1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So have you ever looked at like a microwaiver, 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,240 an old TV just sitting around and thought, hmmm, like, 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,400 what if there was more to this thing? Yeah? You 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,880 know what I mean, Like a secret potential just waiting 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:12,599 to be unlocked. 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:13,919 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, Like. 7 00:00:13,839 --> 00:00:16,559 Speaker 1: What if we could push these everyday electronics, you know, 8 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,320 to their limits and find something truly extraordinary? Absolutely, and 9 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,280 that's exactly what we're diving into today, the story of 10 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,800 the man who did just that. Oh wow, we're talking 11 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,760 about Mike mad Man Markham and his quest to build 12 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:30,640 a time machine. 13 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: A time machine, Yeah. 14 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: Not in some fancy lab, but in his own backyard 15 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:35,520 in Missouri. 16 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,439 Speaker 2: Ah, this is right up my alley. I love this 17 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,320 kind of stuff, the spirit of independent invention. It's just 18 00:00:41,399 --> 00:00:43,600 incredible to me, right. You know, we always think about 19 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,640 these huge scientific breakthroughs happening in these sterile labs with 20 00:00:46,679 --> 00:00:48,399 tons of money behind them, but there are so many 21 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:51,320 examples throughout history of just regular people with a ton 22 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:54,159 of curiosity who end up finding these amazing things. 23 00:00:54,359 --> 00:00:54,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 24 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it sounds like from what you sent me this, 25 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,039 Mike Markham was definitely one of those people just tinkering 26 00:01:01,039 --> 00:01:04,400 away in his home, probably more guided by intuition than 27 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:05,519 any formal training. 28 00:01:05,599 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally Yeah. And his house it was basically 29 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,359 a graveyard of electronics. Wow, wires and circuits and pieces 30 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:15,959 of old appliances. 31 00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: Everywhere, a true tinkerer's paradise exactly. 32 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: And his first project was this Jacob's ladder. 33 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,079 Speaker 2: Oh I love those you know, those. 34 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,239 Speaker 1: Two metal rods with the spark climbing between them. 35 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like a mini lightning bolt, right. 36 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. But Mike wanted to take it to a whole 37 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,040 new level. 38 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: So he basically supersized it. 39 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, he built his own transformer, wow, to boost the 40 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,560 power from the standard one hundred and twenty volts all 41 00:01:36,599 --> 00:01:38,000 the way up to twenty thousand volts. 42 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,439 Speaker 2: That's some serious voltage. 43 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,879 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And he even used wire coat hangers for 44 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,040 the rods. Yeah, talk about DIY. 45 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,799 Speaker 2: That's incredible. The ingenuity of some people. It's really inspiring 46 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:49,239 in a way. 47 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: Right. But here's where things start to get really strange. 48 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm all ears. 49 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: So Mike had this idea to use lasers to heat 50 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,359 the air around the conductors. He thought if he could 51 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:04,480 preionize the air, it would conduct electricity better and create 52 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:08,000 a more stable spark, maybe even a continuous one. 53 00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:09,719 Speaker 2: So like prepping the air to make it a better 54 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,719 pathway for the upper city exactly. 55 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,439 Speaker 1: But it didn't quite work out as planned. Oh what happened? 56 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:17,879 Instead of a continuous arc, he ended up creating this 57 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,120 weird little vortex. 58 00:02:19,319 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: A vortex like a mini tornado. 59 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of imagine the shimmering you see above hot pavement, 60 00:02:26,719 --> 00:02:29,560 but contained in this little sphere just floating there. 61 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:30,719 Speaker 2: That's really strange. 62 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally unexpected. And the lasers, even though they didn't 63 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,520 create the continuous arc he was hoping for, they might 64 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,360 have played a role in this whole vortex thing. 65 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe they changed the air density somehow or the 66 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,360 ionization levels, and that's what caused this bizarre phenomenon. 67 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,719 Speaker 1: Right, It's like the lasers accidentally created the perfect conditions 68 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,159 for this vortex to form. 69 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,319 Speaker 2: It makes you wonder about all the strange things that 70 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:54,879 could be happening around us that we just don't notice 71 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:55,680 or can't explain. 72 00:02:55,879 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely. So, anyway, Mike's got this mini vortex just hovering 73 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:00,840 there in his backyard. 74 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: Okay, what did he do next? 75 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: Well, what would you do? 76 00:03:03,319 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: Hmm, I don't know, throw something in it? 77 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:09,719 Speaker 1: Exactly, that's exactly what he did. He grabbed a sheet 78 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:13,479 metal screw and toss it right in woof, gone, vanished 79 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,479 without a trace. He waited for a bit but nothing. 80 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:19,199 Then as he turned off the power, he heard a 81 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:19,840 little clink. 82 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: Oh no way, the screw. 83 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: Had reappeared about two feet away, just lying there on 84 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:24,439 the ground. 85 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,759 Speaker 2: So like teleported, that's. 86 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,159 Speaker 1: What he started to think. Maybe it was teleportation or 87 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:32,199 maybe a tiny jump into the future. Who knows. 88 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: That's wild. It's like those stories where people lose something 89 00:03:34,719 --> 00:03:36,879 and then find it years later in the most random place. 90 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's like our brains are wired to make 91 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:42,039 these crazy connections when we can't explain something. 92 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:45,439 Speaker 2: That's the beauty of the human mind, always searching for answers. 93 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: Right. So, after this whole screw incident, Mike's ambitions just exploded. 94 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:51,439 Speaker 2: He wanted to go bigger. 95 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, way bigger. He was picturing this massive eight 96 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,360 foot tall machine. Wow, but that meant needing a ton 97 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:01,280 more power, like d thousand volts or more. 98 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,319 Speaker 2: And I'm guessing his little homemade transformer wasn't going to 99 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:04,680 cut it. 100 00:04:04,919 --> 00:04:06,039 Speaker 1: Nope, not even close. 101 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:06,879 Speaker 2: So what did he do? 102 00:04:07,199 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: Well, let's just say he got a little resourceful, maybe 103 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:11,960 a little too resourceful. 104 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:12,319 Speaker 2: Ah. 105 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:15,919 Speaker 1: Oh, he and his buddies decided to raid a power substation. 106 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: He stole transformers. 107 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they just went forward in broad daylight, took six 108 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,920 industrial grade transformers. 109 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,519 Speaker 2: That's a bold move, Cotton, let's just say that. 110 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think i'd recommend that approach. Yeah, but hey, 111 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:30,639 it's a good story, right, It is a. 112 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,079 Speaker 2: Good story, but definitely not something to try at home. 113 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: Kids, for sure. So as you can imagine, this little 114 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:39,800 stunt landed him in some trouble. I bet sixty days 115 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,199 in jail and five years of probation oach. Yeah, not 116 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,800 exactly the ideal environment for scientific breakthroughs. 117 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: No kidding. And I bet his neighbors weren't too thrilled 118 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,120 with him either, what with all the brownouts he was causing. 119 00:04:52,199 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was already kind of a local legend 120 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:55,240 because of those. 121 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:57,759 Speaker 2: Not exactly the kind of fame you want, right. 122 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,879 Speaker 1: It seemed like his time machine dreams were pretty much over. 123 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then what happened, Well. 124 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: This is where things take another crazy turn. 125 00:05:03,959 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm hooked. 126 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,519 Speaker 1: So there was this news headline, Kansas city man tries 127 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,600 to build time machine on porch. That's kitchy, right, and 128 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:13,000 it caught the attention of Art Bell. 129 00:05:13,319 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: Art Bell from Coast to Coast. 130 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:17,639 Speaker 1: Am Yeah, the guy was a legend and he had 131 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,600 a real interest in electronics and physics. Oh wow, So 132 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:24,279 suddenly Mike's story went from a local curiosity to a 133 00:05:24,399 --> 00:05:25,399 national phenomenon. 134 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: It's amazing how media can do that. 135 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: Right, one headline and boom, you're on the map. 136 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: It's like that story about the band that got mentioned 137 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,879 in a blog and became famous overnight. 138 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: Exactly. And Art Bell had this huge platform and his 139 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,920 listeners were really open to these unconventional ideas, so. 140 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: Mike's story really resonated with them. 141 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:47,199 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Art interviewed Mike for over an hour, and 142 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,240 Mike came across as this genuine guy who really believed 143 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:52,079 in what he was doing. 144 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: I bet the phones were ringing off the hook. 145 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,519 Speaker 1: They were. People were sending donations, equipment, even property. It 146 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,759 was like the early days of crowdfunding, powered by. 147 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:02,759 Speaker 2: Late night radio waves and a whole lot of curiosity exactly. 148 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: People were captivated by this story. Yeah, and with this 149 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,240 new support, Mike was able to connect with some real scientists, physicists, even. 150 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:12,879 Speaker 2: So he went from tinkering in his backyard to collaborating 151 00:06:12,879 --> 00:06:14,160 with actual experts. 152 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, they helped him refine his designs and they even 153 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:19,079 helped him get a warehouse in Overland Park, Kansas. 154 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: So he upgraded from the porch to a full blown 155 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:23,480 lab pretty much. 156 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: And about a year later he had built this new 157 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,839 massive machine. 158 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,759 Speaker 2: This is where it gets really interesting. 159 00:06:29,959 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: It is this thing was reportedly capable of generating three 160 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:35,839 million volts. 161 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: Three million, that's insane. 162 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,759 Speaker 1: It was creating what they called a plasma tornado. 163 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:45,439 Speaker 2: Wow, a plasma tornado. What does that even look like? 164 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, but I imagine it was pretty spectacular. 165 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:52,079 And art Bell even compared it to the Philadelphia experiment. 166 00:06:52,199 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 2: You know that whole story about the ship that supposedly 167 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,720 disappeared and reappeared. 168 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that one, which is pretty wild considering that both 169 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,800 stories involved high voltage and rotating magnetic fields. 170 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: It's all connected somehow. 171 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,639 Speaker 1: Right, And what's really interesting is that even some scientists 172 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,759 said that Mike's approach using high voltage and magnetism wasn't 173 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:15,000 completely out there really. Yeah, Apparently Einstein's theories hinted the 174 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:20,959 possibility of manipulating space time using extreme gravitational or electromagnetic fields. 175 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: So Mike's ideas were at least grounded in some theoretical physics. 176 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:27,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like he was tapping into some fundamental principles, 177 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,800 even if he didn't fully understand them. 178 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: That's pretty amazing, it is. 179 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: So anyway, Mike's got this plasma tornado going, and naturally 180 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,360 he starts throwing things into it. 181 00:07:37,399 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: Of course, what else would you do? 182 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:42,439 Speaker 1: Right? First, he tried inanimate objects like pieces of wood 183 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:46,199 and baseballs. They disappear in the vortex and then reappear 184 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:49,319 a short time later, always the specific distance to the 185 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,439 east or west of the machine. Never north or south. 186 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: That's strange. Always east or west. 187 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:57,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, which made Mike think that maybe the Earth's rotation 188 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,920 or magnetic field was influencing things. 189 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: Hmm, yeah, that makes sense. I mean those were pretty 190 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,480 powerful forces. 191 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:06,279 Speaker 1: Right, So then he decided to up the ante. 192 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:07,759 Speaker 2: Oh no, he didn't. 193 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,279 Speaker 1: He did. He started using live animals. Live animals, yeah, mice, hamsters, 194 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,000 guinea pigs. 195 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: This guy was fearless, he was. 196 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: And the crazy part is the animals would disappear and 197 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:22,839 then reappear seemingly unharmed. Yeah, and Mike claimed that he 198 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:27,319 could actually predict where they would land and when. By 199 00:08:27,399 --> 00:08:30,800 adjusting the voltage and the speed of the rotating magnets. 200 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: He could control where they went. 201 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: That's what he said. It's like something out of a 202 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:34,960 sci fi movie. 203 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:37,159 Speaker 2: It's incredible if it's true, of course. 204 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:39,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. But then things took an even bigger turn. 205 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: Well, could be bigger than teleporting guinea pigs. 206 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: Mike decided to step into the vortex himself. 207 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: He didn't, he did. 208 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: There's a flash of light and poof, he was gone. 209 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: He vanished. 210 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: Yep, just like that. Everyone panicked. Art Bell was supposed 211 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,879 to visit, and the media went crazy with the whole 212 00:08:54,919 --> 00:08:56,200 madman vanished his story. 213 00:08:56,279 --> 00:08:57,919 Speaker 2: It must have been absolute chaos. 214 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: It was. And then two years later my reappeared. 215 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: It came back. 216 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, but in Fairfield, Ohio, hundreds of miles away. 217 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: That's nowhere near Kansas. 218 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: Nope. And he had amnesia. He couldn't remember who he 219 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:09,360 was or how he got. 220 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: There, so he just popped up in Ohio with no memory. 221 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Eventually his memories came back and he went back 222 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,399 to the warehouse in Kansas, but it was completely. 223 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,279 Speaker 2: Empty, empty, like everything was gone. 224 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: Everything, the machine, his notes, the videos, all of it. 225 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: That's so creepy, like someone just wiped the slate clean 226 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,279 is pretty eerie. 227 00:09:25,399 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, But Mike was determined to rebuild the machine. He 228 00:09:29,159 --> 00:09:31,320 said he could remember most of the process. 229 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: But how do you rebuild something like that from scratch? 230 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, but he was convinced he could do it. 231 00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:40,519 H But there was a new problem. Metal metal wouldn't 232 00:09:40,519 --> 00:09:43,519 pass through the vortex cleanly. Sometimes he would just explode. 233 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: What that doesn't sound safe? 234 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. But then he figured out that if 235 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,720 you put the metal inside a special tube, a Faraday cage, 236 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,879 it could pass through without any problems. 237 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: So like a protective shield for the metal exactly. 238 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he decided to try going through the vortex again, 239 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,840 this time inside the Faraday cage, went back in. Yeah, 240 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:04,120 he took a cell phone with him, loaded with nippots 241 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,399 and documentation so we could record everything. Em he vanished 242 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:11,519 again and that was the last anyone ever heard from him. 243 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: So he's still out there somewhere, lost in time. 244 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,279 Speaker 1: Maybe now. There were some attempts to debunk some of 245 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:18,120 the stories. 246 00:10:17,759 --> 00:10:20,519 Speaker 2: Surrounding like oh yeah, like fact checking the rumor. 247 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: Exactly, like the one about him sending a cat through 248 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,399 the portal. Apparently that never happened. And that story about 249 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,720 a body being found in a metal drum near his 250 00:10:29,799 --> 00:10:32,000 location that was also fake. 251 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,039 Speaker 2: So just urban legends latching onto his already crazy story. 252 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:40,799 Speaker 1: Right, And apparently Mike was still alive and working in tech. 253 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: So not living under a bridge muttering about time travel. 254 00:10:43,919 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: Nope. But it still leaves us with so many. 255 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,279 Speaker 2: Questions that the biggest one, if he really could travel 256 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,600 through time, why didn't you just go to the future 257 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,639 and see how things turn out? 258 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:56,399 Speaker 1: Right? Mike's explanation was that his machine stayed in sync 259 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,159 with earth gravitational center to compensate for the planets movement through. 260 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,759 Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's an interesting idea, but not exactly scientifically proven, 261 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:05,440 not at all. 262 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: But hey, it's a good story, right. 263 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,279 Speaker 2: It is a good story. But what do you think. 264 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,000 Do you believe any of it? 265 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,519 Speaker 1: It's hard to say. I mean, there's no real evidence 266 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,639 to support his claims of time travel, but the whole 267 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,159 story is just so compelling you can't help but wonder. 268 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really makes you think about the limits of 269 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:21,480 our understanding of the universe. 270 00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it's a testament to the power of human 271 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,000 curiosity for sure. 272 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,919 Speaker 2: Even if Mike never actually built a working time machine, 273 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,200 he still managed to capture the imaginations of people all. 274 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: Over the world and that's something special. And who knows, 275 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,120 maybe somewhere out there, he's still tinkering away, trying to 276 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,399 unlock the secrets of time. 277 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,159 Speaker 2: Maybe we'll hear from him again someday. 278 00:11:42,279 --> 00:11:45,039 Speaker 1: Maybe. If you want to learn more about this whole saga, 279 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,960 we highly recommend checking out the original Coast to Coast 280 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,960 am interviews with Mike Markham. 281 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Those are a must listen for anyone interested in 282 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:53,240 this kind of stuff. 283 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,919 Speaker 1: We've included links in the show notes. Yeah, and we'd 284 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,639 love to hear your thoughts on this deep dive. 285 00:11:57,759 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, what stood out to you? What are your own 286 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,279 theories about Mike Markham and his time machine? 287 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: Let us know the comments. 288 00:12:04,039 --> 00:12:08,399 Speaker 2: Until next time, keep exploring the unknown and stay curious.