Speaker 1: Welcome to the Nightmare USA Podcast. Using Stephen Throwers Tom's
Speaker 1: our roadmap, join us as we explore the underbelly of America,
Speaker 1: one regional horror film at a time. I'm Adam, I'm sev.
Speaker 1: In our third episode, we're going to talk about what
Speaker 1: might be my favorite film in Nightmare USA.
Speaker 2: David E.
Speaker 1: Durston's I Drink Your Blood.
Speaker 3: The biggest bloodiest double show. I drink your Blood and
Speaker 3: I Eat your skin. The men become animals and eat
Speaker 3: their victimies. I drink your blood and I eat your skin.
Speaker 1: When Durstin was approached to make a horror film in
Speaker 1: the early nineteen seventies, the only stipulation he received from
Speaker 1: producer Jerry Gross was that the film cannot be about
Speaker 1: something audiences have already seen. No vampires, no ghosts, no zombies.
Speaker 1: So Durstan decided to take a rip from the headlines
Speaker 1: of after reading about a group of school children in
Speaker 1: Iran who were attacked by a pack of rabid wolves.
Speaker 1: He combined this idea with the freshness of the Charles
Speaker 1: Manson trial to bring I Drink Your Blood to life.
Speaker 1: I Drink Your Blood is a tale about a group
Speaker 1: of hippie Satanists who find themselves an abandoned town that
Speaker 1: has dried up due to the construction of a dam
Speaker 1: in the area. When they go too far harassing a
Speaker 1: couple of the locals, a young lad decides revenge as
Speaker 1: a dish best served by injecting blood from a rabid
Speaker 1: dog in the meat Pies Sam, if I was going
Speaker 1: to write an article about I Drink Your Blood, I
Speaker 1: would entitle it for Pete's sake. Cinema's sneakiest sociopath is
Speaker 1: Pete's bland the most diabolical thing you've ever seen? And
Speaker 1: is Pete a bad seed or his life made him
Speaker 1: this way?
Speaker 2: I think it's funny because when you see Loylesville, it
Speaker 2: looks very much like a TV show from the sixties.
Speaker 2: It looks like early seventies. It's very lassy, like if
Speaker 2: the events of this movie. I realized. The movie starts
Speaker 2: with a check his head being cut off and naked
Speaker 2: people praying to Satan. But after that, Oilsville seems very innocuous.
Speaker 2: So I think that Pete has he's got some demons. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: now that he's met up with winter old demons and
Speaker 2: the correspones, cult. He has to take it to the
Speaker 2: next level quickly. It's kind of this has some Disney
Speaker 2: things in it too. It's very if Old Yeller upset
Speaker 2: you when the dog with Raby's got shot spoiler for
Speaker 2: a sixty year old movie. This movie like has an
Speaker 2: Old Yeller moment in the middle of the movie. And
Speaker 2: where can we go from here? What if Pete destroyed
Speaker 2: the entire town by trying to take out the people
Speaker 2: he thinks are trying to destroy his town. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What I thought was strange was I would have never
Speaker 1: thought this is a shot in upstate New York. It
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like I couldn't and it's almost does have
Speaker 1: that anywhere USA sort of feel about it. I would
Speaker 1: not have pegged New York and New Jersey, that's where
Speaker 1: this film was actually shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they had worked with the sheriff of the town.
Speaker 2: I guess he provided assistance and he has a bit
Speaker 2: role at the end. He's one of the costs. But
Speaker 2: there were big tensions between locals and the production crew
Speaker 2: that I guess they tried to have Durston arrested or removed.
Speaker 2: They thought that he was abusing actress Iris Brooks when
Speaker 2: he was just directing her through a scene.
Speaker 1: And he was abusing her. Actually, if you listen to
Speaker 1: the commentary, whenever, he's like, I would just she was
Speaker 1: having trouble showing emotions, so I just slapped her around
Speaker 1: a little bit and went out there. So maybe they
Speaker 1: were onto something after all?
Speaker 2: Is this like an early seventies directing trick like Friedkin,
Speaker 2: Like I just fired a gun up in the air
Speaker 2: when the take started. I mean, I wasn't trying to
Speaker 2: traumatize anybody. What does it say about me that several
Speaker 2: of my favorite horror movies have directors that have like
Speaker 2: the shining in this that you know their actresses are
Speaker 2: being abused by a director.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and didn't we to kind of talk about that
Speaker 1: we don't go in the house a little bit. Wasn't
Speaker 1: there some of that in there?
Speaker 2: A little bit? Oh? Yeah, there definitely is. Like well,
Speaker 2: also he said you quoted him as saying that he
Speaker 2: looked and he's like, I don't want to look through
Speaker 2: the view finder in case the actors catches on fire.
Speaker 2: You're the one that put her there, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: like you can't walk away at this point.
Speaker 1: So this was a couple.
Speaker 2: Wilson has a problem too though, because I was going
Speaker 2: to say, just it's running in the background, and I
Speaker 2: liked that the population went from four thousand to forty overnight,
Speaker 2: Like how bad this damn project is?
Speaker 1: Right? And ye, yeah, I don't know what They don't
Speaker 1: really go into that too much of what what's happening
Speaker 1: here on they're building a damn and everyone's left except
Speaker 1: the one character who's wants to keep that bakery open
Speaker 1: for those local workers.
Speaker 2: But this is her windfall that these it's like fracking,
Speaker 2: like the businesses that stayed open during cracking, Like everybody
Speaker 2: else is having problems with the water and all these
Speaker 2: other things, but the bakery's doing great.
Speaker 1: She's such a good Samaritan keeping keeping the bakery open.
Speaker 2: Too bad? Her food becomes the host food. Right if
Speaker 2: she had not stayed open, what would Pete have done?
Speaker 2: He would have gone really really he couldn't door dash them.
Speaker 2: The the meat pies.
Speaker 1: So what do you what are your feelings about meat
Speaker 1: pies in general? Do you enjoy a meat pie? Have
Speaker 1: you had a meat pie?
Speaker 2: There's a place actually in the South Side that has them.
Speaker 2: It's like a British style chip shop and they have
Speaker 2: meat pies but I never get them. Would you consider
Speaker 2: a pepperoni pop and meat pie?
Speaker 1: No, no, I had.
Speaker 2: They have.
Speaker 1: It's either that or in Louisiana. There's a big meat
Speaker 1: pie industry basically, and it's in Nacotish, and we talked
Speaker 1: about na. We will talk about Nacotish again when we
Speaker 1: get to Screams of a Winter Night. But that's where
Speaker 1: you go if you ever go to Nacotish again. Still,
Speaker 1: Magnela was shot there. Oprah went there. It was one
Speaker 1: of her America's favorite small towns. There was a boom
Speaker 1: in the eighties after Oprah came through. But there are restaurants,
Speaker 1: one in particular, it's called Lazion's and it is devoted
Speaker 1: to the meat pie. You can also just get it
Speaker 1: at the gas station on the way through, and I
Speaker 1: would highly I don't usually recommend gas station food, but
Speaker 1: the meat pies at the French Market at Nacottish, at
Speaker 1: the I forty nine exit, you have to stop and
Speaker 1: get one. They're great and it's seasoned great. You have
Speaker 1: the spicy ones, you have just the regular ones. And
Speaker 1: it's just a meat pie, ground beef, not much to it,
Speaker 1: simple sort of thing. They also make crawfish pies in
Speaker 1: that same oh sort of, I like that, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be good.
Speaker 2: I guess the pepperoni puff might be the closest thing.
Speaker 2: It's a West Virginia thing and it's like either a
Speaker 2: pepperoni roll or puff where it is like just like
Speaker 2: bread with stuffed with the greasiest foods imaginable.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a calzone maybe or something very close.
Speaker 2: It's like a cold cow zone, like you can be
Speaker 2: served at Eddie temperature, and uh, this is what Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: does best. They're like, what's the food that would make
Speaker 2: us the fattest? And we say probably like pepperoni and cheese,
Speaker 2: Like what if we put a lot of bread in
Speaker 2: Greece around it? Like can we get French fries too? Right?
Speaker 2: They say yeah, probably.
Speaker 1: So this came out just a couple of years well
Speaker 1: not even a couple of years. This was maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of months after the end of the Charles Manson trial,
Speaker 1: so that was really fresh in people's minds. And it's
Speaker 1: just kind of a weird combination that he looks that's
Speaker 1: all going on the background, and he's reading about these
Speaker 1: school kids in Iran who have contracted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he saw footage of that too, supposely like
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's Erica? Yeah we again? Has she seen the Rabbit?
Speaker 2: She has a four K of that footage of kids
Speaker 2: getting woof rabies, like she did commentary on it and
Speaker 2: wrote the book that's in with it. But oh yeah,
Speaker 2: hors Bones is definitely Manson. But I love that he
Speaker 2: to one that he's like he's a The actor who
Speaker 2: played him was a dancer, so he has like a
Speaker 2: very like he's in better shape than any cult leader
Speaker 2: you've ever seen, and he shows it off in the
Speaker 2: beginning when he's doing his awesome speech, but also like
Speaker 2: he has put together the most united colors of ben
Speaker 2: gang you've ever seen. Like there's a chubby housewife that's
Speaker 2: part of this gang, and then there's like a black
Speaker 2: a gay black guy with a little tiny hat on
Speaker 2: that carries around a parasol, and there's a literal dragon lady.
Speaker 2: And when Lowry like, none of the how did these
Speaker 2: people meet? That's the HBO women. And that's what I
Speaker 2: want Nicklas Refing to do, not maybe at cop I
Speaker 2: want him to do this and tell us how did
Speaker 2: he Horsebones get these people to join up?
Speaker 1: I have. One of my first notes is that these
Speaker 1: hippies are not unlikable. At the least, they are the
Speaker 1: most likable satanic hippies you'd ever have to meet.
Speaker 2: Right, if they didn't assault somebody at the beginning, I
Speaker 2: would be completely on their side. It would be interesting
Speaker 2: if that scene wasn't in here and they just did
Speaker 2: a Satanic ritual and then everybody just judged them for
Speaker 2: their religion. So this movie does make me think that
Speaker 2: it's like, is Pete the hero or not? Like if
Speaker 2: we saw this from the hippies point of view, which
Speaker 2: I've been watching a lot of biker and hippie movies lately,
Speaker 2: Like this is what happens, Like the bikers coming to
Speaker 2: town and all the vocals are against them. All they
Speaker 2: want to do is go in a bar and break
Speaker 2: stuff and punch each other and then fall asleep in
Speaker 2: a pile. That's what happens in The Pink Angels, right.
Speaker 1: I love horse Bones here and that act he's about,
Speaker 1: you know, just a cult of part personality right there.
Speaker 2: Oh, when he comes into the meat pie shop and
Speaker 2: he has the the older lady with him, right, he
Speaker 2: comes in and they give him a free meat pie,
Speaker 2: and like a quart of milk, which I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you drink milk with meat pies like this? I'm
Speaker 2: going with you was the meat by experts here for
Speaker 2: this episode?
Speaker 1: Hmmm, No, I wouldn't say. Well, as if it's hot
Speaker 1: and if it's spice enough, you might need some milk
Speaker 1: to cut Okay, so it's possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just like that he comes in and he's
Speaker 2: all smiles and he's really happy, and then there's other
Speaker 2: moments where he's terrifying. I keep really, it's really great
Speaker 2: in this movie. Like I I wish he in my
Speaker 2: dreams he doesn't die, Like I don't want a spoiler.
Speaker 2: I don't want him to die, and I want like
Speaker 2: someone to bring him back from the dead if not,
Speaker 2: because he could. Why do we get ten movies of
Speaker 2: shitty characters like ghost Face that I don't care about
Speaker 2: and we only get one horse Bones movie? Uh? You know,
Speaker 2: like that's what I want?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's talk about Creep Show two again.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, sorry, Well this happened just a
Speaker 2: quick Creepshow two story that I've been saving for you
Speaker 2: for the show. The other night. We've been fixing our pool,
Speaker 2: as I told you, and uh, there was like a
Speaker 2: whole layer of the algae that I had put this
Speaker 2: stuff in. And when you put this green to clean in,
Speaker 2: it raises the algae out of the pool, And of
Speaker 2: course I got high. I was out walking the dog
Speaker 2: and I saw this algae floating on the top and
Speaker 2: it looked like it was moving, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, the raft is real and I ran my dog.
Speaker 2: I ran the dog into the house panting. My wife's like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? And then she said let me
Speaker 2: see your eyes and I was like, the raft is
Speaker 2: in the pool. She was like what? And then I
Speaker 2: explained Like halfway there explaining it, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: why did she marry me?
Speaker 1: This one? This movie? Right off the bat was giving
Speaker 1: me creep Show two, the first segment, the Old Chief
Speaker 1: wooden head segment. Oh I mean you Old Chief?
Speaker 2: Is this bucket? Is that this podcast is a crossover
Speaker 2: between creep Show two? And how does creep Show two impact?
Speaker 2: That should be a question at the end every time
Speaker 2: what reminded you Creepshow two? And that's the one I
Speaker 2: do say? Thanks for the right lady. Every time I
Speaker 2: see a hitchhiker, Sure, thanks for oh my god, he's
Speaker 2: so great. I love at the end whatever she gets
Speaker 2: out of the car and it's like written there, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, it's perfect. I love that. When Horsebones Cult
Speaker 2: gets into this house, they're like so happy about this house,
Speaker 2: Like they're all celebrating, they're all dancing. He's high shooting
Speaker 2: a gun at rats when Rowery's just walking around with
Speaker 2: a rat, Like, what a time to be uh in
Speaker 2: his cult?
Speaker 1: What a time to be a rat? The rats, So
Speaker 1: the rats in the fights, it's the best times and
Speaker 1: it's the worst of times for rats. Little put it
Speaker 1: that way in the seventies. So these rats in this
Speaker 1: and for the majority of the rats in this movie,
Speaker 1: they were ethnically treated as ethically mainly as possible. There
Speaker 1: was a rat wrangler. They said they would not let
Speaker 1: them hurt the rats. Ben is in this movie. Ben
Speaker 1: the rats you know from Yeah, they're both here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there are some other rats who were not as lucky.
Speaker 1: But they were already dead allegedly, and they got them
Speaker 1: from a lab after the lab had killed them doing
Speaker 1: their tests, and they gave them the rats. And then
Speaker 1: they spray painted these rats because they were white lab rats,
Speaker 1: and they spray painted them to match the rats from
Speaker 1: the beginning, the darker brown and black colored rats for
Speaker 1: because they burn.
Speaker 2: A lot of the rats. That's the worst job in
Speaker 2: this entire movie. Like, what, how are you breaking into Hollywood?
Speaker 2: I painted dead rats today.
Speaker 1: On your first round of your civ rat dinner for
Speaker 1: I drink your blood.
Speaker 2: Oh. I mean, it's a hard business to get into.
Speaker 2: So whatever gets you in there, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, you got to get your your union cards somehow.
Speaker 2: That whoever doing it, though, I feel really bad for Also,
Speaker 2: like I like that they didn't even explore the town,
Speaker 2: that maybe there's a grocery store or maybe some other stuff.
Speaker 2: They went right to frying rats Like that's like they're
Speaker 2: cooking rats over a fire and eating them like that
Speaker 2: was step one, I guess.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's part of the Satanic way
Speaker 1: and how devoted to Satanism were these people in the
Speaker 1: first place. It felt like there was more cosplay Satanism
Speaker 1: than actual devoutness.
Speaker 2: They're not like in the in the leavey form of Satanism.
Speaker 2: They're the kind of Satanists that we were warned about
Speaker 2: in the when we were in high school. Do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean that They're like they got sheets
Speaker 2: of blue acid stars or acid that looks like Mickey Mouse,
Speaker 2: and they're going to try to get you to take
Speaker 2: it because they're so dumb. They're going to give you
Speaker 2: their drugs, because that's what hippies do, hippie double worshipers,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like these feel like
Speaker 2: the ones I was warned about by the cops in
Speaker 2: the Catholic church when I was a kid. A multicultural
Speaker 2: gang is going to come try to get you. One
Speaker 2: of them will be wearing the most racist Asian costume.
Speaker 2: One of them will be an angry black guy. One
Speaker 2: of them will be a dancer, an Indian dancer. It's
Speaker 2: such a weird.
Speaker 1: The speaking of Catholicism, let's talk about the title of
Speaker 1: this movie. So you have I Drink Your Blood and
Speaker 1: of course I Eat Your Skin, which is a movie
Speaker 1: that has absolutely nothing to do with I Drink Your Blood.
Speaker 1: And it was again this producer Jerry Gross, who would
Speaker 1: take these movies. He had the movie this I Eat
Speaker 1: Your Skin, which was what was it was? It just
Speaker 1: called zombie before I can't remember, but he retitled it
Speaker 1: I Eat Your Skin. It was a movie from the
Speaker 1: sixties that have you seen it? Have you seen Eat
Speaker 1: Your Skin?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the quality drops off between the two films.
Speaker 1: It's no, we do not go together anyway whatsoever. Now
Speaker 1: I did. I kind of liked I Eat Your Skin though,
Speaker 1: in its own way, because again, it felt and we've
Speaker 1: talked about this before, the Mondo type movie, the travel
Speaker 1: log movie, and that's kind of what it felt like
Speaker 1: to me. The guy who he's an Arthur On Arthur,
Speaker 1: an author, I guess, and he's having I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: writers block. He's just not doing his job. He's out
Speaker 1: there wooing women by the pool and his editor shows
Speaker 1: uthing's like, look, we got you got deadlines. We need
Speaker 1: you out here writing, so we're gonna take you to
Speaker 1: this island and where something's going on to inspire you
Speaker 1: to write some stories. And you know, somebody has is
Speaker 1: doing scientific experiments and so this like a zombie ish
Speaker 1: sort of vibe film going on. No skin is eaten.
Speaker 2: It is. Jerry Gross was the king of renaming movies.
Speaker 2: Because Day of the Woman is an okay title, but
Speaker 2: I Spit on Your Grave is an amazing title, and
Speaker 2: like what's crazy is like Cinimation this company when it
Speaker 2: went out of business. He disappeared for like three or
Speaker 2: four years, and he worked at a seven to eleven,
Speaker 2: just like as a clerk, not owning one, and then
Speaker 2: came back to making movies as a Jerry Gross organization
Speaker 2: in the late seventies. Like I love that. Like he
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, that seems like a good plan. Maybe
Speaker 2: they have like some kind of healthcare. But he my
Speaker 2: favorite quote of him is stars don't matter, titles do.
Speaker 2: And he's right. I mean, he he was one of
Speaker 2: those huckstery kind of guys, like when he did a
Speaker 2: double feature of Mondo Kane and Mondo Kane Too, and
Speaker 2: he hired people to dress up his tribal people dance
Speaker 2: outside the theaters. This is politically incorrect, but also like,
Speaker 2: of course you'd want to go see that movie after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and here it was the original title. Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, I was filmed under the title State Farm,
Speaker 1: which has nothing to do with yes. And then the director,
Speaker 1: David Durston, wanted a title phobia. It's kind of like Psycho,
Speaker 1: that's what we're going with. I mean, the Mountain.
Speaker 2: Hydro is another one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which would make I mean, it's right there
Speaker 1: in the title, which we're getting hydrophobia. And but Jerry
Speaker 1: Gross said, we're calling it I drink your blood and
Speaker 1: I'm parented without eat your skin, And I love that.
Speaker 1: David Durstin's responsible, So why don't you just call it
Speaker 1: I shit in your saddle bag because none of that
Speaker 1: happens in this movie either. You know, nobody drinks anybody's blood.
Speaker 2: This is a good white double feature. Like you said, though,
Speaker 2: this is is very It conjures up those thoughts of
Speaker 2: of you know, one bred, one body, as we sang
Speaker 2: in Catholic school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that's what durst In the same like,
Speaker 1: what is this what kind of Catholicism thing are you
Speaker 1: going for here? With the drinking the blood and eating
Speaker 1: the skin?
Speaker 2: That would be funny though if like they were, that's
Speaker 2: why they stuck around, like the priest and this old
Speaker 2: man a crazy child at a meat pie company. Those
Speaker 2: are the only people that have stuck around.
Speaker 1: So well, let's talk about grandpa, Grandpa the vet. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's a vet. Right. He goes to After this the
Speaker 1: initial assault is on again. There's five people in this town,
Speaker 1: so it's the sister. Pete's sister gets assaulted by the
Speaker 1: members of a couple of members of the group. She's
Speaker 1: kind of secretly seeing Andy, who's a group member who's
Speaker 1: not devout at all. He's just kind of hanging around there,
Speaker 1: and so.
Speaker 2: Grand to get laid. Don't you think that some people
Speaker 2: joined these cults. They're like, oh, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: hippie girls, like, I'll just join, We'll see what happens. Sure,
Speaker 2: that's what Andy makes me feel, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's just he's there for a good time,
Speaker 1: not a long time. And so Grandpa goes to I
Speaker 1: don't know exact, some revenge, yeah, and it doesn't go
Speaker 1: well for Grandpa at all, and they dose him on
Speaker 1: LSD and break his glasses and send him back on
Speaker 1: his merry way. And I love the table because he
Speaker 1: goes back home. Pete of course shows up and he
Speaker 1: brings Grandpa home, and Grandpa sitting at the table and
Speaker 1: he has a salt and pepper shakers and he's putting
Speaker 1: it up up to his head like their horns. And
Speaker 1: apparently all that was improvised, but it's so good.
Speaker 2: His attack was foiled by taking his glasses off, Like
Speaker 2: that's literally he came in with a gun and instead
Speaker 2: of shooting it. They smashed his glasses and then they
Speaker 2: kicked him in the nuts, and that's that's all it took.
Speaker 1: I'm like velmot, like jinkies. I can't see a thing
Speaker 1: without my glasses. If you took them from me, it's
Speaker 1: I'm a goner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is easily bested for all his gumption, I guess.
Speaker 2: And then he gets his face licked. So I'm sure
Speaker 2: he didn't like that. He's all this woman's being forward.
Speaker 2: I'm a grandfather, but yeah, that he reacts to acid
Speaker 2: as if he's on dragon. It like, I'm shocked he
Speaker 2: didn't try to fly out the window. I've never taken LSD.
Speaker 2: I don't. You don't have to answer, but have you
Speaker 2: ever taken it?
Speaker 1: No, I've never as a pharmacist, I've never taken any
Speaker 1: sort of illegal substance. And that's actually true because I'm
Speaker 1: too scared too, because I can't lose my license because
Speaker 1: I have no other skill set.
Speaker 2: Ah, I have taken a lot of legal subsists. I'm
Speaker 2: a writer and we're supposed to do that, but never asks.
Speaker 2: It feels like something that would I'm a control freak,
Speaker 2: and it feels like not to be a square. But
Speaker 2: I feel like I would either like it too much
Speaker 2: or I would get wasted, Like it would be like
Speaker 2: a Narnia type experience for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as it is for Grandpa.
Speaker 2: He suddenly thinks he's the devil and he has stower.
Speaker 1: From supper shaker horned. Okay, but this sets Pete's plan
Speaker 1: and the action. After Grandpa seen the way they treated Grandpa,
Speaker 1: he says, well, what I need to do is go
Speaker 1: kill this rabid dog who's out and about, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take it to blood and inject it into the
Speaker 1: meat pis. That'll show him. And it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and but I love that Pete is like he
Speaker 2: was already he already didn't trust him. He was already mad,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? He had already been
Speaker 2: threatened by them a couple of times. So Pete's plan
Speaker 2: is crazy. Like That's why I think he's kind of
Speaker 2: the bad, secret bad guy of this movie, because like
Speaker 2: anybody else's revenge plant, step one would be there's still
Speaker 2: a cop in town. You were in his car. All
Speaker 2: you get to say is, hey, I found the guys
Speaker 2: that assaulted my sister. By the way, his sister is
Speaker 2: a teenage mother. That's the actress that's in Teenage Mother,
Speaker 2: another Jerry Gross movie. But he uh, instead, he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I think I saw a mangy mud that
Speaker 2: has rabies. I'm gonna kill that dog. And don't serial
Speaker 2: killers start by killing animals? Right? Yes, especially at his age,
Speaker 2: He's at the right age for it. And then why
Speaker 2: is he left behind in this town? Is it because
Speaker 2: nobody wanted him to come to the city. I mean,
Speaker 2: like everybody else got to leave, Like certainly his school
Speaker 2: moved to another town, and like all the other kids
Speaker 2: are like, where's Pete? Like Pete has problems, He's gonna
Speaker 2: be staying with his grandfather. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Instead, it's like whenever you wouldn't have the the pregnant
Speaker 1: teenagers sent away with aunt whoever for a while for
Speaker 1: a few months. That's what they did with Pete. They
Speaker 1: just said, you're staying with your sister and grandpa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pete's going on vacation. Kids. And because like Pete,
Speaker 2: that has Pete ever attacked you with the compass? Oh,
Speaker 2: piece is not allowed to have the compass anymore. He's
Speaker 2: not allowed to have sharpened pencils. He's only allowed to use.
Speaker 1: A typewriter, so is whenever they get the meat pies.
Speaker 1: I think is that the most disgusting part of the
Speaker 1: movie is the way they eat these meat pies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Also, wouldn't you think And I guess if you're
Speaker 2: a hippie, I'm probably judging you, right, But like, wouldn't
Speaker 2: hippies wouldn't there be a chance that at least one
Speaker 2: of them is vegetarian?
Speaker 1: Or is this Yeah, And we kind of talked about
Speaker 1: that last time, and so Andy does not eat the
Speaker 1: meat pie, but I don't know if it's just because
Speaker 1: he sees them eating it and it's so disgusting that
Speaker 1: he says, no, I'm good, thank you, I'd rather die.
Speaker 2: He was fine with eating a rat, but he's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I try the line at meat pies.
Speaker 2: This is a very meat heavy hippie group. Like they're
Speaker 2: all like, yeah, they love it, but yeah, it is
Speaker 2: a disgusting scene. I don't think this is the kind
Speaker 2: of movie you can eat during. I would not recommend it.
Speaker 2: N The cult like kind of what I love is
Speaker 2: like the infection like quickly moves like through sex, of course,
Speaker 2: and then the construction workers and the callists start terrorizing
Speaker 2: everybody else. Every It's just like, I don't think Pete
Speaker 2: intended this to go the way that it did, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I think he was like, I'll just take out
Speaker 2: this gang after I shoot a dog in the neck.
Speaker 2: I love that he comes back in with a smoking
Speaker 2: hot shotgun and and his sister's like, no or whatever
Speaker 2: her name is, the meat pie. I was like, you
Speaker 2: can't do that. Don't go out and shoot a dog.
Speaker 2: He said, let me pet this cat. I'm fine. I
Speaker 2: don't hate animal, see, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: I forgot the construction workers. Oh, the construction workers. I
Speaker 1: totally forgot about them, even you know, being in this
Speaker 1: movie and contracting the rabis. I guess I've watched this,
Speaker 1: I think in twenty twenty three. So the way I again,
Speaker 1: I've talked about this before, you know, around twenty twenty
Speaker 1: is when I first started really getting into these films.
Speaker 1: And one of the first things that I saw was
Speaker 1: that ag for Horror Trailer show. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've ever seen that, where I don't know, it's like
Speaker 1: an hour and a half of just yeah horror cult
Speaker 1: horror film trailers all cut together, and of course one
Speaker 1: of them is I Drink your blood and eye eat
Speaker 1: your skin that trailer. So that was the first time
Speaker 1: I'd ever heard of this movie at all, and so
Speaker 1: I've watched it. Actually, I think I bought that Grindhouse
Speaker 1: Blu ray pretty quickly after seeing it, and then I
Speaker 1: still never watched it for a couple of years, and
Speaker 1: I finally got around.
Speaker 2: To did you get the syringe with it? That that's
Speaker 2: thatt that came with this ringe pin?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so, I don't think singh.
Speaker 2: One of my comic book stores around me has just
Speaker 2: a syringe pin for sale. It's like fifty bucks, but
Speaker 2: it says I drink your bot on it. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I really should probably buy that, Like it feels like
Speaker 2: that's a good purchase.
Speaker 1: I feel like I had one whenever Visual Vengeance released
Speaker 1: la a jabber. Oh yeah, I know you Vengeance.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I've talked to the director and he's said
Speaker 2: to me, I don't know why people were so upset
Speaker 2: about the title.
Speaker 1: People really get worked up about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, also, that's the era that like they would
Speaker 2: say on the news, like be careful when you get
Speaker 2: coins out of the machine, because there's maniacs leaving syringes
Speaker 2: and coin booths, you know, on the telephone and if
Speaker 2: it stabs, this feels like one of those you're not reacting.
Speaker 2: This feels like one of those like didn't your town
Speaker 2: have clowns coming out of Vance? I mean, like, no,
Speaker 2: the eighties weren't that terrifying for me? Sam? Maybe I
Speaker 2: just had a mom that would say these things to me,
Speaker 2: like don't look in quarter things and don't do this
Speaker 2: because you know there's a gang led by horsebones trying
Speaker 2: to kill you. Sam.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, grown up in the eighties, you're you're like,
Speaker 1: it's not if you get kidnapped, just when you get kidnapped.
Speaker 1: You know, this is what you need when you get kidnapped, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was and it was bad for me because
Speaker 1: I mean, the the kidnapped being child kidnapping story was
Speaker 1: Adam Walsh and so they'd made that mini series about that.
Speaker 1: It's called Adam My Name is Adam, and the kids
Speaker 1: will be like, you're you're gonna get kidnapped your name You're.
Speaker 2: Just like, oh my god, I grew up in Haddenfield,
Speaker 2: Like that's like a hadden Field kid thing. I love
Speaker 2: in Howard for where they're all like Jamie's Uncle sup
Speaker 2: boogey Man. Like, she's like, just let her fucking live?
Speaker 2: Can you let her live? So I think, well, that's
Speaker 2: rough on you. I am sorry that you had to
Speaker 2: deal with that.
Speaker 1: Well, kids can be so cruel. That's why they need
Speaker 1: to all die. And that's why we're with Erica on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, h Pete. Also, after he shoots the dog, he
Speaker 2: shows that he is considerate because he washes his hands.
Speaker 2: There's like they shot a scene of him washing his hands,
Speaker 2: and you're like, why is that scene in this movie?
Speaker 2: I love it? But he is so excited when he
Speaker 2: sees that tray of meat pies coming out here. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if you noticed during that scene where
Speaker 2: they're putting the meat pies, there's a poster on the
Speaker 2: wall for a drive in and there's a night Living
Speaker 2: Dead is one of the ads up on the poster
Speaker 2: behind them. I think it would probably be better if
Speaker 2: I had four K and not the horrible DVD that
Speaker 2: I bought. Spoiler I didn't buy the Grindhouse releasing one
Speaker 2: years ago. I bought a really bad quality copy of
Speaker 2: this and it is green and only half of the
Speaker 2: image shows how this guy released. The quality control amongst
Speaker 2: the Mill Creek sub Mill Creek labels of the world
Speaker 2: like good Times is not good stick to Grindhouse Releasing, please,
Speaker 2: I need to buy it from them.
Speaker 1: I forgot it, like we were talking about earlier, I
Speaker 1: forgot about those construction workers. And that's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of interesting things I learned about all of this from
Speaker 1: between the film commentary, the commentary on that Grindhouse disc
Speaker 1: with between Durston and bash Car, and the Stephen Thrower chapter.
Speaker 1: He devotes an entire chapter to a drinking But there
Speaker 1: is a lot of overlap and I found that too
Speaker 1: on Don't Go in the House. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: overlap between what's in the commentary and what's in the book.
Speaker 1: So but they, I guess just some about that construction
Speaker 1: worker scene. That was really the only scene that has
Speaker 1: any nudity in it. There's the sex scene between thank
Speaker 1: you and thank you Durstin for not giving this character
Speaker 1: a name anyway, because I'm not going to remember it.
Speaker 1: She's just credited as Blonde cult member. Thank you. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't need to know. I don't need a
Speaker 1: first name.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: So Blonde cult Member goes with these construction workers and
Speaker 1: they kind of abuse her and assault her. And but
Speaker 1: that gets cut out of some of the movies or
Speaker 1: some of the versions that I learned that the film
Speaker 1: received an X rating. It was allegedly, again I didn't
Speaker 1: do any research about this at all, but it was
Speaker 1: allegedly the first film to receive an X rating just
Speaker 1: due to violence.
Speaker 2: And it really feels like I amdbs, doesn't it. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it sounds good, but who.
Speaker 1: Knows if that's true. We're gonna say it is because
Speaker 1: they said it is. If anyone has any proof of
Speaker 1: any other movie that was, please let us know. And
Speaker 1: so what. And they just received this rating two weeks
Speaker 1: before it was supposed to be released. The film, and
Speaker 1: so the projectionists, individual projectionists were told, just cut the
Speaker 1: film however you see fit to meet the standards of
Speaker 1: your local community.
Speaker 2: So they're I'm even just cut out like ten minutes,
Speaker 2: like there was ten minutes that played and that was it.
Speaker 2: That's all right.
Speaker 1: So there could be two hundred versions of this movie
Speaker 1: out there, because they played in about two hundred theaters.
Speaker 1: And each projectionist was told, just cut cut where you
Speaker 1: feel like your community would object and so that would
Speaker 1: be a scene that might get cut out a lot,
Speaker 1: is that scene between blonde cult member and the construction.
Speaker 2: Workers and Iris Brooks, But I love Yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: a blonde cult member.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was. It's an important scene for the
Speaker 1: context of the film because it's also intercut with the
Speaker 1: explanation of what's happening. You know, Grandpa says they have
Speaker 1: rabies or hydrophobia, and so you have some exposition going on,
Speaker 1: and then it cuts back to blonde cult member getting
Speaker 1: assaulted and put in the shower and turn the water
Speaker 1: on and so that you know, freaks around because of
Speaker 1: the hydrophobia fear of water. Yeah, and so all of that.
Speaker 1: If you cut that out, it you do lose some context.
Speaker 1: And this is not a context heavy movie by any meanings,
Speaker 1: but still you would you wouldn't miss out on that
Speaker 1: what's really happening with the rabies?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be anything, Like I I was thinking
Speaker 2: about that this week. It's like, is each progressive uh
Speaker 2: romero zombie movie happens, we get a better explanation by
Speaker 2: by day, like they know totally what it is. They're
Speaker 2: working on a cure. But I love like in Dawn
Speaker 2: It's like it could really be anything. It could be
Speaker 2: a Jupiter probe, it could be a plague. It could
Speaker 2: just be the Hell's full and it's a or it's voodoo,
Speaker 2: or it's something else. But it's like in this, it's like, no,
Speaker 2: it's just I don't want to test this. But I
Speaker 2: don't know if rabies could be they have a better
Speaker 2: chance of getting rabies from the rat a than this,
Speaker 2: because what i't the heat of cooking the meat pies,
Speaker 2: cook off the rape. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think after it was cooked, okay, but I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think right esus transmitted that way necessary. I
Speaker 1: think then the question the science becomes would the gastric
Speaker 1: acids destroy you know, does it have to enter the
Speaker 1: bloodstream directly and not through the eating it? You know,
Speaker 1: probably have to be.
Speaker 2: The beginning of COVID where they're like, hey, don't go
Speaker 2: to salad bars, and I'm like, it's not transmitted by
Speaker 2: crew tions guys, Like it's like.
Speaker 1: I'd be scared of salad bars. Any communal, any flue, cold,
Speaker 1: any sort of virus.
Speaker 2: We have to figure out where we eat when we
Speaker 2: meet up, because like I eat gas stations and salad bars.
Speaker 2: My system for the times, is it? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the gas station would be safer in this case,
Speaker 1: I think. I don't know. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: ever been a Golden Corral and it's just uh.
Speaker 2: They all went out of business in Pittsburgh. But yeah,
Speaker 2: just gold and crowds upsetting. I probably wouldn't go to
Speaker 2: a lot of buffets like a Vegas buffet maybe not
Speaker 2: to think about it. I don't know they have. I
Speaker 2: used to go to them all the time.
Speaker 1: I have a chocolate fountain at Golden Corral, and you
Speaker 1: would just see kids just like sticking their hand in
Speaker 1: it and licking it and sticking their hand. I can't.
Speaker 1: I just can't. Oh my god, I can't.
Speaker 2: No. No, I love that, like once this gets going,
Speaker 2: like there's just like maybe you know a lot of
Speaker 2: the movies that we'll watch have padding and stuff in
Speaker 2: that this is a pretty lean movie. Like once they
Speaker 2: eat the meat pies, it's not too long until we
Speaker 2: have all this craziness happening. It It comes together really quick. Also,
Speaker 2: I love that Corresponds random randomly walks around with a
Speaker 2: gun and just puts it at his members' heads, Like
Speaker 2: that's the kind of and just thinks it's the funniest
Speaker 2: thing in the world. Like it just he just doesn't care.
Speaker 2: This is his perfect time to be in because there's
Speaker 2: four other people and he can really just do whatever
Speaker 2: he wants.
Speaker 1: They did not use any prop weapons in this, by
Speaker 1: the way, so any he's a real their guns are real,
Speaker 1: the axes or and the so the actors were saying, well, uh,
Speaker 1: boshkar On that commentary was saying how the other actors
Speaker 1: were very scared of, you know, if something went wrong,
Speaker 1: you know, whenever the leg is cut off of that character.
Speaker 1: His name is Shelly. I wrote this down, And that's
Speaker 1: the one that they they end up tying up and
Speaker 1: they cut his foot and they hang him and swing
Speaker 1: the blood around on them. That's that's all in the trailer.
Speaker 1: And but they end up chopping his whenever once they
Speaker 1: get rabies. And the one that the Asian character whose
Speaker 1: name I can't remember.
Speaker 2: Oh, her name is Sun Lynn okay.
Speaker 1: And she has and she's who is she she's related
Speaker 1: to someone? Her name is Jayden Wong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she hasn't really crazy. Did you read the story
Speaker 2: about her drawing? Uh when she worked for the U.
Speaker 2: S O. Mm hmm, so like she was in the
Speaker 2: middle of at the end of World War Two. She
Speaker 2: actually went to Germany to entertain the troops and one
Speaker 2: of the helicopters she was in exploded. This might have
Speaker 2: been during the Korean War. Anyway. They said, you know,
Speaker 2: we have to jump out because this is you know,
Speaker 2: we don't think this is gonna be landable. And she
Speaker 2: asked for her makeup kit and they said there's no
Speaker 2: time for that. She said, there's gonna be reporters taking
Speaker 2: pictures when they get hit the ground, so I'm gonna
Speaker 2: put on my makeup. So she literally did her makeup
Speaker 2: as she was in the air. This really feels like
Speaker 2: a BS story, but I love it. I hope it's true.
Speaker 2: And she was honored by Congress for how many times
Speaker 2: she played in Deadly warsones. But she's in any movie
Speaker 2: that needs like an Asian dancer. She's in The King
Speaker 2: and I the Pink Panther Remaker of the Dragon. But
Speaker 2: she worked on Broadlank Cabaret a lot, and then finally
Speaker 2: she went into start her own talent management group and
Speaker 2: really like Joan Chen with Diamond Phillips, Lucy Lou Bailing
Speaker 2: and she had a ton of people that were in
Speaker 2: her group, and she actually uh worked with the Bernardo
Speaker 2: Bertolucci and a few other people for their movies. So like,
Speaker 2: her career is much bigger than this little bit that
Speaker 2: we see her. And it's like she had a wildlife
Speaker 2: already before she had already jumped out of he of
Speaker 2: a helicopter putting on makeup at this point in her life.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of I watched Airport in nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: five for the June's ploitation for the Linda Blair. We
Speaker 1: might talk more about June's ploitation later, but for the
Speaker 1: Linda Blair category, and that was it was who is
Speaker 1: it is it? Lillian Gish who was in Who's the Actress?
Speaker 1: In the old Yeah, and she was had her memoirs
Speaker 1: and that's what she was trying to get off the plane,
Speaker 1: and she wanted her her memoirs on that she had
Speaker 1: out on tape, and they were like, you can't take
Speaker 1: that with you. We'll bring it to you later.
Speaker 2: If you made the journey through like each of the airports, uh,
Speaker 2: where as they progressively get s and worse.
Speaker 1: I've only made it through the second one and I
Speaker 1: was listening to you know, Unsung Horrors and had their
Speaker 1: June's Plotation episode. This weekend, Erica watched Airport nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 1: She watched Airport nineteen seventy for her Disasters pick and
Speaker 1: I'm with her. She did not like it, and I
Speaker 1: did not like it either. I thought it was terrible.
Speaker 1: I thought it was boring. Oh, I want nineteen seven original. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's I was boring.
Speaker 2: And super long. If you watch it on TV, it
Speaker 2: would have been three hours. I'm here for it like
Speaker 2: that would have been like a good nap movie.
Speaker 1: I said, this was nominated for Best Picture. This is terrible.
Speaker 1: This is horrible, this one.
Speaker 2: That's why they new Hollywood had to destroy the studio
Speaker 2: system because things like that.
Speaker 1: But I said, I want to watch the rest of them.
Speaker 1: And so I watched Airport nineteen tis five and I
Speaker 1: loved it because well, of course Karen Black fign it too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Karen Black, the students have find a Plane.
Speaker 2: Oh it's great.
Speaker 1: I love it, recommend it.
Speaker 2: Every seventy seven gets even better.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm watching it.
Speaker 2: Nine is my favorite, and because I have no taste,
Speaker 2: but also like George Kennedy's character goes from being in
Speaker 2: the ground crew to somehow being a pilot. I don't
Speaker 2: think anybody in the history of flying planes has ever
Speaker 2: made this journey. And also it's a very male gaze movie.
Speaker 2: But there's one point where one of the sewardresses like,
Speaker 2: you know, I can't stand to be in here with
Speaker 2: you mail showing his pigs, and George Kennedy says, we're well,
Speaker 2: they don't call it the cockpit for nothing, darling, And
Speaker 2: he's the hero of the movie. He also shoots a
Speaker 2: flair gun out a window. He rolls the window down
Speaker 2: on the concorde and shoots a flare gun to get
Speaker 2: a heat seeking missile to go away from them. The
Speaker 2: science of this movie is literally Italian exploitation movie level science.
Speaker 2: That's probably why I like seventy nine. That and Concord
Speaker 2: Affair could are interchangeable, the Italian version of Airport seventy nine.
Speaker 2: So you've been listening to anyways, this is not an
Speaker 2: airport show airport podcast word creep show two. This is
Speaker 2: probably edit out anyways.
Speaker 1: No, it's not gonna get edited out at all. Oh,
Speaker 1: because I don't care what I don't care what Riverside,
Speaker 1: the co creator tells me whenever they give me editing
Speaker 1: notes of saying, y'all you went on a The last
Speaker 1: one was did you think you needed to talk about
Speaker 1: Creep Show two for four minutes?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that we did. Yes, and it's staying in.
Speaker 2: It wasn't enough, right, it wasn't get used to it.
Speaker 1: Riverside. This is the way, this is the way this
Speaker 1: is gonna work.
Speaker 2: Horace Bones can take as much acid as he wants
Speaker 2: and he like heart it goes through it just fine.
Speaker 2: But just give him a little bit of rabies and
Speaker 2: he's tripping balls, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 2: when he finds that dude come with the AXI, He's
Speaker 2: like I'd never seen no body before. He's like totally
Speaker 2: like wow, Like he's so into it. I love him.
Speaker 2: I have no notes for bash Car other than I
Speaker 2: wish he hadn't been paralyzed in the seventhies, like because
Speaker 2: that's why he stopped really being this. He's great in
Speaker 2: this movie.
Speaker 1: He's fantasy. He could and I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: that with his his accident, so he didn't. He fell
Speaker 1: off the stage. It was what maybe within a year
Speaker 1: or so, of this film, in this movie, and he
Speaker 1: was working on another production and he the lights went
Speaker 1: out and he fell off a stage and he had
Speaker 1: a fracture in his back that left him paralyzed. Which
Speaker 1: I mean that should not end someone's career, obviously, he
Speaker 1: I mean in that day, it was. But because you
Speaker 1: would just have you know, able body people put them
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair and that's it. You know, you would
Speaker 1: and you would never write a role for someone in
Speaker 1: a wheelchair and to just be yeah, living their life.
Speaker 1: But that's what And I don't want to make it
Speaker 1: out like he's an inspiration because I know that you know,
Speaker 1: in the disability community, you're not trying to be an
Speaker 1: inspiration to anyone. You're just trying to live your life.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But he he was able to pivot to like I
Speaker 1: think painting or art. He went on with his life
Speaker 1: and he found other interests and other means. And it's
Speaker 1: a shame that he was able to be in more films,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that you know, he said he went
Speaker 1: through all the stages of grief and all the Kobler
Speaker 1: Ross things, and you know, it came to acceptance and
Speaker 1: he said, this is the way it's gonna be and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna be an artist now. And
Speaker 1: he sold many paintings and good for him.
Speaker 2: He's the only person in the cast that was nominated
Speaker 2: for an Oscar. He was in a short, the Creation
Speaker 2: of Woman. I love that, like whenever you look your
Speaker 2: people's IMDb and it says like, I did not expect
Speaker 2: anyone from my drink your Blood to be an Oscar
Speaker 2: nom but here we are.
Speaker 1: It's what if Helen Hayes can win an Oscar for
Speaker 1: Airport nineteen seventeen, anyone can?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that's kind of like end of the year,
Speaker 2: end of the career kind of things, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, where it's like, hey, we know we never
Speaker 2: gave you an Oscar, but let's give you one for this,
Speaker 2: Or can you be Michael Caine and be like sorry
Speaker 2: that I can't accept my award. I'm making Jaws four.
Speaker 2: I if my poor mom came up on the fourth
Speaker 2: of July and she's like, why are you watching? She
Speaker 2: draws four and I'm like, we watch it every year
Speaker 2: on the fourth of Jus We watch every Jaws and
Speaker 2: this is Beca's favorite. And when it was over, she
Speaker 2: looked me dead in the eyes and said, this is
Speaker 2: the dumbest movie I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 2: And I said, I know, isn't it great? And she's like, no,
Speaker 2: it's horrible, and I'm like, you'll never understand me. And
Speaker 2: then I cried and ran my room like I was
Speaker 2: sixteen again.
Speaker 1: So that's the one where the shark goes. The shark
Speaker 1: travels to the bombers or whatever out of revenge.
Speaker 2: It goes the water and saltwater Jaws of the revenge,
Speaker 2: and it's also a psychic shark that can roar. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there's also a romance between Roy Scheider's widow and
Speaker 2: Michael Caine playing HOGI it's it's I want to reclaim
Speaker 2: that movie, like I. Nobody else is trying to do that,
Speaker 2: Like Freeze even is just as bad, if not worse.
Speaker 2: My wife does not like two. She thinks it's boring.
Speaker 2: She loves three.
Speaker 1: Two. I'm with her to yeah, boring.
Speaker 2: And those kids are idiots, like right, get him out.
Speaker 2: I think Cruel Jaws is better than two three or four.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna die on that hill alone. I think Great
Speaker 2: White is better than two three and four two anyway,
Speaker 2: is this a Jaws podcaster?
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Jaw some more. I was looking to say,
Speaker 1: when did I watch Jaws the Revenge last? And it
Speaker 1: was in twenty twenty, and I said, I didn't hate Oh,
Speaker 1: you got to watch it again, and I would watch
Speaker 1: it again before Jaws two. That's what I said in
Speaker 1: my letterbox review.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Jaws two is just like Crawls. I love
Speaker 2: that Roy Scheider would take roles that he didn't even
Speaker 2: want to do, just so he wouldn't make another Jaws movie.
Speaker 2: Like that's why he's in Blue Thunder. He's like, I
Speaker 2: don't I know they're getting carried up to make another Jaws.
Speaker 2: Get me into your helicopter movie, and he was fine
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: Ida great.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh my god. I love him so much. I
Speaker 2: love anytime I just think of him. At the end
Speaker 2: of Jaws, when he's like, smile you son of a bitch.
Speaker 2: Whatever he shoots it, it's so great, Like it's oh,
Speaker 2: I love him in that movie. That rack focus when
Speaker 2: he's on the beach and he realizes the shark attacks
Speaker 2: happening is just so good, like where I am there
Speaker 2: with him through Wow, he's like just so every man
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: My last jow movie doesn't.
Speaker 2: Have Yeah, what is your jobs for? Okay?
Speaker 1: Tell me my last note on Jo just the Revenge,
Speaker 1: because I just have to say is that it includes
Speaker 1: the song from by the Jets, You've Got It All,
Speaker 1: You Got It All, which is the best power ballad
Speaker 1: the eighties produced, because the girl who sings that is
Speaker 1: like twelve years old and it's phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh I love when more movies should have
Speaker 2: love theme from is what I think? Like when there's like.
Speaker 1: The love theme from I Drink Your.
Speaker 2: Blood, wouldn't it be great if I there's only the
Speaker 2: one romantic scene where they're in the uh, the cop
Speaker 2: and her, and there'd be just like a little like
Speaker 2: maybe a Chicago song would be in that such an
Speaker 2: like the inspiration would be playing that. That's in an achronism.
Speaker 2: Put it in the IMDb notes every day. I'm coming
Speaker 2: from this. The last movie I watched before the show
Speaker 2: was The Stoned Age, and that was a whole movie
Speaker 2: written about led Zeppelin, and at the last minute led Zeppelin,
Speaker 2: of course wouldn't let them use anything. They're like, well,
Speaker 2: we'll use Bluster called it instead. Wildly different audiences like
Speaker 2: not as many people. I love blewis you call this
Speaker 2: whole movie is for people that love blueister call it?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, why did this movie fail? Certainly people
Speaker 2: know veterans of Psychic Wars as well as I do.
Speaker 1: No, oh yeah, so okay, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: I drink your blood? Okay, So do you think do
Speaker 1: you think this is and this is not getting none
Speaker 1: of this is getting edited out. We're just gonna lean
Speaker 1: more into this as we go along. I think, all right,
Speaker 1: So do you think we're gonna talk about another movie
Speaker 1: that we talked about last episode two, which is David
Speaker 1: cronenberg Berg's Rabbit. Do you think, yeah? How inspired by
Speaker 1: this film do you think Cronenberg was? Because there are
Speaker 1: lots of similarities.
Speaker 2: I totally think so. I love the Kronenberg I mean
Speaker 2: he was inspired by Emmanuel in the in the Cannibals, right,
Speaker 2: because that's why he made Video Drum, because he saw
Speaker 2: it on TV either that or Minoan in America and
Speaker 2: he was like, who would enjoy this? What if there
Speaker 2: was a whole channel of it? And I love the
Speaker 2: Video Drum set in Pittsburgh, Thanks It's the worst city
Speaker 2: in the US. Dave and saying it. I'm like, David,
Speaker 2: what do you have against my hope too? I love
Speaker 2: it so much, but yeah, this feels like that and
Speaker 2: also that when Lowery's also win Shivers too. Another Cronberg movie,
Speaker 2: It's and it's like wow, like do you think At
Speaker 2: some point she said to her agent, like, am I
Speaker 2: the go to person for movies about infectious diseases running
Speaker 2: wild in closed communities? Because I've done it a couple
Speaker 2: of times.
Speaker 1: I love that she gets She has no lines in
Speaker 1: this movie, but she gets a name. Her name is Carrie,
Speaker 1: but blonde girl does not get a name right.
Speaker 2: She is an She's wonderful in this movie, but she's
Speaker 2: also changeous, like she is like her eyes are almost
Speaker 2: like black in it, like were her only a white
Speaker 2: showing she's very unique looking. And it's just like I
Speaker 2: know that if she went to my high school, I
Speaker 2: would be making her mixtapes and she would hate me,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? I'd be like I.
Speaker 1: Would put the jets You've got it all on the.
Speaker 2: Shape, I would make her one that would be ninety
Speaker 2: Sisters of Mercy and then just like maybe like I'm
Speaker 2: like try it would be very like uh, nascent alternative goth.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put the Pixies on it. That would feel
Speaker 2: too heavy, like she's like she would like early Mazzie
Speaker 2: Star before fade into you. I'm trying to think what
Speaker 2: else I would put. That should be a project, Sam,
Speaker 2: Why don't you just go off and make shut up
Speaker 2: and go off and make a playlist for the character
Speaker 2: you have the biggest crush on in the movie. I will. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's do that, Bashgar. Here's your playlist.
Speaker 1: I fill our Patreon for me speak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. People are gonna pay for that. Holy the
Speaker 2: world's crazy.
Speaker 1: Uh. I love it when when characters literally go for
Speaker 1: a roll in the hay and that happens in this
Speaker 1: movie where our Andy who was the cult member who
Speaker 1: did not eat the meat pie and the cult member No,
Speaker 1: not the cult member this I guess she's the sister
Speaker 1: who he was seeing u who was assaulted at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie Sylvia. They roll around, they they
Speaker 1: go into hayloft and roll in the hay uh and
Speaker 1: until Pete finds them, of course Pete.
Speaker 4: Yeah, have you ever Matthew all these deeply personal questions,
Speaker 4: I've never rolled in the hey Bill and I have
Speaker 4: talked about this on our Groovy jym, like it seems
Speaker 4: really gross to roll in the hay am.
Speaker 1: I I identify as urban as well, so I uh,
Speaker 1: but I had been around Hey once when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. My dad was from Ohio and we went
Speaker 1: up there for some like a school reunion or family
Speaker 1: reunion or something and ended up somewhere and they had
Speaker 1: hay and I was it's just not something I really
Speaker 1: care to be around. To be honest, I did a Hey.
Speaker 2: We do a lot of hay rides here in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: It's like a big thing over Halloween, and like it's
Speaker 2: not comfortable to sit on. And then I think, like
Speaker 2: do I really want to get that exposed and roll
Speaker 2: on Hey? Like it doesn't seem sex. It seems gross
Speaker 2: to me, like it would look I'm no shrinking Violet.
Speaker 2: But you know it's like, oh, what's on your b
Speaker 2: DSM do's and do not. It's like my hard limit
Speaker 2: is hey, I don't want My safe word is safe word,
Speaker 2: and my hard limit is Hey.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like jumping into a pile of leaves
Speaker 1: that you don't want to do that either.
Speaker 2: But it feels like stabby leaves like there's like stocks,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Coming out of it? Like,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine just rolling around in your own I
Speaker 2: can't find a comfortable way to lay on this. Hey,
Speaker 2: I don't know the people that like Hey also like
Speaker 2: pillows that have real feathers in them, which is I
Speaker 2: think barbaric and like also painful. I don't like it,
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry if I'm insulting you by making fun
Speaker 2: of people that white pillows like that.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the demise of these characters. Because
Speaker 1: rabies is incurable, They're going to all have to die
Speaker 1: one way or the other. So one that I forgot
Speaker 1: about is the Molly, who's the pregnant character. She's carrying
Speaker 1: Horace's child. And she has a fantastic wig that she
Speaker 1: pulls off from time to witch.
Speaker 2: It off, and that one, yeah, she picks off. I
Speaker 2: give the same hair under the wig.
Speaker 1: How that I had to take This is another aside.
Speaker 1: I had to take my cat to the vet yesterday
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there and I'm just scrolling. I get
Speaker 1: a the way my mind is right now. I have
Speaker 1: so much going on in my life. The only thing
Speaker 1: I can really watch or things that are very familiar.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching a ton of The Golden Girls reruns
Speaker 1: that I could recite by heart, and I'm really loving
Speaker 1: Roku has a channel devoted to the Price is Right,
Speaker 1: the Barker, the bober Era. Okay, and he's a terrible person.
Speaker 1: He's a terrible person, but a great show man, I guess.
Speaker 2: But my dog is enraged because that's why my dog
Speaker 2: doesn't have bass because of Bob Barker's Well, have your thoughts.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm watching. A lot of is game
Speaker 1: old eighties game show. But so there was a clip,
Speaker 1: of course in my feed that was from Super Password
Speaker 1: from the eighties. Bert Convey uh directed it, who was
Speaker 1: in a great movie called Jennifer About which is a
Speaker 1: carry knockoff. But anyway, I.
Speaker 2: Love Burt Conbe showing up randomly in movies. I just
Speaker 2: want to say it. He's a good random show up.
Speaker 1: So it was he was hosting and uh, Rip Taylor
Speaker 1: was one of the celebrity guestses Rip Taylor and Patty Duke,
Speaker 1: and Patty Duke accidentally says the word the password and
Speaker 1: Rip Taylor takes his wig off and like creates such
Speaker 1: a scene and I had never we had never seen
Speaker 1: Rip Taylor take his wig off. It was fantastic. Go
Speaker 1: look this up. It was hi, he looks fan. He's
Speaker 1: so funny and there's a silly way, you know.
Speaker 2: He's one of those comedians that whenever I would just
Speaker 2: make a YouTube like deep dive of watching Rip Taylor
Speaker 2: on shows, and my wife will say to me, because
Speaker 2: she was born uh what thirteen or fourteen years after me,
Speaker 2: so she missed the era of TV where people just
Speaker 2: had a character like who was the guy that said? Oh, yes,
Speaker 2: like those kind of people. She doesn't understand these these
Speaker 2: people and they show up. She's like, why do you
Speaker 2: think Rip Taylor is so funny? And I'm like, how
Speaker 2: can you not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so silly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just like it's just he hosted a
Speaker 2: beauty show, the Dollar ninety eight Beauty Pageant when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, and it was I watched every episode.
Speaker 2: I watched Madam's Place for Fox's sake, all right, and
Speaker 2: my and my wife's like, wait, you guys, this old
Speaker 2: prostitute is upping and the like, and this was a career.
Speaker 2: I'm like, can't his own TV show, Madam's Place? Like
Speaker 2: we accepted madam is a real person in the seventies,
Speaker 2: this is how things work.
Speaker 1: So Molly a channel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she takes her wig off and I was
Speaker 2: like expecting her to have different hair, and she has
Speaker 2: the same hair under the wig, which is a move, right,
Speaker 2: that's a fucking power move.
Speaker 1: So she ends up killing herself and her her unborn child,
Speaker 1: and it's I had forgotten about that part, and it's
Speaker 1: it's very sad. And but the director again, you know,
Speaker 1: she was, you know, asking this director, David Durston, you know,
Speaker 1: his motivation to the you know who's like, you don't
Speaker 1: have anything sad it ever happened in your life? You know,
Speaker 1: can I slap you? Maybe? Can can that work? But
Speaker 1: in this case, she had to come up with her
Speaker 1: own thought of like, well, this is Horace's baby, and
Speaker 1: Horace is kind of a terrible person, and I don't
Speaker 1: really want this baby anyway, So I'm gonna say I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna save this baby by killing it in myself
Speaker 1: instead of giving it rayby So I mean that's.
Speaker 2: Dark, Yeah, me dark, It's Horace's baby is gonna end
Speaker 2: up being does evil skip a generation? It feels like
Speaker 2: that baby could be really bad.
Speaker 1: We get a fight between Rolo and Horace here at
Speaker 1: the end, and it was kind of like, this is
Speaker 1: the moment where I've been waiting for. Rollo is the
Speaker 1: is our black character who I loved. He I loved
Speaker 1: his line where he says, guess who's coming to din Den?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very of its time. He's also when God
Speaker 2: told me to I totally forgot he's in that too.
Speaker 1: And they have a fight. Are they both killed in
Speaker 1: that fight? I can't remember, So I.
Speaker 2: Think they both kind of just like wipe each other out.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we need to talk about before that, Horace
Speaker 1: and the python.
Speaker 2: He has a journey he goes out of like vision
Speaker 2: quest assisted vision quest.
Speaker 1: He stumbles upon, well, I guess one of the only
Speaker 1: other people in this town is this guy who has
Speaker 1: a python petting zoo sort of situation set up and he, uh,
Speaker 1: Horace pulls out that python and the guy comes. The
Speaker 1: owner comes a confront horse who kills him and he's
Speaker 1: like put him in a choke hold and the guy's
Speaker 1: dentures fallout, which was again.
Speaker 2: That was real though Right did that.
Speaker 1: It was real and it wasn't scripted. It was not planned,
Speaker 1: but it it's one of those moments that it's like,
Speaker 1: that's some fortunate, unintentional humor in this movie What is not?
Speaker 1: The python really died in real life from it and
Speaker 1: I let you about Boshkar was saying he thought he
Speaker 1: did it because he kind of chokes that python, and
Speaker 1: Durston was saying, no, they told me it was because
Speaker 1: of the heat and the lights from the from the
Speaker 1: uh filming. I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is the same guy that was like, we didn't
Speaker 2: really kill any of these frats, we exactly.
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I don't know why they were so
Speaker 1: upset when I just slapped that actress a couple of times.
Speaker 2: I mean, people, should I just walked up and slapped
Speaker 2: a woman in the face and why would you be mad? They? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a rough customer. He's also amazingly from my hometown.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this before I started watching this. He's
Speaker 2: from Newcastle, PA, which is the town right next to mine.
Speaker 2: And I was like, what, yeah, and my mom said,
Speaker 2: that's actually a well known name in the town. But
Speaker 2: she didn't know who he was because he would have
Speaker 2: been probably like six or seven years older, closer to
Speaker 2: my dad's age, but uh yeah, which is crazy. Also,
Speaker 2: Spencer Logan is his other name. That was his name
Speaker 2: when he made adult like Manhole, which has Zebite and.
Speaker 1: Jamie boy Napped. Boy Napped was another one they made
Speaker 1: the statue.
Speaker 2: No, it's they're two different movies. I didn't watch them.
Speaker 2: I didn't do any research. Sorry, I did my own research.
Speaker 2: I watched James The Revenge. Yeah, like, Sam, do you
Speaker 2: not care about this podcast? All you want to talk
Speaker 2: about is Jaws Revenge? We I'm here to talk about
Speaker 2: boy Napped.
Speaker 1: I watched it.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Sorry, I didn't mean too.
Speaker 1: I did watch. I did watch, Yeah, do some homework now.
Speaker 1: I did watch Stigma, which was oh yeah, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that and and yeah later and once we
Speaker 1: if we ever make it to the end of Watching
Speaker 1: Your Blood, we'll talk about some more other man.
Speaker 2: I I did watch another movie for research for this,
Speaker 2: The Virgin Sacrifice. It's a ripoff remix where somebody took
Speaker 2: Devil's due the adult movie opera Lizard and a Woman's
Speaker 2: Skin and I Drink Your Blood and made their own
Speaker 2: like four minute bite movie. But they posted it on
Speaker 2: YouTube as if it came out in the sixties and
Speaker 2: that it was the Church of Satan made it if
Speaker 2: they didn't, like instantly when you watch, is it sad
Speaker 2: that as soon as it started, I said, oh, that's
Speaker 2: that adult movie. Vindegar Syndrome put out Devil's Due like
Speaker 2: in two seconds, and I'm like, am I the pervert?
Speaker 2: Am I the problem? Yes? I recognize Andrea True and
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's that's me. But anyways, I wanted
Speaker 2: to find out it was a real movie, and no
Speaker 2: it wasn't. As soon as I saw when we see
Speaker 2: it's in there and presented as if it really happened.
Speaker 2: The scene with the cutting knife, and I'm like that also,
Speaker 2: do you love that she just shows up at that
Speaker 2: family's they're having a great look at ham and she's like,
Speaker 2: you know what if I just picked up this electric
Speaker 2: carving knife. I think about this every year because now
Speaker 2: that I'm the oldest male in the family, which is
Speaker 2: scary for my family, I'm sure that I'm the provider
Speaker 2: and protector. I'm the one that has to cut the turkey. Now.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know that patriarchy really comes out at holidays
Speaker 1: when it comes to carving meat and saying the blessing
Speaker 1: over the dinner, I will say. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: now we're all into the patriarchy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I'm like, why aren't twenty you guys
Speaker 2: cut it. Also, my dog gets a rotestify chicken every week,
Speaker 2: which is very similar to doing the turkey because he's
Speaker 2: reached the stage of Chihuahua where it's like, oh, I
Speaker 2: know that you've spent so much money on this fancy
Speaker 2: science diet. I would like a four dollars rotistic chick
Speaker 2: in a week, please, and you just acquiesce. This is
Speaker 2: why I can't have kids, because I can't even imagine, Like,
Speaker 2: I know, your daughter, just get married. I would just
Speaker 2: give her my debit card and say, go. That's kind
Speaker 2: of how I am with my dog. But yeah, that
Speaker 2: is the patriarchy. Your job as a man is to
Speaker 2: know how to just tear a checking open with your
Speaker 2: right like, uh, I.
Speaker 1: Don't want to.
Speaker 2: Could I have those special closet they sell for barbecuing
Speaker 2: that I see at Walmart? No, you could just do
Speaker 2: it with the fork.
Speaker 1: So there is some melodrama in this movie. I think
Speaker 1: there's a whole subplot with the owner of the bakery
Speaker 1: and the foreman of the construction worker the forman of
Speaker 1: the construction workers or whatever. I don't know how well
Speaker 1: that works. Actually, I love melodrama in movies, so maybe
Speaker 1: it does work well. That actress isn't it is not great.
Speaker 1: I don't think no, But maybe she is. Maybe she's
Speaker 1: playing exactly the role the way that that it needs
Speaker 1: to be played with that melodrama.
Speaker 2: And when he comes to investigate his men and the
Speaker 2: one guy comes out with his mouth foaming, he's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I know there's due process, and I
Speaker 2: know that I should probably handle this one way. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna shoot him. No questions asked, Like while he's
Speaker 2: standing with those two doctors, like, wow, what a leader.
Speaker 2: His guys turned so much faster than than Horace's people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they instantly get white mouthed and h crazy, And are
Speaker 2: we to believe that every one of these guys slept
Speaker 2: with that woman?
Speaker 1: Like that's a that's a good question. You know, they
Speaker 1: don't really explain how everyone got it.
Speaker 2: So yeah. They then they run across the set of
Speaker 2: Don't Go in the Woods Alone, as they like run
Speaker 2: through these rocks.
Speaker 1: Or and uh, and that was they just happened upon that,
Speaker 1: you know, location production value. Yeah, Yeah, it was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Also, I've learned from the scene that if I ever
Speaker 2: run into infected like this, all the skills that I
Speaker 2: learned from swimming in a pool as a kid will
Speaker 2: protect me. Like kick water at them, splash them with water,
Speaker 2: throw water balloons at them. That's how you protect yourself.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So at the end we're left with we
Speaker 2: have poor Andy gets decapitated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we have Pete, of course is still
Speaker 1: around and Sylvia. I guess that's his case. His sister
Speaker 1: is Sylvia, and Mildred is the bakery owner. So that's
Speaker 1: who's left. And I love that there they have Andy's
Speaker 1: head and they're just showing it in front of them
Speaker 1: like like like, oh, and the car won't start. Here
Speaker 1: we go again with the car won't start, Mildred.
Speaker 2: If I lived, the car not starting is my biggest
Speaker 2: nightmare more than Quicksand it happens that doesn't have anymore
Speaker 2: You don't hit the button and then like nothing.
Speaker 1: Happens, right, Yeah, but I get it happened all the time.
Speaker 1: You would think those cars would be more reliable, but
Speaker 1: they aren't.
Speaker 2: Kujo's a kid, I'm like, my car will always start,
Speaker 2: like that's like, I'm stuck in that car not starting.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, that won't happen.
Speaker 1: Fortunately for Mildred, there's a water hose right there by
Speaker 1: the house whenever they need to get to this car,
Speaker 1: and she's able to hose them away from since the
Speaker 1: hydroph Did she know that that that would work or
Speaker 1: was she just using whatever it was at her disposal
Speaker 1: to try to stop these people from encroaching.
Speaker 2: She's like, hippies are known for being dirty, so what
Speaker 2: if I do this, They're going to run. I think
Speaker 2: that's she's really just being racist. A gets hippies. So
Speaker 2: when the Deadly Spawn I love from want to get
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that.
Speaker 2: He died from the water.
Speaker 1: He must have killed Horace because he was still there
Speaker 1: at the end. Whenever, because that's yeah, Mildred sprays in
Speaker 1: the face and wipes all his foam off his face
Speaker 1: and he falls on to the top of the car
Speaker 1: and he acts like he's dead. I don't know what happens.
Speaker 1: Uh so, but didn't Mildred seem to get bit during
Speaker 1: that confrotation. We'll get back to that.
Speaker 2: Maybe they were setting up a sequel. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff that was that didn't end up being in
Speaker 2: the film, So like, I'm wondering if that's another one
Speaker 2: of the things that got cut out.
Speaker 1: Well, let's we'll get to that real fast, because this
Speaker 1: is really how the movie ends, is they they do
Speaker 1: get away, the police show up and take care of
Speaker 1: all of the infected. They just shoot him and kill him,
Speaker 1: and then a movie kind of ends. Pete gives this
Speaker 1: walking through a field. La la la la la. Everything's fine,
Speaker 1: everything's back to normal now, and that's the end. But
Speaker 1: there was an alternate ending that they said, I guess
Speaker 1: they called it the darker ending, where Mildred is in
Speaker 1: bed and the guy, her boyfriend, the construction worker foreman guy,
Speaker 1: comes in there and she ends up killing him and
Speaker 1: she's infected and that's how it ends. And I kin't
Speaker 1: like that ending more I think than Pete's walk into
Speaker 1: the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also supposedly an additional ending sequence where Pete
Speaker 2: tries to turn himself into the cops and they just
Speaker 2: laugh about it. So that's what leads to him walking
Speaker 2: through the field thinking about what he's done. I like
Speaker 2: the milder stuff better than that. That doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: if you're going to punish Pete like Milder should kill Pete.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's super dark.
Speaker 1: You just want Pete and dead. It's okay, we all know.
Speaker 2: I think he's a danger. He's a danger, right Like Oh,
Speaker 2: I love Rhoda and that cheap out ending where she
Speaker 2: has to pay for it. I love her so much.
Speaker 2: Like also my mother in law and child pictures look
Speaker 2: just like wrote a pen mark.
Speaker 1: Every girl in the in the forties and fifties like
Speaker 1: wrote up end mark.
Speaker 2: We were going through her old photos at the house.
Speaker 2: If my wife said to her, did you ever return
Speaker 2: that metal that that you stole for the for the
Speaker 2: handwriting competition? And she was like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: you're talking about. Explained the bad scene to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have said, what would you give me
Speaker 1: for a basket full of kisses? You know I'd give
Speaker 1: you a basket full of hugs?
Speaker 2: Did you kill that bum that was trying to lay
Speaker 2: in the Excelsior.
Speaker 1: In the excel sor like what is the Excelsior.
Speaker 2: Wood shavings? I only know that because stan Lee's to
Speaker 2: say it all the time, and I looked it up
Speaker 2: as a kid and it means woodshage. I thought it
Speaker 2: meant something like really like, uh, you know, intelligent. No,
Speaker 2: that's that's what it meant.
Speaker 1: It's flammable as what it is. And speaking of flammable,
Speaker 1: we have more fire here because we did forget to mention.
Speaker 1: As part of the deaths of the cult member, Sue
Speaker 1: Lynn sets herself on fire, just like the guy in
Speaker 1: the Crazy set himself on fire. Just you know that
Speaker 1: that emotionless Uh set yourself on fire and not move
Speaker 1: a muscle.
Speaker 2: I don't think we had yet reached the point where
Speaker 2: people could say, hang, you know what, that's really racist
Speaker 2: and I don't want to do it. She's like, I'm
Speaker 2: the only Asian person in this movie. Do I really
Speaker 2: have to be the person to set myself on fire?
Speaker 2: But back then, you know what, I'm just happy to
Speaker 2: be representation in the movie and if this is what
Speaker 2: I have to do, I don't know. It's that always
Speaker 2: like kind of hits me. Weird that she's the one
Speaker 2: that does it, but uh, I don't know. I do
Speaker 2: you think today people would say the shorthand I would
Speaker 2: give to kids is like, oh, she does the Ragingus
Speaker 2: Machine album cover thing to herself because they don't understand
Speaker 2: where that came from. They're like, oh, that's just a picture, Mike. No,
Speaker 2: Like people were protesting the war by setting themselves on fire,
Speaker 2: and I still fought in the war.
Speaker 1: So that's the end of your blood. I wouldn't death.
Speaker 1: Bihydrophobia is terrible. It's a terrible death.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've read this is an IMDb trivia thing that
Speaker 2: I pulled for Aby's infections is actually a slow process.
Speaker 2: It does not happen as quick as in the movie.
Speaker 2: The incubation rages were too to eight weeks and rare occasions.
Speaker 2: It can vary from ten days to two years. You
Speaker 2: could have rabies for two years and not know it.
Speaker 2: If you're listening to the show right now and you're
Speaker 2: feeling you're starting to trip out, you bite have rabies.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1: The donner, I mean, there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 2: We get a lot to help you.
Speaker 1: You know, working in pharmacy, there's we would get a
Speaker 1: lot of people coming in for bites and they would
Speaker 1: get the rabies. You know, there's a rabies vaccines and
Speaker 1: you have to come in every There was a schedule.
Speaker 1: It was like five or six series or of injections
Speaker 1: that you would have to take after a bite of
Speaker 1: a potential Rabi's. So it's not but that's that's better
Speaker 1: than getting rabies itself.
Speaker 2: I would say this is more IMDb as supposedly the
Speaker 2: production use actual rabbit dogs in some shots under super vision.
Speaker 1: How do you see that supervision?
Speaker 2: I don't think that's true because they were like, do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? They're like, you know what,
Speaker 2: we can just use the regular dog and everybody will
Speaker 2: buy that. Is this? We're doing it for art, Like,
Speaker 2: you know what, it would be better if we made
Speaker 2: sure that is that the same rabbit dog?
Speaker 1: Is that the same person who supervised that Polar Bearer
Speaker 1: and Wild Beasts?
Speaker 2: I That movie upsets me, but I like it.
Speaker 3: I like.
Speaker 1: It bought Rats and rats being killed.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm speaking for the Italian people. As an Italian American,
Speaker 2: we love seeing rats get killed. I did a podcast
Speaker 2: with somebody that would had never watched an Italian movie before,
Speaker 2: and we did Rats the Night of Terror and they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, how do you think they did the effects
Speaker 2: where the rats are attacking people? I'm like, they just
Speaker 2: threw rats at people and they set them on fire,
Speaker 2: like they did not care. Like if you see in
Speaker 2: a sun an Italian movie, n chance that person got
Speaker 2: hurt or killed, you know, And it's the same thing here.
Speaker 2: So David Dunstan said that he had talked to somebody
Speaker 2: that was in a cult and he saw he talked
Speaker 2: to them about what their actual uh, their their rituals were,
Speaker 2: and he followed them for this movie again a couple
Speaker 2: of shit. That's like, it's a great story. That's like
Speaker 2: every satanic movie was like, we should get Anton LeVay
Speaker 2: to come and be on the set. And of course
Speaker 2: he's going to talk about it and say that he
Speaker 2: did a blessing for John Travolda during The Devil's Reign.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like it feels like
Speaker 2: the same thing here, like post Rosemary's Baby, the Astrosis,
Speaker 2: everybody had a story about the cursed set or you
Speaker 2: know that. You know, we used real rituals. We used
Speaker 2: a real rabid dog for like the Saint Kujo like
Speaker 2: that we can make it without that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what else you said, You didn't do a
Speaker 1: lot of research, And.
Speaker 2: I did research. I actually did research on the p Yes,
Speaker 2: but not.
Speaker 1: Watch not other films, but So if we talk about
Speaker 1: what to pair with this, what do you have? What
Speaker 1: would you pair?
Speaker 2: I think last week's movie is what the Crazies or
Speaker 2: Nightmare City? Those are the two. Yeah, nightmar If we're
Speaker 2: going with one that is from the book The Crazies,
Speaker 2: and then if it can be anyone, I would pick
Speaker 2: Nightmare City because, Uh, that has the best it was
Speaker 2: all a dream bullshit ending of any movie I've ever seen,
Speaker 2: almost to the point where I'm like, I buy it here.
Speaker 2: Also the best dummy drop ever off a roller coaster,
Speaker 2: know us, uh in a movie. So that's what I
Speaker 2: would pick.
Speaker 1: Well, what did you do? Well? Rabbit again? David Cernenberg's Rabbit,
Speaker 1: of course, will work. What I eat your skin would
Speaker 1: not work unless you just want to be real historical
Speaker 1: about it. Uh, And I wonder did you was it
Speaker 1: I drink your blood? Then you would watch I eat
Speaker 1: your skin? That's what that feels wrong.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, Like, doesn't that feel like you would
Speaker 2: be let down? It should be the other way round.
Speaker 1: It would be I would it would have to be.
Speaker 1: I would think I would not This a.
Speaker 2: Hard movie to follow? Doesn't it feel like a tough
Speaker 2: one to follow? Yeah, there's just so much that happens
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: I thought about, if I want to be really cute,
Speaker 1: I would pair with Old Yeller and watch Old Yeller
Speaker 1: and then I drink your skin, And I think that
Speaker 1: would that would be fun, That would be a fun night.
Speaker 1: That was my first introduction to Raby's was Old Yeller Hydrophoby.
Speaker 1: He called it Hydrophoby.
Speaker 2: My mom said to me, You're not allowed to watch
Speaker 2: this movie. And that was like, you know, usually I
Speaker 2: would hear that stuff about Gore right and not this.
Speaker 2: You can't watch Old Yeller. Why you'll be upset by it?
Speaker 2: And of course I had to watch it.
Speaker 1: That was I was introduced very early to Old Yeller.
Speaker 1: We had whenever was a kid, we had a ceed player,
Speaker 1: and so that was the only one I had, the
Speaker 1: only movie that I wanted. I was like, can I
Speaker 1: can we get Friday the thirteenth? No, here's Old Yeller?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Which one is really more traumatizing? Do you think I
Speaker 1: probably think Old Yeller?
Speaker 2: Look get a dog? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can I have a dog and watch Old Yeller? Is
Speaker 1: what happens?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: They get hydrophobic.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to do this subday side.
Speaker 1: You're also going to go have to go mark mark pigs.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to climb up a tree and pull
Speaker 1: a pig up to mark them. But I guess what
Speaker 1: I'd go with because we talked and we did talk
Speaker 1: about early with Stigma, which was Durson's follow up film here,
Speaker 1: and that film has a very young Philip Michael Thomas
Speaker 1: who is a doctor who was unfortunately incarcerated. He had
Speaker 1: performed an illegal abortion and he was sent to jail
Speaker 1: and his mentor helped him get out early for release,
Speaker 1: and he was going to come back to work with
Speaker 1: his mentor in this town. And it turns out when
Speaker 1: he gets there, the doctor's dead. And the only thing
Speaker 1: that we know is that doctor left the tape of
Speaker 1: some sort of sickness plague sort of thing was fixing
Speaker 1: the sweep through the town. But we don't know what
Speaker 1: it is. We don't, you know, we don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on when yeah, it turns out to be syphilis.
Speaker 1: And it's really an interesting movie. I really really liked it.
Speaker 1: It's very different. It's not horror. I guess some horrific
Speaker 1: things happen, but it's not horror at all. It's really
Speaker 1: more just kind of a drama mystery. You don't know
Speaker 1: who the villains are per se. Yeah, so yeah, check
Speaker 1: that out.
Speaker 2: No about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't have enough watches log views on letterbox.
Speaker 1: I would recommend everyone checked that out. It was on
Speaker 1: to be I think.
Speaker 2: Everything is though.
Speaker 1: I think everything everything worthwhile is for sure.
Speaker 2: If you'd like to see my parents' trip to Orlando
Speaker 2: in the seventies, it's on twob You can see them
Speaker 2: go to Disney World. You know that they're running us.
Speaker 2: I actually had a teacher that did that. He ran
Speaker 2: out of movies and he said, you know what, let's
Speaker 2: watch Why don't we watch one of the one of
Speaker 2: my family's vacation movies. And we're like, what are we
Speaker 2: learning from this? What I learned is sometimes teachers get
Speaker 2: drunk at lunch and don't want to teach you anymore.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he should have let us watch this movie.
Speaker 2: I would have learned all about rabies. It's the end
Speaker 2: of this when they're all on top of the car,
Speaker 2: all going crazy and beaten on the car. It's terrifying.
Speaker 2: But also what's interesting is like the evil has moved past,
Speaker 2: like Horsebones and Rollo have killed one another, and now
Speaker 2: the evil is the disease to peak caused versus like
Speaker 2: we've been set up to think that that's the main
Speaker 2: bag guy of the whole movie, and his death is
Speaker 2: kind of an anti climax a bit you kind of
Speaker 2: want the cops to shoot them, or I don't want
Speaker 2: the cops to shoot them. I love them, I want
Speaker 2: them to live. I just want to set I got it?
Speaker 2: What Like suddenly there's a clip out of context to
Speaker 2: me saying, oh, yeah, cops should kill horse bones. No,
Speaker 2: they shouldn't defund these police. But that's my feeling. They
Speaker 2: shoot a lot at the end, too, Like it's very
Speaker 2: really they like there's a bunch of stock footage from
Speaker 2: other movies of guns being loaded, guns at night, guns
Speaker 2: of flashing. It's like, this is very much like what
Speaker 2: would happen. This is the most realistic part of the movie.
Speaker 1: So that's how I drink your blood. If you haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, what are you doing here at this point?
Speaker 2: I guess, But you're like, why did I listen.
Speaker 1: For an hour and a half talk about I brought
Speaker 1: in some titles for you, though, so good alternate titles here.
Speaker 2: We already talked about hydrophobia, ben Italy. This was called
Speaker 2: Mortivvente the Ray which of the living dead, this is
Speaker 2: not a zombie movie. In Japan it was called Execution
Speaker 2: squad zapp with two peas. I love it. I love
Speaker 2: that title. Uh. And the reason I'm telling you this
Speaker 2: is that one of the two German titles will tell
Speaker 2: you why you may have picked a double feature, the
Speaker 2: one isd Satan's Bond Day the Satan Gang. But it
Speaker 2: was also called Darrel tau Rousian, which means the rabid Ones.
Speaker 2: So were they like cashing in? Did that come out
Speaker 2: late enough that they're like, you know what? This could
Speaker 2: be rabbid zero? So yeah. There was also going to
Speaker 2: be a remake of this at one point, supposedly with
Speaker 2: David Derrison was going to edit it, but he didn't
Speaker 2: want to direct it. He wanted it to look better
Speaker 2: than what he did, and Sibil Danning was supposed to
Speaker 2: be the star in it.
Speaker 1: I'm working about Sibyl dans too. I watched what did
Speaker 1: I watch with Sybil Danning? Oh, the Day of the
Speaker 1: Cobra is what I watched recently with Sybil Danning.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it the other day and as
Speaker 2: a kid, that was my if you would ask me
Speaker 2: other kids. You know my age book. I like Tiffany,
Speaker 2: or I like Debbie Gibson. I like Sybil Danny and
Speaker 2: twelve year old me, fifty three year old me, she
Speaker 2: would kill me. Right, twelve year old me had no
Speaker 2: idea what I was in for. Right, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: Sybil Dannings are really pretty. Yeah, you're a fucking child.
Speaker 2: You're not ready. Like I saw, they're playing with fire, right,
Speaker 2: that kid? I hate that kids. He also has loved
Speaker 2: scenes with Sylvia Christyle and My Tutor or a private lesson.
Speaker 2: Sorry to everybody that loves Sylvia Cristell movies. It's just weird.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I had this crush, and it's
Speaker 2: probably the mean girl thing. She's a bean, short haired one,
Speaker 2: and that's that's my bread and butter.
Speaker 1: Right there, we'll say they're playing with fire for the Patreon.
Speaker 1: Then if you wanted all the Mama's family, all the
Speaker 1: Mama's Family fans can for that one.
Speaker 2: She is doing conventions, and I get so excited about
Speaker 2: Mama doing conventions in costume. This is good. I actually
Speaker 2: brought some questions for you though on this movie. Do
Speaker 2: you think that I drink your Blood is a backlash
Speaker 2: movie that reflects anxieties of Middle America towards the counterculture,
Speaker 2: and that hippies are kind of presented as postmanson drug
Speaker 2: field satanic threats. Do you think that was the idea
Speaker 2: of this movie or do you think it was just
Speaker 2: like yeah, that that works. But could do you think
Speaker 2: people could see it like a Starship Troopers maybe negative,
Speaker 2: not realizing what the story of the film is.
Speaker 1: I know, I think so. I think that there was
Speaker 1: definitely some intent of Again, he was told not to
Speaker 1: have villains of you know, like vampires and ghosts and stuff.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's when he looks to the papers
Speaker 1: of who is the villains of today, the real life
Speaker 1: villains or these same Neissippis. And it was such a
Speaker 1: you know, the satanic panic really came full throat in
Speaker 1: the eighties, but before that there was you know, it
Speaker 1: was so real at that time because of what had happened.
Speaker 1: Just this this singular event, the Charles Manson murders, was
Speaker 1: so uh, it's such so encapsulated that time and just
Speaker 1: it was kind of like probably the the oj Trial
Speaker 1: of that time of you know, everyone was told in
Speaker 1: as much I mean they didn't have in court cameras
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. And you know, but I'm sure every
Speaker 1: night people were wanting and you know, reading their papers
Speaker 1: or watching the news and we're just want to know
Speaker 1: what was going to.
Speaker 2: Show that shot on the news the girls with shaved
Speaker 2: heads and the you know, they had their head shaved
Speaker 2: and swasikas on their faces and they're all praying to court,
Speaker 2: singing and stuff like it was, I mean squeaking for
Speaker 2: I tried to kill Gerald Ford in like what seventy
Speaker 2: six or seventy seven. Yeah, the Manson story was a
Speaker 2: long story for America to live.
Speaker 1: Through, sure, and it kept going, you know, with Helter
Speaker 1: Skelter and different different movies and books about it even
Speaker 1: still to this day. I'm sure that people you know,
Speaker 1: are you know, it was one of the top serial
Speaker 1: not he wasn't a serial killer, but you know, I
Speaker 1: guess true crime stories.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing I think is interesting
Speaker 2: about this movie is it feels like, I know, it's
Speaker 2: a horror movie, but it has some like like we
Speaker 2: talked about like the TV like it looks kind of
Speaker 2: like a TV show from that era, but it's also
Speaker 2: like kind of a western like the town versus outsiders
Speaker 2: a little bit, and like, these people kind of ride
Speaker 2: in and they don't have good intentions for the town,
Speaker 2: and I thought there's something interesting about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. I haven't watched a ton
Speaker 1: of westerns, but yeah, the ones that that I have seen,
Speaker 1: they usually do perform that doesn't running motif in a
Speaker 1: lot of westerns is you know, you have these and
Speaker 1: of course the citizens or the good people, and these
Speaker 1: encroachers are the bad people. And you know, you know
Speaker 1: you'll eventually you'll find some westerns later on that kind
Speaker 1: of that's not always what's really going on. And so
Speaker 1: the these encroachers here are not great, but they're not
Speaker 1: that bad either, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My last question, I have two questions. One is
Speaker 2: that's the first one. Pete is clearly supposed to be
Speaker 2: the protagonist of this movie, and we thought this he
Speaker 2: commits mass murder, like everybody that dies in this movie
Speaker 2: is Pete's fault? Does do you think that the film
Speaker 2: expects us to root for him or we meant to
Speaker 2: realize that everybody in this town is horrible, including Pete.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I don't think that he intended
Speaker 1: Pete to be like considered a good character, not necessarily complicated.
Speaker 1: I think he's just kind of maybe just a kid.
Speaker 1: You know, like, what what is a kid this mind
Speaker 1: gonna do? You know, how is a kid gonna think
Speaker 1: that revenge is gonna be revenge on someone? And you
Speaker 1: know that's a that's a kid's way of thinking. I
Speaker 1: guess is kill a dogg in and checking blood with
Speaker 1: meat pies.
Speaker 2: I think he thinks it's like, you know when one
Speaker 2: of my friends day, say Nicholas, is that he has
Speaker 2: one of those rings that you put powder in, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, great, like why do you need this to
Speaker 2: poison me? But like whenever we see poison in movies
Speaker 2: as a kid, and someone like shakes that ring off,
Speaker 2: the person dies instantly. There's no like protracted sickness or
Speaker 2: anything in the same way like Rabi's is like, oh,
Speaker 2: like when you get hit by a snake in a movie,
Speaker 2: you die, Like that's it. You don't live. And I
Speaker 2: think that's maybe where his kid's brain's going. But last,
Speaker 2: and most importantly, because we did The Crazies last time,
Speaker 2: what of these two movies did you like more? Does
Speaker 2: it have to be a binary choice? I hate that
Speaker 2: Internet bullshit. You can only choose one and what goes
Speaker 2: away forever. You must destroy one thing that you love
Speaker 2: and only pick the other. But if you were to
Speaker 2: say which one do you like more?
Speaker 1: I like I drink carebllot more, just because it's the
Speaker 1: entertainment value and it's it's just a lot of fun
Speaker 1: and the characters are so memorable.
Speaker 2: I did love.
Speaker 1: I like the Crazies too, and I think I'm able
Speaker 1: to recommend The Crazies to more people than I am.
Speaker 1: I drinking blood. I was actually talking to our son
Speaker 1: who lives in Italy, who was asking me about this podcast,
Speaker 1: and he's like, should I watch? Should I watch these movies?
Speaker 1: He's not into horror at all. It's like, should I
Speaker 1: watch Don't Go in the House? And I said, no,
Speaker 1: you should not watch. I said, it's too dark and
Speaker 1: disturbing for you. You know, it's it's psychologically disturbing. I said,
Speaker 1: but I can recommend The Crazies to you because it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of tangential horror. It's has horror elements,
Speaker 1: is not pure horror. And I said, you'll like the
Speaker 1: way the it's really about the government and their response
Speaker 1: to a disaster and their ineptness and their the bureaucracies
Speaker 1: and all of that. I said, you you will really
Speaker 1: enjoy that. So that's a movie I can recommend.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: It seems like most people prefer the remake on The
Speaker 1: Crazies and the original one that I've talked to, And
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's kind of a they saw that
Speaker 1: one first. You sometimes, you know, if you ever hear
Speaker 1: a if you hear a remake of a song and
Speaker 1: then you hear the original version, you don't like that
Speaker 1: original advice versa. If you know the original and they
Speaker 1: make a remake, you don't like the remake. So it
Speaker 1: may just be a case of which one you see first.
Speaker 2: Or younger people that don't want to watch a movie
Speaker 2: that looks old or is paste old, and the new
Speaker 2: one is a little slicker. It has that mid two
Speaker 2: thousand's dark color palette. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It feels, but I don't know. I like. I would
Speaker 2: say I like I Drink your Blood more because it
Speaker 2: has memorable people and horse bones makes it like I think.
Speaker 2: If The Craziest has anything that I don't like about
Speaker 2: it is the enemy is us and it's it's also
Speaker 2: a bigger movie where it's like the whole world and like,
Speaker 2: you know, all the response from Washington. It's like a
Speaker 2: big like this could really happen thing, and it makes
Speaker 2: me think about how bad society is versus like I
Speaker 2: drink your Blood's like this isolated town, forty people are
Speaker 2: in it, there were four thousand others forty and one
Speaker 2: kid causes a whole bunch of chaos, and also like
Speaker 2: this one is very neat and clean, like, well, we
Speaker 2: killed all those people everything. That's fine because they didn't
Speaker 2: use the ending.
Speaker 1: Where they did not use the alternative ending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that alternative ending is the Romero ending. That's what
Speaker 2: he would have done. He'd be like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: if if Dunston had made They Love Me Dead, it
Speaker 2: would end with Ben walking out and having a cigarette
Speaker 2: on the porch and that's the end, and be like,
Speaker 2: good thing, I survived.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go them and then get to the fields.
Speaker 2: And then people would be like, oh, is that movie
Speaker 2: really a classic? He must sacrifice himself to be a class.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the old Yeller ending where you know,
Speaker 1: all these terrible things happen, but we have savage Sam
Speaker 1: or you know the puppy and say, you know.
Speaker 2: That's I love that. Like my town is known for
Speaker 2: a movie with the biggest down ending. It's like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I hate that? Here or you're cheering four
Speaker 2: watch two minutes of being dragged onto a woodpile and
Speaker 2: set on fire. Hey night, Living Dead's chipper little film.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what's her next film? It's your pick?
Speaker 2: Do you? Oh boy, let me think it's been a while.
Speaker 2: It's been a while since we thought about what they are.
Speaker 2: Remind me. This is how you remind me.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a deathbed.
Speaker 2: The bed. Yes, I actually was looking at I have
Speaker 2: a signed picture from the director over here. You have
Speaker 2: not seen it? Have you seen it yet?
Speaker 1: I still haven't seen it. Watch it. I have to
Speaker 1: watch it.
Speaker 2: I want you to tweet. I have to watch it
Speaker 2: as you watch it, like I want to want to
Speaker 2: get a text during it, and you'd be like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: say with movies insane. I am so excited. I want
Speaker 2: more people to watch Deathbed because it's you hear the
Speaker 2: title and you're like, this is gonna be really stupid.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. There's parts of it that are dumb,
Speaker 2: but there's also parts of it that approximate Aret and like,
Speaker 2: you're what this is wild? So I'm really excited to
Speaker 2: talk about it.
Speaker 1: We have some things to plug. I saw that you
Speaker 1: and I both have articles in this month's issue of
Speaker 1: The Physical Media Advocate. That was a coincidental. I don't
Speaker 1: think it wasn't playing necessarily. You wrote about Bad Dreams,
Speaker 1: so I haven't read it yet. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: reading it. I really did like Bad Dreams. I watched
Speaker 1: it for the person time a couple of years. I
Speaker 1: feel like, did I see it when it came out.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe I did, and I just kind
Speaker 1: of dismissed it.
Speaker 2: I dismissed it definitely.
Speaker 1: Marrin Elm Street ripoff sort of thing. And then I
Speaker 1: watched it in the last year or so, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is actually pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: Actually an interesting double feature for this movie because it's
Speaker 2: got a called in it too, burning and then fire
Speaker 2: a real person that set him off a fire. Richard
Speaker 2: Lynch really did that. That's why he has those scars.
Speaker 2: I love Richard Lynch. He's so good in that movie,
Speaker 2: and I think it rises above It's definitely inspired. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of it that's a lot like Dream Warriors,
Speaker 2: but I think it's really good, Like I'm a big
Speaker 2: defender of that movie. And then I looked it's the issue.
Speaker 2: I didn't realized how it was going to get laid out,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, god, I wrote ten pages.
Speaker 1: I saw it well, I was scrolling it. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's why I haven't read it. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: why is why is Sam's article so long and mine
Speaker 1: is so short?
Speaker 2: I felt like I didn't know. I said, what's the
Speaker 2: character count? And Rise like do whatever you want? And
Speaker 2: of course, being a writer, I was like, I think
Speaker 2: people need to read nine thousand words. It's longer than
Speaker 2: the script of probably a Bad Dreams and probably I've
Speaker 2: watched it more than anybody else. So yeah, it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: but I'm excited. I haven't gone through the issue. I've
Speaker 2: been saving it for this weekend, so I'm going to Yeah.
Speaker 1: So my article I try to hit am about If
Speaker 1: I hit fifteen hundred words, that's I'm doing really good.
Speaker 1: So I wrote about the exploitation classic Mom and Dad
Speaker 1: speaking of producers like the one Jerry Gross. Here we
Speaker 1: have Kroger bab who is the godfather of exploitation producing, right,
Speaker 1: I mean the King of Yeah, so it's it's really
Speaker 1: about him and his journey of bringing this film called
Speaker 1: Mom and Dad, which is a sex hygiene film. We'd
Speaker 1: say Joan is in trouble. Poor Joan. She gets herself
Speaker 1: pregnant in a very quick scene which they get they're
Speaker 1: in the car and they go down and they come
Speaker 1: back up that there's no sex shown in this movie.
Speaker 1: This was filmed in or released in nineteen forty five
Speaker 1: at the end of World War Two, and so what
Speaker 1: people wanted, they wanted sex in their movies, and but
Speaker 1: the you know, rating or there was not really I
Speaker 1: guess it's more like the Catholic code where all we
Speaker 1: had that time, you know, we had to really try
Speaker 1: to side step all of that the code business. And
Speaker 1: so what Kirker Babb did was he kind of encapsulated
Speaker 1: this film inside of this it's an educational film. It's
Speaker 1: this is a sex hygiene film. It's going to be
Speaker 1: educational in this, but there will be nudity shown on screen. Now,
Speaker 1: the nudity we get is speaking of syphilis, a syphilis
Speaker 1: and gonorrhea infected genitalia. This is what we get on screen,
Speaker 1: So that that's kind of what's going on in my article.
Speaker 1: And actually it works well with Stigma too because within
Speaker 1: Stigma there was a film within a film shown of
Speaker 1: kind of of course, it was called v D then
Speaker 1: the venereal Diseases, and it was all about, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to stop the spread of syphilis. And that's what
Speaker 1: we have here. But Kroger Bab the producer, of course,
Speaker 1: great marketing, and you would have separate screenings. Females would
Speaker 1: be shown the film and then they have screening just
Speaker 1: for male audience members. And I think the females they
Speaker 1: got to see the childbirth scenes and cesarean and this
Speaker 1: would be something people had never seen really in real life,
Speaker 1: so there is some value of education in there. And
Speaker 1: then the guys were shown the syphilis riddled genitalia like
Speaker 1: because that's that's kind of what the film is like.
Speaker 1: There's nothing worse for a girl. If a girl got pregnant,
Speaker 1: then their family has such shame and they have to
Speaker 1: leave the town and everything. But the guy who got
Speaker 1: the girl pregnant, you know, you're just gonna get of
Speaker 1: an aerial disease.
Speaker 2: I love the Kruger Bad would change up town to
Speaker 2: town how he was going to sell it. Like sometimes
Speaker 2: he would be like, well, this is a really moral town,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna sell it. Like if it doesn't sell
Speaker 2: as a lesson, it's gonna sell as something nobody wants
Speaker 2: you to see. And we'll put fake protesters out and
Speaker 2: if that doesn't work, I'm gonna put fumes into the
Speaker 2: air conditioning system of the theater and someone's going to
Speaker 2: pass out, and I'll make sure the newspaper's ready to
Speaker 2: record them take him out on a stretcher, and then
Speaker 2: the headline the next a will be movie upsets people
Speaker 2: so bad. Also like that movie is so another example
Speaker 2: of the male gaze, because guys went to see it
Speaker 2: just so they could see a female genitalia in the movie,
Speaker 2: whether riddled with syphilis or baby coming out of it,
Speaker 2: which you know, I don't have kids, so I had
Speaker 2: never seen this, and it is terrifying.
Speaker 1: So those who are starving, even the bitter taste sweet,
Speaker 1: I guess, so yeah, tell ye, that's all you got
Speaker 1: the thing we're going with.
Speaker 2: I also liked it at one point, he had it.
Speaker 2: These nineteen reels have been going across the country, and
Speaker 2: a different doctor and nurse in every town selling the
Speaker 2: book that went with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they would just stop midway and they would
Speaker 1: have a lecture of you know, all about what you
Speaker 1: had already seen. And then and in the some setting,
Speaker 1: Jesse Owens would come out and and Jesse Owens would
Speaker 1: come out depending on the audience.
Speaker 2: Right. Oh, I love I just read an article that
Speaker 2: was like an av club that like, Obsession is the
Speaker 2: biggest independent film of all time. I'm like, have you
Speaker 2: never heard about Mom and Dad? Because that movie ran.
Speaker 1: For like twenty some years, right, and like it ran
Speaker 1: a long time. It was like one of the biggest
Speaker 1: money makers of the forties. It may been the third
Speaker 1: largest grossing film of nineteen forty five.
Speaker 2: I mean, and it costs nothing. It's amazing that, like
Speaker 2: when the irs came for him, he said, yeah, I
Speaker 2: really don't know how much this movie made. I never
Speaker 2: kept track of resisiated. He knew exactly how much bad.
Speaker 2: He knew how many of those books that he did
Speaker 2: that went out. I also loved the idea that I've
Speaker 2: heard that some of the nurses were also burlesque dancers.
Speaker 2: So it's like, oh, you also have a really hot nurse.
Speaker 2: That's a nice to come to see this movie warning
Speaker 2: you about things.
Speaker 1: Just like this. You know, I love one last kroger
Speaker 1: Bab story is that we you and I both watched
Speaker 1: Uncle Tom's Cabin a couple of months ago. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he you know, so Uncle Tom's Cabin was a German film.
Speaker 1: Is a German version of this story of here at
Speaker 1: Beatrice Snow's Uncle Tom's Cabin.
Speaker 2: It's an art film. It's ostigious.
Speaker 1: Herbert lam is the star, and you know, it played
Speaker 1: it con and it was supposed to be this big,
Speaker 1: you know, art movie that just did not take off.
Speaker 1: It was long, two and a half hours or something.
Speaker 1: So anyway, they sold it to America. Kroger Bab got
Speaker 1: his hands on it and he tried to re edit
Speaker 1: it as I think the movie is called Sylvia and
Speaker 1: it focused on another a minor character within that story,
Speaker 1: and that bombed. And so then al al Adamson and
Speaker 1: Sam Sherman got their hands on it, and Al we're
Speaker 1: cooking with gas.
Speaker 2: You know, they were like, can we be scummier than
Speaker 2: krager Bab And they're like, oh my god. Sam Sherman
Speaker 2: definitely is like he is unafraid anytime I wear my
Speaker 2: shirt of his company, the one that Severn put out
Speaker 2: I feel so proud of like being a Sam. Like
Speaker 2: Sam Sherman is a good Sam to be, do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like I love that he put
Speaker 2: out all the al Adams stuffy. It's obsessing to me,
Speaker 2: the al Adams in the table to just keep on
Speaker 2: making this stuff like nobody was stopping them.
Speaker 1: So pick up that copy of Physical Media Advocate. I'll
Speaker 1: put a link in the show notes. I know Amazon
Speaker 1: sells it, and I think there's some real retailers out there,
Speaker 1: independent stores and such that that sell it. Pick it up,
Speaker 1: check it out. Yeah, anything else you have to plug?
Speaker 1: And then I want to Yeah, thats BNS about movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we are also on Groovy Doom every Saturday,
Speaker 2: almost every Saturday from eight eastern until four in the
Speaker 2: morning sometimes, but yeah, being uh, this one will be
Speaker 2: already a play, but you can watch the episode we're
Speaker 2: doing tomorrow night. We're doing Omen two and visiting Ours,
Speaker 2: a Lead Grant double feature as is gonna be on
Speaker 2: with Brian Norton, who actually they both know Lead Grant,
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be pretty interesting to hear a lot
Speaker 2: of that stuff. But we're trying to find more double Features.
Speaker 2: I think a lot more Florida stuff's going to show
Speaker 2: up this year because we watched Revenges My It Revenges
Speaker 2: My Business, a Florida shot movie with like William Carwin's
Speaker 2: in and of course, and like I've sent it to
Speaker 2: Bill and he was like, oh my god, this movie
Speaker 2: is so great. I'm like, I know, like movies like
Speaker 2: flash Feast and stuff like I love when we show
Speaker 2: these old Florida movies and people brick, why did you
Speaker 2: make us watch that? And I'm like, have you We've
Speaker 2: been doing the show for six years, Like maybe you
Speaker 2: should know that we have no case whatsoever. Like this
Speaker 2: is like Batpeople is an Oscar movie for us, right,
Speaker 2: So I go with it. But yeah, that's that's what's
Speaker 2: going on in my life.
Speaker 1: And we're on Instagram. We started that recently. Not Mary
Speaker 1: Usa Pod, Yeah that's right, Not MARIUSA. Pody. You can
Speaker 1: email us. We got an email. Maybe I'll pull that
Speaker 1: up real fast, yeah and read it. It's from someone
Speaker 1: who says they're a friend of yours. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means, but I don't have He says
Speaker 1: it's a friend of yours. His name is Paul and Alena. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know Paul Okay, great okay, And he says I'm
Speaker 1: a friend of Sam's. He's recently linked me to this podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't want to let you know that I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: I never got around the snagging the book, but thankfully
Speaker 1: you both have it and we'll be covering it cover
Speaker 1: to cover in audio form. I can't wait to tag
Speaker 1: along for this journey. Rest assured. I'll try to tune
Speaker 1: in it as often as possible. Thankfully, I'm getting in
Speaker 1: on the ground floor, so the entry isn't too steep
Speaker 1: at this point. Keep up the great work. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we kind of talk about the movies in the book
Speaker 1: and some other movies along the way. Yeah, So thanks
Speaker 1: Pop for that email.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think if you don't have the book, honestly,
Speaker 2: like we're not getting paid for this, but you should
Speaker 2: own the book. I think if you're going to buy
Speaker 2: a book about horror movies like this is one of
Speaker 2: the good.
Speaker 1: Things, that's the one to get, and especially American regional
Speaker 1: horror films if that's you know, if you really want
Speaker 1: to get into that of the seventies and eighties, it's
Speaker 1: and if.
Speaker 2: You're from Pittsburgh. You should definitely get the book because
Speaker 2: it's very Pittsburgh heavy, like there's so many Pittsburgh movies
Speaker 2: in it, or like movies from this area, and it
Speaker 2: makes me have and I'm excited to get into some
Speaker 2: movies from.
Speaker 1: Your neck of the woods too, though I know we'll
Speaker 1: get there.
Speaker 2: We started. That was the first one we did together,
Speaker 2: was Martin.
Speaker 1: Marti gram Massacre was no gaging. Check that out on
Speaker 1: sam Spot.
Speaker 2: And that's what I knew we would be friends because
Speaker 2: You're like, I love this movie, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: thank god, because everybody hates us, Like, I'm so happy
Speaker 2: to meet someone else that likes Marti Gram mascer.
Speaker 1: It's it's a great movie. We won't talk about it here,
Speaker 1: but check out that podcast on being this movie. It's
Speaker 1: a great time. I'm one. We're going a long we
Speaker 1: try to wrap this up, but any june'sploitation films that
Speaker 1: you watch that you just really have to recommend.
Speaker 2: Let me load up my list. How about that?
Speaker 1: I talked about Airport nineteen seventy five already. I watched
Speaker 1: Earthquake from my Disasters picking. I hated it. It's so boring,
Speaker 1: which is weird. Because they both have Charlton Hesson and
Speaker 1: George Kennedy and just one work for me and one
Speaker 1: did not. But they took away the full chy category.
Speaker 1: This year. I every year pleased by this. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: every year. On full Chew's birthday is June seventeenth, in
Speaker 1: honor of his birthday, they would have a fuller where
Speaker 1: they said people were complaining that they've run out of
Speaker 1: full chie films, which I mean, you got to get
Speaker 1: you got to get creative. You have not seen every
Speaker 1: full cheap, every film full cheap touched. You could watch
Speaker 1: something just produce. Yeah, there's his comedies, there's the one
Speaker 1: you know, Vinegar Syndrome, spinning Out, Lucio Fulcie presents films.
Speaker 1: Have you watched all of those? I don't know? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's still ones that I haven't seen. The
Speaker 1: one that the most popular one I had not seen
Speaker 1: was Conquest. So that's what I put as my Italian
Speaker 1: cinema pick, and I absolutely loved it. It was a
Speaker 1: five star banger.
Speaker 2: It's for me.
Speaker 1: I've never seen Conan the Barbarian. I tried to watch
Speaker 1: Beast Master. It bored me to death. I never even
Speaker 1: finished it.
Speaker 2: The personal attack.
Speaker 1: It shots fired, yea. But Conquest loved it, absolutely loved
Speaker 1: everything about it. It's foggy, isn't it It is It
Speaker 1: has like a like a vasolene, like let's just shoot
Speaker 1: it straight into the sun. But that's what makes it work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. I also watched this.
Speaker 1: Go Ahead God oh no, because I was gonna talk
Speaker 1: about something else if you have some of Okay. The
Speaker 1: other movie I watched that I really like. It was
Speaker 1: called Scruffy, which for the cartoons category, and it's a
Speaker 1: ABC weekend special from the like from the early eighties,
Speaker 1: I think maybe nineteen eighty and it's all about a
Speaker 1: dog who is she's it's a puppy and it's very
Speaker 1: tragic and such tragic things happened to this dog. But
Speaker 1: it's just it shows so much about what the eighties
Speaker 1: was all about for kids.
Speaker 2: A rough watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, oh man, So what do you have?
Speaker 2: I see? I really liked Wedlock. That was my first one.
Speaker 2: A Lewis Tgue movie that makes no sense about Rucker Harran.
Speaker 2: Maybe rogers live inside a prison camp where they have
Speaker 2: things around their neck that'll blow their heads up, kind
Speaker 2: of like Running Man, but before Running Man and Joan
Speaker 2: Chen and James Riemar are like his old partners, and
Speaker 2: they're trying to find where he hit the gold. It
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. It's great Kung Fu Zombie, which
Speaker 2: I loved in nineteen eighty one Hong Kong film, knowing
Speaker 2: it was my disaster film from two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: How did we let Alex Price keep making movies after knowing?
Speaker 2: And Gods of Egypt? This dude make Dark Dark City
Speaker 2: and The Crow, which are great. I don't know what
Speaker 2: happened after that. And I really liked Redneck with Franco Nero,
Speaker 2: Telly Savalasa and Mark Lester from from you know the
Speaker 2: one musical It's Crazy Oliver that's what he was in.
Speaker 2: Sugar Cookies was in the other one.
Speaker 1: I watched Uh and Lynn.
Speaker 2: Lowery won, but Lynn Lowry and Mary Warnoff, I mean,
Speaker 2: can the screen contained? No, they can't like And of
Speaker 2: course I bought the Blu Ray I liked it so much,
Speaker 2: and Diamond Ninja Force of course another Godfrey Hoe, Richard
Speaker 2: Harrison Joint Uh, and finally Uh, I was really just
Speaker 2: you know, work gets dia and life gets you. And
Speaker 2: I was really down one day and uh. For my
Speaker 2: free space, I watched Rolls Royce Baby Uh and I
Speaker 2: just rank a double feature and as soon as the
Speaker 2: Leader roommate came on the screen, I audibly saw it
Speaker 2: and just by it was like almost like a cleansing breath,
Speaker 2: and I was like, god, damn it. Later I was
Speaker 2: so happy. This is what happens when you get a
Speaker 2: good look in Vindigar syndrome version of a movie, You're like,
Speaker 2: this movie is something else. If I had watched it
Speaker 2: on like fifth generation dub would I feel the same way.
Speaker 2: But I feel it's art. Probably I'm just Franco idiot,
Speaker 2: you know. But loved it. So yeah, it was justification
Speaker 2: was a good month. I tried to do all first
Speaker 2: time watches.
Speaker 1: I'll watch about two thirds of it and I just
Speaker 1: I'll finish it up as the year goes along. But yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well that's this is a long episode.
Speaker 2: But that's okay.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of asides and they're all staying in.
Speaker 1: So sorry, listeners, but thank you for making that.
Speaker 2: If you made it to this point, we should get
Speaker 2: to listeners. The secret word gets you into the Patreon.
Speaker 2: That's right. I remember before Adams Sam would just do
Speaker 2: a show that wanted for two hours. Now it's thirty
Speaker 2: minutes and it's all ads for like mattress companies, that's right,
Speaker 2: and meal kits and the sports gambling, sports gambling. We'd
Speaker 2: be like, hey, have you know and Adam, when I'm
Speaker 2: watching a drive in movie, I often feel like I'm
Speaker 2: not getting enough nutrition. That's why I go with form
Speaker 2: factor and that if you use special code Lynn Lowry
Speaker 2: fifty five, you'll get we're doing their work for him.
Speaker 2: I censor out the name of that company. They're not
Speaker 2: getting this ship for free. They're not getting this audience
Speaker 2: of people that are like I only like movies made
Speaker 2: before nineteen eighty five. That's a that's a demo.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yes, so join us. Next week we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about Deathbed and I hope I like it.
Speaker 1: I think I will. I'm sure I will. I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll talk to y'all later.
Speaker 2: I've got another if you'd like let us. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to get out right here.