Speaker 1: I was literally raised on a property in the Cattaraugus
Speaker 1: Indian Reservation area of New York and Pennsylvania, Erie County,
Speaker 1: and my father was full blooded Lakota Sue and my
Speaker 1: mother was Cherokee and Shawnee. And my mother at the time,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that she was dabbling into the Native
Speaker 1: American end of the dark arts when I was a child,
Speaker 1: and so I got involved in a lot of the
Speaker 1: paranormal stuff in the ceremonies, the dark art ceremonies. As
Speaker 1: far as being Native American goes from my mother's side
Speaker 1: and all of her teachers. My father was traditional Lakota Sioue,
Speaker 1: but he was a truck driver. He was hardly around
Speaker 1: growing up. But being back in those days, you didn't
Speaker 1: have the internet, didn't have computers or cell phones or anything,
Speaker 1: so you tend to stay outside a lot. Okay, and
Speaker 1: this is back in the sixties and seventies. And I
Speaker 1: tend to love being out in nature. When I was
Speaker 1: a kid, and I used to constantly go out ride
Speaker 1: nerve bikes and stuff in the woods and go hiking
Speaker 1: on trails, go hunting by myself and all that. And
Speaker 1: the first time I actually was told about the forest people.
Speaker 1: My father and I were sitting at the kitchen table,
Speaker 1: and it was about midnight. He had just gotten home
Speaker 1: from Long Hall to the West Coast, and he had
Speaker 1: told me because I told him I had heard some
Speaker 1: like roars and some howls and stuff coming from the
Speaker 1: woods that didn't sound like a coyote or you know,
Speaker 1: or any animal or an owl or anything that I've
Speaker 1: been used to hearing, you know. I mean, I've heard
Speaker 1: all of them. I've heard mountain lion, bobcat, you down,
Speaker 1: from buffalo to elk to big horn sheep, you name it.
Speaker 1: I've heard it all, and I've pretty much hunted it
Speaker 1: all my life until I got cancer. But I basically
Speaker 1: learned from my father that the forest people made certain calls,
Speaker 1: and I kind of got into it that way. As
Speaker 1: a child. I got fascinated with it. I first I
Speaker 1: started from my dad's descriptions and what I was hearing,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't seeing things right away, because they won't
Speaker 1: show themselves to you right away unless they're used to
Speaker 1: seeing you a lot. That's the thing. At least this
Speaker 1: group did that, okay, And basically it took about a
Speaker 1: year or so as a kid, and I would be
Speaker 1: playing out in the backyard and stuff, you know, doing
Speaker 1: what little kids do when you're five and six years old,
Speaker 1: you know, with cars and the dirt and stuff. And
Speaker 1: you know, then I started noticing them from the shadows
Speaker 1: coming around, you know, big dark figures moving around tree
Speaker 1: to tree, you know. And I remembered my father telling
Speaker 1: me that there was four different types. And as I
Speaker 1: was growing up, I interacted with two different types. I
Speaker 1: interacted with the more human looking ones with the face,
Speaker 1: and then the more aggressive type of ones that looked
Speaker 1: more like an ape than they did a human. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I and my father always told me there was
Speaker 1: four distinctive types. You know. You had the small ones
Speaker 1: that came up from South America, which are in the
Speaker 1: swamps and stuff in the Everglades and the Arkansas, Louisiana,
Speaker 1: you know, all that area, Mississippi, Alabama that get like
Speaker 1: seven to eight feet tall. Okay, sometimes they get to
Speaker 1: be nine ft tall, but there's no reports really that
Speaker 1: I've heard of that made them any bigger. Net and
Speaker 1: then you have what Native people called the gugway, which
Speaker 1: is and growing up, another you know, traditional legend we
Speaker 1: had was my family. My father and all my uncles
Speaker 1: told me that we called him the bear man because
Speaker 1: his snout wasn't really it wasn't a wolf snout, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't a you know, an eight snout looking type
Speaker 1: of thing. It was kind of in between which would
Speaker 1: be like the bear. And this thing stood anywhere from
Speaker 1: nine to ten feet tall, and it was very aggressive,
Speaker 1: very territorial. It would chase off the human looking ones. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was very aggressive, okay, but they were more up
Speaker 1: around the Canadian Great Lakes area or other parts of
Speaker 1: like the Yukon and stuff like that, up into Alaska.
Speaker 1: Then you had the big ones coming down from Alaska
Speaker 1: into the Pacific Northwest, northern California, Oregon, Washington State, Montana, Idaho,
Speaker 1: even parts of Utah, even you know, as far as
Speaker 1: into the Ozark Mountains, you know, and they got anywheres
Speaker 1: from and what my dad said, they could be nine
Speaker 1: feet tall fully grown, or they could be up to
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen feet tall fully grown. And then the human
Speaker 1: looking ones, which were the ones along the Appalachian Mountain
Speaker 1: chain and the Smoky Mountains, were family oriented. They got
Speaker 1: about nine feet tall. They could be anywheres from eight
Speaker 1: hundred nine hundred pounds. But they were protective of the family,
Speaker 1: but yet they weren't as brutally aggressive as a lot
Speaker 1: of the other ones were. And the way my father
Speaker 1: described it to me was he basically looked at it
Speaker 1: as well, if you had to live in a swamp
Speaker 1: and fight for food every day with alligators and cotton
Speaker 1: mouths and you know all these other things bobcats, you know, cougars,
Speaker 1: you know, you'd be aggressive too, you'd have an attitude too.
Speaker 1: And you know, I kind of took that to heart,
Speaker 1: and I started first off drawing pictures of them as
Speaker 1: a kid. And you know, as a kid, you hear
Speaker 1: the descriptions being half human and half eight you know,
Speaker 1: So I was drawn half human and half ape literally,
Speaker 1: you know, right down the center, you know, half human
Speaker 1: half epe, you know, as a kid, but you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't know. And I was out riding my dirt
Speaker 1: bike one time with my buddies, and we talked about
Speaker 1: this at one of your events and and on the
Speaker 1: podcast too, I remember, and we were riding in this
Speaker 1: field and along to the outer edge of the field
Speaker 1: there was this big forested area that we came through. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was like a three foot wide path that the
Speaker 1: motorcycle path came through through the woodline into this field. Now,
Speaker 1: this field in the center, i'd say probably four feet
Speaker 1: to six feet maybe at the most, and with around
Speaker 1: the outer edge of the field was like a path
Speaker 1: that we used to run down our dirt bikes with.
Speaker 1: And what I mean dirt bikes, I mean motorcycles, I
Speaker 1: don't mean bicycles. And so we padded this field down
Speaker 1: pretty good, you know, from driving the motorcycles around it.
Speaker 1: And I had a little Kawasaki, you know, one twenty
Speaker 1: five and kzy one and at the time, and I
Speaker 1: was going around the field and I came around the
Speaker 1: third time, and i started hearing stuff off into the woods,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, well, it's got to be a deer,
Speaker 1: you know, you hear things crashing around and stuff. It's
Speaker 1: hard to hear things over top of a two stroke
Speaker 1: when it's popping and cracking a lot. So but I
Speaker 1: stopped the motorcycle and as I got off the motorcycle,
Speaker 1: I leaned down to shut the fuel line off. And
Speaker 1: as I did that, I looked down the path that
Speaker 1: we entered the woodline at and there was this the
Speaker 1: only way to describe it. And this was probably the
Speaker 1: first actual physical sighting I could say, other than maybe
Speaker 1: taking glances out and going from tree to tree and
Speaker 1: not really figuring out what it was, you know. But
Speaker 1: this thing stood there and as I look back at it,
Speaker 1: it literally turns and looks at me, and then it
Speaker 1: looks back up to the tree and it was reaching
Speaker 1: its arms up into tree like this, and I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: what is it doing, you know, and it was it
Speaker 1: was springtime, so I mean, they'll leaves around a tree
Speaker 1: and stuff. And just down the path from there is
Speaker 1: a wild grape growth, you know, where wild grapes are growing,
Speaker 1: and we used to go there and literally pick grapes
Speaker 1: right next to these things, you know, and there I
Speaker 1: go call them them a thing again when I should
Speaker 1: call them forest people. But at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: being Native American and you're you're taught to you have
Speaker 1: to teach that, you know, treat everything with respect. You know.
Speaker 1: I have a respect and walk with reverence for everything,
Speaker 1: you know, respect for everything, including the forest people. Okay.
Speaker 1: And you know, growing up, we wouldn't think twice about
Speaker 1: going and picking wild grapes, you know, or or chestnuts
Speaker 1: for that matter, which is a whole nother story, because
Speaker 1: they eat chestnuts too, and we had all kinds of
Speaker 1: chestnut trees around there too. We had a rancher that
Speaker 1: had all kinds of chestnut trees growing in his field.
Speaker 1: We had apple orchards and stuff too, So I mean
Speaker 1: the food around there was plentiful, especially you know in
Speaker 1: the in the warm summer months and into you know
Speaker 1: the late spring where the berries are starting to ripen,
Speaker 1: you know. So it was, it was, it was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: We had all kinds of game, wild game. But as
Speaker 1: I looked down and it looked at me, I remember
Speaker 1: what my dad said. My dad said, you know, don't
Speaker 1: stare them in the eye. Don't look them in the eye,
Speaker 1: be respectful. Look down. Okay, So I looked down. But
Speaker 1: you know, when you're like twelve years old riding a
Speaker 1: dirt bike with your buddies, and your buddies are standing
Speaker 1: there and their jaws are open, you want to look up,
Speaker 1: you know. So I did what any twelve year old
Speaker 1: kid would do. I looked up and I observed this
Speaker 1: thing and he reached up. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was a he or she because the distance I had
Speaker 1: even though it was a straight open shot, and looking
Speaker 1: at it, I tend to think it was a young female, okay,
Speaker 1: And it was every bit if it wasn't eight and
Speaker 1: a half feet tall, it was every bit of nine
Speaker 1: feet tall, okay, So it was it was. It was
Speaker 1: probably a young female. But as it reached up, it
Speaker 1: grabbed what it looked like looked like a little black bear,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was obviously a smaller one, and
Speaker 1: I would hazard to say it was probably an infant, right, okay.
Speaker 1: So it took it in its arms like this, and
Speaker 1: it turned and as it turned to walk away, it
Speaker 1: looked down at me again, and I'm staring at it now,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at dead in the eyes, you know.
Speaker 1: And the eyes were I don't even know how to
Speaker 1: describe them. At that distance, they looked dark, okay, but
Speaker 1: you could see the white in the eyes too that okay,
Speaker 1: it wasn't all like dark like demonic, you know. But
Speaker 1: it turned and it walked off into the woods. Didn't
Speaker 1: even care that I was looking at it, didn't even
Speaker 1: care that we were there, didn't have a care in
Speaker 1: the world. And that was my first physical encounter with this,
Speaker 1: you know, this type of thing.
Speaker 2: It sounded like, if you don't mind saying it sounded
Speaker 2: like it knew you didn't mean no harm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought about that too, And as you know,
Speaker 1: when you're that age, you don't you don't really tend
Speaker 1: to rationalize things very well, you know, especially when you're
Speaker 1: you're growing up in the country, because you tended to
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you're talking to a twelve year
Speaker 1: old boy that you know, used to jump off of
Speaker 1: his dad's you know, ham radio tower with a garbage
Speaker 1: bag for God's safe as a parachute. I mean, we
Speaker 1: did all kinds of crazy shit, you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was something. It was. It was a
Speaker 1: very very breath taking away your breath type of a
Speaker 1: of a first time sighting like that. And as I
Speaker 1: think back to it, and then as I thought about
Speaker 1: it later that evening with my buddies, I said, did
Speaker 1: you see that? And they're like, yeah, what the hell
Speaker 1: was that? And you know, they were, you know, a
Speaker 1: year or two older than me, so you know, they
Speaker 1: were just as curious as I was. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: from what my dad and my uncles tell me, that
Speaker 1: we just saw bigfoot, you know, And they're like no way.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, we did well. Sure enough. A
Speaker 1: week later, at a different location, across what they called
Speaker 1: Walnut Creek, Okay, there's a there was a gravel pit,
Speaker 1: and me and another buddy were driving riding our dirt
Speaker 1: bikes and stuff in this gravel pit. And this gravel
Speaker 1: pit went into the woodline along the edge of the
Speaker 1: cliff where the creek was, and back out again like
Speaker 1: a square, you know, back out into the gravel pit.
Speaker 1: So you'd go around the gravel pit, go up and
Speaker 1: down some hills and back in the woods and throw
Speaker 1: it and back out again, you know, over and over again.
Speaker 1: And I didn't think anything of having another encounter with them,
Speaker 1: But sure enough, I should have brought those things out
Speaker 1: that David made for me, David and Melissa, because they
Speaker 1: made those little three D molds. Oh yeah, yea of
Speaker 1: what my sightings were. And I mean, it's actually to
Speaker 1: a te Maybe I'll bring them out a little bit later.
Speaker 1: But as I came around a third time, he went
Speaker 1: into the woodline and made my left and went down
Speaker 1: the trail, this branch was come out of nowhere and
Speaker 1: it hit my front tire and my spokes and I
Speaker 1: you know, I'm only doing like twenty miles an hour
Speaker 1: because it was muddy and it was a trail you
Speaker 1: don't want to kill yourself. But I did an end though,
Speaker 1: and I got to burn on my calf muscle from it,
Speaker 1: and the motorcycle landed on me. And as I went
Speaker 1: to push the motorcycle off of me, I looked up
Speaker 1: and they're not even twenty feet away from me. Was standing.
Speaker 1: This was this big foot. The only way and I
Speaker 1: described it to David as best as I could, The
Speaker 1: only way I could describe it was it was like
Speaker 1: looking at the incredible Hulk with hair. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was massive. It was every bit of the alpha predator
Speaker 1: that you would imagine, you know, a monster would be,
Speaker 1: you know, and it just kind of looked at me,
Speaker 1: and it was curious. It looked like it was curious
Speaker 1: with what I was doing, but it also looked angry
Speaker 1: with me, and it went it went you know, like that,
Speaker 1: you know, like disgusted, you know, like your dad would get,
Speaker 1: you know, if he'd do something wrong, he got disgusted
Speaker 1: with you or said something stupid. You know. He kind
Speaker 1: of did that to me, but then he had a
Speaker 1: smirk on his face. And I'm thinking to myself, he's
Speaker 1: some of them, you know. I mean, here I am.
Speaker 1: We got a motorcycle, you know, laying on top of me,
Speaker 1: and whatever you are, you're smirking at me, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a human emotion. And the more I looked at it,
Speaker 1: the more his face actually didn't look apish. It looked
Speaker 1: more human. But it had hair, you know, full beard,
Speaker 1: you know, mustache, you know, the jaw was really pronounced okay,
Speaker 1: but it's head. There was no neck. It was solid muscle.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like muscle, shoulders, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It was massive. Okay. So anyways, I look
Speaker 1: around and I got the motorcycle off. I mean I
Speaker 1: look around and there was a smaller one off to
Speaker 1: the side over you know, about probably twenty thirty yards away,
Speaker 1: and there was a dough laying down. Well, the dough
Speaker 1: must have been scared. Either that or they had some
Speaker 1: way of immobilizing the dough so they could grab it.
Speaker 1: And every now and then we've heard reports of like
Speaker 1: deers being found with their heads ripped on, you know,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't you wouldn't think, you know, we'd chalk
Speaker 1: it up to poachers. You know, but why would a
Speaker 1: poacher just take the head and leave the body there.
Speaker 1: And you could find these bodies actually up in a
Speaker 1: crook of a tree, hanging upside down, so the blood
Speaker 1: would drain out of them. It was like something with
Speaker 1: intelligence was putting these deer up in the tree, you know,
Speaker 1: and we'd find them every every spring.
Speaker 3: And you know, the strangest thing or what I find odd.
Speaker 2: On three different occasions in my main research area, I
Speaker 2: have seen the carcasses or the remains, the full skeletal
Speaker 2: remains of a deer on the front of their skull
Speaker 2: there the snout on the moat you will be ripped off.
Speaker 2: I found that on three different occasions. Yeah, someone told
Speaker 2: me there could be mountain lion doing it.
Speaker 1: Well, it could be, but mountain lion. And this is
Speaker 1: from from from my my interactions with mountain lions. And
Speaker 1: I've had that too, because I've done the mountain lion hunts.
Speaker 1: They tend to go and attack you from behind, and
Speaker 1: they go for the back of your head and your neck.
Speaker 1: They don't go for your face. Bigger cats, the mountain
Speaker 1: lions probably would like an African lion or something along
Speaker 1: that lines. But as far as I've ever heard mountain
Speaker 1: lions are always either they either go for your your
Speaker 1: they go for your first off, they're going to attack
Speaker 1: you from above or behind. That's the only time they're
Speaker 1: going to attack you. They're not going to take you
Speaker 1: on head on. Lists they're protecting their their you know,
Speaker 1: their kits. You know, they're they're young, and it's a
Speaker 1: mother mountain lion. So that's when they're gonna come at
Speaker 1: you from the front to scarey you off. But yeah,
Speaker 1: seeing that, you know over the years, you know, from
Speaker 1: hunting and stuff, just kind of you know, gave you
Speaker 1: an uneasy feeling, you know that something was doing that,
Speaker 1: you know, looking to do to a human, you know.
Speaker 1: And anyways, to finish that story up, I got on
Speaker 1: the motorcycle and it just stood there watching me. And
Speaker 1: I mean it was literally I could have it probably
Speaker 1: if it wanted to, it could have grabbed me off
Speaker 1: that motorcycle and carried me off without a problem. But
Speaker 1: it didn't. Okay, And looking at its eyes and just
Speaker 1: the human emotion in its face from the reactions of
Speaker 1: seeing this dumb ass kid, you know, basically do an
Speaker 1: end though I mean to him, it was it was humorous,
Speaker 1: you know, but he was also pissed off because I
Speaker 1: realized I interrupted his hunting. He was hunting the dough
Speaker 1: and my loud ass dirt bike going through the trails
Speaker 1: probably screwed everything up. There was probably even more year
Speaker 1: there than just the one, so I probably screwed everything
Speaker 1: up for him, And that's why he threw the branch
Speaker 1: at me. I see only bad situation I've ever had
Speaker 1: with them growing up, Okay, and I mean it. Let
Speaker 1: me pick my motorcycle up, it, let me start my
Speaker 1: motorcycle back up and let me get out of there.
Speaker 1: Didn't try to harm me whatsoever, you know, And and
Speaker 1: that was it for a while.
Speaker 3: Real quick, What what state did this take place in?
Speaker 1: Him? This was in New York? In New York? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was around Genesee River, because the Genesee River Regatta
Speaker 1: was a big thing up in New York. Cattaraugus area
Speaker 1: of New York, Jamestown, New York area. Erie County bordered
Speaker 1: it in Pennsylvania, and the majority of my encounters were
Speaker 1: in Erie County, Pennsylvania, And you know, it just snowballed
Speaker 1: from there. And I just I got such a fascination
Speaker 1: from those first two encounters that I just I got
Speaker 1: into it and I couldn't get enough of it. You know.
Speaker 1: I was already in love with being out in the wilderness,
Speaker 1: you know, and camping and hunting and stuff, so why
Speaker 1: not look for a monster, you know? You know, and
Speaker 1: the more I talked to my uncles and my dad,
Speaker 1: you know, about these things, I learned about other things.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's more than just bigfoot out there.
Speaker 1: You know, there's more than just the four types of
Speaker 1: bigfoot out there, is what I was told there is,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've been I'm actually an ordained minister
Speaker 1: for the Native American Church. So I grew up doing
Speaker 1: the ceremonies and stuff along with the dark magic and
Speaker 1: all that too that my mother was teaching me as
Speaker 1: a child, all the way until I was like fourteen
Speaker 1: years old, and so I know a lot about the
Speaker 1: supernatural aspect of things, you know, the paranormal aspect of things,
Speaker 1: through ceremonies, through incantations, you name it, even even manifestation
Speaker 1: through prayers. Those are just all part of the culture,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're growing up. And when I got
Speaker 1: out of of the dark arts of it, when my
Speaker 1: mother got religion and I used the air quotes because
Speaker 1: it didn't last very long because she went back to
Speaker 1: their old ways. But you know, you learn a lot,
Speaker 1: you know. And recently with what I've been battling with
Speaker 1: the cancers and stuff and having the near death experience
Speaker 1: and all that I've I've come to realize that everything
Speaker 1: is connected. You know, when when when Native American people
Speaker 1: talk about the web of life and how every connected
Speaker 1: and what we do to the web, we do to ourselves,
Speaker 1: you know, which is a cheap seattle saying, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's like the teachings of the medicine wheel.
Speaker 1: You know. We have this medicine wheel that we we
Speaker 1: we use for you know, some of us use it
Speaker 1: for vision quests. Uh. Some of us use it for
Speaker 1: personal protections. You know. Certain designs represent protection to Native Americans.
Speaker 1: The medicine wheel basically is is a cross inside a hoop,
Speaker 1: and its representation represents the four directions of the wind,
Speaker 1: the north to southeast to west. It represents the the
Speaker 1: spring which basically starts out as the seed in the
Speaker 1: in the top right corner of it, and then the
Speaker 1: bottom quarter section of it is the young tree, the sapling,
Speaker 1: the next tree over is the adult tree, and then
Speaker 1: the top left section, the quarter of the medicine wheel
Speaker 1: represents the age of tree, which drops the seed and
Speaker 1: the cycle repeats itself. Okay, Well, when you're young, elders
Speaker 1: tend to give you a starting position on this medicine.
Speaker 1: Wheell start your journey. North would be abundance. The white
Speaker 1: buffalo would be the medicine animal representing it. It's different
Speaker 1: for every native culture, but some of them tend to
Speaker 1: be the same. You know, different colors are associated with it.
Speaker 1: With white as north, black as west, red would be south,
Speaker 1: yellow would be east because of the sunrise, you know.
Speaker 1: So I mean they give you a starting point and
Speaker 1: in your spiritual path, the danae we'll call it a
Speaker 1: walk in beauty, okay. We call it the red road, okay.
Speaker 1: And it's where you're supposed to seek your medicines, your
Speaker 1: your spiritual medicine, okay. And I remember I was out
Speaker 1: one time doing a humbla sha, which is a vision quest,
Speaker 1: and one of my elders was with me, not with
Speaker 1: my uncle, a very good friend. He was an elder
Speaker 1: of mine. And this is right after I got out
Speaker 1: of the military, and I did a vision quest down
Speaker 1: by the creek, and after I did my three days
Speaker 1: out there, because you you go out in the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere, you sit within a circle within the medicine wheel,
Speaker 1: and the only thing you have is a jug of
Speaker 1: water with sage in it. Sage water is all you're
Speaker 1: allowed to drink. And I used to my family in particular,
Speaker 1: where we would put twigs in between our fingers and
Speaker 1: in between our toes to kind of make us suffer
Speaker 1: a little bit for the vision. Okay, And the whole
Speaker 1: time you're there, you go without eating. Okay, you don't
Speaker 1: eat any food. And when I had my vision and stuff,
Speaker 1: it was a vision of a red tailed hawk coming
Speaker 1: over and it was dropping feathers down to me. And
Speaker 1: as I had this vision on my third day, I
Speaker 1: was told to stand up and walk into the water.
Speaker 1: And my elder was standing there watching me, and he
Speaker 1: basically he was curious to see what I was doing.
Speaker 1: So he said he was just standing there watching and
Speaker 1: he heard some movement within the woodline and the woods.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like you know here, with the
Speaker 1: darkness of the trees, you can't really see inside it,
Speaker 1: but you can actually see if something was darker standing there,
Speaker 1: you would see it. You know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: Darker than the dark. Okay, well, he basically described this tall,
Speaker 1: at least nine foot tall, being standing within the shadows
Speaker 1: of the tree line. And I went out into the
Speaker 1: water and something told me look down at your feet.
Speaker 1: And I looked down at my feet and there was
Speaker 1: I'm not long for this world anyways, I guess I
Speaker 1: could show you. This is my medicine bag. I usually
Speaker 1: word around my neck, but here lately it tends to
Speaker 1: choke me because of the cancer. But we tend to
Speaker 1: take things out of our medicine bags and smudge them
Speaker 1: with sweet grass and sage and cedar or juniper, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever we can find. But I'm gonna show you what
Speaker 1: was what was at my feet in between my feet,
Speaker 1: and I'll end up, you know, saging this and purifying
Speaker 1: it again in ceremony. There it is, that was at
Speaker 1: my feet. Wow, Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, and it is.
Speaker 1: It is not a narrowhead. It is literally a spearhead.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I'll clean that up and I
Speaker 1: gotta smudge all this anyways with sweet grass and sedar.
Speaker 1: Have even't got my coyote claws and stuff and from
Speaker 1: coyote hunts. But all this stuff gets gets taken out
Speaker 1: every now and then and gets gets purified with sueet
Speaker 1: harassens and cedar, and so I'll be doing that tonight.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that was between my feet after doing
Speaker 1: the Humble Asia division cuest and you know, to find
Speaker 1: something like that is is just amazing, you know. And
Speaker 1: I looked over into the tree line where my where
Speaker 1: my elder was telling me to look, and sure enough,
Speaker 1: there he was standing there, the big guy, the one
Speaker 1: that actually threw the branch at me and smirked at me.
Speaker 1: He was standing there watching me.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So you know, it was like it was one of
Speaker 1: those it was like an Aha moment, you know, like
Speaker 1: you know, see, you you know, you respected us enough
Speaker 1: to leave the area, and you know, you interacted with us,
Speaker 1: and you gifted us so much over the years that
Speaker 1: you know you you're gonna get gifted back. And that's
Speaker 1: what he did. He literally decided to give me back,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's what they do, you know. And
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's a there's a majority of people
Speaker 1: out there that will will tell you that interactions with
Speaker 1: them have been terrible you know, have been horrific, you know,
Speaker 1: very fearful. But then again, the majority of the encounters
Speaker 1: that I hear that are are aggressive in nature are
Speaker 1: only because it's coming from hunters, or it's coming from
Speaker 1: somebody that's in the woods doing something they shouldn't be doing,
Speaker 1: you know, moonshining, gen seng hunters. You know, they're they're
Speaker 1: stumbling upon their living room, they're stumbling upon their their
Speaker 1: hunting grounds, and they are very protective of family, so
Speaker 1: that's why they're aggressive, and they bluff charge it. You know,
Speaker 1: I've never been bluff charged. They've They've always accepted me, okay.
Speaker 1: But over the years, you know, I've had different interactions
Speaker 1: with different ones, and I've always had a connection with
Speaker 1: that that one, you know, that one that always smirked
Speaker 1: at me. I've always known him to be around me.
Speaker 1: And the way my father described it to me was
Speaker 1: when you stare at them in their eyes, they make
Speaker 1: that bond, that supernatural bond with you, that's sup that
Speaker 1: spiritual bond with you, and they imprint on you that
Speaker 1: you're their family. If you didn't harm them or offend
Speaker 1: them anyway, well I didn't. I was a kid, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know any better, so well, I did not
Speaker 1: to stare at him. But you know, I broke my
Speaker 1: dad's rule. But every every every now and then. I
Speaker 1: don't know how long they live. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they have the life duration of a human or if
Speaker 1: they live longer. But I interacted with him for the
Speaker 1: first thirty some years of my life growing up. I'm
Speaker 1: sixty years old, you know, and you know that was
Speaker 1: a big part of my life.
Speaker 3: You know, you're talking about their lifespan in a way
Speaker 3: me the way I like to look at it and
Speaker 3: think about it.
Speaker 2: If you would almost want to think that they will
Speaker 2: live just as long or as not longer than us,
Speaker 2: for the very fact that they're not exposed to all
Speaker 2: the process chemicals that we are.
Speaker 3: We have in our foods today.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, They're all natural. Here's the thing, too, Dan.
Speaker 1: The one thing that and I say this all the
Speaker 1: time on podcasts, that the one thing that we told
Speaker 1: all the foreign people, all the immigrants coming here when
Speaker 1: this was our lands, was we warned them about these things.
Speaker 1: We warned them about the supernatural things that we're here,
Speaker 1: this spiritual things that we're here, the wicked things that
Speaker 1: we're here. They didn't believe us. Now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: everybody's seeing them, everybody's interacting with them. And it's not
Speaker 1: just the big Foot. It's you hear reports of dog man,
Speaker 1: you hear reports of goat man. You hear reports of this,
Speaker 1: that and the other thing. You know, lizard man, you know,
Speaker 1: all over the place. Now I have a theory about that,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a while kicking in the butt
Speaker 1: kind of a theory. But you know what, with what
Speaker 1: I've been through in my life interacting with everything and
Speaker 1: the dark arts, I've come to realize that there is
Speaker 1: a supernatural connection to them. Okay, my father and my
Speaker 1: uncle's called them forced people for a reason, kay or
Speaker 1: or lost tribes for a reason, because because they were
Speaker 1: intelligent enough to probably have their own medicine. People they
Speaker 1: had they had they had to have had somebody that
Speaker 1: was in charge of overseeing the burial of their dead
Speaker 1: or or the birthing of their children, you know that
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, you know, the overseeing of their young,
Speaker 1: giving them, you know, a a focal point to focus
Speaker 1: on when growing up as a young you know, as
Speaker 1: a young big Foot. And the reason I say that
Speaker 1: is in our own cultures, Native American cultures. Medicinemen me
Speaker 1: being of achashu Wa Khan. You know, we would go
Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere for durations of time
Speaker 1: with just to close on our back and maybe a knife,
Speaker 1: you know, and we would live off the land and
Speaker 1: do that, do that for an indefinite period of time.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been accounts of medicine people being out
Speaker 1: there for three, four, five, sixty year and coming back
Speaker 1: to their tribes looking like wild men, you know, So
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they have somebody like that. I've always been
Speaker 1: a big believer in that. A lot of the stick
Speaker 1: structures that that you see, they learned that from us. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I actually realized over my sixty years of interacting
Speaker 1: with this type of a being that there's more to
Speaker 1: it than just the physical flesh and blood and the
Speaker 1: stick structures those have meaning. Okay, the bigger the teepee structure,
Speaker 1: the bigger the family unit. Okay, the smaller teepee structures
Speaker 1: if they're not made by human which you'll be able
Speaker 1: to tell with difference because humans aren't as smart as
Speaker 1: animals on the planet. Okay, when you're dealing with them.
Speaker 1: You're going to see a lot of interwoven stuff.
Speaker 3: Mm hm oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I have come across that with different species of trees
Speaker 2: and limbs combined and twisted.
Speaker 1: Eggs exactly exactly. So you're gonna see that happen unless
Speaker 1: somebody does their research about how they're doing it and
Speaker 1: does it exactly that way. That's the only way you
Speaker 1: won't be able to tell it was the human do
Speaker 1: it unless it was a tree that was too big
Speaker 1: for a human to move, and I've seen them too
Speaker 1: big for a human to move. I've actually seen in Montana,
Speaker 1: I've seen trees shoved in the ground upside down with
Speaker 1: the root ball up top. Okay, they have sightings of
Speaker 1: those all over Alaska, all over the Oregon Washington civic areas.
Speaker 1: So you know, you would think that if it was
Speaker 1: a lumber processing piece of equipment, it would strip the
Speaker 1: bark off a bit off the tree bark was still
Speaker 1: on it. So the things that grip the trees and
Speaker 1: pull them out of the ground and stuff and pick
Speaker 1: them up, that strip the bark off of them. It
Speaker 1: wasn't equipment used. They were shoved in the ground upside
Speaker 1: down for a reason. And the only thing I could
Speaker 1: tell was it was marking territory, big output, the bigger
Speaker 1: the tree, the bigger the outline, plain and simple. Okay,
Speaker 1: get away from me. Another thing that I learned, getting
Speaker 1: back to the supernatural aspect of it, we had we
Speaker 1: have stories and legends of them coming out of the smoke,
Speaker 1: out of our fires during ceremony, during hunts. They would
Speaker 1: just appear. You know. I always thought that that wasn't
Speaker 1: a flesh and blood big foot. It was more of
Speaker 1: a there's a certain fraction of bigfoot rock stacking. We've
Speaker 1: talked to about it before, I believe, But I've gotten
Speaker 1: a little bit more in depth into studying that and
Speaker 1: researching that, and I'm under the belief that it's not
Speaker 1: only done for a reason, Like we used to mark
Speaker 1: our trails, our hunting trails with that, and we turn
Speaker 1: a certain rock a certain direction and that would be
Speaker 1: the way that we would go, so the rest of
Speaker 1: our hunting party would know which way we went, while
Speaker 1: the other rocks would be facing a different direction. But
Speaker 1: come to find out that it's not even really that
Speaker 1: per se that they're probably doing it. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the flesh and blood bigfoot that are doing it.
Speaker 1: I think it is more of a This is going
Speaker 1: to sound crazy, okay, but you got to understand, coming
Speaker 1: from a Native American, it's not because we deal with
Speaker 1: the spiritual and the physical, okay, both of them. You
Speaker 1: can't have in a world that's based off of duality.
Speaker 1: You can't have negative without a positive, right, Okay. You
Speaker 1: can't have black with white, you know. You can't have
Speaker 1: dark without light. You know. It's a duality world. The
Speaker 1: same thing with wildlife, okay, And they're just as much
Speaker 1: a part of the wildlife and and people on this
Speaker 1: planet as we are, and as the deer are, and
Speaker 1: as the pack of wolves are. Okay, when you're dealing
Speaker 1: with a pack of wolves, you're gonna find the alpha
Speaker 1: way in the back. He's not going to be out front.
Speaker 1: What's going to be out front are are the elders,
Speaker 1: because they're the wise ones. They're the ones that know
Speaker 1: the path, They're the ones that know where the game is.
Speaker 1: They're the ones that know where we're not to go,
Speaker 1: you know. And then in the center of the pack,
Speaker 1: you're going to have the young wolves, the ones that
Speaker 1: are learning, and they're learning from the elders. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing with wildlife all around all around us.
Speaker 1: You can you can you can hear it. With the birds,
Speaker 1: you know, you'll see Robin's teaching you're young how to
Speaker 1: hunt for worms, you know, and how to get bugs.
Speaker 1: You know. You'll see young woodpeckers being told by Mama woodpecker,
Speaker 1: go to that tree and start knocking on it, you know,
Speaker 1: get the ants off the bar, and they do it.
Speaker 1: You know, the young always learn from the elders, the
Speaker 1: same with Native Americans, So why wouldn't it be the
Speaker 1: same with bigfoot. Okay, whenever you have an encounter with
Speaker 1: Bigfoot families, you're going to deal with an elder first,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna deal with the young, and then in
Speaker 1: the back of the pack is going to be that
Speaker 1: alpha overseeing his family unit, making sure they're safe. And
Speaker 1: if they're not safe, he's going to rip you a
Speaker 1: new one. Same same set up with the wolves, same
Speaker 1: set up with deer, same set up with elk Elka.
Speaker 1: The same way. You know a mama bear, same set
Speaker 1: up with Mama bear when it comes to her cubs.
Speaker 1: Cubs are going to learn from mama the elder. That's
Speaker 1: the way it is, and that's the that's the way
Speaker 1: this world is supposed to work, Okay, just as much
Speaker 1: as our kids are supposed to learn from us, okay
Speaker 1: as the elders. But to take that one one step further,
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with the spirituality of of of the
Speaker 1: Bigfoot phenomena with Native Americans, you're dealing with something that
Speaker 1: is above and beyond plush and blood. Okay. A good
Speaker 1: majority of US traditionalists, we we we put them in
Speaker 1: a category of spiritual okay, that they have gifts that
Speaker 1: they have gotten from living in the environment for so long.
Speaker 1: You know, the first medicine person from my people was
Speaker 1: considered to be the bear, bear man, Bigfoot okay, gugway
Speaker 1: maybe you know, you never know, but being bear we
Speaker 1: we we we realized that bear was the first medicine
Speaker 1: men for our people because it would stand on two legs,
Speaker 1: and it would know what bark to eat for its ailments,
Speaker 1: what what pine cones to eat, or plants and berries
Speaker 1: to eat that weren't going to poison it. You know,
Speaker 1: it knew what to heal itself with. It would it
Speaker 1: would lean up against a tree if its middle of
Speaker 1: its back was itching, and and you know, and the
Speaker 1: old tree rub. I mean, we've all you know, you've
Speaker 1: had to have seen bear rubs, you know, all over
Speaker 1: the place, so you know it's it's just it's the
Speaker 1: way things are. It's the way this world was designed
Speaker 1: with them especially, Okay, So getting back to the spiritual
Speaker 1: aspect of it, when you see a rock stack, I'll
Speaker 1: take a left here first. When you're dealing with a
Speaker 1: bigfoot or any cryptid encounter that has red glowing eyes
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to self illuminated eyeshine, okay, like reports
Speaker 1: of moth man, okay, that are are seeing around West
Speaker 1: Virginia and Chicago and all the other San Francisco it's
Speaker 1: been spotted on the on the Bay Bridge. When you're
Speaker 1: dealing with that kind of eye shine, you're dealing with
Speaker 1: something supernatural that's not internal illumination, because it literally takes
Speaker 1: a flash bulb for humans to have a red shine
Speaker 1: to their eyes and pictures, it'd be the same thing
Speaker 1: with them. Okay, I think it's more of a supernatural being.
Speaker 1: I don't think what we're looking at when we see
Speaker 1: red eye shine is flesh and blood. I think we're
Speaker 1: seeing supernatural. And I'll take that one step further, these
Speaker 1: rock stacks that you everybody's seeing and everybody's reporting seeing.
Speaker 1: I believe and this is this is from my own
Speaker 1: research and my own interact Okay, over the years, sixty
Speaker 1: plus years of doing research and investigating these on these people,
Speaker 1: these poorest people, Okay, and not just them, every other
Speaker 1: cryptos out there. I believe that their representations of the
Speaker 1: tower are babel and I believe that some of these
Speaker 1: sightings with the red glowing eyes are a representation of
Speaker 1: the Nephilam spirit, the original giants of this land that
Speaker 1: we're supposedly drowned off and killed off by the flood,
Speaker 1: the flood, you know, the Noah flood. And I do
Speaker 1: believe that the red eyes are windows to their soul,
Speaker 1: showing that it's not the actual Bigfoot, but it's a
Speaker 1: Bigfoot's body that might have been taken over by Nephelim spirit,
Speaker 1: like the possession, like a paranormal possession, like when somebody
Speaker 1: gets demonically possessed. You know, I think it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: Why else are you going to have encounters of red
Speaker 1: glowing eyes that are vicious? I mean, if you think
Speaker 1: about it, it kind of makes sense when when you're
Speaker 1: dealing with water, and you're dealing with even muscle. Muscle
Speaker 1: has memory, water has energy, water collects energy. Water, water
Speaker 1: has vibration, water has frequency and energy. Okay, it remembers
Speaker 1: when you when you get a bottle of water, just
Speaker 1: get a bottle of spring water, and an old Native
Speaker 1: American trick that my parents and my uncle's all taught me.
Speaker 1: Talk to the water in a positive way. Don't get
Speaker 1: water that's treated from a treatment plant. Get a bottle
Speaker 1: of spring water that's not treated. Talk to it in
Speaker 1: a positive way. Put that positive vibe into the water,
Speaker 1: and that water is going to be doing more healing
Speaker 1: and good for your body than that sink water or
Speaker 1: that bottled water from Nessley is ever going to do.
Speaker 1: And it works, It literally works, you know. I think,
Speaker 1: I think that there is more of a supernatural connection
Speaker 1: to some of these sightings than there is just flesh
Speaker 1: and blood. I think we need to separate the two completely,
Speaker 1: and I've been I've been talking about that a lot,
Speaker 1: and I I'm a firm believer in it. I believe
Speaker 1: that we have our flesh and blood, which are your
Speaker 1: normal sightings where you know, yeah, they'll bluff charge it.
Speaker 1: They scary off or you know, they'll throw things at you,
Speaker 1: like twigs and stones and rocks and boulders and shit,
Speaker 1: you know. But then you have your sightings at the
Speaker 1: nighttime where they have red blowing eyes. And some people
Speaker 1: will say, oh, it's because they live in caves and
Speaker 1: they're nocturnal and they have the eyes shine different enough.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. But what I will tell you, though,
Speaker 1: is that they bury their dead in caves, and they
Speaker 1: also bury their dead and water because water is life
Speaker 1: and if they're smart enough to know that, we should
Speaker 1: be smart enough to know that. And that's why I
Speaker 1: said that about water talking to water positively. They know
Speaker 1: that they know that water is a collective source of energy.
Speaker 1: It's not only refreshing, but it's rejuvenating. Okay, it will
Speaker 1: retain memory. Okay, when you have thunderstorms and during a
Speaker 1: paranormal investigation, what happens. Energy level spikes, equipment goes hey wire,
Speaker 1: you get EVPs and all kinds of interaction. When it
Speaker 1: rains and it thunderstorms, it even multiplies even more. Running water,
Speaker 1: they say, you can get the best ghost hunts or
Speaker 1: paranormals encounters next to like river flows or you know,
Speaker 1: stuff like that, underground streams, artesian wells, underneath homes and
Speaker 1: stuff and buildings. You know, the best, the best activity
Speaker 1: is around water. Why because water is a collective source
Speaker 1: of energy. It's a vibrational force. It's a force that
Speaker 1: constantly is is is changing and adapting. And it's also
Speaker 1: the most vital source of resource to have in this
Speaker 1: world because without it, nothing survives. And the reason I
Speaker 1: make that connection with the Nephelim spirit, with the red
Speaker 1: eyes and the rock stacking is because it's usually around water.
Speaker 1: They're just it's it's memory. It's not their memory, but
Speaker 1: it's a distant memory, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like muscle memory. Okay, they're putting these rock stacks together
Speaker 1: because it means something to them. They don't quite know yet,
Speaker 1: because they're the offspring of you know whatever back in
Speaker 1: the day. Okay, I'm not saying that they're Nephelin, but
Speaker 1: they have a part of them that might be. There
Speaker 1: have been reports of six finger giants two rows of
Speaker 1: teeth throughout history. There was Native American tribal nation. In fact,
Speaker 1: the Rockefellers bought the island that they lived on and
Speaker 1: turned the turned a home where one of the sacrificial
Speaker 1: altars were that. This race of Native American giants was
Speaker 1: seven to eight feet tall. They were said to have
Speaker 1: two rows of teeth. They were said to have six fingers.
Speaker 1: Why couldn't that be Nephylon, or at least an off
Speaker 1: branch of Nephilum from the giants the days of the
Speaker 1: Giants in the Bible. So you know, maybe, just maybe
Speaker 1: somewhere genealsitally wise, not all the Bigfoot may be, but
Speaker 1: some portion of them may be. And maybe the ones
Speaker 1: with the red eyes are the ones that have that
Speaker 1: Nephilm spirit. Maybe that's the supernatural connection. I've been studying
Speaker 1: it a long time. But we have to remember, though,
Speaker 1: we have to keep our flesh and blood separate from
Speaker 1: the spiritual. We have to Mathman's not a flesh and
Speaker 1: blood creature. Math Man is is a supernatural entity. Okay,
Speaker 1: it can if it's anything. You know, there's been reports
Speaker 1: that could be interdimensional and all that. That's fine, But
Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer that the Way Old Text, the
Speaker 1: Anonazi text, the uh the Mahabatras, the Copper scrolls, the
Speaker 1: Emerald tablets. I've read them all every the eighty eight
Speaker 1: Messing Books of the Bible. I mean I've I've read
Speaker 1: them all, I've studied them all, and every one of
Speaker 1: them describes a different type of of of a biblical history, okay,
Speaker 1: more of a a conglomerated of the spiritual, supernatural and
Speaker 1: the flesh and blood. And again it goes back to
Speaker 1: that whole duality thing. I don't think you could have
Speaker 1: one without the other. I really don't. If if you
Speaker 1: could have one without the other, then a lot of
Speaker 1: these ghost hunters would would be out of out of
Speaker 1: a hobby, you know, because then ghosts don't aren't real,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Now talking about the the spiritual sense and and you
Speaker 2: also brought up and mentioned it energy it. It's making
Speaker 2: me think about an experience that uh, we had at
Speaker 2: our last camp out. Me and David both witnessed it.
Speaker 2: David spotted at first we were during one of our
Speaker 2: night heights, actually headed back towards the camp. And now
Speaker 2: I'll back up a little bit. Uh, what I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be talking about or asking about, is lights in the woods,
Speaker 2: strange odd lights. Now with some of the way I
Speaker 2: described some of these to others that said, oh, it
Speaker 2: looks like you saw orbs.
Speaker 3: Now, these lights, first set of lights I ever saw,
Speaker 3: appeared to.
Speaker 2: Be like flashing stars in a cluster, you know, blue,
Speaker 2: a couple of yellows, maybe s a a couple of beds.
Speaker 3: Well, and then this. Those were up in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: But a few months after that and another state state
Speaker 2: forest up there in a Pennsylvania I seen what appeared
Speaker 2: to be four different dim looking, round, bluish looking lights.
Speaker 3: They were stationary, they weren't moving, but they were spread apart.
Speaker 2: Recently here in Virginia, which I never thought I would
Speaker 2: ever see anything in Virginia because I've always heard weird
Speaker 2: stuff in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Well, we see lights all the time in the sky here, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but this is in the forest. So David pointed out,
Speaker 3: He's like.
Speaker 2: Dangle, there's a light right here in the woods. And
Speaker 2: I step over, and there it is. It's probably a
Speaker 2: good thirty forty yards or so out the big, round,
Speaker 2: whitish looking light. It did not illuminate nothing around it,
Speaker 2: It did not project a beam like a flashlight.
Speaker 3: We seen it there for you know, good two to three.
Speaker 2: Seconds, and then off of it dimmed out what kind
Speaker 2: of fast, and we pulled out our fermals.
Speaker 3: We me and David both got real good fermals.
Speaker 2: Finking, Okay, if with somebody with some type of light,
Speaker 2: we would have seen it. We did not pick up
Speaker 2: no heat signatures of nothing over in that area.
Speaker 3: And it was just just the strangest thing. But it
Speaker 3: was cool. It was it was exciting.
Speaker 1: I liken that onto the story of the Brown Mountain lights.
Speaker 2: I came across that joined from researcher on lights and
Speaker 2: you know, and I need to read more into that,
Speaker 2: but it sounds briefly what I looked think to sound
Speaker 2: and similar to what we saw.
Speaker 1: That's that's not unusual. There have been reports of of
Speaker 1: of sasquatch being seen with glowing orbs. I've always been
Speaker 1: under the impression that we're not looking at something that
Speaker 1: is aliens. I mean, that's how they I guess that's
Speaker 1: the connection that they tend to make with with bigfoot UFOs,
Speaker 1: and that very well could be in certain parts of
Speaker 1: the country. I mean, who knows. You know, I have
Speaker 1: my old theory on that too, and I'll get into that.
Speaker 1: But as far as the orbs go that are seen
Speaker 1: with bigfoot, I've always been under the impression that we
Speaker 1: each have this energy feel around us. Some people call
Speaker 1: them nora. The Chinese call it chi. Okay, it's an energy.
Speaker 1: Our bodies are made up of. How much water? Seventy
Speaker 1: again water that connection, okay, So we have this energy field.
Speaker 1: We can manipulate that energy field. I've talked about it
Speaker 1: on a couple podcasts, you know, with the hand motions
Speaker 1: and the concentration of stuff, and how you can literally
Speaker 1: take your hands and you can feel that between your hands,
Speaker 1: a warm ball literally forming in your hands. That's your energy,
Speaker 1: that's your your your self allumining energy from your human body. Okay.
Speaker 1: Like I said, the Chinese call it chi. It's it's
Speaker 1: has to do with the duality, the yin and the yang. Okay. Again,
Speaker 1: you can't have one without the other, Okay. So I
Speaker 1: believe that instead of carrying all that energy with them,
Speaker 1: that they can manifest that energy into an orb okay,
Speaker 1: and that that energy that we're seeing in that orb
Speaker 1: next with whether a bigfoot's carrying it under the arm
Speaker 1: or whether it's floating next to a bigfoot or in
Speaker 1: the vicinity of a bigfoot. You know, I fully believe
Speaker 1: that that might be their their energy. They're cheap you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just like the Brown Mountain lights they talked
Speaker 1: about how it was. You know, it's the Native American
Speaker 1: spirits looking for their ancestors that are that we're missing,
Speaker 1: you know. And you know we have reports of that
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, people are seeing orbs in
Speaker 1: graveyards and cemeteries. You know, there have been reports of
Speaker 1: dog men digging up graves in cemeteries. There's been reports
Speaker 1: of bigfoot in cemeteries and graveyards. I mean, what's the
Speaker 1: odds on that? Because they're attracted to the energy, they
Speaker 1: can feel the vibration, they can feel that energy from
Speaker 1: the graveyard, from all those bodies being buried there, you know,
Speaker 1: some tragic and some not tragic. You know, some naturally
Speaker 1: dead and some tragic death. But the Inuit people of Alaska,
Speaker 1: they have a belief that when it's their time that
Speaker 1: Bigfoot will come to their lodge to escort them to
Speaker 1: the spirit or why would they have that legend, I mean,
Speaker 1: think about it. Why would they mark a bigfoot as
Speaker 1: a spiritual guide after you die? Energy. They are attracted
Speaker 1: to energy. Okay, they are attracted to water because water
Speaker 1: is energy and water is basically the elixir of life
Speaker 1: for everything. If you think about it, if you actually
Speaker 1: step back and you look at the whole spectrum of
Speaker 1: things and encounters, you'll find what will look like incidental similarities. Okay,
Speaker 1: but when you add it up, and it's not just
Speaker 1: Bigfoot that are doing it. You know, we have human
Speaker 1: beings going in cemeteries and doing EVP sessions and ghost honting.
Speaker 1: Why is the human spirit so interested in the spirit
Speaker 1: for why is bigfoot so interested in energy? You know
Speaker 1: it just you know? And why is water the the
Speaker 1: amplifier for energy for the paranormal. It's all connected. And
Speaker 1: when you look at it, when you stand back and
Speaker 1: you look at the whole scope of things, all the
Speaker 1: weird stuff that's happening in the world today, and you
Speaker 1: can literally separate if you have a mindset to where
Speaker 1: you can literally separate. Figure out the flesh and blood. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a bigfoot over there. It's got red, long hair,
Speaker 1: it's about nine feet tall. It's not aggressive, you know,
Speaker 1: it's keeping to itself. It may bluff charge me, but
Speaker 1: yet it doesn't have red glowing eyes. Then that's a
Speaker 1: flesh and blood. Then you got one sighting over here,
Speaker 1: it's it's a ten foot tall, you know, hairy beast
Speaker 1: that looks like a wolf. You know, it's got red
Speaker 1: glowing eyes. And it's got to either be a werewolf
Speaker 1: or a dog man. Why does it have to be either?
Speaker 1: Or why does it have to be flesh and blood?
Speaker 1: Why can't it be a demonic spirit or a netilm spirit?
Speaker 1: If you if you think back to ancient Egypt and
Speaker 1: you look at the hieroglyphics on the walls, what's Anubis?
Speaker 3: Your dog came dog man? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's there are ancient maps. I've got them, well,
Speaker 1: I've got them on my phone actually that you can
Speaker 1: find them, and they show a big ape like Bigfoot
Speaker 1: and a dog man the same mountaintop. Okay, they don't
Speaker 1: show it with y glowing eyes. There is a difference.
Speaker 1: And the sooner we realize as investigators and researchers that
Speaker 1: you know, there's a definite, definitive difference between these things.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of these encounters, that the aggressive encounters,
Speaker 1: especially with y glowing eyes. I don't believe they're a
Speaker 1: real bigfoot. You know, we have in our culture, we
Speaker 1: have shape shifters. That's one of the ceremonies I did
Speaker 1: when I was younger, you know, with the dark arts,
Speaker 1: shape shifting ceremonies. My own mother taught me. Okay, I
Speaker 1: watched three sisters change into wolves in front of my
Speaker 1: eyes as a kid. And I'm not talking the wolves
Speaker 1: on four legs. I'm talking on two legs, wow, Okay.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking bright yellow, glowing eyes, self illuminated eyes.
Speaker 1: Because there is the evil possessing the bodies that makes
Speaker 1: the change in the ceremony. Okay, it happens when we
Speaker 1: do shape shifting ceremonies. As native creeple, we we have
Speaker 1: to give something, Okay. We have to either give our blood,
Speaker 1: our sacrifice of something, our flesh offerings, doesn't matter. It
Speaker 1: has to be something very very sacred, very very special. Okay.
Speaker 1: It has to be a part of us or a
Speaker 1: part of somebody we love them, okay or care about. Okay.
Speaker 1: That's what makes that that that evil, that darkness connection, okay,
Speaker 1: to to make us transform, to give us that that
Speaker 1: supernatural ability. What's to say there's not that going on
Speaker 1: with the supernatural, a realm with with them, you know.
Speaker 1: What's to say that that that there is such a
Speaker 1: thing as you know, we call demonic possession. I tend
Speaker 1: to look at it as Nephilm possession because the Nephilem
Speaker 1: were giants. They were the original giants. And if you
Speaker 1: listen to my my songs and stuff that I just did,
Speaker 1: I have the one Titan songs, Yeah, Titans Rise. Listen
Speaker 1: to the lyrics of that, I mean really listen to
Speaker 1: the lyrics of it, and you'll see that I specifically
Speaker 1: put within that song that Titans Rise Titans Fall. And
Speaker 1: there's a section where it says that they devour apes, okay,
Speaker 1: And I got that from from from the Bible because
Speaker 1: the Book of Enoch and several in the Book of
Speaker 1: Giants talks about how the nephilum ate humans. Well, I
Speaker 1: believe that in Biblical times we weren't that different from
Speaker 1: like the planet of the apes. We might have been,
Speaker 1: you know, the Bigfoot, you know, a different species, a
Speaker 1: smaller species, you know, the seven foot tall species. And
Speaker 1: these Nephilim giants were eating humans at the time. That's
Speaker 1: why the Creator flooded the world, you know, and and
Speaker 1: got rid of them. But I believe that some of
Speaker 1: them survived and that they have reproduced over the years,
Speaker 1: and God knows how long they live. I mean, they
Speaker 1: could be immortal for all we know. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't know, okay. And if that's the case, I also
Speaker 1: believe that the way the supernatural realm is set up
Speaker 1: that it's layers, it's layers upon layers, okay. And even
Speaker 1: the Bible talks about the different levels of heaven. Okay,
Speaker 1: why would we have a saying called seventh heaven m
Speaker 1: you know, or Cloud nine? Where did those sayings come from?
Speaker 1: I mean it's little things like that that make you
Speaker 1: actually want to think further outside the box of what
Speaker 1: you normally would Okay, because that's our purpose here, That's
Speaker 1: that's what we need to do. We need to make
Speaker 1: these dots can act. We need to not only find out,
Speaker 1: you know, the real get the real evidence on the
Speaker 1: flesh and blood bigfoot sasquatch, dog man, goat man, lizard man,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them. If they're flesh and blood,
Speaker 1: we need to get that. But I think at the
Speaker 1: same time, we need to realize that there is a
Speaker 1: supernatural connection to it too, which is totally different. And
Speaker 1: some people say it's inter dimensional beings or shape shifter beings,
Speaker 1: you know, that can take the shape of a big foot.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a there's a thing going around about
Speaker 1: the Reptilians being shape shifters and being in our own
Speaker 1: government for that matter, and governments around the world. I've done.
Speaker 1: There was actually a couple of sightings of Reptilian people
Speaker 1: in Newmarket, Virginia. Really yeah, up in the mountains going
Speaker 1: towards lou Ray, and I was, I was, I was
Speaker 1: actually doing the investigation on it. And I can tell
Speaker 1: you right now they weren't normal. They weren't normal people. Okay,
Speaker 1: they certainly did not act normal. They they had the eyes,
Speaker 1: the slit eyes like a snake wood or a lizard would.
Speaker 1: They had a way of moving their tongue in their
Speaker 1: mouth that just wasn't normal. You know, little quirks like that, twitches,
Speaker 1: you know, a little little like twitches and stuff that
Speaker 1: they would do. And you would know that unless they
Speaker 1: were seriously inbred. I mean that, you know, exactly exactly
Speaker 1: anything as possible in Virginia, that's right, But you know,
Speaker 1: we have to realize that there possibly could be that connection.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm I'm open minded enough being Native
Speaker 1: American that and dealing with what I've dealt with them
Speaker 1: my whole life, with the ceremonies and stuff and the
Speaker 1: dark arts that I've experienced things that normal people wouldn't experience,
Speaker 1: So I have more of an adaptation to understanding those
Speaker 1: things and to put those things in perspective. And you know,
Speaker 1: like with the rock stacking, it would make sense to
Speaker 1: me if if the teepee structures and the dome structures
Speaker 1: are our structures, that they're mimicking of sweat lodges and teepees. Okay,
Speaker 1: look what a sweat lodge looks like, and take the
Speaker 1: buffalo robes off the top of it and or the
Speaker 1: canvas starps off of it. In modern day, it's just
Speaker 1: interlocking willow interlocking and made into a frame. And that's
Speaker 1: what you see in a lot of the dome structures
Speaker 1: is interlocking branches into a main domal frame. Or you
Speaker 1: see the teepee structures. It would make sense that the
Speaker 1: rock stacking would be a memory thing too, of a
Speaker 1: distant past. Why else would they do it other than
Speaker 1: marking a trail showing somebody in their family unit a
Speaker 1: way that they went like we did, you know, we
Speaker 1: would take and put branches in the ground and take
Speaker 1: a branch and just you know, tweak it a little
Speaker 1: bit and it would point the direction that we went in.
Speaker 1: We do the same thing with stones, you know, stacking stones.
Speaker 1: We would tweak the stone a certain way and it
Speaker 1: would point the direction that we went. So you know,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they do the same thing. Okay, And when
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the supernatural aspect of it, I think
Speaker 1: that the rock structures could very well just be like
Speaker 1: muscle memory. I really do, because they're remembering something in
Speaker 1: their past. They're trying to connect something that they that
Speaker 1: they had been taught by their elders, just like our
Speaker 1: elders would teach us. You know, it makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's a stretch, but it's a stretch
Speaker 1: that we need to look at because when you're looking
Speaker 1: at it just from one angle. You know the reason
Speaker 1: Native Americans sit in a circle, and you say, I
Speaker 1: put I put that pen in a circle of of
Speaker 1: of thirty people. Every people looking at every everyone's sitting
Speaker 1: in that circle around that pen are going to see
Speaker 1: that pen from a different angle. Okay, it's the same principle.
Speaker 1: They're gonna some of them are gonna see it with
Speaker 1: with you know, this side on it. Some of them
Speaker 1: We're going to see it from the end, some of
Speaker 1: them are going to see it from this end or
Speaker 1: this side. You know, it's the same principle. The reason
Speaker 1: Native Americans sit around in a circle is because, first off,
Speaker 1: no one is greater than the other, from chief to child.
Speaker 1: Everybody's opinion matters. Because it was pretty good of the people. Okay. Secondly,
Speaker 1: it's perspective. How to how to see things from a
Speaker 1: different perspective. We need to do that. We need to
Speaker 1: be open minded enough to open up that perspectiveness and
Speaker 1: look at things completely, not the one sided, not with
Speaker 1: blinders are Okay. I'm not saying, you know, everything's WU,
Speaker 1: you know the WU factor and everything. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that we have our flesh and blood cryptids and
Speaker 1: we have our supernatural connections that okay, And I think
Speaker 1: we need to know the difference. I really do. And
Speaker 1: I think right now, currently the way things are going,
Speaker 1: it's getting intermixed. It's getting confusing for people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see that, and.
Speaker 1: I see it a lot online too, because I hear
Speaker 1: people talking about it all the time, you know, on podcasts.
Speaker 1: You know, it had red glowing eyes. It was gonna
Speaker 1: kill me, and da da da da duh, and it
Speaker 1: charged me and it was throwing rocks at me. You know, Okay,
Speaker 1: did you die, didn't die?
Speaker 3: Did you?
Speaker 1: You're telling a story, right, That's what I don't understand.
Speaker 1: People are are. They're a crazy creature, they really are.
Speaker 1: And I'm one to talk because you know of my past.
Speaker 1: But you know, if there's one thing I've learned is
Speaker 1: we really need this, this step back and realize the
Speaker 1: difference in everything.