: and Fusion Center. So I mean, pretty much start to finish,
Speaker 2: Your boy had a insane career in academia. His research
Speaker 2: has earned him half a dozen awards since twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: most recently honored with the US Government's Presidential Early Career
Speaker 2: Award for Scientists and Engineers, which he received earlier this year.
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen and at twenty nineteen interview, le Rairo
Speaker 2: linked complicated science to an art form. This is a
Speaker 2: direct quote from him. When we stimulate theoretically inclined minds
Speaker 2: by framing plasma physics and fusion challenges as beautiful theoretical
Speaker 2: physics problems, we bring into the game incredibly brilliant students,
Speaker 2: people who we want to attract to fusion development, he said.
Speaker 2: In an earlier lecture, he on accepting and Overcoming failure,
Speaker 2: he urged students to set their goals high and not
Speaker 2: be afraid of falling short. If you're not failing all
Speaker 2: the time, you're aiming too low. He said, Wow, I
Speaker 2: mean sounds like the type professor you would want to
Speaker 2: have to be honest with you. And so the killing
Speaker 2: doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And this is
Speaker 2: the one that you sent me.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that's the one I sent you.
Speaker 5: And it just breaks down more of his his life
Speaker 5: and all of what he was doing and like the
Speaker 5: actual like real goes into the fusion vacuum vacuums and stuff,
Speaker 5: and like where the edges of the universe that he
Speaker 5: was working in is crazy. And how it all ties
Speaker 5: into these other people is definitely this. All of these
Speaker 5: people are connected to space, Like, without a doubt, there's
Speaker 5: something to do with space that is happening. The only
Speaker 5: one that's odd is the chemical biologist with his biomedical research.
Speaker 5: But also it could be in part like playing into that.
Speaker 5: You don't have to read that since we already read
Speaker 5: into it more of his stuff. But he was very
Speaker 5: prominent in his fields and what he was working in,
Speaker 5: and he was actually making huge progress forward. But remember,
Speaker 5: China is on is fighting for whoever can get the
Speaker 5: fusion situation. So China is, you know, heavily fighting against us,
Speaker 5: and this man was working with us, and so he
Speaker 5: was actually making strides in and actually getting better at
Speaker 5: harnessing it.
Speaker 3: So it could be that he was killed by China.
Speaker 2: It's very possible. Let's see, there's some of the stuff
Speaker 2: we already read about, but yeah, some of it also, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So on other fronts, Larrero worked in astrophysics, helped reveal
Speaker 2: fundamental mechanisms of the universe. He put forward the first
Speaker 2: theory of turbulence in pair plasmas, which differ from regular
Speaker 2: plasmas and maybe abundant in space. The work was driven
Speaker 2: in part by the unprecedented observations of a binary neutron
Speaker 2: star Merger.
Speaker 4: In twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: As an assistant professor and then full professor at MIT,
Speaker 2: he taught course intro to plasma physics.
Speaker 4: He literally was the dude who taught that, and the.
Speaker 2: Course of a theory of fusion systems, for which he
Speaker 2: was twice recognized by the Department of Nuclear Science and
Speaker 2: Engineering Outstanding Professor Award. Wow. So, Lorrero's research earned him
Speaker 2: many prominent awards throughout his prolific career, including the National
Speaker 2: Science Foundation Career Award and the American Physical Science Thomas H.
Speaker 2: Styx Award for Outstanding Early career contributions to plasma physics research.
Speaker 2: He was also an American Physical Associate Society Fellow. Earlier
Speaker 2: this year, he earned the Presidential Early Career Award for
Speaker 2: Science and Engineering.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 4: So, the dude, he was working in all kinds of levels.
Speaker 2: We're not just talking about like granted, we're talking about
Speaker 2: like nuclear fission and infusion, and the Chinese are after
Speaker 2: that as well. Multiple countries are trying to work on that,
Speaker 2: and he was making some very great strides in that regard.
Speaker 2: But he was also, like you said, observing space, and
Speaker 2: I don't there's no indication as of this moment that
Speaker 2: he was one of somebody connected to aliens or UFOs,
Speaker 2: but there are a lot of people that believe that
Speaker 2: the UFOs are actor like the orbs that we keep
Speaker 2: seeing are actually plasm balls. So it's very possible that
Speaker 2: he might have had some sort of inside knowledge onto
Speaker 2: that kind of front.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's the magnetic field that he was
Speaker 5: talking about, and then looking into space and like the
Speaker 5: fusion vacuum chambers at the edges of the universe and stuff.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of different and if you see talks
Speaker 5: about like the plasma behavior including turbulence and stuff, he's
Speaker 5: when I was reading into it, he was doing a
Speaker 5: whole bunch of stuff when it came to space, and
Speaker 5: then implementing certain things that we have here with physics
Speaker 5: up there, and then vice versa.
Speaker 3: And then if you think about old boy.
Speaker 5: That got got you know, all the way away from
Speaker 5: him was finding looking for signs of life on other planets.
Speaker 3: And then if you look at.
Speaker 5: The other research about the recon of space and the
Speaker 5: astrophysicist and the alloy to be able to get to space,
Speaker 5: that woman like they're all interlinked with something to do
Speaker 5: with trying to get to space, find life, life in space,
Speaker 5: harness space energy.
Speaker 3: So you know, maybe it was Musk.
Speaker 5: You know a lot of people give me shit about
Speaker 5: how much I hate Musk, but like you know, I'm
Speaker 5: just saying the one man that is like determined to
Speaker 5: be into space this year that it has like a
Speaker 5: monopoly on all the science when it comes to space,
Speaker 5: and apparently he just created something else too.
Speaker 3: I was just looking into it.
Speaker 5: I need to read the whole thing, but apparently it's
Speaker 5: it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 4: So so the connection might be maybe it was Musk.
Speaker 2: These scientists didn't want to work for Musk, and he's
Speaker 2: basically like, well, if I can't have your tech, nobody can.
Speaker 5: Yep, maybe it was him, Knobs, that's just kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: But is it though, really, because it doesn't sound that
Speaker 2: crazy to me at this.
Speaker 5: Point, Raven, You know, it very well could be Musk,
Speaker 5: But I mean it stands the reason that I feel
Speaker 5: like it's more or less maybe our government, foreign government,
Speaker 5: or I was sticking with aliens. But there is a
Speaker 5: lot to say that, you know, Musk is an alien
Speaker 5: in and of himself.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people believe that that must is government. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's not forget that fact. He was the head of
Speaker 2: an entire department, just just not too terribly long ago.
Speaker 5: So like, ah, maybe they made strides and they need
Speaker 5: knowledge that he didn't want to get out.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe that's it.
Speaker 5: Maybe they're compromised, you know.
Speaker 2: All right, So another scientists down and so here's what
Speaker 2: we knew about. Uh, there's another article that was pulled up,
Speaker 2: but anyway, I wanted to get to the part. Let's see,
Speaker 2: does it talk about the murderer it's himself.
Speaker 4: No, this doesn't have it anywhere.
Speaker 2: Okay, So basically, long story short, the Valente he committed
Speaker 2: the brown shooting, killed Lorero, drove to a warehouse unit,
Speaker 2: parked his car, went into the storage unit, and took
Speaker 2: her a recorder and shot four videos where he admitted
Speaker 2: to everything. And if you go back and listen to them,
Speaker 2: they sound like, I don't want to say psychobabble, but
Speaker 2: the incoherent ramblings of somebody who is clearly not firing
Speaker 2: on all cylinders. This wasn't This wasn't some sort of
Speaker 2: a grand plot, or at least at that moment what
Speaker 2: he was saying. Now, is possible that a mind controlled
Speaker 2: type of situation happened?
Speaker 4: Maybe? Is it also possible that.
Speaker 2: He was put up to do these things specifically to
Speaker 2: make it seem like something else?
Speaker 4: Also? Maybe?
Speaker 2: But they sounded more along the lines of somebody who
Speaker 2: just kind of collectively lost his shit. And when you
Speaker 2: go back and look at him, he graduated top of
Speaker 2: his class in physics, and it would appear that he
Speaker 2: had the world at his fingertips, and he could have
Speaker 2: had a very successful career if he would have applied
Speaker 2: himself and gotten in with the right group. Instead, as
Speaker 2: soon as he graduated, he did everything possible to just
Speaker 2: say fuck it.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he was sitting.
Speaker 2: At home and waiting for the right call to happen,
Speaker 2: or somebody to knock on his door and offer him
Speaker 2: a plate full of his opportunity or what. But essentially,
Speaker 2: he got the education and did nothing with it and
Speaker 2: then felt jaded that he wasn't living up to his expectations,
Speaker 2: so decided to shoot up the school that he once
Speaker 2: went to and then shoot up somebody that there's no
Speaker 2: indication that they may have known each other. Yes, it's
Speaker 2: not like they were classmates, they weren't colleagues, they weren't
Speaker 2: dorm mates or anything like this.
Speaker 4: It's very strange that he would choose Lorero to kill.
Speaker 5: But how do we know that he wasn't actually doing
Speaker 5: something he so he talked about it in this manifesto.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 5: What if he actually was working and what if they
Speaker 5: were actually in communications with each other? At some point
Speaker 5: and shared some type of knowledge and could be you know,
Speaker 5: maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: It could be, but as of this moment, and I
Speaker 2: know there's more information coming out as quickly.
Speaker 4: This can be printed here.
Speaker 2: But as of this moment, we don't think that Valente
Speaker 2: was working in his field by any means. It seems
Speaker 2: like he probably never did, or if he did, it
Speaker 2: was at some sort of an entry level position. And
Speaker 2: then he felt like he was smarter than the people
Speaker 2: he was working for, so he like, you know, fuck it,
Speaker 2: I'm going home because you don't deserve me here. It
Speaker 2: was very much autistic ranting, honestly, So I mean maybe
Speaker 2: he felt I mean maybe because he just won the
Speaker 2: presidential thing, maybe he saw his name and picture and
Speaker 2: was just like that bastard, I remember you, and maybe
Speaker 2: you know, like so just.
Speaker 5: In his psychotic break, decided because he was such a
Speaker 5: renowned scientist, would go after him.
Speaker 2: It's Paul, I, I.
Speaker 5: Personally don't feel like this is a coincidence. So I'm
Speaker 5: not going to say that I agree with that. I
Speaker 5: but I could see how without a conspiracy brain that
Speaker 5: could make sense.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying individually?
Speaker 2: Okay, this if this was a one off and there
Speaker 2: was no other missing persons and no other murders in
Speaker 2: the scientific community right now, all dealing with space. Okay,
Speaker 2: crazier shit has happened. But this is also a bit wild,
Speaker 2: but not the wildest thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 2: Coupling this with all the other things you've already talked
Speaker 2: about and the stuff we're about to talk about, it's
Speaker 2: way way too.
Speaker 4: Many flags on the play. But anyway, all right, moving on.
Speaker 2: So, now here's what we know about Claudio Nevez Valente,
Speaker 2: the shooter himself, the shooter in the deadly Brown University
Speaker 2: ba ba bab. Claudio Valente a forty eight year old
Speaker 2: Portuguese national. So forty eight. Our boy Lrero was forty one. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I'm sorry, forty seven. So it is possible that
Speaker 2: they were classmates.
Speaker 4: But let's read more here.
Speaker 2: So Valente was born in Portugal I can't pronounce He's
Speaker 2: Nae Torres Novas Santaurum Centaium and was a legal permanent
Speaker 2: resident of the United States, according to a press release
Speaker 2: from Rhode Island Attorney General Peter Naranja. Yeah, he arrived
Speaker 2: in the United States in August of two thousand as
Speaker 2: an F one student at Brown University and subsequently obtained
Speaker 2: US lawful permanent residency in April of twenty seventeen. As
Speaker 2: far as investigators know, Valente did not have any prior
Speaker 2: criminal record in the United States, so he studied at
Speaker 2: Brown University. Twenty five years ago. He was enrolled in
Speaker 2: a doctoral program at Brown, but subsequently withdrew from the university.
Speaker 2: Brown University president Christina Packson said that he was enrolled
Speaker 2: for from fall two thousand to the spring two thousand
Speaker 2: and one, and he took a leave of absence in
Speaker 2: April twenty two thousand and one and formerly left the
Speaker 2: university in July two thousand and three. He had no
Speaker 2: active affiliation with Brown. Paxson said that Valente likely spent
Speaker 2: a great deal of time at Barston Holly Building, where
Speaker 2: the mass shooting took place. Valente was enrolled only in
Speaker 2: physics classes when he was at Brown, and Paxson said
Speaker 2: that the majority of the physics classes at the university
Speaker 2: have always been held within that building. According to the ARRESTAFFI,
Speaker 2: David Valente lived at one two to two Governor Street
Speaker 2: in Providence when he attended Brown so did he also
Speaker 2: kill the MIT professor. The attorney for the District of
Speaker 2: Massachusetts Lee Be fully confirmed December eighteenth that Valente is
Speaker 2: also believed to be responsible for the murder of new
Speaker 2: Neo Lrero, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
Speaker 2: at his home in Brookline, Massachusetts, and as investigators worked
Speaker 2: to learn more about Valente and understand what prompted his
Speaker 2: violent rampage, former classmates and colleagues in Portugal are describing
Speaker 2: him as a talented but egotistical, failed academic who could
Speaker 2: have been motivated by professional jealousy. Could have been not guarantee,
Speaker 2: but could have been. Valente went to college with Lrero.
Speaker 2: Both studied physics as undergraduate programs in Lisbon, Portugal's top
Speaker 2: engineering school. As a matter of fact, Valente dropped out
Speaker 2: of a PhD program at Brown after three semesters, while
Speaker 2: Lorero went on to International acclaim. I should also mention
Speaker 2: in Portugal, Valente graduated top of his class in that
Speaker 2: undergrad program.
Speaker 4: Just so we're all.
Speaker 5: Clear here, Well, they didn't know each other, they did
Speaker 5: study together, so.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's also possible that he was in his fourth
Speaker 2: year while Lorero was in his third year. Like, it's
Speaker 2: not confirmed that they were necessarily, but let's see, let's continue.
Speaker 2: So Nunio Moraes, who was in the same class, told
Speaker 2: the Portuguese newspaper that.
Speaker 4: He fell out of touch with Valente.
Speaker 2: He said that among his former classmates, the most common
Speaker 2: theory is that Valente salirero as a symbol of the
Speaker 2: academic and professional success.
Speaker 4: That he was unable to achieve. It's possible.
Speaker 2: Felipe Mora, who taught Valente as an undergrad, said that
Speaker 2: Valente had a confrontational personality and acted like he knew
Speaker 2: everything in class. Again, I'm not saying autistic, but you can.
Speaker 2: It's almost like you ever seen Big Bang Theory.
Speaker 3: No, I don't like this show.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I did love the show. But anyway, he
Speaker 2: got like Shelton vibes. But anyway, last he had heard,
Speaker 2: Valente returned to Portugal and worked as an IT specialist
Speaker 2: for Portugal Telegom for a few years. Mora went into
Speaker 2: more detail in a post on Facebook, explained that he
Speaker 2: was a teaching assistant for a math analysis three that
Speaker 2: Valente took in the academic year of ninety six to
Speaker 2: ninety seven. Valente was obviously one of the best students
Speaker 2: in class, but had a great need to stand out
Speaker 2: and show that he was better than the rest.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He recalled that Valente had an unpleasant attitude and was
Speaker 2: hostile to classmates who he didn't think were as brilliant
Speaker 2: as him.
Speaker 4: Quote unquote, Morris.
Speaker 2: Said that nonetheless, he stayed in touch with Valente for
Speaker 2: three years.
Speaker 4: Valente began his.
Speaker 2: PhD at Brown, he maintained the same attitude and got
Speaker 2: into unnecessary conflict with classmates. Valente seemed to be experiencing
Speaker 2: culture shock and clearly wasn't enjoying being at Brown. He
Speaker 2: said that he encouraged Valente not to give up and
Speaker 2: told him that he would enjoy his PhD more once
Speaker 2: he started doing research. Instead, Valente dropped out, feeling that
Speaker 2: the program was a waste of his time and the
Speaker 2: other students were incompatible or incapable. Excuse me, He said
Speaker 2: that he hadn't heard from Valente in years. I never
Speaker 2: expected he would be capable of such a thing, So
Speaker 2: how long has he been planning these attacks? A custodian
Speaker 2: at Brown had noticed Valente and found him suspicious before
Speaker 2: the shooting. The custodian recalled twice seeing a suspicious person
Speaker 2: with a surgical mask wearing the same clothing shown in
Speaker 2: released images of the suspect walking with a limp on
Speaker 2: November twenty eighth and December first. According to the Affidavid,
Speaker 2: the custodian said that the suspicious person had entered the
Speaker 2: building on the Hope Street side on one occasion and
Speaker 2: immediately entered a ground level bathroom across from Room one
Speaker 2: sixty six. Surveillance footage from Brown's cameras showed an individual
Speaker 2: match in that description on December first, according to the Affidavid,
Speaker 2: a Brown faculty member also reached out to the Rhode
Speaker 2: Island State Police and described an encounter before the shooting.
Speaker 2: She said that she was driving east on the morning
Speaker 2: of Thursday, December eleventh, and ended up behind a gray
Speaker 2: sedan with a Florida license plate that was driving unusually
Speaker 2: slow in the direction of Thayer Street. The faculty member
Speaker 2: recalled that the sedan was moving so slowly that it
Speaker 2: almost came to a complete stop.
Speaker 4: The observation helped lead a.
Speaker 2: To a license plate number, which the affidavit says was
Speaker 2: caught fourteen times on flock license plate reading cameras. The
Speaker 2: first of it was December first. So anyway, let's see,
Speaker 2: uh so how he hit his motives? Well, we only
Speaker 2: need to about hit his motives here. So his satchel,
Speaker 2: He had a satchel with him and apparently that helped
Speaker 2: identify him as the shooter.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so at least like.
Speaker 3: A pretentious dick. Anyways, look at the way he's standing, like.
Speaker 4: Hmmm, sounds yeah, So he thought.
Speaker 3: Maybe this is a random occurrence.
Speaker 2: Maybe, But also if he was somebody who suffled from
Speaker 2: some sort of a social disorder and could potentially be
Speaker 2: manipulated and or coerced into doing something that he already
Speaker 2: had some fury towards the academic community, right, they would.
Speaker 4: Have sent him in any direction.
Speaker 2: Why would he send him in a direction specifically like
Speaker 2: the one that he went on, Like you see what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. If it was just to shoot up the
Speaker 2: Brown University, he didn't go to any other classrooms, He
Speaker 2: didn't do some sort of mass casualty event it was
Speaker 2: he fired like forty four rounds and only hit thirteen,
Speaker 2: and of those thirteen, two were killed.
Speaker 5: I don't it just doesn't seem I don't know, it
Speaker 5: seems very interesting to me. The timing of things, right,
Speaker 5: especially with the people that are involved, especially with all
Speaker 5: the people that have gone missing, especially with what he
Speaker 5: was working on and how how he was making such
Speaker 5: strideg especially with the other man being murdered with him
Speaker 5: also being included. Like it just it's too many coincidences. Now,
Speaker 5: granted they've been they have definitely worked very hard to
Speaker 5: paint this very clear picture that this man had had
Speaker 5: an egotistical mind and that he was an asshole to
Speaker 5: everybody and he felt he was just so much smarter,
Speaker 5: and he dropped out and he hated everyone for it,
Speaker 5: and he worked at this pissing job. And it'say, okay,
Speaker 5: what if they found the perfect Patsy and they geared
Speaker 5: it towards this and they wanted to get rid of
Speaker 5: this man and they wanted to tie up loose ends
Speaker 5: or whatever it might be, and they utilized somebody that
Speaker 5: had nothing left. I mean it clearly he didn't seem
Speaker 5: like he had family, friends, nothing.
Speaker 3: He seems like he completely was alone.
Speaker 2: So right, and that's kind of what I'm thinking, right,
Speaker 2: especially same with old Snyder, Right, Like, it seems like
Speaker 2: they found a really good patsy, a real good story
Speaker 2: just tied up neatly. Oh, you know this guy they
Speaker 2: never met, but he was found on his property a
Speaker 2: few months earlier with a rifle.
Speaker 4: He was arrested, but they released him. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: He's out in the back out and then went back
Speaker 2: to finish the job because you know, he's just a yeah.
Speaker 3: It seems just like really coincidental with everything.
Speaker 2: And then this guy, oh well, you know, they actually
Speaker 2: were at the same university in the same program at
Speaker 2: one point, and then you know, he just just spurned
Speaker 2: because this guy was Portuguese, just like him, and he
Speaker 2: thought that this guy had the success that was owed
Speaker 2: to him because he was, oh so brilliant. All that
Speaker 2: checks out, and it's like, but does it it can?
Speaker 2: I okay, possibly, but when looked at with all of
Speaker 2: the other contexts and all the other missing people and
Speaker 2: the murders, it's starting to sound way more conspiratorial than
Speaker 2: a random act of aggression.
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I agree.
Speaker 2: So now moving on to the next one, let's talk
Speaker 2: about Melissa Cassius. This on screen is one of the
Speaker 2: last images we have of her, and this one is
Speaker 2: going to be one of the She still has not
Speaker 2: been found for the record. So, and this was September
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five when this article is written. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about it. State police report no breakthroughs in Melissa
Speaker 2: Cassia's case. As a matter of fact, there's actually a
Speaker 2: few pictures. So this is her right, outdoorsy chick out
Speaker 2: there antler hunting. That's her with her daughter. This is
Speaker 2: her looks like on a hiking trip or something. And
Speaker 2: this is her husband, right, Okay, So let's break this down.
Speaker 2: Two months after Melissa Cassius, a fifty three year old
Speaker 2: Los Alamos National Labs employee, went missing. Her disappearance has
Speaker 2: left more questions than answers. New Mexico State Police reported
Speaker 2: no breakthroughs in the investigation. We have no updates in
Speaker 2: this case. Wilson Silver, public information officer with the state
Speaker 2: police told Taos Taos Dow.
Speaker 4: That's how you spelled dow.
Speaker 2: Isn't it like the dow Daoism, that's t it's d
Speaker 2: is that?
Speaker 4: Are you sure?
Speaker 2: I thought like Daoism is spelled with the T. I
Speaker 2: could be wrong. I don't be knowing.
Speaker 3: It should be das hand Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, okay, So this is Taos Taos.
Speaker 4: It might be Taos. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, it's spelled both ways. Oh, it's actually spelled
Speaker 3: both ways. It is. It is actually spelled both ways.
Speaker 5: Interesting because I read it with a D and it
Speaker 5: says both ways are correct.
Speaker 2: I just looked into Daoism and it was spelled with
Speaker 2: a T, and I was like, that's weird. But it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're Asian, so it doesn't make sense. It's like when
Speaker 2: N g y u e n and somehow that's when, like,
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't have to make sense.
Speaker 4: It's Asian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because in school it was spelled with a D.
Speaker 3: So okay.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So we have no updates in this case, the
Speaker 2: state police told Taos News in July. Investigators are looking
Speaker 2: into every angle of the investigation, neither ruling out foul
Speaker 2: play nor possibly or possibility that she left on her
Speaker 2: own accord. So Melissa was last seen by her family
Speaker 2: on June twenty sixth. That morning, at about six fifteen am,
Speaker 2: Melissa drove her husband to Los Alamos National Laboratory where
Speaker 2: they work. Okay, both of them worked at the same laboratory,
Speaker 2: which we're gonna get to that laboratory in a moment
Speaker 2: she told him that she need to finish work elsewhere
Speaker 2: on site and left. At about seven forty five am,
Speaker 2: Melissa's daughter Sierra, heard Melissa enter their home. Melissa told
Speaker 2: Sierra she had forgot her her serio wow, can't speak,
Speaker 2: She had forgot her security clearance badge and would work
Speaker 2: from home. At about twelve to fifty pm, Melissa dropped
Speaker 2: off a subway sandwich at Sierra's workplace. It was the
Speaker 2: last time Sierra saw her. She says, she forgot her
Speaker 2: badge and my dad had just forgotten his badge of
Speaker 2: the day before, which, for the record, anybody who's ever
Speaker 2: worked on job site where you have to bring a
Speaker 2: badge t easy.
Speaker 4: It happens. Personally.
Speaker 2: I used to keep mine in my car to where
Speaker 2: I would never forget it. But it's a thing. It happens.
Speaker 2: You forget your badge, and sometimes you got to go
Speaker 2: back home and you're late, or if you got a
Speaker 2: job where you could work from home that day, you
Speaker 2: just do that.
Speaker 4: Whatever. Whatever.
Speaker 2: She just kind of laughed, and I didn't question it.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that's how they get into work. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's a bit ridiculous, but whatever. Surveillance footage from her
Speaker 2: residence in Talpa shows Melissa's last known whereabouts walking eastbound
Speaker 2: on New Mexico five eighteen, roughly an hour after she
Speaker 2: dropped off lunch to her daughter. She wore a backpack,
Speaker 2: a turquoise shirt, jeans, and tennis shoes, and a maroon
Speaker 2: hoodie tied around her waist. So she had a car
Speaker 2: she was driving the day she dropped her husband off
Speaker 2: at work and.
Speaker 4: Just took off, tacking down the highway.
Speaker 3: She's being tagged and tracked.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm glad you already said that, because wait till
Speaker 2: I tell you about the cell phone. But anyway, a
Speaker 2: family friend saw she saw the blue Dodge truck following
Speaker 2: Melissa at around the same time. Jasmine McMillan, Melissa's niece,
Speaker 2: told Taos News in July that the state police located
Speaker 2: a matching vehicle and concluded Melissa didn't climb inside. Sierra
Speaker 2: returned home from work to find the front door locked
Speaker 2: and her mother's vehicle parked outside. She found her mother's
Speaker 2: keys and work cell phone on the kitchen table. Inside
Speaker 2: Melissa's office was her wallet, personal cell phone, purse, some
Speaker 2: dollar bills, and a paycheck. Sierra gave her to deposit
Speaker 2: at the bank Melissa's phone. Both of them were reset
Speaker 2: to factory settings.
Speaker 4: They were white.
Speaker 3: I didn't even read it. I didn't even read it.
Speaker 5: But I'm just I've just, you know, had a strong,
Speaker 5: strange feeling that she was being tracked.
Speaker 2: So not only does she do this to her work phone,
Speaker 2: she did it to her home phone before just heading
Speaker 2: off on foot down a highway in the middle of
Speaker 2: New Mexico.
Speaker 3: So another one that went on foot.
Speaker 4: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So, while Sierra and her father believed Melissa leftvoluntarily due
Speaker 2: to personal and financial struggles, Melissa's parents, Jose and Joanne
Speaker 2: Mondragon again with these names Mandragon, Mondragon. I'm gonna just say,
Speaker 2: mon dragon, this sounds cooler. I'm sure it's a month
Speaker 2: that I go on. I'm sure, but it's fucking man
Speaker 2: dragon anyway. And her sister Trudy Nahara disagree. I don't
Speaker 2: want to go anywhere, Joanne said in July. I tell
Speaker 2: them because what if she comes and I'm not here,
Speaker 2: or if she calls on the landline and I'm not here.
Speaker 2: We can't be gone in case she comes, because maybe
Speaker 2: this is where she'd come home. Sierra said, there's nothing
Speaker 2: that can't be fixed. We're both waiting here with big,
Speaker 2: wide open arms. We promise we'll figure things out and
Speaker 2: this too shall pass. It sounds like she was very
Speaker 2: well loved by multiple members of her family, but once
Speaker 2: again for her to take off, for her to purposely
Speaker 2: change all of her phones to factory settings, leave everything, wallet, phones, car, everything,
Speaker 2: grab a backpack full of god knows what, and just
Speaker 2: take off down the highway on this is it's a
Speaker 2: little wild.
Speaker 5: So just for those of you that are wondering what
Speaker 5: she did, she was the nuclear weapons person with the
Speaker 5: National Security of Science. So this is this is this lady.
Speaker 5: But I didn't really want to. I wanted to touch
Speaker 5: on another missing scientist really quick.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, were actually happened?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, this pertains to her because they both worked at
Speaker 5: the same laboratory. He went missing May fourth, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 5: Anthony Chavez, and he disappeared while out walking in New Mexico.
Speaker 5: And Chaved had been associated with one of the United
Speaker 5: States' most sensitive research environments, were often working in intersector
Speaker 5: intersects with nuclear science, national security, and classified technologies. With
Speaker 5: no phone or wallet on him and no confirmed sieting
Speaker 5: since his case has quietly remained unresolved.
Speaker 4: This was in April of last year.
Speaker 3: This was in May, fourth of la last year.
Speaker 5: So she went missing when she went missing in June
Speaker 5: of last year. He went missing in May, and before him,
Speaker 5: or actually in July, after both of them, a National
Speaker 5: Science a NASA science man was found dead in Los Angeles,
Speaker 5: and he also worked for the Jet Propulsion Laboratory that
Speaker 5: worked on advanced space intment into instrumentation and planetary detection systems,
Speaker 5: which was.
Speaker 3: This was what was his name? That was Frank. His
Speaker 3: name is Frank Midwald. Frank Midwald.
Speaker 5: So this is another scientist actually, and they all worked
Speaker 5: in the same fields. So this is two more bodies
Speaker 5: that I found that have been confirmed that that are
Speaker 5: actually along with this. So we have one that went
Speaker 5: missing before her that worked at the exact same place
Speaker 5: that she did, and one that went missing after the
Speaker 5: two of the women and was killed and that worked
Speaker 5: on the same stuff that actually ties into the other
Speaker 5: ones that.
Speaker 2: Have been murdered.
Speaker 4: So Jesus Christ, I.
Speaker 5: Just wanted to I know that you were We're on
Speaker 5: this person, but a super maouertains. So I was like,
Speaker 5: I gotta tell.
Speaker 2: You that absolutely ties in Holy shit. Yeah, So as
Speaker 2: we're talking about this and we're talking about the workplace.
Speaker 2: The Lost Alamos National Laboratory, or LA and L for short,
Speaker 2: is one of sixteen research and development laboratories in the
Speaker 2: United States Department of Energy, located a short distance northwest
Speaker 2: of Santa Fe, New Mexico, in the Southwest. Best known
Speaker 2: for its central role in helping develop the first atomic bomb.
Speaker 2: LANL is one of the world's largest and most advanced
Speaker 2: scientific institutions. So as all of this, the conspiracies around
Speaker 2: this laboratory in and of itself, okay, it was established
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty three as Project Why, a top secret
Speaker 2: site for designing nuclear weapons under the Manhattan Project during
Speaker 2: World War Two.
Speaker 4: It's it is.
Speaker 2: It's brought together some of the world's most famous scientists,
Speaker 2: among them numerous Nobel Prize winners.
Speaker 4: It's it's a whole thing. We could literally do an.
Speaker 2: Entire episode just on this laboratory itself, so to say
Speaker 2: should we might as well right to say that two
Speaker 2: of their scientists went missing, like just left all their shit,
Speaker 2: wiped their phones, and took off down the road on
Speaker 2: foot within sixty days of each other.
Speaker 3: MM hmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he just went went for a walk, left his wallet,
Speaker 5: left his phone, no sightings, and just disappeared.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And that other guy, Frank, he was working on identifying
Speaker 5: signs of life on worlds like Europa and in Celadus Inenciladas.
Speaker 4: I feel like, I don't that, but I don't know it.
Speaker 3: It's eating ce l a d Us.
Speaker 4: Okay, I looked it up.
Speaker 3: But it's the sixth place it it's a sixth son
Speaker 3: of Saturn.
Speaker 2: So all, yeah, so he was looking into sixth moon
Speaker 2: of Saturn or sixth Sun.
Speaker 3: Oh it might have been. It might've been Moon.
Speaker 5: I'm not I forgot, honestly, I was reading a whole
Speaker 5: bunch of different stuff. But yeah, so it he was
Speaker 5: looking at in space life as well. So I just
Speaker 5: found that to be rather interesting that they both went
Speaker 5: missing from the same place, and you know, but no
Speaker 5: one's talking about either one of those guys.
Speaker 3: I actually had to go.
Speaker 5: I went to page like sixteen on Google to find
Speaker 5: that they were actually connected and they actually went missing.
Speaker 4: So just so we're all clear here.
Speaker 2: This laboratory, in particular, as of May one, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: has an annual budget of four point nine billion dollars
Speaker 2: four point nine big boy billions per year for this
Speaker 2: one laboratory, and they are, like I said, one of sixteen.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to do a whole episode on this.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean entered the development for the Department
Speaker 2: of Energy like that. That's huge, that's that's absolute national
Speaker 2: security level things. And for them to just take the
Speaker 2: fuck off, I'm sorry once again, a woman losing her
Speaker 2: shit and saying, fucking I'm leaving this. Okay, this happens
Speaker 2: a guy doing the same Okay, fine, not this close together.
Speaker 5: Not a nuclear but a nuclear scientist. She's nuclear weapons. Yeah, person,
Speaker 5: They both worked in the national security and they both
Speaker 5: worked on classified technologies. Both of them disappeared the exact
Speaker 5: same way, right, yet none of the neither one have
Speaker 5: been found neither. Like that doesn't make that doesn't make
Speaker 5: any sense. And then these other people are being killed. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so it's like, wait, what so two jet propulsion people,
Speaker 5: one missing or wait was does she die?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: She went missing, one missing, and one killed, all within
Speaker 5: a matter of three months. All four of these people
Speaker 5: and the men aren't being talked about, yep, which I've
Speaker 5: had to be really interesting that they're just completely silent
Speaker 5: about this.
Speaker 4: The media has so many other things to talk about.
Speaker 3: And also, you're correct, there are moons nonsense.
Speaker 4: I'm just making sure I was hold on it calling it.
Speaker 5: I'm sick right now. I'm gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 5: and my brain is like I'm here, all right.
Speaker 2: So now let's go to this other People magazine article
Speaker 2: talking about a body that was found in a lake
Speaker 2: believed to belong to a scientist who disappeared three months ago. Now,
Speaker 2: three months ago as of March eighteenth of this year,
Speaker 2: so it's you know, probably like four months ago as
Speaker 2: of now. But let's get into it here. A body
Speaker 2: pull from Massachusetts lake is believed to belong to a
Speaker 2: scientist who has been missing four months. The body was
Speaker 2: recovered from Lake Quantapowt in Wakefield on the afternoon of Tuesday,
Speaker 2: March seventeenth, according to a news release from the Middlesex
Speaker 2: count District Attorney Maryon T. Ryan. Once again, Middlesex, the
Speaker 2: names that these people just come up with is cracking
Speaker 2: me up, anyway.
Speaker 4: A detective from the Wakefield Police.
Speaker 2: Department was searching the area around the lake, which had
Speaker 2: previously frozen over. Around twelve thirty pm, local time when
Speaker 2: they located what appeared to be a body in the water.
Speaker 2: Preliminary information, including the victim's clothing, suggests the body was
Speaker 2: that of a forty five year old Jason Thomas.
Speaker 4: So this is the guy in question. Jason Thomas.
Speaker 2: Thomas, a scientist at Novarties, was reported missing on December thirteenth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, after he left his home the night before.
Speaker 2: He has not been seen since. His parents both died
Speaker 2: before he vanished. According to NBC affiliate Kristen Bartoli, Thomas's
Speaker 2: wife of a decade, told Dateline that her husband had
Speaker 2: been struggling with his parents' deaths prior to his disappearance.
Speaker 2: Thomas's parents reportedly died within an hour of each other.
Speaker 2: Oh man, he had never lost somebody so close before,
Speaker 2: and then to lose both of them.
Speaker 3: It was harpreadad.
Speaker 2: So this is an image from him or of him
Speaker 2: the night he disappeared. I guess it's from like a
Speaker 2: ring camera footage or something.
Speaker 4: Bartoli said. Everything seemed normal tonight.
Speaker 2: Thomas disappeared as they took care of their dogs after
Speaker 2: one of their first social outings since the death of
Speaker 2: his parents. After Thomas left the home, Bartoli allegedly spotted
Speaker 2: him outside after she heard their mailbox close. She then
Speaker 2: went to sleep, but realized her husband had not returned.
Speaker 2: When she woke up a short time later, she learned
Speaker 2: that Thomas had left his phone and wallet on their
Speaker 2: bathroom counter and found his Apple Watch in the mailbox,
Speaker 2: so that's why he stopped the mailbox was to leave
Speaker 2: the Apple watch. Thomas was later caught on camera while
Speaker 2: walking near a set of train tracks on North Avenue
Speaker 2: by Chestnut Street. Wakefield police were expected to search the
Speaker 2: lake where Thomas would occasionally walk his dog. This spring
Speaker 2: dayline reported because it was frozen over. The WPD previously
Speaker 2: said Thomas was the last scene wearing a puffer style
Speaker 2: jacket that is white and has white and either gray
Speaker 2: or black coloring, as well as black pants, black sneakers,
Speaker 2: and white laces, black winter hat and gloves. The District
Speaker 2: Attorney to announced Tuesday that the police had conducted an
Speaker 2: extensive search of the area, utilizing resources from the Northeastern
Speaker 2: Massachusetts Law Enforcement Council K nine units and drones. The
Speaker 2: Office of the Chief Medical Examiner will determine the identity
Speaker 2: of the victim and their cause and manner of death.
Speaker 2: According to the district, no foul play is suspected in
Speaker 2: connection with the victim's death.
Speaker 4: She added, Okay, so.
Speaker 3: Still it just seems.
Speaker 5: It just seems very interesting how they all are occurring
Speaker 5: back to back to back to back, and what they're
Speaker 5: working in, and how they all kind of seem like
Speaker 5: they're connected in what they're working on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean, I just I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think the tragedy tragedy obviously is something, but it's
Speaker 5: I don't know, So I don't actually know what I
Speaker 5: think about this whole thing.
Speaker 2: So now let's hear from the congressman who has raised
Speaker 2: the alarm over the scientists vanishing because he believes there
Speaker 2: is way more of a connection here.
Speaker 4: And I gotta tell you, I agree.
Speaker 2: Missing UFO scientists prompt warning from Burchett or burkehett I
Speaker 2: think it's Burchkett, a congressman raised alarm over scientists vanishing
Speaker 2: under mysterious circumstances tied to UFO research. Following the deaths
Speaker 2: and unexplained disappearances of several scientists linked to UFO research,
Speaker 2: Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett has sounded the alarm about what
Speaker 2: he calls a.
Speaker 4: Troubling and dark pattern.
Speaker 2: Burchett pointed specifically to the case of the retired Air
Speaker 2: Force Major General William McCaslin and his former colleague Monica Reza,
Speaker 2: both of whom have vanished under unclear circumstances. We already
Speaker 2: talked about them. Mcaslin has not been seen. There's been
Speaker 2: tons of search and rescue for him. Nothing been found.
Speaker 2: His wife has attempted to push back against what she
Speaker 2: described as misinformation connecting her husband's disappearance to UFOs. Still,
Speaker 2: authorities say there have been no confirmed sightings or evidence
Speaker 2: indicating where he might have gone. Reza, we already talked about.
Speaker 2: This was lasting nine months ago while hiking with a friend.
Speaker 2: An aerospace engineer reportedly worked under mcaslon on a US
Speaker 2: government project focused on developing specialized metal for rockets. He
Speaker 2: says something dark is going on. Burchett has been very
Speaker 2: vocal about his concerns. Something dark is going on. I
Speaker 2: know these scientists and research they have testified. We've got
Speaker 2: to get to the bottom of it, he said in
Speaker 2: a recent interview. It's just too much. Too much is
Speaker 2: going on right now, and by the way, I am
Speaker 2: not suicidal. He added, there have been several others throughout
Speaker 2: the country that have disappeared under suspicious circumstances, and I
Speaker 2: think we ought to be paying attention to it. The
Speaker 2: numbers seem very high in these certain areas of research.
Speaker 2: I think we better pay attention. I don't think we
Speaker 2: should trust our government. Coming from a congressman who is
Speaker 2: a part of the government, I agree with you, Congressman.
Speaker 2: I fun I agree with you, Tennessee congressman who's blowing
Speaker 2: the whistle on some shit. Absolutely. Now a history of
Speaker 2: controversial UFO claims. Now they're going to try to discredit.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Burchett, who sits on the House Oversight Committee investigating UFO reports,
Speaker 2: has made a number of bowld claims about the topic. Recently,
Speaker 2: he accused NASO with holding information, saying the agency is
Speaker 2: lying about his knowledge of UFOs and concealing classified files.
Speaker 2: When asked why more whistleblowers have not come forward, he
Speaker 2: suggested fear may be a factor. They're afraid someone will
Speaker 2: disappear them. He said, once again, I know that whenever
Speaker 2: he said that, people might have looked at him like
Speaker 2: he was a whack job. Until we start having scientists
Speaker 2: go missing, and then it's like, Wow, maybe.
Speaker 4: The congressman is a little more red in than the
Speaker 4: rest of them. I don't know anyway. I think being.
Speaker 2: Murdered is what they're afraid of, he asked. I think
Speaker 2: some of them are truly, truly are because of things
Speaker 2: they've seen. In past statements, Burchett has also accused the
Speaker 2: government of misleading the public about extraterrestrial activity. In twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, he claimed officials were hiding the truth about
Speaker 2: aliens and UFOs, and he has alleged that the US
Speaker 2: is reverse engineering alien technology capable of catastrophic destruction. That's
Speaker 2: a seated congressman that's saying this, by the.
Speaker 3: Way, oh my god, right right, like okay, okay, base sure.
Speaker 2: A little bit more recently, in twenty twenty five, he
Speaker 2: asserted that the government is aware of underwater alien bases,
Speaker 2: claiming that entities exist at several deep sea locations around
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 4: Yo, this boy is over here just dropping bomb.
Speaker 3: He's just telling everybody. Yeah, he's gonna get got, he's
Speaker 3: gonna die.
Speaker 2: He don't give a fuck, and now he does not.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, I gotta put respect where it's due.
Speaker 2: Old Republican congressman from Tennessee over here. Get that man
Speaker 2: a raise, Somebody give that man a check. But anyway, anyway,
Speaker 2: let's get into it now. So this has a precedence ravenly.
Speaker 2: It really does, because in the late eighties or the
Speaker 2: eighties to nineteen ninety the GEC Marconi Scientist deaths conspiracy theory.
Speaker 4: If you've never heard of it, gotta be honest with you,
Speaker 4: I had kind.
Speaker 2: Of heard rumorings of it, little murmurs throughout the years
Speaker 2: of me doing some conspiratorial deep dives. If you want
Speaker 2: to do a Wikipedia search on it, it's here. But
Speaker 2: there's actually a whole book we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: here in a second. The GEC Marconi Scientist deaths theory
Speaker 2: looks at when between nineteen eighty two and nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: twenty five British based GEC Marconi scientists and engine who
Speaker 2: worked on the stingray torpedo project in the United States
Speaker 2: is just strategic defense initiative related projects died under mysterious circumstances.
Speaker 2: So let me paint a picture for you. Reagan's in office, right,
Speaker 2: old Ray Gunn himself and the Gipper, which was really
Speaker 2: he was a d tier actor. Everybody acts like he
Speaker 2: was a movie star.
Speaker 4: He was. He was like not even the lead role,
Speaker 4: but whatever, okay.
Speaker 2: Cool. He goes and becomes president and he is all
Speaker 2: about overfunding the military. He's all about Reagan nomics. He's
Speaker 2: he's just throwing money at problems. Reminds me of another
Speaker 2: dude that's currently in charge right now, but neither here
Speaker 2: nor there.
Speaker 4: And he decides to develop something.
Speaker 2: Called Operations Star Wars where he wants satellites with laser cannons.
Speaker 3: I love that so much.
Speaker 4: He had to get told by the scientists like, mister President,
Speaker 4: we don't have this, and like he's like, oh, I know,
Speaker 4: we do.
Speaker 2: I know y'all been lying about some things like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: mister president. Look, we could start working on that, sure,
Speaker 2: but like the technology doesn't exist to do what the fuck.
Speaker 4: You're talking about? Like you got to stop.
Speaker 2: But it didn't stop him from spending a few million
Speaker 2: dollars on before the scientists could like yank him by
Speaker 2: the collar.
Speaker 4: But what's out the point this? GEC.
Speaker 2: Marconi did develop a stingray torpedo, which, for those that
Speaker 2: don't know, the stingray torpedo was revolutionary for the timeframe.
Speaker 2: It basically was a submarine hunting torpedo and it used
Speaker 2: different levels of technology that had not been previously used
Speaker 2: before to hunt, track and basically find its target. So
Speaker 2: this group developed these torpedoes that was bought by the
Speaker 2: United States. Anyway, The first death to gain widespread attention
Speaker 2: and be linked to the theory came in eighty six
Speaker 2: and eighty seven. In just about a year, six scientists died,
Speaker 2: three of whom had worked for the Marconi Company, a
Speaker 2: subsidiary of the defense group Geeneral Electric. Right, so most
Speaker 2: most deaths were ruled suicides or accidents.
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 2: One died after driving his car, which had been packed
Speaker 2: full of gasoline containers, because you know, when you're driving
Speaker 2: a four door sedan, you just happen to pack like
Speaker 2: ten empty gas cans in it, or full gas cans
Speaker 2: obviously clearly because of course, of course, who doesn't do that.
Speaker 2: Another tied a rope to his neck and to a
Speaker 2: tree and then drove off in a car. Y'all that
Speaker 2: on that one does it for me? This dude? You
Speaker 2: ever you ever see those old movies, and maybe you've
Speaker 2: done it yourself. Good Coult members where you got a
Speaker 2: kid that's got a loose tooth and they're afraid to
Speaker 2: pull it, So you tie a string around the tooth
Speaker 2: and you tie it to a doorknob and you slam
Speaker 2: the door and it yanks it out.
Speaker 4: Homeboy decided to do that with his fucking neck and
Speaker 4: a tree in his car.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 5: That's likely as scientists that shot himself in the back
Speaker 5: of the head while driving into the lake.
Speaker 2: Somehow, yes, and also should go without you know, we
Speaker 2: can't sit set the fact that the gas pedal for
Speaker 2: old Boy had a fucking iron rod stuck into it
Speaker 2: and wedge underneath the seat. Yeah, so okay, well suspicious.
Speaker 2: There a third die of carbon monoxide poisoning in his garage.
Speaker 4: No links were found between them.
Speaker 2: At the time, some opposition lawmakers in the British Parliament
Speaker 2: called for an investigation into their deaths. Proponents of the
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory linked the deaths to James Bond esque set
Speaker 2: of assassinations, variably blaming the Soviet spy agency the KGB.
Speaker 2: This is back in the Cold War. Soviet Russia was
Speaker 2: absolutely rocking and rolling at that time. American spies or
Speaker 2: even British spies. Little am I six action here. Proponents
Speaker 2: of the theory claimed that the deaths were linked because
Speaker 2: of the scientists working on the same few classified projects,
Speaker 2: although most of the science I just had not been
Speaker 2: working on close that closely together and we're working on separate,
Speaker 2: mostly unclassified projects allegedly. But with that, there is a
Speaker 2: book that you can go by called Open Verdict, and
Speaker 2: it is from January of nineteen ninety one when it
Speaker 2: was first published, Open Verdict by Tony Collins. If anybody's
Speaker 2: curious an account of twenty five mysterious deaths in the
Speaker 2: defense industry, it's it's a wild thing. And this dude
Speaker 2: reached out to the British Parliament for their version of
Speaker 2: a Foyer request, and it took years for them to
Speaker 2: even acknowledge him. They saw it, that's on record that
Speaker 2: they saw the Foyer request. They blatantly ignored him multiple times,
Speaker 2: and some claim that he was arrested for it. I
Speaker 2: can't find any evidence of this, but some are saying
Speaker 2: that he randomly got a no knock rate and all
Speaker 2: the I don't know. I don't believe that that's actually accurate.
Speaker 2: But while doing research into this, if you're looking good
Speaker 2: cult members, you might find that. But beside the point
Speaker 2: to only Collins put out a FOI request, it was
Speaker 2: blatantly ignored, so he put out another one, and then
Speaker 2: finally they released the list. There is not a single
Speaker 2: thing of this list that seems normal at all. And
Speaker 2: then when you find out that all of them worked
Speaker 2: for the same company at the same time, working on
Speaker 2: very similar classified things, and you start looking at some
Speaker 2: of them, we're going for the American defense industry around
Speaker 2: the time when Reagan was trying to make lasers on
Speaker 2: satellites a thing. It's all very, very highly suspect. So
Speaker 2: as far as what we're looking at now in America,
Speaker 2: with all these scientists that have been missing, leaving without
Speaker 2: any record, random deaths occurring, whatever, we're not crazy to
Speaker 2: look at this very highly skeptically.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's a word. I just made
Speaker 4: that up.
Speaker 2: A rolling with it and looking at it with that
Speaker 2: third aisle all the way open. Because there is historical
Speaker 2: precedence for scientists in the same field, in the same
Speaker 2: community waking up dead all over the place, and that
Speaker 2: at least happened from in the eighties to ninety It's
Speaker 2: I will also raise.
Speaker 5: You eleven nuclear scientists that were all killed in interesting
Speaker 5: ways that all happened to be Eleven Indian scientists that
Speaker 5: were killed in a matter of a four year span,
Speaker 5: that all worked on the same kind of projects. Yes,
Speaker 5: that were all murdered in very interesting ways. Seven by suicide,
Speaker 5: two by industrial fires, one by murder, and one by
Speaker 5: road accident.
Speaker 3: Well, when you actually look into how they really died though,
Speaker 3: let's see.
Speaker 5: We have some of them that were hung randomly that
Speaker 5: don't make any sense, one by drowning at sea, right,
Speaker 5: and they were all working for this nuclear power corporation
Speaker 5: that was funded by the Department of Atomic Energy. Two
Speaker 5: of the bodies were found in their residence. One of
Speaker 5: the scientists was found in his residence like two years later.
Speaker 5: Another one was committed suicide by unknown way.
Speaker 3: A chemical lab exploded and killed some people.
Speaker 5: The list goes on and on if you actually like
Speaker 5: break down, so it talks about like, uh, the two
Speaker 5: scientists were working on this project together that were killed.
Speaker 5: They were they were working on bioengineer stuff, they were
Speaker 5: working on nuclear stuff.
Speaker 3: They were all killed.
Speaker 5: Well, then you fast forward to when was this this
Speaker 5: was four months ago and two more scientists were killed
Speaker 5: for the d R D O scientists in India that.
Speaker 3: Work for the government.
Speaker 5: Let me see if I can find it. It says
Speaker 5: the top tier scientists. So this is so is the
Speaker 5: government of the agency. It's the Ministry of Defense. And
Speaker 5: they were also just recently unlive somehow, and they're working
Speaker 5: on missile missions and they were also just killed.
Speaker 3: So it's a.
Speaker 5: Pattern throughout because in two thousand and nine to twenty
Speaker 5: twelve is the eleven nuclear scientists, and then you have
Speaker 5: the British ones, then we have ours, and I'm sure
Speaker 5: where there's more if.
Speaker 3: We keep looking. The list that I sent you was
Speaker 3: like one hundred and sixteen of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to look at it, honestly. Oh, so that one
Speaker 4: it is like recent.
Speaker 3: You'd have to scroll down, will I guess?
Speaker 2: Maybe let's see, I don't know if they're in chronological Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're in chronological wor so this is we're going back
Speaker 2: in time here twenty ten? Wow?
Speaker 4: Okay, you know what?
Speaker 5: So there was so in twenty nineteen and missing American
Speaker 5: scientist Susanne Eaton was found dead in abandoned World War
Speaker 5: two bunker in Greece, which makes absolutely no sense. Nothing
Speaker 5: of the story makes sense, and the Greece, the Greek
Speaker 5: people just pretty much said, yeah, well.
Speaker 3: We weren't really sure how this happened.
Speaker 5: She was found seven miles away a bunker from where
Speaker 5: she was supposed to be giving a speech, and nothing
Speaker 5: of this story makes any sense.
Speaker 3: And that was a weird one.
Speaker 5: And then another guy was found a missing US government
Speaker 5: scientist found dead. That was in twenty eighteen, and his
Speaker 5: body just vanished. He vanished for six weeks and then
Speaker 5: was found dead. And none of it makes any sense
Speaker 5: about his story either, and they don't. They just kind
Speaker 5: of ruled it out, like they just said, there's no suspect,
Speaker 5: no foul play, and it's whatever. And he was tackling
Speaker 5: Ebola and Zeka viruses before he died. A virologists.
Speaker 2: Fifth holistic doctor died in Florida, making five dead and
Speaker 2: five more missing. That was in twenty fifteen. So you
Speaker 2: had ten holistic doctors, all just they're no longer with us,
Speaker 2: all within a few months of each other. Holy shit,
Speaker 2: that was in twenty fifteen. Don't even me wrong, but like, okay,
Speaker 2: June nineteenth, June twenty first, June twenty ninth, Une third,
Speaker 2: or July third rather July tenth. These are the ones
Speaker 2: that we know what happened to them. And there's also
Speaker 2: five missing on top.
Speaker 6: Of that.
Speaker 5: Then, and this government guy was twenty eighteen, which was
Speaker 5: working on virology, and yeah, it's it's crazy, Like the
Speaker 5: whole list is crazy.
Speaker 2: It only goes to twenty fifteen though, dead scientists, and
Speaker 2: four to twenty fifteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's well I found like the one in twenty twenty, nineteen,
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen. They're scattered around where they're where they're actually located.
Speaker 5: But like, no one has confirmed why or how these
Speaker 5: people have died. They kind of just like, oh they died.
Speaker 5: It's with enormous sadness and regret.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, they passed away.
Speaker 4: Check this out. Twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: Gallera Bags bagger Za Day died January seventeenth when she
Speaker 2: was shot outside of her She an Iranian molecular scientist,
Speaker 2: was gunned down in her car as she drove home,
Speaker 2: believed she was followed by someone who was waiting for
Speaker 2: She was struck by a single bullet that entered the
Speaker 2: passenger door window as she talked on her cell phone
Speaker 2: with her ex boyfriend. She was a molecular genetic technology
Speaker 2: student at M. D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston and
Speaker 2: also active in promoting Iranian women's rights.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well she was an Iranian woman that had to
Speaker 2: leave Iran to go anywhere with her life because obviously
Speaker 2: Iran's not exactly kind of women.
Speaker 4: And in twenty twelve she got got in Houston. Yeah.
Speaker 5: In twenty eleven, there was a plane crash with five
Speaker 5: Russian scientists, nuclear scientists, all working within the plant.
Speaker 3: All she died.
Speaker 2: A NASA robotics expert died when his single engine plane
Speaker 2: nose dive shortly after takeoff.
Speaker 4: I was in twenty twenty fifteen.
Speaker 5: March eighteenth, twenty eleven, old boy jumps from the George Bridge.
Speaker 5: He was a nuclear engineer for thirty years, experience design, construction,
Speaker 5: startup of nuclear government and nuclear facilities. His expertise was
Speaker 5: in nuclear safety and regulations, hazard assessment, safety analysis. And yeah,
Speaker 5: he goes on and tell them about but he jumped
Speaker 5: to his death. Another one died of unknown things, one
Speaker 5: died in a car crash, One was assassinated, and that
Speaker 5: was the remote control bomb inside of his motorcycle near
Speaker 5: his car detonated. That was that was he is a
Speaker 5: nuclear physicist at Tyron University.
Speaker 4: Tehran, Iran.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's yeah, he's Iranian.
Speaker 5: Iranian doctor Muhammadi Mohammedi fifty was assassinated January eleventh.
Speaker 3: And twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So some were missing, some were dead.
Speaker 2: There's clearly a line of thought to say that whenever
Speaker 2: a scientist or a group of scientists working in a
Speaker 2: certain field all mysteriously vanish, get assassinated, die in weird ways,
Speaker 2: that we need to do a deeper investigation. I don't
Speaker 2: think that's a crazy statement to make, right, And there's
Speaker 2: historical precedents for this. I brought up the situation in England,
Speaker 2: You brought up the situation in India, and then we
Speaker 2: had this long list here and I mean just that
Speaker 2: we got these ten doctors holistic doctors here, three other
Speaker 2: holistic doctors within two weeks of each other, and it's
Speaker 2: it's all crazy. So at that time in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: holistic doctors getting got that was kind of a big
Speaker 2: talking point back in that time too.
Speaker 4: It still is.
Speaker 5: Four neurobiologists were all murdered on February thirteenth, twenty ten. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 5: like they're just they're grouping them together, They're they're murdering
Speaker 5: and assassinating these groups of scientists because that's a big
Speaker 5: conversation that's always been had to remove, like because the
Speaker 5: scientists are really the forefront of all human innovation. So
Speaker 5: if you remove the smartest people of the population, then
Speaker 5: the rest of the people are going to kind of
Speaker 5: flounder around. And so it's interesting that there's proof of
Speaker 5: all these groups of scientists that are being killed and murdered,
Speaker 5: and this is now the new group of them. But
Speaker 5: they were clearly all working on science related or space
Speaker 5: related things.
Speaker 4: So let's talk about that now.
Speaker 2: So with the scientists that have in the recent months
Speaker 2: all gone missing or been found dead or something along
Speaker 2: these lines, were murdered, we're assassinated, shot on their front porch,
Speaker 2: some sort of a weird and I still don't I
Speaker 2: don't know if that was a love triangle or some
Speaker 2: sort of an affair gone wrong.
Speaker 4: It very well might have been.
Speaker 2: But and again, each of these individual scientists that we've
Speaker 2: covered on this episode this evening, right, if it was
Speaker 2: a single case, even the three people that were murder suicide,
Speaker 2: that whole thing, it's crazy, but crazier shit has happened,
Speaker 2: and you've heard of things crazier going down, so like, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's no big deal.
Speaker 4: I could see it.
Speaker 2: I could see the plot for all of this to
Speaker 2: be going down in such a short condensed time frame,
Speaker 2: especially the head of Right Patterson, the scientists that worked
Speaker 2: on the propulsion components, one of the people that worked
Speaker 2: at the lab in New Mexico, them just taking off,
Speaker 2: leaving their cell phones and just dipping this. All these
Speaker 2: things tied in together like this, All right, ravenly theory time.
Speaker 4: What is your take? Because there's no theory that's any
Speaker 4: less or more crazy than the others.
Speaker 5: At this point, I don't know why my mind keeps
Speaker 5: coming back to Stonehenge.
Speaker 2: I know that we did.
Speaker 3: What the fuck keep I keep.
Speaker 5: Going back to what what the proposal of Ai of
Speaker 5: the machine of stone Hinge? And I keep coming back
Speaker 5: to this. And because AI, just Grock, just was able
Speaker 5: to unlock the written language that people have been trying
Speaker 5: to unlock for a long time. That just happened literally yesterday,
Speaker 5: day before, and I'm just thinking about all like the technology,
Speaker 5: how Artemis hit The weird path of Artemist two is on.
Speaker 5: It's very strange how China and Russia have been talking
Speaker 5: a bunch about getting to you know, put a nuclear
Speaker 5: plant on the Moon and doing all that situation, and
Speaker 5: then us trying to push forward with the AI technology
Speaker 5: for space, and then Elon consistently talking about putting his
Speaker 5: spaceship up there and how we need to get to
Speaker 5: Mars and we need to do this, and like we're
Speaker 5: gonna have to set up this base and we're going
Speaker 5: to push forward out into the universe to be able
Speaker 5: to expand the human consciousness. And then looking at all
Speaker 5: of these people and you know, astrophysicists and rec on
Speaker 5: a space and nuclear weapons, natural science, alloy inventors, the
Speaker 5: alien do that knew and was connected to everybody. I
Speaker 5: just have a hard time thinking that it doesn't involve
Speaker 5: something to do with space. And now I don't know,
Speaker 5: if I don't know, it seems more likely that a
Speaker 5: foreign actor was probably involved in taking out these people,
Speaker 5: because if they actually have a or and or kidnapping
Speaker 5: them or they ran away, I'm not sure. It seems
Speaker 5: like a foreign actor is a heavy potential, or our
Speaker 5: own government. But it seems really interesting that the two
Speaker 5: that worked at the what is this called los Alamos. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they they both left everything behind within like what forty
Speaker 5: days of each other, and dipped out the exact same way.
Speaker 5: Even though she worked in admin and like they didn't,
Speaker 5: they still were high up, though they still were involved
Speaker 5: in things. It's just really odd some of the circumstances
Speaker 5: in which the ones that actually went missing went missing.
Speaker 5: Because I hike all the time, sure, and for her
Speaker 5: to be waving and smiling and all this if there
Speaker 5: was a landslide or if there was some type of
Speaker 5: she fell or anything like that. But if you would
Speaker 5: have heard her, you would have heard the rocks, you
Speaker 5: would have heard her yell. Ye, you would have heard
Speaker 5: her fall. You would have seen the body. They would
Speaker 5: have recovered a body, they would have seen evidence of
Speaker 5: her disappearing.
Speaker 3: She just up and vanished, like literally vanished.
Speaker 5: And then old Boy the general going out like guns,
Speaker 5: slinging out there with a gun and just like hey,
Speaker 5: I'm out here at a party. And then the other
Speaker 5: two pretty much packing bags and dipping out. It's like, okay,
Speaker 5: so is it.
Speaker 3: Possible that this is not of human origin? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Is it our government? Is it people?
Speaker 5: I mean, I have literally no idea but I find
Speaker 5: it really interesting that there's a pattern of scientists being
Speaker 5: murdered in groups.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it has been for decades, And.
Speaker 4: So I'm with you that I think that there's a
Speaker 4: clear connection between all of it.
Speaker 2: Honestly, everybody that we have talked about this evening has
Speaker 2: had some sort of a connection to space, nuclear weapons,
Speaker 2: rocket propulsion, or some sort of a mixture of all
Speaker 2: the above.
Speaker 4: Right, And even the one guy who was like the biologist.
Speaker 3: That was found the chemical biologists, which keep.
Speaker 2: In mind, whenever we were looking at the whole uh
Speaker 2: oh shit, what was it called the atlas three or
Speaker 2: three eye at lists, Right, they were looking at color
Speaker 2: signatures to see if there was some sort of possible
Speaker 2: biological life. They were looking at the chemical signatures to
Speaker 2: see if there was possible biological life, right, And they
Speaker 2: were going on and on about how they had the
Speaker 2: right composite mixture to potentially house life on that object.
Speaker 2: You remember us talking about that. And they could tell
Speaker 2: that through spectral not grammatic graphy, spectral I forget what
Speaker 2: it was called, but basically you're taking you're looking at
Speaker 2: what the chemical particles are giving you through a light
Speaker 2: spectrograph to see what colors resonate, and you could tell, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: we know that that's methane, we know that that's oxygen,
Speaker 2: we know that carbon does that color, and like there's
Speaker 2: scientific ways that you're able to do this. They were
Speaker 2: using his title of research to do that chemical biology.
Speaker 2: So to say that he's not connected, I respectfully disagree. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know what project he was working on last,
Speaker 2: or what his laboratory was specialized in.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: What I am saying is that all of these things
Speaker 2: I feel like are connected. Now the murder suicide, Is
Speaker 2: it possible it was some sort of a romance gone awry? Yes,
Speaker 2: do I believe that? I mean maybe maybe, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna negate that that's a real thing. The fact that
Speaker 2: both of them were named Jamie. If that's the case,
Speaker 2: he obviously has a thing for skinny, white blonde women
Speaker 2: like Okay, okay, It's very possible there was some sort
Speaker 2: of shit going on there, very very Tyler Perry movie esque,
Speaker 2: if you will, I could see it, But I'm not convinced,
Speaker 2: especially because of where they were all stationed.
Speaker 4: But I'm putting that to the side.
Speaker 2: It's possible, coupled with the multiple experts in leading people
Speaker 2: walking off in the desert by their lonesome just buy right,
Speaker 2: coupled with the leader of his field being shot on
Speaker 2: his front porch by some snyder for no reason, whenever
Speaker 2: he was already caught on the property once, already with
Speaker 2: a rifle. As crazy as fuck that they released him
Speaker 2: but okay, sounds to me like somebody at the top
Speaker 2: told somebody on the bottom to release that guy, even
Speaker 2: though it was clear that he was a violent criminal.
Speaker 2: But okay, release him tells me there was some conspiracy there.
Speaker 2: You got your Portuguese homie and this guy with his
Speaker 2: psycho babbling about how excellent and brilliant he was that
Speaker 2: took him out. Sounds like he was very brilliant mathematically,
Speaker 2: but probably very feeble on the social.
Speaker 4: Aspect of it.
Speaker 2: And it sounds like he could have been coerced to
Speaker 2: do some things on behalf of somebody else. Also sounds
Speaker 2: very conspiratorial to me, just sung it out. I think
Speaker 2: that it's all connected.
Speaker 4: Now. The big question is the why.
Speaker 2: Right do I believe that it's aliens that is the
Speaker 2: reason behind it, or the motive or even possibly the
Speaker 2: vehicle in certain cases, maybe is it just aerospace in
Speaker 2: general and space exploration.
Speaker 4: I like that you brought up, Musk.
Speaker 2: Is it is there any greater than zero percent chance
Speaker 2: that Elon has done this and hired some people. And
Speaker 2: I mean, you got god tier level wealth, So is
Speaker 2: it possible he hired some former Moussade, former CIA guys
Speaker 2: to go in and brainwash some people to do.
Speaker 4: Some wild shit.
Speaker 2: There is definitely a greater than zero percent chance of
Speaker 2: this because he wants to monopolize space. I don't know
Speaker 2: that for a fact, but I could see the riding
Speaker 2: on the board if you see what I'm saying here,
Speaker 2: all of that together. I don't know if it's our government.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a foreign government. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's neither of a government, but it's a
Speaker 2: person himself as in a.
Speaker 4: Bill Gates, Elon Musk, something along these lines. It's also
Speaker 4: could be aliens.
Speaker 2: Some of these people might be going off in the
Speaker 2: desert so that they can be taken up by the
Speaker 2: entities that they have been in contact with.
Speaker 4: For quite some time.
Speaker 2: And I commit Congressman Burchett or Burkitt, I don't know
Speaker 2: how to pronounce your name, sir, but if you're listening,
Speaker 2: I will learn. I commend him for speaking out on
Speaker 2: it and saying that the government is lying to us,
Speaker 2: even though he is a part of the government.
Speaker 4: Fucking props to the boy.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so good.
Speaker 4: Cult members, we want to know what you think.
Speaker 2: What is your take on the wildness of what's going
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