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Speaker 2: ninety Louisville and UTEP Tonight at seven o'clock. Kentucky will
Speaker 2: play Colgate. I believe also at seven o'clock, and both
Speaker 2: teams should be able to pull out victories. But obviously Louisville,
Speaker 2: as you likely know, with the injuries they have, it's
Speaker 2: kind of changed what these kind of games are. I mean,
Speaker 2: I still i'd be a liar if I told you
Speaker 2: that I was worried that they would lose tonight. But
Speaker 2: this is the first time we're going to see them
Speaker 2: play these kind of opponents with a with such a
Speaker 2: thin rotation. But fourteen and a half points is the
Speaker 2: current spread for Louisville and so far on the year.
Speaker 2: Somebody asked me this earlier, and I didn't know the answer,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking it up as we speak. I'm meant
Speaker 2: to do it during the break there, but somebody asked
Speaker 2: me what the current record, like how Louisville has done
Speaker 2: this year when it comes to covering spreads, and just
Speaker 2: a guess, I don't think it's very good because you
Speaker 2: got to keep in mind the games that they've lost to,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, in fact, they were favored against Tennessee,
Speaker 2: which sounds crazy to say right now, but that was
Speaker 2: the second game of the season for both teams, and
Speaker 2: you really just had no clue, you know, what to
Speaker 2: expect at all. But I would imagine that it's not
Speaker 2: it's not that great when it comes to, you know,
Speaker 2: their record against the spread. But you know, we shall see.
Speaker 2: I pulling it up here on sports Lon, which by
Speaker 2: the way, I do have a subscription to sports Line,
Speaker 2: so it is a paid service. It's like three ninety
Speaker 2: nine a month. But it does give good information as
Speaker 2: far as you know, trends and wagering that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So Louisville right now, they are four and five against
Speaker 2: the against the spread this year. They have not covered
Speaker 2: since the Oklahoma game. They were four point dogs against
Speaker 2: Indiana and of course won that thing outright in a
Speaker 2: major way. But yeah, they have yet to cover in
Speaker 2: their in their losses this year. But Yeah, fourteen and
Speaker 2: a half is the current spread tonight. This UTEP team.
Speaker 2: By the way, for those that care, you've got they
Speaker 2: are let's see, they are four and two against the
Speaker 2: spread this year.
Speaker 3: So uh.
Speaker 2: And currently when it comes to the amount of money
Speaker 2: that when it comes to those that are betting on
Speaker 2: this thing. As far as the spread, the public, uh,
Speaker 2: seventy two percent of the of the wagers that have
Speaker 2: come in are betting on UTEP to cover this fourteen
Speaker 2: and a half point spread. The money, however, is fifty
Speaker 2: five percent on Louisville forty five percent on UTEP. What
Speaker 2: that means is the amount of you know, the wages themselves.
Speaker 2: There's a lot more people picking UTEP to cover as underdogs,
Speaker 2: but as far as the amount of money in total,
Speaker 2: slightly more of that money is on Louisville to cover
Speaker 2: the spread tonight, so we shall see. Excuse me, also,
Speaker 2: the oh good, like a swallowed a bug, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Regroup here real quick. I don't know if that sounded
Speaker 2: as bad as I thought it did. Sounded like I
Speaker 2: just choked on something, But anyhow, we will. We'll move
Speaker 2: along here. If you want to join us on the show,
Speaker 2: you can we're gonna get the phone lines. Just one second,
Speaker 2: five way two about seven to one seventy nine hundred
Speaker 2: as the number if you want to gives a call again.
Speaker 2: It is Coffee and Company. I'm Nick Coffee mister radio.
Speaker 2: Rick Ryder alongside today as we take you up until
Speaker 2: six o'clock. Just some news that I wanted to share
Speaker 2: as we get the four o'clock hours started for those
Speaker 2: of you that have not been keeping up with the
Speaker 2: news wire having been listening, Tyler Shuck did confirm that
Speaker 2: he's not gonna play in the bowl game. So that's
Speaker 2: jo Cory Brooks and Tyler Shuck both deciding to go ahead,
Speaker 2: and you know, call it a career here at Louisville.
Speaker 2: And I don't blame them, and I'm not surprised by
Speaker 2: any means. And as far as who ends up being
Speaker 2: the quarterback in this bowl game, you've already lost Brady Allen,
Speaker 2: he's in the portal. Shuck, of course, has decided not
Speaker 2: to play. So I mean, I think that means you
Speaker 2: could see, you could see Tyler, you'll see your you know,
Speaker 2: I would imagine you're gonna see here's Clarkson. We're gonna
Speaker 2: get our our first chance to see him as a
Speaker 2: starter and see what he can do. You do also
Speaker 2: have Harrison Bailey, but I believe he's like a fifth
Speaker 2: or six year senior. And look, if that's what gives
Speaker 2: you the best chance to win, and that's what Jeff
Speaker 2: wants to do, then you know it's his call. But
Speaker 2: and maybe that would be a good a good deed, right,
Speaker 2: you know, to give this guy a chance to go
Speaker 2: out there and start a game. It's his last time
Speaker 2: I'll ever play quarterback in college. But you know, even
Speaker 2: if he's really good, what do you get from that?
Speaker 2: It's his last game? Like, I feel like it would
Speaker 2: be much more beneficial for you to let Clarkson play.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what fans want to see. Not
Speaker 2: that he's going to do what fans want, but like
Speaker 2: I I would love to see what I have no
Speaker 2: clue what to expect, but I would love to see
Speaker 2: Pierce Clarkson start this Bowl game against Washington just to see,
Speaker 2: you know, how he looks. It won't have any impact
Speaker 2: on what they're doing as far as the portal, but
Speaker 2: you know, if he looks good, then maybe you feel
Speaker 2: like you might have somewhat of a competition when you
Speaker 2: bring in your transfer quarterback. All right again, five or
Speaker 2: two five seven seventy nine hundred is the number. Let's
Speaker 2: go to the phone lines and welcome in Tyrone, Tyrone,
Speaker 2: what's happening?
Speaker 4: This is hater tarroone, not tyrone, hater tarone. How you doing, sir?
Speaker 3: I'm doing okay about yourself.
Speaker 4: I'm doing good. I sit here and listen to you
Speaker 4: every day driving home to work, and I'm representing Big
Speaker 4: Blue Nation, and it sounds like you need some anxiety medicine. Bruh.
Speaker 4: Let's get to the sports and just talking. Man up.
Speaker 4: If you've got seven players, you got seven players, and
Speaker 4: that's what it is. If your football team ain't no good,
Speaker 4: your football team ain't no good. We deal with it
Speaker 4: every day, and yet I sit here and listen to
Speaker 4: you come up with all these red room scenarios about
Speaker 4: what y'all should do. If you can't do it, you
Speaker 4: can't do it, you know, get a passifier or look.
Speaker 4: Do you feel me?
Speaker 2: Uh? Not quite, I don't. I'm not really sure where
Speaker 2: we're going.
Speaker 4: With this, but you know, oh, it's nothing but hate
Speaker 4: from BBN. I just called it the wish because the
Speaker 4: fan base just on my nerve with all the winding,
Speaker 4: your point fingers.
Speaker 3: All they're talking about.
Speaker 4: What have you been winding about? To go back? For
Speaker 4: two months, I've been waiting to get on the radio
Speaker 4: to talk to you about the winding, because every day
Speaker 4: I tune in, I like you. You know, I listened
Speaker 4: to you. But you just to get to wad it
Speaker 4: about why the teams can't do this and the scenarios
Speaker 4: and all that. It is what it is. The score
Speaker 4: zero and the zero when that bottle goes up or
Speaker 4: when the clock starts is football, and you deal with it.
Speaker 4: Anybody that plays sports notes there is no scenario. Either
Speaker 4: you play and you play to win or you lose.
Speaker 4: That's it. Ain't no, ain't no prying, trying trying. It's
Speaker 4: a crab, baby, you feel me, so you know. That's
Speaker 4: that's all I got to say on it.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, thank you for the call. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think I've actually come to tears on the show.
Speaker 2: Maybe it has happened, and I just you know, blocked
Speaker 2: it out of my memory because it makes me makes
Speaker 2: me sad again. But that that call has been has
Speaker 2: been up there here and there for a while and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, appreciate your listening, Tyrone, but I just I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, I don't have I think I
Speaker 2: think he's somebody that used to call the the the
Speaker 2: afternoon Underdogs many years ago, and there was like a
Speaker 2: back and forth, and you know, he I'm fine with
Speaker 2: him being you know, a hater and wanting to call
Speaker 2: in and talked bad about U of L. Because that's
Speaker 2: that's kind of how it works. It's a rivalry. I
Speaker 2: get it, but I can't quite grasp what he means about. Like,
Speaker 2: are you talking about me being critical and upset when
Speaker 2: Louisville loses games that I feel like they could have won?
Speaker 2: Like I mean, if that's what you classify as whining,
Speaker 2: I mean, what would you rather me do? I mean,
Speaker 2: just tell you this, read the box score. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think that would be First of all, that
Speaker 2: wouldn't be fun. I mean, it's not fun reacting to
Speaker 2: bad losses. But it's kind of what happens. So you know,
Speaker 2: thanks for calling, thanks for listening to appreciate it, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I hope you I hope you continue to listen.
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I was supposed to
Speaker 2: play along with something there, But I don't really know.
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't connect.
Speaker 2: I couldn't couldn't quite grasp what what what what?
Speaker 1: He?
Speaker 2: You know what he wanted to do there? I feel
Speaker 2: like he wanted me to go to the dance floor
Speaker 2: with him, but like we weren't. We weren't on, we
Speaker 2: weren't in rhythm. But thank you for listening, Tyrone, I
Speaker 2: appreciate it all.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Back to the text line five two six five three
Speaker 2: zero seven ninety. That is the number if you want
Speaker 2: a text in on the Ellen and Federal Credit Union
Speaker 2: text line. This text says, Nick, is it just me
Speaker 2: or does it feel like you're really gonna need momentum
Speaker 2: after the first year of Pat Kelsey for him to
Speaker 2: continue to be able to bring in players in the
Speaker 2: portal and even bring in high school recruits. I do
Speaker 2: think momentum is a big factor, but you can make
Speaker 2: up for that with money and with you know, a good.
Speaker 3: Recruiter, a good sales pitch.
Speaker 2: So if Louisville ends up being a you know, middle
Speaker 2: of a pack ACC team in a year with the
Speaker 2: league is not very good and they're not on the bubble,
Speaker 2: and it just kind of is you know, a year
Speaker 2: that a lot of us realize is not very good
Speaker 2: and it's not fun. But we also know that they
Speaker 2: dealt with injuries and that was a big factor in it.
Speaker 2: I mean, will know that, but will you know, will
Speaker 2: recruits and guys in the portal where they will they
Speaker 2: know or will they care to even consider that that's
Speaker 2: why Louisville maybe wasn't very good. I mean, momentum is
Speaker 2: a factor.
Speaker 3: But like.
Speaker 2: Kenny Payne brought in especially, I mean, look he brought
Speaker 2: in in the portal and in the high school ranks.
Speaker 2: Really really, you know, I don't they You know, we
Speaker 2: got into arguments about this, me and listeners and we
Speaker 2: never will be on the same page, and it really
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. But I know how bad Louisville basketball was
Speaker 2: last year. And I'm not telling you any any of
Speaker 2: these guys that that came here to play for Kenny Paine,
Speaker 2: whether it be his first year, second year, are great,
Speaker 2: because you know they aren't. But he brought in freshmen
Speaker 2: that a lot of big time schools wanted, and he
Speaker 2: brought in transfers that a lot of other schools wanted
Speaker 2: to with Trey White, with Sky Clark. You know, so
Speaker 2: if he can do it after a four win season
Speaker 2: by utilizing you know, money, then I have no problem.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think one Louisvel is not going
Speaker 2: to be anywhere near as bad as they were under
Speaker 2: those two seasons. And I think there will be obvious
Speaker 2: excuses that people are going to be aware of that
Speaker 2: that make it to where. You know, it's not like
Speaker 2: people say, yeah, I'm not going to go play for
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey because I think he's a lousy coach because
Speaker 2: he was four games above five hundred at Louisville. I
Speaker 2: mean maybe some players do say that, but if you've
Speaker 2: got to you know, if if you're telling them the
Speaker 2: opportunity to play here and there's good and there's obvious
Speaker 2: playing time, and of course in I own money's there,
Speaker 2: then I don't think that'll keep you from getting players.
Speaker 2: But I do think that momentum is in fact, you know,
Speaker 2: I think momentum is a bigger factor in football than
Speaker 2: it is basketball, because basketball, man, it's so you know,
Speaker 2: you can quickly change things in one year, and you
Speaker 2: can do that in football too. I mean, look at
Speaker 2: this Arizona State team. But overall, I mean in basketball,
Speaker 2: you can quite literally go build an entire I mean,
Speaker 2: look at Kentucky. Kentucky right now. They weren't terrible last year.
Speaker 2: They were a three seed and they put how many
Speaker 2: guys in the NBA. But none of those guys are
Speaker 2: still there and none of the coaches are still there.
Speaker 2: Mark Pope went out and build a brand new team.
Speaker 2: And yeah, they you know, they didn't have momentum from
Speaker 2: their embarrassing loss in the in the first round of
Speaker 2: the tournament to Oakland. But Pope didn't have a whole
Speaker 2: lot of momentum, to be honest with you. Like the
Speaker 2: guys that he brought in fine players, but it wasn't
Speaker 2: as if, you know, they were the top players overall
Speaker 2: in the portal or anything like that. So I think
Speaker 2: momentum matters more in football than it does in basketball.
Speaker 2: And the you know, momentum can be viewed in a
Speaker 2: variety of ways. It can be something, you know, it
Speaker 2: could be they just it could be that they have
Speaker 2: a bunch of Niel money, right. It could be that
Speaker 2: they're coming off a really good season. It could be
Speaker 2: that they are, you know, bringing in a really good
Speaker 2: class from the high school ranks, like for example, mckel
Speaker 2: brown junior. He's somebody that right now, those who cover
Speaker 2: recruiting that you know, it's their job to not only
Speaker 2: cover recruiting and and you know interview these guys, track
Speaker 2: their visits, evaluate their talent, but they also are responsible
Speaker 2: for giving predictions and sometimes they're wrong, but more often
Speaker 2: than not, they're right, and they know where these guys
Speaker 2: are going to go. And right now, Travis Brandam, who
Speaker 2: is the lead basketball recruiting analyst for twenty four to
Speaker 2: seven Sports, he has his crystal ball, and I do
Speaker 2: you know I mentioned crystal ball mocking it because you
Speaker 2: know it just because the crystal ball has been put
Speaker 2: in for a recruit doesn't mean that's exactly what's going
Speaker 2: to happen. However, this is somebody who wouldn't put it
Speaker 2: out there unless he felt really good about it. He's
Speaker 2: not somebody that works for twenty four seven sports that
Speaker 2: has a crystal ball and he covers one team specifically.
Speaker 2: He covers college basketball recruiting nationally, and he has predicted
Speaker 2: mckel brown to Louisville for I think a little while now,
Speaker 2: and I mean I think that could be momentum. Right
Speaker 2: if mckel brown junior the number. I mean, he's a
Speaker 2: top ten player overall in the country. He's a six
Speaker 2: or four point guard. I mean, I don't know much
Speaker 2: about him as far as you know. Is he the
Speaker 2: kind of guy that other players in that class would
Speaker 2: want to come play for. But if the first commit
Speaker 2: for Pat Kelsey in this twenty twenty five recruiting class
Speaker 2: ends up being a top ten player overall, one of
Speaker 2: the best guards in the country, that is momentum on
Speaker 2: the recruiting trail. Even if he's the only one that commits,
Speaker 2: and who knows, maybe he ends up committing and that
Speaker 2: leads to others saying, okay, if he's going to pull
Speaker 2: the trigger on Louisville. I liked a lot about what
Speaker 2: they were selling Pat Kelsey and his staff, But now
Speaker 2: I'm going to go join mckel brown junior, and you
Speaker 2: know we're going to be We're gonna do this together.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't follow it close enough to know
Speaker 2: that a commitment from him could lead to you getting others.
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to happen, meaning I just want
Speaker 2: this kid to commit. And look, you can always decommit.
Speaker 2: We are in a world now where you really don't
Speaker 2: you know, you don't really feel like anybody's truly coming
Speaker 2: to your school and until they show up and they
Speaker 2: arrive and they play in a game. But it's been
Speaker 2: building really for the last couple of weeks that Louisville
Speaker 2: was in great shape. He was here for the Duke visit.
Speaker 2: By all accounts, his visit went really well. That's when
Speaker 2: you started seeing those that cover recruiting predicting Louisville to
Speaker 2: be where he ends up. But what I did not
Speaker 2: realize because I don't go looking for crystal ball stuff,
Speaker 2: but of course I see it pop up on Twitter
Speaker 2: and whatnot. And it's not a disrespect to those guys
Speaker 2: that cover recruiting. It's just not something that I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I just not something I'd spend a lot of time
Speaker 2: looking into. But there is a guess a different level,
Speaker 2: Like you can go one through ten. You can put
Speaker 2: in a crystal ball and then put a number I
Speaker 2: guess with it, and like ten means that you're really confident,
Speaker 2: and I guess a one would mean that you're predicting it,
Speaker 2: but you're not confident, which if you're not confident, why
Speaker 2: would you predict it? However, his crystal ball prediction Travis
Speaker 2: Brandham of twenty four seven sports. It's bumped up from
Speaker 2: a six, which was a medium confidence level, to a seven,
Speaker 2: which is now in that high range of confidence. So
Speaker 2: maybe we keep monitoring the level of the crystal ball
Speaker 2: and then maybe we get the commitment. I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but it does kind of feel like any And I
Speaker 2: say this as somebody who's an outsider that's not covering
Speaker 2: recruiting like others or following it like others, but I
Speaker 2: kind of feel like, if everything that's out there is
Speaker 2: true as far as what's being reported, why hasn't the
Speaker 2: kid committed to Louisville yet? I mean, I don't want
Speaker 2: to rush him, take your time, whatever it takes to
Speaker 2: get him here. I would say it's worth it. But
Speaker 2: he's the kind of commit that I would say can
Speaker 2: give you some some momentum in recruiting. But man, the
Speaker 2: portal in basketball, Like, if you've got what Louisville has,
Speaker 2: meaning a good nil situation, you play in an NBA arena.
Speaker 2: We know that the fans you know, aren't showing up
Speaker 2: now the way they used to when things were really rolling,
Speaker 2: But you have to keep in mind the lower bowl
Speaker 2: being completely full or close to it in that place
Speaker 2: being really really rowdy. That's an environment, in an atmosphere
Speaker 2: that most don't have ever. Therefore, I'd say recruits can
Speaker 2: only see fifteen thousand of the young center filled, and
Speaker 2: if it's a good atmosphere, like they're probably not going
Speaker 2: to think while decent crowd, but why are there some
Speaker 2: empty seats up top? Why aren't there more people in
Speaker 2: the nosebleeds? Like I just don't let you know. You
Speaker 2: could have a good atmosphere in a good environment without
Speaker 2: having the lower bowl even full at all. So when
Speaker 2: it comes to the portal, I still think even if
Speaker 2: you end up having an underwhelming season and you don't
Speaker 2: make the tournament, and maybe you're not even a bubble team,
Speaker 2: I don't think that that would keep you from being
Speaker 2: able to still sell to a kid in the portal
Speaker 2: that Louisville would be a very very good place for
Speaker 2: them to be. In fact, speaking of nil, let's take
Speaker 2: a quick break. We'll come back on the other side
Speaker 2: and take a look at this report. This is from
Speaker 2: Front Office Sports. They have the top twenty five. In fact,
Speaker 2: I think they have everybody, but the list I have
Speaker 2: is just the top twenty five. As far as the
Speaker 2: most money that has been raised by the different collectives
Speaker 2: across the country, I think now you don't have you
Speaker 2: don't have collectives competing against each other. I think it's
Speaker 2: all kind of one thing, like, for example, Louisville's official
Speaker 2: collective for an il as the five oh two circle.
Speaker 2: So every school's got one like that. And you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of schools bring in a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Some schools don't bring in quite as much. But I'll
Speaker 2: tell you where Louisville, Kentucky, and Indiana came in these rankings,
Speaker 2: and we'll get to that and a lot more as
Speaker 2: we roll along. It's coffee and company, feel by Thornton's
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Speaker 2: I have a guess as to what's going on with
Speaker 2: Belichick and the North Carolina job, because again, things that
Speaker 2: just don't make a ton of sense usually end up
Speaker 2: not being true. And I'll stand corrected if he ends
Speaker 2: up being the head coach of North Carolina next year,
Speaker 2: because it sounds like that's what a lot of people
Speaker 2: assume is going to happen.
Speaker 3: But I mean, who really wants like.
Speaker 2: It sounds like, again, you probably heard a little bit
Speaker 2: of it there during our break if you stuck through
Speaker 2: the commercial break from our National Sports our Fox Sports
Speaker 2: Radio update that and this is I guess what is
Speaker 2: behind the paywall at inside Carolina dot com that the
Speaker 2: two have like agreed like, yeah, let's do this, but
Speaker 2: now we got to talk numbers. Now we got to
Speaker 2: talk terms. And they've not scheduled a board meeting yet
Speaker 2: because the board meeting is really just the rubber stamp
Speaker 2: to say, Okay, yeah, we're doing this. But it sounds
Speaker 2: like the numbers that are being thrown out there, it's
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and Carolina, I guess, wants to
Speaker 2: do this, but they're not willing or able to pay
Speaker 2: what Belichick wants, which this would actually make make a
Speaker 2: little more sense to where Belichick wants it to appear
Speaker 2: that Carolina wants him, because you know, I guess that
Speaker 2: would make him more attractive to the NFL.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: I just still even a bit it happens, I'll sit
Speaker 2: here and say it doesn't make sense. That's what I've
Speaker 2: said for the last couple of days. But the fact
Speaker 2: that it's been, you know, really for about twenty four
Speaker 2: hours now, everybody's just assumed that, yeah, it's happening, we're
Speaker 2: just kind of waiting. Well, usually you don't wait this long,
Speaker 2: and when you wait this long, it usually means things
Speaker 2: are falling apart.
Speaker 3: So we shall see.
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's crazy that some have said
Speaker 2: that this is starting to look like the Tennessee search
Speaker 2: of years ago when they are Chiano, the fans went
Speaker 2: insane and it didn't end up happening, And I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's what's gonna end up playing out here.
Speaker 2: But there's also some behind the scenes stuff going on
Speaker 2: to where, you know, those that work together in some
Speaker 2: former fashion that have say so in this decision as
Speaker 2: far as who they're going to hire to be the
Speaker 2: next football coach, it sounds like those people aren't really
Speaker 2: on the same page. And I guess that also could
Speaker 2: explain why there's been such a delay here and it
Speaker 2: being done, because it's been over twenty four hours really
Speaker 2: since it appeared that he was going to be the
Speaker 2: guy and they just had to get it worked out,
Speaker 2: and they still have not been able to get it
Speaker 2: worked out. And I think the board of Trustees meeting,
Speaker 2: and we should know about this around here, right The
Speaker 2: Board of Trustees meeting being scheduled at Carolina, I think
Speaker 2: will be the ultimate sign that this is done. But
Speaker 2: that Board of Trustees meeting has not been scheduled just yet.
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Speaker 2: So the NIL world is I think still a humongous
Speaker 2: gray area. I was on with Tony and Dave this
Speaker 2: morning on HAS and they were asked, give me if
Speaker 2: I had any idea as far as what kind of
Speaker 2: money is being put out there for Louisville players in
Speaker 2: the portal or for the guys that you know you're
Speaker 2: going to have to pay in order to keep around.
Speaker 2: For example, Isaac Brown and Duke Watson are two guys
Speaker 2: that I'm sure are not coming back to Louisville without
Speaker 2: them getting a pay raise. I mean, they probably already
Speaker 2: got some inniyew money to come to Louis. They were
Speaker 2: both really highly regarded freshmen. Well now they've shown that
Speaker 2: they're really really good. As we discussed yesterday, Duke Watson
Speaker 2: as a true freshman, led the country in yards per
Speaker 2: carry and Isaac Brown was one of the highest graded
Speaker 2: overall true freshman performance in college football this year. According
Speaker 2: to Pro Football Focus, was the acc Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2: I mean, these guys have proven that they're pretty damn good,
Speaker 2: and with that, you're going to have to pay to
Speaker 2: keep them around, because that's just how it works now.
Speaker 2: But as far as the actual number, I have no clue.
Speaker 2: I've never really believed the number that you hear. I
Speaker 2: just assume that it's exaggerated. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's
Speaker 2: exactly what you here. But I've always been of the
Speaker 2: belief that if you are a player in the portal,
Speaker 2: rather it be a football player, basketball player, if you
Speaker 2: if it's out there that you know the range is
Speaker 2: two to three million, that makes you look good, That
Speaker 2: makes you look like somebody's willing to invest that money
Speaker 2: to get you. By definition, that is what you're worth,
Speaker 2: and that's that's pretty impressive to be able to say, right,
Speaker 2: and if you're a school that has that money and
Speaker 2: you are, you know, rumored to be throwing that kind
Speaker 2: of change around to get a player, you know what
Speaker 2: that does makes you look good? Oh, let's talk to them,
Speaker 2: they got money. I want to because so I just,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe I'm just cynical, but I just have
Speaker 2: never believed that some of the numbers you hear are legit.
Speaker 2: But when I see the amount of money that's being
Speaker 2: raised with these collectives, it does make me realize, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe these numbers are legit or maybe at least close
Speaker 2: to what you hear by those who cover recruiting. So
Speaker 2: right now we've got this is according to Front Office Sports,
Speaker 2: they have a breakdown here of the Power five schools
Speaker 2: that have brought in the most money through their collective
Speaker 2: funding for nil and at the top of the list
Speaker 2: is Texas and it's really not close.
Speaker 3: Texas has brought in two.
Speaker 2: Million more than any other school for twenty two million,
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy two thousand, four and seventy four dollars.
Speaker 2: That was the twenty twenty four year end. I guess,
Speaker 2: you know, the overall year that's the amount of money
Speaker 2: that came in through their collective. Now again you got
Speaker 2: to keep in mind that's not just I mean, the
Speaker 2: collective is really just the bank account, if we're being honest.
Speaker 2: There's other NIO deals that are attached to players specifically
Speaker 2: that have nothing to do with with a collective, like
Speaker 2: if you are. I mean, I don't want to give
Speaker 2: any examples because I don't know if it's public information
Speaker 2: or people want it out there. But there are people
Speaker 2: who give a lot of money to the five ZHO
Speaker 2: two circle for U of L, but they also give
Speaker 2: a lot of money to you know, in different ways.
Speaker 2: To get these guys paid through at IL, then always
Speaker 2: have to go through the collective. The collective can take
Speaker 2: big amounts of money, but the collectives are more for
Speaker 2: fundraising through I guess a variety of different ranges of
Speaker 2: money that people can donate. But like the collective, you
Speaker 2: can go to the five with two circles, sign up
Speaker 2: to be a member and donate like twenty bucks a month,
Speaker 2: a hundred bucks a month, whatever it is. I know,
Speaker 2: they've got different options there. So as far as the
Speaker 2: collectives as a whole, Texas came in at number one
Speaker 2: Ohio State came in at number two it just over
Speaker 2: twenty million. Right behind Ohio State was LSHU, also just
Speaker 2: above twenty million, and then at number four was Georgia.
Speaker 2: They're at eighteen point three million, Texas A and M
Speaker 2: at seventeen point two million.
Speaker 3: So that is your top five.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to give you the entire top twenty five,
Speaker 2: but in the top twenty five, Louisville came in right
Speaker 2: around twenty five range, bringing in nine point four million,
Speaker 2: Kentucky came in just ahead of them at eleven point
Speaker 2: two million, and then Indiana where are they at? Indiana
Speaker 2: was actually did better than both of Louisville and Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Indiana was just outside the top ten at thirteen point
Speaker 2: seven million. Which Indiana has a huge fan base. They've
Speaker 2: always been believed to be big time spenders in NIL
Speaker 2: when it comes to basketball. So what I would love
Speaker 2: to know is when Kurt Signetti went out and put
Speaker 2: this team together. I'm sure NIL was a factor, but
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the money that you're seeing
Speaker 2: from Indiana was mostly for basketball. I mean, Jeff Goodman,
Speaker 2: who is probably as plugged in as anybody when it
Speaker 2: comes to college basketball reporting. I mean, he has said
Speaker 2: many times since this roster has put together for Mike Woods,
Speaker 2: the Indiana may have the most or one of the
Speaker 2: most expensive rosters in college basketball, which I'd say so far,
Speaker 2: they're not getting a great return on that investment. But
Speaker 2: you know, there's still a lot of basketball to be played.
Speaker 2: But imagine what kind of money Indiana fans are going
Speaker 2: to throw out there for Kurt Signetti now. So, Indiana
Speaker 2: has always been a program that has an insane amount
Speaker 2: of support when it comes to not only just fans
Speaker 2: that show up and attend games and care a lot,
Speaker 2: but they also support with their money. And that's why
Speaker 2: when it comes to Indiana basketball, I know, for so
Speaker 2: long people have said Indiana's they'll never be back.
Speaker 3: They're living in the past.
Speaker 2: And I get why people say that because Indiana, you know,
Speaker 2: they haven't actually done anything notable in college basketball in
Speaker 2: a long long time. I mean, the last time they
Speaker 2: made a Final four was in two thousand and one,
Speaker 2: whatever year it was, whenever they lost in the title
Speaker 2: game to with Mike Woodson or not Mike Wodson, but
Speaker 2: Mike Davis as their coach. But they're also like at
Speaker 2: any moment able to flip it and get it turned
Speaker 2: around because of the like they're an example of a
Speaker 2: team that all it takes is like one really good
Speaker 2: run when it comes to bringing in players in the
Speaker 2: portal and a really good coach and Woodson, you know
Speaker 2: he's gonna have this year.
Speaker 3: But I would say the those those that make decisions.
Speaker 2: At Indiana know how much money was invested to help
Speaker 2: him build this team, and so far again they're underwhelming
Speaker 2: right now. They got blown out by Louisville, got blown
Speaker 2: out by Gonzaga, and really haven't looked great all year.
Speaker 2: So if he's underwhelming this year once again and they
Speaker 2: you know, barely make the tournament or maybe they get
Speaker 2: there and losing their round to thirty two, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be shocked if they move on because they know that
Speaker 2: they've given him resource to store.
Speaker 3: They should be better.
Speaker 2: And I feel like they got the higher right after
Speaker 2: the first couple of years of Woodson, but obviously last
Speaker 2: year they took a step back in this year, I mean,
Speaker 2: a really terrible look for him against Louisville, specifically because
Speaker 2: I mean they got beat worse than the score indicated.
Speaker 2: They should have lost that game by forty. I'll never
Speaker 2: forget the seven zero run in less than thirty seconds
Speaker 2: that Indiana put up at the end of that game
Speaker 2: to make it a thirty five point law take it
Speaker 2: from a thirty five point loss to a twenty.
Speaker 3: Eight point loss.
Speaker 2: But Woodson having no I mean like it looked like
Speaker 2: Kenny Payne, it looked like he didn't even know anything
Speaker 2: about what Louisville wanted to do as far as the
Speaker 2: person well, and Louisville was able. I mean, hopefully we
Speaker 2: see it again in some other games this year. Maybe
Speaker 2: difficult given the fact that there's such a limited amount
Speaker 2: of players that they have to utilize now because of injuries.
Speaker 2: But if you want to reference a game where Pat
Speaker 2: Kelsey coached this Louisville team and you want like the
Speaker 2: best case scenario as far as what you can, you know,
Speaker 2: the best case scenario when they're able to really get
Speaker 2: in what they want to do and take advantage of
Speaker 2: a team that's not able and ready to play at
Speaker 2: that pace. Indiana got sped up, turn it over non stop,
Speaker 2: kept missing layups, and Louisville was knocking down threes, forcing turnovers,
Speaker 2: scoring off those turnovers. Like that's best case scenario as
Speaker 2: far as why you want to play the system that
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey wants to play. Now, there's also some signs
Speaker 2: of where it doesn't work out. But I mean Indiana,
Speaker 2: I think if they just came in with a better
Speaker 2: game plan, like they probably win that game. Hard to
Speaker 2: say that because they lost about thirty, but like Indiana
Speaker 2: has good players and they just got blitzed, and I
Speaker 2: think their coaching was the biggest factor in that, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you. So other just some other numbers
Speaker 2: here as far as this breakdown of the schools that
Speaker 2: have brought in the most money from their Nile collectives,
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to look at some teams that may
Speaker 2: surprise you. Like there's nobody in the top ten that
Speaker 2: I'm looking at and thinking, wow, they brought in a
Speaker 2: lot more money than I would have ever expected.
Speaker 3: Maybe you could say.
Speaker 2: I mean Indiana honestly, just because you know, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have expected them to be right around the top ten
Speaker 2: because I usually just think football. But maybe Signetty did
Speaker 2: get a big amount of money to come in for
Speaker 2: nil before he ever coached a game. Well now he's
Speaker 2: got him in the College Football Playoff with an eleven
Speaker 2: and one record, So imagine that number is going to
Speaker 2: be a lot bigger next year now that he's shown, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm a pretty good coach myself. Virginia being just behind
Speaker 2: Indiana is a little bit surprising because you know, Virginia
Speaker 2: didn't go out and get any big name in the
Speaker 2: portal when it comes to basketball and in football.
Speaker 3: I don't believe they did.
Speaker 2: And if they, if they did go out and use
Speaker 2: a lot of money to get players, it clearly didn't
Speaker 2: work out because Virginia was really bad once again in
Speaker 2: football this year. But yeah, they're the kind of schools
Speaker 2: that you would expect. Washington is just towards the end
Speaker 2: of the top twenty five here. South Carolina's right near Louisville, Iowa.
Speaker 2: Same level. So you know, it's the schools that you
Speaker 2: would expect as far as those that have been able
Speaker 2: to round up the most money for at iol collectives.
Speaker 2: All right, quick break, we'll come back on the other side.
Speaker 2: Wrap up the four o'clock hour. We'll also get back
Speaker 2: to the phone calls here on the other side. So
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Speaker 2: Day, I mentioned at the beginning of the week that
Speaker 2: it really just it hasn't felt like Christmas time yet,
Speaker 2: and it's closer than people realize. Also, I mentioned that
Speaker 2: the shorter Christmas season this year. Thanksgiving was way late,
Speaker 2: so I think there's like five or seven days between
Speaker 2: five or seven less days between Thanksgiving and Christmas than
Speaker 2: what we usually get. So you know, if you're somebody
Speaker 2: that doesn't turn the page and celebrate and enjoy Christmas
Speaker 2: time until Thanksgivings over, it is a much shorter time
Speaker 2: for you. But I just saw this video pop up
Speaker 2: here on TikTok, and it is a It's just a
Speaker 2: thirty second montage of just clips from the malls, like
Speaker 2: shopping malls in the nineties during Christmas time when they
Speaker 2: were crowded and there's a bunch of Christmas stuff set up.
Speaker 2: You got the toy stores, you got the line that's
Speaker 2: a mile long for kids to get their picture taken
Speaker 2: with Santa. I know, as I'm describing this, it actually
Speaker 2: probably sounds like hell on Earth for some people. But man,
Speaker 2: it's nostalgic for me when I think of Christmas as
Speaker 2: a kid. For me, what I'm seeing in this clip
Speaker 2: is what I think of. And now, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: sure people still do go to malls and they shop
Speaker 2: in store for Christmas, but like I mean, the last
Speaker 2: few years, if I found myself, which I usually do,
Speaker 2: I procrastinate and I end up at the mall a
Speaker 2: few days before Christmas. I mean there's people there, but
Speaker 2: like nothing like what you used to see, because one,
Speaker 2: people don't procrastinate as bad as I do, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: but also you do a lot of your stuff online.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are things inside malls now here in
Speaker 2: the area. I can't think of any examples off the
Speaker 2: top of my head, but like malls are now like
Speaker 2: the big spaces of them are not for little retail
Speaker 2: stores anymore. Therefore, like you know, like a Dave and
Speaker 2: Busters or something like that. But yes, the malls. And
Speaker 2: then when I think of Christmas as a kid, I
Speaker 2: think of what I'm looking at right here, just what
Speaker 2: it used to look like in different malls in the nineties,
Speaker 2: back when I was a kid. In Christmas, you know,
Speaker 2: Christmas is awesome now, especially now that I got kids
Speaker 2: that really get into it. But man, Christmas, when you're
Speaker 2: a kid, does it get better than that?
Speaker 5: Rick?
Speaker 3: It doesn't get better than that, does it?
Speaker 4: Brother?
Speaker 6: I love You're absolutely right, Nick.
Speaker 2: Best time of the year. All right, let's go to
Speaker 2: the phone lines before we get to the top of
Speaker 2: the hour. Here, we'll bring him in he is. Let's
Speaker 2: go to Dave David. You're on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 3: How are we doing, brother, I'm excellent as always.
Speaker 5: Ken, sir, how are you Nick?
Speaker 3: From you?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I it's it just it is so heartbreaking to know
Speaker 5: where this to, where our Louisville Cardinal basketball team started,
Speaker 5: and kind of where we are and what the road
Speaker 5: ahead looks like. I tell you, man, I'm sixty one,
Speaker 5: and it just, uh, when when you really feel like
Speaker 5: there's something, there's something there and and the injury bug,
Speaker 5: it's like this team is snake bit and you know,
Speaker 5: I'm not one, and I hate to say.
Speaker 3: I'm the same.
Speaker 5: I'm the guy that turns Gonzaga Kentucky on in the
Speaker 5: second half, thinking, man, this is it's gonna this is
Speaker 5: just a wonderful thing. We're gonna watch them lose on
Speaker 5: the West coast, and it just seems.
Speaker 3: Like everything I.
Speaker 5: Don't and I'll tell you Nick, it's hard to focus
Speaker 5: on them, but watching them play a little bit, it's like, man,
Speaker 5: every time you think that they're gonna go south, they
Speaker 5: find whitening in a bottle somehow. But why I'm calling
Speaker 5: today is just I'm gonna make a plea to our bigs,
Speaker 5: to Watermen and to Scott. You guys need to play
Speaker 5: bigger if you can, you know, going to Scott going
Speaker 5: two for two on two dunks or two layups or Watermen,
Speaker 5: you know, stop shooting the threes. It's every time I
Speaker 5: look at a box score, whether it's in collegiate basketball
Speaker 5: or the NBA, half the shots any more come from three.
Speaker 5: I know that they the threes add of a lot
Speaker 5: quicker than two's, but you know what, why can't And
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say that it's a strength, but you know,
Speaker 5: these guys they play college basketball for a reason. Post
Speaker 5: these guys up, you.
Speaker 4: Know, get.
Speaker 5: Try to make easier shots when when three just bite you,
Speaker 5: and that you know what, why can't we shoot fifteen footers?
Speaker 5: Why can't we shoot ten footers and uh, you know
Speaker 5: everybody attacked the basket on misshots. Just you know, thirty
Speaker 5: five percent shooting from the field isn't going to beat anybody.
Speaker 5: And I love the team. I love the direction that
Speaker 5: Pats taking him in, but uh, it's just a damn
Speaker 5: shame that that that the injury bug bites us when
Speaker 5: we're when we're when you can, you know, see light
Speaker 5: at the end of the tunnel. Love the show. Merry
Speaker 5: Christmas to you and yours and go cards as always.
Speaker 3: Take care David. Good to hear from you, my man.
Speaker 2: I will say, man, I agree with a lot of
Speaker 2: what he had to say when it comes to the
Speaker 2: you know, this team kind of being snake bit and
Speaker 2: you know there were there was no excuse for Louisville
Speaker 2: to have gone through what they went through the last
Speaker 2: few years. We all know that, and yet we heard
Speaker 2: excuses and we were we were viewed as unreasonable because we,
Speaker 2: you know, had the mindset that we shouldn't be four
Speaker 2: and twenty eight in one year and then win eight
Speaker 2: games the next year. And now you've got a coach
Speaker 2: that does things the right way, carries himself the right way,
Speaker 2: and he legitimately has excuses, reasoning as to why this
Speaker 2: team has kind of fallen short at times against good teams,
Speaker 2: and he's not going to make excuses about it, but
Speaker 2: he's actually dealing with something that is really going to
Speaker 2: limit what he can do in his first year here.
Speaker 2: And it just sucks, man, it really does. You know,
Speaker 2: not that you ever want anybody to get hurt or
Speaker 2: go through anything, but like for Pat to have to
Speaker 2: deal with it in his first year when there's real excuses,
Speaker 2: real reasoning, like it's just it's it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: There's no way around it.
Speaker 2: And when it comes to the Kentucky side, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I will, I will say this, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I've always been transparent. I want them to lose
Speaker 2: every game. And I don't tune in and watch every
Speaker 2: second of everything they do, but you know, if I can,
Speaker 2: if it's on, and you know, you know, certain games
Speaker 2: I will watch. Like I wanted to watch the Kenzaga game.
Speaker 2: I got to see a lot of that in the
Speaker 2: second half. You know, they were coming back and they
Speaker 2: were winning, and it wasn't it wasn't for me. It
Speaker 2: was like I lost sleepover or anything like that. But
Speaker 2: I don't like that. I find them hard, Like there's
Speaker 2: always gonna be go team whoever's playing against Kentucky and anything.
Speaker 2: But with Cal there and with some of the players
Speaker 2: they've had previously, it was never personal because I don't
Speaker 2: know them on an individual level, but like it was
Speaker 2: really easy to root against them. Now I'm always gonna
Speaker 2: root against them. It's not like I'm having trouble. But
Speaker 2: I don't find them to be unlikable, especially Pope, And
Speaker 2: that's just kind of something I'm gonna have to get
Speaker 2: used to. But I'm with you now when it comes
Speaker 2: to the bigs, you know, I hear you. I mean Waterman.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why he's playing college basketball at
Speaker 2: this level is because he is a good shooter. But
Speaker 2: to your point, David, I mean, right now, he's shooting
Speaker 2: not a great percentage from three. And I just feel like,
Speaker 2: if you're six eleven, two hundred and thirty pounds, you know,
Speaker 2: get to the free throw line early, get a bucket
Speaker 2: on the block or a mid range shot and that'll
Speaker 2: open up. That'll one get you more comfortable when the three,
Speaker 2: the three point shot is there. Like there just seems
Speaker 2: to be a desperation for Noahman to find the you know,
Speaker 2: to find the three point line, you know, get there
Speaker 2: and fire one.
Speaker 3: Up, and sometimes he makes it. He's a good shooter,
Speaker 3: but to me.
Speaker 2: He's the guy that just hasn't really looked comfortable with
Speaker 2: some of the three point shots that he's taken. Now,
Speaker 2: some of them have been good looks and just hasn't
Speaker 2: made him And that's just basketball, that's part of it.
Speaker 2: But you know, with Noah, I think there has been
Speaker 2: a real emphasis for him to help out on the backboard,
Speaker 2: but he just hasn't been able to get it going
Speaker 2: on these last couple of games. I mean, he's been
Speaker 2: in foul trouble. I don't think the matchups were great
Speaker 2: against ole Miss and Duke. But I feel like he'll
Speaker 2: have some games this year where you feel like he's
Speaker 2: made a couple of threes that really kind of changed
Speaker 2: the game. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked up Tonight's
Speaker 2: his kind of game, to be honest with you. And
Speaker 2: then with James Scott, I just you know, I think
Speaker 2: you can tell that he has been told you need
Speaker 2: to be you know, you need to bring it even
Speaker 2: more so than you ever have because we need your
Speaker 2: presence in the front court. We need you to help
Speaker 2: on the backboard. But with James Scott, we had to
Speaker 2: call her earlier this week that I thought made a
Speaker 2: really good point. He is such a non factor offensively,
Speaker 2: and you know, you don't have a lot of options,
Speaker 2: and if he's only taking two shots and their dunks,
Speaker 2: then fine. But like you, you are very easy to
Speaker 2: defend when one of the guys out there, the opposing
Speaker 2: team is not worried about in the slightest because they
Speaker 2: know the only way he's scoring is if he's catching
Speaker 2: a lob or he's right around the rim at an
Speaker 2: opportune time. So you know, you can't go make these
Speaker 2: guys different players right now in the moment. But I
Speaker 2: do think with Noah, I just wish there'd be more
Speaker 2: of an emphasis to get to the free throw line.
Speaker 2: You know, get a bucket in the paint, because you're
Speaker 2: six eleven, two thirty before you you know, you can't
Speaker 2: just pass up good looks because that's what you're out
Speaker 2: there to do, is take good shots. But I feel
Speaker 2: like he would have a much better ability to knock
Speaker 2: down threes if his game is working elsewhere before he
Speaker 2: starts chucking them up there, and I shouldn't say chucking
Speaker 2: them up because it's not. I mean, he's taken in
Speaker 2: the last two games. He's taking a total of seven threes,
Speaker 2: but he's only made one of them, and I don't
Speaker 2: think some of them have been great looks right, quick break,
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