Speaker 1: This is an Unspoiled Network podcast.
Speaker 2: This is spoil Me covering Dungeon Crawler Carl Book five,
Speaker 2: The Butcher's Masquerade, chapters forty six through fifty. In these chapters,
Speaker 2: I read this section last week before. I remembered that
Speaker 2: I was not recording because I had Thanksgiving week off,
Speaker 2: And then when it was time to reread, I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't remember what happened this section, And then I
Speaker 2: started listening and I was like, oh, right, oh, I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want to listen to this again.
Speaker 2: Welcome to spoil Me. Welcome to the show everyone. I
Speaker 2: am Natasha. Thank you very much to Jackie for commissioning
Speaker 2: this episode. Jackie, if you're out there, was up. Yeah, guys,
Speaker 2: this is just such a sad section. There are you know,
Speaker 2: there are things that are lovely, of course also in
Speaker 2: this section, but man, I was just not ready for
Speaker 2: how sad and how mixed my feelings about a lot
Speaker 2: of this we're going to be as well. That's part
Speaker 2: of what's so difficult is this feeling of like I
Speaker 2: don't know how I feel, you know, and I don't
Speaker 2: mean that in terms of I am unequivocally saddened by
Speaker 2: Miriam's death, but more what I mean is just the
Speaker 2: whole way that like Carl handles things is a really
Speaker 2: I could see it being something that's like kind of divisive,
Speaker 2: and I'd be interested to hear what you all think,
Speaker 2: because I would really understand it if somebody were disgusted
Speaker 2: with the fact that he uses the ring of eternal
Speaker 2: suffering or whatever it is, divine suffering. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: if a person were sort of that's really gross, dude,
Speaker 2: why would you do that? I would get it. I
Speaker 2: couldn't even really be mad about it. But there I
Speaker 2: do have. I must confess such a practical streak to
Speaker 2: me that in large part the only reaction that I
Speaker 2: had was much more how everyone else was going to
Speaker 2: feel about it, and I personally was okay and fine
Speaker 2: with it. It just seemed to me kind of a
Speaker 2: smart move.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It wasn't something that like I could understand the reaction,
Speaker 2: but I feel like, why wouldn't you if you thought
Speaker 2: of it? It's just a good opportunity. And I really
Speaker 2: don't even think that Miriam would mind if she knew
Speaker 2: that he was doing that. I think that she would
Speaker 2: have been like, yeah, that makes sense. That's fine, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe she would be
Speaker 2: like Carl really, but personally I am somebody who can
Speaker 2: like I don't want to say that I can be
Speaker 2: cold blooded because that makes it sound like I have
Speaker 2: no empathy. But it's more like I will be so
Speaker 2: focused on, like the practicality and deficiency of something, that
Speaker 2: it doesn't occur to me the implications of it in
Speaker 2: someone else's eyes until it's actually brought to my attention
Speaker 2: very explicitly, and then I'll get it, but it won't.
Speaker 2: Oftentimes I'll just be like, well, why wouldn't you though,
Speaker 2: And I'm very much a sort of person that would
Speaker 2: feel this way about someone doing this to me. Like
Speaker 2: if I were about to die and I was able
Speaker 2: to sense that Carl had marked me, I think I
Speaker 2: would be like, good, call smart. I know I'm dying.
Speaker 2: I know that it's like about to all be over.
Speaker 2: Get something out of it, make use of me, you know.
Speaker 2: I would just be kind of I don't know, that's
Speaker 2: just sort of how I roll, and uh yeah, just
Speaker 2: really on the fence about it. It's just in terms
Speaker 2: of the impression that it gives everyone else that's the thing.
Speaker 2: When you're dealing if it's not like a purely personal situation,
Speaker 2: do what you need to do. But Carl is in
Speaker 2: this weird place where the opinions of the public really
Speaker 2: matter to his overall reputation and well being, and thus
Speaker 2: it's not like he can just go who cares what
Speaker 2: people think? He cares? He has to care what people
Speaker 2: think his like, A lot of his sponsorship and the
Speaker 2: support that he gets is based on whether or not
Speaker 2: folks like him or at the very least believe in
Speaker 2: him as like a player to be reckoned with. So
Speaker 2: the image of using her this way is something that
Speaker 2: needs to be considered. I would hope that people would understand,
Speaker 2: and I think that considering the way we've heard the
Speaker 2: public talk talked about they do. I think that a
Speaker 2: lot of people would get why he's doing this and
Speaker 2: they would call this a smart move also, but not everybody.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know, not everybody. So ah, just an
Speaker 2: interesting question, Michael says, Miriam don Dom and Prepotente honestly
Speaker 2: sound like the most effective team out there until they
Speaker 2: got screwed by the vampire thing. I wish we got
Speaker 2: more of Miriam Dom. She wanted Carl to kill her,
Speaker 2: so she definitely would have been cool with him marking her, right, Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that because she was already marked by Prepotente,
Speaker 2: that there wasn't some kind of like rebound effect due
Speaker 2: to that. I was sort of thinking that maybe when
Speaker 2: Carl went to mark her, it would give him a
Speaker 2: kind of notification and he would be like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: you know, that is apparently not a problem. So you
Speaker 2: know that's interesting. But yeah, I just I this whole
Speaker 2: situation with the two of them is just so sad
Speaker 2: guys like.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: I think that you're right, Michael, first of all, about
Speaker 2: the fact that I would like more of them. I
Speaker 2: kept being surprised at how virulently repelled by them Carl
Speaker 2: seemed to be every time we like encountered them in
Speaker 2: the wild. I was sort of expecting it to be
Speaker 2: a little bit more friendly, and it's not like they
Speaker 2: were ever enemies really, but Carl was always sort of
Speaker 2: I want to get the fuck away from these people
Speaker 2: as soon as I can, you know. I was sort
Speaker 2: of like really enjoying their weird dynamic. It was almost,
Speaker 2: what if we took Carl and Donuts relationship and dialed
Speaker 2: it up to like an unhealthy sort of codependent level,
Speaker 2: which I think is a very interesting concept. But uh yeah, personally,
Speaker 2: I'm just disappointed that, like we didn't actually get to
Speaker 2: see their skills set at work, because it seemed like
Speaker 2: it could have been really interesting to watch. But yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna back up again here now and start
Speaker 2: from the beginning. But I decided to launch right into
Speaker 2: my question about this because it's, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: the key stone event in this group of chapters. So
Speaker 2: we start with forty six, where Donut has had to
Speaker 2: collect a bunch of blood from Mango in order to
Speaker 2: make this charm animal potion, and it was very interesting
Speaker 2: to me where I like, I just understand on one hand,
Speaker 2: where Donah is coming from with feeling really guilty about
Speaker 2: having to drain blood from him and heal him and
Speaker 2: do this over and over, and also agreeing with her
Speaker 2: at the fact that a leader is a lot. She
Speaker 2: is not wrong, a leader is a lot. So he
Speaker 2: says something like she said for the hundredth time, and
Speaker 2: I was like, because she's right, Carl, because it's a lot.
Speaker 2: Stop it, you know, like shut up. On the other hand,
Speaker 2: what they are going to use this for is so
Speaker 2: useful that and it turns out to be so effective
Speaker 2: also that I was sort of like, all right, it's
Speaker 2: time to just like suck it up, Dona and understand
Speaker 2: that this is like crucial and you're lucky to have
Speaker 2: access to his blood at all so that you can
Speaker 2: do this. You know, God knows what they would have
Speaker 2: done if it had been a different animal that they
Speaker 2: wound up with and not a mongoliensis, which happens to
Speaker 2: be exactly what they needed. So they are going to
Speaker 2: make this potion, and Miriam is contacting Carl and being like, hey, ah,
Speaker 2: I know I keep asking, but like, are you coming
Speaker 2: seriously are you? Because I'm like, I'm sorry to forget
Speaker 2: a little bit. And they're having trouble locating her, and
Speaker 2: she is sending up sparks to like try and give
Speaker 2: them a direction, and they are so far away that
Speaker 2: even when she does that, they can't see her. And
Speaker 2: finally they start they get to a point where they're like,
Speaker 2: oh wait, I think I see and then they get
Speaker 2: attacked and it is the minion of a character who
Speaker 2: had been an elite that was killed by Miriam and prepotente.
Speaker 2: Viscount Fog was his name, and you know, the whole
Speaker 2: vibe of him is basically Van Helsing. He is a
Speaker 2: vampire hunter. He apparently got word of the existence of
Speaker 2: miriam Dom and as soon as he knew that she
Speaker 2: was out there, was like, bet I'm going to ruin
Speaker 2: her entire day and made it a mission to go
Speaker 2: after her specifically. It sucks, you know, like it just
Speaker 2: it really does. It sucks. And so I guess that
Speaker 2: like the people who you know made this elite, they
Speaker 2: just they had it out for Miriam just on principle
Speaker 2: of it being a good thing for their personal story
Speaker 2: that they were writing, which I know that this is
Speaker 2: something that is sort of an accepted thing that there
Speaker 2: are going to be like ways in which these elite
Speaker 2: stories sort of bleed over into what's going on with
Speaker 2: the Crawl. I don't think I realized that they could
Speaker 2: target a crawler in this way. It's it feels like
Speaker 2: it shouldn't be allowed that he like zero win on
Speaker 2: somebody like this, because that's programmed in. This is not
Speaker 2: an accidental thing that's happening. They are making him as
Speaker 2: a character find out about her, be interested in her,
Speaker 2: and zero win on her. So it's just a sort
Speaker 2: of crossing of a line that I just didn't think
Speaker 2: we were going to be okay with. And I wonder
Speaker 2: what it was like for the people who decided on
Speaker 2: this as a story to turn around and have that
Speaker 2: main character then be murdered by her, because I would
Speaker 2: be so pissed. I would have thought I had stumbled
Speaker 2: across this really great storyline and then she does this
Speaker 2: and like completely takes out my main character. Oh that sucks.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love it. I am so delighted on
Speaker 2: her behalf that she managed to pull this off like
Speaker 2: bad ass. But I'm just imagining as a writer that
Speaker 2: I would probably be pretty fucking irritated. And that's what
Speaker 2: makes me love it most of all, because they decided
Speaker 2: that they were going to zero in on her like that,
Speaker 2: and then they got what they got. Life comes at
Speaker 2: you fast, you know, like fuck you sorry. Michael says, uh,
Speaker 2: Miriam dun was a weird goat lady to him. Carl
Speaker 2: of course, is the crazy cat guy to everyone else.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because, like, you know, she was the
Speaker 2: weird goat lady on more levels though, because she has
Speaker 2: like how many more eight in her inventory. She's got
Speaker 2: a lot, so you know, he's got the one cat.
Speaker 2: It's not quite on equal footing there, But I also
Speaker 2: am just like but yeah, you know, uh, and then
Speaker 2: just want to say that do not getting the fireball
Speaker 2: spell might have been a mistake. Little things like collateral
Speaker 2: damage don't seem to matter much to her. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: tells her that she should use magic missile and not
Speaker 2: fireball at a certain point. And the theme in these
Speaker 2: chapters especially this is a thing that happens throughout all
Speaker 2: of the series, but in these chapters especially, we have
Speaker 2: him on the sidelines being like, do not wait, don't
Speaker 2: and then her going ahead and doing the thing while
Speaker 2: he is mid sentenced trying to stop her. And this
Speaker 2: is one where he had just started to say don't
Speaker 2: use fire fireball in here, and she's just like what
Speaker 2: use fireball? You know, like, oh my god, I was
Speaker 2: ready to kill her, but uh yeah. So she burns
Speaker 2: down like the entire neighborhood, but she does get to
Speaker 2: be mayor of it after it's burned down. So so
Speaker 2: anyway they have to deal with the neighborhood boss Sierra
Speaker 2: Northropy vampire, and she had been Vicount Fogg's Mount, and
Speaker 2: now she has turned into a vampire, and you know,
Speaker 2: one of the things that she and her master hated
Speaker 2: the most, now she has become one and they take
Speaker 2: her out. It's actually not as much of a fight
Speaker 2: as I was expecting it to be, not to say
Speaker 2: that it's nothing, but it is over faster than I
Speaker 2: was expecting, which personally I was okay with. I don't
Speaker 2: know how y'all feel about it, but you know, I
Speaker 2: am oftentimes more interested in the interactions of characters than
Speaker 2: I am about the you know, action packed combat aspect
Speaker 2: of things. So if we cut this a little shorter
Speaker 2: so that we can go have more time with miriam
Speaker 2: Dom and interacting with her, that is one hundred percent
Speaker 2: trade off that I would prefer to make, you know.
Speaker 2: So let's see. I forgot the part where he like
Speaker 2: literally he basically punches it in the gut and then
Speaker 2: like yanks a hole in its belly, and there comes
Speaker 2: a point where it's like falling, but it gets suspended
Speaker 2: and stops, but its guts keep going super gross. And
Speaker 2: he has to stop Mango from eating her entrails because
Speaker 2: then he would get infected himself, which would be very,
Speaker 2: very inconvenient. As Dona so understatedly puts it, She's not wrong.
Speaker 2: So they get to Miriam and it's just a really
Speaker 2: strange scene. And I love the way that this all
Speaker 2: is structured, because what he has done by giving us
Speaker 2: these protections against vamporism is made us as readers a
Speaker 2: little bit paranoid about Miriam dom and whether she is
Speaker 2: trustworthy or not. And eventually it turns out she is.
Speaker 2: She is not the person that they were giving them
Speaker 2: protection against.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: It increases the tension in the scene in a way
Speaker 2: that I wouldn't have expected be possible. It's just the
Speaker 2: sort of thing where it's a perfect balance of like,
Speaker 2: I don't know her or well enough to say with
Speaker 2: total certain she would never hurt them, and I don't
Speaker 2: know the situation that they're in at all, so it
Speaker 2: could be that she would ordinarily never hurt them, but
Speaker 2: circumstances put her in a position where it had to,
Speaker 2: you know. And so it just gave a sort of
Speaker 2: flavor to this whole scene where if Carl had been
Speaker 2: this paranoid anyway, I wouldn't have been like annoyed with
Speaker 2: him exactly, but I think I would have been a
Speaker 2: little bit impatient, and instead I was fully on board.
Speaker 2: Every single time he stopped donut took a moment sort
Speaker 2: of like stepped back and looked at the situation. I
Speaker 2: was mentally urging him to do that already, and I
Speaker 2: was very relieved that it seemed he was listening to
Speaker 2: my mental advice. I'm a real person to a fictional
Speaker 2: character who is likely communicating with them, so so yeah,
Speaker 2: I just really was like watching this whole thing unfold,
Speaker 2: feeling like oh god, oh God, oh God, because it's
Speaker 2: one of those situations where it's not just that I
Speaker 2: don't want Miriam to hurt them. I don't want Miriam
Speaker 2: to be the person who hurts them. Does that make sense,
Speaker 2: Where it's like it's a whole separate issue of them
Speaker 2: actually getting hurt. It's more about the principle of not
Speaker 2: wanting to believe that she would do that, or for
Speaker 2: her to betray them or whatever. So the tension was
Speaker 2: also just coming from that and being like, I just
Speaker 2: don't want this to be their final interaction, because it
Speaker 2: very much felt like this was final interaction territory. I
Speaker 2: did not believe both of them were making it out
Speaker 2: of this it felt, especially once he mentions that the
Speaker 2: view counts are going way up and spiking in the
Speaker 2: way they are. I'm definitely at that point going like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, okay, okay, you know, and I was genuinely
Speaker 2: worried at this point, I really was. I just didn't
Speaker 2: know about what. So we find out what happened is
Speaker 2: she and Prepotente were going up against this Viscount Fog,
Speaker 2: and Prepotente has this like particular ability, and he has
Speaker 2: a ring that has a opposite day effect and it
Speaker 2: causes the effect of a spell to bounce back upon
Speaker 2: the caster. What they didn't realize was that Viscount Fog
Speaker 2: had the same ability, and not only did he have it,
Speaker 2: he had more than one as well. And every time
Speaker 2: it hits, evidently it makes you more delicate and vulnerable
Speaker 2: to damage. So this thing like bounced back and forth
Speaker 2: between the two of them, and then it resulted in
Speaker 2: Repotente becoming so damaged that he was basically like what
Speaker 2: I kept imagining here was like a sand castle where
Speaker 2: from afar it's looking quite solid, and yet if you
Speaker 2: touch it just the right way, it'll all begin to
Speaker 2: crumble and just dissolve away. He is just really, really vulnerable,
Speaker 2: and by count Fog is dead, we do not have
Speaker 2: to worry about him. But yeah, it's it's a she
Speaker 2: is in a position where if she moves, she will
Speaker 2: hurt him, and he is she believes, and we find
Speaker 2: out later that this is correct. He is conscious enough
Speaker 2: to know what is happening and to be able to
Speaker 2: process the decisions that she is making, which results in
Speaker 2: him not holding it against Carl the way I was
Speaker 2: worried he would. I didn't know, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like there was a moment where I was sort of going,
Speaker 2: I really hope we don't have to sit here and
Speaker 2: watch him blaming them. It wouldn't have been necessarily, like
Speaker 2: totally out of character. I like, there are all kinds
Speaker 2: of ways that you could make that work, But to
Speaker 2: a point, I feel like it could have been really boring,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad that we're not going there. And it
Speaker 2: seems like he, by the end of this has come
Speaker 2: to the same conclusion that Carl has, which we will
Speaker 2: get to.
Speaker 1: So she.
Speaker 2: Is marked by by accident, by a ring of divine
Speaker 2: suffering that Prepatente has, which Carl did not realize. Like
Speaker 2: Prepotente even had, which I guess Prepotentie is not really
Speaker 2: like advertising it to people, which is probably smart. But
Speaker 2: this is one of those things, guys.
Speaker 1: Where.
Speaker 2: I just want very much for Carl to see this
Speaker 2: as like the cautionary tale that it is, and it
Speaker 2: does not seem like it registers at all. Are E,
Speaker 2: this could happen to me and Donut or one of
Speaker 2: my party somehow. This it is so very likely. Granted
Speaker 2: we don't have like opposite day abilities that we know of,
Speaker 2: but there are other ways that spells can rebound and
Speaker 2: go totally haywire. I just Carl, he is taking such
Speaker 2: a risk using this and is simply unwilling to engage
Speaker 2: at all with that fact. He just doesn't want to
Speaker 2: see it, and I understand, I really get that attitude,
Speaker 2: but this scene is so heartbreaking, and it is so
Speaker 2: similar in terms of the relationship between her and Prepotente
Speaker 2: as him and Donut. The fact that he isn't seeing
Speaker 2: this makes me want to fucking kill him. I really
Speaker 2: want to rip his arms off of him and smack
Speaker 2: him in the face with his own hands, like how
Speaker 2: are you this fucking dense? And the way that he
Speaker 2: is this fucking dense is he doesn't want to know,
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to think about it. It's like, literally
Speaker 2: that simple. He just rather not. That's it. It's just
Speaker 2: that's it. And fucking weak bro weak sauce like, I
Speaker 2: honestly disgusted, just disgusted, I tell you what. So what
Speaker 2: she wants. It turns out she has been made head vampire. Basically,
Speaker 2: they're in this situation where because she remained a vampire
Speaker 2: going into the next floor, she was granted a title
Speaker 2: queen of Hell. And this means that she is like
Speaker 2: the progenitor of all of the vampires on this floor,
Speaker 2: and if something happens to her, everybody who is infected
Speaker 2: will be cured. They will no longer be vampires if
Speaker 2: she's taken out. And now that she has begun to
Speaker 2: hear how much the vampirism has gone rampant, she really feels,
Speaker 2: quite correctly in my opinion, that her death is worth
Speaker 2: it to take everybody else out of danger of this.
Speaker 2: She's just like, yeah, no, we don't need to continue
Speaker 2: down this road because it's only going to get worse.
Speaker 2: More and more people are going to get infected. It's
Speaker 2: going to just begin to spin wildly out of control
Speaker 2: until everybody's a vampire. I am stopping this ride here,
Speaker 2: and I just, you know, I admire that. I don't
Speaker 2: know that she'd necessarily kill herself were she not already
Speaker 2: in the position to die like this, you know. So
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to say that it's like this totally
Speaker 2: self act, but it is in a way. She's like
Speaker 2: kind of finding the silver lining where I'm going to die,
Speaker 2: and like or more accurately, the only way to save
Speaker 2: Prepotente is with my death. I know he doesn't want
Speaker 2: me to die, and he would try and prevent me,
Speaker 2: but my death will result in such a net good
Speaker 2: and if I don't die, he won't get the d
Speaker 2: buff taken off him that causes him it's left to fester,
Speaker 2: that causes him to be unable to take like a
Speaker 2: health potion. So in total, the advantages to my death
Speaker 2: outweigh the advantages to me finding a way to survive. Again,
Speaker 2: extremely practical and to a degree, you've got to be.
Speaker 2: So what she wants is for Carl to kill her,
Speaker 2: and Carl is straight up like, look, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to do that. However, I don't disagree with your overall reasoning.
Speaker 2: So I will sit with you as the sun comes
Speaker 2: up and be with you until you die. I will
Speaker 2: sit here and keep you company in your last moments
Speaker 2: so that you don't have to be alone. But I'm
Speaker 2: absolutely not going to take it upon myself to like
Speaker 2: end your life, which I think is fair, you know,
Speaker 2: I think that's a reasonable balance. And he feels like
Speaker 2: she knows who he is enough that she probably predicted
Speaker 2: that this is how he would behave and it's why
Speaker 2: she got in touch with him, because she knew that
Speaker 2: he was, you know, going to be that he was
Speaker 2: going to have integrity about it. And she wants him
Speaker 2: to protect Prepatente, which, like my understanding of her wanting
Speaker 2: him to do that was that she's expecting them to
Speaker 2: take Prepatente into their party, and I thought it was
Speaker 2: surprising later when Donna asks him, like, is he going
Speaker 2: to stay with us? And Carl immediately his reaction is
Speaker 2: like fuck no. I was sort of like, oh, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think he should take Prepotente, but I
Speaker 2: had thought that was sort of the understanding, And it
Speaker 2: winds up being a bit of a moot point because Prepatente,
Speaker 2: it seems, is very very much like not interested in
Speaker 2: being part of their crew himself. It seems like he
Speaker 2: is once all is said and done, he's like on
Speaker 2: the war path and I'm going to go fuck some
Speaker 2: people's days right up, so stay out of my way
Speaker 2: while I go take care of that. And there's not
Speaker 2: even a moment of him inquiring about being part of
Speaker 2: their party or you know, wanting that. It's just fully
Speaker 2: I'm on my own now. And I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, it would probably be difficult even if you
Speaker 2: know rationally that certain people are not like responsible for
Speaker 2: her death, it might be difficult to like really be
Speaker 2: okay being around them all the time. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but uh, suffice to say, once she
Speaker 2: is dead, she they just allow the sun to come
Speaker 2: up on her. Prepotente is released from this thing. And
Speaker 2: because she gave the spell to like wake him up
Speaker 2: to Donut, she had a cool ability where she could
Speaker 2: unlearn a spell and make it into a spell book
Speaker 2: and then give the spell book to somebody else so
Speaker 2: that they had the spell, which I think is really
Speaker 2: really neat. But uh, that is what Donut does to
Speaker 2: bring him back out of this like state of being
Speaker 2: frozen and Prepotente is so devastated, and it just like
Speaker 2: he is in such a state of grief that it's
Speaker 2: simply he has checked out. By the time we move
Speaker 2: on to other parts of what's going on. There's he
Speaker 2: just feels like I have a death wish now because
Speaker 2: I know what this was. So let's talk about that,
Speaker 2: because it's it's an interesting question. But there's been this
Speaker 2: whole thing with how the Plenty were very invested in
Speaker 2: Prepotente because of him. He is not really the same race,
Speaker 2: but it's like he's kind of close and so they
Speaker 2: feel like invested in him somehow, and what he and
Speaker 2: Carl seem to agree on, even though they don't say
Speaker 2: it out loud because he can't really show his hand
Speaker 2: that he's aware of this, but essentially it seems that
Speaker 2: the Plenty likely were somehow responsible for Miriam getting taken
Speaker 2: out because they wanted Prepatente to be on his own.
Speaker 2: So these people that he had been like going on
Speaker 2: their weird talk show and stuff and like feeling like, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: there's some there's a race out there that I relate
Speaker 2: to that under stands they are not on his side
Speaker 2: in any of the senses that he maybe thought they were.
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure to what extent he really believed
Speaker 2: that or hoped that, But all this to say that
Speaker 2: it was not. He is not considering it an accidental,
Speaker 2: unfortunate event that she is now dead. He is very
Speaker 2: much seeing this as like they wanted this end result.
Speaker 2: This is where we were heading, and it is a
Speaker 2: really grim place to be in terms of like believing
Speaker 2: that you are all alone because she has been taken
Speaker 2: from you, she has died, but also believing that you
Speaker 2: are all alone because the people that you thought were
Speaker 2: maybe supporting you weren't in the way that you expected.
Speaker 2: They do not care about your emotional wellbeing, your relationships,
Speaker 2: your mental health. They care only about you as like
Speaker 2: a representative on their behalf, and thus you're a tool.
Speaker 2: You're not a full person to them. So the way
Speaker 2: that he sort of goes off into the sunset to
Speaker 2: be like I am going to go handle absolutely everybody
Speaker 2: who is remotely related to her death. There's a real
Speaker 2: sense from that of like, and I'm not coming out again,
Speaker 2: you know, Carl. He says something to Carl about like
Speaker 2: or die in the attempt, and he says this as
Speaker 2: if I think one of the things that he says
Speaker 2: is he's telling Carl, this is like I don't expect
Speaker 2: you to understand, and then he says that, and Carl
Speaker 2: is like, why would you think I wouldn't understand that?
Speaker 2: Just of course I do. Like this is kind of
Speaker 2: also my whole thing, you know. So I'm really curious
Speaker 2: if we're going to get any more of prepotente or
Speaker 2: if we're going to just hear about what's going on
Speaker 2: with him as he goes on this like death wish
Speaker 2: sort of journey. Part of me like wants to actually
Speaker 2: see it and get to kind of feel like I'm
Speaker 2: partaking of his victory and revenge. Another part of me
Speaker 2: is like, there is no way that's going to actually
Speaker 2: be satisfying. It's probably for the best if I don't
Speaker 2: see it, you know. So, I don't know. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: very sad for him though, Like this was his mom basically,
Speaker 2: and he the betrayal of these people sort of turning
Speaker 2: on him, Like this has to really hurt if he
Speaker 2: was seeing them the way that I'm I'm saying he did.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm even right about that. You know,
Speaker 2: I may be really really off base, but I just
Speaker 2: keep thinking about being a creature that's like not really
Speaker 2: present otherwise in the dungeon at all. A sentient goat,
Speaker 2: like the only other one is also in your party,
Speaker 2: so you're and you're not really even the same species
Speaker 2: as that one. So it's you're gonna feel quite alone.
Speaker 2: And then you meet some of these other goat beings
Speaker 2: and you maybe start to think, hey, look, you know,
Speaker 2: like here's another one. Cool. I just can't help but
Speaker 2: believe that you would start to feel like you had
Speaker 2: allies somehow. So that's the part I keep getting hung
Speaker 2: up on. Sorry, I'm seeing all of this chatter and
Speaker 2: I totally missed it. Sorry, Michael. My guest, given Carl's suspicion,
Speaker 2: is that the Plenty paid the showrunners to get them
Speaker 2: to have the Hunter go after Miriam dont Probably you
Speaker 2: have more faith than me and prepotente, his line of
Speaker 2: nobody even remotely responsible for her death can exist in
Speaker 2: this world either makes me think Carlin Donut might be
Speaker 2: on his list, just much farther down than the more
Speaker 2: overtly responsible people. I also think that he is including
Speaker 2: himself in that list. That's fair, and it did occur
Speaker 2: to me, but I have this feeling that even if
Speaker 2: that's true, he is going to be dead long before
Speaker 2: he can be a threat to them, which might not
Speaker 2: be true. But it's like, I'm very much sitting here
Speaker 2: not worried, you know what I'm saying. I have sung
Speaker 2: Jeff Hayes' praises plenty already, but I wanted to do
Speaker 2: it again and praise him for really selling the emotion.
Speaker 2: For miriam Dom agreed. I think she just wanted Carl
Speaker 2: and Donut to literally protect pre Pretentie while he was
Speaker 2: still frozen. She knows Pony can take care of himself,
Speaker 2: especially with Bianca. Pretty much any other crawler probably would
Speaker 2: have just killed Pony after miriam Dom died. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess that's true, God, because they are both worth quite
Speaker 2: a bit of bounty, Carl points out, and he also
Speaker 2: is like, probably there are a lot of folks watching
Speaker 2: who think I'm an idiot for not just killing her
Speaker 2: since she's gonna die anyway. They don't understand like the
Speaker 2: principle of it that is driving him here, you know,
Speaker 2: as well as like killing Prepotente, Like both of them
Speaker 2: are worth a lot, but you know, they just don't
Speaker 2: get They don't get Carl if they think that he
Speaker 2: should do that, they don't. You're not You're not feeling
Speaker 2: what he's putting down. So I really this just this
Speaker 2: whole scene, it was genuinely sad. She's explaining to Carl
Speaker 2: too before she dies, about like how she had had
Speaker 2: this career and that she didn't want to go home
Speaker 2: and work on the farm. She didn't want to do
Speaker 2: any of this, but she felt like she owed it
Speaker 2: to her parents, and that gradually there was like a
Speaker 2: point where she turned a corner and began to like
Speaker 2: the work and cared about the animals. And that is
Speaker 2: such a real thing. You know. A lot of stories
Speaker 2: the way that they are told, it's somebody goes into
Speaker 2: something resenting a thing, and then they that resentment festers
Speaker 2: and it becomes even more bitter and pronounced, and they
Speaker 2: get to a point where they're like holding so much rage,
Speaker 2: you know, But that's not always how it works. Sometimes
Speaker 2: the resentment like begins to soften and you begin to
Speaker 2: understand a little bit.
Speaker 1: More, and.
Speaker 2: Your priorities also just change as you age, and things
Speaker 2: that felt really important and urgent when you were younger
Speaker 2: fall by the wayside, and things that didn't used to
Speaker 2: matter to you become crucial because now you just are
Speaker 2: looking at everything from a very different place. So I
Speaker 2: really was kind of touched by that as the journey
Speaker 2: that she went on in terms of going into it
Speaker 2: kind of unwillingly and then eventually it being everything to her,
Speaker 2: you know, or like just her life revolved around it
Speaker 2: and the way that she bonded with these animals. So
Speaker 2: so anyway, at this point we kind of get interrupted.
Speaker 2: As Pony is grieving, we have the uh, the approach
Speaker 2: of all of the lady mangos as we often call them,
Speaker 2: and Donu has to deliver this charm animal potion, which
Speaker 2: does work. She manages to do it, and I really appreciate,
Speaker 2: Like when Carl says, hey, great job, you did it,
Speaker 2: She's like, of course I did it. Shut up, Like
Speaker 2: she's just every time that he has any tone of
Speaker 2: surprise to his voice, Dona is immediately like, you don't
Speaker 2: have to sound like that about it, you know that right,
Speaker 2: Like I can hear the incredulity in your voice. Please don't.
Speaker 2: I do think that's kind of funny because that's a
Speaker 2: fair criticism. But yeah, so she uses this. It works. However,
Speaker 2: what she wants is for is to have this rule
Speaker 2: now that key we can't fuck Mango again, and she
Speaker 2: makes that rule number one, and this other female she
Speaker 2: tries to get Mango to fuck her, and Kiwi jumps
Speaker 2: in and stops that one, and Donut reacts to this
Speaker 2: as if this is Kiwi sticking to the rules, which
Speaker 2: is just she's not seeing like this is territoriality. So
Speaker 2: then the next thing, of course that Kiwi does after
Speaker 2: stopping that one is she jumps Mango herself and begins
Speaker 2: to fuck Mango, and Donut is just so horrified and
Speaker 2: it's just like, wait, wait, no, bad stop it. Oh Donut,
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't stop nature. You can't stand in
Speaker 2: nature's way.
Speaker 1: Baby.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a runaway train. You don't get to
Speaker 2: stop it. I did find this very funny though, she's
Speaker 2: just so certain for a second there that it's Kiwi
Speaker 2: and her being on the same page that I was
Speaker 2: almost sad for her at the way that she's just
Speaker 2: like completely under this misapprehension. So there's also a moment
Speaker 2: where she has she being Miriam Dom she has unloaded
Speaker 2: all of her inventory because she is assuming that when
Speaker 2: she dies, she's going to dissolve because she's a vampire
Speaker 2: and so it will not be possible to loot her body,
Speaker 2: which it turns out she's right about. And she begins
Speaker 2: just like emptying her inventory onto the ground around her,
Speaker 2: and they promise her that she's going to get that
Speaker 2: they will give Prepotente all of the stuff. But Carl
Speaker 2: does sneak a couple of potions for himself, thinking that
Speaker 2: nobody sees him, and it turns out that Prepotente does
Speaker 2: see him, and so later when he's saying to Carl, like,
Speaker 2: let's see here it is. Do you have any fine
Speaker 2: healing potions? I only have two. I had about fifty
Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, a few. Do you need one? How's
Speaker 2: your stomach? Give them to me. I need at least
Speaker 2: five more. I have all the other required ingredients. Give
Speaker 2: them to you. Consider it payment for the size of
Speaker 2: potions you stole from my mother. Ouch. And he says,
Speaker 2: tell me what's on the paper, and I will. And
Speaker 2: he says it's a potion recipe for a herbicide fine
Speaker 2: healing mixed with blessed water and a weed killer. But
Speaker 2: it will only work if it's applied using my new
Speaker 2: magical canister. It has to be turned to a very
Speaker 2: fine mist. So he gives them and he sends a
Speaker 2: note to Mordecai as well and is like, I might
Speaker 2: be able to find a way to turn this into
Speaker 2: a bomb or something, which later on Carl does do,
Speaker 2: but it's like via the recipe from his cookbook, and
Speaker 2: he has to find a way to cover for it,
Speaker 2: and basically the best he can do is I'm just
Speaker 2: really good at this, which is like not enough, sir
Speaker 2: at all, not even like a little bit. There was
Speaker 2: just something about how like sloppy he's getting with it,
Speaker 2: especially after having been accused of cheating, Like I don't
Speaker 2: really think there's anything that he can do about it.
Speaker 2: He's got to do what he has to do, and
Speaker 2: he can only really worry so much about everybody else's reaction.
Speaker 2: So I don't think i'd have done anything differently, But
Speaker 2: I will say that I found it very funny how
Speaker 2: cavalier he is getting about it, because to a degree,
Speaker 2: I don't really know how they could prove he's cheating.
Speaker 2: Even at this point, even Mordecai is beginning to get
Speaker 2: suspicious and be kind of like, wait a minute, how
Speaker 2: did you do that that fast? You were only in
Speaker 2: there for like five minutes and you figured this out.
Speaker 2: So it's not just his enemies being haters looking for
Speaker 2: how this is possible. Mordecai himself is out here being like,
Speaker 2: hold up, this isn't this doesn't make any sense. I
Speaker 2: don't know how much more he can keep this up,
Speaker 2: you know, Like I'm really a little worried if there
Speaker 2: is a way. The only thing I can imagine is
Speaker 2: if somebody kills him and loots his corpse. There's probably
Speaker 2: other ways to force somebody to drop everything in their inventory,
Speaker 2: but I don't know what that would be, And I
Speaker 2: really i'm not sure, like if they did force him,
Speaker 2: would the book even come out or does it have
Speaker 2: protection against that happening, Because it's possible it does, I don't,
Speaker 2: you know, it's got other things that sort of circumvent
Speaker 2: the system that would ordinarily make it show up, So
Speaker 2: I don't really know if it would happen that way,
Speaker 2: but anyhow, just something I'm curious about. So this is
Speaker 2: when we get the the announcement of the like huge
Speaker 2: mission that everybody is getting. I'm trying to find the
Speaker 2: exact description from the AI about it, but here it
Speaker 2: is the creeping Apocalypse. This is a world quest. All
Speaker 2: crawlers and all hunters currently active on the sixth floor
Speaker 2: will receive this quest. You may not opt out. And
Speaker 2: the AI calls out Karl for using the Ring of
Speaker 2: Divine suffering while Miriam dies and makes it sound like
Speaker 2: him and Doughnut just you know, coldheartedly stood by and
Speaker 2: let her die. And then it says some of the
Speaker 2: forest monsters infected with vamporism have spent the past few
Speaker 2: nights on a killing spree. Another vampire are now cursed.
Speaker 2: Alisaurus by the name of Big Tina, unfortunately, has expended
Speaker 2: a lot of effort on building an army of undead
Speaker 2: monstrosities using the leftovers. These newly created monsters are not vampires,
Speaker 2: and they were not cured when Miriam died. These mindless
Speaker 2: freaks were left all alone, not under control from any entity.
Speaker 2: Some are nothing more than many grinders also known as shrillings,
Speaker 2: also known as shambling perserkers. We've seen these before on
Speaker 2: some of the train station. They can get pretty big
Speaker 2: and annoying, but not something you need to worry about anyway.
Speaker 2: Some of the other have become something else and short
Speaker 2: of a god, they are the most powerful monsters who
Speaker 2: have ever set foot on a sixth floor in dungeon
Speaker 2: crawler world history. I like to call them odious creepers.
Speaker 2: They tend to be slow during the day when it's dark.
Speaker 2: They gave the ability to combine with both shamblers and
Speaker 2: other creepers and get even stronger, and they can get
Speaker 2: fast very fast. They can replicate themselves too, if they
Speaker 2: have the parts. There are currently fifty in the forest,
Speaker 2: plus another few thousand shambling berserkers of various sizes. For fun,
Speaker 2: we have randomized their location, and for extra fun, we
Speaker 2: have marked the location of each creeper on the map.
Speaker 2: For you wall kill all the odious creepers before the
Speaker 2: sun sets. For every you kill, you will receive plus
Speaker 2: five to random stat for every five plus five additional levels.
Speaker 2: That's insane. That's insane. The crawler or hunter who kills
Speaker 2: the most will get an additional prize. Only the person
Speaker 2: who does the most damage gets credit for the kill.
Speaker 2: If you don't kill all of them before the sun sets,
Speaker 2: bad stuff will happen, and I mean every single one,
Speaker 2: and by bad stuff I mean something completely badshit, and
Speaker 2: not just to the crawlers, but the hunters too, So
Speaker 2: all of you cowards sitting on your ass and Zacha
Speaker 2: need to get to work. So Mordecai gets in touch
Speaker 2: and he is like, I think I know what these
Speaker 2: are going to be, and they are going to be
Speaker 2: so deadly. I don't even have words to express how
Speaker 2: dangerous and how much you need to not be involved
Speaker 2: in any of this. You have got to get out
Speaker 2: of there, and they will be able to like not
Speaker 2: only rip people apart, but in doing that use their
Speaker 2: body parts that they have just ripped off to make
Speaker 2: themselves even stronger. They come up out of the ground,
Speaker 2: they have like ranged weapons, They can wrap you up
Speaker 2: in vines, they can shoot darts, like you know all
Speaker 2: of this, and Carl's starting to be like, we can't
Speaker 2: let everybody else do it, and he's like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if anything I have will work on them. And
Speaker 2: things this big usually require a full application, So we're
Speaker 2: talking in aerosol delivery is going to be a problem
Speaker 2: with only half a day. They want you to kill
Speaker 2: these things the old fashioned way, and the prize is
Speaker 2: a little too good, which means it's too dangerous. And
Speaker 2: then Kotsha chimes in and she says I think some
Speaker 2: of these are going to be as high as level
Speaker 2: one point fifty and maybe more before they turn into
Speaker 2: the plant things, which is bonkers insane. So uh, they
Speaker 2: wind up like at the safe room putting together a plan,
Speaker 2: but it's sort of the way that they have to
Speaker 2: create an aerosol. This is the thing that like Karl
Speaker 2: winds up having to sort of lie about in terms
Speaker 2: of how he managed to come up with this and
Speaker 2: figure it all out. And also it's like the vibe
Speaker 2: is still I don't know that this is going to work.
Speaker 2: We think it's likely to work, and it turns out
Speaker 2: that Louis has this ability because of him is what
Speaker 2: is the class that he has. It's like exterminator, I think.
Speaker 2: So he has an ability called tent the house, which
Speaker 2: is basically exactly kind of what they need where he
Speaker 2: can create an aerosolized assault within a given area and
Speaker 2: if he's flying on that house, he can hit an
Speaker 2: even bigger area. So like that's ideal, but it's like
Speaker 2: a little too ideal where I am very much sitting
Speaker 2: here like okay, so how is this going to go
Speaker 2: horribly wrong? It has to the you know, ough God,
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to find the moment when they're actually
Speaker 2: at the because I'm jumping back and forth so much
Speaker 2: as I talk about everything that I am having to
Speaker 2: swipe back and forth between chapters on my kindle here,
Speaker 2: Oh right, and I forgot about the fact that prepotente
Speaker 2: he drops the ring of Divine and Suffering on the ground,
Speaker 2: and in that moment, fucking Carl looks at it and
Speaker 2: has a second of like, oh shit, how do I
Speaker 2: get it? And I was like, oh, Carl, Like the
Speaker 2: fact that he's using it at all is just not great.
Speaker 2: The fact that he is considering using two I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: Something terrible has to be like a side effect of
Speaker 2: using two, Right, There's got to be something that, like
Speaker 2: setting aside the kind of cold bloodedness that it inspires
Speaker 2: in you, there's got to be something else. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm giving things too much credit. Maybe it is
Speaker 2: supposed to like be sheer psychological effect. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but it was extra really upsetting to me how quickly
Speaker 2: he like resolved on the fact that he was going
Speaker 2: to take that ring, that he was looking at it
Speaker 2: fully intending. I really got goosebumps over it a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And then what it's almost like Prepotente knows I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he knows it's Carl or if
Speaker 2: it's like just a in general sense of like, well,
Speaker 2: somebody could take it, somebody like this is certainly everything
Speaker 2: that's happened here is going to have been on camera
Speaker 2: with the death of Miriam dom Me. Taking the ring
Speaker 2: off and dropping it here would certainly be perceived by
Speaker 2: somebody and they could come and get it. And so
Speaker 2: how I am going to sidestep that is, I'm going
Speaker 2: to fucking eat it and make it so that nobody
Speaker 2: can take it, which I think is like a very
Speaker 2: reasonable idea. I think it's a smart approach because it's
Speaker 2: not him using it, but it's also not him leaving
Speaker 2: it somewhere for somebody else to get a hold of.
Speaker 2: I do not know whether or not it can be
Speaker 2: looted from his body if he swallows it and is
Speaker 2: killed with it in his stomach, because if it works
Speaker 2: the way I think, I believe that wouldn't be possible
Speaker 2: that they couldn't loot it, which is genius, Like this
Speaker 2: is him low key taking it out of play as
Speaker 2: effectively as he can given the circumstances a very smart
Speaker 2: move if that, If it's what I think, because it
Speaker 2: just feels to me he wouldn't want to keep using
Speaker 2: it it resultsed in Miriam's death, Like the way that
Speaker 2: he would see it inevitably would be like this ring
Speaker 2: is responsible for killing her, and it wouldn't be necessarily
Speaker 2: quite true or fair, but I would be hard pressed
Speaker 2: to make a good argument against it, really, like I
Speaker 2: can't help but kind of agree. So of course he
Speaker 2: doesn't want to keep using it, but you also don't
Speaker 2: want to be responsible for somebody else getting a hold
Speaker 2: of it and going fucking nuts on this floor with it,
Speaker 2: you know. And he saw the way that Carl used
Speaker 2: like stole her the potions when he claimed that Prepotentie
Speaker 2: was going to get all of them. And I am
Speaker 2: assuming Prepotente heard the AI say Carl used his own
Speaker 2: ring of divine suffering when Miriam died. I feel Prepotente
Speaker 2: is aware of how Carl's mind works and is just
Speaker 2: cutting it off at the pass right here and being like,
Speaker 2: you know what, no, you're not getting this. And I
Speaker 2: respect that, and I think it is a really smart choice,
Speaker 2: not just for keeping everybody else away from the ring,
Speaker 2: but also he's kind of doing Carl a favor, even
Speaker 2: if that's not his intention, because Carl like the way
Speaker 2: in which Carl is so susceptible to this rings ability
Speaker 2: its convenience. I don't even really know how to describe it.
Speaker 2: It's extremely worrying from the outside to me, you know,
Speaker 2: like I really hate seeing this, so yeah, I sort
Speaker 2: of love that move. I feel like this is prepotente
Speaker 2: really outthinking Carl in just like a moment of inspiration,
Speaker 2: and I was sort of on the sidelines, like rooting
Speaker 2: for him a bit, you know, just being like because
Speaker 2: as soon as he started to drop it, I instantly
Speaker 2: was like, oh, oh no, what is this gonna be now,
Speaker 2: Like Carl's gonna have two and I'm just so glad
Speaker 2: that's not how it's gonna work out. Let's see. Uh.
Speaker 2: If I recall correctly, this is Michael in the chat. Sorry, guys,
Speaker 2: the book disappears and the owner loses access to it
Speaker 2: entirely if he ever reveals its existence. That one, I know.
Speaker 2: I presume the same would apply if the crawler is
Speaker 2: killed and someone's looting the inventory, or if the book
Speaker 2: is otherwise forcibly removed from his inventory and discovered. So
Speaker 2: you're saying that, like, if somebody forcibly removed his inventory,
Speaker 2: that the book would likely just disappear and he would
Speaker 2: never have access to it. That's like really scary also,
Speaker 2: because it's not just that somebody is forcing you to
Speaker 2: drop all your stuff. If the book weren't simply taken away,
Speaker 2: there is still the hope that per perhaps they won't
Speaker 2: recognize the value of the book and so it's you know,
Speaker 2: out of your inventory. But they're going through your stuff
Speaker 2: and they just see this book and they're like, ugh,
Speaker 2: just a recipe book whatever, and they just chuck it
Speaker 2: aside and you can maybe still get it back. But
Speaker 2: if they shove it out of your inventory and that
Speaker 2: results in it being taken away from you permanently, that
Speaker 2: that's just like a real heartbreaker. I would be so bombed.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's really how it works. But yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: so sorry, guys, I'm getting I'm all over the place
Speaker 2: here a little bit. I love when they go and
Speaker 2: ask Mordecai is his eating the ring going to do anything?
Speaker 2: Is it gonna result in his stomach being turned to lava?
Speaker 2: I think that's what doughnut asks is just specifically like
Speaker 2: will it turn his belly the lava or something? And
Speaker 2: I love Mordechai just being like, I don't fucking know
Speaker 2: everybody is doing such weird shit anymore that I can't
Speaker 2: keep up. I don't know what's happening. And then later
Speaker 2: he's giving advice and he's like, of course, nobody fucking
Speaker 2: listens to me anymore, so whatever, I guess. And I
Speaker 2: just really enjoyed his being like frustrated and throwing his
Speaker 2: hands in the air and just being like having he
Speaker 2: for a while was like the respected sage who knew all.
Speaker 2: And now it's sort of like, well we should probably
Speaker 2: ask Mordecai, but then we should probably just go ahead
Speaker 2: and do whatever the fuck we intended to do anyway.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just found that kind of funny. It's uh,
Speaker 2: I I am enjoying seeing Mordecai run across things that
Speaker 2: he is not familiar with either. There's something kind of
Speaker 2: weirdly satisfying about that. It's just a I feel like
Speaker 2: he had when we start the series. There's a sense
Speaker 2: coming off of him of hopelessness and boredom and this
Speaker 2: routine that he has fallen into that's just like really
Speaker 2: depressing and like SAPs his enjoyment of life. And even
Speaker 2: though it's not like a good reason, I can't help
Speaker 2: but feel like being thrown for a loop over and
Speaker 2: over is at least getting him re engaged in his
Speaker 2: life in a way that I enjoy seeing, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense. So I don't know, maybe I'm overstating it,
Speaker 2: but it just there was there's something about the attitude
Speaker 2: that he had to start off with that It's not
Speaker 2: like he's less cynical now exactly, but it's more that
Speaker 2: he feels like he cares and is invested now in
Speaker 2: a way that it was like he was afraid to
Speaker 2: allow himself to do before. I don't know, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sort of happy for him. But there's also the
Speaker 2: sense of, like, once you let yourself open up again,
Speaker 2: you are it's possible to be very, very hurt again.
Speaker 2: So I do worry about him in regard to all this.
Speaker 2: So as they're like figuring out how they're going to
Speaker 2: handle some of these things, they get messages about when
Speaker 2: an odious creeper has fallen, and there are ten that
Speaker 2: have been taken down and eight went down to crawlers,
Speaker 2: one to a hunter, and out of the eight that
Speaker 2: went to crawlers, three went to Prepotente. So he is
Speaker 2: out there doing the work man, and I'm trying to
Speaker 2: see Uncle Morty's installon Kill an Undead Repellent Extra Strength
Speaker 2: Edition is the name of the potion. Based on what
Speaker 2: Purpotente said and what he received. I took an existing
Speaker 2: read killer designed to take out an odious bloom, and
Speaker 2: added multiple anti undead boosts, similar to the Holy Grenade.
Speaker 2: Each jug has enough to kill two or three of them,
Speaker 2: maybe four if you're conservative. Do not get close. That
Speaker 2: spell of yours has a decent range. Only apply it
Speaker 2: at maximum distance. This stuff is very flammable, despite my
Speaker 2: best efforts, and if you catch it on fire before
Speaker 2: it can get absorbed, it's not going to work. And
Speaker 2: we find out also that like the way that Carl
Speaker 2: has made them made it possible to like shoot canisters
Speaker 2: of it, they no longer count as explosives, which means
Speaker 2: that like the little bonus he gets to chucking them
Speaker 2: is gone, so he has to be a lot more careful.
Speaker 2: And as they're talking about, Eva kills one of the creepers,
Speaker 2: and then there's another one that falls without being mentioned
Speaker 2: who's taken it down? And as Carl had mentioned earlier,
Speaker 2: if nobody is given credit, it's likely that either the
Speaker 2: creeper like took itself out somehow or an NPC killed it.
Speaker 2: So by the time we begin the next chapter for
Speaker 2: next time, there will be thirty eight remaining and they
Speaker 2: only have a few hours before you know, sunset begins
Speaker 2: and then we're going to have a problem, so hoping
Speaker 2: that we can really get some work done before that happens.
Speaker 2: I'm over time, so I've got to wrap up. But
Speaker 2: thank you guys again so much for hanging out with
Speaker 2: me and listening and coming to lives if you do.
Speaker 2: Thank you again Jackie for commissioning this one. Appreciates you
Speaker 2: very very much, And until next time, to lou motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: That was an unspoiled network. Pat