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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellowsiko's I am Dan Valley coming at

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you with lengthy intro before a podcast that I did

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with Mort Jensen of the NBA Podcasts. We talked a

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lot about Kevin Durant, which was kind of the springboard

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to talk about the entire league when you get into

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potential trade destinations, and then we go into some Lukadancic talk.

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He wanted to talk about, not necessarily the MAVs versus

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Lakers game that we saw in the previous week, but

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just sort of the continued spin coming out of Dallas

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or the pieces being written about it, and so we

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get into that a little bit. One of the nuggets

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that isn't part of the Lugadantic discussion, and then it

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ties into the Kevin Durant discussion a little bit is

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we didn't talk about the or at least at length

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about the AMIC report of the Timberwolves being approached by

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the Mavericks about a lukadanticch for Edwards framework swap. Mort

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and I had talked about this off air. The wording

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on that report was weird because at the time it

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wasn't clear whether the Timberwolves knew that Lukadancic was the

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one they would be getting in any anti Edwards trade.

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It was just kind of written. It left it open

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for interpretation. Were just kind of written. As the Dallas

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Mavericks approached them and asked if Anthiy Edwards was available,

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and they said no. I don't know if Luca being

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on the table would have changed their thought process there

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at all. I don't think it would have to be clear.

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Although Stein reported that they didn't necessarily know that Lukadancic

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was being offered. Mark Stein reported they didn't know Lukadanci

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was being offered in that exchange. I think just Anthiy

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Edwards being younger and on his first MAX relative to

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that the Tymberwolves still probably would have passed. I just

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think if you knew that it was Luca on the table,

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it probably warranted more of a discussion. That's something to

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keep in mind. I guess specifically with regard to our

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Mavericks talks, though, because part of the criticism with them

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was that if they were going to get rid of Luca,

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it didn't feel like they adequately canvassed the league and

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being linked to young honest and now Anthony Edwards, I

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don't know if that counts, and there's probably more of

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a The really harsh critique is about the direction they

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chose in lieu of like they decided to prioritize now still,

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even though they said it was about the long term

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rather than getting back a package that set them up

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better for a future without Luca. Still, that's something to

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keep in mind since it came out. Since we did

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record this, we also did get into the some Victor

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Woman Yama stuff. We did basically a deep dive into

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his sophomore season pre injury. Of course, I did leave

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that part out so that you can go check out

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the full episode since that was a crossover for the

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NBA pod specifically not this one, and you can hear

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my my nasally tones over there quite frequently. At this point,

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I think at leads relative to the number of episodes

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he puts out each month. Grant and I already did

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sophomore stock reports. I didn't want to get too redundant there,

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so chick at that episode more does great work over there.

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I did want to cover some news though, before we

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actually dug into what I'm going to talk about with

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more I love doing just sort of like to keep

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myself up to date and do these news react actions.

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They just take a while to put together or go through.

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And as Grant and I we'll talk about we talk

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about the discord. Go join it link of the podcast

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and youtubscription if you're not in there already. Time is

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just of the essence right now. And when we're trying

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to do what all these ideas that we kind of

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have floating around in concepts we want, concepts we want

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to execute, the news updates kind of fall by the wayside.

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But let's go through some here, at least the most

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recent stuff. The Knicks agreed to a two way deal

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with Marjohon Bochamp, who was traded from the Bucks and

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then was on the I think the Clippers for a

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hot minute, but yet now he's going to be on

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the Knicks on a two way deal. That's like semi interesting.

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The Nicks are alway kind of taking these flyers on,

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like they have Chumolkk and their system as well, and

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even TJ. Warren, So that might be something to keep

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an eye on as they've look to eventually give out

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their final contracts of the season. This one's certainly more noteworthy.

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Adding just to the the misery that is being a

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Dallas Mavericks fan right now, kyri Ving left Monday's game

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with a left knees brain. We'll probably find out more,

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but he fell awkwardly after being fouled in the first quarter.

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on the court for quite a while after that. He

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ended up hitting the two free throws though, like he

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went to the locker room, came back and hit the

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two free throw. So hopefully he ends up being fine.

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I'm sure we'll see more information on that. He's borderline.

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one of the bright spots that I guess Dallas on

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the Rostrucks. He's a handful of bright spots, but the

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direction is just so underwhelming. And to add to this,

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the Mavericks are raising their season ticket prices by eighteen percent.

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That's I would say, that's gutsy. Just after you trade

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Luca and then you're gonna raise your season ticket prices.

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I don't when the fan base is this mad, And

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by the way, I think they have every right to

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kind of be this mad. It's just it was such

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a bizarre trade and it came without warning, and that

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I don't know that there's ever gonna be adequately mourning

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this because there a period will pass, or maybe they're

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a little bit numb to it, but when the vision

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at the like on the other side of the Luca trade,

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unless that hits and they become a title contender by

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next season and hopefully win a chance, like they could

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be a title contender and just still lose that trade

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because of who Luca, what Luca does with the Lakers,

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I think it's always going to sting, and so I

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just I understand like anyone who's expecting Mavericks fans to

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just get over it already. What is super bold but

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also cringey about this is that there's the way they

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justified it in a statement. This is per the athletics

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Christian Clark, it was to better reflect seat value, especially

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in a demand areas closest to the court. I kind

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of find that funny. They said these adjustments were made

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after months of evaluating ticket prices on the secondary market.

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They also pointed out that before this season, they shifted

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their local television model by parting ways with Valley Sports

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and making all their non national TV exclusives free on

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over the AIRTV. That decision cost the Mavericks more than

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fifty million dollars in revenue. Here's my thing with that

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is this is sort of cool. And to close that out,

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by the way, the MAVs projected that even with the

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rate hikes, season ticket holders will say fifteen to twenty

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three percent comparative prices on the secondary market, which is

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just that's the lame way to frame it. But my

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whole thing, let's look at the you know, the shift

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in their TV model. They didn't do that out of

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the graces of their heart. Like they're kind of in

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a no win to not no win, but they're not

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in a position to be like, yeah, we're gonna leverage

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these massive TV deals. But let's say that they can.

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You don't get to justify it by we made it

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free but then figured out another way to pass on

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the expenses to the consumer. I just hate when companies

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justify shit like that. So bold choice by the Mavericks.

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but when you just traded one of the best franchise

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players in NBA history, and I'll be kind here charitable

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and say, potentially blew up your future. It's certainly a

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choice and maybe lends created to the fact that nobody

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like that. They're wondering if the Dumonts are really just

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trying to nuke the value of the MAVs as a

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threat to the state of Texas in hopes that it

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would maybe prompt them to more seriously consider commercial casino legalization. There,

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that's just I again, I feel for you mass fans.

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That's all I got there. The Wizards, they claim JT.

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Thor off waivers. I'm saying this because everyone knows that JD.

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Thor is kind of like a siren song around this podcast.

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That man is like a That dude is just like

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he's got spring loaded knees and if he could ever

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put together like any sort of feel or skill like

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I really do. I still believe he's not as good

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as like Frankie Loquina, but I believe he could get there.

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a standard NBA deal that I'm not sure that I

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saw coming, but it does make sense just given the

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state of their roster. Kevin rant said, by the way,

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as on most recent Suns loss, that they embarrassed themselves

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against the Minnesota Timberwolves on Sunday. We didn't play up

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to our standards at all. We embarrassed the fans and

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we embarrass ourselves the way we played. I want us

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to be better when adversity hits, we start floating a

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little as a team. That's tough to deal with. Yeah,

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there is also Grant and I. We spoke about it

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off air and maybe touched upon it tangentially when we

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were doing that. Which NBA players are more important to

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their team's future. Go check out that podcast. I had

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a lot of fun doing it and we went through

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every team, so we haven't listened to it already, watched

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it on YouTube. Just go fucking do it. But in

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the lead up to that, there was the report from

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Chris Haynes that Mike Budenholzer asked Devin Booker to be

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He said that he likes Devin Booker speaking that and

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him and Devin Booker have tough conversations. They don't always

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agree with anything, so that's a good thing if the report

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was accurate, though it would be wild when I mean

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had talked about how no one on this team is

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talking enough. Just a really weird dynamic there. And Mike

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Bunholsler has not done a fantastic job in Phoenix. But

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this is just like sort of one of many problems.

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And I'm not saying you need to concede everything to

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the Star, but if you think he's talking too much

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on the court, he is the only player that can

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salvage your future at this point. Whether it's a maybe,

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is more so as a trade asset than someone who's there.

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But the reporting is of right now, per Gerald Borget

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of phn X Sports, is that they're not going to

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trade Devin Booker unless he asked for it. If you

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want Devin Booker to stay, I don't You don't need

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to coddle him, but maybe empower him. I don't even

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say doesn't need to be empower him to say whatever

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he wants if he's talking over buttonholes or in huddles

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or something I don't. We never got that vibe so

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much from the reporting, but like tread carefully and this

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just sort of feels a little not even reckless, more

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so effeckless and aimless. It's okay, well, what is this

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going to do? And especially when Kevin Durantz now coming

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out and saying we just sort of float around out

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there when we hit adversity as a team and maybe

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someone talking could absolutely help that. But yeah, the Suns

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are just they're an absolute mess. Domas a Bonus was

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just injured. I think he was diagnosed, excuse me, with

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a grade sprain. Is going to be out indefinitely. That's

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hamstring strain. Excuse me, He's gonna be out and definitely.

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the potentiality of zach Lavine and DeMar Derozen's collective playin

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streak coming to an end, since the Kings are kind

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of on the fringes of that discussion right now.

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Speaker 2: But that's a.

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Speaker 1: Huge blow to the Kings. I think that we've seen

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more so from them that this direction they are traveling

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is incredibly confusing, I guess, to say the least, and

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without Sabonis there, who's like kind of ironman, so wouldn't

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shock me if he ends up trying to play through

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this at some point, and they do since the trade deadline,

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have the eighth best offense in terms of points scored

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per possession and they're six and two I think since

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the trade deadline. As I record this in their twelfth

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in defense, you just you watch them and you don't

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really feel it. It feels like they need a point guard.

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to watch over the offseason. Maybe morbidly so, but that's

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huge blow when you're looking at you know, as we're

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leading into Tuesday, they're fighting for their playing lives. They

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are eighth right now and with twenty eight losses there,

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of the plane because the Suns are five, they're and

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eleven and they're five losses off. Who finishes let me

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finishes with more wins this season? The Sons are the

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that apparently needs.

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Speaker 2: To be had.

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Speaker 1: Sacramento might be safe just because of what the Mas

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all the injuries on their front line now with Kyrie,

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their margin ever air still is not that big. And

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if again, so Bonus is kind of an iron man,

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it wouldn't shock me if he winds up being out

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for like a lot, like it definitely implies weeks, wouldn't

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shock me. Was just less than that because he just

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plays through everything. Still, that's like, that's huge for that team,

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like he's been their best player this season. Meyers Leonard

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announced his retirement while releasing a country music song, and

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that is all I have to say about that. I mean,

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look good for him, whatever he wants to pursue. I

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will say I listened to five second of it and

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it kind of sound like he asked chat Gpt what

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a country singer shoots sound like and then recorded a

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song off that. But to each thene with their interests,

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I wish, look, I wish I could retire from the

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podcasting game and start a boy band circa nineteen ninety

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nine or something which I had the voice, the resources,

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the friends that wanted to be a part of said

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boy band. The Nets will not be signing Killian Hayes

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to a second ten day contract, forer. Brian Lewis of

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The New York Post a little bit. I was a

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little bit surprised by that. They kind of seem to

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have like a mini obsession with with uh Killian Hayes.

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day contract. There's not a name that we've heard in

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quite some time, but it's fun to say. And they

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could potentially use some big man death at this point

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visa VI the Nets. By the way, I guess that

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they're assuming. So I was kind of thinking, like, this

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is probably a good harbinger for Oh, we think that

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Cam Thomas, now that he's back, he's going to continue

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to play, And I guess this would assume that D'Angelo

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Russell will be back soon. So they viewed Hayes as

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more of a stopgap. But Hayes actually hit like three

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pointers well this stint in Brooklyn. So I didn't mean

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to jump to to the scal news, but hey, he's

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on a ten day contract for the Kings. Let's see

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if he gets any run there as they're dealing with

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some injuries of their own. The MAVs are also considering

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converting Kessler Edwards to a standard NBA contract, I think,

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just per what their luxury tax situation is, they have

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to wait until like I think that'll have to be April.

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to another no. This was that was Moses Brown. They

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part of ways with him. They can't sign him to

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another ten day contract due to being hard kept at

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the first apron and he can't be signed to a

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two way contract because it was NBA service time. He's

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probably been linked to the Knicks per March done. I'm

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actually just reading through that right now. I'll be interesting

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what they the MAVs do with Kessler Edwards, like in

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light of their injuries. We've seen him play like a

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lot of we've seen him a lot. We haven't seen

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him play the most minutes of anyone, but like that's

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kind of some more emergency front court service. The Wizards.

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This is another report on the Sun. They just keep

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trickling out. They gave real consideration to trading for Bradley

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Beal at the deadline. I saw some people trolling that

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if you were gonna get stuff for him on his

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way out and on his way back in. Yeah, you're

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at a point where you should absolutely consider doing that.

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I don't like from Bradley Beal's perspective, if he was

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gonna go to a bad team, would he have been

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more likely to go back to Washington because it's a

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familiar territory. I don't really know how he would have

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felt about this, but like, I guess that's semi interesting.

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I was surprised on people were kind of trolling the Wizards.

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This is their return for him was less than modest.

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Like the front the front office inherited that no trade clause.

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It wasn't them actively deciding to take a bad offer.

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So if you could have gotten arguably more like an

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actual first round pick as part of taking Bradley Beal back,

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get assets for him on his way out and then

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on his way coming back in, and then the contract

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short lived enough to where maybe, excuse me, maybe you

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could see them just like riding it out until they're

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ready to be good. Or is he more likely to

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be less particular with waiving his no trade clause when

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he's on a bad Wizards team. I honestly really do

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not know. H Also, the another thing here in terms

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of contract stuff, the Rockets converted Nate Williams to a

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four year eight point two million dollar standard NBA deal.

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The final three years are non guaranteed. They ended up

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waving Cody Zeller as a result, and there was way

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too much social media reaction about why would you do

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that to Cody Zeller or the number of teams that

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should be picked up. Shout out to the Atlanta Hawks,

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by the way, they converted Dominic Barlow, a low key

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favorite around these parts, to a two year standard NBA contract.

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Julius Randall returned to the lineup for the Timberwolves on Sunday.

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This is gonna be fascinating because, like the Wolves is

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because of injuries. Now Dante Divincenzo's back, there's gonna call

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a point where it's right, it's Chris Fin's gonna shorten

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the rotation because they've seen some things the Terrence Shannon

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rim pressure, like Rob Dillingham just having a bunch of

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wiggle Excuse me, I'm gonna be curious, and the way

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with Mike Kamias struggled than some of the Julius Randall

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lineups have struggled. He's gonna have to shrink his rotation

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at some point or is he just gonna run super deep.

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I'm very curious to see when they're finally at full strength.

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Not you know, not anymore. Anthony Edwards suspension is notwithstanding

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since for every two Technicals now he will miss a game,

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They're gonna have some fascinating choices on their hands, I

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think when it comes to deciding between like, do we

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give these vets run, do we prioritize kind of floor

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spacing or connectivity or even defense at certain points versus

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how much are you married to the veterans specifically Julius Random,

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Mike Conley or the names that I'm kind of looking at.

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Not even Ceenzo looks pretty good from what little I've

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seen of him since his return. The Washington Wizards and

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Justin Champennie are finalizing a four year, ten million dollar contract.

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Per Sean Sharani of ESPN, that's a good like he

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has stood out for them, and he's handled some like

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truly tough defensive assignments and looks like looks the part

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of a three and D wing and he's only twenty

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three years old. And then kind of upping the He's

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gonna make I think one point eight million for the

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final six weeks since Washington has that wiggle room. This

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is like kind of sets them up to Okay, could

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he have maybe held out and tried to look to

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get more in the open market this summer, but now

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you get these types of terms. So he gets that

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mini win fall for the fine six weeks of this season,

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gonna be ultra not just team friendly, but under team control.

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Jaeen Suggs, this is a bummer. I mean, we got

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two bummers coming up here. He is gonna undergo Arthur

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Spis arthur'scopic surgery to remove fragments in his left knee.

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He's out indefinitely. It's weird that we got here like

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he was. He's expecting to make a full recovery. But

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he has missed a ton of time. And now Palo Bank,

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Carrol friends Vagner, we know they've missed a ton of time.

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They haven't even played one hundred minutes together on the season. Suggs.

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They can probably figure out a way to survive defensively

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without him. But he's kind of in like conceptually and

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in practice for a lot of time, one of their

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more important shooters and one of their more important pace drivers.

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So like, if you want to get into your offense,

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not even necessarily in the half court quicker, but after

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you grab a live rebound, he's sometimes the better option

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than a Pala Bank Carol or Franz Wagner to do that.

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So that's a really big loss for them. And this

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Magic season started out so promising, even amid the Palo

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Bank Carrol injuries, just sort of run off the rails

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and they're really gonna need to address some offensive stuff

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this offseason. They're going to be a certainly a team

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to watch for me there if we had to rank

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them all these teams. I say this, I throw around

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the word like fascinating or intriguing a lot. Everyone who

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listens to this podcast knows that probably hates it. I

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make no apologies. I say a lot of words. There's

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gonna be repetition. But the Magic are just sort of

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I guess they haven't financially reached a pivot point just yet,

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but functionally it feels like they've reached the pivot point

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a while ago and kind of ignored it. I would

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assume move he's gonna undergo surgery Ona's left shoulder due

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to instability. The Bulls announced this he's gonna miss the

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rest of the season. That kind of sucks because the

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Bulls are gonna like stumble ass backwards into it, like

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they have not been good since the trade deadline, but

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the East is the East is the East, and so

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going two and seven since the trade deadline and just

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being relatively bad and in general over this like recent

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longer stretch bottom ten in both offensive defense, you're still

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just kind of you're firmly in the running for that

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ten spot because look at everyone who's below them. They

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have thirty seven losses in front of the Nets and

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the Sixers who have just they've shut the door on

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this season. Maybe they didn't tell Paul George because he's

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gonna take a hiatus or not invest as much time

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in his podcast. But the Nets, the Sixers, the Raptors,

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the Hornets, the Wizard Like the Wizards and the Hornets

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have not been looking to win for quite some time. Uh.

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The Raptors like they're kind of in stealth tank mode,

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Like it's not it's not really stealth tanked. It was injuries,

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we're kind of fueling it, but now we're gonna see

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it get just a little bit more protective of their spot.

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And you can kind of even sense that, like around

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the trade deadline, we knew that this is where it

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was headed. But my point being, none of the teams

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behind the bulls are gonna actively be chasing wins at

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this point, so they're gonna stumble into the plane and

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I guess they'll look to do something like I would

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assume in theory would be a pretty big part of that.

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But now he's out, that's a real bummer. Anything else

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here that we should cover, uh Ali, did I hit

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the Yeah, I hit the Domasa bonis things. That's really

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about it. I think of like all the latest stuff.

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Hopefully there are no injuries in some recording this like

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before all the games end on Monday night, that we

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don't miss anything there. I hope you enjoy this discussion

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with more if you want, you know, to throw this

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out here since we even don't on If you want

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more news like these updates to us, go to go

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through them once a week, whether it's at the end

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of the beginning of a podcast. Just let me know

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in our discord link to the podcast and YouTube description.

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But let's get to lots and lots of Kevin Durant

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and Luka Dancic talk with the one the only, mister

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mort Jensen of the NBA podcast.

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Speaker 3: What I want to dig into, more so than just

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like the revenge factor of it all, is there's this

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thing where everyone is on team Luca regarding these even

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Dallas fans, and I kind of want to get into

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why because it's not normal behavior for fans or for

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analysts to like be on the side of something. Well

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for fans, but maybe not like home fans, like Dallas

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Mavericks fans would like normally be on you know, their side,

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like the Dallas Mavericks side.

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Speaker 1: Suppose the root for the jersey, not the player in

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the jersey exactly.

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Speaker 3: You're to, yeah, but everything is turned round, And I

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kind of want to get into why because this was

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just not a traditional trade. And when I say that,

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I don't just mean, you know, the decision to trade

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him or the weird return. You and I have talked

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about this before we started recording. It's the fact that

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the MAVs post trade have just kept throwing this dude

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under the buzz in a way to justify their decision,

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like it's it's become this thing where it's like, I'm

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not even gonna say it's bordering on pathetic, it's full

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blown pathetic at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just if you really believe in this, and

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I understand it's topical. They just played one another. This

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is one of the most shocking trades ever. But we've

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now had how many weeks and Luca has yet to

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a even a not like, even through his people, has

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yet to necessarily throw the Mavericks under the bus, at

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least in this way, at this scale, And to just

475
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,640
continuously see them say things or let things out about

476
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,960
someone who is he makes a lot of money. He

477
00:21:58,079 --> 00:21:59,680
was the face of the franchise. We all know he

478
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,559
wasn't perfect. We all know about the issues, but you

479
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,680
mentioned they keep throwing him under the bus, and it's like,

480
00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:07,519
put your name to this stuff, other than you know,

481
00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,480
Patrick Dumont basically saying that he was that Luca was

482
00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:12,680
using this as a vacation. I guess at least Patrick

483
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,079
Dumont put his name on that, even though he cited

484
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,720
Shaq is sort of the you know, quintessential hard work

485
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,720
ethic guy during his career. I don't. I just the

486
00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:26,599
quote from the Athletic too, where they concerned about his

487
00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:29,240
drinking and his hookah use and him being in shape.

488
00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:33,079
This feels like normal twenty five year old athlete shit

489
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:33,640
to me.

490
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 2: Yes, it just seems like they don't know he was

491
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,000
He's European.

492
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 1: Right, and it's it's a big deal because they were

493
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,960
concerned about it while he was at Real Madrid, Like,

494
00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:45,599
oh no, my whole thing is this is the thing

495
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,599
that got me. They're predicting his basketball demise within the

496
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,039
next five years, saying that out loud, like allowing you

497
00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:54,599
not to be put It's just, don't you feel like

498
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,039
a shitty person, like you have to feel like some

499
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,200
semblance of grimy after saying that my whole thing is

500
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,359
he Let's say he's out of the league in five years, right,

501
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,240
there's still scenario on which they lose this trade because

502
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,680
he's so good over the next two three years that

503
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,359
it doesn't fucking matter. And even if this is this

504
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,799
is the this is what just really fucks with my head.

505
00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:20,279
Even if this is how you felt, it doesn't justify

506
00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:22,839
the way you went about the trade. Because you decided

507
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,480
that you still needed to quote unquote win now and later,

508
00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:28,920
which is really the next two to three years according

509
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,720
to Nico Harrison, in which case, who cares if Lucas

510
00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:33,599
gonna be out a league in five years? You're only

511
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,079
operating on this two to three year timeline anyway. Yeah,

512
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,960
I want to be clear, I'm not lending credence to

513
00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:42,200
his basketball demise in five years. Come the fuck on,

514
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,759
unless we find out that he's like a human trafficker

515
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,400
or something like what is so bad about what we've

516
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,079
heard about Luca as a human being, even the people

517
00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,359
that have kind of supported this, and you know, like

518
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,039
among fans or media members where it's just like, oh,

519
00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,400
like he's out of shape or he complains it's like, yeah,

520
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,279
he's definitely the first star in the NBA to have

521
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,559
those issues. A lot of pretzel twisting. But I think

522
00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:08,960
what's just most alarming here is it's so ineffective. You

523
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,039
said it at the top, like who is on Team

524
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,599
Dallas right now?

525
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:14,319
Speaker 2: Uh?

526
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:17,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I can mention anyone, like not

527
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:20,640
really like there's there's gonna be some contrarians just for

528
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,000
the hell of it, because hey, engagement, right, But that's

529
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:25,799
that's sort of it. I mean everyone is understanding of

530
00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:28,799
the situation from from Lucas perspective, and not so much

531
00:24:28,839 --> 00:24:32,359
for Dallas. By the way, Like if we're looking at

532
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,759
the whole, little choppy, not the best like physical work ethic.

533
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,279
Speaker 2: Why are we talking about Jokic? Should jok trade candidate

534
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,119
all of a sudden, Like why is what's the difference there?

535
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: Well, he's I guess because Luca is considered less durable,

536
00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:49,680
which is when you look at the games played, I

537
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,319
suppose it's fair. But Luca just dragged you. I won't

538
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,640
say dragged because the trade deadline had helped them. Their

539
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,640
defense was great, which kind of underminds the point that

540
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,960
you can't build a defense around Luca. But that's neither

541
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,240
here nor there. He just took you to the finals.

542
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,079
He just you just beat what is now the favorite

543
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,839
to come out of the West, with Luka Nacic not

544
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,720
playing at his best version? Ever, Like what is? You

545
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:17,720
gotta make it make sense for me? And if it's

546
00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:20,880
really an issue of we couldn't get through to him,

547
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,880
that probably says something more about your organization than it

548
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,279
does the twenty five year old kid. I'm not trying

549
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,559
to absolve Luca yeah, I get annoyed by his complaining

550
00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:31,319
to the refs. If I was making all that money

551
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,519
and I was nineteen years old, I'll tell y'all be

552
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:35,920
in the best damn shape of my life. Like I

553
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,359
could guarantee that. But like, this is nothing that we

554
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,759
have read so far or heard off the record. I've

555
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,039
yet to hear read whatever anything that is just completely

556
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:51,000
unforgivable or aids whatever logic the Dallas Mavericks were using here,

557
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,480
and it's we're at the point now where I'm no,

558
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:55,880
I might be squeaking, but like this isn't me a

559
00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:58,680
thinking in the moment emotionally, Like we've now had time

560
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,119
to sit on this, and there's no support of concept

561
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,680
here to me, there's none, zero.

562
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 3: And it's also the fact that this keeps coming up.

563
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:10,799
It's been like what four weeks now, like it's every

564
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:11,359
single week.

565
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: It's a month, and it's a month past the trade

566
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,279
deadline almost. And you said it at the top of this,

567
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,759
or maybe it was before we even started. Like let's

568
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:24,759
kind of forget everything that you still didn't If this

569
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,640
is how you felt now that go ahead and justify

570
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,319
what you just did, which is give him to the

571
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,519
Lakers for a turn that could have been beaten in

572
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:35,519
a vacuum because you decided Anthony Davis was the best

573
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:38,480
player right now that you can get for Luka Dncic.

574
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,200
And that's like you yet to even justify that effected, Like,

575
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,559
what is all this bad? Let's say you buy into

576
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,680
the Luca He's not gonna look right in the next

577
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,720
five years or whatever. Can you defend to me what

578
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:52,920
the Mavericks then did by trading him at the cur

579
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,160
If anything, we're reading now about how they helped submarine

580
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,119
his value because Nico Harrison's too honest, is I guess

581
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,160
to spin they're going with, He's he's too much of

582
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,880
a people pleaser. He wanted to give the Lakers the

583
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,559
full story, so they were able to get him for

584
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,559
a little bit less, like come on.

585
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I usually love a lot of the writers

586
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,519
or the Athletic. I still do, but there was that

587
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:20,680
fluff piece that was just oh boy, that was that

588
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:24,240
a week ago, week and a half ago where that

589
00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:27,799
was yeah, like that was one of the most greacious

590
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:29,079
things I've ever it was.

591
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,559
Speaker 1: Do you remember the piece. I'm not sure if it

592
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:32,839
was the Athletic, but it was. It was comparable, not

593
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,720
identical to when Neil O'Shea was clearly trying to save

594
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:39,480
his job and there was that said, all this charity

595
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,519
work he does that he doesn't want anybody to know about.

596
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,599
It's like the best way to keep it a secret

597
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,799
is to the athletic.

598
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,799
Speaker 3: Come on, there are a lot, a lot of carrying of

599
00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:53,920
water over the past few weeks, and it's I wonder

600
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,599
if this is just just one of those situations where

601
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,000
an outlet goes out like, hey, let's let's mean open

602
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,440
lines of communication, like let's not lose you as a

603
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,359
potential source down the line. I don't even know what

604
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,279
that was, but we've reached that point now where it's

605
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:12,839
just it's so egregious, it's so dumb, where I think

606
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:14,960
it's it's completely fair to just kind of put it

607
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,680
into context for listeners here and go, look, there's a

608
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,680
reason we're bringing up this trade even though it's four

609
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,519
weeks ago, Like we're bringing it up because the Dallas

610
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:25,519
Mavericks keep.

611
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:29,559
Speaker 2: Bringing it up. They did a very fucking stupid move

612
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,319
and they keep trying to justify it in the stupidest

613
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,359
fucking way ever, Like there's just no way you can

614
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,079
respect that there's no way you cannot attack it in

615
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:39,519
some way.

616
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean we'll see if it like sort

617
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,160
of quiets down now because the first meeting between the

618
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,920
two is yea out of the way. But I think

619
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,319
it'll probably maybe not from their end, but from the

620
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:53,759
opposing ends, it'll probably go louder if Luca continues to

621
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:55,799
play like it's first what was it like two or

622
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:57,799
three games with the Lakers was kind of eh. Then

623
00:28:57,839 --> 00:28:59,880
it goes he has a thirty point outing did you

624
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,599
have a triple double against the MAVs. So I like,

625
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,559
the better he plays, the further he is away from

626
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,519
his basketball demise, the worst. This is probably gonna get

627
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,880
optically for the Mavericks, and I guess maybe they're trying

628
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,039
to get out. Look, I'm sure these people are being

629
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:16,839
asked about it, and I'm sure there's these texts and

630
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,519
these messages aren't being sent unsolicited. At the same time,

631
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:24,440
it's no comment's fine too, like you used to so

632
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,079
like we're guilty of it, like covering the game where

633
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:29,759
it's constantly being talked about. Think about the amount of

634
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:31,839
just fallout pieces that have been written and it was

635
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,240
it was this slow or I shouldn't say slow like

636
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,480
this onslaught of a build to that Mavericks Lakers game,

637
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:41,039
like we just kept seeing pieces about it. I think

638
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,559
it was a landmark transaction, but it was a landmark

639
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:48,240
transaction that still weeks later no matter what angle at

640
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,759
which you view, it makes no sense.

641
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,079
Speaker 3: Right it's And here's the thing I get why mass

642
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:58,920
fans are also caught on something else because so many

643
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,599
of them are basically saying, what does this mean for

644
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,039
the future, Like what if we get another superstar in

645
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:07,599
here who is a top three, top two player in

646
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,680
the NBA, Like if we ever get that type of

647
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,440
guy in once again, does that guy have you know?

648
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:15,880
Can he kind of reference the Luca trade as to

649
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,960
why he may not wish to continue going like staying

650
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,519
with this organization? Like what kind of message are we

651
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:24,039
sending here? And I think that's totally fair because it's

652
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:26,480
not just the Luca trade in a nutshell, the fact

653
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:28,559
that they're throwing him under the bus the way that

654
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:32,880
they are right now, it's a blueprint Like Kyrie Irving

655
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:35,400
I believe has a player option this summer, right if

656
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,079
I'm not mistaken, So he could technically decline that and

657
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,759
leave that would be fully within his rights. Is he

658
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,960
sitting right now going, oh, if I leave, I am

659
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,839
gonna be torn shreds, Like I'm pretty sure that thought

660
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,480
has crossed his mind or at very least his agency.

661
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:58,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would certainly he who's Luca's agent?

662
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,920
Is he Bortles seeing he's a Bartlesceine client, right?

663
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: I believe so? Yes?

664
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Like why would Mark Bartlescene ever funnel like good players

665
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:08,759
in Dallas's direction at this point, after the way this

666
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,480
was handled, you have to think there's gonna be some

667
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,519
type of fallout and just the optics of it. When

668
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,960
wasn't part of the reason that Nico Harrison was brought

669
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,559
in at least the justification behind it was he's a

670
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:23,680
relationships guy and he's going to have those connections that

671
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,839
you can win big in free agency, And it was

672
00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:27,839
just funny. This is all happening in the backdrop as

673
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,759
free agency has never been less important to team building

674
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,759
at this point with the way things are structured, and

675
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:36,640
it's probably more about managing the talent that's already in

676
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,599
place and then winning trades, which he's the Luca trade

677
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,640
being an exception, like that front office has done a

678
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,799
pretty good job like building out the rest of the roster.

679
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:46,839
So yeah, I am curious to see if there's gonna

680
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,880
be fallout. I do wonder if do you think that

681
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,920
someone in Kyrie situation, maybe Nanty Davis's situation, like you're

682
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,119
kind of in your thirties and like Ynty Davis is

683
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,400
still borderline like top ten, top fifteen guy. But it's

684
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,559
just like, is there really only like a select few

685
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,200
or maybe it's the top ten guys that you're worried

686
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,680
about kind of rankling in that way because with Kyrie

687
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,359
it's sort of well, you're in like the middle end

688
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,519
let's say of your career. There's no cap space out there,

689
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:13,160
like what are you gonna do right now?

690
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: That's fair, That's a different situation for sure, that's not there.

691
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,680
There wouldn't be a lot of controversy regarding that.

692
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,519
Speaker 3: No, I think I think the concern is rafting a guy,

693
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,519
building him up for a couple of years, and then

694
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:29,400
that guy suddenly like, yeah, I know this pattern, like like,

695
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,279
oh did I check in two percentage points off my

696
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,920
targeted weight before the for the season?

697
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: Why Snico Harrison giving me the death stare?

698
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's I can sort of understand why people

699
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,359
would be in such a guy's ears too, like Baby

700
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,200
basically saying, you know, hey, don't get too comfortable, like

701
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:49,640
this is an organization that you can't.

702
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,799
Speaker 2: Trust because players talk. We know this.

703
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,799
Speaker 3: There are a lot of teams that have gone through it,

704
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,480
Like you brought up Oh Shay earlier, like the Blazers

705
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:01,039
for a while. Uh that was for his arrival though,

706
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:03,759
but like I want to say, twelve fifteen years ago

707
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,079
was not an organization that the players wanted to go to.

708
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: They had a bad reputation.

709
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: Right now, the Bulls are one of those teams, Like

710
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:14,240
there are teams out there with bad reputations that players

711
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:15,519
actively want to avoid.

712
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,119
Speaker 2: I think it's perfectly.

713
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: Reasonable to wonder if Dallas has entered the chat.

714
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: They probably have, because you know, we always kind of

715
00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:27,079
have these fallout pieces, and with Dallas it feels like

716
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,519
we've had more of them of late, because like they

717
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,119
kind of like remember the aff for Grant Williams the trade,

718
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:35,160
like they threw him under the bus too, and part

719
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,920
of that was like didn't Luga Dancic's not get along

720
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,559
with him or whatever. We always see these things with players,

721
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:41,880
like even star players I think about hard how many

722
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,920
times we've seen that with him, maybe about Kyrie is

723
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,599
a vert example, even Kevin Durant. But what's different is

724
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,839
in all of those situations, unless I'm misremember even Kawi,

725
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:55,839
even if I'm misremembering one, there was always something like

726
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,920
the player requested out, or there was like this stuff

727
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,720
leading up to it contributed to the trade or them leaving.

728
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:06,599
And with Luca, the MAVs just decided that they didn't

729
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,360
want to pay him, and they I think, what's gonna

730
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,960
make this so much There's so many things that make

731
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,119
it so much worse when you're looking at it, like

732
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:16,840
how you're looking at it. What makes it so much

733
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,159
worse is if this is not the guy at this

734
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,800
point in his career that you're comfortable paying, then who

735
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,079
are you comfortable paying?

736
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:25,519
Speaker 2: Right?

737
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,159
Speaker 1: Because it's just look, players sign their contracts. I think

738
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,840
part of the money, part of the contracts. Everything's collectively bargained.

739
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,039
They can be traded unless they have a no trade

740
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,800
clause at any given moment. But like when you finally

741
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,440
see because it is going to happen now, I think

742
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:43,559
maybe the Luka Dancic situation accelerated this. Someone is going

743
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,719
to request out either before they sign their rookie Max

744
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,000
extension or like almost immediately after, like you play out

745
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,480
that season as the poison pill, and then you're gonna

746
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,719
request down. Someone is going to do that. And while

747
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,760
there's the contractual obligations of it all, there's the balance

748
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,599
of like balance of leverage tips in the favor of

749
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:04,800
the team in those instances, it's going to happen. And

750
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,159
this could be like part of the rationale behind a

751
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:11,239
player or their agents in particular, thinking that because look

752
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,440
at what this team did to someone who, again from

753
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,400
everything we have seen on the court, that is the

754
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,440
player that not even the super match, but that the

755
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,079
Max is designed for.

756
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what really gets me confused about all this

757
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,280
as well is even if you when you're the match

758
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,400
and you're citing like the beer and the hookah and

759
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,880
all of this, right, what you're really saying is, all right,

760
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,079
we don't trust your body to keep up. What you're saying, then,

761
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,079
is it's going to be a lack of availability. That's

762
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,719
what you're concerned about. You're concerned about paying a ton

763
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,760
of money for a guy who won't be available a

764
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,320
great deal.

765
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,119
Speaker 2: So you trade for Anthony Davis.

766
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,599
Speaker 1: Which doesn't it suck because we have to chop down

767
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,599
Anthony Davis in order to make that point. But it's

768
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,280
it's I don't even think we do.

769
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 3: Like it's fair he misses games like I have a

770
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,320
ton of respect for him. I think both of you

771
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,000
and I agree that he's such a wildly influential player.

772
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,440
But like the guy has a history of not being

773
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,639
able to stay healthy. I don't think that's tearing him down.

774
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,760
I think that's just facts, right, I know.

775
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: You're right there. It's like that that framing never made

776
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,559
sense because it's if you were that concerned about availability,

777
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,239
you might have would have targeted a different collection of players.

778
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,599
Or he might have decided to burn as most teams

779
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:31,599
would have if you're trading someone's transcendent as Luca, burn

780
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:33,159
the whole thing down and start over.

781
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's there's no logic behind it. The fact

782
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,280
that they keep throwing under the bus is why we

783
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,880
should bring this up, is why they deserve all the criticism,

784
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,519
And honestly, every single time they decide to bring this up,

785
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,159
I'm gonna keep talking about it. Like when the Dallas

786
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,480
Mavericks decides to shut the fuck up.

787
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: I will too. That's no, that's basically, who are you kidding?

788
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,519
Maybe maybe it will.

789
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: It's easy to say that because it doesn't seem like

790
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,079
Dallas is gonna kind of shut up about this. I'm

791
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,440
assuming we'll reach a point when it does. But I think,

792
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,679
I mean, they're gonna be the butt of jokes for

793
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,159
so long because it's even Grant has said this on

794
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,159
our podcast. Even if they're right, they're like still wrong

795
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,719
because the component we haven't touched on is you mentioned

796
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,960
like the Mavericks fan reaction. I don't actually like they

797
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,119
could have gotten honest. Maybe they could have gotten Wemby,

798
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,559
but there is that like emotional attachment to like that

799
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:32,239
guy being we drafted him. He came up here, he

800
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,559
was the bridge into this arrow. This was everything was

801
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,280
supposed to be structured around him. I still don't think

802
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,480
I think the fallout would have been much different, but

803
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,039
I don't think it would have been anywhere near overwhelmingly

804
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:47,000
positive because like part of fandom, and this is the part,

805
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:49,119
there's a lot of part of fandom that like for us,

806
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,440
it could be grading and it could be annoying. Like

807
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,679
I respect that part, like you're attached to the players

808
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,679
that like especially the ones that came up with you,

809
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,199
and that it's not just about I think teams want

810
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,920
it to be about long But I would say now

811
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,119
more so than ever, when players are brands, when the

812
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:05,800
NBA promotes these players as they do, when you're dealing

813
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,000
with international superstars like Luka Doncic, there's going to be

814
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,440
an attachment to the players. And so I honestly think,

815
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,840
like at the Bucks said, had they figured out a

816
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,920
way to get Giannis, like I don't think that would

817
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,199
the reaction have been more justifiable. Like yeah, but like,

818
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,280
are we sure that Mavericks fans would have really been

819
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,519
on board with that?

820
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: Are we sure Bucks fans would too? That's the same, Well, you.

821
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,519
Speaker 1: Know, that's a great that's a that's an absolute great

822
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:36,440
point is to say, like, oh, you got the younger superstar,

823
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,840
and maybe that that could be an element of all

824
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,000
this is that it's probably easier to talk to yourself

825
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,960
into the not even necessarily imagine you maybe didn't get

826
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,920
the better player, depending on like Giannis and Luca is

827
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,239
a different discussion than Jannis and Ad, But you did

828
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,559
get the younger player, and so maybe there's something different

829
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:54,239
to that. But you're right, like Bucks fans would like,

830
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,360
that's the guy who they won a title with, who

831
00:38:56,679 --> 00:38:58,599
that team drafted and developed, who has said that he

832
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,159
wanted to Would he just say about Milwaukee that they

833
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:03,519
would have to drag him out or whatever he said?

834
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,960
So yeah, Like that's so I don't think that they

835
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,119
could have brings us back to the part like like

836
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:11,880
why are you making the trade at all? And I

837
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,519
don't know if this has been talked about enough, but

838
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:18,840
if they were concerned about the drinking and the hookah

839
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,079
use and just like, yeah, him being able to stay

840
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,119
in shape, what does that say about you that like

841
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:27,000
you weren't like the drinking problems, but like, if you

842
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:31,559
think it's a caps lock bold text italics problem, did

843
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:35,079
you do everything within your power and resources to help

844
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,480
this kid. I understand that these are stars and that

845
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:43,199
they're brands and that they're famous. There's still also people,

846
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,599
and so I'm not going to, you know, cry when

847
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:48,679
they get traded without warning. That I could imagine that sucks.

848
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:52,360
It's also part of the business. But like really, like

849
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,280
that's how like the spin is. It's like, well, man,

850
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,880
he's in so much trouble, we don't want to fucking

851
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,000
help him, like you need to then come out and say, like,

852
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,360
we did everything, and then show us how you did

853
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,920
everything within your power to help him, and you can.

854
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,360
You don't even get to hide behind the cloak of well,

855
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,599
we're just trying not to air his laundry out there,

856
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,519
like people don't know how deep this goes, and we

857
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:11,920
don't want them to know, because we'll just circle back

858
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,480
and point to all these anonymous sources talking about how

859
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,119
they're predicting his demise within the next half decades.

860
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,079
Speaker 3: I think I think the word kid is actually fair

861
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:22,000
on many levels because I know people are going to

862
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:23,519
point to, oh, he's going to be twenty six and

863
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:27,440
just a moment, but this is clearly something that they've

864
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,559
been worrying about for a long while. This didn't just

865
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:33,519
materialize out of thin air over the past month, like

866
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,480
of course it didn't, like this has been a thing

867
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,639
for years. We know that they've complained a little bit

868
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,760
internally about like, oh, we're a little bit nervous about

869
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:41,800
how he's never in shape.

870
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:44,159
Speaker 2: They've done that since he was basically.

871
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: What twenty twenty one, that like, well, wait a second,

872
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,280
twenty two, twenty three, because that's when the weight gains

873
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:56,079
like started that's a kid to me twenty two twenty three, right, yeah,

874
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,519
the stuff eighty in at twenty two twenty three.

875
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,559
Speaker 1: It's also like even with Zion, like being so young,

876
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:03,440
like it's easy to say you're making all this money,

877
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,239
like get your body in shape, but like it's just you,

878
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,960
Like that's not the mindset. That's why people say you

879
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:11,800
just wasted on the young. But I could even I

880
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,360
think the thing that really just I struggle to wrap

881
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,599
my brain around. I understand that I don't want I'm

882
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:19,800
never gonna look to in the NBA itself or an

883
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,239
organization as this arbor of morality. But even if he's not,

884
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,760
even if you don't, I'm not saying kids will be

885
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,119
kids or this isn't boys will be boys. He could

886
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,639
have been thirty seven, have a legitimate drinking problem, and

887
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,559
like you're not gonna like you're like you're gonna ship

888
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:35,280
him off, And I understand the real world, like you

889
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,119
might get fired from your job. It was the same

890
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:39,719
thing that doesn't necessarily make it okay. And even if

891
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,840
you do that to then kind of use that as

892
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,280
the shield, like, oh, he has a drinking problem, so

893
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,840
we fire him into the sun. No, that that just

894
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:50,599
their spin to me just makes there was no in

895
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:52,719
this specific instance, there was no way to spend it

896
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,880
unless he asked for out. So I understand that. But

897
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,360
like the way they've caught about it is just been

898
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,840
it's it's been so cringey. Someone effective and finally just

899
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,760
so frequent, like all right, like leave it like you

900
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,320
did it, you fucked up, like time to move on.

901
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: So Durant, Uh, someone who certainly does not struggle with

902
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,159
wave these shoes whatsoever, that.

903
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: Perhaps kind of got weight issues.

904
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: Perhaps he was the guy the comparison should have gone

905
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,039
for instead.

906
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

907
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: Durant, as we know at the trade headline, was like, no,

908
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,840
I don't want to go back to Golden State. I

909
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,679
kind of want to see this through. Everyone seems to

910
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:35,039
be aligned now that he's going to get traded this summer.

911
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,039
The Hoop collective, I think said it the other day,

912
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:41,800
if not two day, basically that this is this is

913
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,239
gonna happen. Durant, though, said something interesting. He went on

914
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,159
the Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis like I haven't

915
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:49,559
listened to it.

916
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:51,119
Speaker 2: I just read the transcript, so I don't know.

917
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:55,599
Speaker 1: He went on Draymond Green's podcast. Yeah, you alerted me.

918
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,920
I didn't see any of these comments. I'm oh, this

919
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,119
is even better. I didn't know it was the Draymond.

920
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: Green yeah, but with Baron Davis. So I haven't listened

921
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,360
to it, so I don't know if that Draymond was

922
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,760
even there or Baron.

923
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:10,599
Speaker 1: Davis was on load managing his podcast like Paul George's.

924
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:11,719
Did you see that? I saw that.

925
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,639
Speaker 2: I saw that ye podcast p.

926
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: For the championship push. I assume he means like plating

927
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,239
their Cooper flag. Odds is the only That's why that

928
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:23,920
was wild.

929
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: Uh No, So he went on the pot and he

930
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:29,119
he said that he wants his career to end on

931
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,079
his terms and that's the only thing that he's worried about.

932
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:35,039
But then he said this, but as far as the Warriors,

933
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:35,800
I didn't.

934
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:36,039
Speaker 2: Want to move.

935
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 3: And then as a player like me, I cost a lot.

936
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:40,960
Me going into your team in the middle of the

937
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,760
season is going to be a big blow to any

938
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,599
team I'm going to I get why you wanted to

939
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,719
trade for me, simple fact that's just business for me

940
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,159
looking at it, it just doesn't make sense for either

941
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,199
side right now to go through that when we just

942
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:57,760
play the season out and if that's the decision you

943
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:58,400
want to make.

944
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,199
Speaker 2: In the off season, then we can figure it out.

945
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: Uh, hello, that's big.

946
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but like that's that's kind of big.

947
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: That's that's a door opener, right, Like he just opened

948
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,159
the fucking door.

949
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I said this to you when you

950
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,119
first told me about this off air. I don't understand

951
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,320
the beginning of that, where it costs so much to

952
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,199
bring me in mid season, you don't get him for

953
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,599
free over the off seasons as far as I know,

954
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:27,719
is there a loophole on the CBA that I don't know?

955
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 3: I'm just assuming the players and the CBA understanding generally

956
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,599
is lacking, and because like that's not their job.

957
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: That's why they have agents, which fair enough, like you have.

958
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 3: To work on your your skill level and your body

959
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,119
and everything during the off season.

960
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: I get it.

961
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: But just the mere fact that he seems to be

962
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,000
open to doing this, that's that's kind of wild. Maybe

963
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:49,719
maybe he just said it because he knew, Oh, they

964
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,320
got Jimmy, so like the pressure isn't on me to

965
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,360
do anything. Maybe just a cheap way of just saying

966
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,320
telling Dubbs fans, like, you know, I would be open

967
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,400
to it, but not really.

968
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,519
Speaker 2: I don't know, And I could.

969
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: See this being his way like initially saying no, it's

970
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,559
just his way of wants to survey the land in

971
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,679
the offseason and then like choose where he will like

972
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:11,800
figure out how you know him and his his people

973
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,920
like they put out feelers or they look at which

974
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,880
teams they want to go to. Because I find it

975
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,199
interesting that he said this, and I appreciate the candor.

976
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:21,920
I'm sure some people are mad that he says this,

977
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,800
but I want players to be I don't like I

978
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,559
want them to be candid. We can't. We can't campaign

979
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:28,320
for candor and then get mad when they give it

980
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,559
to us. This is my whole thing, But I don't

981
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:34,559
see the pathway to getting to go. It'd be really

982
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,639
funny though, if he is campaigning to get the Golden

983
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,039
State on the podcast of the player who will then

984
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:41,719
need to be traded to get him to Golden Staa.

985
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: Oh god, that'd fantastic. What is that?

986
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,559
Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess we know the Suns are

987
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:54,639
interested in Jimmy, so like there is framework there that

988
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,920
you can make work. But if you're the warriors, Like,

989
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,719
I like, if would you even just do just forget

990
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,159
about the money for a second, did you just do

991
00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:04,920
it one for one? Still at this point, I mean,

992
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,119
the sample size with Jimmy's been really small, but it's

993
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:10,800
been good step minutes right now, Like, I don't know,

994
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:11,760
it's pretty interesting.

995
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 3: I mean, look, if that's offered to me, if that's

996
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,920
a one on one flip, yeah, I look, I'm I'm

997
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,760
calling Jimmy immediately. I'm going love your buddy. I'm driving

998
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,360
your ass to the fucking airport.

999
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, man, I don't know.

1000
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 2: Like it's KD.

1001
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: Jimmy's a little bit younger, he's the better, Like I

1002
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:34,039
think he's the better playmaker at this point.

1003
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, that he is.

1004
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: But a defender. Yeah, you know what, I'm actually gonna

1005
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,400
say it. I gotta stop. I'm not doing it. If

1006
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,440
I'm Golden side, all right, I wouldn't do it.

1007
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: I mean, it's still KD.

1008
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: Though the chemistry is already established with Steph, he's still

1009
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,719
one of the toughest shot makers of all time.

1010
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: The three point range.

1011
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: Alone is going to give them so much more space

1012
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:57,920
to operate with.

1013
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 2: I I gotta go to enough of those.

1014
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, look, maybe he's you know,

1015
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,679
he's getting older eventually. We have this thing where we

1016
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,039
always talk about Lebron like never aging. I think we

1017
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,079
sort of have to talk about the same thing with

1018
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:20,320
Durant though, like this dude is still averaging twenty seven,

1019
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:21,320
Like it's nothing.

1020
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: Well, so here's my things, Like I'm just like kind

1021
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,360
of dealing with the law of averages, I guess or whatever,

1022
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,800
where these players are going to have to age at

1023
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,360
some point. And so what is Kevin Durant going to

1024
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,440
be his age thirty eight campaign next year? Because he's

1025
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,760
thirty seven now or my year ahead.

1026
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:38,679
Speaker 3: Of it, He's actually only thirty six. He'll be thirty

1027
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:39,840
seven in September, all right.

1028
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: So they're really not that far apart because Jimmy turned

1029
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,880
thirty five in September, right, I think.

1030
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think let's just double check.

1031
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: I am just like, don't you think maybe I'm Galaxy

1032
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,599
branding this, But don't you think that Jimmy that Golden

1033
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:55,440
State has so many different boxes to check, and to me,

1034
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:58,960
it feels like Jimmy Butler checks them more than Kevin

1035
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:00,239
Durant does.

1036
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: In terms of the defense, the secondary ball handling or

1037
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,880
the church here, depending on how you fit in dream On. Yeah,

1038
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,519
there's definitely something there, But I do think Durand can

1039
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:14,400
adequately take over some of those responsibilities. Like, look, he's

1040
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,760
not a bad defender. I agree that Jimmy is better.

1041
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:23,039
Durand is still like a seven foot switchable, long armed

1042
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:27,760
nuisance defensively, jim Jimmy is still disruptive as hell like,

1043
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,719
and he's he's probably a little bit more dedicated on

1044
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,559
that end than k D because Durand still is a

1045
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:35,159
bucket geter.

1046
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: But that's also why you acquire him.

1047
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,599
Speaker 3: You acquire a forward who can just give you twenty seven,

1048
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,559
Like it's nothing like, he'll sort of find a way regardless,

1049
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,760
just to get to that number while still playing adequate defense,

1050
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,119
while still playing you know, adequate playmaking. I would go

1051
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,519
that route. I get what you're saying, though, like, especially

1052
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:01,000
in terms of Jimmy also handling some the secondary unit

1053
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,960
responsibilities of him, like being at de factor point guard,

1054
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,920
setting things up, being a primary scorer when the vast

1055
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,199
majority of the players are in or from the second unit.

1056
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 2: I get it.

1057
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: I'm still going major upside here, I'm I'm and also

1058
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:19,920
like the Steph durand years were dope. They were so

1059
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:23,920
fun And maybe I'm seeking nostalgia, like I'll own up

1060
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:24,800
to that, but.

1061
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: I really fun. Maybe the first two were like that

1062
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,400
that first like the first year and a half was fun.

1063
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,360
Then everything after that almost felt grading.

1064
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:35,039
Speaker 2: You think, so I know from okay, the final season

1065
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:35,840
was not fun.

1066
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,679
Speaker 3: Now the final year was was fed up for sure,

1067
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,000
But like I still think from a purely basketball perspective,

1068
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:46,639
the way they played off one another, God, that was great.

1069
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1070
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean they are two of the most plug and

1071
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,360
play superstars in league history. He's not the two biggest

1072
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,239
plug and play superstars, Like you could PLoP them on

1073
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,639
any team and it's just gonna work. So if push

1074
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:00,840
comes to shot, I feel like moreeople would side with

1075
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,880
you then they would side with me. But I like,

1076
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,760
don't you think it might be a little closer, like

1077
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,079
there will be like a real there'll be real division

1078
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,239
here with that or no, am I am I overthinking

1079
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:09,679
this now?

1080
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 3: No, I mean, look, I get what you're saying. I'm

1081
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,559
just saying from my perspective, I would drive Jimmy to

1082
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,280
the airport. With all due respect to Jimmy Butler, because

1083
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,400
I just have Durant at a higher level.

1084
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: I just do. I always have.

1085
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: That's not to say Jimmy isn't great, and that's not

1086
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,960
to say he doesn't solve a lot of those issues,

1087
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,760
as you pointed out, because accurately so. And I think,

1088
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,480
I think when it comes down to me is if

1089
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:36,280
Durant wants to go to Golden State in the summer,

1090
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,679
let's say that that's the thing, and that's the motivation,

1091
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:41,840
you know, in him wanting to go there, that makes

1092
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,280
me a lot more, you know, that puts me more

1093
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,480
at ease. Whereas if he's traded there against his will,

1094
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,440
then yeah, I'm going Jimmy for sure.

1095
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting too, I'm proudly not considering is

1096
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,000
like there won't be I still think defensively Durant like

1097
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:01,000
on the interior better than Jimmy for sure, but like

1098
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,079
now there's there is gonna be some redundancy at least

1099
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:07,519
spatially with Jimmy and Jonathan Kaminga. And so if you

1100
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,920
want to keep Jonathan Kaminga, Durant and him just don't

1101
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,280
have nearly as much overlap on the offensive end of

1102
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,880
the floor, so that that would probably be like maybe

1103
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,519
the biggest Like, oh, like, okay, now it's kaminga Durant

1104
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:21,840
and Steph and Draymond makes way more sense than Butler.

1105
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,559
Kaminga Steph and and Draymond. Would you, as the Warriors,

1106
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:29,079
if this was on the table, would you rather trade

1107
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,360
Jimmy Butler or build something around Draymond Green?

1108
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:35,639
Speaker 2: Oh, Draymond, build around Draymond? Yeah, for sure.

1109
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: Like come on, if if they somehow may retain Steph

1110
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:47,079
Jimmy and then add KD, I mean, that's ridiculous, that's ridiculous.

1111
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: Well, it's potentially ridiculous, but there's I mean, they're not

1112
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:52,480
necessarily getting a lot older, but like there's some real

1113
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:53,679
combustibility in that.

1114
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,159
Speaker 3: Of course, But like I appreciate the effort though, Like

1115
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:00,599
for them to go like that into the finally of Steph,

1116
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,159
I feel like that's doing Steph right too.

1117
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:03,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1118
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,639
Speaker 1: Some of our biggest critiques of the podcast we did

1119
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:08,159
in the reactions. I didn't give the Warriors an A

1120
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,239
plus on the Jimmy Butler trade because I've been saying

1121
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:14,239
that there were ways for them to really Optimizeteph's timeline

1122
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,760
without giving up everything, and I only gave him like

1123
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,039
a B plus or whatever it is in part because

1124
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:20,719
I thought that they like waited too long to do this,

1125
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,519
but for sure, like that is certainly a vote of confidence,

1126
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:26,920
and like, okay, we're all about Steph, like we've been saying,

1127
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,280
right we are. It's I almost can't pay, Like I mean,

1128
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,159
I guess he said it so it could happen. It

1129
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:35,000
would just be like that'd be such a weird order

1130
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:38,519
of operations, like turned down the trade mid season only

1131
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:40,480
to make it in the off season, Like what would

1132
00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:44,920
have been the material difference there? So I just the

1133
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,480
whole situation is just weird, but I guess to be

1134
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:51,280
expected because it feels like this is what happens when

1135
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,400
just like we know what happens when Jimmy Butler leaves

1136
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,840
teams or James Harden leaves a team, this is kind

1137
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,599
of what happens when Kevin Durant leaves a team. Is

1138
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:01,440
that there's like months worth of teams, if not more.

1139
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,320
And I think it says a lot that you mentioned

1140
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,679
it before. Brian Windhorst is one of the most plugged

1141
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:10,360
in guys in the entire league, and he's like very

1142
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,280
more so than most, very particular about what he says.

1143
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,079
I feel like you very rarely see him preempt things

1144
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:19,880
with such diffinity as him just basically saying that Kevin

1145
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,320
Durant is going to be created. And so it's like,

1146
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:24,519
I've already just decided that Kevin Durant's not gonna be

1147
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:27,000
in Phoenix at the start, just because Windhorse framed it

1148
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:29,000
the way that he has fully agree.

1149
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:31,679
Speaker 3: So maybe let's get into where, because if it's not

1150
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,519
going to be Golden State, I don't know why, but

1151
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,519
I'm really thinking Minnesota might end up with him.

1152
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:40,519
Speaker 1: They were the team. I found it funny when the

1153
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:42,679
initial reporting came out that said they tried to get him,

1154
00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:44,960
and I pointed out like the second Apron things, and

1155
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,880
then there were some follower up reporting that said they

1156
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,960
were trying to figure out a way to duck like

1157
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,280
the Second Apron so they could aggregate salaries, Like was

1158
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,559
this about Kevin Durant and more about lowering their luxury

1159
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,960
tax bill? Is like the point that it kind of reached, right,

1160
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,360
But yeah, I mean that would be interesting, but you still,

1161
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,039
if you're a Minnisot, you still have a lot of

1162
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,320
moving parts to figure out, like what is the primary

1163
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,079
outgoing salaries? And I guess it depends on if Julius

1164
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:10,320
Randall picks up his player option, and then if he doesn't,

1165
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,119
that almost makes it harder for you because he might

1166
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:17,519
take less, you know, logistically, less moving parts to make

1167
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:19,639
it happen. But then it's oh, like, are we trying

1168
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:21,360
to find someone to take on Rudy Gobert or is

1169
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,000
it Jade McDaniels is getting moved In that instance, I

1170
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,039
would just be fascinated. What the structure there.

1171
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,079
Speaker 3: Looks like, let's see, so DuRane is going to be

1172
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:33,800
at fifty five fifty four point seven next year, how

1173
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:36,320
would Rudy.

1174
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: Gobar and Jade McDaniels look. That's sixty.

1175
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, so they can don't get me wrong,

1176
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,400
They can get to the money I think fairly easily.

1177
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,360
But as of right now, I guess they're under the

1178
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:51,679
If you think so, they if Julius Randall opts in,

1179
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,559
they're still going to be a second Apron team, right

1180
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:56,800
or are they actually going to be out of it? No,

1181
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,760
they should still be a second Apron team. Unless I'm

1182
00:54:58,760 --> 00:54:59,719
reading this wrong.

1183
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:04,159
Speaker 2: They could be. So Gobert's salary goes down by about.

1184
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot that. He goes down now yeah.

1185
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's offset a little bit by McDaniels going up.

1186
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,760
I mean, look, if you if you rich yourself, not

1187
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,960
rich yourself because he's a good player, it just hasn't

1188
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,639
been a good fit. But if you find a taker

1189
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:21,840
for Deevincenzo, which I think you can, like, he's still good.

1190
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: I don't think teams.

1191
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:26,159
Speaker 3: Around the league are like, oh, you played bad in Minnesota,

1192
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:26,880
Well fuck you.

1193
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,519
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna be a thing.

1194
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: And he was starting to kind of come on too

1195
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,880
before his injury.

1196
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was, so I think there could definitely be

1197
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,840
a taker for him, and especially teams that would take

1198
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,920
him into cap space easily. I mean or the the

1199
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,280
MLE for example, which is now a thing you can do,

1200
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,000
so that.

1201
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: Probably glow the mL. I totally forgot about that as well.

1202
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: He's so cheap. He's so cheap.

1203
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess my read on it actually is

1204
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,360
Minnesota will have no problem aggregating contracts this summer, even

1205
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,039
with Julius Randall opting in.

1206
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

1207
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: The driving The driving force here obviously is Anthony Edwards

1208
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,440
because KD is his favorite player. I imagine he would

1209
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:15,039
love that chance. We all know that KD is like

1210
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,079
very you know, flattered of the continuous praise he gets

1211
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,480
from the young kids. So I don't know, something just

1212
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,599
seems like that to me could be in the cards.

1213
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,679
Speaker 1: I yeah, I mean, and I guess Phoenix won't have

1214
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:31,320
a ton of lever because Minnesota has no picks to offer, right,

1215
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,320
And so I guess you're just getting there with two

1216
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,679
of like the more like nas reed if he opts in.

1217
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,559
But if he ops out, that could complicate things a

1218
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:41,480
little bit. I'd be curious what the package would end

1219
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:44,599
up looking like, because if I'm Phoenix, I'm not taking

1220
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:48,519
back like Julius Randall and Filler to make this happen.

1221
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:52,159
Speaker 3: Dude, take back Gobert because you're so drastically in need

1222
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:52,760
of a center.

1223
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: Oh how long is that Gobert extension for Again, He's

1224
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:58,960
on the books for another three years?

1225
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:02,559
Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, so this summer he's got three years left.

1226
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:05,039
We're actually too guaranteed. Then he's got a player option

1227
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,360
in year three for thirty eight million.

1228
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: But I'm guessing he's gonna pick that up. So three years, yes,

1229
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:12,719
I mean.

1230
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,559
Speaker 1: So it'd be go Bear and then what like then

1231
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,400
de Vincenzo.

1232
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 3: And Stevencenzo or if you want to, like, because it's

1233
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,039
Kevin Durant you're getting after all, you might have to

1234
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:25,239
relinquish Dad McDaniels instead and then expand the package from

1235
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:26,400
Phoenix's point of view.

1236
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:27,639
Speaker 2: So you're kidding, I.

1237
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:31,079
Speaker 1: Mean Phoenix and Jane McDaniels is involved, Like I pretty much,

1238
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:33,280
I'm really looking at it. And if you're in Minnesota,

1239
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,760
what there I'm assuming there's gonna be third and fourth

1240
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,119
teams here because even if Minnesota can take back more

1241
00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:40,559
money than it's sending out, you don't invest all this

1242
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:42,039
money in Kevin Duran. And if you ever was just

1243
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:43,559
to be hard tapped below the.

1244
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: First day, right, that's and that's fair. That's a fair point.

1245
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,199
Speaker 3: And also that like this team would have to like

1246
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,000
pivot from being a defensive oriented team into like fully

1247
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,159
offens because it's gonna be nas reed Kevin Duran and

1248
00:57:55,199 --> 00:58:00,119
Anthony Edwards like and then Rob Dealingham. I guess that's

1249
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:02,039
gonna be all offense. That's not gonna be a lot

1250
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:02,480
of defense.

1251
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,519
Speaker 1: You're just giving you can maybe resigned to Alexander Walker

1252
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:09,360
would help them, sure, yeah, I mean the whole jewel, Like,

1253
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:12,320
but then Julius Randall's still there in the package that

1254
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:12,840
we just.

1255
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,039
Speaker 2: So that's it's gonna be nass reed, Julius Randall, Kevin Durant,

1256
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:23,559
Anthony Edwards and Roth that's gonna be all offense.

1257
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it would be way more of a no brainer

1258
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,880
if they're like even if it costs you Dillingham. Yeah,

1259
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,760
if it's like Dillingham and Randall and Devincenzone, like you're

1260
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,719
doing whatever you have to make them, Like, I'm probably

1261
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:38,440
more on board with that. Uh, that'd be I mean,

1262
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,920
we know Anthy Edwards like looks up to Kevin Durant's

1263
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,920
like that would be a nice little win there and

1264
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,559
he would be a good fit. I'm just curious, like,

1265
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:49,320
do you think there'd be a better offer for Durant

1266
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,880
because Minnesota feels like if they put j mcdonnel's on

1267
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,119
the table, Okay, it's different, but if Kevin Durant wants

1268
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:57,320
to go there, then it becomes way more power like

1269
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,280
not even palatable, but like Phoenix is forced to work

1270
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,599
with that. Would you We've talked about this. I don't

1271
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:04,880
think we need to spend a some time on it,

1272
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,480
but like, do you think Houston would be involved in

1273
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:09,840
a camera Restpeep six or are they kind of waiting

1274
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,280
for the Devin Bookers Reepstakes.

1275
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been talking about this, Like the Devin Poker

1276
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,079
part makes way more sense. I don't think they want

1277
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:20,239
to go that old because that means just shortening their

1278
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:23,960
window dramatically, like dramatically, So it has to be a

1279
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,760
team that's already there where the primary cores is probably

1280
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,599
a little bit older. You know, it seemed like Sacramento

1281
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:33,360
would be super fun. I just don't think they can

1282
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,440
get there in the asset department, but I wouldn't hate that,

1283
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:40,320
like if they're still trying to win at the very least,

1284
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,039
there's something fun about the prospect of Durant going there,

1285
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:48,360
especially if you get Damar out of there. Like, I

1286
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,400
absolutely think it's the bonus. Durant Lavine trio would be

1287
00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:55,320
like top League pass type of shit.

1288
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: Can they get to the money without including Zach Lavine

1289
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:02,599
at that point that you have a funk I guess

1290
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:03,480
can be thrown in there.

1291
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see, because that's a really good point. De

1292
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:11,079
rosen is at twenty four point seven, Monk is at

1293
01:00:11,559 --> 01:00:13,199
eighteen point seven.

1294
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:15,039
Speaker 1: You're at forty. You're almost there. But you need another

1295
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,840
one million if.

1296
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,119
Speaker 2: You want to. Salentunis would make it. That would work and.

1297
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: That, but then you just have no pro maker. You

1298
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,119
have give the bonus and Levine and Durant who are

1299
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:28,199
all like, it's almost a really good point maker, but

1300
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:29,440
he's not, you know.

1301
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,679
Speaker 3: Right, don't have anyone like you still have Kean Ellis

1302
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:36,320
because he's on a on a team option by it

1303
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,039
gets it gets rough from there.

1304
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also like, at that point, if you're Sacramento,

1305
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:45,599
is that a team and you think Durant signs an

1306
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:46,239
extension with.

1307
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,239
Speaker 2: At that age? Do we care?

1308
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: Also fair?

1309
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:55,559
Speaker 3: I mean, I get it though he'd be he'd be

1310
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:57,440
an understated free agent twenty twenty six.

1311
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,599
Speaker 1: So I want to hear you what would it look like?

1312
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:01,599
Would san Antonio consider it?

1313
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 3: I think the Spurs would be like if if for

1314
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:12,119
the right package, yeah, probably probably, But they there we

1315
01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:14,119
saw that with the darn Fox trade. They were not

1316
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:17,239
fucking around. They were like, we're not going to relinquish

1317
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,519
the podcast, We're not going to relinquish the Hawks picks.

1318
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:24,199
Like I don't even know what the what the like

1319
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:25,679
the actual trade.

1320
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,039
Speaker 1: Is like it would have to be I think almost

1321
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:30,920
Cell has to be included in that deal, because yeah, yeah,

1322
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,760
and then like you're not gonna trade Fox, I would assume.

1323
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 3: It'll have to be the cell killed in Johnson and Harrison, Barnes,

1324
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:38,800
all three of them essentially.

1325
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm Devin of a cell pilled, so I'd

1326
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,039
probably say no, but like that they might consider it

1327
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:43,599
to be fair.

1328
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: I love the Cell.

1329
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:47,639
Speaker 3: He's struggled a lot this year, which is unfortunate, But.

1330
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:51,559
Speaker 1: It just be having like two Devin Bookers on the Suns.

1331
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:54,760
That'd be really fun. By the way. That's the other

1332
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,559
thing is like Durant will have a saying where he goes.

1333
01:01:56,599 --> 01:01:59,920
But I'll be very if Phoenix has options to choose.

1334
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:03,119
And let's say, you know, I think like if you're

1335
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,920
taking a Spurs patils included, if you're taking like a

1336
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,239
Timberwolf's package, it's very incoming players focused. If you're taking

1337
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:13,800
a package from like the Kings, or even if the

1338
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,079
Rockets get involved, they're probably trying to figure out how

1339
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:20,360
it's more picks based, and even the Spurs might But

1340
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:21,960
like I said, Vesselle would be included in that. They

1341
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:23,639
might be the team that could offer a balance.

1342
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get both if you if you ship

1343
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,280
out Visselle, Kelton Johnson and Harrison Barnes for a salary

1344
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:35,440
matching purposes, that doesn't, you know, preclude you from adding picks.

1345
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:37,039
Speaker 2: You can still do that.

1346
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: Maybe it should.

1347
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. I'm just saying, like technically they could, right,

1348
01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:47,760
But is that also is it cheating to have Kevin

1349
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,119
Durand and Victor woman Yama on the same team? Is

1350
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:54,559
that like, is that cheating? Is that allowed with CPA regulations?

1351
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:01,639
Speaker 1: Probably not, that's gonna be or you'll be even more hysterical.

1352
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:03,800
Maybe there's more teams all that. The Spurs end up

1353
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,079
turning around and trading Daron Fox as part of any

1354
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:10,159
Kevin Durant deal because they decide like, rather than giving

1355
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:12,400
up picks or something, they're like bringing in another party

1356
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,880
like taking on Daron Fox or maybe Phoenix wants to

1357
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,440
dearon Fox at that point. I don't know, but that

1358
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,400
would be that would be really funny too.

1359
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:22,159
Speaker 3: There are so many possibilities there, But like, could you

1360
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:26,480
imagine just the evolution of Wempy to have just one

1361
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:29,440
year playing next to the guy that he's sort of

1362
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:36,000
tailoring himself up as offensively speaking, Yeah, dude, dude.

1363
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:39,159
Speaker 1: Do you think Miami would get involved here at all?

1364
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,639
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean they would try to. I don't

1365
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:43,679
know if they have the assets, but the Heat, like I.

1366
01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:46,119
Speaker 3: Think the Heat are looking to rebuild, but like if

1367
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:49,480
they hear Kevin Durant, They're probably gonna pivot off those

1368
01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:51,719
those plans pretty quickly.

1369
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: There was actually there was a fascinating question in our discord,

1370
01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:57,800
and it was I think it was proposed through basically

1371
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,559
the lens of this team is going to have to

1372
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,639
cause eventually, and this kind of shortens it. But if

1373
01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:06,280
the Celtics don't win the title this year and the

1374
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,320
Sun's call, and it's just there's gonna have to be

1375
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,280
other moving parts. But it's Durant for Jalen Brown.

1376
01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:17,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean yes, yes, yes, or who before Boston?

1377
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,679
I love Jalen Brown, but like, yes, I'm absolutely doing that.

1378
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:23,719
Speaker 1: So Jalen Brown is what is he on the books

1379
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:24,360
for next season?

1380
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 3: I'm trying to look at fifty three million, fifty three

1381
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,360
point one and Kd's had fifty four point seven.

1382
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: So so Boston can't even do it because they're they

1383
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:35,239
would have to duck the second apron as part of it.

1384
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:38,000
And then you get into okay, you have to get

1385
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:40,320
rid of I guess like Drew Holliday or Derek White

1386
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,000
or Christops porzingis somehow to lower your Sam House.

1387
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,239
Speaker 3: Or Sam House was the big one because his salary

1388
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,320
increases from you know, the Mint deal this year to

1389
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:49,440
ten million next year.

1390
01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:51,119
Speaker 2: So that's a substantial leap as well.

1391
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,719
Speaker 1: And how far I mean they're second. They're twenty two

1392
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,639
million dollars over twenty two million dollars into the second

1393
01:04:57,639 --> 01:05:00,519
apron last year. So that's not Sam Houser cutting it.

1394
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:02,960
It's it's more like saying guests would need to be

1395
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:04,880
like the balance being sent out.

1396
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 3: But it's a fun idea though, Like the Celtics would

1397
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,639
be fun. Like rand if memory served by twenty sixteen

1398
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,199
was pretty close signing with them.

1399
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,079
Speaker 1: They're on his list anyway of teams that he met with. Yeah, yeah,

1400
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:18,840
I don't know, Like I'm sure there are other teams

1401
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,840
I would love to get involved.

1402
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,159
Speaker 3: I have a fun one for you though, but like

1403
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,360
I don't know how to make the money work because

1404
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:27,400
that's gonna be tricky.

1405
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:32,039
Speaker 2: But like the Calves, and.

1406
01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: That's like even Jared Allen and DeAndre Hunter and then

1407
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,800
another salary. I guess at that point.

1408
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 2: Giving up Mobley quickly, like I don't.

1409
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. You're not giving up Mobile for that?

1410
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:44,159
Speaker 2: No.

1411
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,199
Speaker 3: See, that's and that's the thing, Like I'm not saying

1412
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:48,960
I necessarily would, but I'm also not saying it wouldn't

1413
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,519
be intriguing because like a lineup of Garland, Mitchell, Hunter,

1414
01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:57,559
KD and Jared Allen, are we sure that team.

1415
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 2: Couldn't win a championship in twenty twenty six?

1416
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:02,719
Speaker 1: They would be contenders? But that would be a really

1417
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,039
big to give up Mobley.

1418
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 3: Is it's basically a Luca like unless it reaches Luca

1419
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,719
for a d type of trade.

1420
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't. If I'm Cleveland, I wouldn't touch it.

1421
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:14,719
Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair.

1422
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,039
Speaker 1: What about about the Knicks?

1423
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but but who let me.

1424
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:23,199
Speaker 1: Let me they got the call anthy Town's money, or

1425
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:26,599
you could do something like Michael Bridges plus X.

1426
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:30,199
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised to bring up Bridges.

1427
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 3: Yes, if mkal Bridge is going back to Phoenix, just

1428
01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:36,000
like Get Back.

1429
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,599
Speaker 1: Vibe, that keep maybe that keeps Devin Booker in Phoenix too.

1430
01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, his buddy bit coming back?

1431
01:06:42,119 --> 01:06:45,039
Speaker 3: Uh No, that would be interesting, again, for a lot

1432
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,119
of teams, I would do this that that's a good

1433
01:06:47,239 --> 01:06:50,039
shout of a team that's you know, in a win

1434
01:06:50,159 --> 01:06:53,760
now scenario where they could move off some contracts. Uh,

1435
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:56,679
would it be Oceananobi instead?

1436
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 2: Perhaps? Not sure?

1437
01:06:58,239 --> 01:07:00,239
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't think the Knicks. If you're I think

1438
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:02,960
a British around and nob given what your defense is already,

1439
01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:05,000
and then Mitchell Robinson might be. But if, like if

1440
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,239
Towns isn't going out, then Mitchell Robinson probably is. I

1441
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,000
don't think that. I don't know what the resulting product

1442
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:12,760
ends up being that would be. That'd be like a

1443
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,519
weird pivot by them.

1444
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, the Pacers, but like, are they giving

1445
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:21,679
up Sia come here?

1446
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:24,719
Speaker 1: Plus be a very Unpacers like move.

1447
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 3: It would That's why I'm you know, because this league

1448
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,559
has a tendency to just what about Toronto?

1449
01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:33,239
Speaker 1: They got that brandon Ingram salary now floating on that book.

1450
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:38,719
Speaker 2: So that'd actually be fun. That would actually be fun.

1451
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:43,559
That would make way more sense, like himself.

1452
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: With Brandon Ingram and Yaka Pearl that they make more

1453
01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:48,239
than Kevin Durant next year, right because branding is almost

1454
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,599
have forty, So you would almost need to not use

1455
01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:53,920
yaka pearls money. You have to maybe find someone cheaper

1456
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,320
if you're just trying to do it straight up.

1457
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 3: So what you're saying is a you know, assigned and

1458
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:00,559
traded Increase Bouchet.

1459
01:08:01,519 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, he's untouchable.

1460
01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:03,639
Speaker 2: I had a feeling.

1461
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,639
Speaker 3: I had a feeling, Uh that could work.

1462
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,559
Speaker 1: Memphis wouldn't do it right, Like they're just so cost

1463
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:12,440
conscious they're not gonna and they would have to send

1464
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,480
out like they were trading Desmond Bane. It would probably

1465
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,680
take like ninety contracts because all their contracts are middle

1466
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:19,520
wrong or lower.

1467
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 3: But they wanted him, that was reported, So like, I

1468
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,159
don't think we should rule out Memphis.

1469
01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: Memphis would absolutely be in it.

1470
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,520
Speaker 1: The money on that would be, would you trade Desmond

1471
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,880
Bane for Kevin Durant?

1472
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 3: Like, are we assuming that the season Desmond Bane is

1473
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,479
having right now is going to be the new norm?

1474
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,279
Because if so, yeah, that's not been a you know,

1475
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:42,479
that's not been a regular Desmond Bain season.

1476
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he wouldn't. You would have to move

1477
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:48,079
him because I'm just looking at like all the money,

1478
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:51,119
you're not gonna move Jaron Jackson Junior at this point,

1479
01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:56,159
and he's probably gonna extend so brand or Desmond Bane

1480
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:57,880
is like the primary money going out.

1481
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 3: Are we okay, I'm just gonna say it. Are we

1482
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,560
sure that ja Moran is completely off limits for the

1483
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,359
Memphis Grizzlies nowadays?

1484
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 1: Did we didn't? Was it? Did Climbing come out and

1485
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,800
say that he was after the exact speculated and how

1486
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:13,880
I think?

1487
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 3: Which is which is what a good GM should do

1488
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,079
instead of shipping him off to the Lakers.

1489
01:09:18,119 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: Well, I think that you could also just say nothing

1490
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,000
so that people don't go cite that interview. If you

1491
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:25,039
then do trade true.

1492
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:27,079
Speaker 2: True, what do we do?

1493
01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:30,079
Speaker 3: We do we think that Jaw has the same connection

1494
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:33,479
with the Memphis fan base as Luca does with with Dallas.

1495
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 2: For example, like I.

1496
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: Would say, I would say, do I think Memphis, Well,

1497
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,640
the Mavericks fans would have been outraged if you traded

1498
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,039
Luca for Durant. I think Memphis fans would be pretty bummed.

1499
01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:52,359
If I think Jaron Jackson Junior is a like kind

1500
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:55,319
of tracking towards maybe the most important player in that building,

1501
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:59,279
but Jaws like electric and Grizzlies fans do and should

1502
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,239
love him, that would be one where they react. I

1503
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:04,199
would be fascinated by the reaction.

1504
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 3: Me too, and the return frankly, because I just don't

1505
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,520
know that. For me, it's just one thing is off

1506
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,880
the court stuff that's not that doesn't really like it's

1507
01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:15,760
part of it.

1508
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: Unless yeah, they're being effectively buried. Again, we haven't heard

1509
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,199
anything like, correct.

1510
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:25,560
Speaker 3: But the second thing is the injuries. Like I think

1511
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,319
we've reached that point where we can no longer ignore

1512
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,960
the fact that he's never cracked seventy games played in

1513
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,880
the season, like he's cracked sixty five once.

1514
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 2: That's where we are.

1515
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:42,159
Speaker 1: How about the pandemic shortened seasons factor into that at all?

1516
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, they probably do, But like you lately, you know,

1517
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,000
we can't like the twenty twenty two twenty twenty three

1518
01:10:48,039 --> 01:10:50,479
season when it was sixty one games and that was

1519
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:51,920
that the suspension year.

1520
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:55,399
Speaker 1: No, because he was suspended for twenty five that year.

1521
01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:58,239
That was last year. Was the suspension year. We played

1522
01:10:58,239 --> 01:10:59,000
in nine games.

1523
01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:02,119
Speaker 2: That was last year. Okay, So I mean.

1524
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:04,199
Speaker 1: He played in oh because I was a seventy So

1525
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:06,840
the seventy two seasons were nineteen oh, yeah, you're right.

1526
01:11:07,279 --> 01:11:09,279
It was funny. Those were the seasons where he actually

1527
01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:12,880
he missed single digit games his first three years in

1528
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,279
the league, because he missed five in twenty and then

1529
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:19,279
he missed nine in twenty twenty one. So yeah, it's

1530
01:11:19,319 --> 01:11:22,479
been the absences of kind of been like racked up

1531
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,039
in the intervening years.

1532
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,119
Speaker 3: We're looking at a player who is six years since

1533
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:32,239
his career and has yet to crack three hundred played games.

1534
01:11:33,079 --> 01:11:36,399
Speaker 1: Is that? But like you're so you're talking about if

1535
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,319
let's just say they flame out in the playoffs or something,

1536
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:40,640
you're looking at trading. I don't know.

1537
01:11:41,039 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 2: No, I'm not.

1538
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm looking at like aggressively shopping John Moraine.

1539
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:50,039
What I'm saying is I'm not a post taking calls.

1540
01:11:51,159 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: I guess there. I think it the Luca trade proves anything,

1541
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,000
is that there's probably two on charge. I would have

1542
01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:59,319
argued there's maybe five, and that Luca was one of them.

1543
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:01,279
So what do I know. I think the issue with

1544
01:12:01,319 --> 01:12:03,039
John Morant, though, is that if you when you put

1545
01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:06,479
Luca on the open market, you were able to get

1546
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,600
one of the fifteen best players in the NBA in return,

1547
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,479
in addition to other stuff that's not gonna happen with

1548
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,439
John Morant, you would definitely be taking You're either doing

1549
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,359
one of two things. You're trading John Morant and it's

1550
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:20,720
a package that's built around prospects and picks and maybe

1551
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,239
some inferior like role players or fringe stars. Or you're

1552
01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:29,279
attaching stuff to John Morant to try and upgrade from Giant.

1553
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,720
It'd be like the Lakers side of the end of

1554
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,600
the Luka Dants trade almost so, and I don't know

1555
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,239
what I'm not doing that for Kevin Durant.

1556
01:12:37,279 --> 01:12:39,199
Speaker 2: I can tell you that, Yeah, that's fair.

1557
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,359
Speaker 1: Would you, like, what is the player that would have

1558
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:43,960
to be come available for you to as Memphis to

1559
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,159
even think about that, Like, the list has to be pretty.

1560
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 3: Low, so so small because if you're trying to upgrade

1561
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:50,880
at a specific sc.

1562
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: So you call the Lakers and see, like what's going

1563
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:53,520
on with Luca?

1564
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 2: Like about to say Luca is the one name, right,

1565
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,760
Like Luca is the one name that makes sense.

1566
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,520
Speaker 1: If you really wanted to go that route and thought like, okay,

1567
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,039
we could approximate primary. That's the other thing though, is

1568
01:13:07,079 --> 01:13:10,119
like not that this Luca wasn't this to the MAVs,

1569
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:13,399
but like Desmond Bain's gotten better as a playmaker, Jared

1570
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,640
Jackson Junior as a self starter, they have some reserve

1571
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:19,079
ballhanders like John Moran is the driving like as the

1572
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:21,840
ballhandler is the driving force of that offense. And even

1573
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,119
if you go from John Moran to Giannis as an example,

1574
01:13:24,399 --> 01:13:27,399
who's your primary playmaker? Then it creates like some oddities.

1575
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 3: Right, So here's the last one. It's not gonna be

1576
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,079
serialized whatsoever. I just wanted to bring it up, like

1577
01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:40,319
if Embiid wasn't a complete unknown at this point, like

1578
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:45,479
at least there would be something interesting about a potential.

1579
01:13:46,359 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: You know, KD Embiid swap.

1580
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:52,119
Speaker 3: Like obviously, I'm just realizing right now Phoenix can't do

1581
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:55,279
it because it'll be discerning more money. But like the

1582
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,840
whole Center situation, there, at least there would be some

1583
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,479
sort of a comedy involved here that that it's a

1584
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,079
bead because it solves the Center thing at least when

1585
01:14:05,079 --> 01:14:12,600
he's healthy, like beel Booker Embiid, I sort of see

1586
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,600
like the slither of a vision there, but like who's

1587
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,279
healthy on that team? I don't know, and I don't

1588
01:14:19,319 --> 01:14:22,199
think he has that trade value whatsoever.

1589
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:24,399
Speaker 1: No, that's what makes the MBAT situation so tough and

1590
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,640
a bummer for the obviously who's the what because I

1591
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,600
think we've gone through all like the obvious, with the

1592
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,159
exception of your naming name checking Sacramento. What's the like

1593
01:14:33,319 --> 01:14:35,520
left team that comes out of left field that you

1594
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:41,119
could see Helikins would Scion? Oh, okay, Toronto would kind of.

1595
01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:42,720
I don't know if they would count left field anymore.

1596
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,319
Like that's right up, Messi's alley.

1597
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, brought them up. They could be a

1598
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:48,520
fun team.

1599
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: What about based off how a lot of this season

1600
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,199
has gone. They have some contracts that can make it work,

1601
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,520
and they would be a team that you have like

1602
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:01,720
some young players, some picks Portland. If you get off

1603
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,840
the Jeremy Grant deal or the the eight in contract,

1604
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,760
that'd be even funnier or both, like you want but like.

1605
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 2: To one end, what does his team do?

1606
01:15:12,119 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant plus Scoot plus Donovan cling In plus Tamani Kamar,

1607
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,079
Like that's that's what we're penciling in, Like because you

1608
01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:20,880
can't say Denny Abio is untouchable in that. You maybe

1609
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:22,479
Sharp's untouchable in that.

1610
01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 3: But like, but remember the first quote from Kadi, I

1611
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,960
want to end my career on my own terms.

1612
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,399
Speaker 1: Oh what could be more of your own terms than

1613
01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:34,520
co signing the move to Portland. That could have been

1614
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:35,399
once upon a time.

1615
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:43,359
Speaker 3: I mean, be sure, I'm not seeing it, but that's

1616
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,000
fair important. See that was the team on left field.

1617
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:49,000
I can't even wrap my head around how that would work.

1618
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: I can't like maybe Atlanta, like would they just be

1619
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,479
they have some concience like all right, we're gonna move

1620
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,079
over with KD, Trey Young and Jalen Johnson.

1621
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:03,079
Speaker 3: Oh there again Atlanta, Atlanta could be Yeah, Jen, do

1622
01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:04,520
you give up Jalen Johnson?

1623
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: Though I'm actually looking at the money right now because

1624
01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:12,039
Capella's coming off the books. They have some like who

1625
01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:15,239
are there? And DeAndre Hunter's salary's gone, karais la Vertz

1626
01:16:15,279 --> 01:16:17,880
coming off the books. So yeah, the money. If you're

1627
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,239
not gonna trade Trey, your second highest paid player on

1628
01:16:21,239 --> 01:16:24,439
the books for next season is Terrence Mann at fifteen

1629
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,520
and a half, well, aside from Johnson. Yeah, I mean

1630
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,560
you could get there without it, just because they're gonna

1631
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,520
have flexibility underneath the luxury tax. So it would be

1632
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,079
like a Kung Wu would you rather give up? It

1633
01:16:35,119 --> 01:16:37,760
would have to be would you rather give up Jalen Johnson?

1634
01:16:38,079 --> 01:16:40,560
Or I think I'd rather give up. All right, let's

1635
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,600
step ladder with a kung Wu and Terrence Man and

1636
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:48,279
other stuff. Are you giving up? Resa Shay? His money

1637
01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:50,239
can end up being important just because he's on the books,

1638
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:51,039
like ten millions.

1639
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:52,239
Speaker 2: I am.

1640
01:16:52,359 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 3: I likehip, however, that's just that's.

1641
01:16:56,039 --> 01:16:57,640
Speaker 1: So it would be recis ship. Let's say if it

1642
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,680
was man Rea sche in a kung Wu in Durant.

1643
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do that if I'm in Atlanta, because I

1644
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,520
know that the Spurs still have my picks and swap

1645
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,840
options and whatnot. So yeah, I'm saying screw it, I'm

1646
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:09,319
you got that.

1647
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: You got to get a big man in there, that's

1648
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,880
for sure ually time Papella At that point, what about

1649
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:16,319
what about Denver?

1650
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 3: If the MPJ and Aaron Gordon is out going, that's

1651
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,239
sixty over sixty million over sixty one million out going,

1652
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:26,920
So like it would have to be one of those

1653
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,439
situations where.

1654
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: Third and fourth teams are involved.

1655
01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, going to be in the second.

1656
01:17:31,319 --> 01:17:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, well okay, Zeke Nagy's probably got some trade value

1657
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:35,239
right now, right.

1658
01:17:39,159 --> 01:17:42,279
Speaker 2: You better hope. So if you're Denver, yeah, yeah.

1659
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't. Would you give just as an exercise, are

1660
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,159
you giving up MPJ and Aaron Gordon for Kevin Durant.

1661
01:17:47,239 --> 01:17:49,159
I don't think I could do it if I'm Denver.

1662
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:51,560
Speaker 3: It's it's not going to be like an easy yes

1663
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,800
for me at all. But like the upside of like

1664
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:01,479
a Murray kd Jokic Priebury trio, that is very, very

1665
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,000
intriguing to me. Also because I do think that Christian Brown,

1666
01:18:04,079 --> 01:18:07,239
Christian Brown is good. I really like watching him play

1667
01:18:07,279 --> 01:18:09,000
this year. I think he's smart.

1668
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 2: Julius saw thing is gonna come on.

1669
01:18:11,159 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could build a package just around MPJ because

1670
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,279
he's a thirty eight million You could. That's something you consider.

1671
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,640
But here's the I think probably more interesting one for

1672
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,600
well maybe not for Phoenix, Like would you give up

1673
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,680
Jamal Murray for Kevin Durant?

1674
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: So Jamal is starting to show his worth again.

1675
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,359
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's starting. It's been like

1676
01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:35,359
what two and a half months.

1677
01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think he's.

1678
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's leveled up a little

1679
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,560
bit more over the past couple of weeks.

1680
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 2: I think we've seen like more stability from him.

1681
01:18:44,279 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: But you have to weigh that against four years and

1682
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,439
two hundred and eight million dollars.

1683
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 3: Or whatever it is, and that's where I'm I'm worried.

1684
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,239
Speaker 1: Right, So are we predicting his demise within the next

1685
01:18:56,279 --> 01:18:59,279
basketball demise within five years more that we're doing.

1686
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 2: I'm not predicting his demise.

1687
01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 3: I am predicting that there is a risk of a demise,

1688
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,520
and that risk alone is concerning. But like, this is

1689
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,680
where it gets messed up, right, because the Durant thing.

1690
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,560
You keep having it in the back of your mind

1691
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:20,079
that he's thirty six, right, Like you know that you're

1692
01:19:20,119 --> 01:19:23,119
not gonna get a long runway here. It's you've got

1693
01:19:23,119 --> 01:19:24,319
to take off immediately.

1694
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: Do you think the kron Keys that would be part

1695
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,319
of the appeal for them though the money they're gonna

1696
01:19:30,319 --> 01:19:33,239
have to let's just say objectively, Jamal Murray over the

1697
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:35,800
next four years is going to cost you more than

1698
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,159
Kevin Durant and doesn't make it easier, like viewed through

1699
01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:42,600
that prism of well we gotta pay Brown, maybe Watson.

1700
01:19:43,159 --> 01:19:45,000
I mean this is assuming like what else needs to

1701
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,720
be thrown into any Jamal Murray plus salary, But like

1702
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,760
Jamal Murray is ignology to get you very close to

1703
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,920
get Kevin Durant. Like money wise, I think so if

1704
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,079
like that's the cost. I think you probably have to

1705
01:19:56,079 --> 01:20:00,840
have a conversation about it. But but I do think

1706
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,000
the synergy between Murray and Jokic specifically, like Durant is

1707
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,720
not gonna be playing off Yokich the way that Murray

1708
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,760
plays off Jokic. You could say that Christian Brown replaces

1709
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,720
some of that you know who also replaces some of

1710
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,239
that Russell Westbrook. But I don't know if Durant and

1711
01:20:13,239 --> 01:20:15,479
Westbrook want to play together again, that'd be might be

1712
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:16,239
another part of this.

1713
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,039
Speaker 3: No, But see, the thing is Russ is only on

1714
01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:21,479
the hook if he picks up his player option by

1715
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,880
the way, at three and a half, give those things

1716
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:28,159
out like candy, Yeah, right exactly, So that's not a problem. Uh,

1717
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,560
Like you they can trade him, or if he knows

1718
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,319
that KD is coming, you know, he might get a

1719
01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:36,960
little word in advance that those things are happening, so

1720
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,399
he can decline that option whatever. Uh. But but like

1721
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,199
that's a good that's a good. Like mindset that we

1722
01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:46,159
have to consider ownership angles in this because if this

1723
01:20:46,279 --> 01:20:51,039
could end up just saving them a ton of money, yeah,

1724
01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:52,399
that should absolutely be in play.

1725
01:20:53,159 --> 01:20:56,159
Speaker 1: I just don't do you think, man, I don't. Would

1726
01:20:56,199 --> 01:21:02,680
you rather have Jokic, Durant and and Aaron Gordon or

1727
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:11,079
Yo Kicic, Durant, Gordon, Jamal Murray As you're four basically

1728
01:21:11,119 --> 01:21:12,720
summing out Murray and MPG.

1729
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,199
Speaker 3: And yeah, okay, yeah no no, then then I'd rather

1730
01:21:15,279 --> 01:21:17,960
have you know, Jo Kich, Murray, kd Gordon.

1731
01:21:18,039 --> 01:21:20,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm with you because Durant doesn't have

1732
01:21:20,199 --> 01:21:23,560
the I don't know, man, No, I'm like, I'm overthinking.

1733
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,079
So I'm just I don't know the way Michael Porter

1734
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:26,960
Junior has been playing when he gets going downhill, but

1735
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,800
his replacing his three point volume would be Durant's a

1736
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,279
very talented shooter, but we've just never seen him prop

1737
01:21:32,399 --> 01:21:34,720
up the type of three point volume that you necessarily

1738
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,199
want him to have it. But Murray could replace some

1739
01:21:37,279 --> 01:21:38,119
of that too, So.

1740
01:21:39,159 --> 01:21:42,399
Speaker 3: You kd ever played with a guy who's asked good

1741
01:21:42,399 --> 01:21:43,119
a playmakers.

1742
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: I mean, Jokic is, like, what, one of the five

1743
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,239
best passers in NBA history, So what kind of a

1744
01:21:47,279 --> 01:21:47,920
question is that?

1745
01:21:48,359 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 2: Right? Exactly? So I'm saying, maybe there are a lot

1746
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:52,479
more open threes in the future.

1747
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: There not only might play offense necessarily, there might be

1748
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,800
a lot of more like duck into the rim for him,

1749
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:00,640
I mean.

1750
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:01,279
Speaker 2: KD is KD.

1751
01:22:01,359 --> 01:22:03,359
Speaker 3: He's going to dictate some terms as well. I think

1752
01:22:03,399 --> 01:22:06,520
for him, like like, I agree with you that he's

1753
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,279
been overall a reluctant three point shooter, but he's never

1754
01:22:09,279 --> 01:22:11,600
a guy to turn him down though, Like, that's that's

1755
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,359
the one thing I will give him when he's open.

1756
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: He's taking that bad.

1757
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: Boy, I think, Yeah, I don't. I do wonder if

1758
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:22,800
you gave the Nuggets front office truths erm if they

1759
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,960
would prefer to give up Murray or Porter Junior, if

1760
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,920
it was a Kevin Muran trade.

1761
01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting.

1762
01:22:29,039 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 3: And I'm also just curious between the Yo Kic KD fit.

1763
01:22:35,159 --> 01:22:36,520
Speaker 2: There's something intriguing about that.

1764
01:22:37,359 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the Yo kicch plus whoever fit is

1765
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:40,760
super increasing.

1766
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:43,560
Speaker 3: You can say that about you're actually but you're right

1767
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,239
about something though, because I just looked up Kat's career

1768
01:22:46,319 --> 01:22:49,359
high in three point field goal attempts in a game.

1769
01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:52,720
It's it's fifteen. Like we have guys who are averaging

1770
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:53,439
like thirteen.

1771
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're ruined in the game though Kat's trying to

1772
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:57,119
save it.

1773
01:22:57,319 --> 01:22:58,199
Speaker 2: That's k.

1774
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: I want him to just be like it'd be really

1775
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,399
funny if he was just like wanted to, like I

1776
01:23:04,399 --> 01:23:06,600
want to go to Detroit, Like, let me play next

1777
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,119
to Asar Thompson, Let's go do this.

1778
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Or.

1779
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be the I'm gonna be the guy who

1780
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,039
steps out of Michael Jordan's shadow in Chicago.

1781
01:23:17,399 --> 01:23:21,239
Speaker 1: Oh god, he will ruin his legacy if he actively

1782
01:23:21,279 --> 01:23:21,840
chooses to go.

1783
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 2: Oh oh absolutely.

1784
01:23:24,279 --> 01:23:26,399
Speaker 1: You know team we haven't mentioned, and they come up

1785
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:30,399
in every single trade discussion for a superstar. The Lakers

1786
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,199
still have their twenty thirty one first round pick. If

1787
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:34,399
he wants to go to the Lakers and play with

1788
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,079
Luca and Lebron, I think it takes like they could

1789
01:23:37,079 --> 01:23:41,199
basically like everybody and they would have Apron concerns, so

1790
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:43,760
you would have to send out specific salaries, but they

1791
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,439
could make them. If he says I want to go

1792
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:49,680
to the Lakers, that'd be really funny. I don't think.

1793
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,680
I don't know what that team would be because you're

1794
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,560
not like you're exacerbating a lot of your you know,

1795
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,640
you have to send Vando out in that you're losing

1796
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,239
a big yeah time bigs off the scrap heap. Then

1797
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,479
I guess, but they could still, in fury send out

1798
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,119
a swap a pick and money to make it work.

1799
01:24:06,119 --> 01:24:08,960
And like Austin Reeves has real value at this point, I'm.

1800
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:10,159
Speaker 2: Sure he does. He does.

1801
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: We're near what I would deem the best package. But

1802
01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:16,479
if that's the team that KD sort of lasers in on,

1803
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:17,199
I'd be interested.

1804
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,520
Speaker 3: And there is speculation that the Lakers might trade Austin

1805
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:24,079
Reeves because he is on that very you know, insanely

1806
01:24:24,119 --> 01:24:28,319
good value contract and they could possibly get a ton

1807
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,119
for him, which I don't know if I would go

1808
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:33,640
that route if I'm at LA, but like I understand

1809
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,359
just trying to figure out what exactly is his trade value.

1810
01:24:37,119 --> 01:24:37,279
Speaker 2: Like.

1811
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I wonder is he more or

1812
01:24:41,279 --> 01:24:43,479
less valuable to the Lakers with Luca there.

1813
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think people for a long time

1814
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,600
had him pegged as just a shooter, and now, you know,

1815
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,640
fortunately people are waking up to the fact that that's

1816
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,560
not who he is. It's more of a pick and

1817
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,680
roll guy, more of a creator. So yeah, I do

1818
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:03,640
think areas of world where it might prove beneficial for

1819
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,039
the Lakers to like just fill out a different hole

1820
01:25:07,079 --> 01:25:09,119
on the roster by using that contract.

1821
01:25:09,399 --> 01:25:11,159
Speaker 1: Oh, and now I was just gonna go the opposite

1822
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:14,760
way of saying, with Lebron being where he is right now,

1823
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,880
you don't need any more primary ball handlers, but soon

1824
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,359
you might. You don't have anyone else in the pipeline

1825
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:23,319
aside from Austin Reeves who kind of fits that.

1826
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 2: Bill.

1827
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,039
Speaker 3: Oh that's fair. Yeah, that's a different way of looking

1828
01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:28,960
at it. I could see that. I mean, we keep

1829
01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:31,680
forgetting that Lebron is Ford. How does Lebron feel like

1830
01:25:32,039 --> 01:25:34,960
he's younger than Kat? We're sitting there talking about Kat

1831
01:25:35,039 --> 01:25:37,359
at thirty six, like, oh, the end is sneer, and

1832
01:25:37,359 --> 01:25:39,119
then we were just kind of like, oh, yeah, he

1833
01:25:39,119 --> 01:25:41,000
can go play with Lebron, who's forty, and we don't

1834
01:25:41,039 --> 01:25:42,399
even mention that age.

1835
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 1: That's Lebron is just I mean, Kevin Durant's the longevity

1836
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,800
of the get like the like the impact of Kevin Durant, Lebron, James,

1837
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,880
and I also throw Steph Curry into here. I think

1838
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,880
that we do a good job of propping those guys up,

1839
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,239
but I still don't think we fully appreciate what's happening

1840
01:25:59,239 --> 01:26:02,039
with those three. Look at the level at which they're playing.

1841
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,319
Speaker 2: Yep. Hell, I mean Look, I'm a big hard and skeptic.

1842
01:26:05,399 --> 01:26:08,039
Speaker 3: I'll even throw him in there, like he's still like, yeah,

1843
01:26:08,079 --> 01:26:10,399
he his age just showing a little bit more this

1844
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,199
year in particular, especially just in terms of like gaining

1845
01:26:13,239 --> 01:26:17,199
separation from defenders and whatnot. But like he's still a

1846
01:26:17,359 --> 01:26:19,800
very productive player. And he's also thirty five.

1847
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,039
Speaker 1: Like he also liked the party in his twenties and

1848
01:26:22,079 --> 01:26:23,840
in his thirties and in his mid thirties too.

1849
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,359
Speaker 2: It's a and who does have a bit of a

1850
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:27,800
midsection occasionally.

1851
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,239
Speaker 1: But his there was I guess a point in when

1852
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:31,840
he was trying to get out of Houston on purpose.

1853
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,199
He was never someone that wasn't considered a worker though

1854
01:26:35,279 --> 01:26:37,760
right it was always his He didn't recognize when his

1855
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,560
body could no longer handle the late nights. So it

1856
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,720
feels like the criticism from Luca is a little bit different.

1857
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,000
But he is kind of proof that you could work

1858
01:26:46,039 --> 01:26:48,159
hard and then party harder, I guess or something. I

1859
01:26:48,199 --> 01:26:49,560
don't know, however you want to phrase it.

1860
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 3: Look, also, can we just acknowledge that the Luca experience

1861
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:58,359
of him partying hard after working hard, that's like something

1862
01:26:58,399 --> 01:27:01,039
we can all identify with a lot. He's seriously, Like

1863
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:04,479
I don't identify with Lebron because he's he's putting up

1864
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:06,560
a million and a half bucks per year to like

1865
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preserve his body. He's waking up at four in the

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morning to go work out, Like, dude, I can't relate

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to that.

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Speaker 2: I can relate to Luca.

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Speaker 1: Right, And it's I mean, Lebron is Also there's just

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players who are different. We're like one. Social media was

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not like as prevalent when Lebron was Luca's agent, so

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we don't know what Lebron's diet and off court habits

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were as well as we might know Luca's at this point,

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and it just felt like players were still just like

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Michael Jordan was covered differently than Lebron was covered, like

1876
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when you're skipping those generations, and so there's also just

1877
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,439
you're always gonna have the sickos in the sense of Okay,

1878
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,760
Lebron came in as a teenager and maybe he just

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got it when it came to body maintenance and whatever

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I mean, Like, but also he's gifted genetically too, like

1881
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he might not. Luca may need to be more cognizant

1882
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of his sort of physiology than Lebron. Ever, need. That's

1883
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not saying Lebron. Lebron's one of the hardest workers in

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NBA history. I'm sure I'm not trying to poo poo

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Lebron's work ethic. I just you don't want to draw

1886
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,800
those comps to it. But I do wonder, like I

1887
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think you could say this about any past errors, like

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even more Lebron's what you considered a contemporary star. But

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I do think the way that the league was covered

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and that players were put under a microscope like it was,

1891
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it was different when he was twenty five versus when

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he's forty at Lucas twenty five.

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a good one everyone,