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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Bobby Brown and welcome to another fucking podcast.

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Speaker 2: Kids with your loud music and your Dan Fogelberg, your Zeema,

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hula hoops and pac Man video games.

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Speaker 3: Don't you see?

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Speaker 4: People today have attention spans that can only be measured

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in namo seconds, old legends. They just do great black

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legend and an Adam work from with a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello Las Vegas, Hello world, Hello my royal minions.

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It's good to see you. What's I was going to

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be seeing a busy Presley host of the program, and

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my co host with that tooth go host for the

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intro at least Mike Gossip if they had a roll show,

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the water Cooler and all ended stuff, and Mitch the Dog,

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Mitch the doll. It's a good buddy. That's a good buddy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, you talked to today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I had a nice, fun, hour and a half long

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conversation with him, diving into rock and roll and flip

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and songwriting and songwriting and everything. It's a good time.

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Speaker 1: This is a dude. This is a dude that I

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first met when I was with you and we were

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uh working at a podcast convention rock and pod and

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I met Brynn and I immediately fell in love with

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him and in a totally gay way.

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Speaker 3: So we're clear, Well you're into older guys. What can

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you say?

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Speaker 1: No, dude, he's such, he's he's the greatest dude in

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the world. He's just he's a ton of fun. And

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this this is a hell of a fun interview.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good times. It's good times. And speaking of

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Rock and Pod, that yellow guitar behind me that you

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guys can see. I talked about this on the Patreon

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here say patreon dot com. Slash real is president. It's

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only five dollars a month that guitar I made. I mean,

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it's a cheap ass epiphone. I made it to honor

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Jeff Lebar when we did the show and at Rock

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and Pod we did rare hair and that was right

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after the great Burrito injury. And it's set up to

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spin and I whole half hardly attempted it with my

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fucking torn rotator cuff. Three times. I had to use

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the other arm. But that's that's that's my Jeff Lebbar

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tribute guitar. And that's actually for sale four hundred bucks

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shipping included stage played. I'll signed it. You guys want

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to hit me up. It's just one of those things

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I have. You know, it's cool, but I don't need it.

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You know. Let another Cinderella fan enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: So there you go, there you go.

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Speaker 3: What do you say we get into this? Mm hmm

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you got anything?

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Speaker 1: I think it's great? Enjoy the shit out of this.

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We certainly did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got anything to pimp before we run into

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the interview?

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Speaker 1: Nah? Just be good to yourselves and each other, all right?

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Speaker 3: So here we are going to play a classic Mike

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Dawson reading from the Book of Kiss, and right after

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that Brent Urens right here on another fucking podcast with

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Ezzi Presley and Mike.

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Speaker 1: Dawson, a reading from the Book of Paul Verse Animalize

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chapter under the Gun. Yeah, there's no speed limit where

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I'm coming from. Let's hit the highway doing sixty nine.

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Praise beat a Paul, How.

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Speaker 3: Are you brand? Are you good? I'm good, excellent, excellent?

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, dude?

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Speaker 4: Or on music. Just twenty four to seven, I was

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working on something just before tuning in live via satellite

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with Presley. Be a satellite nice. See what I did there?

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Speaker 3: I did? And of course tomorrow's his birthday.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, see what you did that?

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Speaker 3: I did not know this, And also the day they

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announced the day that I think it was the day

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they announced that Kurt died blazing.

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Speaker 4: dB Kurt, oh right, because.

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Speaker 3: I was looking at because I every year.

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Speaker 4: I yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Randomly grabbed that his shirt and sometimes it just always

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works out. It's the day that we found out he died.

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So weird.

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Speaker 4: He was great to do shows with. He was just

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like so low key and low stress. Never brought a

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drama to this situation.

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Speaker 3: Dude. My favorite Kurut story, La Guns was playing at

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the Red Carpet and they got set up, they did

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their soundcheck and the opening band comes in and goes,

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so are they gonna move their drums? Kirk looks at

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the drummer goes, they're not here to see you. You

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have three options set up in front of them, set

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up on the floor, or go home. That's it. That's it.

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They're not here to see you. They're here to see

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La Guns.

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Speaker 1: That's what you call choices.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't raise his voice, he just he was

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calling this is that's your options? That's it.

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Speaker 1: I love that shit. I love being calm and being

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right one time we were doing uh, we had we

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had this uh, this kid that was working for the

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show one time for the Corolla Show, and like he

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wanted to do some kind of game on the air

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and I hadn't heard about it, and all these things

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are supposed to go through me. Somehow this didn't go

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through me, and all of a sudden it's on the

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air and I'm just shaking my head, going this is

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a bad idea. So anyway, I told the kid it

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went horrible, and then I told the kid afterwards, I said,

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you don't do it like this. You run it through me.

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Here's what you got to do. And then one day

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he said, Dawson, can I talk to you? Can I

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talk to you about this after the show? I said, absolutely, dude,

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let's go outside and talk. We go outside and talk,

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and before he can say one word, I said, this

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conversation is not going to go the way you think

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it is. There are two producers on this show and

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they're both named Mike. End of conversation, very calm. It

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totally worked out, but I felt really proud of keeping

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my shit together. But also there was an element of,

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you know, I can be calm and be a total dick,

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and I'm gonna get a lot more out of this

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if I'm calm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm jealous.

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Speaker 4: I'm so with you on that.

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Speaker 3: I'm jealous. Both you guys are firing lung darts. I'm inside.

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I can't. Maybe I should move my whole setup out

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to the parking lot so I can fire lung darts

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with you guys.

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Speaker 1: How long you've been smoking, Brent, yep?

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Speaker 4: How long I'm gonna give it a night? Well, you

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know when you first start, I can't remember, like how

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long I kind of smoked. Like, by the way, this

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Mike isn't hooked up, but I felt so I see

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both you guys with your I mean it's hooked up.

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It hooked up to my recording gear. It's not hooked

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up to my show.

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Speaker 1: It looks great.

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Speaker 4: I felt so inadequate. Yea with you, Mike, thank you? Uh,

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I forgot what we were talking about.

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Speaker 1: When did you art smoking? How many years? Now?

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Speaker 4: So I've got a funny story. I started smoking, I

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want to say, in eleventh grade. And we had both

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an indoor and outdoor smoking area in our high school.

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fucking foosball table and a bumper pool table and a

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little pizza shack.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you smoke? I mean, and then I want

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to go play foosball. Yeah, this is the smoker's area. Well, shit, dude,

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give me a fucking pack.

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Speaker 4: And right by so that there was four glass doors

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access to the outdoor one and always every day of

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every in between every class, there was a dude standing

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somewhere by those doors selling joints for a dollar.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 4: And if you planned everything right, you took a home

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mech class on your fourth hour, which was which was

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classically the lunch hour, so you can use your lunch

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money to buy a joint but still eat at lunchtime.

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Speaker 1: That home act.

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Speaker 4: That was my that was my schedule.

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful. I uh a similar similar high school experience

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juniors and seniors at my private Catholic high school. Mind

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you uh, juniors and seniors were allowed to smoke cigarettes

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in the parking lot. If you were freshman and sophomore,

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you weren't allowed in the parking lot, So therefore you

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weren't allowed to smoke. But as soon as you're a

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junior and senior, as you step into the parking lot,

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you can light a cigarette.

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Speaker 4: They lifted the value of the real estate of that

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parking lot a lot. They were that fucking park. Hey,

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we have a parking lot. Let's let's fuck with them.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned that you're just producing music NonStop. Up,

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what are you working on right now, right now today?

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Speaker 4: For me, I'll show you because I was about to

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record something, but I was working on one of my

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mentees songs. I don't still have it up, do I know?

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And it's really cool, but uh.

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Speaker 1: M hm.

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Speaker 4: With mom no ham, what was I doing?

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Speaker 5: Shick with a lotitude.

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Speaker 4: Pretty chords?

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Speaker 1: H I that is very pretty. It's a little reminiscent

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of Melissa. Oh yeah, it's a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I could hear that.

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Speaker 1: But I like I like the I love one of

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the things that I was kind of never really able

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to do with songwriting because my knowledge of chords and

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guitar is, you know, I've been playing since I was

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fifteen years I still know five chords.

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Speaker 4: Don't let don't let the chords get in.

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Speaker 1: The way, right, yeah, exactly, don't let.

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Speaker 4: The chords get in the way of a good song.

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I can tell you these chords I found by mistake

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one day I do it. I do play a lot.

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This is open E tuning, and I do use it

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a lot. And I have a sock in here because

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I had to record, and I'm mute here because I

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had to record some really stickato like right, it was

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going on shang shang. Yeah, I forget what I'm talking

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about a lot. Now.

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Speaker 1: Well, what I was going to say a brain injuries,

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that's all right. What I was going to say was

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in that little groove you just played, I could tell

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that that first part was the intro to the song

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and that switched over into the verses. And that's one

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thing that that I respect that I always thought was

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kind of lacking in my songwriting. To get that, you know,

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that kind of hook and intro right out there in

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the beginning, and then you know, you return to that

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as you go. But that's not that's not the pattern

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of the verses or you know, it's just it. I

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Speaker 4: Well, it's it's tricky. It's a tricky thing because when

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you're playing just guitar, right, you really don't have any

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sebilance is that a real word of a vocal or anything? Right?

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The tendency is to overplay the guitar yeah, because now

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you're making up for everything. And actually, when you're playing

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guitar and writing by yourself, a person's tendency is to

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play every instrument down the guitar. So you start going,

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I'm playing the drums, I'm playing the bass. I got

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the rhythm. Wherever the drums and bass were there, I'd

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probably going, you know what I mean or something. So

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writing a song is a h when you're doing it

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on your own, you know, if you're not doing pre

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production with a band, and everybody is responsible for their

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own component, the drummer, the drums, obviously, the bass, the

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bass player. That takes the load off of the writer

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and it actually helps the writer and makes things a

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lot easier because now, if you have the right guys,

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you don't have to think about that ship right now.

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Now you're all just now you're doing this, and that's

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that's what we all hope for in a rock band,

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and it's wonderful for me. Is I have that in

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flip right, not to single out, not to leave out

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Mono in any way, shape or form, but Kilo and

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Greg and I have been playing together so long, and

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specifically really Greg even more so since nineteen seventy nine,

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and I'm here to tell you that Greg Guy and

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I'm and myself Cherry forever have never had a crossword

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since since nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 1: That's rare, would you agree?

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Speaker 4: We lived together, and we were poor together, and we

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moved to New York together with a garbage bag full

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of Jiffy muffins.

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Speaker 1: One of those they're like, I mean, obviously it's food

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that poor people eat, but I've never heard of it.

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Speaker 4: Clearly, they're like at the time, they were twenty five

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cents of box, and I think they would make four

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little muffins, four or five little muffins per and I

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think we like bought enough of them to like and

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cooked them and baked them or whatever and filled a

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garbage bag with them.

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Speaker 3: How long did they last?

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Speaker 4: Long enough? I don't know. I'm gonna guess, you know,

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in my it was so long ago, but I'm gonna

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sure we got really sick of them and they so

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they lasted a long time. Like there's a good chance

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that weeks later there were Chiffy Muffins sitting around like

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we just could the last three were sitting there for

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a long period of time. Nice, Well, what I was

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gonna say about this thing, and I said, I forgot

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what I said. I had a guitar upstairs, open tuned,

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sitting in my I have a breakfast nookie booth thing,

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and I had forgot that I had it open tuned,

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and so I just grabbed it and I went to

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play an E chord right shape right, And I went, well, huh.

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Speaker 1: So that's an E on an open E tuning, which

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is not an E.

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Speaker 4: Correct. Yeah, it's an E something. I'm guessing nine because

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it's pretty. If it makes you want to cry a

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little bit, it's a nine.

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Speaker 1: Ah.

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Speaker 4: If it makes you want to drop balloons from the ceiling,

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it's a seven. It's the beatles, nan can't dank ah.

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The nines are the sad chords. The nine it's a

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simple theory. It's the ninth note in the scale, so

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it's the second to last note in the scale. So

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it's that pretty oh open. It's so if I'm playing

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a G the nine would be just the next note

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down if you're playing the low, which is basically the bassis.

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Speaker 1: There it is. Yeah, that's the money guitar right there.

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Speaker 4: That's the basis for every flip song.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I keep on a new song the right, Yeah,

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come on.

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Speaker 4: A good time I paint you.

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Speaker 3: So you're just basically a CDC with different chords.

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Speaker 4: Looks exactly right. And I tell my man tees that

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that's why I said, let the chords get in the

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way of a good song. Name this song. You couldn't

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take it so hard, Keith Richards.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, there you go so hard, stop me.

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Speaker 4: Up, same key chords everywhere. He is a sound of moth.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Don't let the chords get in the way of

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a good well. Yeah, that it sounded it for a second.

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It sounded like a Pete Droge piece called Straylan Street,

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probably because it's the same chords.

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Speaker 4: Very possibly, and there's really only so many. It's not

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about you know, the tendant.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: The tendency for a player is to to immediately want

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to go to the next chord or the next note.

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If they're soloing. Now hang on to the that baby man,

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milk it and make it say something. Don't go get it.

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Don't say nothing, but go get that debt, debt, that

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that battle and it says something. So these are this

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is all I do with my whole life.

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Speaker 1: I love it, dude. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway you should should we start the segment?

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Speaker 1: Oh we hadn't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we can leave this in here if you

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guys want.

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Speaker 1: Oh I thought we were Yeah, I thought we were

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into it.

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Speaker 3: We'll just keep rolling, man, h keep rolling. Son. You

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guys are playing on the twenty seventh of February at

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Turf Club.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Correct, you guys know you don't. Flip doesn't play that often.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of it's getting more. We've just signed new management. Okay,

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but you're you're right, I mean I would, I would

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gladly play more, you know that being said? Yeah, that

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being said. You know the clubs in like you know,

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you know here we are today, right, it's like the

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clubs downtown Minneapolis, the.

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Speaker 2: Old and Gray Mayor. She ain't what she used to be.

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She ain't what she used to be, ain't what she

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used to be. So there's difficulties all over the place.

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Speaker 1: But then again, I mean, tell me how you feel

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about this. It's just is it still just? I mean,

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obviously there's a lot more to it, But in the end,

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is it really just the joy of playing music on stage?

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Is that? Is that still everything it is? Do you

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still get the same I'm beast the same feeling, and

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there's nothing like that feeling on earth.

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Speaker 4: You're one correct, And I've come to the conclusion that

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I am unwell because the only time I don't feel

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anxiety is on the way to the gig. At the gig,

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on the way home, on the way to the meeting

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with the record company, on the way to the studio.

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In the studio, playing guitar, helping others find their voice,

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which is what I do. I don't teach guitar. I

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don't teach cover songs. If a person wants to excel

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at their guitar playing, for instance, I say, we're going

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to do that with your material, and if you have

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to play it ten times, well, we're going to use

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your music and the things that you write, and I'm

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gonna help take those things and turn them, help teach

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you how to turn them into songs. And in the

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process of doing that, I suggest that you watch me

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do it. Like I do when a guy comes and

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fixes my hot water eater, I watch them so I

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can fix it myself next on him. So so even

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on a production level, I say, keep your eye on

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me and watch what I'm doing. I wouldn't suggest that

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you stop me and ask a lot of questions, because

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that could bog us down where we're in a creative

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space here and create creativity is is the upper you know,

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is is the goal. So let's not let anything get

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in the way.

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Speaker 1: So just watch right, and that I don't want.

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Speaker 4: If we want to have a production session, and that's it,

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I'm cool with that too.

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Speaker 1: Well. Often, yeah, if you if you stop like that

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to answer questions or explain something, it's almost like putting

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a stick in the spokes it. It's like we've we've

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just derailed the creative train.

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Speaker 4: Imagines you're on a potter's wheel, and that's a metaphor

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I use a lot because a potter's wheel and a

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wet piece of clay can just go anywhere, right, you

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can do anything with Chances are when you start you

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don't really have a finished product in mind, but you

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have just a rough. And also you should have is

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a rough because if you overthink it and decide for

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an end point before you start, you've just gotten rid

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of all other possibilities that could have come up while

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you were doing that. Right, So it's like if somebody

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you were doing the potter's wheel and you had the

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mud and it was wet, and somebody came up and

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stopped your potter's wheel, your tendency you would want to

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be to like maybe punch that person.

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Speaker 3: May Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's interesting.

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Speaker 4: That's so yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, the reason I kind of brought up yet that much,

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I was like because I was thinking it. So yeah,

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it's kind of the gear Daddy's thing.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: They only play a couple times a year, you know,

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and and it seemed to work for them.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna tell you something fun we got. We're

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going into the studio. We got new material coming and

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you might be glad to hear that one of those

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songs were recording his bubblegum machine. Really finally, yeah, finally,

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can you believe that? You know what? I think we

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have four or five records out and that's not not

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out there?

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Speaker 1: How long has this song been a part of the band.

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Speaker 4: Since the beginning and it was kind of a it

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was kind of a favorite out of the gate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah again.

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Speaker 6: Now, yeah, it's a bubble gumachhae.

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Speaker 4: Let's see if I can do it. This should be

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my brief production. We're all living in a fish plumb

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playing every instrument.

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Speaker 7: You live on the bottom of your shoes, yellow, blue, red,

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and the rain.

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Speaker 4: I'll turn that thing around. Then you just way down

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to see that's where.

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Speaker 2: I see you.

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Speaker 4: Live in with me inside the bubble gum machine. Gum gum,

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bubble gum, live in with me inside the bubble gum machine.

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It's a perfect waste of time.

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Speaker 1: Now, that is good.

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Speaker 3: Why was that song never put on a record?

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Speaker 4: Great question, because there's only so many songs up for

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a record, and somebody wants this one and somebody wants

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that one, and in those in those positions, I always

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leave it up to the producer.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So that was the same thing, kind of the

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same thing with hair Do because haird wasn't on that

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first record. I got it because it was on that

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ninety three X compilation.

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Speaker 4: Well, but it was recorded for the first record in Seattle, Yeah,

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which might be the version that ended up on that compilation.

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So and then we were.

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Speaker 8: Re we we we re re recorded the whole first

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record in l A at A and M after just

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a miserable failed attempt in Seattle?

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Speaker 3: What what what went wrong in Seattle?

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Speaker 4: Was the wrong just was in a good matchup between

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the band and the producers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, who was it? Who were the producers? Anybody that

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we would.

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Speaker 4: Know, Sure, Scott McCoy, Uh, he's like you know in Ri,

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been in Rim even since then. And Conrad who know who.

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So these were like kind of almost not sub pop guys,

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but kind of above that. Conran Hudo had just done

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She's Lom.

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Speaker 1: She's Lom, Presidents of the United States.

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Speaker 4: America and uh. And to bring it back to HAIRD

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one of the reasons they were chosen was because of

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the song Hairdo, which you could loosely go lump gee,

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I don't think you kind of it's this quirky, yeah,

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weird thing, and there was a thought that so we

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had two very certainly two very distinct styles. One was

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the quirky, schitzo boy psychobabble hair Do whole world sick thing.

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But then we also had the very kind of alternative

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power pop thing too with I wish I was a

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plan and all of the others all in my head, Dan,

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you know, on and on. So so. Producers that we

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would interview for doing the first record, some wanted to

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do the do the quirky flip. There's a great story

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with Bob Marlette Black Sabbath producer who was in love

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with Schizo boy. He just thought it was so fucking great. Well,

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then I went into A and M to do a

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soundtrack for the Crow movie, and Black Sabbath was. I

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was in Studio A where we are the world was

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was fucking made. And here's here's how cool Sabbath is.

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And Sabbath was in Studio C, which isn't much different

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than what I call hole in the wall studios here.

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It's about this size, right, And Bob Marlette, I'm outside

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having a cigarette. Marlette goes, hey, man, how you doing good? Good? Hey?

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I go, what are you doing? He goes, I'm here

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with Sabbath. Man, you want to come in. We're working

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on their new single. And I go, fuck, yeah, awesome.

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I go, what's going on there? He goes, Tony's laying

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down guitar and I'm like, fucking cool. So I go

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in there. Tony I home. He's just sitting on a

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little black couch thing he loves seat recording their new

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song called Psycho.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: Damn really, and Bob Marlette didn't put it all together

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fast enough and he starts playing. I go, what's it?

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Called and he goes Psycho Man, and I went, dude,

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that's funny. Remember how bad you wanted to record skits

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oh boy?

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Speaker 1: And he kind of went, skits a boy, Psycho Man. Yeah, no,

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it sounds like an unlikely superhero duo. Ah good, unlikely

474
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:49,319
superhero Yeah, Psycho Man and Schizo Boy.

475
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:54,559
Speaker 4: Unlikely Psycho How did the how did the record company?

476
00:29:55,039 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: How did Hollywood react when having to re record the

477
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:01,200
entire record?

478
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 4: I feel so fortunate.

479
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,279
Speaker 3: Because yeah, mean, because you guys were you were a

480
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:07,880
new band.

481
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:12,319
Speaker 4: Well, they had a lot of belief in us, Bob

482
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,400
fight for the president. There was gonna be flip cartoons

483
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:19,160
which were gonna be kind of like a late night

484
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,440
like the Monkeys on Acid, maybe the Monkeys meet the

485
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:30,279
Monkeys with swear words kind of cartoon, maybe thing maybe

486
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,400
not a far cry from a Beavis and butt Head

487
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:36,480
sort of vibe or something. And he gave us the

488
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:39,359
funds to redo the whole album, and I couldn't be

489
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,920
And the difference between the two sessions is like when

490
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,720
we got I'm proud to say that After a week

491
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:49,200
of the sessions in Seattle, I called the label and

492
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,880
I said, I don't think this is gonna work, and

493
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,960
they had me stick with it. And I called again

494
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,519
and I said, I don't think this is working. You guys,

495
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:03,079
I don't you know, there just not responding And so

496
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,039
I wasn't trying to cover my tracks, but I kind

497
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:12,640
of covered my tracks. And I think in Bob's defense,

498
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,400
I think he was so in love with My Generation

499
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:18,279
video and the fact that I had kind of just

500
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,559
hobbled that whole thing together myself. I think he had

501
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:24,880
more faith in me in that department than I deserved,

502
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,240
and maybe thought, well, Brent, if it doesn't go good,

503
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:31,480
Brent will just take over. He can do it. Look

504
00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:33,279
at that, look at my Generation.

505
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: Well, any reason why you didn't self produce? Because you know,

506
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,839
I mean, you have the skill. Is there the importance

507
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:45,599
of having another someone there another set of ears? Is

508
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,319
that the only reason just one need an alternate viewpoint?

509
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 4: Okay, more than just artistic, it's also logistic. There's a

510
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,440
lot of other shit that will bog down the artist.

511
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:04,839
And again this is something that's covered in my mentoring sessions.

512
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,240
The greatest in the world. Let's just I'm going to

513
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:11,640
just pull two out of my ass, Okay, Johnny Cash

514
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:17,519
and Glenn Campbell, Okay, benefited from a producer every time

515
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,559
there could we come up with examples of artists that

516
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:26,119
have been able to produce themselves to great effect? The

517
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,039
answer is yes, but we can come up with a

518
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:31,640
caveat for any subject we want to come up with, right, Sure,

519
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,799
So my personal feeling is yes, and an artist will

520
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:41,960
always benefit from a producer. And here's the really funky thing.

521
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,640
Part of producing is, as you know, for Christ's sake,

522
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:51,759
is knowing when not to do anything right. Yep, It's

523
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:55,319
more that that is knowing more than knowing what to do.

524
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,839
Almost that is like the A number one know what

525
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,599
to do when to do nothing thing like playing his guitar.

526
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: It's almost like it's almost like when you're if you're

527
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:10,240
self producing, you try almost try to make it too perfect,

528
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:13,640
and that can kind of take away from what you're

529
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,200
trying to do.

530
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of psycho Yeah, I think, yeah,

531
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,039
that would be another way of saying I think it's psycho.

532
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:24,680
Acoustics have a lot to do with it. For instance,

533
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,799
if I give a mix to the guitar player to

534
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,119
each different member of the band, the drummer does a mix,

535
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,720
guitar player does a mix. Singer does a mix, right,

536
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,799
a strange thing will happen. The singer will mix his

537
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,000
voice too quietly because he psychoacoustically hears it louder than

538
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,119
it actually is in the mix, because it's in his

539
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,279
head and it's interesting. But a guitar player will crank

540
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:51,680
the fuck out of his guitars because he can't hear

541
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,119
it either, but in a different way, right, So it's

542
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,960
that that's you know. That would actually be kind of fun.

543
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:01,799
They wouldn't have to do a record now, but each

544
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:05,160
member of the band mix it like mix.

545
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:11,119
Speaker 1: That would be a very fun ab and also would

546
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:14,400
make one hell of an extended re release.

547
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,159
Speaker 4: With the Odd Fathers, when we worked with Jack Douglas

548
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,000
and Eddie Kramer, the original concept was to do the

549
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:24,159
exact same songs with both of them so people could

550
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,719
really hear what the producer is doing, because when you

551
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,320
hear a producer produce a whole album, it's kind of

552
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,039
hard to discern what the producer does unless it's an

553
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:37,480
obvious thing like Kiss Destroyer, where it's so different from

554
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,519
the three records before it that it's clear, right, or.

555
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,199
Speaker 1: Or like the Doors Writers on the Storm where the

556
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,239
producer goes, oh, we need thunder and lightning here.

557
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 4: Paul rothschild. If I'm not mistaken, yeah I think so.

558
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,239
But yeah, so you know, I'm sorry if you ask

559
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,679
me these questions and I go off on a tangent.

560
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,599
Speaker 3: Oh that's great.

561
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,039
Speaker 4: But but there's you know, to really to feel like

562
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:08,880
I'm actually answering complete I feel like it's a requirement.

563
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:12,679
Speaker 3: You know. We bounce around so much on this because

564
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,840
you know this. I always saying this, this is a

565
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,199
shoot interview. I don't have anything written down in front

566
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,280
of me. This is just fuck it. Let's go here,

567
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:19,920
let's go here.

568
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 4: Well is he? You and I have known each other

569
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,440
for five million years?

570
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: Exactly.

571
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,199
Speaker 4: You're right, we've already written it down exactly.

572
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I interviewed you, and I

573
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,320
don't know if you remember this or not, it was

574
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,079
it was one of the magazine for the magazine. I

575
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:40,039
came by and uh songs. We were on the porch

576
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:43,519
and then I just started hammering you with fucking flip questions.

577
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:45,280
You just stopped, He goes. I knew you were gonna

578
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,079
ask me flip questions and and you and fuck it,

579
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,960
you did it. Man. It was great. And I remember

580
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,480
I asked you if Flip would ever play again, and

581
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:58,199
you said, well, I mean obviously answers, not no. I mean,

582
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,000
if somebody offers me twenty five thous and dollars, I'm

583
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:03,199
going to do it. But you went on into the

584
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,519
Odd Fathers. You went in, did all this other stuff,

585
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,880
American Standard, all this kind of stuff. What made you

586
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,760
decide to go back and do Flip?

587
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,039
Speaker 4: Oh, good question. Well, first of all, I had to

588
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:23,199
clean myself up. I ran into a problem, sure, and

589
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,639
so I did that. So the Odd Fathers was my

590
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,920
first toe tip back in to have it being in

591
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,679
a band. And the reason it wasn't called the Brent

592
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,119
Arnsband or something like that, which did come down the

593
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:43,559
line later was because I wanted to be in a band.

594
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:48,039
I didn't want to have to do everything again. Well,

595
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,239
I found out that's not possible in both of my

596
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:58,000
personality makeup, and if somebody's going to contact the group

597
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:02,800
about any particular thing, they're gonna call me right and

598
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,760
they do, and they did, but they showed the Oddfathers.

599
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,840
It was cool though. I mean, we fucking got that

600
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,719
deal right away, and you know, got to work with

601
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,880
Jack Douglas and Eddie Kramer, I mean, and put out

602
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,079
part one in part two, and I think the concept

603
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:19,599
of the whole Odd Father thing was really cool, the

604
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:24,960
pinstriped suits, the Italian words, the whole bit. I mean,

605
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,880
we almost started making spaghetti sauce at one point.

606
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: You know what is cool too, is when you're free

607
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,440
to not call the band by your own name. Your

608
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:43,000
name's already done, You're out there, that's that's what that is.

609
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,760
Now you get to think of another cool name and

610
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:50,960
there's a little bit of anonymity in there too, where

611
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,320
you get to kind of be like, no, it's a band,

612
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,400
It's not me and the band. Whereas you know, when

613
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:00,440
when I started the band that is he and I

614
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,280
play in now the Smoking Kills. I really wanted to

615
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,360
call it the Smoking Kills, not Mike Dawson and the

616
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,559
Smoking Kills, because I just wanted to be a part

617
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,119
of a band. But then what it came down to

618
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,400
is how are people going to connect this with my

619
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:23,280
previous work on iTunes. I'd like everything to sit together.

620
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,880
So the executive decision at the end before the record

621
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,800
came out was we got to change it to Mike

622
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,079
Dawson and the Smoking Kills so that it's easily findable.

623
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,199
But but there is there is a lot of freedom

624
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,840
and new creativity. It's like getting a new dog and

625
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,760
trying to think of a name, like here we go,

626
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,800
we get to do this again. What's going to be

627
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,159
the greatest band name?

628
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,519
Speaker 4: And it's like it's like walking in New York City.

629
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:50,239
It's like there's a million people, yet you're still invisible.

630
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, exactly, and and and it's fun to be

631
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,039
invisible a little bit.

632
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,519
Speaker 4: You're in there and not you know, it's kind of liquid,

633
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,760
you know, it's kind of like yeah, yeah, no, that's

634
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,000
no question about I. You know, I think I'd be remissed.

635
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna be remiss We're remissing you on the screen

636
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,880
and from your microphone as well. Here he is. I

637
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:28,480
love you, buddy. Uh oh yeah.

638
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:34,039
Speaker 4: Finyl Baby, Vinyl Baby, Smoking Kills on Vinyl rock Steady Records.

639
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:34,760
Go get it.

640
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:36,639
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

641
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: That leg will be in here.

642
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,119
Speaker 4: Go to band camp, rock Steady Records and fucking get it. Man.

643
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, there's an easter egg at the end of

644
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:45,559
side one.

645
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,039
Speaker 4: I mean the fact that we're sitting here like wow,

646
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:57,119
and this whole thing. I mean, okay, let's pretend we're

647
00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,800
a band, right, well, well, let's smoke and kills. I mean,

648
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,599
it's perfect for us exactly. I was gonna say, what

649
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:06,639
would we call ourselves? And then I looked at this

650
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,679
in the thing and I went to this, So, yeah, my.

651
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 3: Gossip, Brent, what was it that made you decide to

652
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,559
do flip again?

653
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 4: I'm sorry I diverted.

654
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,159
Speaker 3: No, No, it's all good.

655
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 4: It's all good, okay. So then the odd Fathers happened

656
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,679
and then it all got put in my lap anyway,

657
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:29,079
and you know I have a part to play in

658
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:36,159
that too, right, So then I decided to go with

659
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,800
Bryn Arns in The Blast, which, I is a cool name,

660
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,360
the Blast. It's a good name for a band. I

661
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,880
don't think there is one either, Actually it is, and

662
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:49,599
uh it's fun.

663
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

664
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 4: And I was gonna do Obsession. I was going to

665
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:03,280
do everything my whole obsession, funhouse, rattling bone, adfather's whips.

666
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,039
And I asked Greg iidem if he wanted to do it,

667
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:11,400
and he said yes, right, Duff played drums for us

668
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:19,719
for a period really yeah wow, And uh then we

669
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:27,559
got offered the reunion gig it first avenue and we

670
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,960
sold it out and I felt like an idiot.

671
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,039
Speaker 3: Well it's one of those things like you go away

672
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:36,920
long enough eventually.

673
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:44,079
Speaker 4: Well it wasn't guess you know, it was pretty fucking cool.

674
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,920
But that's when I just came to the realization that

675
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,159
I'm a dummy too, not just go into it, but

676
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,320
I think I did neet that acclamation period after what

677
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,480
I had just come out of before we pull that off.

678
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,000
If I would of went into full you know, it's

679
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:04,320
like not warming up before you run or something.

680
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, so was that not a runner though, I'll tell

681
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:08,320
you that.

682
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,639
Speaker 1: Then again, I imagine do you play golf at all ever?

683
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,079
Brent Okay golf? But if you did, I would say

684
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:18,599
that you're the kind of person who would not take

685
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:23,559
practice swings, just like me. And that's the opposite of this.

686
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:25,639
It's like, wait a minute, I better stretch before I

687
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,480
run here. And it also I think taking that break

688
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:34,239
makes getting back into it so much more worthy. You

689
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,599
need to miss something to really experience the joy of

690
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:44,320
it again, especially if it's you know, and.

691
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:50,119
Speaker 4: Who I am, no quote, you're again, You're just so perceptive,

692
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,840
so that that's what did it. And I'm really glad

693
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,840
it did? I mean I have been walking away again

694
00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,800
for one second.

695
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: It's all right, brother, I have.

696
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:06,159
Speaker 4: Been a professional musician since I was in the fifth grade.

697
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: Is awesome.

698
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:15,119
Speaker 4: Here's the drama from that band. Okay, the band was

699
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:19,480
originally called Ash of Evil, then it was called Evil Ash,

700
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,320
and then it was called Ash. Now in my memory,

701
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,320
that was like three years, but it was more likely

702
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,159
probably two months that those name changes. Yeah, I am

703
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,679
pleased to tell you that this band I started in

704
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,679
the fifth grade, played our first concert the next year,

705
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,119
stayed together till we graduated high school. Now, think about

706
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:46,199
that in terms of year, I'll use the term year

707
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,960
age because we're here in fucking eighth grade. One year

708
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,480
is the equivalent of what now ten?

709
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:53,559
Speaker 1: Yes?

710
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 4: Yes, so we got to do the math backwards and

711
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,960
let go. Yeah, those those seven eight years are of

712
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:09,440
the equivalent of twenty five thirty years right when you're

713
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,199
at that age.

714
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,599
Speaker 1: Well, because there is science behind that to back it up.

715
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:19,960
It's we have we have so much sensory perception that

716
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:24,400
were being overloaded, and it's like the days seem so long.

717
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:27,119
Remember when you were a kid, the night before Christmas

718
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,000
was interminable. It was it was endless. Now when you're

719
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:36,519
getting older, because we we we have our our perceptions

720
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:40,719
have been limited through age. Now time seems to fly

721
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,880
a lot faster.

722
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 4: When you're one day old and then you're two days old,

723
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,280
that second day is half your life.

724
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:49,079
Speaker 1: Right.

725
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 4: Oh shit, that's that's the real theory.

726
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: That's right.

727
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 4: You're only ten years old. Six was half your life, right?

728
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:03,480
So but some of them. Here's some fun facts regarding

729
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:06,960
so I'm sad to say I'm sad to say that

730
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,639
the reason I got this was the drummer carried down

731
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:17,159
Brock passed away from a Yeah, but some but and

732
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,920
him and I started the band together. We were playing

733
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,320
hockey at a rink and he goes, hey, man, I

734
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,480
heard you have electric guitar, because I got a drum set.

735
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,440
And we literally on my steel runner sled that night.

736
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:35,559
Brought my wardsamp and my t Scoe guitar down to

737
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,719
his basement and stayed there till I fucking graduated high school.

738
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: Wow, Jesus, can I ask you what your parents did

739
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:43,800
for a living.

740
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, my mother was a homemaker extraordinaiy like Martha Stewart

741
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,320
would drop her jaw. We never had store bought bread.

742
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,000
For instance, which ship which. Because I thought we were poor,

743
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,199
I would go over to kids's houses and they'd have

744
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,840
wonder bread and I'd be like, like, you're rich.

745
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:13,679
Speaker 1: And totally dude. I asked my mom one time when

746
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:15,760
I was a kid, I said, Mom, how come we

747
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,119
never get Chef boyard? And she said, because you got

748
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,880
Chef boy are you lucky? Your mom can cook?

749
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:29,639
Speaker 4: Dude? Bingo bingo? There were there were rows and Rosa

750
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:32,159
cookies on the counter. I swear every day I came

751
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:35,519
home from school made her own bread. She she won

752
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:41,400
every baking thing in the Minnesota State Fair that you

753
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,920
can possibly win, and then some to the point where

754
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,280
they had to ask her to stop putting shit in.

755
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: Oh that's funny.

756
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 4: And when we were little and my mother this was

757
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,159
her art. Is kind of where I'm going with this,

758
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:01,559
because I consider a true artist. Uh, when we didn't

759
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:04,519
have anything to do, when we're bored, you know, when

760
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,480
you're little. I got a funny story about my grandma

761
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,559
when I said that to her once, but which was

762
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:13,360
a real life lesson. My mom would have books of

763
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,519
like famous painters, That's what she would say. She'd go

764
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:21,440
go listen to some music, go look at those books

765
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,159
of those painters. I remember that very specifically.

766
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: What's the story of your grandmother?

767
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 4: Well, the story with my grandmother as once I was little,

768
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,800
we lived across the street from a park, which is

769
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,599
where the hockey place was where I met carry. I said,

770
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:41,079
I was bored. Now. My grandma grew up on a farm.

771
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:47,400
Not having anything to do is beyond luxurious to her.

772
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:49,039
Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah.

773
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 4: And she looked at me with the stink eye of

774
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,239
a spoiled little nineteen seventies sixties kid with a TV

775
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,199
and a radio in his room and across the street,

776
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,960
complain that he ain't got nothing to do. Right, she

777
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,960
would have added, she would have been out slit in

778
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:07,960
the throat of a hog.

779
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:14,039
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah, Brandon, What do you remember about the sixties?

780
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,119
Did you get to go to see the Beatles at

781
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,719
at oh Matt Stadium? Were you too young?

782
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: Greg went? Cherry went really? Yeah? He also saw the

783
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,480
Dave Clark five at the Armory is his dad took them?

784
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: So?

785
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:31,679
Speaker 4: And to get back to my parents, my dad was

786
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,559
the inventor of Are you familiar with scratch and sniff?

787
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:35,599
Speaker 3: Yeah?

788
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,079
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, my dad invented that.

789
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,639
Speaker 1: Did you know that I'm sure you know, especially since

790
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:45,920
your dad was the inventor of scratch and sniff.

791
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 4: Some cat to that story, but yet that's that's the headline.

792
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,119
Speaker 1: Well, the gimmick one of that one record label used

793
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:58,280
one time as they put a scratch and sniff on

794
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,960
the cover of one band's album and it smelled like

795
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:04,239
the band's name. Do you know the band?

796
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,039
Speaker 4: Oh? I love this The Rasberries.

797
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, glad, I knew that. I think I don't.

798
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,039
I can't think of any other answer that might fit,

799
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:23,360
but it's got to be out there. I mean the cars,

800
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:27,159
the cars. They could do a new car smell, scratch

801
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,800
and sniff and have released it on a car well, a.

802
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,119
Speaker 4: New cars album, a new car smell. That's brilliant. If

803
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:41,400
they see this and don't do that, oh, that's fucking great.

804
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,360
Where what I'm sorry is he?

805
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: I was just asking you know what you remembered about

806
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,199
the sixties and music wise. That's why I asked you

807
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,360
if you did get to see the Beatles at that

808
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:52,000
stay down.

809
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: My first concert was Alice Cooper Welcome to My Nightmare

810
00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:04,480
Tour with the James Gang opening with Tommy Falling on guitar. Yeah,

811
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,280
it was fucking awesome. My older brother Rhett took me

812
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,639
and he vowed to never take me to another concert

813
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,760
after that because I was doing I had a chair

814
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,239
in the aisle and I was like doing full blown.

815
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,639
Pete Townsend jumps into the aisle the concert off of

816
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,559
my chair and I embarrassed him.

817
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: That's funny. What was the first record you ever bought

818
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,360
with your own money?

819
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:31,039
Speaker 4: Well, as far as music in the sixties go, I

820
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:34,159
can tell you. I think my favorite band is Three

821
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,920
Dog Night. Really yeah.

822
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:44,679
Speaker 1: The bass player on the Smoke and Kills record is

823
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,480
Tim Hutton. Oh, Danny Hutton's son. Correct, And we recorded

824
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:54,760
a lot of that in Danny Hutton's studio where they

825
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:59,280
they they dug a hole and recreated stacks in Laurel Canyon.

826
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:03,039
Speaker 4: My little brothers Kuy is working on a documentary right

827
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:04,199
now about Three Dog Night.

828
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: No really, Well, if you want a connection, I've got

829
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,039
it for you. I can easily put you in touch

830
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,199
with Tim. I would be more than happy to do that.

831
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,559
Speaker 4: He is what you know what the second song is

832
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:15,800
we're cutting in the studio.

833
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: Tell me.

834
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it open tuning, So no, I'm not

835
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:34,679
so fuck it up. Our version. Jeremiah was fro tell

836
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,400
you it sings it the man.

837
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: In Wine.

838
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: And the reason the documentary is getting made is because

839
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,760
they're trying to induct three Dog Knight into the Hall

840
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,599
of Fame. Is I don't know that as fact, but

841
00:51:58,639 --> 00:51:59,559
that's that's.

842
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,599
Speaker 1: The they They should be there. They should be there

843
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,440
solely for the reason that uh Negron's dick blew up?

844
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:11,480
Just for that reason.

845
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 4: Wasn't there a whole uh like section of his book

846
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,280
that was literally called my dick Blew Up?

847
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:28,119
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, yes, he is disgusted right now, Izz he

848
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,480
is rethinking asking Dawson to be on this podcast.

849
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 3: I'm I'm reimagining my my great burrito injury and the

850
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,079
fall on them where I almost fell off the cliff

851
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,920
when I was driving back and almost died, and thinking

852
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:46,800
how bad that hurt driving from there alone in that

853
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,880
car for seven hours to get back to Vegas and

854
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,440
how bad that hurts when I sneezed and I thought

855
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,559
I was going to die. But this guy's dick blew up?

856
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,679
Speaker 4: What? What? What? What's the burrito incident?

857
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:01,519
Speaker 3: I was running for a brito and I because I

858
00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:03,519
wanted to beat somebody in line and my knee gave

859
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:05,840
out and I crashed in front of the fucking Britle

860
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,000
Place and I tore my rotator cuff.

861
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, light a candle, curse the glare.

862
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:14,519
Speaker 3: And the worst part was the people I was trying

863
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,639
to beat in line. They had ordered ahead. They're just

864
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:17,320
picking it up.

865
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,599
Speaker 1: Wow, those decks.

866
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,519
Speaker 4: That's not easy, dude, You live a hard life.

867
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what your grandma would have said about that.

868
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 3: You mentioned how you you mentioned how you had to

869
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,800
get yourself cleaned. How much of that was the end

870
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:44,679
of You still.

871
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,159
Speaker 4: Get the burrito? Did you get there?

872
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 3: Of course?

873
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: Of course no. He saw it through. Mission accomplished. But

874
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:55,079
there was some casualties. Yeah, he took he took some shrouds.

875
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 4: The case better than it change. The flavor was the experience,

876
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,000
the experience, It was still everything.

877
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 3: By the time I got home, the adrenaline had wore

878
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,079
off and the pain was starting to set in. And

879
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:08,480
then I realized I couldn't lift my arm higher than this.

880
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I've never should have gotten a chili dog

881
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,199
in addition to the burrito, right to up the endorphins

882
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:19,960
after I was done.

883
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 4: I love a good fucking salty dog. Oh yeah, I

884
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,920
love it well.

885
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: The last time we saw your face, or the last

886
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,320
time I saw your face at least Brinn. I don't

887
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,360
know if Izzy has seen you since, but you came

888
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,880
out to Ireland's thirty two in Van Eyes with us

889
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,639
on a Tuesday night Jam night, right, yeah, and classically

890
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:51,039
you showed up in pajamas, which made me smile, and

891
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,360
you were going to be in La for a few

892
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,000
days and you said to me, Hey, let's get together

893
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:59,760
and write a song. And I'm like, that's a great

894
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,639
f fucking idea. And then life got in the way

895
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,920
of living. And then I called you like six days

896
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,800
later and you're like, dude, I'm out of town now,

897
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,840
I'm gone. And I'm like, so, I was crushed by that.

898
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,000
And uh, I don't think I ever like formally apologized

899
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:19,440
to you for not getting on the ball, because I did.

900
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,400
I did understand how fucking cool that would have been.

901
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,360
And I've been beating myself up over it since we're

902
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,840
going to write a song. We are going to write

903
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,159
a song about a dad who says he's going out

904
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,480
for cigarettes. Yeah, and he never comes home.

905
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. I remember going dude. I like that.

906
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:43,119
I mean I remember going, I like that, I'm in.

907
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,079
Speaker 1: But do you have you? Have you been or I

908
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:49,760
know you haven't, but I don't think you have been?

909
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,920
But any more plans to come out to l A

910
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:58,239
and is this is? I don't know how far? How

911
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,119
far is Flip going to go? What are we doing here?

912
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:05,119
Let's what's the expansion? And you know there. I know

913
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:08,119
there are a million factors to what happens, but what's

914
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:08,719
the idea?

915
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 4: No idea? Just to do take it as it comes. Again,

916
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,239
I've done as professionally since the fifth grade. I understand

917
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,960
completely and clearly that it's a liquid existence.

918
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:22,519
Speaker 1: That's an album title.

919
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 4: Liquid existence. That's a bad seventies prog rock band.

920
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: Oh is it really?

921
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 4: No?

922
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: I no, No, it should be.

923
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 4: Yes, of course it's so much so you thought maybe

924
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:34,159
it was.

925
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: No. No, I'm so gullible that I don't even get

926
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,760
a tag on my own joke.

927
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:42,519
Speaker 4: Okay, hey, I got a joke for you, Dawson. I

928
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,679
just told you how many groupies does it take to

929
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:46,840
screw in a light bulb?

930
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,639
Speaker 1: I want to say, that's not their job, but what you're.

931
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 4: Right, the correct response is why would you have him

932
00:56:58,559 --> 00:56:58,880
do that?

933
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: Exactly?

934
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 4: So you're right. You're the first person I've ever told

935
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,639
that joke to that that got it right.

936
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: I like that joke.

937
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 4: We were talking about, SOH songwriting. We can still do this.

938
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,920
Do you have a recording reg you sure you do?

939
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: I do so do? I Okay, let's uh, this is

940
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,480
what I do. Let's plan it out and uh and

941
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:29,320
see what we can do.

942
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 4: I like that time in our lives.

943
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: Of course we do.

944
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, can I the three of us, let's let's write

945
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,800
a theme song for this show.

946
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great idea, dude. I had an idea

947
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:49,760
about a song about a song from the h Only

948
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:55,159
only snobbish audio engineers will really appreciate this. But the

949
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:59,360
song is written from the point of view of the

950
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:06,440
front of how and it's everybody. Everybody is asking for

951
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:10,239
more of me? Can I get a little more of me?

952
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's called the Ballad of Night Bob.

953
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 4: Oh, dude, that's good.

954
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: But can I ask you a question that we saw.

955
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:25,719
Speaker 4: About a woman who was in love with her vibrator

956
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,880
from the point of view of the vibrator. Oh, it's

957
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,679
kind of a pinocchio ish kind of almost vibe going on,

958
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:40,199
called the automatic man. Ah, that's what did he do

959
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,639
the things you know that I can do? What did

960
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:46,880
he say when he uped and walked away? So I'll

961
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,880
just wait here in the face of all things going down.

962
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,880
But now you know it, you're no good all alone.

963
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,559
Speaker 3: I like that shit, Dawson. What were we gonna ask?

964
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Brent, we we did have that spectacular

965
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:07,039
weekend out in Tennessee, uh where it was the Rock

966
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:13,159
and Pod h Conference. I wouldn't call it a festival,

967
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:14,960
but it was a conference and you know, all the

968
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:17,360
rock podcasts were there and that was a lot of fun.

969
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,440
And that's where you and I first met man. And

970
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:25,239
then you know, I grew up in California, so I

971
00:59:26,199 --> 00:59:32,719
wasn't the Zip Flip was not in my zeitgeist growing up.

972
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:36,840
And so I've been able to go back and be like, oh, yeah, no,

973
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:40,400
here's a new cool band. Here's a new band from

974
00:59:41,159 --> 00:59:46,599
forty years ago. Let's fucking go and that. And I

975
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:53,719
love I really love the makeup. I it feels to

976
00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:56,880
me more of a gimmick. It feels like a personality change.

977
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,880
That's a different person up there. That's not bryn Ar,

978
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,079
that's that's the singer of Flip.

979
01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 4: There isn't a flip gig that doesn't go by that.

980
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:08,079
I don't contemplate it. I'll tell you that much.

981
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:10,039
Speaker 1: Tell me about that.

982
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 4: Well, one of these days it'll happen. You want to

983
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,159
know what stops me. So there was a period, you know,

984
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,320
when we had the hit, where I was putting that

985
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,480
shit on and off three times a day. Go to

986
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:24,039
a radio station, do an end store, play this, a

987
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:26,920
play of that, play a corporate cag play over there,

988
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:31,599
then go play at the big show at night. And

989
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:36,480
it's really messy mm hmm. And no, I never was

990
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:40,039
given like Britain, we set up this place for you.

991
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,599
I had to everywhere we go, go find the bathroom

992
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:45,880
or whatever it would be to put that stuff on.

993
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,519
And I mean, you can even probably see here my

994
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:53,440
place is fairly tidy. I might I might have a

995
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,400
small amount of clean freak in me, and so I

996
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,559
was unable to leave all that white powder. And the

997
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,760
makeup is oil based, so it's like working with taint.

998
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:05,519
So you're putting it on. Then you go to turn

999
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,880
on the faucet. Now there's makeup all over the fawcet handle.

1000
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:14,840
And then so by the time I'm done, there's white face, powder,

1001
01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:19,719
and fucking there's just shit everywhere. It was really messy

1002
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:23,360
and that's what keeps me from doing it now. If

1003
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,079
somebody would have taken the bull by the horns and

1004
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:30,079
set me up with the place everything I needed to

1005
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:32,360
put it on and off every day, be a totally

1006
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:33,199
different story.

1007
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 3: How much of that makeup really was you? Though? Do

1008
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,599
you feel like you are that split personality that the

1009
01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:42,639
makeup portrays?

1010
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:43,719
Speaker 4: Nope?

1011
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: Is there is there an element?

1012
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:52,119
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it's a post occurrence, not a not a

1013
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:58,559
premeditated When I was an ash of evil, Oh the

1014
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:01,199
Angels saying there was there's a band in my town

1015
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:06,519
called Backbreaker. The lead guitar player's name was Johnny Johnson.

1016
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:09,679
He had a Marshall and an SG in like nineteen

1017
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,639
sixty nine. That was a big fucking deal. He wore

1018
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,719
half black, half white face. So when we did the

1019
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,400
My Generation video at the sound Gallery, which was a

1020
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,119
block away from Teeners, which is a theater, makeup store

1021
01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:29,880
and clothing and stuff, all the stuff for the theater,

1022
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,360
I decided, this is just a throwaway we were doing,

1023
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,719
and I was doing it so a friend, Calm Johanovich

1024
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,519
can film his life. I'm like, I'm gonna fucking do

1025
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:42,440
I'm gonna pretend I'm Johnny Johnson and I'm gonna do

1026
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,760
the half black half Johnny Johnson because I used to

1027
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,119
watch them through their basement window like Stare watches the

1028
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:51,280
fuck he had an echo plex. They're playing Muscle of

1029
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,880
Love by Alice Coopridge, and I'm just like, I was

1030
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,840
just enamored. So that's where the black white face comes.

1031
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:04,679
There was no like are big, Yeah, nothing smart there?

1032
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,239
Speaker 3: Now when did when did Bill Acoin come into it?

1033
01:03:10,639 --> 01:03:15,559
And how much did Bill have? How much was that

1034
01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:18,360
you guys are and how much of it was Bill

1035
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,920
that kind of brought the characters to life?

1036
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 4: None of it was Bill?

1037
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 3: Okay.

1038
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 4: That being said, a producer knows when not to do nothing.

1039
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:35,239
Same goes with the manager. Okay, there's plenty of other

1040
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,880
things he did that are phenomenal. That was not one

1041
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:46,239
of them. That started out with me really wanting to

1042
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:49,760
do something that harkened back more to Obsession here. For

1043
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,920
my my first band that was big in the Twin

1044
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,000
Cities was called Obsession. There was a doctor in the

1045
01:03:55,079 --> 01:03:58,599
band that predates prints. There was a doctor in the band.

1046
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:02,519
The drummer dress, stuff like the Little Rascals. The lead

1047
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:05,599
singer was like a heavy metal guy with studs and leather,

1048
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:11,480
and I was Johnny Thunders. I wanted and I liked that.

1049
01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:17,079
I've always liked character based bands, the sensational Ale Tarve Band, Kiss,

1050
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:22,679
the Beagles, the Monkeys, and so that was really what

1051
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,039
I wanted to do. I remember when I was living

1052
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,280
in New York and Kelo was flying me back and

1053
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:33,280
forth to do demos to Minneapolis with them. One day,

1054
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,960
I'm watching the Jenny Jones Show and there's a drug

1055
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,000
dealer on the Jenny Jones Show with the synthesizer voice

1056
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,719
you know, no sure.

1057
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah too to protect them, Yeah, make it

1058
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,440
seem like a bigger deal than he actually both or

1059
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,679
both And anyway, the guy's name was Kelo.

1060
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,119
Speaker 4: And I just went that name is badass. And I

1061
01:04:57,159 --> 01:04:59,320
picked up the phone and I go, dude, how would

1062
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,039
you feel about being Keiloh? And he goes, He goes,

1063
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:07,480
I mean like keel o'bale. I go, perfect, Ye, that

1064
01:05:07,639 --> 01:05:11,079
was it, So that's kind and then we showed. Then

1065
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:13,880
when we did our first photo shoot, Greg grabbed a

1066
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,599
banana and put it in his pants, like phallic is

1067
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:21,559
phallic Leo Ward, and so for a very short time

1068
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:25,079
his name was Nana Boy because.

1069
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: I was just banana Yeah, okay.

1070
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 4: Bana Boy. And then he just showed up to rehearsal

1071
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,679
and he goes, you know what, I go what he goes,

1072
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,280
I came up with Cherry Forever. I like it better

1073
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,239
than Nana Boy. I go, I do too dumb. And

1074
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,480
then when Kai got in the band, he would show

1075
01:05:43,559 --> 01:05:47,760
up one day. He was bald, but he would have

1076
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:52,239
little bits of hair coming out and then he would

1077
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,079
shave it and I'm like, god, ky, you look like

1078
01:05:54,079 --> 01:06:00,920
a chia petchia, And and he would up to rehearsal

1079
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,400
and Greg would look at him chia and it just

1080
01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:06,920
like then it turned into Chia. So that just kind

1081
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,679
of happened. Then when we signed with Walt Disney, there

1082
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,320
was talk of me actually being Flip, that that would

1083
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,920
be my name that came up in a meeting. And again,

1084
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:22,119
to Bob Pfeiffer's credit, we'll get back to Bill a Cooin.

1085
01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:25,880
Bob Pfeifer's credit, he was like, you have all these

1086
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,719
cartoony names in the band. He goes, you need to

1087
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,400
remain in the human element in the band. Plus hear

1088
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,000
the front man. And he's the guy who said, he goes,

1089
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,000
I like the makeup in the My Generation video. I

1090
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,800
mean he pushed that thing. It was the number two

1091
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,800
independent music video in the US that year and number

1092
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,599
one in Canada and Mexico. So he did he did

1093
01:06:48,639 --> 01:06:52,880
a great job. And I love Bob still to this day.

1094
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,599
But he's the one who said, He's like, we went

1095
01:06:57,639 --> 01:07:00,800
and played the dragon Fly, we went and played the Ritz,

1096
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,320
we went and played the Viper Room, We played all

1097
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,239
those places early on in LA and he was like, no, no, no, no.

1098
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,840
He goes, You're so expressive on stage, that makeup just

1099
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,840
is one dimensional. He goes, he just get this or this,

1100
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,599
but when you're playing on he goes, no, no, no.

1101
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:20,760
So he was the guy who like made sure that

1102
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,159
I stayed that. Now back to what was Bill a Coin.

1103
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,880
Bill a Coin first saw us in the late eighties.

1104
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:33,280
He was hired for Funhouse to help develop a stage

1105
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,639
performance with the band. There was a problem with the

1106
01:07:36,679 --> 01:07:40,800
stage performance of Funhouse that I was basically Pete Towns

1107
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,519
and meets Johnny Thunders, and the singer was more of

1108
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:49,360
a is a very cool, calm and collective badass. In

1109
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:55,519
more of a Phil maug Ufo or maybe Bond Scott

1110
01:07:55,719 --> 01:07:58,599
kind of way. But they wanted to and we were

1111
01:07:58,719 --> 01:08:01,440
getting interest from Lab was Rolling Stone and just called

1112
01:08:01,519 --> 01:08:05,880
us the best unsigned band in America. And so Bill a.

1113
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,199
Coin was brought in to help figure out a way

1114
01:08:09,199 --> 01:08:12,880
to create a bouncing act on stage. Herb Guard, by

1115
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,960
those two are my favorite managers of all time. Herb

1116
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Guard I could go on for days anyway. Bill Brow

1117
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:24,720
is brought in to help develop the stage show and

1118
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,720
even in it out across the board because I guess

1119
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,239
I was a stage hog by all and purpose. And

1120
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:33,159
we get down with the first session and we're walking

1121
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:35,279
up towards the front. Is that you were at the

1122
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:38,760
sound gallery right? Yeah? The front There was like a

1123
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,079
front room in the sound gallery, curb wall. It was

1124
01:08:41,119 --> 01:08:43,239
really cool in there, and we went in there and

1125
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:46,039
as we're walking, I feel a tug out the back

1126
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:49,279
of my shirt and it's Bill and I turn around

1127
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,000
and go, hey, man, what do you think? He goes.

1128
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,319
He goes, I think you should be the front man

1129
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:58,239
for the band. And I'm like, you mean fire the singer.

1130
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:02,720
He just kind of shrugged. He didn't say yes or no.

1131
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:09,399
Later on I had never even sang backup vocals before Flip.

1132
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,560
I was hired to write songs for somebody else that

1133
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:14,640
turned into Flip.

1134
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 1: Did you ever did you believe that you could sing?

1135
01:09:22,039 --> 01:09:22,640
Or no? Yeah?

1136
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I still don't really believe me too.

1137
01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1138
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody ever really does, though, for maybe

1139
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,479
Slein Dion or something. You know, they think she can

1140
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,239
sing too much.

1141
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:43,359
Speaker 1: I mean, Whitney did so much cocaine.

1142
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:53,359
Speaker 4: Yet that it's ultimately a turn on. So when Flip

1143
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:57,680
happened and I became the lead singer, it dawned on

1144
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:03,199
me one day that said this three four years ago,

1145
01:10:03,319 --> 01:10:05,239
that I should be the front man. I'm gonna call

1146
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:09,239
him up. And that's how Bill got back in the picture. Now.

1147
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:12,279
One of the beautiful things that Bill did. We started

1148
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,840
at a tour with Evan Essence right when they're whatever

1149
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:16,880
that song was was.

1150
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,119
Speaker 1: Wake Me Up Inside.

1151
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, and at the end of all of our shows.

1152
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,880
This is the makeup era. This is later on, you know,

1153
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:31,680
the Columbia Records, Artemis Records era. Yeah, we did a

1154
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,680
show with Evan Essence, and we would inevitably close each

1155
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:39,000
show with a pillow fight. Feather pillows. Okay, we're free

1156
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:43,119
cut and would make a huge right. I mean it was.

1157
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:44,359
Speaker 1: Especially with the right lights.

1158
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 4: Awesome.

1159
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: Dude, Yeah yeah, dude, that's it's so much better than smoke,

1160
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:49,439
bro It's.

1161
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 4: Better, way better. Yeah. And we had leaf blowers and

1162
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,720
shop facts. Our crew is that you remember. Get that

1163
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,560
ship cleaned up like it was nobody's busines this right,

1164
01:11:01,399 --> 01:11:03,520
it was still all out in the crowd and stuff

1165
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,680
and on the ground, and the bars really hated it

1166
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,000
because any kind of sink with liquid in it would

1167
01:11:09,039 --> 01:11:11,239
get full of feathers and he couldn't get him out.

1168
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,399
We actually played a game at one place once we

1169
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,000
did the feather pillow fight. Got a call from him

1170
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,640
complaining that there was feathers and all the sinks. The

1171
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,319
next day I sent him three buckets of chicken. I said,

1172
01:11:23,399 --> 01:11:27,159
here's the rest of them.

1173
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 3: Well, you guys, you used to have to sneak them in, right, yeah.

1174
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. So then we got in trouble doing it. Nobody did.

1175
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,560
So we made all these amp cabinets dummy cabinets where

1176
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,159
the backs came right off, and we hid feather pillows

1177
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:41,840
in them. And then towards the end of the show,

1178
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,000
the crew behind the back line would just pull those

1179
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:46,560
off and hand them to us. We're like, fuck it, right,

1180
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,239
we're doing it. We're playing a festival and tell us

1181
01:11:49,319 --> 01:11:52,079
not to don't do the pillow. We hire a helicopter

1182
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:56,119
and fucking drop feathers on everybody. You know, so but that,

1183
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:57,439
but that's so.

1184
01:11:58,279 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 1: That's what I call money well spent.

1185
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,399
Speaker 4: After that Evan Essence gig, we're walking back to the

1186
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,960
tour bus and their tour manager punches my tour manager,

1187
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,279
Sean Walgren in the back of the head gold cocked

1188
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:14,880
him out of nowhere because of the feather pillows quote unquote.

1189
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,960
The truth is is fuck crowd wanted an encore. We

1190
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,239
went over huge and it bummed them out.

1191
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1192
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 4: I'm back in the tour bus with Bill a Coin

1193
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:26,720
and he's talking to the agent. Of course, we had

1194
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,640
to sign with Evan Essence's agent to get on the tour. Yeah,

1195
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,479
and they just got a call. He just got a

1196
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,840
call from Evan Essence and he's throwing a fit and

1197
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,720
he's gonna drop flip and everything, and Bill grabs a phone.

1198
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,039
He goes, you know, you told me you wanted a

1199
01:12:43,159 --> 01:12:47,199
rock band. He goes, you don't get any more rock

1200
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:50,279
than what just happened, go fuck yourself. And that was that.

1201
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,600
That's when I went Bam. I like this guy. He

1202
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:59,199
didn't physically say go fuck yourself, but he said but

1203
01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:02,119
he did say, hey, man, you said you wanted a.

1204
01:13:02,199 --> 01:13:06,239
Speaker 1: Rock band, right right. It reminds me. You've reminded me

1205
01:13:06,319 --> 01:13:11,520
of something that my my dear friend, multi instrumentalist, great singer,

1206
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,680
Jonathan McEwan always told me. He always called and and

1207
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,600
I don't think this is the case for you, but

1208
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,119
I think you can see how it is the case

1209
01:13:19,159 --> 01:13:27,399
for a lot. He always called managers damaging and producers

1210
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:32,239
reducers exactly. And it seems to me like you've you've

1211
01:13:32,319 --> 01:13:36,199
navigated that gauntlet very well, and you've been very successful

1212
01:13:36,359 --> 01:13:40,319
in in the people now. And it's it's not just

1213
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:44,720
that you picked them, but they picked you, and you

1214
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,600
gotta you gotta feel some kind of I think you

1215
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,159
should feel a little bit of musical pride inside that

1216
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:52,039
I will.

1217
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 4: Take it a step further. Being a broke young musician

1218
01:13:55,159 --> 01:13:59,760
sleeping on people's couches and stuff, right, let's not confuse

1219
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,680
that with real homelessness. I was a cute white rock

1220
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,479
and roller did not have a hard time finding a

1221
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:09,079
couch or a sleep by in the early eighties, but

1222
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:12,920
that was broke. Food was harder to come by. I

1223
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,159
had been known to rate a midnight fridge or two.

1224
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,199
I had to create a concept for me to be

1225
01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:24,199
comfortable enough to sleep at night. So I made up

1226
01:14:24,199 --> 01:14:29,119
a phrase called creative currency. In my mind, I said,

1227
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:34,159
the richest person in the world, with all the food

1228
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:37,439
in the nicest house in the world, can't buy what

1229
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:41,159
I just did tonight. You could throw all the money

1230
01:14:41,279 --> 01:14:44,840
in the world at it, and it doesn't make it.

1231
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:53,119
So the creative currency that I just deposited, for lack

1232
01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:56,840
of a better term, is more valuable than money. And

1233
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,439
this was kind of a denial almost. It was a

1234
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:04,199
tool that I used to keep me going even though

1235
01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:07,359
I was didn't have a car, I was broke, had

1236
01:15:07,399 --> 01:15:09,359
three T shirts.

1237
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,199
Speaker 1: Well, that's what people who you know, haven't sold their

1238
01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:15,560
souls to rock and roll like we have. That's something

1239
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,680
that they don't understand. They don't understand that creative currency.

1240
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 4: No, they don't a lot of a lot of like

1241
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,840
film producers do, though, like they'll throw money at it

1242
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,560
to make a movie. Just to hang out in the

1243
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,039
dressing room with Johnny Depp and pretend they're an act.

1244
01:15:32,119 --> 01:15:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well yeah, even.

1245
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:38,039
Speaker 3: This podcast that I've been doing for fucking thirteen years.

1246
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,399
I'm not making money on this, right, But the same thing,

1247
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,359
you know, I have to use the International Bank of

1248
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,960
Musicians from time to time. The pawn shot.

1249
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,560
Speaker 1: Well that's funny, is he? Because that's good. When I

1250
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,840
first started a couple decades, you know, fifteen years ago whatever,

1251
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,199
and I haven't done it in a while, but I

1252
01:15:59,279 --> 01:16:01,199
used to do a podcast it's called Front of House

1253
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:06,439
where it was half live performance, half interview, and I

1254
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,479
watched and I mixed the sound and have a really

1255
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,520
good time with these great artists. And I always told

1256
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,279
people the reason why I started this podcast is so

1257
01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:18,000
I could get Shooter Jennings to play in my living room.

1258
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,000
And that was it, and you did no, it didn't happen,

1259
01:16:22,079 --> 01:16:24,319
But I got his I became dear friends with his

1260
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,720
bass player, Ted Russell Camp.

1261
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:30,319
Speaker 4: Another greatness, another brush.

1262
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:35,079
Speaker 1: With who produced the the Smoking Kills record. So it all,

1263
01:16:35,119 --> 01:16:37,479
it all worked out, and maybe, you know, maybe one

1264
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,359
day that door's not closed.

1265
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 4: What record did he produce? The Smoking Steady record?

1266
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 1: That's right, rock Steady Records, not on rock Steady. Well,

1267
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:50,319
it's available.

1268
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 3: This is another reason for us to do another record

1269
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,640
so we can get that rock steady fucking logo on

1270
01:16:58,680 --> 01:16:59,880
our album.

1271
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:03,279
Speaker 1: Well we were I mean not to make it about us,

1272
01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:07,039
but is He introduced I was in Vegas with is He.

1273
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,760
I was doing comedy shows a few weeks ago and

1274
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,079
we went to a place where Eddie Trunk was. There

1275
01:17:13,119 --> 01:17:16,159
was a band playing and it was like it was

1276
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:21,079
it was a Monsters of Rock reunion. And is He

1277
01:17:21,239 --> 01:17:24,840
introduced me to a gentleman and said, this is the

1278
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,800
singer of the band I'm in And the guy looks

1279
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,960
at me and he goes, dude, that is a great record.

1280
01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:38,520
And he worked with Ozzy forty years ago he died

1281
01:17:39,039 --> 01:17:42,039
and what he said, Yeah, no, it started forty years ago,

1282
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:45,720
four forty years and so anyway I was asking him.

1283
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,960
I said, I said, look, I want to get more

1284
01:17:48,039 --> 01:17:50,039
life out of this record. And one thing we were

1285
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:52,520
thinking about doing is let's make a music video for

1286
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:57,520
every song. And what what his advice was, go record

1287
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:02,720
two more songs and re release the album as an

1288
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:03,960
extended version.

1289
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 4: I'm I second that emotion.

1290
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,359
Speaker 1: So there you go. I think I think we'll do that.

1291
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,680
Let's we we can we can. We can put that

1292
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,119
on the back burner. So I got one quick question

1293
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:20,159
for you too, Brent. I want to know when you

1294
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:24,600
got into the fight with the bleach and are you

1295
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,720
okay in a.

1296
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,239
Speaker 4: Fight with the oh my shirt.

1297
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm making a stupid joke, dude.

1298
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 4: No, No, it's a funny one, because this was a

1299
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:37,680
sweatshirt that I used to paint my basement with one

1300
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,680
day and I got all over it and I was

1301
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,680
gonna throw it away. So I went into my laundry

1302
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,800
room where I have a hanging thing, and I draped

1303
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,920
it over it and I looked to my left and

1304
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,000
there was a spray bottle. I looked to my right,

1305
01:18:50,039 --> 01:18:52,520
there was a bottle of bleach, and I went, fuck it,

1306
01:18:53,279 --> 01:18:55,199
and I sprayed it. I go, I'll come back and

1307
01:18:55,239 --> 01:18:57,439
take a look tomorrow. And I looked at it and

1308
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:58,359
I went, I think.

1309
01:18:58,199 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, yeah, dude, Yes.

1310
01:19:01,359 --> 01:19:04,279
Speaker 4: So that's it. And I gotta tell you, it's soft

1311
01:19:04,359 --> 01:19:07,439
and cozy. All these little light areas are a little

1312
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:12,000
extra soft and cozy. And it's winter here in Minnesota.

1313
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 3: It is winter, it is, and it's going to be winter.

1314
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:19,079
On February twenty seventh, when Flip plays the Turf Club.

1315
01:19:19,239 --> 01:19:22,159
It's going to be winter on February twenty second, when

1316
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:27,159
the twenty first, twenty first, twenty Saturday, the twenty first,

1317
01:19:27,399 --> 01:19:29,840
Well whatever, I'm playing at the Red Carpet.

1318
01:19:31,239 --> 01:19:31,560
Speaker 1: There you go.

1319
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,239
Speaker 4: Are you going to be here when we're at the

1320
01:19:37,319 --> 01:19:42,199
turf No, if you can change your flight, you do.

1321
01:19:42,199 --> 01:19:44,520
I want to get up and dose too, freak with us?

1322
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,479
Are you bringing? Are you? Are you bringing you the

1323
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:52,840
fucking coyote? So ka that guitar I make right? Yeah,

1324
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,560
I got the first one ever made. I think they

1325
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,359
only made twenty of them, and I think I've pretty

1326
01:19:59,399 --> 01:20:03,840
much owned it. Everyone at one point or another, is

1327
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,760
he's got one that's got a different branding on it.

1328
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:13,359
Speaker 3: It's uh huh Katana, No.

1329
01:20:13,279 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 4: It says, uh, well, it's the town in Seattle, Word

1330
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:22,840
where Brad Simsel, the best rock singer in the world lives.

1331
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:28,039
Uh why my brain farting on it. They also make

1332
01:20:28,119 --> 01:20:30,720
those things people put on the roofs of their cars

1333
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:36,279
to carry stuff with. Yakama.

1334
01:20:36,359 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, Yeah.

1335
01:20:39,399 --> 01:20:43,520
Speaker 4: But you can't really read it, says Yakama. That's the

1336
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:48,279
best playing that's that is the best coyote. Next to mine.

1337
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:58,560
Oh I had a guy, a great guy's not well

1338
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:00,720
still hear me?

1339
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1340
01:21:02,079 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I am Chicago well and I became acquainted.

1341
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 4: And one day this shows up. Oh you built this

1342
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:19,199
for me. Now I don't do anything with it because

1343
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:21,399
it's unpainted. I'm afraid to hurt it.

1344
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:24,119
Speaker 1: It looks like Kentucky.

1345
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 4: It needs to be painted. Yeah, yeah, when.

1346
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 3: I'm assuming nicer would it's it's.

1347
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,039
Speaker 4: Heavy for me. Mind, so feather light I like to like.

1348
01:21:37,279 --> 01:21:39,159
I think that's what I like about years too. It

1349
01:21:39,239 --> 01:21:42,880
was light. So I'm thinking maybe get a chambered. But

1350
01:21:43,239 --> 01:21:47,039
I'm not good with nice guitars or nice cars. I

1351
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:51,439
don't want to be afraid to scratch them. I want

1352
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,760
to invite the possibility that they could get scratched.

1353
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 1: I agree with that. That's why you're driving truck. Yeah, well,

1354
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:02,800
that's why I'll drive a truck.

1355
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,039
Speaker 4: A nineteen ninety seven Lincoln town Car.

1356
01:22:06,399 --> 01:22:09,119
Speaker 1: Oh beautiful, dude, I got a ninety seven for Runner.

1357
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,279
Speaker 3: When can we expect the new Flip stuff to come out?

1358
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,159
Speaker 4: Well, like I said, it's coming out on a track.

1359
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:25,079
Didn't I tell you that? No? But oh god, I'm sorry.

1360
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,800
The two songs are coming out on an eight track,

1361
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:32,199
but the music isn't really on the eight track. It's

1362
01:22:32,199 --> 01:22:34,960
a download thing. In the artwork on the back, you'll

1363
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:38,159
get a download. But we're going into the studio on

1364
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:42,560
the fifteenth of January, pre production on the fourteenth and thirteenth,

1365
01:22:43,119 --> 01:22:46,880
nice sweet of really don't need so we'll just probably

1366
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,199
drink sodas and those guys will drink beer, will hang

1367
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:53,279
out and run the songs a couple of times and

1368
01:22:53,399 --> 01:22:59,439
have enjoy each other. Yeah, so we're actually hoping, I

1369
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:03,439
mean great, We're going in with John Fields, you know,

1370
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:09,800
multi platinum gazillion album Soul Killer. He also produced our

1371
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:15,560
last album, Too Dumb to Quit. So who knows that

1372
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:18,880
it would be cool if they were done by the

1373
01:23:19,119 --> 01:23:20,039
by the turf gig.

1374
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, in this day and age, it almost

1375
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,439
could be, almost.

1376
01:23:25,239 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 4: Could be the only you know, I just don't want to.

1377
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,479
I wouldn't want to place that pressure on John. No,

1378
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:31,840
I haven't done that.

1379
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1380
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And how much longer do you think you can

1381
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:37,439
do it.

1382
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:39,359
Speaker 4: Music?

1383
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:40,119
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1384
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 4: How much time you got?

1385
01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:42,239
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1386
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,079
Speaker 4: The question is, Brin, if you weren't doing music, how

1387
01:23:47,079 --> 01:23:48,720
long do you think it would take you to put

1388
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:52,439
a gun in your mouth? That's the real question.

1389
01:23:53,119 --> 01:23:57,520
Speaker 1: That's uh, that's certainly a different angle, but yes, that's

1390
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,640
the real question. No, I hear you, dude.

1391
01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 3: I mean, look, if they have to put you out

1392
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,520
on stage in a wheelchair, you're still going to be

1393
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:04,239
out there doing it.

1394
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 4: I can't, of course, answer that with complete accuracy. But

1395
01:24:10,279 --> 01:24:12,640
like I said right at the beginning of this thing,

1396
01:24:13,319 --> 01:24:16,359
the only time I don't have anxiety is when I

1397
01:24:16,399 --> 01:24:19,000
am doing what we are doing now, and that is

1398
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:25,720
talking creative music making and the whole world that surrounds it.

1399
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:31,119
The managers, the other bands, the venues, the guitars, the

1400
01:24:31,279 --> 01:24:33,000
fucking instruments. There's so many.

1401
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: So when you when you first said that earlier, it

1402
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:42,159
brought up something personal to me. I'm I often throw

1403
01:24:42,279 --> 01:24:46,479
up in the alley behind the club before the show. Interesting,

1404
01:24:47,319 --> 01:24:51,079
have you ever? Don't You don't experience that anxiety. You

1405
01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:56,279
don't experience that fear. See, I embrace that fear because

1406
01:24:56,279 --> 01:24:59,720
it makes me feel alive. And it's like, yes, be scared,

1407
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,359
but go up there and fucking do it because you

1408
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:04,880
know it's gonna be fucking great.

1409
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 4: The only gig I was ever scared at, Okay, before

1410
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,840
I literally had the dream where I walked on stage

1411
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:16,199
in my underwear. Okay, the cliche, which I still say

1412
01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:18,720
would make a great music video of nothing, of collection

1413
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:22,520
of bad dreams before you go on stage. Just it's

1414
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:27,520
all that. One thing I'd like to add about this show,

1415
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,720
if you go to my Facebook page, are actually photographs

1416
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,239
of it. And the first Kiss album was the only

1417
01:25:34,279 --> 01:25:37,680
album Kiss album out and I'm wearing Paul Stanley makeup

1418
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:41,239
at that gig. And the only one Wow, Kiss album

1419
01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:43,920
that had come out yet was the very first one.

1420
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:49,119
Now a couple things carry Donbrock actually wrote on the

1421
01:25:49,159 --> 01:25:53,640
back of this. It's pretty faded and pretty impossible to read,

1422
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:58,000
but there's a set list which includes Smoke on the Water,

1423
01:25:58,079 --> 01:26:02,119
which was a brand new song at that time, and

1424
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:07,800
three original songs of mine in the fifth grade Wow.

1425
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,199
And here's here's here's a very flip esque sort of

1426
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:18,159
way of thinking. They gave us from two thirty to

1427
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:20,920
three o'clock to play, and they let the whole school

1428
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,960
come watch us in the gymnasium. They let the whole

1429
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,840
school out to see us. School ends at three o'clock.

1430
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:33,960
That means a bell ring, right, what song do we

1431
01:26:34,039 --> 01:26:38,399
close with? School's out? By Alice Cooper because the actual

1432
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:43,119
bell in the school will ring. Little dude, I'm in

1433
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:46,079
fifth grade, and these are the ideas. This is already

1434
01:26:46,079 --> 01:26:48,800
where I'm what, I'm this kind of crap that's coming

1435
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,920
into my head. The one thing I didn't take into

1436
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,479
consideration was how excited we would be. And we had

1437
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,960
played every song too fast, so we had to vamp

1438
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,000
on the end of schools out for quite a while.

1439
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 3: But that happens. That happens. See, that's where the anxiety is.

1440
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:10,199
That's why you play fast. It's like because you're nervous.

1441
01:27:10,279 --> 01:27:12,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know.

1442
01:27:13,159 --> 01:27:16,119
Speaker 4: I was in the sixth grade. You know the show

1443
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:17,359
was when I was in this Yeah.

1444
01:27:18,039 --> 01:27:19,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1445
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,279
Speaker 4: We also my dad, who worked at three M where

1446
01:27:22,279 --> 01:27:25,880
he invented scratch and sniff, had access to dry ice,

1447
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,399
which was a big deal in nineteen seventy three.

1448
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:29,199
Speaker 1: Oh shit.

1449
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:35,159
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting in my kitchen and my mom had

1450
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:40,079
a humidifier, one of those nineteen seventies fake wood grain humidifiers,

1451
01:27:40,119 --> 01:27:42,880
like a gold almost grill cloth in front of it

1452
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:46,239
with two knobs on the front, one on and off

1453
01:27:46,279 --> 01:27:48,720
and one how hard How fast do you want the

1454
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,479
fan to be going? Right? And I'm like, God, that

1455
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,399
thing looks just like a little amp. Oh my god,

1456
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,479
it's got a white tank in the back. Oh my god,

1457
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:01,720
it's a humidifier. It blows the air out. We're gonna

1458
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,439
have fake amps on stage that look like they start

1459
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:08,399
on fire. We gotta find another humidifier and we're gonna

1460
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:12,680
use those as our dry ice machines. And we're gonna

1461
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:16,720
go back and give fake feedback or whatever, and smoke

1462
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,359
is gonna come out of What the audience are gonna

1463
01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:20,359
think is amps.

1464
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:22,079
Speaker 1: Dude, that's rock and roll.

1465
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:28,359
Speaker 4: I mean it's demented. It's demented. What kind of sixth

1466
01:28:28,399 --> 01:28:31,880
prader has these thoughts. It's not good.

1467
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,119
Speaker 1: It's not bad.

1468
01:28:37,079 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 4: No, I'm clearly very proud of it. But yeah, yeah,

1469
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,479
that we did that. Those there's a photo of that

1470
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,039
on my Facebook too. My mother took a photo when

1471
01:28:48,039 --> 01:28:51,399
the fog machines were going. It's bad. I'm playing a

1472
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:57,159
teasco tulip and I had a cape and I.

1473
01:28:57,119 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 3: Was wearing a cap and Paul Stanley makeup.

1474
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:04,239
Speaker 4: Paul Stanley makeup, and my mom back homed and teased

1475
01:29:04,279 --> 01:29:07,439
my hair for me. And before we went on stage,

1476
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,119
I looked out of the curtains, and my friend Billy

1477
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:12,319
Walters was there and he goes, hey, man, how'd you

1478
01:29:12,359 --> 01:29:14,479
get to your hair to do that? And I told

1479
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,920
him just I said, I washed it and ketch up.

1480
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:21,079
So everybody thought, like at school the next day, like

1481
01:29:21,159 --> 01:29:23,880
did you really wash? Billy Walters said, you washed your

1482
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:24,720
hair and ketchup?

1483
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:25,079
Speaker 1: Did you?

1484
01:29:28,399 --> 01:29:31,199
Speaker 4: My little brother, my little brother, who was like six

1485
01:29:31,279 --> 01:29:34,720
years KI, he's like six years younger than me, says

1486
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:38,319
that a bunch of people were following me home from

1487
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,840
school that day, and I still to this day would

1488
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,199
just say, no, those were just other people walking home

1489
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:48,880
from school. Happened to me. But he saw it like

1490
01:29:50,079 --> 01:29:51,279
you know pied Piper.

1491
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, how much did you rely on Ki? As far

1492
01:29:54,079 --> 01:29:56,279
as the artistic direction.

1493
01:29:57,119 --> 01:30:04,560
Speaker 4: Well, the direction was more, i'll say, a group effort.

1494
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:09,279
There's more concepts ideas that I came up with, not

1495
01:30:09,399 --> 01:30:15,800
unlike humidifier, smoke machine, but in making it happen and

1496
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:24,319
making it colorful and knowing his skill directed my ideas

1497
01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:27,039
in that way. So for instance, you know, we had

1498
01:30:27,119 --> 01:30:31,880
trading cards and the thing was to put flyers up

1499
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,920
everywhere you could put still put flyers up back then,

1500
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,760
and I'm like, what if we did trading cards instead

1501
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,520
and put them on countertops at record stores instead of

1502
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,000
flyers on polls. I tell you what, what if we

1503
01:30:46,119 --> 01:30:49,600
do four individual ones, so they got to collect at four,

1504
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,439
and let's put just Brins in this store, and just

1505
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:55,840
she is in this store, so people got to go

1506
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,640
around and get them. I tell you what, what if

1507
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,000
on the back, after you get all four, you turn

1508
01:31:01,039 --> 01:31:02,920
it over and it's one big picture.

1509
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 1: Brilliant dude. It really sounds to me like you're banging

1510
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:19,880
on that scratching sniff raspberry's door. You know what I mean, Mom,

1511
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:20,479
I don't.

1512
01:31:20,319 --> 01:31:25,239
Speaker 4: Have anything to do. Go look at the fucking painting books, right, Hey,

1513
01:31:25,319 --> 01:31:30,760
eat this stuff. I got an idea. You know my dad, uh,

1514
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,000
he's he's still that way. He's got an illegal water

1515
01:31:34,079 --> 01:31:36,800
well in his basement that he uses to fucking heat

1516
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:38,840
all his floors and shit, he lives by a lake,

1517
01:31:39,159 --> 01:31:42,119
so he's like, I don't have to digberry far. He

1518
01:31:42,119 --> 01:31:45,199
builds illegal well in his basement. I'm probably gonna get

1519
01:31:45,239 --> 01:31:48,439
him arrested now. And it's fucking running all his water

1520
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:52,439
ship in his house. Good for free? Good?

1521
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:59,239
Speaker 1: I know good? I mean crystal geyser fucking bought a

1522
01:31:59,239 --> 01:32:02,159
piece of land at the bottom of a fucking spring

1523
01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:05,479
in California. Why do they get the fucking water? Fuck you?

1524
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1525
01:32:08,319 --> 01:32:10,239
Speaker 1: So good, good, good on your dad.

1526
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 3: Well you guys, I mean, if you're in Minneapolis St. Paul,

1527
01:32:14,199 --> 01:32:18,279
in Minnesota, in the in the in the upper Midwestern area,

1528
01:32:18,359 --> 01:32:22,359
get out to see Flip on the twenty seventh of February.

1529
01:32:23,359 --> 01:32:25,359
Such great fucking stories and get a lot of those.

1530
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:27,840
I'm sure there's some of those stories in this book.

1531
01:32:28,079 --> 01:32:32,119
Speaker 4: Oh, I got a fun story for you. First of all,

1532
01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:34,640
I'm really sorry that I just seen. We've been on

1533
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,000
here for an hour thirty minutes and I've been talking

1534
01:32:37,079 --> 01:32:40,479
really a lot, so that's awesome. I apologize for how

1535
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,960
long and boring this is. I recently got it.

1536
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:46,520
Speaker 1: Wait, wait a second, brit The other end of that

1537
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:50,439
coin is you could be saying nothing. Believe me, as

1538
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,439
a thirty year radio vet, both me and Izzy will

1539
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:59,600
tell you more is better. You talking is great, So

1540
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:00,960
won't apologize.

1541
01:33:01,119 --> 01:33:05,119
Speaker 4: Oh, I appreciate that greatly. I very recently got a

1542
01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:07,520
call to ask if I was available to tour with

1543
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:15,239
a band called Motley Crewe by Big Machine Records, who

1544
01:33:15,319 --> 01:33:20,840
they've recently signed with and uh. One of the gentleman

1545
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:25,000
from Big Machine Records is quoted on the back of

1546
01:33:25,039 --> 01:33:29,279
that book, guy named Julian Raymond. He's the one who

1547
01:33:29,319 --> 01:33:32,279
called me about it. On the back of the book.

1548
01:33:32,319 --> 01:33:36,039
You know how big time people put little blurbs down

1549
01:33:36,039 --> 01:33:39,159
there as good. It's like something like britn is so

1550
01:33:39,279 --> 01:33:45,600
good his career will last him a lunchtime, some like that. Brilliant.

1551
01:33:46,199 --> 01:33:50,239
Well I had to do, you know clearly when that

1552
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,479
When John, who have become friends with, called me to

1553
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:55,880
do the book, of course, my response was, you clearly

1554
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,359
have the wrong number, or you need to get your

1555
01:33:58,399 --> 01:34:02,640
hearing checked or ball anyway, So I did about two

1556
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,319
I just I want to say two hundred and fifty

1557
01:34:05,359 --> 01:34:09,000
hours of zoom interviews, I don't know. And the very

1558
01:34:09,079 --> 01:34:11,319
first one when we met, I said to him, I said,

1559
01:34:11,359 --> 01:34:14,039
I'm not the worst singer in the world, but one

1560
01:34:14,119 --> 01:34:17,760
of these days Vince Neil and Brett Michaels are going

1561
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,520
to die, then I'll be the worst singer.

1562
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1563
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 4: Well that well, if you open the book, So put

1564
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:31,159
this puzzle together. If you open the book, that's the

1565
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:34,199
first line in the book, is that first quote. First

1566
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:38,079
thing I ever said to him. Julian Raymond, who's quoted

1567
01:34:38,159 --> 01:34:42,199
on the book, has the book in his office. Motley

1568
01:34:42,279 --> 01:34:48,199
Crue is considering a new guitar player. Julian calls me,

1569
01:34:49,279 --> 01:34:52,760
and I could see him. You know, he's not even

1570
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:56,239
like even reading or even looking at the book, but

1571
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,960
I know it's in his office. I could see him.

1572
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,720
I'm going, I got the guy for you. Man. As

1573
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:04,600
matter of fact, they wrote a book about him. It's

1574
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,279
right up there, grabbing it and them opening it and

1575
01:35:07,319 --> 01:35:10,039
seeing I'm not the worst singer in the world. Well,

1576
01:35:10,079 --> 01:35:13,399
what these dates didn't steal? And Brett Michaels are gonna die?

1577
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,680
I think that was the end of that. Another brush

1578
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:17,479
with greatness.

1579
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:22,039
Speaker 3: Oh dude, that's fucking great, Bran. They want to find you.

1580
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:25,760
They want to find the rock Steady website, your music

1581
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:27,279
mentoring website. Where can they go?

1582
01:35:28,319 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 4: My Facebook? It's simple, right, just google me. It's everywhere.

1583
01:35:32,039 --> 01:35:34,800
And the rock Steady stuff is on the band camp,

1584
01:35:35,159 --> 01:35:38,239
which you know, it's not a great name for a

1585
01:35:38,279 --> 01:35:41,000
thing like band camp. But the really truth is is

1586
01:35:41,399 --> 01:35:43,840
out of all of them, there by far the best.

1587
01:35:45,119 --> 01:35:49,199
But I wish they were called something cooler. And let's

1588
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:50,479
go to band camp.

1589
01:35:51,279 --> 01:35:53,159
Speaker 3: Let's go to band camp and I got it my

1590
01:35:53,279 --> 01:35:59,279
fucking outro music gear, Brent Arn's whip, fucking odd Fathers,

1591
01:35:59,279 --> 01:36:03,560
my goshz Presley, every time you're on, we just scratched.

1592
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,479
The surface is just more and more and more, and

1593
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,000
I love it and I love it. I love it.

1594
01:36:08,079 --> 01:36:09,239
I can't wait to have you back.

1595
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:10,640
Speaker 1: And we could go forever.

1596
01:36:11,159 --> 01:36:13,359
Speaker 3: We could go forever. Dawson, what are you got coming

1597
01:36:13,399 --> 01:36:14,199
up in Dawson World?

1598
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in San Diego doing a comedy show

1599
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:21,760
on I believe it's January seventeenth at National Lampoon's Yellow Door.

1600
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,000
And until then you can hear me weekday afternoons from

1601
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,000
three to seven on ninety five point seven FM The

1602
01:36:28,079 --> 01:36:30,199
Ride in Charlotte, North Carolina.

1603
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 3: And on the Adam Corolla Show.

1604
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: Every Troup and on the water cool.

1605
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,520
Speaker 3: And The water Cooler. Thanks for the shout outs, by

1606
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,159
the way, I love it, and of course you can

1607
01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:41,560
find me. Really is a president Twist, Twitter, instacrat, Facebook

1608
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,520
show page, abut from podcast and Izzypresley dot com for

1609
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,680
all the links, including cameo and the Patreon which is

1610
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:49,640
only five dollars a month. And you get this show

1611
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:55,439
at free before everybody else. That's it, man, we'll.

1612
01:36:55,239 --> 01:36:59,239
Speaker 4: See you're playing in the Sant Cloud. I'm playing in St.

1613
01:36:59,239 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 3: Cloud. First show and uh a big kiss jam at

1614
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:07,880
the end. Press the Press Bar Reunited, Brent Orange, Mike Dawson,

1615
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:09,800
I'm busy, President. Don't forget what I lack in talent

1616
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:10,960
to make up for the talk.

1617
01:37:14,359 --> 01:37:14,600
Speaker 2: Cock.

1618
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:27,239
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you very much.

1619
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:28,199
Speaker 1: We're a little late.

1620
01:37:28,399 --> 01:37:30,319
Speaker 4: Say good night, Christie, good night, good night.