WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759 Alright, what's going on drivetime on a Thursday afternoon, about 2 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:08.320 fifteen minutes past the hour two o'clock. We are a 3 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:12.960 little late today because admittedly Shot and I misbehaved during crosstalk. 4 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:16.839 But beautiful day outside. It is sunny and clear, little chilly, 5 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:19.839 of course, because you know it's January, but as it 6 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:21.839 is every single day, it's good. 7 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:23.199 To have you along for the ride. 8 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:25.600 So betch check. That's beyond the mic. That is Porter 9 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:30.079 Larsen behind the glass tonight, producing the show this afternoon. 10 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:33.280 This afternoon, I should say, it's still afternoon. We will 11 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:35.640 take you into the evening. We will get you ready 12 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:39.920 for the college football semi final, and we'll talk some 13 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:43.560 college football on the show. Today actually marks the start 14 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:47.799 of really five days of excellent football action if you're 15 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.600 into such things. We got a little Notre Dame Penn 16 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:54.280 State tonight, then of course Ohio State Texas tomorrow, and 17 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:57.719 then high speed ahead to the wild card weekend. In 18 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:00.759 Pro Football's a Flowers will not play coming up this 19 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.920 weekend for Baltimore against the Steelers. 20 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:05.400 I didn't realize. 21 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:08.719 Jay Flowers is the first All Pro wide receiver ever 22 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:10.959 drafted by the Baltimore Ravens. That kind of caught me 23 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:14.560 off guard, but Jay Flowers will sit. But the Ravens 24 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:17.560 are a pretty heavy favorite there. So we'll get you 25 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:19.280 ready for the game tonight. It should be fun the 26 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.359 Orange Bowl in Miami hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, Florida, 27 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:27.519 where as of now, the line is even at Penn 28 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:29.719 State slight favorite Notre Dame slight favorite. 29 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.439 It kind of went back and forth, but according to what. 30 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:33.680 I have in front of me, as of right now, 31 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:36.719 that line has moved to even over unders forty four 32 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:37.239 point five. 33 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:38.439 These are two really good. 34 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:41.400 Defensive football teams, so it'll be fun to see how 35 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:44.599 this one plays out. James Franklin with some comments about 36 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:47.680 Notre Dame joining a conference, then leave veiled shots. I 37 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:50.920 suppose at Notre Dame, who does not need to join 38 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:52.760 a conference as they've shown, and if they go win 39 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:55.079 the national championship, they're gonna have a nice twenty million 40 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:59.280 dollar check for themselves as opposed to sharing that revenue 41 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:02.000 with their conference piers. So you kind of understand the 42 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.120 model by you tried to do it for a while, 43 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:07.599 but Notre Dame really is the one institution that seems 44 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.120 to have been able to pull this off. Tomorrow's game, 45 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:14.800 Cotton Bowl A and Arlington sees Ohio State take on Texas. 46 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:17.120 Ohio State is now a six point favorite. I still 47 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:21.120 think that line is not necessarily reflective of how I 48 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:23.280 believe that game will roll. I think Ohio State beats 49 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:27.400 them by double digits. And then, of course National Championship 50 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:32.080 Game January the twentieth, So plenty of college football left 51 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:34.680 to talk about on the program today. The Utah Jazz 52 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:37.240 are back in action tonight, taking on the Miami Heat. 53 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:42.159 We saw a great NBA game last night, and you know, 54 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:46.039 a lot of the conversation surrounding pro basketball this year 55 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:48.719 has been the lack of interest and the lack of ratings. 56 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:52.159 But if you watched last night, you're it's a reminder 57 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:55.759 of what that what that game can look like when 58 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.120 the best players on the planet care and play hard. 59 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.800 It was the Cavs and the Thunder. It was real entertaining. 60 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:05.120 Donovan struggled, It was Darius Garland down the stretch and 61 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.240 some excellent play by their bigs Evan Mowbley and Jared Allen. 62 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.680 Dovin three of sixteen took sixteen shots to score eleven points. 63 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:16.039 It actually kind of felt early reminiscent of some nights 64 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:18.439 back here when Dodvan was playing for the Jazz. But 65 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:20.919 the Cavs get to win, they break over Casey's fifteen 66 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:24.280 game winning streak for a big game in the world 67 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:27.919 of pro basketball with a lot of eyes on that game. 68 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.639 So Jazz back in action tonight. Utah Hockey Club got 69 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:34.759 smoked last night by the Florida Panthers, the defending Stanley 70 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.080 Cup champs and one of the three favorites to hoist 71 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:41.479 Lord Stanley's Cup this year. But the hockey club has 72 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.560 six more home games during this seven game home stretch, 73 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.159 hopefully they can start to pick up some points. The 74 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:49.919 lack of production lately still has not really killed them 75 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:50.479 in the standings. 76 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:52.800 They're in the mix for the wild card and. 77 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:54.599 I think if they can get a wild card playoff 78 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:56.560 Berth your one in Salt Lake, that would be nothing 79 00:03:56.840 --> 00:04:00.520 other than an absolute success. Carson Beck is not going 80 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:04.280 pro Georgia quarterback who announced he was going pro last week. 81 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:07.479 He's not a very highly thought out pro prospect as 82 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:09.120 of now, but he is coming back to college. He 83 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:11.840 is entering the transfer portal because that's what players do 84 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.280 but a lot of college football on the show today. 85 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.279 Pump for this game tonight should be a lot of fun. 86 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:18.040 We'll get you the some keys to the matchup. We'll 87 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:20.600 learn a little bit more about both these two teams, 88 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:22.879 and yeah, we'll get to we'll get to that on 89 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:25.600 the program today. Good guest list Tony Jones. Been a 90 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:27.279 minute since we've been able to catch up with Tony. 91 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:29.759 He's gonna join us right off the top today He's 92 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:32.079 gonna bring in Craig Bowler, Jack Gordon Monts and I'm 93 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:35.199 told Live in studio, reunited and it feels so good. 94 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:37.680 The big show, big hour here on the Drive, brought 95 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:41.399 to you by big Otires. So Craig Buller, Jack Gordon Monson, 96 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:44.560 live in studio and then our guy Ted Robinson. Notre 97 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:47.120 Dame a lump man, this fan base, I'll tell you what, 98 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:49.839 got a lot of friends that went to Notre Dame, 99 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.120 a lot of people excited for this game tonight. Notre 100 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:55.120 Dame has not won a national championship since nineteen eighty eight. 101 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:57.519 So we'll see what Uncle Ted has to say about 102 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.519 the game tonight, and then move over to a little 103 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:04.839 sports courts on the program. As we do every Thursday 104 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.519 with our friends over at Handy and Handy, Tony Jones, 105 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:12.000 Craig Bowler, Jack Gordon Motts and Ted Robinson, me Spence check, 106 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:14.639 ats all, all of you the great listeners, Happy Thursday. 107 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.519 You have almost made it. And that guy Porter Larson 108 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:21.360 with his votech outfit on today you got the votech 109 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:26.199 hat and sweatshirt no color color coordinating, but oh so. 110 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:27.160 Just a vo tech hat. 111 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:28.040 Yeah. 112 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:30.079 Excited for the CFP semi. 113 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:33.279 Final for I am I am obviously college football play 114 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:35.360 off top of mine, but a lot of good football 115 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.160 still still to come in the next five days, as 116 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:38.959 you mentioned. 117 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:39.800 Excited for no doubt. 118 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:41.879 So if you're a football fan, you've got five days 119 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:44.879 of Nirvanda with the CFP semi Final tonight and tomorrow 120 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:49.920 and then Wildcard weekend Saturday, Sunday and Monday in Pro football. 121 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:51.839 So Tony Jones will be our first guest right out 122 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:55.680 of the gates. 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Now into the studio of ESPN 134 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.639 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 135 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:32.680 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 136 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:36.040 Standard Restaurant Supply, your one stop shop to build the 137 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:40.759 best tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant Supply, thirty five hundred 138 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:42.199 Southwest Temple. 139 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.839 Programming Reminder, we are your home of the biggest and 140 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.800 best college football and NFL events in the market. We 141 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:54.199 will have the Orange Bowl on our station Tonight's following 142 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:56.399 the conclusion of the Craig Smith Coaches Show. So we'll 143 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:58.959 sake it out about six o'clock tonight and then we'll 144 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:01.680 send it over to Bill and Craig at Slackwater in 145 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:05.360 Salt Lake City for the Utah Men's Basketball Coaches Show. 146 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.439 And then after that we'll get you over to the 147 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.759 remaining portion of the Notre Dame Penn State game in 148 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:17.199 the Orange Bowl to historic college football brands. Two historic 149 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:20.439 college football brands that have not won a national championship 150 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:23.040 in quite some time. Notre Dame has not won a 151 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.199 national championship since nineteen eighty eight, but they are looking 152 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:29.600 for their ninth Natty in the ap ERA, which is 153 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:33.399 second only to Alabama now. Penn State, on the other hand, 154 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:36.560 has not won a national championship since nineteen eighty six. 155 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:41.160 So two coaches that I think are very, very likable. 156 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:43.040 It's been funny to kind of watch the back and forth. 157 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:47.000 James Franklin some comments about how he believes every program 158 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:50.199 in college football should be in a conference now because 159 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:52.319 of what we do in the modern day and age 160 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:55.199 of media consumption, we react to a thirty second SoundBite. 161 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.319 He went on to talk about scheduling uniformity in college football, 162 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.279 which is something I've talked about for a number of years. 163 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:04.199 I think it's beyond time that every team has to 164 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:07.160 play the same amount of conference games, and you know, 165 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:10.600 ultimately there has to be some sort of centralized scheduling 166 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:13.839 uniformity that makes it just a little bit more Even 167 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.279 we were talking about this over the course of this week. 168 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:17.879 I think it was Scott Mitchell who brought it up, 169 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.199 where ultimately, you know, if you're Utah, if your BYU, 170 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:25.439 you're really, you know, kind of at the mercy of 171 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:28.240 the schedule makers as it pertains to the teams you'll 172 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:32.720 play in conference. The cruel irony for the past season 173 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:36.639 of Utah football is that Utah football actually had a 174 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:40.159 very manageable and I put manageable in air quotes because 175 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.480 nobody knew anything about the Big Twelve. But when the 176 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:48.159 Utah schedule came out, it was a very manageable Big 177 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:50.159 Twelve schedule and that was just luck of the draw. 178 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:53.879 BUYU actually had a much harder schedule, and that's just 179 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.919 unfortunately the reality of it, where you know, on the 180 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:59.840 NFL side of things, obviously, you know you have schedule 181 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.720 akers that are in a little bit more lockstep with 182 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:05.799 what exactly a fair schedule is going to be now 183 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:08.679 year and in year out. Divisions have been flow so if 184 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:10.399 you're in a bad division, you're gonna get a little 185 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.159 bit more lucky. But all of the conversation today about 186 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:15.120 like James Franklin and what he had to say about 187 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.039 the whole thing, I think ignored actually the forest through 188 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:21.919 the trees, but have two really good defensive teams. Interestingly enough, 189 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.759 for all the conversation about the offensive explosion in college 190 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:27.559 football over the past few years, the four teams left 191 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:30.519 are four of the top seven defensive teams in all 192 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.840 of college football. Notre Dame is the best team in 193 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:36.879 college football at takeaways. They have thirty one takeaways. That's 194 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.960 best in college football. They're the best team in college 195 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:42.639 football as far as points per game. They have won 196 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:46.320 the turnover margin in every game except one. And you 197 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.759 know exactly what game that was. That was Week two 198 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:53.279 against Northern Illinois, which is wild to think about that 199 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:56.200 that game actually went down as Notre Dame has run 200 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.960 off twelve straight games with a win last game take 201 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.759 care of Georgia. They have now won thirteen games for 202 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:06.080 the first time in Notre Dame history. When you could 203 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:08.960 say something has happened for the first time in Notre 204 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:12.440 Dame history, it means it's pretty exciting. But it feels 205 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:15.279 like this is Notre Dame's game to me, Jeremiah Love 206 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.240 is healthy, they're leading rusher, and apparently he's not even 207 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.840 wearing a brace. Marcus Freeman was asked today about there 208 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.440 was this online rumor that the flu bug kind of 209 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:28.360 went through the Notre Dame locker room. Marcus Freeman said 210 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:30.320 that wasn't true. I guess they had a wide receiver. 211 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:33.879 Bo Collins was sick last week, but he actually kind 212 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:36.799 of touched down against Georgia, and Jeremiah Love was also 213 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:39.240 a little sick. But that, according to Marcus Freeman, that 214 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:42.639 rumor that's going around is not true at all. And 215 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.320 you know, ultimately both these two teams do this, do 216 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:48.759 very similar things when it comes to the defensive side, 217 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:50.720 and the Notre Dame's numbers are a little bit better. 218 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.440 Penn State's one of the top seven defensive teams in 219 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.559 college football. Both points per game, then against the run, 220 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:58.720 and both these teams want to run the football. So 221 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:01.000 I don't know that we're gonna see a very high 222 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:02.919 scoring game. I think we'll see a close game again. 223 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:06.039 The Vegas line has moved to even, but two historic 224 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:10.919 programs looking for their first national championship since the nineteen eighties. 225 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:14.519 We got Craig Bowler Jack Gordon Monson, both live in 226 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.039 studio coming up. Called that about a half hour from 227 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:20.480 right now. Uncle Ted Robinson, our buddy from the PAC 228 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:22.600 twelve network back in the day. Notre Dame of lum 229 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:25.399 Will stop by the preview Tonight's ce FP semi final? 230 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:26.000 Was that? 231 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:28.000 Was that the Fresh Prince. 232 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:30.480 Of bel Air? Very nice? 233 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:32.480 Any reason we decided to play that today? 234 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:33.440 You sent it to me? 235 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.840 Oh, Tony's on the phone, right, it's the Tony Jones 236 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:37.879 interview time, right? 237 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:38.879 That is? That is true? 238 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:41.840 On a Thursday, TJ. It's between us, pal. 239 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:42.440 How you doing? 240 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:46.320 I just don't understand you guys. 241 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:49.519 Sometimes you know what you know that your secrets are 242 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:51.440 safe with me. I just figured you'd like that bump 243 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:52.360 on a Thursday, right? 244 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.240 That is? That is really funny. How are you? 245 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:00.240 I'm good man to you. To you as well? We 246 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:02.480 haven't spoken to you in the new year. What where 247 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:04.919 do we find you these days? It feels like you're 248 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:06.440 always traveling to and from. 249 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:08.720 I am currently in Denver. 250 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.200 Currently in Denver, Okay, Well, Denver's a lovely city. Are 251 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:14.519 you enjoying your time in Denver? 252 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:17.720 I am bedridden with the flu. 253 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:21.639 Oh my goodness, no, like literally. 254 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:24.960 I went out to Denver and I left for Denver 255 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:30.039 on Monday because the Nuggets had the Celtics on Tuesday. 256 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:34.240 So huge game, and then the Clippers on Wednesday, so 257 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:38.159 even you know, a big, big game. So I was like, okay, 258 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:39.840 so we're gonna go and we're gonna spend a week 259 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.759 in Denver. God playing got to the hotel media like 260 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.960 just almost immediately got sick. Now. The other thing is 261 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:51.279 Nicola Yokis did not play on Tuesday or Wednesday because 262 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:52.879 I think he caught the same thing that I have. 263 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.240 So you and you and the Joker with the flu 264 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:57.360 in Denver this week. 265 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:01.320 Huh, me and the Joker have the flu. This is factual. 266 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:04.159 Okay, my goodness, my goodness. Well, I hope you feel 267 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:07.799 better soon, because that's not fun. Obviously, this time of year, 268 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:10.399 a bunch of stuff going around. And let's just start 269 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:12.960 with the little jazz, Tony, even though you've been busy 270 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.080 covering a bunch of other teams for the Athletic, because 271 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.279 the Jazz this year unseerious about winning. 272 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.080 But my story on Monday, what do you mean? 273 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:23.679 Did you write a story about the jazz? 274 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.960 I wrote a story about the jazz random and Monday's Athletic. 275 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:29.919 Well, then I'm glad I'm asking you about the jazz. 276 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.679 That means you're uniquely qualified to time. I just I 277 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.840 know that you're traveling around covering other teams. Obviously, we 278 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:38.360 know that you have one eye on the Jazz at 279 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.639 all times. I know you watch other games. But here's 280 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.039 what I wanted to ask you. Even though the wins 281 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.039 haven't necessarily been coming, it does I mean they they 282 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.279 went down to Florida, won a couple of games, but 283 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:51.240 even in losing efforts, it just feels like there are 284 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:54.559 signs that are pretty pretty good, that are kind of 285 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:57.919 revealing themselves that were not around earlier in the year 286 00:13:57.960 --> 00:13:59.720 when they were just getting trucks. So what do you 287 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:02.120 see from them that I would just ask you, like, 288 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:03.720 is a little bit encouraging right now? 289 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.200 I think whenever the Jazz decided that they want to 290 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.279 be competitive again, I think they're going to be competitive 291 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:09.919 pretty easily. 292 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:13.080 You know. 293 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:17.240 The one thing that I wrote in the story on 294 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:23.360 Monday was stack, you know, despite you know, everything that 295 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.799 that's going on in terms of you know, guys missing games, 296 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:29.360 you know, you don't kind of you kind of don't 297 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:32.159 know who's gonna play and who's not gonna play on 298 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:34.480 a ninth and night basis. I mean, this is a 299 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:38.600 competitive and entertaining team, and it's a competitive, uh and 300 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:42.039 entertaining product. And I think if you're a Jazz fan, 301 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:46.399 you just have you have to be encouraged by the 302 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:49.559 progress that's being made. You know, Bright sense the ball. 303 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:52.559 We didn't know coming into the season whether he's an 304 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.120 NBA player. Now he kind of has a look of 305 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:58.799 a guy who can be your sixth man. You know, 306 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:03.039 Isaiah call Your and Kyle Philopowski are getting you know, meaningful, 307 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:09.720 meaningful reps. So you know, this could easily be you know, 308 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:12.799 like a ship with no rudder in terms of you know, 309 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.639 this could look like the Washington Wizards, it could look 310 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.120 like the Charlotte Hornets, or it can look like you 311 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:22.360 know what the New Orleans Pelicans has have regretted into 312 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:27.919 this season. But you know, the Jazz have found themselves 313 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:31.039 in a position where they're, you know, they're kind of 314 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.000 I don't want to say it like this, but they 315 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.080 kind of have to try hard to lose these games. 316 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:37.600 And you know, I think that that's a good thing 317 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:40.360 because I think that it means that you know, the 318 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:44.399 players are buying into everything that Will Hardy's doing. Will 319 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:49.399 Hardy's you know, keeping the group engaged Uh, these guys 320 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:51.200 are going out and they're playing hard from night to 321 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:54.759 night and and and they've been competitive because of it. 322 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:58.039 Let me follow up with how you kind of led 323 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:00.320 your answer when you said, when the Jazz want to 324 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:02.480 get back to being competitive, they'll be able to do 325 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:03.600 that pretty quickly. 326 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:05.519 What do you think that looks like? 327 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:07.960 You know, when when they when they lean into really 328 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:10.879 competing night in and night out. Do you think that's 329 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.600 something that's a year down the road? Two years down 330 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:16.080 the road. I mean, there are so many promising prospects, 331 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:18.440 not just this year but next and we're gonna have 332 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.120 one of them in our backyard with the AJ debantsa 333 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:24.080 kid heading down a provo. So when when do you think, 334 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:27.559 in your estimation, the Jazz will lean into actually being 335 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:28.320 competitive again? 336 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:29.120 What does that look like? 337 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:34.440 In my opinion, I think the Jazz should, you know, 338 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:36.600 lose sixty games this year, and I think they should 339 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:39.799 try to lose sixty games next year because the top 340 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.879 of this draft and the top of the twenty twenty 341 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:46.919 six draft, are you know, the top of the twenty 342 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:51.320 sixth draft, the first three kids in that draft. We 343 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:56.960 all know AJ DEBANSA, but we all know Cameron Boozer, 344 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:01.519 But there's also a kid named Darren Person He's committed 345 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:07.680 to Kansas, and that kid is special. There are three 346 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.240 franchise players at the top of the twenty six draft, 347 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:14.640 and obviously there's Cooper Flag and there's still a Harper 348 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.720 at the top of the twenty five drafts. So in 349 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:22.440 these two drafts, in my opinion, there are five guys 350 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.680 who I think are franchise were franchise level guys or 351 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:32.799 potential franchise level guys. So if you're the Jazz, you know, 352 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.079 you got to try to come away with at least 353 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:39.160 one of them. If not try to come away with 354 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.799 two of them, that means losing a lot How that 355 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.079 looks for them, I don't know, because I don't know 356 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:50.440 that they can lose on the level that's needed, you know, 357 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.160 for that to happen. I mean, even with all the 358 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.799 losing they've done this season, there's still right now they 359 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.160 still only have the fifth best lottery odds that the 360 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:02.839 season season where to end the day because there are 361 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.079 teams that they're just not going to be worse than. 362 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:09.440 But you know, at the same time, you know, if 363 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:11.160 you're the Jazz, you definitely want to be at the 364 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:13.519 top of this draft, and you want to be at 365 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.759 the top of next year's draft, and then you know, 366 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:20.920 if they if that comes to fruition, then you know, 367 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.400 after that, you know you can try to go and 368 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:24.599 do all the winning that you want. 369 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:28.000 Let's have some fun, and let's operate off of fun. 370 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:31.880 Hypothetical that this plan works out to perfection and this 371 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:35.680 year and next year they're able to capture, you know, 372 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.480 two of the prospects that you perceive to be the 373 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:41.319 elite prospects. I mean, we can get totally crazy and 374 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:44.119 say they get Cooper flagged and aj de bantsa. If 375 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:47.200 we want to have a little fun, if that's the process, 376 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:50.640 if that's the path three years from now when they 377 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:54.799 lean back into being competitive, who's left from this group 378 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:57.279 on that team. 379 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:00.160 So we're saying, have Cooper flag and ad devans h 380 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:00.640 let's get weird. 381 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:03.079 Let's get weird on a Thursday. Johnny, you got the flu. 382 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:04.319 You know, we're just we're hanging out. 383 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:06.000 We're getting weird. Lets you get weird. 384 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:10.680 Right, So that would mean that your starting lineup will 385 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:18.079 be Keynty George or likely would be Keanty George uh 386 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:22.079 uh aged Devanca, which started at shooting guard, because Mike 387 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:25.839 he's literally I told you he's literally Tracy McGrady another 388 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:31.599 coming to Tracy McGrady. And then you're forward, you'd have 389 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.319 you'd have what I what I would call the all 390 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:39.519 clear front court. You would have lowry marketing, Cooper Flag 391 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:41.000 and Walker Kessler. 392 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:42.799 Did you say the all clear. 393 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:45.839 The all clear front court? 394 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:47.960 Tell you what you're getting Jazz fans excited with that 395 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:48.480 front court. 396 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:49.480 And I'm not gonna lie. 397 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:52.279 That would immediately be one of the better front courts 398 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:55.319 in the league. Because if you look at what Walker 399 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:58.519 Walker Kessler is doing this year, Walker Kessler has been 400 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:04.200 argued Utah's best player this season. You know, lowry marketing 401 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:08.359 is still lowry marketing in you know, and I think 402 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:12.480 Cooper Flag is is amazing. I think he's an amazing talent. So, 403 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:15.640 you know, if if the Jazz would to luck up 404 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.200 and get you know, the number one pick in two 405 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:23.799 consecutive drafts, which just doesn't happen, you know, I mean, 406 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:28.559 they would simply put they they'd be in a position 407 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:33.279 to uh to compete at the highest levels potentially in time. 408 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.000 So and that's the thing that you know, I see 409 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:41.400 with this team. They're whoever they draft, you know, they're 410 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:44.920 are building blocks already in place, Like Walker Kessler is 411 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:49.200 already already in place. Lowry Marketing is already in place. 412 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:53.000 So you have two guys that I think that you know, 413 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.839 kind of no matter what happens around the roster, these 414 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:59.759 guys are gonna be there. They're gonna be and they're 415 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:03.119 gonna the building blocks. I would have put Taylor Hendrickson 416 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:08.319 in in that category as a role player, except that, 417 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.119 you know, uh, he obviously had you know, his his 418 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:15.200 tragic injury and and we have to to see how 419 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:17.920 he comes back from that injury. But you know, I 420 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.279 think that, you know, the rest of the season is 421 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:24.319 about figuring out, you know, who's going to be around 422 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:27.079 in the long run. And you know, right now, I 423 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:30.680 can I can pect Lowry Marketing. I conpect Walker Kesslers 424 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.480 the two guys right now that I'm most confident I'll 425 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:34.519 be around in the long run. 426 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:38.400 What about like, you know, what about Kyle Kyle Philipowski, 427 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:41.039 What has he shown you through the first he's played 428 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:43.359 twenty five games as a rookie. What has Kyle showing 429 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:44.839 you well? 430 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:48.000 I mean, you know, he's I saw a little bit 431 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:50.559 in Summer League. I just, you know, was a little 432 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.559 bit naive and thinking that it would translate to the 433 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:57.759 NBA so soon. But you know, he's a mismatch, especially 434 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:01.480 when he plays at the center spot. Uh he's you know, 435 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:06.519 he's really good uh facing the basket. Uh he's He's 436 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:10.160 better than I thought from three levels because of his 437 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:12.640 ability to put the ball on the floor and play 438 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:17.440 with force. And he has a nasty streak that I 439 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:18.440 didn't think. 440 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:19.160 Uh. 441 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:22.160 You know, I watched him plenty at Duke, but you know, 442 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:24.759 I didn't really think that he had a nasty streak 443 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:27.480 the way the way he does. Earlier in the season. 444 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.400 You know, the Jazz were playing at San Antonio and 445 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:36.519 uh and and Flip found himself uh facing the basket, 446 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:39.759 you know, about twenty feet in the basket, Uh, isolated 447 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:43.400 on on Victor Win Bayama, And you know, I'm like, yeah, 448 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:45.559 no way. He takes Wemby, and he takes Wenby to 449 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:48.240 the basket and he draws a file. You know, that's 450 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.279 the kind of fearlessness, uh, in the force that that 451 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:53.720 he plays with. So, you know, I don't know what 452 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:57.160 happened in the in the G League. You know, he 453 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:00.519 obviously didn't play as well there, but you know when 454 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:03.680 he gets into NBA spacing and he's playing with this group, 455 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:04.720 he's playing well. 456 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:09.799 Can I follow up about Kyante? You know, because we're 457 00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:12.559 following kind of the ebbs and flows and in this 458 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.400 fun and hypothetical where the next two years the jazz 459 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:19.000 won't win very much but be rewarded for those endeavors 460 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:22.799 by some generational talents. Is are you still confident that 461 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:25.240 at some point some of the issues we've seen from 462 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:27.559 Kiante over the first year and a half will settle in. 463 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:29.720 I mean, there's there's a lot to like. I've never 464 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:32.279 said there's not, but at some point we just need 465 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:34.960 to see a little bit more consistency with the shot selection, 466 00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:37.920 the decision making, and quite frankly, shot making. Do you 467 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:41.000 remain confident that he can figure this thing out? 468 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:45.119 Hang off for one second? 469 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:49.480 All right? Tony Jones is with us live and. 470 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:51.319 Right now. 471 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.960 Oh okay, hang on, okay, as long as somebody's not 472 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:55.200 breaking into your hotel room. 473 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:55.759 Well you're sick. 474 00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:59.680 Tony is in Denver, suffering from the flu, covering some 475 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:02.000 nug It's games this week. He did write a piece 476 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.240 on the jazz for the Athletic that dropped on Monday. 477 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.640 The Jazz are in action tonight against the Miami Heat, 478 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:10.119 who have a lot of questions to answer themselves with 479 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:13.039 some chaos in their locker room. And then last night 480 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.400 we saw Okay see Cleveland, So we'll get Tony's take 481 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:17.160 on that as soon as he's back. 482 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:20.200 You good, buddy, I think I am. 483 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:23.440 Yeah. So you know we were talking about Kayoste. 484 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:24.480 Correct, yep, correct? 485 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:33.680 You know I think you know with Kians his best 486 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:38.240 attribute is, you know, kind of like Hoyle Philipowski. It's 487 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:39.319 it's a fearlessness. 488 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:42.200 Hang on for a second, grab some water this time 489 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:44.839 while your coffee and grab some water. Well, we can 490 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:46.920 fill a little time because we have plenty of dease 491 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:49.960 on the show. We've got Craig Bowler, Jack Gordon mottson 492 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.799 live in studio. We have Ted Robinson who's going to 493 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.759 join us to a preview tonight's CFP semi final between 494 00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:59.440 Notre Dame and Penn State. 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You can? 527 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:19.640 Okay? 528 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.519 So you know, I think I think the thing with 529 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:24.839 Keyante is you know that that I love is the 530 00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:30.720 fearlessness and the ability to score. And he's got to 531 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:38.039 figure out a way to transition from a streaky score 532 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:43.680 to a consistent score. And I think that that's, you know, 533 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:47.039 going to hold the key to what he becomes as 534 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:50.400 an NBA player, whether he's a starter or whether he 535 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.519 you know, eventually transitions to a six man. I still 536 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:58.799 think that he can be a starter. I think that, 537 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:04.079 you know, his offense instincts are are really good. I 538 00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:06.240 think that he's got a lot of tricks in his back. 539 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.119 And you know, I think that that, you know, if 540 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:13.440 you put the right team around him, which you know, 541 00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:18.319 I think means you know, putting a playmaking forward around him, 542 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:20.720 you know, he can be a really good starter in 543 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:21.319 this league. 544 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:24.759 All right, Well, I'm glad you're still confident because I 545 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.599 just haven't seen enough just yet. But you know the 546 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.039 other thing that's hard, Tony is analyzing a player when 547 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.920 they're not surrounded by like elite players every night. Right, 548 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:35.279 what do you what do you think Keyante could be 549 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.799 when you know this thing is fully baked, so every 550 00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.079 night he's not playing with young players that are still 551 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:43.079 learning how to play, and he actually has some good 552 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:46.079 veteran players that know exactly what Will is asking for 553 00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:49.400 them to do, and he's just surrounded by simply better talent. 554 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.440 What do you think that looks like for Kiante? 555 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:55.279 You know, I think that you know, some of that 556 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:59.400 that depends on Kiante and you know how he develops 557 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.039 as a player, how he developed from the defensive end, 558 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.359 because I think that that's a real weak spot for 559 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:09.880 him right now. And you know how he develops, you 560 00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:13.240 know kind of mentally, you know, does he you know, 561 00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.440 going to every game seeing himself as you know, a 562 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:20.079 twenty five point per game score if he isn't one, 563 00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:24.000 or you know, does he you know, going to every 564 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.960 game figuring out you know, what the team needs, what 565 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.160 the game needs, and playing to what the game needs, 566 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.079 and you know that's a that's a that's a big 567 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:38.160 question for him. You know the thing that you know, 568 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.880 the things that I hold on to from a positive perspective. 569 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.559 You know, games like Chicago where you know he was 570 00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:48.799 you know, terrific not only scoring, but you know, getting 571 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.759 others involved. Uh, And you know you'll see that one 572 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.319 out of every you know, eight or nine games where 573 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.400 he just seems to get it, and then you'll see 574 00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:00.400 one out of every nine games where it kind of 575 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.680 goes the other way. So where does the pendulum swing 576 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:08.480 for for Kiance. Does it swing towards you know, him 577 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.119 getting it or does it swing the other way? And 578 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.079 I think that those are questions that the Jazz are 579 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.680 going to have to ask and answer for themselves at 580 00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:19.559 the end of the year when they do when when 581 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.920 when they evaluate Kiante. And the second thing with Kiante 582 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:28.240 is you know, I think this part is out of 583 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.559 his hands. Like what if the Jazz gets the number 584 00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:36.839 two picks and you know that means Dylan Harper comes 585 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.400 to Utah. You know, Dylan Harper is a point guard 586 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:42.519 and Dylan Harper is a better player than Kiante, you know, 587 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.559 so you know that part is out of his hands. 588 00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:48.839 And you know, if the Jazz get you know, get 589 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:53.720 Dylan Harper or you know, even somebody like has from Illinois, 590 00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:59.400 you know real, you know, live, really dynamic point guards, 591 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:04.039 then you know that's going to put in question to 592 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:08.039 where Kiante is as a jazz anyway. But for kiant 593 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.559 he has to control what he can control, and you know, 594 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:14.160 he's got to figure out eternal he's got to figure 595 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:14.839 out the defense. 596 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.480 All right before I said, you lose one young player 597 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.319 that we just haven't talked a ton about, at least 598 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.079 this year or over the course of the first couple 599 00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.559 of years, is Bryce Bryce Sensiba, who just could not 600 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:31.279 miss on the road trip, and that was his you know, 601 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:34.000 that's his superpower at Ohio State. He just simply was 602 00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.319 a pure bucket getter. And that's why the Jazz decided 603 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:39.160 to get back in when he was available, to take 604 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:42.000 him where they did. And the question was always, you know, 605 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.880 can he get his shot off? Is he quick enough 606 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.279 to find some airspace? Is he simply just a spot 607 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.640 up shooter. I've always kind of felt there's a little 608 00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.640 Dennis Scott to his games, I've told you, But when 609 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:55.519 you see him make shots the way that he was 610 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.759 making shots when he was on that heater, when the 611 00:30:57.839 --> 00:30:59.599 Jazz won a couple of games. It gives you some 612 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.559 potential faith and maybe he's a rotational piece. Where are 613 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:05.359 you at right now with the development of right Censiba. 614 00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.480 He you know, obviously the shot, you know, the shooting 615 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.799 is real, and you know the jazz is long. You know, 616 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:20.279 really thought that he was an elite shooter, you know, 617 00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:23.960 but he's gotten his body to the point to where 618 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.279 he can get stuff off the dribble at the NBA 619 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.400 level now and he couldn't do that last year. You know, 620 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.519 he was a little bit too much overweight, but he 621 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:38.480 lost some he lost some pounds. Uh, he's in. You know, 622 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.079 he's gotten his body to the point where, uh he 623 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.200 can get to his spots. And when he gets to 624 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.839 his spots, you know he's gonna make shots. And you 625 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.039 know he's he's taken a lot of hard coaching from 626 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.680 from from Will, from Will Hardy and you know, I 627 00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.160 don't think you know, he's had to earn a lot 628 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.799 with Will and you know, he's had to earn some 629 00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:07.000 trust and I think that's he's done that in you know, 630 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:11.880 the Heat game, in the Magic game, you know, those 631 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.599 were real glimpses into to what he can be. He 632 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.559 had thirty four and then he had twenty seven. But 633 00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:19.359 it was the way he got him, you know, he 634 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.640 just he had the entire offensive arsenal. I mean, he 635 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:26.079 was obviously shooting well from beyond the art, but you know, 636 00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:28.279 he got to mid range. He was hitting floaters, he 637 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.160 got all the way to the basket. You know, he 638 00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.000 was posting up in the mid posts a little bit, 639 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:36.240 he was playing off the pick and roll. I mean, 640 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.119 he just did it in a lot of different ways. 641 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:41.039 He got filed, went to the free throw line, you know. 642 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:46.039 So you have to be encouraged by what you're saying 643 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.480 out of bright sense of ball and you know the 644 00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:51.200 fact that the Jazz got him so deep into the draft. 645 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.000 That's turning out to be a skill at this point. 646 00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:58.000 All right, my guy, well, hydrate. Do you have some 647 00:32:58.319 --> 00:32:59.720 Gatorade electrolytes? 648 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:00.759 You know you have? 649 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.279 Do you have the proper hydration elements you need to 650 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:06.279 get back on your feet. 651 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:11.920 I'm trying to man, I apologize to anybody who almost 652 00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.480 heard me pass away this on this radio interview. 653 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.359 Well, I'm just glad you're okay. Stay safe, You know, 654 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:18.720 travel safe and hit us up. 655 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:22.160 You can need all right, no problem, thank you. 656 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.480 All right, Tony Jones. You know, one of the things 657 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:28.079 I love about this job, among several it's a wonderful 658 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.000 way to make a living, make your way through the world, 659 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:33.279 is you never know when coming into work whether or 660 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:35.519 not you will have a first and oftentimes you do. 661 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.400 I think that was the first time in eighteen years 662 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.440 of doing this full time now that I had to 663 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:42.680 pause and do a read while my guest was coughing 664 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:44.799 up along to make sure that he's good and safe. 665 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:48.079 Yeah, that was a that was a new one we've got. 666 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:51.759 I mean, we've had similar instances. I remember doing Bill 667 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.319 Show once and this is a first and probably a last. 668 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.799 We did Collins on the midday show, Oh yes you did, 669 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:03.359 and a caller who wanted to speak on Utah football 670 00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.480 was on hold, and while he was on hold, apparently 671 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.679 got into it with police officers, Like we went to 672 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:15.280 him and we heard am I being detained like he 673 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.119 was fighting with cops on the side of the road, 674 00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:18.840 And we just kept it live for a second and 675 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:20.679 Bill was entertained. 676 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.639 Did it have anything to do with the fact that 677 00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:25.760 he was on his cell phone trying to talk into 678 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:27.159 a radio show. 679 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:29.480 Could be could be if you're driving down the freeway, 680 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:33.440 maybe wait until you pull over, get the the serri 681 00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:34.800 on the line to call us. 682 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.239 Don't be textan and driving. 683 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:38.039 Should we start taking phone calls on the show? 684 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.840 The answer is now, let's do it. It will never happen 685 00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:42.559 every segment. 686 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.760 It was just a fundamental difference that we had when 687 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.360 we did the show together. But hey, what is for 688 00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.480 some is not for others. Okay, one hour down, three 689 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:55.039 hours to go. I just saw Gordon's Porsche pull up. 690 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:58.400 I believe Lisa was driving the Cayenne, so she's dropping 691 00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:01.320 Gordon off right now. He will shuffle his way up 692 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.519 the stairs and join us live in studio. Craig Bollerjack 693 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:06.199 on a game day as well. Now we're going to 694 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.880 move over to Ted Robinson comprehensive preview of a big 695 00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:10.679 Game time Man Notre Dame, Penn State. 696 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.880 For fifteen years, the Big Show dominated the Utah sports 697 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.559 talk airwaves. First it was Craig Bowler, Jack and Gordon Monson, 698 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:25.840 followed by Spence check its in Monson. Now all three 699 00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:30.039 are reunited on the drive. It's time for the Big 700 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:34.480 Show Hour on the drive at Spence check its exclusively 701 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:36.519 on ESPN seven hundred. 702 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:43.599 It is time for the big Show, Big Hour, and 703 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:47.440 as a result of some logistics, it's been difficult to 704 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:51.719 get all three of us in studio, but we have 705 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:56.199 accomplished it today on this Thursday afternoon, so we have 706 00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:00.400 Craig Bowler, Jack Sporting. I love the look whenever it's 707 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:03.039 game day, and let's make sure there mics are on 708 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.519 whenever it's game day. It just looks like you did 709 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.159 a set as a crooner down at Graycie, singing a 710 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.480 little Sinatra and just walking right across the street. 711 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:13.360 I just loosened the tie. It was a tough three 712 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.440 hour little gig, but I'm good. It was that lunch crowd. 713 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:17.199 It's tough out there. 714 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:21.159 I love the look man, and just smashing beers. It's 715 00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.960 unreal on a Thursday, Gordon, it looks like that looks 716 00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.320 like a Budweiser in your in your cup, and I know, 717 00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.639 I know that you're not necessarily one that in vibes. 718 00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:32.119 What are you drinking in the early afternoon stages of 719 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:32.840 a Thursday. 720 00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:36.599 It is apple beer, So it's not real beer. No, well, 721 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.119 I mean it's apple beer, but it doesn't. I don't 722 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:40.480 think it has alcohol in it? 723 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:44.840 Are you sure? We'll find out its loose sence? All 724 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:46.760 I know is back in the day. I know he 725 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.599 won't love you sharing this, but for about a week 726 00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.920 if pat Dad was like, man, I really love kombucha. 727 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.519 It makes me feel grand, like you know, there's a 728 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:54.719 little bit of hitting there right. 729 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.800 Yeah, just so you know, bops, that's why you're feeling good. 730 00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:01.000 So apple beer, is this a new knew bobby of you? 731 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:03.280 Actually, it's a trip back in time for me because 732 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:06.159 when I was a kid on the East Coast, apple 733 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.199 beer was a little more of a thing. Sure, you know, 734 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.480 uh and uh, But I haven't really had much of 735 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:12.280 it since then. 736 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.039 So I thought, what the heck? I went grocery shop 737 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:15.199 in this. 738 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:18.239 I don't believe that for a second or video of this, Yeah, 739 00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:19.280 I don't believe that for a second. 740 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:20.880 Where'd you go? Because we're calling right now. 741 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.000 I went to the grocery stores down the street from me. 742 00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.119 I was supposed to pick something up. Yeah, And I 743 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.639 picked up a cart and went up and down the aisles. Man, 744 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.000 And you know what, it's just so amazing what's in 745 00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:36.360 these grocery stores. You take it for granted, right, But 746 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.239 I mean I'm not there very often. And so I 747 00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.199 started looking around, and I was going, how come Lisa 748 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:43.079 never gets that? 749 00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.039 And so I started just cherry picking stuff off the aisle. 750 00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:46.639 You would wait? 751 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:48.760 Did you leave you to your own devices at the store? 752 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:50.360 Yeah, she wasn't there. 753 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:51.079 It was just me. 754 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.039 But he's talking like he wants the Nobel Peace pros 755 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:55.679 and he went grocery shops? 756 00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:58.480 You really? Did you hit all the aisles, all twenty 757 00:37:58.480 --> 00:37:58.800 four of it. 758 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.440 I didn't go up down everyone on them, but I 759 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:00.800 went up. 760 00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:04.960 I think I skipped the uh the kitchen cleaning uh 761 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:06.519 applying stunning. 762 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:08.199 But I went up down most of them. 763 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:11.159 Wow, did you do this as a push cart or 764 00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.760 a hand just a push cart? What you got in 765 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:18.960 the little scooter? I would pay to see that. 766 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:21.119 Can't you see Gordon just rolling around the store in 767 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:23.400 a little the way the way? 768 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.920 Hold on here? When you guys go to the grocery store, Yeah, 769 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:27.920 what do you buy. 770 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:29.920 The necessities that I need to live? 771 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:30.480 Like? 772 00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:31.000 What though? 773 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:34.639 I mean, do you spoil yourself with a little treat 774 00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.760 here and and something that's less than healthy over there? 775 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.000 Yeah? You know what? Usually it's a list that I 776 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.880 mean given from sharing. I'm saying break free. 777 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.239 But sometimes you know, I'll go on my own just 778 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:49.880 because like I need id prof bad, you know, Okay, 779 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:53.239 something like that. After these long road trips, I'm out, 780 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.639 I got where I need some help. Yeah, exactly. That's 781 00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:58.480 a headache right there. 782 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:00.199 So what do you buy? 783 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.639 It's it's whatever, you know. Sometimes I'll see a special 784 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:06.280 on Cheetos and I haven't had a had the tough 785 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.880 of cheetos in a while. Okay, you know, two bags 786 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:13.000 five forty nine with the card, you know, with my card? Yeah, yeah, 787 00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.719 so i'll see what the heck I'm taking them. I'll 788 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:18.119 leave one in my office and then just throw one 789 00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:18.639 in the kitchen. 790 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:19.599 Yeah. 791 00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:22.199 You know what I got today that I've never bought before? 792 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:23.079 I can't wait time? 793 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:24.239 Yeah? Yeah? 794 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.760 Those those what do you call those little potato puff things? 795 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.119 Like in Napoleon Dynamite that he was putting. 796 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:35.039 Tater tots potato puff things. That's not even a hard 797 00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:40.239 thing to pull. Tater tots? What do you call your potatoes? 798 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.079 And little slits and you fry them? 799 00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:44.440 What do you call those? Do you understand that you 800 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.000 have to warm those up? Yeah? You just can't open 801 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.440 the bag and eat I know. Okay. Yeah. 802 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.000 In fact, we got one of those do dads that 803 00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:56.000 air fryer things. 804 00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.320 You can use the air fry to make some tater tots. Yeah, okay, 805 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.639 Well it looks like if you're smashing a budweiser right 806 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:02.719 in front of it. 807 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:03.280 You know. 808 00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.880 Do you think people would judge me? 809 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.679 I wouldn't, No, man, I can't speak for the community. 810 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.119 If it's five o'clock, i'd say right on, But it's 811 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:14.800 three three oh seven, so I thought maybe a little early. 812 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:18.800 But that's okay, it's five o'clock someplace, you know. The 813 00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.599 first thing I thought of was the great late Jerry Sloan, 814 00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:23.360 who liked to throw a few ice cubes in a 815 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:24.039 cold bud light. 816 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:25.000 Really. Yeah. 817 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:28.239 One of my jobs when I was the pr intern 818 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.320 for Dave all Read and Kim Turners, I had to 819 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.480 keep six beers back for hot Rod and two beers 820 00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:35.559 back for Jerry because in the media room back in 821 00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:36.320 the day they had beers. 822 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.079 They did not any longer. 823 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:40.000 I wouldn't judge you, but I think there's a portion 824 00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:42.599 of our community that's been enjoying your recent work with 825 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:43.920 the trip that might judge you. 826 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:44.320 A little bit. 827 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:47.599 If you're smashing beers, I think that I'm doing that. Well, look, 828 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.840 if that's your thing, then go forward. But I'm just saying, 829 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.679 when I walked in here, there's a police officer driving by, 830 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:55.519 and would that be ill? 831 00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:56.320 Yeah, you would be. 832 00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.360 That's called an open container And I could go down 833 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:00.440 all the laws you want to. 834 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:05.119 We can. We can dissecting one of them in Vegas. 835 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:05.800 You'd be fine. 836 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.960 Can you imagine getting an alert on your phone that 837 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:11.920 Monson has been detained for an open container in downtown 838 00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.800 So I would not believe that to be true. 839 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.360 For but if I had this Benson it was filled 840 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:19.719 up because it started up here. If it's filled up 841 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:21.400 there and it's got the phone, me head on it 842 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:22.440 and all that stuff. 843 00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:28.280 That's the found my head. Would would would the police officer? 844 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.719 Yes? I think I think a cop would inquire as 845 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.760 to what the beverage was in in your plastic cat there. 846 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:36.840 I don't know if they have like a little scary 847 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:38.400 strip they may have put in there to see if 848 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:40.639 it reacts to it well. 849 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.800 And also, since you're new to the game, red red 850 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.000 plastic cups, Yeah, the red sol bear. That's why everybody 851 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:47.960 has the red solo cups. 852 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:49.960 Okay, okay, because I had one to lose at home, 853 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:50.679 I could he use. 854 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:51.880 See this is a giveaway. 855 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.239 Well it's also apple beer. You're fine. 856 00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.159 Red plastic or you had to go if you know 857 00:41:59.199 --> 00:41:59.559 what I mean. 858 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:04.239 Oh yeah, okay, So look like that we caught off 859 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.760 guard Bowler. Welcome back to civilization friends here. 860 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:09.679 You shouldn't be wearing socks, Bowler. 861 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.519 Really, I was not complete it if he was. 862 00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:14.519 If I was in Miami like I was like five 863 00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.599 days ago, uh should just warn no socks. And we 864 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.079 did big T's idea. We just went the uh the 865 00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:22.840 Don Johnson Miami vice look no tie, which felt good 866 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:23.320 for change. 867 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:24.800 Actually to go down to the South Beach. 868 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.679 Yeah, we actually did. Yeah, not much. 869 00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.079 It rained the entire you know, a little little no no. 870 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:30.880 That was New York. I get mixed up where I 871 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:34.440 am sometimes. Miami was beautiful. Orlando was very nice as well. 872 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:36.960 But to Spencer and if we were talking earlier, I 873 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.280 mean that the schedule has been insane. Uh. And we 874 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:41.719 hit the road again for a quick trip to Phoenix 875 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.559 and then we come back and head to New Orleans 876 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.039 and by the middle of January, uh man, we've we've 877 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.599 we've we've put some miles on those airplanes. 878 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:51.159 Let me tell you that, right, this is the time 879 00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.159 of year. Because I did pre aff and post for 880 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.719 seven years, and even because I never traveled. We were 881 00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:58.800 at the at the arena and that was no. This 882 00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:00.280 is the time of year where you walk out of 883 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:02.920 and for me, it was like one thirty am, and 884 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.199 you're just like, dude, I need to I don't care 885 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.159 if you're a coach, a player, or a broadcaster. This is 886 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:08.880 the time of year where you lose track of the 887 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:10.239 days and like where you're at. 888 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.239 Here's the biggest thing that happens to me. What side 889 00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.000 of the bed do I get off and out of? Okay, 890 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:16.519 I mean it's weird. I wake up and I go 891 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:18.239 I am totally lost. I don't know if people who 892 00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:22.400 travel a lot feel the same. World's And the thing 893 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.239 I've been trying to do is make sure you know 894 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:26.320 as you get older, you say I can handle it. 895 00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.119 But one night I remember, on this last road trip, 896 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.960 I stayed in room nine seventeen. The next night I 897 00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:37.039 was in seven nineteen. You see, So okay, all of 898 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.719 a sudden, my mind flashes back to the ninth floor 899 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.480 or mind the seventh floor. Yeah, and you go crap, 900 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:44.920 So you go up to the sumventh floor and you 901 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.920 throw your cart across a little you know, if it 902 00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.800 doesn't beep or go click click, just start knocking loud. Yeah, 903 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:52.400 then I go back up to the ninth floor and 904 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:53.960 try it again. So that's what I did. 905 00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:55.079 Well, I'm glad you're back. 906 00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:57.199 It's good to be bad guys to see you know. 907 00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:58.880 This is where you know, this is where it all starts. 908 00:43:58.880 --> 00:43:59.360 This where it is. 909 00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.079 Yeah, I got I gotta. 910 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.039 Ask a quick question about this travel thing, Spence. You 911 00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.280 remember back when people were telling us that Carl had 912 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.800 in his contract that he had to have a couple 913 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.000 of baskets of fresh fruit in his hotel room. 914 00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:14.199 Yeah? Was that true? 915 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:15.760 I don't know it. 916 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.800 I wouldn't be surprised. I mean if you hear rock 917 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.400 stars only have green m and m's right in the 918 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.519 green room or whatever. I mean, everybody has this, you 919 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:26.880 know oddity that they like. 920 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.119 You have anything that you have? 921 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:29.559 Are you kidding me? 922 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:34.000 They would laugh me right through, Like Bullerjack wants, what yeah, right? 923 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.280 You ever you ever raide the bar? I try to 924 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:39.119 stay away from that. 925 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.800 Isn't it like two hundred bucks if you if you 926 00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:43.280 ate a bag of potato chips. 927 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.360 It's not two hundred dollars for a bag of potato chicks. 928 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:46.760 But it's not economic. 929 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.880 Depends on what city. If you're in San Antonio versus 930 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:54.360 New York, if you're in Sacramento versus Miami. It is 931 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.159 a night and day price difference night and day. 932 00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.639 So people wonder this spence you drive this bar. 933 00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:08.760 I think people wonder, Yeah, but we got an hour here, 934 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:09.000 were fine? 935 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:11.960 Okay? Uh? What what are the players? 936 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.599 Uh? What is their situation from city? This city? 937 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.519 Is it? I mean, is it posh? Is it just routine? 938 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:20.119 Is it? 939 00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:20.400 What? 940 00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:20.639 What? 941 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.039 What are their accommodations? 942 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.639 Well, it's nice according to the NBA Players Union, I 943 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.159 do believe hotels are in the five star category. 944 00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.079 That's part of the contract. 945 00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.599 Yes, per diem, Yes, well you know, food at their 946 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:39.719 disposal in the hotels. But I'll be honest with you, 947 00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:43.320 all the years I've traveled, I really think that it's 948 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.960 a routine that everyone has to decide on how to 949 00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:50.360 do it themselves and what works for you. I mean, 950 00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:52.880 Tea has told me in the older days, because they 951 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:54.800 used to play back to back to back and there 952 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:58.239 were some days in the Sloan era especially, but the 953 00:45:58.320 --> 00:45:59.480 back to backs are rough. 954 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:00.519 I mean there's naps. 955 00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:03.079 I mean, it sounds crazy for young men to say 956 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.320 it's nap time, but I think you have to catch 957 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.559 your best rest whenever you possibly can, and it depends 958 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:12.440 on your body. Some sleep on the flight someone, Some 959 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:17.320 stay busy with, whether it's movies or looking at at 960 00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:21.840 game film honestly, and others just I think just try 961 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:23.400 to just just chill. 962 00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:26.800 The players watch what they eat. Who is the player 963 00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:29.159 Spence who used to eat the cheeseburgers? I was Mel 964 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.920 Turpin dinner Bell Mel. Yeah, I thought there was another one. 965 00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:35.199 I'm forgetting his name right now, but. 966 00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.679 He he ate like a teenager. 967 00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.639 But you know, I don't think the NBA, any training 968 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.599 staff in the league now would allow that, at least 969 00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:46.719 in the sense of them presenting to that on the 970 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.559 flight or in a hotel gathering where they get together 971 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:53.199 for team meetings and then they have a meal. There's 972 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:54.960 no way unless they jump out on their own and 973 00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:55.840 go to Smashburger. 974 00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:58.400 I don't know. Maybe once in a while they do. 975 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:00.000 They got to treat themselves on a ca. 976 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:03.280 Let me ask you this because I love the Gordon 977 00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:06.039 asked if NBA players staying nice, it's like a Lakina 978 00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.440 with Jimmy Johns for lunch. Of course they stayed nice. 979 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:17.400 Yeah, the buffet how accommodated, made order pancakes. 980 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:19.760 Walker just nailed a thousand marry A points so he 981 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:21.000 can get some milk in the morning. 982 00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:21.760 Give me a break. 983 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:26.039 But I am curious. Gordon as Gordon, as only Gordon 984 00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:28.360 can do. Gordon does bring up an interesting topic. I 985 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:32.199 wonder how it's changed, because I think it was Wickerstram 986 00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:36.440 somebody about four years ago, five years ago, because I 987 00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:41.000 can remember doing postgame my final year, doing postgame with Britain, 988 00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.360 and we would notice it was a Warriors game and 989 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.400 there were about six or seven young ladies in the 990 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.280 arena just sitting there and we're kind of like, what's 991 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.559 going on here? Like how'd they get in? And Klay 992 00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.400 Thompson walks out and all six or seven of them 993 00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.480 just followed Clay out back and. 994 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:01.440 And they disappear end of the night. 995 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:03.480 Well I didn't follow them. I don't know where they went. 996 00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:06.000 But the piece that Wickerstram road, he called it the 997 00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:09.920 tenderfication of the NBA whereas back in the day, like 998 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:13.119 Gordon was talking about, and I saw this, you know, 999 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.360 in my own travels, But you've traveled with the teams 1000 00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.679 of more than I have. You know, players get done 1001 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:19.719 with a game, go back to the hotel and then 1002 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:21.800 they're out. They go to the club, right they want 1003 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.559 to meet women, they want to hang out, and that 1004 00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.559 was kind of the deal. And now with dating apps, 1005 00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.639 they land and boom, you're swiping and oh, a girl 1006 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.079 sees Klay Thompson match with me on Tinder, so I'm 1007 00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:33.920 going to go meet him. 1008 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:34.360 After the game. 1009 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:36.639 They don't have to go out the way they used 1010 00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:38.960 to if they want to meet women. And also there's 1011 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:40.760 a little bit more of an understanding of how to 1012 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:44.280 take care of yourself because of the implementation of strength 1013 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.239 and conditioning coach and nutritionists, like teams, they don't want 1014 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.480 these twenty one to twenty two year old players going 1015 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:51.599 out and smash into kuila shots. I think they take 1016 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:53.719 care of themselves better now in a way they didn't 1017 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:54.320 back in the day. 1018 00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.599 I would agree that there's more on the line today 1019 00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.000 than ever because they make it very clear your in 1020 00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:04.880 the NBA and the rookie symposiums that that are held. Look, 1021 00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.119 here's the way you're supposed to act, and the team 1022 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.440 also expects the same thing. 1023 00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:14.480 But at what point is an intrusion into privacy? Because 1024 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:16.400 you know, that's a great point. 1025 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:19.280 You still have your private life, right. It was Tom 1026 00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:22.679 Habershaw who wrote that piece. My bad Tom Habershaw, Yeah, 1027 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:24.960 who wrote the piece about the tender use in the NBA. 1028 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.159 Just but I remember one time at Marina del Rey. 1029 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.199 We were standing at a hotel there and the team 1030 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.880 hotel was next door, the Ritz and and uh, yeah, 1031 00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:36.880 you've been there many times, and the jazz are in 1032 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.920 the playoffs, and there was a certain jazz player who 1033 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:47.039 was checking his cousin into the hotel right when a 1034 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:51.599 few of us media people walked and he was checking 1035 00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:55.320 her in and and he happened to also be married 1036 00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:58.719 at the time, and he was checking this cousin in 1037 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:03.719 And it was just kind of weird because it was like, Okay, 1038 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:06.480 it's really none of our business what so and so 1039 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:07.039 is doing. 1040 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:09.639 Uh, but that's what he was doing. 1041 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:10.800 How do you know it wasn't his cousin. 1042 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:12.840 We were pretty sure. 1043 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:14.800 Can't people have attractive cousins? 1044 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.880 Uh could be a sister. It's a dangerous question in Utah. 1045 00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:21.480 Yeah, true, it could be a sister. 1046 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:22.800 Well your point is, well. 1047 00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:24.679 I don't want to jump to a conclusion, but we 1048 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:26.000 kind of did. 1049 00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:28.840 I think the bottom line to it is that there 1050 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.559 is space that men live and women who travel in 1051 00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:36.719 the WNBA or whatever, you know, there still is a privacy. 1052 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.880 I think the players respect that, the coaches as long 1053 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:44.079 as it doesn't impact that the team concept of winning 1054 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:48.000 and moving forward. You I tell you what, there's some 1055 00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:51.599 nights at three o'clock. He doesn't, You don't. I can't 1056 00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:53.480 say it, but you know what I'm talking about. You 1057 00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.800 just want to go to get your butt upstairs, throw 1058 00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:59.119 your sixty pounds bag that you've been on the road 1059 00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.360 for seven days, and just try to find some sleep. 1060 00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:05.800 I think this particular jazz player just wanted to take 1061 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:06.559 a little comfort. 1062 00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:11.039 Ah, not a pillow simon. You know, look, does it happen? 1063 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:15.480 Sure? I mean, but is this exclusive to the NBA? No? 1064 00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:18.000 I mean business trips, whatever you make, you know, you 1065 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.440 can break it downever you want. But look, traveling is, 1066 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:24.159 in my opinion's still difficult mentally physically, and if you're 1067 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:27.719 making the kind of money that is in the NBA 1068 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:31.800 the National Football League, hockey baseball, there was so much 1069 00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:33.800 at stake now even more that if you want to 1070 00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:37.599 stay in this league and they're pushing you every day 1071 00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:41.559 because there's somebody else rumored to be on their way, 1072 00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:44.199 and so I think the pressure of just being who 1073 00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:48.920 you are and keep and for six months, that's your job. Obviously, 1074 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.760 you work out during the off season, and you may 1075 00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.559 go overseas, you may play in summer leagues or whatever 1076 00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:54.920 it may be. 1077 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:58.239 But man, you've got to be uber focused, especially. 1078 00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:59.920 With a team like the Jazz, because. 1079 00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:01.559 You play hungover. I can't imagine. 1080 00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:03.440 Well, I mean, if you're a star, if you're an 1081 00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:06.519 established star, then people aren't going to really question you 1082 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.639 about what your routine is. But if you're in the 1083 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:12.559 Jazz situation and you're trying to prove yourself and you're 1084 00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.000 trying to improve as you do it, if I were 1085 00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:17.639 one of those guys, I wouldn't be messing around. 1086 00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:18.599 I wouldn't do a thing, man. 1087 00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:22.320 I would play ball, sleep and eat, play ball, sleep 1088 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.440 and eat. As they say is you're living in the tube, 1089 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:29.599 which means the bus, the arena, the hotel, and the plane. 1090 00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:31.199 That's it. That's it. 1091 00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:34.480 That's your life and the money you make is the reward. 1092 00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.039 And right now, the Jazz especially, there's a lot of 1093 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.840 players out there that are still unknown in their own 1094 00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.440 minds or their contracts, and their agents are trying to 1095 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.119 make sure that they play, they live to play another day. 1096 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:49.440 Because I loved your interview with Tony coming in, I 1097 00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.320 mean Tony spot on. I mean there's a lot of ifs. 1098 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.960 There's a lot of players that are potentially ready to 1099 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:57.920 be drafted that could easily jump in and take a 1100 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.119 place or two of multiple jazz players you over this 1101 00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:03.679 next three years. Man, you've got to be solid if 1102 00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:06.360 you're going to survive. Danny Ainge and Justin Zannik. 1103 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:10.880 Do you remember Ron Fellows? Yes, Na sounds familiar, defensive 1104 00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:14.559 bag for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm almost certain my memory 1105 00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:15.760 might be playing a trick on. 1106 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.239 Me, but I was here. 1107 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:23.840 I was interviewing him about Manny hendrick Man, the former 1108 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:27.199 youth basketball player who was trying to make the jump 1109 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:30.639 to the NFL. And the Cowboys were having their training 1110 00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:33.679 camp out a thousand Oaks, and I went out there 1111 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:37.679 and to do something on Manny, and I was stucking 1112 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:41.000 to Ron, and he's an established player in the NFL, 1113 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:43.400 and I'm asking him tell me about Manny Hendrix and 1114 00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:45.199 he said, well, I don't want to give him too 1115 00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.519 much glory or public because I don't want my job 1116 00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:50.199 taken away. 1117 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:51.519 That was the first thing he said. 1118 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.280 Yeah, yeah, think about Kante. 1119 00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:55.599 He's looking over his shoulder, looking at a kind of 1120 00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:58.679 a bulldog athletic point guard in Isaiah Collier. 1121 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:00.679 Yeah, right, does he developed? 1122 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:02.440 Well, look, man, you know I've got I've got my 1123 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:05.199 own worries in U two and you know, or Sensiba. 1124 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.280 All of a sudden, it's starting to look like a 1125 00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.519 six a sixth number six player. Or he's got a 1126 00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.400 body like a d Wade, you know, where he can 1127 00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.320 plow in and get things done. He may actually turn 1128 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.679 out Spence to be a good finisher at the rim. 1129 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:19.599 Of course, he has to learn how to play defense 1130 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.480 or continue to improve there. But man, there's all of 1131 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:26.000 a sudden since we've talked, you know, in studio, there's 1132 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:30.519 been an acceleration of development with the team, and I 1133 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:34.920 probably would say the Hawks loss was as entertaining as 1134 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.719 we've had all season long. On a tree, young heave 1135 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:42.199 ho after Sexton goes crazy with with the tie and 1136 00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.159 you go, wow, did they grow up a lot tonight? 1137 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:47.159 But they still suffered the loss. And I know no 1138 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:49.639 one wants to well, some Jazz fans want to lose, 1139 00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:51.920 and I get it, But for me, it was like, Wow, 1140 00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:56.360 a lot accomplished tonight. Incredible minutes, closing minutes, tight minutes 1141 00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:00.880 against a team that has a really outstanding player to actually, 1142 00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:03.960 but Trey Young's good man. 1143 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.800 When Sexton hit that three, I just saw, Okay, there 1144 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.079 it is. Yeah, And next thing they turn around and 1145 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:15.599 Trey hits that. I texted Quinn and said, what was that? 1146 00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:20.079 And he texted me back and said, crazy stuff. Can't 1147 00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:24.280 make this up. Yeah, you know, it's just I don't 1148 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:26.559 care what the situation is. I don't care what the 1149 00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:28.280 Jazz are trying to do, where they're trying to win 1150 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:28.960 or trying to lose. 1151 00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:31.480 That was a great game. That was a fun game 1152 00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:31.920 to watch. 1153 00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.719 The last ten I think Spence and you're probably looking 1154 00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:38.119 at him right now, I think have been competitive. I 1155 00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:42.199 think we've seen growth. I've seen more confidence in this team. 1156 00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:46.159 Will Hardy's a good coach and the players are connected, 1157 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.280 and you know that's part of the whole process. You know, 1158 00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.840 you talk about building the foundation the winning culture. I 1159 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.280 think the culture the bricks are starting to pile up 1160 00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:57.440 a little bit. And you know, a month ago, I 1161 00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:59.239 don't think we could have said that, but I think 1162 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:00.320 over the last team games. 1163 00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:03.639 Yes, yes, yeah, it's funny. I texted Quinn after the game. 1164 00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:06.159 I said, hey, hell of a play call, and he said, 1165 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:07.840 better to be lucky than good. But that No, that 1166 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.559 was a fun night, and I do think, okay, so 1167 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:14.039 we'll do this topic. Don't catch a break because I 1168 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.519 was thinking about because I've been watching Cleveland. I watched 1169 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.760 the Cabs OKAC game last night, and Donovan is starting 1170 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.639 to really understand. You know, his numbers are about the same. 1171 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:25.280 He didn't shoot it well last night, but if you 1172 00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:30.079 watch the way he's participating in the team offensive flow 1173 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:34.079 and he's playing defense. He actually said, not too long ago, 1174 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:37.800 oh I'm actually trying on defense now. And I'm like, thanks, dude, sweet, yeah, 1175 00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:38.880 you were here for five years. 1176 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:39.360 What was that? 1177 00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:43.280 But I was thinking about through this prison because I 1178 00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:47.960 could remember Donovan's rookie year when he just like remember 1179 00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.599 Gordon Leaves and everybody said, okay, they'll be okay because 1180 00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.199 Rodney Hood is going to step in and take Gordon's usage, 1181 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.960 and honestly, Rodney had shown a little ability. So it's like, 1182 00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:57.639 all right, let's see if Rodney is ready for that 1183 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:01.079 challenge within five games, like he's you know, he's not 1184 00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:03.320 that dude. Maybe he can be a role player that 1185 00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:06.679 can hit some shots. And Quinn said to Donovan, all right, 1186 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.519 you're driving the car now throwing the keys. Boom, Rookie 1187 00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:14.679 takes over. And then the second year Donovan's second year, 1188 00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:19.079 watching that playoff run where Donovan was the main scoring 1189 00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:21.639 option for a team that advanced a couple of rounds. 1190 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.679 They beat OKC Right, Okase was supposed to be that 1191 00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:26.840 super team, And I remember thinking like, this is such 1192 00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.840 great news because for a second year player to have 1193 00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:35.639 playoff experience as the guy that's leading the charge in 1194 00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:38.480 four or five, six years, it's gonna pay off. Now. 1195 00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:42.920 Unfortunately it's paying off for the Cavs. But I've been thinking, like, 1196 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:47.400 for a team that has no playoff basketball in their future, 1197 00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:49.519 how are we going to get some of these young 1198 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:54.800 kids experience in intense game situations if they're not gonna 1199 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:56.960 have playoff experience like Donovan did as a young player. 1200 00:57:56.960 --> 00:57:59.960 Because the experience you have in your one year, two year, 1201 00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:03.159 three manifests, year four, year, five, year six. This is 1202 00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.599 a ride of passage league. So the fact that over 1203 00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:08.639 the past ten to twelve games they've had a couple 1204 00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:11.239 of wins here there, but these games are close down 1205 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.280 the stretch, and it's intense, and it's good basketball against 1206 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.559 good teams. These are the games that you want Keyante 1207 00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:19.440 and I know he's been out, but you want Kyle in, 1208 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:21.760 you want Isaiah, and you want the young players to 1209 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:26.320 feel what it's like to play intense minutes in intense situations. 1210 00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:28.079 And if it's not going to be playoff basketball, this 1211 00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:29.519 is the second best thing exactly. 1212 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:32.280 I thought the same thing down those last four and 1213 00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:34.880 a half minutes, was like, Wow, this is what you know, 1214 00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:38.039 players fans all wanted to see, all want to live for, 1215 00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:42.679 and it is a replica. It's the best replica replication 1216 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:46.280 of a playoff field goro. I mean, you can't replicate 1217 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.480 that until you live it because there is another level. 1218 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:51.559 But this is as close as you can get. And 1219 00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:55.079 also who closes those minutes? You know, Will Hardy is 1220 00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:58.280 using ten player rotations mostly he's gotten a lot of 1221 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.599 guys get a lot of minutes but Cody Williams is 1222 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:03.280 in there, you know, since the ball has been in 1223 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.599 there when he hasn't been ill Kyante has been there 1224 00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.719 and flip his head some moments as well. So how 1225 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:11.679 do you do it? You have to throw them into 1226 00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.880 a situation that they go, Man, this feels good. I 1227 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:17.519 don't like to lose, but boy, it felt good to 1228 00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:20.039 get this to this point. What do I have to 1229 00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:22.360 do now to get to the next level? And so 1230 00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:26.159 it's a process, but I still I hold true the 1231 00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:29.719 last ten games, man, I just get a total sense 1232 00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:33.880 of more confident, more confident Utah Jazz team who seem 1233 00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:37.320 to be handling situations much better. Turnovers are down a bit, 1234 00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:40.400 but they still come back to bite them in just 1235 00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:44.679 stressful times where they haven't been and they seem not 1236 00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.000 to know exactly what to do or if they trust 1237 00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:48.679 themselves or their teammates. 1238 00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:50.559 So, if I were gonna ask the both of you 1239 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:54.280 one conclusion, I know we're really not in the conclusion 1240 00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:58.239 business right now with that team, But based on the 1241 00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:01.280 last ten games, if you had to come up with 1242 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.079 one conclusion about what's happening with the Jazz, what would 1243 01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:04.960 you say it? 1244 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:08.159 In a way, it reminds me of the early part 1245 01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:13.599 of Quinn's tenure here, where early on rebuild team wasn't winning, 1246 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.840 but you could see like this guy can coach. Will 1247 01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:21.199 can coach, and so even on nights like in Orlando, 1248 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:24.039 they sat like half the team, Well, it's like whatever, 1249 01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:28.159 let's just go win the thing. He maximizes the talent 1250 01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:32.559 on that roster, and I just I really hope that 1251 01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:35.360 in the next two years he sees enough to stick 1252 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.599 around for the long term, because I remember thinking before 1253 01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:41.519 Dennis was able to be really savvy and a little 1254 01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:44.519 lucky with Donovan and Rudy, right, but other additions ingles 1255 01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:47.400 pops like nobody thought he would. Then Quinn had a team. 1256 01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.239 I'm like, all right, Quinn is good here. But I 1257 01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:52.159 remember thinking like, if Dennis doesn't get Quinn players, Quinn's 1258 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:54.639 gonna get gone. And I just hope that they can 1259 01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:57.639 give Will enough talent at his disposal that in two 1260 01:00:57.679 --> 01:00:59.679 years from now he sees enough to stay, because I 1261 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:01.920 think he could coach pretty much anywhere in the league. 1262 01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:03.360 I think it'd be a hot commodity if he doesn't 1263 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:03.920 stick around here. 1264 01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:04.679 He deserves it. 1265 01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:06.679 Yeah, No, I mean it comes from you know, the 1266 01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:10.920 Popovich Tree and he's obviously well trained, learned, watched listen 1267 01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:14.519 started in the film room, like Spolstra with pat Riley 1268 01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:17.519 in Miami. There's a lot of comparisons there. But again, 1269 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:22.559 you know how far? How long? Yes, Tony, this too, Spence? 1270 01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:26.239 What's the run time here of actually being a dynamic 1271 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:29.039 playoff team in the West which is aging which will. 1272 01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:30.760 Help the Jazz in a lot of ways. 1273 01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:33.559 But what if you finish with the five spot and 1274 01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:35.880 maybe Lady Luck doesn't follow on you like it did 1275 01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:39.360 with Atlanta. Now, Rishache, you know that the for a 1276 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:41.920 number one pick, I'm not really sure where that is, 1277 01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:45.320 but you know, the next two years there's some home 1278 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:48.800 runs out there to hit and where are the Jazz? 1279 01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:52.559 And the other part of this equation is does Xanik 1280 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.320 and Danny do what they've done the last two years 1281 01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:58.639 and move players prior to the trade deadline? And that 1282 01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:00.639 is yet to be seen if that would really then 1283 01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:03.840 push the Jazz back down from where they are right 1284 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:07.199 now and open up more minutes or even flip and 1285 01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:09.440 if and for Cody and others. 1286 01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:12.119 I don't think they'll do anything. I actually think I mean, look, 1287 01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:14.039 if a GM calls and says I'll give you first 1288 01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:15.519 for Clarkson, they'll take it. 1289 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:17.400 Yeah, or known Collins. 1290 01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:19.519 Yeah, you know, maybe they can get a first for 1291 01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.960 a bad But it almost feels like they're built perfectly 1292 01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:26.719 to stay competitive but continue to lose, and that I 1293 01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:28.280 know it sucks, but that's kind of what you want. 1294 01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.480 Delta Center. Still, I'm really I got applaud Jazz fans. 1295 01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:35.159 It's still wow. They walk in, they want to see 1296 01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:39.280 this rebuild. They're there and I wasn't sure if that 1297 01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:42.199 would be the case this season, but I think they 1298 01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.960 do see what we see, and that is some young 1299 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:50.199 players who have some excitement to them, and you know, 1300 01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.000 it's a wait and see game to see exactly how 1301 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:52.559 long they'll take. 1302 01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:55.800 Can I use one analogy? I look at it like this. 1303 01:02:55.960 --> 01:03:00.559 I think that the Jazz are putting a puzzle together. 1304 01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.440 Only what's the first thing you do when you're doing 1305 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:05.719 a five thousand piece? 1306 01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:07.360 Don't you want to find something else to do? 1307 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:08.360 Sucks? 1308 01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:11.480 Is it a five thousand pieceer we're doing here? 1309 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:16.239 Calif're talking about I want you do the border on 1310 01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:16.679 a puzzle? 1311 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:18.000 Yes, yeah, you do the. 1312 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.480 Border, But the Jazz are doing the middle. 1313 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:23.199 First, building out Yeah, because they don't. 1314 01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:25.280 They don't have a framework. 1315 01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:26.719 That makes it tougher. 1316 01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.960 We started out the segment with cooking potato puffs and 1317 01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.719 the go Daddy instead of tops. 1318 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:34.199 Here and we're talking puzzles. 1319 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:37.679 He literally called tater tots potato puffs. He's a sixty 1320 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:41.599 five year old man calling on. All right, we'll catch 1321 01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:43.679 a break. We're going do some football coming up next, 1322 01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:46.639 Penn State Notre Dame tonight. And since we last spoke, 1323 01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:49.880 Big Time transfer heads down to Provo. Gordon Monson, Greg 1324 01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:52.960 Bullerjack liven Studio. Gordo's almost done with his beer, so 1325 01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:57.639 keep it here on ESPN seven hundred. Got another big 1326 01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:00.719 segment here before we bring in Ted Robinson preview tonight. 1327 01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:04.719 It's Notre Dame Penn State game. Interesting conversation during the break. 1328 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:05.320 I think it. 1329 01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:10.519 I think it. It's probably appropriate and fair to say 1330 01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:13.880 we should all be very grateful for this time and 1331 01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.079 where we find ourselves existing in society. 1332 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:19.480 Yes, I would agree with that one hundred percent. And 1333 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.199 I wish you know this has been something in my 1334 01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:26.320 thirty years of doing radio. Sometimes I think the breaks 1335 01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:28.599 are more interesting than what we say on the air. 1336 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:31.320 I wish all of your listeners could have heard the 1337 01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:32.920 story Craig just told. 1338 01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:34.599 I mean, it's just anyway. 1339 01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:37.360 Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. When you 1340 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:40.840 see what's happening down in southern California right now, people 1341 01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:45.559 losing their homes, people in tough, tough circumstances. 1342 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:46.920 It doesn't be grateful for the good things. 1343 01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:49.800 I think we've lost track of that. Not to preach, 1344 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:52.360 but you know, I hope everybody just takes a deep 1345 01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:56.679 breath on occasion and just understands what really is going down. 1346 01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:59.199 You lose a president and Jimmy Carter, you know, half 1347 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:04.239 staff flags a new president inauguration around the corner, you've 1348 01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:08.280 got fires. It's crazy world, man, make the best of me. 1349 01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:10.280 I don't understand. You know, you know more about that, 1350 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.880 gordl you lived there. But the Santa Anna wins, they 1351 01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.360 always fear that, they always fear the Santa Anna wins. 1352 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.280 And it can just I mean, those things roar like 1353 01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:21.519 forty to sixty miles an hour, right or. 1354 01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:23.719 More more, and so it be more. It's its own 1355 01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:24.480 weather system. 1356 01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:27.360 And so once a fire picks up, and they haven't 1357 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:29.079 had much rain of ending in the last three years 1358 01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:32.159 in sokows so it's it's prime picking. 1359 01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:35.239 I talked to a friend of mine last night and 1360 01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:39.119 he sent me four or five videos he drove around 1361 01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:43.360 my old neighborhoods. I had two different houses down there. 1362 01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:46.760 One of them's gone, the other one made it through. 1363 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:50.079 And I'm like, he's showing me what's going on. And 1364 01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:53.719 I'm like, and people. I heard one person say, isn't 1365 01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:56.039 it a coincidence there was a fire and the wind 1366 01:05:56.199 --> 01:05:58.000 just happened to be blowing at that time, And I 1367 01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:01.360 said no, because there could a fire when the Santa 1368 01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:05.119 Ana's aren't roaring and they just put it out. But 1369 01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:08.599 in this case, that wind picks up those zmbers and 1370 01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:11.320 they are flying all over the place and next thing 1371 01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:12.800 you know, your city's burning down. 1372 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:13.519 It's crazy. 1373 01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:14.480 Yeah, it's horrifying. 1374 01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:14.639 Man. 1375 01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:17.519 It looks like apocalyptic out there. But there was this 1376 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:20.719 let's see here. Let me give this guy the proper credit. 1377 01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:23.800 So David Bornstein is his name, and he's he's the 1378 01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:27.760 co founder of a organization called the Solutions Journalism Network, 1379 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:29.639 and he wrote an op ed for The New York 1380 01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:32.760 Times two years ago and said, scared by the news, 1381 01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:35.800 question mark take the long view. Now's the greatest time 1382 01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.639 in history to be alive. But the problem is we're 1383 01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:45.559 all consuming fear based you know, propaganda and for profit 1384 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:47.920 news that doesn't give a rip about truth. They want 1385 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:50.039 to scare you, so you keep consuming. And if you 1386 01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:52.039 get lost in the cycle about who's going to be 1387 01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:54.400 president and then half the country hates that Canada and 1388 01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:57.239 suddenly we're on the precipice of a civil war, you 1389 01:06:57.320 --> 01:06:59.800 lose track of the long game, which is truly, this 1390 01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:02.280 is the best time in human history to be alive. 1391 01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:05.199 And I think it's important to keep reminding people of 1392 01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:07.480 that because it does feel like life is so hard 1393 01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:09.119 for so many people right now. And I'm not sure 1394 01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:12.000 how necessary that is. If you just reframe your thinking, 1395 01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:15.039 the truth does get lost, and that's a scary thing. 1396 01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:17.760 When the truth doesn't matter anymore, and when it comes 1397 01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:20.639 to government and other things, then you've got a bit 1398 01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:23.760 of a problem that needs to be handled. But you're right, Spence, 1399 01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:26.519 when you think of the advances and I hear people 1400 01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:29.400 complain about doctors, and they complain about this. When you 1401 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.599 think about the advances in medicine and how it's helping 1402 01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:36.679 people live rich lives, and I don't not talk about financially, 1403 01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:37.159 they're just. 1404 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:39.280 Being able to live. I mean, we do. 1405 01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:43.199 Live in a fantastic time. But and people used to 1406 01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:44.960 ask me this all the time, and they say, man, 1407 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.239 the news is so negative all the time. 1408 01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:47.840 I get it. 1409 01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:51.039 I get what you're saying. But the very definition of 1410 01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:56.119 news is that which is extraordinary. And so if the 1411 01:07:56.239 --> 01:08:01.199 bad news is extraordinary when it gets when don't get 1412 01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:04.719 really bad, is if the good news is extraordinary, and 1413 01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:08.920 that's what's being portrayed. And so take good some optimism 1414 01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.519 out of that, you know, be Paul McCartney and say 1415 01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:13.880 everything is getting better. 1416 01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:16.239 Not John Lennon. It couldn't get no no. 1417 01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:18.399 I pick up this phone, Spence, and I think, what 1418 01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:22.720 an incredible development this was. You're what are we on 1419 01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:26.079 the iPhone sixteen going on seventeen? I mean, I don't 1420 01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:28.479 use half of whatever's on this thing. I don't have 1421 01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:31.399 any need for it, but it's you can become addicted 1422 01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:34.920 to it, and anyone now has everyone has a voice, 1423 01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:37.119 but now it's heard more than ever. You know, we 1424 01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:39.840 just grew up in an era with Gordo and I 1425 01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:42.960 where of course we sat down and watched two newscasts, 1426 01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:45.800 the six and ten in the old days or the 1427 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.880 five thirty National News with the Kronkite and others. I 1428 01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:53.279 miss Walter, Yeah, and you know those are those are 1429 01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:55.560 early memories for me. But there was no other way 1430 01:08:55.600 --> 01:09:00.119 to get news. But now news is so fast and 1431 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:03.680 the six and ten is old news, and so now 1432 01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:06.520 they do more local. But I think that's something that 1433 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:09.119 you can almost become addicted to, is the negativity that 1434 01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:11.520 you see on your phone every day and so many 1435 01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:15.760 different areas of communication. So you have to decide for yourself. 1436 01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:18.159 And I've decided to kind of let it just sit 1437 01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:20.079 down a little bit more, to be honest with you, 1438 01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:22.720 because i'ment on the road. My office is the plane. 1439 01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:25.760 My office is my hotel room. And sometimes, you know, 1440 01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.359 after my fifth run of mash Or Gilligan's Island, you know, 1441 01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:32.159 I've got to do something else. So I picked this 1442 01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:35.159 up and go, no, that can't be right, And you know, 1443 01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:39.359 and and they all have. Everyone has their own opinion 1444 01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:40.840 about every subject that's out there. 1445 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:44.199 I read somewhere where there's more computing power in that 1446 01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:48.359 phone you just picked up than thes that put the 1447 01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:49.600 man on the moon. 1448 01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:53.119 Yes, exactly right, Yeah, yeah, you know it's we could 1449 01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:56.079 do hours and hours on this topic. You know, to 1450 01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:59.520 your point about progress in medicine, I mean, our life inspects, 1451 01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:01.399 expect and sy has gone up over the past one 1452 01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:04.039 hundred and fifty years because we've learned how to eradicate 1453 01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:05.239 diseases through science. 1454 01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:07.520 This body's only made to last fifty. 1455 01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:11.079 And then I swear, and then ultimately I got these 1456 01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:13.359 you know, artificial this and ar You know what I mean. 1457 01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:17.079 It's amazing COVID gets politicized and we forget like, no, 1458 01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:19.760 we need to keep eradicating diseases through science. That's why 1459 01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:22.920 we're living longer than we over have. Interesting enough, though, 1460 01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:27.319 life expectancy for white men in America has actually gone 1461 01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:31.119 down since COVID Apple beer, what's the apple beer? 1462 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:32.840 Yes, what's the explanation for this? 1463 01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:38.039 I think there are a lot of lonely, disenfranchised, you know, 1464 01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:42.039 middle aged men that don't have life partners, that don't 1465 01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:44.720 have things to get them out of bed every day 1466 01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:47.239 that excite them. They probably thought they were going to 1467 01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:49.760 be presidents of companies and now they're barely hanging on. 1468 01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:53.239 And so there are things out there that indicate people 1469 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:55.399 I think are just thinking the wrong way. Though, you know, 1470 01:10:55.800 --> 01:10:58.800 that's why this piece where it's like, keep the long 1471 01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:00.520 game in mind. This is an ext the time to 1472 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:03.000 be alive. Not enough people, I think fully Embrace, Embrace. 1473 01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:06.319 I love what's your message there is, Spence. I couldn't 1474 01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:07.239 agree with you more. 1475 01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:10.760 Even though we get the extraordinary, we get so much 1476 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:15.000 of the bad news, it really is probably the best 1477 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.239 time ever to be alive. 1478 01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:18.800 I'm gonna send you this out at I think you'd 1479 01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:18.960 like that. 1480 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:19.880 Yeah, for as far. 1481 01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:23.399 As opportunity, as far as health, as far as UH, 1482 01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.680 as far as maybe some degree of open mindedness at 1483 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:31.920 least in some camps UH, and the opportunity that to 1484 01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:34.520 be what you want to be if if you're willing 1485 01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:36.479 to pay the price, and if you do have the 1486 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:40.279 original opportunity from jump, because if you don't have that opportunity, 1487 01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:43.439 then you can be stepped on your whole entire existence. 1488 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:46.359 And one last thought, I think you have to force yourself, 1489 01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:50.560 to Spence and Gordo, to actually control your own narrative, 1490 01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:55.840 because you can actually become overwhelmed with negativity. And you know, 1491 01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:59.159 why do some white men don't make it as long 1492 01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:02.159 as what the norm is, if that's you know what 1493 01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:05.600 the study you just said is that you become depressed. 1494 01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:08.239 You only look at the negative, and if you're that 1495 01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:11.000 negative in life, then it draws you down. Your health 1496 01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:13.640 is impacted by it as well. Mental health is a 1497 01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:16.479 key here, That's my point. Mental health is something that 1498 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:19.000 you have a friend. If you know someone that needs 1499 01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:22.000 to talk, I think it's super important to try to 1500 01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:25.000 offer that type of help or someone to talk with 1501 01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:26.960 a guide them to the right people. 1502 01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:30.399 Well, I think I have a good idea about your 1503 01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:33.239 entire background. I could get you in a whole lot 1504 01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:35.800 of trouble. I know so much about you. Yeah, spend 1505 01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:39.199 the same thing with you. And when I look at you, 1506 01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:43.000 guys's lifeline and how you've sort of gone through and 1507 01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:47.560 overcome certain challenges. And look, I'm not saying that, I'm 1508 01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:50.119 not saying that, oh boy, you guys had it so 1509 01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:52.800 rough from the beginning, but you have had your rough 1510 01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:57.680 spots and you overcame them through some degree of positivity. 1511 01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:00.359 You know, I mean, if you weren't an optim. 1512 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:04.119 Has spent some of the challenges that you've overcome are unbelievable. 1513 01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:06.560 It's a great story. And same thing with you, Bowler. 1514 01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:09.560 And so if there's a message in this for all 1515 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:12.000 your listeners out there, Spence. I hope they hang on 1516 01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:16.520 and keep climbing and keep working towards something positive, because 1517 01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:18.760 you can make a difference in this world. 1518 01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:21.720 You can do. I sound like a Baptist preacher. 1519 01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:24.399 You do, amen, It's a revival here right here on 1520 01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:25.159 seven hundred. 1521 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:27.359 I like the new approach gory. You know, if I 1522 01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:30.920 told you my one resolution, well, I mean it is 1523 01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:32.119 still the first week of January. 1524 01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:36.800 It's like like water Boy when he says the play 1525 01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:41.079 another day. Yes, there we go. See that's think about that. 1526 01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:45.279 Live to play another day. So if you're down, you 1527 01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:49.199 just have to remember tomorrow you continue on perfect well, 1528 01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:51.800 said last thing here, and then we'll move on entirely. 1529 01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:55.359 But I find this really fascinating because the leading cause 1530 01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:57.680 of death for middle aged white man it's still heart disease, 1531 01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:02.079 but number two is accident old deaths meaning suicide addiction 1532 01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:03.199 related overdoses. 1533 01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:05.239 That's now number two. You know. 1534 01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:07.800 So you have a lot of depressed, like lonely men 1535 01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:10.479 out there right now that they just get lost in 1536 01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:10.960 their mind. 1537 01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:12.079 What's the answer? 1538 01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:16.239 Well, number one, recognize that your mind lies to you. 1539 01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:19.199 Your mind is constantly barking at you about things that 1540 01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:22.600 aren't true constantly. Yes, there's a difference between thinking and thoughts. 1541 01:14:22.720 --> 01:14:24.760 Thoughts are the things that just come in when you're 1542 01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:26.399 not you're just sitting there and like, oh, you're a 1543 01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:29.199 piece of you know, you did this. You can combat 1544 01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.159 that with positive thinking, but it takes practice. 1545 01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.359 The thing I've learned is that everyone has just the 1546 01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:38.199 odd thought that you know, when you're growing up, you know, 1547 01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:40.239 you just think that life is just you know, you're 1548 01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:42.800 out of the playground having a good old time playing baseball. 1549 01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:45.840 But then you hit the real reality of life and 1550 01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:48.199 you think, oh, wonder what that popped into my head? 1551 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:50.039 What what that was? Kind of sitting dumb. 1552 01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:52.760 Thought, Yeah, dumb thought, but it's it happens, and people 1553 01:14:52.800 --> 01:14:58.560 can't sit on it and just, I think, become obsessed 1554 01:14:58.720 --> 01:14:59.079 with that. 1555 01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:00.720 And that's why you just are a bit and let 1556 01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:03.199 it go. If you can't, you can't get lost in 1557 01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:04.640 the mind because then it goes like this. 1558 01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:07.319 I think that all three of us have been extremely 1559 01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:12.000 fortunate in our lives, but we've also overcome some things 1560 01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:15.079 that people may not know about. And I love it 1561 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:17.920 when people say he always remember that the guy you're 1562 01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:19.560 talking to or the guy. 1563 01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:21.960 Sitting next to you. You don't know what his problems. 1564 01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:25.680 Everyone has, what I've learned, everyone has a story. Yeah, everyone, 1565 01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:29.319 everyone has a story. Every person in the arena that 1566 01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:32.600 you set to, you're you're you know, everyone is going 1567 01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:35.960 through something and they're really good at hiding it. And 1568 01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:38.159 you're lucky enough if you can find one or two 1569 01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:40.720 friends along the way that you can actually trust and 1570 01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:44.239 open up and maybe they give you some ideas to 1571 01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:49.560 either alleviate or find answers to some of those stresses 1572 01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:52.359 that everybody takes every day. Well, I think I'm still 1573 01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:55.720 working hard on mine. I mean, look, it never ends. 1574 01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:59.520 You just kind of find ways to say, okay, progress, 1575 01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:01.279 I get it, you know, I get it. 1576 01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:01.960 I understand. 1577 01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:05.600 I have made a profession out of expressing opinion but 1578 01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:10.520 also interviewing people to tell their stories. And I boler, 1579 01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:12.920 I did that to you did and we got into 1580 01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:15.640 all kinds of stuff. Did I make you uncomfortable with that? 1581 01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:15.880 Now? 1582 01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:16.439 You know what? 1583 01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:18.800 I need to talk about those things as I get older. 1584 01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:21.920 There's a great story and people boler. 1585 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:24.720 People look at you and say, oh, he's got it made. 1586 01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:25.960 Look at what he's doing. 1587 01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:29.119 Wouldn't that be a great job to have they have 1588 01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:31.359 no clue what you've overcome in your life and spent 1589 01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:34.399 the same thing with you. And this is interesting because 1590 01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:38.239 when I interview I've interviewed people over the last fifty years, 1591 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.279 a lot of times they think, oh, I don't have 1592 01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:43.680 anything really interesting to say about myself. 1593 01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:45.800 I'm telling you, almost. 1594 01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:49.039 Everyone listening to your show right now, Spence, you have 1595 01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:52.000 a story to tell, and you have an interesting story 1596 01:16:52.000 --> 01:16:54.640 to tell, and you have a worthwhile story to tell. 1597 01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:59.399 But people don't give themselves enough credit I think for 1598 01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:01.680 what they've been well. 1599 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:03.960 And when you when you share it, it empowers others 1600 01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:06.199 to help. And I will say, before we move on 1601 01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:08.239 a little football with a few minutes left, I just 1602 01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:11.279 know that you're not alone in struggles and in sadness 1603 01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:14.279 and in loneliness. And ignore those dumb thoughts, man, let 1604 01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:16.199 them go and get back to center, and just get 1605 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:16.840 through another day, and. 1606 01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:22.479 Ignore the criticism that comes from the guy behind the HI. 1607 01:17:22.520 --> 01:17:23.239 It doesn't matter. 1608 01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:25.439 I know it's sports talk radio, but I hope that 1609 01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:28.680 if we touch one person in this twenty minute segment, 1610 01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:32.800 then that's a good thing for this day. I'm one person. 1611 01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:37.000 If we just made one person think differently or say, 1612 01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:39.159 you know what, I'm gonna make a conversation about this 1613 01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:41.000 or I'm going to go look and find somebody that 1614 01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:44.119 can help. Then amen, we did the right thing today. Sometimes, 1615 01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:46.520 you know, I get ah, you guys get off topic 1616 01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:48.720 and stuff. Yeah, but you know what, We're just talking 1617 01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:50.760 life sometimes too, and I like that. 1618 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:52.960 And I'm on here for four hours. 1619 01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:54.840 So you can stay tuned for sports for the other 1620 01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:57.600 three hours and forty minutes. So everybody calmed down. But 1621 01:17:57.680 --> 01:17:59.960 let me get both your opinions on this. And I 1622 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:02.279 I think I've talked to you both separately about the dynamic. 1623 01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.079 But with a few minutes we have left, let's get 1624 01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:08.279 into this. You know Keano Tanavasa, who is a professional 1625 01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:11.479 football player. He's going to play in the NFL and 1626 01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:13.640 he's awesome. And if you're a ute fan and you're 1627 01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:16.399 following the news and you see that, you know, Makai 1628 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:19.199 Pittman his inners of transfer port, you're like, all right, dude, 1629 01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:21.560 by five, good luck. But then you see that Kanu 1630 01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:23.880 does and you go, oh, man, that hurts. And then 1631 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:27.159 you see he goes to Byu and that hurts even worse. 1632 01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:30.039 I'm happy for Kilani and Jay to get this kid 1633 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:32.279 who's a stud and also seems like a good kid. 1634 01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:35.520 But the way he announced it was interesting because he 1635 01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:38.880 took a lot of heat because Keanu went at Cameron 1636 01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:43.039 Calhoun who Cameron said a Utah manami, and then Caylin 1637 01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:45.359 Debor said, well, do you want to check out Tuscaloosa. 1638 01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:47.359 He's like, okay, that sounds good. So he goes down 1639 01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:50.039 to Bama and Keanu kind of cracked on him on 1640 01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:53.439 social and he sends out Utah manami and then boom 1641 01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:55.800 deletes the tweet two days later. And I was told 1642 01:18:55.880 --> 01:18:58.439 he told the Utah coaches two weeks before we found 1643 01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:02.760 out he heads down a pro releases a scripture. His 1644 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:05.479 father is very active on social which I didn't know this, 1645 01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:07.760 and he said when the heavens open, our family listens. 1646 01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:11.119 And I was told Keano told the youth coaches, God wants. 1647 01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:11.439 Me in provo. 1648 01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:14.960 What do you say to that? You know, like what 1649 01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:16.720 I'm not saying. 1650 01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:18.560 He's using it as a smoke screen. 1651 01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:22.600 And you know, this is the unique dynamic with Brigham 1652 01:19:22.600 --> 01:19:25.239 Young in Utah and the religious like undertones of the 1653 01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:28.640 football rivalry. But there are a lot of things like, oh, 1654 01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:31.079 what's the what's the number. Okay, help us, we can 1655 01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:33.800 maybe meet this with nil. Okay, what are they promising you? Okay, 1656 01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:35.760 we can send you the NFL as well. But when 1657 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:39.760 someone says like this is God's will, what do you do? 1658 01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:42.039 You give him a high five and say there's nothing. 1659 01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:42.760 You can really say to it. 1660 01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:48.199 No, I mean, you know, look Kyle Whittingham, former BYU player, 1661 01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:52.880 so you know he understands probably better than the three 1662 01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:54.920 of us. Gordo, you'll understand it better than I do. 1663 01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:59.359 I'm the outsider here growing up in the Midwest, and 1664 01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:02.359 I'm were coming here in eighty five trying to figure out. Wow, 1665 01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:06.239 I didn't wow the BYU Utah rivalry. Man, This is 1666 01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:10.760 a little odd, but interesting but intense. Yeah, this one's interesting. 1667 01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:13.039 There's not much you can't say, Spence, I don't think. 1668 01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:14.479 I would say this about that. 1669 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:17.119 Everyone has to make their own mind up about what's 1670 01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:21.439 most important for them. But you can find God at 1671 01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:24.039 Utah just as well as you can at BYU. I 1672 01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:26.560 mean it's not as much out there and straight in 1673 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:32.359 your face, but the largest LDS institute in the world 1674 01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:35.760 is sitting up on the hill on Utah's campus. So 1675 01:20:35.880 --> 01:20:37.760 I mean you can find that if that's what you're 1676 01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:41.159 looking for. Typically, when I hear that, I think, okay, 1677 01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:45.119 there are other factors as well. There's something going on here. 1678 01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:50.199 And I'm not discounting him his feeling religiously at BYU 1679 01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:53.680 whatever if I'm not saying he doesn't feel that, but 1680 01:20:54.439 --> 01:20:55.920 there are other things as well. 1681 01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:58.119 And he talked about the coaching. 1682 01:20:58.319 --> 01:21:02.000 I mean, he said that coaches at b YU would 1683 01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:05.880 love him even if he sucked. Use those words, but 1684 01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:08.119 he essentially the only thing that does that mean that 1685 01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:10.159 Kyle would have been all over what. I don't know 1686 01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:13.079 what that means, but it spoke to him personally. Whether 1687 01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:16.000 God spoke to him, I don't know, but you know, 1688 01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:17.960 you got to follow your own heart, and if. 1689 01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:19.760 That's what this heart's telling them, then go do it. 1690 01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:22.960 The only other thing that comes into play for me, guys, 1691 01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:28.119 is that if there's other situations at at hand at 1692 01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:31.159 both schools that impacts those decisions. What I mean by 1693 01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:35.600 that is the future of Utah football quit. 1694 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:36.680 And the link to time. 1695 01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:40.199 He stays that he knows more than than others and 1696 01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:42.800 that the feel good feeling is gone and BYU's on 1697 01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:46.279 the upswing, and you know, this is the time but 1698 01:21:46.479 --> 01:21:48.720 I'm with you. If you're if you feel like that, 1699 01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:51.199 the heavens, as his dad said, has opened and spoken. 1700 01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:53.399 What do you say to that? I mean it's like, 1701 01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:55.359 go with your heart. I guess right. 1702 01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:58.079 And this bo we're living today is the portal, the 1703 01:21:58.199 --> 01:22:01.199 nil money, all those things are the trickle down effects 1704 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:03.800 as well. Who knows? And you know what, it's hard 1705 01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:09.520 to I guess counter that with other you know, like, oh, 1706 01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:10.680 was it cash only? 1707 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:14.159 Was it you know? The is it playing opportunity? 1708 01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:14.359 What? 1709 01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:15.479 You know? What? What could it be? 1710 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:17.840 But if the young man says it's you know, that's 1711 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:20.399 what the good man wants, then so be it and 1712 01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:21.720 shake his hand and say good luck. 1713 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:23.000 Do you think God cares? 1714 01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:25.680 That's here we go, buddy, here we go. 1715 01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:29.319 This has been a question that I get asked constantly 1716 01:22:29.479 --> 01:22:33.840 because it's very in the forefront of sports today interviews 1717 01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:40.199 after games. Yes, intriguing, yes, yes, And I wonder I 1718 01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:42.920 don't know how that really sets or settles in with 1719 01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:47.479 most fans who watch football because it's a violent ass game. 1720 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:49.479 Man. But then at the same. 1721 01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:53.520 Time you turn and praise your heavenly father for the victory. 1722 01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:55.159 So what does he think about it? And this is 1723 01:22:55.159 --> 01:22:57.640 what I was gonna So he didn't like the the opponent. 1724 01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:01.000 That's always the counter to this. I think it's it's 1725 01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:05.960 tough to intertwine it. You know, Tim Tebow really came out, remember, 1726 01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:08.960 and was on the forefront of that as well. I 1727 01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:12.640 think he had underneath his own his eye wasn't the 1728 01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:18.119 sticker was the psalms and it was. 1729 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:20.039 John? 1730 01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:20.279 Was it? 1731 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:20.439 What? 1732 01:23:20.520 --> 01:23:20.720 Yeah? 1733 01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:22.199 Psalms? John? Yes. 1734 01:23:22.399 --> 01:23:25.640 But I think it's really interesting to see how people 1735 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:28.319 react to that. And it's more of a it's it's 1736 01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:33.000 much more now happening in collegiate athletics. Not as much 1737 01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:35.479 I see in pros but on occasion, but a lot 1738 01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:38.439 now in postgame comments, and I guess even on Sunday 1739 01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:39.960 and Monday Night football, same type of thing. 1740 01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:43.039 I always thought that when Tebow went into the end 1741 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:47.840 zone and took a knee instead of prayer. I look, 1742 01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:51.039 I'm a religious person, try to be, but that to 1743 01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:56.199 me is the greatest form of smack talk that you 1744 01:23:56.319 --> 01:24:00.920 can do, because you're essentially proclaiming to God, thank you 1745 01:24:01.159 --> 01:24:03.720 for blessing me over the schmuck. 1746 01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:06.920 I just beat in the insiet. Yeah, And I don't 1747 01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:08.479 like it's a tightrope to walk. 1748 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:11.840 I prefer to have it separate, not because I don't think. 1749 01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:12.520 I think God. 1750 01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:16.399 If you believe in God, okay, and God can bless 1751 01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:20.239 your life. He wants you to live a happy, productive life, 1752 01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:23.960 but he doesn't necessarily favor you over the guy you 1753 01:24:24.119 --> 01:24:24.520 just beat. 1754 01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:28.319 Now that's a great topic of conversation, and Spence, I 1755 01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:29.079 got to applaud you. 1756 01:24:29.159 --> 01:24:29.319 Man. 1757 01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:33.119 This show in one hour's time really goes back to Napoleon, 1758 01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:39.840 Dynamite and frozen tater tots and all the way to take. Man, 1759 01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:42.479 think about that where we covered this today. Man, it's 1760 01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:43.760 the world of sport. 1761 01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:44.199 Really. 1762 01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:47.159 I think the lesson for me is it's all encompassing 1763 01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:54.119 of us of life. It is we live for sport, competition, 1764 01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:57.600 for the gladiators that we watch on the field at 1765 01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:02.720 certain times and then praise them or they praise their God. 1766 01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:07.239 It's it's fascinating to me, and it's it's it is. 1767 01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:08.760 What it is. If you want to hear it as 1768 01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:11.039 you like I guess, as a as a as a consumer. 1769 01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:13.439 If you want to hear a good speech on this, 1770 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:17.039 listen to Steve Young. He's got some great deep thoughts 1771 01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:21.319 on the value of sports and the relationship with what 1772 01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:24.319 we're talking about here, and he talks about Ronnie Lott 1773 01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:27.960 in the lessons he taught Steve about the importance of 1774 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:31.399 what you're doing in the middle of competition, but not 1775 01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:34.640 necessarily that I'm a winner and you're a loser. That's 1776 01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:39.319 not the labeling that any kind of power up above 1777 01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:42.199 would it would have in mind, but that's the way 1778 01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:43.600 it's portrayed sometimes. 1779 01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:48.039 And you want to end the show is saying praise Jesus. 1780 01:25:49.239 --> 01:25:51.319 Taking aid before the game tonight. Now you know, I 1781 01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:55.159 I'm it's personal for me, but I I feel very connected, 1782 01:25:56.479 --> 01:26:01.399 but I just don't use that verbally in public. And 1783 01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:04.600 again that's something that again is a personal decision to 1784 01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:09.119 do and I try to respect that. But at the 1785 01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:13.159 same time I get pushed back from fans who says 1786 01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:15.800 that's a great thing, or I that does not jive 1787 01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:18.479 with the way that I live my life. You can 1788 01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:22.560 buy a Trump Bible so and sneakers. Yeah, but you 1789 01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:24.359 know that's where we are today. This is again as 1790 01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:27.560 a microcosm of where we are in society today, very 1791 01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:30.960 split on so many issues, and for us to come 1792 01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:32.920 together and just talk about it's a good thing. And 1793 01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:35.119 then you make your own decision and if you want 1794 01:26:35.119 --> 01:26:37.600 to get mad at Gorda Orrye or Spen's fine. But 1795 01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:39.960 you know, everyone has an opinion about it, but it's 1796 01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:43.439 right there for us all to consume and see. Do 1797 01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:44.439 you agree with everything? 1798 01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:44.600 No? 1799 01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:46.600 But how do you accept it? I think is probably 1800 01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:47.399 the biggest challenge. 1801 01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:50.000 And certainly faith faith is an individual thing, and I'm 1802 01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:52.439 not judging anybody for the way they decide to, you know, 1803 01:26:52.640 --> 01:26:55.199 express their faith. But sometimes when it's laid on super 1804 01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:58.000 thick with the outcomes of games, I'm like, does God 1805 01:26:58.039 --> 01:27:00.479 have like a fourteen parlay that he needs one to hit? 1806 01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:00.600 You? 1807 01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:02.920 Like, does he pulling up his draft kings app like, 1808 01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:04.439 oh I need Penn State to win? And I like 1809 01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:07.560 the way it's laid on sometimes is just like I 1810 01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:08.479 don't know, it's a little weird. 1811 01:27:08.479 --> 01:27:11.439 But you know what that comment right there that makes 1812 01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:15.720 me laugh, man, Yeah, a fourteen parlay going tonight? 1813 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:18.119 You mean that God is in a Notre Dame. 1814 01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:22.279 Season to Notre Dame tonight, Notre Dame, Penn State, Gattle 1815 01:27:22.359 --> 01:27:24.439 States d By the way, it's pretty good. Well, thanks 1816 01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:28.079 for humoring me and leaning in a different direction to 1817 01:27:28.079 --> 01:27:31.000 come Onotato puffs, get some puffs. 1818 01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:33.119 I got a microwave down here. Let's roll. 1819 01:27:33.119 --> 01:27:35.439 I always prefer it in studio. Great to see you guys. 1820 01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:39.680 By the way, Jazz, no, no, no, not Jazz. We 1821 01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:43.399 are sitting next to you. The three time Utah Sports 1822 01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:48.159 Broadcaster of the Year, Craig. Congratulations and while we're in space, 1823 01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:50.520 real quick shout out to clearly the best sports rider 1824 01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:52.680 in the market, Sarah Todd for winning her award. 1825 01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:57.600 Is first of all, this way, uh that award. If 1826 01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:00.000 that award was properly done, bowler would have won. 1827 01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:03.640 Okay, kind of you, my friend. You know what, I've 1828 01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:04.720 worked with some great people and. 1829 01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:08.520 You know, Trav I got JB and Joe and Stoke 1830 01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:11.760 and everybody I got to I've got great support the 1831 01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:13.720 Jazz have some great people that I work with and 1832 01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:14.279 I'm blessed. 1833 01:28:14.319 --> 01:28:18.079 Thank you. Have a great call. It's going to happen. 1834 01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:20.760 It's the Bowler every year. In my opinion, it's going 1835 01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:21.159 to happen. 1836 01:28:21.199 --> 01:28:23.279 Spence. Great to see you guys, have a great call tonight. Okay, 1837 01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:24.239 appreciate you. 1838 01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:29.279 You can hear the CFP semi final at the Capitol 1839 01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:31.439 One Orange Bowl. Let's give the sponsor a shout out 1840 01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:34.880 tonight following the Craig Smith Coaches Show, Notre Dame, Penn 1841 01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:38.680 State and our next guest, I have to imagine is 1842 01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:42.680 excited for it tonight's festivities, Uncle Ted, as he's gone 1843 01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:45.439 around these parts, the Great Ted Robinson on a Thursday. Ted, 1844 01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:46.880 Happy Thursday, sir, how are you? 1845 01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:49.840 It's great to be back with you. Happy New Year? 1846 01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:53.000 And yeah, I mean it's it's nice to see and look, 1847 01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:57.920 Penn State is a terrific school itself, so and I 1848 01:28:57.960 --> 01:29:00.520 think many of us, I guess you probably are not 1849 01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:03.680 surprisday we say this, are very happy that the SEC 1850 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:07.359 is not of office. Texas is not the SEC, even 1851 01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:11.640 though they're taking the money from us. It's been good 1852 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:16.239 and you know what, the games last week actually ended 1853 01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:18.199 up being pretty good, and I was happy for that 1854 01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:21.000 because we all know the first week that Friday Saturday 1855 01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:21.800 was not good. 1856 01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:24.159 Oh for sure. And you know, I do want to 1857 01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:27.359 get to some Macro takeaways. But since you are a 1858 01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:30.680 proud Notre Dame alum, I wanted to have you on 1859 01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:34.399 today to talk about what exactly would it mean for 1860 01:29:34.840 --> 01:29:38.359 this institution and folks such as yourself did care about it. 1861 01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:41.600 If Notre Dame is not only able to win tonight, 1862 01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:44.640 but go in their first national championship since what nineteen 1863 01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:45.119 eighty eight? 1864 01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:49.399 Wow, well, yeah, it would mean It would mean a 1865 01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:52.920 ton And I will always proclaim that Notre Dame won 1866 01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:56.359 the national championship in nineteen ninety three since the peat 1867 01:29:56.439 --> 01:29:59.279 fle are to stay head to head in November and 1868 01:29:59.319 --> 01:30:02.079 the two schools ended up with the same record. But 1869 01:30:02.159 --> 01:30:04.039 back then there was not a whole lot of love 1870 01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:07.159 for the Holtz and Bobby Bowden was beloved by the media, 1871 01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:10.039 had never won the national championship and so they gave 1872 01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:11.880 it to him. And that's just the way it is. 1873 01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:15.199 And that's why, you know, it's one of the many 1874 01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:19.159 reasons why we eventually got to various forms of playoffs 1875 01:30:20.119 --> 01:30:22.119 is because that was just ridiculous. I mean, the two 1876 01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:25.039 teams met head to head in November, not a week zero, 1877 01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:27.680 and Notre Dame beat them and you end up with 1878 01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:31.039 the same record. That usually means the tie break, right, 1879 01:30:31.119 --> 01:30:33.439 but that didn't happen Idea anyway, What it would mean 1880 01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:36.159 in the present day would be a lot. It would 1881 01:30:36.199 --> 01:30:40.439 be confirmation for Marcus Freeman. I'm very open with the 1882 01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:43.880 fact that I met Marcus Freeman once I met him 1883 01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:46.359 last year when Notre Dame played at Stanford the final 1884 01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:50.439 Pack twelve Network football game. Very impressive. I'm thrilled for 1885 01:30:50.479 --> 01:30:53.880 the university because it was way too long to have 1886 01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:58.159 diversity in our coaching ranks. Being the prim and Catholic 1887 01:30:58.239 --> 01:31:01.079 university in the world, that should be something is important 1888 01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:04.279 to us, and we didn't practice it enough in my 1889 01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:09.479 view until recently. And Marcus Freeman even now has gotten 1890 01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:11.760 heat from alums because of some of the losses Notre 1891 01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:14.479 Dame's had in this three years, including Northern Illinois this year, 1892 01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:18.800 and I'm thrilled for the results because it just silenced 1893 01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:22.399 all of that. Admittedly, Notre Dame didn't have the toughest 1894 01:31:22.439 --> 01:31:27.920 schedule this year because the ACC wasn't great. USC was 1895 01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:32.000 not great, so it wasn't it wasn't the gauntlet that 1896 01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:34.119 some of the SEC teams have to face. Let's let's 1897 01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:36.520 be clear on that. But Notre Dame handled their business 1898 01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:37.720 and they handled it pretty well. 1899 01:31:38.159 --> 01:31:41.720 So James Franklin with some comments about his belief that 1900 01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:44.720 every school should have a you know, should be in 1901 01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:50.359 a conference, and Notre Dame has always been the one institution, 1902 01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:52.960 the one brand that's been able to make this model work. 1903 01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:55.199 And if they win the national championship, I think the 1904 01:31:55.279 --> 01:31:59.119 check is twenty twenty one million, which goes to Notre Dame. 1905 01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:01.520 They don't have to split it to the winner, goes 1906 01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:04.960 to Spoil. So help us understand a little bit more 1907 01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:09.359 as to why the independent dynamic is so important to 1908 01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:12.000 the lifeblood of not just the football program, but the 1909 01:32:12.039 --> 01:32:13.520 institution that is Notre Dame. 1910 01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:18.680 Okay, yeah, I don't know what. I didn't I'm not 1911 01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:21.920 familiar with James Franklin's comment there. I don't understand it, 1912 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:23.680 as you related. I don't know what. First of all, 1913 01:32:23.800 --> 01:32:26.600 none of his business. And secondly, I don't know why 1914 01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:30.840 is there a constitutional mandate here that every school has 1915 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:33.239 to be a part of something that doesn't seem to 1916 01:32:33.239 --> 01:32:36.560 make a whole lot of sense. But anyway, having said that, 1917 01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:40.000 let's let me say two things. One, Notre Dame is 1918 01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:42.359 really part of the conference. They are in the ACC 1919 01:32:43.119 --> 01:32:47.079 for every sport except hockey. Because the ACC doesn't play hockey. 1920 01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:50.000 Notre Dame actually plays in the Big Ten, believe it 1921 01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:53.000 or not, hockey conference. They're in the ACC for every 1922 01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:57.760 other sport and they play between four and five ACC 1923 01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:01.079 games a year. That also means that when the ACC 1924 01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:04.600 school plays at Notre Dame, that school has taken home 1925 01:33:04.600 --> 01:33:07.560 a pretty nice TV paycheck as a visiting team on 1926 01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:12.520 a national NBC telecast. So the one, or i should say, 1927 01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:15.560 the two elements that the independence means for Notre Dame, 1928 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:19.479 and it's only two, is the TV the home television 1929 01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:23.000 contract only the home games. And secondly, it's scheduling. It 1930 01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:26.479 enables Notre Dame to schedule probably half a dozen games 1931 01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:30.439 a year, including what they termed the Shamrocks Series, which 1932 01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:33.399 means it's a neutral site game, usually in a big 1933 01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:35.359 market in the country that has a lot of Notre 1934 01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:38.920 Dame alums, and Notre Dame schedule is one of those 1935 01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:44.520 every year. That's the extent of their independence. So my 1936 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:49.039 point to you is it's vastly overrated. I'm also my 1937 01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:52.800 second point would be, this was back in the late nineties, 1938 01:33:52.840 --> 01:33:56.479 probably Jim Delaney opened the door for Notre Dame to 1939 01:33:56.600 --> 01:34:02.439 join the Big Ten as the twelfth member within the 1940 01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:04.720 Notre Dame world. I thought it was a great idea. 1941 01:34:05.159 --> 01:34:07.399 I thought we belonged to the Big Ten for all 1942 01:34:07.439 --> 01:34:10.279 of our sports. Women's sports were just growing, we were 1943 01:34:10.439 --> 01:34:13.000 starting to develop Olympic sports, and to be in the 1944 01:34:13.039 --> 01:34:15.640 Big Ten just made a ton of sense. For all 1945 01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:22.159 the apparent reasons. The Notre Dame faculty largely wanted that association. 1946 01:34:22.760 --> 01:34:25.760 Most of the Big Ten schools, not the new Big Ten, 1947 01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:28.479 but the original Big Ten schools. Most of them are 1948 01:34:28.520 --> 01:34:33.319 excellent academic schools. They're large state universities with good library systems, 1949 01:34:33.319 --> 01:34:37.079 with good research programs, with medical schools, and Notre Dame's 1950 01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:41.039 faculty wanted that association. At the end of the day, 1951 01:34:42.239 --> 01:34:45.319 football independence won out, and that's how powerful it is 1952 01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:47.439 in the Notre Ame world. That was the only reason 1953 01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:52.520 Notre Dame turned down the Big Ten membership. That has 1954 01:34:53.079 --> 01:34:55.920 never come back, although I suspect it will someday because 1955 01:34:56.760 --> 01:35:01.119 I think it's known the Big Ten has clauses in 1956 01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:04.760 their TV deals that would reflect adding Notre Dame that 1957 01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:07.079 would have a lot more money. So I'm assuming that 1958 01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:10.680 somewhere down the line that opening will come up again 1959 01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:12.319 for Notre Dame. I don't know how long it'll take, 1960 01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:18.119 but I hope that Notre Dame join. Well, the Big 1961 01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:21.560 Ten isn't the Big Ten anymore, so I have to 1962 01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:23.960 revise that thought. But I've always thought the Big Ten, 1963 01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:25.760 the core Big ten, was a great place for Notre 1964 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:26.199 Dame to be. 1965 01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:27.720 Well, excuse me. 1966 01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:29.920 We could talk about what the Big ten is right now, 1967 01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:32.680 but we would probably have to recalibrate not too long 1968 01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:35.840 after because everything continues to change and ebb and flow, 1969 01:35:36.359 --> 01:35:39.199 Which allows me to transition into more of a macro 1970 01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:42.359 question because I keep using this line over the past 1971 01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:45.520 few weeks, ted where I've just leaned into from a 1972 01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:51.359 sports radio approach, diagnosing and not prognosticating, because we're all 1973 01:35:51.439 --> 01:35:54.000 learning this as we go. It's a new format, it's 1974 01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:57.239 a new sports as far as your ability to talent 1975 01:35:57.319 --> 01:36:00.560 off the field with a transfer portal and the and 1976 01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:03.159 the nil situation, And of course it's a twelve team 1977 01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:06.000 expanded CFP, and all the conferences look much different than 1978 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:08.439 they did a year ago. Most of them do, as 1979 01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:13.920 far as you know, conferences adding teams several of the 1980 01:36:13.960 --> 01:36:15.800 teams that you and I are familiar with as the 1981 01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:18.359 Pac twelve crumbled. But since I haven't had a chance 1982 01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:20.760 to catch up with you for a while, how do 1983 01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:23.560 you feel about the current state of college football, the 1984 01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:24.920 sport that we all love to consume. 1985 01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:28.840 Wow, that's a wide open Palette there Spence, So you know, 1986 01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:34.159 I'll let me personalize this to my experience this football season. 1987 01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:37.039 So the Pac twelve still existed in the form of 1988 01:36:37.079 --> 01:36:40.479 two schools. As everyone knows, those two schools did a 1989 01:36:40.479 --> 01:36:43.159 television deal with the CW network, which is an over 1990 01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:46.880 the air network has an outlet and I think just 1991 01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:51.359 about every significant market in America. So the Washington State 1992 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:54.520 and Oregon State home games were aired all on the 1993 01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:58.079 CW this year. I was part of that package. The 1994 01:36:58.279 --> 01:37:00.760 season began with a lot of hope for Oregon State, 1995 01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:04.199 it quickly pivoted to Washington State, and I ended up 1996 01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:08.239 doing five Washington State games. So being around the Cougar 1997 01:37:08.319 --> 01:37:13.079 program a lot this year was the collision of where 1998 01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:16.199 I think college sports are right now. It was an 1999 01:37:16.239 --> 01:37:19.680 incredibly uplifting season for them. I am a huge fan 2000 01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:21.840 of their head coach. I think Jake Dickard is terrific 2001 01:37:23.279 --> 01:37:25.560 and he's meant to be a coach and he's only 2002 01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:30.520 forty one years old. The quarterback story having cam Ward 2003 01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:33.720 had this huge build up in the twenty three season 2004 01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:36.760 and then basically fall flat and the Cougar's collapsed at 2005 01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:39.920 the end of the year. Cam Ward collapsed and then 2006 01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:42.000 he ended up getting a million plus to go to Miami, 2007 01:37:42.159 --> 01:37:44.720 which you saw what happened this year. So what's Washington 2008 01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:46.239 stay going to do a quarterback? Well, they had a 2009 01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:49.039 kid from Texas who was under recruited. He had been 2010 01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:50.800 there for a couple of years and it's his turn. 2011 01:37:51.239 --> 01:37:55.279 And John Matteer made himself into a player that I 2012 01:37:55.439 --> 01:37:57.640 actually put on my Heisman ballot this year, that's how 2013 01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:01.680 good he was. The team sat, their defense was not good, 2014 01:38:02.319 --> 01:38:04.520 and they collapsed in the last three games and took 2015 01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:06.239 themselves out of you know, they were on the fringe 2016 01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:09.159 of the playoff conversation and would say no more than that, 2017 01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:12.520 but just being there was a miracle, and sadly they 2018 01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:15.680 fell out the last three games. What happens, John Mattier 2019 01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:20.399 goes to Oklahoma. Rumors are three million offensive coordinator goes 2020 01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:24.520 to Oklahoma. And then Jake Dicker turns around and and 2021 01:38:24.560 --> 01:38:26.720 I would have even stunned me, takes the job at 2022 01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:30.880 Wake Forest. So this incredibly wonderful, uplifting story for the 2023 01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:32.960 school that got left behind, the school that's got in 2024 01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:37.520 the prairies, you know, doesn't have wealthy roles of alums. 2025 01:38:37.600 --> 01:38:40.800 You know, a lot of individuals who succeeded in farming 2026 01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:44.279 an bag and business, but they chip in to a 2027 01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:47.800 collective and they have this wonderful season, and the program 2028 01:38:48.159 --> 01:38:51.279 survives the first year of this anarchy, and then suddenly 2029 01:38:51.319 --> 01:38:55.319 it collapses within a couple of days. So I'm uplifted, 2030 01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:58.920 and then I'm really dismayed because that's the point, and 2031 01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:02.760 it's very obvious for everyone to see, is that the 2032 01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:05.439 Washington States right now and the Oregon States and other 2033 01:39:05.479 --> 01:39:08.960 programs around the country are just farm teams. And until 2034 01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:12.720 there's some order in all of this, and no one 2035 01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:15.560 knows how that's going to happen, but until there is, 2036 01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:19.000 this is this is the case. So to your question 2037 01:39:19.079 --> 01:39:24.159 that I hope that explains this internal collision I've experienced. 2038 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:26.840 I'm so happy to be part of that Washington State 2039 01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:29.079 football season. And then at the end, you go, man, 2040 01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:31.319 that's just a drag that really stinks. 2041 01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:35.359 Yeah, from that vantage point for sure, And there's nothing 2042 01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:38.439 really to debate there because you're not wrong, and you know, 2043 01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:42.119 from a local standpoint, Ted, it's interesting to see where 2044 01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:45.279 Utah football finds themselves because, as you know, covering the 2045 01:39:45.279 --> 01:39:48.960 program as part of the Paxweld Network. Coach Witt has 2046 01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:53.720 built Utah football on the ethos of recruit and develop. 2047 01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:57.239 That's how they do it. And they don't necessarily rely 2048 01:39:57.359 --> 01:40:00.720 on number of four and five star guys. Go find 2049 01:40:01.039 --> 01:40:03.920 Utah guys and then they bring them on campus and 2050 01:40:03.960 --> 01:40:07.119 over the course of a number of years they basically 2051 01:40:07.279 --> 01:40:10.560 indoctrinate them into the Kyle Whittingham way. His saying is, 2052 01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:13.199 we will not become you, you will become us. In 2053 01:40:13.239 --> 01:40:16.880 the most successful seasons in Utah football history have been 2054 01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:20.159 with third, fourth, fifth year players that sign on the 2055 01:40:20.199 --> 01:40:24.239 dotted line, often overlooked from other schools, came in and 2056 01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:27.079 learned the Kyle way, put in the work, and you know, 2057 01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:29.600 at times it paid off with conference championships and Rose 2058 01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:33.159 Bowl appearances. Can you build a football program in the 2059 01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:35.439 modern day and age of college football with the ethos 2060 01:40:35.479 --> 01:40:37.560 of recruit and develop over time anymore? 2061 01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:40.800 Yeah? 2062 01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:41.079 Hard? 2063 01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:44.640 I mean, my initial answer is that Spence is really hard. 2064 01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:51.800 I hope somebody does it. You know, it's I'm trying 2065 01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:54.119 to think of an example right now. I mean, it's 2066 01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:57.399 it's it's I mean, we're sitting here waiting tomorrow night 2067 01:40:57.479 --> 01:41:00.720 to watch Texas play and here's Texas having its best 2068 01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:03.920 football season in a long time, and everyone's talking about 2069 01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:06.920 should the quarterback come back to Texas next year or 2070 01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:09.680 should he get a huge nil deal to go to 2071 01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:12.560 another school which would likely pay more than he would 2072 01:41:12.560 --> 01:41:15.079 make in his first NFL season. I mean, that's what 2073 01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:18.880 that that. I'm sorry, that's just lunacy when you think 2074 01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:21.600 of what that means. But it is where the world is, 2075 01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:26.399 and so I would Sugg. I would take this. Maybe 2076 01:41:26.439 --> 01:41:28.720 if I can spend a background on that question, Spence, 2077 01:41:29.760 --> 01:41:34.199 here's my concern, having raised kids and now raising grandkids, 2078 01:41:34.760 --> 01:41:39.359 it's it's extremely wise to respect the fact that players 2079 01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:42.840 athletes now in the top college sports can earn there. 2080 01:41:43.079 --> 01:41:44.880 And I have no objection to that. I don't know 2081 01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:48.359 that any smart minded person has an objection to that. 2082 01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:53.640 The way it's done, maybe that's where we would start 2083 01:41:53.680 --> 01:41:57.119 to have some some difference of opinion. And what I 2084 01:41:57.239 --> 01:42:02.000 feel very strongly about is I fear that this generation, 2085 01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:06.119 represented by these eighteen to twenty five year olds and 2086 01:42:06.239 --> 01:42:08.600 damn near thirty year olds now in some cases playing 2087 01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:15.199 college athletics, are being are being raised, and are living 2088 01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:22.680 through an experience completely devoid of character, character, commitment when 2089 01:42:22.680 --> 01:42:24.880 a quarterback quits in the middle of the season. How 2090 01:42:24.880 --> 01:42:27.279 many times did we see that top level college football 2091 01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:30.479 this year where quarterback just quit the quarterback of a 2092 01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:35.319 football team. Is there any more leadership demanded position in 2093 01:42:35.399 --> 01:42:39.479 sport and quarterback and football? And you had several guys 2094 01:42:39.560 --> 01:42:41.800 just quit in the middle of the season on their team, 2095 01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:49.039 and you reference the Kyle phrase with the word US, 2096 01:42:49.439 --> 01:42:53.279 and I'm very fearful from what I see in football 2097 01:42:53.319 --> 01:42:57.640 and men's basketball, there's no US. It's me MEI me me. 2098 01:42:58.439 --> 01:43:02.439 And so the the concept of an athlete being able 2099 01:43:02.479 --> 01:43:05.439 to be compensated when everybody else around them is fine, 2100 01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:10.159 we get that. To do it without character is really 2101 01:43:10.199 --> 01:43:13.680 I mean, that's long term ramifications for us, way beyond sport. 2102 01:43:14.640 --> 01:43:16.560 Well said, we'll end with because I know you got 2103 01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:19.800 to go. We'll end with your thoughts on because the 2104 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:22.880 fact of the matter is, you know, we can belly 2105 01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:25.600 ache about the state of the sport and then you 2106 01:43:25.720 --> 01:43:27.800 just look at the ratings and the numbers, and people 2107 01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:30.399 are consuming it at a historic level. And it happens 2108 01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:33.199 to be a multi billion dollar business with a failed 2109 01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:39.079 business model, which makes it probably very appealing to folks 2110 01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:41.760 in the private equity world, and it does feel like 2111 01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:46.000 we are in this like neoliberal capitalism type takeover of 2112 01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:50.319 college athletes. On the horizon out it feels like very powerful, 2113 01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:53.520 rich people are going to start to buy potentially college 2114 01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:56.800 football programs. A lot of rumors already circulating. But that 2115 01:43:56.920 --> 01:44:00.880 thing is, you know, going to happen, and it is inevitable. 2116 01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:04.520 Is there part of you that is hopeful that at 2117 01:44:04.520 --> 01:44:07.800 some point the business model of college football can be 2118 01:44:07.880 --> 01:44:11.520 fixed to the level where most of the problems that 2119 01:44:11.560 --> 01:44:13.760 are plaguing the sport can go away and we can 2120 01:44:13.800 --> 01:44:17.760 all kind of sit and enjoy whatever the final paradigm 2121 01:44:17.800 --> 01:44:18.720 shift is with this sport. 2122 01:44:18.760 --> 01:44:22.800 Whenever that happens, Yes, Ben, I think I think the 2123 01:44:22.840 --> 01:44:24.880 business model is in place. I don't think it will change. 2124 01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:26.560 I mean unless somebody else gets a case of the 2125 01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:30.119 Supreme Court and the Supreme Court has another, you know, 2126 01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:33.720 Judge Kavanaugh life decision that reverses things. I think We're 2127 01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:38.399 way gone. It's professional nothing. There's nothing college about the 2128 01:44:38.439 --> 01:44:41.720 top anymore. It's professional. So now, to me, the question 2129 01:44:41.840 --> 01:44:44.159 is how in the name of goodness do we get structured? 2130 01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:47.439 And I listen to smart people who believe now with 2131 01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:50.680 the results of the election, that there's a much better 2132 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:55.760 chance that Congress will get involved and help orchestrate some guardrails, 2133 01:44:55.840 --> 01:45:00.079 build some guard rails because the universities clearly are there 2134 01:45:00.119 --> 01:45:03.560 is no NCAA anymore, and the universities don't because they're 2135 01:45:03.560 --> 01:45:08.399 all involved in self interest. There's no collective concern to 2136 01:45:08.439 --> 01:45:14.800 build those guardrails. So I believe that that's the ultimate 2137 01:45:14.960 --> 01:45:19.520 answer here, is that the business models in place, but 2138 01:45:19.640 --> 01:45:21.880 let's make it so it's just like the pros, where 2139 01:45:22.119 --> 01:45:23.920 everybody can make money in the pros, but there's a 2140 01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:27.319 way you do it. There's a structure because and you say, 2141 01:45:27.319 --> 01:45:30.720 why do I have to have structure, because you sell tickets. 2142 01:45:31.399 --> 01:45:35.039 You're a competitive enterprise. And if we don't have competition, 2143 01:45:35.399 --> 01:45:38.239 then we have wrestling, which is performance. And that's fine. 2144 01:45:38.279 --> 01:45:40.159 If you want to call performance art, that's great. That's 2145 01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:42.840 what wrestling is. And wrestling no longer tries to hide it. 2146 01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:46.199 I think sport doesn't want that. And if you want 2147 01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:48.039 to make sure that we have a competitive enterprise, and 2148 01:45:48.119 --> 01:45:51.359 there has to be structure, which the NFL, of course 2149 01:45:51.399 --> 01:45:53.920 is the gold standard to make sure they're all thirty 2150 01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:57.239 two of their members every year have a chance. So 2151 01:45:58.520 --> 01:46:01.359 I strongly feel that where this thing has to happen. 2152 01:46:01.359 --> 01:46:03.359 And again I'm not smart enough to know, but here's 2153 01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:05.039 let me throw one other thing that you spent because 2154 01:46:05.039 --> 01:46:07.439 we haven't talked for a while, and I'll just finish 2155 01:46:07.479 --> 01:46:09.640 with this. And I thought a lot about this during 2156 01:46:09.640 --> 01:46:11.560 the year, my belief that we're going to have a 2157 01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:14.359 Super League and it could be anywhere forty to fifty 2158 01:46:14.399 --> 01:46:16.760 teams anymore, and I've started to realize I think we 2159 01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:22.119 already had it. And if you look at the SEC Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Florida, 2160 01:46:22.479 --> 01:46:30.159 now Texas, that's maybe very equivalent to the forty nine Ers, Bears, Giants, Cowboys, 2161 01:46:30.199 --> 01:46:33.640 Eagles of the NFC. The SEC's owned by a network, 2162 01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:38.439 ESPN owns them, the NFC is owned by a network Fox. 2163 01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:40.880 Then you look at the Big ten and wait a second. 2164 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:45.159 We have Michigan, Ohio, State, Penn State, USD, now Oregon 2165 01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:47.760 is pushing its way into trying to be that national brand. 2166 01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:51.239 And you can say, well, that's kind of like having 2167 01:46:51.239 --> 01:46:53.920 the Steelers and the Patriots and the Raiders and the 2168 01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:57.119 Broncos and the Chiefs and the ASC is owned by 2169 01:46:57.119 --> 01:47:02.239 a network CBS and Fox, owns the Big Ten? They 2170 01:47:02.279 --> 01:47:07.800 own it. Okay, what's to stop the ESPN and Fox 2171 01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:10.920 and their respective conferences that they owned from just saying, listen, 2172 01:47:11.319 --> 01:47:12.880 each of our leagues, we're just going to play off 2173 01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:15.000 and have a champ. We'll have our Big Ten champ 2174 01:47:15.079 --> 01:47:16.600 and our SEC champ and then we're just going to 2175 01:47:16.640 --> 01:47:19.199 play a super Bowl. The heck with his twelve teams? 2176 01:47:19.199 --> 01:47:21.800 Why are we sharing with Boise State and Notre Dame 2177 01:47:22.239 --> 01:47:25.840 and Pence Pens in the Big Ten? But Arizona State, 2178 01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:28.079 why are we sharing with them? We'll just do our 2179 01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:30.520 own super bowl, college Bowl, whatever you want to call it. 2180 01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:35.279 I think that's maybe a more realistic end game, and 2181 01:47:35.439 --> 01:47:39.239 that would achieve the breakaway of the schools that are 2182 01:47:39.359 --> 01:47:42.439 already professional, and it would leave the Florida States and 2183 01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:46.479 the Clemson's and the Notre Dames, and you probably a 2184 01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:48.119 couple of other schools that want to think they're in 2185 01:47:48.239 --> 01:47:51.319 that category just get Oh wait a second, what about us? 2186 01:47:51.399 --> 01:47:52.239 Can't leave us behind? 2187 01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:53.920 Yeah? 2188 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:55.479 You know, Ted, when we have more time, you and 2189 01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:57.520 I are just going to fix college football in the world, 2190 01:47:57.640 --> 01:48:00.199 my friends, But I know you have to run. It's 2191 01:48:00.199 --> 01:48:03.239 always a pleasure, I hope you're well, and anytime you 2192 01:48:03.399 --> 01:48:04.920 have time, you know, we have time for you here. 2193 01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:07.319 Okay, No, and it goes the. 2194 01:48:07.319 --> 01:48:10.760 Same way, Spenson. I'll enjoy talking to you and say 2195 01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:14.000 hi everybody. I missed coming to see live. I saw 2196 01:48:14.079 --> 01:48:16.119 Colin in the spring Mills, I missed football Visuer, and 2197 01:48:16.159 --> 01:48:18.800 I miss seeing Craig and basketball. So hopefully I'll get 2198 01:48:18.880 --> 01:48:19.199 back soon. 2199 01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:21.720 For sure, we'll be pulling for the Irish tonight. 2200 01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:24.279 Okay, all right, good, thanks, all right? 2201 01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:28.560 Great Ted Robinson Notre dame alum. He is a broadcasting legend. 2202 01:48:28.680 --> 01:48:33.439 He has done everything Olympics, golf, tennis, basketball, football. Was 2203 01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:35.880 the first voice hired by the Pac twelve and obviously 2204 01:48:36.199 --> 01:48:40.880 you know PAC twelve didn't last sadly, all right, final 2205 01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:45.119 segment of the program this Thursday afternoon. Coming up next 2206 01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:48.800 it is the Craig Smith Coaches Show, Bill Riley Craig 2207 01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:53.119 Smith live at Slackwater and saw Lake City. The Utes 2208 01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:56.319 basketball team on the men's side, they've lost four straight games, 2209 01:48:56.399 --> 01:49:00.319 they have been run off the floor, and they're first 2210 01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:03.119 three Big twelve games. But they do welcome in Oklahoma 2211 01:49:03.199 --> 01:49:08.000 State coming up on Saturday. And certainly on paper, this 2212 01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:11.520 appears to be Utah's best chance to get their first 2213 01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:15.439 Big twelve win. As we've talked about this week, if 2214 01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:19.079 you have time and the ability and the budget, you 2215 01:49:19.159 --> 01:49:22.560 should head and support this basketball team. They could certainly 2216 01:49:22.680 --> 01:49:27.439 use it. Oklahoma State, after getting really housed over their 2217 01:49:27.479 --> 01:49:29.520 first couple of Big twelve games, they did beat k 2218 01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:32.560 State at home a couple of nights ago, seventy nine 2219 01:49:32.600 --> 01:49:34.319 to sixty six. So we'll see what Craig has to 2220 01:49:34.359 --> 01:49:37.079 say about the current state of the team. You tell women. 2221 01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:39.840 Surprisingly enough, they got smoked pretty good by k State, 2222 01:49:39.960 --> 01:49:42.119 and they're gonna take on a good Houston team coming 2223 01:49:42.199 --> 01:49:45.720 up on Saturday as well. All right, Porter, here's where 2224 01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:50.680 I'm at. Notre Dame twenty four Penn State twenty ooh. 2225 01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:52.920 I'm taking the fighting Irish. I think it's a low 2226 01:49:53.079 --> 01:49:56.720 ish scoring game that hits about where the over under is. 2227 01:49:56.760 --> 01:50:00.800 So I'm taking Notre Dame twenty four Penn State. What's 2228 01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:02.000 your head tell you about this game? 2229 01:50:02.279 --> 01:50:04.439 Yeah, I'm I mean, I'm close there with you. I 2230 01:50:04.479 --> 01:50:06.319 think it's gonna be a one possession game. I think 2231 01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:09.720 this is one of the better matchups, maybe just stylistically, 2232 01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:12.520 that we've seen in the college football playoff, and I 2233 01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:16.720 think it'll be an entertaining game. I've gone back and forth. Obviously, 2234 01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:19.359 the line has too, so that kind of tells you 2235 01:50:19.479 --> 01:50:21.800 where we are at and where everyone thinks this game 2236 01:50:21.960 --> 01:50:25.920 is at. There's a lot of players on that Penn 2237 01:50:25.960 --> 01:50:28.800 State roster that are still there from when I covered 2238 01:50:28.840 --> 01:50:31.680 them at the Rose Bowl, right, and I just have 2239 01:50:31.840 --> 01:50:35.399 this feeling that they are It's a long time coming 2240 01:50:35.479 --> 01:50:37.640 for those guys, right, and I think James Franklin has 2241 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:40.800 them dialed in and ready to go. I think they 2242 01:50:40.840 --> 01:50:43.880 are the better team by a small margin, but Notre 2243 01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:46.760 Dame's been playing better football. So I've really gone back 2244 01:50:46.800 --> 01:50:50.039 and forth on this one for the sake of the show. 2245 01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:53.600 Even though I'm wavering so hard, I'm going to do 2246 01:50:53.720 --> 01:50:55.600 the exact opposite, is you. I'm gonna say twenty four 2247 01:50:55.640 --> 01:50:57.439 to twenty for the Nitney Lions. 2248 01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:02.640 Loser has to audition for season of Yellowstone Deal already 2249 01:51:02.640 --> 01:51:03.560 you've already done that, though. 2250 01:51:04.960 --> 01:51:05.880 I think they're done right. 2251 01:51:06.680 --> 01:51:11.439 Well, I think they're giving the daughter spinoffs now, yeah, 2252 01:51:11.439 --> 01:51:13.439 I think they're doing them some spinoffs because the daughter 2253 01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:17.079 married like the big rancher dude I forget his name 2254 01:51:18.399 --> 01:51:22.720 and rip, Yes, yes, and I think they're getting their 2255 01:51:22.760 --> 01:51:23.199 own show. 2256 01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:25.720 Okay, I believe good for them. I'm gonna look that 2257 01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:26.359 up real quick. 2258 01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:31.399 Yeah. So Beth Dutton Kevin Costner's daughter, John Dutton's daughter 2259 01:51:31.479 --> 01:51:35.000 who likes vodka and ice cream for breakfast and cigarettes. 2260 01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:35.680 It's a real thing. 2261 01:51:36.399 --> 01:51:39.399 Married Rip Wheeler played by Cole Hauser, who, by the way, 2262 01:51:39.479 --> 01:51:43.800 is a phenomenal actor. He's a really good actor. Hilarity ensues, 2263 01:51:43.920 --> 01:51:47.279 drama ensues. She's quite a handful. He's a cool character. 2264 01:51:47.399 --> 01:51:50.119 And I believe they're getting their own show. So the 2265 01:51:50.199 --> 01:51:52.319 loser has to look into it and then go audition 2266 01:51:52.479 --> 01:51:52.960 for that show. 2267 01:51:53.800 --> 01:51:54.640 I wish them well. 2268 01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:56.159 I look good in a cowboy hat man. 2269 01:51:56.600 --> 01:51:57.520 I haven't seen that yet. 2270 01:51:57.920 --> 01:52:01.800 I can cosplay a cowboys. I've ridden a horse before. Really, 2271 01:52:02.119 --> 01:52:04.159 Oh yeah, I've never been bucked off one like you, 2272 01:52:04.359 --> 01:52:05.720 but I've I've ridden. 2273 01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:08.439 Sounds fun. We should We should get out there. 2274 01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:10.439 I know how to get it to trot there we go, 2275 01:52:10.680 --> 01:52:15.079 just kick it the spur, all right, All right, porter, 2276 01:52:15.239 --> 01:52:16.800 let's get out of here. We got a Friday show 2277 01:52:16.920 --> 01:52:19.079 coming up on the other side though, it's the Craig 2278 01:52:19.159 --> 01:52:20.000 Smith Coaches Show. 2279 01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:21.039 Then we're gonna throw it over. 2280 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:24.399 To Penn State and No Tre Dame with Dave Passion, 2281 01:52:24.520 --> 01:52:26.640 Roddy Jones, how are we getting in our listeners? Weekend 2282 01:52:26.760 --> 01:52:27.720 started out the right way. 2283 01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:30.640 Tomorrow Yogi rob On a Friday, of course, talking some 2284 01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:34.880 college football, some CFP. We'll do some MBA with our 2285 01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:37.439 friend Howard Beck, as we do each and every Friday. 2286 01:52:37.479 --> 01:52:39.479 We'll double it up on the college football side. Max 2287 01:52:39.560 --> 01:52:42.600 Chadwick of Pro Football Focus in the PFF College Football 2288 01:52:42.680 --> 01:52:46.880 Show stops by the program and on apparently sentencing day, 2289 01:52:47.439 --> 01:52:50.920 JL Covan and the former and next President of the 2290 01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:51.479 United States. 2291 01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:54.079 Okay, very nice. If you don't know jol shtick, he 2292 01:52:54.279 --> 01:52:56.840 is a jazz fan who is a lawyer and a 2293 01:52:56.920 --> 01:52:59.680 stand up comic from Jersey and I have him on 2294 01:52:59.720 --> 01:53:01.479 a cup of times a year to talk about the 2295 01:53:01.600 --> 01:53:05.279 Utah jazz in his Donald Trump voice. It is very funny. 2296 01:53:05.359 --> 01:53:08.000 Don't get offended. It's called comedy. That'll be a good 2297 01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:09.119 Friday show and we'll say goodnight. 2298 01:53:09.159 --> 01:53:09.560 It special. 2299 01:53:09.600 --> 01:53:12.279 Thank you to Tony Jones, Craig Bowler, Jack Gordon Monson, 2300 01:53:12.319 --> 01:53:15.479 and Ted Robinson Brady of the sound. You may have 2301 01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:18.199 missed from the show today, head to the website it's 2302 01:53:18.600 --> 01:53:22.319 ESPN seven hundred sports dot Com. Download our mobile app, 2303 01:53:22.359 --> 01:53:24.720 take us on the GOP's ESPN seven hundred app that's 2304 01:53:24.720 --> 01:53:27.039 available in the App Store of the Google play Store. Then, finally, 2305 01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:29.479 for what we do in our space four hours every day, 2306 01:53:30.199 --> 01:53:32.439 check out our podcast page. It's called The Drive with Spence. 2307 01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:36.399 Check it's available wherever you get your shows. Reporter, I'm 2308 01:53:36.399 --> 01:53:38.399 Spence Sagadnight you've been tuned in to the Drive on 2309 01:53:38.720 --> 01:53:41.199 ESPN seven hundred ninety two one FM. Proud to be 2310 01:53:41.279 --> 01:53:44.119 a part of utah's ESPN Radio network.