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<v Speaker 1>Callaroga Shark Media been there. I'm Johnny Mack with your

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<v Speaker 1>daily comedy news Jim Gaffing. Until the La Times that

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<v Speaker 1>stand up has changed so much, to the notion that

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<v Speaker 1>people are putting out multiple specials didn't exist when I

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<v Speaker 1>started stand up. But I think that people who consume

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<v Speaker 1>a stand up comedian's material, there's a familiarity, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a friendship. You can't have the exact same conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though we all have friends where it's like we're

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<v Speaker 1>having the same conversation about high school. It has to

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<v Speaker 1>be different. You both have to challenge each other. So

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<v Speaker 1>for me working on the special or working on this

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<v Speaker 1>new hour that I'm working on now, it's self assignment.

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<v Speaker 1>So some of it. Any creative person's like, what can

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<v Speaker 1>I talk about that is embarrassing or revealing. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that people that have tracked me along the way in

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<v Speaker 1>my stand up would be interested in my view and parenting.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always had the view that I suck at it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have greater empathy for what all parents are

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with, and I think also parents of this era,

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<v Speaker 1>we've made mistakes and it doesn't help. With social media

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<v Speaker 1>and the apps and the screens. And that's something that's

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<v Speaker 1>revealed in doing my stand up and in reading some

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<v Speaker 1>of the parenting books. Parents of teenagers have this perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>Adults have an impression of what their teenage years were like,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm providing this point of view about what it's

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<v Speaker 1>like to live with these people. It's kind of a cliche

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<v Speaker 1>raising teenagers is like raising a mentally ill person. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds harsh. We know this is a natural separation process

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<v Speaker 1>where teenagers challenge things. But I love that I've gained

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<v Speaker 1>this perspective of was my data jerkface? Or maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>was a jerk face? He used the D word. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of basic, but that's something that's universal. We

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<v Speaker 1>all went through being teenagers, and not necessarily the conflict,

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<v Speaker 1>but the misunderstanding between the teenager and the parent, which

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<v Speaker 1>I find fascinating. Jim Jeffreys told Rolling Stone that he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to act more. Name dropper Jim said, I texted

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<v Speaker 1>Russell Crowe excuse me, and I said, Russell, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>an acting job. Can I call you quickly for some tips?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think he thought I just wanted acting tips,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was asking him more about when you talk

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<v Speaker 1>to a director, what do you do here? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>too much for me to add a line here or there?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you not do that? In trauma? But Russell sent

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<v Speaker 1>me a quote from Hamlet and told me to hold

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<v Speaker 1>up a mirror to nature and I went, thanks, mate.

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<v Speaker 1>Rolling Stone asked him if stand up could take a

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<v Speaker 1>back seat to film. Jim said, that's like saying, do

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<v Speaker 1>you think you'll have sex with more tractive women? It's

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<v Speaker 1>not my decision, is it. They get to make the choice. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously I'm joking, I'm a happily married man. Blah blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. But you get what I'm saying. It's

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<v Speaker 1>up to the movie industry. It's not up to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at Sammy Davis Junior. I watched a documentary

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<v Speaker 1>about him. He was a really good singer, an amazing dancer,

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<v Speaker 1>and outstanding impersonator and all that type of stuff. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a ball of entertainment, and I'd like to be that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the idea that I can entertain at any time.

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<v Speaker 1>So whether it be TV presenting or acting or doing

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<v Speaker 1>stand up, I just consider myself to be an entertainer

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost. I don't think I can because of

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<v Speaker 1>my voice or whatever. But I'd like to do a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of musical theater or something like that. I'd give

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<v Speaker 1>that a crack. I'm up for doing everything but juggling

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<v Speaker 1>and mime. Anthony Jesson expoke to crack dot com about

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<v Speaker 1>his influences Stephen Right, Ronnie Dangershfield, and Mitch Hedberg. They

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<v Speaker 1>were curious where he discovered those guys. Anthony said, it

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<v Speaker 1>must have been late night TV as a kid, waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for those last five minutes of Carson to see who

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<v Speaker 1>would show up. I remember watching a lot of end

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<v Speaker 1>of Carson's waiting for Letterman to come on. They would

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<v Speaker 1>usually have a comic at the end. I'm sure, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen writes HBO special at some point, but I must

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<v Speaker 1>have been introduced through late night sets Hebburg. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>find out about until i'd been doing comedy for about

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<v Speaker 1>a year, but Stephen Wright was the first, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Dangerfield was like, oh, I'm into this guy too. But

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Wright to me was huge. Did Jessinic try and mimic,

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<v Speaker 1>writs Cadence. He said, no, surprisingly not. You could say

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher walk In for sure has had an impact on

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<v Speaker 1>how I speak, even though my dad gets the same comparison,

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<v Speaker 1>But Stephen Wright was almost too much of a departure

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<v Speaker 1>from my character. Maybe there would have been a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years in college when I was smoking too much

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<v Speaker 1>pot that I could have had a Hebburg kind of personality.

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<v Speaker 1>But I never had that burnout thing either, which just

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<v Speaker 1>more of how did they think of? That? Crazy twist?

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<v Speaker 1>Never really entered into my persona with my friends in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning. Has the Anthony Justinic character evolved over time,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, I think of the character as an

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<v Speaker 1>aging punk rocker. At this point. In the beginning, it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, there are no lines. If everybody offend everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go. And I'm glad I did that in my

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<v Speaker 1>twenties and that helped me out a lot my idols

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<v Speaker 1>who have softened as they get older. I find that

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<v Speaker 1>to be interesting, and as the world changes, you find

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<v Speaker 1>yourself going from the villain of the hero. My past

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<v Speaker 1>is my past, then I'll never apologize for it or

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<v Speaker 1>try to whitewash it. But I think I've gained a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of wisdom, a lot of knowledge and life experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that I've softened and that the act isn't

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<v Speaker 1>as hardcore as it used to be. I think that's good,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's more interesting. I don't think of

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<v Speaker 1>the character evolving, but as I write, I'm reacting to

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<v Speaker 1>what's popular around me. If the biggest comics in the

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<v Speaker 1>world started getting real family friendly, maybe I would go

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<v Speaker 1>darker and would go harder. There's plenty of comics now

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<v Speaker 1>that are just as dark and hardcore as I used

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<v Speaker 1>to be. It's next part too justting listen to this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they lack my writing talent now. I just

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of culture personality. I think having a

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<v Speaker 1>popular podcast is more important than having a good act.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how it dies with the podcasting. You don't really

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<v Speaker 1>have to do anything other than have a popular podcast

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<v Speaker 1>to sell tickets, and you'll have a great show because

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<v Speaker 1>the audience loves it, and you're never really testing anything out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I see all these podcasts put out a special.

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<v Speaker 1>They're immediately savage by critics and forgotten about to the

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<v Speaker 1>point that people don't even want to write about it,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's no point in writing a negative review of

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<v Speaker 1>something that's just friends hanging out, which is what comedy's becoming.

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<v Speaker 1>He's both not wrong and somewhat wrong. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>get what he's saying about things having less artistic reaching.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, from the consumer point of view, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I went out, I saw somebody I dig. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a good time and laughed, and I went home hopefully,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm home by ten thirty because I'm old. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there's anything wrong with that. Not everything has

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<v Speaker 1>to be art, and I know I sometimes argue that

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<v Speaker 1>both ways, but I don't know. If you go out

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<v Speaker 1>and you have a good time, that's fine. Like as

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<v Speaker 1>I reviewed these specials, some of them are just fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I can be a comedy snob, I admit it. Shang Wang,

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<v Speaker 1>I like him a lot. He spoke to The Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Standard talked about his friendship with Ali Wang, who executive

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<v Speaker 1>produced a special, and said, yeah, she's a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>We met in the early days of doing stand up.

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<v Speaker 1>We were both in the open mic scene in San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco in the early two thousands, and we've been friends

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<v Speaker 1>ever since. I mean we got closer later on. We

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<v Speaker 1>She moved to LA to be a writer, and I

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<v Speaker 1>followed her out there, And so I've been sort of

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<v Speaker 1>following her footsteps and just kind of following her playbook

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<v Speaker 1>in a way, so to speak. I kind of live

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<v Speaker 1>in the ghost of Alley's past. I have her old furniture,

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<v Speaker 1>her old couch or old nightstand, and I might even

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<v Speaker 1>tape my second special where she taped her second special.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just kind of following the Alley Wong playbook

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<v Speaker 1>in a weird way because it works. But I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for our friendship and for all the sports she's

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<v Speaker 1>given me. It's pretty incredible to have a friend like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's an incredibly talented person, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's also helpful to have a friend succeed to that

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more accessible, like these things are possible. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps when she produces a direction comedy special. JB.

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<v Speaker 1>Smooth as advice for aspiring comics, it is find who

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<v Speaker 1>you are, constantly work on your style, matristylity of personality,

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<v Speaker 1>say things that only you would say, and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>what you know about. Don't be stuck in one place.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great to have material, but you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a robot. You want to be able to connect

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<v Speaker 1>that microphone, you're fifty percent there already fifty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>what it takes is to get up there. There's rules,

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<v Speaker 1>a presence on stage, you gotta have a certain amount

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<v Speaker 1>of last person minute. But you don't have to go

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<v Speaker 1>buy those rules. There's something being offbeat and true to

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<v Speaker 1>yourself and talking about what you know about, which is

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely golden because you're taking people on vacation, on a

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<v Speaker 1>trip through your brain. Kevin Nielan said cancel culture has

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<v Speaker 1>stifled some comedians. For someone like me, I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a problem with it because I never really ventured in

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<v Speaker 1>that area. I may touch on something where someone's like,

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<v Speaker 1>hey man, you can't do that, but some people get

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<v Speaker 1>away with still. I don't really have a problem with

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<v Speaker 1>the woke stuff. Although my wife and son won't come

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<v Speaker 1>to see my shows because they're afraid I'll get canceled

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<v Speaker 1>and be the last person to get canceled. People won't

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<v Speaker 1>even cancel my reservation if I don't show up. I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of comedians hopefully will evolve, like people

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<v Speaker 1>do in their profession or whatever it is, They'll find

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<v Speaker 1>better ways of doing it. I always try to be

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<v Speaker 1>unique in my voice, because that's what matters, That's how

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<v Speaker 1>you stand apart from other comedians. Now that we have

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<v Speaker 1>zillions of comedians, it's hard for comedians to become unique

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<v Speaker 1>or be unique and also have something original say that

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<v Speaker 1>isn't about McDonald's or whatever. A hard reporter I spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to Matt Rife who said other comics have told me

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<v Speaker 1>they miss not only the pace of stand up, but

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<v Speaker 1>the level of control. Do you want to be an actor? Right? Said?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like I need control. I'm not a

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<v Speaker 1>point now where I want to learn something new. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get better at something else. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting so much better, so much faster at stand up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm learning how to hopefully prepare for a lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>of this, And now that I see that that's achievable,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, awesome. What are some other skills that

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<v Speaker 1>I can sharpen along the way that are only going

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<v Speaker 1>to help everything else that I do. The better comedian

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<v Speaker 1>I am, the more people are gonna want to watch

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<v Speaker 1>the movies that I'm in, and the more movies I'm in,

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<v Speaker 1>Sandler type movies. I might have to quit the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the ones who did best, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>That's my dream. Comedians who took their fan base into

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<v Speaker 1>that I'd love to try to emulate, and he's done

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<v Speaker 1>everything new top Egg Mett Rife, Who do you see

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<v Speaker 1>is your core audience at this point? Young people, older women?

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<v Speaker 1>Rife said, it's a mix of everybody, which is so

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<v Speaker 1>crazy and so cool. That's a non answer. Nobody has everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>most comedians, and this is exactly why you'd asked this question.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a relatively specific audience, whether it's a specific

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<v Speaker 1>race or gender or age range. But for us, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of everybody. There's many people in their early twenties

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<v Speaker 1>as there are fifty and up, just people who love comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>What's on your bucket list? I'd love to do more

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Carolla and Jay Leno are getting ready to do

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<v Speaker 1>a Comedy Fantasy Camp in La January twenty third through

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty sixth. The four day camp offers workshops, Q

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<v Speaker 1>and as and panels on all things comedy, from TV

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<v Speaker 1>writing and podcasting to performing on stage. The Rap spoke

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<v Speaker 1>with them. They pointed out that Adam's from Southern California,

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<v Speaker 1>Jay's from Boston. Is there a difference between the comic

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Mark Twain said travel is the enemy of bigotry,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact is more you travel, the more you

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<v Speaker 1>can pick things up and take them from other people.

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<v Speaker 1>When I started to get popular in Boston and I

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<v Speaker 1>left town because I was gonna wind up having a

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<v Speaker 1>Boston base act. And I left and I said, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go someplace else. But back in New England, I

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's good to travel around. If you

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<v Speaker 1>got a joke that works in Texas and Anchorage, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna work everywhere. Awful things happen to you your first

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<v Speaker 1>Takes three or four years before things clicked. This sounds horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>You sort of learn who's in town, who's a real agent,

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<v Speaker 1>takes a while. It's a lot of fun. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>I'd do it until I had to get a real job.

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<v Speaker 1>I just never had to get a real job. It's

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I saw it at the comedy store. It

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<v Speaker 1>became people just live there. You're doing coke in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>You have jokes about the thing on the wall the

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<v Speaker 1>to a real place and it doesn't have those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody knows what you're talking about. I'd say that happen

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