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<v Speaker 1>This is an Unspoiled Network podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>This is spoil Me covering Dungeon Crawler Carl Book five,

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<v Speaker 2>The Butcher's Masquerade, chapters forty six through fifty. In these chapters,

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<v Speaker 2>I read this section last week before. I remembered that

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<v Speaker 2>I was not recording because I had Thanksgiving week off,

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<v Speaker 2>And then when it was time to reread, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember what happened this section, And then I

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<v Speaker 2>started listening and I was like, oh, right, oh, I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't want to listen to this again.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to spoil Me. Welcome to the show everyone. I

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<v Speaker 2>am Natasha. Thank you very much to Jackie for commissioning

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<v Speaker 2>this episode. Jackie, if you're out there, was up. Yeah, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>this is just such a sad section. There are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there are things that are lovely, of course also in

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<v Speaker 2>this section, but man, I was just not ready for

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<v Speaker 2>how sad and how mixed my feelings about a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this we're going to be as well. That's part

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<v Speaker 2>of what's so difficult is this feeling of like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how I feel, you know, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that in terms of I am unequivocally saddened by

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<v Speaker 2>Miriam's death, but more what I mean is just the

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<v Speaker 2>whole way that like Carl handles things is a really

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<v Speaker 2>I could see it being something that's like kind of divisive,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd be interested to hear what you all think,

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<v Speaker 2>because I would really understand it if somebody were disgusted

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<v Speaker 2>with the fact that he uses the ring of eternal

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<v Speaker 2>suffering or whatever it is, divine suffering. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if a person were sort of that's really gross, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>why would you do that? I would get it. I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't even really be mad about it. But there I

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<v Speaker 2>do have. I must confess such a practical streak to

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<v Speaker 2>me that in large part the only reaction that I

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<v Speaker 2>had was much more how everyone else was going to

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<v Speaker 2>feel about it, and I personally was okay and fine

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<v Speaker 2>with it. It just seemed to me kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>smart move.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't something that like I could understand the reaction,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel like, why wouldn't you if you thought

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<v Speaker 2>of it? It's just a good opportunity. And I really

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<v Speaker 2>don't even think that Miriam would mind if she knew

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<v Speaker 2>that he was doing that. I think that she would

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<v Speaker 2>have been like, yeah, that makes sense. That's fine, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe she would be

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<v Speaker 2>like Carl really, but personally I am somebody who can

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't want to say that I can be

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<v Speaker 2>cold blooded because that makes it sound like I have

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<v Speaker 2>no empathy. But it's more like I will be so

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<v Speaker 2>focused on, like the practicality and deficiency of something, that

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't occur to me the implications of it in

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<v Speaker 2>someone else's eyes until it's actually brought to my attention

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<v Speaker 2>very explicitly, and then I'll get it, but it won't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oftentimes I'll just be like, well, why wouldn't you though,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm very much a sort of person that would

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<v Speaker 2>feel this way about someone doing this to me. Like

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<v Speaker 2>if I were about to die and I was able

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<v Speaker 2>to sense that Carl had marked me, I think I

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<v Speaker 2>would be like, good, call smart. I know I'm dying.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that it's like about to all be over.

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<v Speaker 2>Get something out of it, make use of me, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just be kind of I don't know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of how I roll, and uh yeah, just

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<v Speaker 2>really on the fence about it. It's just in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the impression that it gives everyone else that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're dealing if it's not like a purely personal situation,

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<v Speaker 2>do what you need to do. But Carl is in

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<v Speaker 2>this weird place where the opinions of the public really

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<v Speaker 2>matter to his overall reputation and well being, and thus

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like he can just go who cares what

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<v Speaker 2>people think? He cares? He has to care what people

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<v Speaker 2>think his like, A lot of his sponsorship and the

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<v Speaker 2>support that he gets is based on whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>folks like him or at the very least believe in

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<v Speaker 2>him as like a player to be reckoned with. So

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<v Speaker 2>the image of using her this way is something that

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be considered. I would hope that people would understand,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that considering the way we've heard the

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<v Speaker 2>public talk talked about they do. I think that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people would get why he's doing this and

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<v Speaker 2>they would call this a smart move also, but not everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you know, not everybody. So ah, just an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting question, Michael says, Miriam don Dom and Prepotente honestly

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<v Speaker 2>sound like the most effective team out there until they

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<v Speaker 2>got screwed by the vampire thing. I wish we got

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<v Speaker 2>more of Miriam Dom. She wanted Carl to kill her,

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<v Speaker 2>so she definitely would have been cool with him marking her, right, Yeah, agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised that because she was already marked by Prepotente,

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<v Speaker 2>that there wasn't some kind of like rebound effect due

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<v Speaker 2>to that. I was sort of thinking that maybe when

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<v Speaker 2>Carl went to mark her, it would give him a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of notification and he would be like, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that is apparently not a problem. So you

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<v Speaker 2>know that's interesting. But yeah, I just I this whole

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<v Speaker 2>situation with the two of them is just so sad

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<v Speaker 2>guys like.

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<v Speaker 1>It.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you're right, Michael, first of all, about

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I would like more of them. I

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<v Speaker 2>kept being surprised at how virulently repelled by them Carl

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be every time we like encountered them in

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<v Speaker 2>the wild. I was sort of expecting it to be

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more friendly, and it's not like they

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<v Speaker 2>were ever enemies really, but Carl was always sort of

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get the fuck away from these people

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as I can, you know. I was sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like really enjoying their weird dynamic. It was almost,

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<v Speaker 2>what if we took Carl and Donuts relationship and dialed

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<v Speaker 2>it up to like an unhealthy sort of codependent level,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is a very interesting concept. But uh yeah, personally,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just disappointed that, like we didn't actually get to

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<v Speaker 2>see their skills set at work, because it seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>it could have been really interesting to watch. But yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm gonna back up again here now and start

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<v Speaker 2>from the beginning. But I decided to launch right into

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<v Speaker 2>my question about this because it's, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the key stone event in this group of chapters. So

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<v Speaker 2>we start with forty six, where Donut has had to

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<v Speaker 2>collect a bunch of blood from Mango in order to

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<v Speaker 2>make this charm animal potion, and it was very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to me where I like, I just understand on one hand,

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<v Speaker 2>where Donah is coming from with feeling really guilty about

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<v Speaker 2>having to drain blood from him and heal him and

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<v Speaker 2>do this over and over, and also agreeing with her

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<v Speaker 2>at the fact that a leader is a lot. She

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<v Speaker 2>is not wrong, a leader is a lot. So he

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<v Speaker 2>says something like she said for the hundredth time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, because she's right, Carl, because it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop it, you know, like shut up. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>what they are going to use this for is so

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<v Speaker 2>useful that and it turns out to be so effective

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<v Speaker 2>also that I was sort of like, all right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>time to just like suck it up, Dona and understand

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<v Speaker 2>that this is like crucial and you're lucky to have

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<v Speaker 2>access to his blood at all so that you can

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<v Speaker 2>do this. You know, God knows what they would have

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<v Speaker 2>done if it had been a different animal that they

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<v Speaker 2>wound up with and not a mongoliensis, which happens to

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<v Speaker 2>be exactly what they needed. So they are going to

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<v Speaker 2>make this potion, and Miriam is contacting Carl and being like, hey, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know I keep asking, but like, are you coming

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<v Speaker 2>seriously are you? Because I'm like, I'm sorry to forget

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. And they're having trouble locating her, and

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<v Speaker 2>she is sending up sparks to like try and give

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<v Speaker 2>them a direction, and they are so far away that

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<v Speaker 2>even when she does that, they can't see her. And

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<v Speaker 2>finally they start they get to a point where they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh wait, I think I see and then they get

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<v Speaker 2>attacked and it is the minion of a character who

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<v Speaker 2>had been an elite that was killed by Miriam and prepotente.

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<v Speaker 2>Viscount Fog was his name, and you know, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>vibe of him is basically Van Helsing. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>vampire hunter. He apparently got word of the existence of

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<v Speaker 2>miriam Dom and as soon as he knew that she

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<v Speaker 2>was out there, was like, bet I'm going to ruin

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<v Speaker 2>her entire day and made it a mission to go

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<v Speaker 2>after her specifically. It sucks, you know, like it just

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<v Speaker 2>it really does. It sucks. And so I guess that

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<v Speaker 2>like the people who you know made this elite, they

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<v Speaker 2>just they had it out for Miriam just on principle

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<v Speaker 2>of it being a good thing for their personal story

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<v Speaker 2>that they were writing, which I know that this is

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<v Speaker 2>something that is sort of an accepted thing that there

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be like ways in which these elite

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<v Speaker 2>stories sort of bleed over into what's going on with

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<v Speaker 2>the Crawl. I don't think I realized that they could

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<v Speaker 2>target a crawler in this way. It's it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't be allowed that he like zero win on

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<v Speaker 2>somebody like this, because that's programmed in. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>an accidental thing that's happening. They are making him as

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<v Speaker 2>a character find out about her, be interested in her,

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<v Speaker 2>and zero win on her. So it's just a sort

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<v Speaker 2>of crossing of a line that I just didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>we were going to be okay with. And I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>what it was like for the people who decided on

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<v Speaker 2>this as a story to turn around and have that

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<v Speaker 2>main character then be murdered by her, because I would

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<v Speaker 2>be so pissed. I would have thought I had stumbled

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<v Speaker 2>across this really great storyline and then she does this

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<v Speaker 2>and like completely takes out my main character. Oh that sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I love it. I am so delighted on

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<v Speaker 2>her behalf that she managed to pull this off like

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<v Speaker 2>bad ass. But I'm just imagining as a writer that

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<v Speaker 2>I would probably be pretty fucking irritated. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>makes me love it most of all, because they decided

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<v Speaker 2>that they were going to zero in on her like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they got what they got. Life comes at

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<v Speaker 2>you fast, you know, like fuck you sorry. Michael says, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Miriam dun was a weird goat lady to him. Carl

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<v Speaker 2>of course, is the crazy cat guy to everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny because, like, you know, she was the

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<v Speaker 2>weird goat lady on more levels though, because she has

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<v Speaker 2>like how many more eight in her inventory. She's got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, so you know, he's got the one cat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not quite on equal footing there, But I also

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<v Speaker 2>am just like but yeah, you know, uh, and then

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<v Speaker 2>just want to say that do not getting the fireball

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<v Speaker 2>spell might have been a mistake. Little things like collateral

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<v Speaker 2>damage don't seem to matter much to her. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>tells her that she should use magic missile and not

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<v Speaker 2>fireball at a certain point. And the theme in these

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<v Speaker 2>chapters especially this is a thing that happens throughout all

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<v Speaker 2>of the series, but in these chapters especially, we have

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<v Speaker 2>him on the sidelines being like, do not wait, don't

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<v Speaker 2>and then her going ahead and doing the thing while

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<v Speaker 2>he is mid sentenced trying to stop her. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is one where he had just started to say don't

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<v Speaker 2>use fire fireball in here, and she's just like what

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<v Speaker 2>use fireball? You know, like, oh my god, I was

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<v Speaker 2>ready to kill her, but uh yeah. So she burns

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<v Speaker 2>anyway they have to deal with the neighborhood boss Sierra

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<v Speaker 2>Northropy vampire, and she had been Vicount Fogg's Mount, and

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<v Speaker 2>now she has turned into a vampire, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the most, now she has become one and they take

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<v Speaker 2>her out. It's actually not as much of a fight

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<v Speaker 2>as I was expecting it to be, not to say

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<v Speaker 2>that it's nothing, but it is over faster than I

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<v Speaker 2>was expecting, which personally I was okay with. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how y'all feel about it, but you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>am oftentimes more interested in the interactions of characters than

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<v Speaker 2>I am about the you know, action packed combat aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of things. So if we cut this a little shorter

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<v Speaker 2>so that we can go have more time with miriam

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<v Speaker 2>Dom and interacting with her, that is one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>trade off that I would prefer to make, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's see. I forgot the part where he like

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<v Speaker 2>literally he basically punches it in the gut and then

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<v Speaker 2>like yanks a hole in its belly, and there comes

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<v Speaker 2>a point where it's like falling, but it gets suspended

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<v Speaker 2>and stops, but its guts keep going super gross. And

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<v Speaker 2>he has to stop Mango from eating her entrails because

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<v Speaker 2>then he would get infected himself, which would be very,

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<v Speaker 2>very inconvenient. As Dona so understatedly puts it, She's not wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So they get to Miriam and it's just a really

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<v Speaker 2>strange scene. And I love the way that this all

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<v Speaker 2>these protections against vamporism is made us as readers a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit paranoid about Miriam dom and whether she is

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<v Speaker 2>trustworthy or not. And eventually it turns out she is.

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<v Speaker 2>She is not the person that they were giving them

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<v Speaker 2>protection against.

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<v Speaker 1>But.

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<v Speaker 2>It increases the tension in the scene in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that I wouldn't have expected be possible. It's just the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing where it's a perfect balance of like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know her or well enough to say with

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<v Speaker 2>total certain she would never hurt them, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the situation that they're in at all, so it

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<v Speaker 2>could be that she would ordinarily never hurt them, but

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances put her in a position where it had to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And so it just gave a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>flavor to this whole scene where if Carl had been

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<v Speaker 2>this paranoid anyway, I wouldn't have been like annoyed with

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<v Speaker 2>him exactly, but I think I would have been a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit impatient, and instead I was fully on board.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single time he stopped donut took a moment sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like stepped back and looked at the situation. I

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<v Speaker 2>was mentally urging him to do that already, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was very relieved that it seemed he was listening to

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<v Speaker 2>my mental advice. I'm a real person to a fictional

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<v Speaker 2>character who is likely communicating with them, so so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just really was like watching this whole thing unfold,

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like oh god, oh God, oh God, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those situations where it's not just that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want Miriam to hurt them. I don't want Miriam

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<v Speaker 2>to be the person who hurts them. Does that make sense,

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<v Speaker 2>Where it's like it's a whole separate issue of them

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<v Speaker 2>actually getting hurt. It's more about the principle of not

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to believe that she would do that, or for

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<v Speaker 2>her to betray them or whatever. So the tension was

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<v Speaker 2>also just coming from that and being like, I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't want this to be their final interaction, because it

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<v Speaker 2>very much felt like this was final interaction territory. I

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<v Speaker 2>did not believe both of them were making it out

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<v Speaker 2>of this it felt, especially once he mentions that the

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<v Speaker 2>view counts are going way up and spiking in the

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<v Speaker 2>way they are. I'm definitely at that point going like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh shit, okay, okay, you know, and I was genuinely

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<v Speaker 2>worried at this point, I really was. I just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know about what. So we find out what happened is

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<v Speaker 2>she and Prepotente were going up against this Viscount Fog,

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<v Speaker 2>and Prepotente has this like particular ability, and he has

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<v Speaker 2>a ring that has a opposite day effect and it

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<v Speaker 2>causes the effect of a spell to bounce back upon

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<v Speaker 2>the caster. What they didn't realize was that Viscount Fog

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<v Speaker 2>had the same ability, and not only did he have it,

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<v Speaker 2>he had more than one as well. And every time

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<v Speaker 2>it hits, evidently it makes you more delicate and vulnerable

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<v Speaker 2>to damage. So this thing like bounced back and forth

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<v Speaker 2>between the two of them, and then it resulted in

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<v Speaker 2>Repotente becoming so damaged that he was basically like what

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<v Speaker 2>I kept imagining here was like a sand castle where

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<v Speaker 2>from afar it's looking quite solid, and yet if you

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<v Speaker 2>touch it just the right way, it'll all begin to

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<v Speaker 2>crumble and just dissolve away. He is just really, really vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 2>and by count Fog is dead, we do not have

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<v Speaker 2>to worry about him. But yeah, it's it's a she

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<v Speaker 2>is in a position where if she moves, she will

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<v Speaker 2>hurt him, and he is she believes, and we find

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<v Speaker 2>out later that this is correct. He is conscious enough

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<v Speaker 2>to know what is happening and to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>process the decisions that she is making, which results in

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<v Speaker 2>him not holding it against Carl the way I was

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<v Speaker 2>worried he would. I didn't know, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there was a moment where I was sort of going,

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<v Speaker 2>I really hope we don't have to sit here and

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<v Speaker 2>watch him blaming them. It wouldn't have been necessarily, like

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<v Speaker 2>totally out of character. I like, there are all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of ways that you could make that work, But to

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<v Speaker 2>a point, I feel like it could have been really boring,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm glad that we're not going there. And it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like he, by the end of this has come

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<v Speaker 2>to the same conclusion that Carl has, which we will

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<v Speaker 2>get to.

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<v Speaker 1>So she.

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<v Speaker 2>Is marked by by accident, by a ring of divine

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<v Speaker 2>suffering that Prepatente has, which Carl did not realize. Like

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<v Speaker 2>Prepotente even had, which I guess Prepotentie is not really

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<v Speaker 2>like advertising it to people, which is probably smart. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is one of those things, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Where.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want very much for Carl to see this

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<v Speaker 2>as like the cautionary tale that it is, and it

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<v Speaker 2>does not seem like it registers at all. Are E,

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<v Speaker 2>this could happen to me and Donut or one of

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<v Speaker 2>my party somehow. This it is so very likely. Granted

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have like opposite day abilities that we know of,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are other ways that spells can rebound and

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<v Speaker 2>go totally haywire. I just Carl, he is taking such

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<v Speaker 2>a risk using this and is simply unwilling to engage

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<v Speaker 2>at all with that fact. He just doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>see it, and I understand, I really get that attitude,

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<v Speaker 2>but this scene is so heartbreaking, and it is so

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<v Speaker 2>similar in terms of the relationship between her and Prepotente

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<v Speaker 2>as him and Donut. The fact that he isn't seeing

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<v Speaker 2>this makes me want to fucking kill him. I really

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<v Speaker 2>want to rip his arms off of him and smack

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<v Speaker 2>him in the face with his own hands, like how

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<v Speaker 2>are you this fucking dense? And the way that he

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<v Speaker 2>is this fucking dense is he doesn't want to know,

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want to think about it. It's like, literally

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<v Speaker 2>that simple. He just rather not. That's it. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. And fucking weak bro weak sauce like, I

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<v Speaker 2>honestly disgusted, just disgusted, I tell you what. So what

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<v Speaker 2>she wants. It turns out she has been made head vampire. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>they're in this situation where because she remained a vampire

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<v Speaker 2>going into the next floor, she was granted a title

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<v Speaker 2>queen of Hell. And this means that she is like

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<v Speaker 2>the progenitor of all of the vampires on this floor,

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<v Speaker 2>and if something happens to her, everybody who is infected

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<v Speaker 2>will be cured. They will no longer be vampires if

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<v Speaker 2>she's taken out. And now that she has begun to

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<v Speaker 2>hear how much the vampirism has gone rampant, she really feels,

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<v Speaker 2>quite correctly in my opinion, that her death is worth

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<v Speaker 2>it to take everybody else out of danger of this.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just like, yeah, no, we don't need to continue

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<v Speaker 2>down this road because it's only going to get worse.

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<v Speaker 2>More and more people are going to get infected. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to just begin to spin wildly out of control

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<v Speaker 2>until everybody's a vampire. I am stopping this ride here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just, you know, I admire that. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that she'd necessarily kill herself were she not already

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<v Speaker 2>in the position to die like this, you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to say that it's like this totally

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<v Speaker 2>self act, but it is in a way. She's like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of finding the silver lining where I'm going to die,

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<v Speaker 2>and like or more accurately, the only way to save

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<v Speaker 2>Prepotente is with my death. I know he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>me to die, and he would try and prevent me,

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<v Speaker 2>but my death will result in such a net good

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<v Speaker 2>and if I don't die, he won't get the d

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<v Speaker 2>buff taken off him that causes him it's left to fester,

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<v Speaker 2>that causes him to be unable to take like a

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<v Speaker 2>health potion. So in total, the advantages to my death

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<v Speaker 2>outweigh the advantages to me finding a way to survive. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>extremely practical and to a degree, you've got to be.

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<v Speaker 2>So what she wants is for Carl to kill her,

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<v Speaker 2>and Carl is straight up like, look, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. However, I don't disagree with your overall reasoning.

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<v Speaker 2>So I will sit with you as the sun comes

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<v Speaker 2>up and be with you until you die. I will

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<v Speaker 2>sit here and keep you company in your last moments

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<v Speaker 2>so that you don't have to be alone. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely not going to take it upon myself to like

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<v Speaker 2>end your life, which I think is fair, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a reasonable balance. And he feels like

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<v Speaker 2>she knows who he is enough that she probably predicted

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<v Speaker 2>that this is how he would behave and it's why

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<v Speaker 2>she got in touch with him, because she knew that

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<v Speaker 2>he was, you know, going to be that he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to have integrity about it. And she wants him

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<v Speaker 2>to protect Prepatente, which, like my understanding of her wanting

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<v Speaker 2>him to do that was that she's expecting them to

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<v Speaker 2>take Prepatente into their party, and I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>surprising later when Donna asks him, like, is he going

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<v Speaker 2>to stay with us? And Carl immediately his reaction is

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<v Speaker 2>like fuck no. I was sort of like, oh, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily think he should take Prepotente, but I

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<v Speaker 2>had thought that was sort of the understanding, And it

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<v Speaker 2>winds up being a bit of a moot point because Prepatente,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems, is very very much like not interested in

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<v Speaker 2>being part of their crew himself. It seems like he

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<v Speaker 2>is once all is said and done, he's like on

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<v Speaker 2>the war path and I'm going to go fuck some

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<v Speaker 2>people's days right up, so stay out of my way

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<v Speaker 2>while I go take care of that. And there's not

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<v Speaker 2>even a moment of him inquiring about being part of

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<v Speaker 2>their party or you know, wanting that. It's just fully

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on my own now. And I guess that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it would probably be difficult even if you

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<v Speaker 2>know rationally that certain people are not like responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>her death, it might be difficult to like really be

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<v Speaker 2>okay being around them all the time. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but uh, suffice to say, once she

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<v Speaker 2>up on her. Prepotente is released from this thing. And

419
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Speaker 2>because she gave the spell to like wake him up

420
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 2>to Donut, she had a cool ability where she could

421
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:09.559
<v Speaker 2>unlearn a spell and make it into a spell book

422
00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:11.680
<v Speaker 2>and then give the spell book to somebody else so

423
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:13.599
<v Speaker 2>that they had the spell, which I think is really

424
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:17.839
<v Speaker 2>really neat. But uh, that is what Donut does to

425
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.960
<v Speaker 2>bring him back out of this like state of being

426
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 2>frozen and Prepotente is so devastated, and it just like

427
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:34.359
<v Speaker 2>he is in such a state of grief that it's

428
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:38.279
<v Speaker 2>simply he has checked out. By the time we move

429
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:43.680
<v Speaker 2>on to other parts of what's going on. There's he

430
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:48.119
<v Speaker 2>just feels like I have a death wish now because

431
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:53.519
<v Speaker 2>I know what this was. So let's talk about that,

432
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 2>because it's it's an interesting question. But there's been this

433
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>whole thing with how the Plenty were very invested in

434
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.799
<v Speaker 2>Prepotente because of him. He is not really the same race,

435
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.519
<v Speaker 2>but it's like he's kind of close and so they

436
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>feel like invested in him somehow, and what he and

437
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Carl seem to agree on, even though they don't say

438
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:26.599
<v Speaker 2>it out loud because he can't really show his hand

439
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:35.759
<v Speaker 2>that he's aware of this, but essentially it seems that

440
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the Plenty likely were somehow responsible for Miriam getting taken

441
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.880
<v Speaker 2>out because they wanted Prepatente to be on his own.

442
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.319
<v Speaker 2>So these people that he had been like going on

443
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:55.480
<v Speaker 2>their weird talk show and stuff and like feeling like, oh, hey,

444
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 2>there's some there's a race out there that I relate

445
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>to that under stands they are not on his side

446
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 2>in any of the senses that he maybe thought they were.

447
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really sure to what extent he really believed

448
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:18.319
<v Speaker 2>that or hoped that, But all this to say that

449
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 2>it was not. He is not considering it an accidental,

450
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:28.319
<v Speaker 2>unfortunate event that she is now dead. He is very

451
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 2>much seeing this as like they wanted this end result.

452
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 2>This is where we were heading, and it is a

453
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:46.799
<v Speaker 2>really grim place to be in terms of like believing

454
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:49.400
<v Speaker 2>that you are all alone because she has been taken

455
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:53.079
<v Speaker 2>from you, she has died, but also believing that you

456
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 2>are all alone because the people that you thought were

457
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:04.400
<v Speaker 2>maybe supporting you weren't in the way that you expected.

458
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:10.800
<v Speaker 2>They do not care about your emotional wellbeing, your relationships,

459
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.679
<v Speaker 2>your mental health. They care only about you as like

460
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:19.480
<v Speaker 2>a representative on their behalf, and thus you're a tool.

461
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 2>You're not a full person to them. So the way

462
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.159
<v Speaker 2>that he sort of goes off into the sunset to

463
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:31.559
<v Speaker 2>be like I am going to go handle absolutely everybody

464
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:35.239
<v Speaker 2>who is remotely related to her death. There's a real

465
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.679
<v Speaker 2>sense from that of like, and I'm not coming out again,

466
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, Carl. He says something to Carl about like

467
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 2>or die in the attempt, and he says this as

468
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:48.039
<v Speaker 2>if I think one of the things that he says

469
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 2>is he's telling Carl, this is like I don't expect

470
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.239
<v Speaker 2>you to understand, and then he says that, and Carl

471
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.639
<v Speaker 2>is like, why would you think I wouldn't understand that?

472
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Just of course I do. Like this is kind of

473
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>also my whole thing, you know. So I'm really curious

474
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.360
<v Speaker 2>if we're going to get any more of prepotente or

475
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.599
<v Speaker 2>if we're going to just hear about what's going on

476
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:19.840
<v Speaker 2>with him as he goes on this like death wish

477
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of journey. Part of me like wants to actually

478
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:33.199
<v Speaker 2>see it and get to kind of feel like I'm

479
00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 2>partaking of his victory and revenge. Another part of me

480
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:42.559
<v Speaker 2>is like, there is no way that's going to actually

481
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.920
<v Speaker 2>be satisfying. It's probably for the best if I don't

482
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>see it, you know. So, I don't know. I'm I'm

483
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:58.039
<v Speaker 2>very sad for him though, Like this was his mom basically,

484
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:05.719
<v Speaker 2>and he the betrayal of these people sort of turning

485
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.320
<v Speaker 2>on him, Like this has to really hurt if he

486
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:13.119
<v Speaker 2>was seeing them the way that I'm I'm saying he did.

487
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'm even right about that. You know,

488
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.440
<v Speaker 2>I may be really really off base, but I just

489
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:24.599
<v Speaker 2>keep thinking about being a creature that's like not really

490
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.800
<v Speaker 2>present otherwise in the dungeon at all. A sentient goat,

491
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:32.119
<v Speaker 2>like the only other one is also in your party,

492
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.400
<v Speaker 2>so you're and you're not really even the same species

493
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 2>as that one. So it's you're gonna feel quite alone.

494
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:42.719
<v Speaker 2>And then you meet some of these other goat beings

495
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.360
<v Speaker 2>and you maybe start to think, hey, look, you know,

496
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 2>like here's another one. Cool. I just can't help but

497
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:54.320
<v Speaker 2>believe that you would start to feel like you had

498
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 2>allies somehow. So that's the part I keep getting hung

499
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 2>up on. Sorry, I'm seeing all of this chatter and

500
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I totally missed it. Sorry, Michael. My guest, given Carl's suspicion,

501
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:11.159
<v Speaker 2>is that the Plenty paid the showrunners to get them

502
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 2>to have the Hunter go after Miriam dont Probably you

503
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 2>have more faith than me and prepotente, his line of

504
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.360
<v Speaker 2>nobody even remotely responsible for her death can exist in

505
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.639
<v Speaker 2>this world either makes me think Carlin Donut might be

506
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.639
<v Speaker 2>on his list, just much farther down than the more

507
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.599
<v Speaker 2>overtly responsible people. I also think that he is including

508
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>himself in that list. That's fair, and it did occur

509
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.079
<v Speaker 2>to me, but I have this feeling that even if

510
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:39.400
<v Speaker 2>that's true, he is going to be dead long before

511
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 2>he can be a threat to them, which might not

512
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 2>be true. But it's like, I'm very much sitting here

513
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>not worried, you know what I'm saying. I have sung

514
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Hayes' praises plenty already, but I wanted to do

515
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:55.679
<v Speaker 2>it again and praise him for really selling the emotion.

516
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:58.840
<v Speaker 2>For miriam Dom agreed. I think she just wanted Carl

517
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.880
<v Speaker 2>and Donut to literally protect pre Pretentie while he was

518
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 2>still frozen. She knows Pony can take care of himself,

519
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.239
<v Speaker 2>especially with Bianca. Pretty much any other crawler probably would

520
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:10.679
<v Speaker 2>have just killed Pony after miriam Dom died. Yeah, I

521
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.159
<v Speaker 2>guess that's true, God, because they are both worth quite

522
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.719
<v Speaker 2>a bit of bounty, Carl points out, and he also

523
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.639
<v Speaker 2>is like, probably there are a lot of folks watching

524
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.239
<v Speaker 2>who think I'm an idiot for not just killing her

525
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:26.199
<v Speaker 2>since she's gonna die anyway. They don't understand like the

526
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:30.599
<v Speaker 2>principle of it that is driving him here, you know,

527
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:33.239
<v Speaker 2>as well as like killing Prepotente, Like both of them

528
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 2>are worth a lot, but you know, they just don't

529
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.280
<v Speaker 2>get They don't get Carl if they think that he

530
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:41.800
<v Speaker 2>should do that, they don't. You're not You're not feeling

531
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:49.400
<v Speaker 2>what he's putting down. So I really this just this

532
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.920
<v Speaker 2>whole scene, it was genuinely sad. She's explaining to Carl

533
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:57.679
<v Speaker 2>too before she dies, about like how she had had

534
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.760
<v Speaker 2>this career and that she didn't want to go home

535
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.320
<v Speaker 2>and work on the farm. She didn't want to do

536
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.000
<v Speaker 2>any of this, but she felt like she owed it

537
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.400
<v Speaker 2>to her parents, and that gradually there was like a

538
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 2>point where she turned a corner and began to like

539
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.679
<v Speaker 2>the work and cared about the animals. And that is

540
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:19.920
<v Speaker 2>such a real thing. You know. A lot of stories

541
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.519
<v Speaker 2>the way that they are told, it's somebody goes into

542
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 2>something resenting a thing, and then they that resentment festers

543
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:33.519
<v Speaker 2>and it becomes even more bitter and pronounced, and they

544
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 2>get to a point where they're like holding so much rage,

545
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:41.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, But that's not always how it works. Sometimes

546
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:46.199
<v Speaker 2>the resentment like begins to soften and you begin to

547
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 2>understand a little bit.

548
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:49.280
<v Speaker 1>More, and.

549
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Your priorities also just change as you age, and things

550
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>that felt really important and urgent when you were younger

551
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.239
<v Speaker 2>fall by the wayside, and things that didn't used to

552
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:06.920
<v Speaker 2>matter to you become crucial because now you just are

553
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:12.000
<v Speaker 2>looking at everything from a very different place. So I

554
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:17.719
<v Speaker 2>really was kind of touched by that as the journey

555
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:22.119
<v Speaker 2>that she went on in terms of going into it

556
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:27.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of unwillingly and then eventually it being everything to her,

557
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, or like just her life revolved around it

558
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 2>and the way that she bonded with these animals. So

559
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:44.360
<v Speaker 2>so anyway, at this point we kind of get interrupted.

560
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 2>As Pony is grieving, we have the uh, the approach

561
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 2>of all of the lady mangos as we often call them,

562
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:05.519
<v Speaker 2>and Donu has to deliver this charm animal potion, which

563
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:11.760
<v Speaker 2>does work. She manages to do it, and I really appreciate,

564
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Like when Carl says, hey, great job, you did it,

565
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:17.360
<v Speaker 2>She's like, of course I did it. Shut up, Like

566
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.599
<v Speaker 2>she's just every time that he has any tone of

567
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 2>surprise to his voice, Dona is immediately like, you don't

568
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:26.679
<v Speaker 2>have to sound like that about it, you know that right,

569
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 2>Like I can hear the incredulity in your voice. Please don't.

570
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I do think that's kind of funny because that's a

571
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:42.679
<v Speaker 2>fair criticism. But yeah, so she uses this. It works. However,

572
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:49.719
<v Speaker 2>what she wants is for is to have this rule

573
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:56.599
<v Speaker 2>now that key we can't fuck Mango again, and she

574
00:41:56.719 --> 00:42:01.400
<v Speaker 2>makes that rule number one, and this other female she

575
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:06.039
<v Speaker 2>tries to get Mango to fuck her, and Kiwi jumps

576
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:11.519
<v Speaker 2>in and stops that one, and Donut reacts to this

577
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:18.079
<v Speaker 2>as if this is Kiwi sticking to the rules, which

578
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:24.440
<v Speaker 2>is just she's not seeing like this is territoriality. So

579
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.719
<v Speaker 2>then the next thing, of course that Kiwi does after

580
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:33.599
<v Speaker 2>stopping that one is she jumps Mango herself and begins

581
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.039
<v Speaker 2>to fuck Mango, and Donut is just so horrified and

582
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 2>it's just like, wait, wait, no, bad stop it. Oh Donut,

583
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:47.639
<v Speaker 2>you can't. You can't stop nature. You can't stand in

584
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:48.440
<v Speaker 2>nature's way.

585
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Baby.

586
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:53.199
<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a runaway train. You don't get to

587
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:56.559
<v Speaker 2>stop it. I did find this very funny though, she's

588
00:42:56.719 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>just so certain for a second there that it's Kiwi

589
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:04.280
<v Speaker 2>and her being on the same page that I was

590
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>almost sad for her at the way that she's just

591
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:17.239
<v Speaker 2>like completely under this misapprehension. So there's also a moment

592
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:21.599
<v Speaker 2>where she has she being Miriam Dom she has unloaded

593
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 2>all of her inventory because she is assuming that when

594
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:29.159
<v Speaker 2>she dies, she's going to dissolve because she's a vampire

595
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 2>and so it will not be possible to loot her body,

596
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:37.639
<v Speaker 2>which it turns out she's right about. And she begins

597
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:41.000
<v Speaker 2>just like emptying her inventory onto the ground around her,

598
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:45.079
<v Speaker 2>and they promise her that she's going to get that

599
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>they will give Prepotente all of the stuff. But Carl

600
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:54.960
<v Speaker 2>does sneak a couple of potions for himself, thinking that

601
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 2>nobody sees him, and it turns out that Prepotente does

602
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:02.679
<v Speaker 2>see him, and so later when he's saying to Carl, like,

603
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 2>let's see here it is. Do you have any fine

604
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.440
<v Speaker 2>healing potions? I only have two. I had about fifty

605
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:14.280
<v Speaker 2>of them. Yeah, a few. Do you need one? How's

606
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.719
<v Speaker 2>your stomach? Give them to me. I need at least

607
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:20.400
<v Speaker 2>five more. I have all the other required ingredients. Give

608
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>them to you. Consider it payment for the size of

609
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 2>potions you stole from my mother. Ouch. And he says,

610
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:31.599
<v Speaker 2>tell me what's on the paper, and I will. And

611
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:37.159
<v Speaker 2>he says it's a potion recipe for a herbicide fine

612
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.800
<v Speaker 2>healing mixed with blessed water and a weed killer. But

613
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:43.079
<v Speaker 2>it will only work if it's applied using my new

614
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.719
<v Speaker 2>magical canister. It has to be turned to a very

615
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.199
<v Speaker 2>fine mist. So he gives them and he sends a

616
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.039
<v Speaker 2>note to Mordecai as well and is like, I might

617
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:55.920
<v Speaker 2>be able to find a way to turn this into

618
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:59.280
<v Speaker 2>a bomb or something, which later on Carl does do,

619
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:04.679
<v Speaker 2>but it's like via the recipe from his cookbook, and

620
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 2>he has to find a way to cover for it,

621
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:10.039
<v Speaker 2>and basically the best he can do is I'm just

622
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:15.280
<v Speaker 2>really good at this, which is like not enough, sir

623
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:22.960
<v Speaker 2>at all, not even like a little bit. There was

624
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:27.159
<v Speaker 2>just something about how like sloppy he's getting with it,

625
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 2>especially after having been accused of cheating, Like I don't

626
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:34.840
<v Speaker 2>really think there's anything that he can do about it.

627
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 2>He's got to do what he has to do, and

628
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:41.800
<v Speaker 2>he can only really worry so much about everybody else's reaction.

629
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.519
<v Speaker 2>So I don't think i'd have done anything differently, But

630
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I will say that I found it very funny how

631
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.760
<v Speaker 2>cavalier he is getting about it, because to a degree,

632
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know how they could prove he's cheating.

633
00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Even at this point, even Mordecai is beginning to get

634
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:07.960
<v Speaker 2>suspicious and be kind of like, wait a minute, how

635
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.760
<v Speaker 2>did you do that that fast? You were only in

636
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:12.119
<v Speaker 2>there for like five minutes and you figured this out.

637
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:19.840
<v Speaker 2>So it's not just his enemies being haters looking for

638
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 2>how this is possible. Mordecai himself is out here being like,

639
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 2>hold up, this isn't this doesn't make any sense. I

640
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.119
<v Speaker 2>don't know how much more he can keep this up,

641
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:36.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, Like I'm really a little worried if there

642
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 2>is a way. The only thing I can imagine is

643
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:44.079
<v Speaker 2>if somebody kills him and loots his corpse. There's probably

644
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 2>other ways to force somebody to drop everything in their inventory,

645
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:51.079
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know what that would be, And I

646
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 2>really i'm not sure, like if they did force him,

647
00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:59.480
<v Speaker 2>would the book even come out or does it have

648
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 2>protection against that happening, Because it's possible it does, I don't,

649
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:06.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's got other things that sort of circumvent

650
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the system that would ordinarily make it show up, So

651
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:15.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know if it would happen that way,

652
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:22.039
<v Speaker 2>but anyhow, just something I'm curious about. So this is

653
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:28.199
<v Speaker 2>when we get the the announcement of the like huge

654
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:33.000
<v Speaker 2>mission that everybody is getting. I'm trying to find the

655
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:38.519
<v Speaker 2>exact description from the AI about it, but here it

656
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:45.039
<v Speaker 2>is the creeping Apocalypse. This is a world quest. All

657
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:48.320
<v Speaker 2>crawlers and all hunters currently active on the sixth floor

658
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:53.559
<v Speaker 2>will receive this quest. You may not opt out. And

659
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.599
<v Speaker 2>the AI calls out Karl for using the Ring of

660
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Divine suffering while Miriam dies and makes it sound like

661
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.880
<v Speaker 2>him and Doughnut just you know, coldheartedly stood by and

662
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 2>let her die. And then it says some of the

663
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.079
<v Speaker 2>forest monsters infected with vamporism have spent the past few

664
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:11.360
<v Speaker 2>nights on a killing spree. Another vampire are now cursed.

665
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Alisaurus by the name of Big Tina, unfortunately, has expended

666
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of effort on building an army of undead

667
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:21.280
<v Speaker 2>monstrosities using the leftovers. These newly created monsters are not vampires,

668
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.800
<v Speaker 2>and they were not cured when Miriam died. These mindless

669
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.159
<v Speaker 2>freaks were left all alone, not under control from any entity.

670
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Some are nothing more than many grinders also known as shrillings,

671
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 2>also known as shambling perserkers. We've seen these before on

672
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.000
<v Speaker 2>some of the train station. They can get pretty big

673
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 2>and annoying, but not something you need to worry about anyway.

674
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Some of the other have become something else and short

675
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:48.440
<v Speaker 2>of a god, they are the most powerful monsters who

676
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:50.719
<v Speaker 2>have ever set foot on a sixth floor in dungeon

677
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:55.199
<v Speaker 2>crawler world history. I like to call them odious creepers.

678
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:58.400
<v Speaker 2>They tend to be slow during the day when it's dark.

679
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 2>They gave the ability to combine with both shamblers and

680
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.800
<v Speaker 2>other creepers and get even stronger, and they can get

681
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.840
<v Speaker 2>fast very fast. They can replicate themselves too, if they

682
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:13.119
<v Speaker 2>have the parts. There are currently fifty in the forest,

683
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:17.519
<v Speaker 2>plus another few thousand shambling berserkers of various sizes. For fun,

684
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.639
<v Speaker 2>we have randomized their location, and for extra fun, we

685
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.320
<v Speaker 2>have marked the location of each creeper on the map.

686
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:27.119
<v Speaker 2>For you wall kill all the odious creepers before the

687
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.760
<v Speaker 2>sun sets. For every you kill, you will receive plus

688
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.880
<v Speaker 2>five to random stat for every five plus five additional levels.

689
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:40.159
<v Speaker 2>That's insane. That's insane. The crawler or hunter who kills

690
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:43.199
<v Speaker 2>the most will get an additional prize. Only the person

691
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.559
<v Speaker 2>who does the most damage gets credit for the kill.

692
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.079
<v Speaker 2>If you don't kill all of them before the sun sets,

693
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.760
<v Speaker 2>bad stuff will happen, and I mean every single one,

694
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:54.159
<v Speaker 2>and by bad stuff I mean something completely badshit, and

695
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 2>not just to the crawlers, but the hunters too, So

696
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.280
<v Speaker 2>all of you cowards sitting on your ass and Zacha

697
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:05.440
<v Speaker 2>need to get to work. So Mordecai gets in touch

698
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.719
<v Speaker 2>and he is like, I think I know what these

699
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 2>are going to be, and they are going to be

700
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.679
<v Speaker 2>so deadly. I don't even have words to express how

701
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.079
<v Speaker 2>dangerous and how much you need to not be involved

702
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.920
<v Speaker 2>in any of this. You have got to get out

703
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.440
<v Speaker 2>of there, and they will be able to like not

704
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.320
<v Speaker 2>only rip people apart, but in doing that use their

705
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.800
<v Speaker 2>body parts that they have just ripped off to make

706
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.760
<v Speaker 2>themselves even stronger. They come up out of the ground,

707
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.880
<v Speaker 2>they have like ranged weapons, They can wrap you up

708
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:40.519
<v Speaker 2>in vines, they can shoot darts, like you know all

709
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:42.880
<v Speaker 2>of this, and Carl's starting to be like, we can't

710
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.679
<v Speaker 2>let everybody else do it, and he's like, I don't

711
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:50.239
<v Speaker 2>know if anything I have will work on them. And

712
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.880
<v Speaker 2>things this big usually require a full application, So we're

713
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:57.480
<v Speaker 2>talking in aerosol delivery is going to be a problem

714
00:50:57.679 --> 00:50:59.480
<v Speaker 2>with only half a day. They want you to kill

715
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 2>these things the old fashioned way, and the prize is

716
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:06.440
<v Speaker 2>a little too good, which means it's too dangerous. And

717
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.400
<v Speaker 2>then Kotsha chimes in and she says I think some

718
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:11.400
<v Speaker 2>of these are going to be as high as level

719
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:16.000
<v Speaker 2>one point fifty and maybe more before they turn into

720
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:24.360
<v Speaker 2>the plant things, which is bonkers insane. So uh, they

721
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:28.800
<v Speaker 2>wind up like at the safe room putting together a plan,

722
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:33.880
<v Speaker 2>but it's sort of the way that they have to

723
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:36.199
<v Speaker 2>create an aerosol. This is the thing that like Karl

724
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:39.559
<v Speaker 2>winds up having to sort of lie about in terms

725
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:41.960
<v Speaker 2>of how he managed to come up with this and

726
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:50.159
<v Speaker 2>figure it all out. And also it's like the vibe

727
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:53.840
<v Speaker 2>is still I don't know that this is going to work.

728
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:57.320
<v Speaker 2>We think it's likely to work, and it turns out

729
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:02.320
<v Speaker 2>that Louis has this ability because of him is what

730
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:06.559
<v Speaker 2>is the class that he has. It's like exterminator, I think.

731
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.719
<v Speaker 2>So he has an ability called tent the house, which

732
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 2>is basically exactly kind of what they need where he

733
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:18.880
<v Speaker 2>can create an aerosolized assault within a given area and

734
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:22.679
<v Speaker 2>if he's flying on that house, he can hit an

735
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:26.760
<v Speaker 2>even bigger area. So like that's ideal, but it's like

736
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.400
<v Speaker 2>a little too ideal where I am very much sitting

737
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.280
<v Speaker 2>here like okay, so how is this going to go

738
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:37.119
<v Speaker 2>horribly wrong? It has to the you know, ough God,

739
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:44.880
<v Speaker 2>So I'm trying to find the moment when they're actually

740
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.199
<v Speaker 2>at the because I'm jumping back and forth so much

741
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 2>as I talk about everything that I am having to

742
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.719
<v Speaker 2>swipe back and forth between chapters on my kindle here,

743
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:57.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, and I forgot about the fact that prepotente

744
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:01.119
<v Speaker 2>he drops the ring of Divine and Suffering on the ground,

745
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:08.039
<v Speaker 2>and in that moment, fucking Carl looks at it and

746
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.320
<v Speaker 2>has a second of like, oh shit, how do I

747
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:14.440
<v Speaker 2>get it? And I was like, oh, Carl, Like the

748
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:17.679
<v Speaker 2>fact that he's using it at all is just not great.

749
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:30.440
<v Speaker 2>The fact that he is considering using two I'm so sorry.

750
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Something terrible has to be like a side effect of

751
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:39.239
<v Speaker 2>using two, Right, There's got to be something that, like

752
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:45.000
<v Speaker 2>setting aside the kind of cold bloodedness that it inspires

753
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.360
<v Speaker 2>in you, there's got to be something else. I don't know.

754
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm giving things too much credit. Maybe it is

755
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:56.840
<v Speaker 2>supposed to like be sheer psychological effect. I don't know,

756
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:02.599
<v Speaker 2>but it was extra really upsetting to me how quickly

757
00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:08.159
<v Speaker 2>he like resolved on the fact that he was going

758
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.360
<v Speaker 2>to take that ring, that he was looking at it

759
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:15.920
<v Speaker 2>fully intending. I really got goosebumps over it a little bit.

760
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:16.320
<v Speaker 1>You know.

761
00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:24.079
<v Speaker 2>And then what it's almost like Prepotente knows I don't.

762
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:29.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he knows it's Carl or if

763
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 2>it's like just a in general sense of like, well,

764
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.719
<v Speaker 2>somebody could take it, somebody like this is certainly everything

765
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:39.760
<v Speaker 2>that's happened here is going to have been on camera

766
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.079
<v Speaker 2>with the death of Miriam dom Me. Taking the ring

767
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:46.599
<v Speaker 2>off and dropping it here would certainly be perceived by

768
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:51.159
<v Speaker 2>somebody and they could come and get it. And so

769
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:54.960
<v Speaker 2>how I am going to sidestep that is, I'm going

770
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:58.400
<v Speaker 2>to fucking eat it and make it so that nobody

771
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:02.920
<v Speaker 2>can take it, which I think is like a very

772
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:09.400
<v Speaker 2>reasonable idea. I think it's a smart approach because it's

773
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:14.559
<v Speaker 2>not him using it, but it's also not him leaving

774
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:16.880
<v Speaker 2>it somewhere for somebody else to get a hold of.

775
00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:22.639
<v Speaker 2>I do not know whether or not it can be

776
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 2>looted from his body if he swallows it and is

777
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:30.639
<v Speaker 2>killed with it in his stomach, because if it works

778
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:34.760
<v Speaker 2>the way I think, I believe that wouldn't be possible

779
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.960
<v Speaker 2>that they couldn't loot it, which is genius, Like this

780
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:43.199
<v Speaker 2>is him low key taking it out of play as

781
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:49.320
<v Speaker 2>effectively as he can given the circumstances a very smart

782
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:53.079
<v Speaker 2>move if that, If it's what I think, because it

783
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:56.079
<v Speaker 2>just feels to me he wouldn't want to keep using

784
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:59.280
<v Speaker 2>it it resultsed in Miriam's death, Like the way that

785
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:04.320
<v Speaker 2>he would see it inevitably would be like this ring

786
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 2>is responsible for killing her, and it wouldn't be necessarily

787
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:11.920
<v Speaker 2>quite true or fair, but I would be hard pressed

788
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.599
<v Speaker 2>to make a good argument against it, really, like I

789
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:17.119
<v Speaker 2>can't help but kind of agree. So of course he

790
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:20.360
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to keep using it, but you also don't

791
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.760
<v Speaker 2>want to be responsible for somebody else getting a hold

792
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:26.960
<v Speaker 2>of it and going fucking nuts on this floor with it,

793
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:31.440
<v Speaker 2>you know. And he saw the way that Carl used

794
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:34.679
<v Speaker 2>like stole her the potions when he claimed that Prepotentie

795
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:36.880
<v Speaker 2>was going to get all of them. And I am

796
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:41.760
<v Speaker 2>assuming Prepotente heard the AI say Carl used his own

797
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:46.599
<v Speaker 2>ring of divine suffering when Miriam died. I feel Prepotente

798
00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:52.800
<v Speaker 2>is aware of how Carl's mind works and is just

799
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.000
<v Speaker 2>cutting it off at the pass right here and being like,

800
00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:59.599
<v Speaker 2>you know what, no, you're not getting this. And I

801
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:04.960
<v Speaker 2>respect that, and I think it is a really smart choice,

802
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.320
<v Speaker 2>not just for keeping everybody else away from the ring,

803
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:11.880
<v Speaker 2>but also he's kind of doing Carl a favor, even

804
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:18.719
<v Speaker 2>if that's not his intention, because Carl like the way

805
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:25.800
<v Speaker 2>in which Carl is so susceptible to this rings ability

806
00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:30.679
<v Speaker 2>its convenience. I don't even really know how to describe it.

807
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:35.840
<v Speaker 2>It's extremely worrying from the outside to me, you know,

808
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:42.519
<v Speaker 2>like I really hate seeing this, so yeah, I sort

809
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:46.039
<v Speaker 2>of love that move. I feel like this is prepotente

810
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:52.880
<v Speaker 2>really outthinking Carl in just like a moment of inspiration,

811
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:55.679
<v Speaker 2>and I was sort of on the sidelines, like rooting

812
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:58.599
<v Speaker 2>for him a bit, you know, just being like because

813
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:01.280
<v Speaker 2>as soon as he started to drop it, I instantly

814
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:05.519
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, oh no, what is this gonna be now,

815
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:09.519
<v Speaker 2>Like Carl's gonna have two and I'm just so glad

816
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:15.000
<v Speaker 2>that's not how it's gonna work out. Let's see. Uh.

817
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:19.800
<v Speaker 2>If I recall correctly, this is Michael in the chat. Sorry, guys,

818
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the book disappears and the owner loses access to it

819
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:25.840
<v Speaker 2>entirely if he ever reveals its existence. That one, I know.

820
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I presume the same would apply if the crawler is

821
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:29.840
<v Speaker 2>killed and someone's looting the inventory, or if the book

822
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:34.840
<v Speaker 2>is otherwise forcibly removed from his inventory and discovered. So

823
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:39.000
<v Speaker 2>you're saying that, like, if somebody forcibly removed his inventory,

824
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:41.159
<v Speaker 2>that the book would likely just disappear and he would

825
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:45.480
<v Speaker 2>never have access to it. That's like really scary also,

826
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:50.880
<v Speaker 2>because it's not just that somebody is forcing you to

827
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:56.800
<v Speaker 2>drop all your stuff. If the book weren't simply taken away,

828
00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:01.000
<v Speaker 2>there is still the hope that per perhaps they won't

829
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:06.559
<v Speaker 2>recognize the value of the book and so it's you know,

830
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:11.119
<v Speaker 2>out of your inventory. But they're going through your stuff

831
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and they just see this book and they're like, ugh,

832
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 2>just a recipe book whatever, and they just chuck it

833
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<v Speaker 2>aside and you can maybe still get it back. But

834
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:19.960
<v Speaker 2>if they shove it out of your inventory and that

835
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<v Speaker 2>results in it being taken away from you permanently, that

836
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<v Speaker 2>that's just like a real heartbreaker. I would be so bombed.

837
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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if that's really how it works. But yeah, anyway,

838
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<v Speaker 2>so sorry, guys, I'm getting I'm all over the place

839
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<v Speaker 2>here a little bit. I love when they go and

840
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<v Speaker 2>ask Mordecai is his eating the ring going to do anything?

841
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<v Speaker 2>Is it gonna result in his stomach being turned to lava?

842
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what doughnut asks is just specifically like

843
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:02.280
<v Speaker 2>will it turn his belly the lava or something? And

844
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:05.719
<v Speaker 2>I love Mordechai just being like, I don't fucking know

845
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:10.880
<v Speaker 2>everybody is doing such weird shit anymore that I can't

846
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.599
<v Speaker 2>keep up. I don't know what's happening. And then later

847
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:16.119
<v Speaker 2>he's giving advice and he's like, of course, nobody fucking

848
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:21.320
<v Speaker 2>listens to me anymore, so whatever, I guess. And I

849
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:25.280
<v Speaker 2>just really enjoyed his being like frustrated and throwing his

850
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:28.159
<v Speaker 2>hands in the air and just being like having he

851
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:31.719
<v Speaker 2>for a while was like the respected sage who knew all.

852
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<v Speaker 2>And now it's sort of like, well we should probably

853
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:36.480
<v Speaker 2>ask Mordecai, but then we should probably just go ahead

854
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.719
<v Speaker 2>and do whatever the fuck we intended to do anyway.

855
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I just found that kind of funny. It's uh,

856
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<v Speaker 2>I I am enjoying seeing Mordecai run across things that

857
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:56.719
<v Speaker 2>he is not familiar with either. There's something kind of

858
01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:02.519
<v Speaker 2>weirdly satisfying about that. It's just a I feel like

859
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:05.559
<v Speaker 2>he had when we start the series. There's a sense

860
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:09.639
<v Speaker 2>coming off of him of hopelessness and boredom and this

861
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:12.639
<v Speaker 2>routine that he has fallen into that's just like really

862
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<v Speaker 2>depressing and like SAPs his enjoyment of life. And even

863
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<v Speaker 2>though it's not like a good reason, I can't help

864
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<v Speaker 2>but feel like being thrown for a loop over and

865
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<v Speaker 2>over is at least getting him re engaged in his

866
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<v Speaker 2>life in a way that I enjoy seeing, if that

867
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:45.880
<v Speaker 2>makes sense. So I don't know, maybe I'm overstating it,

868
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:53.920
<v Speaker 2>but it just there was there's something about the attitude

869
01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:56.360
<v Speaker 2>that he had to start off with that It's not

870
01:01:56.400 --> 01:02:01.079
<v Speaker 2>like he's less cynical now exactly, but it's more that

871
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:07.599
<v Speaker 2>he feels like he cares and is invested now in

872
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:11.079
<v Speaker 2>a way that it was like he was afraid to

873
01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:15.760
<v Speaker 2>allow himself to do before. I don't know, So yeah,

874
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sort of happy for him. But there's also the

875
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:22.559
<v Speaker 2>sense of, like, once you let yourself open up again,

876
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<v Speaker 2>you are it's possible to be very, very hurt again.

877
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<v Speaker 2>So I do worry about him in regard to all this.

878
01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:36.519
<v Speaker 2>So as they're like figuring out how they're going to

879
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:39.199
<v Speaker 2>handle some of these things, they get messages about when

880
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<v Speaker 2>an odious creeper has fallen, and there are ten that

881
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:47.840
<v Speaker 2>have been taken down and eight went down to crawlers,

882
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:51.119
<v Speaker 2>one to a hunter, and out of the eight that

883
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:55.000
<v Speaker 2>went to crawlers, three went to Prepotente. So he is

884
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<v Speaker 2>out there doing the work man, and I'm trying to

885
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<v Speaker 2>see Uncle Morty's installon Kill an Undead Repellent Extra Strength

886
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Edition is the name of the potion. Based on what

887
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.519
<v Speaker 2>Purpotente said and what he received. I took an existing

888
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:14.800
<v Speaker 2>read killer designed to take out an odious bloom, and

889
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:18.360
<v Speaker 2>added multiple anti undead boosts, similar to the Holy Grenade.

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<v Speaker 2>Each jug has enough to kill two or three of them,

891
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:24.599
<v Speaker 2>maybe four if you're conservative. Do not get close. That

892
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.079
<v Speaker 2>spell of yours has a decent range. Only apply it

893
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:31.000
<v Speaker 2>at maximum distance. This stuff is very flammable, despite my

894
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:32.880
<v Speaker 2>best efforts, and if you catch it on fire before

895
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:35.599
<v Speaker 2>it can get absorbed, it's not going to work. And

896
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:38.960
<v Speaker 2>we find out also that like the way that Carl

897
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:46.239
<v Speaker 2>has made them made it possible to like shoot canisters

898
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:49.320
<v Speaker 2>of it, they no longer count as explosives, which means

899
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:51.440
<v Speaker 2>that like the little bonus he gets to chucking them

900
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.440
<v Speaker 2>is gone, so he has to be a lot more careful.

901
01:03:56.719 --> 01:04:04.519
<v Speaker 2>And as they're talking about, Eva kills one of the creepers,

902
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.800
<v Speaker 2>and then there's another one that falls without being mentioned

903
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:11.559
<v Speaker 2>who's taken it down? And as Carl had mentioned earlier,

904
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<v Speaker 2>if nobody is given credit, it's likely that either the

905
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:18.400
<v Speaker 2>creeper like took itself out somehow or an NPC killed it.

906
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<v Speaker 2>So by the time we begin the next chapter for

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<v Speaker 2>next time, there will be thirty eight remaining and they

908
01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:31.960
<v Speaker 2>only have a few hours before you know, sunset begins

909
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:35.320
<v Speaker 2>and then we're going to have a problem, so hoping

910
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:38.639
<v Speaker 2>that we can really get some work done before that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm over time, so I've got to wrap up. But

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<v Speaker 2>thank you guys again so much for hanging out with

913
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<v Speaker 2>me and listening and coming to lives if you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you again Jackie for commissioning this one. Appreciates you

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<v Speaker 2>very very much, And until next time, to lou motherfuckers.

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<v Speaker 1>That was an unspoiled network. Pat