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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway and David Harsani. How are you, Molly,

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I'm doing great.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty well. We're on the road this week.

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Speaker 2: I know, we're in Utah at a Federalist summit and

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we are in Deer Valley, a place I have never

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been before.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's gorgeous here. It is really beautiful, I would

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like to point out.

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Speaker 2: So it's like eight thousand feet and in my mind

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it was zero feet. So I've been walking around but

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also a little bit out of breath. But then it

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made me feel a little bit better that we're above

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eight thousand feet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Altitude sickness is a real thing. Okay, So what

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are we going to talk about today? Let's start with

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the Elon Musk Donald Trump interview, which is it's kind

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of a very unique I don't think anything like it

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has ever been done, right, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's so interesting to think about how the

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media have a role in our elections, and in presidential

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elections in particular, and how that role has so frequently

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been a candidate will sit down with the editorial board

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of a newspaper, or they will host debates at major

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media outlets, or there will be interviews, sit down interviews

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with one reporter or an anchor and the presidential candidate.

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And we're in such an interesting media environment in that

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so many people don't trust corporate media to do anything correctly. Also,

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corporate media are completely in bed with the Kamala Harris campaign.

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And then you have this other situation where you have

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Elon Musk, who's like an oligarch but not like most

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of the other oligarchs and has said he is voting

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for Donald Trump, invites Donald Trump on to Twitter for

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a wide ranging two hour interview, which seems kind of normal.

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I mean, there have been podcast interviews of both Republican

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and Democrat candidates in recent years, but for some reason,

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everybody lost their mind that Elon was doing this.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, on a practical level, what

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interests me about podcasts is that it is just a natural,

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organic conversation that you can have with someone right like

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we do. And that's what I like about podcasts. And

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I think quite often things that maybe a reporter doesn't

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think would be interesting to an audience comes up in

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that kind of conversation that is much more compelling, right

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than the normal goofy question that the media wants to

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ask about climate change or whatever topic people don't really

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care that much about.

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Speaker 2: Right. So podcasting has become this huge thing, and it's weird,

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you know, because we're on one right now to even

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talk about. But in large part it is is that

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wide ranging interview where you aren't constrained by time limits,

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where you can go off on tangents. And so I

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have yet to watch this two hour listen to this

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two hour interview between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, But

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all of the media coverage was like they're rambling, Well,

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welcome to podcasting. Like you listen to a three hour

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Joe Rogan interview and it's not all thirty second sound bites.

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I mean sometimes it's really long stories that go in

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all sorts of different directions. And yes, exactly, that's what

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people like about the form. You get a more authentic,

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get a more authentic experience with the person who's being interviewed.

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Speaker 1: So what I didn't actually see all the reaction, what

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was it? Was it just the rambling or did they

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I know that they had problems that it was happening

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at all, basically because in essence, they're circumventing the media

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with this. But like, what were some of the most

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ridiculous things you saw?

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Speaker 2: I would like to look it up on Twitter? Okay,

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So Elon Musk tweeted out a collection of headlines, and

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it was just every single corporate media outlet being really

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upset that Elon interviewed Trump, and they, you know, they

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focused on anything negative that happened. For instance, I saw

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Elon said that between the interview of Trump and other

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I think audio conversations that were hosted on Twitter, it

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was like a billion plus views on Twitter, which is amazing.

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So it was it was highly watched or listened to

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and so but that also meant that the site crashed

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or it's possible. I think Elon Musk said there was

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a denial of service attack on Twitter right when it started.

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There were a lot of people in corporate media who

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were upset about it happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw glitchy.

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Speaker 2: Use the word glitchy, right, And so there was like

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a forty five minute delay before the interview takes place.

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A Washington Post so called reporter is asking Kareem John

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Pierre at a press conference, if there's anything that can

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be done by the Biden White House to shut this down,

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shut down this interview. And he predicted that there would

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be misinformation in the interview and that therefore the White

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House should do something to protect America.

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Speaker 1: They don't want their candidates interviewed, and they don't want

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the opposing candidates interviewed, so no interviews.

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Speaker 2: They want to completely control what everybody thinks about it.

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But just as an account does that quote unquote reporter

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look at himself in the mirror when he's begging the

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White House to please violate people's First Amendment rights, not

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just to speak, but to listen.

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Speaker 1: I have to say that's a relatively new thing in

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the press, where even in the old days where you

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had biased leftist press, they were pro First Amendment. They

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believe that people should have a say, and now most

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of them are many of them are just champions of censorship.

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It is insane to think that that's true.

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Speaker 2: So at this conference, someone is here from Oregon and

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she was reading this headline from a TV outlet in

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Central Oregon that said something about Elon Musk is using

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his platform to spread his right wing views, and it's

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really funny because Elon Musk is not right wing at all.

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I mean, there's the issue of, oh god forbid that

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Elon Musk share his views. We'll let the Washington Post

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and The Atlantic and New York Times, like they can

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all post their views, but Elon Musk can't. But more

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than that, he's not conservative, like he is voting for Trump.

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But what makes him conservative supposedly is that he supports

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the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

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Speaker 1: The difference is he allows people he disagrees with to

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actually be on his platform and speed yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: He was like, I will interview Kamala as well, but

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she is not going to be interviewed.

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Speaker 1: I hate to say it. I'm sure you've seen the

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polls where people on the left, but some people on

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the right believe that misinformation and hate speech should not

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be protected. I just saw a new one, especially among

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young people. It's a very dangerous trend, and not just

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among journalists. So that's very concerning.

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Speaker 2: I was talking with a high level member of Congress

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who cares about the First Amendment and has done work

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in defense of the First Amendment, and this person was

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saying that when they speak with other high level Republican

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elected officials. Those people express concern about what are we

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going to do about misinformation and disinformation?

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Speaker 1: Should we talk about Europe right now and the EU?

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So there's a lot there are a lot of stories

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coming out of Great Britain, Scotland and England as well

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where the cops are showing up. First of all, the

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cops warn you on Twitter like think before you tweet,

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you know, and show up at your door if you

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said something allegedly hateful. I don't actually even know what

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these people are saying. It doesn't matter and arrest you.

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Now it's Orwellian. But I just want to say, having

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written a book about Europe, this has been happening for

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years in other countries. Countries in Germany for a while

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they had a law that you were not allowed to

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mock foreign leaders in Germany online. They would come to

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your house, they would arrest you. I fear, And that's

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what my book was about, that that kind of thinking

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is coming here, and thinking manifests in legislation and a

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change in how things are. So we have a constitution,

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but it's not going to matter if the people don't

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value it. What was your take when you saw all

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this going on.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I thought you were going to talk about the

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EU guy who took a shot at Elon Musk over

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the interview. I mean, he writes this whole letter about

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how dangerous it is that Elon Musk is doing an

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interview of a major political party's presidential candidate. I was

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shocked to see it. It's so stupid in so many ways. One,

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should Donald Trump win election, you're going to have to

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work with him, and you've just tried to silence him

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from being able to be on any platform. But also,

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what in the world is Europe or the EU doing

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telling us how to run our elections or what we

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can talk about We well, but again, think about how

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the whole Russia collusion hoax is because Facebook supposedly allowed

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Russia to buy one hundred thousand dollars in ads and

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everything had to be turned over to deal with this

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horrible thing that Russians bought ads to disrupt our election,

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even though they were totally janky ads that were partly

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for Hillary Clinton and partly for Donald Trump. But the

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head of the EU is threatening a social media company

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for hosting a hosting an interview like that is so

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much worse. Election interference than anything that they talked about

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in the Russia collusion hoax.

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Speaker 1: This is why I fear and I understand the inclination

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of a lot of conservatives to say, we have to

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get more involved here and tell people what to do.

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But the kind of control the EU has over social

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media over there is very dangerous. So if the wrong

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people are in charge, they can really manipulate it even

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more than they do now, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, but there are things people can do. Maybe

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the Foreign Affairs Committee in Congress should have fired off

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a letter before the close of business yesterday threatening sanctions

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or something.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my view is that we need to get

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government completely out of that business. We can't have social

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media companies spying on us, because we have a right

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not to be spied on. We can have rent seeking,

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we can have them colluding to undermine people. And that's

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what's happening now, and it's I think one of the most,

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if not the most dangerous effort to censor Americans as

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ever existed in this country. I mean, I was reading

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about World War One recently, and it was really bad

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during those years, but I think this is even more comprehensive.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was so quaint compared to what we're going

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through now it's different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was easier to control the mail,

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for instance, and it is to control the Internet in

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a way. Right, We still can speak to each other,

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we still get we still have somewhat of a voice.

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In those days, they literally threw people in jail who

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were just without any due process, who just suspected of

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being anti war essentially.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, but in fact, it is easier to surreptitiously

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male things than it is to post something on a

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social media platform where algorithms can detect it the moment

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's bad. Yeah, So that now can we

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talk about the EU arrest authorities arresting people. Do you

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think that that's going to happen here? Is it possible?

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Will it happen here? As they say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm certainly worried about it. I remember a few

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years ago, there would be these people who would poll

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college students and they discovered that these college students didn't

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really care about the First Amendment, and they would and so,

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you know, the people would post the poll results and say,

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this is a very bad sign about the future of

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the country. There doesn't seem to be a strong culture

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of free speech. And then you'd have all these people

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who would pooh pooh the results, and they would say, oh,

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you know, college historically is a time when people experiment

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with leftism and then they mature once they get out

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in the real world, and so don't overstate how bad

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this is. And those people were completely and utterly wrong.

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Speaker 1: We do not understating the problem.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we do not have a culture that supports speech

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even just it used to be so American. You know,

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when I was a kid, we used to say it's

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a free country. So you'd see someone doing something you

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didn't like, or they would say something you didn't like,

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and your parents would say, it's a free country. Right, Yeah,

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nobody says that anymore. Now they're like, what can we

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do to constrain this person's right to speak this way?

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Or you have Tim Walls Walts Walls saying there's no

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right to speak misinformation.

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Speaker 1: I love that you don't. You care so little about him,

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you don't know how to dispense his listening. Yeah, he

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literally said that misinformation or disinformation whatever was not protected

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Speaker 2: I hear this all the time, particularly around elections. I

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think he said.

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Speaker 1: That's when we need more free speech than.

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Speaker 2: Ever, right, and also determined by whom what's misinformation? For instance,

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an example of misinformation. Tim Walls said that he had

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retired at a higher rank than he retired and he

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did it for ten, fifteen years, twenty years. He overstated

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the rank he had obtained, and it's like so much

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worse than that sounds, because he had been frocked into

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a higher rank and he was supposed to take his

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the unit he commanded into was it Afghanistan or a rock?

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I think it might have been a rock. And once

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he so, they realized that they were probably going to

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be shipped out in the fall of one year, and

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in the spring he retired. And he claimed, you know

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that he did it before they knew they were going. Well,

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everyone else in the unit knew where they were going,

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except for him apparently. But that's a great example of

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misinformation and disinformation. If Tim Walls is looking for something

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to prosecute there or to ban.

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Speaker 1: Should prosecute himself. Yeah, I mean, of course, it's always

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been the question who decides what misinformation is? Government should

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have no role in that. The whole point of the

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First Amendment is to restrict the government from intruding on

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your speech. But boy, he's such a liar. He's he

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is weird, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I saw Peach Keenan on Twitter saying that she has

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Tim Walls derangement syndrome, and I totally have that. Like,

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there's something about him that enrages me. And his he

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seems sort of bully like and he's a liar and

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a fraud, and he really makes me man.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to talk about class a lot or

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class differentiation, but I hate more than that as people

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pretend to be something they're not, you know. And he

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is like this fraud who pretends he's from Middle America,

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but he's you know, who lied about his service. And

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by the way, he didn't just lie about his rank,

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he lied in overt and in other ways about being

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think he knew what he was doing, so

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he strongly misled people like he intentionally misled people. He'd

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say one sentence about his actual twenty four years in

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the National Guard, and then you can say another sentence

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about being in war, and he would say I didn't

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technically say I was war, except for one time he did.

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He said we should restrict people's Second Amendment freedoms because

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nobody should be able to carry the weapons that I

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carried in war.

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Speaker 1: Well, did you see there was that Bloomberg story where

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it said that he had served in Iraq and then

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the reporter switched it to say Italy after it came.

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Speaker 2: Out, and then very similar situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had written a story about walls in the

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Atlantic long time ago when he first ran for Congress,

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where there are a lot of those kind of sentences

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where you could read it both ways. But he said

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he went overseas to serve. You know, what do you

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think when someone says that, You don't think, oh, they

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went to Italy, You think they went to Afghanistan or Iraq.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So there are all these examples too of people

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introducing him and claiming that he retired at a higher

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rank than he had or that he had served in

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Iraq or Afghanistan, and Tim Walls just kind of silently nods,

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and I was I'm a tiny bit sympathetic to that

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in the sense that all the time people will introduce

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me with a false title or false you know.

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Speaker 1: Like someone says David Harsani best selling author, and then

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I'm like, hmm, should I say, actually, no, I'm not

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a best selling author. It's like a weird thing to.

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Speaker 2: Do, right, you are a best selling author? First?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, but go yeah.

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Speaker 2: But someone will say, you know, I'm editor in chief,

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but they'll call me senior editor, or they'll say I'm

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at Heritage when I've never been at Heritage at all.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our Federalist society, and it's always a question of

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like when do I correct them? But there are so

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many instances of this, and then also in his own

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campaign material, in his own speeches, by his own.

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Speaker 1: If someone said you served in Iraq and combat, I

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know I would say, actually I didn't. That's stolen valor

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right there.

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Speaker 2: So if we can just kind of roll it back

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to the rollout of Tim Walls I do. It reminds

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me so much of when the Democrats picked John Kerry

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to be their nominee and they were like, we have

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a brilliant plan to fight you know, the Republicans who

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are running this war on terror whatever, will nominate John

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Carry and nobody can criticize him because he's a he's

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a veteran.

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Speaker 1: Remember when he came out and he said reporting for

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duty during the DNC.

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Speaker 2: It was like they'd never spoken to a single member

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of the military about what people who actually served think

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of John Carrey. Like every member of my family hated

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him who had served, you know, like they hadn't remembered

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the Jane Fonda situation of Vietnam.

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Speaker 1: Deny throws Purple Heart away or pretended to.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's also the issue of that. He was like

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in country for twenty days and got four medals without

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really seeing much commat It was kind of a weird

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stort to see more about that from the swiftboat people.

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But so I think something very similar happens with the

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Tim Walls roll out there, like we have found the

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perfect guy. He served in the National Guard for twenty

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four years. He's from you know, he lived in man Cato.

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He appeals to rural voters. It's like they didn't vet anything.

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I didn't talk to any actual military people about what

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people who served in the military think of men who

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are commanding large numbers of troops and abandoned them before deployment.

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They didn't think about Looking at how Tim Walls has

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done when he's run for statewide office, which shows that

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he does very well in cities and very very poorly

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among rural voters. As in so many states, it sort

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of doesn't matter because I think.

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Speaker 1: Rural people are stupid and they're just like, whoa white

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dude from middle of America, you know what I mean?

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And they're not dumb or no dumber than other voters.

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By the way, did you see all the swift boating

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headlines like oh, Tim Walls is being swift voted, like

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the swift boat guys were lying or something. No, they

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were right, and they I think told a story that

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was very compelling about a person who was a fraud.

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So swift voting to me means something very different than

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I think they think it means to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, they were trying to disparage the thing. I

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do want to talk about how the role happened and

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the Trump campaign versus the Harris Walt's campaign. So as

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soon as Kamala Harris is announced as the replacement without

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a single vote being taken of Joe Biden, the media

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do this thing where they just immediately start running her campaign. Right,

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They're really excited to say that she is this wonderful person.

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And it seemed like the Trump campaign was caught flat footed.

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she would be the nominee, that they'd written in May

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like an internal document. And that's super interesting, except that

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it almost seemed like they were more interested in claiming

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they were ready for it than demonstrating that they were

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ready for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's import to define a candidate early.

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Like the whole weird thing. That's the whole point of that.

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To define him as weird, it's very hard to shake it.

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So I don't feel like they did that.

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Speaker 2: Wait, did I tell you my theory about the JD

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Vance weird thing?

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 2: So I saw some I put this out on Twitter

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and some left wing people picked up on it and

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they and it just makes me laugh because it was

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just kind of a random thought. JD Vance is so

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not weird that it's it's bizarre that they came up

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with this talking point. Right, he's like too normal. Being

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weird is almost helpful to him, right, it gives him

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more snag or somehow more interesting. So I had this

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idea that the Kamala Harris campaign had contracted with a

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focus group to come up with some kind of negative

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term to come to disparage jd Vans with. But they

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all got like drunk or they forgot to do their work,

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and so the morning that their assignment is due, the

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Harris campaign says, so you know, what'd you come up with?

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And they panic and they say, oh, we we focus

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grouped this thing that Jdvance is weird, and everyone it

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just it just works so well, So everybody should say

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it all at once, and that that's how it happened,

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because it's so bizarre that they would think that was

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an effective Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm not a huge fan, right,

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and I don't of JD.

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Speaker 2: Vans. You hadn't told me.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that I find him weird at all.

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I find him incredibly square. Is that the right word.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like it helps him to have

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some staggers.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's weird to be a normal guy who gets

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married and has kids and accomplishes things and hasn't been

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in politics their whole lives, you know.

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Speaker 2: Right, But when you're the campaign of people who believe in,

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you know, mutilating children or making them permanently infertile or sterile, like,

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that's weird to me.

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Speaker 1: Has anyone asked Walls about that Danny sin a bill

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that allowed for the mutilation of young children.

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Speaker 2: And worse, if a parent doesn't agree with it, the

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children can be taken away from the parent. That strikes

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me as weird as you'd say. Okay, So anyway, I

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thought the Trump campaign kind of flubbed the Kamala rollout.

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They were really quiet, They didn't define her right away.

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They let the media run their syhop, and you know,

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it's just kind of been not a great thing to watch.

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When Walls was announced, I got the feeling that all

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these people on social media, like normal people, were like,

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we're not going to leave this to the campaign to define.

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We're going to do it ourselves. And they did an

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amazing job. I would like to say, you know, I

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think we were a good effective part of this of

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going through his actual track record, his actual history, and

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just punching back fiercely right away on stolen valor and

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other issues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. So. It's amazing these rollouts that you mentioned,

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the Kamala rollouts. She literally has not sat down with

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anyone and answered a question about anything so far right.

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Not just that, but it made me think she was annoyed, coorinated,

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I don't know what you want to call it, but

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she has not had a vote selected exactly. She was pushed.

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She was pushed into that position. So the president Joe

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Biden is still president, was pushed out of that role.

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He hasn't answered a legitimate or genuine question about why

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that happened. She hasn't answered any questions about her positions.

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So I have never seen anything like this. It's never

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happened before. She has switched positions on major issue after

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major issue, with a press release or a comment, and

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the media just says this is her position now and now.

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If I say that she has the other position on

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the Green New Deal, they will fact check you. So

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I have never seen anything like this in my life.

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Speaker 2: I have seen something like it, and I think we

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can reference it. But before we talk about that, I

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do not accept that she has changed her position on anything,

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and there is no evidence to support the claim that

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she has changed her position on anything. On the one hand,

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you have her track record in California, her stated policy

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positions while in office in California, her actual actions taken

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while in office in California. You have her stated policy

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positions and voting record when she was a US Senator.

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You have her stated policy positions when she was running

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for president. And these things include that she did not

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want restrictions on illegal immigration to criminalize it. Yeah, and

482
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she wanted to make sure that anyone who came to

483
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the country illegally had complete and full welfare and health benefits.

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She supported the first version of the Green New Deal,

485
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which was the one that was so bad that I

486
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think AOC might not have supported it. She but we

487
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have this just on everything, whether it's guns, energy, her

488
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desire to ban fracking, banning meat, you know, all these things.

489
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You have her words on video, her policy papers, her votes,

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and then what you have to balance this out the

491
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claim is that she changed her position. You will go

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to a media outlet like Axios and they'll say we

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talked to a nameless person who claims to work on

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her campaign, and that person says she changed her mind.

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Speaker 1: No, the journal like, no, Yeah, the journalistic standard should

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be you can change your mind, obviously, but you have

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to explain to us why that happened. What was your

498
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thought process, Why did you first? Why were we for

499
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it at first? So why did you want to ban me?

500
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Explain that and tell me what changed your mind on

501
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all of these issues. Even I'm a nobody, if I

502
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change my position, I write a column to explain what

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happened or how my thinking has changed. I'm sure you

504
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do similar things, So why wouldn't the person who's going

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to run the country. And by the way, she didn't

506
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take these positions as a city council person. She took

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them running for the presidency of the United States a.

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Speaker 2: Few years ago. And then also she is currently the

509
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incumbent in the White House right now. There are two

510
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people in the White House, the president and the Vice president.

511
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She is one of them. They have an administration, they

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have their track record. So for instance, when she in

513
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the last few days she said she was going to

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build a wall or something, you know, She's like, I'm

515
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going to build a wall when I become president. Okay,

516
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,720
why have you let fifteen million illegals in under your watch?

517
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Speaker 1: No one asks her anything like that.

518
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Speaker 2: Did you get a kick out of her no tax

519
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on tips policy proposal?

520
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Why do we have a press? I was just thinking,

521
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:05,440
why do we have one? If they can't get an

522
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answer out of a campaign, a presidential campaign, on any

523
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major issue, what is the point of a press at all? Honestly,

524
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you have no answer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's the problem. Their job. They

526
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see their job as securing Republican defeat and securing Democrat victory,

527
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and so that redefines their entire role. If that means

528
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lambasting people for asking Donald Trump questions, they'll do it.

529
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If it means defending the press, not asking Kamala Harri's questions,

530
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they'll do it. They have no organizing principle other than

531
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electing Democrats.

532
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Speaker 1: I mean, a month ago or maybe a little more,

533
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if you called Joe Biden a husk of a human

534
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being who was dead eyed and didn't know what was

535
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,279
going on, you were a conspiracy theorist. They turned on

536
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that in a day, completely took up a new narrative,

537
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:54,839
pushed out the President of the United States from his

538
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position or his re election campaign, and then didn't bother

539
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to ask him why he can be president but not run,

540
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Not one time. I don't know. Maybe someone's asked him

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over the weekend, but I doubt it.

542
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Speaker 2: Do you do that thing? Like I keep on waking

543
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,599
up with these types of questions, like who's president? Where

544
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,759
is Joe Biden? What's going on? What happened with the

545
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:17,400
assassination attempt on Trump?

546
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Speaker 1: I mean I was just a here in Utah on

547
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a panel on journalism and it I thought about the

548
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old timey journalists on you when I started, and they

549
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were liberal, but if they could take someone down, they

550
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,839
would do it like they wanted to take powerful people

551
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,920
down that they wanted to ask tough questions, they wanted

552
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to catch people in lives and that is not the

553
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case anymore.

554
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Speaker 2: No, they still have that just for Republicans. So I

555
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thought this weekend was a good example of that. Well,

556
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what I wanted to say really quickly before we talk

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00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:49,200
about this weekend's Sunday shows. I think Kamala Harris is

558
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copying the Katie Hobbes campaign. This was an idea first

559
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,720
articulated by Chris Bray, who's a writer out of California,

560
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and he noted how Katie Hobbes, who ran for governor

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of Arizona against Katie Sorry, Carrie Lake, is that right?

562
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Like getting everything confused and just but that was for

563
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governor right two years ago. Yeah, so carry Lake was

564
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this like formidable force since she was out there. And

565
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Katie Hobbes, who was the Secretary of State when she

566
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was running for office, which is another thing entirely, she

567
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just did no debates, did nothing but protected press interviews,

568
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did not articulate policy positions, and then was carried to

569
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victory by the press. I think that's what Kamala Harris

570
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is trying to do. I think it will actually be

571
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far more difficult for Kamala Harris to do it after

572
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about two weeks from now or three weeks from now

573
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than it was for Katie Hobbs. But I do think

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that's what they're going to try to do.

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Speaker 1: It is incredible about Trump. Say what you will about him,

576
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but he will answer. He's always out there answering questions.

577
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Sometimes I think maybe he's out there a bit too much,

578
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:54,599
or answering questions he doesn't exactly know the answers to.

579
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But in general, he is willing to talk to almost anyone, right,

580
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And it is just a he doesn't get credit for

581
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that from the press. In the old days, you get

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credit for that. You get credit for agreeing to be

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interviewed by hostile reporters. Non.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So did you see jd Vance this weekend?

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Speaker 1: I saw highlights I did not watch.

586
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Speaker 2: Okay, So he goes on three different Sunday morning shows.

587
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It was a brilliant strategy just to do that, because

588
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it kind of highlights how Tim Walls and Kamala Harris

589
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are afraid to do any interviews of any kind with

590
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anyone other than the friendliest of friendly press, and even

591
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there they're having trouble. But he is this thing that's

592
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a little rare for Washington d C. Which is he

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actually knows his stuff, and he seemed prepared for all

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of these interviews. And my favorite thing to see were

595
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the different interviewers getting increasingly frustrated with JD. Vance for

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not bowing down to their gotcha questions. So these Sunday

597
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shows in particular are really good at getting weak Republicans

598
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on the air, and then they hammer them with that

599
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,480
have nothing to do with anything of interest to actual voters,

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and it's just this belligerent thing that beats them down.

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And jd. Vance was super calm, and I liked that.

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A lot of people they get really flustered when they're

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asked hot questions. He was super calm, and he just

604
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,519
kept rebuking and refuting all of the false claims from

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these people, and they would say, we're going to move

606
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on now, and it was my favorite. It was like

607
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,319
this admission of defeat. We're going to move on to

608
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the next topic. In other words, I've tried my best

609
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and you defeated me.

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Speaker 1: I noticed that when Democrats are interviewed and they lie,

611
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which would do quite often, no one's ever fact checking

612
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,039
them during the interview, saying no, actually this happened to that.

613
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,759
But I noticed with Republicans, it's constantly the case. It's

614
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a completely different experience to watch. Right. What I liked

615
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about what I saw with JD Vance's I think an

616
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,720
important thing to do is not accept premises of questions

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because they're misleading in premise. There you're begging the question

618
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quite often, you know, in the proper definition of begging

619
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the question. And he did not allow them. From what

620
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I saw to do.

621
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Speaker 2: Then, Okay, So on the panel that you just referenced,

622
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you and Mark Hemingway, we're talking about how Republicans should

623
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,240
totally go on corporate media and answer questions from hostile press.

624
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Speaker 1: I don't think I said it like that, but go on.

625
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: I think that's what I heard. I do agree that

626
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there are certain people who can and should do that,

627
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but I also think that that's what I said.

628
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Speaker 1: I said, some people are good at it and some

629
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,599
people aren't. The people are good at it should do

630
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it because I think actually the Trump, I think he

631
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,279
thrives when he's being attacked, you know, in an interview.

632
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Speaker 2: Agreed I would like to see a member of the

633
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Republican Party agreed to appear on Meet the Press and

634
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,799
instead of answering questions, just ask questions like what have

635
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,920
you done to make up for your Russia collusion hoax?

636
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:49,160
Why do you know you said this on this such

637
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,559
and such date about COVID that's clearly wrong. When did

638
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:54,720
you correct it? Why do you ask this type of

639
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:56,480
question and not this type of question. No, we're not

640
00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:57,799
moving on until we get an answer.

641
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Speaker 1: Right. Our colleague Sean Davis does that one people when

642
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,799
reporters approach him. Right. I've seen that other people do

643
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,039
that as well. I think it's smart because you're not dealing,

644
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,839
as I said on this panel, I don't think you're

645
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:10,640
dealing with media anymore. That's a misnomer. Now you're dealing

646
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,960
with the pr Department of the Democratic Party, so you

647
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,720
have to treat them as people. So I think that's fine.

648
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,880
I think also the reason I don't know is Walsts

649
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,720
giving interviews or I don't so people who are scared

650
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,119
to answer, people who don't actually have a belief system

651
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,720
are scared to do interviews. I'm not saying anyone wants

652
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:31,119
to interview with me, but I'd be fine with being

653
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interviewed by almost anyone because I am confident in what

654
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,920
I believe and I can just answer a question and

655
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,200
I think that JD. Vance, even though I disagree with

656
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,319
him on some stuff, is confident in what he believes

657
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:44,720
and feels prepared to answer a question. And that's something

658
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:46,319
that should be valued. But I'm not sure it is

659
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:47,759
by voters that much anymore.

660
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Speaker 2: Oh, I think it totally emboldens voters to see someone

661
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,039
take on me. Nobody hates the one thing everybody agrees on,

662
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:58,960
even some people on the left, they hate corporate media.

663
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So seeing someone do a really good job of taking

664
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:03,039
him on, I think it's a really good moment.

665
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Speaker 1: It's just I feel like people watch Sunday shows are

666
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:10,039
completely into it. I don't like JD. Vance's economic views

667
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:11,920
at all. I think they're left wing in many ways.

668
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,039
I don't like his industrial policy and trade policy positions,

669
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:22,480
you know, I think they're more ideological than Donald Trump's are. Actually,

670
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,800
I think Donald Trump's not very ideological. I think he

671
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,079
views policy through you know, his eyes, as common sense

672
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,760
or whatever. But I think JD. Vance has a much

673
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more serious and in my estimation that's not a good thing.

674
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But he has a much more serious view of economics.

675
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Supports a minimum wage, things that I think are just

676
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,000
progressive economics, and I don't want the Republican Party to

677
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,360
go in that direction. I want them to go in

678
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a different direction. So that's why I'm not.

679
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Speaker 2: David doesn't like that. Jd Vance wants to fight the

680
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hollowing out of the middle class through our economic and

681
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,039
trade policy. He has opposition to the middle class. Is

682
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that fair? Did I do it?

683
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Speaker 1: I think that's completely unfair, completely unfair characterization of my views.

684
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I think open and liberal trade policy helps the middle

685
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class and helps the working class. I think being able

686
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to go and into a store and buy something for

687
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:17,880
less money allows other industries to thrive, saves you money,

688
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,079
helps the working class. I think keeping dying businesses alive

689
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,159
is a bad idea. I think we've seen that over

690
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:25,440
and over again. I think it's a populist message message

691
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that works because even the you know, everyone's pro America

692
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,320
in that way, at least they think they are. Anyway,

693
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that's my problem with him. I still think he's a

694
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:36,920
far lesser evil than the other side. But you know,

695
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,800
if I had my way, I would have hoped that

696
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he would have picked someone else. NICKI Kahn. Not just joking.

697
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,920
I actually think Youngkin's a good guy to pick because

698
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I think that he is doing a good job. But

699
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I also think there's a comp he's competent, and I

700
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wish that we had more competent people in government, not

701
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,000
just people that tell us what we want to hear

702
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all the time. And I think he's you know, out

703
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of the people who were spoken about, I think he'd

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be a good one.

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Speaker 2: I just have to say, and I don't think this

706
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,480
is unfair that you have no problem with the complete

707
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:10,800
outsourcing of the manufacturing base of the country to other countries.

708
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You think that so long as you can buy cheap

709
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:18,199
products cheaply, it's worth it. And you also think that

710
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,559
all of the trade agreements that we've signed with people,

711
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:23,039
if they have the word free trade in it, that

712
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:25,599
that's kind of sufficient for calling them free trade, even

713
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:28,639
though there's nothing free necessarily free trade about that. Okay,

714
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,960
that last part was mean, But other than that.

715
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Speaker 1: There's no no I think our most manufacturing has lost

716
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,039
automation and technology. That's the facts. And to continue, you know,

717
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,880
you keep saying hollowing out. I think we're hollowing out anything.

718
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,320
I think we still lead technologically on almost every way.

719
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,320
That's why people have to steal from us all the time.

720
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In my book, You're a trash. For instance, I compare

721
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:51,920
the top making this number up. It's something like top fifty.

722
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,760
In the top fifty tech companies, there are like three

723
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,840
European and like ten Chinese, and the rest are all American.

724
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I mean, we still innovate. People come here because they

725
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,400
know we can innovate, and that's because we allow competition

726
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,760
to grow. We don't coddle dying industries. We try to

727
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,719
have you know, we try to generationally let people have

728
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,760
better jobs. I'm sorry, I don't want to get too

729
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,679
deeply into this. Also, but what bothers me about politicians

730
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,880
who are populous in the way JD. Vances and Mark

731
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,920
or Rubio and others on economics is that their kids

732
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,000
aren't going to go work on some factory line your

733
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:27,440
kids are. They think that you're not better than that,

734
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,599
That's how I view it. And their kids are going

735
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:31,239
to go to Ivy League schools. Their kids are not

736
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,880
going to be on a line putting together cheap junk

737
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,360
for Americans to buy. So I think they're hypocrites. But

738
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I also think it's bad policy.

739
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Speaker 2: I think that's so ridiculous. Particularly, I mean, I think

740
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it's actually unfair to both Marco Rubio and JD. Vans.

741
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,719
But in JD. Vance's situation, which you can read about

742
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,840
in his best selling book Hillbilly Eleogy, he's talking about

743
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,440
people he grew up with that he's related to himself. Like, yeah,

744
00:37:56,519 --> 00:38:01,760
he was able, through strength and determined and God given

745
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,679
smarts to make it out of his economic situation. But

746
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,920
he is clearly deeply empathetic toward people in his class.

747
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Speaker 1: I completely think that he is. His arguments are in

748
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,639
good faith. I'm not saying he's a bad guy. I'm

749
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just saying, first of all, I don't know how many

750
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:21,880
people actually read that book. It's not about starting out

751
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,320
in a poor place. It's about people making really bad

752
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,440
decisions with their lives. His I think his I forgot

753
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,360
what his mom did. They were making a good living,

754
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,880
she was making bad choices and you know, the destruction

755
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,000
of the family. Like I said many times, the things

756
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,840
that he says are wrong in America, I agree with,

757
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,480
like the problems. It's his prescriptions to them that I

758
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:45,280
disagree with. So that's we've had some arguments about.

759
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've thought about this previously.

760
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Speaker 1: So who if Kamala does have to do an interview.

761
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Who will she pick? I assume just like George Stephanopolis

762
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or someone like that.

763
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it would be a Democrat operative like

764
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:04,360
George Stephanopolis or Jake Tapper or Dana Bash or any

765
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of the thousands of other Democrat operatives who are in

766
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,760
positions like that. I could also see it being someone

767
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like Oprah Winfrey does a special primetime special, or Barack

768
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Obama hosts an interview or hosts an evening to introduce Kamala.

769
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,719
I mean, we'll see what they do during their convention.

770
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,480
I'm sure they will try to further. I'm sure they

771
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will keep her off interviews until she gets through the convention.

772
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Speaker 1: Now, the view is a very safe place for her,

773
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,400
I think, yeah, she would be surrounded by sick offants. Yeah,

774
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,599
for sure. Where does the left press believe we're going

775
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:40,239
to end up? Like, what is their goal? I think

776
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,400
their goal is to neutralize any kind of real conservative

777
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,400
Republican party. I think they'd be happy to go back

778
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,719
to like the FDR years, you know, where you had

779
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,840
this minority Republican party that they couldn't do anything. And

780
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,400
I don't know, you know, they're like I think of progressives,

781
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especially who populate these new rooms. By the way, that's

782
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,519
why they pro Hamas. I mean, an old style democrat

783
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:05,840
would not have been pro Hamas. You know, I think

784
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,079
I read there were like thirteen people at the Washington

785
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,039
Post who had worked for al Jazero or Qatar, you know,

786
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in some way, or the Brookings Institution or whatever. So

787
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,280
I just think they don't think as an end goal.

788
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,159
They just want to run the country, and the media

789
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,599
is just a huge part of that. So I don't

790
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,840
I mean, I can't read their minds.

791
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Speaker 2: But I don't know the answer totally. But did you

792
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,159
read Rusty Reno's book Return of the Strong Gods, really

793
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:37,960
interesting book which looks at how World War One followed

794
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,960
by World War Two were so horrific for the intelligentsia

795
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,440
of the West that they really put some effort in

796
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,440
time into thinking through how can we prevent a rise

797
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,000
of Germany, a rise of fascism in Italy? You know

798
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,400
these days and you start to see academia kind of

799
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,239
turn toward this effort of fighting fascism in all its forms.

800
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And so even some of the destruction of the family

801
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:04,800
comes from what you could arguably say was a good

802
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:10,199
motivation of like some people thought the patriarchy or father

803
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,679
led families were fascists and so they had to be destroyed.

804
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And so you see how over decades people have worked

805
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,119
to oppose fascism. Supposedly, they start things like George Soros

806
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,880
starts the Open Society Institute, which is all about making

807
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,559
sure that the conditions that led to the rise of

808
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:31,800
Germany in World War One and World War Two are

809
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,440
not able to be met again. So sometimes I think

810
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,920
they are motivated by an actual good thought without thinking

811
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,519
through the repercussions of it. But I also feel like

812
00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:47,519
when you look at how the left has completely embraced

813
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,360
this Palestinian struggle, and to be fair, they always have.

814
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, to some extent, there's always been a

815
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strong bias there.

816
00:41:55,519 --> 00:42:00,599
Speaker 2: The day that the BLM riots started, that organization had

817
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:02,920
already been in existence since twenty fourteen. You go to

818
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,760
their website the day those riots started, and right there

819
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,000
at the very top they were like, we are pro Palestinian.

820
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,280
And this as the progressives have really sort of come

821
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,679
together more and more, I would not be totally surprised

822
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:24,320
to see them kind of come under some Islamist radicalism.

823
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,119
I know that sounds kind of crazy, but they seem

824
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:27,280
to be quite married together.

825
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the hard left and the Islamist or even

826
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,159
the Palestinian movement have always been together. Even an Antebee

827
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or these fam there were two German Communists as part

828
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:39,960
of that terrorist action. So I don't know if they

829
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,639
see them as the Third World struggle as they are struggling.

830
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:44,519
You know how we make fun of like gays for

831
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:48,280
Palestine or transfer Palestine or Gaza. But the truth is

832
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,599
that they do have a natural alliance in a way

833
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:53,400
of undermining Western civilization basically, you know, just to be

834
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:57,639
blunt about it. And so it's not like they understand

835
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,320
they couldn't live in Gaza, but their enemies the same

836
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,360
and they want to destroy the same system, and so

837
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,000
they're temporarily aligned. And I think that's probably how a

838
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,199
lot of these progress I sometimes wonder if they actually

839
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,719
think this deeply about it, though I'm not sure, you know,

840
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,880
I'm not sure if they're like real Marxists. I don't

841
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,880
think they're reading Karl Marx and then transposing it onto

842
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,880
racial stuff. But I think almost naturally they come to

843
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,320
that idea and then you know, right in that way.

844
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So other than making a trip out to Utah

845
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,599
for this Federalist conference. Do you have anything to tell

846
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:35,480
us about what you've been doing, watching, reading, listening.

847
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: To I have two items. One is I watched with

848
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,400
one of my kids the original Twister movie. I think

849
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,960
it holds up really well. I just quickly want to say,

850
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,360
you know, in these new movies, they have a lot

851
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,519
of cgi and it probably looks more realistic in some way,

852
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,559
but I enjoyed seeing it being not that, you know,

853
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,920
being weird, like there's a cow flying through the air

854
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,039
and stuff, and it's just a lot of fun. I'll

855
00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:59,880
get both so you can then we can talk about

856
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,280
you or do you want to go back and forth? Okay?

857
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,280
And I watched a movie called The Instigators with Casey

858
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,800
Affleck and Matt Damon on Apple. I actually like Casey

859
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,960
Affleck more than Ben Affleck is an actor.

860
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:16,079
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think everybody does right, Okay.

861
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, thought I was standing out, thought it was

862
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,599
an outlier. Yeah. So I loved him in that movie

863
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:24,119
where with the Brad Pitt. I liked him in a

864
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:26,440
lot of stuff. So he's fine, and Matt Damon's fine

865
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,440
in the directions find everything. But you just watching and

866
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:30,199
you're like, why are we Like, why are we on

867
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,840
this trip here? You know, it was just very bland,

868
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,119
and you know, I can't even remember what the story

869
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,400
is anymore. It was just not very good, at least

870
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:38,280
from my view.

871
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: So I never saw the first Twister. My family has seen, Okay,

872
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,079
that's why we watch, and they all really enjoyed it,

873
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,280
and we've had at the Federalists, we've published quite a

874
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,079
few reviews that were very favorable toward it. I have

875
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:55,519
not watched or seen anything. I did in ahead of

876
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:58,599
our conference. Came out to Salt Lake a few days

877
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:03,079
early because my husband family had a family reunion. And

878
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,400
as I may have mentioned once or twice on the podcast,

879
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,960
my husband and ira Lutheran, but he comes from a

880
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,599
Mormon family, and so I experienced my very first Mormon

881
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:18,719
family reunion and it was something else, I'll tell you.

882
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,519
Like the family that he's part of, they have one

883
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:25,880
of the largest family organizations in America, which is their

884
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:32,000
nonprofit that runs their reunions. They have officers. The family

885
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,320
began as a polygamist family, so you have the line

886
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,199
from one wife and you have the line from the

887
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,000
second wife, and then you identify yourself by which kid

888
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,480
of you know, wife one or wife two, And then

889
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:50,039
there were competitions to see which kid of which wife

890
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:53,800
had the most people there. There were presentations on you know,

891
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,719
advances they'd made. Mormons are super super into genealogy as

892
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,440
part of their religious practice, and so we had presentations

893
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,199
from experts and different and it was really really interesting

894
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:08,360
to be there and very large.

895
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: So sounds like fun. Do you ever get in trouble

896
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,760
for talking about these things like in your personal life? Like,

897
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,480
I don't know, is someone going to be mad that

898
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,760
you spoke about it a little bit of a smile

899
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,880
going in your voice there, so you discussed it. I'm

900
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,800
just wondering, No, all right, because I do. I get

901
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,960
in troublesome times, like when we talked about that friend

902
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,440
episode where I was looking for friends, remember that whole thing.

903
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:33,239
So those people I think listened and then never contacted

904
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:33,639
me again.

905
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: So I just you know, Oh, last week we talked

906
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,760
about how I was on Cottonwood Pass and Buna Vista and.

907
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:43,079
Speaker 1: How your husband saved you from a drive in movie.

908
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: Yes, and I I hadn't told my husband this yet,

909
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,639
but one of his cousins was listening from Ireland and

910
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,159
really loved it because she grew up over Cottonwood Pass

911
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,599
and so that was fun. I forget sometimes that people

912
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,039
are listening, but no, I you know, it's just an

913
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,119
interesting part of my husband's family heritage, and so it's

914
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:01,639
good for the kids to learn about it too. We

915
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:05,679
also learned that they are that are children or children

916
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:07,800
of the American Revolution. My husband is a son of

917
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,360
the American Revolution. That was you know. We found out

918
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,800
like really interesting stuff related to some of his family members,

919
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,800
including that one of his ancestors forged the steel that

920
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,199
is still at West Point where they during the Revolutionary

921
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,519
War tried to do a blockade.

922
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,079
Speaker 1: On the Hudson River. Yeah, he was telling me about that.

923
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,199
Very cool. He had another story too, right, Yeah, I

924
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,760
mean I don't have that kind of history.

925
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,519
Speaker 2: Oh, when he swam across the river to actually connect

926
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:41,480
the parts of the of the the iron the iron gates.

927
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: Well, weird speaking in front of people when we're doing this, right.

928
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: Gives it a little I know, it's super weird being

929
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:46,800
in front of people, but.

930
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,119
Speaker 1: Because usually it's just we forget we're talking, right, and

931
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:53,639
we just I do I mean, I'm not that we're talking.

932
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:57,199
I forget that we're recording. Okay, well, let's move on.

933
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,440
We'll be back next sweet to embarrass ourselves further and

934
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,920
few lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray, and.

935
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 2: Don't forget to email us at radio at the Federalist

936
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:08,400
dot com.

937
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: Yes, we'd love to hear if you me. Thank you,