Speaker 1: All right, I really only know one meat love song.
Speaker 1: It's the I would Do Anything for Love song. I'm
Speaker 1: not familiar with this one. Which which meat love song?
Speaker 1: Did you decide to go with her?
Speaker 2: A little? Two out of three ain't bad? Okay? I
Speaker 2: think the next most popular meat loaf tune?
Speaker 1: All right, maybe, so let's let's get a little I
Speaker 1: would do anything for love, next spump deal, I got you? Okay,
Speaker 1: So Trevor Riley's live in studio, Trevor. The question is
Speaker 1: is there such a thing as simply good music?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Can you define what good music is? Or is it
Speaker 1: simply discretion and left up to one's taste.
Speaker 2: I would say, if you like classical music at all,
Speaker 2: if you like drums and violin, guitar, piano, I think Chicago, okay,
Speaker 2: obviously the album where they had David whatever his name
Speaker 2: was Foster produced the album That's pretty good music, ok okay.
Speaker 2: That mixes the pop with some you know, old school
Speaker 2: instrumental stuff with rock and roll yacht rock type stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's smooth and anybody can listen to it,
Speaker 2: because not everybody likes rock and roll. True, not everybody
Speaker 2: likes rap, but yacht rock seems to be one of
Speaker 2: those I can like Billy Iole, He's all right, okay,
Speaker 2: like you can digest it easily. Yeah, it's it's like
Speaker 2: people who speak Spanish from Peru, not a heavy accent,
Speaker 2: easy to understand. Right, you go to Dominican republics can
Speaker 2: be a little tough. Yeah, yeah, that two years of
Speaker 2: Spanish is going to be out the window now. Fair enough.
Speaker 1: Trevor Riley is live in studio, one of the best
Speaker 1: to ever do it for the utes, longtime NFL VET.
Speaker 1: All right, I do this with you every time you
Speaker 1: hop into I just want the update, man, I just
Speaker 1: want the update because I have no specific questions.
Speaker 2: You never know where this is going to go. What's
Speaker 2: going on with you as of now? It's been a
Speaker 2: wild ride. Okay. I just got off the phone with
Speaker 2: Brian Bleckin and Sennie found Nukul nice. That's my defensive
Speaker 2: staff here with the UTA Islanders. So sell that community
Speaker 2: College affiliated. We're playing Snow College two Saturdays from tomorrow
Speaker 2: in harrim at Zions Bank Stadium. Tickets from five dollars
Speaker 2: right check us out Utilanders dot com. But we've been
Speaker 2: game planning, okay, and so we were putting a roster together.
Speaker 2: We went from about fifteen guys to we're up at
Speaker 2: about fifty five now, and so that's cool. We got
Speaker 2: a Utah Players Association we formed, you know, Jesse Boone,
Speaker 2: Nate Orchard's our president. We got Sly and Matt Martinez
Speaker 2: on the board, myself and a few others, Derek Shelby.
Speaker 2: So we got a scrimmage tomorrow with the Utes. Okay,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna have our first official meeting there and
Speaker 2: then maybe some radio stuff and then you know, newly married.
Speaker 2: So that's fun.
Speaker 1: That a boy, Congratulations, I met your bride. She's lovely,
Speaker 1: isn't she beautiful?
Speaker 2: Yeah, gorgeous sched job at Lichiatre's art by the way,
Speaker 2: great watercolorists, very nice, very nice.
Speaker 1: All right, So Utah Islanders, Utah Islanders dot Com is
Speaker 1: where you go. So Trev, let's kind of go back
Speaker 1: a little bit because radio is not linear for our
Speaker 1: listeners who were not tuned in prior to take us
Speaker 1: through the origin story. When did you first come up
Speaker 1: with this idea and then unpack exactly what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 2: Well, all the credit goes to Chrystalin and his wife Jess.
Speaker 2: They kept this semi pro football team alive just for
Speaker 2: the love of the game. Neither of them have kids,
Speaker 2: and it's a couple who are They own a company
Speaker 2: called screen Protect and they were He wanted to get
Speaker 2: involved in football, so he starts this. He gets involved
Speaker 2: with the Sentinels that used to be okay, and this
Speaker 2: is low, low level. This is beer league ball, right,
Speaker 2: This is the old school beer league ball. Got to
Speaker 2: start somewhere. So this is a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: So then they morphed it, and you know, he's an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: He gets this idea, why don't we link up with
Speaker 2: the college and so Solid Community College, as you know,
Speaker 2: does not and has never had football. That was a
Speaker 2: void that's easily filled. So he set that up and
Speaker 2: then we got a couple of guys on board, T
Speaker 2: Kenny Kenny from the University of Utah and a few
Speaker 2: other guys. And then you know, he called me and said, hey,
Speaker 2: I need you to kind of put a bow on
Speaker 2: this thing. You put this thing together like how you
Speaker 2: were doing it Jackson State and Colorado and helping out.
Speaker 2: You know, I learned from Bobby Black and at Utah.
Speaker 2: He's my best friend up there, and so there's a
Speaker 2: lot of continuity there. And so the idea was this
Speaker 2: that we can put together a team where we can
Speaker 2: do a life after ball, right, you know, an entrepreneur school,
Speaker 2: trade school, and that way, if you don't want to
Speaker 2: go to class Spence, you can still play secondary ball.
Speaker 2: And at the same time, if you do want to
Speaker 2: go play Division one, we'll set you. We got an
Speaker 2: academic advisor, you got a scholarship here at the community.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot there. But the biggest thing is
Speaker 2: that we have junior college ball. I call it single
Speaker 2: a football now, Okay, in Salt Lake, in Utah County.
Speaker 2: You don't have to go to eat from anymore. And
Speaker 2: that's kind of a big deal. It is. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of kids that are gonna I mean they're showing it.
Speaker 2: They're calling me every day, dude, I love. I love
Speaker 2: to hear that. So I have the website up.
Speaker 1: I'll tell people continuously go to Utah Islanders dot com
Speaker 1: and you have a roster.
Speaker 2: You have a roster up on your website.
Speaker 1: Uh, last time you joined us, you said, one of
Speaker 1: the young men practicing with you was wearing an ankle monitor.
Speaker 2: We're all about redemption. Baby, I'm with you, you know me,
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Did this? Did he make the team? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's great linebacker. Okay, Uh, he's just he's a great kid,
Speaker 2: all right. He's actually related to the schools. So I
Speaker 2: coached at Utah nice me by sool, very nice and
Speaker 2: so uh he's shown up every day. And we have
Speaker 2: other kids. We have a kid who's an engineer. He
Speaker 2: wants to be an engineer. We know a kid wants
Speaker 2: to be a doctor. We have a kid who's a plumber,
Speaker 2: and we have a kid who's a welder. We have
Speaker 2: a kid who owns his own car detailing business. Just
Speaker 2: got a new Beamer. Nice. So, I mean, there's a lot,
Speaker 2: it's a potpourri of people. But the good thing is
Speaker 2: it's local. It's about ninety percent local. So this game
Speaker 2: on Saturday, the twenty third, it's a celebration in the
Speaker 2: state of Utah. You're going to see a lot of
Speaker 2: the great high school players you've seen in the last
Speaker 2: five to six years. And then Snow College is going
Speaker 2: to put a great team out there. And Nashley rank
Speaker 2: last year and what we have to start looking at this. Everybody,
Speaker 2: listen here this is developmental football. Now, Okay, we are
Speaker 2: the farm teams for Utah and BYU, and so that's
Speaker 2: what this is. You want to come see what the
Speaker 2: talent looks like. Right. We just saw what BYU did
Speaker 2: with Jay Hill. Yep, they farmed about six of them
Speaker 2: out there, right, brought them on over one eleven games.
Speaker 2: So the blueprints already there. And I think we're heading
Speaker 2: the right direction. And thanks for having a song, but
Speaker 2: that we really appreciate. Oh of course, you know you're
Speaker 2: my guy. So your reference. You're going to scrimmage the Utes? No, no,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying we want to feed them players. But
Speaker 2: earlier you said you have a scrimmage. Is that true?
Speaker 2: This Utes have a scrimmage tomorrow? Correct, And well I'll
Speaker 2: be there. That's the Utah Players Association. Oh, I see
Speaker 2: we have we now have got we've become official. Okay,
Speaker 2: we went on the internet, so I guess it's official.
Speaker 2: Not on social media, but I guess that's how it
Speaker 2: goes now. Nate Fakafula Orchard is our president of the
Speaker 2: the mayor of sac Lake City. Indeed, Jesse Boone vice president,
Speaker 2: and I said before it was kind of a brain
Speaker 2: trust between those guys and myself put this thing together.
Speaker 2: And you know, we're working with Pablocanno and Rudy Rudy,
Speaker 2: we're trying. We're trying to We got to get the
Speaker 2: alumni involved, right And that's that's this thing that you
Speaker 2: tells as you know, as a you, that's one thing
Speaker 2: we've always talked about. I think you know, Jeff Rudy
Speaker 2: and his crew and Pablo there, they're bridging the gap
Speaker 2: with us and I think we're going to have a
Speaker 2: good family of meeting on Saturday. How how can you
Speaker 2: and alumni get involved with this? Well, first thing we
Speaker 2: need to support, right we and for all U ex players,
Speaker 2: if you played one day of University Utah football, please
Speaker 2: come to the scrimmage on Saturday. Reach out to Adam
Speaker 2: Fry or Pablocanno. We got a We had a lunch
Speaker 2: at El Cholo Restaurant after from two to four and
Speaker 2: that's going to be our hangout spot and we'll have
Speaker 2: you over there. Spence. We're going, We're we we got
Speaker 2: it going though now. So now it's we're like every
Speaker 2: other university. It's like some novel things like it's already
Speaker 2: just this is what it is now, so you feel
Speaker 2: like you have some good momentum. You know, the things
Speaker 2: are just going in the right direction. What do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean, imagine this if you are a donor, right,
Speaker 2: what if we start a hedge fund? What if I
Speaker 2: get some private equity money? Would you got to give
Speaker 2: you money to the school? Give it ust We'll go
Speaker 2: buy players. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's out of the box thinking like this
Speaker 1: that's happening across the country. That honestly, you got to
Speaker 1: figure out some angle, Trev. Because ultimately the reality right now,
Speaker 1: and this is not surprising to me because I said
Speaker 1: this five years ago when NIL started to become a reality.
Speaker 1: I said, this is going to really benefit BYU. It's
Speaker 1: going to really benefit Brigham Young. They have a lot
Speaker 1: of entrepreneurs that have graduated from school and started companies
Speaker 1: and MLMs and whatever else they've done, the Silicon slopes,
Speaker 1: the tech bros who have made hundreds of millions of
Speaker 1: dollars sometimes billions of dollars, that very much love BYU
Speaker 1: Athletics and the interesting tie. This is something we talked
Speaker 1: about this week because Notre Dame and BYU right now
Speaker 1: have massive collectives and economic tax free money based infusion.
Speaker 1: It's tax free money. But the other thing it is
Speaker 1: trev and you know this because you have an LDS background.
Speaker 1: If you're a Catholic and you love Notre Dame, and
Speaker 1: Notre Dame says to you, Notre Dame football is a
Speaker 1: great conduit in a vehicle for the exposure for the
Speaker 1: Catholic church. If you're a member of the Catholic church
Speaker 1: and you love Notre Dame, you say to Jack Swarbuck,
Speaker 1: how much money do you need?
Speaker 2: If this is the deal, If you're telling me that my.
Speaker 1: Football program or my basketball program will lead to more
Speaker 1: exposure for the church that I love and that's my
Speaker 1: faith system, here's a blank check. And if you're a
Speaker 1: member of the LDS church and Brian Santiago comes to
Speaker 1: you and says, we believe our football program is the
Speaker 1: best missionary tool that we have in athletic department to
Speaker 1: spread the gospel, what are you going to say? How
Speaker 1: much money do you want? Utah does not have that
Speaker 1: built an advantage. Yes, plenty of LDS people on the
Speaker 1: coaching staff, plenty of LDS people the administration, plenty of
Speaker 1: LDS people that are alumni. But Utah does not utilize
Speaker 1: their message as a missionary tool the way BYU does.
Speaker 1: So whatever the out of the box idea is, Trev,
Speaker 1: you got to come up with something for Utah to
Speaker 1: keep up.
Speaker 2: I agree. And to answer a few of those points there,
Speaker 2: I would say this, We've never had an alumni meeting ever. Never. Huh.
Speaker 2: So that's interesting, right, I had a football team, right,
Speaker 2: we've never now that And maybe that's not a normal thing.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure they've had the meetings. Just no one's showing,
Speaker 2: at least I'm not, and I've heard that from a
Speaker 2: number of people. That's not anybody's fault. We were a
Speaker 2: commuter school, right, we were not. They just put dorms
Speaker 2: up there. What for the Olympics. This is not a
Speaker 2: place where people like moved to and went to school.
Speaker 2: It's downtown Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had dorms, but I can tell you it
Speaker 1: is somebody that spent some time up there in the nineties.
Speaker 1: They were it was like a Lakita in compared to
Speaker 1: like a Marriout, which they have now that the dorms
Speaker 1: are a little bit better now.
Speaker 2: So some of the things, right, they tore up the
Speaker 2: golf course and they you know. You know I'm going
Speaker 2: to say this. I mentioned Brian and Sinny. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm going to give up my generation a little credit.
Speaker 2: We bridged the gap from the Mountain West to the
Speaker 2: Pac twel he did, and so there's some of us
Speaker 2: meet and Brian, especially Brian really he was there, I know,
Speaker 2: and he started as a freshman. We met, We beat
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald in that team Pittsburgh twenty ten. He has
Speaker 2: the game when he picked his first game. Amazing play.
Speaker 2: But anyways, you go from that right to the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2: The money, right, that was the biggest deal. We were
Speaker 2: always small time, yep, because we had no money and
Speaker 2: we had no facilities and so urban and I know,
Speaker 2: obviously coach mc bride started the whole thing, Chris Hill
Speaker 2: hiring him and hiring Majeris. You know, Chris Hill doesn't
Speaker 2: get eno credit for those two hires. Those are two
Speaker 2: big hires. Man. You don't have to worry about basketball
Speaker 2: football for ten years a decade. And so going forward,
Speaker 2: we got to start collaborating with the school. We don't
Speaker 2: want to fight the school. We want to work. We
Speaker 2: all want to win, Okay, the goal is to win,
Speaker 2: and for players like for one thing. We want healthcare.
Speaker 2: That'd be nice, right, we got twenty five hundred X players,
Speaker 2: we could put something together. Right, That's something we could
Speaker 2: do so that they're among other things. Right, that's a
Speaker 2: good goal to start with, I think Spence. And then
Speaker 2: for us, we want to be a vehicle to drive
Speaker 2: money for the school. We need to start earning money
Speaker 2: for the team. We need an a owl money now,
Speaker 2: a lot of it. Yep, okay, or it's people are
Speaker 2: going to start getting fired, and the people start getting
Speaker 2: angry and you start blaming people. It's because we don't
Speaker 2: have any money. You're athletics right in Vegas, it's always
Speaker 2: the talk. You don't want to be the A's. You
Speaker 2: don't want to be Utah State where they got one
Speaker 2: guy that's in a OL money. That's it. I'll be
Speaker 2: the quarterback. So we do not that where we're going
Speaker 2: to be that. But it's the have and have nots.
Speaker 2: I just these Texas schools they got money, and you're
Speaker 2: in the Big twelve, right and the Mormons they got money.
Speaker 2: So we got to figure out a way. So I'm
Speaker 2: hoping we can collaborate with all the great minds who've
Speaker 2: played here or who are alumni like yourself, who are
Speaker 2: doing big things. We should we need to start meeting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know the interesting thing.
Speaker 1: The Athletic did a piece today about the Big Ten
Speaker 1: looking into private equity. The Big Ten is going to
Speaker 1: make over a billion dollars this year and every member
Speaker 1: institution is going to take home about eighty nine million.
Speaker 1: That dwarfs what the Big twelve schools are going to
Speaker 1: take home. BYU will be a full rev sharing school
Speaker 1: next year. They're not full yet. Utah was full of
Speaker 1: rev right out of the gates, which says a lot
Speaker 1: about how the Big Twelve wanted Utah. But when you
Speaker 1: compare the Big Twelve to the SEC and the Big Ten,
Speaker 1: the gap is huge and it's just going to keep
Speaker 1: getting bigger. And if the Big Ten gets ahead of
Speaker 1: this with private equity money, you can just kiss it goodbye.
Speaker 1: Because I really still think Trevor, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, there will be this line of delineation that
Speaker 1: occurs between We'll just use the easiest example, the Big
Speaker 1: Ten of the SEC doing their own thing and everybody
Speaker 1: else being left OUTNC basically, and so if your Utah,
Speaker 1: if your BYU, you know, the two schools that we
Speaker 1: cover the most on the show. You have to have
Speaker 1: everything in order that if that phone call comes from
Speaker 1: the powers and the Big ten of the SEC and
Speaker 1: they say we are breaking away, no more NCAA, we
Speaker 1: don't give a rip about partnerships with you.
Speaker 2: We are breaking away, but we are interested in you Utah.
Speaker 1: To join us, you have to have everything in line
Speaker 1: and none, the least of which is your economic model.
Speaker 2: And I honestly don't know what it is at Utah.
Speaker 2: I really don't. Well, my grandfather tells great stories Wayne
Speaker 2: Riley about when the Arizona schools. He says, I remember
Speaker 2: the pack a, those Arizona schools got in here. They
Speaker 2: took a decade even be relevant. And he had a point.
Speaker 2: I went back and looked at if he wasn't wrong
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. And so what happens is
Speaker 2: if you even if you know we're going to scale,
Speaker 2: it'll probably be a two conference football thing in college football.
Speaker 2: And the NCAA has already done anyway. I mean at
Speaker 2: my level, they did. They allow all intent and purposes.
Speaker 2: At our level, we're playing junior colleges Division two and
Speaker 2: Division three and semi proteins. So it's already. And I
Speaker 2: used to tell people I was at Jackson State. Okay,
Speaker 2: I never saw our compliance officer. We had one. She
Speaker 2: was awesome, you know, she was for the whole school.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't because we were breaking rules. It just
Speaker 2: they know at the bottom, they don't care. And so
Speaker 2: when you start scaling up, right, we're at the point
Speaker 2: now where they don't care anymore, the big schools because
Speaker 2: they've lost the recort case. And so going to what
Speaker 2: I think for Utah, we don't want to get caught
Speaker 2: like Arizona's or we get into the big time and
Speaker 2: then we're ten years behind. Yeah, yeah, you spend a
Speaker 2: decade catching up financially, Let's get ahead of it. We
Speaker 2: know what's coming, right, Yeah, I mean that's where I
Speaker 2: think it's moving now.
Speaker 1: There are some complications with some of the television deals
Speaker 1: that don't expire for a few years. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you would have asked me to have five years ago,
Speaker 1: what will the sport look like in five years meaning now,
Speaker 1: I would have told you I thought we would already
Speaker 1: be in that model. Okay, so five years later, what
Speaker 1: we're looking at now a few complications and there there
Speaker 1: are there's some momentum in Congress or the ability for
Speaker 1: players to collectively bargain, now, that will be something that
Speaker 1: has to be passed through legislators and local leaders. And
Speaker 1: there are some complications when it comes to treating football
Speaker 1: players like employees.
Speaker 2: Certainly for public school.
Speaker 1: Like Utah, BYU does not have the same complications and
Speaker 1: they're not beholden to the state the way the University
Speaker 1: of Utah is.
Speaker 2: They still take federal dollars though, I think, which means
Speaker 2: they're going to be beholding to somebody.
Speaker 1: But as far as the ability to treat people like
Speaker 1: employees and collectively bargain, so the players and look, the
Speaker 1: complications will be taken on by very smart lawyers who
Speaker 1: see dollar signs. Like the best career right now in
Speaker 1: law is to sue the NC DOUBLEA because like over
Speaker 1: the time, over the past five years, like every lawsuit
Speaker 1: that's been filed by the NC DOUBLEA or against the
Speaker 1: NC DOUBLEA has gone against them. And so whenever I
Speaker 1: hear people, I think it's lazy analysis. When I hear
Speaker 1: people say, oh, there's too much red tape, you can't
Speaker 1: traverse it, Yes you can. And powerful lawyers will take
Speaker 1: on this task of teaming up with college athletes and
Speaker 1: saying we will collectively bargain on your behalf, and we
Speaker 1: will negotiate a salary cap. I know there's the twenty
Speaker 1: point five mil that's been out there, but that's low
Speaker 1: compared to the revenue.
Speaker 2: That's brought in. Plus there's private money on top of that.
Speaker 1: Private money on topic. It will negotiate a salary cap.
Speaker 1: We're going to negotiate a pension. We're going to make
Speaker 1: sure that you're taking care of long after you play.
Speaker 1: And then the powers that being in the new era
Speaker 1: of college football, will negotiate with the lawyers.
Speaker 2: And it's going to look a lot like the NFL.
Speaker 1: And honestly, this should have happened yesterday because if we
Speaker 1: do this, Trevor, what it does is alleviate the issue
Speaker 1: of players leaving after a year.
Speaker 2: Why why would you you sign a contract?
Speaker 1: Okay, you're here for two years with a team option
Speaker 1: for a third year, and that option will not be exercised.
Speaker 1: If you're a top two round pick, you can lead
Speaker 1: to go to the draft. If you do that, players
Speaker 1: do not transfer willy nilly. You can keep them on
Speaker 1: campus and develop a program instead of trying to break it.
Speaker 2: Bronco Menerha's eighty new players this year. Most schools have
Speaker 2: between sixty and seventy.
Speaker 1: It makes it impossible for a coaching staff to build
Speaker 1: a program, and it makes it impossible for a community
Speaker 1: to latch onto players because they're here for a year.
Speaker 2: What I mean to your point, just to bring it
Speaker 2: back the Islanders, just to include us in one little thing.
Speaker 2: If we are really the bottom, right, if we are
Speaker 2: the single a ball, and we'll say Utah States triple A.
Speaker 2: If you're a kid right now and you have an
Speaker 2: offer from Utah State, it's a linebacker. You get to
Speaker 2: go burning. You'r a Velligi a billion start as a freshmen.
Speaker 2: We're not going to pay any money, or you can
Speaker 2: come play for us. I take nine units. Your clock
Speaker 2: doesn't start now. You can see where it starts getting
Speaker 2: a little fuzzy there right right. If you're a parent
Speaker 2: and you're a kid, like well, if I see my kids,
Speaker 2: will it developed? Why don't we just take this year
Speaker 2: over here? And so now the system becomes such where
Speaker 2: it cannibalizes itself at the bottom and so at the top.
Speaker 2: If you have some structure, you know, he's seen that
Speaker 2: movie with the Duluth Eskimos with George Clooney. Well, it's
Speaker 2: about in the twenties when they when the government got
Speaker 2: involved because people were dying in the NFL games. And
Speaker 2: so I don't think that's not I don't think people
Speaker 2: a dying in college football. But it's getting out of hand.
Speaker 2: Trust me when I tell you, I mean I have
Speaker 2: some off air wild stories about negotiations about NIL that
Speaker 2: are just like a but just think AU basketb. They
Speaker 2: already made the documentary with the AU basketball. We've already
Speaker 2: seen this show, right, It's not something that's totally crazy.
Speaker 2: So we got to get some structure up there. I
Speaker 2: think Congress is going to get involved becaus I mentioned
Speaker 2: earlier when you take federal money, right, they want to
Speaker 2: say right now they see that they're not getting a
Speaker 2: piece of this pie. Let's be honest with Curre administration
Speaker 2: not getting political, but they're they're taxing everybody. So Trump's
Speaker 2: made it a thing where he's he'll get involved if
Speaker 2: they don't government themselves. And Trump's a football guy. We
Speaker 2: know that from the what was the league, the USFL okay,
Speaker 2: and he tried to get in the NFL. So I
Speaker 2: could see him. You know, if this thing goes south
Speaker 2: again this year where it's just a complete s show,
Speaker 2: as we would say, I think the FEDS are going
Speaker 2: to get involved because they're they're the ones spending money
Speaker 2: on these schools well, and they're trying to get involved.
Speaker 1: The problem with that red tape is that it's so
Speaker 1: bipartisan that any Republican bill has to pass through Democratic
Speaker 1: votes and they're just not going to vote in lockstop
Speaker 1: for everything because they have different approaches of how they
Speaker 1: think that this should work.
Speaker 2: Maybe football can save America is the only bipartisan thing
Speaker 2: left right when you get together and.
Speaker 1: Get some legislation, please, football will make America great again.
Speaker 2: There you go. Okay, So Trav, let's let's go back
Speaker 2: for a moment.
Speaker 1: If we have any listeners right now, know of a
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty year old that played high school football, was
Speaker 1: really good, couldn't make grades, didn't have money to pay tuition,
Speaker 1: couldn't get a scholarship, or just didn't have Look, man,
Speaker 1: this is a tough game because ultimately, with the way
Speaker 1: it is now, you have to pay a ton of
Speaker 1: money for your young man to start playing soccer or
Speaker 1: basketball or football at a very young age, and it's
Speaker 1: a very specialized situation where if you want to play
Speaker 1: in high school, you kind of have to be a
Speaker 1: part of the pipeline when you're six, seven, eight years old,
Speaker 1: like expensive man baseball, dude, exactly. I mean my son
Speaker 1: played club soccer. I remember the first trip you had
Speaker 1: to take. I was like, wait, I'm playing thirteen grand
Speaker 1: for that, Like what's going on here? So if you
Speaker 1: don't have the means to expose your child to a
Speaker 1: high school coach and by proxy a college coach, if
Speaker 1: you have that young man who you think has potential,
Speaker 1: you have a home for him with the Islanders, right.
Speaker 2: And I got to preface this right now, I need
Speaker 2: a couple of big boys. I need some offensive lineman,
Speaker 2: he's a defensive lineman, or two need a quarterback. Right.
Speaker 2: But when the season ends, right, it was short season,
Speaker 2: we're done in October eleventh, we'll be having tryouts again.
Speaker 2: And we're always looking for talent, right, And it's gett
Speaker 2: a little closer to the edge here. That's why we're
Speaker 2: narrow down to those specific positions. But absolutely and not
Speaker 2: just nineteen to twenty. I want guys nineteen to twenty
Speaker 2: six there's gonna be return missionaries. I got a guys
Speaker 2: twenty three as a freshman. This is guys, This is
Speaker 2: not called this is pro ball now. This is single
Speaker 2: A ball and single A baseball. They got thirty year
Speaker 2: olds in there. I'm not saying we want that because
Speaker 2: you want to graduate, guys, right, but you know there's
Speaker 2: gonna be certain that Chris Wanky won the Heisman at
Speaker 2: what twenty eight twenty Yeah, that was twenty five of
Speaker 2: my senior year. So yeah, to your point, if you
Speaker 2: don't want to go to school but you still want
Speaker 2: to play ball, we got a spot for you. If
Speaker 2: you're trying to go to a bigger school, we got
Speaker 2: a spot for you. If you want to do welding
Speaker 2: and you need free welding school, we got a spot
Speaker 2: for you. How about trucking, we got a spot for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot going on. Plus, if you figure
Speaker 2: this personal train and football, you talked about that, how
Speaker 2: about they don't tell you if you want to really
Speaker 2: get good at soccer, your son needs to go to
Speaker 2: three days a week to a personal trainer. That's fact. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we are offering personal training as football coaches. It's basically
Speaker 2: a walk on when you go to Utah State or
Speaker 2: BA or Utah you used to walk on. That's an
Speaker 2: expensive amount of money you're paying to play football. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, like fifty a year to play football. One
Speaker 2: hundred percent. It's not that cost here.
Speaker 1: Well, and let me just say this for anybody who's
Speaker 1: listening who might feel little skeptical, the one thing that
Speaker 1: wins in sport is talent, period, end of story. Okay,
Speaker 1: So if you have a or if you know all
Speaker 1: the family that as a young man, if you're listening
Speaker 1: and you know a family that as a young man
Speaker 1: that for whatever reason didn't get the exposure to his
Speaker 1: high school or college coach, couldn't make grades, didn't have tuition.
Speaker 1: If you take advantage of what Trevor's offering, all it
Speaker 1: takes is one practice where Morgan Scalley shows up and says, wait,
Speaker 1: who is that?
Speaker 2: That's it?
Speaker 1: And then and then guess what they do, Trevor, They
Speaker 1: figure it out. If you have the talent, they will
Speaker 1: figure out how to get you into the University of Utah.
Speaker 2: Jordan Cameron you remember him, sure, yeah, yeah, he just
Speaker 2: shows up at SC I want to play, And now
Speaker 2: he's getting made. He made thirty million dollars. Now that's
Speaker 2: a one off story, but there's a lot of those stories. Man.
Speaker 2: I found a guy at Betos one time, Betos when
Speaker 2: I was playing. You can ask Klonie Sataki was his cousin.
Speaker 2: I didn't know it, Okay. I seen this big Tongua
Speaker 2: cat in there eating burritos, had about three of them.
Speaker 2: I said, hey, dude, we could use you on the
Speaker 2: scout old line, all right, and so I shot him
Speaker 2: showed up. That was when I was a sophomore in college.
Speaker 2: They called him Beatos and he stuck it out for
Speaker 2: a while. But you will find him anywhere. I found
Speaker 2: a guy at church, okay, six seven three twenty wow,
Speaker 2: like two years of college community college basketball. He's my
Speaker 2: starting left tackle. There you go. Okay. I found a
Speaker 2: guy at the nightclub, all right, big old Mexican dude
Speaker 2: playing a receiver at some junior college. He's playing defensive
Speaker 2: end for US. Great guy. Yeah, so we'll find him anywhere. Okay.
Speaker 2: We've also found kids at other schools, so it's not
Speaker 2: just backyard boogie. I'm saying to your point, if I
Speaker 2: see some talent, right, I'm gonna ask a question. Hey,
Speaker 2: are you available, right, because that's what the name of
Speaker 2: the game is. It's the currency of this game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you have talent, you have you have a say always.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I could go on and on about
Speaker 1: stories of you know, random NBA people going to street
Speaker 1: ball games at Rucker Park or in New York and saying, wait,
Speaker 1: who's that kid? That's it and suddenly he's got a
Speaker 1: college scholarship and suddenly he has a chance to play
Speaker 1: pro bawl.
Speaker 2: There. This is not linear. Life is not a straight line.
Speaker 1: There's not one way to make this happen, which is
Speaker 1: why the model is pretty intriguing.
Speaker 2: Let's use your upcoming scrimmage to Snow College. Okay, and
Speaker 2: then that's actually a real game. Okay, the scrimmage is
Speaker 2: tomorrow with the ut I keep like I might I
Speaker 2: probably cross those but a little bit. But let's go
Speaker 2: to the game that you're playing against Snow.
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe your goal is Utah or b YU or
Speaker 1: D one or P four, but Snow is a great
Speaker 1: conduit to that. I mean, how many great Snow college
Speaker 1: players or Rick's college players went on to play at
Speaker 1: b YU and Utah and Utah State.
Speaker 2: Been the lifeblood, right, they've been the life blood of
Speaker 2: those two programs.
Speaker 1: So if you can get with the Islanders and they're
Speaker 1: playing against and the head coach of SNOW sees that
Speaker 1: one kid and is like, what's his deal? Suddenly you
Speaker 1: have a chance to play college football and then you'll
Speaker 1: be exposed to even a bigger audience.
Speaker 2: And SNOW is playing the same team as we are.
Speaker 2: We're actually playing better teams than SNOW because at our
Speaker 2: level we're playing Laverne College, Redlands University. Now I say better,
Speaker 2: let me rephrase that thir D two and D three
Speaker 2: and on a hierarchy that they should be better. You
Speaker 2: know how that goes. Some of these powerhouse jac's could
Speaker 2: be beat small D one s a player. But to
Speaker 2: your point, we have junior college football in Salt Lake
Speaker 2: and Utah County. It's in Harriman, it's at RSLs Indo.
Speaker 2: You know where that's at. Your family built the dang place.
Speaker 2: So we're you know, you guys are taxing. Then they're taxes,
Speaker 2: but it's a good deal. Okay. So the key is this,
Speaker 2: if you want to play ball and you have some talent,
Speaker 2: you don't have to go to Ephraim. How does that sound? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've been Okay, so spot, I stopped and I left
Speaker 2: right on the spot. It's a great place. Senny's from
Speaker 2: me from Okay. He's running a cattle ranch out Okay.
Speaker 2: So to each their own. But you don't have to
Speaker 2: go there. I don't do what Salt Lake in Utah County.
Speaker 2: They are two of the most growing places in the world.
Speaker 2: Ay Probo has an airport that's flying direct to DC. Yep.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't have thought that twenty years ago, not at all.
Speaker 2: And so we're in the spot now where we're a
Speaker 2: national dude, and if we joined this Big Ten, one
Speaker 2: of these two schools are going to be in the
Speaker 2: Big Ten soon. I think. I think you're right about that.
Speaker 1: And another way to look at this. I'm sure we've
Speaker 1: all watched the documentary Last Chance. You where either a
Speaker 1: football program or a basketball program from a small juco
Speaker 1: in Mississippi or whatever has three or four dudes that
Speaker 1: are good enough to play at Bama and some have
Speaker 1: gone on to play in the pros, but they just
Speaker 1: didn't have the same access that some of the other
Speaker 1: kids had. It's kind of another way to look at.
Speaker 2: It, think Marshaun Lynch, I sat clipping him yesterday. It
Speaker 2: formed a guy on the sideline with his camera caves protective,
Speaker 2: right camera, that's right, yeah, Junior College. Yeah, okay, he's
Speaker 2: from your Richmond, I think at Oakland. But I mean
Speaker 2: there's so many guys and I could just Shakey Smithson
Speaker 2: all American, right, So Terrence Kane, I mean, there's just
Speaker 2: so many guys throughout the year. Garrett Bulls, Aaron Rodgers College. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so everybody knows that we don't need to blay in
Speaker 2: that point. It's just now it's here, and now we
Speaker 2: have a game Saturday, August twenty third. There's no other game.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have live DJ, We're gonna have food trucks. Right,
Speaker 2: this is a twelve to ten event. Bring your kids,
Speaker 2: and it's football on a Saturday. Dude, you're gonna see
Speaker 2: some of these local Joe's right and the next guy's up. Really,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be I mean, this is like baseball. Now,
Speaker 2: guys are on the East Coast. You know what they talking.
Speaker 2: They talk baseball and Spring the Yankees and I lived
Speaker 2: in their talking. I mean, what's the name of the
Speaker 2: two guys, Francesca and the other guy. They're talking Spring
Speaker 2: training by they're talking double a ball, right, And what
Speaker 2: was the movie with with Richard pryor okay, the baseball
Speaker 2: team out there? Oh, come on, Porter, suck the bulls, right,
Speaker 2: whatever it was. But they're talking to the developmental players.
Speaker 2: And so that's where this thing's at now, especially all gambling. Right,
Speaker 2: this is it's starting to be a thing now where
Speaker 2: it's who's the next stup? Right, people are making their
Speaker 2: spreads and doing all that stuff. So we're we're in
Speaker 2: the action. Our goal is to send out two or
Speaker 2: three players, and we want as me as we can't
Speaker 2: to utahn By. You are any school, but those two.
Speaker 1: First Utah Islanders dot com. Hey, before I say you lose.
Speaker 1: Chris CAMRAADDI was in studio yesterday from the Athletic. He
Speaker 1: wrote a piece did you know Greg?
Speaker 2: Greg Newman? Did you know Greg Newman? Knew him very well?
Speaker 2: You knew him very well? Eat friends, Okay, John Peel, myself,
Speaker 2: JJ Williams, Christian Cox, myself. I was a freshman, right,
Speaker 2: Greg had just graduated. I wasn't gonna play pro. Greg
Speaker 2: was tight. I was tight with Greg, dude, real tight.
Speaker 2: And I got to tell you when I read the
Speaker 2: piece it resonated. Ye, something clicked, Okay, something happened. If
Speaker 2: you read the piece. I don't want to give it
Speaker 2: all away, but you can. I'll let you expound. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it was one of those things where when that whole
Speaker 2: thing happened, we were all just stunned, sick and stunned.
Speaker 2: And I feel for his family. Let me ask you
Speaker 2: did did uh?
Speaker 1: And this is a tough one because I don't want
Speaker 1: to paint it like anyone gave up on him, because
Speaker 1: obviously he was on Weell, at what point did the
Speaker 1: group that you were friends with, as far as being
Speaker 1: tied with him? At what point did you feel like
Speaker 1: it was the point of Because even if I almost
Speaker 1: cried when I read that his parents brought him Christmas
Speaker 1: dinner in his tent when he was living in a
Speaker 1: tent in California, so even his family at some point
Speaker 1: was kind of like, there's really nothing we could do.
Speaker 1: At what point did it feel like, Yeah, the Greg
Speaker 1: that we knew is no longer the Greg that we knew.
Speaker 2: I saw him probably my senior year, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We saw him somewhere and he was a little bit off.
Speaker 2: I offer me he wasn't what he was, and I
Speaker 2: called him, I say, hey, have you talked to Greg?
Speaker 2: I don't remember who I called it, and it was
Speaker 2: one of those people I mentioned and they kind of said, yeah,
Speaker 2: he just seems a little off. But just to bring
Speaker 2: it back, as you said that, I can't help but think,
Speaker 2: what if we had this alumni association better? For sure?
Speaker 2: Can you imagine? Or if we had to reach out
Speaker 2: and I take responsibility, we should have got it and
Speaker 2: got it done earlier. And you bring this up right,
Speaker 2: and I don't know, it just makes me think, right,
Speaker 2: we don't want to have a repeat of a Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think we mentioned what we all need to
Speaker 2: start meeting, figure some things out. But players, again, I
Speaker 2: talked about healthcare right, having some healthcare right where we
Speaker 2: can afford to take care of a guy like that.
Speaker 2: Not all of us are going pro man, and even
Speaker 2: some of those who go pro, you don't get insurance
Speaker 2: unless you play three years, and even then my insurance
Speaker 2: is up. Man, I got twenty years. I'm on my own,
Speaker 2: so my pension kicks in. And so you start thinking
Speaker 2: about guys like Newman, Okay I call them Newman, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it makes me sick and I wish that this should
Speaker 2: have been done earlier, so all U ex players are
Speaker 2: listening or please send this message out. Please contact pablo'conno
Speaker 2: or Adam Frye at the University of Utaught, Jesse Boone,
Speaker 2: Nate Orchard. We need you to register with us that
Speaker 2: Spence springs up a great point. We can't let this
Speaker 2: happen and we got to take care of each other.