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Speaker 1: And now Audio Theater Central.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to Audio Theater Central. This is the show

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that explores family friendly audio drama through news, reviews and interviews.

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I'm your host, JD. Sutter. This is episode two hundred

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and twelve. This is going to be a fun one.

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We've got some audio drama updates to get to here shortly.

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Lots of exciting things happening. I've got some feedback from Blake,

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Jeremy and PJ to get to at the end of

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the episode. But before that, ATC contributor Michael Schrader is

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going to be joining me for a review of album

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seventy six of Adventures in Odyssey Keep It Together. So

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it's going to be a fun discussion. But first let's

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jump into the updates.

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Speaker 1: We interrupt this program to bring you a special report.

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Speaker 2: And in other news tonight.

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Speaker 1: A brief look at the headlines. Now.

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Speaker 3: They want exciting, fast piece news that's relevant and entertaining

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like this.

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Speaker 2: Just a quick little reminder as always, if you have

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some news about an upcoming or recently released family friendly

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audio drama that you want to let us know about

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that we can share with this community, please let us know.

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Head over to our news submission form at PFM, dot

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link slash atc News or click the button in the

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sidebar on our website, and we would love to check

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out what you've got going on. Well, let's jump into

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a few recent releases to kick things off. First of all,

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some exciting news. A Bit of time Travel is back.

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They've released a new episode, their first episode since twenty

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twenty one, and it's called The Light and the synopsis

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is a young man named Lawrence Hartwright travels to nineteen

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fourteen to commit a murder. Oh my goodness, exciting stuff.

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Ben Kimp is the writer, director, and sound designer of

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this series and this episode in particular. He let us

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know we hope to release more episodes later this year,

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so more coming from this show. I love this show

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so much. It's one of my favorite independent audio dramas.

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Ben is a great writer and the way he approaches

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this anthology show with just really interesting uses of time travel.

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Every episode is a different sort of story and setting

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and they're just also interesting. And in case you don't know,

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I was privileged to be able to play a lead

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character in one of the early episodes. So it's a

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great show. If you haven't checked it, out. Check it out,

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and ATC contributor Christopher Green wrote a review of the show,

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which is linked in the show notes if you want

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to check that out. But excited to have a new

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episode from this series a bit of time travel and

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the cast in this one includes Mark LaPoint, Thomas Sargent,

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Kim Rasmussen, Tricia Rose, Bethany Baldwin, and Benjamin Crispin. And

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the music was composed by Cole Brumley, who he may

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know from his Adventures Nodyssey podcast All Things Adventures Odyssey.

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So again, check this out. It's called The Light. There's

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a link to it's listing on Podchaser, so you can

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subscribe in your favorite podcast app. And it will be

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also coming to Drama Fi very soon as well. And

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if you'd like to hear my initial reaction to this,

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it's in ATC backstage. Next up, we've got two recent

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releases from Heart Matters, their first two of twenty twenty five.

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The first one is called Lifetime and it was released

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in January. It's a time traveling sci fi drama that

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teaches every human life has purpose. Some of the cast

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includes Bethany Baldwin, Rose Beasley, and Caleb Bresler. There's also

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an initial reaction to this show in ATC backstage. The

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second release from Heart Matters so far this year is

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called Super Distracted, a comedic superhero story for kids, and

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that was released in March, and they said this audio

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cartoon teaches about the need for tech balance and being responsible.

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and Jeffrey Dixon. Both of the audio dramas are available

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to listen to for free in the Heart Matters app

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which is linked in the show notes. I've mentioned this before,

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but I love how Heart Matters also, I think with

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every single release so far has included some bonus materials,

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and so in the case of these, there's discussion questions

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which help you use these maybe in a homeschool curriculum

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or just in your family, to incite discussion about the

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topics that are raised by these shows. So really really

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cool stuff. Next up another new release, Time to Listen

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a brand new show from First Acts Productions. It's a

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Window Seat. There are six episodes of the show that

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have just dropped, with six more planned for late summer

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micro audio dramas, but will also tell a larger story

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throughout the series. Glenn Haskell, the writer and producer, said

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there were so many great people involved in this first set.

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Glenn Haskell, J D. Sutter, Hunter, Adkins, Randy Strew, David Hilder,

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Truett Fisher, Ian Lalam, Austin Peachey, Lisa Loalam, Rose Beasley,

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Kara O'Brien, Noah Cecil, Nathan Hobbs, Ryan Haskell, and Daniel Roth.

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and it's a fun show for the younger listeners about

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a grandfather who just takes time to answer questions and

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day to day life and turn those into discussions about

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scripture and the Lord. And it's just really fun. So again,

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is the Thriller Mystery Show from Caleb Brestler and Craig

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for this show and it sounds amazing. If you'd like

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to hear my reaction to that trailer that is also

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in at see backstage. But some familiar names involved in this.

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the cast, but also Joshua and Nicholson, who we heard

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in the Harry Moon production that we've talked about here

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on the show and on the blog in the past,

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and who was also a speaker at Sonacon. Just a

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great talented voice actor there. And also Chloe Elmore who

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we recently heard in Jake Muller Adventure's Blood. So some really,

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really great talent in here. Caleb said, I couldn't get

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all of the cast members into the trailer, but rest

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assured there are great performances you won't want to miss.

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we wanted to share the trailer to wet the appetites

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of future listeners, So that is linked in the show

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notes to go check that out on the website. And

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of course I think I've mentioned this before, but there's

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also a form there where you can put in your

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email address to get notified of updates on this production.

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Future Productions. We've got an update on season two. They said.

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Alicia Hanson said the sound design was more complicated this season,

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and it was a fun challenge creating a rich landscape

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that supports the exciting turns and drama we have in store. Ooh,

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that sounds awesome. She added, music by our talented composer

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wait to hear what he comes up with next. Oh,

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exciting stuff, really really cool to see progress on this project.

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I'm excited about listening to this one. You know, I

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said that was our last item, but I was mistaken

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because I just remembered that I need to tell you

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about the audio Drama Alliances production of The Hardy Boys

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and The Tower Treasure. Oh. My goodness. If you don't know,

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this and this is going to be a feature link

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production and we are really moving along. As of the

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time of this recording, we're probably around seventy percent done

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with recording our actors. We're already working on post production

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and so voicetrack editing has already started. The tracks I'm

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the page on the site that has more detail about

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who all is involved. The entire cast list and some

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and I'm really really excited about how this is coming together,

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how it's sounding. I'm really thrilled to be a part

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of such an iconic series and bringing this story to

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the audio drama medium. It's been so so fun. Be

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The Hardy Boys and the Tower Treasure. All right, well,

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let's bring Michael Schrader onto the show and talk about

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Adventures and Odyssey.

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Speaker 3: It's a murder mystery sort of cross between William Shakespeare

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it wasn't a good play. This will be one of

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the best shows we've ever done.

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Speaker 2: Such an amusing show.

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Speaker 1: What was that line you coined? I never knew acting

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could be so much fun.

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and I'm thrilled to have Michael Schrader back on the

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show to talk about album seventy six of Adventures and Odyssey.

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Keep it together, Oh boy, are you ready to do this?

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Speaker 3: I will try to keep it together, Okay, told you,

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and the thrill is mutual.

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Speaker 1: JD. I'm excited to talk about this album with you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got to say that it is quite a

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jumping right into summer, and so the ac is running

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full tilt, and so I apologize if there's any noise

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let's talk about album seventy six. This one we're a

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righte Al Realizations. So I guess a little over two

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hours and twenty minutes on this album. And as with

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to be spoilery. So if you haven't heard this album,

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it's a year old, but just lots of time, yes,

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but just a heads up, we're going to go into

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all the details if you're new to the show. We

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don't do this for our other reviews, but with Odyssey,

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that's the one where we just go hog wild. I'm

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full of cliches today, hog wild and keep on trucking

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me from spoiling future albums that we've heard but haven't reviewed.

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Speaker 1: And I'll do my best. Tokay, spoil them is what

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Speaker 2: Please don't because I have not heard album seventy seven yet.

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Speaker 1: So what JD? You're killing me? All right, Well then

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I'll try extra hard.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's dive into this. Will you do

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us the honors and read the summary?

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Speaker 3: I will, Maury Ridell, You're under arrest when Odyssey's resident

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hacker is accused of a serious computer crime, Suzu Cooper

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and mister Whittaker race to investigate what really happened, but

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the newly formed team isn't united. Emily Jones's past dealings

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with Moury cloud her desire to help. Why should she

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believe he's innocent? Meanwhile, Jules Kendall gets a unique opportunity

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to use her musical talents with the band, but joining

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them could mean hurting a friend and lying to Connie

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Jason Whittaker arrives in Baltimore with a spy job for him.

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grabs as everyone in Odyssey tries their best to keep

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all six episodes keeping it together and friendships and talking

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and then the whole thing with Buck, so that's kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I realized that there was that

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through line, and there's the question about betrayal running through all.

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Speaker 1: Of those stories, So yeah, that is very interesting.

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a poll House impersonation, but I oft it to just

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Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna have to drop that on us at

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some point.

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you and then I'll just see if you realize it

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was Pollhouse, and if you don't, I'm just going to

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our producer is Nathan Hubler, and we'll get to the

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specific roles on each episode as we go through them.

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So that brings us to the first episode of the album,

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The Ridell Realizations, Part one, which is episode nine seventy six.

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This is a three parter, and another interesting thing about

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this is they're quite short. So part one is twenty

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Adventures Odyssey thing at the beginning of both of them,

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so that takes up a good chunk, So you know,

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they're they're kind of not the standard twenty five minutes

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on these first two, especially of new content. You know,

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with this change of the of the I guess the

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release schedule of Adventures Notsey going foar that one of

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the things that they talked about was being able to

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as well, and I think that's one of the considerations

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why they may not be putting future episodes in the

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radio Oh sure calendar, though that hasn't been decided yet,

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but they are thinking about that, and that's probably one

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of the big reasons is if you don't have to

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have a standardized episode length for radio, then you have

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a little bit more freedom to play around with that

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and maybe even have some longer episodes. So I think

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that would be interesting to see if that happens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that wouldn't have been starting with these episodes, right, No, No,

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just happened to be shorter.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah. So yeah, these are you know, just over

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twenty minutes. So anyway, part one, we have this whole

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thing with Maury Marvin Plotkin. What an interesting name.

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Speaker 3: I like how Morey kept making reference to how it

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sounded like a made up name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that is, yeah, that's true. I did hear that,

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but it didn't I don't know, I didn't dawn on me.

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And what how funny that is? It's very meta.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I like it. I like Marvin Plotkin's name.

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I don't have a problem with it.

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Speaker 2: So these episodes were written and directed by Phil Lawler,

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with sound designed by Lucano and music by Jared Depesqual.

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And so you know, it's been a while since he's aired,

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So if you haven't listened to them recently. You know,

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we have the whole situation where Maury is accused by

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pole House of basically stealing a bunch of money online.

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As he kept saying, it's like, it's such an old

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person way of saying that, right, did you just get yeah,

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exactly exactly. I thought it was funny.

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Speaker 3: And speaking of Detective pole House, I thought his voice

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sounded really strange at the beginning of this episode.

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Speaker 1: Did you notice that at all.

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Speaker 3: When he started talking, Because I'm always excited for a

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Detective poll House episode. He's like in you know, I

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don't know posts album like fifty, He's like one of

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my favorite new characters that they introduced, and when he

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started talking, I was like, there's something sounds off about

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his voice. And then in some of the like Adventures

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and Odyssey groups on facebooks, people were asking about it too,

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but especially the way he said something. He said something

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about this young man and the way he said this

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young man, I don't know what it is. He's like

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this young man here, And I was like, what is

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going on with this voice? But you didn't notice that

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at all?

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Speaker 2: Huh No, I didn't, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It just and then it got it sounded more like

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him as it went on, But initially it threw me

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off when I was just first listening to it and

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Phil Ahller got on there and when people were commenting

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about it, and he said, well, he's an older actor,

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and I was like, oh, don't tell me that about

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Detective pole House.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Phil Procter been around for a long time. Yeah,

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Odyssey is not his first Rodio in terms of audio drama.

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He's man, He's been around for a very long time.

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And I think it's so great that they got him

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on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, me too.

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Speaker 3: I really like his acting in all all the different

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roles he's done, and especially especially this one. But Detective

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pole House wasn't a huge a huge part of these episodes.

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He's just in that first one really, as in the

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initial arrest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And I should also say I know that

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I've talked about these episodes a little bit with other

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people when when I first heard them after they first

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came out, and I honestly cannot remember what my initial

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reactions were at the time. So if you are somebody

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that I talked with you about these episodes and my

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opinions now are different in this review, that's just because

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upon my re listen, I'm feeling a little bit differently

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about them, so.

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Speaker 1: Are.

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Speaker 2: I do have memories of talking with somebody, and I

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just cannot remember who it was and and what I

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was saying at the time. But now you've got me curious.

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I think I need to listen again and see if

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I can pick up on that with Phil Proctor and

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see what was going on there. But I didn't hear that,

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and I thought, overall the cast was really great. There

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were a couple of moments. I don't remember which part

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of this one. It could have been in two or three,

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but there were a couple of moments where Atticus Schaeffer

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as Maury just he brought a real sensitivity to Maury

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that I haven't really heard before. I thought he did

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a really good job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did too, especially with the well and I

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don't know if this affected it at all in a

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positive way. But he was having to record all his

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lines separately from the other cast members, as the bonus

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feature talked about, because of a family emergency, so they

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recorded all their lines together, and then he came in

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and recorded all his lines afterwards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would.

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Speaker 3: Never have known that if they hadn't said that in

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the bonus feature. I thought that they mixed that so well,

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and he did. All the actors did a great job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, totally. And it was funny because Phil in

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the bonus feature he was saying, you know how it's

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really skeptical about this actually working, and I'm thinking, that's

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how us indie producers do this stuff all the time.

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We're never in the same room at the same time,

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and we make it work. Well, I know that's how

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he did Iliot House, right, Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that was really hard.

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Speaker 2: I do know that it does. It is a better

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way to do it when everybody's there at the same time,

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but you know, sometimes you just can't do that. And

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it just goes to show that how how good these

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people are at their job, like they can make it work,

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and not just the actors, but you know the post

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production folks too.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and shout out to Luke Gano for he

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said he had every new line queued up. He just

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split all the tracks in between Maury's lines. That would

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have been a lot of work. Yeah, and Maury said

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his line and then he went with it. He Allison,

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my wife grew up watching a show that Atticus Schaeffer

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was in who plays Maury, and so we watched a

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couple of those episodes. So I've been seeing like younger

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Atakus Schaeffer in his other role, and so now I

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like see his actual actors. Sometimes when I hear the

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hear the Maury lines, which is funny.

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Speaker 2: Well, and if you look at him, like he looks

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like a Maury, I think, so obviously he's older than

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the character, but take away the facial hair and there's Maury.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's a great actor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, in the beginning, you know, we heard in

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that summary about Emily being a little still a little

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hesitant about this whole team thing and and specifically about

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trusting Maury, and I mean, I get it. I totally

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get it. I think I said that in our last

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review talking about the whole Emily Rydell dynamic. I get

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where she's coming from, you know. Yeah, and uh when

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and when she walks out of WIT's in there at

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the beginning, Cooper, he's like, man, that's cold. You know.

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I was like, that's such a great line. It's simple,

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but the way he delivered it, I was like, that's

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so good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree the I think it's

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good that they they didn't go straight from you know,

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all the stuff that happened with the Right Dells before

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to Emily just being their best friend and working on

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a team with them. You know, I think it's important

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that she had to overcome some of the stuff that

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she did, and I think with lesson, you know, when

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he goes out and talks to her about how how

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do we practically love our enemies? You know, is kind

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of what I took away from what he said, because

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it's one thing to say that, but then what does

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that look like to love your enemies and to forgive

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things that have been really tough and still not completely

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you know, trust the people who did it, because especially

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if it's somebody who's like deceived you before, that's really

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hard to start trusting them again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agreed with his overall point. But you know,

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there's there's people in the fandom who are like to

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criticize Andre his version of Wit and say that, you know,

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wits too soft these days in some ways, and they

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never see the the firm you know, I don't know,

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the more assertive wit, And I'm like, he was definitely

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pretty estative there in that scene, and I was feeling

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a little mixed feelings about him. It felt like he

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was he was trying to guilter into helping me a

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little bit.

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Speaker 3: And it is there is that added element because you know,

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not that we need to get into all of this again,

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but but I know this has been talked about a lot,

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but he he played a part in Emily's you know,

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had a hard time trusting him again too, which I

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also understand, and I would have a hard time trusting

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him after he knew what was going on and didn't

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do anything about it, And so there was that added

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awkwardness a little bit because he's not just the authority

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figure that doesn't ever mess up, but there is a

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little bit of that. I don't know, you're like complicity,

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Maybe I don't know that. Yeah, it feels like he

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hasn't and being their guardian. So I know when I

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first listened to it, I felt that awkwardness that you're

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talking about. I felt the tension when he was he

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was getting on her, and I was not sure how

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I would.

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Speaker 1: Respond to the situation.

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Speaker 3: But the main point was true, you know, what he

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was saying was right, But but I did feel uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what we in the previous I

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think it was the previous album right where we had

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that scene between her and whit before where he apologizes

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and everything. Yeah, and I still think that was a

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really great scene. But too, even though it was a

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lot of time in our world between those events and

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in this album right right, we got to think about

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Odyssey time here, so this is not not a whole

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lot of time since then, And so put those in perspective.

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You know, they had that sort of making up a

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scene and now he's like, Okay, you know, we need

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to move on. You need to do the right thing here.

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So again, I agree with what he was saying, but

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I guess I'm really emphathizing with Emily. Here's an interesting

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thing too, And I think people who've listened to this

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show for a long time will remember I was not

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an Emily fan, and I just never really liked the

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character all that much. And I really didn't care for

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the Jones and Parker Detective Agency episodes either. I just

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00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,680
thought they were cheesy for the most part. I mean,

477
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,319
there were a few that were okay, But so she's

478
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:35,440
not been a favorite of mine. But man, ever since

479
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,480
this whole thing went down. I'm really on team Emily here.

480
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 3: If there's anything that came out of the Right Dell Saga,

481
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,720
it's GD now has more affection for Emily.

482
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

483
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: I never had that aversion to Emily. Well, I can't

484
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,880
say never. There was a couple episodes early on where

485
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,039
she was being a jerk but to like Matthew or something.

486
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:06,039
But anyways, but ever since, like probably the Green Ring Conspiracy,

487
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,839
I'm like, I like her as a character, and I

488
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:13,400
liked the idea of the Jones and Parker Detective Agency,

489
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,039
and I liked the idea of them having a nemesis

490
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:20,119
like you know, Emily Sherlock Holmes to Maury's Moriarty, Like, I.

491
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,319
Speaker 1: Liked that as an idea.

492
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it didn't seem to pan out that way.

493
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,640
Maybe it didn't, Like I know, they did like some

494
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,039
Clubhouse magazine stories, uh with it, which those maybe filled

495
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:33,480
in some of those things. But when when, even when

496
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,279
I heard some of the initial right El Saga stuff,

497
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,359
I was excited about the potentiality of the bigger story

498
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,519
arc that they were building. I the first one where

499
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:44,880
the I guess it was probably the key one. I

500
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,400
was like, oh, they're building something. This is cool, But

501
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,160
where I fell off the train is I don't like

502
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,240
the episodes where you seem it seems like you're having

503
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:56,839
just a regular Slice of Life Odyssey episode or even

504
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,240
like a mystery episode in the real world, and then

505
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,200
it turns out it's all in the Imagination station in

506
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,440
the kitchen, not to put to Pine a point on it,

507
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,720
or even like the one with Eugene where they brought

508
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:13,200
back the I can't remember captain what's his name, Captain Quid.

509
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and out to see I think.

510
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:17,279
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden at the end, it

511
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,559
just kept getting weirder and weirder, and then it was like, oh, yeah,

512
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:20,960
that was all in the Room of Consequence, And that

513
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,519
always feels like such a cop out to me.

514
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, come on.

515
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 3: Why so you like, this story just got bizarre and

516
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,039
so we turned it into a something that wasn't real.

517
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,079
Speaker 1: And those stories always make.

518
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 3: Me uncomfortable because it messes with reality in a weirder

519
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,480
way than like the Imagination Station episodes.

520
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: Dude for me, because so anyways, I don't really like

521
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:40,759
those kind of stories.

522
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: But so and I haven't really gotten the team thing

523
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:47,759
on a Relesten, Like, I haven't been excited about the

524
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:50,720
team episodes when they first come out, but on a relesson,

525
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,400
I can see more of what's being done, and and

526
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,440
I've I enjoyed the more on a Relsten honestly.

527
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,759
Speaker 1: But that's kind of where I was at with all

528
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:01,519
the right el saga stuff.

529
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:02,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

530
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a long rambling just because you know,

531
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,480
this is my only platform to talk about this stuff,

532
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:08,960
so I just thought i'd get it out there.

533
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,119
Speaker 1: You can cut whatever you want.

534
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,039
Speaker 2: Hey, that works. That works, So we should say Emily

535
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,799
played by Christina Pocelli, and she does a fantastic job

536
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,759
with the character Suzu. Right Ell is played by April

537
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:28,519
Hong and Cooper Calhoun by Preston Butler the third all

538
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:31,000
of them just did a really great job with these

539
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:35,319
three episodes here and then part one ends with Maury

540
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,680
being arrested like he'd originally been taken in for questioning.

541
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,799
And then at the very end of this episode he's

542
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:43,160
like pull House is like, all right, that's it, I'm

543
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,720
arresting here. Okay, Well let's end on a cliffhanger.

544
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is a great cliffhanger.

545
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, and Chris's wrap up talks about holding grudges,

546
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,119
and the way she framed it was a really, really

547
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:57,920
good lesson, and I thought that was one of the

548
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,839
one of the better raps that have heard in a

549
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,519
while where it really felt I don't know it applied

550
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,519
definitely to what we heard in the episode, but just

551
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:09,519
the way that it was written I thought was really

552
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:11,160
good for kids to hear as well.

553
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, absolutely, going back to that idea of the

554
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:17,279
lesson of how to treat.

555
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: People that have hurt you.

556
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,839
Speaker 3: The biblical illusion I thought of was like Joe ab

557
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:27,119
and Abner and Samuel, where ab his brother is killed

558
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:29,279
by Abner and then David wants to bring him in

559
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:31,559
to the kingdom because Abner is going to be able

560
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:34,519
to help bring all these other tribes together into the Kingdom,

561
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,079
and Joe ab cannot forgive him and ends up killing him,

562
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,359
you know. And this was like an anti parallel, I guess,

563
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,000
because Emily does forgive Morey, but like the temptation to

564
00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:49,759
justify our own poor behavior just because somebody's heard us

565
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:52,000
in the past and not see the potential of that

566
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:55,160
person as they're starting to make steps into the Kingdom

567
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,319
of God is a really important lesson for us.

568
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, this is just.

569
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,599
Speaker 1: A random note.

570
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: But it was funny when Cooper first walks in and

571
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,440
Morey's like, hi, a Coop, and He's like, Coop, that's

572
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,279
where chickens live. I don't think so or whatever, And

573
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:14,079
that felt really natural because I was like, yeah, that

574
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:15,720
sounds weird for Mariy to call him Coop. But then

575
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,359
I thought other people call him coop. Doesn't that like

576
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,279
Buck call him coop.

577
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question.

578
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,839
Speaker 3: I think they do. I think that is a nickname

579
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:27,839
that other people. But he was just like, sorry, not you, Mory. Yeah,

580
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,519
my friends and my own age.

581
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:30,079
Speaker 1: Call me that, not you.

582
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody let us know if that has happened before,

583
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,160
because now that you mentioned that, I think it may have.

584
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:40,599
But yeah, he's he's There's all kinds of little nicknames

585
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:44,000
going on too, because Cooper's calling Emily boss all the

586
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,559
time in.

587
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:47,319
Speaker 1: These which I think is really funny. I really liked

588
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:48,160
that for some reason.

589
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how I feel about it. It just

590
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,720
stood out to me. It was like the first time

591
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,279
I was like boss, Okay, okay, I guess she is

592
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,000
wits trying to put to be the leader of this team,

593
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:05,160
so I guess it makes sense. Well, I guess that

594
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,279
brings us to part two. And like I said, the

595
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,799
previously on took up a minute and a half at

596
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:13,160
the beginning, and the rap at the end takes up

597
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,000
a minute and fifteen. So out of our twenty one

598
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:22,680
minute episode, we lost about almost three minutes there. My

599
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:29,119
math is not precise, don't figure it out. It's but yeah,

600
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,720
so a much shorter part of this of this saga.

601
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:37,000
But one thing that did jump out at me in

602
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:40,359
this one was cops are not going to release a

603
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,680
computer that was used in a crime back to the

604
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,920
person who was accused of committing said crime, Like, that's

605
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,519
just not going to happen. I thought that was a

606
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:49,680
little bit interesting to me.

607
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a small town.

608
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, detective pullouts just kind of waving the hand because

609
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:55,559
it's there.

610
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, I.

611
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,759
Speaker 2: Mean he wasn't supposed to touch it, he wasn't supposed

612
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:00,160
to use it, but they did release it back. And

613
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,079
usually if something's taken into evidence, that's been gone forever.

614
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is interesting. I mean, Wit pulled some strings,

615
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:09,960
you know.

616
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like he's like, look, I run this town

617
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,480
all right, give me another small town thing. I don't

618
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,599
know if it's a small town thing or but it

619
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,559
feels so weird to me that the kids are always

620
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:26,319
running around on their own to all these different places,

621
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:30,319
Like Cooper and Susser just like go to that guy's

622
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:31,599
RV to talk to him.

623
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,559
Speaker 1: Whi's like, okay, they're together.

624
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: But then Emily goes by herself, which I would not

625
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:37,960
advise after they already suspect him of something. And then

626
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,640
they're gone for a while when Maury runs off, which

627
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,200
is like, hey, we've been trying to get a hold

628
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,160
of you. Where you guys been, Like we've been locked

629
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:45,960
up in a closet.

630
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

631
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: That's just like a small town thing, and kids should

632
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:56,319
have autonomy, but yeah, in this age, it doesn't feel

633
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,759
like it's very wise to do that, especially in Odyssey

634
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:01,480
where people are always trying to take over the world

635
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:01,839
from there.

636
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:07,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. Yeah, I mean the world has changed

637
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,239
quite a bit since I was a young kid running

638
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,280
around town, and I mean we used to go everywhere,

639
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,840
ride bikes all over the place, no parents, you know.

640
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,039
I mean, we've been gone all day long, and it's

641
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:20,320
a different world these days.

642
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:25,039
Speaker 3: It is yeah, which I am kind of nostalgic for that. Yeah,

643
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:27,400
all the kids just being able to go and have

644
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:33,000
adventures and have a good time. But in this episode

645
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:36,960
in particular, are these episodes, it just struck me as odd.

646
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,639
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that time where Cooper and Susa are out,

647
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,480
you know, running around doing their thing, there's a scene there,

648
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:47,239
or there was part of a scene where they're talking

649
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,480
about the whole idetic memory that Suzu has and Cooper says,

650
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,840
I didn't know you could do that, and she said, well,

651
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,199
I didn't know you could draw, and he says touchet.

652
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, because the drawing thing did feel like

653
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:04,599
it just came out of nowhere, and he's like got a.

654
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:05,519
Speaker 1: Website and stuff.

655
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

656
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 3: I wondered if that was an added skill so that

657
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,199
he wasn't just the jock, like this strength guy.

658
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe. I mean, it's an interesting way to add

659
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:26,400
it into the canon or the character biography, you know,

660
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:29,159
just to and and work it into the story. And

661
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,320
just that little interaction there just between the two, it's

662
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,519
like it serves the episode, it serves what's going on

663
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,800
in the story, but it also is showing that these

664
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,599
kids are still getting to know each other too, and

665
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:46,079
this whole team thing is still early stages and they're

666
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,039
they're figuring out how to work together and compliment each

667
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:51,360
other's skills.

668
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 3: Right right, And I do like that they all have

669
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,840
their different things that they're bringing to the table, which

670
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,559
is the obviously the point, you know, of the team,

671
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:03,400
that Emily brings leadership and deductive skills, and Susu has

672
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,920
these mechanical skills, and Maury knows all this stuff about

673
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,840
the computers and and Cooper can tackle people and draw.

674
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: So I do I do like that.

675
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,159
Speaker 3: That's and I think the rap even was talking about

676
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,719
that about the Body of Christ exactly how we all

677
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,199
need the different skills, and so I do like that element.

678
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

679
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: And another thing about the team episodes, I was just

680
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,639
noticing that the first episode that was called the Team,

681
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:31,000
it was when Cooper was in trouble and they were

682
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,360
helping him out. And then there was one it wasn't

683
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,199
the whole team, but it was just Emily and Susu

684
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,920
in that episode with where Wit apologizes to Emily and

685
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:43,079
Susu was in trouble in a sense and Emily was

686
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:46,480
helping her out, and then Maury is in trouble in

687
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,280
this one, and then in an upcoming one that you

688
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:58,480
may not have heard yet, Emily's in trouble spoiler alert exactly.

689
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,000
So they're running out though, So you know we're about

690
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,239
to wrap it up here and album maybe.

691
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: Well you know what's interesting too.

692
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,039
Speaker 3: Sorry, this is just one more random note about that,

693
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,679
because WIT's trying to bring out the leadership qualities in Emily, right,

694
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,400
and so there was a point where Cooper says, what

695
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,480
should we do, mister Whittaker, and witt says Emily like

696
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:23,079
he defers to her, And I thought that was that

697
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,599
was a good moment from which it was just subtle.

698
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: But he's just like, I'm not the leader of your team.

699
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, it was so subtle I didn't even

700
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,000
I didn't even pick up on it.

701
00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:34,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

702
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know this in this particular episode part two,

703
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,639
I love that that whole sequence with the conscience scene

704
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:47,519
with Marie, Yeah, and just having those different voices. You know,

705
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,719
it's his conscience talking to him, but it's in the

706
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,960
voice of all these other people.

707
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:51,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

708
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,159
Speaker 2: And I was listening closely and I'm and I may

709
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:58,320
be wrong, but I don't think as it progressed. The

710
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,000
things that they were saying were not dialogue that they

711
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,079
had actually said before. It was his conscience filling it in,

712
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,760
but it was coming into his mind through their voice.

713
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,119
And then of course at the end we have Jesus

714
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:12,840
and Dave Arnold making a cameo as Jesus again, which

715
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:13,639
is a cool touch.

716
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:15,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was cool.

717
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that too, because our conscience does work

718
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,400
that way, where sometimes it's in what we know other

719
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,719
people would tell us, like the advice that we know

720
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,639
that they would give us, but the Lord's using that

721
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,039
and then But I liked how it kept progressing until

722
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,599
it was just the voice of Jesus at the end.

723
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: That was very cool.

724
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the sound design for that was really neat.

725
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,639
You know, have sort of it starts off with each

726
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,840
character individually and it's all processed so you can tell

727
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,719
that it's not them. They're in the scene, and then

728
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,559
they start kind of swirling together and talking over each other,

729
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,599
and then it goes it kind of drops back down

730
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,320
and then we have the voice of Jesus. Yeah, it

731
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,519
was really handled really well.

732
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

733
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 3: At first, when I was listening, I was like, I

734
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,960
don't know what I think about this. Scene, But in retrospect,

735
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,920
I really liked it. I thought that was a really

736
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,519
clever way to do that, and there were some funny

737
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:09,960
lines in that, like Maury's saying, Oh, you're my conscience.

738
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,639
I didn't know I had one.

739
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you mentioned this a moment ago, Marvin

740
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:23,840
Marvin Cooper tackling Marvin and him having the ability to

741
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,960
tackle people, and that's how we end the episode with

742
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:30,880
him tackling Marvin and then Yeah, and then having to

743
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,800
rush Suzu off to the hospital because she gets injured.

744
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,559
Marvin Plotkin was voiced by Michael and I can't remember

745
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:40,639
exactly how the last name was pronounced, if it was

746
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,159
Ornstein or Ornstein, forgive me. I heard it in Chris's

747
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,480
rap and I typed it into my document, but I

748
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,800
forgot to. I never can keep those straight because they're

749
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,800
spelled exactly the same Steinstein, and everybody pronounces it differently.

750
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,360
So Yeah, Anyway, he was fantastic. I loved his voice.

751
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,480
I thought he was great for that character, and I

752
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:01,880
like that.

753
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,159
Speaker 3: He wasn't just a like he was doing something wrong,

754
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,119
but he wasn't just like an all out villain that's

755
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:11,440
like willing to hurt anybody. Like you could tell when

756
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,280
Suzu fell backwards, it startled him, you know, like he

757
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,679
wasn't intending to hurt her, but he wanted to scare

758
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:19,559
her to get the information he wanted or whatever. Yeah,

759
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:21,800
and he had a temper, and he was obviously stealing

760
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,719
from people, so he's doing what was wrong. But he

761
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,079
wasn't just like, you know, I'm just gonna hurt everybody,

762
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,840
you know, that wasn't. He had a distinct what he

763
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,840
was willing to do and what he wasn't willing to do,

764
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,880
you know, although they weren't like sure what he was

765
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,199
going to do, like when he was in the hotel

766
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:37,760
room and stuff.

767
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: But I did.

768
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: I liked that character development for him. I liked that

769
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,559
it felt real, you know, right, even if his name

770
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:49,199
wasn't I don't know, but like the way that he

771
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,320
was acting, that is how.

772
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,639
Speaker 2: People think, you know, yeah, that's true.

773
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: Like the way he was justifying himself.

774
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is in the next episode

775
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:59,159
or not, but he was justifying himself also just the

776
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:02,880
scam had going on, and he was saying, I always

777
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,000
left them something, you know. Yeah, and but Carly she

778
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:09,000
just takes everything or whatever, and I want to ask

779
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:10,840
you what you thought about that that scam, because I

780
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,199
thought that was that was an interesting mystery to solve

781
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,719
of him doing this scam, you know, taking money away

782
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,079
from these elderly people, but not enough that they realized

783
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:23,880
or could you know, pitt it on him.

784
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:25,079
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts about that?

785
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:30,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it made sense. And I mean because

786
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,159
there is a ton of fraud and scams going on

787
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,480
in the world today against seniors, so it's not an

788
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:43,119
uncommon thing. Unfortunately, it's it's horrible that this is happening.

789
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:47,920
Most of the time it's through online things and you know,

790
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,119
spam calls and stuff like that that these folks fall

791
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:53,159
for those scams. So this is a little bit of

792
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:57,320
a different take, and it's seemed very like realistic and

793
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,119
believable to me.

794
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, me too, And I liked that.

795
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,039
Speaker 3: You know, if you're writing something and they've done so

796
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,880
many different kinds of crimes and had different mysteries for

797
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,559
people to solve, and so you know, at some point

798
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:11,880
you feel like, well, what else am I going to

799
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,239
talk about? And this felt pretty original, you know, in

800
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,760
terms of like what was going on and what he

801
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,159
was trying to do and so I thought this was

802
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,599
a yeah, a really interesting story. I like that because

803
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,599
it's focused on what's going on with the team, but

804
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,000
I like that the mystery had a lot of substance

805
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:29,920
that felt realistic.

806
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, you're talking about how he is

807
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,800
the villain of this story, but he's he doesn't view

808
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,760
himself as a villain, and that's a big key thing

809
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,880
in storytelling, and I know that it's a big thing

810
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,960
for Phil as he's writing and as he teaches storytelling

811
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,840
to other writers. You know, the villain doesn't see himself

812
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,000
as the bad guy. He has his motivations, he has

813
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,239
his reasons for doing what he's doing. He views himself

814
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,440
as the hero. And so yeah, making sure that he

815
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,360
comes across us that way in the story and not

816
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:04,800
just a villain for the sake of being a villain,

817
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,719
and that's that's lazy writing. Yeah, So I thought I

818
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,000
thought it worked out really well.

819
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he ended up being kind of like the

820
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,719
sub villain, with Carly being the overarching EO. That was

821
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,840
even though she was working for him, but she was

822
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,599
the one who was pinning it on Maury, and you know,

823
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,239
and stealing the money ultimately.

824
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: Right, right, which was a really cool twist. And speaking

825
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,440
of Carly voiced by Jessica de Mooney, great great voice

826
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,440
talent there. I thought she was really good as well.

827
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:42,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, she she had such a snide tone that she eyed.

828
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: So when you first heard that that scene with her,

829
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,719
did you believe that she was legit?

830
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,079
Speaker 3: Or the very first scene with her when she was

831
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,639
crying and all that.

832
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, when Morey's recounting his first interaction with her.

833
00:43:57,519 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 3: I thought the actress was just overacting and and Alison

834
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,960
was like, that doesn't sound real, and I was like, well,

835
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,760
she's doing her best, okay, So I just took it

836
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,039
at face value. And I didn't like in that first scene.

837
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:17,400
I didn't think, oh, she's deceiving him, you know. Yeah, yeah,

838
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,119
but her reactions sounded like over the top, you know.

839
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,599
But I just thought she was over it. But look

840
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:26,960
at that she was. She was acting like she was acting,

841
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:29,360
and there it was exactly.

842
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had that thought too. Yeah, I mean I

843
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:38,840
just thought, you know, she's he's recounting the story that

844
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,719
I shouldn't know. You know, I've I've listened to enough

845
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,519
stories and read enough novels that I should know that

846
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:47,960
they don't just randomly insert characters in there for no reason, Like,

847
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,599
but but I totally, I totally didn't pick up on

848
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:52,119
it at all.

849
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I thought that was good.

850
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: Speaking of things that seemed like they were randomly inserted.

851
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: Was her so okay? Her names? It seems like her

852
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,119
real name was Marion.

853
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: I forgot maryon something hill, yeah, which because that was

854
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,000
the name that he knew her by whenever.

855
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 2: He competed against her before.

856
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:14,079
Speaker 3: Yes, but then she kept correcting him, saying, no, it's

857
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:17,840
Carly now and uh. And that was how she introduced

858
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,119
herself with the contest. And then her middle name. It

859
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:23,920
didn't sound like a made up middle name. She's like,

860
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,000
it means Indian princess or whatever. And I was like, oh,

861
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,079
that's going to come back somehow, but it never did

862
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,880
and maybe it still is. I don't know, but that

863
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:33,320
seemed so random to me. It was like, Wow, that

864
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,119
was that was pretty believable. I guess, like as a

865
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:38,320
name that she made up, you.

866
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, I know that you mentioned it. Yeah,

867
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:43,639
I don't even know what it was said. I couldn't.

868
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:47,159
I couldn't understand the name, like what it was.

869
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it sounded.

870
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,199
Speaker 3: He was like do wanna, She's like, it means a princess.

871
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:55,719
And even on my second listen there, because it's been

872
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,840
a while obviously since I listened to these the first time,

873
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,440
so I listened through again before daing this podcast, and

874
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,159
I was like, oh, yeah, I can't remember how that

875
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:03,880
comes back into it, but that's got to come back

876
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:04,360
into it.

877
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: Nope, it did not.

878
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,199
Speaker 2: You're right, that is a little bit random. Yeah, why

879
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,639
not just give her a normal middle name? Yeah?

880
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah?

881
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,159
Speaker 2: And who actually introduces themselves with their full name.

882
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:28,199
Speaker 1: With I'm John Avery Whittaker. Yeah, I don't. I don't

883
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:30,119
people have to pry it out of me what my

884
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:30,760
middle name is.

885
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think we've we've bled into part three here,

886
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,440
episode nine seventy eight, so we reached the conclusion of

887
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,000
this this little arc and the exchange there between Emily

888
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:49,719
and Maury at the hotel when they find the phone

889
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,840
and everything, and you you talked about this earlier. In

890
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,159
one of the earlier scenes he mentioned something about having

891
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:58,280
a conscience and he jokes about it. Well, then they

892
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,559
do it again and this time he's joking about it

893
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:07,039
with her and she's like, oh, your conscience on He's like, yeah,

894
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,639
apparently I have one or something along those lines. I

895
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:11,920
don't remember exactly what the line was, but it's sort

896
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,039
of like a callback to the one that you mentioned earlier.

897
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,119
But I thought that was a really neat moment too.

898
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:19,239
It's sort of like trying to rebuild the trust there

899
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:19,760
a little bit.

900
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and the way that because you know, Emily's

901
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,400
going to try to do the right thing no matter what,

902
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,039
but a good way for him to rebuild the trust

903
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:31,840
is to acknowledge that he has done something wrong. And

904
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,239
Wick kind of talks about it at the end of

905
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,599
the episode. He's like, I'm glad your contry a country

906
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:36,599
at Hart is a good thing.

907
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is. It's important.

908
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,039
Speaker 3: And then Wick goes on to say, like, but you can't,

909
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,320
you know, blame yourself for other people's actions. This whole

910
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,800
episode felt to me designed to help Morey realize like, oh,

911
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,280
when I'm playing games with people and I'm putting them

912
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,719
in these compromising situations and I'm manipulating things, I'm not

913
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,519
just doing it in a vacuum. You know, these things

914
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:00,599
have consequences and it affects people's lives, and that was

915
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:04,360
important for him to realize in his character development, you know, yeah,

916
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,960
for sure. And he even made a joke about it

917
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,199
with Carly when he says she says, since when do

918
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,000
you care about rules and he's like, recent development.

919
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that line actually made me laugh out loud.

920
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 2: Same here. Yeah, it was a really nice quip.

921
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, just yeah, the way he said it and how

922
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,480
quickly he said it so good.

923
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: You know, we mentioned a cameo from Focus staff and

924
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:30,159
that was Dave Arnold earlier. Of course it's not so

925
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,519
much a cameo anymore. He's more of a recurring character

926
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:35,679
these days. Officer Burke by a voice by Marshall Younger.

927
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,119
He's back in these episodes, so that's always fun to

928
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:39,880
hear from him too.

929
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: Yes, we love a good Officer Burke appearance.

930
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: And he had a lot of lines in these episodes

931
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,639
since he was playing Maury when Adaka Schaeffer wasn't there. Yeah,

932
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:50,800
a lot got cut, but there's still one line of

933
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:51,320
him in there.

934
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: I really liked the sound design. It's a little thing

935
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,440
and most people probably don't even notice it or you know,

936
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:02,719
don't call attention to it, but to me, it's just

937
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,559
like it just shows the level of detail that the

938
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:10,119
AIO team goes to But in that scene there in

939
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:14,440
the hotel, when Marvin leaves them, he locks her Emily

940
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,079
in the closet, and so Maury's out in the room,

941
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,239
she's in the closet, and so we have the conversation

942
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,760
between them. He's tied up, but her voice is muffled

943
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,239
a little bit, like there's there's processing on the on

944
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,599
the voice track there, so we can hear it's coming

945
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:35,039
through the door, and then when she bursts out of

946
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:38,920
the closet, it switches like it just it's little things

947
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,480
like that, Like I listened to a lot of audio

948
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:46,679
drama and most people don't go to that level of detail,

949
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,400
and it's those little things like that that really set

950
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,360
people apart, Like this is the cream of the crop

951
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,519
type audio dramas you know, and we wouldn't expect anything

952
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:59,519
less from Odyssey, But after, you know, this last several

953
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:02,079
years of really branching out and listening to all kinds

954
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:06,400
of stuff from different producers, it's just makes me appreciate

955
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:10,360
these details even more because so many people just ignore

956
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,199
that kind of stuff.

957
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, well, and this isn't directly related to sound design,

958
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,239
but just in terms of paying attention to detail, this

959
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,239
This is so small, Like I don't even know why

960
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,599
I picked up on it, But there was a point

961
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:26,920
where Emily was calling somebody at the school because she

962
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,119
was going to go in as a reporter from the

963
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:33,880
Odyssey OWL and she she talks to Andy, and I

964
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,480
just like that they have the continuity because they've had

965
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:38,760
an episode where he became the editor or whatever, and

966
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,199
I like that they just kept like he's not in

967
00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:43,239
the episode or anything, but they just refer back to

968
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,199
this character. You know, that's not a recurring character or anything.

969
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:48,840
It's not something that most of us would remember, you know,

970
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:51,679
But I like that they that they pay attention to

971
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,159
the detail, and they haven't always done that, you know,

972
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:56,639
there's been times where you know, the principle changes up

973
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:59,719
a lot or whatever the pastor you know, but I

974
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,239
feel like there's even more attention to those kinds of

975
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,119
details being paid for sure.

976
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, yeah, I did. I did pick up on

977
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,280
that too, the name there and kind of going back

978
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,239
to the sound as anything too. Even the video chat

979
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,079
calls with Carly, Oh, yeah, you know the effects on

980
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:20,639
the voice there too, so you can hear you differentiate

981
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,280
between who's in the scene and who's coming over through

982
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,280
the computer and everything. So yeah, just really really great stuff.

983
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, even.

984
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,519
Speaker 3: The sound that the video chat makes when it's starting up,

985
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:34,119
like they're talking while it's booting up and you hear

986
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:35,719
the noise it's making, and then you can hear the

987
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,880
moment when she's on the screen. Yes, and that was

988
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:40,039
that was really well done.

989
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:42,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's even one moment where you actually hear the

990
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:47,400
computer starting up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that stuff.

991
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: We're so proud of you, Luke.

992
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:55,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it ends on a really interesting note, like

993
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,719
we have sort of a resolution with this particular story,

994
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,960
but we also don't have this this curly character hanging

995
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:04,440
over our heads here, like you know, she got away

996
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:08,559
and it sounds like she's not done with her revenge

997
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,760
against Maury, so and.

998
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: It's yeah, and the last scene was very like it

999
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:14,519
was very good.

1000
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,559
Speaker 3: But she's not the kind of character I would expect

1001
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:18,920
to be, like, oh, she's she's not like a chairman,

1002
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000
you know. It's like, yeah, she's coming back, but she

1003
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:24,360
but obviously she's coming back at some point. And there's

1004
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:28,679
that other random character, Seymour, that was in the first

1005
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:31,440
Team episode that was ye blackmailing Cooper for no reason,

1006
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,639
and he said something like this isn't over or something

1007
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:36,840
like that. So they and it's weird that those two

1008
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,719
aren't connected. But there's just these two like floating people

1009
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,960
who were who were left out there, which I'm guessing,

1010
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,400
I'm guessing they're going to bring in, but like they

1011
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,880
don't feel quite as compelling as like, you know, what

1012
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:52,800
is Maury up to?

1013
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: You know?

1014
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,159
Speaker 1: And or like when is Blackhard coming back? Or the Chairman?

1015
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:57,599
But they're just these because.

1016
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 3: They're not quite that level. But I don't know if

1017
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,880
they're going to come back in some kind of arc

1018
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,760
where they're they're all working.

1019
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:04,519
Speaker 1: Together or something.

1020
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 3: But it's just weird that there's a couple of those

1021
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,599
characters floating out there.

1022
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. I guess maybe it's because she's so young.

1023
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,400
I think they said she's twenty years old. It just

1024
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:20,039
doesn't feel as intimidating as as a Blackert or something who's.

1025
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: No offense to all you twenty year old young ladies

1026
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,840
who would make excellent supervillains. I'm sure, but just in

1027
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,599
this particular case, the Indian Princess, We're just not sure.

1028
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: I was just kidding.

1029
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: It did seem kind of odd. To have it, you know,

1030
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,679
unresolved in that way.

1031
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: So it did.

1032
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,599
Speaker 3: It felt like it could have resolved with her being

1033
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,880
captured or whatever, but then there's this like, nope, she's

1034
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:43,960
coming back, you know that.

1035
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: And the other one too, it seemed like that kid

1036
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,599
should have gotten caught also.

1037
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm not sure why the lack of resolution,

1038
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,920
but yeah, there'll be a payoff sometime.

1039
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure if we don't ever hear from them, it

1040
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,800
will be strange. But it's not like I would much

1041
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,320
rather hear from the Chairman, which I think you know

1042
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,960
is going to be happening.

1043
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 3: So yes, yeah, surely there he's gonna co opt these

1044
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,280
like floating henchman villains.

1045
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 2: You know, who knows? Who knows? You have to keep listening. Yeah,

1046
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:21,800
well that that wraps up the rightell realizations. There's a

1047
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,360
lot to like in these. These are definitely not like

1048
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:29,159
favorite episodes of mine. I enjoyed them. They were fine,

1049
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,679
nothing spectacular to me, but I thought they were okay.

1050
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:40,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, same, and I like the character development.

1051
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:41,599
Speaker 1: I'm interested.

1052
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: Phil Lawler dropped something in one of the recent podcasts

1053
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:49,960
where he said, if you know about storytelling, morey is

1054
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,159
as a type and he was talking about types of

1055
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,519
characters in storytelling, and I wanted to ask you, JD.

1056
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:59,360
I don't know if you heard that podcast. I was

1057
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,360
wondering what you what you thought about it? I mean,

1058
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,440
because Phil didn't like explain himself. It seemed like he said,

1059
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,400
whoever has ears to hear? But that sounds like an

1060
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,840
invitation for us to talk about it. But do you

1061
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:14,639
see that as like, as far as Maury's character and

1062
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:17,639
what they're doing with it, what would the type be?

1063
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,079
Speaker 2: That is a really good question. And I know that

1064
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:25,360
there have been some other episodes about the right l's right,

1065
00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:28,880
haven't their bare habits yet, so I don't have that context.

1066
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,880
So and I'm sure he was, you know, considering that

1067
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,920
in his comment too, So I'm not sure like he

1068
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:41,000
said before that those allusions to well, with his name

1069
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:44,480
to Mariarty and with his last name being sort of

1070
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:47,719
a play or a twist on the word riddle, that

1071
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,639
he's been setting him up to be sort of this

1072
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:56,079
this guy who's sort of an antagonist to the good

1073
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:59,519
guys for lack of a better term in Odyssey, but

1074
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,400
with the shift now with him being I don't know,

1075
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:08,199
a ward of wit and now this sort of change

1076
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:12,719
in attitude with him that that totally changes who that

1077
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,119
character kind of was set up to be in my mind.

1078
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:19,760
Obviously they've had a plan what they wanted to do,

1079
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,719
but I don't know, I really don't know what that

1080
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,119
would be.

1081
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why it's intriguing to me, because now he's

1082
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:30,559
he's a redeemed character, you know. Yeah, because like the

1083
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,199
when I think of types, I think of like Rodney

1084
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,679
Rathbone is a type. He's a bully, you know, and

1085
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,480
so they pull him out when they need the bully type,

1086
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:41,480
you know. Yeah, but I'm not sure what Maury's type

1087
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:44,519
is because he seems so specific and fleshed out, you know,

1088
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,599
But I'm gonna keep thinking about it.

1089
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:51,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that is really interesting because yeah, you think

1090
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:55,920
of a type is pretty pretty static, right like and

1091
00:56:56,119 --> 00:57:00,960
and so he's but Maury is not right, or at

1092
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:04,440
least he hasn't been recently. Like there's there's obviously a

1093
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:09,320
shift happening. So he's very I can.

1094
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 3: Kind of see it as like a type on the

1095
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:14,360
on the team, you know, he plays a specific role.

1096
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:14,599
Speaker 1: Now.

1097
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, in terms of in terms of that, did you

1098
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:22,559
ever read any of the GK. Chesterton father Brown mysteries.

1099
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: It's been a very very long time, but I did

1100
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:25,559
read a few of them.

1101
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 3: Well, there's this, there's a bunch of stories where it's

1102
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,719
the same thief that he keeps catching and he ends

1103
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,440
up converting him, and then he goes with him on

1104
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,079
his mysteries and he's like the redeemed you know, villain

1105
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:38,519
that's helping out the detective.

1106
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:42,679
Speaker 1: Now, so maybe ah Mary's type, the flambo type.

1107
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, well, maybe maybe that's what it is. And

1108
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,039
I know feels very well read, so it wouldn't surprise

1109
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:51,400
me if there's some illusions there.

1110
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of well read, I liked the C. S.

1111
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:58,239
Lewis quote at the end that makes where he says,

1112
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,800
a wise man once said, you know, you know what

1113
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:02,400
I'm talking about?

1114
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,079
Speaker 1: Help me out here.

1115
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: No I don't.

1116
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,199
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about. He said, it's

1117
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,400
Ed's an as Land quote.

1118
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,079
Speaker 3: So you could have said a wise lion once said,

1119
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,880
But it's when Aslan's talking to Lucy and he says,

1120
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:18,079
we are not told what would have happened or what

1121
00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:21,599
might have happened, and and Wit quotes that to Maury.

1122
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: Your face.

1123
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: Okay, well, no, that is great that you picked up

1124
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,800
on that, because I missed it. It's it's been a

1125
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,920
while since I've read the Chronicles of Narnia as well.

1126
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,239
Speaker 3: So okay, Well, anyways, I liked the reference to C. S.

1127
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,360
Lewis that Phil dropped in at the end.

1128
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool. You know. I love that kind of

1129
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,199
stuff too, even in reading a novel. I was just

1130
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:47,920
talking about this with a friend the other day, just

1131
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,599
a particular author who is always working in these different

1132
00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:54,559
literary illusions, and yeah, I just love that kind of stuff.

1133
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:58,199
And some people don't even notice it, because some of

1134
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,239
them are very, very subtle. But for the people who

1135
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,760
understand them, I think it's always fun. And you do

1136
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,199
have to be careful with that kind of stuff too,

1137
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:09,559
because you don't want it to distract from what's happening

1138
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:11,880
in your story, and you don't want it to seem

1139
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,679
like people are just name dropping all the time just

1140
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:15,880
for the fun of it. You know it's going to fit.

1141
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:18,159
But I love it when that happens.

1142
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:20,639
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, me too.

1143
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:24,599
Speaker 2: Well. That brings us to episode nine seventy nine. Wright notes,

1144
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:30,320
wrong key and this is the longest episode in this

1145
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:37,000
album of original material. Because Realizations Part three is right

1146
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,559
around the same length, but again, we had almost two

1147
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:42,800
minutes of a previously on at the beginning of that one,

1148
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,480
So this one's twenty five minutes long, and it's a

1149
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,440
you know, we're back to the whole Jewels trying to

1150
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:59,480
buck against punintended Connie's rules. And I have mixed feelings

1151
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:04,320
about this. I like the character of Jewels, but it

1152
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,360
does kind of feel like this has started to run

1153
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:07,960
its course.

1154
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,559
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I feel a little bit differently about this

1155
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:16,760
because I think these episodes, this one in particular, was

1156
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,840
something that really needed to happen in the in the

1157
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,599
Buck and Jewels storyline or the setup for these where

1158
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,719
this is going. So not to spoil anything, but I

1159
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:28,760
thought this at the time, so you know, I can

1160
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,679
say this without knowing the things that happen next. But

1161
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,639
something that I was thinking about the other day is

1162
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:39,199
that Honesty did something interesting with their main storylines, because

1163
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:41,679
what are their main story arcs right now? Are like,

1164
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:49,000
so there's the Rydell stuff, there's Buck and Jewels, there's Renee, and.

1165
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: There's like the Perkins family.

1166
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and all four of those the main focus of

1167
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,840
those storylines none of them are Christians, which is an

1168
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,639
interesting thing to do in a Christian radio show, but

1169
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:06,280
it does pose an interesting dilemma because if the protagonists

1170
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,000
of the stories are all non Christians, and if the

1171
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:12,480
protagonists of the stories are being used to teach Christian lessons,

1172
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:15,960
like has happened sometimes with Buck and Jewels, where even Jewels,

1173
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:18,599
even in the midst of her rebellion, she's because she's

1174
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:19,960
been influenced by Kanye and stuff.

1175
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: She'll help to teach lessons.

1176
01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 3: And Buck is a pretty good guy, but he's still

1177
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,159
not a Christian, you know. And then where all these

1178
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:29,239
kids are listening and they're all excited about Buck and

1179
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,000
Jewels getting together in a relationship.

1180
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: Well, what are we doing.

1181
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: We're setting up, you know, them to cheer for people

1182
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,920
that aren't Christians to be in a relationship and what's

1183
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,199
supposed to be a Christian audio drama, you know what

1184
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:41,679
I'm saying.

1185
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so they had to.

1186
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,239
Speaker 3: I think they had to, and I'm and I was

1187
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,280
glad that they did, because I was thinking of this

1188
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,199
in the King of my Hard episode.

1189
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: In my head.

1190
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm sure they are setting this up,

1191
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,880
but this feels I don't know whether to like cheer

1192
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,199
or boo. You know, like, I like, what are where

1193
01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:02,440
are we going with this? And you've seen all this

1194
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,800
stuff where there's fans that they call him Buckles, and

1195
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,320
they even alluded to that in the title of you know,

1196
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,159
Buckle Up. That can't be allowed to continue without drawing,

1197
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,559
without discussing it, you know, And I think that they

1198
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,159
in order to tell a good story and in order

1199
01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:18,719
to teach a good lesson through the story, I think

1200
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:24,239
it's important that they show the dangers and the detriments

1201
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,360
of two people that aren't Christians being together in the

1202
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,960
way that affects their mentality and their lives and how

1203
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,440
they if they don't have that solid foundation. And so

1204
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:36,840
I think we're in for a couple of hard storylines

1205
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,280
with buck and Jewels.

1206
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: And I think that needs to happen.

1207
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 3: I think that's so important for the kids to see

1208
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,159
that in order for like the audience kids, I mean

1209
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,599
to see that just so that there's clarity on why

1210
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:51,760
is it important to follow Jesus? You know, what does

1211
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,039
that make a difference? You know that, Like we're starting

1212
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:56,679
to see that with Morey, He's like hearing this voice

1213
01:02:56,719 --> 01:02:59,159
is conscience and we're seeing a change happening in him

1214
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,480
with Buck, and though it's kind of been like they're

1215
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:04,760
kind of becoming better people, but they have they have

1216
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,880
clearly not committed their lives to the Lord. And I

1217
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,880
think that if that was just left to like take

1218
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,559
a story course of they have this happy like love

1219
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:16,480
story where they're together, you know, that's not a good thing.

1220
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:18,320
You know, there needs to there needs to be some

1221
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:20,920
closure on that in one way or another.

1222
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:21,719
Speaker 2: You know.

1223
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,119
Speaker 1: So anyways, that's my two cents about it. I know

1224
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:26,800
that's uh. I came across with a strong opinion. I've

1225
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,039
been ready to talk about that, but yeah, go ahead.

1226
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: You you you were saying that you felt like it's

1227
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,320
it's like we've done this so much, so tell me

1228
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:34,840
more about that.

1229
01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: No. I think that is a really good point. Just

1230
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:41,920
looking at this episode in Isolation, though, it just kind

1231
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,360
of feels like we're a little bit retreading ground because

1232
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,079
we did the whole music thing already, right like right right,

1233
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:51,239
and and and she even alludes to that Hollywood wasn't

1234
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:53,639
for me. She says that Jule says that in this episode.

1235
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:56,079
But anyway, we'll get back to that in just a moment.

1236
01:03:56,159 --> 01:03:57,440
But I want to say that this was written and

1237
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,599
directed by Kathy Buchanan, with sound designed by Nathan Jones

1238
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,639
and music by John Campbell. So again, I like the

1239
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:10,280
character of Jewels, and I like the progression. I think,

1240
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,800
you know, she's moving at a slower rate than Buck is.

1241
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,320
I think in terms of, you know, trying to do

1242
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,960
the right thing. I don't know. I don't know what

1243
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:22,440
is a good pace. You know, It's it's tough how

1244
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:28,800
much of this lifestyle of deceit and whatever else has

1245
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:32,119
has been ingrained in her because she's still fairly young, right,

1246
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:37,000
but living with those kind of parents that she had.

1247
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,480
We saw the way her mother was, and we know

1248
01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:42,480
about her dad. We've been dealing with him on the

1249
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,400
show for many, many years. We know what he's like.

1250
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:48,000
So neither one of them are great role models. So

1251
01:04:48,519 --> 01:04:51,199
I guess it makes sense for her to really be

1252
01:04:51,239 --> 01:04:54,960
struggling with that. And yeah, it's it's it is an

1253
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,000
interesting point that you talk about with the relationship, and

1254
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:02,079
I'm totally in agreement with you on that point. I

1255
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:04,519
I don't know you So you think maybe they're going

1256
01:05:04,599 --> 01:05:07,719
to set this up where there's going to be an

1257
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,719
ending of the relationship or what do you think?

1258
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,119
Speaker 3: I do think that I think there needs to be

1259
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:16,480
a crash, and that that the only trajectory this could

1260
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:20,960
I think it would be teaching a different lesson. If

1261
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,039
they just continued in their relationship and then they both

1262
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:27,719
became Christians, I think that would be communicating the wrong

1263
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,559
idea about how that works.

1264
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:30,519
Speaker 1: You know.

1265
01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 3: Or even if they continue in the relationship, I mean

1266
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:36,559
they could do like they continue in the relationship and

1267
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:38,599
one of them became a Christian in the and then

1268
01:05:38,639 --> 01:05:40,920
they like but that they've definitely done that kind of

1269
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,280
thing before multiple times, you know, which that's fine, if

1270
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,400
you know, that's still a good lesson. It's important to

1271
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,639
get that ingrained in each new generation of honesty listeners.

1272
01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:54,400
But and they feed off of each other in negative ways.

1273
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,079
And I think that that if there's no consequences to that,

1274
01:05:57,159 --> 01:06:00,119
if it just starts to get positive, then that's a problem,

1275
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:03,599
you know, And I don't I don't think that's been

1276
01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:07,280
clearly brought out prior to this. It seems like it

1277
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,400
seems even the way like their character jobs, they move

1278
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,840
around a little bit because in each episode, you know,

1279
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:16,519
you need somebody who's going to be the conscience and

1280
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,400
Buck and Jewels have served as that in different episodes

1281
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,000
here and there, even though they're not in a good

1282
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,079
place themselves, you know, and it's and so whenever that happens,

1283
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:27,920
and they chalk it up to, well, they've been around

1284
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,480
these great influences, which is true, and their behavior does

1285
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:34,000
improve in certain ways. And yet we're not just trying

1286
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:37,320
to modify behavior, you know. There needs to be a

1287
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,119
transformation that only happens with Jesus, you know, right, And

1288
01:06:41,239 --> 01:06:44,559
yet like are the way that the fans interact with it.

1289
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:49,159
Sometimes I am like, huh, I wonder what fans are

1290
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:52,079
taking away with the like ten year old girl who's

1291
01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:55,280
excited about Buck and Jeweles finally being boyfriend and girlfriend

1292
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,880
is she how is she thinking about this scenario?

1293
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,639
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, and and.

1294
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:03,519
Speaker 3: So and Buck especially that is such a dangerous place

1295
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:06,480
to be in because he is turned into such a

1296
01:07:06,519 --> 01:07:09,280
good guy and he's always been very like smooth and

1297
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,880
polite and courteous, like even when he was a con artist,

1298
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,400
you know. Yeah, and he keeps having these with him.

1299
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,079
I felt like we did we over and over. We

1300
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:17,920
kept going back to like, oh, and now he's slipping

1301
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,440
back into his old life, you know. And yeah, but

1302
01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:22,440
I think the reason they kept doing that is because

1303
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:25,880
until he if he just becomes a good guy but

1304
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,199
who's not following God or believing in the Bible or

1305
01:07:29,199 --> 01:07:32,360
anything like that, that that could promote some good lessons.

1306
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,800
But we need to address that in the world of Odyssey,

1307
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,079
you know, like that needs to be addressed somehow. And

1308
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:39,280
he has just kind of and he serves as like

1309
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:40,880
jewels conscience in this episode.

1310
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And I had that exact thing in

1311
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,400
my notes. I said, Buck is suddenly becoming Jewels conscience

1312
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:48,159
in this episode.

1313
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,119
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, But then they they pull back enough

1314
01:07:52,159 --> 01:07:54,480
to where he says, and this is this is the

1315
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:55,119
key moment.

1316
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: I think. Let's see.

1317
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 3: I think I wrote it down, the moment where he

1318
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,360
says you should do it, when he's saying when he's

1319
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:01,960
giving in.

1320
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: To what she wants to do.

1321
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: And I can't remember if that's in terms of like

1322
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,119
joining the band without telling Connie, or if that's I

1323
01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:08,920
think that's what it is.

1324
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: That's it. He's like, well, if you if it makes.

1325
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 3: You happy, you should do it, even though he's got

1326
01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:15,519
doubts about whether this is a good thing for her.

1327
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,920
You know, that's the moment where that was that needed

1328
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,279
to happen in order for their relationship to progress, because

1329
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,119
because he's he's giving in and saying, Okay, I've been

1330
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:30,359
your conscience, but I don't have a moral grounding to

1331
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,800
say why because he keeps saying you should just do

1332
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:33,439
the right thing.

1333
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: And this is in a later episode, but Jason's like,

1334
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,359
does Buck know what the right thing is?

1335
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:38,319
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah?

1336
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,319
Speaker 1: And that's like exactly, that's what I've been thinking, you know.

1337
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and Jules even says, well, you keep talking,

1338
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,479
you're talking in circles. You're seeing him do the right thing,

1339
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,039
but what is the right thing? And you know, right, yeah,

1340
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:50,239
that's a good point.

1341
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:55,119
Speaker 3: Her worldview is very clear, like do what's best for you,

1342
01:08:55,119 --> 01:08:57,800
you know, and if there's people you care about, you

1343
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,760
can help them out. But otherwise and that that is

1344
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,000
going to lead to destruction, you know that can't continue

1345
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:07,000
on on that path without it having consequences, you know,

1346
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:11,720
that kind of thinking. And Jules, she her character. She

1347
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,159
serves a purpose as a character as long as she's

1348
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:18,720
an antagonist to Connie. Like those first episodes where she

1349
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,840
was introduced where she had that really dark worldview about

1350
01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:23,960
life is a food chain or whatever it was. She

1351
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,720
was saying at Connie's mom's funeral and all those dark things.

1352
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:32,720
That is where her purpose as a character is fleshed

1353
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,680
out the best. But if she's gonna be changing, then

1354
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,560
her character purpose is going to change also, and that's

1355
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,680
already kind of been happening. But they keep pulling her

1356
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:46,039
back into this other way of thinking, which until that

1357
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:48,840
way of thinking is completely changed, until there's complete repentance,

1358
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:50,720
like that is where she's always going to go.

1359
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: You know. So I do think they're taking them somewhere,

1360
01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:55,479
that's it.

1361
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: I think you're right, they're taking him somewhere. There has

1362
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:02,399
to be a trajectory for the care character because if

1363
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:06,319
there's an overnight or instant change, it's gonna feel cheap.

1364
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:09,279
It's not going to feel genuine. It's it's not it's

1365
01:10:09,319 --> 01:10:12,239
just not going to work. And and they've never been

1366
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:17,039
about just neat and tidy packages, you know, that's that's

1367
01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:22,119
not it's not the it's not the best illustration of

1368
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:31,520
exactly exactly. And this is serious stuff. But there is

1369
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,960
a couple of parts where I thought it was quite

1370
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:38,560
humorous where she's talking about this. I think she's talking

1371
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,840
to Buck. Yeah, I think it was in a conversation

1372
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,039
to Buck, I don't think it was talking to Bridget,

1373
01:10:44,119 --> 01:10:48,319
but she's she's exaggerating Connie's objection to the band. She's like,

1374
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,079
they're not Christians. Pretty soon you'll be robbing banks and

1375
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:59,079
plotting dance offs.

1376
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 3: And yeah, you can hear like, I've I know people

1377
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,560
that think about, like, uh, the scruples of Christian parents

1378
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,359
exactly that way. Yeah, like I've heard those things from

1379
01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:09,039
like friends of mine in the past, you know those

1380
01:11:09,079 --> 01:11:11,159
kinds or she another place she says, I don't know

1381
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:13,000
if it was even in this album, but she says,

1382
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:15,439
Connie wants me to marry. She won't let me marry

1383
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,319
unless it's to a missionary or something something like that.

1384
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, you see her her viewpoint coming out there.

1385
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 2: She's obviously, you know, in this particular scene, she's obviously

1386
01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:28,640
over exaggerating it on purpose because you can hear that

1387
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,920
in her voice. So she's she knows that Connie didn't

1388
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,560
really say that. She's not really saying that Connie actually

1389
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,560
believes that, but she's she's also letting us know that

1390
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,399
she's so far away from where Connie is in terms

1391
01:11:41,399 --> 01:11:44,960
of spirituality that she feels like it's okay for her

1392
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,000
to characterize her sister in that way.

1393
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1394
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 2: But right at the beginning, we have a mention of

1395
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,520
Frankie's Barbecue Shack. Is this a new eatery? In honesty,

1396
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,239
I've never heard this one mentioned before, unless my memory

1397
01:11:59,239 --> 01:12:00,600
is bad, which isn't possible.

1398
01:12:01,039 --> 01:12:03,520
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think it has been mentioned. But I

1399
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,720
like that they they you know, if they're gonna have

1400
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,239
an edgy band playing there, they can't be playing at

1401
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:09,720
Hol's Diner with you know.

1402
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:10,359
Speaker 1: They need it.

1403
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:14,199
Speaker 3: And I like that it's like off the interstate, you know, like, yeah,

1404
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:15,399
it sounds like a real like.

1405
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: Sounds like a classy place. I'll tell you.

1406
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:24,039
Speaker 2: Can we talk about the bands now, Ravioli and deep

1407
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:25,880
Fried Fear was it?

1408
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 3: Those are great band names, great, I have no complaints

1409
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:29,640
about the band names.

1410
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,159
Speaker 1: Fantastic, hilarious.

1411
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 2: And in the guy's names too, they totally sound like

1412
01:12:35,039 --> 01:12:38,359
rock band guys Runner Razin Dominic.

1413
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, I thought the same. I wrote down

1414
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:41,640
the exact same thing.

1415
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 2: That's so funny, hilarious stuff.

1416
01:12:44,079 --> 01:12:49,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, the great, great character characterizations. And I was very

1417
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:52,359
caught off guard by Bridget being the singer in this

1418
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,920
band that vultural places like I, I did not see

1419
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,800
that coming. And she has a good voice for for

1420
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,319
this style of the music.

1421
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:04,039
Speaker 1: But like I liked her her voice voice, Yeah.

1422
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she was quite good. I'm assuming that that

1423
01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:11,319
was really the actress Keeley Marshall. I'm not certain of that,

1424
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:12,760
but it sounded like she probably was.

1425
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me.

1426
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 2: And we already know that Shonakan sing and she's got

1427
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,199
a great singing voice too, And I really liked hearing

1428
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:22,680
her in this one. I just thought, you know, we've

1429
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,800
heard her do other styles of music, right, She's done

1430
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:30,279
the Western stuff in what was that Legacy, and of

1431
01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:33,520
course in real life we've heard her sing with Will

1432
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,520
Ryan and that's, you know, a Western sound. And then

1433
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,039
she's done like the old jazz sort of standards kind

1434
01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:44,960
of thing, the pop songs and the pop stuff in

1435
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,840
California California Dreams. And then in this one more the

1436
01:13:49,359 --> 01:13:53,319
straight up rock and roll or more modern rock style.

1437
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,279
She just great in all of them.

1438
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, she does. She does.

1439
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,159
Speaker 3: It reminded me of like Hawk Nelson's music.

1440
01:14:02,279 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like that that kind of sound.

1441
01:14:05,359 --> 01:14:08,399
Speaker 3: And I like the differentiation of the characters of like

1442
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,119
Bridget and Jewels that because again it's two characters that

1443
01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:15,000
aren't Christian. And it's so interesting the way they're using

1444
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,960
Bridget in different ways, you know, because we see her

1445
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,439
with her family and then we see her in this episode.

1446
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,479
She's like the bad guy in this episode for you know,

1447
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,880
but but she's She's another one of my favorite new characters. Honestly,

1448
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,800
I love I love the role that she plays. But

1449
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:35,720
she is such a jerk. Like when she's like talking

1450
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,560
to the audience, it's just like are you even listening?

1451
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,079
And it's just like how she talks to the customers

1452
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:43,560
that the burger plays exactly.

1453
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,039
Speaker 2: Yes, I thought the same thing was so funny.

1454
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's interesting to see her in these different settings.

1455
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,079
And then there's like the one with where she's in

1456
01:14:52,119 --> 01:14:56,680
the Imagination station, you know, with Pastor Knox, which is

1457
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,479
another setting, you know, And I like that they have

1458
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:00,880
her in all these different settings.

1459
01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:04,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like the Perkins family as well, and I

1460
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:08,279
think this character is interesting. It is kind of sad

1461
01:15:08,279 --> 01:15:10,960
though it felt like there was starting to be some

1462
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,800
sort of a friendship between the two and then this

1463
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,880
is this just like splits it right down the middle.

1464
01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. We didn't have them as friends for very long.

1465
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1466
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And this is just a random line, but

1467
01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:29,199
I liked it's towards the beginning where when Bridget walks

1468
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:31,279
off the stage and one of the band members says,

1469
01:15:31,319 --> 01:15:33,039
I need to punch something, and the other guy goes,

1470
01:15:33,079 --> 01:15:33,680
how about Ratz?

1471
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:41,199
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that was good. Yeah, And then we

1472
01:15:41,319 --> 01:15:46,319
have Jewels actually lies to Connie about these guys attending

1473
01:15:46,399 --> 01:15:49,840
church or in a Christian school and everything, and so

1474
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:53,760
again this goes into this arc that this character is on.

1475
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,840
It's an interesting choice though, you know, I'm sure they're

1476
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:02,520
thinking very deep about how to do this, but again,

1477
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,960
just looking at this episode in isolation, because you never

1478
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,800
know who's listening to one episode and might not hear

1479
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,840
something I didn't think. Again, you know, it's it's a

1480
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,840
it's a tough balance to try to strike what they're

1481
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,039
doing with this character and also making sure that it's

1482
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:20,800
clear to the audience what you know, what's good and

1483
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,319
what's right here and what's not Yeah.

1484
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because there's no like happy resolution at the

1485
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,279
end of this Yeah, and it ends with that ominous

1486
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:34,560
note of Gunner saying I would do anything for you, yeah,

1487
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:35,960
which creep exactly.

1488
01:16:36,079 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 2: It was borderline creepy. Borderline creepy. Yeah.

1489
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that gives me like a little pit myself.

1490
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:47,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, uh, but it's it felt like sort of

1491
01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:52,159
like setting up something else where he's gonna obviously he's

1492
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:55,159
he's got a thing for her. It would seem.

1493
01:16:55,119 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 3: Setting him up as an antagonist to Buck contrast to Buck. Which,

1494
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,479
speaking of Buck, one of the motifs I really liked

1495
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,720
in these last three episodes because it's like, there's the

1496
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,760
three parter with the ry Ells, and then there's this

1497
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,520
standalone with Jewels, and then there's a.

1498
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:10,319
Speaker 1: Two parter with Buck.

1499
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 3: But the last three were almost like a three parter

1500
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:18,279
because they're happening concurrently, right, And what I really liked

1501
01:17:18,279 --> 01:17:21,039
about how they like the phone calls and how in

1502
01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:23,399
both of these episodes. Sorry, you were probably about to

1503
01:17:23,399 --> 01:17:27,479
say that, but I just I really liked that device,

1504
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,640
that storytelling device of hearing the phone calls from Jewels

1505
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,039
end in this episode and then hearing them from Bucks

1506
01:17:33,119 --> 01:17:34,960
end and seeing what's going on with him in the

1507
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:35,479
next episode.

1508
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 2: That was so good. I love that. That was definitely

1509
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,760
in my notes. I thought that was really really cool.

1510
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,359
It's similar it's different, but it's similar to the sort

1511
01:17:46,399 --> 01:17:48,319
of thing we had with the Snow episodes a while back.

1512
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,239
Speaker 1: Yes, which I really like that too. That I thought

1513
01:17:50,279 --> 01:17:51,159
that was so creative.

1514
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 2: And this is Kathy Buchanan again, who I think she

1515
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,399
didn't she write most or a few of those Snow episodes.

1516
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,079
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, or I think they may be labor that's right.

1517
01:18:01,039 --> 01:18:03,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, but she was involved, if I

1518
01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:07,119
remember correctly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so but yeah, so she

1519
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:09,920
does that here with these three episodes. Yeah, I thought

1520
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,079
that was a really really cool thing too. One thing though,

1521
01:18:13,119 --> 01:18:16,159
before we move on to the last ones, a little

1522
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:18,479
sound design note. Did you pick up on this the

1523
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,319
effect that Nate Jones uses on Buck's voice when he's

1524
01:18:22,359 --> 01:18:24,800
on the phone. So we're hearing him on the phone

1525
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:28,439
from Jewels perspective, right, and the effect on it was

1526
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,640
really odd. It was very choppy, like it sounded like

1527
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,600
his phone was like a bad connection or something like that.

1528
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,640
You know, it was interesting, just a little. I mean,

1529
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,600
it's not bad or good. It was just something that

1530
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,800
I noticed. It was an interesting decision to use that,

1531
01:18:45,319 --> 01:18:48,640
and so I made sure to listen to very closely

1532
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,319
to the phone calls in the next ones on my

1533
01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:53,319
read listen to see if it was the same way

1534
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,920
for Jewels. But it wasn't. It was different, and that's

1535
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:58,800
probably because it was different sound designers.

1536
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 3: I thought you had something you're like, because they have

1537
01:19:04,079 --> 01:19:08,159
different They clearly have different cell providers in Baltimore versus

1538
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:08,880
odysty and.

1539
01:19:10,279 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 2: No, I did. I did think that maybe it was

1540
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:17,439
you know, Bucks coming through to Jewels. You know it's

1541
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,560
gonna sounded different on her end. Yeah, And so I

1542
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,640
mean because there are different there are different sound design

1543
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,319
softwares that have like pre sets for this. You know,

1544
01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:27,600
it's supposed to make it sound like it's on a

1545
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,279
cell phone or whatever, and so it's it was just

1546
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:36,119
obvious that he intentionally used a very distinct sound for

1547
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:38,439
the way Buck's voice was coming through. So it was

1548
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:42,319
just something that I noticed. But yeah, great, So this

1549
01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:44,680
one wraps up again. The raps in this album were

1550
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:45,520
actually quite good.

1551
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, I've had a note about that too.

1552
01:19:49,039 --> 01:19:53,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Chris talks about addressing pride here and using

1553
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:56,279
our gifts properly, which both of those issues are obviously

1554
01:19:56,279 --> 01:19:59,319
on display here. So but there's so many people we

1555
01:19:59,399 --> 01:20:01,680
know this, We've I've heard this over and over the

1556
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,079
people bail at the end of the episode before the

1557
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,359
rap comes on, and they don't listen to the full thing,

1558
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,760
and it's a shame. People really need to listen to them.

1559
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,039
Speaker 3: I know, especially in this album, it felt like the

1560
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:17,399
raps were really important to get across the point that

1561
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,560
was being made or that was, you know, the lesson,

1562
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,359
because some of these episodes were a little ambiguous and

1563
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:26,560
was what was happening.

1564
01:20:27,039 --> 01:20:31,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, morally, I've definitely heard people, even in my own family,

1565
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,239
I've heard people that they as soon as Chris comes on,

1566
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:37,479
they'd skip to the next episode. I'm like, don't do that.

1567
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:38,960
You get to listen to the whole thing.

1568
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 3: Ye.

1569
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,039
Speaker 2: Well, that I think puts a rap on episode nine

1570
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:47,840
seventy nine, and that brings us to making an Honest

1571
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,840
Buck Part one and two, nine eighty nine eighty one.

1572
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,079
And as I said, these were also written by Kathy

1573
01:20:56,079 --> 01:20:59,560
Buchanan and the sound designer on these where Lukeno and

1574
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:03,600
Zach Schneider on both of these episodes, with music by

1575
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,800
John Campbell. And yeah, as you mentioned, these two episodes

1576
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,600
are happening concurrently with the previous one, and that was

1577
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,319
just a really interesting touch they've they've not done this

1578
01:21:14,359 --> 01:21:16,840
sort of thing very often, so it's cool when they do.

1579
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:19,800
As as you said that the phone call thing was

1580
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,840
was super cool, and we hear little snippets on sort

1581
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,760
of like each end of the conversation, so it's not

1582
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:31,479
like the exact same phone call in both episodes. You

1583
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,960
hear parts of it in one episode and then like

1584
01:21:34,039 --> 01:21:36,680
it will continue a little bit further or maybe it

1585
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,760
started a little bit earlier in the other episode, or

1586
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,640
vice versa. You know, it was just a really cool

1587
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:42,359
way that they did it.

1588
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, that kept it from feeling just too repetitive, like

1589
01:21:45,359 --> 01:21:46,600
exactly this scene before.

1590
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 2: Ye, but we right at the beginning, we hear Eugene

1591
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:58,279
is in Lisbon. Yeah, so you know, I sort of

1592
01:21:58,319 --> 01:22:00,399
poked fun a little fun at the I think it

1593
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,920
was the well I was thinking it was part two

1594
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:07,319
of rydal about the cops giving the computer back to

1595
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,439
them after I was used in a crime. But I've

1596
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,359
heard some people say in the fandom, you know, there's

1597
01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:14,960
absolutely no way the police would recruit Buck to help

1598
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,439
them with an investigation. But in this case, I'm going

1599
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:22,520
to defend the AIO team because I'm a bit of

1600
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,239
a true crime junkie and I have been for many years.

1601
01:22:25,239 --> 01:22:28,239
I've read so many true crime books and I've listened

1602
01:22:28,279 --> 01:22:31,600
to hours of true crime podcasts, and it's actually not

1603
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,359
that uncommon for local land regional police to use civilians

1604
01:22:35,399 --> 01:22:37,520
to do the sort of things that Buck does here.

1605
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:41,319
You know, they'll ask them to wear a wire and

1606
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,520
try to get somebody to talk about a crime, or

1607
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,119
they'll ask them to help them collect DNA samples. I mean,

1608
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:50,680
this is not a thing that is unheard of. So

1609
01:22:51,159 --> 01:22:54,560
for the people that I've seen saying that this is unrealistic,

1610
01:22:55,279 --> 01:22:58,039
I think I would disagree. Now, I don't know how

1611
01:22:58,079 --> 01:23:00,640
frequently like federal police would do that because this is

1612
01:23:01,239 --> 01:23:04,760
an essay, right, but I know that it happens quite

1613
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:09,600
a bit with you know, local municipality police forces, So

1614
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:11,279
I don't think it's as much of a stretch as

1615
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:12,560
some people were making it out to be.

1616
01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:14,560
Speaker 1: There, you have it, you convinced me.

1617
01:23:17,239 --> 01:23:22,159
Speaker 2: But it is an interesting whole idea and it works out.

1618
01:23:22,199 --> 01:23:25,199
You know that Katrina is a teacher as well, so

1619
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,319
they could bring her into the situation.

1620
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:28,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1621
01:23:28,359 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 2: I actually enjoyed these two episodes the most out of

1622
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,600
these six. I thought these were the well I don't

1623
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:36,800
know if I'll go so far as to say they're

1624
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:38,880
the best, but they're my favorites of this album.

1625
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1626
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,159
Speaker 3: I was excited when I saw that Jason was going

1627
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:45,439
to be involved with something with the Meltzner's in Baltimore,

1628
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,880
and so I was looking forward to it. And we

1629
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,520
first listened to these episodes in Hawaii, so that added

1630
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:50,720
to it.

1631
01:23:51,159 --> 01:23:55,319
Speaker 2: Ah. I love that where Katrina's being all mama bear

1632
01:23:55,399 --> 01:23:58,279
and that scene in the classroom where oh yeah, the

1633
01:23:58,319 --> 01:24:00,880
guys had been picking on Bucalo little bit and she

1634
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,880
comes walking over. He is everything okay over here?

1635
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like fuck? Was it? Like? I'm fine, Miss Shanks.

1636
01:24:11,319 --> 01:24:12,079
Speaker 2: That was funny.

1637
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,039
Speaker 3: At first, I was like, why is Jillian? Why are

1638
01:24:15,039 --> 01:24:18,439
they going roundabout and having Jillian talk to Jason to

1639
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,680
talk to Buck? You know, why are they bringing Jason

1640
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,640
and not just using Jillian? And then I realized she's

1641
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,760
still undercover and the Meltzers don't know that she's a

1642
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,720
secret agent, so they needed she was using somebody that

1643
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,439
they already knew. Yeah, but it is also I was

1644
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,479
also wondering why she was on this particular case, so

1645
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:41,760
apparently she's working other cases from Odyssey. Yeah, but you know,

1646
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:46,079
I don't know how the NSA works, so so I'm

1647
01:24:46,079 --> 01:24:46,960
willing to believe it.

1648
01:24:49,079 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so we have Eugenie and Lisbon, and then

1649
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:56,359
we also have a mention of another country. Well, Lisbon's

1650
01:24:56,359 --> 01:24:58,479
not a country. I know. I realized that I'm not

1651
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,279
that stupid about geography.

1652
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: But well, neither is al Janistan.

1653
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 2: Oh well, I was getting I was getting ready to

1654
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,920
mention that al Janastan. Yeah. I was like, okay, you know,

1655
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,600
we've talked about the brand thing before, how they never

1656
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,960
want to mention brand names, you know, the Appleberry phone

1657
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,439
and all this kind of stuff, which is kind of fun,

1658
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,560
you know. I get that, like you don't want to

1659
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:22,279
necessarily endorse products, but this one is still a little

1660
01:25:22,279 --> 01:25:24,319
bit interesting to me. I don't understand the need for

1661
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:28,920
a fake country name, Like the Brinkmans have done this

1662
01:25:29,079 --> 01:25:32,640
before because they're using real missionary stories and they don't

1663
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:36,199
want to give out the location where these missionaries are

1664
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:39,880
working for their own safety, so they've used fake country

1665
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,159
names there. But this one, I don't really understand the

1666
01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:46,359
need for it here. But it definitely made me chuckle

1667
01:25:46,399 --> 01:25:47,680
to hear the made up name.

1668
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 3: Have you heard any of the recent Pergins family episodes

1669
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,000
with the Dad have been released on the club.

1670
01:25:54,359 --> 01:25:58,199
Speaker 2: I haven't d okay, I'm very I'm very far behind.

1671
01:26:00,119 --> 01:26:02,359
Speaker 3: It's a different country there, and I but it was

1672
01:26:02,399 --> 01:26:05,079
one that, oh what's it because they've used another one before,

1673
01:26:05,119 --> 01:26:07,119
like Rakistan or something like that.

1674
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.

1675
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 3: And I feel like maybe they use different country names

1676
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:17,680
when whatever the story is would reflect badly on that

1677
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,399
country and they don't want to stir up like any

1678
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:21,960
I see, you know, I think they just want to

1679
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,840
cover themselves, like like in this case, his dad got

1680
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,760
killed in this other country. And uh, that's been my

1681
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:33,000
impression is that's when they choose to go with a okay,

1682
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,479
made up country.

1683
01:26:34,359 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 2: That makes sense.

1684
01:26:35,119 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 1: I can.

1685
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,159
Speaker 2: I could get behind that. I mean, did we not

1686
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:40,159
do that in what was it called The Sound of Freedom?

1687
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:42,800
Where we had that it was it was obviously in

1688
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,079
North Korea reference, but they never ever say Korea, right.

1689
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, yeah, yeah, you're right, they did do that.

1690
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 2: I don't remember if they actually gave it a different name.

1691
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 3: And they're talking like all the way back talking about

1692
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,640
like Vietnam, and I was but like the Price of

1693
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,520
Freedom is what that one was. But yeah, I think

1694
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,800
Sound of Freedom, right is the newer one with the

1695
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:02,319
North Koreer.

1696
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 2: That's a club one too. I may have a title wrong,

1697
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:06,039
so don't quote me on that.

1698
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: But okay, I won't.

1699
01:27:08,279 --> 01:27:15,359
Speaker 2: It's something, it's something about freedom, which we love. But

1700
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,640
you know, part one of this one ends on a

1701
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,880
really suspenseful note, like we're we're with Buck up in

1702
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,359
the parents' bedroom and then we suddenly hear that the

1703
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:25,399
dad is going to be coming up to the bedroom.

1704
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,479
We're like, oh yeah, and then they end it right there.

1705
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:28,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1706
01:27:28,279 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that this cliffhanger felt different than like other cliffhangers,

1707
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,479
which are a little more like, oh, I knew they

1708
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:35,800
were going to end it there this one. I was

1709
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,880
expecting another scene and then it's like, oh, nope, we're done,

1710
01:27:42,079 --> 01:27:46,039
and we have a Is it Grayson Smith that's playing Brandon.

1711
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Now it's cool to hear him again.

1712
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:50,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1713
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,039
Speaker 2: I did forget to mention this in the last In

1714
01:27:53,079 --> 01:27:55,760
the last episode with the right notes, Wrong key, we

1715
01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:00,359
got to hear Evan David, another Focus employee, as the

1716
01:28:00,399 --> 01:28:03,399
stage manager at that contest. I think it was at

1717
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,960
the Fair, the Fair contest where they competed there. The

1718
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:12,479
bands so that was cool to hear him. Yeah, but yeah, Grayson,

1719
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,079
I think I mentioned this in the episode where we

1720
01:28:15,119 --> 01:28:18,920
talked about the recap of One Grand Party, but got

1721
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,800
to meet him in person there again. We'd talked with him.

1722
01:28:23,279 --> 01:28:26,319
How many years ago was that? Twenty seventeen? Was that?

1723
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't remember when that was. I think that

1724
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:29,840
was when I first met you.

1725
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:34,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, and that's when we interviewed Grayson and

1726
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:39,079
the other finalists. Yeah but anyway.

1727
01:28:39,039 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: Sorry, random trip done memory lane there.

1728
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 2: Yea. Yeah, So got to chat with him at the

1729
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:50,079
One Grand Party again and sort of catch up for

1730
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,199
a few minutes, and he remembered meeting us that first time.

1731
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,000
But anyway, yeah, so it's cool to hear him. You know,

1732
01:28:58,319 --> 01:29:01,680
I've sort of felt bad, you know, because Jewels won

1733
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,039
the first time, and like she became like a mainstay

1734
01:29:04,039 --> 01:29:07,399
on the show, and then he wins and he got

1735
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,600
to perform on the cruise and then he did a

1736
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,199
couple of bit parts, and I mean, it's still cool.

1737
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:15,359
I mean, don't get me wrong, that's a great prize.

1738
01:29:15,359 --> 01:29:19,279
And they never they never committed to the fact that

1739
01:29:19,319 --> 01:29:22,239
this the winner would be a recurring regular character. So

1740
01:29:22,279 --> 01:29:25,319
that was just Jewels just happened to be in the

1741
01:29:25,399 --> 01:29:28,720
right place at the right time and where the story

1742
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:33,359
was on the show. It just fit perfectly, and so anyway, but.

1743
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 3: That's why it's cool to see him playing these characters

1744
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,399
in more and more shows.

1745
01:29:38,199 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 2: And more of a central character in this particular episode too.

1746
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.

1747
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 2: And you know, I was talking about how I was

1748
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,359
kind of feeling bad about Bridget and Jewels having this

1749
01:29:49,399 --> 01:29:52,600
falling out, and this one really felt bad because man,

1750
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:56,520
it felt like Buck's struggle, you know, with trying to

1751
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,159
you know, gain friends and just feeling, you know, the

1752
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:02,560
fish out of water sort of thing in a new school.

1753
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,319
I thought that was those are those are really important

1754
01:30:07,359 --> 01:30:10,840
and relatable issues for kids, and I was I was

1755
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,039
always growing up. I was always the quiet kid that

1756
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:18,079
struggled to make friends as well. So I get that.

1757
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,600
And so the fact that he was had finally found

1758
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:24,800
somebody that he connected with and then of course he

1759
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:30,039
loses that friendship. It felt like a big loss, and

1760
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,079
you understand why he struggled so much with what he

1761
01:30:34,119 --> 01:30:35,199
should do in this situation.

1762
01:30:36,039 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I felt a lot more like this episode

1763
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,000
was a lot more morally ambiguous, and I don't know

1764
01:30:42,039 --> 01:30:44,640
if it was just me, because I feel like other

1765
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:46,880
people that I've talked to are like, well, yeah, that

1766
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,840
was the right thing to do, and I was much

1767
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:51,920
more when I was listening as like I don't know that.

1768
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,760
And I always feel a little uncomfortable with, you know,

1769
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,520
the spy stuff using deception in order to accomplish a

1770
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,239
greater good, and it just feels very much like a

1771
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,880
ends justify the means kind of thing. But there are

1772
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,920
those kinds of things in the Bible, with like the

1773
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:13,439
Midwives to Pharaoh, and the Lord even tells Samuel same

1774
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,239
as like Saul's gonna kill me if I go annoint

1775
01:31:15,279 --> 01:31:17,000
David and he's like, oh, well, take a heifer and

1776
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,960
say you're going to do a sacrifice, and you know

1777
01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:22,960
that's like that's concealing, you know, some information, but the

1778
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,439
Lord told him to do it, and honesty, he's taking

1779
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:26,920
a very strong stance on it.

1780
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: Well, maybe I shouldn't say that.

1781
01:31:29,119 --> 01:31:31,119
Speaker 3: Like the way they pitched it was like we need

1782
01:31:31,159 --> 01:31:33,680
to wrestle with these ethical dilemmas like with that, I

1783
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,079
don't know what's at the room of consequence. When Renee

1784
01:31:36,279 --> 01:31:40,000
with the Nazis and the Jews and there was something

1785
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,600
else too, but it felt like they were taking a

1786
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,159
stance on like, yes, you know, sometimes you gotta lie

1787
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:47,399
to protect lives or whatever, like that's that's the way

1788
01:31:47,399 --> 01:31:48,199
it came across to me.

1789
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we have the you talk about biblical examples.

1790
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:56,079
Speaker 3: You mean you have Rayhab, Yeah, Rayhab and Jonathan, you know,

1791
01:31:56,479 --> 01:32:00,560
he tells a lie to protect David, and but every

1792
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:02,680
I just always feel like I'm opening the door to

1793
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,760
moral relativism all.

1794
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:05,640
Speaker 1: These kind of things.

1795
01:32:06,199 --> 01:32:08,520
Speaker 3: And they've they've brought it up with Jason doing the

1796
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,840
spy work in the past, like with the Labyrinth. He

1797
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,119
talks about being caught in the Labyrinth of deceit, and

1798
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:17,239
mister Widaker was talking to him about, you know, how

1799
01:32:17,279 --> 01:32:19,039
do you protect the truth of the lie? But I

1800
01:32:19,079 --> 01:32:21,199
never feel like it's resolved, you know, which I guess

1801
01:32:21,239 --> 01:32:23,319
it's maybe it's not intended to be because it's something

1802
01:32:23,359 --> 01:32:26,079
that we have to wrestle with. But I'm uncomfortable with

1803
01:32:26,119 --> 01:32:30,920
it yet, Like those biblical examples do keep me from

1804
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,840
just being like that's ridiculous, you know, So I am

1805
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:36,560
I am a little bit torn because the Bible also

1806
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,479
says that God hates lying, you know, he hates a

1807
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:44,319
lying tongue, he hates deceeed, you know. And and so

1808
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,239
I do wrestle with this this one. I came around,

1809
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:50,159
you know, as I was thinking through it a little

1810
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:54,960
bit to seeing that you do have to, like, if

1811
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,079
somebody's doing something wrong, you have to turn them over

1812
01:32:57,199 --> 01:32:59,399
to the authorities, even if it's going to hurt a friend,

1813
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,800
you know. And yet as I was listening through it,

1814
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:06,239
I was feeling for Bryden too, you know, yeah, I was.

1815
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:08,800
And the rap we were talking about how good the

1816
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:10,520
raps were in these, But the rap at the end

1817
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:12,920
of this, like first one, was like, you know, sometimes

1818
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,159
we go through hard times, like the Apostle Paul, but

1819
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:16,880
we got to do what's right for Jesus. And I

1820
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,399
was like, so is Buck the one going through the

1821
01:33:19,399 --> 01:33:23,319
hard times but doing what's right by taking this DNA sample?

1822
01:33:23,359 --> 01:33:25,720
Like is he the Apostle Paul in the scenario or

1823
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,720
is it more talking about like he's you know, going

1824
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,880
through hardships, not having friends, but he moved for his parents,

1825
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:32,159
you know.

1826
01:33:32,119 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: Like I don't know.

1827
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:36,079
Speaker 3: I was at the rap actually, I wasn't clear how

1828
01:33:36,119 --> 01:33:40,600
the episode was teaching it necessarily, So sorry, I'm I'm

1829
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:41,600
rambling again.

1830
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 2: But no, that's that's fine. I didn't I didn't have

1831
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:47,159
a note about the rap on this one, so maybe, Yeah,

1832
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:51,159
I can see totally where you're coming from. And it

1833
01:33:51,239 --> 01:33:54,720
is tough, I mean, because you're right that, I mean,

1834
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:58,239
you can't just allow criminals to run wild. But the

1835
01:33:58,279 --> 01:34:02,000
whole dynamic there of trying to understand Yeah, but I'm

1836
01:34:02,039 --> 01:34:05,119
gonna hurt this kid who's completely innocent. Yeah, I mean,

1837
01:34:05,159 --> 01:34:08,079
it's not his fault that his parents are. At that point,

1838
01:34:08,119 --> 01:34:10,840
we didn't know which parent is involved in this stuff,

1839
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:15,760
and he does get hurt. Maybe that's why they put

1840
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,600
in that thread where things were actually starting to get

1841
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,359
better between him and his stepdad, right, right.

1842
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,279
Speaker 1: I do feel like that was one of the reasons

1843
01:34:24,279 --> 01:34:24,560
for that.

1844
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1845
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Jason addresses it with Buck talking about, yeah,

1846
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,199
sometimes innocent people do get hurt when we do the

1847
01:34:32,279 --> 01:34:34,319
right thing. But it's so important to do the right thing.

1848
01:34:35,159 --> 01:34:41,399
But Jason, Man, that's a tough pill to take from Jason,

1849
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:44,520
because I'm not sure that he's always so clear on

1850
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:45,520
what the right thing is.

1851
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:52,199
Speaker 2: But yeah, historically that's very true. Maybe now that he's

1852
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:55,880
settled down and just running an antique shop, maybe things

1853
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:59,880
are a little clearer for him these days, sure they are.

1854
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:04,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole episode seemed like he was presenting the

1855
01:35:04,119 --> 01:35:06,880
choice is very clear, like well, yeah, here's the right

1856
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,640
thing to do is to get this DNA sample to

1857
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:12,720
Jason that that seemed like that was very clearly saying

1858
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,399
that's the right thing to do. Yeah, But I, I

1859
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,079
and maybe other people didn't have to wrestle with it.

1860
01:35:17,119 --> 01:35:18,359
And like, as a kid, I would don't think I

1861
01:35:18,359 --> 01:35:20,319
would have wrestled with it. I would have just been like, oh, yeah,

1862
01:35:20,399 --> 01:35:24,439
it makes sense to me. But like I personally now

1863
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,479
listening to it and wrestling with it a little bit

1864
01:35:27,159 --> 01:35:29,000
and thinking through through all that.

1865
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, But and I.

1866
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,159
Speaker 3: Think the choice ended up being it was clarified that

1867
01:35:33,279 --> 01:35:35,800
by the reason Buck didn't want to do it is

1868
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:39,520
he wanted to have this friend with the knowledge that

1869
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,720
other people were gonna get hurt because he didn't give

1870
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:45,399
the information that he had right, So that when you

1871
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,239
put it in those terms, it does clarify it a

1872
01:35:47,279 --> 01:35:47,640
little bit.

1873
01:35:48,119 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1874
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:53,520
Speaker 2: And speaking of Jason, like when Buck is feeling all

1875
01:35:54,279 --> 01:35:56,840
sort of down about the whole situation, he's like, are

1876
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,479
you okay, Buck? You look like your dog lost another leg.

1877
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:01,920
Where did that come from?

1878
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:04,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was does.

1879
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 2: He already have a three legged dog or something?

1880
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,279
Speaker 3: He does, he does have a three legged dog, but

1881
01:36:08,319 --> 01:36:11,560
I don't remember the episode where he got a three

1882
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,159
legged dog or like where the or how the dog

1883
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:14,800
lost a leg?

1884
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a memory of that.

1885
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:22,119
Speaker 3: But they've definitely mentioned his three legged dog, even in

1886
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:24,600
one of the like they played a clip in a

1887
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:29,119
recording session and Kathy Buchanan was directing him and she said, Okay, Buck,

1888
01:36:29,159 --> 01:36:31,000
I need you to sound a little bit more sad,

1889
01:36:31,359 --> 01:36:34,760
because you know, all your friends in Odyssey are having

1890
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,279
a good time and you're here and you're alone and you.

1891
01:36:37,159 --> 01:36:39,319
Speaker 1: Have no friends. You're just sitting there with your three

1892
01:36:39,399 --> 01:36:43,560
legged dog. I don't know. The three legged dog is

1893
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:44,319
definitely a thing.

1894
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 2: Wow, that's totally slipped in my mind because I don't

1895
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:48,199
remember that at all.

1896
01:36:48,279 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 1: But I don't remember the storyline. I'm not sure.

1897
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure somebody can pull it out and be like, no,

1898
01:36:56,039 --> 01:36:57,760
this episode it was the three legged dog.

1899
01:36:58,359 --> 01:37:01,319
Speaker 2: In any case, that line is is hilarious though, I

1900
01:37:01,399 --> 01:37:04,239
mean it just it just made me crack up when

1901
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:08,039
he said that, and he just totally just goes with it.

1902
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:11,439
And that's what makes it even funnier because he does

1903
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:17,920
not even acknowledge it at all. But you know, talking

1904
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:21,159
about the whole the dynamics of this episode, like there's

1905
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:25,560
so much going on in terms of moral quandaries and

1906
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,359
decisions like that. I thought there were some really cool

1907
01:37:29,399 --> 01:37:32,479
twists in this one too, Yeah, both with the bad

1908
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:35,960
guy not actually being the bad guy, and also with

1909
01:37:36,399 --> 01:37:39,479
making it look like Buck might have done something underhanded

1910
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,199
but switching it up on us and we find out

1911
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:45,199
that he actually didn't. But there's that whole question. It's

1912
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:47,720
like leaving they planted some seeds in our mind that

1913
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:51,560
that made us to believe that Buck might actually do

1914
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:52,560
the other thing, you know.

1915
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,079
Speaker 3: Right, So when I first started, I totally thought he

1916
01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:57,319
had like contaminated the sample somehow, I'd given him a

1917
01:37:57,319 --> 01:38:00,960
different tissue or something. Yeah, And I wouldn't have seen

1918
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,439
it coming that it was the MOM, except I listened

1919
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:07,199
to Cole Brumley's podcast and he was speculating that it

1920
01:38:07,279 --> 01:38:09,199
might turn out to be the MOM And then so

1921
01:38:09,279 --> 01:38:11,359
then it prepped me. But he didn't know, he hadn't

1922
01:38:11,359 --> 01:38:15,680
listened to it. But then I was like, what, No,

1923
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,439
those were both great twists.

1924
01:38:17,279 --> 01:38:20,159
Speaker 2: Yes, So, like I said, overall, I think these were

1925
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:23,600
my favorite episodes of the album. But you've kind of

1926
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:28,800
got me rethinking that now with the moral quandaries there.

1927
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:32,960
But I think it is it's clear what the right

1928
01:38:33,039 --> 01:38:37,199
thing was. I think maybe some of the things that

1929
01:38:37,239 --> 01:38:41,760
he and Katrina both said it does make it it's

1930
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,279
a little bit gray, uh huh, but.

1931
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:47,119
Speaker 1: Like the color of Katrina's eyes.

1932
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 2: But overall, I still really enjoyed those episodes.

1933
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: And well, and I think, okay, so let me throw

1934
01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:00,560
more Wrention.

1935
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 3: Okay, And because this is one of the things that

1936
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,279
I was as the episodes that were progressing, that they

1937
01:39:05,359 --> 01:39:07,520
drew attention to, and this was I think maybe part

1938
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,199
of why I was overthinking it so much is that

1939
01:39:11,159 --> 01:39:14,760
they are drawing a parallel between Buck situation and Jewels situation.

1940
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:19,319
And Jewles is clearly in the wrong, and she's she's

1941
01:39:19,359 --> 01:39:22,199
betraying a friend as well in order to get ahead.

1942
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:26,960
She's betrayed Bridget, who that feels less morally ambiguous, even

1943
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:29,920
though Bridget is being a jerk, you know, and being

1944
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:34,359
very self absorbed herself. And yet it's obviously the wrong

1945
01:39:34,399 --> 01:39:37,279
thing for Jewels to join this band and lie to

1946
01:39:37,319 --> 01:39:38,560
Connie and you know.

1947
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 1: And all that kind of stuff.

1948
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 3: But they did something interesting where they drew a parallel

1949
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:48,399
between Brayden and Buck and Bridget and Jewels where on

1950
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:52,279
the phone, you know, Buck starts describing his situation hypothetically

1951
01:39:52,319 --> 01:39:54,720
and Jeweles gets defensive and she's like, oh, you're obviously

1952
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:56,920
talking about me and Bridget, you know. So they drew

1953
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,479
attention to it in the episode. And what I find

1954
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:04,119
so interesting about that is that they both betray a

1955
01:40:04,199 --> 01:40:08,720
friend in these episodes, and yet for Buck they're portraying

1956
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,159
it as the right thing to do, and for Jewles

1957
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:13,760
it was the wrong thing to do. Not that that

1958
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,640
was the crux of the moral dilemma, was whether or

1959
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,239
not to betray a friend, because both of the crux

1960
01:40:19,239 --> 01:40:22,960
of the moral dilemmas in each situation was different. And

1961
01:40:23,039 --> 01:40:25,640
for Jewels it was all about her joining that band

1962
01:40:26,319 --> 01:40:28,359
against what Connie wanted, and for Buck it was all

1963
01:40:28,359 --> 01:40:32,399
about you know, do I like listen to authority versus

1964
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,119
Jewles disobeying authority?

1965
01:40:34,159 --> 01:40:34,560
Speaker 1: I guess.

1966
01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:38,319
Speaker 3: And also Jewles doing the wrong thing is what helped

1967
01:40:38,359 --> 01:40:40,840
clarify for Buck to do what he did, that was

1968
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:43,119
like what gave him the gumption to make that decision.

1969
01:40:44,359 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: But as I was like sorting out.

1970
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 3: The parallel, I was like, I was it was actually

1971
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:51,560
getting me more confused because I was I was focusing

1972
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,319
on the betrayal aspect, you know. Yeah, and so I

1973
01:40:55,359 --> 01:40:56,520
think that was another aspect.

1974
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I definitely

1975
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:02,199
we picked up on the parallels there, and obviously they

1976
01:41:02,279 --> 01:41:05,840
call attention to it, but I don't know. I guess

1977
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:09,079
I didn't go as far with it as you did.

1978
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:11,199
And I can totally see what you're saying. That makes

1979
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:11,840
a lot of sense.

1980
01:41:13,319 --> 01:41:15,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I may be going too far with it,

1981
01:41:15,079 --> 01:41:17,399
but I feel like they nudged me in that direction,

1982
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,319
and so that's why I kept going, Yeah, down the road.

1983
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:22,640
But maybe, like I went down the road, I'm like, guys,

1984
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,920
is anybody here? No, Okay, I'll go back to the

1985
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:25,319
main path.

1986
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:30,159
Speaker 2: Now. Well, again, maybe this is all part of the

1987
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:35,359
strategy of presenting these stories, and they're taking a stand

1988
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:38,319
of what they they're saying is the right thing. But

1989
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:41,439
it's inciting discussion. I mean, here we are talking about this.

1990
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:44,319
I didn't slan to talk about that particular aspect as

1991
01:41:44,399 --> 01:41:47,319
much as we have, and yet here we are and

1992
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:51,800
it's very valid, and I think it's good. I think

1993
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,560
it's good to talk through these things and situations, and

1994
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:59,600
you know what, hypotheticals and stories are often how we

1995
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,079
can and figure out how to apply things in our

1996
01:42:02,119 --> 01:42:06,520
own life when we come against situations that are similar.

1997
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:10,000
So yeah, yeah, maybe this, maybe that's very intentional.

1998
01:42:10,279 --> 01:42:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not ready, So any spies out there listening,

1999
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:15,319
don't come to me to get your DNA samples, because

2000
01:42:15,319 --> 01:42:16,760
I have got some more thinking to do.

2001
01:42:21,039 --> 01:42:22,600
Speaker 1: As far as like story aspects.

2002
01:42:23,319 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 3: There was this whole phone conversation between Katrina and Jason,

2003
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:29,800
and I think I needed that exposition. It was very expositional,

2004
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:34,159
like Katrina's like, oh, because the DNA would be the same, and.

2005
01:42:34,119 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 1: I was like, oh okay, oh yeah.

2006
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 3: I feel like Katrina probably would have known that without

2007
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:39,079
saying it, but I needed it.

2008
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:47,319
Speaker 2: So overall, this this album pretty solid. Again, not a favorite,

2009
01:42:47,319 --> 01:42:50,239
probably not one that I'll listen to an awful lot,

2010
01:42:50,279 --> 01:42:53,319
but it is good. It's got some good moments for me.

2011
01:42:53,399 --> 01:42:56,000
Particularly the last two are the highlight for me.

2012
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 3: So what about you, Michael, Yeah, They're not like comfort

2013
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,560
food episodes that I want to go back to all

2014
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,399
the time. You know, like there's certain episodes where you know,

2015
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:08,479
we'll just listen to as we're like driving from one

2016
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:12,319
spot to another, and uh, these aren't like especially like

2017
01:43:12,359 --> 01:43:15,760
the one in the middle about jewels. It's serving a

2018
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,439
very specific purpose, but it's not one that I like

2019
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:22,079
want to be in a lot, you know, like the

2020
01:43:22,079 --> 01:43:24,479
the Buck ones because of the spy aspect, you know,

2021
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:27,079
it feels a little bit more fun in the and

2022
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:29,119
the Right delt ones too, like there's the mystery.

2023
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:30,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, this one.

2024
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 3: This album, like like several of the stories, but they

2025
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:35,800
this album in particular, I felt like there was a

2026
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:39,079
lot of moral and ethical questions that were raised in

2027
01:43:39,079 --> 01:43:41,159
my mind because of it. And I did a lot

2028
01:43:41,159 --> 01:43:44,960
of a lot of thinking about those those things obviously,

2029
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,640
And so, oh wait, can I bring up one more

2030
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,880
uncomfortable thing for me? This is another this is another

2031
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,319
wrap up thing. So the kids that are skipping the

2032
01:43:54,319 --> 01:43:56,000
wrap ups that wouldn't even be faced with this. But

2033
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:59,520
at the end Chris's wrap up was about it was like,

2034
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,399
I'm glad Buck did the right thing. And the Book

2035
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:04,199
of James says that if we need wisdom, we can

2036
01:44:04,199 --> 01:44:07,600
always ask God, and so the key is to have

2037
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:09,399
a relationship with God and then we'll know how to

2038
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:11,960
do the right thing. And that was uncomfortable for me

2039
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,439
because Buck does not have a relationship with God, and

2040
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:16,079
yet they're saying he still had the wisdom to do

2041
01:44:16,119 --> 01:44:18,920
the right thing. And so that's one of those elements

2042
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:22,119
where I'm like, Okay, Buck has to have a crash too,

2043
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:25,640
Otherwise we're teaching lessons that I don't know that we

2044
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,159
want to teach, you know, So Okay, I don't know.

2045
01:44:29,279 --> 01:44:30,359
I had to get it off my chest.

2046
01:44:30,399 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 1: So there you go.

2047
01:44:32,119 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 2: Hey, it's a valid point. It's a valid point. Yeah,

2048
01:44:36,039 --> 01:44:39,319
because yeah, he did. I mean, I don't remember. He doesn't.

2049
01:44:39,359 --> 01:44:42,079
He doesn't pray at all in this episode. No, Yeah,

2050
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:45,840
So it's all just like him bouncing things off of jewels.

2051
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:47,359
And then you know, listening to.

2052
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,359
Speaker 3: Jules is like the negative conscience. She's the anti conscience

2053
01:44:50,359 --> 01:44:53,600
for the anti voice of the Holy Spirit.

2054
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:56,520
Speaker 1: That helps him to know the right thing to do.

2055
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:58,119
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, what would jewels do? I need to

2056
01:44:58,119 --> 01:45:01,239
do the opposite of that. Yeah, But I want to

2057
01:45:01,239 --> 01:45:06,479
say something positive about the story that there was a

2058
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:08,840
lot of setups for things that were going to happen

2059
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:12,079
later in the episode. Like with the glue that she

2060
01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:16,039
gets stuck to, or the even like the literature teacher

2061
01:45:16,119 --> 01:45:18,680
just having like bucks, like my literature had a teacher

2062
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:22,079
had a baby not in class though, yea, and all

2063
01:45:22,119 --> 01:45:24,159
these setups that were in there, or and even the

2064
01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:25,880
stuff that helped him figure it out about like the

2065
01:45:26,399 --> 01:45:28,880
the phone call and then the where the mom was

2066
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:32,119
over Valentine's Day and all those things. Those setups, all

2067
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:35,119
of those details felt so organic to the story. They

2068
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:37,039
felt so natural in the story that I didn't even

2069
01:45:37,079 --> 01:45:39,560
know they were giving us clues, you know, yeah, and

2070
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:41,760
then and so then we needed to have that information

2071
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,199
later on, but it was worked in at the beginning

2072
01:45:44,279 --> 01:45:47,399
so so well, I thought I wanted to call that out.

2073
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 2: That is a very very good point, brilliant writing there

2074
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:52,560
by Kathy, just dropping these little signposts along the way

2075
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,640
which you don't even see. But then when there's the

2076
01:45:56,039 --> 01:45:58,079
reference back to them, you're like, oh, yeah, that makes

2077
01:45:58,119 --> 01:46:01,159
total sense. Yeah, yes, and it feels natural. You're right, yeah,

2078
01:46:01,319 --> 01:46:02,159
very very well done.

2079
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I really like that. And yeah, these all

2080
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:06,920
the the writing and all of these were was great,

2081
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,680
and the acting and and everything. So you know, Odyssey

2082
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:15,800
is is the goat of like trying to backpedal out

2083
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:17,199
some of them.

2084
01:46:18,359 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 2: But anyways, interesting times in Odyssey and Baltimore apparently.

2085
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:24,600
Speaker 1: Yep, adventures in Odyssey in Baltimore.

2086
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, it's always a blast to talk about

2087
01:46:30,039 --> 01:46:33,479
Odyssey with you, and and to talk about anything with you, actually, Michael,

2088
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:35,520
it's it's always so much fun. So thank you so

2089
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:36,279
much for joining me.

2090
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 3: Oh thanks for having me on again. And you know,

2091
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:41,359
maybe next time I'll try to keep it shorter.

2092
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll invite me back.

2093
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:47,640
Speaker 2: You've you've filled your quota for for four five episodes.

2094
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:51,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sorry about that.

2095
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:55,359
Speaker 2: So what do you think of the show?

2096
01:47:00,119 --> 01:47:01,520
Speaker 3: Please leave your message after.

2097
01:47:01,319 --> 01:47:03,520
Speaker 1: The zelle hi Audi Theater Central.

2098
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 2: Hey guys, this is awesome.

2099
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:08,560
Speaker 3: Preach hell about j D Royan, Andrew Minum Victoria.

2100
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:11,239
Speaker 1: Now. Yesterday I received a letter from a big band.

2101
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:13,239
Speaker 2: No time to joy, I've got an email.

2102
01:47:13,319 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: Listen another package for me today? No deactly, just your mail.

2103
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:22,159
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2104
01:47:22,199 --> 01:47:25,399
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2105
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dot com. You can comment on the show notes we

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always read those, or you can send a text message

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or leave a voicemail at our feedback hotline, which is

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six two three six eight eight two seven seven zero. Again,

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that's six two three six eight eight two seven seven zero.

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And I really want to say at the outset here,

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thank you to every single person who ever sends in feedback.

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I deeply appreciate it. And while I don't always have

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time to respond to every single email or every single comment,

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I do my best to do that, but sometimes I

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just can't. But I read every single one, and I

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am grateful for every bit of feedback. There's been some

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people recently who have apologized for sending multiple emails in

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and don't ever feel bad about sending in feedback. Never.

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It's always a pleasure to hear from this great community

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of fans of clean audio drama. Well, this first email

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is just a quick little thank you note from PJ

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and he said, love your show and it has made

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my day job commute so much better. Oh man, that

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is so great to hear. He says. I'm a composer

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who did some audio work on Venture. I've loved discovering

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audio drama and look forward to discovering more with your show.

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Regards PJ. That's so great to hear from PJ. This

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is PJ Rasmussen who is a composer and you can

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check him out if you're looking for a composer for

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your project. Pjrasmussen dot com check him out. But thank

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you so much for the feedback. PJ. So glad to

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hear that you're enjoying the show. I'm really looking forward

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to hearing your work on these audio dramas that you've

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been involved with in the last several months. So so

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great to hear from you. Our next piece of eedback

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is an email from Blake and it's in response to

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the interview with Jered Depasqual from a recent episode, and

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we had talked about Heather Forster's performance in Joan of

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Arc and Blake said, Hey, JD, I just listened to

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episode two oh eight and I'm going to send it

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to Heather too. I don't know if she has a

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lot of time, but to hear you guys say that

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she is one of the best actresses that Jared has

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worked with means a lot. I teared up and I

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know she will too. Look at all the work she

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has done for audio drama over the years since she

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was just a little girl back during the days when

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she used the alias Lily Milton for focus on the

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family Radio theater and her time as a child with

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the Royal Shakespeare Company and working with the late Katie Kelgren.

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I would for sure agree that of all the stuff

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she has done over the past twenty five years, Joan

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is her best work, and it makes me so glad

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she came out of retirement from acting to do this.

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She is the reason I created Radio Theater Wiki, as

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I got the idea a little after Katie Kelgren her

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mentor passed away. I just wanted to reach out to

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you after hearing that chat about Heather you and Jared had.

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Thanks for that amazing statement from you guys and for

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acknowledging her amazing talent. Here's hoping that Heather will work

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with Philip Glassborough and Daniel Philpott again. Yes, Yes, she

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did such a fantastic job, and I'm so glad that

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you enjoyed that interview with Jared and I hope Heather

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had a chance to listen to it as well. And

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I know you are in contact with her Blake, so

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if she wants to reach out to us, I would

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love to connect with her. It's so great to have

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these amazing talented actors and actresses involved in this industry. Obviously,

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audio drama couldn't exist without actors, and that we have

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such high quality people who bring their gifts and their

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talents to the these amazing stories. It's just amazing. Audio

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drama is amazing, isn't it. That's why this show exists

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because we love audio drama, and we love talking about it,

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and we love sharing it with people who haven't discovered

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it yet. And so yeah, I'm so glad to hear

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from you, Blake, and I hope Heather enjoyed that conversation

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with Jared, and yes, hope we hear from her again

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in future audio dramas. Our final piece of feedback for

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this episode is an email from Jeremy. He said, I

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really enjoyed the last two podcasts. I really thought that

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Tory had some great things to say, and I'm really

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looking forward to checking out his podcast as well. There

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was a question raised on one of the other podcasts

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I listened to. The question had to do with favorite

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magical objects in fantasy books that the hosts wanted to

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be real That question might be fun for a future episode,

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what objects in audio drama people wished were real? Sincerely,

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you're loyal fan and loyal listener, Jeremy. Well, thank you

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so much, Jeremy for the feedback. I'm glad you're enjoying

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those episodes. I would agree that conversation with Tory was

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just delightful. It was a fun chat with him and

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an inspirational conversation as well. He's just an interesting guy.

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But to your question, that is an interesting one. So

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an object from audio drama that we wished was real? Well,

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I can't think of a specific object necessarily, but I mean,

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who hasn't listened to Adventures in Odyssey and at some

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point thought, man, wouldn't it be awesome if wits End

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was a real place, or maybe specifically the Imagination Station.

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I know, as a kid, I had those sorts of thoughts.

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I definitely think that the majority of listeners of AIO

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I've at some point thought they wished that Witsand was real,

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or maybe that mister Whittaker was real something like that.

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But a specific object nothing is springing to mind, but

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I guess along similar lines to WIT's End or the

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Imagination Station, I've often thought that Finny and Jones's Shop

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from the Lamp Ladder Theater series would be an amazing

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place to visit, and it seems like a little more

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realistic in some ways. The shop itself is an interesting place.

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It's got, you know, a little cafe in there where

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he sells different types of teas and coffees and other

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things like that. But it's also got antiques and things,

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and who knows what else. But then he's got the

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massive library with Rolo, and the exploratorium, the every later

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and the observation deck on the roof. I forget whether

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it's called, but what an interesting, magical place. And it

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seems to me, to my mind, somehow slightly more plausible

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than some of the inventions that mister Whitaker has in

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WIT's End. For some reason, most of those things seem

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to be more mechanical and actually possible to build. Of course,

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all the various rooms with that the readers of the

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books used to visit, that is a little bit more

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on the fantastical side of things, and maybe similar to

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some of the inventions that Wit has, you know, the

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Room of Consequence or the Inspiration Station or whatever it

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might be. But for me, the first thing that comes

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to mind. When we talk about things in audio drama

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that we wished were real, I would have to say

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Finnian's Shop or WIT's End, or both, or the whole

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town of Odyssey. I don't know, so I would love

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to hear what you think. That's a great question to

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pass on to you, the listener. Let us know, reach

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out to us via all the different ways to get

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in touch with us, and let us know what object

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or anything from an audio drama you wished was real.

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Thank you so much, Jeremy for reaching out and what

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a great question. Well that's gonna do it for this episode.

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Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you to

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Michael Schrader for joining me for this review. If you

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the different methods of reaching out are listed there, and

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to everything we've talked about, are at audio Theatercentral dot

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com slash two one two. I'll talk with you next time.

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Thank you, Thank you so much for listening. Hey, do

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me a favor. Why don't you before the next episode

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go tell somebody else about Audio Theater Central.

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