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<v Speaker 1>About a total of eight hundred and thirteen more vpc

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<v Speaker 1>since that drop happened, and if we go back six months,

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<v Speaker 1>they've added a total of about sixty four point three

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<v Speaker 1>k bitcoin worth tens of billions of dollars, I believe,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's still looking quite strong from sharks and

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<v Speaker 1>wales right now. And I think we mentioned it the

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<v Speaker 1>last time we talked about The only concern I have

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<v Speaker 1>is that stable coins aren't really being accumulated, so the

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<v Speaker 1>dry powder that implies that whales and sharks have more

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<v Speaker 1>and more and more to swap for bitcoin. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>little on the limited side because they've already been swapping

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<v Speaker 1>so much tether and USD coin.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome into the Thinking Crypto Podcast. I'm your host, Tony Edward,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have Brian from Sentiment with me, and of course, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>you know we're going to do a deep dive into

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<v Speaker 2>the metrics in what's happening with bitcoin and all coins

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<v Speaker 2>and even XRP. As we got news that the XRP

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<v Speaker 2>or the first XRP ETF SPOTTYTF has been following in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States by bit Wise Brian. Great to see you,

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<v Speaker 2>Great to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, lots going on. We obviously had a correction in

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<v Speaker 1>the past three to four days after one of the

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<v Speaker 1>more predictable tops. I wouldn't say it was just an

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<v Speaker 1>obvious given, but Friday was kind of when we were

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<v Speaker 1>seeing peak euphoria. And sure enough, you know, about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours after that, midway through the weekend, we start

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<v Speaker 1>to see this nosedive from a lot of crypto prices.

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<v Speaker 1>So many people are trying to figure out what to

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<v Speaker 1>do next, and that's what we'll try to do here

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<v Speaker 1>on the call. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And you know, as it relates a Bitcoin, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been telling people like, be cautiously optimistic. We don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if the bottom is in yet, and there could still

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<v Speaker 2>be more volatility before we actually start breaking out to

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<v Speaker 2>new all time highs. And then Brian to your boy, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're thrown into the mix a bunch of macro news

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<v Speaker 2>about war and this and that. It just adds fuel

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<v Speaker 2>to the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally. Yeah. I mean there's there's always real world news

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<v Speaker 1>that can throw a wrench into what the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>probable direction was going to be in crypto, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think with the news that kind of broke in the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East, there's a lot more reasons than just whales

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, fomo and fud among the crowd that

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<v Speaker 1>are causing price havoc right now, So let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a look at the data and what is it

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<v Speaker 2>telling us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course, So we'll start with just a quick

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<v Speaker 1>update on what we saw Friday. We posted this out

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<v Speaker 1>to the public. It actually went super viral. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a little unexpected that it got quite as much attention

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<v Speaker 1>as it did, but we basically said, you know, sentiment

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<v Speaker 1>is at a year high in terms of bullishness. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the ratio of positive comments versus negative comments. Using

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<v Speaker 1>our algorithm, which is not a perfect science, but a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good one, we're able to pick up if someone

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, mentioned bitcoin in a positive light versus

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<v Speaker 1>a negative light. You know, if people are saying I'm

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<v Speaker 1>buying or to the moon and stuff and it isn't sarcasm,

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<v Speaker 1>right like, we're able to pick up that it's bullish.

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<v Speaker 1>And long story short, we see this huge, huge spike

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<v Speaker 1>in euphoria after this fifteen to twenty percent. I forget

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what the rise was, but around that range bounce

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<v Speaker 1>right here, and we're kind of flattening out right at

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<v Speaker 1>that moment, and we warned people. We basically just said,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're awaiting bitcoins a new all time high, it

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<v Speaker 1>may need to wait until the crowd slows down their

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<v Speaker 1>own expectations. There are currently one point eight bullish posts

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<v Speaker 1>toward bitcoin for every one bearage post, and I'd say

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<v Speaker 1>it averages maybe more like one point two to one.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always a little bit of a bullish bias. People

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to just be on social media talking natively

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<v Speaker 1>about crypto. They're into it for a reason. They expect

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<v Speaker 1>prices to go up long term. But when it goes up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, almost two to one like this, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>sign that we're getting pretty overheated and people are putting

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<v Speaker 1>a little too much by pressure without any cell pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>And in a zero sum game you always need both

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<v Speaker 1>or else prices tend to suddenly pivot and go the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite direction. And that's exactly what happened. And now everyone's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Santon, it sort of knows what we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and excuse me. The question is where are we now.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many different things we can look through. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>try to get through some of what the crowd is

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<v Speaker 1>doing at this moment. After the mini collapse that we

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<v Speaker 1>saw as well as how the whales are accumulating. And

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<v Speaker 1>you can see right here just off of prices mostly

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<v Speaker 1>you see have read over the past week. This is

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<v Speaker 1>from last Wednesday to this Wednesday. It's only down to

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<v Speaker 1>Modust two and a half percent. Ethereum down about six percent,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can see especially assets like Manarow which are

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<v Speaker 1>still getting delistings from major exchange right now, dropping sixteen percent.

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<v Speaker 1>There's still some mean coins doing quite well. You can

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<v Speaker 1>see shiba Enu up eight percent in the past week,

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<v Speaker 1>Pepe up fourteen, up seventeen. We'll dive into how mean

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<v Speaker 1>coin performances are looking as of now towards the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the call. But I think another thing, as we

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<v Speaker 1>alluded to at the beginning, this is very much being

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<v Speaker 1>impacted by the war concerns. We saw the same phenomenon

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<v Speaker 1>going back to twenty twenty two with the Ukraine and

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<v Speaker 1>Russia war news when that first broke back in I

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<v Speaker 1>think oct what was it the early part of this year,

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<v Speaker 1>something like April or May, when we really started to

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<v Speaker 1>see the Israel and Palestine situation pick up for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time and hit global mainstream. That's when we started

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<v Speaker 1>to see a little bit of a dip there and

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<v Speaker 1>now it's back. We're seeing a pretty big conscious consciousness

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<v Speaker 1>spike in terms of the Middle East conflict and all

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<v Speaker 1>of the top keywords Iran, Israel, war, missiles, East Middle

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<v Speaker 1>these are all related to the war right now, and

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<v Speaker 1>people are clearly concerned. When there's war, there are economic

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<v Speaker 1>consequences that can trickle over to crypto. Some think that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, war can actually be a long term benefit

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<v Speaker 1>to crypto. Maybe that's the case, depending on what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of war you're talking about, you know, from an ethical perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we had sanceman. Hope everyone is okay and

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<v Speaker 1>we're not rooting for wherever. But yes, I mean if

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<v Speaker 1>if currencies collapse and more reliances on decentralized currency exchange, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I see that point. But the usual immediate

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<v Speaker 1>impact is we see a retrace and a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a drop due to economic consequences that usually translate over

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that absolutely makes sense. And you know, like you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw a bit of this with the Ukraine Russia

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<v Speaker 2>war and in the short term super volatile, but then

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<v Speaker 2>eventually things went back to normal business. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure you use the right words here because not

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<v Speaker 2>trying to make a light of war obviously, But the

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<v Speaker 2>markets eventually stabilized and started moving up, and there could

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<v Speaker 2>be factors where because governments do money printing to fund

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<v Speaker 2>wars and all these different things, that that liquidity ends

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<v Speaker 2>up finding its way through the markets, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people get bullish because they're like, oh, the government's keep printing,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to put my money in assets.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's an interesting phenomenon and it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to say when these initial pieces of news break how

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<v Speaker 1>long of an impact this will have on markets, But

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<v Speaker 1>based on history, we usually see somewhere like at twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four to seventy two hour reaction to the news, and

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<v Speaker 1>then markets tend to normalize as long as things don't

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<v Speaker 1>get even worse than what that initial news report was. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>so it can often be kind of a cell to

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<v Speaker 1>rumor by the news situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we look at what the whales are doing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as are they buying, selling, how auty navigating

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<v Speaker 2>this type of activity that's taking place totally?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's take a look. So in terms of this sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>this tier right here, this is just the ten plus

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<v Speaker 1>BTC wallets and their combined holdings still looking good. This

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<v Speaker 1>is one thing that we're still optimistic about. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a flattening out period, and when

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<v Speaker 1>whales actually take a break from accumulating, that's when we

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<v Speaker 1>tend to see tops. This one was kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>mid sized one, but after that drop back on the thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>like right after it happened, we started to see more accumulation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not much, but they've added about a total of

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred and thirteen more BTC since that drop happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we go back six months, they've added a

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<v Speaker 1>total of about sixty four point three k bitcoin worth

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<v Speaker 1>tens of billions of dollars, I believe. So it's still

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<v Speaker 1>looking quite strong from sharks and whales right now. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think we mentioned the last time we talked, But

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<v Speaker 1>the only concern I have is that stable coins aren't

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<v Speaker 1>really being accumulated, so the dry powder that implies that

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<v Speaker 1>whales and sharks have more and more and more to

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<v Speaker 1>swap for bitcoin. That's a little on the limited side

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<v Speaker 1>because they've already been swapping so much tether and USD

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<v Speaker 1>coin for bitcoin over the past two ish months or so.

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<v Speaker 1>When they really started.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes sense. And I can imagine, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the semi or mini euphoria that we saw last

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<v Speaker 2>week with bitcoin going to sixty six, the wheels, if

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<v Speaker 2>they're using data and so forth, they're going to sit

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<v Speaker 2>back and say, we're not going to buy, let it drop,

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll buy.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll look for those opportunities. Yeah, tail is oldest times.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of just this is the way they make

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<v Speaker 1>money in addition to holding long term. When they want

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<v Speaker 1>to add a little extra to their stacks, they can

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<v Speaker 1>collectively push down prices or just decide to take a pause,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, swap some bitcoin for a few yachts. I kid,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, but you never know what they're doing. And

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<v Speaker 1>then they wait for prices to drop and then buy

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<v Speaker 1>back in prices, go back to pre yacht buy prices,

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<v Speaker 1>and suddenly they have a free yacht. That's that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of how it works when you have that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>capital in a sentiment driven sector like crypto.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Is there any other data from a Bitcoin standpoint

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<v Speaker 2>that do you want to highlight?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a few things. This is a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>look at some of the top caps together, beginning with

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin's total amount of holders, so conversely to what the

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<v Speaker 1>whales are doing. The total amount of non empty wallets,

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<v Speaker 1>as you would imagine, is mostly comprised by tiny wallets.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot easier to make a wallet that's the

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent of one dollar as opposed to ten million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's way more of them. So when you see drops,

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<v Speaker 1>that actually is a sign that a rally can either

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<v Speaker 1>begin or continue because these small holders are liquidating their

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<v Speaker 1>wallets and the sharks and whales are scooping up those coins.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, it's still trickling up a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm noticing it's it's been flattening out since September. There

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be some contentness from retail traders to take profit,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe going back to August September of last year. I

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<v Speaker 1>think October was when the rally really began to take off.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point is we aren't seeing crazy amounts of

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<v Speaker 1>retail wallets being created right now. So even though FOMO

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<v Speaker 1>had been going nuts toward the end of September, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not seeing an immense amount of new wallets being created

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<v Speaker 1>on a daily basis. I consider that a good long

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<v Speaker 1>But as long as it's not rapid growth like this,

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<v Speaker 1>And then Ethereum doing its thing. It's it's much harder

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of non empty Etherium wallets dwarf the amount

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that definitely makes sense. Boy, I'm very curious as

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<v Speaker 2>to what happens this month because you know, there's been

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<v Speaker 2>a big sentiment of October October, right and yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember you talking about this in the last episode,

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<v Speaker 2>that it becomes a self prophecy and whatever you want

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<v Speaker 2>being who could have been screaming October October and September

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<v Speaker 2>was not as bad as history has shown as.

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<v Speaker 1>But could that flip.

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<v Speaker 2>Because people are so excited about October that October is

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I stand by my theory that we have way

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<v Speaker 1>able to declare that one month is always good and

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<v Speaker 1>one month is always bad. You know, It's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>like if we say Fridays or a good day of

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<v Speaker 1>the week, there's at least been a few thousand fridays

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm calculating right, maybe somewhere near a thousand Fridays

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<v Speaker 1>that have happened since crypto was introduced back in back

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and eight, way back in pizza times.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it comes to you know, looking at fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years of data and let's say eleven of those fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>October's were really good, that's not nearly enough if you

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<v Speaker 1>talk to any statistician to be able to say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we can conf evidently declare that, you know, eleven out

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<v Speaker 1>of fifteen Octobers means you can celebrate every October because

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<v Speaker 1>crypto is going up, And especially when you start seeing

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<v Speaker 1>words like October trending, that's a pretty good sign that

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstream crowd is just kind of believing that this

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<v Speaker 1>time of year is always bullish. You don't want them

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that if the average retail trader is just

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<v Speaker 1>buying into this narrative, it actually creates a higher probability

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite result coming true. So I would I would

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<v Speaker 1>pump the brakes on your enthusiasm that crypto is going

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<v Speaker 1>to go up this month simply because simply because of

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<v Speaker 1>the timing, it could go up for plenty of reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>and then if it does, people might think, oh, see,

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<v Speaker 1>October is is validated. I knew that it would go up.

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<v Speaker 1>It could go up for so many reasons, and we'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to be kind of cautious when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>playing the timing game. I see all the time people

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<v Speaker 1>to happen in March of twenty twenty five, and we

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<v Speaker 1>always scratch our heads and go, why if you believe,

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<v Speaker 1>if you believe that crypto is just going to chill

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<v Speaker 1>for now and then suddenly go up in March, why

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<v Speaker 1>do you have any crypto at all? If you're that

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<v Speaker 1>confident it's don't play the timing game, is what I say.

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<v Speaker 1>Play play the long term situation because timing in the

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<v Speaker 1>markets always, I'm sorry, the amount of time in the

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<v Speaker 1>markets always beats timing, and any investor will tell you that,

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<v Speaker 1>especially from an equities background, it's almost impossible to predict.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we have something like the having going on

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<v Speaker 1>in bitcoin earlier this year, remember it wasn't the month

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<v Speaker 1>of the timing that crypto went up, it was like

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<v Speaker 1>the six months before it. As people are anticipating it,

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<v Speaker 1>So pay attention to the stuff that's going on deep

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<v Speaker 1>into the future rather than saying, Okay, this event is

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<v Speaker 1>happening now, I'm going to wait until like the day

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<v Speaker 1>before it happens and then buy in, right. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's my tangent about timing and how I think October

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<v Speaker 1>is is kind of BS.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. Definitely something for folks that keep in

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<v Speaker 2>mind is good advice, and it goes past the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the hard mentality and your feelings and emotions and what

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<v Speaker 2>you think the market's going to do. The best you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the data and materious to your point, it

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<v Speaker 2>could be October, but it may not be. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to be prepared for both, and it's best to look

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<v Speaker 2>at data let's talk about XRP, because we got some

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<v Speaker 2>big news yesterday that Bitwise Asset Management followed for the

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<v Speaker 2>first XRP spoty TIF in the US. Obviously, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a top ten asset by market cap and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of there's a big community. There's also a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of controversy around it. There's obviously a deadline this week

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<v Speaker 2>where the SEC may appeal the ruling or I should

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<v Speaker 2>say early next week, and you know, we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen there, but this is still some

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<v Speaker 2>good news. What are you seeing for XRP.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, from a social perspective, if we look at the

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<v Speaker 1>top ten trending coins, these are the assets that are

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the highest percentage of discussion rise compared to their

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<v Speaker 1>usual discussion rate. Outside of Curve, which is seeing quite

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of attention themselves. XRP is the highest in

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<v Speaker 1>crypto in terms of discussion rate right now, so clearly

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<v Speaker 1>people are quite excited about it. You can see right

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<v Speaker 1>here in our AI generated explanation of why it's trending.

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<v Speaker 1>Recent filings by Bitwise Asset Management for a spot XRP

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<v Speaker 1>ETF generated significant interest, signaling a move towards legitimizing XRP

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<v Speaker 1>as an investment vehicle. So yeah, clearly people are excited

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Notice though, so this little mini chart shows

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<v Speaker 1>the social volume of XRP over the past week. It

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<v Speaker 1>peaked here a couple days ago, and then right after

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<v Speaker 1>that prices collapse. And yes, part of this was because

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<v Speaker 1>crypto overall started to see a retrace, but other assets

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<v Speaker 1>did not see this sharp of a decline. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is a perfect example of a buy the

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<v Speaker 1>room or sell the news, where everyone thinks that this

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<v Speaker 1>news is going to be good for XRP, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the sharks and whales and the powers that be say no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to be pumping XRP yet. And this

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<v Speaker 1>has happened with like Bitcoin's ETF at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. I think it was May or June

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<v Speaker 1>when Ethereum got there.

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<v Speaker 2>Own.

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<v Speaker 1>You see the news and everyone thinks it's bullish, and

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<v Speaker 1>then suddenly we see a retrace. And this doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>that the news isn't bullish. It just means that the

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<v Speaker 1>over enthusiastic people got a little too excited here, bought

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<v Speaker 1>at the top, and they need to be a little

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<v Speaker 1>more patient before the effects of this news. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>this is still a rumor right now. They've only filed,

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<v Speaker 1>but assuming it's approved, that's when you're really going to

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of bullish momentum. So it's it's basically

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<v Speaker 1>people getting excited about speculative news right now. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's it's a very classic by the rumor, sell

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<v Speaker 1>the news situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, Yeah, to your point, just news. It hasn't been approved.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, just because you follow something doesn't mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to get approved. It's a good sign, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>also this looming appeal coming in and.

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<v Speaker 1>If we don't know what the SEC is going to do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean the probability of an ETF for XRP

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot higher than it was a week ago

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<v Speaker 1>because now we have a filing. So that's great if

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<v Speaker 1>you're an XRP fan, Just don't get overly excited, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when there's so much news that can just manipulate markets.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know with some of these media sources who

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<v Speaker 1>put out a report that makes something seem probable when

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<v Speaker 1>it's still a far way away. But at least according

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<v Speaker 1>to the metrics right now, we saw a gigantic amount

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<v Speaker 1>of transaction volume on this news It was about a

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<v Speaker 1>three month high here and then going down. Similarly with circulation.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the amount of unique tokens moving on a

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<v Speaker 1>daily basis, and we saw one point three to five

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<v Speaker 1>billion XRP being moved on September thirtieth. That was the

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<v Speaker 1>highest since August first. And then this one might be

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<v Speaker 1>key right here. I actually like to see that the

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<v Speaker 1>average returns of addresses that been active in the past

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<v Speaker 1>thirty days, you're back in the red, down about two percent.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's actually slightly less risk than average. If you

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<v Speaker 1>were to buy during any time during xrp's existence as

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<v Speaker 1>a publicly traded coin, you'd be buying while the average

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<v Speaker 1>traders are slightly underwater on the short to mid term timescale,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good thing. From a three to sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>day perspective, they're just barely above zero percent. So if

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<v Speaker 1>we start to see this one get a little below zero,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the ultimate times to buy. Like we saw

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<v Speaker 1>about four weeks ago on September sixth, they were both

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<v Speaker 1>way underwater the short and long term returns, and then

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly we see this huge spike. And that's I mean

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<v Speaker 1>almost every time when you see average returns well below

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<v Speaker 1>zero percent. It's such a great signal that buying is

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<v Speaker 1>a very likely good, good strategy, and we're at least

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<v Speaker 1>in a situation where XP looks like it's leaning toward

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<v Speaker 1>a buy candidate once again.

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<v Speaker 2>M hmm. Yeah, it's fascinating and how these things play

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<v Speaker 2>out with sentiment and buier room or sell, the news

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<v Speaker 2>events and so forth. And that's where this data is

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<v Speaker 2>so helpful to show you where they might be buying

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<v Speaker 2>opportunities and when possibly to sell based on what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>in the market. Any other data you know in regards

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<v Speaker 2>to XRP, or maybe we could jump to all coins

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<v Speaker 2>in like different categories like meme coins and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just wanted to point out that XRP is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty neutral in terms of sentiments, So even though it's

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<v Speaker 1>getting a lot of discussion, I think it's a polarizing topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise we'd be seeing super bullish spikes like this where

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's just talking about it positively. So that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>sign as well. I'd keep that in mind. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just about the amount of discussion, it's about like what

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<v Speaker 1>ratio of the discussions are bullish versus bearish. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>still kind of a tug of war going on between

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<v Speaker 1>bulls and bears, probably because this correction has pulled this down.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet right after the announcement of the ETF filing

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<v Speaker 1>it was way like super bullish like here, and then

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<v Speaker 1>people saw the retrace and said, oh, okay, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a big deal. So I find that interesting too. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So in terms of meme coins, I've got this chart.

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<v Speaker 1>This is pretty noisy, So I'm going to turn everything

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<v Speaker 1>into one week bars instead of one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of these meme coins have been starting to

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<v Speaker 2>gain some life again, and I think you highlight its

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<v Speaker 2>on like ship and bonk and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, over the past week there's still some

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<v Speaker 1>of the better performers. And we actually put out an

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<v Speaker 1>insight yesterday about dogecoin looking a bit intriguing on the

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<v Speaker 1>bullish end. There's no guarantees and this is an investment advice,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do see that whale activity has been particularly

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<v Speaker 1>heavy for dogecoin. Right now. This is like three day bars,

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<v Speaker 1>just to kind of give broad looks at what the

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<v Speaker 1>metrics are doing. Twelve hundred and three whale transactions at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of September that was the highest in about

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<v Speaker 1>four months, and then we're followed up with the largest

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<v Speaker 1>amount of daily active addresses since early April, seven month high.

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<v Speaker 1>This tells me that there's a lot of buying the

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<v Speaker 1>dip going on, and it's not just retail traders. This

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<v Speaker 1>blue bar here indicates that even after Whales sold the top,

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<v Speaker 1>that's clear based on this bar right before the green

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<v Speaker 1>turned red here, Whales are still being very active even

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<v Speaker 1>on this downtrend. So what is most likely happening is

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<v Speaker 1>they sold and then bought back in really quickly, and

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<v Speaker 1>I like the look of that. And of course, doche

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<v Speaker 1>coin does have some control over other meme coins. It

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<v Speaker 1>works a little like Bitcoin, but for memes specifically, where

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<v Speaker 1>doge tends to go first, and the profits of doge

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<v Speaker 1>coin redistribute into other meme coins like bonk with shiba

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<v Speaker 1>Enu and others. So if you're into meme coins, you

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<v Speaker 1>should be rooting for doge to have a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a rebound here over the next few days or

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks, and that can very well start

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<v Speaker 1>another cycle of meme coin excitement.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, Yeah, it's interesting. I'm almost I have a personal

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<v Speaker 2>bias being fully transparent. I'm not a big fan of

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<v Speaker 2>meme coins. If I see liquidity going to them, I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of get annoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>But now when you say, by the way, and I

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<v Speaker 1>respect that take. I think a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>very mixed opinions about them and whether they should be

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<v Speaker 1>part of the crypto ecosystem. But is it is it

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<v Speaker 1>more so what they offer to crypto or is it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe like the volume gets pushed into meme

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<v Speaker 1>coins when it would be better served to stay in bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your what's your opinion on why meme coins aren't

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<v Speaker 1>very great? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean one, as you mentioned the liquidity, it sucks

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<v Speaker 2>liquidity away from Bitcoin, yeah. And second it takes away

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<v Speaker 2>some liquidy from the blue chip all coins. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately there's some rotation from memes to blue chips, like

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<v Speaker 2>like your cardon or like your XRP and so forth. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>But also some of these are like projects that pop

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<v Speaker 2>up overnight. I'm not putting Goat and ship in there,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know the ones that pop up on base

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<v Speaker 2>or Solana and then they go nuts and then you

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<v Speaker 2>have all these people promoting it on social media. I

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<v Speaker 2>find that so annoying because I know what it is

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<v Speaker 2>and I know the high possibility of a rug that

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<v Speaker 2>can take place totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it really is the perfect example of the

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<v Speaker 1>short term, more chilly community and where they kind of live.

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<v Speaker 1>It's through meme coins that don't really have developers, don't

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<v Speaker 1>really have real life purposes in most cases, not all.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's kind of a matter of what your approach

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<v Speaker 1>is to crypto. If you're in it for the long term,

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably not the biggest meme coin fan. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>in it for a quick buck and more of the

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<v Speaker 1>gamble aspect and very sentiment driven investments that are perpetuated

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<v Speaker 1>by trading groups that you may or may not be

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<v Speaker 1>connected to, then meme coins might be more up your alley.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's regardless of any of our opinions, it's undeniable

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<v Speaker 1>that they do have an effect on the overall crypto

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<v Speaker 1>ecosystem and they can't simply be ignored, even if you

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<v Speaker 1>never want to touch them with a ten foot pool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah for sure. Well we'll see man, hopefully. Don't get

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<v Speaker 2>me wrong. And I know some people home meme coins.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying I don't want you guys to make

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<v Speaker 2>money who are watching and listening. But you know, hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>it's not as what we saw earlier this year, where

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<v Speaker 2>there's a tonnel liquidity, you know, almost front running to market,

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<v Speaker 2>the means of front running the market a bit. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's more balanced this time around, I guess as we

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<v Speaker 2>get later into the bowl market totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's really the predictability that's the hard thing

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<v Speaker 1>with meme coins. And you know, we don't give investment

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<v Speaker 1>advice as it is, but if we do, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>provide insights. The least confidence that we have is usually

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<v Speaker 1>in the meme coin sector because of the lack of

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<v Speaker 1>long term development that we see in them that show

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<v Speaker 1>that they have long term sustainability, which makes them more

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<v Speaker 1>of a crapshoot. So take that as you will. But

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<v Speaker 1>what we can say is that the social dominance is

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<v Speaker 1>huge right now. It's it's spiked to the highest level

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<v Speaker 1>of interest in about four months here, and yes, that

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<v Speaker 1>that is to your point, Tony, at the expense of

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<v Speaker 1>layer ones and layer twos that are seeing very declining

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<v Speaker 1>levels of discussion right now. So this is a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a warning sign from crypto in general. When you

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<v Speaker 1>see meme coin discussions get super high, it's usually a

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<v Speaker 1>reflection of just the overall crypto crowd getting over the euphoric.

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<v Speaker 1>So we saw like Bitcoin's positive versus negative comments. This

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<v Speaker 1>is another way of looking at, you know, the crowd's

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<v Speaker 1>mood overall, and when it starts going towards speculative assets,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's often a caution flag for crypto in general.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm even curious, like looking the past just the day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's calmed down a lot. You can see right here.

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<v Speaker 1>This spike here in pink happened maybe twelve hours before

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<v Speaker 1>the official top for Bitcoin, and it was the highest

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<v Speaker 1>level of discussion toward meme coins since late May, and

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<v Speaker 1>late May was also a time when we were getting

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<v Speaker 1>very close to a top, not quite as perfect as

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<v Speaker 1>this one, but regardless, I think this is a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>solid metric. When you just see meme coins rise in discussion,

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<v Speaker 1>it's never a bad idea to take a little profit

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<v Speaker 1>to stay safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, Brian, great stuff, always insightful. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a pleasure, Tony. Always great catching up and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do it again in a couple of weeks. The

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<v Speaker 1>two past, the two pak
