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<v Speaker 1>Welcome here in the City Hall of Kudah. I began

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<v Speaker 1>with a few opening statements and then I will present

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<v Speaker 1>my formal introduction to you. For the second year in

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<v Speaker 1>a row, I'm honored to introduce to you doctor Aaron Brook,

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<v Speaker 1>president of the Ironran Institute, for one day again. Kuda

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<v Speaker 1>is the objectivist capital of the world, for which I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very proud. Thank you Eron for coming and also for

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<v Speaker 1>your courage given to their circumstances. Also welcome Jonathan Dowan.

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<v Speaker 1>He will say a few words at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>a program regarding the upcoming European conference in Berlin in

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<v Speaker 1>March next year on objectivism the philosophy of iron. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I like to thank the people of Mandeville Academy for

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<v Speaker 1>their help in organizing this event, in particular highly in Yosvina,

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<v Speaker 1>although they are not yet here. But then I had

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<v Speaker 1>to say a few things nice to them. They are

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<v Speaker 1>both amazing and very dear to me, and I'm happy

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<v Speaker 1>for them that they will get married in June next year,

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<v Speaker 1>and it pleases me that that shows my birthday as

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<v Speaker 1>their wedding day. Of course, and you'll thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>coming and showing interest in the application of objectivism to

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<v Speaker 1>a very important issue, the conflict in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 1>So now my formal introduction. Last year's topic was how

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<v Speaker 1>to be the protagonist of your own life, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>how to fight for happiness in your personal future. This

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<v Speaker 1>concerns you as an individual. Thissier topic concerns you as

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<v Speaker 1>a member of society. I have asked Sharon to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about probably the most complex conflict in the world, the

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<v Speaker 1>conflict in the Middle East, and my request was that

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<v Speaker 1>you will give us his ideas about creating a lasting piece,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, how to fight for happiness and the

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<v Speaker 1>future society. As a thinker and admirer of Finnrant and

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<v Speaker 1>offer philosophy objectivism, I'm always looking for fundamental insights into

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<v Speaker 1>complex issues and for fundamental solutions based on creative ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I have insufficient knowledge myself, I go to

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<v Speaker 1>a specialist that I respect with the aim of being educated.

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<v Speaker 1>For today's topic, I expect we will be educated by you.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, myself talked about the functioning of man's mind

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<v Speaker 1>based on Iran's epistemology her theory of knowledge. I presented

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<v Speaker 1>my model called the frame of reason that consists of

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<v Speaker 1>four blocks. There is the perceptual problem, representing a block

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom left of the model, indicating something you

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<v Speaker 1>perceive in reality which you evaluate as a problem. I

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<v Speaker 1>gave the example of a man experience a headache. It

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<v Speaker 1>is something real and perceived, and he considers it as

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. What he wants is some approach to arrive

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<v Speaker 1>at a perceptual solution represented by the bottom right black

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<v Speaker 1>block in the model. He made use by imitation to

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<v Speaker 1>take a painkiller. Usually then his headache will be done,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes that approach does not work. Then he goes

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<v Speaker 1>to a doctor who identifies who identifies the cause of

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<v Speaker 1>the problem, which we call the conceptual problem, represented by

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<v Speaker 1>the top left and block in a model. I suggested

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<v Speaker 1>last year that the doctors diagnosed in this case is

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<v Speaker 1>that he identifies a brain tumor in the man's head.

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<v Speaker 1>From the identification of the conceptual problem, the doctor analyzes

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of treatments and based on the specific situation,

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<v Speaker 1>you will decide on the best approach to cure the

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<v Speaker 1>problem that is called the conceptual solution, represented by the

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<v Speaker 1>top right hand block in the model. So objectivist thinking

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<v Speaker 1>moves from the identification of a perceptual problem by abstraction

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<v Speaker 1>to the conceptual problem, by logic to the conceptual solution,

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<v Speaker 1>and by action based on the conceptual solution to the

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<v Speaker 1>concretization of perceptual situation. Start with realityply reason with your

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<v Speaker 1>own rational interest in minds as we go into the

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<v Speaker 1>topic of today, how to fundamentally resolve the conflict in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East. In my opinion, the approach should be similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Start with a problem abstract to the fundamental nature thereof,

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<v Speaker 1>apply logic to identify the potential solution on the conceptual level,

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<v Speaker 1>and act to realize that solution. Again, I like to

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<v Speaker 1>compare the approach needed for this issue with the approach

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<v Speaker 1>of going to a doctor. First, one has to identify

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<v Speaker 1>at the perceptual level why there is a problem. The

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<v Speaker 1>doctor will ask you what are the symptoms and what

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<v Speaker 1>are your complaints? So perception and evaluation. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>identification of one's personal evaluation of the situation. My personal

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<v Speaker 1>evaluation of the problem in the Middle East is what

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<v Speaker 1>I will present to you first. But before that, what

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor is doing next is comparing the specific situation

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<v Speaker 1>functioning of a man's body, both physical and mental Thus

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<v Speaker 1>he applies his theoretical base that he got from university.

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<v Speaker 1>That theory is fundamental and applied in general. Thus it

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<v Speaker 1>is an objective foundation. He will also compare it with

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<v Speaker 1>his personal experience as a doctor, thus with his practical knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know that experience is key in translating general

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge to practical circumstances to come up with the right diagnose.

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<v Speaker 1>And when the diagnose is there, the doctor will come

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<v Speaker 1>up with the right approach, which in general consists of

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<v Speaker 1>a medical operation and after that a recovery treatment, so

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<v Speaker 1>that the result will be lasting. The use of a

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental objective base is the second part of my introduction.

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<v Speaker 1>I will come here with the objective foundation as the

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<v Speaker 1>base to identify the problem that we discussed today. The

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<v Speaker 1>objective foundation I will find in Irn's philosophy, which confirms

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<v Speaker 1>the value of philosophy in general and of objectivism in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>Iron Rent wrote an important article called the Roots of War,

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<v Speaker 1>from which I will give you some important quotes. The

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<v Speaker 1>translation of the general theory combined with his professional experience

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<v Speaker 1>to the issue of the conflict in the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 1>I will leave to Yarin, and also he will do

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<v Speaker 1>the reasoning to present us with the approach to the

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<v Speaker 1>conceptual solution, thus to lasting peace. In this case, he is,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, the most appropriate specialist. Okay, First, I

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<v Speaker 1>like to discuss my personal evaluation. My father is a

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<v Speaker 1>peaceful man. But when I was a child, we were

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<v Speaker 1>once near the German border, which was still closed at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. I remember of that occasion the sudden feeling

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<v Speaker 1>of hate is my father for Germans. It was based

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<v Speaker 1>on what he had experienced as a child in the

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<v Speaker 1>Second World War. That war lasted only five years, but

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<v Speaker 1>the impact was enormous. The conflict in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>exists not for five years, but for centuries. Next point,

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<v Speaker 1>when one of my daughters was fifteen years old, she

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<v Speaker 1>went for the first time to a hallow evening here

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<v Speaker 1>in hardar storried for my emotion, at the Saint John Cathedral.

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<v Speaker 1>She was beautiful, formally dressed for the first time in

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<v Speaker 1>an evening gown. I dropped her off by car at

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<v Speaker 1>about thirty meters from the entrance, which she had to walk.

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<v Speaker 1>When I picked her up at the end of the evening,

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<v Speaker 1>she told me that during that short walk a group

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<v Speaker 1>of young Moroccan guys had hissed and ceased to her

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<v Speaker 1>and called her a whar. She was really frightened and upset.

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<v Speaker 1>It made me incredibly angry, and I identified the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that I was capable of killing when someone you love

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<v Speaker 1>is deeply hurt and you want to protect her. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I saw on TV the horror of October seventh

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<v Speaker 1>last year in Israel. Young people innocent and vulnerable were attacked, raped, killed,

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<v Speaker 1>and kidnapped, and I thought, suppose these were my own children.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what I would have liked to do, but

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<v Speaker 1>probably wouldn't have done. Get into personal action. What would

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<v Speaker 1>you expect from your government when your daughters and sons

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<v Speaker 1>would be victimized like that? If some terrorists would be domestic,

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<v Speaker 1>you would expect the police to capture the terrorists and

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<v Speaker 1>the court to pronounce the appropriate sentence. When the terrorist

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<v Speaker 1>comes from abroad, you would expect the government of that

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<v Speaker 1>particular country to act for justice. But if the government

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<v Speaker 1>of that other country participate in those acts of terror,

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<v Speaker 1>you would expect your own government to go to war

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<v Speaker 1>as a way of protecting you and your loved ones

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<v Speaker 1>against that terrorist government. If a doctor decides that the

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<v Speaker 1>medical operation is required to remove a threat to someone's health.

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<v Speaker 1>Any surgeon would tell you that the operation must be

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<v Speaker 1>focused on the threat, must be carried out swiftly, and

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<v Speaker 1>must be carried out complete. No surgeon will suggest that

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<v Speaker 1>the operation may take months in duration, or that the

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<v Speaker 1>partial elimination of some threat as form of appeasement is sufficient.

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<v Speaker 1>All the bed cells must be eliminated, and every surgeon

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<v Speaker 1>knows that collateral damage cannot be avoided. Here in the

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<v Speaker 1>Netherlands we also have had some intensive terrorist attacked many

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, the kidnapping of a train. I know a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who was in the train. She has learned to

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<v Speaker 1>live with that experience, but it's carter for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of her life. On that occasion, our government did act.

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<v Speaker 1>The military attacked their train and the kidnappers were killed.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the appropriate response, in my opinion. In the

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<v Speaker 1>public discussion of the Middle East conflict now I hear

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<v Speaker 1>primarily emotional responses of the use of violence without the

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<v Speaker 1>proper ant pallasis based on reason. The difference between the

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<v Speaker 1>initiation of force by terrorists and the retaliation of force

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<v Speaker 1>by the government is not recognized. The difference between a

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<v Speaker 1>destructive purpose firing rockets to a neighboring country and a

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<v Speaker 1>constructive approach building up a prosperous society is evaded, and

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<v Speaker 1>the difference between an offensive violence strategy eliminating Israel and

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<v Speaker 1>a defense strategy building a protection dome is also neglected.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, this is all a demonstration of the neglect

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<v Speaker 1>of the objective use of reason and of the evasion

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<v Speaker 1>to identify the effects of reality. This explains why I

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<v Speaker 1>am on the side of Israel, although I do see

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<v Speaker 1>false like they're accepting a partial destruction of the enemy's

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<v Speaker 1>potential rather than complete and now of appeasing to let

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<v Speaker 1>their enemies recover their strength, as this event today originates.

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<v Speaker 1>In my purpose to explain the value of objectivism, I

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<v Speaker 1>will now turn to Iran's general theory in o RN

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<v Speaker 1>to call the roots of war. Of course, she starts

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<v Speaker 1>with the general context of the problem. In what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of society and in what kind of political system does

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<v Speaker 1>war originate? And when does it?

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<v Speaker 1>To quote her less a fair capitalism is the only

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<v Speaker 1>social system based on the recognition of individual rights, and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore the only system that bans force from social relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>By the nature of its basic principles and interests. It

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<v Speaker 1>is the only system fundamentally opposed to war. Men who

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<v Speaker 1>are free to produce have no incentive to loot. They

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing to gain from war and a great deal

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<v Speaker 1>to lose. Ideologically, the principle of insual right individual rights

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<v Speaker 1>does not permit a man to seek his own livelihood

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<v Speaker 1>at the point of a gun inside or outside this country. Economically,

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<v Speaker 1>war costs money. In the free economy, where wealth is

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<v Speaker 1>privately owned, the cost of war come out of the

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<v Speaker 1>income of private citizens. There is no overblown public treasury

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<v Speaker 1>to hide that fact, and a citizen cannot hope to

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<v Speaker 1>recoup his own financial losses such as taxes or business

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<v Speaker 1>dislocations or property destruction, by winning the war. Thus his

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<v Speaker 1>own economic interests are on the side of peace. She

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<v Speaker 1>underlies this identification with the reason why, and here is

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<v Speaker 1>my second quote. The trader and the warrior have been

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentally antagonist throughout history. Trade does not florish on battle fields,

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<v Speaker 1>grow un Rubble capitalism is a society of trades for

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<v Speaker 1>which it has been denounced by every would be gunman

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<v Speaker 1>who regards trade as selfish and conquest conquest as noble

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<v Speaker 1>let those who actually are concerned with peace observe that

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<v Speaker 1>capitalism gave mankind the longest period of peace in history,

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<v Speaker 1>a period during which there were no wars involving the

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<v Speaker 1>entire civilized world, from the end of the Napoleonic Wars

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen fifteen to the outbreak of World War One

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fourteen. Politicians now all call for a two

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<v Speaker 1>state future as a means to solve the conflict and

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<v Speaker 1>wars in the Middle East, but I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>this is by any means. A foundation of peace. Is

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<v Speaker 1>the roots of the war in the Middle East that

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<v Speaker 1>have to be fought, from which the future of peace

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<v Speaker 1>and prosperity can be built. I expect that capitalism is

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<v Speaker 1>the best social system according to objevism will have to

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you for the invitation, Thank you all for

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<v Speaker 3>being here this afternoon. The events of October seventh were

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<v Speaker 3>world It was truly horrific, and I'm not gonna give

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<v Speaker 3>heard the stories. There's no reason to recount everything that

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<v Speaker 3>happened that day. But it was truly true horror. And

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<v Speaker 3>yet much of the response of the world, much of

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<v Speaker 3>another skirmish in a long battle, and who knows who

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<v Speaker 3>started it. You know, you have to go back decades,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's right on both sides, and they're bad people

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<v Speaker 3>on both sides, and they're good people on both sides,

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<v Speaker 3>and a real moral equivocation. Many as we saw on

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<v Speaker 3>American campuses, and I think much of Europe actually celebrated

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<v Speaker 3>and sided with the Palestinians on October seventh, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>on October eighth, there were already letters at Harvard University

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<v Speaker 3>in support of Ramas and articulating the case. And again

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<v Speaker 3>the story went something like, yes, it was barbaric, it

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<v Speaker 3>was horrible, but what do you expect from people that

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<v Speaker 3>have been oppressed for so many years? This is all

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<v Speaker 3>Israel's bolt. Others, of course, cited with Israel and said, yes, no,

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<v Speaker 3>this is really bad. Israel needs to do something about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But almost always once Israel did something about it, they

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<v Speaker 3>argued for a strain and not doing too much and

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<v Speaker 3>not overreacting. And everybody, I think is overwhelmed. Those seems

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<v Speaker 3>overwhelmed with the complexity of what is going on in

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<v Speaker 3>the Middle East, right, I mean, there are many players.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got Hamas and Gaza, You've got the Palestinians in

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<v Speaker 3>the West Bank, You've got Grizabella and Lebanon, You've got

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<v Speaker 3>the Iranians, and you've got all these other Arab countries

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<v Speaker 3>in the Middle that's not clear exactly what stand they have,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just it's overwhelming. And then people tell you, well,

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<v Speaker 3>it's one hundred years of history, and then you have

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<v Speaker 3>to go back and understand exactly what happened over those

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<v Speaker 3>hundred years and exactly the consequences and the sequence of events,

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<v Speaker 3>and people just give up there, They throw up their

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<v Speaker 3>hands and they give up. It's too complicated, it's too hot.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet it's not and it shouldn't be, because even

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't know anything about the last hundred years,

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<v Speaker 3>even if you don't know about the whole configuration of

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<v Speaker 3>the Middle East and exactly what happens and who are

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<v Speaker 3>the players are and everything else. What you do know

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<v Speaker 3>and what you can discover fairly quickly is the nature,

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<v Speaker 3>the fundamental nature the character of the parties that are

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<v Speaker 3>at war right now in the Middle East. One can

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<v Speaker 3>look at Israel. If everybody's visited Israel, people can visit

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<v Speaker 3>as well. They can see it, or they can read

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<v Speaker 3>about it. And Israel today forget about the last hundred years.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy to talk about that as well. But in a sense,

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<v Speaker 3>it's irrelevant. What kind of society is Israeli society today,

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<v Speaker 3>it's fundamentally Western, it's fundamentally free. People have equal rights

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<v Speaker 3>in Israel. People have the freedom to speak, they have

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<v Speaker 3>property rights. They live relatively speaking, very European lives in

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<v Speaker 3>a positive sense, in the sense of we respect people's

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<v Speaker 3>rights in Europe for the most parts. I wish we'd

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<v Speaker 3>do more than that, but for the most part, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a general sense of individual liberty in Israel. Even if

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<v Speaker 3>you're not part of their majority group, if you're not Jewish,

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<v Speaker 3>you still have property rights, your freedom of speech, you

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<v Speaker 3>can still engage in movement and action, and there are

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<v Speaker 3>very few limitations that are exclusive to you as an Arab.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say you actually have one privilege that Jews don't have.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to serve in the military, so there's

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<v Speaker 3>no conscription imposed on you. You can volunteer, but you're

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<v Speaker 3>not forced. Jews and Israel are forced to go to

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<v Speaker 3>the military eighteen. But there's true of Christians and Muslims

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<v Speaker 3>and Jews and any other subsect of people within Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>They're treated like people are treated in the Western worlds.

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<v Speaker 3>They're treated with respect as individuals. Is just far from

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<v Speaker 3>a perfect society. Certainly by the standards of objectivism, they're

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<v Speaker 3>far from a perfect society. They could be more capitalists,

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<v Speaker 3>they could respect individual rights even more. But given the

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<v Speaker 3>standard that we have in the world, they're relatively free.

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<v Speaker 3>Given the standard of history, this is one of the

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<v Speaker 3>freest countries in history, and in particular if one looks

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<v Speaker 3>and contrasts them with if you will, the other side Gaza,

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<v Speaker 3>where the conflicts this time erupted. Gaza has been ruled

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<v Speaker 3>by Hamas since basically since two thousand and six. Israel

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<v Speaker 3>left Gaza completely. In two thousand and five, it literally

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<v Speaker 3>evacuated its own citizens out of Gaza. There were Israeli

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<v Speaker 3>villages in Gaza. The Israeli military went in and dragged

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<v Speaker 3>people out of their homes and evacuated them from Gaza. Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>the idea was, we can't defend you here, so we

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<v Speaker 3>need you out. If you stay, we have to devote

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<v Speaker 3>resources to defending you, it's obligation. We can't do that,

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<v Speaker 3>so we're going to force you all out. And as

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<v Speaker 3>All did that, and it handed over control to Gaza

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<v Speaker 3>to the Palestinians. Whoever wants to control it, right, Palestinians

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<v Speaker 3>had a choice on how to do it. There were

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<v Speaker 3>elections Ramas won. We expected them to win, but they

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<v Speaker 3>won and h then there was a civil war between

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<v Speaker 3>the Haramas and the PLO, and they kicked the PLO

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<v Speaker 3>out and Haramas dominated the Gaza stript. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>one indication of what was to come happened the day

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<v Speaker 3>after all the you know, Jewish civilians were evacuated from

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<v Speaker 3>Gaza because they had left behind in these villages. They

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<v Speaker 3>had left behind their lives, but they'd left behind economic assets.

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<v Speaker 3>They'd lift behind, you know, small factories, they'd lift behind, greenhouses,

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<v Speaker 3>very advanced technologically greenhouses. You know, Gaza's the desert, yet

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<v Speaker 3>they had grown stuff and they'd created a Becausin left

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<v Speaker 3>the greenhouses and you would expect that the Palestinians say,

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<v Speaker 3>whool isn't this great? We now get to use the greenhouses.

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<v Speaker 3>These people, you know, built you out because we don't

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<v Speaker 3>have any Next day they went to the greenhouses, they

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<v Speaker 3>went to factories and they destroyed them all. They destroyed

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<v Speaker 3>them all, which gives you an indication of kind of

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<v Speaker 3>their inclination. It's not to build, construct, improve Hamastakova. And

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<v Speaker 3>now we can judge, okay, what was life like in

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<v Speaker 3>the Gaza strip under Hamas? Are individual rights respected? Is

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<v Speaker 3>their free speech? How? How do people live in Gaza

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<v Speaker 3>under this regime of Ramas? Because is what was out

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<v Speaker 3>of it. And it turns out not surprisingly at all

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<v Speaker 3>if you know much about Palestinian history or the Arab

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<v Speaker 3>world generally, because this is true of the Arab world

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<v Speaker 3>more broadly, that in Gaza there are no individual rights

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<v Speaker 3>people are. You know, Ramasa is a dictatorial power. It's

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<v Speaker 3>authoritarian to the core. It dictates everything. If you oppose them,

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<v Speaker 3>you are killed. If they don't like you, you are often killed.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you see these signs in the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe seeing them in Europe as well. Gaze for Palestine right.

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<v Speaker 3>Ramas was known for taking gaze to tall buildings and

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<v Speaker 3>throwing them off the building. The Quran says this is

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<v Speaker 3>the punishment, so does the Old and New Testament, but

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<v Speaker 3>the Muslims take it seriously. So no freedom as a consequence,

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<v Speaker 3>no economic progress. The people remain poor to the extent

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<v Speaker 3>that there was anything. You'll you'll see pictures of Gaza

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<v Speaker 3>before the war looking quite nice. But anything nice that

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<v Speaker 3>existed in Gaza was because people in Katar and people

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<v Speaker 3>in Iran and Saudi Arabia sent the money. It was

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<v Speaker 3>nothing was actually produced in Gaza. There was no real

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<v Speaker 3>economic activity. Again, contrast that to Israel, which is booming,

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<v Speaker 3>has been booming for years now. Is the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think second in the world only to Silicon Valley

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of entrepreneurship and innovation and technology. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>an accident. The country that basically respects the individual rights

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<v Speaker 3>of its citizens, basically leaves them alone, allows them to

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<v Speaker 3>pursue their happiness, is a country in which there will

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<v Speaker 3>be economic activity and people will achieve real economic success.

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<v Speaker 3>A country that oppresses its population, you will see no

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<v Speaker 3>economic progress. A Israel as a secular country, yes, there

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<v Speaker 3>is a lot of religion, and I think in the

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<v Speaker 3>news we see more religion than there really is in Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>But generally it's a secular country. There is not as

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<v Speaker 3>much as I'd like it to be, but there is

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<v Speaker 3>a separation between state and church, between state and religion.

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<v Speaker 3>All religions again have equal standing before the law. Comas

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<v Speaker 3>there's a theocracy, it's a theocracy of Islam is inspired

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<v Speaker 3>by the radiant regime and the role of religion in

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<v Speaker 3>their license. Religion dominates every aspect of what they do,

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<v Speaker 3>in how they governance, again in the attitude to gays

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<v Speaker 3>or their attitude to individuals. Israel, as a relatively individualistic society,

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<v Speaker 3>people are treated as individuals. In Gaza, people are treated

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<v Speaker 3>as members of groups, tribes. Tribal identity is what is important.

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<v Speaker 3>So even without knowing any history, even without knowing all

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<v Speaker 3>the details of how it is always founded and what

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<v Speaker 3>happened and how it all played out, and every Palestinian

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<v Speaker 3>leader in a row, and what the Palestinians did over

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<v Speaker 3>many of those years, all one has to really do

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<v Speaker 3>is look at the reality as it exists today, accessible

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<v Speaker 3>to almost any human being on planet Earth today. The

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<v Speaker 3>information is right there, it's not hard to discover. And

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<v Speaker 3>what you find is good and evil. What you find

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<v Speaker 3>as a country that is basically a good country with

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<v Speaker 3>flaws and a country that's fundamentally as a police galant

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<v Speaker 3>at the evil with nothing positive, nothing positive. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you understand it in those terms, then what does evil

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<v Speaker 3>have to what is hamas in order to sustain its

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<v Speaker 3>authoritarian ways? What does it have to do? What do

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<v Speaker 3>authoritarians really every way ultimately have to do because their

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<v Speaker 3>failure is domestically the economy of Gaza didn't exist. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>all the money they got, they got them overseas. What

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<v Speaker 3>did they do, by the way, with all their money,

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<v Speaker 3>they came a little bit, improved the streets and their

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<v Speaker 3>buildings a little bit. But what mostly did they do?

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<v Speaker 3>We know now. They dug tunnels, They bought weapons, They

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<v Speaker 3>put weapons into tunnels. And the tunnel system is amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, in America you cannot build a tunnel right

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<v Speaker 3>because of all the environmental regulations and all the rest.

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<v Speaker 3>It cost a gazillion dollars, and Gaza was no problem.

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<v Speaker 3>They dug tunnels everywhere, much faster and much more effectively

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<v Speaker 3>than they do in the American cities. So if that's

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<v Speaker 3>what you're doing, if that's how you're spending the money,

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<v Speaker 3>if that is what gives you legitimacy, the building of

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<v Speaker 3>tunnels and the arming of the people, then war is

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<v Speaker 3>necessary for you. It is a justification for your existence.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no justification in creating an environment in which your

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<v Speaker 3>people can thrive. The only justification is hatred of the other's,

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<v Speaker 3>hatred of Israel. So while for me, October seventh was

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<v Speaker 3>truly shocking in its barbarity, and we should remember this

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<v Speaker 3>was pure barberism, it was not surprising at all. It

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<v Speaker 3>was not surprising that it happened. It was just a

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<v Speaker 3>matter of time before Hamas was going to do something

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<v Speaker 3>like this, And it wasn't that surprising in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of violence that it could because that is

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of culture they've created and goes. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>kind of culture that we haven't seen in the West

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<v Speaker 3>in probably three four hundred years, probably the last war

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<v Speaker 3>there was that barbaric in a sense of just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>face to face combat and rape and pellage. It's probably

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<v Speaker 3>you have to go back probably to the eighteenth century

422
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<v Speaker 3>of the seventeenth century, so that is where we are

423
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<v Speaker 3>there are two sides to this conflict, a good side

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<v Speaker 3>and a bad side, a side of righteousness and a

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<v Speaker 3>side of evil, a side that is trying to protect

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<v Speaker 3>itself and defend itself, and a side that wants to

427
00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:56.200
<v Speaker 3>kill and slaughter and destroy. Hamas does not offer some

428
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<v Speaker 3>kind of long term vision for how to live side

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<v Speaker 3>by side with Israel. Palestinian people do not believe in

430
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.759
<v Speaker 3>a long term vision to live side by site Israel.

431
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.519
<v Speaker 3>Their vision is to replace Israel. The River to the

432
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<v Speaker 3>Sea means exactly what they say. They want a Palestinian

433
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<v Speaker 3>state from the river to the sea, with no Jews

434
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:19.519
<v Speaker 3>between the river and the sea. And by the way,

435
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<v Speaker 3>the river most of the kids who yelled the river

436
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.839
<v Speaker 3>to the sea have no idea what river and what sea.

437
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.559
<v Speaker 3>But you know, it's it's the Jordan River to the

438
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:31.160
<v Speaker 3>Mediterranean Sea. It's that it's what Israel today and what

439
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.319
<v Speaker 3>used to be called the West Bank, that whole area.

440
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:39.200
<v Speaker 3>They want the destruction of Israel. And it's not that

441
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.759
<v Speaker 3>they say, you know, once we get rid of the Jews,

442
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:46.960
<v Speaker 3>we're going to establish a prosperous, free, you know, a capitalist,

443
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:55.039
<v Speaker 3>wonderful society. No, that's just step one towards they go. Remember,

444
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 3>these are people are theocratic. They have adopted the idea

445
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:03.880
<v Speaker 3>of ISLAMI and the goal ultimately is Sharia law over

446
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.480
<v Speaker 3>the entire world. Step one is destroy Israel. Step two

447
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:12.960
<v Speaker 3>make our way to Europe. It's closer ultimately the US.

448
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:15.440
<v Speaker 3>And they believe this not tasked. It seems ridiculous, but

449
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.880
<v Speaker 3>they really want world conquest. They want world conquest. We

450
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<v Speaker 3>live in the twenty first century. They do, and they

451
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<v Speaker 3>think Allah is on their side and they think that

452
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<v Speaker 3>they can be successful, that they can achieve this. Step

453
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<v Speaker 3>one is Israel not the final step. No Ramas, no

454
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<v Speaker 3>Risbella ultimately are not nationalist movements. Both MS and Chris

455
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<v Speaker 3>Bala ultimately international movements. These are movements dedicated to world domination. Again,

456
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<v Speaker 3>as ridiculous as that might sound, just all you have

457
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.119
<v Speaker 3>to do is read their charter. They modify their charts.

458
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<v Speaker 3>Chris Boala as original Charta talked about Sarilo over the

459
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<v Speaker 3>whole world. And then they've they've waded it down because

460
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<v Speaker 3>they tried to become a political force with it, and

461
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Lebanon Stay wanded it down to present themselves more as nationalists.

462
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:07.119
<v Speaker 3>But ultimately what they want is what Uan wants, what's

463
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.279
<v Speaker 3>in the constitution. If you want, which is the spreading

464
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<v Speaker 3>of Islam on a global scale, Well, you know, we

465
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:18.880
<v Speaker 3>can talk about Saudi Arabia. Ask me in the q

466
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 3>and A of Saudi Arabia, because we could go in

467
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<v Speaker 3>a lot of directions of this talk. There's a lot

468
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<v Speaker 3>of content we can cover. So the question fundamentally is

469
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<v Speaker 3>what do you do because if somebody really wants to

470
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<v Speaker 3>kill you, there's no nothing to negotiate, or you can

471
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.119
<v Speaker 3>take half my life, just don't take it all. I mean,

472
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:46.680
<v Speaker 3>there's no there's nothing to compromise over. It's not that

473
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 3>the Palestinians today want a Palestinian state. Everybody talks about

474
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<v Speaker 3>a two state solution, but the Palestinians don't want a

475
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:57.519
<v Speaker 3>two state solution, and they've never wanted a two state solution.

476
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<v Speaker 3>They want a one state solution from the river to

477
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 3>the same, a one state solution with no Jews in it,

478
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.400
<v Speaker 3>or if they are Jews in it, it's a small

479
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.960
<v Speaker 3>minority and they are treated a second class citizen. As

480
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 3>the Qur'an dictates, what do you how do you negotiate,

481
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:18.359
<v Speaker 3>how do you come to terms? How do you establish

482
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:23.480
<v Speaker 3>peace with people who want to kill you, who want

483
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.240
<v Speaker 3>to kill you. This is their goal, this is their aim,

484
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:32.720
<v Speaker 3>and this is what their religion demands of them. And

485
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:35.839
<v Speaker 3>it's not just the Palestinians. We just we just heard

486
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<v Speaker 3>about a ceasefire with Risbelan. Husbella is A is a

487
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Lebanese entity. It's different than Rahmas because they are Shiites

488
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:51.799
<v Speaker 3>Ramas Assunis. They are directly linked to Iran. Gisbellah was

489
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:56.640
<v Speaker 3>established by Iran in the early nineteen eighties, and again

490
00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 3>this is part of an Iranian goal of domination. Chrisbella

491
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.559
<v Speaker 3>allied with Hamas because they have a common enemy, not

492
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<v Speaker 3>because they like each other or they share goals. Again,

493
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Studis and Chiites don't particularly like each other, but they

494
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.720
<v Speaker 3>know they both hate the enemy, which are the Jews

495
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 3>in the Middle East. Prisbela is in the same position.

496
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.359
<v Speaker 3>They will not be satisfied as long as there is

497
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.400
<v Speaker 3>a state of Israel. They will not be satisfied as

498
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:31.200
<v Speaker 3>long as you know there is an Israeli state. It's

499
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.880
<v Speaker 3>not that they are they want a smaller Israeli state,

500
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:36.359
<v Speaker 3>or they want a few pieces of the Galilee, and

501
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 3>then they'll be happy, and then they'll be peace for everybody.

502
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.319
<v Speaker 3>Chrisbela's goal is to dominate Lebanon and to establish the

503
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.759
<v Speaker 3>real law of Lebanon, which is hard for them because

504
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:48.559
<v Speaker 3>they are they have been historically a minority in Lebanon,

505
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 3>they haven't been a majority, so they're fighting a battle

506
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.400
<v Speaker 3>within Lebanon. And then they would like to see Israel

507
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:59.160
<v Speaker 3>wiped out as part of this again global ambition. How

508
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:03.279
<v Speaker 3>do you sit down with and negotiate terms when this

509
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 3>is their goal which they have not changed, and they

510
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:09.079
<v Speaker 3>have not modified and will not change and will not

511
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:12.119
<v Speaker 3>modify because this is part of the wild view, This

512
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:16.119
<v Speaker 3>is part of the philosophy. And then of course behind

513
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Hamas and Rizbla and behind almost all the terrorism in

514
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Speaker 3>the world today, sits the state of Iran, the State

515
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:29.039
<v Speaker 3>of Iran, which is a state created with this mission

516
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 3>in mind. It's in its constitution, it's in the very

517
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:39.639
<v Speaker 3>nature of the state. And remember Ion has, I mean,

518
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.119
<v Speaker 3>this is a I don't know many examples in history

519
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.679
<v Speaker 3>where you see this. Ion has a supreme leader, not

520
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 3>just a leader, the supreme one. So it is a dictatorship,

521
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:56.280
<v Speaker 3>it's an authoritarian state. It is a theocracy again dedicated

522
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.519
<v Speaker 3>to a particular goal. The spread of these ideas on

523
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 3>a global scale, as long as you want is there

524
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.760
<v Speaker 3>and has money, and has money because it has oil,

525
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.280
<v Speaker 3>it funds all these other elements in the Middle East

526
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 3>to keep promoting this ideology going. And not just in

527
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:15.320
<v Speaker 3>the Middle East. They found a lot in Europe. They

528
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.239
<v Speaker 3>fund all over the world. They're funding ideological allies in

529
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 3>order to spread these ideas. How do you establish peace

530
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.280
<v Speaker 3>with you on How do you establish peace with Isabella

531
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:33.800
<v Speaker 3>and Ramas? And the answer is you can't, not as

532
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:38.159
<v Speaker 3>long as they hold this ideology. That is, one cannot

533
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:41.639
<v Speaker 3>have peace with one's enemy. The enemy has to stop

534
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:46.079
<v Speaker 3>being the enemy for peace to exist. So the only

535
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.119
<v Speaker 3>way to have peace, what do we call it lasting

536
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:54.800
<v Speaker 3>peace in the Middle East, is to not have an

537
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:59.239
<v Speaker 3>enemy anymore. The Uranian people are not necessarily Israel's enemy.

538
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.159
<v Speaker 3>Some are, some are not. I would even argue that

539
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.320
<v Speaker 3>are the right circumstances. The Palestinian people as a whole

540
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:11.039
<v Speaker 3>are not necessarily Israel's enemy. They are right now, but

541
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.719
<v Speaker 3>that's not necessity. There's nothing in the genes or the

542
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:20.239
<v Speaker 3>blood or the ethnic group that necessitates hostility. They are

543
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:24.320
<v Speaker 3>individuals just like anybody else. But right now they're individuals

544
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 3>guided by destructive, horrific, evil ideology, so that ideology has

545
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 3>to be defeated. But then there's a question, how do

546
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 3>you defeat an ideology? How do you change people's minds

547
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:43.360
<v Speaker 3>about ideas? How do you get them to reject they

548
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 3>all ideology and embrace something new, because what they need

549
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:50.559
<v Speaker 3>is something new. If the Palestinians were more like the Israelis,

550
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.800
<v Speaker 3>if they recognized the value of the individual, if they

551
00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 3>upheld secular government and secular society, if they wanted prosperity

552
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 3>and they were willing to recognize the value of markets,

553
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:07.119
<v Speaker 3>peace would be relatively easy. How do you get them

554
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.280
<v Speaker 3>to change when they are stuck on an evil ideology

555
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.519
<v Speaker 3>that is destructive and is the opposite of all these things.

556
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I know a lot of people who write

557
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:25.079
<v Speaker 3>and argue constantly they can't do It's impossible. You can't

558
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.960
<v Speaker 3>win an ideology, you can't beat an ideology out of people,

559
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 3>and yet it turns out you can. It's happened before.

560
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:41.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you mentioned going to the German border. I

561
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:43.559
<v Speaker 3>don't know when this was. I assume in the nineteen

562
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.800
<v Speaker 3>you were six, so in the nineteen sixties, and there

563
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:53.159
<v Speaker 3>was still some hate and fear and anger towards Germany,

564
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 3>but Germany already by then was a completely different place.

565
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, for all intentsive purpose, there will no Nazis

566
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:06.079
<v Speaker 3>and many anymore. The Nazis had been defeated, not just militarily,

567
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.519
<v Speaker 3>but the Nazis have been defeated ideologically. The ideology of

568
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Nazism was gone. Now we can talk about whether it

569
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:19.679
<v Speaker 3>might come back, but it was gone. How did that happen?

570
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 3>How did the German people just give up an ideology

571
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.760
<v Speaker 3>that they were willing to die for. I mean, many, many,

572
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:33.159
<v Speaker 3>many Germans died fighting for Nazism, and and you know,

573
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 3>people could tell you stories about it's only a small

574
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:40.400
<v Speaker 3>minority of Germans were really Nazis. I called bullshit. It's

575
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.400
<v Speaker 3>just not true. I mean, it's a small number of

576
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 3>the population that joined the Nazi Party. But the Nazi

577
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 3>Party could not have done what it had done without

578
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 3>massive support from an overwhelming majority of the German population,

579
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:56.360
<v Speaker 3>whether they were members of the Nazi Party or not.

580
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.760
<v Speaker 3>They you know, think of all the soldiers that pulled

581
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 3>those triggers. What about Japan World War two? Again more

582
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 3>common history. Right. World War two, Japan was dominated by

583
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:20.320
<v Speaker 3>a collectivistic, you know, an ethnic driven ideology that basically

584
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.199
<v Speaker 3>said the Japanese was superior to everybody else in the world.

585
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.159
<v Speaker 3>They were driven by the idea that Japan was the

586
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 3>most important, valuable place on planet Earth, and they would

587
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:33.639
<v Speaker 3>dominate the rest of the world. They would dominate China,

588
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:38.400
<v Speaker 3>they would dominate Asia. Asia was theirs, Europe was the Germans,

589
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:41.000
<v Speaker 3>and they had divided up the war between the two

590
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:46.079
<v Speaker 3>master racers, if you will. And they really believed in this.

591
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean, remember the number of Kamikazi pilots who were

592
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 3>willing to fly their airplanes and kill themselves in the

593
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:56.559
<v Speaker 3>name of the emperor, in the name of an ideology.

594
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Suicide bombing was not invented by Islam. Japanese were doing

595
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:06.000
<v Speaker 3>it and they were I mean, it seemed that they

596
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.920
<v Speaker 3>did it with a with a passion and a focus.

597
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.360
<v Speaker 3>It seemed brainwashed. How do you get that out of them?

598
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:18.119
<v Speaker 3>How do you change it? And yet Japan today is

599
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:22.320
<v Speaker 3>an amazing place. People there incredibly friendly, very much more

600
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.920
<v Speaker 3>individualistic than a lot of other places around the world.

601
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<v Speaker 3>You know, nobody's flying it planes at the building in

602
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 3>the name of Japan. The emperor is there, but it's

603
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:33.800
<v Speaker 3>symbolic and kind of cute. And everybody goes toe that

604
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.119
<v Speaker 3>sees the palace to see the beautiful gardens and the

605
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 3>beautiful buildings. But nobody takes the amput too seriously. In Japan,

606
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.360
<v Speaker 3>nobody's dying for the emperor. The idea of Japanese imperialism

607
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:49.960
<v Speaker 3>was defeated. The idea of Japanese you know, superiority was defeated.

608
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<v Speaker 3>How by being defeated, the two things happened. And you

609
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.920
<v Speaker 3>need to do two things to defeat an ideology. One

610
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:04.880
<v Speaker 3>you need to defeat it in the field of action.

611
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.400
<v Speaker 3>You need to defeat it. Militarily, you need to crush it,

612
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.559
<v Speaker 3>so there's no doubt about next time we'll do better.

613
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.320
<v Speaker 3>One of the reasons we had a World War two

614
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:19.480
<v Speaker 3>is because the Germans were not crushed in World War One.

615
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.719
<v Speaker 3>So Hitler and others who returned from the battlefields of

616
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.320
<v Speaker 3>World War One went back to Germany and said, we

617
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 3>could have won this, We will win this. You know,

618
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 3>we weren't defeated. Our political leaders betrayed us, our generals

619
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:37.639
<v Speaker 3>maybe betrayed us, but we could have won this, and

620
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:41.280
<v Speaker 3>we should have won this, and the ideology only got

621
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:45.159
<v Speaker 3>stronger of German nationalism not weaker because they were not defeated.

622
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.159
<v Speaker 3>They might have been humiliated, but not defeated. They weren't

623
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.679
<v Speaker 3>what to their knees. They didn't get the message that

624
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:57.079
<v Speaker 3>they had no chance of winning. After World War Two,

625
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 3>the Germans got the message. And by the way, part

626
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<v Speaker 3>of the reason, and I know this is controversial today

627
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.119
<v Speaker 3>in Europe and the US everywhere, one of the reasons

628
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Dresden was flattened was to make sure they got the message.

629
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<v Speaker 3>It was explicitly Churchill's goal to break the German spirit completely.

630
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<v Speaker 3>And if you've seen pictures of what Germany looked like

631
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:29.079
<v Speaker 3>at the end of World War Two, it was just destroyed,

632
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:35.880
<v Speaker 3>its flattened. Almost every German city was flattened. And as

633
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 3>a consequence of that, the Germans got it, we can't win.

634
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.679
<v Speaker 3>Something we did was wrong, something about what we the

635
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:47.159
<v Speaker 3>ideology we had was bad. Maybe we don't get it exactly,

636
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:51.039
<v Speaker 3>but we know this is not workable. We just die

637
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:56.639
<v Speaker 3>if we follow this. And a second thing is that

638
00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:04.079
<v Speaker 3>in those days, the Allied forces had a sudden pride

639
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:09.079
<v Speaker 3>and a sudden you know, confidence in the ideology they represented.

640
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 3>So we're not just defeating you in the name of

641
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.920
<v Speaker 3>defeating We're defeating you in the name of you know,

642
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:20.840
<v Speaker 3>maybe they don't call it. They nobody called the capitalism

643
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.719
<v Speaker 3>or or or freedom. But they talked about freedom. They

644
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 3>talked about democracy, They talked about the idea of individual sovereignty.

645
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.880
<v Speaker 3>They talked about the negatives of what the Nazi ideology held.

646
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:34.719
<v Speaker 3>They attacked the Nazi ideology as evil. There was no

647
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:39.199
<v Speaker 3>qualms about calling it evil. Nobody nobody said, well, there's

648
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:41.679
<v Speaker 3>some good things about Nazis. Yeah, we don't want to

649
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:44.559
<v Speaker 3>paint too big of a brush. No, Nazism was evil.

650
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:47.280
<v Speaker 3>It was done with, it was finished. That'stmen of history

651
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:53.360
<v Speaker 3>nobody was interested in. So the West defeated the militarily,

652
00:43:54.159 --> 00:44:01.920
<v Speaker 3>crushed them, and challenged them intellectually, that is, philosophically, intellectually,

653
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:04.719
<v Speaker 3>basically called them what they were, which is an evil

654
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:08.119
<v Speaker 3>ideology that the West would have nothing to do with.

655
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:15.480
<v Speaker 3>And that combination works in Japan. The same combination worked

656
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.760
<v Speaker 3>every city in Japan. Every major city in Japan was firebombed.

657
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 3>That is, it went up and spoke, we'll get to questions,

658
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:28.440
<v Speaker 3>and they were all firebombed. Hundreds of thousands of people

659
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:32.679
<v Speaker 3>died way before he was Shuminnigasaki. A million people were

660
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:35.480
<v Speaker 3>homeless in Tokyo by the end of the war, a

661
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:40.440
<v Speaker 3>million people. And then of course he was Shumenagasaki. Put

662
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.239
<v Speaker 3>an end to the war. But they put an end

663
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:46.480
<v Speaker 3>to the idea that the Japanese was special. It put

664
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.239
<v Speaker 3>an end to the idea that the Japanese could conquer

665
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:54.280
<v Speaker 3>the world. It definitively said, no, you failed. Whatever ideology

666
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:58.519
<v Speaker 3>you had, it was rotten. Then you failed. These guys stronger,

667
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:03.119
<v Speaker 3>more powerful, most success full than you are. But that

668
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.719
<v Speaker 3>wasn't all. Then the United States came in and said,

669
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.800
<v Speaker 3>and here are some ideas by which you can build

670
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:13.559
<v Speaker 3>a better society. That is all wrong. Here's something better.

671
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:15.760
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I don't know if you know this,

672
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:19.639
<v Speaker 3>but Japan's constitution that they have today was written over

673
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:23.599
<v Speaker 3>a weekend. But General MacArthur and his aid he sat

674
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:26.760
<v Speaker 3>down the road to constitution. They copied a lot of

675
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.679
<v Speaker 3>it from the American Constitution. The actually phrases that they

676
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.559
<v Speaker 3>just copied straight from the Declaration of Independence. The American

677
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Declaration of Dependence is in the Japanese constitution. The idea,

678
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.480
<v Speaker 3>for example, that we all have an aliable right to life,

679
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:41.079
<v Speaker 3>live within the pursuit of happiness is not in the

680
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:44.079
<v Speaker 3>American constitution as in declaration, but it is in a

681
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.639
<v Speaker 3>Japanese constitution. And then they basically went to the Emperor

682
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 3>of Japan and said, this is your new constitution. Sign

683
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:56.320
<v Speaker 3>here and ask him, in a sense, this is how

684
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.599
<v Speaker 3>you are going to live. You've not you don't have

685
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.360
<v Speaker 3>the right to choose your own path moving forward. What

686
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:05.079
<v Speaker 3>you did is so horrific that you don't get to choose.

687
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.639
<v Speaker 3>We're going to choose for you. And here's an alternative.

688
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.599
<v Speaker 3>It's an alternative that has led your pant to thrive,

689
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:17.039
<v Speaker 3>to do very well. It's very much change, it's ideas.

690
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:23.400
<v Speaker 3>So that's a combination defeat on the battlefield, bet a

691
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:29.840
<v Speaker 3>crushing defeats on the battlefield, and then an alternative, fighting

692
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:33.840
<v Speaker 3>the people with an alternative. Now, the first part of this,

693
00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 3>a question defeated on the battlefield is not pretty, it's

694
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.960
<v Speaker 3>not nice. It's not something we want to watch on

695
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:47.840
<v Speaker 3>television being done. You know, maybe we should be thankful

696
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 3>there was no television or not significant television during World

697
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:54.119
<v Speaker 3>War Two, because maybe we wouldn't have tolerated what actually

698
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:58.039
<v Speaker 3>happened during the war, even towards the Nazis. But the

699
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 3>fact is today anything you do is on television. But

700
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 3>the reality is that in order to have lasting peas,

701
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:10.559
<v Speaker 3>the Palestinians have to change their ideology. Iran is going

702
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:14.280
<v Speaker 3>to have to change its ideology. And the only way

703
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:20.639
<v Speaker 3>that can happen is first if they're crushed on the battlefield.

704
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:26.280
<v Speaker 3>Israel's done a little bit of crushing, but it's far

705
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:29.719
<v Speaker 3>from what could have done and should have done. It's

706
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:35.559
<v Speaker 3>taken way too long. It's appease that every turn. And

707
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:39.199
<v Speaker 3>can you imagine bombing Dressden into oblivion and supplying it

708
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:42.400
<v Speaker 3>at the same time with water, electricity, internet connection and food.

709
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:46.400
<v Speaker 3>But that's what Israel's doing. Is Oh, by the way,

710
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.840
<v Speaker 3>supplies them with water and supplies them with electricity, and

711
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:51.719
<v Speaker 3>they have internet connection, and they have cell phone connection

712
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.719
<v Speaker 3>because of Israel, and yet they're bombing them at the

713
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:59.920
<v Speaker 3>same time. It's sanity in my view. People you bomb,

714
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:03.280
<v Speaker 3>you should not be feeding. If you want to feed them,

715
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:07.639
<v Speaker 3>don't bomb them. But if you're bombing them, don't feed them.

716
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:11.119
<v Speaker 3>Otherwise you're sending a complete mixed message and a message

717
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:17.639
<v Speaker 3>and weakness. Since the win, Israel needed to truly crush

718
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.559
<v Speaker 3>the Palestinian people in the war here and here again

719
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.119
<v Speaker 3>more controversial than most the war. He is not against Hamas.

720
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:32.400
<v Speaker 3>Hamas is the particular. It's a political leadership of the

721
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:36.239
<v Speaker 3>Palestinian people. This is who the Palestinian people want. Every

722
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:40.199
<v Speaker 3>pole shows they support Hamas. They voted for them in

723
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 3>the last Palestinian election happened in two thousand and five,

724
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.280
<v Speaker 3>a long time ago. Green they want a majority. This

725
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:49.039
<v Speaker 3>is the government of the Palaestinian people. It's not just

726
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 3>some external group that came in and took over. This

727
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:56.920
<v Speaker 3>is who they are. Palestinian need to be brought to

728
00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.360
<v Speaker 3>their knees in otherwise they need to understand that they

729
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 3>can never Israel militarily, that through whatever ideology they have

730
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:06.880
<v Speaker 3>today is not an ideology for victory. The Slam the

731
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:12.840
<v Speaker 3>slum ist ideology is one of defeat. And then they

732
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.920
<v Speaker 3>need to be offered an alternative. And here you come

733
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:19.719
<v Speaker 3>up against multiculturalism. The West has to be able to

734
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:25.079
<v Speaker 3>say your way is bad, it's evil, it's wrong. Islamism,

735
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:27.920
<v Speaker 3>this interpretation of Islam, we're not expecting his Slim I'm

736
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:30.159
<v Speaker 3>gonna tell you what Islam means. It doesn't mean this

737
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:34.000
<v Speaker 3>version of Islam. World dominations show real law. Treating women

738
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:35.920
<v Speaker 3>the way you treat women, treating gaze, the way you

739
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.360
<v Speaker 3>treat gays. This is unacceptable in the civilized world. This

740
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:43.039
<v Speaker 3>ideology is evil. It's like the Nazis. It's psych Japanese imperialism.

741
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:47.159
<v Speaker 3>It needs to disappear from the planet. Need to say that.

742
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.519
<v Speaker 3>I can't say that anymore. Too politically correct. Is no

743
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:55.800
<v Speaker 3>good and evil talking those terms good ideology, bad ideology

744
00:49:56.000 --> 00:50:01.480
<v Speaker 3>by what standard. But it's a combination of those two

745
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:08.079
<v Speaker 3>things that have to happen. That is what leads to

746
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:10.639
<v Speaker 3>long term peace. And there's no reason they cannot be

747
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:14.559
<v Speaker 3>long term peace in the Middle East. There's no reason

748
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:20.519
<v Speaker 3>why the religion of Islam cannot be called it moderated, reformed, enlightened,

749
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.719
<v Speaker 3>just like Christianity was. This was a Christianity, pretty barbaric religion.

750
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Three four, five, six hundred years ago. In the Thirty

751
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:32.840
<v Speaker 3>Year War, thirty Year War which was not far from

752
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:37.880
<v Speaker 3>here and participated, you know, Netherlands was part of it.

753
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:41.880
<v Speaker 3>A third of the German population was killed by Germans.

754
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:46.719
<v Speaker 3>Why because one side was Catholic, because one side was Protestant,

755
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:48.960
<v Speaker 3>and they hated each other. They killed their own people,

756
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:52.760
<v Speaker 3>their own families, a third of the entire population maybe

757
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:57.440
<v Speaker 3>per capita. The bloodiest war in human history all over religion.

758
00:50:57.639 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 3>So it's not like there's a religion of peace someway.

759
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 3>There is no such thing as a religion of peace.

760
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.199
<v Speaker 3>Just read the Old Testament if you're not convinced of that.

761
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Right.

762
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:11.960
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not gonna tell the Muslims they can't. They

763
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.079
<v Speaker 3>can't happen to them. What's happened to Christianity, which is

764
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:22.960
<v Speaker 3>passive pacification, but the militant form it takes today is unacceptable,

765
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:26.320
<v Speaker 3>will not be accepted, and the West has to defeat it,

766
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:29.880
<v Speaker 3>to crush it, to eliminate it. If we're gonna have peace,

767
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:35.239
<v Speaker 3>once that's done, and once we offer an alternative, not

768
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:38.280
<v Speaker 3>offering alternative interms of negotiation, but often an alternative, because

769
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:41.960
<v Speaker 3>this is the alternative you're gonna have. That is the

770
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:45.559
<v Speaker 3>way you achieve peace. Peace comes as as the quote

771
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.400
<v Speaker 3>from mine rand Uh emphasize, Peace comes when we start

772
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:53.199
<v Speaker 3>treating each other as individuals, not as members of tribes.

773
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:57.800
<v Speaker 3>Peace comes when we start treating each other as traders.

774
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Well we can gain from one another through trade. Peace

775
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:09.000
<v Speaker 3>comes when all parties acknowledge the value of individual human

776
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:15.280
<v Speaker 3>life and acknowledge the fact that individuals have rights, that

777
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:18.599
<v Speaker 3>an individuals should be free. As long as we don't

778
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:22.400
<v Speaker 3>have that, it's almost impossible. It is impossible to achieve peace.

779
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:26.039
<v Speaker 3>We can negotiate temporary cease fires. We got one right

780
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:28.960
<v Speaker 3>now in Lebanon, you know, by Israel maybe ten years.

781
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:33.199
<v Speaker 3>It's not insignificant because Israel's devastated Grisbella as much as

782
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:36.599
<v Speaker 3>it has. But it won't go away. The problem hasn't

783
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:41.159
<v Speaker 3>been solved. It's just kicking the can further down the road.

784
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.039
<v Speaker 3>As we're very good in the West the doing in

785
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:46.119
<v Speaker 3>almost every realm of our lives. God forbid, we deal

786
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:49.039
<v Speaker 3>with reality and actually deal with the problems that we face.

787
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 3>We just pretend it doesn't exist and kick them down

788
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:55.119
<v Speaker 3>the road. Same thing will happen in Gaza. I expect

789
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:59.800
<v Speaker 3>some deal will happen where the Pastinians are not defeated,

790
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.800
<v Speaker 3>and therefore it's just a matter of how do they reform,

791
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:08.800
<v Speaker 3>how do they reorm how do they initiate war again

792
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:13.760
<v Speaker 3>in the future. So I'm not very optimistic about achieving

793
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.880
<v Speaker 3>lasting peace in the midd least because I think we

794
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:20.239
<v Speaker 3>in the West are way too weak we don't have

795
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:24.920
<v Speaker 3>the backbone that we had seventy years ago. We don't

796
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.960
<v Speaker 3>have the confidence that our system is actually of value

797
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:32.159
<v Speaker 3>and will actually lead to lasting peace. Because that's what

798
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.719
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna take. It's gonna take the West is what

799
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.440
<v Speaker 3>representing the West in the Middle East, But it's going

800
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:42.119
<v Speaker 3>to take the West to recommit to its own ideas,

801
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:46.920
<v Speaker 3>recommit to the value its own ideas, and recommit to

802
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:54.960
<v Speaker 3>fighting evil ideologies to threaten and defeating them and then

803
00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:00.719
<v Speaker 3>advocating for the good in the same time. You know,

804
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:03.599
<v Speaker 3>I think immand is an important tool, if you will,

805
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 3>maybe the most important think of the twentieth century that

806
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:11.079
<v Speaker 3>can reignite that sense of value that we see in

807
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:13.920
<v Speaker 3>our own culture and our own civilizations, in our own

808
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.559
<v Speaker 3>value and give us the kind of backbone, give us

809
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:20.679
<v Speaker 3>them all certainty to go out and fight the fight,

810
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.119
<v Speaker 3>and it needs to be fought because it's not over

811
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:28.079
<v Speaker 3>and it's only going to expand as if Israel doesn't

812
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:28.559
<v Speaker 3>win it all.

813
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:44.360
<v Speaker 4>Thank you, all right, We'll take questions, Yeah, what.

814
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 5>Do you actually see happening in the coming years maybe decades?

815
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:53.280
<v Speaker 3>So what I see happening in the coming years and decades? Look,

816
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.119
<v Speaker 3>I think what Israel has done to both Hamas and

817
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:02.159
<v Speaker 3>Chris Bala is a lot. They've degraded their ability to

818
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:07.880
<v Speaker 3>wage war against Israel's significant Risbelin and Ramas are really

819
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:11.119
<v Speaker 3>no longer, at least for the next few years, a

820
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:14.480
<v Speaker 3>threat to Israel. Yes, they might still commit terrorist attack

821
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 3>you in there, but they can do anything on the

822
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:19.239
<v Speaker 3>scale of October seventh. They can't do anything on the

823
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:21.360
<v Speaker 3>scale of what they did before October seventh. People forget

824
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 3>before walked over seventh. Every few days missiles would be

825
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.280
<v Speaker 3>launched on Israel, and luckily Israel knew how to play defense.

826
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:29.119
<v Speaker 3>They could knock the missiles out of the air. So

827
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:31.400
<v Speaker 3>now a lot of people died, But the intention was

828
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:33.440
<v Speaker 3>to kill a lot of people almost on a daily basis.

829
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<v Speaker 3>That won't happen. The missiles are gone, the ability to

830
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:40.519
<v Speaker 3>protect those missiles are gone, so it's always likely to

831
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:45.119
<v Speaker 3>face the situation where the threat level has decreased significantly.

832
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:48.320
<v Speaker 3>I would also say Iran has been shown to be

833
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 3>a paper tiger. For most of us, that was not surprising.

834
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.360
<v Speaker 3>Iran has always been weak. But for a lot of

835
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:57.599
<v Speaker 3>people who are surprising, and maybe for the Uranian itself.

836
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.079
<v Speaker 3>The Uranians themselves. They discovered how weak they are they

837
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.760
<v Speaker 3>really are. They thought they had these amazing Russian weapons systems,

838
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:06.480
<v Speaker 3>and it turns out that those amazing Russian weapon systems

839
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.719
<v Speaker 3>can be destroyed very, very easily by a modern, technologically

840
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:14.239
<v Speaker 3>advanced army. Maybe we could learn something about other conflicts

841
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 3>from that. So I think Iran is weakened significantly. So

842
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.840
<v Speaker 3>I think you're buying. You probably brought a decade of

843
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.639
<v Speaker 3>relatively quiet and then the real question is what happens

844
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:29.679
<v Speaker 3>to Iran. I think Iran is the key player in

845
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:34.760
<v Speaker 3>the Middle East. You could I can imagine an optimistic scenario, right.

846
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:40.840
<v Speaker 3>The optimistic scenario is over the next few years, local

847
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:46.920
<v Speaker 3>hostility to the regime in Iran increases, and ultimately there's

848
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:49.559
<v Speaker 3>a revolution in Iran and they kick out the Mulas

849
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:55.760
<v Speaker 3>and they establish a pro Western, Western friendly regime in Tehran,

850
00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:59.719
<v Speaker 3>and then the whole Midlease changes and Israel has a

851
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:04.480
<v Speaker 3>shot because then you know, the financial resources don't go

852
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:08.320
<v Speaker 3>to Hamas and Krisbala and those organizations finished. And maybe

853
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:11.639
<v Speaker 3>then the Palestinians wake up and say, we're on our own.

854
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Speaker 3>We better cut a deal, right, we ret to do something,

855
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.239
<v Speaker 3>We better change in some fundamental way, so defeat could

856
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:20.679
<v Speaker 3>come from the Iranian people. And in a sense, that's

857
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:24.760
<v Speaker 3>the most bloodless way in which the whole some of

858
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:28.239
<v Speaker 3>the issues get resolved. Is the Iranian people rebel against

859
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:33.599
<v Speaker 3>the Islamist regime and establish a decent country, then I

860
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:35.360
<v Speaker 3>think you get you could get real change in the

861
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Middle East. So that's you know, that's what I think

862
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:43.159
<v Speaker 3>is going to happen. You know, Lebanon is a powder keg.

863
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.199
<v Speaker 3>It's it's hard to exactly say what's going to happen

864
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:49.239
<v Speaker 3>there with his ballah, partially because of the eternal politics

865
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:53.360
<v Speaker 3>within Lebanon, but the Lebanese were very happy to see

866
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:56.760
<v Speaker 3>Israel completely degrade his balla and destroy his ballah because

867
00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 3>that was their only hope of reasserting control over the country.

868
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.679
<v Speaker 3>The Schietes again not a majority, and there used to

869
00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:07.280
<v Speaker 3>be a small minority, the bigger minority today, but nobody

870
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.239
<v Speaker 3>else had the will or the military resources to take

871
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.920
<v Speaker 3>them on. Now that they've been degraded, you might see

872
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:18.039
<v Speaker 3>a renewed civil war in Lebanon where they attempt to

873
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:20.480
<v Speaker 3>try to cross as well. I finished the job so

874
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.400
<v Speaker 3>that they can go back to normal. I mean, remember

875
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:26.119
<v Speaker 3>Lebanon has not been a normal country since the early

876
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:30.079
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventies, right, it's been in a civil war or

877
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.480
<v Speaker 3>in some kind of mayhem since the early nineteen seventies

878
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:36.960
<v Speaker 3>before that, But you know what, what what Lebanon was

879
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:45.400
<v Speaker 3>called Switzerland of the Middle East, and yeah big Woot

880
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:48.480
<v Speaker 3>was called the Monaco. It was a it's a beautiful,

881
00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:53.519
<v Speaker 3>beautiful city. Lebanon is a beautiful, beautiful country. And it

882
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:58.239
<v Speaker 3>used to be you know, almost fifty percent Christian, and

883
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 3>the Christians have all left. Now today it's it's it's

884
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:05.199
<v Speaker 3>somewhere between twenty to thirty percent Christian, if that, because

885
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:09.000
<v Speaker 3>they've all they've all left, the Christian Arabs, and and

886
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:13.440
<v Speaker 3>because because of the civil war, because how horrible Lebanon became,

887
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:17.440
<v Speaker 3>and they they had options. So who knows exactly how

888
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:20.159
<v Speaker 3>Lebanon plays out, But again I think physimal eyes, a

889
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:24.880
<v Speaker 3>military force threatening Israel for the most part is gone.

890
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:27.760
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't mean they can't rebuild, but but for a

891
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:31.719
<v Speaker 3>decade it's gone.

892
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you run this, Dee, the other conflicts, the

893
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:37.760
<v Speaker 2>sixth Day Seven Day War.

894
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:40.840
<v Speaker 3>The only was before that.

895
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 1>I told this too power before.

896
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:48.360
<v Speaker 3>And throughout the students as well, it's finally as well

897
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:53.800
<v Speaker 3>on the campus is that if we run, there will

898
00:59:53.840 --> 01:00:00.280
<v Speaker 3>be another power in all these so and he it

899
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:03.119
<v Speaker 3>goes back to the comment before about Saudi Arabia. It

900
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:06.320
<v Speaker 3>really is a question about what is going to happen

901
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.280
<v Speaker 3>with Saudi Arabia. There is no other power in the

902
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:12.079
<v Speaker 3>Biterrainian It is Egypt. Egypt is armed to the teeth

903
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:15.039
<v Speaker 3>right now. It's got a massive military, it's got very

904
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:18.199
<v Speaker 3>advanced weapons systems. The only good thing you could say

905
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.480
<v Speaker 3>about Egypt right now is it's all to military is

906
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:23.679
<v Speaker 3>basically American weapons systems. So they couldn't launch a war

907
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:27.599
<v Speaker 3>against Israel without American support because they would have no

908
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:30.360
<v Speaker 3>spare parts, they would have no ammunition, they couldn't fight

909
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:34.039
<v Speaker 3>the war. They're completely armed by the United States. The

910
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:35.519
<v Speaker 3>same as true, by the way, as the Saudis. The

911
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:39.280
<v Speaker 3>Saudis have weapons systems, all American weapon systems. But really

912
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:42.280
<v Speaker 3>here the question is what is the goal of the

913
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.320
<v Speaker 3>Saudi regime? What does the Saudis actually want? And I,

914
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:49.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, the reality is I don't know, right MBS,

915
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:53.320
<v Speaker 3>who is a crown prince of Saudi Arabia, who will

916
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:55.360
<v Speaker 3>be the king of Saudi Arabia. When the current king

917
01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:00.000
<v Speaker 3>dies is a young man who claims to be Western,

918
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:04.000
<v Speaker 3>claims to wants to being Western values to Saudi Arabia.

919
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:07.159
<v Speaker 3>He's still gonna stay king. It's not exactly consistent with

920
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Western values, I would argue, and he's still pretty brutal

921
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:16.119
<v Speaker 3>in some respects. But there is definitely a loosening up

922
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:19.559
<v Speaker 3>and and a kind of westernization of certain aspects of

923
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:25.079
<v Speaker 3>Saudi life. Uh. Although you know, we met a I

924
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:28.480
<v Speaker 3>met a Saudi girl yes, yesterday, two days ago, two

925
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:32.559
<v Speaker 3>days ago in dis Soldo from Germany, and she was like,

926
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:35.840
<v Speaker 3>she just got out of Saudi Arabia and she's like,

927
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:38.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm never going back. It's a horrible place now again,

928
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:41.239
<v Speaker 3>particularly for a woman, It's just a horrible place to

929
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:44.920
<v Speaker 3>live and to be. So how serious he is? And

930
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.400
<v Speaker 3>then the question also is, let's say he is serious,

931
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:51.599
<v Speaker 3>will he live? Right? So that was serious and so

932
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.559
<v Speaker 3>that was killed very quickly after signing a peace deal

933
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:59.400
<v Speaker 3>with Israel. So will MBS survive? What are the other

934
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.519
<v Speaker 3>forces were in the Middle East? Now Here again is

935
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:07.639
<v Speaker 3>this point. If Israel defeats the Islamists locally, others will

936
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:10.519
<v Speaker 3>pay attention and they say we don't want that, and

937
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:14.519
<v Speaker 3>they'll have to change their minds. People don't like supporting

938
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:20.280
<v Speaker 3>a losing ideology. Remember when they were terrorist attacks regularly

939
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:23.880
<v Speaker 3>in Europe ten years ago, nine, ten years ago, it

940
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:27.960
<v Speaker 3>was just regular, you know, cause being driven through crowds,

941
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:32.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, subways attacked and it was regular. And where

942
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:37.119
<v Speaker 3>was this happening? Was happening when ISIS was successful. ISAs

943
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:40.079
<v Speaker 3>had conquered ground, they had taken over parts of Syria,

944
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:42.280
<v Speaker 3>taken over parts of Iraq, and they were establishing the

945
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.679
<v Speaker 3>Collie Funds. And when you're successful like that, a lot

946
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:51.039
<v Speaker 3>of people are willing to die for your cause. But

947
01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:54.639
<v Speaker 3>when ISIS basically was for the most part destroyed, hasn't

948
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:56.960
<v Speaker 3>been completely destroyed, but for the most part destroyed, had

949
01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:00.559
<v Speaker 3>to give back the land disappeared as an is firing

950
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:05.800
<v Speaker 3>force of victory. Terrorism declined dramatically. Now it's not gone away,

951
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:09.480
<v Speaker 3>and you can see the crowds all over Europe of

952
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:12.360
<v Speaker 3>Islamists who have not gone away, but they willing us

953
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:15.840
<v Speaker 3>to die for the cause has gone down dramatically because

954
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:19.719
<v Speaker 3>the cause doesn't look like exciting anymore, you know, Brits

955
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:22.159
<v Speaker 3>and I don't know if you guys had this phenomena here,

956
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:24.719
<v Speaker 3>but people all over Europe were volunteering to go and

957
01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:27.159
<v Speaker 3>fight with Isis. They were converting to Islam and moving

958
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:30.480
<v Speaker 3>over there because it was an exciting ideology. Well, if

959
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:34.320
<v Speaker 3>you defeat it, it's not exciting anymore. So a lot

960
01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:37.039
<v Speaker 3>of it depends on how the Saudist and the common

961
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.599
<v Speaker 3>people interpret what Israel does. And again to the extent

962
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:43.960
<v Speaker 3>that Israel doesn't crush its enemy, and it hasn't completely

963
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:47.280
<v Speaker 3>to that extent, they always think, oh, this hope, next

964
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:49.159
<v Speaker 3>time we'll do it better. Next time, we'll beat them,

965
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:51.679
<v Speaker 3>next time, we'll get them. So if Uran goes away,

966
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:55.559
<v Speaker 3>there's the possibility that Saudi Arabia takes its place or

967
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:00.360
<v Speaker 3>another country takes its place. But again, it buys time.

968
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Right right now, Iran is at the forefront of all

969
01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:11.280
<v Speaker 3>the terrorism really globally in terms of Islamic terrorism, and

970
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:13.679
<v Speaker 3>if that's out of the picture, it'll take them a

971
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:20.360
<v Speaker 3>long time to reorganize around another state sponsor again. And

972
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:23.679
<v Speaker 3>as you defeat them off an alternative, you're just buying time.

973
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:27.280
<v Speaker 3>You're not doing more than that. Yeah, what do you mean.

974
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.960
<v Speaker 5>When you mentioned the term Islamism, Because you distinguer step

975
01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:33.920
<v Speaker 5>from Islam as a religion, and it's say now it's

976
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:36.639
<v Speaker 5>more like things like this Shintoism and the Nabskin.

977
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:42.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean Islamism is a I mean we called

978
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.480
<v Speaker 3>after nine eleven when kind of these ideas I think

979
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:50.599
<v Speaker 3>really bubbled to the surface and became evidence in the West.

980
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:54.679
<v Speaker 3>You know, I I think somebody at Dynamitis should coined

981
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:59.320
<v Speaker 3>the term Islamic totalitarianism. So it's not just any Muslims.

982
01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:02.559
<v Speaker 3>There's a Muslim who you want to use their religion

983
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:09.119
<v Speaker 3>to justify tautalitarian control over society. They want every aspect

984
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:13.599
<v Speaker 3>of society driven by Islamic law, by Sharia law. Everything

985
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:18.400
<v Speaker 3>has to be dictated through them. And again, all religions

986
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:21.800
<v Speaker 3>have gone through phases where they believed in that we

987
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:26.360
<v Speaker 3>will establish a theocracy where everybody has to do you

988
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:30.599
<v Speaker 3>know what the specific Holy tech says you should do.

989
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:38.519
<v Speaker 3>But you know, you can imagine other forms of Islam

990
01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:42.079
<v Speaker 3>where just like Christianity, the idea is there's a separation

991
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:46.480
<v Speaker 3>between state and religion, and Islam is something you practice

992
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:49.840
<v Speaker 3>in your home, practice in the mosque, but it doesn't

993
01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:53.239
<v Speaker 3>affect public life, it doesn't affect the way the state

994
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:57.639
<v Speaker 3>is run, it doesn't affect governance. People are treated as individuals,

995
01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:02.119
<v Speaker 3>and you treat people of other religions as equal in

996
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:04.880
<v Speaker 3>terms of the human the fact that the human beings.

997
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Sharia law does not allow for that. There the Quran

998
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:10.360
<v Speaker 3>does not allow for that. But but really neither does

999
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:14.360
<v Speaker 3>neither does Catholic Catholic doctrine. If you go back long

1000
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:20.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, fallow enough, right, I mean, when when when

1001
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:24.440
<v Speaker 3>the Catholics dominated start to dominate the Roman Empire, when

1002
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:26.960
<v Speaker 3>they became the official religion of the Roman Empire, there

1003
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:30.480
<v Speaker 3>were significant voices within the Catholic Church saying, we need

1004
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:32.920
<v Speaker 3>to kill all the Jews. The Jews are in the front.

1005
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:36.639
<v Speaker 3>They did you know, they sow Christ He was right

1006
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:38.960
<v Speaker 3>there and they turned the back on them. Therefore they

1007
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:42.519
<v Speaker 3>are evil and we was wiped them up. And Augustine,

1008
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:45.079
<v Speaker 3>since Augustine comes forward and says, no, no, no, we

1009
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:49.199
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't kill all the Jews. We need to keep them alive.

1010
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:52.239
<v Speaker 3>We need to keep them alive so that we see

1011
01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:56.440
<v Speaker 3>their suffering, we see their pathetic lives, and it reminds

1012
01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:58.559
<v Speaker 3>us of what happens when we turn our backs to Christ.

1013
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:05.760
<v Speaker 3>And you know, the origins of anti Semitism are all over,

1014
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:12.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, the early Catholic Church. Now Catholicism has evolved

1015
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:14.800
<v Speaker 3>since then, right rejected a lot of those doctrines, particularly

1016
01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:17.519
<v Speaker 3>in the last fifty sixty years, less so before World

1017
01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.960
<v Speaker 3>War Two. But they've rejected all those doctrines. Islam needs

1018
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:23.360
<v Speaker 3>to reject the doctrines that lead to the same conclusion.

1019
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:27.920
<v Speaker 3>So you can have any Islam that is not involved

1020
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:29.960
<v Speaker 3>in governance. You can have any Islam that is not

1021
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:32.679
<v Speaker 3>involved in running the states. You can have any Islam

1022
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:36.119
<v Speaker 3>there way. People just believe now, to the extent that

1023
01:07:36.199 --> 01:07:41.519
<v Speaker 3>people hold their religion consistently, to the extent that people,

1024
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:48.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, put faith above reason, to that extent, they're

1025
01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:52.199
<v Speaker 3>going to be problems. What in the West we have

1026
01:07:52.239 --> 01:07:55.760
<v Speaker 3>done is we've relegated that space the relatively minor part

1027
01:07:55.840 --> 01:08:01.119
<v Speaker 3>of life. So the damage is limited, somewhat limited, and

1028
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:05.079
<v Speaker 3>when it expands, the damage gets worse. So in America,

1029
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:07.039
<v Speaker 3>when they talk about doing away with the separation of

1030
01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:09.760
<v Speaker 3>church's state, as some people in America are talking about today,

1031
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:15.800
<v Speaker 3>that damage is expanded. So religion to the extent that

1032
01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:19.159
<v Speaker 3>the gates reason is always damaging. But if we can

1033
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:21.680
<v Speaker 3>limit that damage to the individual itself rather than to

1034
01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:26.640
<v Speaker 3>millions and the whole political system. Then we've moved a

1035
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:33.479
<v Speaker 3>long way towards a more peaceful coexist. And Islamism is

1036
01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:37.039
<v Speaker 3>the idea that no Islam has to dominate all aspects

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<v Speaker 3>of life and for everybody. And if you're not a Muslim, okay,

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01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:42.199
<v Speaker 3>you can still live. You have to be a special

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<v Speaker 3>tax You definitely your second class citizen. There was definitely

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<v Speaker 3>first and second class citizens in Islam, just like again

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01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:51.479
<v Speaker 3>they were under Christianity.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you said, you have you started with the nature

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01:08:57.479 --> 01:08:58.000
<v Speaker 6>of people.

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<v Speaker 7>Huh.

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<v Speaker 6>And you said, then you have the secular and the capitalism,

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01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:05.800
<v Speaker 6>and you have the theocracy, and that that is roughly speaking,

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01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:08.279
<v Speaker 6>the two. And then within that there's a lot of variation.

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<v Speaker 6>And then you said, it is very difficult to change

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01:09:12.199 --> 01:09:14.840
<v Speaker 6>the nature of people. You cannot crush out if you're

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01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:18.800
<v Speaker 6>either in the one or in the other. And then

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<v Speaker 6>I think from a secular point of view, of course,

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01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:24.119
<v Speaker 6>the values that we defend in the West, that we're

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01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:27.640
<v Speaker 6>very proud of, and we have a foothold in my opinion,

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01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:30.439
<v Speaker 6>in Israel with that. So in the middle of the

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01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:36.000
<v Speaker 6>whole Islamitic we have a Western thinking or Western philosophy

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01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:41.840
<v Speaker 6>as a foothold, which I think is great. But now

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<v Speaker 6>to your last points, this is very disturbing to me,

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01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:49.479
<v Speaker 6>and I realized it myself. Jan was talking about American

1059
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:53.279
<v Speaker 6>or Mexican or whatever, the Islamitic influence on the street.

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<v Speaker 6>I also experienced that. And what you said is in

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01:09:57.279 --> 01:09:59.479
<v Speaker 6>the past, we used to have a backbone, and we

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01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:02.560
<v Speaker 6>used to come out and help Israel and defend our

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01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:05.960
<v Speaker 6>values and go for it. And now it is like

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01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:09.680
<v Speaker 6>things are turning upside down. It is and I'm afraid

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01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:12.079
<v Speaker 6>in all fairness, and this is my own conclusion, but

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01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:14.720
<v Speaker 6>I'd like to hear your reflection on it. That people

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01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:17.279
<v Speaker 6>are not aware of what is going on, what kind

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01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:20.880
<v Speaker 6>of an indoctrination or not indoctrination with infiltration, what is

1069
01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:25.279
<v Speaker 6>going on, and if we don't realize, if we don't understand,

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01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:28.760
<v Speaker 6>if young people, if the current people in the West

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01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:34.439
<v Speaker 6>do not understand what's going on, basically underlaying to me,

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01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:36.079
<v Speaker 6>that's a real, real threat.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, but it's much worse than what you're saying,

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01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:46.159
<v Speaker 3>much worse because the reality is today young people in

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01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:49.880
<v Speaker 3>the West and Europe, in the United States are not

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01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:53.960
<v Speaker 3>only taught, they're not really taught much about what goes

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01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:55.960
<v Speaker 3>on in the world and what they represent and so on.

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01:10:56.439 --> 01:11:01.720
<v Speaker 3>But they're taught. They're taught that the West is bad,

1079
01:11:03.640 --> 01:11:07.359
<v Speaker 3>the taut that the West is sinseful. We're colonialists, we're

1080
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:11.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, we're an empire. There's nothing special about the West.

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01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:14.319
<v Speaker 3>There's nothing unique about us. There's nothing good about Capitalism

1082
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:18.439
<v Speaker 3>is evil, exploited, if nasty. I mean, find me young

1083
01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:21.800
<v Speaker 3>people out there at universities who are pro capitalists or

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01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:24.720
<v Speaker 3>even know what it is. They just don't exist. I

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01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:27.800
<v Speaker 3>was at Cambridge yesterday, Cambridge University in England, and I

1086
01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:30.479
<v Speaker 3>said a few things pro capitalism, and the place just

1087
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:37.000
<v Speaker 3>blew up. They thought I was crazy. Really, you know,

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01:11:37.039 --> 01:11:40.119
<v Speaker 3>they don't know anything. But what they do know is

1089
01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:42.640
<v Speaker 3>we are bad. We are bad.

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<v Speaker 6>So that is infiltration.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's not in frustration from the outside, it's an

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01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.560
<v Speaker 3>infistration for within. We've done it to ourselves, right. It's

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01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:53.239
<v Speaker 3>not that the Islamis have come here and told us, no, no,

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01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:57.560
<v Speaker 3>you guys are bad. No, we based on our philosophies,

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01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.640
<v Speaker 3>based on our philosophers, based on ideas that have come

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01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:08.600
<v Speaker 3>out of the West, you know, anti ourselves. So so

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01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:12.199
<v Speaker 3>if Western civilization is built in my view, Western stories

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01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:15.600
<v Speaker 3>is built up three ideas, three you know pillars, they're

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01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:18.319
<v Speaker 3>all related. It's all comes with really one idea, but

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01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:21.600
<v Speaker 3>the three related ideas. The first one is the ficacy

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01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:25.079
<v Speaker 3>of reason. We learn about the world through reason. It

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01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:28.079
<v Speaker 3>is our mind, our sensors in our mind. That's how

1103
01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:32.640
<v Speaker 3>we know what we know. Science, right, it's it's it's

1104
01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:36.520
<v Speaker 3>about reasoning and it's about understanding the world. And we

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01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:42.159
<v Speaker 3>have the capacity to do that well not not. If

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01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:46.720
<v Speaker 3>you read kant Hegel, Chopin, I am Mars and the

1107
01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:51.560
<v Speaker 3>post modernists, all Westerns didn't mention a single non Western philosopher,

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01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:55.560
<v Speaker 3>reason is out. Reason doesn't tell you about real reality.

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01:12:56.159 --> 01:13:00.840
<v Speaker 3>And you know who cares about reason. It's the the emotion,

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01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:05.159
<v Speaker 3>the sense of being one or whatever he goes nonsense

1111
01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:08.520
<v Speaker 3>actually means right. And the postmonus tell you there is

1112
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:12.159
<v Speaker 3>no truth, So hell with reason. You can't discover truth

1113
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:14.840
<v Speaker 3>because there is no truth. There's no such, no concept

1114
01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:19.239
<v Speaker 3>is out. So if the West less rests on reason,

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01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:22.399
<v Speaker 3>I think it does, and the West comes to maturity

1116
01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:25.439
<v Speaker 3>and the Enlightenment, which is the age of reason, which

1117
01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:28.960
<v Speaker 3>is the rediscovery of reason after centuries of religion and

1118
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.600
<v Speaker 3>going by a book. And I mean they even treated

1119
01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:35.119
<v Speaker 3>Aristotle and the Greeks as religious texts, right, They read

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01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:37.720
<v Speaker 3>them as if they were religious text because that's the

1121
01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:40.399
<v Speaker 3>only mentality they had. You read a book, it's all true,

1122
01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:45.560
<v Speaker 3>you follow. And yet in the Enlightenment it was suddenly, whoa,

1123
01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:48.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, let's look around, let's discover, let's figure out

1124
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:53.880
<v Speaker 3>what the truth is that's been undercut. Second pillar is individualism.

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01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Only an individual can reason. There's no group consciousness, there's

1126
01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:03.439
<v Speaker 3>no group consciousness voting around here. We don't think in groups.

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01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:07.760
<v Speaker 3>We think in individuals. And it's the individuals life that

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01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:10.920
<v Speaker 3>has sanct It's the individual that must be protected. Go

1129
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:13.720
<v Speaker 3>back to John Locke and the concept of individual rights,

1130
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.159
<v Speaker 3>which is celebrated in Enlightenment and brought about the creation

1131
01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:20.039
<v Speaker 3>of the United States of America. But really all the

1132
01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:23.920
<v Speaker 3>modern Europe is a testament to John Locke and these

1133
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:28.039
<v Speaker 3>kind of ideas. Right, and yet does anybody believe individual

1134
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:31.640
<v Speaker 3>rights anymore? Anybody ever talk about individual rights, the right

1135
01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:34.039
<v Speaker 3>to life, liberty, and pursuit. Nobody talks about it, even

1136
01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:36.920
<v Speaker 3>in America. Nobody talks about Send the decoration to adventents.

1137
01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:38.720
<v Speaker 3>But you learn that in history, and then you forget

1138
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:40.359
<v Speaker 3>it and then you go on in life. But if

1139
01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:44.479
<v Speaker 3>you follow the presidential campaign debates, nobody ever mentions the

1140
01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:49.119
<v Speaker 3>word rights, partially because to have power, you have to

1141
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:52.800
<v Speaker 3>violate people's rights, and everybody wants power. That's what's important.

1142
01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:55.960
<v Speaker 3>So the second pillar individualism. Now, in America at least,

1143
01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:57.800
<v Speaker 3>and I think this is true in Europe as well,

1144
01:14:57.920 --> 01:15:01.039
<v Speaker 3>we become tribal. You know, you either belong to the

1145
01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:02.720
<v Speaker 3>left or you belong to the right, and you hate

1146
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:05.720
<v Speaker 3>each other because the left and the truth is irrelevant.

1147
01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:11.079
<v Speaker 3>It's which tribe you belong to. It's all tribalism and

1148
01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:14.680
<v Speaker 3>collectivism and individualism is out the window. And then on

1149
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:17.600
<v Speaker 3>top of that you have the whole multicultural movement right,

1150
01:15:17.720 --> 01:15:21.840
<v Speaker 3>which is a collectivistic movement basically categorizes people as groups.

1151
01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:25.359
<v Speaker 3>Every culture is equal, right, So we tell ourselves and

1152
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:28.840
<v Speaker 3>we invented this. Nobody imported this. Like immigrants who come

1153
01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:31.840
<v Speaker 3>to Europe come here because they want mostly because they

1154
01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:33.920
<v Speaker 3>want a better life. And then they come here and

1155
01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:36.439
<v Speaker 3>we tell them, yeah, but your culture is just as

1156
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:40.239
<v Speaker 3>good as ours. About very culture that you escape from Africa,

1157
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:42.399
<v Speaker 3>from the Middle East just as good as ours. You

1158
01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:45.399
<v Speaker 3>can't say one culture is better than the other, and

1159
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:48.760
<v Speaker 3>they go, oh, okay, we didn't realize that, so maybe

1160
01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:51.520
<v Speaker 3>we should bring our culture here. I mean, imagine a

1161
01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:53.319
<v Speaker 3>West that said you want to come here, great, we

1162
01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:57.159
<v Speaker 3>love immigrants. You have to assimilarly, you have to become us.

1163
01:15:57.720 --> 01:15:59.600
<v Speaker 3>You have to become European. Here's what it means to

1164
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:01.520
<v Speaker 3>be europe You have to expect reason, you have to

1165
01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:05.319
<v Speaker 3>expect individuals. And finally, the third pillar of the Enlightenment

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01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:08.640
<v Speaker 3>or of Western civilization is political liberty.

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01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:12.600
<v Speaker 8>Political freedom, which of course rests on the concept of

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01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:15.560
<v Speaker 8>individual rights, rests on the fact that as individuals, we

1169
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:18.359
<v Speaker 8>are free to pursue our values, free of cursion, free

1170
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:18.760
<v Speaker 8>of force.

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01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:24.079
<v Speaker 3>But nobody even knows that. Yeah, we have this vague

1172
01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:27.199
<v Speaker 3>notion of democracy is a good thing. So we give

1173
01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:29.279
<v Speaker 3>everybody the right to vote, and then they can vote

1174
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:32.119
<v Speaker 3>to take rights away from a minority. And what's the

1175
01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:35.960
<v Speaker 3>smallest minority. Iran pointed out, what's the smallest minority group?

1176
01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:40.640
<v Speaker 3>The individual? Individuals, the smallest minority. We're very good at

1177
01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:44.279
<v Speaker 3>taking rights away from the individual. So we become collectivists,

1178
01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:51.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, we become irrationalists, and we've become you know,

1179
01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:56.359
<v Speaker 3>democracy is not exactly what political liberty. Political freedom really

1180
01:16:56.399 --> 01:17:00.399
<v Speaker 3>is about, because it needs to be democrat. He needs

1181
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:03.279
<v Speaker 3>to be limited by some things that it prevents the

1182
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:06.560
<v Speaker 3>majority from overwhelming the minority. We don't have that anymore.

1183
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:08.800
<v Speaker 3>We become much more democratic than we we should be

1184
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:11.920
<v Speaker 3>or have been. And now democracy is like God. Right.

1185
01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:13.479
<v Speaker 3>If you go on a debate or you go in

1186
01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:16.119
<v Speaker 3>a state somewhere and you say democracy not so good God,

1187
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:23.399
<v Speaker 3>they'll stone you to So it's so. The problem in

1188
01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:27.520
<v Speaker 3>the world today is us, it's not them. If we

1189
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:33.319
<v Speaker 3>understood our value, understood what we're about, understood how good

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01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:38.600
<v Speaker 3>our ideas were all can be, then it's easy to

1191
01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:42.479
<v Speaker 3>deal with them. It's easy. Putin is nothing. He's a nothing.

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01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:45.680
<v Speaker 3>The only thing that gives Putin power is the fact

1193
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:49.319
<v Speaker 3>that he has confidence or jex confidence, and that we

1194
01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:53.760
<v Speaker 3>don't know what the hell we do. I mean, in America,

1195
01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:55.720
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the people on their rights in America

1196
01:17:55.800 --> 01:18:00.640
<v Speaker 3>think Putin is their friend because he's religious, he's strong.

1197
01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:04.039
<v Speaker 3>You ever seen it without a shirt. He's masculine, you know,

1198
01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:07.239
<v Speaker 3>and they love him because he's one of them, and

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01:18:07.319 --> 01:18:10.199
<v Speaker 3>they can't say no, no, no. Putin represents evil because

1200
01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:14.079
<v Speaker 3>there's all such things evil all the same and or

1201
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:16.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, Putin doesn't represent the West because they can't

1202
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:18.199
<v Speaker 3>define the West. They have no concept for what the

1203
01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:21.600
<v Speaker 3>West is. So none of these bad actors in the world.

1204
01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:26.399
<v Speaker 3>North Korea, the fact that anybody cares about anything happening

1205
01:18:26.439 --> 01:18:28.760
<v Speaker 3>in North Korea as a joke. They should have been

1206
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that regime should have been destroyed a long

1207
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:33.680
<v Speaker 3>time ago. As soon as they started making threats and

1208
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:36.239
<v Speaker 3>building nuclear bombs, they should have been destroyed. Why are

1209
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:40.079
<v Speaker 3>they've been around? And Iran could go like this, and

1210
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:43.880
<v Speaker 3>so what Israel did to it that barely barely challenged itself,

1211
01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:47.720
<v Speaker 3>you know. So China is the only one that you

1212
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:49.600
<v Speaker 3>could even imagine being a threat. And if you took

1213
01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:53.239
<v Speaker 3>care of Russia, North Korea and Iran, China would behave itself.

1214
01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:55.760
<v Speaker 3>You know, China would would tow the line and they

1215
01:18:55.800 --> 01:18:58.760
<v Speaker 3>would change completely because they would be afraid.

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01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:17.680
<v Speaker 9>Uh God. So well, if you support to.

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01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:26.479
<v Speaker 3>Support God or something, yeah, I support I said about

1218
01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:28.760
<v Speaker 3>the people who are advocate for freedom, which is is

1219
01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:31.119
<v Speaker 3>Rael in Ukraine. Ukraine is not perfect, it's not as

1220
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:33.880
<v Speaker 3>good as his rule, but it's pretty damn close. If

1221
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:35.840
<v Speaker 3>you if you win Ukraine, and if you've been a

1222
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:41.319
<v Speaker 3>kid before the Putin's invasion, it was striving to be Western.

1223
01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:43.680
<v Speaker 3>It was really making an effort to try to become

1224
01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:46.920
<v Speaker 3>like a Western country. And the young people there, they

1225
01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:49.039
<v Speaker 3>wanted to become part of Europe. They they that was

1226
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:51.720
<v Speaker 3>their dream, that's what they wanted, what they still want.

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01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:56.039
<v Speaker 3>So no, I mean you support you don't see, they

1228
01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:59.640
<v Speaker 3>have this perspective of supporting the underdog. Right, it's not

1229
01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:03.039
<v Speaker 3>about it's not about freedom, it's not about values. It's

1230
01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:05.479
<v Speaker 3>about who's on top and who's on bottom. So if

1231
01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:08.720
<v Speaker 3>you support Israel, they're the strong ones. You used to

1232
01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:12.000
<v Speaker 3>support Russia because they're the strong ones. If you support Ukraine,

1233
01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:14.479
<v Speaker 3>they're the weak ones. That you support the weak ones

1234
01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:18.000
<v Speaker 3>over there, which is Gaza. So no, I support those

1235
01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:22.880
<v Speaker 3>fighting for freedom, fighting for a semblance of Western values,

1236
01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:26.600
<v Speaker 3>and Ukraine does, and Israel does, and Russia is the

1237
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:29.720
<v Speaker 3>opposite of that. Russia is the enemy of everything Western.

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01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:31.880
<v Speaker 10>Russia.

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01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:35.199
<v Speaker 9>But Gasa, what is their view?

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<v Speaker 3>Russia and Gaza They just hate the West, right, No,

1241
01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:42.640
<v Speaker 3>they're just haters, right, So they hate the West. So

1242
01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:46.119
<v Speaker 3>that makes see that's the most logical, that's the most

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01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:49.399
<v Speaker 3>consistent position. Have because Russia and Gaza are similar. They're

1244
01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:54.520
<v Speaker 3>both anti Western, anti individual, anti progress and capitalism. They're

1245
01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:58.079
<v Speaker 3>both just the might of the muscle. They're just about

1246
01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:01.840
<v Speaker 3>material might. So I see that much more than I

1247
01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:14.439
<v Speaker 3>see the other combination about the Middle East. You yeah, yeah,

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01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:17.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean Took. He's such a complicated place because on

1249
01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:20.920
<v Speaker 3>the one hand, it Took. He's a member of NATO.

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01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:24.399
<v Speaker 3>Pretty pretty amazing, Took. He's a member of NATO. It

1251
01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:30.960
<v Speaker 3>has American nuclear weapons in Turkey. They have basically the

1252
01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:34.800
<v Speaker 3>best American weapon systems in the world. If you know,

1253
01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:37.800
<v Speaker 3>if thirty fives and uh, you know, they have a

1254
01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:42.760
<v Speaker 3>lot of American weapon systems. On the other hand, the

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01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:47.279
<v Speaker 3>one is as a community Slamist. Now he's an Islamist

1256
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:50.600
<v Speaker 3>of a different type. He's less militant than others. He

1257
01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:54.479
<v Speaker 3>does not he does not believe yet that he has

1258
01:21:55.439 --> 01:22:02.560
<v Speaker 3>the power militarily and otherwise to actually use physical force

1259
01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.640
<v Speaker 3>to get his way. He's trying to use soft power.

1260
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:09.399
<v Speaker 3>It's called diplomacy software. He also would love to join

1261
01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:11.960
<v Speaker 3>the EU right, so he doesn't want to alienate the

1262
01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:14.439
<v Speaker 3>Eupeans too much, but he's realized now that he's never

1263
01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:16.680
<v Speaker 3>going to join the EU, so he's willing to be

1264
01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:18.560
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more aggressive on the other side. But

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01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:21.880
<v Speaker 3>he also needs America because he's discovered what the Russian

1266
01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:25.600
<v Speaker 3>weapons systems are worth nothing, and so he still wants

1267
01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:28.159
<v Speaker 3>to buy weapon systems on the Americans. So he's on

1268
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:32.039
<v Speaker 3>this balancing act. I mean, this is the funny thing

1269
01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:40.079
<v Speaker 3>is it's funny, it's tragic. The reality is that the

1270
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:47.760
<v Speaker 3>enemies of the West are unbelievably weak. Russia is incredibly weak,

1271
01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:54.359
<v Speaker 3>Tooki's incredibly weak. It depends on America. Right, you know,

1272
01:22:54.520 --> 01:22:58.000
<v Speaker 3>both Korea and you are a barely significant Right, they're

1273
01:22:58.039 --> 01:22:59.880
<v Speaker 3>all weak comas this week, he's well, last week, they're

1274
01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:04.680
<v Speaker 3>all right. And the West is incredibly strong in comparison,

1275
01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:08.039
<v Speaker 3>And the only thing that prevents us from winning is us.

1276
01:23:08.279 --> 01:23:10.399
<v Speaker 3>And in that sense, the number one enemy of the

1277
01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:14.039
<v Speaker 3>West is the West. The number one enemies of the

1278
01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:17.800
<v Speaker 3>West are the universities, or what is being taught in

1279
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:21.000
<v Speaker 3>the universities, which undermines who we are, underminds the values

1280
01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:25.119
<v Speaker 3>that we represent, underminds capitalism and liberty and all of

1281
01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:30.119
<v Speaker 3>these things, and reason, most importantly science even and indeed,

1282
01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:35.640
<v Speaker 3>the most significant enemies of the West over the last

1283
01:23:35.680 --> 01:23:40.479
<v Speaker 3>two hundred years of being the West came out of

1284
01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:45.479
<v Speaker 3>the West. Right, communism, and fascism, those came out of

1285
01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:50.479
<v Speaker 3>Western thinkers. So nothing has come from anywhere else that's

1286
01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:54.479
<v Speaker 3>a threat to the West, nothing except what we produce.

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01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:57.880
<v Speaker 3>So what's happening today in the universities is we're producing,

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01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:01.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, on the left, if you will, the woke culture,

1289
01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:04.880
<v Speaker 3>and on the right the you know, this kind of

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01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:08.560
<v Speaker 3>nationalist national conservatism call it, or Christian conservatism as some

1291
01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:12.039
<v Speaker 3>call it. Again, these are forces that scare me a

1292
01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:18.279
<v Speaker 3>lot more than Muslims, Russians or you know, North Koreans.

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01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:20.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm afraid of the university professor from across the street.

1294
01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:23.720
<v Speaker 3>He scares me much more than those because he's weakening,

1295
01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:27.560
<v Speaker 3>weakening ability to do anything. It could overtake us, right,

1296
01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:31.039
<v Speaker 3>he could. These people could take over the country. They

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01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:34.439
<v Speaker 3>have right in many respects. Right yeh.

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01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:39.319
<v Speaker 11>Can we go back to yes, you said you have

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01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:44.640
<v Speaker 11>to crush the enemy, to crush gh When I look

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01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:48.920
<v Speaker 11>at this for the distance, I think is almost destroyed totally.

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01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:51.800
<v Speaker 2>So my question is what could I do more than

1302
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:54.720
<v Speaker 2>what I've already done. The second question is do you

1303
01:24:54.800 --> 01:24:59.039
<v Speaker 2>believe in precise in operations which you take out the

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01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:02.399
<v Speaker 2>leaders instead of home maybe the whole people.

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01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:09.840
<v Speaker 3>So what could the visual have done? It should have

1306
01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:16.279
<v Speaker 3>done everything it's done much faster and in much deadlier,

1307
01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:21.520
<v Speaker 3>much more destructive way. It should never have allowed food

1308
01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:25.640
<v Speaker 3>into the gaza. It should have cut off electricity on

1309
01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:28.359
<v Speaker 3>October eighth, then water on October eight. I mean, should

1310
01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:30.640
<v Speaker 3>have never given it to them. But but you know

1311
01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:32.880
<v Speaker 3>that the enemy why why you know, why are you're

1312
01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:35.640
<v Speaker 3>providing water and antisity to them. They should have cut

1313
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:42.159
<v Speaker 3>them off completely, isolated them completely and then just devastated them.

1314
01:25:42.199 --> 01:25:44.479
<v Speaker 3>And I don't believe in just picking off the leaders.

1315
01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:46.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that helps. Every leader was picked off,

1316
01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:51.520
<v Speaker 3>there's immediately replacement. And this has been going on for

1317
01:25:51.520 --> 01:25:53.840
<v Speaker 3>forty years, you know, thirty years they killed the kid

1318
01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:56.640
<v Speaker 3>they had, the guy who founded Hamas was killed in

1319
01:25:56.680 --> 01:26:02.439
<v Speaker 3>the in the nineteen nineties. Immediately somebody replaced them. You can't.

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01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:06.319
<v Speaker 3>It's this is an ideology that is well established within

1321
01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:09.039
<v Speaker 3>the culture and and you can just pick up leaders

1322
01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:12.880
<v Speaker 3>because they have replacement. How many you know? This is

1323
01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:15.239
<v Speaker 3>the question. It's a it's a horrible question to asked,

1324
01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:16.520
<v Speaker 3>but it's a question. How many people do you have

1325
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.840
<v Speaker 3>to kill for them to actually get the idea that

1326
01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:24.039
<v Speaker 3>they they've they're defeated, they finished, And I don't know

1327
01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:26.159
<v Speaker 3>what the answer to that is, but a lot more

1328
01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:28.720
<v Speaker 3>than we're being killed. I mean, this will this still

1329
01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:33.239
<v Speaker 3>go down as the war in which fewer civilian casualties

1330
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:36.960
<v Speaker 3>have died than any other war. In urban war is

1331
01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:40.319
<v Speaker 3>certainly in urban warfare, but in any warfare, certainly per

1332
01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:45.000
<v Speaker 3>kilogram of explosives detonated, I mean, those killed almost nobody,

1333
01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:49.600
<v Speaker 3>and the consequences are the Hamas. You know, the past

1334
01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:53.359
<v Speaker 3>Sunian populations still think they can win. If you ask

1335
01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:55.399
<v Speaker 3>people in the West Bank, do they support Hamas, Yes,

1336
01:26:55.439 --> 01:26:57.319
<v Speaker 3>they still support com They still think they can win,

1337
01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:00.399
<v Speaker 3>They still think they can survive because you know the population.

1338
01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:03.640
<v Speaker 3>You know, Israel's accused of genocide. You know, the population

1339
01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:08.680
<v Speaker 3>of Gaza has actually increased over the last year. That is,

1340
01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:13.600
<v Speaker 3>more children were born that Israel has killed adults, right,

1341
01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:16.159
<v Speaker 3>old children or whatever whoever they've killed, right, so the

1342
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:18.359
<v Speaker 3>population has growing. This is the kind of the worst

1343
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:21.399
<v Speaker 3>genocide that anybody's ever tried to do. When the population

1344
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:24.920
<v Speaker 3>actually grows, doesn't shrink. I mean, it's horrible that we

1345
01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:26.640
<v Speaker 3>even have to talk about these things. But that's the

1346
01:27:26.680 --> 01:27:30.920
<v Speaker 3>reality that and everything's so pervert. So no, it needed

1347
01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:34.520
<v Speaker 3>to be flatted much. I mean Israel, like, Israel's done

1348
01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:37.039
<v Speaker 3>an amazing job and taking very few casualties, and the

1349
01:27:37.079 --> 01:27:40.199
<v Speaker 3>military is amazing. But the reality is they go into

1350
01:27:40.239 --> 01:27:42.960
<v Speaker 3>a place they supposed to clean it out, they leave

1351
01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:47.039
<v Speaker 3>hamas reappears, they have to go back in clean it up. Leave.

1352
01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:50.720
<v Speaker 3>You can't win that way. And some places they've gone

1353
01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:52.840
<v Speaker 3>in five times and they're still popping up out of

1354
01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:56.319
<v Speaker 3>nowhere because they recruit new people. They trained sixteen year olds,

1355
01:27:56.399 --> 01:27:59.800
<v Speaker 3>they train them again. You have to crush the spirit

1356
01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:00.520
<v Speaker 3>of these people.

1357
01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Solists, rush, old, God.

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01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:06.680
<v Speaker 3>You got them. I think in the end, I think

1359
01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:08.199
<v Speaker 3>in the end, fewer people.

1360
01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:12.760
<v Speaker 12>Die, so you are prepared to accept as everybody everybody's what,

1361
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:13.880
<v Speaker 12>everybody dies.

1362
01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:15.760
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think you have to kill two million people.

1363
01:28:16.279 --> 01:28:17.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how many people you have to kill,

1364
01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:20.399
<v Speaker 3>but but it's nowhere near two million people. You have

1365
01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:23.640
<v Speaker 3>to give them a sense that their lives they could

1366
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:25.880
<v Speaker 3>die at any moment. You have to give them a

1367
01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:30.520
<v Speaker 3>sense that Israel is willing to kill them, and you

1368
01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:33.520
<v Speaker 3>know at some point they will say enough given up.

1369
01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:37.119
<v Speaker 13>But you're think that they don't have this sense now

1370
01:28:37.359 --> 01:28:40.119
<v Speaker 13>that they doesn't see that they are being killed.

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01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:45.279
<v Speaker 3>Look, Israel just offered five million dollars to anybody who's

1372
01:28:45.319 --> 01:28:48.560
<v Speaker 3>willing to give information about where the hostages are. They

1373
01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:51.840
<v Speaker 3>have to be thousands of Palestinians who know where the

1374
01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:55.439
<v Speaker 3>hostages are, right because they're embedded in them. They're right there.

1375
01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:58.199
<v Speaker 3>Not a single person has come forward to give in

1376
01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:02.600
<v Speaker 3>for me million dollars, and Israel says, we'll give you

1377
01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:06.159
<v Speaker 3>a new identity, We'll put you somewhere else in the world.

1378
01:29:06.319 --> 01:29:08.800
<v Speaker 3>Tamas will never get to you, will protect your life,

1379
01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:11.880
<v Speaker 3>will give you five million dollars a lot of money, right,

1380
01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:17.039
<v Speaker 3>and nobody's come forward. So that tells you something about

1381
01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:20.479
<v Speaker 3>they don't want to they want the dog, they want

1382
01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:24.560
<v Speaker 3>to keep them. And it's two million people. So have

1383
01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:27.279
<v Speaker 3>they figured it out now? They haven't figured out yet.

1384
01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:32.640
<v Speaker 3>They'll start again, they'll start again. They're not defeated yet.

1385
01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:34.880
<v Speaker 3>And if again, if you look at surveys, if you

1386
01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:38.680
<v Speaker 3>look at questionnaires, you know, do you support Ramas anonymous?

1387
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:41.359
<v Speaker 3>Nobody will find who they are. They support Ramas, they

1388
01:29:41.359 --> 01:29:45.279
<v Speaker 3>continue to support the US. Israel has not defeated them,

1389
01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:52.359
<v Speaker 3>not psychologically. Maybe they defeated the militariity, not psychologically. It's amazing, Yeah,

1390
01:29:52.359 --> 01:29:55.359
<v Speaker 3>I see it. There rezillions of people, the willingness of

1391
01:29:55.399 --> 01:30:00.520
<v Speaker 3>people to commit suicide, to destroy their own lives in

1392
01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:03.199
<v Speaker 3>the name of an ideology, but it's there. It's like

1393
01:30:03.239 --> 01:30:06.479
<v Speaker 3>those Japanese who believed that they still had to hold

1394
01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:08.760
<v Speaker 3>onto that island no matter what, and they were going

1395
01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:11.520
<v Speaker 3>to fight this war even if they you know, even

1396
01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:13.720
<v Speaker 3>if they died, and all the other troops who died,

1397
01:30:13.800 --> 01:30:16.079
<v Speaker 3>they were going to hold the island no matter even

1398
01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:17.319
<v Speaker 3>though it was obviously they were going to lose.

1399
01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, that's a big difference.

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01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:24.319
<v Speaker 14>I think the Nazism and the Japanese were mentioned. If

1401
01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:28.920
<v Speaker 14>you look at this particular ideology, it's based on religion,

1402
01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:31.600
<v Speaker 14>which is way different. So I think if you crush them,

1403
01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:36.680
<v Speaker 14>you make them believe they can't be anymore, they still

1404
01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:38.920
<v Speaker 14>have the sense that this is the way they need

1405
01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:42.720
<v Speaker 14>to behave to go to heaven over that kind of thing. So,

1406
01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:45.399
<v Speaker 14>how do you think this will work? Because I don't

1407
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:47.319
<v Speaker 14>think it can cross our ideology.

1408
01:30:48.159 --> 01:30:49.479
<v Speaker 3>So I think he can. I don't think there's a

1409
01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:52.439
<v Speaker 3>big difference. I think Nazism was a religion. It even

1410
01:30:52.479 --> 01:30:56.840
<v Speaker 3>had mythology in a sense, had a kind of an afterlife. Suddenly,

1411
01:30:57.000 --> 01:30:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Japanese and puerialism, it was a religion. I mean, the

1412
01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Kamikazi pilots didn't believe they got seventy two virgins, but

1413
01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:06.359
<v Speaker 3>they went to an afterlife where all the warriors lived,

1414
01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:11.520
<v Speaker 3>very much like old Nordic kind of mythology. Uh. Japanese mythology.

1415
01:31:11.640 --> 01:31:15.439
<v Speaker 3>Japanese imperialism was all based on Shintuism and a deep

1416
01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:18.319
<v Speaker 3>commitment to a religious view of the world. And yet

1417
01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:21.840
<v Speaker 3>once they realized that this was not going to achieve

1418
01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:24.399
<v Speaker 3>what they were promised it was going to achieve, that

1419
01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:26.840
<v Speaker 3>this was a dead end, that they could not go anywhere,

1420
01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:29.960
<v Speaker 3>that they could not achieve anything, they switched their ideology.

1421
01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:32.520
<v Speaker 3>People change their minds. People have free will. People could

1422
01:31:32.600 --> 01:31:37.079
<v Speaker 3>change their minds, but they need particularly if they're if

1423
01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:41.840
<v Speaker 3>they're deeply religious, they need strong motivation. Death and destruction

1424
01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:45.960
<v Speaker 3>are strong motivation. It's again, it's it's it's you know,

1425
01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:49.239
<v Speaker 3>the only way to change somebody's mind when they when

1426
01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:51.479
<v Speaker 3>they're that committed, is to show them it doesn't work.

1427
01:31:51.479 --> 01:31:54.399
<v Speaker 3>And again I'll go back to my Isis example, when

1428
01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:57.279
<v Speaker 3>ISIS was winning. There was a lot of terrorism, a

1429
01:31:57.279 --> 01:32:00.319
<v Speaker 3>lot of people volunteering to go die when I ISIS

1430
01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:04.680
<v Speaker 3>is losing. Nobody volunteers or very few people volunteers. And

1431
01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:08.039
<v Speaker 3>ISIS was never really crushed. It just wasn't gaining it,

1432
01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:10.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, it just lost the ground that it made.

1433
01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:11.439
<v Speaker 3>So the same thing happens here.

1434
01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:16.000
<v Speaker 14>Well that these people the ideology is crushed from the

1435
01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:18.720
<v Speaker 14>like the ISIS itself because maybe they just go through

1436
01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:19.079
<v Speaker 14>different but.

1437
01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:22.680
<v Speaker 3>There was no coordinating. The terrorist attacks in Europe were

1438
01:32:22.760 --> 01:32:26.600
<v Speaker 3>loan actors who were not being coordinated from overseas, who

1439
01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:29.279
<v Speaker 3>just decided that they were supportive of ISIS and they

1440
01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:32.039
<v Speaker 3>would kill a bunch of Western people.

1441
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:34.399
<v Speaker 14>With this ideology, they can just reunipe.

1442
01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:34.760
<v Speaker 10>And create something else.

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01:32:36.199 --> 01:32:39.960
<v Speaker 14>Yes, that's why they can't have any any sufficient substances.

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01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:44.000
<v Speaker 3>So you if you crush them, then they can't reunite

1445
01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:45.960
<v Speaker 3>and can't start up again. This is what happened to

1446
01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:49.119
<v Speaker 3>Japanese or what happens to Germans. Look, it's harder because

1447
01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Islam is bigger, and Islamism is bigger, I mean by

1448
01:32:52.640 --> 01:32:56.239
<v Speaker 3>some measures, when you do surveys of the Islamic world,

1449
01:32:57.279 --> 01:32:59.880
<v Speaker 3>something like twenty to thirty percent of the Islamic world

1450
01:32:59.880 --> 01:33:03.680
<v Speaker 3>but leaves and in Islamic ideology, in Islamist ideology, that's

1451
01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:07.279
<v Speaker 3>three hundred million people. That's a lot of people. But again,

1452
01:33:07.720 --> 01:33:12.239
<v Speaker 3>this a lot of that dramatically increased after the Iranian

1453
01:33:12.279 --> 01:33:15.479
<v Speaker 3>Revolution because what did the Iranian Revolution show them? The

1454
01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Iranian Revolution was the first example in modern times of

1455
01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:24.439
<v Speaker 3>Sharia law being established over people, of its being successful

1456
01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:28.039
<v Speaker 3>defeating the West, because the shah Viuwan was associated with

1457
01:33:28.079 --> 01:33:30.119
<v Speaker 3>the West. So when I turn Romani came to power

1458
01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:34.000
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen seventy nine, it was considered whoa Islamism can

1459
01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:37.399
<v Speaker 3>work And suddenly there was a massive boon in the

1460
01:33:37.439 --> 01:33:41.560
<v Speaker 3>creation of Islamic organizations, in terrorist organizations and other forms

1461
01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:44.680
<v Speaker 3>of organizations, and they got emboldened and they sped all

1462
01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:48.600
<v Speaker 3>over the Middle East. Right, if Iran goes, that'll take

1463
01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:51.439
<v Speaker 3>a lot of that momentum awayfund Yep.

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01:33:53.479 --> 01:33:59.319
<v Speaker 15>I think that not every Palestinian is behind tom Us,

1465
01:33:59.399 --> 01:34:02.239
<v Speaker 15>just like not every German was the Nazi.

1466
01:34:02.279 --> 01:34:06.920
<v Speaker 16>That's why should then Sphilians in areas like Pnstina surfer

1467
01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:10.159
<v Speaker 16>by a solution like bombing everything to the crowd just

1468
01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:14.920
<v Speaker 16>to try and kill an ideology Because most of them

1469
01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:18.039
<v Speaker 16>have no say in the ways how must adds or

1470
01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:22.960
<v Speaker 16>it's just not Yeah, it's not just incorrect, it's unethical.

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01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:27.319
<v Speaker 15>And women and children especially should not surfers. They do

1472
01:34:27.439 --> 01:34:31.720
<v Speaker 15>not have events or must they're innocent, but they already

1473
01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:35.000
<v Speaker 15>do because ASILs just public schools.

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01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Hospitals and other is So I don't know how innocent

1475
01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:41.640
<v Speaker 3>women are. I don't know if you've seen these videos

1476
01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:44.399
<v Speaker 3>of I mean, there's a famous video of a woman

1477
01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:48.840
<v Speaker 3>whose baby has cancer and she takes and she takes

1478
01:34:48.880 --> 01:34:52.159
<v Speaker 3>the baby to Israel and they help cure the cancer.

1479
01:34:52.199 --> 01:34:54.159
<v Speaker 3>They save the baby's life, and they kill the cancer.

1480
01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:57.359
<v Speaker 3>And she turns the camera and she says, my goal

1481
01:34:57.439 --> 01:34:59.920
<v Speaker 3>for this baby is to be a Shaheit, that is

1482
01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:03.520
<v Speaker 3>suicide Bama who kills Jews. So I wouldn't say that

1483
01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:05.720
<v Speaker 3>this woman is innocent. I don't think she is. That

1484
01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Jews just saved the baby's lives, but what she wants

1485
01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:10.439
<v Speaker 3>is the baby to kill when he grows up, to

1486
01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:14.199
<v Speaker 3>kill Jews. This is the ideology. This is ideology A

1487
01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:19.720
<v Speaker 3>significant percentage of Palestinians believe in now is it? Everybody?

1488
01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:23.439
<v Speaker 3>Of course, not just like not everybody who was an Natzi,

1489
01:35:23.880 --> 01:35:27.720
<v Speaker 3>but The reality is that when you live in a

1490
01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:30.680
<v Speaker 3>place that is ruled by evil people, you're going to

1491
01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:33.840
<v Speaker 3>suffer the consequence of their ideology. If the only way

1492
01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:38.720
<v Speaker 3>for me to defeat Ramas is for some innocence to die,

1493
01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:42.319
<v Speaker 3>then you have to kill some innocence because there's no

1494
01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:45.640
<v Speaker 3>other way to defeat Ramas, and there is no other way.

1495
01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:48.760
<v Speaker 3>There was no way in Germany to only kill the

1496
01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:53.720
<v Speaker 3>Natist and indeed, if you had done that, then more

1497
01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:56.039
<v Speaker 3>Nazis would have been created. And that's what's happening in

1498
01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:58.159
<v Speaker 3>Kamas right now. Every time you kill a leader and

1499
01:35:58.199 --> 01:36:01.000
<v Speaker 3>new leader pops up. Every time you killer somebody with

1500
01:36:01.039 --> 01:36:03.239
<v Speaker 3>a gun and you one caps up. Now, it's horrible.

1501
01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:06.239
<v Speaker 3>The children have to die. Children are truly innocent. Women

1502
01:36:06.319 --> 01:36:09.279
<v Speaker 3>might not be. The children are truly innocent. It's horrible

1503
01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:12.079
<v Speaker 3>that you have to kill children. But the fault of

1504
01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:16.399
<v Speaker 3>that is on Hamas. Haramas started a war and the

1505
01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:19.199
<v Speaker 3>only way to defeat defeat them, The only way to

1506
01:36:19.279 --> 01:36:24.199
<v Speaker 3>destroy them is fuel where some children are going to die.

1507
01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:28.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm start yes, I mean, if you want to ask

1508
01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:30.319
<v Speaker 3>me if Ramas, if you want to ask me the history,

1509
01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:32.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm happy to go through the history. But absolutely Hamas

1510
01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:36.680
<v Speaker 3>started in two thousand and five. Is A left Gaza.

1511
01:36:37.680 --> 01:36:40.680
<v Speaker 3>Haramas could have done anything they wanted with Gauza. Is

1512
01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:43.359
<v Speaker 3>Old didn't tell them what kind of state to build.

1513
01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:46.399
<v Speaker 3>They could have turned Gaza into the Hong Kong of

1514
01:36:46.399 --> 01:36:51.760
<v Speaker 3>the Mediterranean. They chose to build tunnels to buy weapons

1515
01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:56.239
<v Speaker 3>to launch missiles into Israel. Israel didn't attack Hamas, didn't

1516
01:36:56.239 --> 01:37:00.800
<v Speaker 3>attack the Palestinians and Gaza. Gaza as a geographic political entity,

1517
01:37:02.159 --> 01:37:07.680
<v Speaker 3>was completely israe completely separated itself from Gaza. So who

1518
01:37:07.720 --> 01:37:10.159
<v Speaker 3>started but Israel.

1519
01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:13.640
<v Speaker 15>Did virtuous these beavers, which were a few balls.

1520
01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:14.680
<v Speaker 10>That was years ago.

1521
01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:18.000
<v Speaker 3>So the beepers in Chrisbella, not Ramas. Beepers who are

1522
01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:21.920
<v Speaker 3>in Lebanon not Ramas. Chrisbella is an enemy of Israel,

1523
01:37:21.960 --> 01:37:25.119
<v Speaker 3>trying to bomb Israel, trying to kill Israelis. They produced

1524
01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:28.439
<v Speaker 3>beepers in order to attack their enemy, not in that particular,

1525
01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:31.039
<v Speaker 3>not because they knew this war would happen, but because

1526
01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:33.479
<v Speaker 3>they knew a war would happen because krisbel has committed

1527
01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:36.560
<v Speaker 3>to war with Israel. So they built beepers in order

1528
01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:39.159
<v Speaker 3>for one day when the war comes, they'll have a

1529
01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:44.760
<v Speaker 3>strategic advantage over them. Butchzabella has been attacking Israel regularly.

1530
01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:48.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean Isabella Isbela attacked who started to attack Israel

1531
01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:52.760
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen eighty three. We're talking about forty years of

1532
01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:55.960
<v Speaker 3>a war initiated by Chrisbela. We're not talking about yesterday

1533
01:37:56.039 --> 01:37:59.119
<v Speaker 3>it started. This is forty years of Chris chrisbel Is

1534
01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:03.359
<v Speaker 3>in Lebanon. What do they have against Israel? Anyway?

1535
01:38:04.199 --> 01:38:08.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So, if I understand, you're arguing to start killing

1536
01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:18.239
<v Speaker 5>hundreds of thousands of people. If I understand, but I

1537
01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:19.920
<v Speaker 5>I might be wrong name, But I don't think that's

1538
01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:21.359
<v Speaker 5>how we won the Second World War.

1539
01:38:22.079 --> 01:38:23.439
<v Speaker 1>How did you do in the Second World War?

1540
01:38:24.159 --> 01:38:25.439
<v Speaker 17>Well, both by killing?

1541
01:38:26.359 --> 01:38:30.359
<v Speaker 3>Really, really, you should study the Second World War then, So, so,

1542
01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:33.439
<v Speaker 3>for example, when the when the Allies invaded northern France.

1543
01:38:34.079 --> 01:38:36.760
<v Speaker 3>When they invaded France, what do you think they did

1544
01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Before the invasion actually occurred, Every town along the northern

1545
01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:46.439
<v Speaker 3>coast of France was bombed basically into oblivion. Who died there?

1546
01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:51.079
<v Speaker 3>Some Nazis, mostly French people died there. Hundreds of thousands

1547
01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:54.600
<v Speaker 3>of French died in the invasion of the invasion of

1548
01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:58.039
<v Speaker 3>France by not by the Nazis, by the Americans and

1549
01:38:58.079 --> 01:38:59.520
<v Speaker 3>the British and the French themselves.

1550
01:39:01.279 --> 01:39:01.720
<v Speaker 10>That's true.

1551
01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:06.039
<v Speaker 5>But still I don't think have I killed more innocent

1552
01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:08.079
<v Speaker 5>people in the Second World War than the nuns.

1553
01:39:09.800 --> 01:39:12.640
<v Speaker 3>I haven't run the numbers, but it could very well be.

1554
01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:15.159
<v Speaker 3>But it's not a numbers gate. My point is not

1555
01:39:15.199 --> 01:39:17.600
<v Speaker 3>how many people you kill. The point is you have

1556
01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:20.920
<v Speaker 3>to make it clear to the enemy that they cannot

1557
01:39:20.960 --> 01:39:24.279
<v Speaker 3>be successful under any circumstances. If that means killing one person, great,

1558
01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:27.000
<v Speaker 3>only kill one person. If it means killing more than that,

1559
01:39:27.039 --> 01:39:29.279
<v Speaker 3>then you kill as many as necessary to end the war.

1560
01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:32.159
<v Speaker 3>As long as they believe they can be successful in

1561
01:39:32.199 --> 01:39:35.359
<v Speaker 3>the future. The war never ends, and the war's not ended.

1562
01:39:35.600 --> 01:39:38.000
<v Speaker 3>We've been going at it for seventy years, eighty years,

1563
01:39:38.359 --> 01:39:41.039
<v Speaker 3>one hundred years, right, and it's not ended. Just what

1564
01:39:41.359 --> 01:39:44.000
<v Speaker 3>everybody calls a cycle of violence. But the way to

1565
01:39:44.119 --> 01:39:46.279
<v Speaker 3>end that cycle of violence is for one party to

1566
01:39:46.319 --> 01:39:50.800
<v Speaker 3>defeat the other part more violence to end the violence.

1567
01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:53.560
<v Speaker 3>You cannot end a cycle of violence without more violence.

1568
01:39:53.600 --> 01:40:00.359
<v Speaker 5>Yes, but then doesn't understot another cycle of violence because systematically.

1569
01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:04.399
<v Speaker 3>Killing so he was Shumannagasaki. Did that end the violence

1570
01:40:05.479 --> 01:40:09.199
<v Speaker 3>or did it start new violence? Did Japanese now regularly

1571
01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:11.439
<v Speaker 3>kill Americans because they're upset about he was human a

1572
01:40:11.439 --> 01:40:16.479
<v Speaker 3>Gasaki No ended the violence, and it ended it for good, right,

1573
01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Overwhelming force ends violence. Yes, okay, so did flattening of

1574
01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:28.159
<v Speaker 3>dressden in American occupation of building and Russian occupation of Billiding,

1575
01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:31.479
<v Speaker 3>which you see from more brutal. Then that ended. German

1576
01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:37.199
<v Speaker 3>aggression ended German aggression. Violence ended aggression violence. You know,

1577
01:40:37.880 --> 01:40:39.399
<v Speaker 3>at the end of the day, you don't get peace

1578
01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:40.960
<v Speaker 3>until one side beats the other.

1579
01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:42.399
<v Speaker 1>Let's following.

1580
01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:46.680
<v Speaker 3>We are too sol as a result Russia.

1581
01:40:47.199 --> 01:40:50.960
<v Speaker 2>So we at Europe a waste of live Russians and

1582
01:40:51.079 --> 01:40:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Ukrainians are being very soft and and said, oh we

1583
01:40:54.720 --> 01:40:55.840
<v Speaker 2>can't be to Harvard Russia.

1584
01:40:55.960 --> 01:40:59.640
<v Speaker 3>No, we should have been brutal back being without its gone.

1585
01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:02.760
<v Speaker 3>And I mean the challenge you have with Russia is

1586
01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:05.079
<v Speaker 3>they have nukes. That's they That doesn't exist elsewhere in

1587
01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:07.680
<v Speaker 3>the world. So it's a challenge, but it's but it's

1588
01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:12.840
<v Speaker 3>absolutely true. You can't. There's never been lasting peace generated

1589
01:41:13.159 --> 01:41:16.319
<v Speaker 3>by a compromise between the good guys and the bad guys.

1590
01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:20.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm open to being proved wrong.

1591
01:41:20.439 --> 01:41:24.800
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, okay, so he said, God, I could have become

1592
01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:30.880
<v Speaker 10>the homecom cossibility. He also said that Christisue has been

1593
01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:33.479
<v Speaker 10>cut off Monster Murger and God that has been okayd

1594
01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:37.840
<v Speaker 10>by Israel for what as you become wealthy and plospersonation,

1595
01:41:38.399 --> 01:41:40.800
<v Speaker 10>which does really not very fortunate.

1596
01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:45.119
<v Speaker 3>Gause it didn't have to be blockaded. Gauza bought the

1597
01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:48.680
<v Speaker 3>blockade on itself. If you if you sit there and

1598
01:41:48.720 --> 01:41:52.000
<v Speaker 3>you launch rockets into your neighbor, the neighbor is not

1599
01:41:52.079 --> 01:41:55.119
<v Speaker 3>going to allow weapons systems to come into your country.

1600
01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:58.920
<v Speaker 3>So the blockade was an interesting blockade before before the war,

1601
01:41:59.359 --> 01:42:02.960
<v Speaker 3>Uh God, dozens would come into Israel to work. Over

1602
01:42:02.960 --> 01:42:05.520
<v Speaker 3>one hundred thousand garzens came into Israel to work. That's

1603
01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:08.840
<v Speaker 3>how big the billk was. Food would go into Gaza,

1604
01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:12.000
<v Speaker 3>water would go into Gaza, Electricity would go into Gaza

1605
01:42:12.039 --> 01:42:15.960
<v Speaker 3>from Israel. It's not a brocade exactly. They got billions

1606
01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:19.119
<v Speaker 3>and billions and billions of dollars from Kuwait and from

1607
01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:22.680
<v Speaker 3>Katar and from all these countries. They could have built anything.

1608
01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:26.680
<v Speaker 3>They could have built beaches and hotels. Israel would have said, cool,

1609
01:42:27.039 --> 01:42:29.439
<v Speaker 3>we don't want to blockade you for the sake of lockading.

1610
01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:33.640
<v Speaker 3>The only reason they were blockaded is because weapons were

1611
01:42:33.640 --> 01:42:39.319
<v Speaker 3>being smuggled in in order to attack Israel. If your

1612
01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:43.399
<v Speaker 3>neighbor is smuggling weapons to try to kill you, yeah,

1613
01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:47.479
<v Speaker 3>blockading is the least thing you should do against.

1614
01:42:50.760 --> 01:42:56.159
<v Speaker 17>Yeah. With a solution of first destroying and then giving

1615
01:42:56.199 --> 01:43:01.479
<v Speaker 17>an alternative, what alternative future will give? Perfly the example

1616
01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:03.800
<v Speaker 17>of Japan, they got their.

1617
01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Own states, yep, yep.

1618
01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:07.960
<v Speaker 17>So that's a two state solution.

1619
01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think the two options that Israel would embrace

1620
01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:14.479
<v Speaker 3>in a circumstance like that. One's a two state solution,

1621
01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:17.119
<v Speaker 3>one's a one state solution. But the two state solution,

1622
01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:19.600
<v Speaker 3>I have nothing in answer to state solution. Most Israelis

1623
01:43:19.880 --> 01:43:22.279
<v Speaker 3>would give a thumbs up to two state solution tomorrow

1624
01:43:22.600 --> 01:43:26.680
<v Speaker 3>if they believe the Palestinians are willing to establish a

1625
01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:31.279
<v Speaker 3>relatively free a state that is focused on progress and

1626
01:43:31.359 --> 01:43:34.239
<v Speaker 3>advancements and prosperity and things like that instead of war.

1627
01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:37.800
<v Speaker 3>If the Palestinians are committed to war, which they are

1628
01:43:37.920 --> 01:43:41.239
<v Speaker 3>and have been, and they haven't shown any indication otherwise,

1629
01:43:41.760 --> 01:43:44.600
<v Speaker 3>then Israel cannot allow for two state solution because that

1630
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:47.479
<v Speaker 3>would put the Gaza Strip five miles from Tel Aviv.

1631
01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:50.840
<v Speaker 3>So it would make it it would make October seventh

1632
01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:53.720
<v Speaker 3>a cakewalkers compared to war was coming in the future.

1633
01:43:54.000 --> 01:44:00.000
<v Speaker 3>So once the Palestinians are committed an actual peaceful, productive country,

1634
01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:02.279
<v Speaker 3>problem with the two state solutions. On the other hand,

1635
01:44:02.359 --> 01:44:04.920
<v Speaker 3>once they committed to that, there's also no problem with

1636
01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:08.239
<v Speaker 3>one state solution. Have them integrated into Israel, give them

1637
01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:11.079
<v Speaker 3>full equal rights together with Israelis. They can vote, they

1638
01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:13.560
<v Speaker 3>can do everything else, and there's a one state solution.

1639
01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:16.760
<v Speaker 3>Either one is fine. Nobody's you know, people are not

1640
01:44:16.800 --> 01:44:20.640
<v Speaker 3>objecting to these solutions. As long as the palestine Is

1641
01:44:20.640 --> 01:44:22.960
<v Speaker 3>are willing to be peaceful. As long as they committed

1642
01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:24.239
<v Speaker 3>to violence, there is no solution.

1643
01:44:27.479 --> 01:44:33.600
<v Speaker 13>Yes, So you said Arder that lost of peace requires

1644
01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:37.760
<v Speaker 13>two steps. First military physical defeat, yes, and the second

1645
01:44:37.760 --> 01:44:41.359
<v Speaker 13>step is ichnological concernative to what they have now.

1646
01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:50.079
<v Speaker 12>Talking about that second fourth often you crushed alas it's

1647
01:44:50.119 --> 01:44:53.279
<v Speaker 12>not make extremism in the region.

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<v Speaker 7>A big difference that I see that or something in

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01:44:58.159 --> 01:45:01.279
<v Speaker 7>Japan and Germany is that the Germans and the Japanese

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01:45:01.279 --> 01:45:04.319
<v Speaker 7>work included in that alternative ideology.

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01:45:05.319 --> 01:45:07.279
<v Speaker 18>They were taken up in the West.

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01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:09.560
<v Speaker 10>They were part of the story.

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01:45:09.319 --> 01:45:09.840
<v Speaker 17>Of that gloom.

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01:45:10.760 --> 01:45:15.079
<v Speaker 3>No, they won't. They want the Japanese. The only piece

1655
01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:19.000
<v Speaker 3>in the Japanese constitution is Japanese is the is the Emperor,

1656
01:45:19.720 --> 01:45:25.279
<v Speaker 3>but there's no other piece of japan and the Japanese constitution. Yes, yes,

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01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:28.039
<v Speaker 3>agreed absolutely in that sense. Absolutely yes.

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01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:34.000
<v Speaker 18>My question to you is well able to post an

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01:45:34.039 --> 01:45:38.439
<v Speaker 18>alternative ideology or do they need the West winning Arab

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01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:40.039
<v Speaker 18>countries in order.

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01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:44.119
<v Speaker 13>To tell the Kindestinians that they are part of ideology.

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01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:47.479
<v Speaker 3>So this partially depends on whether you won is still

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01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:51.800
<v Speaker 3>around and Iran spending money in order to undermine the Western,

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01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:55.640
<v Speaker 3>this Western liberalism that Israel might offer to the Palestinians.

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01:45:56.560 --> 01:45:58.560
<v Speaker 3>As long as they're around trying to undermine it, it's

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01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:00.720
<v Speaker 3>going to be very difficult or other Arab countries that

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01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:04.640
<v Speaker 3>might be undermining it. And this also depends on whether

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01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:07.920
<v Speaker 3>the Palestians feel defeated and open to this new ideology.

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01:46:08.239 --> 01:46:11.159
<v Speaker 3>But yes, I think Israel can offer a Western vision.

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01:46:11.239 --> 01:46:14.279
<v Speaker 3>I think Israel is such a Western liberal country. I

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01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:17.279
<v Speaker 3>mean it's a it's it's it's exactly what Israel is.

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01:46:17.560 --> 01:46:21.560
<v Speaker 3>So all the Palestenians have to do is copyism.

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01:46:20.560 --> 01:46:23.800
<v Speaker 12>And what would be your role of winning countries in

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01:46:23.800 --> 01:46:27.079
<v Speaker 12>the Native for example, to golf States, which a couple

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01:46:27.119 --> 01:46:29.399
<v Speaker 12>of years ago signed Abraham of Courts.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think I think their role would be

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01:46:34.640 --> 01:46:38.800
<v Speaker 3>to financially to do a Marshall's plan, right, so they

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01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:42.319
<v Speaker 3>basically provide the financing for the rebuilding of Gaza and

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01:46:42.319 --> 01:46:45.479
<v Speaker 3>rebuilding of the West Bank and creating the economic opportunity

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01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:49.119
<v Speaker 3>to go that that begin. You know, there will thrive

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01:46:49.199 --> 01:46:52.479
<v Speaker 3>under Western liberalism. But without the Western liberalism, the money

1682
01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:55.560
<v Speaker 3>won't do anything. The money is only a value if

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01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:58.760
<v Speaker 3>you also have a Western liberal you know, a political

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01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:02.680
<v Speaker 3>system to go with the money. So the Gulf States

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01:47:02.720 --> 01:47:05.239
<v Speaker 3>can you know, they're not gonna prove this is the problem.

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01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:07.159
<v Speaker 3>They're not gonna be happy about the Western liberalism, right

1687
01:47:07.159 --> 01:47:10.119
<v Speaker 3>because they're our Western liberal countries. Dubai is not a

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01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:13.319
<v Speaker 3>Western liberal place. You might go there and be fooled

1689
01:47:13.319 --> 01:47:15.760
<v Speaker 3>by it, but it's not. It's it's a it's an

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01:47:15.800 --> 01:47:21.159
<v Speaker 3>authoritary state, which it prevents presents a Disneyland for Western visitors.

1691
01:47:21.199 --> 01:47:23.720
<v Speaker 3>But it lives in a in a a in an

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01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:27.039
<v Speaker 3>alternative universe. But they could totally buy the funding to

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01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:29.279
<v Speaker 3>make it all possible. They did, right, They provided the

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01:47:29.279 --> 01:47:33.800
<v Speaker 3>funding for Hamas all these years. Kamas used it, not

1695
01:47:33.840 --> 01:47:37.239
<v Speaker 3>to establish a Western liberal society. They used it to

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01:47:37.239 --> 01:47:39.520
<v Speaker 3>buy weapons in the build tunnels and to and to

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01:47:39.680 --> 01:47:43.159
<v Speaker 3>and to build up uh their ability to aggress against

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01:47:43.239 --> 01:47:45.680
<v Speaker 3>his will. And that's what cannot be allowed.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, let's turn around.

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01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:52.079
<v Speaker 10>What if.

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01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:58.960
<v Speaker 15>Uses this solution, What if he just bumps ukraying all

1702
01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:01.479
<v Speaker 15>the way to the grad, it'll well be the end

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01:48:01.479 --> 01:48:04.399
<v Speaker 15>of the Lord start off the worl War three.

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01:48:04.439 --> 01:48:08.399
<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, I don't know. I mean, it's all like

1705
01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:10.520
<v Speaker 3>the contact of World War three. I think is bizult.

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01:48:11.039 --> 01:48:12.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't think we're going to We're heading towards World

1707
01:48:12.920 --> 01:48:16.039
<v Speaker 3>War three. Putin is trying to do exactly that. He

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01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:18.479
<v Speaker 3>just said that he's targeting all of Kiev and he's

1709
01:48:18.479 --> 01:48:20.119
<v Speaker 3>going to try to flatten it. He tries, he's tried

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01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:21.760
<v Speaker 3>to do that from the beginning of the war. The

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01:48:21.800 --> 01:48:24.479
<v Speaker 3>bad guys never have a problem trying to flatten and

1712
01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:31.359
<v Speaker 3>destroy their enemy. He is consciously continuously targeted civilians in

1713
01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Ukraine and civilian infrastructure in Ukraine constantly. But look, there

1714
01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:39.840
<v Speaker 3>is a difference between good guys and bad guys. And

1715
01:48:41.039 --> 01:48:45.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, bad guys will always try to kill as

1716
01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:47.560
<v Speaker 3>many people as they can, and they do it for

1717
01:48:47.600 --> 01:48:51.560
<v Speaker 3>the same reason they're trying to subjugate the population. If

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01:48:51.640 --> 01:48:54.520
<v Speaker 3>Putin flattens Ukraine, you think the West will intervene, there'll

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01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:56.840
<v Speaker 3>be no Third World War. They'll just give up Ukraine

1720
01:48:56.840 --> 01:49:00.319
<v Speaker 3>and hand it over to Pudtin. He'll win, which is

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01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:03.479
<v Speaker 3>exactly my point. That's how you win, whether we like

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01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:05.760
<v Speaker 3>it or not, that leads to victory.

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01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:08.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and doing that one would you still be the

1724
01:49:08.680 --> 01:49:12.039
<v Speaker 5>good guys because you are killing millions?

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01:49:12.199 --> 01:49:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Because the good guys bad guys is not determined by

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01:49:14.600 --> 01:49:17.199
<v Speaker 3>how many people or what people you kill. Good guys

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01:49:17.199 --> 01:49:19.479
<v Speaker 3>and bad guys is determined by what you're fighting for

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01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:21.199
<v Speaker 3>and who started the war.

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01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:24.279
<v Speaker 5>Well, yes, in a war, are there even good guys?

1730
01:49:24.399 --> 01:49:27.840
<v Speaker 5>Because either side is killing hundreds of thousands of people.

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01:49:28.199 --> 01:49:30.159
<v Speaker 3>That's why I said the standard of good guys and

1732
01:49:30.199 --> 01:49:32.399
<v Speaker 3>bad guys is not how many people you kill, not

1733
01:49:32.520 --> 01:49:35.159
<v Speaker 3>who you kill, but what you're fighting for and who

1734
01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:37.880
<v Speaker 3>started the war. If you start a war, you're the

1735
01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:40.880
<v Speaker 3>bad guy by definition. Putin's a bad guy by definition,

1736
01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:44.640
<v Speaker 3>he started the war. The Hamasa's bad guy by definition,

1737
01:49:44.720 --> 01:49:47.560
<v Speaker 3>they started the war. The second aspect is what are

1738
01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:50.319
<v Speaker 3>you fighting for? If you're fighting like Putin, you know

1739
01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:54.840
<v Speaker 3>to establish authority, dictatorial authority over people, you're the bad

1740
01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:58.479
<v Speaker 3>guy by definition. If you're fighting a warrier to establish freedom,

1741
01:49:58.640 --> 01:50:00.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, to deliberate a peace people, you're the good

1742
01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:03.920
<v Speaker 3>guy by definition. So it's not an issue. We don't

1743
01:50:03.920 --> 01:50:06.479
<v Speaker 3>count bodies in World War Two and say the Allies

1744
01:50:06.479 --> 01:50:08.239
<v Speaker 3>were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad

1745
01:50:08.239 --> 01:50:10.720
<v Speaker 3>guys because the Allies kid fewer people. That's not the

1746
01:50:10.760 --> 01:50:13.960
<v Speaker 3>stand about what you evaluate. Nazis started the war, and

1747
01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:18.640
<v Speaker 3>the Nazis wanted to build to bring oppression and toutalitarianism

1748
01:50:18.840 --> 01:50:22.680
<v Speaker 3>to the world, and the Allies were fighting for freedom

1749
01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:25.479
<v Speaker 3>and they were fighting in their own self defense. That's

1750
01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:27.239
<v Speaker 3>what makes them good guys, not how many people they

1751
01:50:27.319 --> 01:50:31.600
<v Speaker 3>killed or didn't kill. It's also, i would say, it's

1752
01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:34.680
<v Speaker 3>the gratuitousness of it, right, The Allies killed a lot

1753
01:50:34.680 --> 01:50:37.680
<v Speaker 3>of Germans, a lot of Germans. They didn't set up

1754
01:50:37.960 --> 01:50:41.560
<v Speaker 3>industrial camps by which to kill them. They didn't rape

1755
01:50:41.560 --> 01:50:44.159
<v Speaker 3>and pellage for the sake of Rapian pillage and filmed

1756
01:50:44.159 --> 01:50:46.399
<v Speaker 3>it all and put it up on TikTok. It's a

1757
01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:50.239
<v Speaker 3>big difference between just a mentality of an army that

1758
01:50:50.319 --> 01:50:53.000
<v Speaker 3>does that versus the mentality of an army that is

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01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:54.159
<v Speaker 3>trying to defend itself.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, further understand it. And then the government come up

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01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:02.279
<v Speaker 10>much less centralized.

1762
01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:06.479
<v Speaker 3>And much more much more what much more? What then.

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01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:13.720
<v Speaker 10>More like a gorilla gorilla style compared to your Nazi Germany.

1764
01:51:13.960 --> 01:51:17.520
<v Speaker 10>Ends doesn't not also make it a lot harder to

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01:51:18.880 --> 01:51:19.359
<v Speaker 10>destroy you?

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01:51:20.479 --> 01:51:23.000
<v Speaker 3>None of that is true, But it's just not true.

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01:51:24.840 --> 01:51:27.319
<v Speaker 3>It gozs To had two million people, two million people

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01:51:27.359 --> 01:51:31.199
<v Speaker 3>in It had clearly a political leadership. It clearly had

1769
01:51:31.199 --> 01:51:34.920
<v Speaker 3>its Hitler, It clearly had its gobbles, It clearly had

1770
01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:39.359
<v Speaker 3>a whole infrastructure that ran the Gauza Strip. There was nothing, uh,

1771
01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:42.680
<v Speaker 3>what do you call gorilla about it? They were they

1772
01:51:42.720 --> 01:51:44.960
<v Speaker 3>were weak. So if you want to, if you want

1773
01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:47.600
<v Speaker 3>to say Hamasa the good guys, because they're weak. But no,

1774
01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:50.399
<v Speaker 3>they were weak, But that didn't make them gorilla. They

1775
01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:53.479
<v Speaker 3>were getting huge amounts of money. They were organizing massive

1776
01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:57.079
<v Speaker 3>infrastructure projects to build tunnels to be able to get

1777
01:51:57.119 --> 01:52:00.359
<v Speaker 3>into inside Israel. They were they were building owns and

1778
01:52:00.359 --> 01:52:03.520
<v Speaker 3>missiles and these capabilities, not guerrillas style. They were doing

1779
01:52:03.600 --> 01:52:06.960
<v Speaker 3>it as a government of a territory.

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01:52:07.680 --> 01:52:11.680
<v Speaker 10>My point was more in Jermy that I like destroying

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01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:15.720
<v Speaker 10>school the institutions eventually going to replaced it. Question is,

1782
01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:23.520
<v Speaker 10>and those institutions were basically where embedded. Yes, it is

1783
01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:27.199
<v Speaker 10>possible to do that as much than gone.

1784
01:52:27.279 --> 01:52:32.439
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, so so the fundamental institutions in Gaza, the

1785
01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:36.159
<v Speaker 3>schools where this ideology is being taught and young kids

1786
01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:39.640
<v Speaker 3>are being trained to be suicide bombers. You know, this

1787
01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:42.079
<v Speaker 3>is this is the big opposition to UNA, the UN

1788
01:52:42.159 --> 01:52:44.199
<v Speaker 3>organization that is doing much of the training of these

1789
01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:47.920
<v Speaker 3>young children. The institutions and government institutions where they have

1790
01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:53.399
<v Speaker 3>been authoritarian top down and the dictatorial that can be replaced,

1791
01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:57.359
<v Speaker 3>and then ultimately religion and that is a challenge. The

1792
01:52:57.399 --> 01:53:02.159
<v Speaker 3>biggest challenge is how do you replace the reliefous institutions

1793
01:53:01.439 --> 01:53:05.640
<v Speaker 3>that encouraged this authoritarianism. How do you replace it with

1794
01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:09.000
<v Speaker 3>call it moderate Islam, call it some kind of reformed

1795
01:53:09.159 --> 01:53:12.760
<v Speaker 3>Islam that is more modored. And that's where you know,

1796
01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:15.640
<v Speaker 3>the Palaestinis could get some help maybe from other Arab

1797
01:53:15.720 --> 01:53:20.479
<v Speaker 3>countries that have more moderate Islamic forces, but it's the

1798
01:53:20.520 --> 01:53:22.319
<v Speaker 3>same institutions have to be replaced.

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01:53:23.560 --> 01:53:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we have to stop for now. Thank you

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01:53:26.840 --> 01:53:31.279
<v Speaker 1>very much, Thank you very much for this long interview.

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01:53:37.720 --> 01:53:40.479
<v Speaker 1>I think it's fantastic that we have been able to

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01:53:40.600 --> 01:53:44.520
<v Speaker 1>discuss in what you say. It's always controversial what I say,

1803
01:53:44.600 --> 01:53:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and we didn't have any fight in here, so that's

1804
01:53:46.680 --> 01:53:50.439
<v Speaker 1>already a win. So that's great. I'd like to invite

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01:53:50.479 --> 01:53:53.800
<v Speaker 1>you all to Mendeville now, because I think we rented

1806
01:53:53.800 --> 01:53:56.840
<v Speaker 1>this place till six o'clock, so we nearly were nearly there,

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01:53:57.560 --> 01:54:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and then we can have a drink and we also

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01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:02.239
<v Speaker 1>so I have a little bit a program later on,

1809
01:54:02.319 --> 01:54:04.960
<v Speaker 1>so everybody is invited to Mandeville. But before that, I

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01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:09.880
<v Speaker 1>have two remarks. This whole idea that why I invited

1811
01:54:09.920 --> 01:54:13.359
<v Speaker 1>everybody is that I like to say something positive about Ironn.

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01:54:13.439 --> 01:54:17.199
<v Speaker 1>But you begin loving iron by reading her novels. And

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01:54:17.279 --> 01:54:19.600
<v Speaker 1>for those of you who don't have read her books

1814
01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:23.079
<v Speaker 1>or don't have the possession, I have put two major

1815
01:54:23.119 --> 01:54:25.479
<v Speaker 1>ones on the table in the back, so you can

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01:54:25.600 --> 01:54:29.279
<v Speaker 1>take one of the Fountainet one of Edwards Rut and

1817
01:54:29.359 --> 01:54:32.399
<v Speaker 1>I think this is fantastic reading for those who haven't started.

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01:54:32.960 --> 01:54:36.520
<v Speaker 1>And the second point I promised to give Jonatan a

1819
01:54:36.560 --> 01:54:39.800
<v Speaker 1>few minutes to express how you can even learn more

1820
01:54:39.960 --> 01:54:42.680
<v Speaker 1>about iron Rent and objectivism.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, yam.

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01:54:43.960 --> 01:54:46.560
<v Speaker 19>It's it's been so great to come here second year

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01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:48.960
<v Speaker 19>in a row. Its really fantastic, and thank you all

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01:54:48.960 --> 01:54:53.560
<v Speaker 19>for joining us. Also thank you for Robert for sponsoring

1825
01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:57.399
<v Speaker 19>the books, and you also did last year's so very

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01:54:57.399 --> 01:55:03.239
<v Speaker 19>generous of you. Just two things, my friends are handing

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01:55:03.239 --> 01:55:07.239
<v Speaker 19>you now fliers for free digital books that you can

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01:55:07.279 --> 01:55:09.760
<v Speaker 19>also get all of the literature besides of what we

1829
01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:13.199
<v Speaker 19>have over there, So it's meant for students. It's one

1830
01:55:13.239 --> 01:55:15.039
<v Speaker 19>of our programs at the Ana Institute, So if you

1831
01:55:15.079 --> 01:55:17.520
<v Speaker 19>have somebody who wish to give a book for free,

1832
01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:21.079
<v Speaker 19>you can use the link there. And the second thing,

1833
01:55:21.800 --> 01:55:25.359
<v Speaker 19>they're handing out flyers for the Iron Rand conference we're

1834
01:55:25.359 --> 01:55:31.000
<v Speaker 19>having in Berlin in Mertz next year. It's going to

1835
01:55:31.079 --> 01:55:34.720
<v Speaker 19>be a weekend where we discuss these ideas in a

1836
01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:35.920
<v Speaker 19>very profound way.

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01:55:36.399 --> 01:55:38.479
<v Speaker 3>It's going to be mostly oriented about.

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01:55:38.640 --> 01:55:41.560
<v Speaker 19>Rand's approach to politics, so a lot of what we

1839
01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:46.279
<v Speaker 19>talked about individual rights here, capitalism and those things that

1840
01:55:46.319 --> 01:55:49.159
<v Speaker 19>we offer scholarships, So at the flyer you can apply

1841
01:55:49.960 --> 01:55:53.520
<v Speaker 19>for a scholarship, especially if you have read any of

1842
01:55:53.640 --> 01:55:55.039
<v Speaker 19>Rand's books previously.

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01:55:55.119 --> 01:55:56.600
<v Speaker 3>It's very good for you.

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01:55:57.600 --> 01:55:59.920
<v Speaker 19>If you're an adult and can pay for your own

1845
01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:02.439
<v Speaker 19>you can also very much encourage to do that on

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01:56:02.479 --> 01:56:05.199
<v Speaker 19>our website. So hopefully we'll see you in Berlin and

1847
01:56:05.640 --> 01:56:07.479
<v Speaker 19>too many more times here in Halda.

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01:56:07.560 --> 01:56:08.319
<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much.

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01:56:13.199 --> 01:56:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks again for coming, and let's have a drink

1850
01:56:16.319 --> 01:56:21.039
<v Speaker 1>to celebrate this fantastic new material to work out with

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01:56:21.159 --> 01:56:21.560
<v Speaker 1>each other.
