Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog.
Speaker 1: My dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something prowling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.
Speaker 1: Jesus Quice, you better Hello, hit the boddy out here?
Speaker 1: What quin I'm out there? I thought of a bitch
Speaker 1: about tech forty nine. I don't know. Easy ann ount there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm working right.
Speaker 3: Hey, uh all right, folks.
Speaker 4: I want to welcome LEVI back to the show for
Speaker 4: round two from Missouri.
Speaker 3: What's going on? Man?
Speaker 5: Hey, how's it going? Glad to be back?
Speaker 4: I am good. I am glad to have you back.
Speaker 4: You're here to talk about some of the things we
Speaker 4: didn't get into on your last visit to the show
Speaker 4: some of the weirder stranger experiences. I've had UFO experiences.
Speaker 4: I've had experiences multiple times with what I believe to
Speaker 4: be alien craft.
Speaker 3: I know that is your forte.
Speaker 4: Why don't we talk a little bit about your experiences
Speaker 4: with UFOs ufology and get into some of the weirder
Speaker 4: things that we didn't get into last time.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Sure, there's a lot to go around, not just
Speaker 5: from Missouri. It's a pretty wild phenomenon. I run what's
Speaker 5: called the North American Research Center of pera Ufology. The
Speaker 5: term pairuthology is a term that's not really used now.
Speaker 5: It's parken back to the older thought of what UFOs
Speaker 5: are and what the phenomena is. But the term pairuthology
Speaker 5: is great because it's not just focusing on UFOs or
Speaker 5: UAPs or whatever people want to call them. It has
Speaker 5: this ideology of all of the stuff is intertwined versus
Speaker 5: just separate cells of phenomena and through research, not just
Speaker 5: reading listening to interviews from geez at this point, all
Speaker 5: the way back to the forties up until stuff that happens.
Speaker 5: Something could come out today and I'll read the report
Speaker 5: and be like, Okay, I've definitely started to notice that
Speaker 5: the thought of everything being connected is much more likely
Speaker 5: than I think people really understand or want to accept
Speaker 5: or believe. You hear of people having bigfoot stuff happen
Speaker 5: and then they see a craft or forbes or whatever.
Speaker 5: And we touched on that stuff a little earlier in
Speaker 5: the last interview, but for me it was starting narcop
Speaker 5: as what we call it, was a way to focus
Speaker 5: on everything without focusing on everything individually. I personally don't
Speaker 5: think it's really beneficial to just focus on one thing
Speaker 5: because there's much cross evidence, and it's not just from reports.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of hard packed data that you can
Speaker 5: see between some of the BFRO the log on their
Speaker 5: website or the Bigfoot Mapping project. If you backtrace and
Speaker 5: you start to cross reference UFO activity with bigfoot or
Speaker 5: sasquatch activity or orb activity or whatever the case may be,
Speaker 5: you start to see that there's usually as little as
Speaker 5: a couple hours to a seven to fourteen days, well
Speaker 5: basically two weeks, there's a spur of of encounters that
Speaker 5: are happening from everything. It's not just I saw UFO
Speaker 5: and then I saw a bigfoot. It's one twenty minute
Speaker 5: drive down the road from you might have a totally
Speaker 5: different experience, but it's very close timeline wise. I built
Speaker 5: this pretty ridiculous graph that overlays everything. It's wild too,
Speaker 5: because historically Missouri, for sure has the UFO flap of
Speaker 5: the seventies from the Piedmont area, and there were a
Speaker 5: lot of reports. You drop a pin fifty miles, there's
Speaker 5: a lot of reports that came around the same time.
Speaker 5: That was a very huge, long term lap. Yeah, looking
Speaker 5: at everything as one hole under the term paer uphology,
Speaker 5: and then also trying to become what people consider a
Speaker 5: tray evenance expert, going to sites and seeing soil compaction
Speaker 5: and very odd burn marks on the ground that only
Speaker 5: affected an inch of the grass. There's no depress, foliage
Speaker 5: or anything around. Just trying to go out and see
Speaker 5: stuff and categorize and log all of this to try
Speaker 5: to have it potentially makes sense. It will It never
Speaker 5: makes sense, but it's beneficial to look at everything try
Speaker 5: to pile it in and be like, oh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: these are happening here. This is happening here, this stuff
Speaker 5: is happening here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you have any questions on that,
Speaker 5: or we can just go straight in.
Speaker 4: Before we dive right in. That's one of the things
Speaker 4: that the longer I've been in this subject, and for me,
Speaker 4: I'm saying Bigfoot is the subject that I'm primarily into.
Speaker 4: I thought that everything was separate, right I started interviewing
Speaker 4: folks and I would hear them say, there was these
Speaker 4: strange lights, or we saw craft over our property. Then
Speaker 4: the next day we saw a sasquatch. I was always
Speaker 4: putting those things into boxes, going and that's really weird
Speaker 4: that you've got these weird lights. But I want to
Speaker 4: talk about the bigfoot stuff, and I didn't correlate the two.
Speaker 4: I started interviewing a couple of people.
Speaker 3: Talking about UFOs. We talked about it offline.
Speaker 4: I've had a couple of UFO experiences in my life,
Speaker 4: and I've always been very interested in the subject. But
Speaker 4: to me, sasquatch has always been a flesh and blood creature,
Speaker 4: some sort of undiscovered relict, thomannoid haminan that had nothing
Speaker 4: to do with anything flying around in the sky. Outside
Speaker 4: of some of these experiences that I've had where I've
Speaker 4: interviewed folks and they've said, hey, I interviewed one gentleman
Speaker 4: who said he saw a landed craft and saw a
Speaker 4: sasquatch either coming off of or going on to, or
Speaker 4: in very close proximity too, said craft it was an
Speaker 4: alien craft that this thing was coming and going from.
Speaker 3: That's a pretty direct correlation with what.
Speaker 4: People would consider to be a UFO UAP alien technology
Speaker 4: and Bigfoot at the same time. The more that I've
Speaker 4: had these conversations with people, Preston Dinnett, I've talked to
Speaker 4: Preston many times. I've had him on the show multiple times.
Speaker 4: Preston has always said to me, Brian, everything is connected,
Speaker 4: and it took me a long time to break out
Speaker 4: of that paradigm that I was stuck in to say,
Speaker 4: you know what, you might be right. I'm still not
Speaker 4: completely there, but I am open and willing to listen
Speaker 4: to anybody's theories on this, because if you're not looking
Speaker 4: down multiple paths and you just get in this.
Speaker 3: One lane and drive ninety miles an hour.
Speaker 4: Yeah you'll get to a destination, but it may not
Speaker 4: be the right one. You might have should have taken
Speaker 4: an exit before you got there. I'm anxious to hear
Speaker 4: some of your theories about this and how you approach
Speaker 4: the subject. But before we get deep into that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff, let's talk about your own experiences with what
Speaker 4: you would consider to be UFOs or alien craft.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: You're definitely right, and I'm super interested to dig in.
Speaker 5: I have a pretty solid theory that's not my own,
Speaker 5: but it makes the most sense to me, and I
Speaker 5: see it getting accepted here and there, not across the board,
Speaker 5: but enough to where, oh, okay, people are starting to pick
Speaker 5: it up. I moved to Missouri. I'm from Indiana Originally.
Speaker 5: We do have some stuff happen in that area. There's
Speaker 5: more what people consider ghost phenomena or pontings and all
Speaker 5: of that. It's a very religious state, and it seems
Speaker 5: that there's a lot of focus on that versus what
Speaker 5: other things it could potentially be. Came to Missouri almost
Speaker 5: immediately started researching about the historical aspect of what had
Speaker 5: happened here as far as sightings and everything, and a
Speaker 5: lot of people don't know it. Movefon. The Mutual UFO
Speaker 5: network was started in Missouri. All the key players from ufology,
Speaker 5: they came from basically US down to Atlanta and then
Speaker 5: some people in New York and then the West coast,
Speaker 5: but this little, tiny state. It's not little, it's big,
Speaker 5: but you get what I'm saying. There was just stuff
Speaker 5: happening constantly, and a lot of people were paying attention.
Speaker 5: One of the first things I started to notice, and
Speaker 5: it was always happening when I was coming back from
Speaker 5: doing a hike or whatever. The areas the entire state
Speaker 5: is just covered in forests. You go out and you
Speaker 5: start noticing lights that don't make sense, or there's a
Speaker 5: lot of nuclear around here, and there's a lot of
Speaker 5: private and commercial airports, and I started noticing that if
Speaker 5: you just sit and hang out and look, you start
Speaker 5: noticing stuff that's coming in. You start having these experiences
Speaker 5: where there's movement that you can't explain and it's flying
Speaker 5: in the sky. One of the first ones was I
Speaker 5: was out at my research area. I was getting towards
Speaker 5: the end of the night and wanted to go to
Speaker 5: a point where there was a closed in conservation area
Speaker 5: and they closed the gate at ten. I knew that
Speaker 5: there was a lake and I had heard some stories,
Speaker 5: not historical reports, about people having experiences at this lake.
Speaker 5: And the first night I'm out there, I always take photos.
Speaker 5: I always use my iPhone. It would be great to
Speaker 5: take a DSLR or a crazy point shoot at this point,
Speaker 5: but iPhone cameras are getting really hard to beat. They
Speaker 5: pick up a lot more than most people think. I thought, okay,
Speaker 5: subject matter. I'll stand at the back of my truck,
Speaker 5: put my phone on a tripod's stationary and it's not moving,
Speaker 5: and then just take some photos. I was working with
Speaker 5: some lighting stuff to try to figure out how to
Speaker 5: boost the bitrate to where I could get more exposure
Speaker 5: for really dark because other than moonlight, there's no ambient
Speaker 5: light out there. I go and I start reviewing the photos,
Speaker 5: and I noticed that there's this tiny little pill and
Speaker 5: it's moving up and down vertically. Maybe it was at
Speaker 5: the other side of the lake, but it's moving to
Speaker 5: where it's one hundred two hundred feet above the tree line.
Speaker 5: Pretty high above the tree line. But in this photo
Speaker 5: i'm stationary, there's red light from my camera lights, and
Speaker 5: then in the background there's just this light that's traveling
Speaker 5: vertically and it's stopping and you can see it twists.
Speaker 5: I just let the camera roll. I tried to turn
Speaker 5: up everything I could to make of the aperture as
Speaker 5: bright as possible without admittedly affecting the photo. I just
Speaker 5: kept getting these weird little dots that are vertical lines.
Speaker 5: You start looking at it from an aeronautics standpoint, we
Speaker 5: don't really have stuff that travels straight up and down.
Speaker 5: We do. A rocket, A helicopter still will drift during takeoff.
Speaker 5: Even the Harrier jump jets or whatever the current version
Speaker 5: of that is, they wobble. But this is a vertical
Speaker 5: straight line. Turned around, watched, didn't see anything else, got
Speaker 5: back in my truck and started to drive out. Right
Speaker 5: before I hit the gate, there's a right hand turn
Speaker 5: that goes out to the main road. I'm looking ahead
Speaker 5: and I see these two points of light that are
Speaker 5: going straight towards each other in an arcing v. They're
Speaker 5: not big, and they're not really bright, but they're bright
Speaker 5: enough to wear it noticeable. But they're almost erodescent. They're
Speaker 5: not what you would consider a white light from a lens,
Speaker 5: or what at a lightning bug would potentially be. And
Speaker 5: I watch these two things come together and they get
Speaker 5: maybe within I would say a foot, and they don't touch,
Speaker 5: but they stop and then they just completely disappear. And
Speaker 5: this is only forty feet off the ground. My truck's
Speaker 5: not very tall, it's up enough to where I'm driving
Speaker 5: and I'm looking up and I stop, and they came
Speaker 5: from two totally different areas. The one on the left
Speaker 5: did this kind of odd curve and then a stop
Speaker 5: and then came down and that a foot apart. They
Speaker 5: just and then out of nowhere. The thing that was
Speaker 5: interesting for me was it's ten o'clock at night. I'm
Speaker 5: rushing to get out of the gate because they shut
Speaker 5: that gate at ten. There's no one else around, there's
Speaker 5: no interference that could have caused it. Lightwise, I tried
Speaker 5: to look at it as what could have caused these
Speaker 5: three things to happen? Two lights interacting with each other
Speaker 5: and then one moving vertically. Nothing. Wit Holm tried to
Speaker 5: do some research and was maybe it's a shooting star.
Speaker 5: But as you start doing this research, you start seeing
Speaker 5: that the possibility of one turning back on itself, and
Speaker 5: then both of them coming together and not touching, but
Speaker 5: stopping and then disappearing, there's just no explanation. There's no drones,
Speaker 5: the windows down. At that point, I was, okay, we're
Speaker 5: onto something here. There is an airport that's just over
Speaker 5: a pretty big river, but it's nothing that's going to
Speaker 5: come from there because they're tiny. They probably honestly were
Speaker 5: less than six inches circle wise, maybe four to three inches.
Speaker 5: They didn't look led, and they didn't look the light
Speaker 5: that would be admitted from a lens. They were parl
Speaker 5: lesson eerodescent. When they came together, stop and disappeared, there
Speaker 5: was no flash. It was just completely out. It was
Speaker 5: they flew into each other, said hi, and then gone
Speaker 5: de materialized or whatever. That was the really the first
Speaker 5: big one here. There was another time where I was
Speaker 5: driving down the highway on my way out to the
Speaker 5: research location. The highways are pretty wild here. You can
Speaker 5: get pretty much anywhere in fifteen minutes. It's nice to
Speaker 5: be able to get on the highway and not stop
Speaker 5: in traffic. The only downside of that is if you
Speaker 5: see something along the roadway and you're going and there's
Speaker 5: a bunch of people going sixty behind you, you can't
Speaker 5: stop and pull over and look at it. I'm right
Speaker 5: by the zoo on the highway in traffic, not going
Speaker 5: super fast. It was a little bit of redlock, but
Speaker 5: not enough to where we were at a dead stop,
Speaker 5: and I saw the black round ball just hovering right
Speaker 5: by where the edge of the parking lot for the
Speaker 5: zoo is and then the highway, and it's just sitting
Speaker 5: right there and it's maybe beach ball size, but the
Speaker 5: same thing. You could see through it, and you can
Speaker 5: see that there's rotation or there's movement, but it's not
Speaker 5: bouncing movement. It's stationary sitting there and it's spinning. I
Speaker 5: kept going past because I couldn't swerve off and pull over.
Speaker 5: I looked back and as I look back, I look
Speaker 5: in the rearview mirror, look at my side mirrors. I
Speaker 5: watched this thing just go straight up in the air
Speaker 5: as fast as possible. I know other people saw it
Speaker 5: because the people next to me were doing the I
Speaker 5: gotta look down from the wind shield movement.
Speaker 6: And stay tuned for more sasquatchy out to see. We'll
Speaker 6: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 5: This is all going within sixty less seconds, and people
Speaker 5: are looking out the window and we just watched this
Speaker 5: thing shoot up in the air. But you could see
Speaker 5: that it's a beach ball size black sphere. It's clear
Speaker 5: but illuminated from the inside but not enough to where
Speaker 5: it's bright. And this is the middle of the day.
Speaker 5: This is full daylight, clear field of vision, no obstruction whatsoever,
Speaker 5: and it's just hanging out right by the edge of
Speaker 5: the highway. I found out later on that this is
Speaker 5: a common occurrence in this area. I'm a firm believer.
Speaker 5: This is a wild theory I have, and this doesn't
Speaker 5: come out usually when I talk to people, because everybody's, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're crazy. We have two rivers that basically surround Saint Louis, right,
Speaker 5: we have a giant arch that was built for whatever
Speaker 5: reason they want to say. But this thing is big
Speaker 5: and was weird for the time that it was built.
Speaker 5: Construction wise and material wise. It draws stuff in constantly.
Speaker 5: My theory is that somewhere in that area, unbeknounced to
Speaker 5: everybody that lives in Saint Louis that doesn't care about
Speaker 5: UFOs or magic or the paranormal, this thing is either
Speaker 5: a beacon or a portal. Because people have regularly seen
Speaker 5: stuff fly into the arch but not fly out of
Speaker 5: the arch. It's pretty well documented. We don't have a
Speaker 5: ton of high rise. We have maybe sixteen by sixteen
Speaker 5: block of tall buildings and the baseball stadium, but security
Speaker 5: cameras for the news, security cameras for some of the
Speaker 5: buildings around the areas. Weather cameras have also picked up
Speaker 5: quite a bit of really odd travel from stuff that
Speaker 5: you can't explain. The wild theory is this arch was
Speaker 5: built for a different purpose than what most people think.
Speaker 5: Someone knew what was going on, and we have to
Speaker 5: look at this in the perieuthology realm because you get
Speaker 5: sucked into even some of the dumb conspiracy theories. You
Speaker 5: can find a thread that makes sense and then you
Speaker 5: start to cross reference and you're like, oh, okay, I
Speaker 5: get it. But yeah, that's one of the things. I
Speaker 5: found out that there's phenomena that happens all the time
Speaker 5: on the highways. The really big one was I went
Speaker 5: out to an undisclosed location. I got an invite. I
Speaker 5: mentioned it earlier in the last time we talked. The
Speaker 5: area's pretty secretive. We had some wild stuff happened that night.
Speaker 5: But the big thing was this cloud, massive cloud, shelf cloud.
Speaker 5: I start to notice there's the horizontal line of the
Speaker 5: cloud is just a flat bottom, and there's this little
Speaker 5: cute turned on its side. I see the point and
Speaker 5: it's sticking out this far and it's blackish, kind of
Speaker 5: the same thing, the shiny but not shiny, and then
Speaker 5: I started to notice from that bottom point at three
Speaker 5: degrees from the point, not a sharp angle, a pretty
Speaker 5: gradual angle, there's these three flat sides that I can
Speaker 5: see and they're just going out into basically infinity. They're
Speaker 5: massively long, and I just watched this cloud pulling straight out,
Speaker 5: no erratic movement whatsoever, moving very slow. But it's one
Speaker 5: of those things where it's you see it, and it
Speaker 5: doesn't click until you start looking and your why is
Speaker 5: there at the bottom of a cube on its point
Speaker 5: and angles that are super super shallow, just floating in
Speaker 5: the middle of the air. You look above the cloud,
Speaker 5: you can't see anything. I was pretty shocked at that point.
Speaker 5: The night was wild, had a lot of really weird
Speaker 5: stuff happened, but that was a big one. And then
Speaker 5: started doing the expedition stuff, started noticing stuff that was
Speaker 5: going on there and within the area as we're out
Speaker 5: doing Bigfoot research, and then that kind of just drove
Speaker 5: it home for the Okay, this stuff's connected. The other
Speaker 5: big one was the bfro in Missouri that I went
Speaker 5: to the expedition I went to with Mary Anne. Just
Speaker 5: seeing this light bouncing around I mentioned before, we walked
Speaker 5: up to it and everything. Another group went to try
Speaker 5: to find it later on in an attempt to try
Speaker 5: to prove what we saw. I had a theory. I
Speaker 5: pretty much knew what it was the moment we saw it,
Speaker 5: and pretty drastically said, what burn it with a light
Speaker 5: to see if it reacts against everyone else's better judgment.
Speaker 5: This stuff's for me as normal. If I see something,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna blast it with the laser of blast it
Speaker 5: with the light to try to get it to react.
Speaker 5: I started checking what we use pretty regularly in ufology
Speaker 5: and UFO research. There's a company that makes these tiny
Speaker 5: sensors and they basically plug into your router, but they're
Speaker 5: totally dormant, and what they are is non linear radar.
Speaker 5: You can buy these sensors, they've been vetted. People obviously go, oh,
Speaker 5: that's just someone creating an elaborate hoax, but it would
Speaker 5: be really hard to do that. There are a lot
Speaker 5: of people, including the US government, that's looked at them
Speaker 5: and said, yeah, this is factual data. What this non
Speaker 5: line of your radar does is it basically measures anything
Speaker 5: between a mileage or a mile per hour. I don't
Speaker 5: know if it's nautical miles for air whatever it is,
Speaker 5: whatever they measure airplane stuff in, and it looks for
Speaker 5: erratic flight patterns or erratic behavior. It won't pick up
Speaker 5: the smooth, continuous arc of a jet, it won't pick
Speaker 5: up the extremely far away gradual atmosphere curve of a satellite,
Speaker 5: and it won't pick up the helicopter. They're tuned very specifically.
Speaker 5: You start to see these things where you can look
Speaker 5: at one section of the sensors and you'll see flight
Speaker 5: patterns that are ninety degree turns. Stuff that's going from
Speaker 5: two miles an hour to four thousand miles an hour
Speaker 5: out of nowhere. And the beauty of this little node
Speaker 5: that you plug in is they're all over the country
Speaker 5: at this point. I think in Missouri now there's over
Speaker 5: two hundred. They talk to each other essentially when they're
Speaker 5: all based on a grid. Basically, the company that makes
Speaker 5: them figured out some super genius way to ply all
Speaker 5: this stuff together. But you can start to see these
Speaker 5: flight patterns that don't make sense. They're calibrated very specifically
Speaker 5: to where they won't pick up the usual suspects of
Speaker 5: planes or helicopters or even rockets. By backtracks historically and
Speaker 5: made a couple calls and sent some texts and said, hey,
Speaker 5: we had this experience on this date. We went back
Speaker 5: the next day it was happening again. There was another
Speaker 5: gentleman that went back a week later and saw the
Speaker 5: same thing that we saw in still the same vicinity,
Speaker 5: but in a different location. Through all that data that
Speaker 5: I recorded, I was able to go and look at
Speaker 5: these nonlinear radar plots, and I noticed that for two
Speaker 5: weeks before and after we were there, there's this really
Speaker 5: erratic bouncy turning on itself, curly Q flying grid patterns,
Speaker 5: really low altitude, sometimes down to under what you would
Speaker 5: consider actual altitude below one hundred feet up. And these centers,
Speaker 5: there's three sensors. If you drop a pin where we were,
Speaker 5: there's one ten miles to the left, there's one ten
Speaker 5: miles to the right, and then there's one more twelve
Speaker 5: miles two miles past the one on the right, and
Speaker 5: they're all picking this same thing up. And it's not
Speaker 5: flying along the curve, which is also pretty interesting because
Speaker 5: you would think, oh, okay, it's got to fly in
Speaker 5: the flight pattern of where these sensors are, and they
Speaker 5: don't which is cool because it allows you to focus
Speaker 5: in on a forty by forty mile area and you
Speaker 5: can start to see what's going on through cross referencing
Speaker 5: and everything. I noticed that there was this activity before
Speaker 5: we were there, while we were there, and then after
Speaker 5: we were there. There's another podcast that added gentleman on
Speaker 5: he lives very close. He lives on a family farm.
Speaker 5: They have a ton of big footstep. They had no
Speaker 5: clue that we were there until after the fact. I
Speaker 5: double check because I asked the guy that interviewed him.
Speaker 5: I said, Hey, did this guy know that the BFRO
Speaker 5: expedition was going on while we were there? We had
Speaker 5: no clue. He had reports of bigfoot activity, plus seeing
Speaker 5: what he called orbs in the same timeframe that we did,
Speaker 5: plus a week and a half before that. The other
Speaker 5: cool thing about these sensors is the only way you
Speaker 5: know that your neighbor has one is going on the
Speaker 5: website and then looking in the area and it shows
Speaker 5: you this map. There's an app called Enigma that has
Speaker 5: them plotted, and this app is arguably it's not the
Speaker 5: best for data, but it is pretty helpful because it's
Speaker 5: the instagram of UFO stuff. Someone sees something that they
Speaker 5: can't explain, and they take a photo or a video
Speaker 5: and you always get the video that's the shakiest video ever.
Speaker 5: Everybody should go buy a tripod and just leave your phone.
Speaker 5: And that's the biggest thing you could do, is you
Speaker 5: want undeniable video proof. Hold your camera steady. It's not
Speaker 5: that hard. You go on this app and you can
Speaker 5: see this stuff. But they have plot marks for where
Speaker 5: those nonlinear radar are from my house. I think there's
Speaker 5: twelve or fifteen around this area within a forty five
Speaker 5: mile radius, which is cool. There's a lot of UFO
Speaker 5: people that live in Saint Louis that don't really communicate,
Speaker 5: probably for a good reason, but yeah, just cross referencing
Speaker 5: this stuff with hard packed data that is really hard
Speaker 5: to disprove. We saw these lights, and I knew the
Speaker 5: story was going to come out and people were going
Speaker 5: to be like, Yeah, that's bullshit. Whatever that didn't happen.
Speaker 5: It's okay. I check everything I possibly know that I
Speaker 5: can check to verify, and we did. It's a pretty
Speaker 5: large chunk of time where people were seeing the same
Speaker 5: thing or having the same experience, or sensors were picking
Speaker 5: up the same flight pattern. That we were seeing. It
Speaker 5: was weird because it's just minute movements, and every night
Speaker 5: it was in a different spot. One of the questions
Speaker 5: during was being the only UFO guy that apparently seems
Speaker 5: to go really into any Bigfoot type of expeditions or research.
Speaker 5: People are what do you think it's doing. My theory
Speaker 5: is at some point they're either standing for a mineral,
Speaker 5: which Missouri has a ton of ground mineral and a
Speaker 5: lot of really weird rock outcroppings that historically are tied
Speaker 5: to UFO activity. My thought is they're scanning for something,
Speaker 5: and it's looking for something, and it's probably not doing
Speaker 5: it just in this area. Those were the really big
Speaker 5: ones that kind of started to stick out. Now it's
Speaker 5: to the point where I will say this, I go
Speaker 5: as deep into the crazy as deep into the non
Speaker 5: normal avenues of trying to figure out what's going on
Speaker 5: as possible ethology, whether people want to admit it or not,
Speaker 5: has really long term, very relevant ties to occult magic
Speaker 5: and some of the belief stuff that's happened and been
Speaker 5: processed or come up with or invented in that realm.
Speaker 5: I dabble in the occult magic realm basically just because
Speaker 5: through research and trying to figure out a way to
Speaker 5: potentially make contact or have these experiences more than most
Speaker 5: people do. Everybody did it in the sixties. Everybody was
Speaker 5: doing it in the fifties. There were a couple people
Speaker 5: that were doing it in the US and the forties,
Speaker 5: some very famous rocketeers that are essentially the reason we
Speaker 5: had airplanes that had jets to take off during World
Speaker 5: War Two. The main guy, Jack Parsons, was a very
Speaker 5: high level a cult magician. He was America's version of
Speaker 5: Alistair Crowley and very tight with Alistair Crowley. If you're
Speaker 5: into UFOs and you don't think that magic is tied in,
Speaker 5: you're probably wrong, because these guys were making scientific breakthroughs
Speaker 5: way before they should have. Most of them were all
Speaker 5: doing some sort of accult magic or some sort of
Speaker 5: weird mystic whatever you want to call it. I have
Speaker 5: stuff that I subscribe to, I have stuff that I
Speaker 5: have used pretty regularly with a lot of really fascinating,
Speaker 5: really strange and sometimes creepy results. But now it's to
Speaker 5: the point where almost daily there's something that comes through
Speaker 5: that's super weird. I took a trip home to Indiana
Speaker 5: to hang out with some family, and there was a
Speaker 5: point where we went to a spot where I had
Speaker 5: thought that there was maybe some stuff going on, or
Speaker 5: where you look geographically would be a good spot to
Speaker 5: go and do some research. I'm out there with my
Speaker 5: son and my mom. We're hearing stuff in the woods.
Speaker 5: I've got these highly tweaked shooting muffs to amplify sound,
Speaker 5: and I start hearing this hum. Everybody in the UFO
Speaker 5: world knows that there's a sound that goes with some
Speaker 5: of these things. That's not across the board. It's not
Speaker 5: every type of phenomenon, but you start to hear this hum.
Speaker 5: As I'm hearing this hum, I immediately start looking up.
Speaker 5: I'm okay, we're getting something from somewhere. And within a
Speaker 5: good forty five minute to an hour block, we had
Speaker 5: seen seven separate lights at multiple altitudes, from different directions,
Speaker 5: all turning in ninety degree turns, basically in a very
Speaker 5: pointed location. It was almost stuff was coming in and
Speaker 5: looking around and then dropping down turning out. And we
Speaker 5: started noticing this. And there's three of us at this point.
Speaker 5: We're all looking up, we're watching them, and we just
Speaker 5: start seeing stuff moving around. Now every time I go
Speaker 5: to the woods anytime I'm somewhere where there's potential high activity,
Speaker 5: and I will say it's probably my fault if I
Speaker 5: totally understand that the phenomena potentially attaches to you, the
Speaker 5: more your brain goes okay, yeah, I'm open to this.
Speaker 5: I just start picking up on stuff all the time.
Speaker 5: I can go near an airport and we'll probably catch
Speaker 5: a glimpse of something that no one else will see.
Speaker 5: To someone who's not paying attention or train to look
Speaker 5: at that stuff, they just think it's a satellite or
Speaker 5: they think it's a shooting star, which sometimes it is,
Speaker 5: but the ones where you see them and you're okay,
Speaker 5: that's not either of those. It's hard to explain. Almost
Speaker 5: every time I go on an expedition at this point,
Speaker 5: we have really weird interference. For me. I think personally
Speaker 5: it comes from more of the UFO stuff and more
Speaker 5: of the open minded mental acceptance that there's a lot
Speaker 5: of stuff that we can't explain. I always get backlash
Speaker 5: about the magic thing because everybody thinks it's worshiping the
Speaker 5: devil in black magic and all this hooha shit that
Speaker 5: you read on the internet or hear from the fundamental
Speaker 5: Christian just put it out there. My mom was the
Speaker 5: youth minister for eighteen years. I grew up in a
Speaker 5: Catholic church. I've probably spent more time in a church
Speaker 5: than most people have in their entire lives, maybe combined
Speaker 5: by five people. I would go to church on Sunday
Speaker 5: and go with her every day after school. I didn't
Speaker 5: go to Catholic school or anything, but I was constantly
Speaker 5: in a church. I grew up with Jesus, and I
Speaker 5: get this little he is secretly worshiping the devil, blah
Speaker 5: blah blah, And it's no, you don't understand.
Speaker 3: That's not what it is.
Speaker 5: It's the attempt to try to understand a phenomena that
Speaker 5: has no boundary and should have no limit or cap
Speaker 5: on what you do to try to either a experience
Speaker 5: or be verify and then attempt to prove or help
Speaker 5: prove whatever's going on.
Speaker 6: And stay tuned for more sasquatch Otasy. We'll be right
Speaker 6: back after these messages.
Speaker 5: This kind of brings me to a weird point we
Speaker 5: were talking about. You had mentioned people only see bigfoot phenomena.
Speaker 5: One guy you said saw a craft land and then
Speaker 5: saw a bigfoot come out. People see orbs. A common
Speaker 5: thing in ufology is this theory of what everyone experiences
Speaker 5: obviously is totally different, but your experience or your visual
Speaker 5: sighting or or what you heard in the woods compared
Speaker 5: to the person that's right next to you could be
Speaker 5: totally different. There's this book It's a Big Deal and
Speaker 5: the Paranormal and the UFO world. It's called The Trickster
Speaker 5: and the Paranormal. Through ufology, there's this theory that stuff
Speaker 5: materializes or shows up basically as whatever your brain or
Speaker 5: your perception of reality, or whatever you're comfortable with. If
Speaker 5: you're cool with seeing it, it'll show up as that.
Speaker 5: If you're only thinking about bigfoot, there's potential that bigfoot
Speaker 5: that you saw could be a totally different phenomena, but
Speaker 5: it's manifesting itself as a bigfoot because your brain goes, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm out here looking for bigfoot. I know what this is.
Speaker 5: It's a bigfoot. People talk about tracks disappearing in the
Speaker 5: middle of nowhere. They'll find tracks and they'll follow them
Speaker 5: in the boof it's gone. People talk about seeing the
Speaker 5: things moving in ways that are really just not possible.
Speaker 5: I've heard crazy stories of these things booking it through
Speaker 5: razy thick brush without making noise, but you'll see them
Speaker 5: before and they're snapping trees. This trickster in the paranormal.
Speaker 5: It all brings up a good point that whatever the
Speaker 5: phenomena is, regardless of what camp it falls in UFO paranormal,
Speaker 5: ghost hauntings, it has the ability to basically appear as
Speaker 5: whatever you're accepting it to appear as our rules of
Speaker 5: physics and reality do not apply at all. People say
Speaker 5: that bigfoots and alterterrestrial I really subscribe to the potential
Speaker 5: that the people that are having those experiences are maybe
Speaker 5: only able to grasp that potential thing. But someone else
Speaker 5: in that group could see a dog man, or could
Speaker 5: see a skin walker or a wendingo, or you could
Speaker 5: have the told opposite and someone's in an expedition and
Speaker 5: they see a tall gray or they see a Nordic
Speaker 5: humans alien. That book really got me thinking, maybe these
Speaker 5: things are all connected, but maybe they're also able to
Speaker 5: go I'm going to show up as this. This person
Speaker 5: doesn't freak out and run the other way, because people
Speaker 5: are obviously walking into the woods or walking into remote
Speaker 5: areas to try to have these experiences. For me, the
Speaker 5: dog man thing is very creepy, very scary. I mentioned before,
Speaker 5: I don't get really spooked. I spend so much time
Speaker 5: in the woods. I spend time in these areas where
Speaker 5: most people are. You're an idiot for going alone. And
Speaker 5: that's the other thing too, I'm not researching with other people.
Speaker 5: Open invite. I'll say this, if you live in Missouri
Speaker 5: and you listen to one of these podcasts, or you
Speaker 5: listen to this episode and you want to come to
Speaker 5: my research area, I will meet you there, send you
Speaker 5: the locations, take you out the first time, and you
Speaker 5: could go out there as much as possible. I hate
Speaker 5: the fact that people are gate keeping, especially on land
Speaker 5: that they don't know. If you don't known the land,
Speaker 5: fit back, let everybody else go out there, because you
Speaker 5: never know what they're going to experience. People do this
Speaker 5: thing where they go and there's only bigfoot here. It's
Speaker 5: not an alien. But someone else could go out and
Speaker 5: have a totally different experience than you could. For me,
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, show up, I'll take you out. I'll
Speaker 5: tell you everything that's happened. I'll show you all my evidence,
Speaker 5: and if you can debunk it, cool, Let's move on
Speaker 5: and go to another spot. Because I have a ton
Speaker 5: the dog man thing my brain. I would flip out
Speaker 5: if I was in the woods and saw a dog man,
Speaker 5: because it's just one of those things that's Yeah, I've
Speaker 5: seen weirder at this point. I've seen purple portals come
Speaker 5: out of nowhere and then clothes. I regularly have experiences
Speaker 5: our power will go out. I'm in my apartment right now.
Speaker 5: Our power will go out. There's sixty other apartments in here,
Speaker 5: and none of the other power goes out. It turns
Speaker 5: back on, and there's no trip on our board that
Speaker 5: says there was a fault here. I constantly get electronic interference.
Speaker 5: I literally have I'm not kidding. I have radio a
Speaker 5: foot from me because if there's some weird interference that
Speaker 5: comes during this call, I'll pop that on and try
Speaker 5: to scan and see what's going on, to maybe pick
Speaker 5: up on something that the computer was not able to
Speaker 5: handle going out. And if I see a dog man,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna freak out because my brain doesn't capture that
Speaker 5: and hold on to it and think, Okay, that's something
Speaker 5: that's tangible. That whole phenomena a dog man, all the
Speaker 5: stories are just they're really terrifying they're almost the worst
Speaker 5: of the worst. I'd rather see the devil than a
Speaker 5: dog man, because at least I can talk to the devil. Hey,
Speaker 5: what are you doing? Are you here to hurt me?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: Cool, all right, I'll see you later. Here's the LBRP
Speaker 5: to get you out of here. With a dog man,
Speaker 5: everything sounds they're just gonna eat you or chase you
Speaker 5: or scare the shit out of you. I don't want
Speaker 5: to see that, especially if I'm in the middle of
Speaker 5: the woods alone with no rifle and I've got nodes on,
Speaker 5: no light whatsoever, and I'm running a microbeacon red light
Speaker 5: and that's it. If I hear a growl and look
Speaker 5: up and see the equivalent of my border Collie's teeth,
Speaker 5: this huge, pitched off dog, I'm screwed. I'm done. That's it.
Speaker 5: I'm not going back to that spot. What's one of
Speaker 5: those things? Maybe whatever I'm experiencing knows that I'm absolutely
Speaker 5: terrified of dog man right now. Until I shoot one,
Speaker 5: I'm going to be totally freaked out forever. The minute
Speaker 5: I can pop one, then we're good. But the likelihood
Speaker 5: of that happening is probably one in one hundred thousand
Speaker 5: but everything else. If there's an alien in the middle
Speaker 5: of the trail, or if I'm driving down the country
Speaker 5: road in the middle of the night and there's an
Speaker 5: alien standing in the middle of the road and he
Speaker 5: ment and blacks me or take me wherever. That's cool.
Speaker 5: But it's one of those things. It's maybe the phenomena
Speaker 5: is paying attention and goes, Okay, this guy's really deep in.
Speaker 5: He can handle this. He can handle the daytime sightings
Speaker 5: of weird flying objects that he can't explain. He can
Speaker 5: handle getting the weird text from someone who took a
Speaker 5: video where there's kind of a hovering what people call
Speaker 5: the pill or the rod, and then one comes in
Speaker 5: and flies almost at a ninety degree angle, and they're
Speaker 5: within a couple inches of each other, and as the
Speaker 5: other one flies in, it's going mildly slow, and then
Speaker 5: it both out at two thousand plus miles an hour.
Speaker 5: I have that video. I'll send you that video too.
Speaker 5: It's perplexing, beyond belief. It's hard to explain. And this
Speaker 5: is I think a twenty five minute drive from US,
Speaker 5: right next to Scott Air Force Base, which is in Illinois,
Speaker 5: which has a ton of stuff that goes on there
Speaker 5: and this is a daytime video of a dude on
Speaker 5: a farm. That's yeah, I have this stuff happen all
Speaker 5: the time. This idea of being accepting and trying to
Speaker 5: understand that what you're seeing or what you think you're
Speaker 5: seeing may not be that. But it's also at some
Speaker 5: point it's respectful of the phenomenon, going Okay, you can
Speaker 5: handle this. We'll show up and do this. It's also
Speaker 5: hard to try to tell people in the Bigfoot realm
Speaker 5: that this is a possibility, because it's beyond wo to them.
Speaker 5: There's no way. I didn't know you you were an
Speaker 5: expert on Bigfoot. First of all, I didn't know there
Speaker 5: was such thing as an expert on bigfoot. Are you
Speaker 5: a scientist or are you quantum physics guru or whatever?
Speaker 5: Can you please explain to me why it's only bigfoot.
Speaker 5: I get a lot of weird books and then we
Speaker 5: go on an expedition and seventeen people see a light
Speaker 5: that's moving around erradically. In my brain, I'm going, Okay,
Speaker 5: there's potential that this is here because of me, because
Speaker 5: I focus on this stuff and it knows that there
Speaker 5: may be other people around, but it could be an
Speaker 5: isolated incident to where I was the only person that
Speaker 5: noticed it. But that's not what happened. It said, Okay,
Speaker 5: there's a couple of people here, we'll have one person
Speaker 5: see it and we'll get the UFO guys attention, which
Speaker 5: is exactly what happened on that certain one. It's trying
Speaker 5: to look at everything in a different way than most
Speaker 5: people are, and then trying to compile all of the
Speaker 5: data and going Okay, what's the possibility of this actually
Speaker 5: being this or this? It's hard to do, but it's
Speaker 5: also I think it's very beneficially. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you have questions on that point.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've got tons of questions.
Speaker 4: But I know that you mentioned before we got on
Speaker 4: here that you had some questions about some of the
Speaker 4: things I had talked about that have happened to us
Speaker 4: here on our property. So if you want to get
Speaker 4: into that, we can certainly do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. One of the things I know that you
Speaker 5: had mentioned that when you moved to the property, did
Speaker 5: you know that it had history in that area of sidings?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: Okay, are you from there? No?
Speaker 3: I was originally born and raised in Georgia.
Speaker 5: Okay, do you have family that's ever lived around that area. No, okay, cool,
Speaker 5: There's this thing that people have experiences, especially when you
Speaker 5: go back to your hometown or whatever. In the UFO world,
Speaker 5: we see a lot of lineage sidings. When I first
Speaker 5: heard you mentioned your property, you had moved out there
Speaker 5: and you started having stuff happened. That was the first
Speaker 5: thing I was. I wonder if he has family from here,
Speaker 5: or if he knew that AREO, had that stuff happen,
Speaker 5: or if you would experience something prior in that area.
Speaker 5: What came first? Did you see orbs or craft? I
Speaker 5: know at one point you had said that you had
Speaker 5: seen a craft when you were younger, maybe two times.
Speaker 5: I don't have my notes with me. Are there overlapping
Speaker 5: things that are similar between those two younger sightings versus
Speaker 5: what you're experiencing now.
Speaker 4: No, there was a sighting of a UFO large craft
Speaker 4: with my mom when I was sixteen.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: The other stuff that was going on earlier in life
Speaker 4: wasn't UFO related. It was ponded houses, weird, strange, demonic
Speaker 4: things in the house that we were living in when
Speaker 4: I was ten to thirteen ish. Then the other UFO
Speaker 4: stuff has been after that I've had experiences where I've
Speaker 4: seen them at the beach, flying over late at night
Speaker 4: when we're down on vacation. I had to experiences while
Speaker 4: I was up in Radium, BC, Canada, with God standing
Speaker 4: back at the end of twenty twenty three, one of
Speaker 4: the first or second nights of that expedition, Todd and
Speaker 4: Ashley were not there with us. It was Kyle, his dad, Richard,
Speaker 4: and myself. There's only three of us there. We watched
Speaker 4: UFOs for two hours plus.
Speaker 5: Okay, this was at Radium. Have you talked to Les Stroud?
Speaker 5: I know he had an experience up there where he
Speaker 5: said that he saw lights that he couldn't explain. I
Speaker 5: can't remember if you talked to him or not. I'm
Speaker 5: wondering if there's any cross there, because that's pretty concerning
Speaker 5: data in my eyes, the likelihood of two people having
Speaker 5: similar experiences in the same spot. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 5: a hoax. It seems what it would be is whatever
Speaker 5: was happening to both of you, knew that you were there,
Speaker 5: and knew that the group was relatively small, and maybe
Speaker 5: said Okay, we're going to go interact and this is
Speaker 5: a common thing that happens I mentioned earlier. Your buddy
Speaker 5: next to you can have a totally different experience and
Speaker 5: see a total different thing than you saw while you're
Speaker 5: both looking in the same exact way, or one person
Speaker 5: can see something and the other person can't. But it's
Speaker 5: interesting to have two people on the same timeline have
Speaker 5: the same experiences in an area that not very many
Speaker 5: people know. You're at Todd and Ashley. They're probably the
Speaker 5: only people that knew that you were there or your
Speaker 5: exact location. It'd be interesting to hear has he ever
Speaker 5: said that he's had stuff in that area.
Speaker 3: Let me start with Less.
Speaker 4: I've had conversations with Less about some of his experiences
Speaker 4: in the past. I actually have a call with him
Speaker 4: tomorrow because we're going out on expedition together at some
Speaker 4: point in time. But we're still trying to narrow down
Speaker 4: exactly when that's going to be and where it's going
Speaker 4: to be. Yeah, and I'm going to have some conversations
Speaker 4: with Less about tons of things his mind speak, some
Speaker 4: of the other experiences he's had with Bigfoot, and we're
Speaker 4: going to get into some of his UFO experiences as
Speaker 4: well and talk about that during the expedition as far
Speaker 4: as Todd is concerned, we were stoked. We being meet
Speaker 4: Kylin Richard were excited about what we'd seen. When Todd
Speaker 4: and Ashley got there, we were stoked to tell him
Speaker 4: about the experiences of watching these crazy aeronautic dances that
Speaker 4: we were watching seventy five eighty thousand feet above us.
Speaker 4: Todd could give a shit less. He didn't want to
Speaker 4: talk about UFOs. He doesn't care about UFOs. He's not
Speaker 4: into UFOs at all. It's all about Bigfoot all the time.
Speaker 1: With him.
Speaker 3: We just dismissed it and let it go.
Speaker 5: When you talk to Less, I would ask him see
Speaker 5: if he remembers general time and if you can cross
Speaker 5: reference time and then direction of travel too. A lot
Speaker 5: of times people see stuff coming from the same area.
Speaker 5: I think I listened to the podcast where you had
Speaker 5: mentioned that and was, oh, that's really crazy, because something
Speaker 5: eighty thousand feet in the sky is absolutely impossible to hoax.
Speaker 5: I don't care who you are. I don't care if
Speaker 5: you're Robert Bigelow or the US military or whoever. You're
Speaker 5: not flying fake UFO to make the erratic movements at
Speaker 5: altitude that high in crushing pressure. It's just not happening.
Speaker 5: It drives me crazy when people are oh, yeah, that's
Speaker 5: a drone. If there's no drone, that's a rocket. At
Speaker 5: that point, just sit down and use your brain. It
Speaker 5: would be interesting to see if you guys can cross
Speaker 5: reference those two incidences and see if the direction of
Speaker 5: travel was the same or relatively close. And then time
Speaker 5: wise is a big thing. People talk about the witching hour.
Speaker 5: That's a whole nother rabbit hole. We can go down
Speaker 5: on your property to get back to some of the
Speaker 5: questions I had When you're seeing stuff on your property,
Speaker 5: are you seeing structured craft or are you seeing lights
Speaker 5: in the woods, or are you seeing orbs.
Speaker 3: Never seen orbs? Okay, we've had a couple of experiences.
Speaker 4: I would say three experiences that I can recall immediately
Speaker 4: since we've been here on the property full time, which
Speaker 4: would be around the end of twenty nineteen through present day. Yeah,
Speaker 4: where we have been asleep, typically late at night. I
Speaker 4: don't really pay attention to the time. I usually cut
Speaker 4: my phone off, our Wi Fi off, we cut phones off,
Speaker 4: everything's off when we go to sleep, and we're totally
Speaker 4: in the dark. We don't even get to sell signal
Speaker 4: out here we would wake up to. There's no other
Speaker 4: way to describe it other than the entire area.
Speaker 3: Is lit up.
Speaker 4: That inside of the house is lit up by this
Speaker 4: light source. Whatever it is outside, Yeah, enough to wake
Speaker 4: both of us up. Danny and I are both sitting
Speaker 4: up in the bed. As soon as that happens, it
Speaker 4: goes dark. The entire area is now dark. That's happened
Speaker 4: at least three times. We are in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4: There are no lights next door. We don't have neighbors
Speaker 4: next door that have lights on. We don't have street lights.
Speaker 4: Nothing makes sense.
Speaker 3: There's no noise.
Speaker 4: It's not a search helicopter. I was a police officer.
Speaker 4: We had multiple helicopters of Atlanta Police that would search
Speaker 4: for people.
Speaker 3: They're loud.
Speaker 4: I know what a helicopter sounds. Yeah, it's not a drone.
Speaker 4: It's not any of the things that I can come
Speaker 4: up with to try to rationalize it. A wait, I
Speaker 4: can't tell you what it is.
Speaker 6: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 6: right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: There was one time that we were out in the
Speaker 4: hot tub off the front of the house. Here, off
Speaker 4: the front of the deck and there was something similar
Speaker 4: behind the house, this big bright source of light that
Speaker 4: just lights up the area behind the house, and it's
Speaker 4: moving towards us, and by the time it gets to
Speaker 4: the back part of the house here the light goes out.
Speaker 3: We never saw what it was.
Speaker 4: It just disappeared, went completely dark. The only physical thing
Speaker 4: that we've seen, this really weird thing that happened. This
Speaker 4: is the most recent thing. And I've never talked about
Speaker 4: this on the show. I've only told a couple of
Speaker 4: people about it because I don't know what to make
Speaker 4: of it. There's a big ridge behind us. Our property
Speaker 4: goes up. It takes about forty five minutes to hike
Speaker 4: to the back of our property up this ridge and
Speaker 4: off to the left a bit i'd say maybe a
Speaker 4: mile from us, give or take. We have a neighbor
Speaker 4: who purchased property and he built a house way on
Speaker 4: the back of the very top of this ridge. The
Speaker 4: only way that I know the house is back there
Speaker 4: is I flow in my drone over it, and I
Speaker 4: was able to see it. We were looking in that area,
Speaker 4: but way to the right, to the back of the ridge,
Speaker 4: there was a light that was lit up pretty bright
Speaker 4: through the trees. At first we thought it was the moon,
Speaker 4: but the moon hadn't made it to that area. The
Speaker 4: moon was probably due west at this point, and this
Speaker 4: is almost directly north that we're seeing this. It was
Speaker 4: me and Danny out on the front porch. He actually,
Speaker 4: I think, called my attention to it, and I go
Speaker 4: out and what is that. I get my binoculars and
Speaker 4: start looking through the binoculars. There's tree cover, it's thick
Speaker 4: back there, but I could see this thing. It appeared
Speaker 4: to be stationary, but I could see the light through
Speaker 4: the trees in the binoculars. It was three points of
Speaker 4: light that made a triangle. It wasn't moving that I
Speaker 4: could tell. The light seemed to be equidistant between each other,
Speaker 4: but it formed a triangle.
Speaker 3: Two lights at the top, one at the bottom.
Speaker 5: Did it have a center light, not that I recall, No,
Speaker 5: I just recalled that three lights. It was less beam
Speaker 5: but more ambient from the three light sources on it.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 5: Do you have any estimation of how big it was?
Speaker 4: Hard to say. I don't know how far away it was.
Speaker 4: It's very difficult for me to say. We have this
Speaker 4: little small trampoline outside that you use for calstenics and whatever.
Speaker 4: About that size is the feeling that I had from
Speaker 4: what I was seeing. Now, again, it could have been smaller,
Speaker 4: it could have been bigger.
Speaker 3: I don't know how far away it was.
Speaker 4: I really can't tell you exactly, but that's the feeling
Speaker 4: that I got was it was about that size. You're
Speaker 4: talking maybe what four feet around?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's crazy. The black triangle thing is very
Speaker 5: interesting if you look historically at what people have seen
Speaker 5: over the years. I will say this just before I
Speaker 5: get into this goes back to the whole trickster in
Speaker 5: the paranormal. Whatever your brain is able to accept at
Speaker 5: that time, stuff may manifest as that. If you start
Speaker 5: looking through the timeline of craft, you have the two pipeans,
Speaker 5: the pie ten flying saucer, and then it goes into
Speaker 5: the more smooth flying saucer. Then we started hearing the
Speaker 5: rod thing for a long time, and the black triangle
Speaker 5: in varying sizes, or the fast movers that are these
Speaker 5: tiny little rods or balls that just burn through or
Speaker 5: radically at very high rates of speed. It would be
Speaker 5: interesting to look in your area at some of the
Speaker 5: UFO reports and see if people are seeing the same thing.
Speaker 5: It would also be really interesting to get a sensor
Speaker 5: to you, because then you would be able to tell
Speaker 5: even if your WiFi is off, this thing will still
Speaker 5: record via power. It doesn't need the Wi Fi to
Speaker 5: do anything. It just reboots as soon as the Wi
Speaker 5: Fi goes back on, and it would give you a
Speaker 5: direction to travel, especially if it's that close to your house.
Speaker 5: There's no noise whatsoever when you're seeing lights. No most
Speaker 5: people have the experience where they hear the hum or
Speaker 5: a high pitched wine, or they notice a rumbling in
Speaker 5: the ground when they see this stuff. The fact that
Speaker 5: it's absolutely silent is wild to me. It's probably aware
Speaker 5: that you're there and aware. This goes with everything being
Speaker 5: from the same thing or everything connected. It knows that
Speaker 5: if you hear a sound, you're probably going to run
Speaker 5: out and be go, what is this? That's really wild.
Speaker 5: It would be really interesting to see it on a sensor.
Speaker 5: Do you get electronic manipulation or interference out there.
Speaker 3: No, because there's nothing to interfere with us.
Speaker 4: But I will say this, and I was racking my
Speaker 4: brain as you were talking because I don't want to
Speaker 4: talk about this and then not be able to produce it.
Speaker 4: I'm almost positive I saved this audio because I ordered
Speaker 4: the audio recorders that I still take in the field.
Speaker 4: I was just on a camp out speaking gig this
Speaker 4: past weekend and I took audio recorders with me, and
Speaker 4: these are the same ones that I took. I ordered
Speaker 4: these audio recorders and I started using them on the
Speaker 4: property here. Okay, a couple of times I put them
Speaker 4: both out. They're identical. They're the exact same thing. I
Speaker 4: put them out get very good results. There was one
Speaker 4: particular night shortly after I bought these recorders, and it's
Speaker 4: only happened one time. I've still used the recorders and
Speaker 4: I've never been able to replicate it to this day.
Speaker 4: It was a very strange. I literally put it on
Speaker 4: the deck of our house. It's right outside the front door,
Speaker 4: on the deck. It's very difficult to explain the only
Speaker 4: way I've ever been able to explain it. I've sent
Speaker 4: it to Doug Hihcheck. I sent it to a couple
Speaker 4: of people that I trust that are pretty good with audio.
Speaker 4: They've said, I have no clue what that is. Some
Speaker 4: of the things that you would hear in a movie
Speaker 4: about aliens when they're trying to portray a sound that's alien.
Speaker 5: Is it the high pitched warp? It's not a hum,
Speaker 5: but it's almost what you would assume a ray shooting
Speaker 5: a laser. And it's got a weird, not mechanical sound.
Speaker 3: It's more on the staticy kind of sound.
Speaker 5: It would be interesting to hear that. You'll be at
Speaker 5: the Ozark Mountain conference right. Yes, you can bring it.
Speaker 5: Even if it's just a sound file that I can hear,
Speaker 5: it be interesting to hear. When you first started talking
Speaker 5: about it, I was, Oh, this guy he's gonna get
Speaker 5: it because he's having experiences on his property. Have you
Speaker 5: ever experienced any type of time dilation or have you
Speaker 5: taken any video or photo in the area where stuff
Speaker 5: seems to lag? You're panning with your camera and then
Speaker 5: you get to a point and you go and you're
Speaker 5: moving fluidly, but when you review the video, there's a
Speaker 5: point where it's smooth, and then it lags really hard,
Speaker 5: and then it's smooth again.
Speaker 3: Nothing that I can think of off the top of
Speaker 3: my iad No.
Speaker 5: I saw you perk up at the time dilation.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I was trying to think of anything that I've consciously
Speaker 4: experienced that I could quite to or relate to that.
Speaker 4: I can't think of anything right off the top of
Speaker 4: my head.
Speaker 5: Now, okay, there's a dumbest experiment possible. You can attribute
Speaker 5: it to mass hysteria. At this point from X files,
Speaker 5: we do this thing that's I'm almost ashamed to even
Speaker 5: mention it because it's low tech and it's ridiculous. Two stopwatches,
Speaker 5: You click them, you have a control, they're set at
Speaker 5: the same time, and you just let them rit leave
Speaker 5: them for whatever. Put one in a Faraday bag or
Speaker 5: something that blocks any type of electronic interference, whatsoever. The
Speaker 5: best thing to do is I do this digitally, but
Speaker 5: if you can get who old school wind stopwatches and
Speaker 5: make sure you wind the crap out of them before
Speaker 5: you do this, Take an electronic stopwatch and a mechanical stopwatch,
Speaker 5: put two of them in a Fara day bag, set
Speaker 5: them off somewhere, and then just leave them. I would
Speaker 5: be highly surprised if you had an instant where you
Speaker 5: saw these lights and those two were not affected, either
Speaker 5: the digital ones or the mechanical ones. This is the
Speaker 5: stupidest low tech, scientific controlled experiment to prove time dilation
Speaker 5: that you possibly can have. But it's wild because I've
Speaker 5: seen it happen, and I've seen video and photographic evidence
Speaker 5: of watches being off quite a bit. I get a
Speaker 5: ton of interference with the compasses. I have a risk
Speaker 5: compass on all the time with a watch, just to
Speaker 5: make sure at least if I'm having an experience, I
Speaker 5: can set the time and mildly note where I'm at
Speaker 5: in my research area. I started having literally one compass
Speaker 5: that doesn't move, and then another one rotates, and it's
Speaker 5: clockwise counterclockwise. I talked about it on another podcast. I
Speaker 5: separate them. They're isolated from electronics. They're both in a
Speaker 5: Fara day bag. I pull them out separately and can
Speaker 5: set one on the ground and then walk twenty feet
Speaker 5: away and set the other one down, and walk back
Speaker 5: and forth and watch one of them spend. Someone had said,
Speaker 5: all the area that you're in has a geomagnetic anomaly
Speaker 5: in the point where you set a compass down. I'm
Speaker 5: not an idiot. I picked that compass up, move it,
Speaker 5: and then move the other one, and the compass that
Speaker 5: was spinning will still rotate in a totally different location.
Speaker 5: These are low tier experiments for morons. Basically, there should
Speaker 5: be one of those how to check for time dilation
Speaker 5: dummy books, or the how to check for geomagnetic anomalies
Speaker 5: in your area or magnetic stuff that can affect your electronics.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you really quickly before we get out
Speaker 4: of here. Is there a couple of things that you
Speaker 4: can give folks because people are going to hear this
Speaker 4: and there will be those people that say, man, I
Speaker 4: want to go out there and try to look for
Speaker 4: some of this stuff. Is there anything that you can
Speaker 4: recommend as far as maybe a tool or two that
Speaker 4: is pretty easily accessible to people that are interested in
Speaker 4: this if they're going out and doing bigfoot research or
Speaker 4: whatever kind of research they're doing, that you could recommend
Speaker 4: that they could go out and maybe pick up on
Speaker 4: Amazon or find a radio shag somewhere and pick up
Speaker 4: to take out to measure some of this stuff. They
Speaker 4: can verify what they're experiencing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's three big ones that are really easy to
Speaker 5: get that I recommend for everybody. The first one is
Speaker 5: two identical stopwatches and two identical watches that record time.
Speaker 5: Those are the two biggest you can get. I wear
Speaker 5: a relatively cheap cassio and a risk compass that goes
Speaker 5: everywhere with me that way. It sounds dumb, but you
Speaker 5: can really grab a lot of data, and if you're
Speaker 5: experiencing something, you can click the time notote on your
Speaker 5: watch and know exactly what time something happened, and then
Speaker 5: potentially go back and try to cross reference data with
Speaker 5: recording video whatever. The other one is. It's two pieces
Speaker 5: of sound equipment. A recorder that connects to the end
Speaker 5: of a stick or that you're not holding in your hand,
Speaker 5: or a recorder that's isolated that you can connect to
Speaker 5: a small tripod. The reason you don't want to hold
Speaker 5: it is because the more nervous you get, the you're
Speaker 5: gonna grip. But as your heart rate starts to slow,
Speaker 5: you're gonna get interference with a low audible but not
Speaker 5: really audible and hard to explain heartbeat in those recorders
Speaker 5: that everybody's death gripping when they're hearing something going on.
Speaker 5: The other thing to go along with the recorder is
Speaker 5: a set of shooting earmuffs minor highly tweet I run
Speaker 5: a pair of impact sport. You can get him at
Speaker 5: fast pro shops. Give this man some money for this
Speaker 5: free ad here or any place that sells firearm stuff.
Speaker 5: Put those on. Wear him in the woods as soon
Speaker 5: as you get out of the car, put them on,
Speaker 5: turn them on. You'll probably start having stuff that you
Speaker 5: start noticing. And then if you have that recorder, click
Speaker 5: that recorder on, click your watch. Cross reference those three
Speaker 5: pieces of data. The last one, without getting really crazy
Speaker 5: tech wise, is get a UHV or a VHF radio.
Speaker 5: Amazon has the bow thing. I think the cheapest one
Speaker 5: I have is thirty bucks, and I run it all
Speaker 5: the time. If you learn how to scan through both
Speaker 5: sets of frequencies, most people don't realize it, you're going
Speaker 5: to start to get electronic interference from potentially something that's around,
Speaker 5: whether it's the UFO or Bigfoot, and sometimes even the
Speaker 5: whole EVP that's a radio signal. Essentially, you should be
Speaker 5: able to pick it up with an ultra high frequency
Speaker 5: or something the equivalent to where you could start getting static.
Speaker 5: People don't pay attention to static, but it's very important
Speaker 5: from my field because I start hearing patterns in static
Speaker 5: that don't make sense with other things. The last thing
Speaker 5: that's really easy to get is use the on X map.
Speaker 5: Get an on X map on your phone. When you
Speaker 5: start having stuff happen. Mark a pin or a waypoint.
Speaker 5: Do you know where you were, and then you can
Speaker 5: go back. If it's nighttime or something happens and you
Speaker 5: got to get out of there, then you can go back.
Speaker 5: I have a lot of issues. I get waypoints that
Speaker 5: go a million miles away from where I put them,
Speaker 5: and that's my fault because of all this stuff I'm into.
Speaker 1: But use it.
Speaker 5: Those maps on a phone allows you to very easily pinpoint.
Speaker 5: I had an experience here, and if you use all
Speaker 5: of those in conjunction, you might be surprised with what
Speaker 5: you start to see when you start uploading stuff digitally.
Speaker 5: Those are the three big ones, the higher tech stuff.
Speaker 5: I think I mentioned it before. I'm doing a book
Speaker 5: that basically gives a few page rundown of all the
Speaker 5: electronics that I use, where they come from, how much
Speaker 5: they cost, and how to use them without going into
Speaker 5: a whole entire episode on tech. It's hard to mention
Speaker 5: some of that stuff because it is detailed and it's
Speaker 5: really weird compared to what most people are using. Those
Speaker 5: are the big ones. Those are the easiest that everybody
Speaker 5: can have.
Speaker 4: You mentioned it earlier. I'll be in Missouri for the
Speaker 4: Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference on October the fourth, and then
Speaker 4: we'll be at the camp out google Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference.
Speaker 4: Go to the website, reach out to Marianne and get
Speaker 4: your ticket and come by and see us there. I
Speaker 4: am looking forward to hanging out with you there, Levi,
Speaker 4: and maybe even getting into some things in your research area.
Speaker 4: Who knows what we have time for, but I'm definitely
Speaker 4: looking forward to it. Man, Thanks so much for coming
Speaker 4: back and sharing even more of your knowledge and experiences
Speaker 4: with us.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, anytime, if anybody wants to shoot me an
Speaker 5: email or house questions or whatever too, I always put
Speaker 5: it out there. It's just Levi at narcop dot org,
Speaker 5: the same as the gene Levi na r cop dot org.
Speaker 5: I get bombarded with crazy emails. Some of them are
Speaker 5: really weird and usually lead to some other crazy finding
Speaker 5: or cross reference. If I don't get back to you immediately,
Speaker 5: I promise I will when I can, Because since I
Speaker 5: started doing all this stuff and putting it out there,
Speaker 5: the response has just been insane.
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