WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:07.400 It's nice side with Dan Ray. I'm going Boston's niche radio. 2 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:11.080 Dan Watkins, Is Dan Watkins still in the newsroom? Still here? 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:11.599 What's going on? 4 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:11.880 Dan? 5 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:14.679 How come we cot get guys like Brad Marshan. 6 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:18.359 I know, Brad marsh and Aj Greyer, Jesper bo Quiz. 7 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:21.160 There was like four former Bruins that all handed the 8 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:23.079 cup to each other right in a row in succession. 9 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:24.800 It was a little painful to watch. 10 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:27.559 Let me tell you. I was rooting for marsh and 11 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:29.800 I really was same are them you know? I mean 12 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:35.359 that little ball of hate in a row? Wow? Wow? 13 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:38.880 Thanks Thanks Dan. Thanks for the update of devas I 14 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:42.560 mentioned that as well. So Raffie's City five hundred for 15 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:44.679 the Giants and the Socks are down eight nothing So 16 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:50.759 oh it's another night. It's another New England night. Thanks 17 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.520 Dan Watkins. As always, we are talking about the Karen 18 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:57.200 Reid trial and it's getting a little spirited, which is okay, 19 00:00:57.240 --> 00:00:59.560 and I think some of you would taken a little personally. 20 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:03.399 Don't take it personally, okay. I want to hear your viewpoints, 21 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.519 but when you start telling me stuff that I haven't 22 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:09.760 heard about in the trial, I get a little worried 23 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:13.920 because the implication of what John from Boston was saying 24 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:18.760 that this Boston police officer who apparently did have someone 25 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:23.439 what would seem to be inconsistent testimony, but she claimed 26 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:27.920 that she had incorrectly recalled something and then walked up 27 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.799 the stairs to meet the commissioner's office. I've criticized Michael Cox, 28 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:34.239 but I don't think Michael Cox would be involved in 29 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:37.920 and he's the police commissioner. So I do not want 30 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:42.959 anybody's name on this program disparaged unfairly. That's one of 31 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:49.400 the things. I'm pretty cognizant of slander laws and defamation laws. 32 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:52.000 So you know, police, I know all of you are 33 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:55.159 you know, probably better lawyers than I am, and probably 34 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:57.840 have much more experience in courtrooms than I do, which 35 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:03.519 is fine not but again, if we're having a conversation, uh, 36 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:06.400 and I challenge you on the conversation. That's what I do. 37 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.560 That's what my job is. I'm not supposed to sit 38 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:12.719 here like a potted plant and say, well, John, you're 39 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.000 on the ear. You go right ahead for five minutes 40 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:18.120 and let me let me listen to your wisdoms. That's 41 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:21.360 not what I'm doing. That's not the way I conduct 42 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:24.280 the show, and I'm surprised that John doesn't know that 43 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:27.360 because John is a regular call it. Anyway, let's continue 44 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:29.240 right now. We're going to pick the pace up here 45 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:32.280 and to go to Sheila in Boston. Sheila, you are 46 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:33.719 next on Nightside. Welcome. 47 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.039 Oh well, hello, thank you for taking my car. 48 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.280 Oh hello, Shela. 49 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:40.759 My question. 50 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:43.439 You know, I'm not an expert at all. 51 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:46.680 Well, we've had enough experts. We've had a lot of 52 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:50.520 experts tonight ahead, right, But. 53 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:55.400 My thing is being able to like, why haven't they 54 00:02:55.759 --> 00:03:00.439 had another judge on the second time around here? 55 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:03.639 Why wasn't another judge pick? 56 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:11.080 Well, first of all, it's not required if the judge 57 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:16.120 wants to recuse him herself, himself or herself and say, gee, 58 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:19.120 I sat in the first trial and I would prefer 59 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:23.879 to to allow a second judge to sit here. I 60 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:27.199 don't think that there was a recusal motion made by 61 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:33.879 the defense. If the defense thought that the judge was 62 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:38.400 inherently unfair, they could make a recusal motion at any point. So, 63 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:41.479 to the best of my knowledge, no such motion was made, 64 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.960 and that the judge basically, no judge knows the case 65 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:48.360 better than the current judge. I think that I criticized 66 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.680 the judge a year ago. I felt that, in my opinion, 67 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.520 just my opinion, that she should have inquired of the 68 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:56.360 jury when they came back and said that they were 69 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:00.240 that they were hung, that she should have said you 70 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:05.960 are you deadlocked on all three counts or on you 71 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:09.879 know lesser, And she never asked that question. And then 72 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.280 the jurors came forward remember last July, and talked to 73 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:16.879 defense lawyers and said, we were pretty much ready to 74 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:20.240 acquit her on one in three and we were only 75 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:23.319 hung up on two. And that might be the same 76 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:26.879 situation that the judge might face tomorrow or the next day. 77 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:31.120 And if that happens, it will be interesting if she 78 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:35.079 asked the question. It would be really Let's say the 79 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:38.079 jury comes back and says we're hung. If she were 80 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.120 to dismiss the jury and say, okay, thank you for 81 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.199 your service, I'll talk to you know, back in the 82 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:47.800 jury room, which most judges do, that would be really 83 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.360 interesting because I would hope that she would say to 84 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:53.600 this jury, when you tell me that you're hung, mister Foreman, 85 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:56.759 are you hung on all three counts? Are you deadlocked 86 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.959 on all three counts? Or do you have a consensus 87 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.079 or an agreement on one or more of the counts. 88 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.759 You can't make that same mistake twice, I would hope. 89 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.160 I would hope not, because there's nothing wrong with the 90 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:15.519 jury deciding two, you know, two counts as being acquittal 91 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.040 and the other is being deadlocked. Our two counts being 92 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:25.279 guilty or one count being guilty in one count being acquittal, right, 93 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:27.879 And I think I think the jury today was a 94 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:29.160 little concerned about that too. 95 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.120 And I'm just getting out of work really, so I 96 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.160 don't even know too much. I just heard a little 97 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:38.399 bit saying what they they had questions and there were 98 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:39.160 four questions. 99 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:41.480 Yeah, we went we went over those earlier. There were 100 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:46.000 four questions that No, that's okay, and you'll you'll read 101 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.519 about them, you know, tomorrow in the newspaper. I have 102 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:50.480 them here. I can run them pretty quickly by you 103 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.920 just said. There are others I'm sure tonight who have 104 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:57.800 not heard them. The first question was a question of 105 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:02.399 the timing of the OUI charge, whether or not what 106 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:06.279 was the time frame for the the operating under the 107 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:10.680 influence charge, because remember, the accident occurred or the event 108 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:14.199 occurred sometime around I guess twelve thirty quarter or one, 109 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:18.399 and then she drove home and woke up the next 110 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:21.079 day at five thirty and was then back on the scene. 111 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:25.399 The second one was more direct and said the video 112 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:29.560 clips of Karen's interviews evidence and how could we consider them? 113 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.319 And the judge answered that one pretty clearly that for 114 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:36.720 question two, yeah, the videos are evidence. Weigh the defended 115 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:39.879 statements as you would any other piece of evidence. On 116 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:44.000 that question one, which was a more confusing question, the 117 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:47.759 judge sort of demurred on it and said you are 118 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:53.920 the fact finder and really didn't answer the question. And 119 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:59.519 on our question three, which was does guilty on a 120 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:02.759 subject charge mean guilty on the overall charge? And what 121 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:08.160 they meant by that is that she's facing three three charges, 122 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:14.959 including manslaughter while operating a vehicle under the influence of liquor. However, 123 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:19.519 there are lesser included charges, which would be involuntary manslaughter, 124 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:27.160 which is different from manslaughter while operating a a motor 125 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:33.319 vehicle homicide charge which would not include any recommendation, no 126 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:38.040 finding on alcohol, or operating under the influence. So those 127 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:42.480 are the three questions, and her response on that one 128 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:47.439 was a guilty vote on a subordinate charge to o Ui, 129 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:52.199 manslaughter makes her guilty of the primary charge. They asked 130 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:59.639 that question and the judge said, let me see here 131 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:01.079 can degrees. 132 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:02.560 That. 133 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:05.920 Actually, I don't have the I don't have her answer 134 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:08.879 here a question three, she says guilty. Vote on a 135 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:12.959 subordinate charge to ouy, manslaughter makes her guilty of the 136 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:17.199 primary charge. Jackson said the answer is no, obviously and 137 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:20.800 suggest that the new verdict slip. She I think she 138 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.920 agreed with Jackson on that. So the kid's confusing, doesn't 139 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:26.079 it doesn't it? 140 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:27.439 And thank you so much. 141 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:32.240 I feel so special privileged here getting all that updated information. 142 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:32.840 Thank you. 143 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:34.720 Well, there was a lot of other people who probably 144 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.279 haven't heard the entire show either. Sheila, thank you so much. 145 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.399 Thank you keep calling it my show. I really appreciate it. 146 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:42.200 Thank you, Okay, I will thanks. 147 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:44.120 Great night, Good night. We'll take a quick break. Coming 148 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:49.480 right back on Nightside, Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm 149 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:54.879 you b Boston's news Radio. Back to the phones we go, 150 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:57.320 where we're going to go to Michael and Attleborough. Michael 151 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:58.519 next on Nightside, grow ahead. 152 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.440 I'm tying Dan, I don't have a charge of Romney 153 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:03.919 pulled over a half hour ago. 154 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:06.600 I'm sorry, man, some of these some of them, yeah. 155 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.639 Right, hopefully the hopefully the police officers you can't call 156 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:11.759 them crops. Hopefully they won't pull up and ask me 157 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:14.639 what I'm doing. They did a few years back. 158 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:17.679 That's okay, if they do it, they'll they understand, go 159 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:18.240 right ahead. 160 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:20.960 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they buddy ZRs. 161 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:22.200 Anyway, you had to throw that in. 162 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.799 Why why does the judge and why was she allowed 163 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.559 to leave Colin Albert out of it? 164 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:31.879 Who? 165 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.240 By the way, by the way, I believe the foot 166 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:39.200 edge belonged to him, I think, I think, but whatever, Yeah, 167 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:40.279 I don't. 168 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:44.559 Know about that. We understanding is that in the second trial, 169 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:50.320 the one currently underway, Yeah, just concluded, never brought up 170 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:55.200 the third party defense, the idea that, okay, that that 171 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:57.679 anyone else was involved. I think there was a lot 172 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:01.519 of conversation and testimony in the first trial, but they 173 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:05.840 decided to take the defense decided to take a different tactic, 174 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:10.639 which was that, hey, she never hit him. The forensics 175 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:14.679 in the case are more favorable to us, and let's 176 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:18.440 not confuse matters. That's what I believe from where I'm sitting, 177 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:19.360 is there. 178 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:22.759 Yeah, Well, that's a ticking. He's a ticking time, but 179 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.360 I'm trying to beat the battery here. I apologize he's 180 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:27.039 a ticking time. 181 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:33.360 I prefer not to slander someone who's not a in 182 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:36.759 this case because I don't know him. I don't know 183 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:38.919 if you know him, but I don't know that you 184 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.360 know him. So let's leave him out of it in 185 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.639 terms of good point. But I don't want my station 186 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:45.000 to be sued for slander. 187 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:46.440 Okay, Okay. 188 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:49.799 One last thing is I don't see any emotion when 189 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:54.480 they show oh, Keith Spotty. I see absolutely no emotion 190 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:59.919 from Karen Reid. Nothing, no wiping tears away, nothing. 191 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.200 Yeah, I don't think she did. I don't think she 192 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:06.399 helped herself in those television interviews, which now are the 193 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:10.080 only in effect testimony from Karen Reid that they're going 194 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:14.960 to see. Now, maybe maybe the other evidence washes those away, 195 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:21.039 but yeah, it's it's it's it's one of those cases. 196 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:25.279 I think that there there isn't you would think that 197 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:29.639 at some point, maybe when it's over, she'll say I 198 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:33.960 was devastated. He was the love of my life and 199 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.600 and now he's gone. I had nothing to do with it. 200 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:38.480 Who knows? You just don't know. 201 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:42.679 Okay, Sheila Michael, you too, Thanks for Carlin. 202 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:44.919 Thanks for your patience. That moves it along a little bit. 203 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.919 Thank you. Next up, Patty on the North Shore. Patty, 204 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:49.360 you were next on Nightside. Welcome. 205 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.720 Oh hi, I just wanted to say, I'm quite entertaining 206 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:56.279 listening to all these people. 207 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.000 Well, that's the whole idea of the show. It it's entertaining, 208 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.440 and maybe it's also a little informative. Maybe it helps 209 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:06.360 people who haven't had the chance to sit in front 210 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:09.840 of the TV all day or review the videotapes all night. 211 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:12.879 Maybe it's gonna help people. That's the whole idea. 212 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:18.639 Yeah, but unfortunately they're not telling all the evidence. But anyway, 213 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:21.639 so the story that the defense want you to believe 214 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:24.000 is that he went in the house and he had 215 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:27.799 a fight with his buddies and evidently he died or 216 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:30.720 the dog bit him and killed him. They dragged the 217 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.840 body and threw it on the front lawn. So Camaron 218 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:38.639 Reid has her car at her house, and nobody even 219 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:42.559 knew that John O'Keefe was dead till six in the morning, 220 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:46.639 six thirty. So Proctor and all the other gangsters went 221 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:50.240 to her house, cracked her tail light, then went back 222 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.639 to the crime scene and put all the tail light 223 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:58.360 on the front yard. It's amazing, just amazing. And the 224 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.200 other thing I have to say is I've never seen 225 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:06.679 a judge give so much leeway to these defense attorneys. 226 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:08.320 The third thing I have. 227 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:12.279 To say, I must tell you I said I thought. 228 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:15.080 She was great. Well, I think she's a wonderful judgement. 229 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:18.000 Well, I'm not making a comment of that, but I 230 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:23.200 have thought that she's most of her rulings, and this 231 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:27.360 is just my observation is that she's more a prosecution 232 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:32.320 prosecutorial inclined judge. I think that the defense lawyers have 233 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:35.879 battled her much more than the prosecutors have. 234 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:39.799 Okay, but I think that she gave on the jury's 235 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.200 slip was quite unusual. She kind of gave them everything 236 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:47.279 really that they wanted. Jackson. Really, I think she's a 237 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:51.159 wonderful judge, and how people are bashing her, it's unbelievable. 238 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:55.960 And also Brennan, Brennan, I think is brilliant. If they 239 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:59.039 listen to the evidence and listen to everything that you said, 240 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:02.960 I would find your guilty your second degree murder based 241 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:03.879 on the evidence. 242 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:08.120 How do you how do you come up with I'm 243 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:09.639 just curious how you come up with that. 244 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:12.279 I can't go through all no, we don't have time 245 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:13.720 right to go off through no no. 246 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:16.120 But what I'm saying is second degree murder is the 247 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:19.639 least likely. Generally, second degree murder is an overcharge here. 248 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.919 I think the prosecution will be very happy if they 249 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.759 got either a manslaughter or an involuntary manslaughter. To get 250 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.799 second degree murder, you have to prove some intention that 251 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:37.440 she in her mind she backed the car into him intentionally. 252 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:42.279 The well the defense is saying. The defense is saying, 253 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:47.840 there's no evidence that her car hit him, that the 254 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:48.799 car never hit him. 255 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:49.960 That's I know. 256 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:52.519 But there's so much evidence, you know, Dan, I just 257 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.480 think if you listen to it and try to understand it, 258 00:14:55.759 --> 00:15:00.240 the engineers really are very confusing, and all the witness 259 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:03.039 so the defense again in paved and naturally they're going 260 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.519 to say what the defense wants them to say. The 261 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:07.759 other thing I have to say is why don't people 262 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:13.840 listen to her speaking all her interviews, she admitted could 263 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:15.320 I have hit him? I clipped this, it's. 264 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:17.600 In front of that all that, all those interviews are 265 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:19.039 in front of the jury, and as a matter of fact, 266 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:22.039 one of the questions today, uh was the jury asked 267 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:25.200 whether or not her interviews could be used as evidence, 268 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.279 and the judge said absolutely. 269 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:29.360 Yes, yeah, absolutely. And the thing is, she said in 270 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:32.639 one of the clips, she said, I I clipped him. 271 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.039 Could I have clipped him? I told Yanetti my lawyer. 272 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:39.240 My lawyer said I'm culpable, So I don't understand him. 273 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.240 I don't think oh she said that in one of 274 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:44.279 the clips as well. 275 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:47.159 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 276 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.679 Well again, I don't know the context. I don't know 277 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.600 the context. I suspect that there's a bigger context to 278 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:58.200 that statement because I don't think let me finish play it. 279 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:02.000 The defense didn't the full clip. 280 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:05.720 Well, the defense didn't play. The defense didn't play any 281 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:06.440 of the flips. 282 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:10.759 They know why because yeah, it makes it culpable. The 283 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:12.519 other one thing because you know, I don't want to 284 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:14.279 hold it up and everybody. 285 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:17.799 Yeah, well, by the way, I don't think I think 286 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:21.960 that if they had that particular statement. Again, you're you're 287 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:23.720 throwing a lot of stuff at me here and I'm 288 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:28.320 feeling like I'm back playing goal. And I don't think 289 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:32.200 that that if the prosecution had her saying oh yeah, 290 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.240 my lawyer told me that I was culpable and that 291 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.679 I had hit him. Uh, that's what I think I 292 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.000 heard you say. I kind of imagine that they would 293 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:42.679 not have put that in the end. 294 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.200 They did, because I watched it. They did. I'm not 295 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.840 you know the clip one of the clips you said 296 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:55.240 originally Brennan had shown shown it and she said, you know, 297 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:58.159 she was talking a lot and I shouldn't have been 298 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.200 driving on the highway because I had a lot to 299 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:03.480 She's saying all this, and then she. 300 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:09.079 Said, well, if you're accurate, if you're accurate, Patty, Okay, no, 301 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.599 but if you're accurate, I want you and when the 302 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:13.960 verdict comes in, I want you to call and take 303 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:17.079 a victory lap because you obviously have nailed it. Because 304 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:20.279 if you're accurate, she's going down on all three. 305 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.160 Yeah, but they're not watch it. Well, I hope so. 306 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:27.119 Well. I'm just telling you that your interpretation would come 307 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:29.839 back as a slim dunk conviction, and I'm not sure 308 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:32.279 that's what's going to happen. Daddy. I got to run here. 309 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.400 I got to take one morning for the break. Patty. 310 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:38.839 We've done seven minutes. We've done seven minutes, and I 311 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:40.880 know you waited a long time, but I get other people. 312 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:43.559 The next callers has waited thirty eight minutes, so I 313 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:45.359 have to be fair to everyone. So you got a 314 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.920 lot in and I thank you for your call. Okay, 315 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.720 thank you very much, appreciate it. Next up is Christine. Christine, 316 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:54.759 go right ahead and get you in before the news here, 317 00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:55.759 go ahead, Christine. 318 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:56.880 How you doing, Dan? 319 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:00.960 I'm pretty I feel like a in a fifteen round 320 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:02.200 fight tonight. But that's okay. 321 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:05.359 I know that I might have no right to say 322 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:05.920 that to you. 323 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:10.160 No big deal. You know, we believe in freedom of speech. 324 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:15.519 Okay, go ahead, that's beyond the belt, come on, you know, yeah, 325 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:21.039 no problem. I had a question her, Oh U want level? 326 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:25.279 Did they do it? Did they do a breathalyzer with her? 327 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:27.640 I'm not sure if it was a breathalyzer or if 328 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:30.119 it was a blood alcohol content to be honest with you, 329 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:33.480 but they did something with her, uh at nine, at 330 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:36.640 about quarter of nine, and I think that they came 331 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:45.079 back with a either a BAC level UH pretty high. 332 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:49.200 And if you believe that that you know by time, 333 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:51.640 you know if you have let's say you have five 334 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.759 drinks in an hour and all of a sudden, those 335 00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:58.440 five drinks have built your alcohol level up let's say 336 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:02.960 too and and normally what they'll say is that a 337 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.079 mixed drink or a glass of wine or beer will 338 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.839 kick you up point oh two. So if you have 339 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:13.440 two beers real, yeah, it depends upon your size, it 340 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:17.799 depends upon your you know your your genetics and and 341 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:20.799 and you're all of the you know your how much 342 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.599 alcohol you can absorb. But what they're saying is, on average, 343 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.720 if let's say you drink four beers in an hour 344 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:31.279 or four glasses of wine in an hour, what they 345 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:33.400 will tell you. The experts will tell you that for 346 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:38.039 every drink, assuming it's a regular sized drink, your your 347 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:41.920 alcohol level is gonna go up point oh two. So 348 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.680 let's assume you have four beers, so you go up 349 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:47.519 point oh two times four. Now you're at point oh eight. 350 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.400 But your body will will in an hour take one 351 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:54.640 of those beers away. So even though you have four 352 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:57.359 beers in an hour, you're gonna be point oh six. 353 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:00.960 That's what the experts will tell you. Okay, Now, if 354 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:05.920 let's say you start drinking at midnight and you drink 355 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:10.599 until three o'clock in the morning, and then you leave 356 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:16.559 the bar and you're caught driving at four and they 357 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:20.359 do a breathalyzer on you, and you come back at 358 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:24.160 let's say, at four o'clock at zero point one six, 359 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:28.079 They're going to be able to work that back and say, well, 360 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:34.440 probably you know by three o'clock you were zero point 361 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:36.920 one eight, do you know? I mean, they have ways 362 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:39.480 in which they can try to figure the mathematics of it, 363 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:41.599 is all I'm trying to sadier, Christine. 364 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.480 Is it true that I heard she had nine drinks 365 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:46.880 like twin bars? 366 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:50.680 I think that some of the evidence suggested that at 367 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:56.039 the bar before the party she had been given seven drinks. 368 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:01.319 But but she said, she said that on all of 369 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:03.680 those drinks she only took one or two SIPs. So 370 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:06.519 if you if you serve seven drinks and you only 371 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:09.160 take one or two SIPs, if that's the truth, and 372 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:11.559 there was a video cam, so they probably had some 373 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.400 video cam evidence of that, you could make the argument 374 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.079 that I might have had been served seven drinks, paid 375 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.240 for seven drinks, but I didn't drain seven drinks. I 376 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:24.319 drank the equivalent of a couple of SIPs here, a 377 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:26.960 couple of SIPs there, a couple of SIPs here three SIPs. Here, 378 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:29.279 I drank the equivalent of one or two drinks, even 379 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:30.359 though I paid for seven. 380 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:31.880 Right. 381 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:37.599 Wow, that's incredible. Yeah, are those are those bars? Are 382 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:42.680 they gonna take any disciplinary action if, like with all 383 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:43.960 of this too, they should. 384 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.160 I don't know. I don't know. If they're waiting for 385 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:53.400 the conclusion of the trial, they could potentially if the 386 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:56.240 argument is in the civil case. I believe there's a 387 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:02.240 civil case filed against her. I believe the o'key family. Uh, 388 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.720 maybe even even on behalf of the children that he 389 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:12.200 had adopted. Uh, it's conceivable that obviously the bars have insurance. 390 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:15.440 The Bars have what's called deep pockets. She may not 391 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:18.799 have deep pockets at this point, so they may take 392 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:21.200 her in and enjoy the bars as the Bars as 393 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:24.319 co defendants if the evidence suggests that they overserved her, 394 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:30.200 like in any case, YEA, all good questions. Christine enjoyed it, 395 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:34.000 enjoyed The conversation was yours was one of the more 396 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:36.759 pleasant conversations of the night, as it always is. 397 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:39.440 What's your opinion about it? 398 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:44.200 I think she I don't think it's a I don't 399 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:47.880 think it's a second agree murder case. I think that 400 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:52.119 that the I don't think it's likely that the jury 401 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:55.119