1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:05,599 Speaker 1: What's going on? 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. It 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,080 is heard live every day from noon to three on 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,839 WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you want exclusive content 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,160 like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, my daily 6 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:19,480 show prep with all the links, become a patron, go 7 00:00:19,559 --> 00:00:23,399 to thepeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,320 Get every episode for free right to your smartphone or tablet. 9 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:30,359 And again, thank you so much for your support. It's Tuesday, 10 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:33,399 it's twelve o'clock and that means it's done time. Andrew Dunn, 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,880 the contributing columnist over at Charlotte Observer. We don't hold 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,920 that against him, though, and the publisher of long Leave Politics. 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,399 Longleafpol dot com is the website. Subscribe as I do, Andrew, 14 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:45,320 how are you today, sir? 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm doing good. Done time. I might need to 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:49,640 trademark that. 17 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:51,759 Speaker 2: You can have it. It is my gift to you. 18 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:55,600 I'm thinking merch opportunities for you. 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:56,759 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: Oh you know what you could also do? Be like, 21 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:03,439 I'm just so done. You could do something like that too, 22 00:01:05,159 --> 00:01:06,120 Just so don't you like that? 23 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 24 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,359 Speaker 2: You could, man if I had a name like yours. 25 00:01:08,439 --> 00:01:12,640 All I've got is like combinations with a calendar. That's 26 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,680 the only thing I can. 27 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:15,719 Speaker 3: Do that's nowhere near as fun. 28 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: No, exactly. 29 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: So all right, the North Carolina General Assembly back in session. 30 00:01:21,079 --> 00:01:25,280 They resumed yesterday, and right out of the gate, they 31 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,200 introduced House Bill three oh seven. It's called Arena's Law, 32 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:34,400 named after the twenty three year old Ukrainian refugee Arena Zarutska. 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,879 Speaker 1: That was murdered on the Charlotte light rail car a 34 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,439 month ago. 35 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,239 Speaker 2: Yesterday, and you had written a piece over at Long 36 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,319 Leave Politics about what you wanted to see in the law. 37 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,200 So I guess, first off, did it check enough of 38 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:50,280 the boxes that you were hoping it would. 39 00:01:51,959 --> 00:01:55,159 Speaker 3: It's a fantastic start, and I'm grateful that the General 40 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,879 Assembly is moving quickly on this. You know, the Senate 41 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,959 actually passed their version of it yesterday on their first 42 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,359 day back in session. I mean, it does a lot 43 00:02:03,359 --> 00:02:05,640 of good things. You know, it ends cash list bail 44 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:09,479 for violent offenses. It's kind of amazing to me that 45 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:12,280 that wasn't already the case, but glad we're fixing it now. 46 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: How did that even get in there? How did that? 47 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,000 Do you even know? 48 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:18,159 Speaker 2: How that became law? Was that part of the Republican 49 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,039 General Assembly list of bills that they passed and I 50 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:22,759 just missed it. 51 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: I don't know how that became part of the law. 52 00:02:27,159 --> 00:02:31,120 I mean my guess is that, you know, magistrates under 53 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:33,840 current law have a lot of latitude on what to do, 54 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,319 and you know, as far as I can tell from 55 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,000 existing law that it's kind of up to the superior 56 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,319 court judge in a particular area to set those rules. 57 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,000 So what the General Assembly is doing here is kind 58 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:47,840 of taking it up to the state level and setting 59 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:52,400 state statewide guidelines on that, which I think is clearly needed. 60 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So what else? What else do you 61 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:55,800 like about it? 62 00:02:56,719 --> 00:02:59,439 Speaker 3: Yeah? A bunch of other stuff. You know, magistrates are 63 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:01,879 now going to be directed to take criminal history and 64 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,520 mental illness into account when deciding on pre trial release. 65 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,719 I mean, this is obviously big. You know, the gentleman 66 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:15,039 who was who's accused of murdering Arena Zaruska, was arrested, 67 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:18,080 you know, months before on a misuse of nine to 68 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,080 one to one charge. You know, that's a relatively minor, 69 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:23,800 low level offense. You know, you wouldn't expect to have 70 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,919 a really high level of bond just for that. But 71 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:30,319 if you look at the whole picture here, I mean 72 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:33,639 this person his own mother was begging for him to 73 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,479 be taken off the streets, and so this is you know, 74 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,319 this law is going to require magistrates to take stuff 75 00:03:40,039 --> 00:03:43,680 like that into consideration when setting pre trial release. I mean, 76 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,120 those are the big ones. I think it's a great start. 77 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:49,080 There's a couple areas where I think it could go 78 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:52,520 even farther. The House is going to take it up. 79 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,919 Maybe they'll add a couple more and more things in there, 80 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,199 but you know, overall, I think it's a great start. 81 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are I think you mentioned I've got your 82 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,840 piece here at Long Leave Politics. You said you wanted 83 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,879 to go further, particularly for people with multiple violent priors, 84 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:10,439 and I guess part of this is and I was 85 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:13,199 talking to ap Dylan from the North State Journal yesterday, 86 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,879 and I guess at some point, though, unless you take 87 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,680 all of these decisions out of the hands of magistrates 88 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,600 and judges because you don't trust them, there it's going 89 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,040 to be difficult to sort of, you know, ferret out this, 90 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,920 for lack of a better term, soft on crime ideology. 91 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,319 Speaker 1: And I think that's that's the challenge. 92 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:40,519 Speaker 3: No, it is the challenge, and you know, there was 93 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,639 in the nineties a huge push towards you know, mandatory 94 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,040 sentencing laws, and there were three strike laws and since then, 95 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,839 you know, over the decades, those have been slowly eroded. 96 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:55,079 I do think we need to start pushing the pendulum 97 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,639 back in the other direction, you know, especially around people 98 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,959 who have been convicted of multiple crimes. I don't think 99 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:08,120 Arena's Law as currently proposed, does enough to really take 100 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,560 a stand that you know, at some point you just 101 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,800 got to be off the street, right. 102 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: You also talk about the and I thought this is 103 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,079 long overdue as well, the additional prosecutors for the District 104 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,240 Attorney's office and a couple of it's like ten of them. 105 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,360 I believe it's ten das or assistant das, and I 106 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:36,399 think five legal assistants. So that's long overdue. Although I 107 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:38,680 heard it last night Charlotte City Council meeting. They were like, well, 108 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,639 then you need to add some public defenders too. What 109 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:42,360 do you think about that. 110 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: I'm not as concerned about the public defenders, but what 111 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:49,399 I do think should also happen is we need some 112 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:52,040 more judges. I've been talking with some folks who are saying, 113 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,600 you know, you can have all the adas in the world, 114 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:57,199 but if you can't get your case in front of 115 00:05:57,199 --> 00:06:00,600 a judge, then that becomes a bottleneck, and you know, 116 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,439 cases start to get stale, and you start to go 117 00:06:03,519 --> 00:06:07,279 towards more plea agreements, which you know, we want some 118 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:09,879 of these more serious cases to go before a judge 119 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,079 as quick as possible, so I think we should look 120 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,000 at more superior court judges. 121 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:17,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got a piece of long leave politics about 122 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:20,160 this very thing. Does Charlotte have enough judges? I was 123 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,959 not aware. I remember when the courthouse was approved. I 124 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,319 remember when they built it. I remember when it opened 125 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:29,759 with the big art display of the face the head 126 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,759 on the moving hanging pieces of metal and stuff, and 127 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:36,720 then it broke very quickly. But I never knew that 128 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,839 this thing was built in O seven and it had 129 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,000 an entire floor for expansion and that has never to 130 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,399 this day been expanded into This is. 131 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: Like a whole floor for courtrooms. I was not aware 132 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:49,360 of this. 133 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't either, you know. Thankfully one of my 134 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,519 readers alerted me for this, and sure enough, if you 135 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,079 go to the Mecklimber County Courthouse website and look at 136 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:01,639 the floor map goes right from six to eight. You know, 137 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,839 there's no seven on the map because it's completely empty. 138 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,399 It's intended to house additional courtrooms, but there's no judges 139 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:11,519 for it, so they just haven't done anything with it yet. 140 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: So it's a judge issue. They just don't have enough 141 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:14,519 of the judges, all right. 142 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:16,399 Speaker 2: So the politics, and you mentioned some of this in 143 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:20,000 your piece too, The politics of this is that if 144 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,160 you're going to add more judges, that means you're going 145 00:07:22,199 --> 00:07:25,720 to add more Democrat judges. Because they're elected from the 146 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:29,319 local population. The local Democrat party controls the bar, as 147 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:31,839 they do in virtually every city and around the country. 148 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,199 So you're just going to add more Democrat judges. Is 149 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:38,759 that really a wise thing to do for Republicans? 150 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,639 Speaker 3: I think it is. I think, you know, there's not 151 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,920 really a great way to get around that. Would I 152 00:07:44,959 --> 00:07:48,560 prefer to have a Republican judge in there, Yes, but 153 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:52,240 I would rather have a judge than no judge. And 154 00:07:52,519 --> 00:07:55,040 I think that the tide is turning. You know, Democrats 155 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,399 are starting to get more serious about the crime issue. 156 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,399 I think Thomas Mills just had it yesterday. He's a 157 00:08:02,439 --> 00:08:06,319 Democratic operative who runs a newsletter and he said it's 158 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,240 time for Democrats to get stronger on crime. Yeah, I'm 159 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,959 hearing good things from Governor Josh Stein. He wants to 160 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:15,399 get tougher on crime. So I think we gotta take 161 00:08:15,439 --> 00:08:17,560 the risk and get more judges in there, no matter 162 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:18,439 what their party is. 163 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 164 00:08:19,879 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: Yes, I welcome the democrats new found respect for funding 165 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,040 of law enforcement after uh, you know, five years or 166 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:31,000 so of rejecting that idea. Now, I did find this interesting. 167 00:08:31,079 --> 00:08:33,919 Nick Craig, who is uh he's the host of the 168 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,320 Carolina Journal Radio Hour here on WBT five to six am. 169 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:43,600 He's down in Wilmington, and he cited a he pulled. 170 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:46,159 I was not able to watch this yesterday, the debate 171 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,720 in the Senate on Arena's law. But there was an 172 00:08:49,759 --> 00:08:54,519 amendment run by Mohammed Majab I believe is his name, 173 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 and he's a senator from Mecklimbur County. 174 00:08:58,279 --> 00:08:59,879 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you're aware of this. 175 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: He wanted to run an amendment that would ban the 176 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,759 use of a deceased crime victim's name, image, or likeness 177 00:09:10,159 --> 00:09:12,240 in political advertisements. 178 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: Have you heard that? 179 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: I had not heard that. That's kind of insane to me. 180 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,080 That's gonna go nowhere, so I'm not gonna worry too 181 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:22,759 much about it. 182 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:25,879 Speaker 2: Oh, you are correct, it did go absolutely nowhere. But 183 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:28,000 why on earth? Whatever do you think could be the 184 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:32,559 motivation for why a Democrat senator from Mecklenburg might not 185 00:09:32,799 --> 00:09:35,720 want to be able to see or to have his 186 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:40,399 opponents use this kind of imagery in the upcoming campaign. 187 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,559 Like there are few things I have seen legislatively that 188 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,480 are as blatant as this, but this one, like this 189 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:50,159 is like a chef's kiss takes the cake moment here, 190 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,039 It's just obvious in its intent. He is so Democrats, 191 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,440 I think are very afraid of the way this is 192 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,159 going to be used against them, and I think think 193 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:02,960 that's why they're now sounding a different tune on the 194 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,919 crime issue, which again I'm fine, anything else on this 195 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,039 we didn't cover for you. 196 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,919 Speaker 3: No, I think that about covered it. I mean, the 197 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,519 big other thing that I really would love to see 198 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,879 in Arena's law is more benchmarks around how quickly cases 199 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,799 go from charge to trial. I think, you know, if 200 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,519 we add more adas, if we hopefully add more judges, 201 00:10:27,759 --> 00:10:30,240 then I think we can have more clear accountability and 202 00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:33,279 more guidelines. You know, we can't let these cases go 203 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:36,720 to three four years before trial because witnesses tend to 204 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:40,039 disappear and then charges get dropped, and we can't let 205 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:40,600 that happen. 206 00:10:40,799 --> 00:10:42,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're exactly right. 207 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 2: The longer the cases go, the less likely you get 208 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,440 a condiction out of it. 209 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:48,159 Speaker 1: So Andrew Dunn always good to have you. I appreciate 210 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,279 your time in Yeah, thank you. 211 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,279 Speaker 2: All right, that's Andrew Dunn. You can catch his work 212 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:55,679 over at long Leaf Politics. That's long leafpol dot com. 213 00:10:56,159 --> 00:10:58,759 And you can read him when he appears in the 214 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,200 Charlotte Observer on the editor pages as a contributing columnist. 215 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,159 All Right, you hear me talk a lot about incentives, right, Well, 216 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:08,720 let's talk about incentive trips, the kind that companies offer 217 00:11:08,759 --> 00:11:12,000 employees to fire them up and reward their teams. If 218 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:14,159 you own a business or you work somewhere that offers 219 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,200 these incentive trips, first off, good for you. But also 220 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,799 there is a custom app that's a game changer for 221 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,759 these trips. It's called Incentive trip Kit. Private group messaging, 222 00:11:23,919 --> 00:11:28,159 shared photos, your itinerary, travel details, all built into a single, 223 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:31,480 easy to use app. There's even a traveler locator. So 224 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,440 Carl from Accounting doesn't get left behind. The best part 225 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,360 about Incentive trip Kit. It's totally private, no email captures, 226 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,039 no sign ups, no cringe ads. It's simple, clean and secure, 227 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,120 and when the trip is over, incentive trip Kit turns 228 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:49,080 those highlights into a professional storytelling video. 229 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: So think about it. 230 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,879 Speaker 2: When you launch next year's incentive trip campaign, that video 231 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,559 becomes your greatest motivator. Talk about a return on investment. Right, 232 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,039 You got to check out incentive trip Kit for your business. 233 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,639 Visit incentive trip kit dot com because great trips deserve 234 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:09,000 even better returns. One of the one of the nuggets 235 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:13,879 or nuggets if you're from the Midwest, that from the 236 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,200 Andrew Dunn's peace over at Long Leave politics. There was 237 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,519 a breakdown in the number of judges per population back 238 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,720 in two thousand and six, so almost twenty years ago. 239 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:28,279 In Mecklinberg County, there were eight hundred thousand residents. And 240 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,159 those are not the inmates at the county lockup. As 241 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:35,120 Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden likes to call them 242 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:40,039 instead of inmates, he calls them residents, but actual residents 243 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,399 you know of Mecklinberg County eight hundred thousand, twenty years 244 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:48,480 ago and there were seven Superior court judges, so that 245 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:50,519 works out to be a little bit more than one 246 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,080 judge per hundred thousand. Now we have one point two 247 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,559 million people, a fifty percent increase in our population, and 248 00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:04,759 we have eight superior court judges, so now we are 249 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,399 under under one per hundred thousand, so we've lost ground. 250 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:13,879 We have a lower judge staffing level per one hundred 251 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,960 thousand population. And I agree with Andrew, I think it 252 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,919 does matter. I think that does have an impact. It 253 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,200 bogs down the system, he writes. When there's no credible 254 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,000 threat of a trial, plea negotiations fall apart, defendants don't 255 00:13:27,039 --> 00:13:30,559 take deals, and the most serious charges often get watered 256 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,720 down or quietly dismissed, which, by the way, they never 257 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,399 send out. The DA's office never gives you the press 258 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,039 release on that. They never give you the press releases 259 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:46,919 on when they drop charges. And I know because I watch. 260 00:13:47,919 --> 00:13:49,799 I keep an eye out for the press releases from 261 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:51,480 the DA's office, and they'll let us know when they 262 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,559 get a conviction or even an acquittal. I went over 263 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,399 some of this last week. But they never tell us 264 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:59,919 when they drop charges unless it's a very high profile case. 265 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: I mentioned this also with Andrew. 266 00:14:06,799 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: This is a hang on a second, I mentioned his 267 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,759 name and I want yeah, oh sorry, I think I'd 268 00:14:12,799 --> 00:14:14,360 reversed his first and last name. 269 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,399 Speaker 1: Senator Mujaba Mohammad. 270 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: He is a Charlotte Democrat, so his first name is 271 00:14:20,799 --> 00:14:24,919 Mujaba and his last name is Mohammed. Senator Mohammad And 272 00:14:25,559 --> 00:14:29,720 according to Nick Craig, he introduced an amendment to House 273 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:33,519 Bill three oh seven yesterday, otherwise known as Arena's Law, 274 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,840 and the title of it is use of a deceased 275 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:43,919 crime victim's name, image, or likeness in political advertisements. And 276 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,759 it would create a prohibition on the use of a 277 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:53,639 deceased crime victim's name, image, or likeness in political advertising. 278 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,639 Crime victims shall be treated with dignity and respect. It 279 00:14:57,679 --> 00:15:00,200 is further declared to be the public safety policy of 280 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:05,519 the state. So they don't want any of the images 281 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:11,879 of Zarutzka's murder to be used in political ads against Democrats. 282 00:15:12,519 --> 00:15:17,279 They are acutely aware of the problem that they have 283 00:15:17,679 --> 00:15:23,000 on criminal justice as a topic. Voters do not trust 284 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,759 Democrats at the local level and at the state level, 285 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,279 and at the national level they pull terribly. Democrats do 286 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,039 among the general public and among voters pull terribly on 287 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,879 the criminal justice issue. And the fellow that used to 288 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:45,519 run the recruitment and gave campaign support for Republican candidates 289 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:48,519 for the State House, Stephen Wiley was his name. I 290 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:51,679 think he has since moved on to another gig, but 291 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:54,840 he did this for years. We've interviewed him on the 292 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:59,000 show a few times over those years. And the Black 293 00:15:59,039 --> 00:16:02,679 Lives Matter riot, the summer of fiery but mostly peaceful 294 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,679 looting and rioting, that stuff did so much damage to 295 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:13,200 Democrats politically. They were signing on to just the most 296 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:19,679 insane radical platforms and pledges and stuff. At the height 297 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:22,399 of all this, they just got totally swept up in it. 298 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:26,960 Talk about social contagions, right, they were so swept up 299 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,639 in it they thought, this is our moment defund the police. 300 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: They're just basically modern day slave patrols. And they were 301 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:34,200 all in. 302 00:16:35,879 --> 00:16:40,159 Speaker 2: And cities burned, people got hurt, people got killed, businesses 303 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:41,240 got looted. 304 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:41,679 Speaker 3: And. 305 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,759 Speaker 2: They paid the price as they should have. Republicans used 306 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,159 that issue against them very effectively. And so that's what 307 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:56,519 Senator Muhammad was trying is he tried, he tried to 308 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:01,960 preempt but it went absolutely nowhere, which it's amazing to me, Like, dude, 309 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,079 you're in the minority in the state Senate. Why would 310 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,480 you even run a. 311 00:17:06,519 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: Bill like that? 312 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: Is the juice worth the squeeze for that? The best 313 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:16,640 spin you can get from that story is that you're 314 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,559 trying to protect the victim's family. That's the best spin 315 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,039 you can get. And the worst is what I'm doing 316 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,799 right now, is the fact that you're trying to insulate 317 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,440 yourself from the soft on crime policies, and so you 318 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:33,200 just want to basically engage in a censorship of your 319 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,759 political opponents so it doesn't harm your electoral prospects. 320 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,319 Speaker 1: It's just a terrible look for you. 321 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: Game on Week one starts now, and every touchdown brings 322 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,799 you closer to a payout. 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Got a message, a 351 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,039 commun que from up in the Raleigh area, I'll call it. 352 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:31,240 I think Senator Mohammad's amendment was more of an effort 353 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,880 to minimize any any Willie Horton ads or the Willy 354 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:43,200 Hortoning of Anita Earls and Roy Cooper drawing direct lines 355 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:50,799 to the Racial Equity Justice Task Force whatever it was 356 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:52,000 called the Trek. 357 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: Yes, I think you. 358 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:59,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not mean to intimate that the effort 359 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:06,519 to ban any images of crime victims in political advertising, 360 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:15,200 this ridiculous anti free speech amendment that Senator Muhammad attempted 361 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,200 to run. I did not mean to intimate that it 362 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,319 was only for his benefit. It was obviously for all Democrats, 363 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,240 And yeah, I think it definitely would have helped if 364 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:25,920 it had passed. 365 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:30,319 Speaker 1: It would have helped you prohibit the kind of. 366 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: Although it would have been litigated and they would have lost, 367 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,559 because you can't stop somebody from making an ad on 368 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:44,079 YouTube that uses images of Arena Zerutzka's attack against Roy Cooper, 369 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,720 my good friend Ray and Anita Earls, who is the 370 00:20:47,799 --> 00:20:49,960 Supreme Court judge running for reelection, who, by the way, 371 00:20:50,039 --> 00:20:53,920 just did a series of fundraisers in Los Angeles and 372 00:20:54,000 --> 00:21:01,720 San Francisco because nothing screams North Carolina values like San Francisco. 373 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty amazing. 374 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: Democrat party chair was posting this stuff to you know, 375 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:13,039 make sure you donate, buy your tickets and all of 376 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:16,559 this fundraiser in San Francisco and another one in Los 377 00:21:16,599 --> 00:21:21,559 Angeles for Anita Earls. That's who we want to remain 378 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:23,839 on the Supreme Court of North Carolina. 379 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:24,319 Speaker 1: To be sure. 380 00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: Now, this builds the house built three oh seven Arena's law. 381 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:33,559 It did actually pass out of the Senate yesterday. It'll 382 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:38,720 be taken up today in the North Carolina House. Democrats 383 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:43,359 walked out of the vote. 384 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: And it was pointed out to me. 385 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 2: I saw this also when the so okay, so you know, 386 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,920 when you do an article, you're writing a piece for 387 00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:55,279 the Charlotte Observer, the News and Observer rights same parent company, 388 00:21:56,039 --> 00:22:01,359 and you put a picture at the top of the page, 389 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,680 right that goes with the article and a lot of 390 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,119 times this look media does this all the time. They 391 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,960 don't have an image from the exact event or something, 392 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,720 and so they just take what they call a stock photo. 393 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,519 Speaker 1: It's in their library, you know. 394 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: Usually it'll be you know, like the image of the 395 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,720 State House or the seal of North Carolina from the 396 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:25,640 wall or whatever. They'll they'll they'll take just some stock photo. 397 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,480 And the stock photo that they used for their piece 398 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:35,440 about the Democrats walking out of this vote yesterday, it 399 00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:40,519 was it was a bunch of inmates dressed in the 400 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:45,480 county orange jumpsuits walking down a hallway in a jail. 401 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,680 And I get it because it's about you know, criminal 402 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:55,359 justice bill and I don't know who made that decision. 403 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,640 But here's the problem is that the headline says Democrats 404 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:04,400 walk out of vote, and they're showing you this long 405 00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:08,359 line of people that are in jail in their jumpsuits, 406 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,920 in the orange jumpsuits, walking down a hallway, and it 407 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,240 gives this impression that they're all Democrats, which is actually 408 00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:19,759 it's actually probably kind of true. I kid, I kid 409 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:23,839 the Democrats. But here's the problem. When you share that 410 00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:29,960 story on social media, the algorithms, the social media platforms, 411 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,119 they grab the photo that's attached to the article, and 412 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,559 so now this story and the headline is getting blasted 413 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:40,200 all over the place with the headline that Democrats are 414 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,720 walking out and all you see these inmates walking. 415 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,079 Speaker 1: Huh. 416 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,279 Speaker 2: I don't know why that makes me laugh so much, 417 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:51,359 but it does. I laughed at it when I first 418 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,240 saw it. It's just funny, Okay. It takes very little 419 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,359 to amuse me sometimes. So here's the story from Avi Badjpaie. 420 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,720 He is at the News and Observer, the McClatchy paper. 421 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,759 A Republican drafted crime bill introduced in response to the 422 00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:09,519 fatal stabbing on Charlotte's light rail last month appeared to 423 00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:15,319 have bipartisan support yesterday until an amendment prompted Democrats to 424 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,720 walk out. What was the amendment, Well, Senate Leader Phil 425 00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:23,920 Berger introduced an amendment that would direct the North Carolina 426 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,559 Department of Adult Correction to implement alternative methods of execution 427 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,519 used in other states. If North Carolina's only legally allowed 428 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,039 method on the books right now, which is lethal injection, 429 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,480 if that's ruled by courts to be unconstitutional or was 430 00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:44,519 otherwise unable to be administered. So again, for people who 431 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:46,880 may not be aware of this because you've recently, within 432 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,279 the last twenty years, moved to North Carolina. We do 433 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,039 not execute people in this state any longer. It's still 434 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:54,880 on the books, but we haven't done it since two 435 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,519 thousand and six. There was a whole bunch of litigation 436 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:02,000 and they said, you can't use the lethal injection because 437 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,720 it's cruel and unusual punishment because people suffer as they're 438 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:09,400 getting the drugs put in them to kill them whatever. 439 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: And so there have been no executions. 440 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 2: So what Phil Berger is saying, well, if we can't 441 00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:21,400 use our method, then this amendment to the law would 442 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,559 allow any other method in any other state that has 443 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,640 been ruled constitutional to be allowable here. And what does 444 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:38,160 that mean electric chair and firing squad And so Democrats 445 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:44,039 walked out, which doesn't Actually that doesn't actually change the 446 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,680 vote because Republicans were still going to vote in favor 447 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,759 of this and pass Arena's law. So it passed anyway. 448 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,720 But you simply walked out. And so now you played 449 00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:58,480 the role of coward. I understand if you want to 450 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,319 make the argument that you are again the death penalty, 451 00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:04,200 and you are so against the death penalty that is 452 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,920 the law in North Carolina, that you're so against it 453 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,839 that you will vote against Arena's law. See but that 454 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,200 would require courage, which you lack. So you did not 455 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,119 actually stand up and vote for your principle that you 456 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,240 oppose the death penalty. Rather, you walked out to avoid 457 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,759 weighing in on the matter altogether, because you didn't want 458 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:31,000 to go on the record as opposing Arena's law because 459 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:32,519 you don't want that to be used against you in 460 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:33,119 your campaign. 461 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,799 Speaker 1: That's the politics of what happened. 462 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 4: So when I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, 463 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,440 and before he died, my mom and my dad took 464 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,640 care of him as he got worse. Forty years ago, 465 00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:46,880 there were no treatments and not much support for caregivers 466 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,440 and family. But things are different today because of the 467 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,680 work of so many people, including the Alzheimer's Association of 468 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,279 Western Carolina. It's a great organization with awesome people with 469 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,240 huge hearts. I've been a supporter for twenty five years. 470 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,559 This caused me a lot to me. I participate in 471 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,480 the annual Walk to End Alzheimer's and I'm leading a 472 00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:08,640 Charlotte team again this year and it's called once Again 473 00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:11,160 Pete's Pack. You can sign up and you can join 474 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,960 the team and walk with us. It's on October eighteenth, 475 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,079 that truest field. Sign up at alz dot org slash 476 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,519 walk and then you can search for my team name 477 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,079 Pete's Pack. There's also a link at thepetepod dot com. 478 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,799 There's also a link in the description of this podcast. Also, 479 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,519 I'll be am seeing the Gastonia Walk on October eleventh, 480 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:32,359 and so you can make a team and join that 481 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,720 one too, or make a donation and help me hit 482 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,000 my goal of five thousand dollars. If you do, I 483 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:39,440 really appreciate it. There are a bunch of other walks 484 00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:42,160 all over the Carolinas. You can go to alz dot 485 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,240 org slash walk for all the dates and locations. We're 486 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,119 closer than ever to stopping Alzheimer's. Can you help us 487 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,480 get there? Will you walk with me? For a different future, 488 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,319 for families, for more time for treatments. This is why 489 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:54,839 we walk. 490 00:27:55,799 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: So going over the staff summary the Legislative Now Division 491 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,319 of the General Assembly, they do this for all of 492 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,480 these bills. They do in a summary of what the 493 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,079 bill would do, and a House Bill three zero seven, 494 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,119 called Arena's Law. It does a number of things for starters. 495 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,119 Before setting conditions of pre trial release, a judicial official, 496 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,640 a magistrate, or a judge must consider the factors provided 497 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,200 in state law, which include the nature of circumstances of 498 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:31,079 the offense, the defendant's family ties, financial resources, and mental condition, 499 00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:36,359 and the defendant's record of convictions. So this law would 500 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,039 make some changes to that. First, a new definition of 501 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,240 a violent offense. They add in a bunch of other 502 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:50,240 types of offenses to give heightened scrutiny for pre trial 503 00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:54,599 release for defendants charged with these or with a significant 504 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,559 criminal history. If a defendant is charged with a violent 505 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:03,000 offense and court records indicate that a defendant has been 506 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,559 involuntarily committed within the prior three years or charged with 507 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,039 any offense, and the judicial official has reasonable grounds to 508 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:14,839 believe the defendant is a danger to themselves or others, 509 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,400 the judicial official shall enter and order including all of 510 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,119 the following. You've got to require the defendant to get 511 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,960 an initial exam, Require the arresting officer to transport that 512 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,720 defendant too a hospital emergency room for the exam, Require 513 00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:37,640 the examiner to petition for involuntary commitment, or provide written 514 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,759 notice to the court that there are no grounds to 515 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,799 file a petition for involuntary commitment. So people are going 516 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,000 to have to sign their names to stuff now to 517 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:51,480 say no, this guy wasn't a threat at all. Also, 518 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:54,680 if a defendant discharged with any violent offense, there would 519 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,119 be a rebuttable presumption that no condition of release would 520 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,839 reasonably assure the appearance of the defendant and the safety 521 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:07,200 of the community. You follow that, if they're charged with 522 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,359 a violent offense, there would be a rebuttable presumption that 523 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:17,079 no condition of release would reasonably assure the appearance of 524 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:19,759 the defendant. In other words, if this guy committed a 525 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,559 violent defense, he's probably not going to show up to court. 526 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,799 It can be rebutted, but that is a reasonable presumption. 527 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,880 For a first offense, a judicial official could determine to 528 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,839 release a defendant on a secured bond or house arrests 529 00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:41,319 with electronic monitoring. For a second violent offense, the judicial 530 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,640 official could only release a defendant on house arrest with 531 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,519 electronic monitoring if available. So no more just letting them 532 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:51,440 walk out without monitoring. 533 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:52,759 Speaker 1: No, if they're not. 534 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,079 Speaker 2: Going to be held, they're going to be held at 535 00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:58,799 their home. With a monitoring device. Convicted of three or 536 00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:03,759 more offenses within the prior ten years, a judicial official 537 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,920 may only release the defendant of the under the conditions 538 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:12,640 of a secured bond or with house arrests with electronic monitoring. Finally, 539 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,160 the section would delete the condition of releasing a defendant 540 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,680 on a written promise to appear, so that's the cashless 541 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:23,759 bail process, so that goes away. Under this section, new 542 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:27,480 aggravating factor is added to the list, which is if 543 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:32,559 the if an offense is committed while in public transportation systems, 544 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,920 so if you're on the bus, you're on the train, 545 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,440 you do something illegal, you commit a violent act. That 546 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:43,279 is an aggravating factor, which then increases the sentencing protocols. 547 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,720 And also rules are to be created to address conflicts 548 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:54,160 of interest among magistrates. In addition to the chief district 549 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:58,200 judge of the district in which that magistrate is appointed, 550 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,240 the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court can also suspend 551 00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:07,359 a magistrate. So now there is another mechanism to get 552 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,680 some of these magistrates out of their posts when they're 553 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,319 making really terrible decisions. All right, that'll do it for 554 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,039 this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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