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<v Speaker 1>Oh hey, what a treat.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, first off, my nickname was squid in high school,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't really have a good reason. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I used to wear my hair and like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of braids. Maybe that was it, and I did a

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<v Speaker 2>squid dance for my friends. But squidly is my nickname

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<v Speaker 2>for high school. The reason why you're hearing motorcycles go

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<v Speaker 2>by is because I'm recording this in my parents' car

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<v Speaker 2>in a parking garage at Ucdavis Medical Center. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was just some atmosphere for you. This is an Encore

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<v Speaker 2>episode from the Before Times. It's from February twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Today is April twentieth, and yes, I am in a

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<v Speaker 2>parking garage, so your grandpa is being taken care of

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<v Speaker 2>here after sit down an emergency brain surgery on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought, what better time than to just indulge

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<v Speaker 2>in an encore episode. I'm taking time to be bedside

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<v Speaker 2>with him and my family, and so I am dishing

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<v Speaker 2>you up a hot serving of a great episode from

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<v Speaker 2>the past. Thank you to all the ologists in this

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<v Speaker 2>building UC Davis Medical Center in Sacramento. You make me

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<v Speaker 2>want to change the spelling too. Alogists because, Ah, because

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<v Speaker 2>you're the best. You're saving lives and I'm just a

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<v Speaker 2>big fan of your work. So thank you. Also to

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<v Speaker 2>everyone who's sending good cosmic vibes our way. I know

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<v Speaker 2>we've been getting a lot of that, so thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for that. So this week, let's get to this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>A tweet went super dang viral of this ologist's car,

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<v Speaker 2>so much so that her squid hotline at one eight

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<v Speaker 2>through three SI text one eight through three, seven, two, four,

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three, ninety eight she had sixteen thousand requests for

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<v Speaker 2>squid facts because of an Internet tweet that blew up

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<v Speaker 2>and stay tuned until the very end of the episode

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<v Speaker 2>to hear an update on if we ever saw each

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<v Speaker 2>other again after we recorded this in twenty eighteen, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as a fresh secret. So here we go an

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<v Speaker 2>encore episode. It's literally one of my favorites and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>is talking about this guest. Ah, it's finally time. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the moment you've been waiting months for a Cephala podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay. Toothology comes from tooth, which is Greek for

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<v Speaker 2>cuttlefish or squid. What's a cephala pod? Met Well, that

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<v Speaker 2>comes from Cephala which means head and pod feet because

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<v Speaker 2>they essentially look like a giant, long brain with a

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<v Speaker 2>mop of feet glued on. So this week's episode it's

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<v Speaker 2>all about squiz and squids and squids and octopuses and cuttlefish.

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<v Speaker 2>They are adorable, shape shifting, possibly alien, creepy alive cartoons.

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<v Speaker 2>I love them even more after recording this. I would

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<v Speaker 2>hug every one of them if I could. But first

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say thank you and give you all

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<v Speaker 2>CWS says, fantastic podcast. I recently had a dream that

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<v Speaker 2>know that that wasn't a dream. What if we actually

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<v Speaker 2>did that in another astral plane? Anyway, thanks for the reviews. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>back to squid. Who squid? They look like swim and

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<v Speaker 2>dicks with parrot beaks and they are alive in visibility cloaks.

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<v Speaker 2>But are they aliens?

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<v Speaker 1>How do they change color? Can they kill you?

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<v Speaker 2>What's a kraken? I very excitedly met with a squid

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<v Speaker 2>scientist that I've been fawning over on Twitter for months

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<v Speaker 2>after a post of hers about squid went viral. What

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<v Speaker 2>happened was multiple Jabbronis tried to tell her that her

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<v Speaker 2>squid were cuttlefish, and she's like, I'm a squid scientist,

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<v Speaker 2>there's quid. So I've become a huge fangirl of her

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<v Speaker 2>general knowledge and passion about squids, so much that I

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<v Speaker 2>took a train two hours from New York to Connecticut

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<v Speaker 2>and back in one day just to spend an hour

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<v Speaker 2>with her. She picked me up from the train station

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<v Speaker 2>and told me i'd recognize her car because it had

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<v Speaker 2>her Twitter handle and email plus the words ever wonder

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<v Speaker 2>about squid? Ask me anything octopus two written on the

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<v Speaker 2>back window. Her license plate reads simply squids. It's thirty

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<v Speaker 2>nine degrees. I can see my breath. I'm outside new Haven, Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 2>first time in Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for a squid car. I'm so nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been trying to be her friend, so hardcore for

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<v Speaker 2>months online. What if she doesn't like me? Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I see her. This is so exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Squints. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Oh my gosh, it's meat.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I getting in your car.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, your license might really slate. So we

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<v Speaker 2>drove around New Haven a little, and at the time

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<v Speaker 2>she was a PhD candidate and a scientist at the

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<v Speaker 2>University of Connecticut, but now she has a PhD indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>she runs the nonprofit organization Skype of Scientist and that

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<v Speaker 2>connects science folks with all manner of people who have

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<v Speaker 2>good questions for them, from classrooms to book clubs, and

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<v Speaker 2>also runs a weekly trivia night through Skype of Scientists,

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<v Speaker 2>which are always such a blast, and you can find

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<v Speaker 2>out more at Skype scientists dot com. There's a link

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<v Speaker 2>in the show notes. But she also wrote a squid

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<v Speaker 2>coloring book. I'll link that on my website. And she

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<v Speaker 2>teaches classes through Atlas Obscura and she's got one coming

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<v Speaker 2>up in June on animal reproduction that is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be whot. I suggest you sign up for it before

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<v Speaker 2>the slots are out. She also is teaching a squid

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<v Speaker 2>class and scept huh. You can love her. Head to

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<v Speaker 2>the Lincoln my web page where we will do linkol

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<v Speaker 2>Belusa of all of that. But anyway, she picked me up.

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<v Speaker 2>We drove around complete strangers in Connecticut on a winter day,

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<v Speaker 2>and we convinced a library to let us record in

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<v Speaker 2>their basement and we talked about iridescent, bioluminescent sea creatures,

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<v Speaker 2>crafty cuttlefish, costuming, octopus brains because they're shaped so weird,

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<v Speaker 2>alien DNA, weird dating stories both human, our own and

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<v Speaker 2>cephalopod related, and what happens when you blindfold a creature

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<v Speaker 2>who is all head and arms. So please get ready

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<v Speaker 2>to become obsessed with quite possibly the world's most charming

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<v Speaker 2>and impassioned squid nerd ever toothologist, Doctor Sarah McNulty.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know that?

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<v Speaker 2>I for some reason, every time I want to say

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<v Speaker 2>your name, I want to say McNulty.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people do. Yeah, why do I do that? I

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<v Speaker 3>Phrenetics, Irish phonetics make no sense. Okay, you are a tothologist.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a toothologist. Yes, so glad you know that word? Yeah, teuthologist.

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<v Speaker 3>Do people do you ever say that? Or do you

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<v Speaker 3>ever drop that? Cash?

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<v Speaker 1>No one knows what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>One time someone asked me if I was a tothologist,

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<v Speaker 3>and then again I got very excited, but it barely

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<v Speaker 3>comes up normally, I just say I'm a squid biologist.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're kind of boned by phonetics because it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like you're an orthodonist.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it does sound like you study teeth, and squid

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<v Speaker 3>don't even have teeth, so the poor things they just

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<v Speaker 3>have beaks so, yeah, we're hose there.

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<v Speaker 2>So you are a squid scientist? Yes, how long you've

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<v Speaker 2>been into squid?

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<v Speaker 3>So? I have been interested in squid since I was

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<v Speaker 3>a little kid, but I started actually working with stephalopods

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<v Speaker 3>when I was in Right after my sophomore year of college,

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<v Speaker 3>I found out about this lab in woods Hole in

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<v Speaker 3>Massachusetts that was working on cuttlefish camouflage and I thought

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<v Speaker 3>that was like so insane that you could have a

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<v Speaker 3>career working on the coolest animal there is. So I

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<v Speaker 3>like basically followed the scientist around to places that I

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<v Speaker 3>knew who was giving talks and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like, Hi, I'm Sarah. Please let me work for you.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was like you're too young, and I was

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<v Speaker 3>like please, though I would really like to work for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah sent the lab a very passionate letter where she

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<v Speaker 2>basically said, look, if you don't hire me this year,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just gonna hear from me next year and the

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<v Speaker 2>year after that.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like okay, crazy and gave me an internship.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah has worked with cephalopods ever since octopuses OCTOPI more

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<v Speaker 2>on that later in college, and now she works with

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<v Speaker 2>little credits called bobtail squid, which are an evolutionary in

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<v Speaker 2>between octopuses and cuttlefish. Bobtail squid are little, they have

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<v Speaker 2>a shorter, rounded mantle, and they can be these beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>iridescent collars. They're also called dumpling squid dubby squid because

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<v Speaker 2>of their shape, and the general consensus is that they

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<v Speaker 2>are the cutest things on planet Earth. So I'm sorry, sloths,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been replaced. Super side note, if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>a photo of a bobtail squid and simply cannot even

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<v Speaker 2>or you need to scream or punch yourself in the face,

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that Yale researchers have dubbed cute aggression.

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<v Speaker 2>One hypothesis is that the brain simply cannot deal with

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<v Speaker 2>that much positive stimulation at once and turn some of

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<v Speaker 2>it into the opposite, just some negative emotion, which for

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<v Speaker 2>most people ends up being aggression or screaming or squealing

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<v Speaker 2>or slapping themselves. So google bobtail squid and then bury

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<v Speaker 2>your face into a couch cushion and shriek with abandon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fine, it's okay, it'll be helpful. What's the timeline

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<v Speaker 2>between octopus and squid and bobtail squid. I know that's

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<v Speaker 2>a stupid, stupid question, but like, what did one come

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<v Speaker 2>first and then another? What happened?

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, first we had like amanites, and those are

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<v Speaker 3>those things that look like Nautilus's those like spiral shells,

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<v Speaker 3>I think a common ancestor of those, We had bellum nights,

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<v Speaker 3>and those are basically squid with shells like long, skinny

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<v Speaker 3>cone shells. And then they brought the shells inside their

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<v Speaker 3>body instead of outside their body, and then they most

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<v Speaker 3>of them lost the shells completely and some keep them inside.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's like squid, like the kind of squid that

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<v Speaker 3>you eat, and calamari still has something called a pen,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like a clear, bendy version of a shell.

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<v Speaker 3>And cuttlefish have cuttlebones, which are these actually birds eat

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<v Speaker 3>them for like calcium, but they have they're like little

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<v Speaker 3>buoyancy devices right in the back of the animal. And

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<v Speaker 3>then our bobtail squid have absolutely nothing at all. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so octopuses diverge from squid and cuttlefish a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember exactly how many millions of years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>so they're off on their own branch with vampire squid,

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<v Speaker 3>which are not either they're more like octopuses than squid.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it, vampire squid? Vampire squid are dope.

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<v Speaker 3>So vampire squid are these deep sea cephalopods that look

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<v Speaker 3>their arms are biluminescent. And then they have these big

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just look these things up. Who boy, they're

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<v Speaker 2>this deep crimson color and their arms are more webbed,

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<v Speaker 2>their Latin genus and species name is vampir touthist infernalis,

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<v Speaker 2>and it translates to something that sounds like a title

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<v Speaker 2>to a grindhouse film, vampire squid from Hell. That is

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<v Speaker 2>what their Latin name means, vampire squid from Hell. Do

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<v Speaker 2>they have knives and lengthy rap sheets of criminal offenses?

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<v Speaker 3>Not so much, And there are non violent little animals

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<v Speaker 1>That's called marine snow.

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<v Speaker 3>And they, oh god, which is quite a euphemism, is disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like dead stuff. And they're just calling vampire

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<v Speaker 3>They look really scary, so like each of their arms

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<v Speaker 3>look really intimidating. You would think I wouldn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>stuff and flowing around, so it's not too bad. I

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<v Speaker 2>There's when you talk about marine snow, there's poo in

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<v Speaker 1>Oh totally okay, yeah, okay, why squid?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously squid are the coolest, but like what

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<v Speaker 3>So when I was when I first realized that squid

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<v Speaker 3>this natural geographic like video that I got from the library.

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<v Speaker 2>It was all about the ocean fish, coral reefs, reeves, reefs,

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<v Speaker 3>But there was this segment about halfway through where they

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<v Speaker 3>and I was just like, what the fuck is that?

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<v Speaker 3>and space where strange creatures whose bizarre pounds the alien zone,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, I need to know more about

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<v Speaker 3>that animal. So in the video, it's doing this like

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<v Speaker 3>passing cloud maneuver. So cuttlefish can change color as quickly

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<v Speaker 3>cell is controlled by neurons, so it's as if you

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<v Speaker 3>think it, you can change, which is really cool. So

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<v Speaker 3>they're called chromatophores, and these little sacks of pigment, little

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<v Speaker 3>circles spheres of pigment that are surrounded by little cellular

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<v Speaker 3>muscles that can stretch the pigment out like a pancake

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<v Speaker 3>and then let it release and go back to a

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<v Speaker 3>little teeny tiny beach ball. So they can turn these

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<v Speaker 3>on in patterns. So I saw that and was like

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<v Speaker 3>this is bananas and yeah. So I had been into dinosaurs,

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<v Speaker 3>but then I switched over to sepal pods pretty much

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<v Speaker 3>right then and there, and I checked that video out

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<v Speaker 3>all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, sorry, dinos.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Yeah, we don't even know what color you were,

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<v Speaker 2>let alone if you could change like an LED screen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That nat geo video, which Sarah posted on her tumblr,

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<v Speaker 2>squid Scientistas dot tumblr dot com, shows cuttlefish flitting about

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<v Speaker 2>doing what's called dynamic displays, so they're blinking and changing colors.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like bands of black flashing over their body, like

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<v Speaker 2>if clouds were overhead zooming past you and through bands

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<v Speaker 2>of shadow across you, so it looks like hypnotic and

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<v Speaker 2>it confuses their prey. It's bananas. They're like living squishy

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<v Speaker 2>disco lights. I get why this video is life changing.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're obsessed with squid, I think that makes other

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<v Speaker 2>people obsessed with your obsession with squid.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when people are kind of obsessed with cephalopods, do

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<v Speaker 2>you think it's their huge brains or their dexterity or

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably different for everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think one thing that's really drawing and interesting

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<v Speaker 3>about cephalopods is that they're really complex animals that diverge

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<v Speaker 3>so long ago from us that they've come up with

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<v Speaker 3>all these really wacky cool ways to get around the

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<v Speaker 3>same problems that any other organism has to get around,

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<v Speaker 3>but in a super different way. Like you know, camouflage

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<v Speaker 3>is the most crazy different one, but nuts. I mean, Ilie.

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<v Speaker 2>Even you watch videos and you're like, are it's so

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<v Speaker 2>fast it's crazy? Are we ever going to develop technology

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<v Speaker 2>to like give us invisibility cloaks in case we see

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<v Speaker 2>like someone we don't want to see at costco or something. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing that is really really hard to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>is how cephalopods look at their environment and then pick

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<v Speaker 3>what to do. Because it's not as though they're saying, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I bet I could do a pretty good rendition of

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<v Speaker 3>that rock. They take the whole like environment, and then

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<v Speaker 3>they kind of like say, okay, I bet this would fit.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like looking for a new piece of furniture in

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<v Speaker 3>a room, not to match what you've got, but to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of go with the flow of the room. But

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<v Speaker 3>there are scientists working on that in Woodsholl, in that

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<v Speaker 3>lab that I used to work for, understanding what cues

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<v Speaker 3>they're using from the environment to pick what to look like.

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<v Speaker 2>And getting back to that stretching the pigments out like

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<v Speaker 2>a pancake and then smushing them like a beach ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that change the way that the light reflects on

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<v Speaker 2>the pigment or how does that change the color?

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<v Speaker 3>So ink? Okay, So we've got multiple layers of cephalopod skin.

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<v Speaker 3>On the bottom base layer. For some cephalopods like cuddlefish,

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<v Speaker 3>there's this really really white cell type called lucafhors, and

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<v Speaker 3>these cells never change color. It's just whatever color you

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<v Speaker 3>shoot at them is the color that they give back

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<v Speaker 3>to you. And it's like the purest white in the

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<v Speaker 3>animal kingdom. So there are grants working to study this

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<v Speaker 3>to make e readers better so that the back of

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<v Speaker 3>the page is the whitest version of your eyes have

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<v Speaker 3>more pigment or more contrast to pick up on words,

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<v Speaker 3>which is cool. Okay, So that's that's base, and then

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<v Speaker 3>above that we have a ritiphores and a ritifhors really

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<v Speaker 3>are the ones that change color, but they change color

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<v Speaker 3>the slowest, so they can go from like red to

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<v Speaker 3>blue purple sort of. And those are changing hormonally, so

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<v Speaker 3>they change a lot slower, but they're the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>sparkly urdescent cells. And then on top of those, those

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<v Speaker 3>are where your chromatophors are, and chromatophors are one color

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, but you have many different colors of

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<v Speaker 3>chromatophors all in your kind of palette. So there are

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<v Speaker 3>like brown ones and yellow ones and reddish ones. So

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<v Speaker 3>which they choose to turn on will determine the pattern

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<v Speaker 3>that you see. So you're using all of these different

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<v Speaker 3>cell types to amalgamate pattern.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it like a like a TV screen or LED

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<v Speaker 2>s Like, is it similar to that?

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<v Speaker 3>Or that would require me to understand how LED screens work?

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<v Speaker 2>And I have no idea. I tried to check to

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<v Speaker 2>see if this TV screen analogy was whack. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that was embarrassing to say, And then I went

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<v Speaker 2>down a rabbit hole of LCD liquid crystal display backlit

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<v Speaker 2>by LED light emitting diodes, but also jumbotrons, which is

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<v Speaker 2>actually a trademark name and Sony no longer makes them,

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<v Speaker 2>but LED jumbotrons if those were like chromatophores, And then

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<v Speaker 2>I found a published paper called Dynamic Skin Patterns in

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<v Speaker 2>Cephalopods published last year, which said, in the opening graph

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<v Speaker 2>quote with parallels to the pixels on a television screen,

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<v Speaker 2>cephalopod chromatophores, so boom, I'm sticking with it. Don't at me.

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<v Speaker 2>Scientists agree. Now we have more important squid gossip to address.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have two pieces of flim flamm I need

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<v Speaker 2>you like straightaway. I had amazing doctor Christacker on icheologist

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<v Speaker 2>and she told me that giant squid live like five years.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that true? That squid have really short lifespans?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so some squid leap live even shorter lifespans

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<v Speaker 3>than that. So our bobtail squid, we think, live about

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<v Speaker 3>nine months in the wild, so really short. And then

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<v Speaker 3>we think at the long end of things is like

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<v Speaker 3>about five years.

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<v Speaker 1>If they could live to one hundred years, would they

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<v Speaker 1>take over the world? Would we be screwed? One would

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<v Speaker 1>have to assume yes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The other flip flam I have to debunk is our

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<v Speaker 2>octopus and squid possibly alien DNA and that's why they're

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<v Speaker 2>so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about that one.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, no, cephalopods are not aliens.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's what happened. So the octopus genome came.

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<v Speaker 3>Out and there's a lot of weird cool stuff in

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<v Speaker 3>that genome, and they were saying, Okay, there's all this

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<v Speaker 3>weird stuff going on, like it's wait, really different it's

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<v Speaker 3>like it's an alien, they said casually to a journalist,

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<v Speaker 3>and then journalists cephalopods are aliens.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're like a shit, good, no it's not. We're

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<v Speaker 1>saying like alien like squid did not come from space.

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<v Speaker 2>So talk me a little bit about your work with

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<v Speaker 2>bacteria interactions. I know you work with bobtail squid, which

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<v Speaker 2>are these cute, cute little guys, and you study bioluminescent

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<v Speaker 2>bacteria that lives on their underside.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So the bobtail squid has this like symbiosis with

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<v Speaker 3>the bacterium.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it's bioluminescent. It's called Vibrio fischeri.

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<v Speaker 3>So they have this organ that is appropriately called a

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<v Speaker 3>light organ and that's where the bacteria live.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really cool. Yeah, what a rig.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an evolutionary like I just shouldn't use the word

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<v Speaker 3>mind fuck, but it's evolutionarily really really complex and cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So bobtail squid have these two little crips where they

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<v Speaker 2>house one species, one single species of bioluminescent bacteria, like

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of glowing purse chihuahuas, but the purse is

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<v Speaker 2>your skin and the chihuahuas help you live. Now because

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<v Speaker 2>it's just one species of bacteria that they have this

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with. It's way easier to study and isolate than

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<v Speaker 2>a microbiome with a bunch of different species. And in

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah's lab, they're looking at the communication between an animal and

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<v Speaker 2>the bacterium and how the immune cells influence it, like

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<v Speaker 2>how they recognize their so called good bacteria. So remember

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<v Speaker 2>the glycobiology episode with Michelle d'acua where cells use carbohydrate

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<v Speaker 2>flags to kind of check each other out.

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<v Speaker 3>And we think it's sort of like when the immune

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<v Speaker 3>cell and the bacterium first stick to each other, the

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<v Speaker 3>immune cells kind of like asking the bacterium a couple questions, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to lipple polysaccharide, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have going on? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like that, Okay, what do you have going

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<v Speaker 3>on for this protein over here?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>And let me look at this one other thing on

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<v Speaker 3>your surface. And with this information combined, I can identify

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<v Speaker 3>who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to me a little bit about bobtail squid because

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<v Speaker 2>they do look like a hybrid between a squid and

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<v Speaker 2>an octopus and a cuttlefish, which is actually how I

417
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<v Speaker 2>got to know and gently stalk you is I saw,

418
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<v Speaker 2>I saw you tweeted this adorable photo of when you

419
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<v Speaker 2>go check on your squids and like some of them

420
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<v Speaker 2>are totally okay with the checkup, and others pretend to

421
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<v Speaker 2>be rocks. And it was like one bobtail squid that

422
00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:08.440
<v Speaker 2>was covered herself in rocks and was like, no, letna

423
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<v Speaker 2>see there, and and then some people tweeted back at

424
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<v Speaker 2>you like pretty sure, You're pretty sure it's cuddlefish, and everyone's.

425
00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Like a fuck off, She's a squid scientist.

426
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this happens to me like maybe once a week

427
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<v Speaker 3>that someone tries to tell me that my bobtail squid

428
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<v Speaker 3>is a cuddlefish. That particular day I had like thirty

429
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<v Speaker 3>people tell me my bobtail squid was a cuddlefish. But

430
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<v Speaker 3>I've just like accepted that this is going to be

431
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<v Speaker 3>part of my life, like having men tell me that

432
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:35.759
<v Speaker 3>my squid is not my squid, and to be fair,

433
00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:39.279
<v Speaker 3>like so there are true squid and like I keep

434
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<v Speaker 3>calling them calamari squid, but like I think that's where

435
00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:43.640
<v Speaker 3>you encounter them the most, like this long skinny squid.

436
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<v Speaker 3>So you know, when I just say, like, look at

437
00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:49.160
<v Speaker 3>my squid doing something stupid. Some people will be like, well,

438
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.279
<v Speaker 3>actually it's not a true squid, it's a you should

439
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<v Speaker 3>really be using the term bobtail squid.

440
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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, yeah, I guess I should.

441
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<v Speaker 3>When I have this many followers and this many people

442
00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:59.319
<v Speaker 3>like getting all up in my business, I guess I

443
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<v Speaker 3>should always use bobtail squid.

444
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<v Speaker 2>And they're definitely not cuttlefish.

445
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<v Speaker 3>They're just definitely not cuttlefish. So to be a cuttlefish

446
00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:08.200
<v Speaker 3>you need to have a cuttlebone. And the cuddlebone is

447
00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:13.119
<v Speaker 3>that buoyant. A ragonite is what it's made of, kind

448
00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:15.240
<v Speaker 3>of Shelly shocky thing.

449
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it.

450
00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Helps them maintain neutral buoyancy, so they don't have to

451
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<v Speaker 3>actually put an effort staying up in the water.

452
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<v Speaker 1>But in the water, but the water.

453
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<v Speaker 2>Every time Sarah says water, I die, I die. I

454
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<v Speaker 2>texted her afterwards to ask where she's from out of

455
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<v Speaker 2>pure linguistic curiosity, and it's Philly. I love it so much.

456
00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:37.960
<v Speaker 2>So this accent is called Philadelphia English. It's the proper

457
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<v Speaker 2>name for it, and it's heavily influenced by immigrants from

458
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<v Speaker 2>Northern Ireland and Scotland. So how you pronounce water is

459
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<v Speaker 2>said to be like the defining characteristic of Philadelphia English.

460
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<v Speaker 2>I find it so charming. So please, when you hear

461
00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.839
<v Speaker 2>her say water, take a sip of your beverage, rejoice.

462
00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:02.920
<v Speaker 2>It's so endearing. It's like sloth baby squid level cute. Okay,

463
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:03.880
<v Speaker 2>back to cuddle bums.

464
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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't have that, you are not a cuttlefish.

465
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<v Speaker 1>That's basic, like cuddlefish want to work.

466
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<v Speaker 2>If anyone's out there, that's like, I'm pretty sure I'm

467
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<v Speaker 2>a cuttlefish.

468
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<v Speaker 3>Like check yourself, check your back, like are you do

469
00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.799
<v Speaker 3>you have diff and yeah, then you're a cuddle that's

470
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<v Speaker 3>probably true.

471
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<v Speaker 2>You're a cuddlefish once you have ascertained if you were

472
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<v Speaker 2>a cuttlefish. How do you know if you're being a

473
00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:27.240
<v Speaker 2>dick on the internet? Okay, Sarah has not only a

474
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<v Speaker 2>lot of forgiveness and total compassion, but also kind of

475
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<v Speaker 2>an easy test for this for anyone.

476
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<v Speaker 3>Ask yourself before you correct someone if you're right, and

477
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<v Speaker 3>if you are, proceed and say it in a way

478
00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:44.440
<v Speaker 3>that's like not hey, you're wrong, just say like I'm

479
00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:48.200
<v Speaker 3>not sure, but I think you're wrong, and that goes

480
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<v Speaker 3>over better. And also if you get caught out from

481
00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:53.920
<v Speaker 3>man's plaining, like say sorry, right, and also if people

482
00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:57.079
<v Speaker 3>apologize for man's planning, like let them go, Like they apologize,

483
00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.480
<v Speaker 3>like everybody has a douchey moment and they're life. Things

484
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.960
<v Speaker 3>can get so overblown so fast online and like yeah,

485
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.440
<v Speaker 3>things can really snowball, so just try to be nice

486
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<v Speaker 3>to everybody.

487
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<v Speaker 1>They can marine snowball.

488
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<v Speaker 3>They can marine snowball. That would be the grossest snowball

489
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<v Speaker 3>you've ever seen.

490
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<v Speaker 2>Whatever your position on eating cephalopods, what is it okay?

491
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<v Speaker 3>So toothoid squid I eat those are like your calamar

492
00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:28.599
<v Speaker 3>squid and bobtail squid are so small that you'd have

493
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<v Speaker 3>to they would be like eating stuff mushrooms, Like they're

494
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:34.400
<v Speaker 3>so little, and so I don't eat those, partially because

495
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:36.799
<v Speaker 3>it would take a lot of work, and partially because

496
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.640
<v Speaker 3>I've raised them from like eggs, like from day one,

497
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:41.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm like a little weird or squid mom, Like I

498
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:44.799
<v Speaker 3>can't eat them. I don't eat cuttlefish because I think

499
00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:47.160
<v Speaker 3>they're so stink and cute that like I.

500
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:47.799
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't do it.

501
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.440
<v Speaker 3>And I've raised those two and they're like clever and

502
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.759
<v Speaker 3>cute and friendly and like when you feed them, they

503
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:57.000
<v Speaker 3>like know you and they'll normally like snuggle next to

504
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<v Speaker 3>the seaweed. And then if someone that they know comes

505
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:01.119
<v Speaker 3>in that like they know will feed them, that like

506
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.240
<v Speaker 3>come out of the seaweed and like say, huh hi.

507
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<v Speaker 1>I had this one cuddlefish.

508
00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:08.599
<v Speaker 3>It was like cuddlefish number three or whatever, that anytime

509
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.440
<v Speaker 3>I came in the room, he wouldn't just like come

510
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.599
<v Speaker 3>out of his seaweed, he would like bob his head

511
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<v Speaker 3>out of the water, and it like.

512
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<v Speaker 1>It was the cutest.

513
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<v Speaker 3>It was like the highlight of my day every day

514
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:22.000
<v Speaker 3>getting greeted by cuddlefish number three. And when Cuddlefish three

515
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.440
<v Speaker 3>got sick and died, I like cried in the bathroom

516
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 3>for fifteen minutes. I was so solid because he was

517
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.200
<v Speaker 3>just like so cute and so friendly, and so I

518
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:30.400
<v Speaker 3>kind of think like having cuttlefish around is like having

519
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:32.880
<v Speaker 3>a dog around, Like they're wagging their tail and they're

520
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:34.279
<v Speaker 3>happy to see you and they're just like, wow, you're

521
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.759
<v Speaker 3>just the best. And then octopuses are like the jerk

522
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.519
<v Speaker 3>cats that are like some of them are nice, some

523
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:41.920
<v Speaker 3>of them are friendly, but a lot of them are

524
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<v Speaker 3>just like you know, I couldn't give a shit. A

525
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:46.920
<v Speaker 3>few liver died and that was I've only worked with

526
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.680
<v Speaker 3>octopus bimaculoid is the two spot, the California two spot octopus.

527
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:54.240
<v Speaker 3>So maybe it's just them that are sometimes jerks. So

528
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<v Speaker 3>I had eight of them in college, and I not

529
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<v Speaker 3>like in my dorm room, like in the lab. That

530
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<v Speaker 3>would be a cool sign project, but not safe. So yeah,

531
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:06.359
<v Speaker 3>I would like feed them. So you feed them crabs

532
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:08.680
<v Speaker 3>or whatever you feed them. I fed them crabs and

533
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:13.519
<v Speaker 3>they stack their little crabshells in a little pile, which

534
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:14.319
<v Speaker 3>is like really.

535
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Cute because they want to keep things neat and clean.

536
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:18.240
<v Speaker 3>So I would like come in to clean their tank,

537
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.359
<v Speaker 3>and sometimes they would like play with my hands or whatever.

538
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:23.279
<v Speaker 3>I gave them rubber duckies, so they might like pull

539
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:24.960
<v Speaker 3>the rubber ducky to the bottom of the tank.

540
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Let go.

541
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:27.759
<v Speaker 3>Some of them would like squirt me in the face

542
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:29.519
<v Speaker 3>every single day, and I don't know if they were

543
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:31.359
<v Speaker 3>just like playing, like hey girl, let me squirt you

544
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 3>in the face. You look a little dry, but that's uncomfortable.

545
00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Let me help you. And others would just cower in

546
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:37.759
<v Speaker 1>their tanks.

547
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:39.119
<v Speaker 3>When I was around, I was like, I feed you,

548
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:42.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't touch you, I don't hurt you, Like why

549
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:46.400
<v Speaker 3>are you afraid of me? But maybe a human out

550
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:48.720
<v Speaker 3>in California before they were caught was mean to them.

551
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Or maybe they just have good survival instincts.

552
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe they're plotting a takeover of the world.

553
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Maybe takeover. That's true.

554
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 3>There are a lot of stories of octopuses really wreaking

555
00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:59.559
<v Speaker 3>havoc in aquaria.

556
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.000
<v Speaker 2>It didn't strike me until I was editing this. Wait,

557
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:06.559
<v Speaker 2>wait what Okay, the plural of aquarium is aquaria.

558
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 1>What what?

559
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Aquariums is still considered fine, but aquaria is more correct. Also,

560
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:21.079
<v Speaker 2>jumbotrons are typically located in sports STADIU sit with that. Okay,

561
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:25.519
<v Speaker 2>back to how and why an octopus can GTFO your

562
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.720
<v Speaker 2>aquarium aquaria.

563
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:29.799
<v Speaker 3>You basically need to like make sure the tank is

564
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.279
<v Speaker 3>completely locked down and has no areas that they can

565
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:35.559
<v Speaker 3>escape that are way smaller than you think they can

566
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 3>escape from because they can squeeze through anything the size

567
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.200
<v Speaker 3>of their beak, and their beak is way smaller than

568
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:41.599
<v Speaker 3>their head.

569
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>How do you gotta watch out for that? How do

570
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>their brains squish? So? Squid and octopus brands are bizarre?

571
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.480
<v Speaker 1>They so they're okay.

572
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:54.519
<v Speaker 3>So you've got a beak in the middle surrounded by

573
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:58.079
<v Speaker 3>arms and tentacles if you're a squid, so two tentacles

574
00:28:58.079 --> 00:28:58.680
<v Speaker 3>and eight arms.

575
00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:00.039
<v Speaker 1>Everybody's got eight arms.

576
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:05.200
<v Speaker 3>And then they're digestive, like their esophagus goes through their brain.

577
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:09.079
<v Speaker 3>Their brain is like doughnut shaped what and goes around

578
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:13.559
<v Speaker 3>their esophagus. So things are just like squashing all the time.

579
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 3>So some cephalopods you can't squash them, Like you can't

580
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:20.200
<v Speaker 3>squash a cuttlefish because it cuddle bone is big and

581
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 3>you can't squash it. But octopuses can squash through all

582
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.519
<v Speaker 3>kinds of stuff. I don't know if it's like uncomfortable,

583
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.599
<v Speaker 3>because like we can do things that are uncomfortable, like

584
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:31.319
<v Speaker 3>right hard yoga positions that we can do, but like

585
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 3>flying coach, sure, flying god, that's really unpleasant, but you

586
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:36.319
<v Speaker 3>can do it. You know it'll get you from me

587
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.160
<v Speaker 3>to B which is probably what the octopus is trying

588
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 3>to do.

589
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I don't know. They it doesn't hurt them

590
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>long term, I guess.

591
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>And why do some of this squid say they're totally

592
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.240
<v Speaker 2>fine with the checkup and why are others like nah,

593
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>nothing to see.

594
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>I think this is just like a personality thing.

595
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 3>So just like there are cats that when people come

596
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:56.519
<v Speaker 3>to the house, they hide into the bed, and others

597
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.400
<v Speaker 3>they're like, yeh, what up. My name's Rupert, like please me,

598
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.720
<v Speaker 3>Like I think some of them just are anxious little

599
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.200
<v Speaker 3>anchors and other of others of them are like I've

600
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:09.400
<v Speaker 3>been here the whole time. You haven't killed me yet,

601
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 3>like let's just do this whatever. And when I'm raising

602
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.200
<v Speaker 3>the squid, they see me every day. My hands are

603
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.240
<v Speaker 3>in their tanks every day, like they get used to

604
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 3>the blue nail polish and whatever that comes along with me.

605
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:21.000
<v Speaker 3>Although I think they're colorblind, so they probably don't know

606
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:22.000
<v Speaker 3>that my nail polish is blue.

607
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>They're color blind, but they have chromatophores. Yeah, how wacky

608
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:27.519
<v Speaker 1>is that? So I don't know.

609
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:29.759
<v Speaker 3>I think octopus are colorblind, but I like wouldn't bet

610
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:31.880
<v Speaker 3>my life on that. I'm sure that cuddlefish are. So

611
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:36.960
<v Speaker 3>they can only see like tones of green, we think, which,

612
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:39.640
<v Speaker 3>how the hell do they figure out what to do?

613
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>We don't know. There was this proposed experiment.

614
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.640
<v Speaker 3>Whether they were thinking, Okay, maybe there's like another way

615
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:46.920
<v Speaker 3>for them to see color that we aren't aware of,

616
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:49.519
<v Speaker 3>so we'll just blind them and see if they can

617
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.240
<v Speaker 3>change color and match their surroundings, but the scientist didn't

618
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:55.160
<v Speaker 3>want to blind a little baby cuddlefish because that would

619
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 3>make you really sad, so it never got done.

620
00:30:59.240 --> 00:30:59.640
<v Speaker 1>The next time.

621
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<v Speaker 3>People are like, scientists are just cold hard, they'll kill

622
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.599
<v Speaker 3>any like no, sometimes we feel so bad that we

623
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 3>just won't do it and won't get the answer. But anyway,

624
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:09.000
<v Speaker 3>I digress.

625
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.359
<v Speaker 2>You can blindfold them and just be like close your eyes,

626
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>close your eyes.

627
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:16.519
<v Speaker 3>We thought about doing that, but as we mentioned, cephalopods

628
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 3>are real squishy, so we were like, what would happen

629
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.119
<v Speaker 3>if we like took those goggles that you put on

630
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 3>when people go tanning, yeah, and just like stick them

631
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:24.759
<v Speaker 3>on a cuttlefish.

632
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>So we like tried.

633
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 3>They basically reached their arms back and like pull it

634
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:31.440
<v Speaker 3>off their face. So if you think it's hard to

635
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.920
<v Speaker 3>like blindfold a dog, like this is a squishy headed

636
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.960
<v Speaker 3>dog that has opposable everything, so like they can just

637
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:39.640
<v Speaker 3>yoank stuff right out.

638
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.200
<v Speaker 1>And multiples of arms, yeah, like eight of them.

639
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:46.839
<v Speaker 2>Side note arms versus tentacles. It's a thing. Octopuses have

640
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.680
<v Speaker 2>eight arms, but squid and cuttlefish have eight arms plus

641
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:55.880
<v Speaker 2>two tentacles. The tentacles are the two longer stretchy ones.

642
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>With the grippy clubs on the end of them, and

643
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:02.119
<v Speaker 2>the clubs have these circular serrated rings kind of like teeth,

644
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.480
<v Speaker 2>so they can whip out and catch stuff, which would

645
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 2>be so handy if you were like sitting on a

646
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>couch and your bag of Cheetos was across the room

647
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:12.359
<v Speaker 2>and you were like, wow, okay, you wanted to make

648
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.079
<v Speaker 2>sensual love to someone but didn't want to walk over

649
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>to them. Tentacles also helpful, And.

650
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Now what about for sexing?

651
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.799
<v Speaker 2>I heard that an octopus will just use the end

652
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 2>of an arm like a paddle covered in sperms and

653
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.599
<v Speaker 2>then be like hey, sensus something and like send it

654
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.759
<v Speaker 2>swimming over to a lady like use this, use this

655
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:33.720
<v Speaker 2>and make some babies.

656
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there. Cephalopod sex is varied and wacky. So yeah,

657
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:42.799
<v Speaker 3>let's just like talk about it because there's a lot

658
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 3>to talk about here. So I don't even know where

659
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.880
<v Speaker 3>to begin. So in deep sea squid, not all deep

660
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 3>sea squid, but this one deep sea squid whose genus

661
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 3>and species name obviously is not coming to me right.

662
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Now, googled and it's Octoputoothus delectron for those taking notes.

663
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:03.279
<v Speaker 3>They see each other, So rarely that when they see

664
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.839
<v Speaker 3>another squid, like, they don't care if it's male squid,

665
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.480
<v Speaker 3>they don't care if it's a female squid. When the male

666
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.960
<v Speaker 3>squid see another squid, they will punch through the body

667
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 3>cavity and just like stick sperm somewhere in there. What

668
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 3>So like if you think you've had a bad date,

669
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you have, but at least no one literally

670
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.359
<v Speaker 3>punched sperm through your abs.

671
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Like no, and they don't even verify, verify No, there's like, oh,

672
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:30.279
<v Speaker 1>that could be a squid.

673
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.519
<v Speaker 3>And then it's like, oh, so there are just like

674
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.000
<v Speaker 3>male squid getting sperm stuck on the inside female squid

675
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 3>against wam.

676
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Just sounds like a terrible approach. But do they survive it? Yeah? Yeah, God,

677
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:43.519
<v Speaker 1>so I would.

678
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.720
<v Speaker 2>I would change myself into an invisibility cloak all the time,

679
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:47.200
<v Speaker 2>no wonder.

680
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.079
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, yeah, there's no squid here. I got

681
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>to get out of here. And this is the pits.

682
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the dating scene of the deep Sea is is

683
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:57.519
<v Speaker 3>no good. Uh okay, let's talk about something better. So

684
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.440
<v Speaker 3>we've got the giant Australian cut off. This is like

685
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 3>my favorite cephalopod tail out there. So these these cuddlefish

686
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:09.400
<v Speaker 3>are like a meter long. They're huge and beautiful. So

687
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:12.440
<v Speaker 3>the males are like, okay, if you can picture a

688
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:14.599
<v Speaker 3>cudle fish, if you've never seen a cuttlefish before, picture

689
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:18.079
<v Speaker 3>a rugby ball with like a bed skirt around the outside,

690
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.079
<v Speaker 3>and then like a little stupid face with eight arms.

691
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:22.199
<v Speaker 1>So you're there, we're there.

692
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:24.559
<v Speaker 3>And now the males have these two big arms that

693
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:27.159
<v Speaker 3>kind of are like flopping down on either side. They're

694
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 3>really big and kind of billowy, and they kind of

695
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.199
<v Speaker 3>look like someone put on a shirt that's way too

696
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:36.280
<v Speaker 3>big for them, and that's their skin. And they're purple

697
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.519
<v Speaker 3>and blue and beautiful and roughly.

698
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, with their arms like right in front of their eyes,

699
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:48.679
<v Speaker 2>they look like heavily mustachioed, like Ron Swanson types, or

700
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 2>like a bristle lipped cop from an old movie. And

701
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.320
<v Speaker 2>now the female of the species is much smaller, and

702
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.039
<v Speaker 2>they tend to put on more maroon splotchy patterns, so

703
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.400
<v Speaker 2>they're easily distinguished from the ma by the size and

704
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:03.679
<v Speaker 2>the color. Well, most males, and there are a lot

705
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:07.719
<v Speaker 2>of males in the breeding frenzies, which I propose I

706
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:09.639
<v Speaker 2>think they should call them cuddle parties.

707
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.599
<v Speaker 3>Hey, it's quite a battle because there's like ten males

708
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.760
<v Speaker 3>to every one female out there, so yeah, it's a

709
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:22.639
<v Speaker 3>tough it's a tough sausage parties. It's a sausage vest. Yeah.

710
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.679
<v Speaker 3>So the big males will basically battle each other. They'll wrestle,

711
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.280
<v Speaker 3>and the winner of the wrestling match, which is like

712
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:34.719
<v Speaker 3>hilarious because like watching two like comforters battle is like

713
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:35.599
<v Speaker 3>pretty funny.

714
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.800
<v Speaker 1>So there, yet there's like flu feed.

715
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 3>Tentacles everywhere, arms rather everywhere, and the winner gets access

716
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:44.920
<v Speaker 3>to the female for at least a bit of time

717
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.480
<v Speaker 3>mates with her, and then the females meanwhile mating with

718
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:51.679
<v Speaker 3>many males throughout this time period and storing the sperm

719
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.960
<v Speaker 3>from each male in these little pockets that she's got

720
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.760
<v Speaker 3>in her arms, and she's like just keeping her rolodex

721
00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.159
<v Speaker 3>of sperm ready to go. And then when she actually

722
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:01.760
<v Speaker 3>laser eggs, she gets to kind of pick who she

723
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.159
<v Speaker 3>liked and who she didn't like.

724
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Does she remember? Because I can't. That sounds like the

725
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.360
<v Speaker 2>season premiere of the Bachelor. Basically, I guess she does.

726
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>How does she do it?

727
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

728
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.119
<v Speaker 3>They're very organized, So Okay, that's already pretty cool. But

729
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:18.239
<v Speaker 3>then you have these little males and they know they

730
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 3>don't stand a chance against the big males. If they

731
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:22.119
<v Speaker 3>get in a battle, they're gonna lose. So they got

732
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 3>to think of something else to do, so they will

733
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 3>cross dress. Basically, they take those two big billowy arms

734
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.280
<v Speaker 3>in the side and they just tuck them a la

735
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Rue Paul's drag race and no they do. And then

736
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.039
<v Speaker 3>they put on this like the modey pattern of the female.

737
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:41.360
<v Speaker 3>And then they just like swim on over to the

738
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:42.320
<v Speaker 3>female and they're like.

739
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Hey girl.

740
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.039
<v Speaker 3>And then when the male is like, I'm killing it.

741
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:50.239
<v Speaker 3>I got two ladies. This is the best day ever, yo, Joe.

742
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.039
<v Speaker 3>And then while he goes to talk to his friend,

743
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:56.440
<v Speaker 3>the little male is like ps a dude mates with

744
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:59.880
<v Speaker 3>the female, leaves really fast so that he doesn't get

745
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:02.599
<v Speaker 3>it as kicked by the big male. And then when

746
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 3>the female goes to lay her eggs, so she's got

747
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:06.960
<v Speaker 3>her eggs like all back up in the mantle and

748
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 3>she fertilizes them one by one and puts them in

749
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:11.000
<v Speaker 3>a little egg clutch on the bottom of the ocean.

750
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 3>So when she goes to do that, like I said before,

751
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.960
<v Speaker 3>she can choose who she liked and those males, the

752
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:20.639
<v Speaker 3>little males that cross dress, they get a bigger proportion

753
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:24.000
<v Speaker 3>of the eggs than the big males.

754
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Why.

755
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:29.920
<v Speaker 3>I guess they want to Like maybe the females liked intelligence, Like.

756
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Hey, that was pretty smart.

757
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:34.880
<v Speaker 3>So if we're ever like, how did those stephalopods get

758
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.960
<v Speaker 3>so smart, it's like, well, here's one way they're choosing

759
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:38.280
<v Speaker 3>for it.

760
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:42.199
<v Speaker 2>So it sounds like the like the worst rom com

761
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:47.079
<v Speaker 2>plot ever. So they're able to change their pattern to

762
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>look like a lady.

763
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

764
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So it's all like so we talk about like

765
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.800
<v Speaker 3>and I might get yelled after this, but like we

766
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:57.960
<v Speaker 3>talk about gender being obviously different from sex, and you

767
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:01.559
<v Speaker 3>only have gender when there's society, you know, so like

768
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 3>we normally we're only like, well, gender is only true

769
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:05.400
<v Speaker 3>in humans because only humans have society. And it's like,

770
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.360
<v Speaker 3>and yet if you can cross stress and put on

771
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 3>different like cultural patterns and signals of being a male

772
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.960
<v Speaker 3>or female, like do cuttlefish kind of have gender?

773
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Like maybe I don't know.

774
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm not.

775
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 3>A gender and sexuality scientist. I'm a squid scientist. But

776
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:24.280
<v Speaker 3>food for thought for us to all think about as

777
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:25.039
<v Speaker 3>we go about our day.

778
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's kind of like how US ladies like

779
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.760
<v Speaker 2>funny ugly guys. Yeah, totally, You're like, you've got a

780
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:35.159
<v Speaker 2>good brain. Yeah, I don't need a jaw line. That's

781
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.039
<v Speaker 2>so fascinating. I always like to ask, is there a

782
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:41.960
<v Speaker 2>movie about cephalopods that you hate or love?

783
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:47.039
<v Speaker 3>All? Right? Whale Leagues under the Sea has a giant squid.

784
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:51.400
<v Speaker 3>There are certainly no movies about squid biologists that I'm

785
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:51.800
<v Speaker 3>aware of.

786
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Are there any sea creatures like giant squid and any

787
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:56.440
<v Speaker 2>of the pirates in the.

788
00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there is the krack and one of them. But yeah,

789
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:05.119
<v Speaker 3>we can talk about that because that kraken upsets me. Okay, So,

790
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:09.159
<v Speaker 3>like we've said, cephalopods have beaks, and this kraken when

791
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.199
<v Speaker 3>it comes out now, of course, like the kracken is

792
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.199
<v Speaker 3>a mythological creature, but the kraken that was the mythological

793
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.280
<v Speaker 3>creature we've shown it's probably a giant squid. So I

794
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:19.400
<v Speaker 3>denounced the fact that it's mythological.

795
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>It's real.

796
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.599
<v Speaker 3>Uh so whatever, soode it's like, stick with what's real.

797
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:27.840
<v Speaker 3>And so the kraken in that movie has like rings

798
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 3>of teeth like a shark sort of, but like there's

799
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 3>no beak in there. It's just rings of teeth. And

800
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, come on, man, you we have access to

801
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.559
<v Speaker 3>what those animals look like. Beaks are scary enough, we need.

802
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Rings of teeth. What a horrifying What do the beaks

803
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:43.360
<v Speaker 1>look like?

804
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.519
<v Speaker 2>And where did those come from from an evolutionary standpoint?

805
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:47.039
<v Speaker 4>Who?

806
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't know where they came from from an evolutionary standpoint,

807
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:55.000
<v Speaker 3>but they look like sharp parrot beaks kind of, they're

808
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:59.079
<v Speaker 3>like brown parrot beaks. I should have brought them because

809
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.559
<v Speaker 3>I have a collection squid peaks, which is something that

810
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:06.199
<v Speaker 3>we don't mention on the first date, which I'm going

811
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.280
<v Speaker 3>to tell you a story that I've never told on

812
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.119
<v Speaker 3>a podcast before. Yeah, So, once upon a time, I

813
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:12.119
<v Speaker 3>was going on a date with a dude whose name

814
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:15.360
<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't mention. We were hanging out and talking about

815
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.159
<v Speaker 3>raccoons and stuff, as you do on a first day,

816
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:19.800
<v Speaker 3>and then we things were going pretty well. So we

817
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.320
<v Speaker 3>were back in my apartment and then we like went

818
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 3>in my room to hang out, and then he found

819
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:28.119
<v Speaker 3>a box under my bed. It was like what it

820
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.119
<v Speaker 3>was like pretty close to that to like the it

821
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.800
<v Speaker 3>was like deep under my head. It was like pretty

822
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 3>close to the outside of my bed, and he was like, well,

823
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:35.079
<v Speaker 3>what's in the box? Thinking it would be something that

824
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.719
<v Speaker 3>would be fun for him. But I knew that that

825
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:43.119
<v Speaker 3>box had like squid peaks in it, like squid beaks,

826
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:48.840
<v Speaker 3>octopus peaks, cuddle bones, like dried flowers and like snake

827
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:49.719
<v Speaker 3>skins and stuff.

828
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.159
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, no, yeah, you.

829
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.360
<v Speaker 3>Don't want to go in there, like that's it's maybe

830
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 3>not the best idea.

831
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 1>So he was like, oh, that means I should definitely

832
00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:57.840
<v Speaker 1>go in there.

833
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.559
<v Speaker 3>So he opens it up and like, Okay, maybe recently

834
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:02.920
<v Speaker 3>I had gotten some squid and maybe I was like

835
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 3>still working on getting some of the squid chunks off

836
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.119
<v Speaker 3>of them, so I like had soaked them in this

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<v Speaker 3>like ethan all so like I So he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>wait what is this and was like already, like the

839
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<v Speaker 3>look on his face went from like this is gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be a great night to like what the fuck did

841
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<v Speaker 3>I get myself into? And I was like, oh, well,

842
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<v Speaker 3>I mean those are just like squid peaks, and I

843
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<v Speaker 3>also have some octopus and uh, cuddlefish too, and er

844
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<v Speaker 3>and then and he opened it. He opened it and

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<v Speaker 3>and then he just closed the jar, put it back

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<v Speaker 3>in the box, put the box under my bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh walked out and never talked to me. No again,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I was gonna ho I was home. No, say

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<v Speaker 1>that you're like engaged or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Not even after hanging out in a basement with his

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<v Speaker 2>chick for one hour, I can very much say his loss.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready for some rapid fire? I'm so ready

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<v Speaker 1>for some rapid Okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 5>Why did I call it Scottish cheese?

869
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<v Speaker 1>Scottish cheese, honey? And I'm not sure did.

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<v Speaker 3>The dogs in other countries speak different languages?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>The show, Okay questions yours, let's have them. Lily Massa

886
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.239
<v Speaker 2>wants to know what's the deal with squid ink?

887
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.639
<v Speaker 1>What's the deal with squid ink? So squid okay?

888
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:26.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is this is a good question because I

889
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 3>can go anywhere I want with it. So squid inc

890
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.679
<v Speaker 3>is it's a pigment that they store in their inksack

891
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:35.199
<v Speaker 3>and they primarily use it to get away from predators.

892
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>So they have two options.

893
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:40.840
<v Speaker 3>They could either make this poofy cloud that they just

894
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.519
<v Speaker 3>like like a smoke bomb, and then they disappear and

895
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.440
<v Speaker 3>confuse everybody and potentially it tastes bad to some fish.

896
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 2>So the inky like ah, you can't see me leave

897
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:51.880
<v Speaker 2>is one tactic.

898
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Another approach is.

899
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.039
<v Speaker 3>What's called a pseudomorph, So that's a blob that they

900
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:04.320
<v Speaker 3>incorporate mucus into the Uh but no, it's it's great,

901
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.000
<v Speaker 3>it's okay. I've had it all over my face before

902
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:11.119
<v Speaker 3>because I was working with a squid and it woke

903
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.000
<v Speaker 3>up in the middle of me trying to wake it

904
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 3>up really violently and just inked me right in the

905
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.440
<v Speaker 3>face and it was just like dripping off my face,

906
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:21.679
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, man, I deserved it. They'll shoot

907
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:25.519
<v Speaker 3>the pseudomorph where they were, jet away from where they are,

908
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 3>leave the blob where they were, so the shark or

909
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.639
<v Speaker 3>the big fish is like, oh, there is and then

910
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:34.800
<v Speaker 3>attacks the blob and just gets a mouthful of mucasy ink.

911
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:37.360
<v Speaker 2>How pissed would you be if you were eating a sandwich?

912
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.159
<v Speaker 2>You blink for a second, you put the sandwich your mouth.

913
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:42.119
<v Speaker 2>It's an inky, inky blob of mucus.

914
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.760
<v Speaker 1>That'd be a real bummer. Your sandwich is like, what aren't?

915
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

916
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Pissed? Pissed? So that's the deal. I didn't know that

917
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:53.760
<v Speaker 1>that's what they used it for. I thought they were

918
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:56.800
<v Speaker 1>they only produced it for pasta. That's true, they also

919
00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:57.760
<v Speaker 1>use it for pasta.

920
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Al Martinez one to know how many giant squids are there?

921
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.159
<v Speaker 2>And is there any truth to the old tails of

922
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:08.639
<v Speaker 2>giant squids attacking ships?

923
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, no, that's the question I'll answer.

924
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:15.239
<v Speaker 3>So there are most likely a shit ton of giant

925
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 3>squid because we find a lot of giant squid beaks

926
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:23.119
<v Speaker 3>in sperm whales. So we've like tried to back of

927
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:26.400
<v Speaker 3>the envelope calculate how many giant squid there are, and

928
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:28.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't have that exact number in my head, but

929
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:32.559
<v Speaker 3>they live pretty much everywhere in the deep ocean. Now,

930
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:36.039
<v Speaker 3>the reason there's this myth about them attacking ships is

931
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<v Speaker 3>that these animals are full of ammonia, which is part.

932
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<v Speaker 1>Of dealing with buoyancy.

933
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<v Speaker 3>Basically, and when they die instead of sinking like other

934
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:48.440
<v Speaker 3>squid and cuttlefish and octopus do, they float. And so

935
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:52.360
<v Speaker 3>when they're starting to feel like crap and start to die,

936
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:54.280
<v Speaker 3>they tend to just sort of like go near the

937
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:56.440
<v Speaker 3>top of the water. Yeah, we think there are a lot,

938
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.199
<v Speaker 3>a lot a lot of giant squid ooh oh, and

939
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:01.239
<v Speaker 3>they get to the top but the water when they're

940
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<v Speaker 3>sick and ships like maybe they'll just like touch the

941
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 3>side of the ship because they're like what what year

942
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<v Speaker 3>is it?

943
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Like who are you? Or are you gonna help me?

944
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:11.559
<v Speaker 3>And then they're like the sailors like, oh my god,

945
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:13.920
<v Speaker 3>it's attacking. Meanwhile it's just like on its deathbed and

946
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:15.519
<v Speaker 3>feeling like garbage.

947
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>So it's not gonna hurt you. Tell my family, I

948
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 1>love exactly exactly.

949
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<v Speaker 2>John Worster wants to know how intelligent is an octopus?

950
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Would it's intelligence level compare it to like a four

951
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:27.400
<v Speaker 2>or five year old child or is it more intelligent

952
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 2>than that?

953
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:31.239
<v Speaker 3>The short answer is like, Lord knows how smart any

954
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<v Speaker 3>given animal is.

955
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>You really, it's like a harder question than you think

956
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:34.679
<v Speaker 1>it is.

957
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:38.599
<v Speaker 3>So when you are assessing how smart an animal is

958
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:43.559
<v Speaker 3>and you're not like an animal intelligence scientist, you might think, like, okay,

959
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:46.719
<v Speaker 3>you're kind of judging the animal based on how you

960
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 3>judge human intelligence. How smart is an octopus compared to

961
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.000
<v Speaker 3>like an age of human I don't know, maybe like

962
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:54.480
<v Speaker 3>a dog.

963
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:56.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, I guess.

964
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<v Speaker 2>It also kind of depends on how sharp your kids are.

965
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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

966
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:03.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's very true. I've ever had a child or

967
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:06.639
<v Speaker 3>watched one develop. I mean, dam so as a.

968
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:08.679
<v Speaker 2>Four year old, I got my whole arm stuck in

969
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:11.880
<v Speaker 2>an escalator and they had to invent the emergency stop

970
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:15.119
<v Speaker 2>button for me and another kid whose foot got eaten off.

971
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:18.079
<v Speaker 1>So it really depends on Yeah, who's definitely wouldn't happen

972
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 1>in octagen No, so.

973
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Even if it did, it's like I have seven extra

974
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:22.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna eat this off.

975
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<v Speaker 1>We're good, okay.

976
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 2>Christa avan Pado says, are squid likely to be more

977
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:31.840
<v Speaker 2>impacted by climate change than other sea animals? Or they

978
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:34.280
<v Speaker 2>or will they be one of the species it's best

979
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:35.119
<v Speaker 2>able to adapt.

980
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.239
<v Speaker 1>So squid are doing really well right now.

981
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.239
<v Speaker 3>But we think that's more to do with the fact

982
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.239
<v Speaker 3>that we don't overfish them. So we have overfished the

983
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.599
<v Speaker 3>hell out of most fish populations. We started with the

984
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.159
<v Speaker 3>biggest fish and then we've been working our way down

985
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:52.920
<v Speaker 3>ever since, so the really small prey fish are doing

986
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:58.079
<v Speaker 3>the best. The one thing that cephalopods generally have to

987
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.440
<v Speaker 3>worry about with climate change is ocean is a vacation

988
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.239
<v Speaker 3>So basically, when the ocean is acidic, it's harder to

989
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:07.599
<v Speaker 3>build a shell, So that's going to be a problem

990
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 3>for all crustaceans and clams, bibas, whatever. Now, when they're

991
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.079
<v Speaker 3>looking at populations in the last like five ten years,

992
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.079
<v Speaker 3>all of the cephalopods that I know of are doing

993
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:20.679
<v Speaker 3>really well. But we don't have really good records of

994
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:24.400
<v Speaker 3>fisheries information for squid because back then you wouldn't need

995
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:26.800
<v Speaker 3>to eat a squid because you had cod coming out

996
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.559
<v Speaker 3>your ears. So we think they're doing all right. We

997
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 3>don't think they're in dangered. The other nice thing is

998
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:33.800
<v Speaker 3>that they have really short life spans for the purposes

999
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:35.280
<v Speaker 3>of adapting quickly.

1000
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.079
<v Speaker 1>That's great when you produce a lot of.

1001
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Your species, it leads it gives you more opportunity to

1002
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.119
<v Speaker 3>adapt quickly and evolve quickly, compared to an animal that

1003
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:48.880
<v Speaker 3>you know needs to live fifty years before it reproduces.

1004
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, so they have more iterations to kind of play

1005
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.079
<v Speaker 2>a week and yeah, see, oh that's interesting. I had

1006
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:56.400
<v Speaker 2>never thought about that. Okay, Jennifer Overbe wants to know.

1007
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Are squid social creatures? I think we just talked about

1008
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 2>how they were loaners. She said, I've only ever seen

1009
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.880
<v Speaker 2>them alone, but they must get busy every once in

1010
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.519
<v Speaker 2>a while. So with how intelligent they are, do they

1011
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.039
<v Speaker 2>have a complicated social structure.

1012
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:09.519
<v Speaker 1>So it depends on the species.

1013
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:13.159
<v Speaker 3>So some like CPA toothists, which are these like really

1014
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.440
<v Speaker 3>really beautiful squid that have the bed skirt that goes

1015
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:17.440
<v Speaker 3>all the way around, the fin that goes all the

1016
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:22.000
<v Speaker 3>way around. They will generally travel in groups of like,

1017
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.639
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, three to seven ish, and so they're

1018
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:28.280
<v Speaker 3>always hanging out together. Humboldt squid travel in huge packs. Now,

1019
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Humboldt squid are up there with some of the coolest cephalopods.

1020
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:36.079
<v Speaker 3>They're like human sized lengthwise, They're like thick and big

1021
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:39.639
<v Speaker 3>and scary, and they've they're like some people have said

1022
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.119
<v Speaker 3>that they kill people swimming, which I wouldn't put past them,

1023
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:46.000
<v Speaker 3>but I don't know if there are like recorded deaths

1024
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:49.440
<v Speaker 3>from Humboldt squid, but I would believe it.

1025
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Humboldt squid FYI also called red devils, and they're known

1026
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:58.400
<v Speaker 2>to be very intelligent, very curious, and aggressive. So those

1027
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:01.480
<v Speaker 2>beaks they have that look like bird beaks, I have

1028
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:05.239
<v Speaker 2>more bite force than an African lion, which is a

1029
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:08.440
<v Speaker 2>fact I did not need to know, and I kind

1030
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 2>of wish I didn't. I'm sorry.

1031
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<v Speaker 3>So, And they live off Baja California, and I think

1032
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.480
<v Speaker 3>in twenty ten they were coming up through, like up

1033
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:22.639
<v Speaker 3>to San Francisco. They're huge traveling pacts. They flash red

1034
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.599
<v Speaker 3>and white to communicate with each other, we think, and

1035
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.239
<v Speaker 3>they will pack hunt, which is so scary, Like as

1036
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.159
<v Speaker 3>if one humbold squid isn't scary enough, Like I people

1037
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 3>who will sometimes dive with them and literally wear like

1038
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.320
<v Speaker 3>chain mail because they don't want to get bit.

1039
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Could they eat a human? Sure? Why not? Yeah?

1040
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.480
<v Speaker 3>And then the bummer about getting eaten by a squid

1041
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.719
<v Speaker 3>is that they don't care if you're living or dead.

1042
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.119
<v Speaker 3>While they're eating you, they will like they have such

1043
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:53.920
<v Speaker 3>so many arms to grab onto you that they'll grab

1044
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:56.760
<v Speaker 3>on and like start chomping away while you're still alive.

1045
00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, God, So it's they're very scary.

1046
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<v Speaker 2>It seems like with a Humboldt squid, if they're the

1047
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:04.920
<v Speaker 2>size of a human, it would just be like getting

1048
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.559
<v Speaker 2>into a big skin sleeping bag, like you would just

1049
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:08.880
<v Speaker 2>fill their whole guts.

1050
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they might like eat part of you and

1051
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:14.039
<v Speaker 1>then drop you. Oh cool, Yeah did you share the well? Yeah? Absolutely,

1052
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Like anyone watch some of this? Yeah, well, you're gonna

1053
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:17.440
<v Speaker 1>become marine snow.

1054
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Mike Ramsey wants to know every once in a while,

1055
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:21.800
<v Speaker 2>a strange creature washes up on a beach somewhere and

1056
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.800
<v Speaker 2>may often be described as squid like but of unknown classification.

1057
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Is anyone maintaining a database of unknown sea creatures If

1058
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.239
<v Speaker 2>there's no immediate obvious classification and no easy way to

1059
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.039
<v Speaker 2>find living specimens, does anyone research these things?

1060
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 3>So? I think a lot of times when things wash

1061
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:43.159
<v Speaker 3>up that could be cephalopods, but that we don't really know,

1062
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.599
<v Speaker 3>Like cephalopods degrade really fast.

1063
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 1>They don't have they're like.

1064
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So for example, if one of my squid dies

1065
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:56.000
<v Speaker 3>in the tank the next morning, it'll already start to

1066
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:58.639
<v Speaker 3>come apart if I leave it till the afternoon, Like

1067
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.480
<v Speaker 3>it's body parts will start falling off, and this is

1068
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:03.119
<v Speaker 3>like this is like just in like a tank where

1069
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:04.840
<v Speaker 3>there's not a lot of like wave action. By the

1070
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:06.719
<v Speaker 3>next morning, if I pick it up, it will fall

1071
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:10.960
<v Speaker 3>through my fingers liquid. So like identifying positively a lot

1072
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:13.440
<v Speaker 3>of this stuff is really hard to do. So that's

1073
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.039
<v Speaker 3>probably why they're saying like unidentified. Yeah it was a cephalopod,

1074
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:17.960
<v Speaker 3>but like what was it?

1075
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:18.519
<v Speaker 1>Lord knows.

1076
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Brian Edge wants to know how threatened are the not

1077
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:24.760
<v Speaker 2>alloid populations. They've always been one of my favorite cephalopods.

1078
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Great choice.

1079
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.719
<v Speaker 3>The notolids are in bad shape right now because we

1080
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:32.559
<v Speaker 3>keep collecting them for their shells. Their shells are gorgeous

1081
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:35.199
<v Speaker 3>and if you cut them in half that you see

1082
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:38.480
<v Speaker 3>like these different chambers that the animal used to live in.

1083
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:42.960
<v Speaker 3>But they reproduce pretty slowly and they don't produce as

1084
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 3>much as many offspring per nautilus as the squid do.

1085
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.559
<v Speaker 3>So but go online and look up the nautilus breeding

1086
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:55.000
<v Speaker 3>program at the Moderai Bay Aquarium because you have these

1087
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:58.679
<v Speaker 3>like little baby nautilus videos and they're so cute, Like

1088
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:02.679
<v Speaker 3>cuttlefish look like just tiny fully formed cuttlefish, which are

1089
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:04.679
<v Speaker 3>so cute that it hurts a little bit, and nautilus

1090
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.800
<v Speaker 3>is the same way. They come out pretty big and

1091
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:11.239
<v Speaker 3>they just look like fully formed nautilus but small with

1092
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:15.840
<v Speaker 3>a shell with a shellaby, it's really just so cute.

1093
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:19.800
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so don't buy nautilus shells because you're depleting

1094
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:21.840
<v Speaker 3>the population and we gotta cool it.

1095
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's three D print some Yeah, sure, are there

1096
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:27.760
<v Speaker 2>enough people studying the squid.

1097
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 1>And octopus and cuttlefish.

1098
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:34.119
<v Speaker 3>There's not enough government money to fund people studying cephalopods.

1099
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:35.760
<v Speaker 3>There should be more because they're so dope and we

1100
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.760
<v Speaker 3>can learn so much from Like understanding how they're doing

1101
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:41.199
<v Speaker 3>this stuff is really important for like engineering purposes down

1102
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 3>the line. What my work is doing is really more

1103
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.239
<v Speaker 3>about understanding how your microbiome stays healthy.

1104
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there's a lot to learn from these animals.

1105
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:54.000
<v Speaker 1>It's super cool. Also, octopuses at the pusses. I know

1106
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:55.599
<v Speaker 1>you want it to be octopi. We all do, we

1107
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:58.039
<v Speaker 1>all octopi sounds nice. At the pusses, you have to

1108
00:53:58.039 --> 00:53:58.679
<v Speaker 1>say pusses.

1109
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.440
<v Speaker 3>Man. I know it's a stone cold summer, but it's

1110
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:02.960
<v Speaker 3>it's what.

1111
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:04.039
<v Speaker 1>It's the fact of life.

1112
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.079
<v Speaker 3>So you just gotta just get up in the mirror

1113
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 3>look at yourself and just say octopuses and keep a

1114
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:11.480
<v Speaker 3>straight face. And then when you can do it, you've

1115
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.800
<v Speaker 3>made it. Then then you can apply to be a

1116
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:14.880
<v Speaker 3>cephalopod biologist.

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00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>If you can say octopuses, I got a way to go.

1118
00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what about your job sucks the most?

1119
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:25.159
<v Speaker 1>What do you hate? Is I mean tanks? Is it? Probably?

1120
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:25.960
<v Speaker 2>So?

1121
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Probably?

1122
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Like dead shrimp is the worst part of my job

1123
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:36.840
<v Speaker 3>because they turn like pink and get goofy and like

1124
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:39.400
<v Speaker 3>that's and they smell pretty bad. So that's the one

1125
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:42.400
<v Speaker 3>of the worst parts of my job and that's normally

1126
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:46.280
<v Speaker 3>what I say. But also, like the worst part maybe

1127
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:49.599
<v Speaker 3>of being a squid biologist specifically is people. And you

1128
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.280
<v Speaker 3>can cut this if you want, but people will like,

1129
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.760
<v Speaker 3>no joke, send me technacal porn on the internet, and

1130
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, but like, people will no joke, be like, oh,

1131
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:00.920
<v Speaker 3>you're into tentacle porn like in college, Like I'm really not,

1132
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:03.599
<v Speaker 3>Like that really upsets me because these square are these nice,

1133
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:05.320
<v Speaker 3>lovely little animals, like.

1134
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Why, But also, don't send it to someone unless they

1135
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:08.760
<v Speaker 2>request it.

1136
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, ess, Actually someone that really cares about the welfare cephalopods,

1137
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:18.360
<v Speaker 5>like God, So that happens to me more than I

1138
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 5>that's probably the worst part.

1139
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.840
<v Speaker 3>Like I can I can like pick up thirty dead

1140
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.880
<v Speaker 3>shrimp and be like I had a really good day today,

1141
00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:29.159
<v Speaker 3>But like any day that somebody sends me squid porn

1142
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.960
<v Speaker 3>is a bad day, at least a bad afternoon.

1143
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:38.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm like report, like, no, please don't. What is the

1144
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 1>best thing about your job?

1145
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:41.840
<v Speaker 3>The best thing about my job right now is watching

1146
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:44.960
<v Speaker 3>a baby baby squid. So when they first hatch, their

1147
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:46.920
<v Speaker 3>like the size of the head of a pin, and

1148
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:49.280
<v Speaker 3>they'll take down these shrimp called mycens they're about like

1149
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.639
<v Speaker 3>four times as big as them, and it's that's very cute.

1150
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:55.679
<v Speaker 3>But when they transition from little shrimp to big shrimp,

1151
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.360
<v Speaker 3>it's hilarious because these little squid that are maybe like

1152
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.159
<v Speaker 3>a quarter of a marble in size, we'll tackle these

1153
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:06.159
<v Speaker 3>big shrimp and it's like hilarious because they've got this

1154
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:08.599
<v Speaker 3>huge shrimp in their mouth and they're like trying to

1155
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.719
<v Speaker 3>swim and like control where this big shrimp goes. And

1156
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:14.800
<v Speaker 3>that means that I can now pay a little less

1157
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:16.960
<v Speaker 3>money to feed them, which is great, and it means

1158
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:19.000
<v Speaker 3>that they're gonna make it, because that's the hardest part

1159
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:21.559
<v Speaker 3>of raising a squid, getting it into transition to bigger shrimp.

1160
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:24.559
<v Speaker 3>And if they make that transition, it's like I've done it.

1161
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:26.400
<v Speaker 3>Like that's like sending your kid to college. Like you

1162
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 3>did it. You didn't screw it up. Everything is good,

1163
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.719
<v Speaker 3>and it's just like so stupid cute. I can't handle it.

1164
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:33.840
<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of when like a tiny poodle is

1165
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:34.880
<v Speaker 2>carrying a huge stick.

1166
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, No, it's exactly like that. Oh, it's just like that,

1167
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:39.400
<v Speaker 1>but with more arms.

1168
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:42.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they'll like stretch all their stupid little arms

1169
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:44.400
<v Speaker 3>around the shrimp body and it cracks me up.

1170
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I forgot to ask you entirely. And then how can

1171
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:48.079
<v Speaker 2>people get involved with skype A Scientists.

1172
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:51.000
<v Speaker 3>And basically it's a program where we match up scientists

1173
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.639
<v Speaker 3>and either classrooms or groups of adults that like learning

1174
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:57.079
<v Speaker 3>so that they can have these like thirty to sixty

1175
00:56:57.079 --> 00:56:59.519
<v Speaker 3>minute question and answer sessions with a scientist.

1176
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Skype A Scientist isn't just for school kids. They just

1177
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:06.159
<v Speaker 2>expanded to just adults. So if you're a book club

1178
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.559
<v Speaker 2>or a library group, you can sign up and you

1179
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:11.159
<v Speaker 2>can gather and you can chat with one of over

1180
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:15.480
<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundred scientists who have already signed up. You can

1181
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.159
<v Speaker 2>go to skypeoscientist dot com and you can click for

1182
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.719
<v Speaker 2>more info. If you're a scientist or if you're someone

1183
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:23.159
<v Speaker 2>who wants to talk to one, click the teacher button.

1184
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:26.840
<v Speaker 2>So it's also not just for Skype. You can FaceTime

1185
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:28.840
<v Speaker 2>or video hangout. But it was like, I mean, let's

1186
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.280
<v Speaker 2>be honest, Google Plus hangout a scientist just does not

1187
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:33.920
<v Speaker 2>have a ring to it, so they just call it

1188
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Skype a scientist.

1189
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Every scientist loves answering questions about their work. They're spending

1190
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:41.079
<v Speaker 3>their whole life working on it, So just tweet at them.

1191
00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:43.199
<v Speaker 3>Probably they're gonna be happy that somebody talk to them

1192
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:44.519
<v Speaker 3>and cares about their science.

1193
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:46.079
<v Speaker 1>That's such solid advice.

1194
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.159
<v Speaker 2>I think so many people figure that, Like if you

1195
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:51.079
<v Speaker 2>were to tap the shoulder of a working scientist, they

1196
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:52.760
<v Speaker 2>would rear back in a lab and say it how

1197
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:53.239
<v Speaker 2>to tell you?

1198
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:54.360
<v Speaker 1>It's nice to know that.

1199
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:56.440
<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh no, sweet, I'm just like walking through

1200
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:58.079
<v Speaker 2>them all And I can totally answer that right now

1201
00:57:58.119 --> 00:57:59.360
<v Speaker 2>waiting for a smoothie, Right.

1202
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally. I think.

1203
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the movies and TV give signed to such a

1204
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.159
<v Speaker 3>bad rep like we're friendly and like talking to other people.

1205
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.559
<v Speaker 3>Most of the time, there's no reason to not talk

1206
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:11.760
<v Speaker 3>to us. And a lot of times, like if you're

1207
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:15.400
<v Speaker 3>studying some weird thing like bobtails, squinson biosis or whatever,

1208
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.800
<v Speaker 3>like you probably don't think people care some of the time.

1209
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.199
<v Speaker 3>So like when people do care, it's like awesome, Like, yeah,

1210
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:22.480
<v Speaker 3>let'st my favorite thing.

1211
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Of course I want to talk about this. So yeah,

1212
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:28.079
<v Speaker 1>don't be afraid of us. Okay, thank you so so

1213
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:30.159
<v Speaker 1>much for me, and I'm so excited.

1214
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was only like several months of like

1215
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:33.039
<v Speaker 2>mildly stalking you.

1216
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:34.840
<v Speaker 1>That's fine, And where you're gonna.

1217
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Be around it's me again.

1218
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:37.280
<v Speaker 1>It's such a creep.

1219
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:40.360
<v Speaker 2>So it should be noted that during this interview we

1220
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:42.079
<v Speaker 2>also pause for a moment and we both did our

1221
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:44.880
<v Speaker 2>best impressions of squid and cuttlefish dances for each other.

1222
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Hers was amazing, and if you ever see her or

1223
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:52.280
<v Speaker 2>this squidmobile out in Philly and say hello, she says

1224
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:54.360
<v Speaker 2>you have to buy her a beer to see her

1225
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:58.679
<v Speaker 2>squid dance performed, which is fair. Also, we got locked

1226
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:00.880
<v Speaker 2>in this library basement for like five or ten minutes

1227
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:03.159
<v Speaker 2>after the interview. We couldn't get out, which was scary,

1228
00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:05.159
<v Speaker 2>but Honestly, I wouldn't have changed it for the world.

1229
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:09.599
<v Speaker 2>It was a good time. So Internet befriend doctor Sarah MacNulty.

1230
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:12.559
<v Speaker 2>You can follow her on Twitter or Instagram at Sarah

1231
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:16.119
<v Speaker 2>macattack or at Skype scientist. We will link those in

1232
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:18.760
<v Speaker 2>the show notes. You can sign up for squid facts

1233
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:20.880
<v Speaker 2>that are texted right to your phone one eight three

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00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.880
<v Speaker 2>to three side text one eight three three seven two

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<v Speaker 2>four eighty three ninety eight. I hope we don't break

1236
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:31.559
<v Speaker 2>her text robot. Also her Atlas Obscure class on Animals

1237
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:33.639
<v Speaker 2>doing the Nasties in June and the Squidly one is

1238
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:36.239
<v Speaker 2>in September. I will link those on my website. She

1239
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.400
<v Speaker 2>also gives advice to anyone wanting to get involved with

1240
00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 2>squid on a professional level. She says, just start working

1241
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:43.960
<v Speaker 2>with animals in general as soon as you can in

1242
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:48.119
<v Speaker 2>any capacity, and don't be afraid to do disgusting work. Also,

1243
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.920
<v Speaker 2>since this episode aired, Doctor MacNulty and I did keep

1244
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.920
<v Speaker 2>in touch. In twenty nineteen, I joined her in Hawaii

1245
00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:58.199
<v Speaker 2>with Atlas Obscura to help her collect a few bobtail

1246
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:00.920
<v Speaker 2>squid for her studies. Out there at midnight looking for

1247
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.840
<v Speaker 2>squid with flashlights in the ocean with her. She came

1248
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:06.880
<v Speaker 2>to La. She stays at my place when she's in La.

1249
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.920
<v Speaker 2>We gave a talk in a park about science. We

1250
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:13.000
<v Speaker 2>text pretty much every day. She's become a really really

1251
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.000
<v Speaker 2>close friend of mine and I love her. She came

1252
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:17.679
<v Speaker 2>all the way out from Philly for our wedding, right, Jarrett,

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<v Speaker 2>that is correct. That is correct. She was at our wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>So twelve out of ten would climb into a Cephala

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<v Speaker 2>podcar with a stranger four years ago. Again in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>What a gem. So thank you to her for being

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<v Speaker 2>on the show. And thanks to Aaron Talbert, who admins

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<v Speaker 2>the Ologies podcast Facebook group with help from Bonnie Dutch

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<v Speaker 2>and Shannon Feltus. Thank you to all the patrons for

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<v Speaker 2>financially making this podcast possible. You really are the enge

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<v Speaker 2>behind this. That is at patreon dot com slash Ologies.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you to Emily White the Wordery for making our

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<v Speaker 2>professional transcripts. Caleb Patton bleeps them. Those are up at

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<v Speaker 2>alleyware dot com slash Ologies Dash extras for free. Susan

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<v Speaker 2>Hale handles so much business stuff. Noel Dilworth is amazing

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<v Speaker 2>and does our scheduling. Kelly R. Dwyer updates our website.

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<v Speaker 2>She can also design yours. Every few weeks we have

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<v Speaker 2>a kid friendly version drop. We call those smologies, and

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<v Speaker 2>Zeke Rodriguez Thomas of Mindgem Media makes those of us

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<v Speaker 2>and the shimmer in my chromatophores, which I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that that makes sense biologically, and lead editor is refreshing

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<v Speaker 2>this episode. We are in a car again, parked in

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<v Speaker 2>a hospital parking lot. This has been.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably the hardest couple of days of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>If I talk about it, I will start crying, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna get into it. But but thank you

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Sleeper. You've been here for days as I'm up

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<v Speaker 2>in the ICU with my grandpa. So shit, you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, So thank you Jared Sleeper for you. Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Thorburn of the band Islands did the music. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>crying at all. That's rumor. It's been really tough you guys, duh.

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<v Speaker 2>But but I just anyone who goes into medicine and

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<v Speaker 2>takes care of people, just fuck you're awesome. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you're out there and you're listening and you're wearing scrubs,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you just bought them, they look cool, I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you so much, and yeah, thank you for all

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<v Speaker 2>the good cosmic vibes. It's really knowing that I can

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<v Speaker 2>put this out as an encore episode and that even

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<v Speaker 2>that there are five people listening to the end of

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<v Speaker 2>this is really makes my life so much easier. So

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<v Speaker 2>I get that's part of my secret. The secret I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to tell you is that sometimes I feed

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<v Speaker 2>my dog's boogers to her because she loves them. But

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's a better secret. It's so gross, she loves

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<v Speaker 2>to eat them. And I didn't even know dogs like

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<v Speaker 2>doing that until my friend Simone told me, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I wonder Grammy would line, And she loves them,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's like freedoms to her and it's so gross,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't want to deprive her anyway. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this. Hopefully back with a fresh episode next week.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, please hug everyone, Okay, by bye, pacadermastology, homeology,

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<v Speaker 2>crypto zoology, lithology, minology, meteorology, betterology, anthology, seriology, something