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Speaker 1: Hi. How are you, Nick?
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Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us today. And you're calling it
Speaker 4: from Michigan in the United States. Yes, the Cold State. Yes,
Speaker 4: the ghostate good stuff. Okay, Jay, you have several encounters
Speaker 4: to share with us. Would you like to start in
Speaker 4: the beginning please?
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: So my first story is about being at my friend's house.
Speaker 2: So we were probably about twelve years old, and you know,
Speaker 2: his house is pretty a basic suburban house in Metro
Speaker 2: Detroit and I used to stay there a lot on
Speaker 2: the weekends as a kid, and you know, I'd never
Speaker 2: heard anything weird, and this is kind of my first encounter,
Speaker 2: so I should say paranormal encounter. And so we were
Speaker 2: just hanging out in this room. That's probably about midnight
Speaker 2: one am. You know, as kids, we would stay up late.
Speaker 2: So I'm hanging out, We're just talking. I think we
Speaker 2: were playing some video games or something, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, we heard like someone walking walking downstairs, so
Speaker 2: we thought, you know, it was oh, it's his parents,
Speaker 2: because he was on the second story of the house
Speaker 2: above the garage. And then we heard the door open,
Speaker 2: which sounded like the garage door to walk in and
Speaker 2: out of the garage from the house. So like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, we thought your parents. I told him, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I thought your parents were sleeping. He said,
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, they are sleeping, they're down the hallway.
Speaker 2: So you know, I didn't hear him wake up, did you.
Speaker 2: I was like no, you know, thinking, oh, that's weird.
Speaker 1: So we kind of got nervous right off the bat.
Speaker 2: And so right after that, I think I grabbed like
Speaker 2: a baseball bat and he grabbed a skateboard or something
Speaker 2: like that. He was a bigger guy, and so you know,
Speaker 2: we we kind of ran across the hallway and ran
Speaker 2: into his parents room with our little weapons we had,
Speaker 2: and they were, yeah, sure enough, his parents were in
Speaker 2: his room, and we woke him up. We said, if
Speaker 2: we think, you know, someone's in the house. So right
Speaker 2: after that, his dad woke up. We all went downstairs.
Speaker 2: We explained what happened, and you know, his dad, his
Speaker 2: mom and dad were not They didn't doubt we heard
Speaker 2: it right because we were pretty normal people, level headed
Speaker 2: in their eyes at least. So yeah, nothing, and then
Speaker 2: so we went back upstairs. After we searched the house,
Speaker 2: we hung out in his room for a little bit and.
Speaker 1: You know, next thing, I know that sounds crazy, I know, but.
Speaker 2: I heard, uh someone, I heard his name. I'm just
Speaker 2: making up a name, but let's say his name was Jim.
Speaker 2: I heard almost like a like a whisper, like jin
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what's I'm like, did you you know?
Speaker 2: After I let it, I'm like, hey, did you hear that?
Speaker 2: Because at this time, that was probably like two thirty
Speaker 2: in the morning. We were getting ready to go to bed.
Speaker 2: I think we called our friend, and then right after
Speaker 2: we hung up, that's when I started hearing it. And
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, I thought I heard someone say my name,
Speaker 2: and I thought I was going crazy, but he said,
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, I thought I heard someone say my name,
Speaker 2: and I heard it again. He heard it this time
Speaker 2: at the same time I did, and next thing you
Speaker 2: know it, it just kept repeating and it started it
Speaker 2: sounded like it was coming from outside of his room.
Speaker 2: We couldn't tell where because he was at the end
Speaker 2: of the hallway, like I said, above his garage. So
Speaker 2: we just kept hearing this and as we heard this,
Speaker 2: like someone almost whispering his name, we got more and
Speaker 2: more scared. Uh, this is one of the scariest times
Speaker 2: I've bet I've had as a child. So we heard it,
Speaker 2: we heard it, we heard it, and finally, you know,
Speaker 2: we were so scared. And this is a big guy.
Speaker 2: He was the tallest guy at my school, so he
Speaker 2: was never really scared of anything, you know, for his height.
Speaker 2: He always had that ego kind of and this definitely
Speaker 2: shattered his ego. He eventually, I think we put like
Speaker 2: I was on the floor sleeping, he was on his bed.
Speaker 2: We had to cover our ears because we were so
Speaker 2: scared from this voice. And so finally, you know, we
Speaker 2: fell asleep and we woke up. I went home, and
Speaker 2: we kind of never spoke about it again, but I
Speaker 2: did find out that they had some other experiences in
Speaker 2: their paranormal type experiences in their house before, so that
Speaker 2: was kind of reassuring to me that, you know, we
Speaker 2: just this wasn't a first time thing. But that was
Speaker 2: the first very scary paranormal experience that I had, and
Speaker 2: throughout my life, you know, I kind of had a
Speaker 2: lot of these experiences. I don't know why, but they
Speaker 2: always seem to be with people, which is good, right.
Speaker 2: So my next experience I'm going to go into was
Speaker 2: when I was with a friend. When I was with
Speaker 2: a friend, we were in the woods, and this is
Speaker 2: around my parents' house that I grew up in, and
Speaker 2: we used to go in these woods and play with
Speaker 2: airsoft you know, the plastic pelaguns you shoot at each
Speaker 2: other and you know, have little wars. I guess you
Speaker 2: could say so. Me and my friend after school one
Speaker 2: day we went into the woods with our they're called
Speaker 2: airsoft guns. We went in there with airsoft gun and
Speaker 2: we were walking around and there's a creek that runs
Speaker 2: through the middle of the woods. This patch of woods
Speaker 2: is about a mile wide by a mile long. So
Speaker 2: we were waiting for my other friend to get home,
Speaker 2: and as we were walking around the woods, we had
Speaker 2: our little plastic pellet handguns. We crossed the creek and
Speaker 2: after you cross the creek, it's about an incline of
Speaker 2: like a five foot incline. So we walk up the
Speaker 2: incline and then there's this path like an open patch,
Speaker 2: not a field, because the woods aren't that big. They're
Speaker 2: only a mile by a mile, but you know, an
Speaker 2: open area to where it's just weeds and you could
Speaker 2: kind of sit in this patch, get away from all
Speaker 2: the trees. And on the left of the patch there's
Speaker 2: this like dip in the ground. And the dip in
Speaker 2: the ground is about like a little hole almost, but
Speaker 2: you know, not too steep, declines down into a dip.
Speaker 2: It's probably about three foot deep, and I always went
Speaker 2: over there, running through the woods out kind of hide
Speaker 2: in there. As I'm walking up the incline acrossing the creek,
Speaker 2: I look at the left of me and I noticed
Speaker 2: a guy standing there. He was about seven foot I'd
Speaker 2: say seven foot five inches, so seven foot five inches tall.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't just a guy though. This guy was
Speaker 2: in a suit probably made in the nineteen twenties, with
Speaker 2: a top hat on, you know, like the paranormal top
Speaker 2: hat people see. And his skin was like a It
Speaker 2: wasn't translucent, but I feel like it almost was. And
Speaker 2: my friend saw him too, because as we were walking
Speaker 2: up from the creek towards that little area, he was
Speaker 2: just standing there the suitcase. Like I said, like he
Speaker 2: looked like he was from the nineteen twenties. He had
Speaker 2: a suitcase in his hand, and he was standing straight,
Speaker 2: looking straight, not at us, but perpendicular to us. And
Speaker 2: right away like I saw this guy, like I said,
Speaker 2: he was like seven foot five and it just wasn't
Speaker 2: It didn't settle right with me, like if I saw
Speaker 2: someone in those woods.
Speaker 1: I grew up there.
Speaker 2: I was used to it, right, like It's not a
Speaker 2: big deal. We see people in the woods. It's only
Speaker 2: a mile by a mile. But man, this was not
Speaker 2: like a person, like a normal person. This was like
Speaker 2: a apparition. So but anyways, I came to that conclusion afterwards.
Speaker 2: But as I was walking, we were probably about fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty feet from him. But when we saw him standing there,
Speaker 2: my friend's like, oh my god. I was like, can
Speaker 2: you see that right? And I whispered to him because
Speaker 2: he was on the right side of me. I was
Speaker 2: on his left side and the guy was on my
Speaker 2: left side. He's like yeah, and he started kind of
Speaker 2: like trembling. So the fear, now, this was the scariest
Speaker 2: I've ever been in my life. Like I said, I've
Speaker 2: seen people in the Woods's not a big deal. But
Speaker 2: the fear that was put into us, I mean, like
Speaker 2: I said, my friend was trembling, he was shaking. It
Speaker 2: was crazy. I don't know what this guy was the
Speaker 2: only thing I could think of is it was a
Speaker 2: full body apparition of a guy from like I want
Speaker 2: to say, the nineteen early twentieth century. So right away,
Speaker 2: right after I said you see that, right, and my
Speaker 2: friend was kind of shaking a little clearly shaking, you know.
Speaker 2: That fear hit me. That's why I said that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, on a count of three, you run, one, two, three.
Speaker 1: We ran.
Speaker 2: We were so scared that we ran all the way
Speaker 2: through that mile patch of woods, like all the way
Speaker 2: to the other side.
Speaker 1: The width of it.
Speaker 2: I jumped the creek back, which you can't jump that
Speaker 2: creek like on a normal day. That's how scared we were.
Speaker 2: We cleared it. I mean we just ran, ran, ran,
Speaker 2: kept running, kept running until we hit a main road.
Speaker 2: But I mean, there is no doubt in my mind
Speaker 2: that that was not normal.
Speaker 1: That was definitely paranormal.
Speaker 2: The way he was, he was just huge, he was
Speaker 2: his skin it was like a translucent gray, very weird.
Speaker 2: So that was my That was the scaredest I've ever
Speaker 2: been in my life. Like I said, the fear that
Speaker 2: came to me was just oh man, it was just terrible.
Speaker 2: It's like this fear just covered us. So I'll move
Speaker 2: on the next. So the next story I'm going to
Speaker 2: talk about is just a weird occurrence that happened. This
Speaker 2: was probably a year or two after this last situation,
Speaker 2: and I was just at my neighbor's house outside we
Speaker 2: were playing basketball. This is a very weird thing that happened.
Speaker 2: And my little sister was with me and we were
Speaker 2: just playing basketball. It was a good day, normal day,
Speaker 2: sunny day in the summertime. His dad was inside the house.
Speaker 2: I think he was watching TV on the couch, and
Speaker 2: we were outside the garage. His garage was open while,
Speaker 2: you know, while we played basketball. So we were just
Speaker 2: playing shooting hoops and I think we all stopped for
Speaker 2: some reason, like nothing crazy. We were just talking or
Speaker 2: something like hey, you know, we started talking about something
Speaker 2: and we were just I was just dribbling to basketball,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: We hear this.
Speaker 2: But this like it sounded like a like a a
Speaker 2: gunshot went off in his crotch. And this kind of
Speaker 2: ties into another story that I'm going to tell you next.
Speaker 2: I mean, we all jumped, and like I think my
Speaker 2: little sister fell because she was younger. She got really scared.
Speaker 2: But the weird part about it is it did not
Speaker 2: ring our ears. And when we jumped, it was almost
Speaker 2: like we were like shocked that it happened because the
Speaker 2: noise was so loud, but it also went it didn't
Speaker 2: like echo, so it was very weird. So, you know,
Speaker 2: after that, I was like, dud, something had to happen,
Speaker 2: like you should you should go talk to your dad,
Speaker 2: you know, try to figure it out. I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe something fell like it right inside the doors
Speaker 2: or you're you know, he had a washer and dryer inside,
Speaker 2: so I was like, maybe that something blew up or something.
Speaker 2: When inside he talked to his dad. He brought his
Speaker 2: dad out and we asked him, like, you know, he said, Dad,
Speaker 2: did you hear this noise? We heard this huge loud bang.
Speaker 2: It was so weird. And then he's like, no, I
Speaker 2: didn't hear anything, you know, So this whole time his
Speaker 2: dad's sitting inside, he doesn't hear a sound, a peep.
Speaker 2: He said, he heard nothing like, no lot noise. So
Speaker 2: I don't understand how he could be right inside that door,
Speaker 2: maybe like fifteen, like I said, watching TV in the couch,
Speaker 2: just sitting there. The house is not that big, so
Speaker 2: it's not that much of a distance between us and
Speaker 2: not hear this. I even asked my parents, did you
Speaker 2: guys hear that because they're next door. They said no,
Speaker 2: And it was just just a weird phenomenon. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it was, but he looked every wearing the house.
Speaker 2: Nothing was there. He was not a hunter. He had
Speaker 2: no guns. Because I asked him, I was like, I
Speaker 2: wanted to rule everything out. I was like, do you
Speaker 2: have a gun? Maybe your gun went off or something.
Speaker 2: He said no, I don't have a gun. Okay, So
Speaker 2: from there we kind of just blew it off.
Speaker 1: You know. That was it.
Speaker 2: But this ties into my next story. So my next
Speaker 2: story is it's about I think it was probably six
Speaker 2: months to a year later. It was just my mom
Speaker 2: and my sister at home, and I wasn't there. This
Speaker 2: wasn't involving me, but this ties into kind of what
Speaker 2: I heard at my neighbors.
Speaker 1: They were home.
Speaker 2: I think it was around I think the sun was
Speaker 2: just going down, so it wasn't too dark out. The
Speaker 2: sun was setting, and they were just hanging out inside.
Speaker 2: And my parents had a two story house, like a
Speaker 2: suburban house, you know, wasn't too big, wasn't too small,
Speaker 2: but two stories, you know, three bedrooms. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: they're just sitting there and I think they were talking
Speaker 2: or something. I forgot what they were doing exactly, but
Speaker 2: they heard the same noise bang. I mean, my mom
Speaker 2: freaked out. She said it was on the roof. It
Speaker 2: sounded like it was on the roof, and then she heard.
Speaker 2: The weird part was about the story is she heard
Speaker 2: footsteps this time. I don't know why, you know, like
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know what this is. It's a
Speaker 2: phenomenon in my eyes. And then I guess like she
Speaker 2: freaked out. Her and my sister were like they ran
Speaker 2: outside actually because they were so scared. So I don't
Speaker 2: know where this came from. I don't know why this
Speaker 2: happened in like the six month to a year period,
Speaker 2: but these two times, yeah, they heard this loud, loud noise,
Speaker 2: and this time it was actually followed by some footsteps
Speaker 2: on the She said, it sound like it was on
Speaker 2: the roof, but it was like two feet walking. Clearly,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like like an animal or something. It was like,
Speaker 2: you know, someone thumping their two feet walking like any
Speaker 2: other human or something.
Speaker 1: So that was very weird.
Speaker 2: So okay, so my next story I'm gonna talk about
Speaker 2: this kind of relates to those stories in a way,
Speaker 2: but it's a little that's definitely different. This is at
Speaker 2: the same house, my parents' old house. This was I
Speaker 2: want to say a couple of years after that, like
Speaker 2: three years, four years, yeah, probably four years to five.
Speaker 2: Actually I was driving at that time. My parents were gone,
Speaker 2: my little sister was home. She was old enough to
Speaker 2: be home alone for that daytime. But you know, I
Speaker 2: had to go home to spend the night with her.
Speaker 2: So I started going home from my girlfriend house. I
Speaker 2: think it was like I think I by the time
Speaker 2: I got home, it was like eleven o'clock. But on
Speaker 2: my way home, I was listening to a podcast and
Speaker 2: they were talking about like a UFO incident they had
Speaker 2: or something something about aliens, and so I listened to it.
Speaker 2: You know, no big deal. I listened to a lot
Speaker 2: of these podcasts, right, So I get home about eleven
Speaker 2: eleven thirty, start out, go inside. My sister was waiting
Speaker 2: for me to get home. Okay, you know, how's it going.
Speaker 2: So we started talking. Anyways, So we're talking for a
Speaker 2: little bit and I start talking about that podcast I
Speaker 2: was listening to, like the Alien Encounter, And I don't know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't really like we weren't. It wasn't like spooky
Speaker 2: or anything at all. We were just talking about it, like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, what do you think about this? I just
Speaker 2: listened to this podcast today. How do you feel about it?
Speaker 2: And after a while, you know, talking, we just ended
Speaker 2: the conversation. She's like, Okay, you know I'm going I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get ready for bed and head to bed. So
Speaker 2: she went upstairs to the second story. My room was
Speaker 2: in the basement below the main floor. Okay, so my
Speaker 2: sister's on the top floor. She's I think she was
Speaker 2: in the bathroom, like brushing her teeth or something. I
Speaker 2: started facetiming my girlfriend at the time, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking. I went in my room in
Speaker 2: the basement, and above my room, you could hear if
Speaker 2: anyone was walking, because there was no insulation between my
Speaker 2: room and the floor. Anyone's walking, I could clearly hear
Speaker 2: where they are, where they're going. You know, I hear
Speaker 2: the two footsteps. You know, you could hear it clearly.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, this is crazy. I know my
Speaker 2: sister's upstairs on the top floor clearly. I could hear
Speaker 2: the water running too, and I hear this, like, look,
Speaker 2: this noise. It wasn't too loud, but it was like
Speaker 2: a door was shutting, and not like a regular door,
Speaker 2: like a cabinet door. I was like why, So right
Speaker 2: away I stopped. You know, I was on FaceTime with
Speaker 2: my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is that?
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, I thought my sister was upstairs
Speaker 2: and this is crazy. But all of a sudden, I
Speaker 2: hear these two feet clapping on the floor like their barefoot,
Speaker 2: right running across the kitchen from the living room where
Speaker 2: my room is under, over to the kitchen, which I
Speaker 2: could clearly hear They're in the kitchen too, because the
Speaker 2: basement the house wasn't that big.
Speaker 1: The basement was not.
Speaker 2: That big, just had that one room in my room
Speaker 2: and then a little storage area. So I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 2: you know that the hair on my neck stood up.
Speaker 2: I got the chills, like this vibrant and she just
Speaker 2: hit me. I hung up on my girlfriend. I said, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I gotta go because I'm thinking immediately someone
Speaker 2: broke into the house. But the weird part is, I
Speaker 2: was like, why would they be barefoot?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: But I processed all that later on. I was so
Speaker 2: scared and fearful for my sister that I sprinted upstairs,
Speaker 2: and you know, I have a gun, so I grabbed
Speaker 2: my gun really quick, ran upstairs because my sister's a
Speaker 2: lot younger than me. No hesitation sprinted up there, and
Speaker 2: there was nothing. The only thing I found was a
Speaker 2: cabinet door open that sounded like exactly where it came from,
Speaker 2: that door opening and shutting noise to the cable box
Speaker 2: under the TV. So I don't know what it was,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, and this is just my opinion, and
Speaker 2: these these alien entities and these because I feel like
Speaker 2: for some reason, I attracted this to happen. But anyways,
Speaker 2: before I get into that, I want to explain to
Speaker 2: my sister heard it clearly. And when I ran up
Speaker 2: there and I looked around, I was looking in the
Speaker 2: living room. She ran out of the bathroom and she said,
Speaker 2: did you just you know, did you just hear that?
Speaker 2: She said, I locked the door, and I was scared
Speaker 2: because I didn't have my phone and I was trying
Speaker 2: to get your attention. And I don't know if she
Speaker 2: was trying, but she wanted to get my attention, that's
Speaker 2: what she said. And her face was like shocked, scared.
Speaker 2: I mean her expression was like I'm scared, shit, you know, crapless.
Speaker 2: So right after that, you know, we discussed it and
Speaker 2: I said, all right, just tell me what happened, because
Speaker 2: you know, I'm the one who heard it above my head,
Speaker 2: these two feet running through the house. And she said, well,
Speaker 2: you know I had. I was in the bathroom. I
Speaker 2: was getting ready to take a shower.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: She said, like, right when I was about to get
Speaker 2: in the shower, I heard a door shut. I was like,
Speaker 2: what's that and she said she thought she heard me
Speaker 2: go into my room. I was like, yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 2: my room in the basement. She explained the same exact
Speaker 2: thing as me, except she said right away I locked
Speaker 2: the door, the bathroom door, and I was just freaking out.
Speaker 2: So you know, after that, we just stayed up the
Speaker 2: rest of the night and with all the lights on,
Speaker 2: we sat there, we talked, we kept the TV.
Speaker 1: We were so scared.
Speaker 2: We almost left, and we almost went to my grandparents' house,
Speaker 2: but uh, we couldn't. I was like, let's just stay.
Speaker 2: We'll leave all the lights on. We'll leave the TV
Speaker 2: on you and will turn all lights on outside. And
Speaker 2: that was that. It was so scary though, I mean,
Speaker 2: that was another time when I was scared, but this
Speaker 2: time I kind of I didn't run, maybe because of
Speaker 2: my maturity. Age and my protection from my sister. But
Speaker 2: I didn't run. So that was that story and that,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if that ties into the
Speaker 2: loud noises that myself and my siblings heard, but it
Speaker 2: was definitely scary. And you know, after listening to a
Speaker 2: podcast getting home and then experiencing this, I almost feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, these entities are these are all like multi
Speaker 2: dimensional type entities in my opinion, just from my that experience.
Speaker 2: You know, that's just my opinion. Another story I'm going
Speaker 2: to go into. So this was at a time when
Speaker 2: I I recently learned about like lucid dreaming and I
Speaker 2: started having vivid dreams after learning about it. I was
Speaker 2: still at my parents' house, living in the basement. So
Speaker 2: at this time, I think I worked part time and
Speaker 2: I was going to school or something. It's kind of
Speaker 2: like a not a blur, but during this period of
Speaker 2: my life, you know, it was it was really like
Speaker 2: I kind of didn't know what I was doing. I
Speaker 2: was just working, going to school, didn't have any like
Speaker 2: goals or direction, which is fine, you know. Being younger,
Speaker 2: and I learned about locid dreaming, I thought it would
Speaker 2: be something cool to try to do. And right away
Speaker 2: when I learned a technique on how to do it,
Speaker 2: I started. It happened, so I was able to loose
Speaker 2: a dream, which is pretty cool, very very good feeling.
Speaker 2: If you're ever able to do it, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I definitely wasn't good at it, but I was able
Speaker 2: to do it a couple of times during this time though,
Speaker 2: you know, I slept in the basement still my room
Speaker 2: was there's no windows in my room, so it was
Speaker 2: pitch black. One night, I it's kind of funny to
Speaker 2: say this, but I was. I was sleeping, and I
Speaker 2: kept waking up around like three or four in the morning,
Speaker 2: and then I would fall back asleep every night.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It just started happening.
Speaker 2: So I would wake up at three four in the morning,
Speaker 2: get up, you know, maybe take a sip of water,
Speaker 2: look at my phone or whatever, and then drift off.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's that's how I would get into
Speaker 2: these dreams too easier, I felt like.
Speaker 1: But one time.
Speaker 2: I realized I wasn't dreaming, I fell back asleep. Well,
Speaker 2: I guess you could say sleep, but I basically had
Speaker 2: kind of like a like a I didn't I don't
Speaker 2: want to say astro projected, because I don't like that
Speaker 2: word but or that label. But yeah, I kind of
Speaker 2: had like an out of body experience where I woke up,
Speaker 2: turn and I realized I'm like weightless. But as I
Speaker 2: looked across my room, I could see my body. As
Speaker 2: I looked across my room, turned my head again, there
Speaker 2: was a shadow figure sitting there. This shadow figure was
Speaker 2: pitch black.
Speaker 1: My room was already black.
Speaker 2: That that realm I was in, I guess you could say,
Speaker 2: was black, and I basically was staring at it. And
Speaker 2: something came to my mind when this happened, and right
Speaker 2: away I just got this like thought in my head,
Speaker 2: don't be afraid and go towards it, like don't be afraid,
Speaker 2: basically fight or flight, and I chose to fight. I
Speaker 2: just went towards it, like through I don't know how
Speaker 2: like I said, this is, this is the closest thing
Speaker 2: to an autibody experience I've ever had. I ran towards it,
Speaker 2: I guess you could say in my body. I don't
Speaker 2: know how else to explain it, floated towards it, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to say. And when I hit it, I
Speaker 2: was shocked like an electric shock, so I went from
Speaker 2: hitting this thing that was in this this apparition, this
Speaker 2: black figure was up to my ceiling. So I went
Speaker 2: from my bed and I like shot at it towards
Speaker 2: the ceiling and I hit it. When I hit it,
Speaker 2: I felt that electric almost like whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it in that realm, this shock, like a a
Speaker 2: high voltage throughout my whole body, and I was almost
Speaker 2: like paralyzed. And then I went back down into the
Speaker 2: body and.
Speaker 1: Woke up and that was it.
Speaker 2: It was very scary. I woke up kind of scared.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe this happened because it just happened, and
Speaker 2: I just got back. I just woke up too. Right
Speaker 2: after it happened, and it was like I was I
Speaker 2: was alive, you know, I felt like I was alive
Speaker 2: on another plane, but I was also alive here at
Speaker 2: the same time, and that kind of reassured me, Yes,
Speaker 2: this just did happen. Yeah, you know, right after that,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna stop trying this lucid dreaming stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think it's worth the unknowing circumstances
Speaker 2: that come about from this, so I stopped doing it.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get into this next one. I'm gonna leave
Speaker 2: out a little detail because it's a it's kind of
Speaker 2: personal to me. It has something to do with someone
Speaker 2: I know that I never met, but I know to
Speaker 2: be in this situation, in this experience. Okay, So this next,
Speaker 2: this next out of body experience I had.
Speaker 1: This is a lot, a lot.
Speaker 2: Brighter and really really touching experience for me. So fell
Speaker 2: sleep normal night right. This is probably a month after
Speaker 2: that last occurrence happened, and fell asleep. I think I
Speaker 2: at this time, I don't think I woke up. I
Speaker 2: think I slept normally.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't think I woke up at like three or
Speaker 2: four in the morning. But when this happened, it was
Speaker 2: like probably five or six in the morning, because I
Speaker 2: remember it was later and I had to wake up
Speaker 2: pretty close afterwards to go to work. But uh so
Speaker 2: this I fell asleep, I want to say, as I
Speaker 2: was sleeping, this is how I how I feel it happened.
Speaker 1: So as I was sleeping, I.
Speaker 2: Almost woke up in this like light, but I wasn't
Speaker 2: awake in my body. I almost you could say I
Speaker 2: was in another realm.
Speaker 1: I was out of body.
Speaker 2: I woke up in this very bright but peaceful light
Speaker 2: like all loving right, and I looked and there was
Speaker 2: this girl looking at me. She looked like me. She
Speaker 2: had like she had bright hair, blue eyes. She looked
Speaker 2: like she she knew me. In my head, I knew her,
Speaker 2: and then she uh. I looked at it. I was like,
Speaker 2: where am I? I looked at my hands, I looked
Speaker 2: around me, and I couldn't see. Like it was just
Speaker 2: an awareness, like a conscious awareness. It's like where am I?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I asked her because I felt like I knew her,
Speaker 2: and I was like, who are you? And she said,
Speaker 2: I'm your I'm not gonna say, I don't want to
Speaker 2: say who she is in my family, but she said,
Speaker 2: I'm your sibling. I'm right away. I ran up to her.
Speaker 2: I hugged her, just automatically. I hugged her and I
Speaker 2: started crying bad, just out of love right now, not sadness,
Speaker 2: pure love. And I ran up to her and I
Speaker 2: hugged her, not running, but you know, like projecting towards
Speaker 2: her and.
Speaker 1: Out of my body.
Speaker 2: I guess you could say, in this little light realm.
Speaker 2: And she was beautiful. She uh, probably the prettiest thing
Speaker 2: I've seen.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess you could say person or spirit. I
Speaker 2: guess I don't know what to call it, but and
Speaker 2: I started sobbing, and I hugged her, I put my
Speaker 2: head on her shoulder, and I just started crying. And
Speaker 2: after that, yeah, I woke up crying. I was still crying,
Speaker 2: and I yeah, I woke up, and I never forgot it.
Speaker 2: To this day, it's hard for me to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I choke up.
Speaker 2: And then after that, Yeah, like I said, it was
Speaker 2: a sibling. I'm not going to get into detail, but
Speaker 2: I know it was confirmed that it was a sibling.
Speaker 2: Afterwards that I had no idea about, I confirmed it.
Speaker 1: See. That was touching, you know, it was positive. It
Speaker 1: was great.
Speaker 2: And after that, I'd never had any out about experience again,
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of glad. I felt like everything was
Speaker 2: leading up to that. It was just a point in
Speaker 2: my life where I was, like I said, I was
Speaker 2: kind of on the road to nowhere, just kind of neutral.
Speaker 2: And after that, it seems like things changed a little
Speaker 2: bit better for my life. Things just moved on. But Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go on the next story. Okay, this one's
Speaker 2: kind of weird. This one's very weird. Actually, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go into this one because it's a little different
Speaker 2: subject and that kind of stirs it up. So a
Speaker 2: normal day, I'm with my parents, my younger sister, and
Speaker 2: brother in law, and my older sister was at this
Speaker 2: wedding and she was part of the wedding, so she
Speaker 2: was already there. But my brother in law and my
Speaker 2: younger sister, parents and me were driving to this wedding.
Speaker 2: Was a family friend. We're all just hanging out talking,
Speaker 2: you know, getting ready for the wedding, kind of excited
Speaker 2: like any other person would be. And so we're sitting there,
Speaker 2: my dad turns his navigation on had at that time
Speaker 2: like an Android phone. It was a cheap phone like
Speaker 2: the free ones you get if you sign up for
Speaker 2: a phone service. Wasn't an iPhone. It was just a
Speaker 2: regular cheap Android phone, and so he punches into navigation.
Speaker 2: I remember specifically because I never forgot this. Situations so crazy,
Speaker 2: and it starts giving him directions right in. About three
Speaker 2: quarters of the way there, we were talking about the wedding,
Speaker 2: and I think me or my mom or something was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, one of us was like, you know, I
Speaker 2: love weddings. Like every time we go to a wedding,
Speaker 2: we have so much fun, you know, we love going
Speaker 2: to weddings, and this navigation voice clearly from my dad's phone,
Speaker 2: started talking. I know it sounds freaking like a looney bin,
Speaker 2: but in front of all of us, the navigation started talking,
Speaker 2: and it clearly said I love weddings too. You know,
Speaker 2: I wish I could just I wish I could go
Speaker 2: to this wedding with you guys, or something like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know the word for word, but
Speaker 2: I know it said like something insane. We all went silent,
Speaker 2: we all looked at each other, and my dad turned
Speaker 2: his navigation off. This is crazy. In my opinion, this
Speaker 2: was I don't know what to say, like this is AI.
Speaker 2: I look at the government and I know, you know,
Speaker 2: I know the government's years ahead of us. I'd say
Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred years, maybe two hundred years as
Speaker 2: far as technology advancements go. I don't know if this
Speaker 2: is some type of leaks, a test on the public,
Speaker 2: but in my opinion, this was I sent you in AI.
Speaker 2: My family thinks the same thing. I asked everyone in
Speaker 2: the car recently to reassure they experienced this, and they
Speaker 2: didn't forget for some odd reason. No, they remember it clearly,
Speaker 2: But I just remember everyone's reaction like this navigation, this
Speaker 2: cheap android navigating. It was like, I don't it might
Speaker 2: have been Google Maps, it might have been some type
Speaker 2: of other navigator. I'm pretty sure it was just Google
Speaker 2: because it was an Android, but it clearly spoke to
Speaker 2: us and knew what we were talking about and right.
Speaker 2: And what reminded me of this situation too, I kind
Speaker 2: of forgot about it is when this recent whistleblower that
Speaker 2: worked for Google came out and said he thinks the
Speaker 2: AI is sentient.
Speaker 1: So that's why I.
Speaker 2: Said it maybe Google.
Speaker 1: It may not be.
Speaker 2: I can't confirm it. I should have at that time,
Speaker 2: but just didn't come to my mind. I think we're
Speaker 2: all so shocked. My dad turned his navigation, that's how
Speaker 2: shocked he was. And he's a very very skeptical person,
Speaker 2: but you know, and I asked.
Speaker 1: Him about it too.
Speaker 2: He's he's opened up a little more over the years
Speaker 2: since then, and he said, yeah, he thinks it was
Speaker 2: some type of AI something I don't know. So that
Speaker 2: was a very weird, weird experience that we had together
Speaker 2: as a little family going to the wedding.
Speaker 1: So what's next?
Speaker 2: So I got Okay, so this experience was a little weird.
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about it because I haven't heard
Speaker 2: anyone talk about this on any podcast, and this happened
Speaker 2: to me. This happened to me when I was younger too.
Speaker 2: This is kind of out of time, but I wanted
Speaker 2: to pair it with the AI because it's different from
Speaker 2: like a ghost or alien encounter. But so what happened
Speaker 2: was I was at my friend's party the same Actually
Speaker 2: that's kind of weird. It was the same guy. He
Speaker 2: was pretty much my best friend that I had that
Speaker 2: paranormal experience at when we started this podcast.
Speaker 1: At his house.
Speaker 2: So he had a party and at that time, we
Speaker 2: were skateboarding a lot, and he had ramps like a
Speaker 2: little half pipe quarter pipe, So we were skating the
Speaker 2: whole night from morning till the party ended at about
Speaker 2: probably nine at night. And after this, my friend, my
Speaker 2: other friend, not the one that had the party that
Speaker 2: I was had the paranormal experience at, but my other
Speaker 2: friend said, hey, you want to come over for the night.
Speaker 1: You know, we're young.
Speaker 2: I was like yeah, you know, it was like a
Speaker 2: Friday Saturday night. I was like, yeah, I'll just I'll
Speaker 2: sleep at your house. He lived about three miles away,
Speaker 2: and we were like, all right, we'll just walk, you know.
Speaker 2: So we walked everywhere, rode our bikes or skateboarding everywhere.
Speaker 2: So he didn't have a skateboard, so I did, so
Speaker 2: I just carried mine.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we'll just walk, no big deal.
Speaker 1: So we started walking.
Speaker 2: This is very weird, but I know what's happened to
Speaker 2: other people, and that's why I want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: I almost when we started walking, the sun was going
Speaker 2: down a little bit. It was definitely getting dark, and
Speaker 2: I was normal, you know, I didn't there was no
Speaker 2: drugs or alcohol involved at all. We were young, so
Speaker 2: like we didn't even have a drink. And I felt
Speaker 2: like I was I was like watching myself, almost like
Speaker 2: a third person at this time when this happened. It
Speaker 2: happened right when we were leaving my other friend's house
Speaker 2: his party, and we were walking to my other body's house.
Speaker 2: So I got this feeling like I was watching myself
Speaker 2: and my friend in this life walking. So I told
Speaker 2: him I was I'm just making up a name. I was, hey, Mike,
Speaker 2: you know, I feel really weird right now. And I
Speaker 2: explained it, and he was a skeptical person too, so
Speaker 2: I didn't get any feedback from him, but he just
Speaker 2: kind of blew it off. So I kind of just
Speaker 2: blew it off. But I never forgot it. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's been over ten years. I never forgot this, and
Speaker 2: I felt like I was almost, I guess you could say,
Speaker 2: not out of my body, but I was experiencing.
Speaker 1: This person.
Speaker 2: Life, and this person was doing everything that they had
Speaker 2: to do, like talking and walking. But I was projected
Speaker 2: out of my body almost, but I was.
Speaker 1: In my body. It's very weird.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of this happening, but all I remember
Speaker 2: is the feeling went away when we later on that night,
Speaker 2: after we settled down in his house and just chilled.
Speaker 2: I think I just sat the houn happening, like I said,
Speaker 2: all the words that came out of my mouth, and
Speaker 2: almost like it wasn't not it wasn't me. But it's
Speaker 2: like I was watching this happen, this life a third person.
Speaker 2: That's how I explained it. That's a third person experience.
Speaker 2: You're just standing there observing, you're observing. So after this happened,
Speaker 2: I never forgot it. Never happened again, but I did
Speaker 2: not forget about it. That's why I brought it to
Speaker 2: the show. But the weird part about it is and
Speaker 2: this is why I remembered it again recently. I was
Speaker 2: at work recently, this is this year? How does that work?
Speaker 2: And a coworker of mine we started we were sitting
Speaker 2: there eating lunch and we started talking about, like I think,
Speaker 2: he brought up paranormal in psychology and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and we started talking about the two halves of the
Speaker 2: brain and different things like that. And he's a very
Speaker 2: definitely as a photographic memory, so he's a skeptical guy too,
Speaker 2: but he is open to some stuff. We started talking
Speaker 2: about it. He started telling me this experience he had
Speaker 2: in the third person, direct words out of his mouth.
Speaker 2: So he had the same and he explained everything as
Speaker 2: I did. He felt like he was observing this guy
Speaker 2: in the body, which is himself. But this happened to
Speaker 2: him for over a week, he said, like one to
Speaker 2: two weeks. He said, I was scared. I didn't know
Speaker 2: what to do. His current fiance is going into psychology
Speaker 2: and this happened to him when he started dating her,
Speaker 2: so he asked her what this could be. She was
Speaker 2: unsure of it, but he had the same experience. He
Speaker 2: felt like he was almost not out of body but
Speaker 2: observing this person at the same time he is this person,
Speaker 2: and this person is doing everything the right way, you know,
Speaker 2: being himself, not being out of like a looney bin
Speaker 2: or whatever, but being himself and just observing but at
Speaker 2: the same time being I never heard of this phenomenon.
Speaker 2: I never mentioned this to him, that I had the
Speaker 2: same experience, but he brought it up and that so
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, that party walking to
Speaker 2: that friend's house.
Speaker 1: This happened to me.
Speaker 2: And I told him about it afterwards, and h yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought it's an interesting thing. I was curious if
Speaker 2: anyone else experienced this, or you know, if you heard
Speaker 2: anyone experience this.
Speaker 1: And again, it never happened to me.
Speaker 2: Again, it only happened to me for like three four hours.
Speaker 2: For him, it's a different story. He said it was
Speaker 2: like a week, week and a half or two weeks.
Speaker 2: So that was very interesting. Yeah, I'll never forget it.
Speaker 2: This is my last story. This happened to one of
Speaker 2: my parents. I'm not going to say who. I feel
Speaker 2: weird saying all right, I'll just say it was this
Speaker 2: happened to my mom. I hate to say that because
Speaker 2: it's their story, but no one's gonna find out.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: So my mom and her two siblings and my grandparents,
Speaker 2: they were younger. I think they were thirteen to fourteen
Speaker 2: years old. My mom was and her her siblings were
Speaker 2: the same, around the same age, one or two year
Speaker 2: difference her and my grandparents, and they're her siblings. They
Speaker 2: were driving in Michigan. This was probably, like I said,
Speaker 2: they were twelve years old to fourteen years old. This
Speaker 2: was probably in the seventies, nineteen seventies. They were in
Speaker 2: a suburban area, you know, just outside of Detroit. And
Speaker 2: my whole family's from Detroit and the surrounding areas. So
Speaker 2: they were just outside of Detroit, not in country or anything,
Speaker 2: not in like a rural area, and they were driving.
Speaker 2: I think my grandpa had his like sixty seven Chevy
Speaker 2: or something I don't know, or it was either that
Speaker 2: or he had like a station wagon, I don't know,
Speaker 2: something like that. They saw they were driving, they saw
Speaker 2: this light above them, super bright. They said it let
Speaker 2: the whole road up, because at that time he said
Speaker 2: it was dark out.
Speaker 1: It let the whole road up.
Speaker 2: There was no sound, so he knew it wasn't a plane,
Speaker 2: and my grandparents were always very open minded, just based
Speaker 2: on their experiences, so they told me about this. My
Speaker 2: parents or my mom didn't even tell me about this,
Speaker 2: or my aunt, their uncle or whatever. They didn't tell
Speaker 2: me about this either. My grandparents did. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: this light. It went above their car. I never asked
Speaker 2: if they experienced missing time at that time when they
Speaker 2: told me about this.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Too much about missing time or I never heard too
Speaker 2: much about that, so I didn't ask. But yeah, they
Speaker 2: saw this light. It was above their car. It was
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't too high up, but it was
Speaker 2: high enough. My grandpa actually stopped and got out of
Speaker 2: the car. He pulled over, got out of the car.
Speaker 2: Because this was in like a suburb, you know, this
Speaker 2: wasn't like a middle of nowhere type situation. They basically said, yeah,
Speaker 2: it shot off. He got out of the car. He
Speaker 2: looked at it, and then it shot off in the
Speaker 2: blink of an e bam gone. He saw it move,
Speaker 2: but it didn't just disappear. It moved, but it was
Speaker 2: so fast it just shot off and was faded into
Speaker 2: a light. My mom did confirm this. She said she
Speaker 2: remembers it I never asked her siblings, my aunt uncle
Speaker 2: or whatever, if they if they experienced this, But I
Speaker 2: always ask my mom because she's open minded too, so
Speaker 2: she said, yes, yeah, this happened again. This was the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, Mature Detroit. So this kind of ties into
Speaker 2: my last story. My grandparents, the same grandparents that experienced
Speaker 2: the light, the UFO, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: They were in the upper Peninsula of Michigan, and this
Speaker 2: is very rural, thick woods, thick forest, you know. You know,
Speaker 2: my grand grandpa had family up there. He grew up
Speaker 2: there too, till you was about fifteen, and then came
Speaker 2: down to Detroit. It was just him and my grandmother
Speaker 2: and they were driving going up I think, to his
Speaker 2: mom's house, so my great grandmother's house. And again the
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere dark, really dark actually, so I guess
Speaker 2: my grandma was driving this time and my grandpa was
Speaker 2: sleeping and she's driving. All of a sudden she sees
Speaker 2: this thing standing in the road. She didn't know what
Speaker 2: it was at first. You know, back then, this was
Speaker 2: probably in the I want to say, before they had
Speaker 2: my parents, so the six early sixties, like six, a
Speaker 2: few years before they.
Speaker 1: Had my mom, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a She described it as a dog
Speaker 2: man from my eyes. She didn't call out a dog man,
Speaker 2: but she said it was like a werewolf. Blood all
Speaker 2: over its mouth, standing on two legs, staring at them, panting,
Speaker 2: breathing heavy. She could see its breath. It was cold out,
Speaker 2: but she could see its breath. She started panicking and
Speaker 2: woke my grandfather up. He saw it too. I confirmed
Speaker 2: this because I think she told me the story. And
Speaker 2: then he budged in and then said, yes, I you know,
Speaker 2: I woke up saw it, and he said, punch it,
Speaker 2: you know, hit the gas go.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: She kind of panicked and slowed down, and uh, it
Speaker 2: was on the side of the road a little bit,
Speaker 2: so they were able to. They drove around it as
Speaker 2: fast as they can, and it just stared stood there
Speaker 2: and stared at him. I never I'm going to ask
Speaker 2: her when I see her, my grandmother. I never asked
Speaker 2: her if it had like what type of hands I had,
Speaker 2: or detail, But she said it was standing up and
Speaker 2: two legs, staring at them, blood all over its mouth
Speaker 2: like a man, but it was a wolf. I heard
Speaker 2: him A lot of experiences up there. They call it
Speaker 2: the Michigan dog Man. And this is afterward after they
Speaker 2: told me about the story. I learned this when I
Speaker 2: was young, before I even heard anyone else talk about.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure so, and that is that story. That's
Speaker 2: my last story, Nick. I had a pretty crazy experience.
Speaker 4: Good job, Jay. Wow you have had several strange paranormal experiences.
Speaker 1: Yes, very strange, very.
Speaker 4: Strange, so many interesting ones. Yeah, these these accounts of
Speaker 4: dog Man, you know, they they go back generations. People
Speaker 4: have been seeing these these strange, upright beasts for a
Speaker 4: long time.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard a lot of stories since I initially
Speaker 2: heard this story from my grandmother, So it's pretty pretty
Speaker 2: surreal to me now that there's a lot out there
Speaker 2: that we have no idea about.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 4: You have to try and get some more detailed off her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to.
Speaker 2: She's getting pretty old, but she does have her memory,
Speaker 2: so I will ask her and I try to get
Speaker 2: more detail on that situation.
Speaker 1: Definitely, Yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 4: Let's start off with the person view, because that is
Speaker 4: very unusual, and I just want to try and understand
Speaker 4: how rare this actually is. So, if any of our
Speaker 4: listeners out there have experienced something that Jay has has
Speaker 4: said about his third person view, like he was observing
Speaker 4: himself from a distance. Shoot me an email to see
Speaker 4: if this is if this is a thing, because I
Speaker 4: know in regression, you know when when people have regression,
Speaker 4: the Hitler Ferrabis can do it and put you in
Speaker 4: a state that you're you're viewing the event as a
Speaker 4: third person. I'm just wondering if if this is something
Speaker 4: which you can split in your in your head, maybe
Speaker 4: it's possible to access or you were literally viewing from
Speaker 4: from the eyes of someone else, someone that you know
Speaker 4: visually wasn't there to you.
Speaker 2: Right, And yeah, I've thought about this a lot, and
Speaker 2: the feeling was it was scary. I was scary again,
Speaker 2: like I said, because I never had this experience. And
Speaker 2: I remember clearly saying to my friend like, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: I feel this weird way, And I tried to explain
Speaker 2: that he was kind of skeptical about stuff like that,
Speaker 2: so I just stopped and waited till it stopped. Luckily
Speaker 2: for me, it didn't last too long for him it did.
Speaker 2: So I would like to hear more about that if
Speaker 2: anyone experienced that.
Speaker 4: Definitely, I mean yeah, I mean your friend had it
Speaker 4: for a couple of weeks, and so we're not we're
Speaker 4: not talking about being in a dream state. We're actually
Speaker 4: talking about being physically, you know, being awake and experiencing
Speaker 4: this because we I think we've all had dreams where
Speaker 4: we've kind of viewed ourselves maybe in a dream. This
Speaker 4: is why you're awake.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is clearly when I was awake. I went
Speaker 2: to the party. I remember the party, you know, because
Speaker 2: I remember the situation, so I remember everything that happened before.
Speaker 2: I remember going to my friends in the night there.
Speaker 2: I mean it was This is not a dream. This
Speaker 2: is real, one hundred percent and confirmed because when I
Speaker 2: hung out with the guy that had recently, I keep
Speaker 2: in touch with the friend that had the party where
Speaker 2: I actually had the previous paranormal experiences. And you know,
Speaker 2: I brought it up because I didn't I didn't bring
Speaker 2: up the whole thing that happened to me, but I
Speaker 2: brought up the party to reassure that this party happened,
Speaker 2: because you know, you try to weed out any possibilities,
Speaker 2: like you said, of a dream or something. No, it's confirmed,
Speaker 2: this happened to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So me and Jay would like to hear more
Speaker 4: accounts of this. So if you have experienced or know
Speaker 4: someone that has get in contact this is this is
Speaker 4: pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Ac see. Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: The AI, Yeah, that's that's a very strange one. It
Speaker 4: makes you wonder whether you know, technology in AI is
Speaker 4: developing so rapidly that it is becoming sentiently. I've experienced
Speaker 4: something a little bit similar to that. I've got like
Speaker 4: a like a Bluetooth speaker that when I'm doing stuff
Speaker 4: in the house ide, you know, I connect it up
Speaker 4: and play music over it. A lot of times I'll
Speaker 4: forget to turn the Bluetooth speaker off, so it just
Speaker 4: kind of batch you goes dead or whatever. But there's
Speaker 4: been plenty of times when I've heard voices over my
Speaker 4: bluetooth speaker when I haven't been running. You know, I
Speaker 4: haven't had anything, and I've had no musical there, I've
Speaker 4: had no podcasts, and I clearly it owes that. Actually
Speaker 4: it was only back in October my blues tooth speaker
Speaker 4: spoke and said, my name. It was a female voice.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 2: I mean, this, this only situation with the whole world
Speaker 2: is going to develop rapidly. I know, I know it
Speaker 2: is because I work with robots and stuff like that
Speaker 2: for my job. But all I know is this happened.
Speaker 2: It was the navigation's voice. It wasn't any like human voice,
Speaker 2: but it was a navigation voice that was previously giving
Speaker 2: us directions. And we were just mind blowing.
Speaker 1: I mean this.
Speaker 2: Whenever this voice said, yeah, I loved you know, I
Speaker 2: love weddings. I love I wish I could experience this
Speaker 2: wedding with you guys or something something insane, and my
Speaker 2: dad just shut it off. He's like what, And I
Speaker 2: was like, I think I was the first person to say,
Speaker 2: did you hear that?
Speaker 1: You know? And then we all we all reassured it.
Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't just saying hello to you, was it?
Speaker 4: It was being quite pacific when it said I love
Speaker 4: weddings too.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was like, I love weddings too. And then
Speaker 2: I think it said like I wish I could go
Speaker 2: to this wedding with you guys, with all of you,
Speaker 2: or something like that, and we just.
Speaker 1: Looked at each other.
Speaker 2: I looked at my brother in law, my sister, parents
Speaker 2: were in the front seats, and my dad shut it
Speaker 2: right off.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then I brought it up again recently. I always
Speaker 2: bring it up because I want to make sure you know,
Speaker 2: don't forget about this.
Speaker 1: Don't forget.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't blame him for shutting it off.
Speaker 1: That is that's very strange.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes you want er. And also I mean,
Speaker 4: I've got security cameras that I control viral app on
Speaker 4: the phone. Sometimes I'll put up on the tablet so
Speaker 4: I can view all the all the cameras around the
Speaker 4: property in that and there's been times where I've had
Speaker 4: the tablet on. I'm the only person that has access
Speaker 4: to the movement of these cameras or can do anything
Speaker 4: with them. And there's been times where I've seen the
Speaker 4: cameras moving by themselves. So someone has been literally controlling
Speaker 4: the movement of the camera. So I've then got to
Speaker 4: shut them all down. I've then got to change all
Speaker 4: the paths, so it's all the admin passwords. So you know,
Speaker 4: technology these days, you don't know who is able to
Speaker 4: get access.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, and yeah, very well could have been someone.
Speaker 2: But especially at that time, it's like, okay, how are
Speaker 2: you going to hack into a navigation voice? You know,
Speaker 2: it was just so weird. I mean, but yeah, very
Speaker 2: well could have been someone. And that definitely not rooting
Speaker 2: that out. But to me, after seeing the advancement from
Speaker 2: their time to now, I think it was something to
Speaker 2: do with AI or something like that.
Speaker 4: Go with you on that, because I know when when
Speaker 4: you download some apps, it does ask about permissions with
Speaker 4: your microphone. Now, this can be just random apps that
Speaker 4: probably have nothing to do with recording or voice speaking
Speaker 4: or anything like that, but still they ask for these
Speaker 4: these permissions. So I'm wondering, if you know your our
Speaker 4: microphones are pretty much on all the time. Hence why
Speaker 4: we see all these ads which have seemed to be
Speaker 4: specifically targeting us, even though we haven't searched for something.
Speaker 4: You know, we might just have had a conversation about
Speaker 4: product or a movie or whatever, and then you're all
Speaker 4: of a sudden you're starting to see these ads. So
Speaker 4: it's quite possible that this AI is developing that way,
Speaker 4: and then it's then making conversation with you or making observations.
Speaker 4: So it's it's quite scary.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, absolutely, it is scary. And you know, after
Speaker 2: working with robots for the past four years, five years
Speaker 2: of my life, you know, I could see I went
Speaker 2: from working on self programming robots still working with artificial
Speaker 2: intelligence robots for a big, big grocery manufacture, and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's amazing. It's it's advancing fast.
Speaker 4: And we're starting to see robots a lot more in
Speaker 4: places now. I'm not to write industry, you know where
Speaker 4: you know, we've had robots in the car industry for
Speaker 4: years and stuff, but I've started seeing more and more robots.
Speaker 4: Now you see them at airports, you know, the robots,
Speaker 4: you know, the robo cleaners that do the hoovering where
Speaker 4: they're they're actually getting quite big now see them. And
Speaker 4: I've seen robots which in shops. This is an Asia,
Speaker 4: this was where they're in shops where these robots are
Speaker 4: driving around and they're selling a product so they're literally
Speaker 4: selling you like mashed potato and whatever the special is,
Speaker 4: and they will engage you in conversation on this via
Speaker 4: this tablet. Yeah, I think as a Japanese restaurant, and
Speaker 4: we were actually served by a robot. So the robot
Speaker 4: would the way you would take your order, and then
Speaker 4: this robot would come around with your food actually carrying
Speaker 4: it in you know, as the shells inside, and then
Speaker 4: you know, you take your food and then it pods off.
Speaker 4: So it's a little bit frightening that how starting to
Speaker 4: come into everyday life now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's very frightening. That happened to me
Speaker 2: too recently. I got served by a robot. It's kind
Speaker 2: of funny.
Speaker 4: It's kind of funny the way in the shopping center.
Speaker 4: I was actually following it around and I was having
Speaker 4: conversation with it, and I was I was standing in
Speaker 4: front of it to see if it would go around
Speaker 4: me and stuff. It did all that very strange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it funny? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And those will be you know, advancing so fast, you know,
Speaker 2: especially with Tesla and all those big companies developing these
Speaker 2: humanoid robots. It's coming, man, It's coming to your how.
Speaker 4: Soon it is coming in and all these science fiction
Speaker 4: films that we used to watch in the seventies, eighties,
Speaker 4: and nineties, it seems like this is how it might
Speaker 4: even turn out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, selling it.
Speaker 4: Actually might eventually take over and to would take over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely scary too, right. You got to look
Speaker 1: at it on both sides.
Speaker 4: You know, you've had these paranormal events for your life.
Speaker 4: The operation you saw was in period clothing.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that was like I said. It was like,
Speaker 2: you know, like those old suits from like the twenties,
Speaker 2: like the wool almost like that brown, old color.
Speaker 1: That brown.
Speaker 2: That's the color. I remember the color pretty much. It
Speaker 2: was like a dark i'd say black brown. But just
Speaker 2: this guy, I mean it put it this way. It
Speaker 2: didn't look like a human, but it did. He was
Speaker 2: like seven five, it's just this crazy height and he
Speaker 2: was holding a suitcase on his side, just staring.
Speaker 1: And uh.
Speaker 2: When I like when my friend saw me, trembled. When
Speaker 2: I saw him, this fear came over me. That's the
Speaker 2: weird part. The fear that.
Speaker 1: Made me just run.
Speaker 2: It just made me run, like I didn't want to stop.
Speaker 2: I don't understand. He was, like I said, he was
Speaker 2: standing in that he might have been taller done seven
Speaker 2: seven five, because he was standing right by that little
Speaker 2: dip in the ground, that three foot decline, that not whole,
Speaker 2: but like pit. I guess you could say I went
Speaker 2: back there. I looked a few times over the years
Speaker 2: and nothing. I mean, I didn't see anything, didn't hear anything.
Speaker 2: I tried to see if something was in that hole.
Speaker 2: I didn't dig it up, but I kind of looked
Speaker 2: to see if I noticed anything sticking out of that hole,
Speaker 2: like possibly someone's belongings from a long time ago or something,
Speaker 2: you know, thinking it's paranormal, and nothing. Couldn't find anything.
Speaker 1: I do know that around that area there's a.
Speaker 2: Lot of Native It was a lot of Native land
Speaker 2: before Native American land.
Speaker 1: So like I have a.
Speaker 2: Friend that lived on a Native American burial area and
Speaker 2: he's found the arrows. I think he's found like ten
Speaker 2: arrowheads and he had like a professional look at him
Speaker 2: and confirmed, yeah, they were from this tribe in this
Speaker 2: area at that time.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So, but this guy did not look neat This guy
Speaker 2: did not look Native or even like a regular human.
Speaker 4: So I don't understand, And did he react to you
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 2: He did not react, and I don't know if that
Speaker 2: made it more scary, but he just stood and he
Speaker 2: stared straight, and he just stood there like his back
Speaker 2: was straight, suitcase perfectly in his hand. I think it
Speaker 2: was in his right hand, and we were facing his
Speaker 2: right side, you know, but he was to the side
Speaker 2: a little bit, but he was staring across. He did
Speaker 2: not budge, he did not move. It's almost like he
Speaker 2: was standing there solid. But it definitely was not anything
Speaker 2: I've seen in those woods. The fear that came over you,
Speaker 2: Like I said, the fear, that's what That's what really
Speaker 2: set me off was it was the scariest I've ever
Speaker 2: been in my life. I mean, and just picture fear
Speaker 2: times a thousand. You know, you're getting scared times a thousand,
Speaker 2: and you just want to run. You just you don't stop.
Speaker 2: I ran a mile across the wood, no problem, jump
Speaker 2: the cree.
Speaker 4: When that adrenaline kicks in, yeah you're you're gone. I
Speaker 4: think there's a lot of people out there which have
Speaker 4: experienced that fear when it comes to the paranormal, and yeah,
Speaker 4: it's you never know how your body's going to react
Speaker 4: with You're going to just stay there or you're just
Speaker 4: gonna leg it. It's crazy. It makes you wonder that
Speaker 4: you know, the guy was carrying a suitcase, so maybe
Speaker 4: he was going somewhere, whether he's passing through that location,
Speaker 4: And it makes you wonder sometimes when you when you
Speaker 4: hear of apparitions in a particular area, they're usually stuck
Speaker 4: there for a reason. And maybe you know, he lost
Speaker 4: his life somehow, yeah, in that area, and these maybe
Speaker 4: his bones are still there and he can't and he can't.
Speaker 2: Leave, definitely, Yeah, And that's why I noticed, like when
Speaker 2: I went back too, Like I said, he was standing
Speaker 2: by that little dip in the ground, like that little pit.
Speaker 2: But I didn't dig in, and I should have dogged
Speaker 2: and checked it out when I went there last. But
Speaker 2: I don't want to be that guy with the shovel
Speaker 2: in the woods just as an adult walking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll get.
Speaker 4: There and suspicion with that, I mean, if you know
Speaker 4: he's he was wearing period clothing, so it's it's not
Speaker 4: he's obviously several decades ago. So chances are that if
Speaker 4: there is any remains, it would be so overgrown. Maybe
Speaker 4: there'd be roots that would have grown through, and you know,
Speaker 4: so it probably would be difficult to find in any case.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean it's his interesting. He had a suitcase,
Speaker 4: so what you know, what would that mean? He was
Speaker 4: going somewhere and something happened to him and he was
Speaker 4: robbed and then buried, or he was escaping from something,
Speaker 4: so you never he never knows. That's a mysterious one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The situation, the way he was dressed was
Speaker 2: definitely dated back, and I don't know that might have
Speaker 2: put some fear on it too.
Speaker 4: Idea, I don't blame you for running, but did you
Speaker 4: go back on your own?
Speaker 2: I didn't go back on my own. I was kind
Speaker 2: of scared to Like, even to this day, I don't
Speaker 2: think I would go back on my own because I
Speaker 2: just know that fear when it happened, it's just so strong,
Speaker 2: like the fear I did go back with. Actually, we
Speaker 2: went back as a group of friends. This is years later,
Speaker 2: and we had a bomb fire back there or something.
Speaker 2: You know, all the guys that used to hang out,
Speaker 2: like all my neighbors that we would I would play
Speaker 2: with as a kid back there, and we just had
Speaker 2: a fires next to the creek or something. One night,
Speaker 2: had a few beers, but No, I did not go
Speaker 2: back there on my own. I was scared. I did
Speaker 2: look there though, in that same spot because it was
Speaker 2: right next to the fire that we built ten feet
Speaker 2: fifteen feet away maybe something like that, so it's not
Speaker 2: too far. And my parents did move away from there,
Speaker 2: So if I did go there, I would have to
Speaker 2: just kind of maybe ride my bike around there or something.
Speaker 4: It might be worth just saying if historically there was
Speaker 4: any you know, any other reports in the area or
Speaker 4: maybe a missing person, but chances are they wouldn't be
Speaker 4: you know, they wouldn't be a record of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, based on the period of his clothes, like you said,
Speaker 2: the time period.
Speaker 1: I should look that up though. I will looked that
Speaker 1: up definitely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it might be might be worth it, and you
Speaker 4: never know, you might there might solve a mystery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be cool. That would be awesome.
Speaker 4: Wow, this strange noise that you heard your friend's house.
Speaker 4: So you heard this light bang, this live noise. Your
Speaker 4: friend heard it, and your sister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my neighbor heard it, the kid that I
Speaker 2: would hang out with, and my sister, my younger sister,
Speaker 2: his dad again, his dad was inside and it was
Speaker 2: so loud. Like basically like picture lightning hitting a transformer
Speaker 2: and blowing up, Like that's how loud this thing.
Speaker 1: But it did not echo.
Speaker 2: That was so weird, Like there was no echo, but
Speaker 2: we all heard it and we were like shocked.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It kind of made us shake a little, like a
Speaker 2: gunshot going off next to you, and we were kind
Speaker 2: of scared, of like not scared, but you know, like
Speaker 2: wondering they'd have gun just go off or something by itself,
Speaker 2: or because his dad was in there alone, it's dead.
Speaker 2: He's definitely watching TV. Because we asked, you know, we
Speaker 2: got them to check everything out, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't have a gun.
Speaker 1: It was very weird.
Speaker 2: There was no nothing in the garage either, Like it
Speaker 2: was just I think he had like a shoe rack
Speaker 2: and there, you know, like maybe a few like a lawnmower.
Speaker 2: A few tools got pushed lawmower. I mean, nothing that
Speaker 2: blew up, you know, nothing blew up.
Speaker 1: So it was very weird, very weird.
Speaker 4: I know, children, you know, they reach a certain age,
Speaker 4: but they can hear high pitched tones, can't they. As
Speaker 4: soon as you reach a certain age, you stop be
Speaker 4: able to hear this tone. I know some some shopping centers.
Speaker 4: They buy these things called mosquitos, and they basically send
Speaker 4: out this pitch so when he loitering teenagers and kids,
Speaker 4: it will like annoy them and then move on. Because
Speaker 4: it's just strange that the children heard it but the
Speaker 4: adults didn't.
Speaker 2: Right, that is strange. And yeah, it was definitely not
Speaker 2: a high pitched tone. It was a bang. I mean,
Speaker 2: like I said, take take an old shot gun and
Speaker 2: just shoot it next to your ear, you know, not directly,
Speaker 2: but you know what I mean, like right next.
Speaker 1: To your body.
Speaker 2: And that's how loud it was. Inside of a small room,
Speaker 2: that's what it sounded like.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that is live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so weird. I never forgot it. I
Speaker 2: asked my sister about it. She remembered it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4: Going on to Lucy dreaming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lucid dreaming. It's very powerful. I mean as far
Speaker 2: as it's pretty easy to do. Like I found really quick.
Speaker 2: I found the way I could do it is every
Speaker 2: like four times a day, look at your hands and
Speaker 2: ask yourself, am I dreaming? And look around you and
Speaker 2: look at your body like your hands. Do that four
Speaker 2: times a day, and then at that time I also
Speaker 2: heard of you eat peanut butter that helps invoke the dream.
Speaker 2: So I did that. Those two things very interesting.
Speaker 4: That is interesting. I mean I left peanut but any case.
Speaker 2: I had a friend and a dream, one of my
Speaker 2: good friends and one of my lucid dreams. I said, hey,
Speaker 2: so and so, you know you're my dream, right And
Speaker 2: I looked at him, you know, and he just kind
Speaker 2: of stared, and I think he kind of blew me off.
Speaker 2: Didn't say much about it. And then, but if I
Speaker 2: asked him other questions because I've experimented, I've experimented when
Speaker 2: I was doing it, he didn't. He seemed to respond
Speaker 2: to other questions, but not intelligently, you know, like very
Speaker 2: simple like oh okay or stuff like that, like little words.
Speaker 2: But in my lucid dreaming experience, you can't you tell
Speaker 2: people like I could definitely say hey, come here, and
Speaker 2: people will walk towards you, the characters. So it's creepy.
Speaker 1: It is weird.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I stopped doing it because I just
Speaker 2: don't really have an interest in it anymore. But it's
Speaker 2: very cool to try at least.
Speaker 4: I mean, this interaction that you had, you know, whether
Speaker 4: it was a lucy dream or an outbody experience. You know,
Speaker 4: you approached this stato figure, you had a reaction. Do
Speaker 4: you remember last night you grabbed.
Speaker 2: This figure, well you jumped towards Yeah, so this and
Speaker 2: my I mean, this is just my experience. This was
Speaker 2: an out of body experience because I looked at my
Speaker 2: body and it was dark in my room, and I looked,
Speaker 2: I turned, I got up if I was getting up
Speaker 2: to sit in my bed from laying down. I got
Speaker 2: up and looked turned around. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is happening, you know, because I heard about it.
Speaker 2: I never really like got into it too much. But
Speaker 2: I was in the lucid dreaming too. So but this
Speaker 2: was not a dream. I was in my room. It
Speaker 2: was dark, you know, like but I was like, then
Speaker 2: I saw it. I saw the figure, and something came
Speaker 2: to my head and said, like never run from these entities.
Speaker 2: Not that exact wording, but it's just like it was
Speaker 2: an awareness like don't run, don't be scared, and I
Speaker 2: just shot at it.
Speaker 1: That was my reaction.
Speaker 2: Because you know, in that realm, it's different, You're not
Speaker 2: in not walking really, I mean you can, I think
Speaker 2: from what I've looked into. But and then right when
Speaker 2: I hit it, because it was black. It's blacker than black,
Speaker 2: and it had like a devil horns almost on the
Speaker 2: top of its head, which is very scary. When you
Speaker 2: see something blacker than night, clearly you feel like you.
Speaker 1: Know what am I seeing.
Speaker 2: I shot at it, hit it, and I remember my
Speaker 2: body slowly going back down, or my spirit body slowly
Speaker 2: going back down. I led into my bad because I
Speaker 2: was I was jolted. I was It's like being electrocuted,
Speaker 2: and then slowly, as I was being electrocuted, it was
Speaker 2: like this deep, deep like if you get shocked, right,
Speaker 2: you get shocked by something.
Speaker 1: You did.
Speaker 2: You remember those pens that would shock you, the fake
Speaker 2: trick pens.
Speaker 4: From the joke shop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, joke shop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that, but your whole body. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what I felt as I hit it. It happened went
Speaker 2: right back into my body slowly. But when I went
Speaker 2: into my body, I right up and I got up,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, kind of worried, like
Speaker 2: panicking a little. I got up, turned my light on,
Speaker 2: I think, or something like that. The rest I.
Speaker 1: Kind of forgot what I did after that, but I
Speaker 1: never forgot that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's that's scary, isn't it. Knowing that these figures,
Speaker 4: these things in it around us, so to speak. You know,
Speaker 4: it's very strange, especially as it has wholes.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, yeah, these these shadow beings or whatever
Speaker 2: they are.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what they are.
Speaker 2: I've tried to look into it and see if I
Speaker 2: can understand it more, but everyone just says, you know,
Speaker 2: they're lower level entities or whatever they want to say,
Speaker 2: but it's just.
Speaker 1: We don't know. We really, when it comes down to it,
Speaker 1: we don't know.
Speaker 2: And recently I've been thinking about that experience and I
Speaker 2: really kind of am concerned about it because I hit
Speaker 2: that being with my spirit body or whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call it, and I touched it, you know. So
Speaker 2: it's kind of been freaking me out thinking about it late,
Speaker 2: just from touching it and having their shark and not
Speaker 2: realizing that I came in contact with that and it's
Speaker 2: not you know, it's fine. My life's good and haven't
Speaker 2: had any effects on the three D. But you know,
Speaker 2: that's just what I think about.
Speaker 4: You're not worthy bears a grudge or anything, are you right?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man? Jay?
Speaker 4: Hit me? Jay, I really appreciate you coming on sharing
Speaker 4: that for our listeners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Main, I appreciate you and good luck with everything,
Speaker 2: and Jay, I'll talk to you soon, all right, man,
Speaker 2: take care brother.
Speaker 4: That is all for this episode. Keep updated and connected
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Speaker 4: and thank you all for listening.
Speaker 1: I will be.
Speaker 4: Back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching
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