Speaker 1: Remember November mysterious drones operating with impunity over America and worldwide.
Speaker 2: Now, a senior British official confirm to Fox that the
UK has deployed about sixty troops, including counter drone specialists,
to help determine who is behind this and to help
defend the airbases, and it fears its potential coordinated operation.
Speaker 1: The Biden administration plays it down. It's entirely possible that
it could be hobbyists or something else.
Speaker 3: We just got to look into it.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five brings in a new president and a
response to the drones.
Speaker 4: The drones that were flying over New Jersey in large
numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for
research and various other reasons. Many of these drones were
also hobbyists, recreational and private individuals that enjoy flying Jones.
Speaker 1: Is the White House being transparent? And what about next time?
The UAP Disclosure Fund Public Safety Working Group ways in.
Let's get to it everyone. Welcome to the Good Trouble Show.
I'm Matt Ford. The end of twenty twenty four was
marked by seemingly unending reports of drones worldwide that did
not seem to be well, sort of acting or operating
like regular drones. The year prior, these mystery drones were
operating with impunity over Langley Air Force Base in Virginia,
forcing the United States Air Force to move an entire
wing of F twenty two fighters to another location. While
public reports of the mystery drones have virtually disappeared, a
former Pentagon official told The Good Trouble Show off the
record that mysterious drone incursions are continuing to occur over
the United States military bases, albeit at a lower rate
and without anywhere near the operational impact the twenty twenty
three Langley insie had. Today an expert panel joins us
to discuss these incidents, what we can possibly expect in
the near future, and how public safety officials should prepare.
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set up set up the show today as I nearly
knock my mouse off the table at the table here,
today's format will be a little bit different and the thing,
the thing I want to say is that we are
not here today to talk about uh hobbyist drones operated
by individuals or companies or the FAA if they're operating drones,
which I don't think they are. We are talking about
vehicles that are often reported as spheres or owns the
size of an suv, demonstrating behavior that our state of
the art just just does not have have. And we're
also going to talk about the need for better transparency
from the federal government. I mean, not only you know,
for the public, because you know, we all of course
deserve to know what is going on above our skies,
but especially for local and state authorities. This gas lighting
that we've seen, certainly from the previous administration and possibly
from this one as well, in terms of gas lighting
local and state officials, it's it's it's just not cool.
And and then the final thing I want to note
is that this has been going on for a very
very long time. The Pentagon, the folks and the Pentagon
and previous administrations. Hopefully again we'll see a change with
the with the Trump administration, but they always the Pentagon,
the CIA, the intelligence community, they always want you to
think that this is something new, that it's like, oh,
you know, we're gonna figure out what these drones are.
We're going to deploy some sensors and we'll get to
the get to the bottom of it. You saw, you saw,
and you heard that multiple times from it was at
a John Kirby who worked for the Biden administration, a
sort of the Pentagon spokesperson. But it was all all
that same sort of bs that they continue to shovel,
which is they want all of you at home to
think this is something new, they've never seen it before.
They you know, they're there is as confused by it
as you. They're going to get to the bottom of it. Well, folks,
that is just a load of horseshit, quite frankly, Uh,
this has been going on literally for decades. On our
program today we have the former chief of Police Chris
Chris Grooms who him and many other law enforcement officers
or Nebraska in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty had hordes of
these drones flying around. So it's it's definitely just a
line of horse manure that the government is trying to
sell you when they know when they act like this
as some kind of surprise, and we don't know where
it's from, but it's probably FAA drones as you know anyway,
So as many of you know, when I'm not hosting
the Good Trouble Show. I volunteer as the Director of
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Last month, you APDF sponsored a town hall led by
the UAPDF Public Safety Working Group to discuss the drone issue.
And it is my pleasure today to welcome this group
back to the show. So let's see here make sure
we got all the audio on. So below me we
have Sean Grovener who will serve as my co host Forday,
we'll talk about that in a second. Sean is a
forensic consultant who spent twenty five years at the Illinois
State Police. On the top right there your top right,
we have investigator and author Richard Lang who's book, A
First Responder's Guide to UFO Encounters offers a guide for
handling UAP incidents. On the middle right, we are joined
by more friends of the show, Jerry and John Todesco.
They are founders of Nightcrawler Research. They these these two
researchers are just doing amazing work. And we have some
exclusive footage of what kind of some drone stuff u
e P that they that they encountered off the coast
of Long Island. Will show a little bit later in
the show. And uh see, finally, who do we have
we have returning to the show the former chief of
Police of or Nebraska, chief former chief of Nebraska. Well,
I can't talk today. I'm all all time tied. The
former chief of Police of Ord, Nebraska, Chris Chris Groom. So, guys, thanks,
thanks for joining us. How how is everyone excellent? Okay? Great? So,
as I said this, this is a little bit of
a different format. I saw the town hall, uh and said,
you know what, we got to get all these experts
on the town hall that you guys appeared on the
UAPDF channel on YouTube. Was just fantastic and Sean, Now,
of course I'd met everyone else, but I had never
come across you before, and I thought, this guy's incredible
at hosting these things. You are asking just incredible questions.
So I thought to myself, you know what, this is
a Sunday. I'm gonna kind of relax a bit. And
since we have have you on and we know that
you're you're a great host from watching the watching the
town hall last time, I thought, hey, let's have let's
co host this thing. So I'm going to hand it
over to you and then I'll sort of pop in
here and there with questions, hopefully some questions from the audience.
And again, folks in the audience, if you if you
have any questions, we encourage you to put them in
the chat. Please put them in all caps so so
we don't miss him there. And before we actually kick
this off and I hand this off to you, Sean,
what better way to set up today's discus then a
clip from our friend Ross Coltart on News Nation, Let's watch.
Speaker 5: Not consistent with normal drone technology and the government's very
quick attempt to try and ludicrously explain away the drones
by saying they were part of some government research project
has only added fuel to the fire of conspiracy theories
because a lot of people are still seeing these drones,
a lot of these drones are still showing themselves over
government facilities, particularly military bases, and all it's doing. You know,
there's a lot said about conspiracy theories that they may
not be true, but often the attempt to dismiss those
conspiracy theories by either ignoring them, playing them down, or
disinforming about them, plays up to those conspiracy theories. And
that's certainly what the government's doing at the moment. The
absolutely ludicrous, laughable government response made by a White House
press commentator who said that the drone's flap that's occurred
for the last few months was simply a government research
project and also other reasons unspecified reasons is ridiculous and
all it's done, I think is fuel public speculation of
conspiracies like Project Blue Beam. Frankly, I don't think Project
Blue Beam is true. I don't see any evidence at all,
and I talk to a lot of people in NASA
that NASA could even possibly be involved in such a
conspiracy but I do think that it's not outside the
realm of possibility. I suppose that there are some forces
in the dark State, the deep state, that might take
it upon themselves to essentially do something with technology that
they've been concealing from the American public, but I don't
see any evidence of that at the moment.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, there you go, our good friend Ross Koltart,
who does amazing work on News Nation and is just
fantastic show on Reality Check. So Sean let me, I'm
going to have this off to you. And yeah, and again,
folks of watching at home, please post your questions in
all caps and everyone, welcome to the show.
Speaker 6: All right, thanks Matt on the show. This was a
great team to work with. We're going to have a
little bit of additional information for you today, which is
why we are joining with the same team. So today
we're going to discuss some important things. The importance of
coordinating a response between first responders, technical specialists, investigators in
support of resolving unidentified threats to public infrastructure and private property.
Developing standard procedures, training and equipment is essential for effective
public safety response to unidentified threat incidents.
Speaker 7: What is you the public?
Speaker 6: What can you do to assist public safety when observing
unknown drones, and of course we need to focus on
the importance of evidence. So as we watch today, I'm
going to ask you to really consider how you would
handle an incident where you went outside and saw one
of the in the sky. So at this time, I
would like to introduce Chris Grooms, who is a former
chief of ORDPD, Nebraska. At the time of these unknown
drone incursions in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, he was
a deputy with the Valley County Sheriff's Office. Chris, Thank
you for your service. We appreciate you being with us
again today a quick rundown of your specific encounters that
you had with these unidentified drones, your response and what
the outcome was.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, so if you can give us.
Speaker 6: A breakdown of how you became incursions and what did
you actually experience.
Speaker 1: Did give us.
Speaker 7: A view of what you saw that day?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, we obviously had seen that there was some
drone activity that was going on in Colorado. We didn't
think much of it at the time, but then they
started showing up around here around the Valley County area,
and Valley County is about a five hundred and sixty
eight square mile county, but we have less population than
we do you know, cattle and horses. We have a
population of about forty five hundred people. So there's not
a lot of activity out here that would involve airplanes, helicopters,
even drones. We don't have a drone, you know, hobbyist
group out here doing stuff. It's just very rare and
random that we have activity like that around here. And
in twenty nineteen of December twenty nineteen, they started these
things started moving into our area and when they showed up,
we started getting nine to one one calls to the
sheriff's office, to the local PD, and in that time
it lasted about fourteen to seventeen days, a little bit
longer if you look at other counties incidents that happened
as well, because it wasn't just isolated to us. It
was numerous counties in both directions east, north, southwest, even
up to one hundred miles from us. They were seeing
the same stuff as we were at the same time
on the same nights, so it was very coordinated, not hobbyists,
not government activity. We looked into all that stuff, but
as far as what I saw at the individual level.
The first night would have been around the twenty fourth
of December of twenty nineteen. My sheriff, who actually received
the call, called me and asked me to come support
him so we could figure out what this thing was
and what it was doing. Well, I headed south down
Highway eleven to go link up with him near Davis
Creek Reservoir, which is where this thing was close to.
It was about a mile west of the Davis Creek Reservoir.
So as I was heading towards the sheriff, I noticed
some reddish green lights in the sky, you know, and
they were i'd say six to eight feet apart, but
it was a reddish green light and they were kind
of blinking, and it was just out there, hovering all
by itself in the middle of nowhere. And the sheriff
had tried to make contact with it initially, and that's
why he called me to come help him. So as
we started to pursue it, we were in our vehicles,
our patrol vehicles.
Speaker 1: This thing.
Speaker 3: Every time that we would try and move closer to it,
it would move away from us, but it always paralleled
the roads. It always moved in a way that we
couldn't get to it or get better eyes on it,
But it never got away from us to where we
could couldn't see it. It obviously knew we were there,
and as we would pursue it down the gravel roads,
it would move in a direction that we couldn't get
close enough to it, but it would stay near the roads.
Speaker 6: So I got a question, So, given that you were
within the proximity to have eyes on this, were you
able to get any information regarding the size, the shape,
any distinguishing features. You know, we've talked a lot about, uh,
you know, the the these drone incursions happening over the
last several years, and now we have a response from
our you know, these are approved flights by hobbyists. So
what can you tell us about distinguishing features of these
objects that you saw that don't conform to that.
Speaker 3: Well, the first the first night that I witnessed one personally,
I couldn't get close enough to it to tell if
there was a fixed wing or if it was some
form of a quad copp or anything like that. It
was just the two reddish green lights. But I can
tell you that as close as we could get to it,
which was maybe within oh four hundred feet somewhere around there.
There was no noise. There was no noise that would
tell us that it was a drone or anything like that.
The other night that I witnessed, which would have been
about a week later, there was absolutely no signs to
it whatsoever that it was a drone due to it
was just a big ball, bright light in the sky
and the distance that it covered from the north to
my location to the south was about three quarters of
a mile and it covered that distance in about two
to four seconds. And it wasn't very high in the sky.
It was one hundred hundred and fifty feet And the
reason I knew that was because I referenced off the
co op tower where it was coming from, So I
knew roughly the height of the object, and then as
far as the size when it passed in front of me,
right in front of my windshield, from one side of
the light to the other side of the light, I
estimated to be about the size of my pickup truck,
and at that time I was driving a RAM fifteen
hundred crew grab pickup, so it was fairly large, at
least the light was anyways, but the amount of you know,
the two to four seconds that it took to cover
that distance. I'm not familiar with drones that can cover
that distance that quickly. And that there was no noise. Again,
the only thing that I saw that maybe gave it
some type of fixed object was it had contrails behind it,
and those contrails stayed as it passed by me. The
contrails stayed there when it finally disappeared away from me
to where I could no longer see it. When I
looked back to see if there was those contrails were
still there. They were gone. But I just that night,
I don't I don't feel like it was a drone,
just by the bright light that it was. It was
a reddish orange light. How fast it went. The no noise,
yeah it was. It was just it was so odd
and it was it still boggles my mind to this day.
Speaker 1: So kind.
Speaker 6: And what you describe is pretty sensational. How many drones
did you see at any given time, you know, did
they appear the same or were they different in some way?
Speaker 3: Well, some nights in our county we would see upwards
of fifty and they would move in formations, whether they
were in a huge you know, diamond shaped formation or
flying in a wedge. A deputy, the sheriff, and a
off duty state trooper all counted anywhere between forty and
fifty and they the forty to fIF the of them
were basically surrounding a small town in my county called Arcadia,
which is a town of about six hundred people, and
they just they were just there. They were just hovering
over the town doing whatever it was that they were doing,
and eventually they just flew off. And you know, I'll
go back and just say that every night that these
things showed up for that fourteen to seventeen days, we
never tracked where they could, where they were coming from,
We never tracked where they went. And that wasn't just
our county. It was multiple counties coordinating together at the
local law enforcement level to try and get a fix
on these things.
Speaker 6: And so and I want to I want to go
into a little bit more of that as as we
talk about the tracking. This is very important because you know,
as taxpayers, we pay for a lot of resources to
maintain the security of our nation and globally, Actually, what
steps were taken to gather the evidence that would demonstrate
to our government agencies and the public.
Speaker 7: What this was.
Speaker 6: As far as any photo, video evidence, anything that you
know that might have been deposited.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we did have We did have videos
from people, uh, and it was this, you know, it
was just a big bright light in the sky. And
we we had witness testimony, sworn statements. You know, I
could have had more sworn statements from people, but there
was just so many people that were unwilling to put
their name out there, you know, in the sworn statements.
They just would refuse to fill them out. But we uh,
you know, we coordinated with all the other law enforcement
agencies in the local area, calls to service, the nine
to one one locks, reaching out to federal agencies, the FBI,
the state patrol. Just there was just all sorts of
different ways that we tried to figure out what it was,
and it was always the same thing of well, that's
not us, We're not doing that. You know, we don't
know what it is. We reached out to survey companies
that maybe you were doing something with GPS, it's we
did our due diligence. I mean, we even reached out
to Facebook to see if they were doing something, and
it was all the same Nope, that's not us. Nope,
we're not doing that.
Speaker 6: So during your response, did you experience what other observations
did you have as far as any effects on the environment,
did you you know, was there any heat signatures any
did you feel any heat from the object. Was there
any sort of disruption to any electronic devices, anything that
beyond what you could see.
Speaker 3: No, we never I never experienced anything that was hot
or earned. None of my electronics ever shut off.
Speaker 7: Radio is always work.
Speaker 3: We could communicate through our cell phones, and none of
the other local populace ever, you know, reached out to
us to say, hey, this thing burned me or I
could feel heat or anything like that. We never had
any of that. We did have some other weird stuff though,
h ranchers calling in saying that these things are hovering
in and their pastures, shining big bright lights down on
their cattle or their horses and disturbing their cattle or
their horses. We never had any calls about cattle mutilations
or anything like that. But at some at one point,
there was a few days they weren't all together, they
were kind of broken up, but there was all There
was a few days where we had different ranchers that
had called either me personally or the office to say, hey,
this this white light, bright light, and the sky was
shining something down on my cattle that scared them. I
had to go out at four in the morning to
get accountabilit any of them. It just irritated them. They
wanted to know what it was.
Speaker 6: So to your knowledge, was was there any property damage
or injury to anyone or any of the cattle.
Speaker 3: Or Nope, nope, never had any reports of that.
Speaker 6: What about the demand on government resources to your local jurisdiction.
You know, you describe your community as a you know,
a ranching community. It sounds like a very peaceful, quiet community.
Something that would be uncare a high level known technology
to dedicate resources to.
Speaker 7: What demand did this.
Speaker 6: Place on your community in terms of response, how many
officers approximately responded? You know, what was the nature of
this response in terms of resources?
Speaker 3: Well, from my county alone, there was at the time
five full time deputies and sheriff, and then there was
three either three or four or police department officers, including
the chief. And we obviously work different shifts than other guys,
but typically on a night where this would be going on,
I would say about two to three of us would respond,
just in my county, but some of the other counties
were having one or two guys or gals out at
the same time dealing with their stuff and their county.
So there was a few of us. For as small
of a population as we are, there was a few
of us out every night trying to observe these things
or collect data or anything like that.
Speaker 6: At any time where you notified of any specific exercises
or additional activities that would would be expected to be
notified to your agency that hey, you know, don't get
all up in arms about is there these exercise going
on or tests, any any sort of notification that might
have aligned with these observations.
Speaker 3: Nope, nope. Off at Air Force Base, which is out
of Omaha. They're they're fairly large base, you know. They
they have jets and C one thirty's and stuff like
that flying and out of there all the time. But
when we reached out to them, it was nope, that's
not us, we're not doing that. We don't know what
it is that So we kind of wouled them out.
The FBI told us, Nope, that's not us, We're not
doing that. Even the State Patrol. We reached out to
them and they we do have state troopers in this area,
but we reached out to the command and they said, no,
we don't have that capability. We're not doing that.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 3: I think at one point you talked to the f
A and they said, no, that's not us, We're not
doing that. So we we we reached out through a
lot of different agencies.
Speaker 6: So as as you're responding to this, uh, this series
of incidents, and you're you're reaching out of these agencies,
you have, uh, you know what seems to be you know,
ill equipped to address uh an area an incident like this.
I mean, uh, the the police agencies respond to incidents
on the ground, and here you have an air incident.
So what what kind of challenges did you face when
trying to interface with other agencies as far as communication,
uh information sharing resources. What are some of the challenges
that you faced.
Speaker 3: Well, A lot of it was just you know, the
lack of what we were receiving from the federal government.
You know, they're the agencies around here. We we have
fairly sophisticated technology to do our job, but as far
as anything that's aerial, we you know, we don't have
the typical thermals or night vision or anything like that.
Every officer doesn't have that. We'd have to go to
our swat team guys to get that stuff. So that
definitely was a problem, was being able to use any
type of thermals or die vision at any given time
to try and get eyes on these things to figure
out what type of structure there.
Speaker 1: Was to it.
Speaker 3: As far as the communication side of it goes, we
did communicate a lot with other surrounding agencies, either by
cell phone or radio. But anytime that we would communicate
and say, hey, can you go sit up on this hill,
this thing is kind of moving in that direction towards
you guys over in your county. They would go set
up over there, and you know, they'd have ten power
binos or whatever to try and see lights in the
sky or whatever, and they would disappear. I don't know
if that meant they shut the lights off or some
other crazy technology. I don't know, but we just could
never triangulate where they were going or where they came from.
It was just so random.
Speaker 6: So so going back on your response here, I know
it's spent some time.
Speaker 7: If this were to happen again.
Speaker 6: What additional resources would you ask for if you were
in charge of responding to this incident, what would you say, Hey,
we absolutely need these resources, these personnel, this equipment we
need to set up, you know, in these locations to
get a beat on this.
Speaker 7: What would you ask for?
Speaker 3: I would definitely ask the federal government to help us
give us some answers. But as far as equipment, we
could use some thermals, we could use some night vision.
Communication wise, we got great radios, we have a good
radio system, we have a great regional dispatch center. Cell
Phones obviously they worked, so that was a quick way
for us to talk. But I would definitely say just
being able to get eyes on these things with those
thermals or their night visions, so if they did go
dark or shut their lights off, at least hopefully we
could pick them up with some type of thermal imaging
and that might help us track them a little bit better.
Speaker 1: I'd actually liked to I was going through while you
guys were chatting here. Chris a while back sent something like,
I think it's almost close to like forty or more
calls to service. Now, these are the kind of nine
to one to one call records, and I thought that
I would read some here because I think it really
illustrates how prolific this particular drone event was. And so yeah,
I'm just going to go through some of them here.
Let's see. So this this was from let's see, sorry,
January thirteenth of twenty twenty, called details, and I'm going
to leave the officers' names out, and of course the
person who made the made the call. But this officer said,
about ten minutes ago eight drones flew over his property west,
so that's one. Another one here saw cluster of bright
lights to the southwest of her house. This was on
January seventh, twenty twenty. Let's see west of Dodge and
sixteenth cluster of fifteen drones on let's see January seventh.
A drone hovering over house and lists the caller saw
about four to five hours ago when she complained. Let's
see Ashley Furniture. See Ashley Furniture stores. See drones three
to southeast three to four miles. Another person called says
he is seeing three small and one large drone over
Maxwell if that's a street. Another person on again on
January seventh, six drones. Caller and his girlfriend said they
saw them yellow in different colored lights. Northwest of airport
near Highway is another call drones over house. Twenty of
them happened forty five minutes ago. Majority went east, others
went north. Another one here on January second, twenty twenty
Hershey two drones near the canal. Saw drones one west
of Sutherland, one west of north Platte. Let's see here
looking for some other ones. Looks like one is north
of Miller Road. This was again on January seventh. Solid
white light that's been there for five minutes west of Highway,
maybe moving east. And again, folks, these are actual. These
are the calls to service, and maybe after I go
through some of these will have Chris tell us exactly
what calls to service are, But I mean these are.
It's the number of them is insane. One drone approximately
forty feet in the air called in by by a
police officer. That's pretty low. Another call ten to twenty
drones flying one thousand feet in the air around Highway
eighty three complaint loops as a complaintant. There Another call
six to seven drones overhead between well Fleet and Dickens
Drone siding about twenty minutes ago. It's just it's unreal
the number of them. I'm just going to kind of
quick skim through some of these others. Here's another one.
A caller saw high in the sky and said it
looked like a satellite going west to east, and then
saw fifteen separate lights following each other in a straight line,
evenly spaced. The lights were not blinking, they were steady lights.
Drone not too far up in the air, flashing lights
on either side. It has two lights hovering in one spot. Uh.
Followed a drone. Another call followed drone from town along
South Buffalo and then around the lake by the dumpedon
end of their house. Drone siding. Drone siding seen several
drones flying together. Some have flew off and then turned
back around. They are flying towards Hershey, right now, I
made contact with a large Okay, so this is uh,
this is a called call to service from you, Chris.
Where you state, uh, let's see, attempted to make contact
with large drone that was flying west and let's see
I delete that one just kind of and and finally
I want to read this statement that that you that
you provided. Again, this is ORed police department. This is
back when you were you were a chief of police.
The legal statement, the statement that was provided to you
when you were chief of police. There, my daughter and
I noticed the drones hovering over Ord along with a
redacted name. We watched them for about fifteen to thirty minutes,
hovering over the Valley County Courthouse. There maybe was three
to four drones in a row. This was all during daylight.
The next night we started seeing them out at our
place one point five miles from ORD. I tried to
video some of them. However, some of the videos didn't
come out clear. The drones had red, green, blue, and
white lights. Blue is not a standard color for aircraft.
We would see them alone or in multiples in a
straight line or circle. They would hover in one spot
for a while and then go lower towards the ground.
They would also circle around an area and then move online.
They would hover until they would see us watching them,
and then they would take off fast. Exclamation point. We
started noticing them in more numbers, hovering in squares or grids.
One night there was one flying west and one flying
east at the same time. One flew right by a plane.
It got to the point where we could. We could
be inside our house and hear them flying around all
over our place. One video, I was able to rush outside.
In one second of video, you could hear the engine,
We could see all of their lights, the shadow of
the shape of the drone, and it flew right over us.
Then it was back up in the sky. I mean,
really really pretty pretty amazing accounts there, Chris, What what
are calls to service? What have I been reading to
our viewers here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So calls to service can be a lot of
different things. It can be an actual nine to one
one call, or it could be somebody calling our dispatch
center to just file a complaint or to let us
know something is suspicious. But the calls to service themselves
come either directly to the dispatch center and they dispatch us,
or say I get a personal phone call from, uh,
you know, a citizen in the county, and I call
my dispatch and say, hey, so and so just called
me about a suspicious person near Dollar General. And then
I tell dispatch I'm going to be out at Dollar
General reference a suspicious person. Can you make me a
call to service for that? And then dispatch makes the
call to service Later in the day, if I need
to go do documentation because I made an arrest or
I witnessed something that was odd, I would do my report.
So a call to service is essentially anything that we
as law enforcement officers are able to track as well
as if it goes to a court case or a trial,
we would use those calls to service and reports to
use them in trial.
Speaker 1: Got it, Okay, Sean, back back to you. I feel
like a news anchor here.
Speaker 7: Oh no, this is great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And Matt, it's because what that conveys to the
public is that there were there was significant concern in
the community. It was documented in the computer aided dispatch
system for the police department, and that is way to
catalog all of the witnesses that are saying that they
saw what they said that they saw, and this is
important to corroborate the information to determine whether or not
this is something we need to be concerned with or
something that is clearly by the number of reports and
the fact that the reports were saying that these drones
were hovering over private property, hovering in the vicinity of
an airport, and then now you know, years later, we're
being told that these were approved by the FAA. So
hopefully what we're going to get out of really parse
out what is reasonable in terms responces, what our preparedness
level is, and as it compares to the information that
we do have. So, Chris, based on all of this
information and given the time that has gone by, let
me ask you to date, has there been any accountability
as to who was responsible for the in your communit?
Speaker 1: Nope.
Speaker 3: We never received any any answers from any agency, the
local you know, the state patrol obviously if it wasn't theirs,
they they never gave us answers. FBI never gave us answers.
It's it's just kind of been a a whatever situation.
Seems like nobody wants to tell us or they don't know.
Speaker 1: But what what what has.
Speaker 7: That done with?
Speaker 6: You know, in terms of the confidence in public safety efforts?
And I know we're talking about have you, as a
as a local county UH officer or the state or
state partners, have they experienced any any flak from the
public because of you know, the lack of accountability UH
for these drones.
Speaker 3: Not that I not that I'm aware of that they've
ever received any flack, but I still to this day
have people in community coming up to me and saying, so,
what's going on with this? Why are we still being
told that it's FAA approved. You know, they laugh at that.
They're they're just fed up with why nothing is being
told to us. Truthfully, they never give us black but
they they definitely don't like and appreciate being lied to
you by the threaderal government.
Speaker 7: Matt, did you have a question, No, I was just.
Speaker 1: I wanted to jump in so so so we are
getting uh let's see here, yeah, so yues so Sean,
we're occasionally getting a little some audio hits on you.
So uh so we're having a little bit of drop out,
but we'll keep on We'll keep on going. But yeah,
the thing I would would note is, like I said
earlier in the program, the government wants you to think
that this is all new, that they've never run into
this before. It's a mystery. They want to get to
the bottom of it, just like everyone else. And when
you when you listen to Chris Grooms talk about this
incident from twenty nineteen twenty twenty and the federal response,
or sort of the lack of federal response, how the
government reacted in twenty nineteen twenty twenty is literally identical
to what you saw just this past November, December, January.
Speaker 6: So, Chris, I want to ask it, after your response
to these incidents and the lack of accountability, has this
resulted in any changes to your agency's protocols? What changes
for improvement you know has has your made as a
result of this.
Speaker 3: When I was with the Sheriff's office, we obviously we
tried to figure out what the situation was and what
these things were, who they belonged to, But as far
as us being able to figure out a better approach,
we never really did that at the at the sheriff's
office level. We did put meetings on at the regional
dispatch Center where all surrounding agencies could come together and
discuss better ways to communicate, better detail and reports on
what these things possibly could have looked like, that type
of stuff, But as far as at the Sheriff's office
where I was at, we never got around to coming
up with anything better that we could do, just because
I would assume the lack of information that we were
being given. I think that's the biggest problem, is the
lack of information that has passed down to your local
and state law enforcement. If we had better information or
better intelligence, we could act on that and make the
area safer. But we're just not getting that.
Speaker 6: So we've spent some time talking about the public safety response,
and I know a lot of attention is being placed
on the federal go to all of our public safety professionals.
Speaker 7: As well as the public that this is a collective effort.
Speaker 6: Uh, you know, espe with the vacation of uh federal
several federal positions. Uh you know, in many ways, our
federal response, you know, maybe compromised. So it is imperative,
imperative that the public remain informed as to what you
can do. Uh uh our public safety professionals with gathering informations.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of cell phones out there.
Speaker 6: We need to make sure that we're collecting the information
that we're willing to uh go on record with what
we sawation for the public. Uh with these ongoing incursions.
Speaker 3: Are you asking me to bring up what the what
the public can do? You cut nowt.
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 3: Like like you said, they need to be uh, you know,
contacting us with with any any in the sky that
they may find to be odd. We haven't seen that
stuff around here. That I'm aware of lately. There was
a deputy that had been seeing some stuff recently, but
as far as I know, the public hadn't been calling
in on it. But as far as the public, you know,
don't be afraid to call your local law enforcement even
if you think that it's you know, oh, I don't
think it was this, or I don't think it was that.
Call law enforcement and let them know, give them details,
because something that you may be seeing right now may
corroborate to something from three years ago. And that's how
you can build a case or build evidence to what
you need to do based off of just the information
that a law enforcement officer can can receive and go
back and look into the what it was three years ago.
So yeah, I just I feel like a around here,
we don't have a lot of problems with the public
being scared to call law enforcement. You know, we get
we get some pretty odd calls just from people you know,
fighting over you know, a catchup model. We get those
phone calls, so and we have to respond to it.
Speaker 1: We just do.
Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, So around here, we don't have a lot
of problems with you know, the locals reaching out the
law enforcement because for the most part, they trust, they
trust us. But I feel like that is the biggest
thing that the public can do is just continue to
report it to your law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, Sean, I'm gonna interrupt here because your your
audio drops aren't happening more more often, and ask you
to disconnect from Zoom and reboot the program and then
I'll put you back, put you back in there, because
I think we're we're losing some of your your excellent
your excellent questions there.
Speaker 8: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no problem at all. So, So, Chris, are
you are you surprised judging from your experience and dealing
with the federal government back in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty
and the kind of lack of a response, are you
surprised by the response this go around? All of this started,
I think it was like November of last year in
the UK and then it started happening in New Jersey.
Was their response? Did it surprise you at all? Quite?
Speaker 3: Frankly, Uh, not really, because it's been it's been that
way for two different administrations. Now. You know, if you
think about twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, when it was going
on around us, you know, President Trump was the president
his administration was in power and we were getting nothing,
you know, and then President Biden came in. Now New
Jersey's experiencing that stuff and among other places, and they're
getting the same runner out. I was optimistic at first,
and President Trump made the comment that I'll get to
the bottom of it and let the American people know
as soon as I get in office. I took that
as cool, maybe we're going to finally get something. But
when we were told what the Press secretary said, I
just kind of shook my head, like, Okay, we're back
to where we were four years ago.
Speaker 1: I shook my I shook my head as well. Sean,
I see your.
Speaker 6: Back, I am, and I actually have to uh.
Speaker 7: Make an adjustment.
Speaker 6: Okay, the thrill of doing live streams all right, how's
how's my audio?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it's it's fine. I haven't heard you
drop out, so I think we're hopefully we're good. Knock
on wood, all right, Chris.
Speaker 6: I want to thank you for your time and for
being once again a part of this panel.
Speaker 7: We thank you for.
Speaker 6: Your service both with the various facets of law enforcement
and your service as military officer for our nation. You
are a proxy for public safety in terms of first
response to this incident. As a direct witness, I want
to turn to Richard Lang, former mutual UFO Network and
Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Applications Programs Investigations Coordinator otherwise known
as afsapp rich thanks for joining us.
Speaker 9: Thank you, good to be here.
Speaker 6: Thanks Sean, thank you, and so as we as we
hand off the baton. You know, when we have an incident,
we have a first responder that responds to the scene,
collects as much evidence as they can, gather the information,
and then the investigators responsible for conducting the follow up.
Can you give us a little bit of a background
in terms of training for public safety professionals and specifically
the gaps what is public safety not getting in in
terms of responding to anomalist drone encounters.
Speaker 9: Sure, I'd be happy to One of the things that
I think you know just as we were talking here
today that there's definitely a disconnect as far as reporting goes.
And by that I mean if you were to go
on Google right now and say how to report a
UFO incident or how to report a UAP incident, It's
going to take you to sites like move on the
Mutual UFOE Network or the National UFO Reporting Center. It
doesn't tell you to call the local police. And that's
kind of the way it's always been in the past.
You know, having worked in the Star team at MOFON,
we've got at least eight hundred reports coming in every month,
but people typically haven't been conditioned to get the police involved.
And I think that that's one of the things I'm
seeing now is that you know, with the incursion of
all this activity, the so called drones, if you will,
for the police are suddenly being pulled into this, where
in the past they really weren't. So now you're dealing
with a lot of police officers like Chris and a
lot of other guys that are out there, and women
that are responded to these things and for probably for
the first time. And you know, one of the reasons
that I wrote my book, which is a guide for
first responders, I have a really good friend, doctor Keith Taylor, Professor,
and he had conducted a survey and basically sent out
emails to three hundred of the biggest law enforcements and
agencies in the country asking them questions like what type
of training do you have to handle UAP events. Do
you have any SOPs for dealing with this kind of thing?
And also do you have any kind of equipment that
you supply your personnel with. Unfortunately, the answer came back
and it was totally negative. No one responded. None of
those agencies responded with any kind of applicable training. And
so that was kind of what motivated me more than
anything else to write my book. And when I did it,
I try to give them a little bit of the
history of how this is all developed back and from
the Truman administration to the current the current day, and
and and how the defense contractors have been involved in
developing this technology and the secrecy that's been involved in that,
just so they can get a little bit of an
understanding of it, because a lot of people really don't
have a good handle on it. And then I put
in there a list of all the terms and acronyms
that are used to define this stuff, just to help
enhance understanding. And then I put a chapter in there
about the reconnaissance activity. And essentially, if you have a
craft that crashes, uh, the government has teams what we
call them recon units, and they're they're you know, they
they deploy out of different bases around the country, and
and they're there to come in and secure this stuff
and and and gather it up. And not to say
that they're exclusively dealing with you know, uh UAP or
anomalous phenomena, but also if you have an aircraft with
a nuclear missile on it, or uh some type of
a craft that crashes, or a piece of a satellite
comes down, these are the guys that go out and
it's their job to go and get it cleaned, it
up and secure it. And so I put a chapter
in my book how they would react with the local police.
And that typically might mean if they're really what there
was a crash somewhere, they're going to put a cover
story out, quarantine the area, probably use local police officers
to maintain the perimeter, but typically local police don't get
inside the perimeter to see what they're they're they're actually
doing or or recovering. And then and then the most
important chapter in the book, again the the whole context
of my book was for officers safety, because when you
look at investigative you know, the investigations, there's there's in responses.
There's really two things that we're dealing with one is
that you know, you go and investigate something to collect
data and you know, photographs, videos and all that kind
of stuff for the research. The other side of it
is just to make sure that the officers are trained
so that they can respond safely to this stuff without
any personal injury. And so I had to put a
list together of things that we kind of wanted them
to understand, and we can talk a little bit. There's
some very simple equipment that I recommend they have the
police cars that would really help protect them. But basically,
you're dealing with somebody that gets a call. You're on
patrol two thirty in the morning, and and and some
lady calls up and she's all upset that because something's
landed or crashed in or pasture and she's afraid it's
going to hurt her horses. So you roll up on
the scene, and there's some things that you need to
understand and know as you as you get close to that.
And part of what I'm trying to what I'm saying here,
a lot of it is the information that I've developed
over doing years of research and working with with witnesses
and you know, looking at reports and some of the
things that have happened to individuals that that cause them
to have health health.
Speaker 7: Effects.
Speaker 9: And by that I mean, like you have a typical scenario.
You know, over the years, there's been a number of
these cases where there's some people that are out in
the remote area somewhere and for whatever reason, they're confronted
with with phenomena, whether it's a craft or whatever, and
so the next thing, you know, the car stopped and
they're they're trying to figure out what's going on. So,
you know, the two people in the front seat jump
out of the car and they're wandering around looking and
trying to figure out what's happening. And then the third
person is like scared to death and curled up on
the floor in the back seat. And then a month later,
the two individuals that were out out of the car
are developing all kinds of adverse health effects, tumors, you know, POSP,
pop pop, cancer, that kind of thing, and the guy
that was scared and hiding in the back seat has
no health health effects to deal with. So the bottom
line is that you can you can deduce that the
car protects you from some of the hazards that that
might be encountered, it's the metal in the car that
will protect you. And so we talk about these the
hazards that these crashes they could be. You can have
nuclear radiation, electromagnetic fields, high electrostatic energy, and there could
be toxic substances or even some bio hazards.
Speaker 6: Richard, So let me let me just jump in real
quick here, because you gave a great summary of what
you would do in an investigation. But I want to
kind of break this into pieces. So if we have
the scene response, where we're collecting the data, we're we're
identifying witnesses, we're collecting evidence, and then we follow up
and then we identify certain hazards that may have been
present at the scene. I want to make a distinction
between what your duties were as the Muffon coordinator and
what we're seeing on the East Coast and what Chris
is describing out in Nebraska, and then we have other
reports on the West Coast.
Speaker 7: And around the world.
Speaker 6: It's important to make a distinction between the incidents that
reportedly involve these types of health incidents and these types
of distinguishing features that that we would characterize as anomalous
and incidents that are being heavily covered in the news,
and that the FAA and federal government are saying, hey,
these are hobbyists, these are approved FA flights, and this
is these are just normal drones or advanced drones. When
when when you conduct your investigations, what important pieces of
information are you collecting to say, hey, this is not
a conventional piece of equipment or uh or a conventional
description of anything. What what exactly are you pinning down
to separate the wheat from the chafe.
Speaker 9: Well, Sean, I think that the thing that we have
to distinguish here is there's a difference between me deploying
an investigator to go out and work on a case
where someone's reported an incident, and that you know, the
whole context of my book was really not about investigating
UFO cases. It was about officer safety and the kind
of things that need to be done to protect them personally,
if you will, I think that, you know, as we're
looking at all these cases that are coming in, and
I've looked at hundreds of them over the years, the thing,
the whole concept of the drone. I mean, a lot
of us that have been around a while we kind
of jokingly say that the concept of drones is like
the old the new word for swamp gas. And the
reason that they we think that is because if you
say the word drone, most people find it pretty disarming.
You know, someone will say, oh, yeah, we bought our
kids a drone for Christmas last year. We were just
playing with it out in the backyard last summer, and
so the concept of a drone is very disarming, and
whoever came up with that, it was really a brilliant deception,
if you will, as far as what's going on with
this phenomena. And again, I think John and Jerry probably
could could could define this a lot better than me.
But what they're seeing out there is that there are
multiple types of these things, and some of them are
occurring simultaneously, and so it's very difficult to sort of
sort it all out, if you will. I had recently
one of my guys that work with me during the
asset program was and that he lives in New Jersey
and he was him and his friend hiked into an
area where they were known to be seeing these drones,
and you know, he gave me a pretty pretty comprehensive
description of of what it was looked like and they ultimately,
there were three of them that came in that came
pretty close to them, and the kind of things that
you know, they're talking about something that's hovering a treat
top level, and these things are three of them. They
were synchronized so if one of them would turn, they
would all turn the same way, exactly the same the
same time. And one of them got within about seventy
yards of him. And again these are a tree level,
so they're low. And he had he had one of
his you know, he had a trifield meter with them
set in the magnetic range, and it just pegged the meter.
It started, yeah, you know, it went off really hard.
And he also noticed that he was feeling the tingling
sensation on his skin, on his face, and he said
that he thought that, you know, like the next day
he kind of had a sunburn from it, which would
be typical of a magnetic radiation that it would it
would cause that kind of kind of damage. And he
also said that it had a kind of a humming
sound and uh, it had no propellers or wings or
anything like that on it. He described it as like
an elongated rectangle shaped like a shoe box if you will,
and it was about the size of a mini van
and and it got that close to him. So we
we kind of thought that was interesting. And then I
had John and Jerry uh look at uh Joe did
Wardow's testimony in the video that that we did with him,
and you know, I think they can tell you that
they were seeing objects that were pretty much you know,
they've identified the same kind of phenomena up in New York.
So is that does that kind of answer your question?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so so as we again it answers the question.
But I want to reemphasize, uh, one of the problems
that we have in addressing this issue is that we
have people on the on the far and the spectrum
that uh, you know, have put a label that this is,
you know, something you know, otherworldly, and then we have
the opposite perspective with it, which is this is just conventional, prosaic,
you know, tech. So the importance of of you know,
a response preparedness preparedness plan for public safety professionals is
to be able to accurately identify all of the steps
that need to be taken in an investigation so that
we can uh, you know, establish you know, the credibility
and veracity of witnesses, to secure digital evidence and data. Uh,
and to make sure that any anything that may have
been deposited by the drone is identified for examination. Uh.
You know, without those steps, then you know, we we're
kind of running in circles as to what this is
or what it isn't And then you know, we're dealing
with issues like in Chris's community where people are frustrated
and not just in that community but throughout our nation
as to the lack of knowledge as to what this is.
Speaker 7: So I want to ask.
Speaker 6: You what what resources, uh do you recommend for today's
response given that the government position is that these are
all approved FAA flights or hobbyists and there's you know
this is there's no evidence to indicate that it's a
public safety hazard.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 9: Yeah, let me let me go that I actually where
you went. Okay, that you know some of the research
that's been done, and Jim Sigala has recently done some
interviews talking about the research that they did on the
Skinwalker Ranch when they were dealing with anomalous phenomena. So
I would say that there's probably about five or six
things that occur during an anomalous event that would help
you identify whether it's a star space station or whether
it's really something that's that's happening. First of all, if
you have an anomalous event, some type of UAP, it
gets in close proximity, there's typically a gamma radiation spike.
So so when you have them, you know, like on
our field teams were recommending them, you know, to use
these little radiation detectors which are pretty accurate and reliable.
And and so if you're out in the field and
something happens where something you know gets close, if you
start seeing gamma spikes, it's not enough to like harm you.
It's like turned on and turned off real quick, but
it's definitely definable with the meter. Also, same thing, you'll
get spikes with electromagnetic energy, usually in the magnetic range.
Another thing that you'll notice is that if you have
a GPS. I have a GPS, and when you turn
it on, it it'll maybe identify twelve satellites. Well, if
you're watching that thing and all of a sudden it's
down to one satellite or two satellites, there's usually something
anomalous involved in that. And obviously interruptions and cell phones
and you know. So what I'm trying to say is,
you know, like when we have these guys that are
going out and doing night watches or responded and made
our real arms or something like that. If you have
the radiation detector, if you have the magnetic you know,
the Trifield type meters, those will give you some and
the ones that we recommend have alarms in them, so
you're basically when the alarms start going off, you know
something's going on. And that's a good way to sort
of identify them because a lot of times, you know,
in the in the you know, the in my experience
in years past, you know, people will report something that
that you know, flew over their house and landed in
the woods behind the house. And sometimes things happen that
looked like that. I had an investigator went out one night.
Guy was a physician, and he basically made a report
that said this thing came over his house and then
it went down in the field way beyond in the
woods behind his house. So, you know, the investigator goes out,
sits down on the back porch where the guy was,
and he's got his computer and it's got up basically
a star map in there, and what you do is
you put the coordinates of where you are in the
date and time, and it'll give you a picture of
what that night sky looked like that night. And it's
they're quite useful. So he's with this guy and the
guy says, yeah, it was nine thirty. So he takes
his mouth and rolls the time in at nine thirty there,
and there is this really bright light right up in
the sky and he's moving at ten ten thirty and
you can see the the light just appears to come
over and go down in the horiz and the guys like, yeah, yeah,
that's exactly what I saw. And the investory goes, that
was Jupiter, you know. So so that that happens, and
and there are things out there in the night sky
that look anomalous and they're not, but uh, you know
one of them.
Speaker 6: I'm glad that you addressed the you know, the issue
of misidentification because it's you know, it's a real issue.
It's something that happens. You know, people are not lying
when they say that they saw something and it was
a mistake.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 6: Uh, you went through quite a bit of equipment that
that will help our investigators and first responders conduct the investigation.
One of the challenges with you know, getting that type
of equipment is procurement. UH So it's a it's a
challenge to have agencies by equipment for which they don't
have a demonstrated uh purpose that is going to be
used to justify the cost. What what do you say
to our public safety agencies or even our you know,
the public who want to invest in these items, what
do you recommend as far as immediate purchases to address these.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think in going back to the original concept
is the training is the most critical part. Because you
can have the greatest equipment of the world. If you
don't know how to use it, then it's pretty useless.
But I would say as a very minimum, and again,
I just produced a video for our field team and
it's just basically a thing that helps them to put
together a kit what you need to have in the field.
One of the things that I start out with is
these little radiation detectors. This particular one, it's the best
selling one on Amazon right now. I read a report
that was done by a very technical company and they
gave it like a four point eight. It's accurate, it's reliable,
you can charge it up, it'll stay for ten hours.
It's got alarms in it, and they cost maybe sixty
eighty bucks. They're not that expensive anymore. The other thing
is there's different types of them, but these called trifield meters.
They basically pick up electric energy, magnetic energy and RF
like from cell phone towers and things like that. And
I'd recommend that you set it on the magnetic setting.
And you know, I think anything over five mg is
where you've got to start worrying, where it could cause
a health problem. And so that is those are the
probably the two. Then there's also another thing that I
was showing you guys earlier tonight. These little this is
like a little credit card. It's a little plastic car.
And this was developed for homeland security and there's a
whole bunch of different government agencies that use these now.
That cost twenty bucks. And when they come there in
a little plastic bag and when you open it up,
it'll lasts for almost three years. Basically you can carry
this in your in your wallet or hanging on your credentials.
And if you've ever been exposed to anything radioactive, you
can see these little.
Speaker 7: Bar charts here.
Speaker 9: They'll there's a chuck and it tells you they'll change
color and indicate the level of exposure that you've had
to radiation. So everybody on our team, we're trying to
get them all to carry these around with them at
least when they're deployed for sure. So that's kind of
that's kind of it. And just a couple of other
quick things. Is anyone that's in the field, particularly an officer,
one of the things that you don't want to do
is you don't want to walk under a craft that's
hovering because most of the what we call electro gravitic propulsion,
it affects human skin tissue the same way it would
as you stuck your micro arm in a microwave oven.
It'll it'll it'll cause skin tissue damage. And so we
always tell them that, you know, if you're on patrol
or if you're an investigator and you get in close
proximity to an event that's occurring, you want to make
sure if you can stay in the car, because the
car really will protect you and also the pretended windshield
to protect your eyes a little bit too. If you
get close to something that's on the ground and it's
still powered up there can be different types of radiation
coming off that. There can be electro, there can be
ultra violet radiation that will give you skin, it'll burn
you like sunburn. But there's also in some cases there's
there's X radiation and gamma radiation that's strong enough to
cause radiation sickness. And what I tell you know, law
enforcement people, is when you get in close proximity to
this phenomena, you may see that dash cams will quit working,
body cams will quit working, radio equipment will fail. And
that's very typical, and that's the same thing that happens
with the investigators. Our guy out there in New Jersey
was trying to he had an iPhone thirteen and when
he tried to take a picture of it, the focus
would just keep going in and out. It wouldn't lock in.
And there's kind of like he described, the lightest kind
of slightly stroboscopic, so it would it confuses the the
auto focused systems in the cameras. It makes it more
difficult to photograph, and we recommend using up more like
a DLSR and then manually focusing it.
Speaker 6: All right, Richard, thank you for providing that breakdown of
the safety considerations, and obviously we want to remind our
public safety professionals as well as the public that you know,
procedures for managing hazardous materials are provided in the United
States Department of Transportation and Emergency Response Guidebook. This provides
the relative distance when it should be to avoid exposures.
So basically, if you can smell it or you can
feel it, you're in it. And what you've described is,
you know the effects of radiation that may not be
immediately apparent.
Speaker 7: You know, I asked Chris, you.
Speaker 6: Know, hey, did you feel any heat or any type
of unusual effects from the environment. He said no, But
we as we know with radiation, and we still don't know,
you know, when cancer manifests, how you know, when did
it start?
Speaker 7: We haven't been able to pinpoint that.
Speaker 6: So these items that you've mentioned are important for public
safety agencies to consider, you know, doing some research and
purchasing and hopefully we'll you know, in the event that
these drone incursions continue they are apparently continuing, as we
heard from Rosscoltart earlier. It is important to have a plan.
So Richard, thank you for being on our panel today
and part of this discussion. At this time, I would
like to turn to Jerry and John Todsco electrical engineers
who have taken it upon themselves to apply some very
innovative techniques with technologies to detect these drones. And what
they've done is been able to use hyperspectral photography to
visualize things that they can see only in certain spectrums
but not with the naked eye. So Jerry and John,
thank you for joining us again once today and if
you could please tell us what technology or behavior have
you been able to detect using UH your methods.
Speaker 8: Sure, thank you, Sean, also, Matt, thank you, thank you
very much for having us back. The the comments, the
the observations that both Chris and uh rich I presented
is uh pretty much in line with what we've been
observing on the east coast of of the the US
on the Long Out off the Long Island coast. UH,
we're seeing objects out there that are they're not micro drones,
they're not many drones. They you know, they're they seem
to be much larger. They're presenting with certain lighting systems
that look like navigation lights. We're not exactly sure if
they're in the right the proper sequence or there the
flash rates are the same because they seem to change.
You'll see you'll see these lights they'll go from from
red and green, uh to to white and there's there's
at times it seems to be no real pattern to it.
You know, they'll the the flesh rates will change. Uh,
the objects will take on they seem to take on
a different type of appearance at times. So uh, you know,
we we want to we kind of want to keep
a group of items together, a group of observations together,
because they're they're they're I think they're all one and
the same. You know, you're talking u a p uh.
Whether they're drones or drone like objects, they they have
uh uh an anonymous characteristic about them that they're they're
they're presenting in certain ways that they don't are not typical.
They're not typical of what we see with with drones.
We've heard heard a number of reports out in the
field about these objects suddenly going dark is as Chris mentioned,
or suddenly taking off at a very rapid rate of speed.
And this is not typical of of of most drone
type objects that you're that that you're seeing out there.
Whether or not there's a combination of them. You know,
I'm possibly a military component to it, that that is
actually flying the drones out there, which are you know,
a high tech version of it, which is not which
is not typical of commercial drones that we're seeing. So
I think that's what people are getting right, you know,
they're they're getting right that they are seeing stuff out
there that is not typical, you know, and and so
and the reason for so many records that that we're
hearing about. You know, there is a fair share of
typical commercial traffic and we've we've made mistakes ourselves as
far as identifying it. But you need certain types of
equipment to to you know, uh, dive into those characteristics
and understand what they are. You know, there's certain camera
systems we use hyperspectral cameras. There's also, uh, there's a
radiation you know, background monitoring equipment, environmental monitoring equipment that
I think is required, especially for first responders that that
are up against something that they really don't know what
they're up against, especially what what Rich has mentioned. You know,
those are concerns, those are those are real concerns. And uh,
you know, as far as having the the the proper
equipment it's it's you know, of course it's safe, better
safe than sorry. Uh, but there were there's a uh,
you know, quite a few pieces of equipment that the
the law enforcement already has and that can be utilized
right away. This is their speed guns. There were there
radar guns. There, there's light ar guns that then give
you range and velocity of an object.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 8: These are the kind of things that we really need
to know from folks that are on the on the
front lines, like like Chris. You know, it's uh, you know,
we don't always get an ideal situation. It's not you know,
it's not always ideal when we're out there. We're making
these observations and you know, for somebody to see something
that's that's literally sixty feet away, you know though, that's
the kind of data points we need. That's the kind
of data that we need to look at and and
understand and analyze to come up with a characterization of
what these things are and the methodology for detecting them.
And this is what we've tried to do over the
last few years that we've been out at rob Moses
Day Punk. Now, we do have a number of equipment
that we use on a regular basis. We have made suggestions,
and some of those suggestions are very much what Rich
had already pointed out. But again it's it's using the
speed guns, the radar guns that the the law enforcement
has on most of the time, light our systems, light
our guns, the flashlights. You know, there are times and
you know, if they are going dark, you know, you know,
I don't you know, I would cautiously advise people to
use those lights to to light them up to find
out what is up there. And of course that's I'm
speaking from from a researcher's point of view with right
right now, and it's uh, you know, of course, you know,
take those precautions, you know, and stride and you know,
if you feel uncomfortable, if folks feel uncomfortable about doing that,
then I certainly would recommend it. But but for us personally,
you know, we're trying to understand what they are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and let me.
Speaker 6: Let me just jump in here because you said some
things that are very important in terms of you know,
identifying some things that are concerned. You know, again, we
keep getting this message that you know, there's no evidence
that this is a public safety hazard. Can you you know,
I you know share with us any specific markers that
indicate advanced capabilities that could be a public safety hazard.
Speaker 8: So, you know, we had a we have a situation
back in August of twenty two a physical, uh side
of it, you know, where we had observed an object
that was just off the coast. It was it was
on the water shore and uh, we were subjected to
some kind of a lack of a better word, a
flaccid paralysis was it was very short lived. It was
from an observation we were making down there of of
of an invisible set of a triangle of invisible set
of lights that was in the form of an Isosceles triangle.
And these lights would they would synchronize rotation as as
Richard pointed out with somebody that he had spoken to,
UH that made an observation with this, and we had
observed this in night vision equipment, so we weren't able
to see it, you know, physically visibly with the naked
eye and under the night vision equipment. We had something
that you know, had had approached us, you know, right
on the shore and and we had a physical we
had a physical reaction from it. It's not something we
can wrap our heads around. I really don't know how
to advise anybody as far as you know, what we
we even believe it might might have been. You know,
it's a it was. It was a surprise, tough to
wrap your head around, but uh, it did have an
effect on us. And you know, if if that that
is the case, you know, you certainly want to avoid
that as much as you can. And uh, you know.
Speaker 6: Did you see any any sort of medical evaluation or
support uh following this exposure.
Speaker 8: No, we did not, We did not. We had we
had followed it up with u the u AP Medical
u AP Medical Group, and we had spoken to the
medical team. We had met with a team of neuroscientists
and including I think a neurologist, and we had spoken
about it. We also had spoken with an emergencym position.
I got it later on, but at this point in time,
it was too far removed the event that you probably
wouldn't show anything. And it's such a stigma or a
stigma around it that it wasn't something that we wanted
to openly, you know, advertise out there with without research.
You know, we just didn't know, didn't know, you know,
uh what to make of it. You just had no
idea what to make of it at that time.
Speaker 6: And so and so that's part of the problem. And
and and again hats off to you, h to you
both for coming forward and sharing this. It's it's a
challenge when you're trying to when you're engaging in research
and you're you know, you're again you're like the fireman, right,
the firefighter who's going into the fire, and you're exposed
to the hazards.
Speaker 7: So you're you're.
Speaker 6: Running toward the hazard, you're not running away from it,
and therefore you're subject to these exposures. But at the
same time, because this, uh, these types of exposures are
not readily understood, Uh, you have some resist you know,
reservations about making a formal report. So I just want
to confirm did you make a formal report or or
did you not? We did not, Okay, So so again
to our public, we want to make sure that we
encourage you to, uh, if something like this does happen,
to make a formal report. Uh. You know, Jerry and John,
you're you're in the thick of it, and we appreciate, uh,
you know, the the technical expertise that you're lending to this. Uh,
as far as the the technical limitations uh that you
know that relate to electronic jamming and identification. Have you
come across anything that would indicate uh, you know, some
sort of electronic jamming or communication by uh this technology
towards your devices.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, so it was this was uh we we
did go out in December of between Christmas and New
Year's when this this New Jersey drone drone flat was
uh was occurring, and it was just occurring in New Jerseys.
The reality of it was covering all throughout the Northeast.
These numbers, the amount of reports were growing throughout the Northeast.
It wasn't just New Jersey, it was connected. It was
Long Island, New York, Staten Island Race. And this is
a statistic that closely looked up in Enigma lapse. They
actually have a piece of software that they're documenting these cases.
But yeah, in December and early January when we went
out there, there's more of the December incident.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 8: We had seen objects out there. Some of them were
drone like, some of them were looked like orbs what
we were seeing before. But we when we were tracking
these objects, but both of them out there, we did
get these odd radar reflections that appeared to be it
looks similar to what you would see with jamming radar jamming.
You get these these radial reflections along appearance pattered on
the on the display of the radar. Yeah. Interference patterns, yeah,
long long delay echoes, you know, some some unusual, very
unusual interference patterns. And uh, this is something that you know,
we're not exactly sure you know, what is occurring around
these objects that's producing this effect, you know. I know
some people see this the chromatic changes of light that
they seem to have a kaleidoscope appearance to them when
they see them when they were when they're visible. Other
times they'll see, uh, what looks like a poly rotating polyhedron,
you know. And most of the time it can't be
visualized in the visible light. It has to be you
have to use some kind of MVG, some kind of
night vision goggles and night vision camera or night vision
system that you know, you can actually make these things out.
They do seem to be accompanying the drones, you know,
and this is what we had observed back in November
of twenty twenty two. It looked like drones swarm out
there and it all lasted for three weeks. That was it.
After that three week period, the drud, the the the
objects that look like drones, they just suddenly disappeared. They
weren't there. We were just looking at these other objects
that were characteristic of what we've been seeing over the
last three years. And that's a thing I wanted to
clarify as we were putting everything on basket. But there
is what we were seeing. The two types of objects.
There was these drone like objects that would flash, that
would they would you would see more than one a
single light. And then it was these orb like objects
or orbs that were just a single light. And then
the or these orb like objects would have more bizarre
characteristics and behaviors. And the drone like objects. We're talking
about these things that we were a little as look
at behavior. I want to go back on. The equipment
is to tract these objects. We were using active radar.
We're using two types of radar x M y axis
radar on two different geometries so we can get a
better profile of these We were also using uh million
meter wave radar portable radars to detect them. Anything diskies
that you want to use radar besides the hyph perspectual
cameras to see them with you know, whether it were
visible or they win the infrared range or in the ultraviolet.
You know, we were using hyperspectual cameras to attract the
to to detect them and try act them. And that's
how we arrived at the objects. We're talking about the
two types of objects.
Speaker 6: So so you know, Richard earlier uh gate went through
a mini inventory of equipment and supplies that he would
use for his investigations. And and and you two are
using innovative technologies to detect these objects where people with
plane vision can't detect them. And you you are sharing
with us additional effects uh what you described as uh
neuromuscular effects as well as electronic jamming. What what we
haven't talked about, are you know, drone surveillance to your
to your knowledge, have you observed any drone activity that
seems to be ours trying to make an identification of
what this is or have you sent up a drone yourself.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's the interesting part. I mean, we haven't.
We haven't sent up our own drone. We've had plenty
of suggestions to do that, which we haven't done yet,
but uh, we are detecting with the spectrum analyzes a
certain carrier frequency which is not it's not really indicative
of of of the drone remote access drone remote controls.
You know, the frequencies typically you know, it's with smaller drones, microdrones,
mini drones that you know, you're talking anything like nine
hundred megaherts on up. You know, so these frequencies can
be in they can be in bundles of three to
four gigaherts. They can be one to two gigaherts. They
can also be as high up as as one hundred
and thirty gig arts up the chain. So it's said,
you know, the frequencies can be extremely high, but nothing
that we've observed so far, especially with the with the
the the high counts that were seeing out there at
that time. You know, we couldn't correlate any specific, uh
spectrums of frequencies that could have been used for control.
You know, it's they're very difficult to see and these
particular frequencies are they're high in amplitude, but they're they're
almost like transience. They're almost like pilot signals and there's
there doesn't seem to be any intelligence around it that
is doing any real control unless they're they're they're putting
putting a pilot signal out there when they're in close
proximity to each other or or or an aircraft. You know,
I don't know, and I want to clarify what John's
talking about. These talking about transmitting signals to get these
these side bands, so frequencies that that are there that
are uh that's carrying data, they're they're they're intelligence. It's
called intelligence. But you get these side band frequencies weeketings,
these now pulses, when these when these when he's drawn
like objects are out and they're they usually pop in
at about one point seven gig yards and one gi guards.
They usually they're they're dual signals that pop up when
these things are out. They're always a company one one
accompanies the other. The largest signals at one point seventy
nine and one point seventy five gig ards and and
you have a one point eighty one which is at
a much lower amplitude, but they seem to occur together.
That's the only thing that we're picking up out in
the field. You know, when we're seeing high traffic areas
and in our typical and normal r F transmitting fre
you know, right right regular frequencies are drug typical drones.
And it seems to be patterns with you know, with
with magnetominis as well. It's not just not just the
r F frequencies that we're seeing. We're seeing a specific
pattern with the magnetomitis as well as the ultrasonic detection
systems that we have as well. So there seems to
be some correlation which we're still trying to figure out
what's still working on at this point. But getting back
as far as you know, uh, you know, uh, the
tactle equipment that that we know we're trying to to
you know, to basically rally for is the is for
the police departments to have, you know, emergency management, to
have some kind of systems that they may eliminate some
of those those wild guesses as far as you know,
what it is that they're encountering and that sort of thing.
You know, we highly recommend night vision cameras, which are
a near infrared or a short wave of infrared, the
type of stuff that the law enforcementory has. Speed guns
are very important. The radars themselves and no meter wave
radar between twenty four gigahertz and thirty six or two
different types. I think they use stalker and they have
a range of about a mile and a half to
two miles, something the size of an suv and something
the size of an airliner or something aside of a
tractor trailer. You can go out almost three miles for
detection capability. Now, it doesn't matter whether these objects are
moving very quickly, you know, the only thing that we're
concerned about, and the thing that we're interested in is
whether or not they're producing Adoptler effect, the reflection from
the radar. It's just something tangible. It is something that
has masks any whether you hear a chirp, well, you
hear a Doppler changing sounds of frequency changing. Those are
the kind of things that are important to us because
it's it's more than just a plasma. It's more than
just a you know, uh, you know, swamp gas. You know.
And I want to back up with something here. Many
of the police forces, like in Orange County, I know
they were doing it. I think they're doing Monmouth County,
New Jersey, the sheriff's departments, they were using the They
did have a mobile command unit drone unit that they
were deploying. I know they were looking at ADSB data
to track planes manned aircraft. They were launching their own
drone six foot industrial drones with both flear and and
a standard camera system on it. And they were getting
and they were giving some unusual things. They actually have
a video of an object that was oval shaped. It
was a greenish color, greenish shoe to it. It had
a yellow red beacon in the front head and it
had one on the bottom which weren't always on. They
would would occasionally flash in the direction of travel of
the object.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 8: They also talked about these objects having no thermal signature,
odd flight behaviors such as speeding towards their drone they
launched and and stopping, making a one eighty degrees turn
around it back, shooting back off in the distance that
shooting back towards the drone again and making you turn
around it. So it's it's distant fit normal and no
and no sounds and no sound yet. So they were
detecting with Chris and they were were doing their due
diligence detect and detecting. You know these you know you know,
going out and investigating and trying to So they're doing
a pretty good job with what they have as far
as Yeah, and they've reported this, and they've reported this,
but it seems to I've gone, you know, kind of ignored.
I guess.
Speaker 6: So, so, Jerry and John, if you can give us
a kind of a scenario, an actual situation. You just
gave us a good description. But at some point we're
going to show some video of an experience that you had.
Can you tell us about a significant experience that we
might be able to see on video or photo that
would provide us some visual context?
Speaker 8: Sure?
Speaker 1: Do we want to play the play the video that
you guys send? Yes, yes, Okay, Yeah, we'll do that
and then yeah, I mean you can I kind of
over it. Here here we go and the recent wrong one.
Speaker 8: Okay, so this was back in November twenty twenty two,
I think it's November twelfth. What we're seeing is we're
seeing these objects that that we were off on the
Fire Island Notional Seashore. It's a barrier island off of
Long Island, and you're seeing these clusters of objects there
were some of them are very loaded the water. Here's
something that we're drone was drone like, and what it's
doing is it's shining some kind of us There's there's
another light object flashing off to the side of it,
and it looks like it's trying to observe this object
by using these search beams. And you see it lighting
up a cloud down here, you know, whether an anti
collision lights or something else. But they're extremely bright. It's
a but there's a dude. Actually, they were actually shining
search beams flatterally and these and these drones, you know,
drones typically of five hundred loomings as far as their
lighting system. And here's what here's a lot this is
a drone like object. Again, it's pulsing. There's a little
object that's very low low over the water. There's no
one that's flashing. It's sitting on the water. Yeah, so
you'll see that the object just below it is an
orb and the object above that we believe to be
this that's throne like objects that appeared to be they're
flashing there. And the same can be said with these
two objects here you have one.
Speaker 6: Was there any indication that the any of these drones
were operated by you know, any of our government or
or you know, any known entity or.
Speaker 8: Non that's that was the issue with the with the
spectrum analyzes. We we couldn't get you know, we would
we expected to see some kind of a remote transmission
around it, you know, that would give its commands and
that sort of thing, some intelligence of you know, directionality
and so forth, some control signals. But we saw nothing.
And so the other thing what looked like pilot signals.
The other thing I wanted to talk about, we did
do a deep dive on that. We had an investigator
with us, Donald lie Ardo. She once worked as a
private investigator. She actually checked in with the DHS, She
checked in with with with the WAAR Enforcement Marine Bureau.
She checked in with a Coastguard. She checked in with
many of the other agencies. Nobody would would respond take
responsibility for these objects.
Speaker 6: I see, and I noticed that there was a light
flashing what seemed to be from whoever's taking this footage.
Speaker 7: What was the objective of shining the light?
Speaker 8: All right? So what we're trying to do is we're
we're trying to hit back. We've we've seen in the
past where if we've hit it with a torch, a
visible torch or an infrared torch, you know, move that
light that emitter in front of the objects or or
against the objects to see if they're reflecting light back. Yeah,
we also want to we also want to see the structure.
We want to see if the structure. We also want
to determine the range, because we know what the range
of the of the of the torches, We know what
the range of the the I R emitterus, you know,
and they're like there was one in thirteen hundred meters,
the other one was a little bit more. So we know,
you know how far they can penetrate output before you
get a reflection. So we were looking for that, and
of course we got it. We were we were reflecting
light back from these objects, the objects that didn't give
us any visible signature when it was when we hit
it with a visible torch, we could see a reflection
coming back from that object, you know, So if the
object went dark, we were able to illuminate it to
some extent and see it. And if you if you,
like I said, if you take enough time to look
at this video, this is to what we were seeing.
There looks like two types of objects out there, two
distinct patterns two distinct objects. There's a drone like objects.
We see the flash patterns and you see this looks
like search slights, toll look like the surveiling or looking
looking at these orbs. But these these objects appear to
be orbs, are a single source of light and the
sphericle is herrable, right.
Speaker 1: And we'd be.
Speaker 8: Tracking these these orbs with night vision, night vision cameras,
night vision goggles, so we could see them, and we
could see with the motion of the orbs if they
would move in a certain direction. It seemed like these
these these drone like objects would basically follow the same
course almost in a pursuit or surveillance operation.
Speaker 6: And what did what did the drones look like when
you were not using the night vision camera or the
I our camera.
Speaker 8: So the thing is we we couldn't identify anything other
than the bright light. There was just bright light that
were on the object itself. Never saw structure, We never
heard them those sounds, sounds. We could never see the structure.
Even with the now, even with the Fleer camera, the
long wave thermal camera. You know, we would expect to
see a thermal signature. Well we didn't get that. We
didn't get that. Yeah, you know so, and it's got long.
Speaker 6: But how long did this observation.
Speaker 8: Last we're seeing both types of objects, it was it
was about two weeks in November of twenty twenty two,
and it was another uh I think it was a
week in October, the end of ox. Yeah, and at
the end of October and in the drone like objects
couldn't see again, but we continued to see these orbs.
Speaker 7: For the video that we just saw.
Speaker 6: For the video that we just saw, how long were
those drones and that was all over the water?
Speaker 7: Correct?
Speaker 8: Right? Yes?
Speaker 3: Okay, how long.
Speaker 7: Were those drones hovering over the water.
Speaker 8: They were out there, They were out there from seven
to probably uh eleven o'clock, eleven thirty eleven eleven thirty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and were you out there the entire time to
have visual that they did not go to another place
and redeploy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we be out there all night and eventually they
just they just kind of they kind of disappeared, Okay,
and because they we don't and it maybe because they
shut their you know, they're lighting down, or or they
changed their spectral signatures, but they weren't there right, right,
And and there's a Like I said, these these times
are pretty well defined. I mean it's seven o'clock, you know,
seven o'clock at night till almost twelve o'clock at night.
You know, it's well, this is this is just for
the drone like ops, just for the drone. We could
see that could go all night long. We'd see case.
They'd be sporad occasionally spak, pomp in and out, appear
and disappear.
Speaker 6: All right, so five hours or more over the water,
no appearance signs of uh redeployment and uh and to
your knowledge, have you ever seen anything uh like that
before that we can uh account for in our inventory.
Speaker 8: No, No, nothing like that. It's uh, there's the sheer
number of them out there. I mean, I mean that
night we were seeing anywhere between you know, fish fifteen
to thirty and they could loiter for long periods of time,
for hours, you know, and very bright lights that would
running I mean you were running down a battery sauce
right bright. The lights are extremely bright. Yeah, yeah, that's uh.
That's the other thing. It's not typical drones. Yeah, I
mean so certainly not commercial drones. If anything. These are
large drones and obviously to have the capacity to run
those bright lights, which is not to be better than
five hundred womens.
Speaker 6: You know, it has to do, all right, And Jerry
and John, this is this is fantastic work. Uh. It
would be great to see similar footage capture captured by
other investigators in other parts of the country, other parts
of the world.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 6: So we appreciate the work that you're doing. What's next
in your investigations? What what do you have plan next?
Speaker 8: So you know we're trying to work with of course, uh,
you know, law enforcement and uh, you know, other agencies
as well as far as you know, putting together some
kind of a means of of of testing this stuff,
of measuring it. You know, it's uh, well detecting it,
you know, something coming up with some kind of a
methodology and uh you know there's a couple of things
that you know, we'd like to suggest right away. And
that's you know, with the possibility of uv C burns,
you know, which is uh, we've actually had detections out
there with the UVC detector. Now, our detector is very sensitive.
It's i mean it can see it can see the
fire the size of a of a campfire from from
almost twenty five thousand feet, you know, So it's it's
it's very very sensitive in that regard. UVC detection is
primary for plasmas, coronal discharges, arcs, something that's giving off.
I know, there's been some observations and then you know
in the past where they were reported as having a
buzzing sound and a bluish glow around them, which you
know could be very much indicative of of of UVC
and VC pattern And I want to mention something of
that that we we actually had our own observation. We
have a video of an object had a bluist hue
to it. It was it was flickering and it was rotating,
it was it was traveling along the shoreline, and we
have had a the UVC detector out there and it
actually triggered the UVC detector three times, which indicated this
was either giving up some kind of corona discharge, a
high voltage electrical discharge, or it was some kind of
plasma sheath around the object. But it was it was
an orb but spherical, bluish spherical objects, right and and
and so that's that's you know, not a not a
hazard apparently, so we have it.
Speaker 6: We have a ton of questions. Uh, And I just
want to point something out. You guys have done some
amazing work you did. You were very articulate, uh in
explaining your process for anyone who woke up halfway through
or at the end of physics class. Uh, it probably
went way over the head. But this is the importance
of having our best and brightest conduct these investigations. So
I want to turn to back to Matt. We have
quite a few questions, and we apologize in advance if
we don't answer every question in full.
Speaker 7: But Matt, please give us the questions that you have.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, great, yeah, so yeah, folks, thanks thanks
for all the questions. Quite a few of them here.
Some are just comments. Jackson, matt Ford, you're a patriot
everyone as a guest on the show Our Patriots Metrospect,
thank you very much for that. Sylvie Goathier. Drones are
showing up all over the world. How come this is
not a worldwide concern? Who wants to take that?
Speaker 8: That's what we'd like to know. That's really good. That's
a really good question.
Speaker 9: I think it probably is a worldwide concern, you know, Okay, I.
Speaker 6: Think the consensus is that it should be a worldwide concern.
That's why we're holding this panel discussion to advocate for
clarity on what reports are being made to the frequency
and type of activity that is being reported. And you
know the importance of having a preparedness, a response preparedness
plan for these ongoing encourages.
Speaker 1: Absolutely have a question here for all when will when?
When will you podcasters begin to push people like put
Off and other people who clearly have some hard answers
for evidence. That's good, but we I don't quite understand it.
But yes, hey, I get help put Off on the show. Absolutely,
friend of the show, David Smith? Smiths or Smith? Or
does the panel think we are seeing human made drones
using some reverse engineered exotic tech from adversaries or from
US or both?
Speaker 6: Richard, I'm one asked that you respond to that game.
Speaker 9: Well, I think that it's a culmination of all the above.
There's clearly some you know, man made vehicles, if you will,
And I think that you know, the real you know,
what you guys are seeing in your instruments is there's
like more than one, uh, there's more than one phenomena
occurring at the same time, you know. And so yeah,
I think it's probably a combination of the above and
just the other point with you know, when somebody said
about the worldwide phenomena, one of the things I thought
was kind of ludicrous is the fact that they're saying
the FAA approved it. But you know, a logistical standpoint,
they don't have much to do with the other parts
of the world.
Speaker 1: That's that's for sure. Richard Chaffee. Any electronic interference.
Speaker 9: At all, are you asking me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say yeah, probably for Jerry and John.
Speaker 8: Yes, we've we've had instances of electromagan interference on the
hyperspectual equipment. In one case, it caused one of our
pieces of going to actually fail.
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think it was intentional or
just a byproduct? Like did it did it feel like
it was targeted?
Speaker 8: We're not really sure. In that case, it could have
been a by product, but we're not sure. Yeah, I mean,
it's a you know, the you know, the field itself.
It's when we you know, we had one of the
cameras down by the water. It had a plastic enclosure.
Most of the cameras that we you know, use it.
We try to go with the metal enclosure. We try
to wrap into some kind of a Faraday cage, if
you will, some kind of a E M P shield,
because we have had camera batteries that were failing when
they should have you know, uh, if it should have
lasted four hours and we got maybe an hour out
of it or less, and then all of a sudden,
as if you leave the battery on a shelf somewhere
for a while, it would basically seemed to almost like
repolarize and and operate normally, which is unusual, you know.
Speaker 9: And I could also add that, I'm sorry, I could
add that the car. There's been cases where we've had
cars that are disabled where it literally just shoves the whole.
Speaker 8: Car right right, So it's uh so these are the
kind of things, and especially with our radar systems, we've
had some very unusual interference patterns, uh which look like
they look like radial streaks, uh from the center where
the where the the the r V would be the
mobile lab and outward in the distance, you'd you'd see
these these uh linear linear patterns of lines that were
generated by you know, multiple reflections.
Speaker 1: All right, let's see here again another one. Jordan Lee
A fantastic show, guys, Thank thank you so much pairs
of diamonds? Uh? Have any men men in black come
to town at that occurrence? Not sure which occurrence, but
any men in black?
Speaker 8: In our case, we were out a couple of times.
We were out there. There was we have a permit
to be out there, so they actually bar the public
from staying being out there past six o'clock. Seven o'clock
they actually told to leave. They made the lete by
the the park police. We actually had some vehicles out
there about mid others midnight one night. Then they were
out there. They actually formed an arc around our vehicle.
They had had attended windows, They had their high beams
on so they could see us, but we couldn't see them.
There were people moving out of the vehicles looking over
but we we had turned the lights on on a
canusil let them know that we were filming, so which
maybe keep us kept us safe. They were out there
for maybe an hour. Then they left and it happened
I think twice unusual activity, you know, so I don't
know who did.
Speaker 9: They have government license plates on the cars g plates We.
Speaker 8: Could see was there was black. There were black suburbans
as black. You have black saburn you couldn't see the plates,
you know. Yeah, I'm not sure why you couldn't see it.
And they were curious about what we were doing out there.
Speaker 1: And I take it you guys didn't go up and
offer them, offer them a diet coke or anything like that.
Speaker 8: No, we we show us our phone, cell phones and
our cameras on our vehicle. Make sure they sort of
lighting on it, that everything was being filmed to.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. Okay, let's see here, uh that Okay, hold on
a second, all right, let's see tim, any any spectrum
data on the on the lighting uh itself? Any? Uh? Yeah,
I mean that's actually a really good question. Any any
any anything on the spectrum wise that would tell you,
like how pure the light is, Was it always the
same frequency, et cetera.
Speaker 8: Yes, Yeah. So the the interesting thing is that we're
actually we're in a in a process of submitting another
paper with using uh uh spectrographs or radio spectroscopy, doing
radio spectroscopy on on these on these the the the
lights themselves, and of course with the you know, we're
using a certain kind of spectrometer that can go from
the u v C down to one hundred and ninety
four nanometers on up to almost twelve hundred nanometers up
in the I R I R range. So so it
covers a large swath of frequencies from visible light to
U V to I R and it takes the I
R into the into the shortwave infrared. So what we're
trying to do is put together a system of UH
determining signatures of planes of u of drones. Because those
lighting metal Halie lighting systems or or lead lighting systems,
they all have unique spectral signatures spectral footprints. We should
be able to tell right away whether it's a typical
halagen light that's being used on a on a plane
or if it's something else, or if it's a plasma
specific frequency very can detect. We're in a proceslect The
radio spectroscopy came later because it was based on funding,
which you know wasn't always available to us. We had
actually had a funded and helped us with that, and
that was the last piece of equipment we bough up.
And right now we're actually you're running the tests to
put together a pattern of signatures so we can identify
MANDA air craft from drones from to possibly if something
else that maybe run maybe it's a plasma powered electrical power,
you know, So they're every every light, every lighting system
that is out there has its own unique signature, and
that's what we're trying to determine, you know, what those
signatures are.
Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, Sarah? Why are most reporters not pushing
when the answer for what the drones are is clearly
be as? So they being intimidated or are they just
rolling over Chris? Why don't why don't you take that one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, obviously it's very infuriating.
It's frustrating that, you know, a lot of these journalists
aren't taking it very serious or they're not pursuing in
any way. But there are a few out there out
there that are doing a good job, and obviously hopefully
they can help us get to the bottom of it.
You know, obviously you Matt Ross and just just people
like that or need to continue to pursue it. But
I think the lady, I think the mainstream media is
just kind of a it's a dead horse. You just
don't know what to think anymore when they when they
put out their information, you don't know if it's gonna
be fake or wrong or if there's a bias agenda
to it, you just you just don't know. And for
the most part, I don't watch mainstream media anymore. I
I come to I come to you guys. I come
to the that third party because you guys are telling
the truth, or at least trying to get to the
bottom of the truth.
Speaker 1: Richard, what are your what are your thoughts on that? Well?
Speaker 9: I was thinking a couple of things. One was last
year at the SCU conference, I got to meet Ross
Colhart and he did a really nice presentation and people
were asking that question, you know, what's going on? Why
is the media doing this? And basically he said that
he did an interview with Gary Nolan and on his
show and it got three point two million views, you know,
And I was thinking, the last time that happened was like,
you know, when during nine to eleven or when Cronkite
told everybody that President Kennedy had been assassinated. So I
think that what you know, what you're saying, I personally
don't watch the news anymore, and most people I talked
to are basically they don't believe them. I had to,
you know, and I'm not going to say who it
was but but but recently I had an occasion to
be with one of the individuals who's one of the
primetime you know, news network guys on six o'clock news,
and I was with him for a couple hours and
I was talking to him about my books and he
seemed he seemed quite interested in it. But he told
me pretty blatantly, because Richard, this none of this stuff
ever comes across my desk. And I think what you're
dealing with is a lot of these network people, you know,
they come in the morning and they've got an agenda,
you know somebody, you know, they've got researchers, and they go, Okay,
today we're going to go here and we're going to
talk at these people about this and that, and you know,
their days pretty well planned out. And I think those
individuals probably you know, they're they probably much do whatever
their feed is, and so I if there's something going on,
it's probably more on the network level where they're just saying, hey,
you know, don't talk about this or don't talk about that.
But some of the he was quite interested and surprised
because I was really you know, going on about the
history of it and all the research that i'd done
and the UFO cases I worked on, and and I
mean he just didn't seem to know very much about it,
which surprised me.
Speaker 1: Got it, okay, ras mataz Hi. Do you think that
the only way we'll have real disclosure is if a
adversary is if one of our adversary goes first? Who
wants to take that or has thoughts?
Speaker 9: I know that's one of the concerns that you know,
is that with disclosure, there's always the possibility if they
don't at some point step up to the plate and
deal with it, one of our foreign adversaries, the Russians
or the Chinese, are going to jump in front of
us and get in the spotlight and and and and
basically pull the trigger on it. And then it's going
to make the rest make us look like we weren't,
you know, we weren't on target or paying attention.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Lisa McNally, here's a question for the the Di
Deesco d d s El. I can't spell very well
the to Deesco brothers. Do they think that they are
looking at UAP or drones?
Speaker 8: Well, to us, it's all it's all UAP because it's
unidentified anomalist phenomena. So whether it's drones or it's something else,
non human intelligence or or whatever, I mean, it's the
same thing to us. We're just kind of trying to
figure out what's the source and and and it's properties right, right,
and and and nobody at this point it seems to
have much of a clue other than you know, I
mean some of the stuff that they're saying that the
typical commercial traffic and that sort of thing. Yeah, it
probably is a fair amount of commercial traffic out there,
but you know, there's also some observations that have been
made by you know, pretty incredibly credible people that that
you just can't simply dismiss. Yeah, I mean it's it's
it's not just reports from the public, which are thousands.
Was well over five thousand reports just in the Northeast,
and it's I know it was high than that, But
there was also just the very sheriff's departments who coordinated.
They like I said, they had they had their own
drone units. They were doing it. They were doing the
due diligence. There was a state police that were doing it.
They were actually going up in helicopters and making uh,
you know, close proximity observations, these things, uh, and these
other agencies involved. You know, it's uh, you can't just
you can't just you know, just score it off on
the scrappaple.
Speaker 1: Understood, Okay, Andy, two dogs always a great show, Matt,
thank you for that compliment. Lisa McNally, do you think
they are far too advanced to be man made? What?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 1: You know what's being observed? Chris, what are your thoughts
with what you saw firsthand in Nebraska?
Speaker 3: Well, the one night that I saw the the big
light in the sky just going super super fast. I'm
pretty familiar with drones just from my military backgrounds. I'm
not an expert on it, but the no noise, the
the size of the light, it just doesn't seem like
we as a human species are at that level of technology.
And some of the other things that were reported by
other deputies in different counties, what they seen or what
they took down, witness statements, that technology just doesn't seem
like you're your man made stuff, you know, like John
and Jerry said, it's probably a mixture of stuff. It's
probably drones and something of Nhi. I just I just
don't know, but I would I would like to figure
out what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, and then while I'm switching the show here,
of course I hit hit the wrong button. But we
had a couple of skills from you and John and Jerry.
What is that I forgot to show earlier? What are
we looking at here?
Speaker 8: Okay? So here's We were actually heading towards Robin Mose
the State Park. It was on the fire on Nationals
Shore and on the way we were seeing these objects
these if you look to the left, one at the
tree line and one above the tree line. These two lights,
they're kind of bright. They were hovering in the air
for for a long period of time, at least a
half hour wow, before fading out disappearing right, and the
note star is nothing like that. You know. We used
hilariot area mapping and and and of course there was
these things remained stationary. Why the rest of the constellations
would do that thing, you know, and the movement so
you know, it was just and this was actually at
Robert Moses State Park, which is seeing to the left.
To the to the left is an aircraft is an
airliner which we were tracking on radar. And of course
there's this some video, uh, compression issues because there's a
cell phone cameras to the right of it, you'll see it,
or a black object that we couldn't track on radar.
It was invisible to our radar. Yeah, no thermals, no
thermal signature. You know, this is an object that was
a we cinema drone like there was. It was three
lights that descended that something appeared diskyd descended towards the water.
They didn't flashy, they just kind of it was three
three old Eddy, steady steady stay lights. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, great health plan, uh health plan. Fantastic channel.
Very much appreciate all who honestly add to the space.
Really appreciate that compliment. Reality Check Vip Todasco Brothers. What
were your thoughts about the red blue gravity shifts?
Speaker 8: So, you know, we had recently wrote that paper and
it's uh, we had noticed over the period of three
years that we were doing this research, is that there
was an interesting phenomenon around the lights themselves, these orbs,
and they seem to have a kaleidoscope appearance to them.
When we looked at it, you know, frame by frame
you could see that these objects it wasn't just changing color,
but there was specific colors. They were changing red and blue.
You know, when the object would move away from you,
it would red shift, and as the object moved towards you,
whether it was rotating or just moving in your direction,
it would blue shift. Then we started to see also
some unusual activity with the propagation of our radar signals,
the marine based radar, which is three centimeters beam they
call it X band, which is a small beam that
they use on ships to determine weather conditions and biomass
and all that other stuff. You know, So you know,
this is the kind of thing that you know, we
were getting some odd returns. And these odd returns were
a signal that would come back late, and the signal
would come back late, but didn't lose any any gain.
It was the signal would come back at at an
amplitude that was very much in line with what was
being transmitted. There was the same energy level. Yeah, that
energy level didn't dissipate at all, which we would expect
that to happen if it was coming back several seconds late.
And this is a phenomenon that's been called it's called
long delay echoes. It's a delay in the return of
the radar signal, which is something's causing that delay, and
it usually occurred when one of these warblike objects would
be within the line of it was in the line
of sight. Yeah, so we use it. We use a
ship as a reference, a large ship out there. We'd
bounce a radar signal off the ship, and if we
saw these objects in the line of sight between the
ship and the radar mantana the scanner, we would look
for these effects. And it was statistically significant because I
would say seven out of ten times we get we
get an interference pattern when these objects were in the
line of sight of of of the ship, which is uh,
which is bizarre. And it's not just the radar, it's
uh it seems to be occurring with GPS signals as well,
and light ruh and light r you know. So putting
this all together, you know, we're we're you know, we're
kind of surmising that this this this may have more
to do with gravitational lensing, well, gravidity type you know,
drive systems that these things are being uh that user
its propulsion systems, and we're using these four data points
to to put to you know, to uh make that
that hypothesis.
Speaker 1: Connect that case, reality check v I P. For the
Tedesco Brothers again, Uh, you ever use s d R
software to try and listen to the r S signals?
Speaker 8: Yes. So the problem with the s d R and
and and we've talked to other other engineers too that
are out in the field using these SDR radios. The
problem is the software to flying radio is that it
doesn't seem to to pick up these peak responses very well.
The ditch they they they cur they're almost like transients,
and these transient pulses have to be picked up with
a something spectrum analyzer that is expensive enough to have
a good what they call a sample rate. So in
order for it to see these very narrow occurring pulses
or transients, so spikes, you have to have something that
has the resolution they called bandwidth resolution in order to
determine that they're there. Well, I haven't seen him on
an SDR radio. Yeah, we're using what the twenty six gig,
the twenty six I think it's a twenty six gig
spectro analyze. It's a high inspects analytic.
Speaker 1: Greg how asks again for the Tedesco Brothers, are you
going to work with SkyWatch h Q headquarters to analyze
their data that they that they've asked for on X Well.
Speaker 8: Actually, Russ Coulthard had expressed Jake Barber had expressed an
interest in talking with us, so Ross Cold had had
actually gave our information to Jake. So never afraid to talk,
and we're we're open awesome.
Speaker 1: Dave Smethers asks does the panel think craft have different functions?
I ese, small surveillance drones and master craft, et cetera.
The signal frequencies reminded me of Skinwalker Ranch that I
noticed that as well, Dave, you know close to that
one point six gigahertz. The signal frequencies remind me of
Skinwalker Ranch and imply communications between the craft.
Speaker 8: Jerry and John will give that to you as well,
so that we couldn't suspect the same thing. We suspect
that there's there are pilot signals out there and they're generating, well,
we believe they may be generating these signals in order
to keep communication I guess between these objects or even
as a as a almost like a sense a maintenance
signal that lets them know if there's an aircraft in
the area or something like that. That can avoid you know,
something along those lines. There's nothing that we see that
that actually has a intelligence to it that looks like
it's a's doing any kind of controls. It looks more
and more or less like a like a like a pilot,
like like something that's just sending out a signal, and uh,
the signals is sufficient in amplitude too to uh, you know,
to give some kind of an indication, whether it's it's
it's it's receiving it from other objects, or it's bouncing
it in some way, which is it's using for some
kind of maybe you know, uh, some kind of detection
property to detection some sort and some kind of clock
pulse and to net maybe the network these are maybe
maybe the network, possibly the network the eticts together who
knows understand?
Speaker 1: Dominic also asks you guys to John and Jerry, are
they aware that our research from University on Ukraine regarding
fast objects flying in the sky they use very fast cameras.
I don't know that. Does that make sense? Yes?
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, a matter of fact, Abvi Lobin looked into
that and he kind of challenged it. He challenged their observations.
You know, after experiencing what we've experienced out there. I'm
not about to challenge their observations, you know, I think
there's something to it. Yeah, we're got to talk to
them directly, and that's something that you know, it seems
to agree with what we're seeing. As far as dark objects.
You know these there are objects that are dark. You know,
you just don't see them. Yeah, we'll be more satisfied
we talked them directly.
Speaker 1: Understood, Okay, great, Yeah, So that's that's it for the questions. Sean,
I'll hand it back over to you, but kind of
wrap all of this up all right.
Speaker 6: Well, gentlemen, I want to thank you for your participate
on this panel today. Just to summarize, Chris is proxy
for our public safety. You're a direct witness to the
incursions in twenty nineteen twenty twenty. You have some very
sensational and anomaloust descriptions that you've provided, not information that
you've gotten from anyone else but you yourself.
Speaker 7: You were there.
Speaker 6: You are also part of the investigation to gather up
witnesses and to work with our local, county, state, and
federal partners to get an idea of what this is,
and to date, we still don't have the answers that
we're looking for, but we do appreciate the effort that
you've put into this. Richard, your long history of investigations
with the federal government and your participation on this panel
to help educate the public as to the history of
reports as it relates to UAP and separating UAP from drones,
and what we need to do strategically to protect anyone
that is conducting these investigations. We appreciate your support or
and your knowledge as we engage in future endeavors to
understand and respond appropriately to this. John and Jerry, your
technical expertise is priceless. We need to replicate what you're doing.
We will support you in every way that we can,
and we ask for the public support in reaching out
to our elected officials to allocate funding for all facets
of investigators and other personnel that we would call on
to really get an understanding of this. It is a
concern that a statement is being made that this is
not a public safety hazard u and there's no there are.
All of these incursions or drone operations have been approved,
yet we have people that are reporting some level of
disability or disablement. We have vehicles that have not been
working proper really, and we have concerns from our public
citizens as to what is happening and the lack of accountability.
So if you want to continue this discussion, please go
to UAP Disclosurefund dot org slash forward slash public Safety.
We will continue this discussion and we will continue to
add resources so that if you'd like to contribute. We
need all hands in our nation and around the world
to understand this. So Matt, thank you again for having
me as your co host on the show, and I
will turn it back to you.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, well, thanks, thanks everyone. This has really been
a great, great show. I've got some thoughts I'll share
here in a minute after after we sign off here
with you guys, But yeah, sean really great job. I
thought the questions were really on point. Richard again, thank
you for coming on. And are there any any plans
for future books in along this same thing as far
as UAP and first responders.
Speaker 9: Well, right now, I'm working on a book that's basically
a culmination of cases. Every all these times when I
go out and speak and sell my books, everybody's like, well,
what about cases? Can you give us some information on cases?
So I'm working on a book right now, about halfway
through it, and it's a culmination of maybe twenty five
short stories, and they're all about cases I've worked on,
but they're told from the perspective of the person and
what they experienced and what they were feeling, and not
like investigation reports, the kind of thing where somebody tell
you why you're sitting across the dinner table. I was
on my way home and this happened, and da da
da da. But that's the next that's the next thing
in my world.
Speaker 1: Jerry and John Dedesco, sorry to disco. What's what's what's
next for the Nightcrawler research efforts?
Speaker 8: Will Well, we're working on a third paper, as we mentioned,
the radio spectroscopy paper, so we can specifically identify the
based on lighting systems these objects because use the spectral signatures.
The other thing is, uh, if we get funding, I mean,
we can take this another another direction and actually uh
investigating USOS. We would retrofit a probably a miniacht with
the same kinds of equipment, with a three hundred and
sixty degree sonar and using an r V underw're RV
we're a big dingy. Otherwise we'll stuck with a dingy
with what we can manage on there.
Speaker 9: So we're gonna call this from the water crawler or
something like that, right, Yeah, I don't Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah. And Chris, what's next for you?
Or do you expect to see any more drones out
in the Nebraska area.
Speaker 3: Anything's possible, But I left law Enforce in December to
do a private contracting job overceive, so probably believing the
country in the next couple months.
Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, absolutely stay safe. And then finally, Sean, what's
next for you?
Speaker 6: I also retired in December and am ramping up my
work with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies. The Intention
Studied team has done some great work studying similar incursions
at military atomic warfare facilities dating back from nineteen forty
five to nineteen seventy five, and we're continuing that work
to identify patterns that relate to the current incursions that
we're seeing today. What we're trying to do is understand
the signatures that are being documented by our best scientists
to develop an understanding as to what kind of control
system that is being used, whether it's a chemical control
system of some sort of gravity manipulation or something else.
So these are very novel ideas, at least to us,
but there's a lot of research that is going to
be required, and so that's what I'm going to be
spending my time doing in the near future.
Speaker 1: Fantastic and again, uh, we'll put the put the link
up for the for the UAP Disclosure Fund, folks. Yeah,
definitely definitely check out uh check that out. This this
Public Safety Task Force Group whatever it's you guys are
really really added a lot to the conversation and we
definitely appreciate you coming on spending your Sunday here and
sharing your thoughts on on this drone thing, which I
can tell you are definitely not FAA approved approved to drone.
So everyone, thanks, thanks for joining us, and have a
fantastic Sunday. Thanks Matte, Thanks awesome, good night. Okay, all right, great,
let's see here. Yeah it's uh, well, I turned everybody's
audio off here so we don't don't hear anything. Yeah,
you know, it's it's it blows me away that this
sort of gas lighting from multiple administrations is continuing. I'm
trying to give the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt.
Perhaps some bad information was fed up the chain to
to the White House, to the President. We know that
there is a long history of the Pentagon, of the
of the National Security Council lying or hiding things from
former or from current presidents. We know that there are
presidents that were never read into this, or we're maybe
possibly only partially read into the program. You know, we
had heard very early on that National Security Advisor Jake
Sullivan and members of the National Security Council decided not
to brief President Biden back when he was in power.
You know, we had heard this about i'd say, probably
about a year before the election, that that kind of
mentally he was not doing well and that this whole
knowledge would be maybe a bridge too far. Now. I
don't know if that changed following all the the Chinese balloons,
balloon Gate, all that kind of stuff. But but you know,
there is a very long history of the deep state,
if you want to call it, that these these deputy
level folks that are spread all throughout government, these these
career career folks, these senior executive service folks, and and
certain members of military leadership that that just want to
keep everybody in the dark. And it just I cannot
think really of a you know, a more American thing. Uh,
then to have the federal government gas light law enforcement
to gaslight are our first responders. It's it's really just,
you know, it's it's unconscionable. We're we're not idiots, and
I you know, I dare say. The folks are first
responders that have worked in government or for city governments
for a long time. You know, they know when they're
being lied to. And it has been crystal clear that
the federal government has been lying to our first responders.
It is crystal clear that the federal government has been
lying to uh, you know, to local and state officials
when it comes to all of this, to to the U, A, U, A, P,
s U, the gas lighting, with the drones, all of
that stuff. It's none of us are that idiotic, that
ill informed to think that all of these hundreds upon
hundreds of reports we're all just FAA approved drones. Now,
certainly there were a lot of things that I'm quite
certain were misidentifications, either planets or prosaic drones or whatnot.
But there is a large subset of this stuff that
these are not from here. I guarant Dan Tiat. The
fact that drones in what was it twenty twenty three,
twenty twenty three, December twenty twenty three, going into twenty
twenty four, we're operating with impunity over Langley Air Force
Base in Virginia. And I want to remind everybody that
Langley Air Force Base, that is the Air Force BACE
that is part of US Northcom that is responsible for
the defense, the air defense of the Capital region. So
you're telling me that hobbyist drones, I guess the hobbyists
were just coming out in just you know, in full force,
flying their drones over one of our nation's most important
air bases, so much so that the United States Air
Force had to relocate an entire wing of F twenty
two fighters, an entire wing of F twenty two fighters
that are responsible for protecting the restricted airspace over Washington.
These hobbyist drones, boyd these hobbyists shown up in force
flying drones for over a month over Langley Air Force Bace,
these hobbyist drones that the military police at Langley Air
Force Base had absolutely no luck in downing any of
these things with their electronic warfare weapons. You know, the
White House wants you to think that all of that
were nothing. But you know, Joe Blow with his with
his DGI drone, running them, running them above our nation's
most important, one of our nation's most important air force bases. It, folks,
it absolutely makes zero sense. It in many ways, if
this thing weren't such a serious national security issue. It's
almost it's almost comical that you have a White House,
this Trump administration and the previous administration that is gas
lighting Americans, that is gas lighting state officials, that is
gaslighting local officials, that is gas lighting first responders about
these drones. It is it's just absolutely ridiculous. And we
know that there is a history of these things, these uh,
these airborne vehicles of unknown origin from physically hurting people,
either through some kind of radiation exposure or both, you
know both. Richard, I think it was Richard spoke about
some of the some of the the health effects from
people getting too close to these things. Doctor Gary Nolan
of Stanford University has spoken extensively on damage that has
been observed to people's brains through MRI studies. People from
the intelligence community or other government agencies that have gotten
close to UAP and sustained physical injury. So you have
to ask yourself, well, who is who is this? Who
is our federal government really working for? Are they working
for the American people? Are they working for to protect?
Are our first responders? Are they Are they working for
the American people to to be truthful about the dangers
of these things, because if you ask me, it sure
seems that they are not. It sure seems, and I
think it's it's just blatantly obvious that they are gas
lighting all of us. They are not being truthful with
the American public. They are not being truthful with h
with local and state officials and you and frankly it's
it's I can sort of see where maybe the federal
government would uh you know, kind of you know, say
on the down low or or some classification levels as
confidential conversations with local and state officials saying, hey, folks,
this is what's really going on. We don't want, we
don't want to cause any sort of uh panic within
the public. But I can tell you that, uh, you know,
the folks that we've spoke to local and state government officials,
they weren't being told any lock of truth. And the
the frustration from these local and state officials, you could
just tell was palpable because they knew the federal government
was lying to their faces and in treating them like like, uh,
I don't know, you know, like I don't know what
what the what the issue is there, but uh, treating
them like they they don't need to know this information.
And I think that's really kind of one of the
biggest tragedies of of all of this. There is such
mistrust in the government that's been that way for quite
some time. There is, uh, you know, such skepticism towards
the mainstream media in terms of being truthful. I mean,
we've we have seen time and time again articles by
one particular reporter in the New York in the New
York Times that is clearly this guy is just parroting
propaganda that is being given given to him from the Pentagon.
There's one well known reporter that guess what, he's on
CIA payroll. I know this guy's I know exactly who
this guy is and when when a uh, one of
the sources in the intelligent in the intelligence community told
me about this individual and that he's on he's on
the payroll, and then I went and went and looked
at all of these this individual's uh uh sort of
appearances on places like CNN and others and articles this
individual has has printed, this guy that is getting paid
by the CIA. It all made sense. It's like, that's
why you're shoveling all of this bs, because you're lining
your pocket. You don't have a democracy when you know,
when you have this sort of free press that is
supposed to be free and independent doing the bidding of
their handlers in the intelligence community or in the Pentagon.
We saw this time and time again with the Pentagon
Public Affairs Officer Susan Go who would in the previous
administration hold press conferences, select press, private press conferences with
select members of the media. Guess who was frozen out?
Chris Sharp of the Liberation Times. Guess who else was
frozen out? Ross Colthart of News Nation. Guess who was
not frozen out? The New York The New York Times,
Julian Barnes, and some folks I think another guy from
Wall Street, the Wall Street Journal. It is It is
obvious because you'll see these guys like Julian Barnes put
out just absolute journalistic garbage that wouldn't even be worth
putting in the National Enquirer. I mean just it is.
It is I don't even know how this guy looks
at himself and looks at himself in the mirror when
what you read coming from Julian Barnes out of the
New York Times is I mean, it's clear it's propaganda.
It is clear that this guy is towing the line
for the Pentagon. And you know, so these these folks
from the mainstream media that continue to really just parent
propaganda by the Pentagon, by the intelligence community. It erodes,
It erodes trust in our free press. And when all
of this comes out, and it is going to come out,
you know, we know that it nearly came out during
the Church Committee back in the early nineteen seventies when
they discovered that, oh guess what, the CIA had been
paying or compensating hundreds of reporters in the American media,
including editors, heads of networks. The CIA was either paying
them directly, paying them through a cutout, or it was
a quid pro quote. In other words, if you're Julian
Barnes at the New York Times, if you want to
get if you want to get this exclusive interview with
the Secretary of Defense, I guess what we need you
to write an article for the New York Times about UAP.
Here are the talking points we would love for you
to write about in the New York Times. Wink, wink,
and lo and behold, you played ball, so you're going
to get that nice interview with the Secretary of Defense.
This is the kind of deal making that happens, and
this is the kind of cancer that is present in
our mainstream media. It is no wonder that mainstream media
is falling on its face. It is no wonder that
people are turning to our show and others and Ross
coltart and and Christopher Sharp of The Liberation Times and
George Knapp and others to tell them the truth because
the mainstream media is not all of us that are
for the truth. You know, we have no idea where
this stuff is from. I couldn't tell you. I wish
I wish I knew. But we're gonna be honest about it.
We're gonna tell you when we don't know something versus uh,
this current administration which is gas lighting or perhaps hopefully
just has bad information that was given to them about
about the drones. But you have to you have to
really take it with a grain of salt. What the
mainstream media is is telling you, and then also what
they are failing to tell you and what they are ignoring.
It is, it is. It doesn't matter what administration, if
it's Republican or Democrat. This it's it's beyond party. This
stuff is going on all the time. It has gone
on for a very long time. And you know, and
again you have to ask yourself, do they think these
folks in government that are part of this deep state?
I used to make fun of Trump and his deep
state stuff all the time. I'm a Democrat, but lo
and behold, he was right about it. It is. It
is true, and you have these folks that are doing
everything to kind of undermine all of us in terms
of learning what is truly going on. It's it is.
Speaker 8: It is.
Speaker 1: It transcends politics. It is. It is the the the
deputy level folks in DoD and IC and elsewhere, in
these different nodes of the government that are hiding this,
that are propagating this. And I want to be specific,
not everyone in the government is is guilty of this.
There are good people in the Pentagon, there are good
people in the intelligence community, in the CIA, in the UH,
in the NSSA, in the in the Department of Energy
that do want to do the right thing. They know
that this lie that has been going on for you know,
for seventy eighty years or longer, it's time that it
comes to an end. So I know that often on
this show when I when I'm sort of speaking extemporaneously,
not off of notes or anything, I sometimes make that
mistake of kind of throwing everybody into that bucket. But
there are people in government that are trying to do
the right thing, and they know that that this uh,
you know that that it's time to level with the
American people and in the world. And my message to
the Trump administration, to President Trump or Donald don Junior,
or whoever is hopefully watching this show, is you have
a unique opportunity to do what no former president has done,
which is to declassify the stuff that sits under Presidential
Emergency Action directives under the NSC. President Trump, you have
the unilateral authority to declassify anything that is in the
National Security Council that is under Presidential Emergency Action Directives
that are not anything that's classed in DOE, anything that
is under National Security Council, which half of this stuff
is classified. The UAP drone stuff, the Havana syndrome stuff,
all of that stuff sits under NSC. They're the ones
that are the classification authority. They are the ones. Anything
that is classified by that is a White House SAP,
that is a White House Special Access program that sits
in the National Security Council. No one in Congress has
the legal authority to view it, absolutely non That is
why they take things like UAP and they stuff it
in the NSC. The NSC has the legal authority to
lock it down and keep it away from Congress. So
all of this stuff that's going on, these billions upon
billions of dollars that the Pentagon is kind of squirrelling away,
hiding it, hiding what they are spending and where they
are spending it. That's how they do it. All this
stuff stuffed in the NSC or under the Department of
Energy under transclassified Foreign Nuclear information. That's how they hide
this stuff from Congress. Congress cannot do its job of oversight,
of a fiscal oversight of what is going on with
this government when all of this stuff billions of dollars,
is being squirreled away under waved special access programs or
waived and acknowledged special access programs that's stuffed into the
National Security Council. That's how they hide this stuff. That's
how they are taking your tax dollars, your hard earned
tax dollars. All of you, who, like most Americans, are
having a hell of a hard time making ends meet,
having a hell of a hard time putting food on
the table, all of this pork spending. That is, you know,
you have this fifty thousand dollars hammer or whatever it
is from a Boeing aircraft company, or ten thousand dollars bolt.
I guarantee you ninety five percent of the cost of
those parts ghost to some special access program that is
off the books. So that fifty thousand dollars hammer, will
just say forty nine thousand dollars is going into the
into the back pocket of some special access program that
the Pentagon does not want Congress or the American public
to know about. So you want to you want to
know why the Pentagon continues to fail every audit. You
want to you want to know why the Pentagon can
apparently not account. I think it's either fifty or sixty percent.
It's somewhere right at the halfway mark. The Pentagon cannot
account for physical assets. They don't know where stuff is.
You got to be kidding me. Fifty to sixty percent
they cannot figure out where it's at. And which makes
you wonder if the if the Pentagon, the I see
has been lying to all of us about the UAP issue,
about the drone issue, and and uh, you know who knows,
who knows what else that would explain, you know, stuff doesn't.
Stuff doesn't. Money doesn't grow on trees. Money comes from you,
the taxpayer, and it gets funneled into areas that you
don't know about. And Congress doesn't either. I certainly hope
this this new commission or task force by Representative Anna
Polina Luna, who are we are very very supportive of this.
We think this is a good move. But I am
hopeful that the Chair of the House Oversight Committee, James Comer,
will be very generous in issuing subpoenas. Two folks that
have worked this topic, people that have maybe supervised the
Office of Global Acts US and the CIA and other
other other programs that are run under the CIA Directorate
of Science and Technology. I certainly hope that Congressman Comer
will at the encouragement by Annapolina Luna a subpoena a
bunch of folks and bring them in and put them
on uh, put them in front of the committee and
ask them under oath very very specific questions. Because the
minute you bring these folks and you don't ask them
under oath uh, and you don't bring the right people in?
Who who you bring in someone that does have plausible deniability? Uh?
You know there, you know they can they can claim
that they don't know anything. UH. And it is it
is important. You can't bring these people in and trust
that they are going to tell you the truth. There
has to be a legal mechanism, under the threat of
perjury to to sort of what words, you know, just
to really force them to speak the truth.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 1: They you can't just bring them in and expect them
to be honest. Uh. I've been told that in the
security classification guides of of uh you know, most special
access programs, it it tells them specifically, if you are
caught uh or something happens, this is the lie that
you are to say. It's in the it's in a playbook,
it's in a freak combinder of if you get called
to testify in front of Congress and you're not under oath.
This is how you explain away this special access program.
This is the gamesmanship that they have to make sure
that members of Congress do not find uh find out
what the truth is. So Congress, you cannot do your
job unless your legislation has enforcement mechanisms, unless your legislation
has teeth, unless your legislation has uh has they to
hold these people to account because guess what, for eighty years,
they have had all this time to perfect their game.
They have had all of these years to perfect this
show game that they are playing with with Congress and
the American public. And until we demand answers, it's going
to be more of the same. And my message to
all of the Republicans out there, especially the Maga Republicans,
you have a seat at the table with this administration.
You are the ones that got Trump elected. You have
a voice and you can say to this administration President Trump,
we love you, we voted for you, but you promised
us the truth, and we know that you are not
being straight with us about this whole drone thing. All
of the Maga folks, you have unique opportunity to have
a conversation with a president who is frankly seems a
little more open to listening to uh uh to his
supporters than than some of the folks in previous administras.
Some of the presidents and previous administrations take advantage of that.
Tell this administration that you want the truth. I know
for a fact, Don Junior is very much for this.
Don Junior, r fk uh. These folks are our proponents
of getting this stuff out. Secretary of State Marco Rubio,
he was fully read into this, into the uh into
the deep legacy program during during the last Trump administration.
He knows everything. He knows everything. Marco Rubio knows everything.
So the other folks that are in the Trump administration, uh,
John Ratcliffe and others, they all know, they were all
read in. So President Trump, you have a unique opportunity.
You have people that are your your your main proponents,
that are the main folks on your on your team
that feel that this needs needs to come out. And again,
President Trump, I used to think your stuff about the
deep State was a load of bs, but it's not.
And there is no better demonstration, there is no better
way of proving your whole thing about the deep State
than the uap drone issue. You declassify that stuff that's
in uh, that's in the n SC that you have
the legal authority, do you latterly, do you will prove
to the world, into the American public, that what you
have been saying about this deep state stuff is actually true.
It is It is your political get out of jail
card for you if well, I'm not going to elaborate
anymore on that, but but you have this opportunity to
make your case and show that there is proof in
the pudding. So there you go. So again, folks, if
you are you know, if you are a MAGA person
and been active in this president's re election campaign, let
these folks know, Let the administration know that you deserve
to know the truth. The American people deserve to know
the truth. This transcends, This transcends party. Doesn't matter if
you're Democrat, Republican, or anything in between. We are all Americans.
We all love our country. We all deserve the truth.
We all deserve to know what information we need to
know to protect our families, to protect the health and
safety of our first responders. We all deserve Our elected
elected government officials in state and city deserve to know
the truth. Let them know that. Let them know that
because we, as Loue El Azondo I believe said, we
can handle the truth. We are ready for it. So
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