WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:01.879 You'll be away five seventeen. 2 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:04.879 Do you want to report a UFO hanging in? 3 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:08.560 We don't want to report every thirty one. 4 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:09.480 Do you wish to report a. 5 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.960 UFO over hey, we want to one of those. 6 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:15.439 Data areas thirty one. 7 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.160 Do you wish to find a report of any kind 8 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:20.719 of it? I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, 9 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:27.199 time areas thirty one me neither there. See if it 10 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:31.480 was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty seconds ago, 11 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:35.560 we were sending one top of golf negative, okay, off 12 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:39.960 fi the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, 13 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:44.079 I'll passed over, I go. I don't know what it was, 14 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:47.280 but it's from at least to three thousand feet above us. See, 15 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:53.479 I passed right over the top of us ninety one one. 16 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:55.039 You just called both to be be four. 17 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:58.679 They're after staying the airplanes. 18 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:00.520 He is. 19 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:07.519 To God on an unidentified object, every liberty or call 20 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:10.239 or calm on an unidentified flying object. 21 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.280 Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their 22 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:25.000 experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter, 23 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.560 I would like to be on the show. You can 24 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:47.879 email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 25 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:51.079 Hello everyone, and welcome to this show. How are you 26 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:53.879 all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO 27 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:58.200 Chronicles podcast. In this episode, we meet Kelly, calling from 28 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:02.519 the state of Maryland, share her lifetime of encounters, from 29 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:06.359 childhood visions of translucent beings with hollow eyes to a 30 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.439 glowing football shaped light in the night sky that seemed 31 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:12.400 to know it was being watched. Along the way came 32 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:16.360 haunted apartments, weegi boards, and the moment she discovered the 33 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:19.759 book Communion and realized she wasn't alone in what she 34 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:23.319 had seen. These are stories of faith, fear, and persistence, 35 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:27.719 woven through decades of strange experiences that blur the lines 36 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:34.159 between spirits, aliens, and something far stranger. Kelly is up next, 37 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:36.599 but first, if you enjoyed the show and you would 38 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.560 like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you can 39 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:41.879 do this for as little as one dollar a month. 40 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:45.680 Head on over to patreon dot com forward slash UFO 41 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.479 Chronicles podcast. You can also find a link in the 42 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:52.159 description of this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. 43 00:02:52.479 --> 00:03:11.560 Now on with the show. Kelly, Welcome to the podcast. 44 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:13.680 Hi, Thank you. 45 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:16.759 It is great to have you with us today and 46 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:20.680 you're calling from the state of Maryland in the US. 47 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.599 Yes, I'm actually I spent most of my life in 48 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.439 New York, New York City, and I grew up in Pennsylvania. 49 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:29.280 So I was in New York City for thirty five 50 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:33.400 years and I've been Maryland for a month, not very long. 51 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:35.400 That's not long at all. And do you like it? 52 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:40.400 Yes, miss, a completely different animal, as they say, but 53 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:44.439 still you know, just as people. There's people here and 54 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:47.840 that's they have people everywhere and ghosts. 55 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:52.719 Ah that you're certainly right there. Wonderful. Okay, Now, Kelly, 56 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:55.400 you have some experiences you're going to be sharing of us. 57 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:57.840 Would you like to start at the beginning, please, ma'am. 58 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:01.360 Yes. What I did was I made a list of 59 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:04.680 some things that were important to me that happened and 60 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:08.319 they were basically different times in my life. So I 61 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.759 was born in nineteen sixty three, and so that just 62 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:15.479 gives you a timeline of when these things would have happened. 63 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:19.519 And so you know, I hesitate. I'm self editing because 64 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:22.439 I don't want to offend people, because I just have 65 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:26.639 my experiences and so my life, my philosophy in life 66 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:30.040 is kind of based on my experiences. It's not based 67 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:33.120 on anything. Like an example would be when I was four, 68 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:35.639 a man I think I was at some sort of 69 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:38.319 Bible school, like my parents dropped us off as like 70 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:41.240 a babysitting service, and this man came up to me 71 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:43.199 and he I think he was trying to present the 72 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:46.600 gospel to a four year old, and he said, you know, 73 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:49.480 if you're ever afraid or you need anything, you can 74 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:52.800 call on Jesus like that, right, And I was four, 75 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:55.759 So I was like, Okay, I got it. But then 76 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:57.720 like they also told me there was a Santa Claus 77 00:04:57.720 --> 00:04:59.759 and an Easter Bunny and you know things like that. 78 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.240 So I mean, you could have told me anything really right, 79 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.360 But I decided to check it out one time and 80 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.160 it worked. The idea is that it became like my 81 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:12.439 go to or my paradigm for how I perceived my life. 82 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:15.319 And I don't know that many Christians would acknowledge me 83 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.079 as a Christian, but I think that my experience is 84 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:22.839 that I believe in Jesus. But what happens is I 85 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:24.879 realized when I was preparing for this that I have 86 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:30.319 a whole timeline of experiences where Jesus just sort of 87 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.519 showed up or helped or whatever like whatever. Jesus. I 88 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.800 believe Jesus was an actual person, but I think that 89 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:42.439 he had a very paranormal existence. And I started reading 90 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.399 the Bible, and the Bible is very paranormal, right. I 91 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:48.120 mean you can't even open it anywhere just randomly and 92 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:53.000 not find some crazy paranormal reference, right, And so people 93 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:55.560 ask the question, you know, are we alone? But I 94 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:59.639 think many ancient texts, like even there's a man called 95 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.079 Finkl and he works for the British Museum and he's 96 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:08.920 the head of the Cuneiform collection, and he's been translating them, right, 97 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:12.720 he reads corneiform, and he has something like nine hundred 98 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:18.279 tablets and they're all what he calls exorcism tablets. And apparently, 99 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:22.040 like at some time in the distant past, people had 100 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:26.759 problems with the paranormal, like with spirits bothering them, and 101 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:29.360 so they would go to a shaman or a priest 102 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.079 or someone, and then they would write like a recipe 103 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.839 or prescription on how to get rid of the spirit. 104 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:40.079 And so these tablets were the prescription that these was 105 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:42.639 written for these people, and then they would bury it 106 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.759 under their home and that's why their excavators are finding 107 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:49.720 these tablets is because they've been intentionally buried. It's a 108 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:53.560 great book. It's called The History of Ghosts, Doctor Irving 109 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:58.360 Finkel with an fi NK. I think it's L. E. L. Finkl. 110 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:02.519 And I actually purchased this book because on Facebook in 111 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:06.319 twenty twenty, Irving Finkel promised that he was going to 112 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.879 read a ghost story on Halloween from his book, and 113 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.639 he did. He read one of the excerpts from the book, 114 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:14.680 and I just thought, oh, I have to have this book. 115 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:18.600 So these tablets are six, like between three and six 116 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:20.759 thousand years old. I mean I might be misquoting that, 117 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.120 but they're very old tablets, and they predate the Bible, 118 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:28.199 they predate you know, lots of other and I haven't 119 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.720 just read the Bible. But when I was in college, 120 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:33.360 I was an art major, so I had the freedom 121 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:37.600 to do research, right, and so something I'll just share 122 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:41.439 because this was kind of the foundation. It became like 123 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:45.079 the foundation of my life was when I was nine. 124 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.399 And again this lets you know I wasn't a traditional 125 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:51.319 Christian by any stretch of the word. But when I 126 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:55.160 was eight, my grandmother passed away and so when I 127 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.120 was shortly after that, she was buried on my birthday. 128 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.279 So shortly after that, I was nine, and I had 129 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:05.839 this experience where I woke up. It was nighttime, obviously, 130 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:08.519 and my parents were not awake, so the house was 131 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.920 dark and it was quiet, and so I was going 132 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:15.279 to just go back to sleep, and everything was kind 133 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.199 of fuzzy, like the darkness was kind of fuzzy, and 134 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.279 I thought maybe it was my eyes, right, So I 135 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:24.079 was kind of rubbing my eyes, thinking that I just 136 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:26.319 wanted to clear my eyes and then go back to sleep. 137 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:29.439 Except at some point I started to notice in the 138 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:33.440 fuzziness of the room there was like movement, and I 139 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.240 remember thinking, like, what is this? What? What is this? 140 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:40.440 I'm awake and I don't understand what this is. And I, 141 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:42.720 you know, grew up in a time period where we 142 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:47.039 had my Favorite Martian and Bewitched and Scooby Doo, you know, 143 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:50.519 so so I understood that weird things, you know, there 144 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:53.639 were references in my culture to weird things, but I 145 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:57.039 had never seen anything like what I was seeing. So 146 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.480 they were kind of transparent and they looked like they 147 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:02.960 were made up of the light of light particles. The 148 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:06.159 fuzziness seemed like it was just light particles, and then 149 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:09.480 as they came into focus, I realized I had no 150 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:12.799 vocabulary for what I was looking at. And they had 151 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:17.960 large dark eyes that, in my understanding were just hollow sockets, 152 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:22.120 like just darkness, like hollow darkness, and they seemed to 153 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.919 be discussing something, and I don't know. Someone said to 154 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.159 me once maybe it was telepathy, but I understood that 155 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.559 they were discussing me like there. Whatever they were, whatever 156 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:33.639 it was being discussed, it had something to do with me. 157 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:35.919 And the reason I'm telling you this is because this 158 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:39.480 experience became like a foundation for me trying to figure 159 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:42.679 out what's going on here and how does this fit 160 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:47.720 into reality. So I remember being afraid, and I remember 161 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:51.000 closing my eyes thinking it would disappear. I remember putting 162 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.519 the blankets over my head, like all the typical things 163 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:56.679 that you know that I did. And then I remember 164 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:00.039 calling out to my parents and they didn't respond, and 165 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:02.840 I remember thinking, Okay, I'm on my own here, so 166 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.559 I don't understand what's going on. So I called on 167 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:10.200 Jesus and they didn't leave immediately, but I could tell 168 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:14.519 that the conversation was ending, like whatever whatever they were 169 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:18.039 discussing was coming to an end, and one of them 170 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:20.679 came over to me, and I think it made the 171 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:23.679 motion of like kissing me good night and tucking in 172 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:26.159 my blankets and then going back to the group, and 173 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:31.759 then the whole thing disappeared. So I'm thinking I was 174 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:34.039 trying to make sense of this, and all I could 175 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:35.840 think of was, well, maybe that's what you look like 176 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.559 when you die. And maybe the one that came over 177 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:40.720 and kissed me good night was my grandmother, because that's 178 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:43.039 something she would have done. And so the next day, 179 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:45.440 when I was helping my mother with a project and 180 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.960 I remembered this what happened, and I told her, I said, oh, 181 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:52.559 I think Grandma visited me last night. And I expected, 182 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:55.120 you know, an adult to say something along the lines 183 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:58.759 of oh, you were probably dreaming, but instead my mother 184 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:02.759 was very supportive and said, oh, we heard you, like 185 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.039 when I called for them, they heard me. She said, 186 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:06.759 we were hoping you would just go back to sleep, 187 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:08.840 like you were having a bad dream. And so then 188 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:11.799 when I explained it that way, using the paradigm that 189 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:15.200 you know it was my grandmother visiting me, my mother said, 190 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.480 you know, she was a very interesting person, and she 191 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.320 basically said, someday, we can talk about it when you're older. 192 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:25.799 But it was nine and I needed answers. So apparently 193 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:28.279 my grandmother was very much into the occult or what 194 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.120 people would call the occult, but it was also combined 195 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:35.080 with her Christianity. So so for her it was like 196 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.639 she had a Oiji board and tarot cards and a 197 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.039 crystal ball and she would do readings for people and 198 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:44.480 it was all a part of her culture, you know, 199 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:46.799 it wasn't I don't think it was seen as anything 200 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:51.000 negative or wrong. And so after this I had an 201 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:54.279 opportunity to play with her Wigi board. It's not a game, 202 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:57.000 and so I didn't encourage people to do that, but 203 00:11:57.480 --> 00:11:59.759 I mean they can. I mean, I don't know. For me, 204 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.960 it was an opportunity where I was communicating with something 205 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:07.559 in the spirit, realm, right that I was getting answers 206 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:10.759 to questions that I didn't I was spelling words I 207 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:12.919 didn't even know how to spell, you know, So it 208 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.919 was very genuine, like I wasn't moving the plan set myself, 209 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.879 you know what I mean, Like its very real. So 210 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:23.840 the idea is that I didn't understand that these two 211 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.200 experiences could have been related, Like, it just never occurred 212 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.279 to me that they were connected until many years later, 213 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:33.240 and it is possible that they were connected. But whatever, 214 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.360 I communicated with new things about both sides of my family. 215 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:39.720 So I've been trying to piece the puzzle together. And 216 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.799 so if I'm presenting puzzle pieces, it's just because I'm 217 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.799 trying to piece the puzzle together. So the idea is 218 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.799 that between the Irvning Finkel and another man called doctor 219 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:55.320 Michael Heiser who passed away, but he was a Bible 220 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:59.799 scholar and he was like in his final year of 221 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:03.360 his doctorate, I think, and he read one of the 222 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:06.879 Psalms I think it was SAW eighty two in the 223 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:11.200 original language, and it just kind of popped out at 224 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:15.120 him as, wait this, they're talking about the Divine Council. 225 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:19.360 What's the divine council, you know? And so he wrote 226 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:22.799 a book called The Unseen Realm based on his Bible 227 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.679 research on the spirit realm, on supernatural and he wrote 228 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:30.399 a book called It's Supernatural that is a kind of 229 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:34.240 a shorter version of The Unseen Realm, which is very 230 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:36.799 long and has a lot of footnotes. So the idea 231 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:39.679 is that in the last five years, I've been piecing 232 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:42.399 the puzzle together, like more and more pieces have been 233 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:46.360 fitting together, so I kind of understand it. I have witchcraft, 234 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.120 I mean, if it's okay to use that word in 235 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:53.320 different directions. In my background, and so, I've actually seen 236 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:57.639 multiple incarnations of what I would call aliens, like what 237 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:02.480 people call grays, and I've seen them in different periods 238 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:06.039 of my life. And so the reason I'm saying that 239 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:08.960 is because when I was in college, my quest was 240 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.759 for answers, and so I started reading every kind of 241 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.159 religious book I could get my hands on looking for answers, 242 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.399 like basically looking for an explanation for what I had seen, 243 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:23.759 and I wasn't finding anything. Like I was, you know, 244 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:27.639 having a lot of interesting social interactions with different types 245 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:30.679 of people that I wasn't finding any answers. And also 246 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.840 whenever I would share that experience with other people, I 247 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:36.399 would just sort of get a blank look. And I 248 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:40.320 even was told to get therapy, which I did, and 249 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:43.840 the therapist basically would accuse me of like wasting their 250 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.039 time or looking for attention or trying to get meds, 251 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.879 you know, which I wasn't interested in any of those things. 252 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.000 I just wanted to know, like what was that? What 253 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:58.720 did I see when I was nine? Right, So it's 254 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:01.159 a long story, but I did make it timeline of 255 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.320 how things happened. But the idea is that in college, 256 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:07.799 while I was doing all this research, I didn't really 257 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:12.080 have too many experiences until I got into a relationship 258 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:16.120 with a guy who eventually acknowledged to me that he 259 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.720 was an atheist. He didn't believe in the paranormal, He 260 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:22.320 didn't believe in my experiences. He didn't believe in anything 261 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:27.039 really except people, you know, and socialism. And so I 262 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.639 started to pray because I realized that my relationship with 263 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.960 him was very stressful because we had two very different 264 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:37.559 perspectives on life and I had become a young socialist 265 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:40.879 and many of the members of our party get really 266 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:44.759 angry when I would mention anything about the paranormal, like 267 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:46.919 it was just such a to them, it was such 268 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:51.000 a departure from their mission, you know. But it was 269 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:54.480 still my bottom line, like I needed to know, you know, 270 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:57.080 what was that and like, what were those beings that 271 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.519 I saw in my room when I was nine. So 272 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:04.279 the idea is that this boyfriend and I were in 273 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:08.759 the process of reevaluating our relationship and one evening one night, 274 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:10.559 it was two o'clock in the morning where we were 275 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:14.120 leaving the art studio and we were walking home and 276 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:16.720 I noticed that he was looking up, so I looked 277 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:19.200 up to see what he was looking at, and there 278 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:23.799 was a small football shaped light in the sky and 279 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.039 it looked like as if you were shining a flashlight 280 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:29.200 or a search beam up into the sky what it 281 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:31.360 would look like if it hit a cloud, and it 282 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:35.120 made like a little football shape light, but there wasn't 283 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:38.080 Like I looked down at the ground looking for a searchlight, 284 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:40.320 and there didn't seem to be a source, Like, there 285 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.879 didn't seem to be a light source. So when I 286 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.360 look back up at this little football shaped light in 287 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:48.759 the sky, I also realized there were no clouds. And 288 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.480 as I looked at it, I had this really strong 289 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:54.600 feeling like it knew that I saw it. And then 290 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:57.639 it did a flip and it disappeared. So in my mind, 291 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.440 I'm thinking, well, that was strange, you know, And then 292 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:02.879 my boyfriend said to me, did you see that? And 293 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:05.400 I said yes, And then he said, did it feel 294 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:08.920 like it knew you saw it like that? And I thought, yeah, 295 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:12.680 like that's weird, right, But we never spoke about it again. 296 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:15.160 Like to him, it was just, oh wow, it's just 297 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.000 a weird thing that happened, and he believed that there's 298 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:21.079 an explanation. Even today he would say, you know, well, 299 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.440 there has to be an explanation. But to me, it 300 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.440 was very strange and it very had an impact because 301 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:28.960 I thought, how could it, looking at a small light 302 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.079 in the sky make us both have the same feeling 303 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:35.599 that it knew we saw it, you know what I mean, Like, 304 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:39.279 that's very strange, right. So to me, it was strange. 305 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:43.839 To him, it was just a blip basically. So one 306 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:46.880 day we were walking to a party and he said 307 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:50.039 to me, what if we buy a Wigi board. He said, 308 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:52.079 if we can make the Wuigi board work, he said, 309 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:56.440 maybe I could understand your experiences, and so I agreed. 310 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:59.000 I said, okay, let's buy a Wigi board, you know, 311 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:01.599 And we're on our way to a party and it's 312 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.119 in a brand new building where one of our friends 313 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:06.559 was one of the first tenants to move into this 314 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:10.279 apartment building, so most of the apartments were not occupied. 315 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:13.799 So when we made our way to the second floor 316 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:16.799 or whatever it was, and we found his door outside 317 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:19.519 his door, leaning against a wall was a Wichi board 318 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.480 in a box, and my friend said, you know, oh look, 319 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:24.279 you know so and so has a wiki board. We 320 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:26.680 don't have to buy one. And I said, oh great, 321 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:28.559 and I'm thinking that is great because I didn't really 322 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:30.680 didn't want to buy one. So we took it into 323 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:34.480 the party and we're, you know, having conversations, we're chatting 324 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.440 with everyone and we're drinking beer, and all of a sudden, 325 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.240 my ex my boyfriend said, let's try the Wiji board. 326 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:44.039 And I said, okay. And I'm a little leery because 327 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.000 I'm thinking, well, we've been drinking beer. Maybe it's not 328 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:49.039 a good idea. But I'm kind of silently praying like, okay, 329 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:52.480 let's hope this is a good thing. You know, it's 330 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:55.519 not a bad thing. And so it didn't work. Like 331 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:58.319 long story short, it did not work, and so my 332 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.720 boyfriend said, that's okay, said at least we tried. And 333 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:03.279 then he said to our friend, he said, what do 334 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.359 you want me to do with your Ouiji board? And 335 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:07.960 he said, oh, that's not mine. You brought that. He said, no, 336 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:11.319 it's not ours. It was leaning against the wall outside 337 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:13.640 your door. When we got here, and he said, oh, 338 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:15.960 you better put it back. Someone will be looking for it. 339 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:18.720 So my boyfriend put the wigi board back in the box, 340 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:21.799 opened the door, leaned it back against the wall outside 341 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:23.920 the door. There was no one in the hallway. He 342 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:26.279 closed the door, we said good night. We opened the 343 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.039 door to leave, and the Oigi board was gone. So 344 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:34.240 the idea is another strange thing happened. And I mean 345 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:36.319 to me it was strange, like I mean, I just 346 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:39.119 kept saying, well, where did it go? And he insisted, well, 347 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:41.599 someone must have came and taken it, but there was 348 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:43.519 no time for anyone to take it, and there were 349 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:46.680 no people living in the surrounding apartments. So to me, 350 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:49.960 that was a very strange situation. And to him it 351 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:52.480 was just again, it was just something that had an 352 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:57.119 explanation that we just didn't have. So I started wondering, like, 353 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:00.880 why to me is it strange? To him, it's just 354 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:04.960 nothing really, And it just seems like that's how life is, 355 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.799 because I have many of my experiences I was with 356 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.359 other people, but to me it was there was something 357 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:13.480 strange about it, and to them it was just well, 358 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:15.680 you know, it just is what it is. I mean, 359 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:18.839 I even lived in a haunted apartment with other people, 360 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:22.400 and you know, like the microwave would turn on by itself, 361 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:25.000 or lights would turn off and on, or just we 362 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:28.359 would hear each other call each other's voices, and my 363 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:31.440 friends would just sort of ignore or pretend that it 364 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:34.759 didn't happen, and then later on acknowledge that it happened, 365 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:37.039 but they would just say, well, we just don't acknowledge 366 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:39.119 those things, like it was like a personal choice of 367 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:43.079 theirs to just not acknowledge when strange things would happen. 368 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:46.000 And I started to understand that many people had their 369 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:50.720 own philosophies on these subjects, you know, and sometimes they 370 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:54.400 were connected to some religion or some church or you know. 371 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:58.519 But for me, it still didn't answer my questions because 372 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:01.839 the thing I saw when I was nine still did 373 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.880 not have I didn't have a vocabulary for them. Actually 374 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:08.359 until I was twenty four. I think I was twenty 375 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:12.640 four and I was in graduate school. I had gotten 376 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:15.240 involved with a witch coven. One of my professors was 377 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:17.440 the head of a witch coven, and she had heard 378 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.599 me telling some of my experiences with some other students, 379 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:22.920 and she said, oh, Kelly, you just have a gift 380 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:28.319 and you just need some mentoring, and so she invited 381 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:31.240 me to join this group, which reminded me very much 382 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:34.559 of like going to a Bible study, except they used 383 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.039 other books and some of them actually brought Bibles to 384 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.839 the meetings. But the idea is, I guess that in 385 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.759 the New Testament, there's the Holy Spirit is a part 386 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:49.799 of I guess what Jesus did, and the Holy Spirit 387 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:52.240 gives people gifts, and one of the gifts is discerning 388 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:55.119 of spirits. I had never heard of that, and so 389 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:57.400 here I was in this sort of witch coven and 390 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.160 they were explaining this to me, and she said that 391 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:02.519 I had the gift of discerning spirits and that she 392 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:05.680 would help me with it. And meanwhile, like strange things 393 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:10.680 started happening in people's homes on campus, in our studios. 394 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.559 People were blaming me for it because I was the 395 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.400 one who initially was talking about these things. I didn't 396 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:21.519 know what to tell people like I was just as 397 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:24.480 baffled as they were. And I was in a grocery 398 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:28.359 store with a new boyfriend and he said to me, 399 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:30.680 you know you're an artist, why don't you draw what 400 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:34.880 you've seen? And as I looked to respond to him, 401 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:38.200